I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
One must always get people who are against you.
One must always get people who are against you.
No questions in the court house, said the Marshall, as he was escorting Karl Rove past reporters.
and again *at least*
Great link, Atrios! When was Part one?
I've been thinking about that too, who was it that first suggested that? Somebody did.
Anyway, if Fitz is on the "forgery" angle (and why wouldn't he look into that) then this thing is going to blow up huge.
Amazing if that happens, how flat-footed the press has been, let alone the fiction-based entity known as the right-wing.
Funny, I was thinking about this earlier. Usually they know if they ignore something or dismiss it as trivial, people will forget about it.
Ha, but not this time.
res,
If I do, I'll take you up on your kind offer, or some fraction thereof.
attaturk,
I hope Mr. Wilson stays away from small planes....
Where did Fitzgerald go to law school?
attaturk,
I hope Mr. Wilson stays away from small planes....
NYMary
That danger has passed, I worry that Fitz and his staff will all get on the same plane.
driftglass ...
Okey dokey. Go for the ferry. My fave thing to do with folks in from out of the town -- and the price is right, i.e., FREE! Whee!
I hope Mr. Wilson stays away from small planes....
Rove's cunning plan: to pin Wilson's demise in a small plame, er...plane on his wife.
Where did Fitzgerald go to law school?
res ipsa loquitur
I suppose I could look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was Harvard.
we had a little eschaton-west meeting today, tokyo terri, ceabaird, and ben goshi, and "others"
I'm pretty sure it was Harvard.
Is Harvard any good?
pictures later
Fitz is from Harvard Law School.
we had a little eschaton-west meeting today, tokyo terri, ceabaird, and ben goshi, and "others"
Any pictures?
Possibly. Possibly.
Don't forget the bile that is generated by sheer malice when it's perceived by petty, fearful people. People, like Wilson, who are big and strong and casually brave scare people like Rove to death - just by existing. The normal reaction then is to attack, and attack without restraint because it is believe that *this* is the way things are done. Policy disagreements become acts of personal sabotage and are escalated accordingly.
Just saying.
MSM said amherst then harvard
dunno if it is true
pictures later
Heh.
Philosophical Question of the Morning:
Who is creepier-looking than Larry Kudlow?
I'm pretty sure it was Harvard.
Is Harvard any good?
NTodd
Well its no "University of Iowa College of Law" but its okay. 
i didnt wear pants
res,
We guessed this: A solidly built former rugby player who enjoyed getting muddy and bloody well into his twenties, Fitzgerald is nothing but confident in his own skin. Just as he does not fear bin Laden, he seems to fret little that he is now tangling simultaneously with the Bush White House and the New York Times, two of the nation's most powerful and privileged institutions.
And, yes, Harvard Law.
I'm pretty sure it was Harvard.
Is Harvard any good?
It's the second-best law school in Texas!
post profile of FITZ in feb:
A Phi Beta Kappa math and economics student at Amherst before earning a Harvard law degree in 1985, he has a gift for solving puzzles and simplifying complexity for a jury.
He's no slouch at stagecraft, either. At the trial of a Mafia hit man, the defense argued that a ski mask -- part of what Fitzgerald called a "hit kit" that included surgical gloves, a gun and hollow-point bullets -- was really just a hat. (The defense also said the surgical gloves were for putting ointment on the defendant's ailing dog.) During closing arguments, Fitzgerald startled the jury by rolling up one leg on his lawyerly dark suit.
What puzzles me, and I'm hoping that the Grand Jury figures it out, is why, after the senate had abdicated its responsibilities and gave Bush all the war powers he wanted, and after Iraq was invaded, the regime went to so lengths to get Wilson.
Maybe it is because the source of the forgeries on the Niger-yellow cake issue is traceable to the White House, but that seems quite a long shot, especially given the state of the press in this country.
Well its no "University of Iowa College of Law" but its okay.
How does it rank with the school I attended that's advertised in matchbooks?
i didnt wear pants
That's the only fashionable way to attend those events.
so i'm told
One must always get people who are against you.
NTodd
Thus the list.
Well its no "University of Iowa College of Law" but its okay.
How does it rank with the school I attended that's advertised in matchbooks?
NTodd
"Indict Lucky"? *
*this may be too obscure.
is creepier-looking than Larry Kudlow?
Kudlow's teevee partner, Cramer, who is as big a blowhard as they come, but not a total fucking asshole (and not a Repuke), is seriously bearish. Is preparing for Fredo's coming economic crisis.
I've only been a regular reader of their work for the last month or so, but Reddhedd and Jane Hamsher at firedoglake have been must reading on all things Plamegate.
Many kudos to them.
Thus the list.
At the top of mine: people who have too many ponies.
NYMary ... YES on the hanging out over turkee weekend.
Fitz: Regis, Amherst, Harvard, Oy.
Can we take a collection to get Daniel Schorr a new set of teeth? Please? His dentures are actually clacking now.
Fitz: Regis, Amherst, Harvard, Oy.
Fitz is a Regis boy?!
"Indict Lucky"? *
*this may be too obscure.
Lucky strikes?
At the top of mine: people who have too many ponies.
NTodd
Pony envy: list.
NYMary
Can I link to a pic of you?
Papal Bull,
Yeah, but George Clooney is certainly nice to listen to.
And so friggin' smart.
Does she fuck?
See! I told you watertiger loved Regis boys! (And they returned the favor.)
re the source of the yellowcake forgeries, Draco posited the other day it was michael ledeen and a couple of former cia agents. he sent me a link but damned if i can find it now. talkleft, maybe? anyway, i can certainly believe it's ledeen, but that just begs the question: who ordered up the forgeries from ledeen? my sense is that it's the whigs--if they couldn't find the evidence of wmd, then by god they'd invent it. and if fitz could demonstrate that, he deserves a whole chestful of medals. but it seems too much to hope for.
oh, and good morning from monsoon country.
Pony envy: list.
Refresh my recollection - how many do you have now?
QL,
Sure. I have no pride.
Why would anyone namesteal NTod when he's right here?
Yup, firedoglake was writing about this a few days ago. It just may be that the entire idea was to discredit Plame who was getting close to revealing the treasonous behavior of these ass clowns. Wilson was a byproduct.
*this may be too obscure.
Hardly. I always wondered about that Art School in Minnesota.
Diane,
I dunno. A lot of things I was skeptical about two weeks ago seem possible now.
all this background talk about fitzgerald, and i just realized he's everything tweety and fat tim pretend to be -- the irish-catholic working class kid, who worked his way through college. it must really gall them to have to answer to him.
See! I told you watertiger loved Regis boys! (And they returned the favor.)
Love 'em - I LIVED with 3 of 'em in college!
I've only been a regular reader of their work for the last month or so, but Reddhedd and Jane Hamsher at firedoglake have been must reading on all things Plamegate.
Their knowledge of Plamegate is a marvel. I spent most of last weekend reading firedoglake until my eyes were ready to close. Great stuff.
For what I hope is the LAST time:
It is NOT "Plamegate."
It is "the Plame Affair."
I'm sick of that bullshit -gate suffix getting thrown onto every scandal.
Wow,
Hector just killed Ajax, funny that.
watertiger,
Yep. I'm a straight man, and I'd be honored to let George Clooney screw me.
deluxe sampo,
Is that Michael "find a small country and kick the shit out of it for morale" Ledeen?
Casual inquiry into one's status vis-a-vis the list: list?
Um, is there a way to have a previous post deleted?
Pony envy: list.
List: top of the list.
Does she fuck?
When have I ever used language like that?
wt - he has none that came from the HK electronics fair.
and i'm hoping the lb0313 wakes up from the stasis chamber to find news of a full dance card of indictments.
deluxe sampo:
Monsoon Country is us!
Man did it rain last night in the Boston/Cambridge area.
But considering we haven't had any raging floods pass by the house, we count ourselves lucky!
Watertiger,
I have a great pic of you from Eschacon. Okay if I post it?
I don't *think* I'm on the list, but then I never checked.
Casual inquiry into one's status vis-a-vis the list: list?
The list!
I'm sick of that bullshit -gate suffix getting thrown onto every scandal.
Suffixgate!
GWPDA,
Thank you very much.
tectonic
QL,
If it gets me more fan mail, sure!
(sorry - got too much sleep)
ledeen speculation was on alternet, not talkleft. ultimately, the source of the ledeen theory is vincent cannistraro, a former cia big shot. my coding skills n'existent pas, but here's the alternet link for thems what's interested:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21704/
When have I ever used language like that?
When you were growing up.
Watching Troy, kent?
I don't *think* I'm on the list, but then I never checked.
That qualifies you for the list.
yup amherst and harvard and summa... whatever its called at both.
rugby...now i know we are gonna see some shit fly. rugby is played by guys who like to have their front teeth knocked out and if it doesn't happen on the field they just might take a ball pean hammer to them themselves to see if they can not flinch...
When have I ever used language like that?
When you were growing up.
I grew up?
Who is creepier-looking than Larry Kudlow?
I dunno, the new pope?
It is "the Plame Affair."
How about:
The Plame Incident
The Plame Debacle
The Plame Cluster Fuck
I just figured out how to post pics to my blog, which will only be used for quilting related stuff and so is no competition to anyone here. Click homepage for nice picture of NYMary. As soon as WT and others give their permission I will post the rest. I have a great pic of Uncle Smokes and another one of old white lady and NTodd and Mena and Feral Liberal watching the softball game.
Wilson upset their pimped-up apple cart.
great link, btw- a blog I always forget to bookmark.
anyone who hasn't yet read any of Karen Kwiatkowski's articles- they provide good background info on the OSP
and now I have to go -- I decided to go to grad school, so I'm doing GRE prep.
off to go review odious math concepts I thought I'd left safely behind thirty years ago...
leftover friday parrot blogging on homepage
What Reddhedd and firedoglake document is a consistent and continuing pattern of arbitrary "fact selection" on the part of the WHIG to prove a point of view that otherwise would be moot.
In fact, they didn't even have to "prove" anything. They just had to suggest that this horrid man, Saddam, might have WMDs.
The Congress, the MSM and the American people all fell into line after that and did whatever the depraved moron in the WH wanted, which was war with Iraq.
Just as he does not fear bin Laden, he seems to fret little that he is now tangling simultaneously with the Bush White House and the New York Times, two of the nation's most powerful and privileged institutions.
The Times? They're a paper tiger. I think Fitz barely notices they're tangling with him.
But the WH better pack a lunch.
In America's GOP politboro, dissent and dissenters are dealt with by punishment.
In Joseph Wilson's instance, what better way to show him who is boss than target his wife?
The Plame Incident
The Plame Debacle
The Plame Cluster Fuck
The Plame Game
In Plame Sight
Err Plame
Follow the yellow cake road
Follow the yellow cake road
Follow the ...Follow the...Follow the
yellow cake road
Cheney Cohen Group... a consulting firm where the trick is, whatever they advise, do the opposite.
It could be staffed by just about anyone W has ever appointed.
watertiger,
If you ever make me think of the words Bolton and cunnilingus in the same breath again, I swear, I'll....
well, laugh. Or maybe start a pie fight in your kitchen.
yes, NYMary, that michael ledeen. another revenant from iran-contra, to no one's surprise. i'm telling you, being a conspiracy theorist seems like the sanest option these days.
Rudy, make the rain stop! i need a bike ride.
I like the fact that Fitzgerald was a math major. Kind of hard to spin a quadratic equation. Figures it would take someone with a firm foothold in the reality based community to cut through the bullshit.
Looks like the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) are still in business...
http://katrinamemo.blogspot.com/...may-not-
be.html
wŇÓ†
peen, ball peen hammer. you know the one buried under all that salvaged copper wire in your father's garage in the 50's that he thought he would use someday to pound the dents out of the fender on his 49 plymouth. one of those fenders had more steel in it than the hummers soldiers are riding around iraq in this morning.
In Joseph Wilson's instance, what better way to show him who is boss than target his wife?
Dartanyon
As Molly Ivins said, anyone who didn't recognize the "target the wife" approach as vintage Rove hasn't been paying attention.
In 1996, Fitzgerald became the National Security Coordinator for the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.
And I bet he's not fond of people who fuck around with issues of national security, like, say, the names of CIA agents.
NYMary,
my bad.
OMG, NPR's playing a travelogue that Schwarzenegger did for Rio back in '83. It's embarrassingly rude.
I like the fact that Fitzgerald was a math major. Kind of hard to spin a quadratic equation. Figures it would take someone with a firm foothold in the reality based community to cut through the bullshit.
Ah, but see, we can't really know anything, even math. It's all based on unprovable axioms that you must take on faith, just like Intelligent Design. So unless Fitz is a very good Christian and True American, he won't be able to win.
"Kind of hard to spin a quadratic equation."
You can spin a differential equation.
I don't know why, but I have problems with this story. Tenet seemed pretty accommodating about a lot of the pre-war positioning didn't he -- the NSI with all the caveats buried in footnotes and addenda supposedly? So why did he make such a big deal about stopping the yellowcake claim, specifically?
At one time Sy Hersh suggested the Niger docs were a plant by neo-con opponents who knew they were ginning the intelligence and created the shoddy forged docs to embarrass them. Anyone know what happened to that theory?
deluxe sampo:
I'd be suffering from terminal "cottage fever" if not for indoor tennis.
I've always wondered this, too. Like NTodd says, this administration is going to get you no matter what. But really, so there's a naysayer? Big deal. They made up their minds that no logic or reason was going to stop them from going into Iraq. It seems rather silly to go to such great lengths to slime someone.
OK, more coffee now...
But MediaMatters and firedoglake contradict one another vis a vis Cheney dispatching Joe Wilson to Niger:
From Media Matters:
On Hardball, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell wrongly asserted that Valerie Plame’s husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, claimed that Vice President Cheney "dispatched" him to Niger.
From firedoglake:
Despite public denials to the contrary it was, in fact, Dick Cheney's requests that set in motion the series of actions that led to Joseph Wilson being sent to Niger to investigate what later turned out to be claims in a set of forged documents.
Who is correct???
Watching Troy, kent?
Yes indeedy, and it is nothing like the Illiad, or at least the copy I read.
I did find the manufacturers of this perfect item for the liberal elite to prepare for the iminent indictments.
Electronic Wine Coolers not to be confused with those overly sweet spritzer things.
Thank you very much.
PickleBreath™Embigulator.
de nada! Pickled little corns are good for breakfast!
The Plame Cluster Fuck
The Plame Game
In Plame Sight
Boss!
de Plame! de Plame!
Anyone know what happened to that theory?
it underestimated the whig stupidity?
Dartanyon - I don't think those are contradictory statements. Firedoglake doesn't say Cheney dispatched Wilson to Niger, just that requests he made led to Wilson's trip.
The Rain in Spain falls mainly on Plame.
There is no contradiction there, Dartanyon. Something wrong with your reading comprehension?
Hide in Plame Sight
"I hate what Cheney did to the WHIGs"
-- Henry Clay
For info on leeden and his possible links to the Niger forgery go to the anti-war.com blog. Scott Horton lays it out and as anti-war writers always do provides plenty of links to back up what he writes.
One must always get people who are against you.
NTodd
How true
" Chapter one, the introduction outlines the problem at hand and discusses the origins of the Basil's reputation as a Bulgar Slayer. It is often attributed to his victory at Kledion in 1014, where he besieged the garrison of that location. Upon the surrender of Kledion, Basil blinded all of the Bulgars except one for every hundred men. These individuals were blinded only in one eye and were to lead the others back to Tsar Samuel. Upon seeing the horror of these actions, Samuel apparently had a heart-attack and died."
It is "the Plame Affair."
How about:
The Plame Incident
The Plame Debacle
The Plame Clusterfuck
Thanks, billyb. I'm going memorize these names so that I never make another faux pas by appending "gate" to a name.
Jennifer - I hate neologisms too. It's lazy. Even the Japenese use the suffix "gate" for name political scandals.
The over-reaction may just be due to the desire to send a signal to critics that anything is fair game.
Pretty bad when this is the least nefarious reason I can come up with.
Dissenting from what the Bushboy WH has proven to be dangerous to reputations and positions.
Paul O'Neill was the Treasury Sec. who averred about the wisdom of Bushboy's neverending tax cuts for the rich. He became "persona non grata" and was forced out.
Joseph Wilson had the temerity to dispute a Bushboy claim made in his SOTU speech, and thus he had to be punished by wrecking his wife's career and endangering who knows how many lives.
Bunatine Greenways was highlighted in last night's NOW program on PBS. It seems she took issue with the "no bid contract" issued to Halliburton and to the $60 million in phony charges they billed the Army. She has been demoted by the Bushboy WH and no longer is allowed to scrutinize such matters.
Perpetrators create patterns and the Bushboy patterns could easily be followed and illustrated by any "news organization," ..... if we had any.
de nada! Pickled little corns are good for breakfast!
mmmmmmm, yes they are! How are your dainty paws this early mornin'?
The Niger docs were so amateurish, I figure they were written by the same Nigerians who send out all those spam letters.
How does it rank with the school I attended that's advertised in matchbooks?
NTodd - 9:32 am
That too was a sketch on the old SCTV series.
Gah! Fucking rain!!
NTodd,
I disagree. If memory serves, didn't Cheney himself in appearances on the Sunday morning blab circuit, deny he played any role (direct or indirect) that led to Joe Wilson going to Niger?
Someone is lying and my guess is the lie is coming from the EOB. As long as Wilson returned with the correct evidence that Saddam was trying to procure yellowcake, Cheney would take credit and be a hero.
But Wilson returned with evidence to the contrary that suggested the Bush administration was lying.
What about the forged/fake document we discussed by the "terrorism experts" at CNN and Fox this past week...
http://katrinamemo.blogspot.com/...may-not-
be.html
Maybe it is just me, but I thought the Trojan War was a 10 year affair, rather than a weekend at Priam's
.
Atrios asks:
"...exactly why was it so necessary to "get" Wilson?"
I think it was a twofer. First, of course, was the need to defuse the charge they lied us into war. I know it's hard for us now to believe the media would actually have run with this, but at the time the Bushistas could not be sure. They must have been amazed and relieved to learn that the country would accept their shifting rationales for war, and that, in effect, they had a pooch that could not be screwed.
Secondly, there was the need to intimidate others in the CIA from pulling back the curtain: the so-called "horse's head" scenario.
Mostly, that has worked, at least to prevent a repeat of the Pentagon Papers dump to the media. We will know soon whether it worked to keep the facts from Fitzgerald. My guess is it did not. Grand Jury subpoenas have a way of concentrating the mind wonderfully.
Karin,
Now you're just being cunty.
Gah! Fucking rain!!
BlakNo1
I was once in a rain for forty days and nights. I built this really big boat. Then all these fucking animals crowded in.
Boy was the wife pissed.
I think the Niger yellowcake was a WHIG "project" and they couldn't have that exposed. I wonder if Plame's operation was close to doing so.
Seems a nasty war between VP office and the CIA was going on.
Now you're just being cunty.
Dartanyon
Isn't that a lyric?
A little bit cunty a little bit rock n roll.
I guess this means Odysseus made it home safely on the first attempt afterwards.
.
NYMary,
Ivins wrote about Rove being so crooked that even Poppy Bush refused to hire him to work on his presidential campaign.
Boss!
de Plame! de Plame!
.
speaking of sat scores a piece in the new york times this morning suggests this analogy...
syria:iraq::cambodia:vietnam
translated--oh shit.
How are your dainty paws this early mornin'?
BabyCornBreath™Embigulator.
Very useful, thanks. I'm going back outside and dig me some bugs!
Isn't that a lyric?
A little bit cunty a little bit rock n roll.
?
ROFL!!!
"I've been thinking about that too, who was it that first suggested that? Somebody did."
That would be Josh Marshall. He wrote obsessively about the origin of the forgeries over a year ago. Here, for instance:
http://
www.talkingpointsmemo.com...8_01.php#003235
Noah,
What's a "cubit?"
I know some people who know Mr. Fitzgerald.
The report:
"Fitzgerald is their worst nightmare. He's fearless and unstoppable."
"He knows everybody who matters at the CIA and they're pissed and he's pissed. If I had to make a choice, I would rather piss off the CIA than Fitzgerald."
"I haven't talked to him out of professional courtesy, but I know that expression on his face. He has the goods, they're totally implicated and they're going down. And they're not just going down, they're going to be ruined and fucked."
"His case will prove treason. There could be... I've said too much. It's bad."
I think the Niger yellowcake was a WHIG "project" and they couldn't have that exposed. I wonder if Plame's operation was close to doing so.
Seems a nasty war between VP office and the CIA was going on.
scout prime
Strikes me more like a Report to the Commissioner scenario.
CIA wants Niger validated. They send someone to do just that. But it blows up in their faces.
No doubt there was manuevering by Cheney.
I disagree. If memory serves, didn't Cheney himself in appearances on the Sunday morning blab circuit, deny he played any role (direct or indirect) that led to Joe Wilson going to Niger?
Yes, he did deny it, but evidence appears to contradict his denials, just like everything else the fucker says on the Sunday meathead shows. Regardless, the two statements you quoted are not contradictory.
Ivins wrote about Rove being so crooked that even Poppy Bush refused to hire him to work on his presidential campaign.
Dartanyon
As I recall, he was hired and then fired after he did something scummy.
I predict pardons all around.
Issued by President Hastert.
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
'80s pop music lyrics quiz:
We close our eyes...
drifty, you old so and so, the blog is kicking ass.
If memory serves, didn't Cheney himself in appearances on the Sunday morning blab circuit, deny he played any role (direct or indirect) that led to Joe Wilson going to Niger?
The assumption you're working on is faulty. You're assuming Cheney was telling the truth on the Sunday talk shows.
Or that he even knows how.
Noah,
What's a "cubit?"
driftglass
Faux Diamond.
Cubit Zirconium.
The Wife has a bunch.
She wanted the real, you know the whole animal thing, but I pulled a switcheroo.
Ain't I the devil.
BabyCornBreath™Embigulator
To be fair, The Iliad itself only deals with about three weeks of the war, when Achilles was being a pouty little shit. Both the preceding nine years and the ensuing year or so are implied.
Ivins wrote about Rove being so crooked that even Poppy Bush refused to hire him to work on his presidential campaign.
Dartanyon
As I recall, he was hired and then fired after he did something scummy.
NYMary
Didn't he leak to Israel?
Not much difference between now and then.
This has always been the most confounding things about the Plame Affair - all this effort to muddy the waters surrounding who sent WIlson to Africa. Big Fuckin' Deal. What difference does it make, compared to idea that there were forged documents floating around that were used to justify a war desperately desired by the Bush Administration.
Occam's Razor tells you where those docs came from.
You could write a differential equation to predict the misbehavior of the Bushboy regime. It might go something like this:
Achieve a Desired End DE = (select facts or rumors that support the DE) x (feed it to mediawhores anxious to please)extrapolate this to the third power, (dismiss, degrade or demote anyone who disagrees)raise this exponentially as required and then add in Bushboy staged public appearances, repeating the lies as often as possible before homogonized Gooper groups.
The result is a "campaign" for war, or for tax cuts for the rich or to destroy Social Security or any other abomination Bushboy and the Goopers choose to promote!
To be fair, The Iliad itself...
greek geek
William Rivers Pitt wrote about this on TruthOut. It's a decent read.
http://truthout.org/docs_03/0711...3/
071103A.shtml
.
shawk -- fer real?
and this:
Condi has a quick meeting with her 'battery-operated friend' before the press conference.
Sorry Noah.
I went all Cosby-referential on you without the proper emoticon cues.
'cause smiley faces make my ass look fat.
The assumption you're working on is faulty. You're assuming Cheney was telling the truth on the Sunday talk shows.
Or that he even knows how.
Honestly, he may be a more important target than Rove. Oh, how I hope shawk's quotes are right!
To be fair, The Iliad itself only deals with about three weeks of the war, when Achilles was being a pouty little shit. Both the preceding nine years and the ensuing year or so are implied.
NYMary
How lucky Achilles looked just like Brad Pit.
greek geek
Hubris Sonic
Well, duh. My geekiness is as established as Karl's scumminess or Dick's mendacity.
Going after Wilson was VP/WHIG way of telling the CIA to fucking back off and to take out Plame and anything her operation may have been able to deliver on what was really going on regarding WMD
driftglass "Boss, de Plame!" Excellent. I'll add this one to the post-it note on my monitor.
Insteas of plamegate:
Plame affaire
Plame debacle
Plame clusterfuck
Plame thing
Boss, de Plame
Sorry Noah.
I went all Cosby-referential on you without the proper emoticon cues.
'cause smiley faces make my ass look fat.
driftglass
After the whole rape thing I put the Cos out of my mind.
Fat Albert was the final nail in the coffin.
It wasn't just to "get" Wilson or his wife. It was to warn everyone in the intelligence community that might oppose the fraud they were perpetrating on the world. They would blow up an entire opperation--Brewster Jennings--they would blow up decades of work, make it easier for terrorists and rogues to get their hands on nukes. They didn't care. They figured the US was gonna rule the world, a world that would be remade through Iraq. Remember them telling "old Europe" that they could forget about getting any juicy. lucrative contracts in the new, free Iraq? That was while they were still cakewalking.
Don't wanna be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new mania.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind fuck America.
Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alienation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.
Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.
Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alienation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.
Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.
Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alienation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.
Argh! Again with the purple fingers!
Hubris Sonic,
Many thanks.
I'm still kinda surpised.
"You can spin a differential equation."
But then you'd be off on a tangent.
I'm going back outside and dig me some bugs!
Bugs and Loam. Loam and Bugs. Sounds like a very exiting day!
.
How lucky Achilles looked just like Brad Pit.
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See, The Greeks were European, and so hard working and fighting and noble. The Trojans were Asiatic, and so swarthy and prone to luxury and ignoble. Except Hektor, he was okay, but the rest were like that useless fucking fuck Paris.
See, The Greeks were European, and so hard working and fighting and noble. The Trojans were Asiatic, and so swarthy and prone to luxury and ignoble. Except Hektor, he was okay, but the rest were like that useless fucking fuck Paris.
NYMary
Hilton? Or her boy toy Paris?
I get so confused with transgender names. Like Marrion Morrison.
Counterpuch characterizes Rove as America's 'Joseph Goebbels.' Ouch!
http://www.counterpunch.org/
mads...madsen1101.html
He's America's Joseph Goebbels. As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage. From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill.
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there is a piece at the news section of ( i do know how to post at other blogs but this one is alot more active and quick ) msnbc that goes on to say that delay is using his web site ("delay tries to turn woes...") to collect more money and also to smear earl but that this activity itself may be a violation of numerous laws. this like when judd nelson as bender in the breakfast club gets the teacher to give him more and more detention...
ah, patriots.
nite.
Old Mother HUnt,
That's what makes me nervous, honestly. The iea that they'll smash everything to pieces like petulant children to get their way. It should scare the hell out of everyone.
Anybody ever wonder how much SinceSlicedBread is spending on blogads given that their prizes total a measly $200k?
What's the old phrase, "It's going to get worse before it gets better"
A lot of good people are dying in Bush's War. On to Iran and Syria we go. Sick twisted Fuck.
October 15, 2005
G.I.'s and Syrians in Tense Clashes on Iraqi Border
By JAMES RISEN and DAVID E. SANGER
WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 - A series of clashes in the last year between American and Syrian troops, including a prolonged firefight this summer that killed several Syrians, has raised the prospect that cross-border military operations may become a dangerous new front in the Iraq war, according to current and former military and government officials.
The firefight, between Army Rangers and Syrian troops along the border with Iraq, was the most serious of the conflicts with President Bashar al-Assad's forces, according to American and Syrian officials.
It illustrated the dangers facing American troops as Washington tries to apply more political and military pressure on a country that President Bush last week labeled one of the "allies of convenience" with Islamic extremists. He also named Iran.
One of Mr. Bush's most senior aides, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject, said that so far American military forces in Iraq had moved right up to the border to cut off the entry of insurgents, but he insisted that they had refrained from going over it.
But other officials, who say they got their information in the field or by talking to Special Operations commanders, say that as American efforts to cut off the flow of fighters have intensified, the operations have spilled over the border - sometimes by accident, sometimes by design.
Jeez, walk away from the computer for a minute and look what happens.
Hilton? Or her boy toy Paris?
I get so confused with transgender names. Like Marrion Morrison.
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Wasn't her Paris Greek? It's all so confusing....
I get so confused with transgender names. Like Marrion Morrison.
Marilyn Manson?
Usually at this point I make a blogwhore alert.
Today I won't however, for a very good reason.
Here is an article, in full, that I have just written at my blogsite. It is not the article that I was going to share with you. You'll see why:
I am getting very annoyed at Blogger
Tonight has been a bad night. For the third time in 2 months, I have had an article ruined by Blogger.
I had spent a couple of hours writing. Since I am aware that sometimes things go wrong, I often press the button "Save as Draft" to ensure that it is saved.
So I'm writing away. It's a passionate article. I am putting lots of emotion into what I am writing. I am even at the point of tears at one point.
Then my wife comes in. She wants me to scratch her itchy back for a while as she watches TV. I have come to the end of the emotional bit in my writing so I decide that I need a short break. I hit "Save as Draft" and go out to scratch the wife's back.
Ten minutes later I come back. Something is wrong. "The blog you were looking for was not found" says the blogger page, with a button that says "back to the dashboard".
I go cold. Surely not this article I scream inside. I go to the dashboard, I go to the edit page which shows the articles still in draft form. I hit the button for the one I'm working on...
It's the draft version I saved previously - not the latest one.
All the emotional stuff - about 150-200 words - is gone. Everything up to that point is still there, but the real gutsy stuff is gone. I hit the back button on my browser - but the work is still gone.
I am really angry at Blogger for this. It is just not good enough for bloggers to lose their work because of some crappy software glitch, or whatever it is. It shouldn't be bandwith because I have broadband.
I have, one or twice, used a text editor for writing an article. But the advantage of writing in the browser is that I can switch between tabs (I use Firefox) to go to references which I can then give links to as I write. I suppose I can always just copy and paste the text in the editing window into a text editor as I go - but it is still a royal pain.
The annoying thing is that the two other articles that got blown out of the water (due to the same phenomenon) ended up not being published anyway. The article that got ruined tonight was different in the emotions that I was experiencing - which will make the article just that much harder to rewrite.
Argh! Again with the purple fingers!
It's the Bush Theory of Propaganda: If at first you don't succeed, beat people over the head with it again and again and again...
speaking of sat scores a piece in the new york times this morning suggests this analogy...
syria:iraq::cambodia:vietnam
singe
Given that all of the arms from Cambodia's civil war, that was a direct byproduct of US meddling, are currently/still arming rebels across SE Asia. And this is 35 years after US intervention in Cambodia.
yeah... if the Busheviks' interference in the region is still fueling violence and death and mayhem 35 years from now, well that's worth an OH SHIT!
Another confusing thing to me about the Niger documents is that the country's Rome embassy was broken into in early 2001. Every report I've read emphasizes that among the thing stolen was stationary bearing the embassy letterhead. I always wonder what's being implied with that emphasis? That some scheme to frame Iraq on wmds was afoot as soon as the Bush administration hit the ground?
I've always kind of figured the Plame take-out to be intentional, more imporatant maybe than getting back at Wilson.
What if Brewster-Jennings/Plame was onto the fake Niger documents? or something even more important that would blow up BushCo's WMD claims?
To be fair, The Iliad itself only deals with about three weeks of the war, when Achilles was being a pouty little shit.
But of course. Three weekends at Priam's, and no Hephestian armor.
Who directed this Codswallop anyway?
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Didn't NTodd blog a picture af that yahoo at the pitiful counterprotest with the big foam purple finger?
I think Boosh would rather start a nuclear war and destroy civilization rather than fess up to his crimes, don't you? He means to kill us all. Note that the US only has 2 million avian flu vaccine doses. What you gonna do, wait in line with a bunch of coughing people?????
I'm going back outside and dig me some bugs!
Bugs and Loam. Loam and Bugs. Sounds like a very exiting day!
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BugAreFun™Embigulator.
Check out Naruto and the
Aburame Clan
(油女一族, Aburame Ichizoku, "Aburame family") Perhaps the most mysterious clan of Konohagakure (Hidden Leaf). Not much is known about this clan, except that they use insects as weapons. The insects are often shown to live in symbiosis with the body of the shinobi.
Trivia
* "Aburame" means "oil woman", and it is similar to "aburamushi" (油虫, the word for cockroaches.
[edit]
Aburame Shibi
Aburame Shibi
Name: Aburame Shibi, 油女シビ
Age: 412
Rank: Jōnin2
Height: 181,3 cm2
Weight: 68,9 kg2
Birthday: September 9
Blood Type: A
Registration #: 005480
Affiliation: Aburame clan, Konohagakure (Hidden Leaf)
Signature Ability: Kikaichū no Jutsu (Destruction Bug Host Technique)
The father of Aburame Shino. During the Invasion of Konoha he used his bugs to draw the poison from Kankurō's puppet out of the body of his son.
Trivia
* Shibi is sometimes called Gen (ゲン in fanon. However, in the second Data Book it is confirmed that his name is Shibi.
[edit]
Aburame Shino
Aburame Shino
Name: Aburame Shino, 油女シノ
Age: 152
Rank: Chūnin4
Height: 156,2 cm2
Weight: 45,8 kg2
Birthday: January 23
Blood Type: AB
Registration #: 012612
Affiliation: Aburame clan, Konohagakure (Hidden Leaf)
Signature Ability: Kikaichū no Jutsu (Destruction Bug Host Technique), Mushi Bunshin no Jutsu (Bug Clone Technique), Shunshin no Jutsu (Body Flicker Technique)
Aburame Shino is a cool, collected, confident Chūnin from Naruto's graduating year (originally from Yūhi Kurenai's Genin team 8 along with Hyūga Hinata and Inuzuka Kiba) who is quite mysterious and always wears sunglasses. As a part of Aburame clan tradition, at birth Shino was infused with a special type of insects that feed on his chakra and in return, they attack and do other tasks as he commands.
Shino was the only male Genin left out of the (failed) mission to retrieve Uchiha Sasuke when the latter decided to become a Missing-nin, and felt some bitterness and guilt over the matter, considering the eventual outcome might have been different had he been sent to help them as well. He apparently has passed a Chūnin exam during Naruto's 2.5-year absence, which, considering his performance during the previous one, was to be expected.
Watertiger:
Cute pic of Kindasleazy. Who is the other "shit" passing in the night?
That some scheme to frame Iraq on wmds was afoot as soon as the Bush administration hit the ground?
According to Richard Clarke, yes.
polls in Iraq are closed let the muckraking and celebatory gunfire begin???
All scandals must now be Duggarized:
Jinger-Plame affaire
Jebidiah-Plame debacle
Jenna-Plame clusterfuck
Jim Bob-Plame thing
Joy-Anna-Boss, de Plame
semper fubar...that's what I think too.
It was just tooo good. They could take out Plame and Wilson and the CIA, all in one little leak.
Irresistable to these fuckers.
Didn't NTodd blog a picture af that yahoo at the pitiful counterprotest with the big foam purple finger?
Yup.
"Who is correct???"
Cheney asked the CIA to find out if there was any truth to the Niger story. Wilson never claimed that Cheney sent him to Niger, only that he was sent so the CIA could respond to Cheny's inquiry. Rove, et al, played their usual game of trying to discredit someone by setting up a straw man ("Wilson lied when he said Cheney sent him to Niger"). Andrea Mitchell and others in the MSM have been characteristically sloppy, or worse, in failing to be clear on this.
Off I go to the store.
I may survive, I may not.
Plam a lama ding dong
Jinger-Plame affaire
Jebidiah-Plame debacle
Jenna-Plame clusterfuck
Jim Bob-Plame thing
Joy-Anna-Boss, de Plame
Attaturk
Boy, you need professional help. Or a stand-up career.
Instead of plamegate:
How about Eau de Plame?
Considering the danger of Avian Flu and considering the Bushboy track record for being a lazy-assed, incompetent who doesn't really give a rat's ass how many people die (so long as their not fetuses!) from natural or other disasters, I'd say that if this H5N1 virus breaks out into the predicted pandemic, there will be millions of Americans who will never get to vote in 2006!
I've been asking the same question as the admin gets deeper and deeper into trouble with Fitz.
It seems to me they could have done the usual smear project and been very successful...Remember in the leadup to the war, the press and public were both on board...dissenters were marginalized..they coulda just said Wilson was nuts, etc, and everyone woulda forgot about it.
It's my guess that in such a highly-charged environment, with the stakes so high, being run by people with an incredible amount of hubris and vindictiveness, that it was just natural to not just smear but destroy. Send a message to everyone.
You still see this today in the statements of people like Matlin and Toensing, the rage in their eyes and the fervent belief that Wilson some how was gonna interfere with their little project...how dare he?
Even if the yellowcake story was true, it doesn't suddenly morph into "mushroom clouds" over our cities. Rice, a proven liar, now lectures other counties about their bad behavior.
They must be laughing their asses off.
NYMary
I was going to comment on the Illiad not covering the whole Trojan War, but I could not improve on your description Of Achilles as "a pouty little shit." A tip of the hat to you.
Odysseus was always my favorite, anyway. He always seemed reality-based: didn't want to go to war in the first place; thought all this glory business was a piece of shit; just wanted to call the whole thing off and go home.
I think Boosh would rather start a nuclear war and destroy civilization rather than fess up to his crimes, don't you? He means to kill us all.
Agreed. Bush is a sociopath and sociopaths never admit error. Maybe a coup will happen before 2008' and he will be forcibly removed from office?
Okay, off to try to accomplish something useful. Adios, bats!
I think Boosh would rather start a nuclear war and destroy civilization rather than fess up to his crimes, don't you? He means to kill us all. Note that the US only has 2 million avian flu vaccine doses. What you gonna do, wait in line with a bunch of coughing people?????
Mike
I'm not sure Avian flu is the apocalyptic event everyone claims. Someone pointed out that we anly know about a handful of cases in third world countries. We have no idea how first world cases would be like. We have no idea about the untreated and unreported in those third world countries. We have no idea how many unreported cases lived.
The death rate could be as low as %4 or less instead of what is claimed.
That said this should be really scary
http://www.rense.com/general61/d...l61/
deadmic.htm
List Of Dead Microbiologists
http://911review.org/Wiki/
DeadMi...iologists.shtml
There is an ongoing worldwide series of killing experts in virus and infections diseases
I'd say that if this H5N1 virus breaks out into the predicted pandemic, there will be millions of Americans who will never get to vote in 2006!
Rudy | Email | Homepage | 10.15.05 - 10:18 am | #
We need to pass the word to the red-staters that the way to get avian flu immunity is to have tons of chickens and turkeys roaming free inside their houses.
Karin:
Eau de Plame? That may turn out to be the most cloying perfume that ever stunk up the WH!!!
All scandals must now be Duggarized:
I think "Duggar" should be a transitive verb.
There's just enough Tamiflu to innoculate half the Federal government and the military.
What's so difficult about the Feds asking Big Pharma to get off their asses and start making more of this stuff?
watertiger,
As in "Jim Bob duggared his wife 16 times"?
Thanks, Toonscribe! Can you tell I get to teach this book?
they coulda just said Wilson was nuts, etc, and everyone woulda forgot about it.
Yes remember they took out Ritter by saying he was a pedophile.
So why didn't they come up with something like that to discredit Wison?
No they wanted to get the CIA off their backs so they went after Plame and the CIA through Wilson
All scandals must now be Duggarized:
I think "Duggar" should be a transitive verb.
watertiger
The Revolution will not be Duggarized!
It was just tooo good. They could take out Plame and Wilson and the CIA, all in one little leak. Irresistable to these fuckers.
You almost wonder whether the people who sent Wilson to Niger had this tempting coincidence in mind...
There's just enough Tamiflu to innoculate half the Federal government and the military.
What's so difficult about the Feds asking Big Pharma to get off their asses and start making more of this stuff?
Dartanyon
Ever see the season two final of Millennium?
Worth watching.
As in "Jim Bob duggared his wife 16 times"?
The Revolution will not be Duggarized!
By Jism, I think you've got it!
I'm thinking Cheney thought he knew who they would send to check out the Niger documents and it wasn't Joe Wilson. I don't think this is about Joe Wilson, but about CIA holdouts from the administration.
The 1918 Flu pandemic killed somewhere between 20 and 40 million people.
The Avian Flu has shown that it can transfer from human to human.
The issue isn't when it will migrate or multiply but how fast (one year to code Red or more?).
It's already been found in Turkey and Europe is getting serious about protecting their people.
Too bad we don't have a government similarly inclined.
they coulda just said Wilson was nuts, etc, and everyone woulda forgot about it.
Yes remember they took out Ritter by saying he was a pedophile.
So why didn't they come up with something like that to discredit Wison?
No they wanted to get the CIA off their backs so they went after Plame and the CIA through Wilson
scout prime
I like how over at the intersection of "Amnesia Street & Blowed up Real Good Avenue", Clifford May is still peddling Ritter as being "teh Crazy" -- a pretty laughable conclusion considering a comparison of their arguments the last several years.
And in the blue corner, weighing in at 145 pounds..."
Bugs and Loam. Loam and Bugs. Sounds like a very exiting day!
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BugAreFun™Embigulator.
It's a pretty good life. No doubt about it.
What's so difficult about the Feds asking Big Pharma to get off their asses and start making more of this stuff?
Nothing, except it takes awhile, costs a lot of money, and there is no percentage in it for the stockholders, Y'know, bush's base.
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Even if the yellowcake story was true, it doesn't suddenly morph into "mushroom clouds" over our cities. Rice, a proven liar, now lectures other counties about their bad behavior.
They must be laughing their asses off.
Lime Rickey
ABSOLUTELY!
Even our dear friends the Pakistanis think Bush is a lying sack of crap.
Clifford May is still peddling Ritter as being "teh Crazy"
Ritter's coming off sounding pretty goddamned sane. And right.
How far and fast we have fallen.
In one generation we've gone from Kennedy and Camelot...
...to Bush and Plamelot.
Makes me sad...and horny for Marilyn Monroe.
Brewster Jennings and their investigation of Saudi WMDs are the key to Palme.
"Indict Lucky"? *
*this may be too obscure.
Attaturk
That fucking turtle's going DOWN, man!
God knows that there is a lot to keep track of as we attempt to unravel this delicious mess. Can someone please explain the "too many ponies" references in several of their posts? A response sometime before the aspens turn here out west would be greatly appreciated.
As in "Jim Bob duggared his wife 16 times"?
If he had, she wouldn't have got pregnant... Oh sorry, misread that.
Why was it necessary to discredit Joe Wilson? The question has been addressed by better websites than this one. Joe Wilson writes a NYTimes editorial critical of the administration. Conservative journalists immediately start asking why the Administration would send someone so partisan. Sources in the adminstration tell the journalists, "we didn't send him the CIA did". Why did the CIA chose him? "His wife works there and she got him the assingment". This is the simplest and most likely explanation as to why Wilson's connection to the CIA was revealed to conservative journalists.
Pentimenti -- Yeah, I've wondered about that. Seems like Cheney would have some idea of how the CIA might respond to his pressure about the Niger intel. But thing is, Wilson isn't the only one who investigated it. Two others (a general and ambassador, I think) went to Niger, too, and came back with the same conclusions as Wilson.
swiftposttroll4truth,
It may be a reference to a terrific joke about Xmas, ponies, shit and blind-optimism, but I am a mere traveler in this antique land and may well be wrong...
BTW, for all those Intelligent Design believers, watch how the Avian Flu adapts to different vaccines and serums. It's called "evolving" as in EVOLUTION.
And if your grand Intelligent Designer loves us humans so much, how come he designed these virus demons that could kill off millions????
Can someone please explain the "too many ponies" references in several of their posts? A response sometime before the aspens turn here out west would be greatly appreciated.
Holden has a stable of ponies that he recieved for predicting that bush's numbers would drop below 40% IIRC.
NTodd is Jealous of Holden's Pony wealth, because he likes things that sparkle, and Holden's ponies are the sparkleiest ponies that ever sparkled.
Hope that clears things up.
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ConservativeBill:
Whatever you're smoking, it must be good.
I am sorry, I haven't had a chance yet to read the prior comments so if this has already been brought up, I apologize.
Wilson was Acting Ambassador to Iraq during Gulf War I and probably the last US official to actually meet with Saddam Hussein. Could it be that they were afraid that Wilson would know the true status of Iraqi WMDs as of that time period -- and perhaps even later on? Add to that his wife's work with WMDs, and you probably have two very well-informed individuals who were a direct threat to the neocon plan.
ConservativeBill:
Living proof of the PT Barnum observation: A sucker born every minute!!!
Good post, Diane.
I think Pakistan, along with some other supposed allies, is just slow-walking their cooperation with the "War on Terror". What choice do they have, it's either that or get put on the axis of evil list.
Somehow I knew it would all come down to sparkling pony envy. It all makes sense to me now.
And if your grand Intelligent Designer loves us humans so much, how come he designed these virus demons that could kill off millions????
Stop using that long discredited thing known as logic. My childlike petulant
God demands it.
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The question has been addressed by better websites than this one.
Don't be silly! There are no better websites than this one!
Why did the CIA choose him? "His wife works there and she got him the assignment".
The second part of this answer is false, and the first part was classified information. Are you saying that when the administration get a press question, they just reflexively lie and undermine national security?
Got errands... cyall later.......
That fucking turtle's going DOWN, man!
Death of Rats
It's fucking turtles all the way down already. Or are you one of those heretic non-believers?
Must be off to the bacon tree, and pluck some ripe and tasty bacon for the skillet.
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Living proof of the PT Barnum observation: A sucker born every minute!!!
ConservativeBill: This way to the egress.
The leak itself was a distraction. The press focused on the leak and leakers and not so much on the substance. Was that their intention? At the time I'm sure they never thought there would be an investigation or a Fitzgerald hounding them for 2 years.
Are you saying that when the administration get a press question, they just reflexively lie and undermine national security?
animus
I thought that went without saying. So commonplace in Washington that it doesn't have to be printed by real jourmanalists.
Why did the CIA chose him?
Yes, why didn't they choose one of the dozens of other people in US government service who had extensive personal knowledge and connections both in Niger and Iraq, and who were available and willing to take a pro bono assignment.
has anyone been listening to wxpn's 885 greatest albums countdown? 2+ weeks of fantastic radio. that station is a gem.
Did anyone catch Chimpy McStagger's radio address this morning? Here on DC on WTOP, the audio track was totally screwed up, when Chimpy was doing his riff on the al Qaeda letter, it started skipping pretty badly.
btw, Wesley Clark doing the Dem response @11.
attaturk - Duggarizing anything is very good. I love your list.
I will settle for nothing less than Smirky in fluorescent orange and leg shackles.
And in the blue corner, weighing in at 145 pounds..."
watertiger
Wait tho. You don't have a juice bar?
Insteas of plamegate:
Plame affaire
Plame debacle
Plame clusterfuck
Plame thing
Boss, de Plame
Plamecrash?
Chimpy is still hawking that forged Al Qaeda letter?
And in the blue corner, weighing in at 145 pounds..."
watertiger
Can Eli and I carry the round-numbers around the ring in sparkly outfits?
Or has that already been Duggarized?
Must be off to the bacon tree, and pluck some ripe and tasty bacon for the skillet.
Oh boy! I wonder if Two-Legs can get me one of those. There was some story about a red grapefruit, but this would be way more kuhl....
Please some background on the yellowcake story here
attaturk - Duggarizing anything is very good. I love your list.
Arabella
When the indictments come out I'm going to write a Zola-like post called
J'essacuse!
It wasn't until after Joe Wilson's NYT article, 16 to 17 months after the mission, that Plame was outed. Don't forget the scandal likely involves British and Italian intelligence two and that people within foreign intel agencies knew of Plame.
Palme Event?
Palme Fiasco?
Palme Farce?
Palme Shambles?
Can Eli and I carry the round-numbers around the ring in sparkly outfits?
How do you feel about wearing a thong?
Wait tho. You don't have a juice bar?
There will be a beer bar.
And food.
And dessert (cough cough).
Actually, Wilson was positioning himself for Secretary of State in the Democratic adminstration, had Kerry won.
Palme Fiasco?
Palme Farce?
Palme Shambles?
Moonbootica
another palme d'or for Michael Moore?
How do you feel about wearing a thong?
watertiger
Well, really the operative question is how other people would feel about me wearing a thong.
I dunno, Atrios; "inappropriate response" would seem to describe this abministration to a T...
Well, really the operative question is how other people would feel about me wearing a thong.
I think the whole role reversal (me as MC, you as round card "girl") would be big hit!
This fourth season of "Curb Your Enthusiasm:" not so good.
Oh, attaturk!You are making me laugh. Now if you could incorporate Mighty Mouse and New York Times Select into the Plame/Duggar conflation, I would have no need for champagne.
But I get a kick out of you.
Any links to Dowd's column today for us cheapskates? Much ablidged.
The leak itself was a distraction. The press focused on the leak and leakers and not so much on the substance. Was that their intention? At the time I'm sure they never thought there would be an investigation or a Fitzgerald hounding them for 2 years.
scout prime
So good it needed to be seen again.
Once again Scout cut through all the bullshit to the heart of the matter.
Indictments will be glorious, but what the charges are and the bases for those charges are going to be a wonderful early holiday gift, one that will hopefully keep on giving.
Sources in the adminstration tell the journalists, "we didn't send him the CIA did". Why did the CIA chose him? "His wife works there...
.....
ConservativeBIll
I took the liberty of highlighting the crime for you, Conservative Bill, since I'm sure those wonderful web sites that explain things to you haven't.
ConservativeBIll,
How do you remember to breathe?
Well, really the operative question is how other people would feel about me wearing a thong.
Heh. Would be funny if we had a round card guy come out in sweatpants and a t-shirt.
Philosophical Question of the Morning:
Who is creepier-looking than Larry Kudlow?
The Papal Bull - 9:30 am
Look no further than your gravatar.
You know the commercial that has been running frequently (at least on CNN) for the energy company Areva (wikipedia | corporate site, including link to the ad) -- the one with the engaging animation, set to the song "Funkytown," showing how nuclear power is generated and distributed? At one point it depicts the mining and processing of uranium ore and you can see yellowcake, with the word "yellowcake" in small print at the bottom right of the screen.
No idea what my point is but there you have it.
BTW, we're a class organization. No round card girls.
Besides, our best fighters are women.
"Actually, Wilson was positioning himself for Secretary of State in the Democratic adminstration, had Kerry won."
No--auditioning to be the new 007 with Valerie as P Galore...but Hag Judy got in the way.
"Actually, Wilson was positioning himself for Secretary of State in the Democratic adminstration, had Kerry won."
No--auditioning to be the new 007 with Valerie as P Galore...but Hag Judy got in the way.
> took the liberty of highlighting the crime for you, Conservative Bill, since I'm sure those wonderful web sites that explain things to you haven't
These dishonest people who survive on cronyism assume that the rest of the world is just like them. They can't imagine that there are ethical and honest people who function in an alternative universe, we like to call the reality based community.
Guys like Bill here combine that unbeatable combination of ignorance and stupidity which Bushites count on for their shills.
Well, really the operative question is how other people would feel about me wearing a thong.
I think the whole role reversal (me as MC, you as round card "girl") would be big hit!
watertiger
That would be Johannatastique!
The yellowcake forgeries were concocted at the highest levels of government in Italy, UK and the US. But there were factions in SISMI, MI-5 and the CIA who opposed the lie but kept their heads down, even after Wilson's mission. Wilson kept his head down too, actually, until an opportune moment--the upcoming presidential election in the USA.
I'm inclined to believe that smearing Wilson served multiple purposes. Sure, it harmed Wilson and his wife, but I don't think that was the only, or even the main rationale.
The WH was sending a message to all intel agencies; fly right, or this is what we do to you. It was all about intimidation. Keep in mind that shortly thereafter, CIA critic Porter Goss was installed as director and the National Intel Director was created to dictate to the intel agencies.
The irony in this whole thing is that IRAN 1) actually did and does have WMDs (chemical, probably bio, and soon enough nuclear), 2) supports Islamic terrorism, and 3) is anti-American. Pakistan is a nuclear state that has a history of support of al-qaeda. All the administration arguments about how Iraq was this giant threat are simply laughable in this context...
There will be a beer bar.
And food.
And dessert (cough cough).
watertiger
Throw in a couple of rawhide chewy things and I'm your doggie.
I thank you Arabella, and the whole Joyattaturk family thanks you.
I must now go as my thong is riding up.
Do you think we would have actually invaded Iraq if the assholes thought they did have WMDs?
MoDo
Sex, Envy, Proximity
By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON
President Bush started his weekend early. He decided to leave for Camp David at 2 p.m. yesterday.
Can you blame him?
The White House has lost its mind - and its survival instincts. The monomaniacal special prosecutor is moving in for the kill. Republicans are covered in dirt. And we may be only moments away from another Newsweek cover on another President Bush headlined "The Wimp Factor."
W.'s political career was structured to ensure that he would never suffer his father's problems by seeming weak or wobbly on conservatism. Everything would be about projecting strength and protecting the base.
But the reverse playbook got washed away with Katrina, when Karl Rove and W. did not jump to attention at the word hurricane. W. ended up with a job approval rating of 2 percent among African-Americans, according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. He missed the golden hour, as it's called in combat medicine, the precious time when acting fast may save those in jeopardy.
W.'s presidency has become branded with rushing into one place too fast and not rushing into another fast enough.
Astonishingly, with the choice of Harriet Miers, this Bush has ended up exactly where the last Bush ended up: giving affirmative action for the Supreme Court a bad name and angering conservatives, who call him a mollycoddle.
Just as the father clearly missed the wily strategist Lee Atwater after he died, so the son clearly misses the Atwater protégé Karl Rove, who has been distracted by kidney stones and trips to testify to the grand jury looking into the outing of Valerie Plame.
Lyndon Johnson said the two things that make politicians behave more stupidly than anything else are sex and envy. You might add one more: proximity. I always think men are more prone to get seduced by proximity into making unwise choices. They tend to be a bit lazy. They'll grab the closest doughnut off the platter. Like Jude Law and the Nanny.
It was Monica Lewinsky's proximity that caused Bill Clinton to forget the dignity of his office. It was Harriet Miers's proximity - she has spent more time with W. than any aide except Andy Card - that caused George Bush to forget that flattery and catering to his every need are not qualifications for the Supreme Court.
"We're innately lazy, like lions," a male friend said. "We like whoever happens to be around."
President Bush is still the same loyalty enforcer he was in his dad's White House. He likes deference and dislikes checks and balances. Having one of his handmaidens on a Supreme Court designed to be free of "obsequious instruments," as Alexander Hamilton called cronies, makes perfect sense to him, just as paying conservative columnists to spread the administration agenda made sense.
Part 2 coming ...
The WH was sending a message to all intel agencies; fly right, or this is what we do to you. It was all about intimidation. Keep in mind that shortly thereafter, CIA critic Porter Goss was installed as director and the National Intel Director was created to dictate to the intel agencies.
MeLoseBrain?
What the Chinese refer to as:
"Kill the chicken to scare the monkey."
The WH was sending a message to all intel agencies; fly right, or this is what we do to you. It was all about intimidation. Keep in mind that shortly thereafter, CIA critic Porter Goss was installed as director and the National Intel Director was created to dictate to the intel agencies.
MeLoseBrain
And the CIA has never recovered. They've lost a lot of their power and their funding. Most of both has gone to the Pentagon and that shadowy organization known as the Defense Intelligence Agency that now wants to operate on US soil.
Hmmmm... Bush leaves early yesterday for Camp David. Reports are that Rove, after 4 hours of GJ testimony, didn't return to his office yesterday.
I'll bet Bush has the jumper cables attached to Rove's nuts right about now.
"Tell me what you told them, you ratfuck Turd Blossom!"
"Nothing, Sire! I told them noth.... EEEEEOOOOWWWWWW!!!"
MoDo Part 2
Without his "Boy Genius," Mr. Bush has turned to other shields. Laura gave the fidgeting and blinking president support on the "Today" show on Tuesday, telling Matt Lauer that criticism of Ms. Miers might be sexist.
That's silly. The conservatives want a female justice - they just want one who will be reliably certain to influence the court to curb women's rights.
On Thursday, again with weird and stilted body language, and an earpiece that kept falling out, W. held a teleconference and tried to use 10 American soldiers from the Army's 42nd Infantry Division in Tikrit and one Iraqi soldier as props to offer a more upbeat assessment of the security preparations for the weekend vote.
The surprise wasn't that it turned out to be rehearsed, although that angered some uniformed officers at the Pentagon who felt the troops were being politicized and used as military wallpaper. If these brave young men and women can be trusted to carry guns and kill insurgents, these officers reasoned, why can't they be trusted to speak into a microphone without stage-managing and a rehearsal from a civilian Pentagon spin doctor?
The surprise was how inept the event was. The White House was always able to pull off these stagey, scripted events during the campaign and when selling the Iraq war.
It's hard to believe sunny reports from Tikrit with Syria turning into Iraq's Cambodia. As James Risen and David Sanger write in The Times today, "A series of clashes in the last year between American and Syrian troops ... has raised the prospect that cross-border military operations may become a dangerous new front in the Iraq war."
It was hard to tell whom that teleconference was aimed at impressing - unless it was just meant to cheer up the edgy W. Instead, it just made him seem more lost than ever.
That would be Johannatastique!
Jingerific!
Big Business
My money is on Cheney as the man behind the curtain
Cheney & Libby go to CIA to place pressure for positive Iraq yellow cake Intel
CIA sends Wilson
Wilson reports yellow cake bullshit
W.H.I.G. ignores CIA Wilson Intel & put out yellow cake yes story...
CIA Wilson burn them in Times.........
the Big Business C.E.O. & W.H.I.G. determined to topple Saddam & take over
Control of Iraq oil see opportunity to Hit CIA hurt Wilson & take out
Brewster Jennings with one stone
CIA requests investigation who outed Valirie Plame............
Enter Fitzgerald ...God save America.............
GWPDA ... When's your gig beginning?
Morning Batties - I've wondered all along what Wilson did that caused the WH to put so much energy into trying to ruin him. Just disagreeing with the WH assessment of the situation in Iraq never did seem like enough to trigger such an all out effort.
The question is intriguing - I wonder what else we might be finding out soon?
I read the OpEd columns two hours ago and I can't rememeber either of them. I remember that Dowd was a big rehash of a rehash (no surprise) and that Tierney's column wanted me to send him the Avada Kedavra curse.
Dowd is a pretty pony princess, but Tierney is an inept jack ass.
I have to go do errands. See you.
And the beat goes on. Just went out to the bakery for Mrs DWD who had outpatient surgery yesterda. I had the misfortune to turn on the damned radio and listen to the Republican bullshit. What is wrong with these people? Why do they choose not to see?
As I listened to the Republican congressman explaining that this was an historic day for Iraq: choosing freedom over tyranny, Insurgent violence was almost nonexistent in deference to the vote. 70% vote in the election and on and on, the words of this song occurred. You daily Leonard Cohen
know you've heard it's over now and war must surely come,
the cities they are broke in half and the middle men are gone.
But let me ask you one more time, O children of the dusk,
All these hunters who are shrieking now oh do they speak for us?
And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?
Why are the armies marching still that were coming home to me?
O lady with your legs so fine O stranger at your wheel,
You are locked into your suffering and your pleasures are the seal.
The age of lust is giving birth, and both the parents ask
the nurse to tell them fairy tales on both sides of the glass.
Yup, I think Scout has it nailed. I asked this earlier but it is apropos here as well.
After they are taken down, what does the country do? Rove and Libby are out. Probably dick too. W has painfully demonstrated that he is nothing but a shill for whichever group happens to have his attention at the moment. The country will basically be rudderless and cast adrift.
Probably a better scenario than keeping these people in power for the next 3 years, but it is a scarey prospect.
GWPDA ... When's your gig beginning?
res ipsa loquitur
First of the month. Right now, I'm finishing up my two weeks notice at GWPDA. The current boss is very demanding.
And the CIA has never recovered. They've lost a lot of their power and their funding. Most of both has gone to the Pentagon and that shadowy organization known as the Defense Intelligence Agency that now wants to operate on US soil.
Diane
Diane - did you see the creation of a new department underneath the CIA to run all foreign human intelligence operations? The news report said that the government wouldn't name the leader of the department except to call him 'Jose'.
I thought the Busheviks had been invaded by a bunch of Zapatistas or Hamas.
i think the fundies want the shit to go down sooner than later...
the sheeple will then have time to forget...and the puppetmasters can turn the economy over and the fundies will win again in '08
/tinfoil hat
there is certainly something rotten in the White House...
Rove and the WH behaviour reminds me of what I read about Pope Julius II, he had a vindictive nature and for a period wanted to see the Venetian Republic ruined. He formed the League of Cambrai with Louse XII, the Emperor Maxmillian and Ferdinand of Aragon against Venice.
The Venetian Republic was brought to her knees all because Pope Julius II was spiteful.
It might be useful to remmeber the media enviornment when Wilson's expose appeared. It was solid, wall to wall adulation and unquestioning support of Georgus II, Light of the Aryans, Defender of the Faith, more importantly Defender of da Family.
Into that Wilson injected that most unwelcome item for all despots, real information. And it wasn't deposited into some tiny leftie magazine but one of the major organs of the corporate establishment. This was a serious breech of nazional discipline that could not be allowed to go unpunished. Given where it appeared it could have encouraged other people inconveniently in possession of inforation to speak out unless Wilson and his wife were crushed.
I've wondered if Miller's holding back might have been only because of possible inconvenience to The Times and not for any other reason.
Maybe the point was to silence Plame's colleagues.
Here late:
My spidey-sense pointed to Ledeen's involvement early on. Not just forgery; the Italian connection, Ghorbanifar, etc.
And yes, as someone asked in the Independent last year, knowing where those documents came from is key.
rugby is played by guys who like to have their front teeth knocked out and if it doesn't happen on the field they just might take a ball pean hammer to them themselves to see if they can not flinch...
"A game for thugs, played by gentlemen."
WaPo seems to have fallen off the wagon (editorial):
TODAY, IRAQ stages a referendum on a constitution that most of its citizens have been unable to read. The document they will ratify or reject shifts crucial decisions about government, the judiciary and human rights to a future national assembly, and it may itself be rewritten in the first half of next year. Though planned as a landmark in Iraq's postwar reconstruction -- and still described that way by the Bush administration -- the referendum has been stripped of much of its substance. In the troubled Iraqi context, that amounts to good news.
Because it was rushed by a deadline-driven President Bush, the process of writing a constitution failed to produce an accord among Iraq's major factions about the country's future. Instead it yielded a draft that threatened to split the country and ignite a civil war. Fortunately, this deeply flawed document has been steadily devalued in backroom negotiations over the past six weeks, quietly brokered by the same U.S. administration that publicly compares the constitution drafters to those who met in Philadelphia in 1787.
...
That, anyway, must be the hope of the Bush administration. Its true policy is hard to discern, given the disconnect between the president's surreal rhetoric -- which contrasts brave constitution writers with evil foreign terrorists -- and the actual situation, in which Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds compete for power by both political and military means. Increasingly, U.S. forces are trapped between implacable Sunni insurgents, whom the Americans fight with the help of a predominantly Shiite and Kurd Iraqi army, and intransigent Shiite and Kurd politicians, who depend on that U.S. defense to pursue political agendas that are at odds with a unified and democratic Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5101401826.html
The country will basically be rudderless and cast adrift.
But not as badly as we caused Iraq to be rudderless and cast adrift.
watching Rugby at the moment on TV.
Bath vs Glouchester and we're winning
15-9!
rugby is played by guys who like to have their front teeth knocked out and if it doesn't happen on the field they just might take a ball pean hammer to them themselves to see if they can not flinch...
"A game for thugs, played by gentlemen."
pseudonymous in nc
How unlike Hockey.
dammit Glouchster just scored grrrr
Bath 15 Glouchster 14.
So, Moonbatica, you watching USC vs Notre Dame or Michigan vs Penn State at Happy Valley this afternoon?
(I think that is a joke, though it might be hard to tell)
The question in my mind has always been, "Who forged the documents?" and I hope this is really what Fitz is looking for.
Early on there was some kind of kidnapping in Italy involving two CIA agents. I never did read about any resolution of what that was all about.
"The kidnapping row endangers international cooperation on terror and could blow Nigergate, etc., wide open."
http://globalresearch.ca.myforum...pic.php?
p=11349
The question is intriguing - I wonder what else we might be finding out soon?
Tena
Hopefully how many Bush Texas gala's being the wife a Pioneer gets one an invite to.
How was Camp casey?
DWD
Bet the Bushes: George, Pickles and the twins have had THEIR Tamiflu shots.
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You know, all other sports pale in comparison to hockey - it is the perfect microcosm of human experience. Quite frankly, after one is into hockey: everything else seems incredibly boring.
Think of the positions: forward, defense, and goaltender. Forwards are republicans, defensemen are democrats and goalies are independents: they simply do not care who it is, they are not cooperating.
So the Republican forward (conservatives tend to be worse the moderates) takes the puck and tries to score at any cost leaving his team vulnerable because he has taken the puck too deep without adequate backing. The defenseman cuts him off and takes the puck and passes it out of the zone. But in typical democratic fashion is likely to set it up for the other forward. Then the goalie has to be arbiter for the two and so on.
I wonder what Israel's involvement was?
http://216.177.7.126/index.html
Recall that when Michael Ledeen visited the head of Italy's SISMI just before SISMI "found" the Niger documents, he was accompanied by Larry Franklin, AIPAC/Israel's spy inside the Pentagon Office of Special Plans, from which even more lies about Iraq were pouring forth.
"It wasn't just to "get" Wilson or his wife. It was to warn everyone in the intelligence community that might oppose the fraud they were perpetrating on the world. Old Mother Hunt"
Yes, these people are the most unscrupulous of the bad. I don't think there has ever been anything like this in America before.
At the time I'm sure they never thought there would be an investigation or a Fitzgerald hounding them for 2 years.
scout prime
that's joe conason's theory -- bushco never expected john ashcroft to recuse himself and a special investigator be appointed; and certainly not one with the integrity and skills of patrick fitzgerald.
Oct. 7, 2005 | To understand why Karl Rove is believed to be in grave danger of indictment for his role in the Wilson leaks, let's return to the earliest days of the investigation. If Rove is found criminally liable for lying, then the falsehoods that led to his downfall may well have been uttered during the weeks when his old friend and client John Ashcroft was still in charge of the leaks probe -- and before the case was turned over to the special counsel, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.
During the autumn of 2003, after repeated requests from the CIA, Ashcroft finally exercised his duty as attorney general to investigate the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson's identity by administration officials to various journalists. Although the CIA first notified the Justice Department as early as July 30 of a potentially serious crime -- namely, a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act -- Justice didn't open an investigation until the end of September, after the CIA informed the department that it had completed its own review of the facts.
For three months, until Ashcroft decided to recuse himself, the investigation remained under his control, despite the well-founded suspicions of Rove's involvement. Ashcroft willfully ignored his own inherent conflict in overseeing a case that might lead to an indictment of Rove, who had assisted his political campaigns in Missouri and had directed the process that led to his appointment as attorney general. Only after repeated protests from Democrats in Congress, strong editorial comment on the unseemliness of Ashcroft's conduct, and polls showing public demand for an independent counsel did he finally recuse himself from the Wilson matter.
By then, however, the investigation had already begun, and Rove, among others in the White House, was already on record publicly denying any involvement in the leaks. Indeed, those denials by Rove himself and White House press secretary Scott McClellan returned to haunt them and the president earlier this year, following evidence provided by Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper about his July 2003 conversation with Rove concerning the Wilsons."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/con...tml?
sid=1399405
I'm thinking Cheney thought he knew who they would send to check out the Niger documents and it wasn't Joe Wilson.
That's interesting. The Toensing line is that Wilson was 'not qualified' because he wasn't 'an expert on WMDs' (regardless of the fact that, um, uranium hexafluoride isn't a WMD).
So, who was expected to provide the CIA rubberstamp? Or was the Agency going to be stovepiped again?
Sy Hersh quoted ex-CIA who suspected it was an inside job designed to expose the fact that OSP believed any shit that fit its desires, regardless of how badly sourced and dubious.
Did WHIG/OSP suspect Plame's counter-proliferation group of being behind the forgeries as an attempt to embarrass them, when they were in fact created by a bunch of neocons (Ledeen!) who believed they wouldn't get fact-checked by the CIA?
I suspect that we'll know a lot more in a week's time.
"exactly why was it so necessary to "get" Wilson?"
I thought it was to make an example of him; to put the fear of rove into other would-be truth tellers.
.
Fitz is not going after Niger forgery story, because neocons cycled it through Italian spy agency MAMSI.
It is difficult to track through and it would only muddy up his case. He will be content with Rove, Scooter and Ari.
He may go after WHIG and Cheney if he has enough evidence. We will know this coming week.
Have you heard the latest? Ronnie Earle doesn't have the original list he claimed he had in order to secure the indictment of The Hammer. Sounds like he took pointers from old "Tailgunner Joe". Wouldn't it be fun to see the indictment thrown out and Tom return to the office he just vacated? Ain't politics fun?
Recall that when Michael Ledeen visited the head of Italy's SISMI just before SISMI "found" the Niger documents, he was accompanied by Larry Franklin, AIPAC/Israel's spy inside the Pentagon Office of Special Plans, from which even more lies about Iraq were pouring forth.
And Harold Rhode, Chalabi's handler in Iraq.
And don't forget Michael Rubin, who wrote a ridiculous op-ed in the Observer last week, basically saying 'onwards to Iran!'
Have you heard the latest?
That 'Thornhill' is full of shit? Old, old news.
It might have been necessary to "get Wilson" because Wilson's denouncing of the yellowcake story might be traced back to the WHIG organization. I mean, here were these people going way beyond public relations, promoting a war on Iraq with made-up facts and details. On some level they all must have recognized that their lack of evidence for things they were putting out in the public as true might come back to bite them in the ass if any of their claims of WMD in Iraq were found to be false.
I mean, afterall, they engineered a push to go to war based on lies and deception. This is similar to the first Gulf War and the story of Iraq soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators; and the Vietnam War Gulf of Tonkin incident; World War II Pearl Harbor "surprise" attack; World War I sinking of the Lusitania forewarning. In nearly every war you can find some event or story that was the powderkeg for going to war. The WHIG's yellowcake/nuclear threat was that powderkeg for the current one. No way could that group allow their propaganda efforts to be discovered by the public via Joe Wilson.
So discrediting Wilson by saying his CIA wife put him up to it--the same CIA that was against Cheney and Libby's other WMD claims--made it look like payback on the CIA's part.
One argument that I often heard on the Sunday talk shows starting in 2003 was that Bush couldn't have lied his way into a war just for political advantage and for his pals to make money, because that would be the act of a monster, killing thousands for petty personal gain.
And, at that time, very few people could believe that Bush was a monster. Now, the evidence is pretty much overwhelming in favor of the 'monster' option. In fact, there aren't any other competing theories that make sense.
Ain't politics fun?
J.E. Thornhill
don't get too excited. tommy boy's problems are only beginning. the real fun comes with the abramoff investigation. forgot about that one, didn't you.
One curious connection that Jane Hamsher also noticed: Fitzgerald was also the prosecutor in the case of Conrad Black's Hollinger International, where the targets included... Richard Perle.
He could truly turn out to be Raid For Neocons.
They would blow up an entire opperation--Brewster Jennings--they would blow up decades of work, make it easier for terrorists and rogues to get their hands on nukes.
The service of the Party is the highest form of the service of the State.
Ordinarily, these two do not conflict.
If, however, this conflict comes to pass, then the protection of the State must be sacrificed to the protection of the Party.
On some level they all must have recognized that their lack of evidence for things they were putting out in the public as true might come back to bite them in the ass if any of their claims of WMD in Iraq were found to be false.
As I said, that's the curious thing: Hersh's contacts assumed that the Niger evidence was so flimsy that it was designed to be exposed, and in doing so, expose the stovepiping of intelligence.
But what if it was never designed to be exposed at all? That the stovepipers were so certain of themselves that they never expected to be fact-checked.
I now suspect that Toensing and O'Blimey's line that Wilson 'was not qualified to investigate WMDs' is significant here. It's a curious distinction. That's to say, by picking someone who had expertise and experience in the region, the CIA went off the script.
Was the retribution aimed solely at Wilson, or at the 'renegade' (as in 'fact-checking') CIA division that sent him?
(Oh, let me correct myself: yellowcake is refined uranium oxide. But it's still not a weapon of mass destruction, unless you drop a few million tons on a village and bury it outright.)
President is required by the constitution to give a state of the union. Since he lied in it he has gone against the oath of office and must be impeached. Lying at a press conference is one thing, lying during the SOU another?
Remember when Gannon blindsided Wilson with a phony doc reference when he interviewed him? Is Fitzgerald looking into this? Will Gannon's sleepovers at the White House be a bone of contention in the trials?
And what about Judy Miller sending encouraging emails to David Kelly before he "commits suicide"? Do they just play rougher on the other side of the Big Pond?
But what if it was never designed to be exposed at all? That the stovepipers were so certain of themselves that they never expected to be fact-checked.
WHIG was looking to promote war. The threat of chemical or biological weapons weren't enough. They needed to put the fear of nuclear weapons in the minds of the American public. So it was the yellowcake story and mushroom clouds that they HAD to sell to the public. So even though the yellowcake story was flimsy, they knew it would be enough to push pubic opinion over the threshold for war.
In addition, remember they expected to find WMDs when they got to Iraq. It was a given. I'm sure WHIG assumed that once the WMDs were found, nobody would care if any of their propaganda was made up--no one would have a reason to backtrack and question their lies. They could have looked at the newly discovered WMDs and said "See, our cause was justified." But it all backfired when no WMDs were found.
OT - Is there a topic? anyway, I just received a call from "Austin TX" asking to do a phone poll. I agreed. No push poll, there were no upfront questions, just do you approve or disapprove, right track wrong track, etc. It did have one pro-life, pro-choice question (choose one).
But why is Austin, TX calling Minnesota? They said to check with SurveyUSA later to find out results.
There is another investigation looking into Larry Franklin/AIPAC mess. That investigation (at this point, FBI agents and some career Justice attorneys) are checking into pentagon stovepipe, neocons, Chalabi, intel leak to Iran and so on. This investigation will pull the neocon aspens, roots and all. Gonzo recused himself. No one can stop this train.
But why is Austin, TX calling Minnesota? They said to check with SurveyUSA later to find out results.
GrandmaJ
SurveyUSA is a polling organization--they probably outsource their calling to somebody in Austin.
1. A majority of citizens indicate that they would favor impeachment if Boosch is shown to have lied to get us into war w/ Iwereck.
2. It's shown that BooschCo manufactured the Yellowcake Mess.
3. 2006 election - Dims take one or both houses of Congress.
4. Impeachment Time!
"Remember when Gannon blindsided Wilson with a phony doc reference when he interviewed him? Is Fitzgerald looking into this? Will Gannon's sleepovers at the White House be a bone of contention in the trials?"
He said bone. Hehehe
"Saddam was a bad guy but at least he kept the Iranians/fundamentalists in check!"
[see: genocide of Marsh Arabs, invasion of Iran]
"Saddam was a bad guy but at least he kept the lights on!"
[see: sanctions, impact on Iraqi infrastructure, infant mortality >15%]
"Saddam was a bad guy but at least he was secular!"
[when he wasn't having Korans printed from his own blood!]
"Saddam was a bas guy but at least he kept the oil flowing!"
[except that under sanctions Iraq's oil production was the same as it is now]
"Saddam was a bas guy but we [sic] killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians!"
[which -- evn if true-- is 1/3-1/10 as many as "we" had killed and continued to kill with sanctions!]
"Saddam was a bas guy but he had no WMDS!"
[despite his own best efforts. & he's defnitely not getting them now.]
"Saddam was a bas guy but at least he brought stability!"
[self parodying]
A source directly familiar with information provided to prosecutors said Rove's interest was so strong that it prompted questions in the White House. When asked at one point why he was pursuing the diplomat so aggressively, Rove reportedly responded: "He's a Democrat." Rove then cited Wilson's campaign donations, which leaned toward Democrats, the person familiar with the case said.
Top Aides Reportedly Set Sights on Wilson
hang it up fellas
Smarter, please.
America had a thirst for blood after 9/11 and Saddam was a bad guy. Therefore...
America had a thirst for blood after 9/11 and Saddam was a bad guy. Therefore...
And as tempting as it is to hope that Fitzgerald brings down the whole lot of these lying, traitorous, opportunistic scumbags, don't be too disappointed if indictments are few or narrow. It was a long road from charging the Watergate burglars to bringing down the house. The existence of the White House tapes was an insignificant detail that happened to come out during the testimony of an insignificant figure in the White House. One a glimpse of the truth is visible, things have a way of getting out of control. Fitzgerald is doing the right thing by doing his job and only his job, as long as he's doing it well.
Wilson lied.
"Saddam was a bas guy but we [sic] killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians!"
[which -- evn if true-- is 1/3-1/10 as many as "we" had killed and continued to kill with sanctions!]
Next time someone out of the middle east takes it in their minds to kill a bunch of us, and someone asks why, I'll be pointing in your direction. I also wish that you murderous filth would quit using the rest of us as human shields and group on mass so they can kill the right people.
The links between AIPAC, spies in the Pentagon, etc has been discussed for some time. Those who presented this theory were originally mocked. How apropos that it turns out to be the fucking truth if not very close to it. BTW, if you have tried to discuss this on Kos, you are troll rated or banned for being an 'anti-semite'. Who the fuck is paying the bills over there?
In response to the question of why the rove needed to "get" Wilson. Wilson himself pointed out that it was to send a message to anyone else who might be thinking of disloyalty to the furor. The rove empire is built on iron, and I do mean iron fisted discipline. Remember that in the first days of his administration, way before 9/11, rove felt the need to publicly spank the republican chair of the education comittee, Jim Jeffords, for his objection to the tax cuts by not inviting him to a rose garden ceremony honoring the teacher of the year award, which was going to a teacher from Jeffords own home state of Vermont. This level of petty venality was intended to show every one in the Party that the eye of Sauron is upon you at all times, all transgressions will be hugely and publicly punished, and reconciliation is not an option. The first act lost rove control of congress for a year and I hope the second costs him his entire administration.
As to the forged documents, though, Atrios is right that they're why the whole State of the Union "16 words" firestorm started.
Giving in to Wilson's criticism started a feeding frenzy about how the sentence got into the SOTU, but the WH preferred that to having people take a closer look at the "British report" and finding out it was based on the forged Niger documents.
The proof is in the Ari Fleischer press conference the day after Wilson's op-ed, where he suddenly backed away from the SOTU claim on uranium. For an explanation, see:
http://www.needlenose.com/node/view/2097
(expanding on a post I wrote more than a year ago)
BTW, if you have tried to discuss this on Kos, you are troll rated or banned for being an 'anti-semite'. Who the fuck is paying the bills over there?
Bet atrios feels the same way. Just based on his shitty smear posts depicting Hitchens as a holocaust denier (not that Hitchens isn't loathsome, but it's just absolutely not true), he used a pic of Sami al-Arian (who is almost certainly not only a political prisoner but one subject to solitary confinement and torture) and Bush together to show Bush and a "terrorist", etc..
He doesn't do this stuff because some cabal of Jews conspiring in a cave in the Negev pay his bandwidth bill, it's because it's easy.
You don't get a bunch of hysterical shreiking out of an incredibly loud little minority of zionist American Jews and a bunch of coughing and shuffling papers and the mainly either ignorant or soft zionist spectrum of liberal who becomes confused and anxious by questions like Palestine because there are two native victim identities at odds with each other.
Oh, and by native, I do mean American.
I wonder if there will any idictments made in regard to the forgery of the yellow cake documents. I believe Sy Hersh wrote that two former CIA agents did it to embarrass the White House, but I doubt it. I think Sy might have been the target of another WHIG disinformation campaign.
Fitzgerald is investigating WHIG. Is he looking at the possibility that they forged the documents? Did they go after Wilson because they were worried that he might learn something that would expose the forgers?
Next time someone out of the middle east takes it in their minds to kill a bunch of us, and someone asks why, I'll be pointing in your direction.
why is it unsurprising you'd blame ME for some third party coming to kill YOU [part of "us"]! somehow I doubt your fingerpointing will matter much to anyone when that awful day does arrive. It's a good thing all the real weapons [as opposed to index fingers] are in the hands of the US government. God bless America [wipes away tear.]
Why am I unsuprised that you are so damn dumb that killing a few megahumans through sanctions and bombing would have absolutely no consequences and that if some nihilistic, sociopath like you decided to play payback on the death scorecard at random (like you) it's just totally not connected.
I was accussed of hating Jews by LGFer Pamela Atlas Shrugs because I wrote about the documentary "Checkpoint." I'm still pissed off about it. I know real anti-Semitism. I once cradled a shotgun all night long in defense of my family because of a threat a white supremecist made to "burn us out."
I also wish that you murderous filth would quit using the rest of us as human shields and group on mass so they can kill the right people.
PS we have already, & yes they try "killing the right people" every day! Is there no CNN in your cave, Ed Marshall??? Or have the Zionists cut the power???
Heil Hitler! [wipes away tear.]
eh?
Ed Marshall, we know already that it's the Jews fault, you dont need to press the point! Your fingerpointing is noted. Sanctions and bombing in the context of Iraq are mutually exclusive certainties. I will phone ariel sharon and have your power re-attached if this helps.
ps ed the profound nincompoop, 50+ years since 1948 still uses 'zionist' as a pejorative, and claims MY politics invite violence! Oy gevalt!
The IAEA did not even send a team to Niger because their insiders and collaborators told the agency the documents were falsified. El Baradei made the announcement at the UN following Powell's Powerpoint presentation in fall of '02. The US tried to remove El-Baradei from the agency, but failed. The same gang of crooks and liars floated a story saying El-Baradei was concealing Egypt's "nuclear program" (yeah, rigthe).
Anyway, the entire Western world knew about the forgeries and stovepipe scheme before the US public did.
So, what are the chances that Fitzgerald, or another "special" kind prosecutor (a la Ken Star), will be able to carry this all the way back to the energy/oil policy meetings (Iraqi oil field maps) and Ken Lay, and Enron, and PNAC, and APIC, and etc?
Hmmm?
How do you think I used it as a pejorative?
Is there any thought going on here at all?
cheney wanted cia to send someone to niger to get info on yellowcake, more 'evidence' to stack on the pile. cheney thought he could intimidate the cia underlings into delivering bad intel. it worked before ....
tenet, however, decided to send someone who couldn't be bulldozed by a few trips down to langley. so he chose plame's husband, well-known tough-guy from state and baghdad. it just never occurred to tenet that cheney's goons would out plame. just unthinkable to a company man. a fatal detail, perhaps...
wilson's trail pointed back to cheney, hence wilson had to be destroyed. rove has always had good luck going after a trouble-maker's family, letting them pressure the subject into pulling back into his shell. i think molly ivins wrote about rove starting a whispering camapign in alambama about a judge on the juvenile court being a pedophile. in that case, the judge withdrew to take the pressure off his family. maybe rove thought that outing plame would cause her to go into hiding. with plame in hiding, wilson couldn't very well keep speaking out, without endangering his wife.
'always attack your opponent's strength' is rove's m.o. wilson is a manly man. have a look at wilson's stunt with the manila necktie in baghdad in 1991. that's some cojones. so tie him to wifey's apron strings, goes rove's train of thought.
the whole plame-out was just one loose thread that cheney and rove wanted to snip off, before it caused the whole suit of lies to unreval. because plame leads to wilson, which leads to niger, which leads to yellowcake, which leads to forgeries, which leads to ledeen and the whole group of people who deliberately fabricated the evidence for a war. which was eagerly taken up by the MSM (because no one ever bought a newspaper with the headline PEACE BREAKS OUT!). everyone got what they wanted, until that pesky wilson opened his big fat mouth.
the one big mistake was not outing plame. the fatal misstep was the NYT letting wilson write that op-ed in july 2003. if the NYT had resisted the urge to have a scoop - an urge they've successfully resisted since - none of this would have happened.
Ed Marshall, we know already that it's the Jews fault, you dont need to press the point!
You are on crack.
Sanctions and bombing in the context of Iraq are mutually exclusive certainties.
Once again, I invite you to habitate somewhere where other people believe in this so when someone makes the hard decision that you guys are too dangerous to other humans to be allowed to live they can get you in one shot without other people paying the bill.
World War II Pearl Harbor "surprise" attack
Stop. Just stop that bullshit right goddamn now.
I'll just cut to the chase: there was no bloody conspiracy to allow the Japanese to provoke Pearl. None, zero, zip, nada. Anyone who claims otherwise is either a gullible idiot for believeing some of the most lame-ass conspiracy theorists in history or is incredibly ignorant of history.
How about showing some simple common fucking sense? If there was a conspiracy, with the goal of "allowing" the Japanese to attack, why let it go through? Why not try to stop it, catch the Japanese flatfooted when they expected to do so to the Americans (Midway six months earlier, basically)? A sneak attack that *fails* is just as much a sneak attack as one that succeeds and a just cause for war.
No, there was no conspiracy at Pearl Harbor.
It was not just that Wilson had to be smeared to defend Bushco politically (and the ginned-up war on Iraq), but also, Plame and her front company Brewster Jennings' work vis-a-vis ARAMCO had to be curtailed by Bushco. The intelligence they worked on was not just WMD but energy intelligence including about Saudi oil. It was inconvenient to the Bush/Saud oilygopoly to have Plame and Brewster Jennings knowing strategic stuff about their oil bidness. See Sherlock Google on Kos, who describes Brewster Jennings' relationship with ARAMCO as reported in WaPo & NYT.
No reputable historian thinks that the US gov knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, but this has been a staple of Nazi-sympathizing right-wing isolationist propaganda for years.
Atios,
You are right on the money. It was the exposure of the degree to which Team Bush was complicit in launching a war planned for and advocated by key Tema Bush backers. Literally the Iraq war is the first US initiated war launched on behalf of lobbying interests, rather than Security or Foreign Policy concerns. It was never in US interests, and many many people withing the governement Defense and Intelligence community knew this and continue to know this. This isn't hyperbole this is fact.
People like Helen Thomas and Walter Pincus know just how dark the decisions issued from this White House really have been. Any casual study of the actual facts of the war "run-up" lead directly to the realm of high crimes and treason, crazy as that sounds.
Another confusing thing to me about the Niger documents is that the country's Rome embassy was broken into in early 2001. Every report I've read emphasizes that among the thing stolen was stationary bearing the embassy letterhead. I always wonder what's being implied with that emphasis? That some scheme to frame Iraq on wmds was afoot as soon as the Bush administration hit the ground?
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And weren't some CIA agents arrested in Italy not too long ago. Ding!Ding! I think we have a winner.
"Once again, I invite you to habitate somewhere where other people believe in this so when someone makes the hard decision that you guys are too dangerous to other humans to be allowed to live they can get you in one shot without other people paying the bill."
You might also hope they come armed with more than index fingers. Glad to know you're irrelevant to their projects (and mine.) Your irrelevance is noted and your honesty appreciