In the Beginning, There Was Abramoff
By FRANK RICH
Published: October 2, 2005
"Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."
- Tom DeLay, March 20, 2005
IF you believed Tom DeLay then, you no doubt believe now that the deposed House majority leader is only on "temporary" leave from his powerful perch in Washington and that he'll soon bounce back, laughing all the way, from a partisan witch hunt that unjustly requires his brief discomfort in a Texas courtroom.
Those who still live in the reality-based community, however, may sense they're watching the beginning of the end of something big. It's not just Mr. DeLay, a k a the Hammer, who is on life support, but a Washington establishment whose infatuation with power and money has contaminated nearly every limb of government and turned off a public that by two to one finds the country on the wrong track.
I'll post it paragraph by paragraph if you want.
Yes please oh please
scout prime |
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""Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."
- Tom DeLay, March 20, 2005"
If DeLay says the sky is blue, you have to check.
Nim |
10.01.05 - 8:36 pm | #
a bit stiff and sore after hanging sheetrock with a fella about half the day...
dude brutally detested the busheviks (thank god...i couldna worked all afternoon with someone whose heart i wanted to tear out...)...
answered my ad in the paper: finishing the inside of a big addition, he wanted to go faster than he could go alone...we're gonna do weekends for a coupla weeks: rock, then tape and finish, prime and paint, about 1200 sqft, on two stories...
he's cool that i only wanna (can, truth told) work 4-5 hrs/day...good dude...old-time, south valley chicano guy, about 40? 45? does cad design for civil engineering projects...politically astute...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka |
10.01.05 - 8:37 pm | #
"Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."
- Tom DeLay, March 20, 2005
Yep, he DEFINITELY used too much of the bug juice without a protective mask.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 8:37 pm | #
Did they ever find a 7 foot burka for Karen "Big Foot" Hughes?
Dartanyon |
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10.01.05 - 8:37 pm | #
chickenbeaver, that just makes you laugh.
hey, why did the chickenbeaver cross the road?
charley |
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Rich (continued):
But don't take my word for it. And don't listen to the canned talking points of the Democrats, who are still so busy trying to explain why they were for the war in Iraq before they were against it that it's hard to trust their logic on anything else. Listen instead to Andrew Ferguson, of the conservative Rupert Murdoch magazine, The Weekly Standard. As far back as last December in a cover article on the sleazy lobbyist Jack Abramoff, Mr. Ferguson was already declaring "the end of the Republican Revolution."
He painted the big picture of the Abramoff ethos in vibrant strokes: the ill-gotten Indian gambling moolah snaking through the bank accounts of a network of DeLay cronies and former aides; the "fact-finding" Congressional golfing trips to further the cause of sweatshop garment factories in the Marianas islands; the bogus "think tank" in Rehoboth Beach, Del., where the two scholars in residence were a yoga instructor and a lifeguard (albeit a "lifeguard of the year"). Certain names kept recurring in Mr. Ferguson's epic narrative, most prominently Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist, Republican money-changers who are as tightly tied to President Bush and Karl Rove as they are to Mr. Abramoff and Mr. DeLay, if not more so.
The bottom line, Mr. Ferguson wrote, was a culture antithetical to everything conservatives had stood for in the Gingrich revolution of 1994. Slaying a corrupt, bloated Democratic establishment was out, gluttony for the G.O.P. and its fat cats was in. Mr. Abramoff and his gang embodied the very enemy the "Contract With America" Congress had supposedly come to Washington to smite: " 'Beltway Bandits,' profiteers who manipulate the power of big government on behalf of well-heeled people who pay them tons of money to do so." Those tons of Republican money were deposited in the favors bank of K Street, where, as The Washington Post reported this year, the number of lobbyists has more than doubled (to some 35,000) since the Bush era began in 2000. Conservatives who once aspired to cut government "down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub" - as a famous Norquist maxim had it - merely outsourced government instead to the highest bidder.
Where the hell are the Whistle Pigs?
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MisterX |
10.01.05 - 8:40 pm | #
Why did the chickenbeaver cross the road?
To avoid Eddie Haskell
busdrivermike |
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10.01.05 - 8:40 pm | #
Eli--less than half an hour to 'Chupacabra, Dark Seas!!!'
Sallyh |
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Did they ever find a 7 foot burka for Karen "Big Foot" Hughes?
Yeah, the fall line of burkas includes the new KaFoot bell-bottomed burka. Guaranteed to cover those huge dogs.
Works up to size sixteen.
Billy B |
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Rich (continued):
Mr. DeLay's latest plight is only a tiny detail within this vast Boschian canvas of depravity. If this were Watergate - and Watergate itself increasingly looks like a relatively contained epidemic of corruption - the Texas grand jury's indictment of the congressman and his associates would be a sideshow tantamount to the initial 1973 California grand jury indictment of the Nixon aide John Ehrlichman and his pals in the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office; Watergate's real legal fireworks were still in the wings. So forget about all those details down in Texas that make your teeth hurt; don't bother to learn the difference between Trmpac and Armpac. Fasten your seat belt instead for the roller coaster of other revelations and possible indictments that's about to roar through the Beltway.
The most important plot development of the past two weeks, in fact, has nothing to do with Mr. DeLay (as far as we know). It was instead the arrest of the administration's top procurement officer, David Safavian, on charges of lying and obstructing the investigation of Mr. Abramoff. And what an investigation it is: The F.B.I., the I.R.S., the Treasury Department and the Interior Department have all been involved. The popular theory of the case has it that Mr. Safavian, a former lobbying colleague of both Mr. Abramoff and Mr. Norquist, is being muscled by the feds to rat on the big guys in Washington - much as another smaller fish may have helped reel in Mr. DeLay in Texas.
The DeLay and Abramoff investigations are not to be confused with the many others percolating in the capital, including, most famously of late, the Justice Department and S.E.C. inquiries into the pious Bill Frist's divine stock-sale windfall and the homeland security inspector general's promised inquiry into possible fraud in the no-bid contracts doled out by FEMA for Hurricane Katrina. The mother of all investigations, of course, remains the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's pursuit of whoever outed the C.I.A. agent Valerie Wilson to Robert Novak and whoever may have lied to cover it up. The denouement is on its way.
"DeLay greeted at a rally last night by several hundred enthusiastic supporters at the Galleria.
Dartanyon | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 8:39 pm | # "
Talk about putting on airs. State Pen. calling its cafeteria a "Galleria" now...?
Nim |
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But whatever the resolution of any of these individual dramas, they will not be the end of the story. Like the continuing revelations of detainee abuse emerging from Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantánamo, this is a crisis in the governing culture, not the tale of a few bad apples. Every time you turn over a rock, you find more vermin. We've only just learned from The Los Angeles Times that Joseph Schmitz, until last month the inspector general in charge of policing waste, fraud and abuse at the Pentagon, is himself the focus of a Congressional inquiry. He is accused of blocking the investigation of another Bush appointee who is suspected of siphoning Iraq reconstruction contracts to business cronies. At the Justice Department, the F.B.I. is looking into why a career prosecutor was demoted after he started probing alleged Abramoff illegality in Guam. According to The Los Angeles Times, the demoted prosecutor was then replaced by a Rove-approved Republican pol who just happened to be a cousin of a major target of another corruption investigation in Guam.
We have to hope that the law will get to the bottom of these cases and start to connect the recurring dots. But while everyone is innocent until proved guilty, the overall pattern stinks and has for a long time. It's so filthy that the Republican caucus couldn't even find someone clean to name as Mr. DeLay's "temporary" stand-in as House majority leader last week. As The Washington Post reported in 2003, Roy Blunt, the Missouri congressman who got the job, was found trying to alter a homeland security bill with a last-minute provision that would have benefited Philip Morris-brand cigarettes. Not only had the tobacco giant contributed royally to Mr. Blunt's various campaign coffers, but both the congressman's girlfriend (now wife) and his son were Philip Morris lobbyists at the time.
This is the culture that has given us the government we have. It's a government that has spent more of the taxpayers' money than any since L.B.J.'s (as calculated by the Cato Institute, a libertarian research institution), even as it rewards its benefactors with tax breaks and corporate pork. It's a government so used to lying that Mr. DeLay could say with a straight face that the cost of Katrina relief could not be offset by budget cuts because there was no governmental fat left to cut. It's the government that fostered the wholesale loss of American lives in both Iraq and on the Gulf Coast by putting cronyism above patriotism.
Did you know that J.A.M. magazine calls the Whistle Pigs "the most versatile band in the Bend"...?
True story.
Nim
You don't say!
What a double bill: The Chickenbeavers and the Whistle Pigs... One Night Only! At the "Bend"!
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MisterX |
10.01.05 - 8:45 pm | #
Flory--all settled in for some bad scifi?
this one's gonna be especial good.
human devouring monster on a cruise ship.
the cast devourage ratio will be sky hi, methinks
flory, Business Manager |
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Rich (continued)
The courts can punish crooks, but they can't reform democracy from the ground up, and the voters can't get into the game until 2006. Meanwhile, on the Republican side, the key players both in the White House and in the leadership of both houses of Congress are either under investigation or joined at the hip to Messrs Rove, DeLay, Abramoff, Reed or Norquist. They seem to be hoping that some magical event - a sudden outbreak of peace and democracy in Iraq, the capture of Osama bin Laden, a hurricane affording better presidential photo ops than Rita - will turn things around. Dream on.
The one notable anomaly is John McCain, who retains a genuine hunger for reform, a rage at the corruption around him and the compelling motive of his presidential ambitions to push him forward; it's his Indian Affairs Committee, after all, that exposed the hideous Abramoff cesspool to public view last year. The Democrats, bereft of leadership and ideas (though not of their own Beltway bandits), also harbor a number of would-be presidents, but they are busier positioning themselves politically than they are articulating actual positions that might indicate what a new governmental order would look like. While the Republican revolution is dead, it says everything about the power vacuum left in its wake that Geena Davis's fictional commander in chief has more traction, as measured in Nielsen ratings and press, than any of the real-life contenders for that job in D.C.
the scary pic is actually from Delay's website but the link is to the very funny In the Pink Texas blog, cause, really, who wants to go over to Delay's place?
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10.01.05 - 8:47 pm | #
Mr. DeLay's latest plight is only a tiny detail within this vast Boschian canvas of depravity.
and to think i used not like frank rich.
jdw, i thought of her too.
chickenbeaver, just rolls off the tongue. it's so absurd it doesn't need context.
charley |
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10.01.05 - 8:47 pm | #
Why did the chickenbeaver cross the road?
The fact that you thought the chickenbeaver crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.
Dartanyon |
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10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
" whoa nim, ill take it but i dont deserve it.
pretzelattack | 10.01.05 - 8:46 pm | # "
Heh. Maybe it's the couple of glasses of elitist French wine, but this thread has me giggling like W at a sex ed. class.
Nim |
10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
"Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."
- Tom DeLay, March 20, 2005
"George Bush is not brain-dead; he talks and he laughs, and he expresses happiness and discomfort. His administration is not on life support."
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
Maybe someone should tell Karen Huge about shopping in Chelsea. God knows shopping at Omar the Tentmaker's not working for her.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
I demand more open threads.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
Unless someone comes forward soon with an inspired progressive agenda, it's probably time to let the Democratic Party go the way of the Whigs.
Simply letting the Republicans flounder will not win a single election, much less the race for the White House.
It used to be said that pulling the lever for a third party candidate was wasting your vote. These days, voting for a Democrat is wasting a vote.
Dp |
10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
DeLay greeted at a rally last night by several hundred enthusiastic supporters at the Galleria.
many of whom could talk, laugh, and express happiness or discomfort.
Nowhere do we see "read".
SWR
Or think!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 8:49 pm | #
OMG! A thread without a troll! I'm in shock!
Dartanyon |
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10.01.05 - 8:49 pm | #
So I guess nobody considers this immigrant massacre a story.
SOUTH GEORGIA: ATTACKS ON IMMIGRANTS KILL 5 Five men were killed and at least six people were critically wounded in attacks in trailer parks outside Tifton, the authorities said. Two suspects were sought. Some victims, all of them Mexicans, were beaten with an aluminum bat found at one site, and at least one was shot, Sheriff Al Whittington of Colquitt County said. (AP)
Seemed horrifying to me. And it sounds like a hate crime.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 8:50 pm | #
"It used to be said that pulling the lever for a third party candidate was wasting your vote. These days, voting for a Democrat is wasting a vote."
No, I just don't buy that. We need at least one house of Congress not to be in the president's party. Somebody has to be able to hold the stupid bitch to account. And by default that has to be the Democrats. It will never be the Greens. Sorry.
Little Boots |
10.01.05 - 8:50 pm | #
Unless someone comes forward soon with an inspired progressive agenda...
I don't know about progressive agendas, but here's someone who did something, damn it.
What doya think? Could this be a strategy for taking Bush out?
Moe Szyslak |
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10.01.05 - 8:51 pm | #
The one notable anomaly is John McCain, who retains a genuine hunger for reform, a rage at the corruption around him
Such bullshit.
A POW who didn't protest Abu Ghraib and other American abuses?
McCain is a joke.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 8:51 pm | #
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka -- Glad you seem to have found a good workin' buddy. I've always been intrigued by the relationships men build within the rythms of physical work.
cs |
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10.01.05 - 8:51 pm | #
I won the cheese wars for once.
We had a soft dill havarti v. a tough swiss.
Dartanyon |
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10.01.05 - 8:51 pm | #
Thou spoketh too soon, methinks...
Central Scrutinizer |
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OUTH GEORGIA: ATTACKS ON IMMIGRANTS KILL 5 Five men were killed and at least six people were critically wounded in attacks in trailer parks outside Tifton, the authorities said. Two suspects were sought. Some victims, all of them Mexicans, were beaten with an aluminum bat found at one site, and at least one was shot, Sheriff Al Whittington of Colquitt County said. (AP)
Seemed horrifying to me. And it sounds like a hate crime.
SWR
I think it's a hate crime. I was surprised CNN ever mentioned it this morning.
Lou Hobbs and Pat Buchanan must be creaming in their pants.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 8:51 pm | #
testify, seester.
¡El Gato Negro! et al. ... I'm guessing you don't want to hear from Senor Bobo!
res ipsa loquitur |
10.01.05 - 8:52 pm | #
" Fitzgerald eyes Cheney."
Hope he doesn't go blind
? |
10.01.05 - 8:52 pm | #
we have to have a strong democratic party this time around. if the repugs for for rudy the fundies will not go along and we can destroy a splintered republican party. really.
smelly cat |
10.01.05 - 8:52 pm | #
No sooner does Dartanyan jinx it than we are blessed with a concern troll.
Meh. The Mr. Prissypants trolls are much more amusing.
Nim |
10.01.05 - 8:52 pm | #
Dp | 10.01.05 - 8:48 pm | #
Yawn.
Ya got nuthin'.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 8:52 pm | #
many of whom could talk, laugh, and express happiness or discomfort.
Nowhere do we see "read".
Although all of them had a single eye in the center of their low forehead.
Dartanyon |
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res ipsa--we don't like to hear from Bobo. But feel free to summarize
Sallyh |
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No, I just don't buy that. We need at least one house of Congress not to be in the president's party. Somebody has to be able to hold the stupid bitch to account. And by default that has to be the Democrats. It will never be the Greens. Sorry.
I hope you're right but I just see the Democrats as having backed off their stances of 2003.
It seemed like:
2001/2002: Daschle leads the Democrats. They're passive, give Bush what they want.
2003/2004: Dean revitalizes the party. They start to criticize the war.
2004/2005: Back to 2001. They back off criticizing the war and give Bush his court picks.
And I just don't buy the idea that they have a "secret plan to become an opposition party when they get back in power".
SWR |
10.01.05 - 8:53 pm | #
I'm guessing you don't want to hear from Senor Bobo!
The one notable anomaly is John McCain, who retains a genuine hunger for reform, a rage at the corruption around him
Such bullshit.
A POW who didn't protest Abu Ghraib and other American abuses?
McCain is a joke.
pie
A guy who let Rove & Co. trash him during the 2000 campaign but continues to bend over and spread 'em for the Bush regime.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 8:53 pm | #
Thou spoketh too soon, methinks...
Central Scrutinizer"
yes...can we have a more productive argument, say, mac vs pc? or maybe okra vs squash?
jdw |
10.01.05 - 8:53 pm | #
No sooner does Dartanyan jinx it than we are blessed with a concern troll. Nim
I'm sorry. I feel really bad now and will depart.
Dartanyon |
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10.01.05 - 8:54 pm | #
jdw--or, you could talk about fishing
Sallyh |
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The fact that you thought the chickenbeaver crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.
Dartanyon
oh, i thought that was because it made me think of paris hilton.
btw, in the words of woot. i'd hit it.
charley |
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So I guess nobody considers this immigrant massacre a story.
SWR:
Every single regular on this blog has posted a story they've thought was mind numbingly fascinating and had it completely ignored.
Doesn't mean we didn't read the post and that we don't agree with your opinion. Just means there are other conversations going on at the moment and nobody's interested in changing the subject.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 8:54 pm | #
And I just don't buy the idea
Too bad for you.
pie |
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I think it's a hate crime. I was surprised CNN ever mentioned it this morning.
As I said, we'll know soon enough. If it's a hate crime, this is the last we'll here about it. If it's gangs, get ready for an orgy of Fox News stories about scary immigrants.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 8:55 pm | #
Thank You res!!!!
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 8:55 pm | #
Flory--agred, and for Chrissakes, it's Saturday night.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 8:55 pm | #
It used to be said that pulling the lever for a third party candidate was wasting your vote. These days, voting for a Democrat is wasting a vote.
Oh good, Dp is here to tell us to not vote Dean, vote Green.
Whatever NTodd wants, NTodd gets...
Would that it were so.
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10.01.05 - 8:56 pm | #
And DeLay gets a rousing reception from the people who know him best.
Weaving past balloons featuring DeLay's name, they waved hand-lettered signs that bore phrases such as "No proof, no way, we support Tom DeLay" and "Drop it now, Ronnie."
(..)
"To know you have all come here to welcome me home, it may be strange to hear me use the word 'joy,' " he said. "The Democrats just can't figure it out."
"I am filled with happiness, joy and humility for all the gifts my family, my friends, and especially my God, have given me," he said. "I am sustained by my Lord and savior. If you know him, and he is on your side, there ain't nothin' but joy."
(..)
"My defense will not be technical and legalistic. It will be categorical and absolute," he said. "My setback is temporary. They may have made me step aside for now. But they can never make us stand down."
(..)
"I knew my effectiveness would come at a price and my name would be dragged through the mud," he said.
"I am a target, ladies and gentlemen," DeLay said. "But I am nobody's victim."
(..)
He said Earle "had to indict me because the prize was to make me step aside temporarily as majority leader. We'll be exonerated, and I'll be majority leader again."
DeLay also said he thinks the case will see a quick resolution. "When the judges see how outrageous this is ... they will be embarrassed for their profession and they will give us as speedy a trial as possible," he said.
Rest assured, Tom DeLay will rise again
Gary Ruppert |
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A POW who didn't protest Abu Ghraib and other American abuses?
McCain is a joke.
pie
Word.
A POW who's never had a bad word to say about Gitmo.
He's a complete sellout and hypocrite.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 8:56 pm | #
portraying gingrich and his pals as idealistic reformers is bs too. they were corrupt then, they are more corrupt now, but they were never innocents.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 8:56 pm | #
A guy who let Rove & Co. trash him during the 2000 campaign but continues to bend over and spread 'em for the Bush regime.
McCain will never be president.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 8:56 pm | #
Man, I live for a Granny Smith apple!
Toby Petzold |
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10.01.05 - 8:56 pm | #
The one notable anomaly is John McCain, who retains a genuine hunger for reform, a rage at the corruption around him
Just dropped in, and saw this. I'm going go lie down and pull the covers over my head.
McCain is corruption personified. He's a hollowed-out shell of a human being.
Phila |
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10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | #
And I just don't buy the idea
Too bad for you.
pie | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 8:54 pm | #
So you're saying the Democrats do have a "secret plan" to become an opposition party sometime in 2006.
I thought the way one seized power was to rattle the opponents cage by being partisan and aggressive, not give him what he wants.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | #
NTodd--just trying to be an appreciative audience, because, after all, it's all about you
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | #
They seem to be hoping that some magical event - a sudden outbreak of peace and democracy in Iraq, the capture of Osama bin Laden, a hurricane affording better presidential photo ops than Rita - will turn things around. Dream on.
even rich is not enough of a cynic--or, having thought of it, is afraid--to describe the thing that would get 'em off the hook: terra!
another terra! strike would shift attention far, far away, and give a pretext for some new militaristic adventure...venezuela, this time?
think of it: instead of terra'sts named mohamed or jamal or hassan, their names are chuy, and pedro, or miguel?
with anti-immigrant frenzy already building, and certain to be a case before the Roberts Supreme Court next fall, what a windfall THAT would be, como no?
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka |
10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | #
If DeLay isn't allowed to return to his rightful post as Majority leader, he should run for President, and if he runs, he will win
Gary Ruppert |
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jdw--or, you could talk about fishing"
why yes, yes we could!
I've always been a double-taper man, but there are weight-forward afficianados. They are all wet. haha...little fishing joke, there...
ditto with the bamboo vs graphite argument...or wet vs dry flies...or brown vs rainbow trout..
i could talk all night, but few would be awake...
jdw |
10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | #
Rest assured, Tom DeLay will rise again
Finally, the first zombie ever to be Majority Leader!
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | #
No, I just don't buy that. We need at least one house of Congress not to be in the president's party. Somebody has to be able to hold the stupid bitch to account. And by default that has to be the Democrats. It will never be the Greens. Sorry.
They sure held Bush accountable in 2001, when the Democrats controlled the Senate. I believe the Iraq War resolution approved by a vote of 78-22 with 29 democratic Senators supporting Bush's plan for war.
Dp |
10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
"Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."
"DeLay also said he thinks the case will see a quick resolution. "When the judges see how outrageous this is ... they will be embarrassed for their profession and they will give us as speedy a trial as possible," he said.
Nim |
10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
If DeLay isn't allowed to return to his rightful post as Majority leader, he should run for President, and if he runs, he will win
Gary Ruppert |
SWR - Look at where Tifton GA is on a map. It's not going to be gangs. Hate crime or some kind of smugglers dispute.
chris/tx |
10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
I thought it was cool how McCain tricked Dumbya into eating birthday cake while Katrina was drowning New Orleans for all to see.
mike in pr |
10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
jdw--since I've never fished, I could listen all night, but you have to get back to basics. You're looking at a virgin to the craft.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
If DeLay isn't allowed to return to his rightful post as Majority leader, he should run for President, and if he runs, he will win
Gary Ruppert
President Delay has entered the stadium with his Uzbeki security team...
earl in |
10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
NTodd--just trying to be an appreciative audience, because, after all, it's all about you
It's so nice to find somebody who understands. I mean, besides my shrink.
If DeLay isn't allowed to return to his rightful post as Majority leader, he should run for President, and if he runs, he will win
I highly recommend you start a career in political consulting. Start with joining DeLay's team.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 8:59 pm | #
" NTodd--just trying to be an appreciative audience, because, after all, it's all about you
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 8:57 pm | # "
And I just don't buy the idea that they have a "secret plan to become an opposition party when they get back in power".
At this point, I do. I know why you don't, but I think the anger is at a high enough pitch right now that they actually would. If nothing else, I really want to test the proposition. I want somebody with subpoena power to be able to go after the Republicans.
And while I partly agree with your list, there are a few things missing:
2004-2005: Telling Bush to go fuck himself when it comes to Social Security "reform." Ditto, RE: John Bolton.
I'm dsappointed about Roberts, but the death of Rehnquist really changed things, I think. What happens with the next Injustice, well, we'll see.
Little Boots |
10.01.05 - 8:59 pm | #
A guy who let Rove & Co. trash him during the 2000 campaign but continues to bend over and spread 'em for the Bush regime.
Trash him? Christ, he let Rove portray his wife as a deranged miscegenist adulterer and drug addict. How she can stand the sight of him is beyond my comprehension. If I'd been his wife, I would've cut off his dick and shoved it up his ass.
Phila |
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10.01.05 - 8:59 pm | #
for Chrissakes, it's Saturday night.
Sallyh
Well, yeah.
I kinda thought that part went without saying.
Whatever NTodd wants, NTodd gets...
Would that it were so.
NTodd
He's feeling sorry for hisself?
Back from the festivities already?
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 8:59 pm | #
think of it: instead of terra'sts named mohamed or jamal or hassan, their names are chuy, and pedro, or miguel?
Excellent New York Magazine article on the anti-war movement by Phillip Weiss. Daniel Ellsburg gives some real chilling insights into what the Republicans are hoping for.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 8:59 pm | #
Rest assured, Tom DeLay will rise again
The wonder of Viagra.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:00 pm | #
Dp | 10.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
BLAH.
Get some rest, little man.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 9:00 pm | #
They are all wet. haha...little fishing joke, there...
2004-2005: Telling Bush to go fuck himself when it comes to Social Security "reform." Ditto, RE: John Bolton.
John Bolton was mainly Powell getting some payback through Voinovich. Social Security was a loss for Bush but I don't think he thought he could win. He just rolled the dice.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:00 pm | #
Arlo:
another terra! strike would shift attention far, far away, and give a pretext for some new militaristic adventure...venezuela, this time?
You're the kind that would bitch at an engine company of firemen for fighting a fire because they're illegally parked.
Toby Petzold |
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10.01.05 - 9:01 pm | #
Okay, so no one bit. Let me be more direct:
Here's the guy that burned down the White House. I found him today. He's a hero up here in Canada, you know.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 9:02 pm | #
"You're looking at a virgin to the craft."
hmmmm viiirgins...
i love 'em. why? because they do exactly what i tell them.
Now listen up! You never wear a bra or shirt with a fishing vest! Ever! It's unsportsmanlike. And those pants and panties? They will NOT work with rubber hip boots...OFF WITH THEM!
think of it: instead of terra'sts named mohamed or jamal or hassan, their names are chuy, and pedro, or miguel?
WoodyGuthriesGuitar
here's hoping their names aren't 'Lafleur,' 'Lapointe,' or 'Bourassa' with some sketchy link to quebec...
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:02 pm | #
They sure held Bush accountable in 2001, when the Democrats controlled the Senate. I believe the Iraq War resolution approved by a vote of 78-22 with 29 democratic Senators supporting Bush's plan for war.
It was 2002, and the vote was 77-23.
Now, if the Greens would, you know, work on the real grassroots, develop a stronger following at the local and state levels, build an effective national organization, and have a platform other than "there's not a dime's worth of difference between the GOP and Dems", then maybe I'll consider voting for them at the Federal level. Until then, they get my vote for dog catcher. No, wait, that was the Libertarian last time...
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:02 pm | #
Rest assured, Tom DeLay will rise again
Finally, the first zombie ever to be Majority Leader!
NTodd
SciFi channel will be producing the campaign documentary.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:02 pm | #
A guy who let Rove & Co. trash him during the 2000 campaign but continues to bend over and spread 'em for the Bush regime.
Trash him? Christ, he let Rove portray his wife as a deranged miscegenist adulterer and drug addict. How she can stand the sight of him is beyond my comprehension. If I'd been his wife, I would've cut off his dick and shoved it up his ass.
Phila
He had an illegitimate black child, you know!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 9:03 pm | #
Toby--ever sliced up a Granny Smith, cooked up with some brown sugar, butter, cinnamon, a dash of lemon juice and a pinch of cloves, with a little butter? Makes the best ice cream topping ever.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:03 pm | #
It was 2002, and the vote was 77-23.
Did the Democrats control the Senate for this vote?
Viagara for zombies?
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:03 pm | #
jdw--I'm under the impression the fish don't really care...
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:03 pm | #
That man was just eaten by sperm.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
That's a nasty story, SWR...I always have trouble with the idea of a 'hate crime' murder being somehow more special (& no, that isn't quite the word I want) than any other kind of murder. I don't like victim impact statements either. The law is supposed to be blind to what kind of person the victim or the accused were.
nick carraway |
10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
Okay, so it's *not* an aquatic chupacabra - it's a chupacabra on a cruise ship. *That* makes sense.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
i love 'em. why? because they do exactly what i tell them.
Now listen up! You never wear a bra or shirt with a fishing vest! Ever! It's unsportsmanlike. And those pants and panties? They will NOT work with rubber hip boots...OFF WITH THEM!
since when did virgin equal cerebellar flat-line?
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
That's very interesting, Moe. Thanks for the link.
Toby Petzold |
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10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
Toby should drink a wuart of bleach. It'd do wonders.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 9:02 pm | #
There isn't a reason in the world you can't elect two Green or Socialist Senators from Vermont to replace Leahy and Jeffords.
Both would probably be more reliable opponents of Bush than some Democrats and both would probably vote consistently with the liberal wing of the Democratic party.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:04 pm | #
It was 2002, and the vote was 77-23.
Did the Democrats control the Senate for this vote?
Yes, IIRC. They didn't lose control until the mid-terms that November.
NTodd |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 9:05 pm | #
Eli, Thersites and I are now about to try to liveblog all at once.
Should be entertaining.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:05 pm | #
A ripe Braeburn apple is a gift from table of the gods.
plantsman |
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10.01.05 - 9:05 pm | #
McCain is corruption personified. He's a hollowed-out shell of a human being.
Phila
What politician can you possibly ask to defend the Nation's interest, who publicly sold, for a dime on the dollar, his own family's honor?
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 9:05 pm | #
Damn. I missed Frankenfish!
Went to the zoo and saw nonmutant critters today. Actually got to hear the tiger roar
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:05 pm | #
Sally, that sounds insanely good. And more trouble than I usually go to. But I will copy that to my file of odds and ends. Thanks.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 9:06 pm | #
yes...can we have a more productive argument, say, mac vs pc? or maybe okra vs squash?
Euglena! Plant, animal or snack food?
The Cheeto in Toby's Beard |
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10.01.05 - 9:06 pm | #
Yes, IIRC. They didn't lose control until the mid-terms that November.
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 9:05 pm | #
Holy Fuck. I had assumed the Republicans controlled it.
This is even worse than I thought. I had thought they simply didn't mount an opposition.
They could have stopped it.
Damn. Lots of blood on their hands.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:06 pm | #
"jdw--I'm under the impression the fish don't really care..."
this isn't about fish, silly person. this is about tradition, sportmanship, class, elegance, homage to the sport!
and catering to my needs.
jdw |
10.01.05 - 9:06 pm | #
it's a chupacabra on a cruise ship. *That* makes sense.
Eli
Did I miss anything?
Hecate |
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10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
Suddenly I want some fine Columbian coffee. With goat milk.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
There isn't a reason in the world you can't elect two Green or Socialist Senators from Vermont to replace Leahy and Jeffords.
Leahy, prolly not: too popular, and the Greens really aren't that strong here. The Progressives, however, are another story. They have a great chance with Dave Zucker (he's the organic farmer my wife buys a share of the veggie crop from in the summer, and is currently in the VT House) to take Bernie's seat, and he has a great chance to replace the retiring Jeffords.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
There isn't a reason in the world you can't elect two Green or Socialist Senators from Vermont to replace Leahy and Jeffords.
Leahy, prolly not: too popular, and the Greens really aren't that strong here. The Progressives, however, are another story. They have a great chance with Dave Zucker (he's the organic farmer my wife buys a share of the veggie crop from in the summer, and is currently in the VT House) to take Bernie's seat, and he has a great chance to replace the retiring Jeffords.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
"since when did virgin equal cerebellar flat-line?
flory"
c'mon, flory...play along...yer messing up my moment, here...it's been a rough day..
jdw |
10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
Rest assured, Tom DeLay will rise again
Rest assured Mrs. DeLay (if one really exists) is probably horrified
? |
10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
hey Moe,
I was expecting to find a pic of Laura Secord or General Brock
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:08 pm | #
jdw--if it's about catering to your needs, I'll bring the beer. I understand one can't fish without beer.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:09 pm | #
PBS (at least in NYC) appears to be re-running the Scorsese Dylan thing for those who are not into the sci fi shenanigans.
res ipsa loquitur |
10.01.05 - 9:09 pm | #
Oooh. A Condor. and a skeleton.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:09 pm | #
SWR, I read the story and found it horrifying indeed. But the disturbing facts of a brutal multiple homicide related in the news account do not have the same associations for me as they do for you.
It's too soon to guess the significance of the crime. Maybe, as WGG suggested, it will prove to be a straightforward "retail" crime, arising from personal or domestic conflict. Revenge, something to do with money, etc.
Assuming that the crime is fairly and professionally investigated, which is certainly a problematic assumption, the truth will be forthcoming.
If evidence emerges that there's some other agenda at work, vigilantism or whatever, I'll get my outrage on. Too soon right now.
Not ignoring you.
Little Brøther |
10.01.05 - 9:09 pm | #
Perhaps Woody would care to pass along the choice local gossip about McCain and why he is....
I'm going to finish Grand Illusion. It's so, illusory. And French. Mostly.
Leahy, prolly not: too popular, and the Greens really aren't that strong here.
I've never hated Leahy but he's got to pay for that vote on Roberts.
It's not as if Vermont's a swing state.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:10 pm | #
White hat's a repug for sure. I'm surprised he didn't just shoot the guy.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:10 pm | #
Hecate--would you like a Seabreeze?
I was told to drink a lot of cranberry juice. I figured a seabreeze was a nice way to have it.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:10 pm | #
Arlo, are you one of those non-homosexuals ---like Simels--- whose preoccupation with rectal cavities and fecal matter is probably indicative of something far more perverted?
Toby Petzold |
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10.01.05 - 9:10 pm | #
"jdw--if it's about catering to your needs, I'll bring the beer. I understand one can't fish without beer.
Sallyh"
that's the spirit! we will do well!
excuse me while I go watch a movie...enjoy the bad sci fi kids!
jdw |
10.01.05 - 9:10 pm | #
The suspense is killing me!!!!!
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
HA HA HA
I See Toby's still trying to pretend that he his a nice guy.
Don't fall for it moon bats, he is an fucking wanker.
sally |
10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
SWR, I read the story and found it horrifying indeed. But the disturbing facts of a brutal multiple homicide related in the news account do not have the same associations for me as they do for you.
If it were five white liberal grad students it would have electified the left side of the blog sphere (even if it had turned out only to be a drug deal gone bad).
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
The subtitles (on this showing of GI) are a hell of a lot worse than on the Criterion DVD.
(sick) kei & yuri |
10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
Damn, gotta go. SWR, it's a vital argument. I don't think I'm as Left as you, but I'm really glad people are pushing on the Dems. I don't know what will work. Maybe it's a state thing. It's weird the influence that the Conservative Party has over the Republicans in New York State, to the point where the candidates really want an endorsement from this Fringe party. Maybe the Greens need to be a faction within the Democratic Party, or maybe they need to develop the discipline to actually make candidates want their endorsement. I do know that on the national level we're doomed to a two-party system. But, that doesn't negate anything you said, and I always get a lot to think about out of your posts.
Gotta go. Hope everybody has fun watching the Chupacabra movie.
Little Boots |
10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
Yeah, Democrats don't like to talk about how they all flip-flopped on the War in the middle of 2003
Gary Ruppert |
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10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
c'mon, flory...play along...yer messing up my moment, here...it's been a rough day..
jdw
*sigh*
oh, all right.
wouldn't want to deprive any of the boyz of their fantasies...
there's such rich variety here at eschaton.....
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
McStain...a joke??? No, just a cheap pol with a change of hue for every shirt color he crawls across. With the Rethugs continuing their organizing in the cultish christian churches the GodOnlyParty will only nominate a Je-zuz-luvin' ticket in '08. Dems nominating HR Clinton, as many have said, would be instant death by the organizing power she'd give the Rethugs. Best Dem hope is a firebrand from nowhere completely unconnected to the established crowd.
A Dem victory in 2006 would maybe change this future's track somewhat but, thusfar, Dems appear helpless in the face of a string of GOP crime family gifts. I know the Dem establishment doesn't want to get ahead of the headlines but one or two out there stances would really pay major dividends for whoever has the balls to stake them out. An 06 Dem Congressional majority would give all of us the dreamed for karma of a Bush/Cheney impeachment after lengthy Select Committee investigations. Their right wing nuts and our milquetoasts will be our death.
sean |
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10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
res,
How's the new job so far?
Hecate |
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10.01.05 - 9:11 pm | #
Shades of "Predator"....
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Yeah, Democrats don't like to talk about how they all flip-flopped on the War in the middle of 2003
Icy conditions reported in Hell up to and including the fourth circle.
I agree with Ruppert.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Chupacabras would make excellent linebackers...
Or linebacabrabas.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Yeah, Democrats don't like to talk about how they all flip-flopped on the War in the middle of 2003
Gary Ruppert
Don't you have a blow up doll to break in, RUBE-pert?
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
McCain is corruption personified. He's a hollowed-out shell of a human being.
Phila
odd how some people get this reputation for being a 'straight shooter,' or 'maverick' when they're about as original as, er, well, something 'not' original...
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Watertiger--you were asking about the chupacabra...
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Jim Wright wasn't even indicted, if I remember correctly, & he never got his seat back.
You'd think the trool would have *some* standard for morality in government, but apparently no.
nick carraway |
10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
ok theres a condor, a skeleton, an aquatic chupacabra, some kind of goat orgy, terry shiavo, tom delay and some chickenbeavers. and toby petzold.
is this one of those movies with subtitles?
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:12 pm | #
" res ipsa --
I hope that is fair use posting -- otherwise, better get a lawyer"
Print out a thread, and throw darts?
Nim |
10.01.05 - 9:13 pm | #
nothing like a celebratory cantaloupe
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:13 pm | #
if it's about catering to your needs, I'll bring the beer. I understand one can't fish without beer.
I come here because people are so sensible.
But now I must watch the Sopranos....
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 9:13 pm | #
A blonde!!!
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:13 pm | #
G'night GWPDA -- Enjoy Grand Illusion. I'd love to own a copy of that film.
cs |
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10.01.05 - 9:13 pm | #
A POW who didn't protest Abu Ghraib and other American abuses?
McCain is a joke.
pie
and who ran out within 5 mins. of the london bombings to say "this proves the iraq war was necessary."
ding dong, big time wrong. i guess i don't like any politicians, but some of them really piss me off.
as for SWR's story, i think we can attribute this to a failure of leadership. gestalt matters. when little boots goes about with language like "were gonna smoke 'em out of their holes and whup 'em" it gets the rubes riled up.
then there is billy bennett. true colors.
charley |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
Does John Rhys Davies REALLY need the money?
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
"wouldn't want to deprive any of the boyz of their fantasies..."
thank you...and it's not like i have many or that they are too odd...i reckon rubber hip boot fixations are not that rare....
Yeah, Democrats don't like to talk about how they all flip-flopped on the War in the middle of 2003
Gary Ruppert
Hillary Clinton wants more troops in iraq.
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
nekkid scifi blogging and a seabreeze? Count me in!
Hecate |
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10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
Is anyone else bothered by what sounds like a complete lack of accent, or an American accent, in von Stroheim's German?
(sick) kei & yuri |
10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
I think the chupacabra ripped off the boat.
They're wily.
I really shouldn't be watching this - I'm on a low-chupacarb diet.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
Hecate ...
It's like a sweatshop for people with $90K(+) of education debt.
But I am getting paid.
res ipsa loquitur |
10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
Icy conditions reported in Hell up to and including the fourth circle.
I agree with Ruppert.
Remember when Bush told Kerry that he changed his view on the War because of Howard Dean, not just once, but twice, and remember how Kerry didn't even try to defend himself there?
The fact is that your party wanted it both ways, and you got it neither way
Gary Ruppert |
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10.01.05 - 9:14 pm | #
Why is Rhys Davies doing a James Mason impression?
Does John Rhys Davies REALLY need the money?
watertiger
Escort services are really expensive; Republican demand has driven the price through the roof.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:15 pm | #
I've never hated Leahy but he's got to pay for that vote on Roberts.
I'm pissed about that as well, but if the same carpetbagger GOP asshole runs against him again, I've got to go for Pat.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:15 pm | #
Prior A ... Don't tell on me!
res ipsa loquitur |
10.01.05 - 9:16 pm | #
My real problem is that the Democrats didn't *really* flip flop on the war.
They flip flopped in 2003 during the Dean upsurge but went right back to supporting it after Kerry lost.
Opposition party not.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
(pushes Hecate a double shot seabreeze)
Sorry, it's Grey Goose, not Stoli--will that do?
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
PLEASE IGNORE RUPPERT!
He a troll paid by the RNC to disrupt forums.
res ipsa loquitur
Well, the RNC isn't getting much for their money, are they?
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
PLEASE IGNORE RUPPERT!
He a troll paid by the RNC to disrupt forums.
Oh.. that explains the checks I keep getting.
Gary Ruppert |
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10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
I wonder when Bush is going to rollout his Iran Nuclear attack plan. Cheney and Rumsfeld have figured out that there is not enough soldiers to attack Iran so the nuclear attack is the only option.
How many Democratic Senators will support it. I am guessing around 30.
Dont dare to vote against the popular chimp.
Dp |
10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
the wings help the chupacabra aquatically.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
Remember: the gun is in the safe.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
Rest assured Mrs. DeLay (if one really exists) is probably horrified
Dp--you're working my last nerve here.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:18 pm | #
So was that John Rhys Davies in that crate?
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:18 pm | #
Sorry, it's Grey Goose, not Stoli--will that do?
grey goose is way better.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:18 pm | #
Hey trolls, do you mind?
We're trying to watch a fucking movie here.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:18 pm | #
Eli--did you catch the blonde running the kickboxing class?
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:18 pm | #
I'm pissed about that as well, but if the same carpetbagger GOP asshole runs against him again, I've got to go for Pat.
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 9:15 pm | #
Who's the GOP carpetbagging asshole?
Is he trying to play off resentment over gay civil unions?
I've seen those "take back Vermont" signs.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:18 pm | #
It is a generic concern trool. You do not need to bother your beautiful mind with it. Scrolling right past it is mue easy.
Nim |
10.01.05 - 9:19 pm | #
Skeey aerobics?
Better than Jazzerskeet.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:19 pm | #
For a moment, I thought the gun was in the microwave.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
Dont dare to vote against the popular chimp.
Uh, he's not popular. And aren't you the same guy who was predicting all the Dems would be marching on 9/11? Funny how that didn't happen.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
PBS (at least in NYC) appears to be re-running the Scorsese Dylan thing for those who are not into the sci fi shenanigans.
res ipsa loquitur
not here 'dang it' and I had to miss both shows this week.
next stop: dvd player and docu dvd.
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
Never open the box...
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
You know why I actually like Pie?
She expresses quite accurately what Kerry thought about the party's grass roots.
Give us money and shut up. We want your dollars but not your input. If you had anything to say, you'd be in office already.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
One down.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
Oh no! He's being eaten by a rubbery monster!
And now his friend just turned the light off to even the odds!
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
Opposition party not.
SWR | 10.01.05 - 9:17 pm | #
Isn't it past your bedtime?
pie |
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10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
It is a good thing that "right thinking" people like Gary Ruppert are here to set the record straight.
Why, with victory around the corner in Iraq, the strong dollar, corruption in government stamped out, the budget balanced, Osama captured, the daily Baghdad flower in the street parade, honor brought back to the White House, North Korea and Iran virtually capitualating on Nuclear(sorry Nuclar) Arms the utter respect of other nations toward the USA; The republicans can truly say:
Mmmm-- if the tombstone is correct, General Ross didn't actually burn the White House since he was dead prior to the occupation -- I think it might have been Admiral Cochrane who gave the orders, IIRC
Poor Tom Packenham showed up in time to take command before new orleans -- not his best moment (now, commanding the 3rd Division at Salamanca!...)
Prior Aelred |
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10.01.05 - 9:21 pm | #
Is that blonde chick 13?
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:21 pm | #
Oh... you're an insurance salesman... How nice.
I want to go talk to Gigolo Joe now.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:21 pm | #
What's the deal on Fitzgerald getting a new boss recently by Bushite order who can pressure him to squelch the Plame investigation? Anyone have any info on this, links, implications?
! |
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10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
SWR | 10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
Bush is bleeding you dry, little man.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Eli--another blonde, this one in uniform
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Is that a dog barking or her boobs rubbing together?
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Isn't it past your bedtime?
pie | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 9:20 pm | #
Nope. I get to stay up until 9:30 on Saturday nights.
Now, you want me to shut up about what direction I think the Democratic party to go in because, obviously, I'm not famous or a member of the elite or an officeholder.
Do you want me to stop giving money?
Now I'm assuming you're going to come back with a crack about how I don't have a lot of money (and that's true).
Do you want people *like me* to stop giving money?
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
How does one become a valley girl living on a cruise ship?
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
It's like a sweatshop for people with $90K(+) of education debt.
Oh, ouch.
That doesn't sound like any fun at all.
More eschaton for RIL....
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Prediction:
John Rhys Davis is going to eat more passengers than the chupacabra.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
That dog thing is a pain in the ass
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Never open the box...
Absolutely goddamn right.
Did she just say it was her third voyage on The Reject Queen?
And is Gigolo Joe wearing eyeliner?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:23 pm | #
Bush is bleeding you dry, little man.
Hmmm... that sentence could have worked equally well punctuated in a slightly different way, i.e., ...
Bush is bleeding, you dry little man.
res ipsa loquitur |
10.01.05 - 9:23 pm | #
pie is the type of 'liberal' who will scream antiwar slogans while supporting prowarmongers like hillary clinton.
hilarious and pathetic.
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:23 pm | #
El Gato Negro--I have a lovely roast chicken with garlic and lemon and black pepper. I'm told that cats have an affinity for lovely poultry.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:23 pm | #
Point taken, SWR.
I'm doubtless jaded from decades of living in or just outside a city with a rich history of multiple homicides-- from MOVE to the Lex Street Massacre.
The City of Brotherly Love
Little Brøther |
10.01.05 - 9:23 pm | #
The blonde in uniform is giving me kind of an Ilsa vibe.
Just sayin'.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:24 pm | #
Watertiger--I don't know, but it's definitely a dialect that deserves confinement.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:24 pm | #
What's the deal on Fitzgerald getting a new boss recently by Bushite order who can pressure him to squelch the Plame investigation? Anyone have any info on this, links, implications?
That was threatened but the administration actually backed off. The new boss is not a Bushite.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 9:24 pm | #
What acting!
I think you meant, "What acting?"
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:24 pm | #
pie is the type of 'liberal' who will scream antiwar slogans while supporting prowarmongers like hillary clinton.
She'll support anybody the Democrats put up. If it's Kucinich, she'll call anybody who doesn't like Kucinich a troll. If it's Lieberman, she'll call anybody who doesn't like Lieberman a troll.
We peasants don't have a voice, only money to give. We're just not worth listening to.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:24 pm | #
SWR - Jack McMullen. He's a richy rich "businessman" who owned some vacation property in VT, so decided to move up from MA because he "knew the people and the issues" or some such nonsense. That's why the late, great Fred Tuttle, the old farmer in "A Man With A Plan" ran against him and kicked his ass in the '98 GOP primary (then endorsed Pat). Pat crushed McMullen with somewhere around 70% of the vote in 2004.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:25 pm | #
I fucking can't stand Madison Avenue! Their recent habit of showing animated marketing graphics along the bottom of the screen during a movie is criminal.
It totally obscured the subtitles during a tense scene in The Godfather.
Fuck watching a movie on TV anymore. With the church-lady dialogue editing and the mid-movie cross-branding, just fuck it. It's just gotten stupid anymore.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 9:25 pm | #
How many chumps could a chupacabra eat if a chupacabra could eat chumps?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:26 pm | #
I'm doubtless jaded from decades of living in or just outside a city with a rich history of multiple homicides-- from MOVE to the Lex Street Massacre.
The City of Brotherly Love
Five University of Pennsylvania students get beaten to death with baseball bats.
Sorry, Eli, Busty Blonde looks to be a goner.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:26 pm | #
We peasants don't have a voice, only money to give. We're just not worth listening to.
Jaysus.
After that little exchange, you are so right.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
Jack McMullen. He's a richy rich "businessman" who owned some vacation property in VT, so decided to move up from MA because he "knew the people and the issues" or some such nonsense.
Is he a Chaffee type centrist Republican or a right winger like Romney?
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
DWD--I just brought it in...and guess what I got!
I'll listen to the CD tonight. thank you so much!
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
How you people can blithely liveblog scifi movies when Paris Hilton has ended her engagement is beyond me. I'm way too verklempt.
Hecate |
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10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
I wish he would eat the trolls!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
Prior -- We re-watched Fahrenheit 911 tonight and noticed the company in the Today Show scene hawking those sky-scraper parachutes was from Three Rivers MI. How's that enterprise doing these days?
cs |
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10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
DWD--we were at the zoo most of the day, and I had to wait for a commercial break
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
'dry bleeding' is either an oxymoron or a metaphor.
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
After that little exchange, you are so right.
pie | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 9:27 pm | #
So you're saying that people *like me* shouldn't donate to the Democratic Party?
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
The Dems controlled the House until the '02 midterms, but not the Senate.
Oh, dear.
Night, all.
pie |
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10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
Oh no! He's being eaten by a rubbery monster!
I wish he would eat the trolls!
That would be cannibalism.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
pie is the type of 'liberal' who will scream antiwar slogans while supporting prowarmongers like hillary clinton.
earl in | 10.01.05 - 9:23 pm | #
Hey earl the squirrel, I am sure pie doesn't wonder or care why you support the worst "President ever" just find help.
? |
10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
Hecate--okay if I read Vogue while liveblogging instead?
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:28 pm | #
How you people can blithely liveblog scifi movies when Paris Hilton has ended her engagement is beyond me.
We all deal with grief in different ways, I suppose.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:29 pm | #
How you people can blithely liveblog scifi movies when Paris Hilton has ended her engagement is beyond me.
Some things are too perfect to last, I know. But just remember that Britney's baby showed up around the same time, circle of life and all...
Jay C. |
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10.01.05 - 9:29 pm | #
BTW, I'm just completely incapable of getting comments in between these two guys.
Watertiger--the line 'wake up with the king' creeps me out.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:29 pm | #
Sallyh, those are mp3s. You will not listen to it tonight as there are about four hundred songs on the two and that would take about 400 X 4 min - 1600 minutes? 25 hours more or less? (But you sort of have to listen on the computer. )
DWD |
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10.01.05 - 9:29 pm | #
Hey earl the squirrel, I am sure pie doesn't wonder or care why you support the worst "President ever" just find help.
I don't care if he's a Bush supporter or not. If he's asking why the Democrats supported the war, he's asking the right questions.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:29 pm | #
BTW, I'm just completely incapable of getting comments in between these two guys.
Maybe you should try getting something else in between us...
Did I just say that out loud?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:30 pm | #
Is he a Chaffee type centrist Republican or a right winger like Romney?
Uh, he ain't a Chaffee centrist, but I honestly don't remember if he's a total wacko like Romney--more of a "pro-business" Republican, whatever the hell that means.. Regardless, he doesn't play well in VT, even when we overwhelmingly re-elected our GOP governor and lite gov (they got my vote) last year.
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10.01.05 - 9:30 pm | #
res--
A gentleman never tells
Prior Aelred |
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10.01.05 - 9:30 pm | #
DWD--I'll certainly be able to listen at work
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:30 pm | #
"I'm a cryptozoologist. It means I study animals and I'm very mysterious."
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:31 pm | #
Chesty blonde's a goner.
watertiger
Oh...well!!
I see they've reinvented the script for this one.
And what did you guys do with Mary, anyhoo?
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:31 pm | #
" Watertiger--the line 'wake up with the king' creeps me out.
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 9:29 pm | # "
I think they're intentionally disturbing. It's about branding. Burning their name into the recesses of your psyche. As long as you're thinking about "burger king" and talking about it in between Chupacabra posts, you're NOT talking about Ronald McDonald the Pederast Clown. Which is, of course, exactly what they want.
Nim |
10.01.05 - 9:31 pm | #
Did I just say that out loud?
If you're still ambulatory is five minutes I'll be amazed.
That gigolo's wig is really quite atrocious.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:31 pm | #
i imagine the 'liberal' hillary supporters as the type of people who would have tarred and feathered benjamin franklin...
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:31 pm | #
The Dems controlled the House until the '02 midterms, but not the Senate.
Regardless, he doesn't play well in VT, even when we overwhelmingly re-elected our GOP governor and lite gov (they got my vote) last year.
How much resentment do the gay civil unions cause.
I haven't spent much time in Vermont since I was a kid but I have a lot of relative there and they're not all that liberal.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:32 pm | #
I see they've reinvented the script for this one.
And what did you guys do with Mary, anyhoo?
The minimum requirement is one. We're okay.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:32 pm | #
TIFTON, Ga. Oct 1, 2005 — Pedro Bemol stayed awake most of the night, swapping lookout shifts in the dark with the five other Mexican immigrants who share a ragged mobile home with no electricity and a front door that won't close because of a broken latch.
"Right now, we're afraid to go to sleep all of us are restless," the 36-year-old said Saturday outside his home, two doors down from the trailer where robbers killed two of his neighbors. "We don't know if they'll come in and get us in the night, break in while we're asleep."
These people are being terrorized.
monica_nyc |
10.01.05 - 9:32 pm | #
Isn't it sad that McCain looks good compared to the vermin in office?
negroponte-fication |
10.01.05 - 9:32 pm | #
Rrronald McDonald, she ees a pedestal?
¡El Gato Negro! |
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10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
If you're still ambulatory is five minutes I'll be amazed.
Hey, the temperature's dropping here at night. Ya gotta stay warm somehow.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
October 2, 2005
In the Beginning, There Was Abramoff
By FRANK RICH
"Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."
- Tom DeLay, March 20, 2005
IF you believed Tom DeLay then, you no doubt believe now that the deposed House majority leader is only on "temporary" leave from his powerful perch in Washington and that he'll soon bounce back, laughing all the way, from a partisan witch hunt that unjustly requires his brief discomfort in a Texas courtroom.
Those who still live in the reality-based community, however, may sense they're watching the beginning of the end of something big. It's not just Mr. DeLay, a k a the Hammer, who is on life support, but a Washington establishment whose infatuation with power and money has contaminated nearly every limb of government and turned off a public that by two to one finds the country on the wrong track.
But don't take my word for it. And don't listen to the canned talking points of the Democrats, who are still so busy trying to explain why they were for the war in Iraq before they were against it that it's hard to trust their logic on anything else. Listen instead to Andrew Ferguson, of the conservative Rupert Murdoch magazine, The Weekly Standard. As far back as last December in a cover article on the sleazy lobbyist Jack Abramoff, Mr. Ferguson was already declaring "the end of the Republican Revolution."
He painted the big picture of the Abramoff ethos in vibrant strokes: the ill-gotten Indian gambling moolah snaking through the bank accounts of a network of DeLay cronies and former aides; the "fact-finding" Congressional golfing trips to further the cause of sweatshop garment factories in the Marianas islands; the bogus "think tank" in Rehoboth Beach, Del., where the two scholars in residence were a yoga instructor and a lifeguard (albeit a "lifeguard of the year"). Certain names kept recurring in Mr. Ferguson's epic narrative, most prominently Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist, Republican money-changers who are as tightly tied to President Bush and Karl Rove as they are to Mr. Abramoff and Mr. DeLay, if not more so.
The bottom line, Mr. Ferguson wrote, was a culture antithetical to everything conservatives had stood for in the Gingrich revolution of 1994. Slaying a corrupt, bloated Democratic establishment was out, gluttony for the G.O.P. and its fat cats was in. Mr. Abramoff and his gang embodied the very enemy the "Contract With America" Congress had supposedly come to Washington to smite: " 'Beltway Bandits,' profiteers who manipulate the power of big government on behalf of well-heeled people who pay them tons of money to do so." Those tons of Republican money were deposited in the favors bank of K Street, where, as The Washington Post reported this year, the number of lobbyists has more than doubled (to some 35,000) since the Bush era began in 2000. Conservatives who once aspired to cut government "do
Gollum |
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10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
Watertiger--that gigolo's acting is even more atrocious.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
Thread is the mother of all beauty.
Norm |
10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
How you people can blithely liveblog scifi movies when Paris Hilton has ended her engagement is beyond me. I'm way too verklempt.
Hecate
And just today I was reading the Vanity Fair cover story about her engagement.
Oh, the horror.....
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
Mr. DeLay's latest plight is only a tiny detail within this vast Boschian canvas of depravity. If this were Watergate - and Watergate itself increasingly looks like a relatively contained epidemic of corruption - the Texas grand jury's indictment of the congressman and his associates would be a sideshow tantamount to the initial 1973 California grand jury indictment of the Nixon aide John Ehrlichman and his pals in the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office; Watergate's real legal fireworks were still in the wings. So forget about all those details down in Texas that make your teeth hurt; don't bother to learn the difference between Trmpac and Armpac. Fasten your seat belt instead for the roller coaster of other revelations and possible indictments that's about to roar through the Beltway.
The most important plot development of the past two weeks, in fact, has nothing to do with Mr. DeLay (as far as we know). It was instead the arrest of the administration's top procurement officer, David Safavian, on charges of lying and obstructing the investigation of Mr. Abramoff. And what an investigation it is: The F.B.I., the I.R.S., the Treasury Department and the Interior Department have all been involved. The popular theory of the case has it that Mr. Safavian, a former lobbying colleague of both Mr. Abramoff and Mr. Norquist, is being muscled by the feds to rat on the big guys in Washington - much as another smaller fish may have helped reel in Mr. DeLay in Texas.
The DeLay and Abramoff investigations are not to be confused with the many others percolating in the capital, including, most famously of late, the Justice Department and S.E.C. inquiries into the pious Bill Frist's divine stock-sale windfall and the homeland security inspector general's promised inquiry into possible fraud in the no-bid contracts doled out by FEMA for Hurricane Katrina. The mother of all investigations, of course, remains the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's pursuit of whoever outed the C.I.A. agent Valerie Wilson to Robert Novak and whoever may have lied to cover it up. The denouement is on its way.
But whatever the resolution of any of these individual dramas, they will not be the end of the story. Like the continuing revelations of detainee abuse emerging from Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantánamo, this is a crisis in the governing culture, not the tale of a few bad apples. Every time you turn over a rock, you find more vermin. We've only just learned from The Los Angeles Times that Joseph Schmitz, until last month the inspector general in charge of policing waste, fraud and abuse at the Pentagon, is himself the focus of a Congressional inquiry. He is accused of blocking the investigation of another Bush appointee who is suspected of siphoning Iraq reconstruction contracts to business cronies. At the Justice Department, the F.B.I. is looking into why a career prosecutor was demoted after he started probing alleged Abramoff illegality in Guam. According to The
Gollum |
10.01.05 - 9:33 pm | #
Watertiger--that gigolo's acting is even more atrocious.
But the eyeliner makeups for it.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:34 pm | #
SWR: I think you always underestimate the amount of support & grudging acceptance a significant number (not all, *maybe* not even a majority) the American people themselves had for the IWR.
All I know is, out here, I worked my ass off trying to talk people out of supporting the invasion of Iraq and got absolutely fucking nowhere. You wouldn't get as far as I did.
nick carraway |
10.01.05 - 9:34 pm | #
The one notable anomaly is John McCain, who retains a genuine hunger for reform, a rage at the corruption around him...
I agree with pie's comment.
Mr. McCain lost whatever credibility he had gained IMHO during the last Republican primary. I just saw "Bush's Brain" again today and it refreshed in detail what the Rovian et al forces did in South Carolina against McCain. He should have come out swinging and looking to crucify those bastards and instead he just makes nice-nice so that his political future is still bright (or so he thinks). He didn't have the balls to stand up for his wife and children - why in God's name would anyone think that he would stand up for you, Mr. & Mrs. American citizen!
Florence of Venice |
10.01.05 - 9:34 pm | #
res, thank you for the Rich posts. I was lapping it up til the last paragraph. "Dems have no ideas" They do. They just haven't put them into flash cards for the simple folk in the media. And John McCain?! That guy makes me want to vomit. During the 04 campaign he actually said he knew both Bush and Kerry well and felt Bush was the better man for the job. I didn't expect him to endorse Kerry, but quit insulting my intelligence.
Neponset |
10.01.05 - 9:34 pm | #
My grav is blacker than you losers' black grav.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 9:35 pm | #
Eli--heh. Even I can apply eyeliner better than that doofus.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:35 pm | #
weve already seen this rich column.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:35 pm | #
so when are we just going to start takin' out motherfuckers? Just askin'.
Jim J |
10.01.05 - 9:35 pm | #
Hey earl the squirrel, I am sure pie doesn't wonder or care why you support the worst "President ever" just find help.
my response:
A. I am always open to finding 'help.'
B. I'm trying to decipher if this is a satirical post.
C. supporting george w. 'gee evil really is banal' bush or hillary warfuck or john 'torch the hut' kerry is the last thing you'll find me doing.
earl in |
10.01.05 - 9:35 pm | #
prolly getting my hopes up but...what are the chances of abramoff's mob taint rubbing off delay?
jello |
10.01.05 - 9:36 pm | #
Isn't it sad that McCain looks good compared to the vermin in office?
McCain doesn't look better than the regime to me; he is part of it.
monica_nyc |
10.01.05 - 9:36 pm | #
How much resentment do the gay civil unions cause.
None really nowadays. We've had CUs for, what, 5 years now? Turns out God didn't destroy our state. Certainly the 2000 election was very divisive in the wake of it all--that's when the Take Back Vermont signs, many of which you will STILL see up in the Northeast Kingdom (where we have a camp), started appearing. The GOP took over the House, but the Dems held the Senate, and Dean managed to win a majority even in a three-way race with a Prog and a GOP challenger (same as in 2002).
These days people are more concerned about refining Act 60, our property tax/school funding law, and the job market and heating costs this winter. Nobody really worries what the queers are doing to the soil these days.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:36 pm | #
prolly getting my hopes up but...what are the chances of abramoff's mob taint rubbing off delay?
jello
Heh, heh...jello said rubbing taint.
Heh, heh.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 9:37 pm | #
The chupacabra is indigenous to Puerto Rico, you know.
mike in pr |
10.01.05 - 9:37 pm | #
Dad, get me a burrow owl!!
BlakNo1 |
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10.01.05 - 9:38 pm | #
cs --
The owner of that company was really pissed at what Michael Moore did to him -- his secretary was a secretary -- she had never SEEN one of those chutes before (it's not like Three Rivers has a building tall enough where you could use one)
But the main business is making "power chutes" -- sort of a combination parachute & ultra-lite -- I've been up -- lots of fun!
Prior Aelred |
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10.01.05 - 9:38 pm | #
SHOOT THE LAUNDRY! SHOOT THE LAUNDRY!
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:38 pm | #
mike in pr--you do goatsucking there?
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:38 pm | #
Shame:
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:38 pm | #
The chupacabra is indigenous to Puerto Rico, you know.
You are *not* invited to EschaCon II.
Better safe than sorry.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:39 pm | #
They'll never get the blood stains out of those sheets.
*Jumping to bottom of thread, so apologies if this has been discussed already*
--holy shit, they just had the SunCruz/murders/Jack Abramof story on America's Most Wanted, with a side order of mention of Jack A's links to Tom DeLay!
I'm gonna guess there is not a huge overlap between AMW watchers and blog readers, so this has the effect of bringing the story to a whole 'nother level of awareness. Schweet.
Xan |
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10.01.05 - 9:39 pm | #
The owner of that company was really pissed at what Michael Moore did to him -
But didn't Moore just show a newscast of an interview of the guy and his parachute. The guy should have prepared better for the interview.
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 9:40 pm | #
Left Lane--it's cooled off up here! We spent the day at the LA Zoo and had a lovely time!
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:41 pm | #
--holy shit, they just had the SunCruz/murders/Jack Abramof story on America's Most Wanted, with a side order of mention of Jack A's links to Tom DeLay!
I'm betting Torricelli had something to do with it. He's the slimeball who got him to go negative on Dean.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:43 pm | #
Excellent, Sallyh. I spent the day with my mother, discussing her finances ... and shopping for a refrigerator ... then came home and went for a nice bikeride with my 10 year old. That was sweet, he actually talked to me!!
Left Lane |
10.01.05 - 9:43 pm | #
holy shit, they just had the SunCruz/murders/Jack Abramof story on America's Most Wanted, with a side order of mention of Jack A's links to Tom DeLay!
holy shit! is right. i'm tuning in for that one. the west coast thanks you.
jello |
10.01.05 - 9:43 pm | #
I'm liking the cast devourage a lot.
Sallyh
I tol you this one had real potential.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:43 pm | #
levels of perky
mistress perky
cheerleader perky
religious fanatic perky
A quick word on "coercion," since I missed the discussion earlier.
Rich people get "coerced" into giving testimony in accordance with the law. The clear implication: the law is for "lesser" (i.e., not as wealthy and influential) people.
Lesser mortals get subpoeaned. From the Latin for "under penalty."
There's a world of elitism in the assumption that a rich person's testimony should never be "coerced," while a lesser mortal's testimony is rightly "subpoenaed."
and i thought i was asking a stupid question.
jello |
10.01.05 - 9:44 pm | #
BTW, NYMary is feeling under the weather - a sinus infection, so she's just resting and watching the movie.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 9:45 pm | #
I thought something was funny, that's not the right page.
This is.
BlakNo1 |
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10.01.05 - 9:45 pm | #
I think Daschle had a lot to do with it. I wonder what it would have been like with a different majority leader.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:45 pm | #
"Does John Rhys Davies REALLY need the money?
watertiger
Escort services are really expensive; Republican demand has driven the price through the roof.
Sallyh"
Fucking Kerry. I supported him as passionately as I could and voted for him once he became the nominee, but I will always believe he was the absolute worst choice. Too bad parties like to stick with the status quo. Reason #4198741344 why I'm not beholden to any party.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:45 pm | #
BTW, NYMary is feeling under the weather - a sinus infection, so she's just resting and watching the movie.
Liveblogging is hard! It's hard work!
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:45 pm | #
I was sure I'd received mailings from Kerry saying he would vote "no".
BlakNo1 |
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10.01.05 - 9:46 pm | #
Frank Rick is right. This administration will go down in history as the dirtiest, crookedest, most scandal-ridden administration in history. It's really disgusting. They've stolen more money than any gang in history.
Hecate |
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10.01.05 - 9:46 pm | #
"Attention all passengers and crew! Do not let the chupacabra eat you! I repeat, do *not* let the chupacabra eat you!"
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:47 pm | #
I thought something was funny, that's not the right page.
This is.
I thought we were talking about the IWR, not Roberts. Uncannily similar votes, though...
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:47 pm | #
I thought the interlocutor was MM, but I could be mistaken -- the guy just makes power chutes -- came up with an idea -- not telegenic -- doesn't even do adds -- I admit, he looked like a fool -- I probably would myself in a similar situation
BTW -- I heard ab out a guy who walked away from the crash of a powerchute -- I asked HOW you can crash a powerchute (i.e., if the power goes out, you just parachute down) -- he didn't check the lines on one side -- somehow the tangled lines allowed him to take off but then one side of the chute collapsed & he spun down out of control -- the amazing thing is that he walked away (there are old pilots & bold pilots but no old, bold pilots)
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10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
scout prime --
I thought the interlocutor was MM, but I could be mistaken -- the guy just makes power chutes -- came up with an idea -- not telegenic -- doesn't even do adds -- I admit, he looked like a fool -- I probably would myself in a similar situation
BTW -- I heard ab out a guy who walked away from the crash of a powerchute -- I asked HOW you can crash a powerchute (i.e., if the power goes out, you just parachute down) -- he didn't check the lines on one side -- somehow the tangled lines allowed him to take off but then one side of the chute collapsed & he spun down out of control -- the amazing thing is that he walked away (there are old pilots & bold pilots but no old, bold pilots)
Prior Aelred |
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10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
i think daschle was a bad majority leader partly because he was vulnerable in his own state. reid is too, but he is doing a better job. i was disappointed in both kerry and mccain--i guess physical courage doesn't equal political courage.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
I thought we were talking about the IWR, not Roberts. Uncannily similar votes, though...
Shows what I get for not paying attention, or not reading the whole thread.
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10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
Boxer & Feinstein (CA Ds) voted Nay.
Clark/Boxer 08?
Left Lane |
10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
Cheney in trouble over Plame? Check out Raw Story.
Marisa |
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10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
"The mushroom treatment."
That was original.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:48 pm | #
I hate to jump in the middle of this long thread.
But, has anyone a link to any info on any investigation on WHO forged the so-called "Yellow Cake" documents?
She's a spunky little shroom.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:49 pm | #
Flory--I think it's well in hand--weather cooled and the winds died down today.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:49 pm | #
I think Daschle had a lot to do with it. I wonder what it would have been like with a different majority leader.
Well, Reid also voted yea, but maybe he was just being a good whip in that case. He certainly goes for the "loyal opposition" vote now that he's Majority Leader.
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10.01.05 - 9:49 pm | #
Fucking Kerry. I supported him as passionately as I could and voted for him once he became the nominee, but I will always believe he was the absolute worst choice.
I thought he was going to do OK.
My real sense of betrayal with Kerry comes from the fact that, since he wouldn't defend his own past in the anti-war movement, he opened up all of us to being slimed as unAmerican and extremist. He had a responsibility to defend the right of all of us to speak. He didn't.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:49 pm | #
BTW, NYMary is feeling under the weather - a sinus infection, so she's just resting and watching the movie.
watertiger
Thank heavens.
I thought fer sure you had her tied up in the basement with the 6 yr old.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:49 pm | #
So... Mr. Best-Insurance-You've-Got and Annoying Blonde Bimbo are going to be the Sole Survivor Couple?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:49 pm | #
The chupacabra is indigenous to Puerto Rico, you know
The sightings may have started out there, but now reports have come in from all over Central America and as far south as Peru. As a toonwriter, I have the great joy of being a professional follower of monster and wierd creature lore. Check out UFO Roundup here on the nets -- it's loaded with bizarre creatures I'd never heard of before.
I saw this movie when it was first on about a year ago. I was interested cause I pitched a chupacabra movie to the Sci Fi channel. They didn't buy it -- in mine the chupacabra was actually a "good" monster sent to Earth to track and kill a "bad" monster -- sorta like setting a mongoose on a cobra -- the chupa was found by some grad students, including a hot geologist babe. Sci Fi turned me down and then made this turkey.
I am also offended by the movie's sloppy monster lore -- one of the salient features of chupacabras is that they are supposed to be small, usually described as being three or four feet tall. As far as I know, there's no report of them ever attacking a human.
Toonscribe |
10.01.05 - 9:50 pm | #
Prior...I may be wrong but I thought Moore just put in a clip from CNN or other network segment of the parachute thingee.
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 9:50 pm | #
Hecate--I'd like to have some of that money back. Say, the money that went to the tax cuts of the ultrarich.
My taxes went up under Chimpy.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:50 pm | #
I will always believe [Kerry] was the absolute worst choice.
He didn't start out that way.
He earned that title.
Bob Shrum is the fucking George Costanza of political consultants, and any one of his several houses would kick my house's ass.
I don't understand it.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 9:50 pm | #
My real sense of betrayal with Kerry comes from the fact that, since he wouldn't defend his own past in the anti-war movement, he opened up all of us to being slimed as unAmerican and extremist. He had a responsibility to defend the right of all of us to speak. He didn't.
He said he would fight for us, but really didn't, particularly on the one big issue that was allegedly his strength: his military record. I had high hopes as well before the swiftboating began. He is an articulate man and generally I think on the right side of history, but he pussied out in the end.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
Too bad parties like to stick with the status quo. Reason #4198741344 why I'm not beholden to any party.
NTodd
If Donna Brazile or Bob Shrum or any of the rest of the 7 time losers is anywhere near the '06 or '08 campaigns -- I just might have to join you.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
NTodd, please visit my blog.
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
"Stormy petrol on a stick!"
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
Toons--the problem is that you were trying to do a QUALITY flick.
This is Scifi, for Chrissakes. Quality and Scifi do not converge
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
I drool ath the thought of CHeney being the leaker. How far would this administration fall if, indeed, it is cheney?
I could not see the bottom.
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10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
"I was sure I'd received mailings from Kerry saying he would vote 'no'."
Maybe he did say he would vate "no,"
before he decided to vote "yes." you must admitk Kerry is consistent in his behavior.
mike in pr |
10.01.05 - 9:52 pm | #
He said he would fight for us, but really didn't, particularly on the one big issue that was allegedly his strength: his military record. I had high hopes as well before the swiftboating began. He is an articulate man and generally I think on the right side of history, but he pussied out in the end.
I think the point at which I started to feel the Creeping Sense Of Doom was when he said he would vote for the war all over again, knowing then-then what he knew now-then.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:53 pm | #
If Donna Brazile or Bob Shrum...
EEEEEEK! Don't ever mention them in my presence again, or I'll...I'll, have to wear pants. On my head!
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10.01.05 - 9:53 pm | #
I think some part of the CIA forged them. And, that another part of the CIA knows that perfectly well.
One can only hope that the righteous part of the CIA is waaaay more effective than the stupid part.
Yellowcake Bake Sale |
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10.01.05 - 9:55 pm | #
So he's saying it's Chupaqaeda?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:55 pm | #
most of these political consultants/campaign managers are probably going to do better financially under republicans. and they keep getting rehired by democrats. it seems like there isn't a downside for bob shrum to run a shitty campaign.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:55 pm | #
wait, are you guys pulling my leg? did amw really mention delay? and did i miss the thread of that discussion?
jello |
10.01.05 - 9:55 pm | #
NTodd, please visit my blog.
CAROLINE!!!
She's mine! She can schedule my cooking shift on the farm ANYTIME. I will work hard for her. You just keep away from my darling Caroline.
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10.01.05 - 9:55 pm | #
Flory--I think it's well in hand--weather cooled and the winds died down today.
Sallyh
That's good. We got a marine layer up here as well last night. But it heated right up again this afternoon.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 9:55 pm | #
One can only hope that the righteous part of the CIA is waaaay more effective than the stupid part.
Check out this Digby poster's theory on what is going on with the Plame case.
res ipsa loquitur |
10.01.05 - 9:56 pm | #
Shrum just e-mailed Kerry:
I think the time is right to make your move now.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 9:56 pm | #
I saw her first!
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 9:56 pm | #
i thought it was italian cia who forged the yellowcake papers.
jello |
10.01.05 - 9:56 pm | #
I think they need Chupa GI Joe to fight Chupacobra.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:56 pm | #
I don't understand it.
Max Planck
Max, I've always ALWAYS maintained that he's a Republican mole. How else can anyone explain his wretched Dem campaigns?
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10.01.05 - 9:56 pm | #
He said he would fight for us, but really didn't, particularly on the one big issue that was allegedly his strength:
Are Al Gore's ears ringing?
monica_nyc |
10.01.05 - 9:57 pm | #
Quality and Scifi do not converge
Damn, Sallyh, how could I have forgotten that?
*slaps self up the side of the head and mutters "stupid... stupid... stupid..."*
I should have taken my cue from this guy I know -- one of the producers of Dracula 3000. Now he has made bad sci fi an art.
Toonscribe |
10.01.05 - 9:57 pm | #
He is an articulate man and generally I think on the right side of history, but he pussied out in the end.
I think it was simple overconfidence. He thought he was going to win. He was the Democratic version of Thomas E. Dewey.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:57 pm | #
those zany democrats.
gary in fl |
10.01.05 - 9:57 pm | #
holy shit, they just had the SunCruz/murders/Jack Abramof story on America's Most Wanted, with a side order of mention of Jack A's links to Tom DeLay
omg, that's important i think. that program goes right to gooberville -- so it's a legitimate crime and corruption story and not the liberal media bashing poor tom delay. the shit be piling up for bushco.
bkny |
10.01.05 - 9:57 pm | #
Max, I've always ALWAYS maintained that he's a Republican mole. How else can anyone explain his wretched Dem campaigns?
And who's the mole who keeps saying, "Hey, let's hire *that* guy" EVERY. SINGLE. ELECTION?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 9:58 pm | #
He is an articulate man and generally I think on the right side of history, but he pussied out in the end.
I think part of the problem was that Kerry is part of the elite.
I don't think he had any idea of how ugly the country got and he probably thought the Swiftboating would get laughed at.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 9:58 pm | #
i read somewhere that the forged documents came from the italian intelligence agency, whatever it is called. im not sure if they were passed through the cia or through that office in the pentagon under dough feith, that provided so much of the bogus intelligence on wmds.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 9:59 pm | #
I saw her first!
We must duel. I suggest a cookoff, since she's in charge of scheduling the cooking shifts. Ladels at 20 paces?
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 9:59 pm | #
holy shit, they just had the SunCruz/murders/Jack Abramof story on America's Most Wanted, with a side order of mention of Jack A's links to Tom DeLay
Cooler if it was on Cops.
Wouldn't mind seeing Dick Cheney dragged into a cruiser in a wife-beater...
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10.01.05 - 9:59 pm | #
The United States is exporting newborns by the hundreds and Canada is a preferred destination.
Most of the infants are African American or biracial; their birth mothers want them to be raised outside the United States and believe Canada is a land of little racial strife.
[...]
The practice of sending African-American infants abroad has attracted a wave of media attention in the United States, some of it unfavourable. Critics there say the United States should be embarrassed that the world's richest country is exporting African-American infants to Canada and Europe to be raised in cultures with far less defined black cultures.
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10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
I've always ALWAYS maintained that [Shrum] is a Republican mole.
Which makes Kerry look like fucking Einstein for completely turning over his campaign to him.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
He had a responsibility to defend the right of all of us to speak. He didn't.
SWR
Bingo!
We had a real chance to put Vietnam behind us once and for all. And to give ourselves some space for this current clusterfuck.
And he triangulated the chance away.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
The Rove Scandal Document Center has a complete collection of the essential PlameGate briefings, articles, statutes, timelines and more.
AvengingAngel |
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10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
EVERY. SINGLE. ELECTION?
I just do not believe he'll be anywhere near the next one
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
Oh boy, a Gruel-Off. Afterwards, she can take us to see The Leader to see which one of us must marry her.
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
But seriously, now that we know everything, well not everything, but we know enough scary truths about Bushit & Co. Wouldn't you rather McCain have won (between Shrub and McCain)?
negroponte-fication |
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But seriously, now that we know everything, well not everything, but we know enough scary truths about Bushit & Co. Wouldn't you rather McCain have won (between Shrub and McCain)?
negroponte-fication |
10.01.05 - 10:01 pm | #
Or maybe spatulas, since I can't spell 'ladle'. Yet I can spell 'dreidel'. Odd, that.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 10:01 pm | #
And he triangulated the chance away.
flory, Business Manager | Email | 10.01.05 - 10:00 pm | #
I think he needed to get down here to real 'Merka and see all those "911 Terrorist Hunting Permits" and "Jane Fonda Traitor Commie Bitch" bumper stickers.
I think he needed to realize how ugly the country had gotten. He needed to get off Beacon/Capitol Hill.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:01 pm | #
CAROLINE!!!
She's mine! She can schedule my cooking shift on the farm ANYTIME. I will work hard for her. You just keep away from my darling Caroline.
NTodd
*ahem*
I'll use those names again, I will....
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:01 pm | #
I just do not believe he'll be anywhere near the next one
Why not?
He's so *experienced*.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 10:01 pm | #
i thought it was italian cia who forged the yellowcake papers.
jello
Wouldn't doubt if it started with with the OSP fucks
Wouldn't you rather McCain have won (between Shrub and McCain)?
Hm. Does McCain bring The Cheney with him. Does it matter?
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10.01.05 - 10:02 pm | #
i dont see how kerry could have underestimated the effectiveness of the swiftboat campaign--republicans have been doing this effectively since reagan at least. some of his decisions didn't make any sense to me.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:02 pm | #
Wouldn't you rather McCain have won (between Shrub and McCain)?
Well, the poor Three Rivers parachute manufacturer was not only person embarrassed by F911 (nor should he have been -- nor the most culpable) & I believe there has been consdierable confusion about who voted for what when -- e.g., Iraq War, both Levin & Stabenow = Nay -- Roberts for Chief, Levin = Yea, Stabenow = Nay, Bankruptcy Levin = Nay, Stabenow = Yea -- I wanted all Nay all the time, but the alternative here would be an extreme right wing whack job who would always vote wrong!
But it is late & I must retire
G'nite bats -- see you after my sermon in the mornin'!
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10.01.05 - 10:02 pm | #
Well, the poor Three Rivers parachute manufacturer was not only person embarrassed by F911 (nor should he have been -- nor the most culpable) & I believe there has been consdierable confusion about who voted for what when -- e.g., Iraq War, both Levin & Stabenow = Nay -- Roberts for Chief, Levin = Yea, Stabenow = Nay, Bankruptcy Levin = Nay, Stabenow = Yea -- I wanted all Nay all the time, but the alternative here would be an extreme right wing whack job who would always vote wrong!
But it is late & I must retire
G'nite bats -- see you after my sermon in the mornin'!
Prior Aelred |
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10.01.05 - 10:02 pm | #
Somebody sometime is going to have to explain to me how, after O'Neill & the Swiftboat Liars were debunked and shown to be basically in the employ of BushCheney '04, *John Kerry* was supposed to prevent them from showing up on CSpan, Nightline & the Sinclair Broadcast Group (let alone every op-ed & letters to the editor page) right up to election day.
He tore the hide right off that cheapjack punk Bush face to face in three debates, so I'd say claiming he 'pussied out' is stretching things.
Sometimes I think you guys forget that while not everyone loves Bush the way Gary Ruppert does, a whole lot of people never will believe he's the monster we think he is. The campaign that I (and a lot of people here) wanted to see would have lost without Diebold assistance.
nick carraway |
10.01.05 - 10:03 pm | #
Fuck, even the Rethugs were starting to wonder why Kerry's campaign was in such a coma.
Goddammit, last year's election had a shload riding on it!
Win or lose, at least go out swinging.
Damn, I'm still pissed about that.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 10:03 pm | #
He's radioactive
His career should have ended at least 2-3 elections ago, but it didn't.
I don't know who gets his pictures and negatives for him, but they must be *damn* good.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 10:04 pm | #
she can take us to see The Leader to see which one of us must marry her.
You know, the founder died a while back, I wonder if whoever marries Caroline will be able to take over. Start putting poison in the gruel and stuff. I think a plan is forming in my mind...
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10.01.05 - 10:04 pm | #
He tore the hide right off that cheapjack punk Bush face to face in three debates, so I'd say claiming he 'pussied out' is stretching things.
He finessed Bush into looking like a fool instead of breaking his jaw.
And he never came out and defended his anti-war activism. He finessed it.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:04 pm | #
This is Scifi, for Chrissakes. Quality and Scifi do not converge,
aw, c'mon, not entirely fair or true-- Battlestar Galactica, after all. That's quality. And Firefly.
That's what, less than 1 percent of its programming....?
lavalamp |
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10.01.05 - 10:04 pm | #
Who wants it rare?
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 10:05 pm | #
Max, I've always ALWAYS maintained that he's a Republican mole. How else can anyone explain his wretched Dem campaigns?
Shaw Kenawe
there's a fat offshore acount somewhere with kerry's number on it, thanking him for taking a dive. the man married two heiresses. count 'em: one, two. this guy can be bought. probably got sick of teresa lording her money over him.
jello |
10.01.05 - 10:06 pm | #
He tore the hide right off that cheapjack punk Bush face to face in three debates, so I'd say claiming he 'pussied out' is stretching things.
I was pissed that he didn't decisively (or even non-decisively) repudiate his vote for the war, and that he didn't make Dubya's anti-terror ineptness a big issue (which I thought he would do when he hired Rand Beers) other than in, like, one debate?
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 10:06 pm | #
*ahem*
I'll use those names again, I will....
I'm sorry, but I feel compelled to join the Zendik Farms commune. It's like I got hit with those spores from that ST:TNG epi (This Side of Paradise?) or something. It's beyond my control.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 10:06 pm | #
Well you go ahead then. I have my own cunning plan involving Athenae and ferrets.
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:06 pm | #
I think it was simple overconfidence. He thought he was going to win. He was the Democratic version of Thomas E. Dewey.
SWR
I think it was more overanalyzing. He was being so damn careful not to piss off any potential voters that he ended up pissing off all the actual voters.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:06 pm | #
there's a fat offshore acount somewhere with kerry's number on it, thanking him for taking a dive.
That I don't believe. Once you get to the point where Kerry is, ego takes over. No WAY in hell Kerry wanted to go down in history as losing to Bush.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:08 pm | #
I think it was more overanalyzing. He was being so damn careful not to piss off any potential voters that he ended up pissing off all the actual voters.
flory, Business Manager
You got it. Just what I thought
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:08 pm | #
Is there any reason for the dim blonde to even be in this movie?
WHile studying it rare or other, I invite true mucic lovers to listen t real music at blainesprouse.com. THis is true, applaccian music as our forefathers played it, I would say. Enjoy and please let me know what you think!
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I'm sorry, but I feel compelled to join the Zendik Farms commune.
God. I saw those people all over DC selling T-shirts.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:08 pm | #
Prior, I checked that site and Levin voted nay.
DWD |
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10.01.05 - 10:08 pm | #
Prior, I checked that site and Levin voted nay.
DWD |
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10.01.05 - 10:08 pm | #
Oh, there's a difference:
Death by firing squad (McCain)
Death by slow torture (Shrub)
negroponte-fication |
10.01.05 - 10:08 pm | #
Is there any reason for the dim blonde to even be in this movie?
spork, Firefly's on SciFi Friday nights- does that count for some quality points?
lavalamp |
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10.01.05 - 10:09 pm | #
Well, better to die fighting a chupacabra than in a senseless war for oil.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 10:09 pm | #
I'm sorry, but I feel compelled to join the Zendik Farms commune.
Uh, huh.
And if Caroline moved to Waco?
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:09 pm | #
And the Dem organization in '04 sucked compared to Repugs. Sorry but based on what I saw I think that is true
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:09 pm | #
I have my own cunning plan involving Athenae and ferrets.
Oh. See, I was hoping to invite Athenae to join the commune, too. I figure we need a ferret wrangler. And I was think Janeane Garofalo could do our radio show with me. And now that Paris Hilton is available, I now have a notion of asking her to be our fashion designer for next season's anti-war t-shirts...
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 10:10 pm | #
democrats keep making the same mistake over and over--sitting on the fence, going for the middle wherever they imagine it to be. listening to political advice from the same people that keep losing campaigns.
pretzelattack |
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NEW YORK (AP) _ For the second time in recent months, the dean of New York's congressional delegation has questioned whether Vice President Dick Cheney is fit for the duties of his office.
In an interview in August on NY1, the New York City-based all-news channel, Rep. Charles Rangel suggested that Cheney might be too sick to perform his job.
On Friday evening, Rangel was asked in a follow-up talk on the station if he thought Cheney should step down.
"He should never have stepped up in the first place," Rangel said. "He's too old for the job and doesn't have the experience."
Later in Friday's interview, Rangel finished off a list of problems he had with Bush administration policies by adding: "I would like to believe he's sick rather than just mean and evil."
She wouldn't do that. And if she did, I probably would have to follow here. Where else would I get my t-shirts?
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 10:11 pm | #
central casting came up with kerry the "opposition candidate".
gary in fl |
10.01.05 - 10:11 pm | #
And THIS is why gambling is a sin.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 10:11 pm | #
There comes a time when "smart" politics gets thrown aside.
When Dukakis was asked about the raping of his own wife.
When McCain was push-polled for being an addled philanderer with a druggy wife.
When Kerry was charged with treason.
You stop running for office at that goddamned point and you start eviscerating the person who makes the charge and his whole fucking bloodline.
Oh. See, I was hoping to invite Athenae to join the commune, too. I figure we need a ferret wrangler. And I was think Janeane Garofalo could do our radio show with me. And now that Paris Hilton is available, I now have a notion of asking her to be our fashion designer for next season's anti-war t-shirts...
NTodd
Now you're gonna make me cry.....
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:12 pm | #
I also took a pic of Paris Hilton at Fashion Week. And once I saw Janeane Garofalo walking two giant dobermans in the West Village. So nyah nyah nyah.
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:13 pm | #
You stop running for office at that goddamned point and you start eviscerating the person who makes the charge and his whole fucking bloodline.
Exactly what Clinton did to Jerry Brown when Brown attacked Hillary.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:13 pm | #
Jeffrey is an hors d'oeuvre
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 10:13 pm | #
Quentin Compson ...I love Rangell and the whole Black Caucus...They are the only pols who are really fighting the good fight
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:13 pm | #
We're fighting the chupacabras in the casinos so we don't have to fight them here.
The Kenosha Kid |
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im not sure if they were passed through the cia or through that office in the pentagon under dough feith, that provided so much of the bogus intelligence on wmds.
pretzelattack
They were given to an Italian journalist by a private individual.
democrats keep making the same mistake over and over--sitting on the fence, going for the middle wherever they imagine it to be. listening to political advice from the same people that keep losing campaigns.
pretzelattack
Y'know I could see trying this demonstratably unsuccessful strategy again in the second, or third...or maybe even fourth...election cycle.
But SEVEN FUCKING TIMES IN A ROW??!!!?!??!
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:15 pm | #
That I don't believe. Once you get to the point where Kerry is, ego takes over. No WAY in hell Kerry wanted to go down in history as losing to Bush.
SWR
oh no? when it was getting down the wire, in the days before the election, his campaign begged for money. said it was needed to pay for extra lawyers in case they needed to contest the election. promised to fight if there was even a hint of fraud.
but did he do that? noooo. he didn't fight. he took a few extra hours before conceding for appearances sake, just to make it look like the votes were being considered.
a ego driven kerry would have fought it out.
jello |
10.01.05 - 10:15 pm | #
and wtf is feingold doing voting for roberts?
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:15 pm | #
We're fighting the chupacabras in the casinos so we don't have to fight them here.
You fight the chupacabras with the SWAT team you have...
Eli |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:16 pm | #
Now you're gonna make me cry.....
Everybody's welcome at the New and Improved Zendik Farms! It's just that I needed people with particular talents to fill some rather large personnel gaps. Now that I think of it, we will need a business manager. I expect t-shirt sales to skyrocket once I come up with a business plan.
I also took a pic of Paris Hilton at Fashion Week. And once I saw Janeane Garofalo walking two giant dobermans in the West Village. So nyah nyah nyah.
I might have to start using the Eli Gambit, and quietly ignore you from now on...
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 10:16 pm | #
She wouldn't do that. And if she did, I probably would have to follow here. Where else would I get my t-shirts?
NTodd
So much for those thetans calling you to the commune....
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:16 pm | #
Who that was and where they came from....
But their legacy remains... Hewn... into the livin' rock... of Stone'enge.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 10:17 pm | #
We're fighting the chupacabras in the casinos so we don't have to fight them here.
and wtf is feingold doing voting for roberts?
pretzelattack
As a constituent it pissed me off.
I just hope he's going to go balls to the wall on the next nominee...otherwise forget about it
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:18 pm | #
I also took a pic of Paris Hilton at Fashion Week. And once I saw Janeane Garofalo walking two giant dobermans in the West Village. So nyah nyah nyah.
I saw Julia Stiles at the Union Square Market and Patti Smith walking down Sixth Ave.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:18 pm | #
But SEVEN FUCKING TIMES IN A ROW??!!!?!??!
yeah, i mean what other job do you keep rewarding people that lose all the time? coaches get fired. doctors get sued for malpractice and barred from hospitals. salesman starve or go to work at burger king. it really does look more like wwf, or the team that always lost to the harlem globetrotters--thats showbiz.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:18 pm | #
*wonders if it's possible to blame someone and ignore them at the same time...*
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 10:18 pm | #
Left for awhile, come back and the troll shit is even thicker.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 10:18 pm | #
I was in the White Horse Tavern with watertiger, NYMary and Thersites, and Ron Perlman walked in. I didn't recognize him.
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:19 pm | #
oh no? when it was getting down the wire, in the days before the election, his campaign begged for money. said it was needed to pay for extra lawyers in case they needed to contest the election. promised to fight if there was even a hint of fraud.
What really pissed me off was learning subsequently that the campaign was sitting on $45 million while going begging. And generally sucking wind during the month of August. WTF were they waiting for exactly? Never did get a good answer to that.
JeffCO |
10.01.05 - 10:20 pm | #
I was in the White Horse Tavern with watertiger, NYMary and Thersites, and Ron Perlman walked in. I didn't recognize him.
Dude is shorter than I thought he'd be.
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 10:20 pm | #
i thought it was italian cia who forged the yellowcake papers.
You mean I've been working with a forged recipe? Dammit!
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 10:20 pm | #
*wonders if it's possible to blame someone and ignore them at the same time...*
Eli
anything is possible on the internets...
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:20 pm | #
yeah, i mean what other job do you keep rewarding people that lose all the time?
Wasn't it Michael Moore who said members of Congress/Senate have better chance of re-election than members of Politboro??
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:21 pm | #
there's a fat offshore acount somewhere with kerry's number on it, thanking him for taking a dive.
No, there are offshore accounts paying off the powers that be in Florida and Ohio.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
10.01.05 - 10:21 pm | #
Thetans...t-shirts...what's the difference?
NTodd
$19.95 at Cafe Press.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:21 pm | #
Crypto-guy es muy macho.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 10:21 pm | #
I bet that blond chick ends up drugged and hauled over some guys shoulder a LOT.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 10:22 pm | #
Watertiger--I REALLY find the gigolo disturbing.
When does he get eaten?
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 10:22 pm | #
I think this blond chick would make better bait if she had corn oil poured all over her. Chupacabras dig that.
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 10:24 pm | #
i dont think the democrats had anything to lose by fighting the roberts nomination all out. i think the next nominee is going to be somebody completely unacceptable like priscilla owens, and im not even sure the democrats will take it to a filibuster (assuming those "moderate republicans let them, however that deal is supposed to work).
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:24 pm | #
She needs to jiggle her way out of those ropes.. oh yeah, that's the stuff...
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:25 pm | #
I saw Julia Stiles at the Union Square Market and Patti Smith walking down Sixth Ave. SWR
A few years ago I saw Cabaret with Jennifer Jason Leigh and Blair Brown, and Julia Roberts sat a few feet away at the next table. Everyone tried very hard not to stare.
I also got a picture with Dana Delaney when she appeared at a Clinton fundraiser back in '92. She even autographed my voter registration card.
A group of armed Americans began patrolling part of the 49th parallel Saturday, saying they'll be keeping an eye on those who illegally cross into the U.S. from British Columbia.
They're members of the Minuteman organization -- a private group that says Washington isn't doing enough to secure their country's borders.
Already operating along the Mexico-Arizona border, the group says it will target drug dealers, suspected terrorists and illegal immigrants who try to cross into the U.S. from B.C.
Retired Marine Corps officer Tom Williams heads the local branch of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps in Deming, Wash. He'll be leading roughly 20 minutemen who will set up several "observation posts" along the border between Sumas and Blaine.
gasoline addict |
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10.01.05 - 10:25 pm | #
Flory--are you kidding? This is a cultural watermark!
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 10:25 pm | #
NORMAN, Okla. - A person was found dead outside the University of Oklahoma on Saturday and police were investigating the possibility that an explosive device was involved.
University Police Sergeant Gary Robinson said there was one fatality but didn't immediately identity the person found dead near the school's Botany-Microbiology building, located on the west side of the Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.
Some attending Saturday's Oklahoma-Kansas State football game heard a loud boom just before the second quarter but saw no smoke or detected any odor. Robinson had no reports of other injuries or if the building was occupied
lavalamp |
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10.01.05 - 10:25 pm | #
And the Dem organization in '04 sucked compared to Repugs. Sorry but based on what I saw I think that is true ~ scout prime
The Kerry "campaign" dedcided to pull out of Missouri while Edwards was making a speech there.
So a chupacabra is fooled by nets made of parsley?
Thers |
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10.01.05 - 10:26 pm | #
I think this blond chick would make better bait if she had corn oil poured all over her. Chupacabras dig that.
I prefer maple syrup...
NTodd |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:26 pm | #
So are we liveblogging Two Weeks' Notice?
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:26 pm | #
the envelope please.
riiip.
the winner for best performance as an opposition party is.....
gary in fl |
10.01.05 - 10:27 pm | #
A group of armed Americans began patrolling part of the 49th parallel Saturday, saying they'll be keeping an eye on those who illegally cross into the U.S. from British Columbia.
Oh please let some Blaine WA drugdealers shoot their heads off.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:28 pm | #
Edwards was peesed.
Just what was the fucking role of Edwards anyway????
They totally mis-used him.
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:28 pm | #
" I saw Julia Stiles at the Union Square Market and Patti Smith walking down Sixth Ave." -- SWR
I saw Rachel Dratch walking her dog in Chelsea. How impressive am I?
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:28 pm | #
Funny how a little 'ol tranquilizer dart took it out in the beginning, yet heavy machine gun fire doesn't faze it now.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 10:28 pm | #
Just what was the fucking role of Edwards anyway????
He was the nice, non-threatening one.
Eli |
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10.01.05 - 10:29 pm | #
I know it was like 600 comments ago but thanks res for posting the Frank Rich.
I was with him up to that last paragraph.
I lost whatever respect I had for McCain when he voted for Gonzales.
He's a cheap whore like the rest of them.
HoneyBearKelly. |
10.01.05 - 10:29 pm | #
I saw Rachel Dratch walking her dog in Chelsea. How impressive am I?
I don't even know who she is.
Patti Smith was with some hunky young guy in his 20s.
Now what was that Patti Smith sighting again?
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:29 pm | #
I saw Rachel Dratch walking her dog in Chelsea.
I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.
Central Scrutinizer |
10.01.05 - 10:30 pm | #
Just what was the fucking role of Edwards anyway????
I thought he should have made more of his earlier, funnier speeches.
JeffCO |
10.01.05 - 10:30 pm | #
Patti Smith, hunky young guy, 5.7
Julia Stiles, 5.5
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:30 pm | #
Now what was that Patti Smith sighting again?
Spring Street and the corner of 6th Ave.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:30 pm | #
He was the nice, non-threatening one.
He should have been an attack dog. Let him loose.....your worst fucking nitemare.
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:30 pm | #
A group of armed Americans began patrolling part of the 49th parallel Saturday, saying they'll be keeping an eye on those who illegally cross into the U.S. from British Columbia.
oh grand we have militarized contactors in new orleans, private jails all over the place, and the klan and the minutemen patrolling the borders. i havent felt this safe since brownie headed fema.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:30 pm | #
"He was the nice, non-threatening one." -- Eli
I was always afraid he would try to hug me, so he was a little threatening.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:31 pm | #
I saw Kathleen Hanna and one of the Sleater Kinney women on St. Marks Pl.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:31 pm | #
"I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's." --
Central Scrutinizer
I saw a guy get sprayed on by a tiger. But you all have heard that before.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:31 pm | #
They totally mis-used him. ~ scout prime
Agreed.
Hees happy shiny face, eet should have been all over the televisor eenstead of stump-eeng thru the Red States, out of camera range.
Kerry and Edwards were way too courtly and deferential during the debates.
A smidgen of anger would have gone a long way.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 10:32 pm | #
Just what was the fucking role of Edwards anyway????
He was supposed to hang around, scrap for a second Senate term, and be the presumptive nominee down the road.
Until they floated him out there during his reelection year, fucking up the future of a Dem I actually liked.
Jay C. |
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10.01.05 - 10:33 pm | #
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix...
"I saw Julia Stiles at the Union Square Market and Patti Smith walking down Sixth Ave." -- SWR
My daughter waited on Mike Myers, and he told her all about the toxic mold in his house. Am I vicariously impressive?
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:33 pm | #
So... now he's a dragolo?
Eli |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:33 pm | #
I also took a pic of Paris Hilton at Fashion Week. And once I saw Janeane Garofalo walking two giant dobermans in the West Village. So nyah nyah nyah.
I saw Julia Stiles at the Union Square Market and Patti Smith walking down Sixth Ave.
SWR
I have some dirt from the boots of Joel Cohen.
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QuentinCompson |
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10.01.05 - 10:33 pm | #
I know this may not be popular but I liked Edwards.
His speech on 2 Americas was spot on.
And since the election he has been working on poverty. Who else was talking about poverty before Katrina???
I just like the guy.
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:33 pm | #
A smidgen of anger would have gone a long way.
Max Planck | Email | 10.01.05 - 10:32 pm | #
Edwards should have lulled Cheney into a false sense of confidence while Dean snuck up behind him and yelled "YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA" and gave Cheney a heart attack.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:33 pm | #
Eli and Watertiger--do let Thersites know I'm cooking bacon.
Sallyh |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:34 pm | #
flory,
no, not really.
watertiger
Flory--are you kidding? This is a cultural watermark!
Sallyh
Now I'm confused.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:35 pm | #
what city should you live in? take the quiz (written for women)
gasoline addict |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:35 pm | #
I like bacon.
Thers |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:36 pm | #
Fat Boys. A Train. 5.9
The Kenosha Kid |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:36 pm | #
Edwards should have lulled Cheney into a false sense of confidence while Dean snuck up behind him and yelled "YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA" and gave Cheney a heart attack.
SWR
Cheney's the only important guy with heart trouble who when there's an emergency, the guys run in with the paddles and shock a bystander.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 10:36 pm | #
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night.
JeffCO |
10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
So when is President Bush going to send the Chupacabra to the Middle East to improve our image abroad?
watertiger |
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10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
We need Frankenfish to take care of the lifeboats.
"Thread more than thou showest, thread less than thou knowest, thread less than thou owest."
Thread too long and starting to blowest.
Sallyh |
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10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
I was totally sold on Edwards. Genuinely pissed that he might not be coming back in some role, since his wife's sick and he's got plenty of $$ as is.
Since he was my senator in law school, I got a chance to defuse all those evil-trial-lawyer arguments early on.
They used one of his closing arguments as the example of the perfect argument in our trial practice classes. He was absolutely riveting in the courtroom.
Evening, good bats! Are you all watching some horrible sci-fi movie?
mena |
10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
i saw an article by David Mamet, comparing the democrats to bad poker players, constantly calling but never raising or checkraising, always on the defensive. it made sense.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
A group of armed Americans began patrolling part of the 49th parallel Saturday, saying they'll be keeping an eye on those who illegally cross into the U.S. from British Columbia.
Yep. Them Canadians are just itching to break into these here United States.
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
I once saw the Fat Boys on the A train.
Knowing my luck I would have been sitting between two of them while the third one sat in my lap.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:38 pm | #
"Until they floated him out there during his reelection year, fucking up the future of a Dem I actually liked." -- Jay C.
I saw Edwards speak not too long ago, well after the election so maybe he had lost a little mojo. I like his politics, I like his ideas, I would be lying if I said I wouldn't vote for him. But he is a bit smarmy, and I'm not just speaking from the perspective of NYC.
I saw Kerry speak at Cooper Union. Much crisper, more dynamic (no, I wasn't drinking). The media totally screwed Kerry.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:38 pm | #
(I wonder what's up with that Oklahoma bombing story)
The Kenosha Kid |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:38 pm | #
Thersites--thought that would get your attention.
Sallyh |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:38 pm | #
What's this about Gabo?
Chupacabra |
10.01.05 - 10:38 pm | #
Yep. Them Canadians are just itching to break into these here United States.
flory, Business Manager | Email | 10.01.05 - 10:37 pm | #
What it means is that they're going to harass Chinese trying to cross the border and threaten Mexican migrant farm workers.
Hopefully since WA is a relatively liberal state they'll get harassed the way they got harassed here in NJ get sick of it and leave.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:39 pm | #
You can't just declare yourself the winner. The Supreme Court or something has to do that.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:40 pm | #
Chupacabra: Dark Seas
The Kenosha Kid |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:40 pm | #
Gigolos? Celebrities? Looks like a happening.
mena |
10.01.05 - 10:40 pm | #
I saw Kerry speak at Cooper Union
I saw him speak 2 x's in WI and I have to say he was a disappointment. He was in front of a friendly crowd and just didn't make an inpression
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:41 pm | #
I like bacon.
Bacon has only been proven to be bad for the health of the hog.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 10:41 pm | #
I like bacon.
Thers
The things you learn on the internets...
Hi, mena!
Its saturday night -- what do you think we're doing?
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:41 pm | #
"I win." -- Thers
You can't just declare yourself the winner. The Supreme Court or something has to do that.
Wait, did I miss some ad hominem action?
Eli |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:41 pm | #
saw him speak 2 x's in WI and I have to say he was a disappointment. He was in front of a friendly crowd and just didn't make an inpression
Best poltical speach I've ever seen.
Lady Bunny at Wigstock.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:42 pm | #
Evening, good bats! Are you all watching some horrible sci-fi movie?
mena | Email | 10.01.05 - 10:37 pm
I'm watching Closer on Cinemax.
So yeah.
HoneyBearKelly. |
10.01.05 - 10:42 pm | #
Best political speech I've ever seen: Al Gore at the conference on the political uses of fear. Got a fab reception as well.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:44 pm | #
Safe, predictable routine is the foundation of a great relationship.
mena
Eschaton will never fall!!!!
flory, Business Manager |
10.01.05 - 10:44 pm | #
Best political speech I've ever seen: Al Gore at the conference on the political uses of fear. Got a fab reception as well.
But did he mock fundi Xtians, Muslims and Jewish settlers in between jokes about his coke addiction while defending Pamela Anderson?
SWR |
10.01.05 - 10:46 pm | #
"I saw Tracee Ellis Ross in a deli near Union Square a couple months ago; she's tiny." -- monica_nyc
I saw Emilio Estevez in a Mrs. Gooch's in Redondo Beach.
Too retro for you?
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison |
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10.01.05 - 10:46 pm | #
a grilled cheese and bacon sandwich is satisfying.
pretzelattack |
10.01.05 - 10:46 pm | #
Hetero puke!
Wrapped in bacon!
NTodd
===
Still won't wear pants, will you?
mena |
10.01.05 - 10:46 pm | #
deep fried and then wrapped in bacon. with bacon ganache.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 10.01.05 - 10:43 pm | #
Okay, that's my outfit.....
steve simels |
10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
Well, hate-filled moonbat hetero pukes. I gotta bail. The early bird gets the bacon, and all that. Watch out for goat fuckers...er, suckers.
NTodd |
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10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
S. Epatha Merkerson is wonderful in "Lackawanna Blues."
monica_nyc |
10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
edwards is the DLC's version of a populist. all image not supported by policy. he's slick like clinton.
Why then would he go out and make talking about poverty his focus?
Sorry I think there is some substance to the man
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
I like bacon.
"Bacon on Bacon" was Bob Dylan's masterpiece during his foodstuffs period.
Richard |
10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
I don't dig on swine
matthew |
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10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
Still won't wear pants, will you?
Only if they're made of bacon.
And now I'm really going...
NTodd |
Homepage |
10.01.05 - 10:47 pm | #
Why do I think that the strip poker game scheduled for later at Chez Thers will be played for bacon instead of clothing?
JeffCO |
10.01.05 - 10:49 pm | #
The balding dude will die.
Max Planck |
10.01.05 - 10:49 pm | #
Only real men insist on salt-encrusted bacon.
I'm a vegetarian so I don't eat bacon. What does that make me?
I saw Emilio Estevez in a Mrs. Gooch's in Redondo Beach.
And there's a PATTI SMITH song called Redondo Beach, which brings us to ... Kevin BACON!
The Kenosha Kid |
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10.01.05 - 10:52 pm | #
a lawyer interested in poverty would have been dedicated to doing pro bono work. edwards wasn't known for that.
jello |
10.01.05 - 10:53 pm | #
jello ... yes. But he used what "capital" he gained after the election to work on this issue. I respect that
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:57 pm | #
I've seen speeches by Robert F. Kennedy, and Stokley Carmichael. Dean and Clark and Carville.
The best speech I've ever seen was Al Gore, at a Jefferson-Jackson dinner in 1988. Well crafted, delivered well, built to thundery climax, owned the audience. Mike Espy sat at our table in the back; he worked in our SoS office back then. We were all impressed.
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QuentinCompson |
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10.01.05 - 10:57 pm | #
QuentinCompson ...it is something to see/hear a Great Speech, no?
scout prime |
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10.01.05 - 10:58 pm | #
Stokley Carmichael, also known as Kwame Ture.
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QuentinCompson |
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10.01.05 - 10:59 pm | #
I'm back. didja miss me?
You'll be happy to know my wife told Friends of Kerry to fuck the fuck off when they called looking for spare change tonite....
sunzoo |
10.01.05 - 11:01 pm | #
Scount, no? Yes. They go with the time, and in these times there should be some pretty good ones brewing. I haven't seen him, but I think Edwards has a little of the Clinton thing where if you're in the room, there's a definite connection, which also means the ideas connect. That was how the press tried to explain Clinton's success in the '92 primaries when they were depicting such a bad image of him. Like, 'to listen to us, he's going nowhere, but if you happen to actually see him, you'd probably vote for him'.
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QuentinCompson |
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10.01.05 - 11:07 pm | #
Worst Al Gore speech I ever heard about: the one he gave in New York City about global warming. On the coldest day ever recorded there.
Toby Petzold |
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10.01.05 - 11:31 pm | #
sallyh,
i had to bail on the bennet thread. couldn't stomache the racism. but then i went back and read about what you're doing with parents. that's so cool. innovative programs that challenge the status quo...i so admire that.
jello |
10.01.05 - 11:36 pm | #
toby, remember how you and your ilk laughed when hans blix said he was worried more about global warming than terrorism.
katrina and rita were worse than 9/11. still laughing? you guys owe blix an apology.
jello |
10.01.05 - 11:41 pm | #
Worst Al Gore speech I ever heard about: the one he gave in New York City about global warming. On the coldest day ever recorded there.
Yes. Of course, since it's cold on one day, there's no such thing as global warming.
I wonder what it means that we've just gone through the hottest summer in recorded history.
SWR |
10.01.05 - 11:56 pm | #
You can find docs on Tom Delay's indictment and other info on TRMPAC here: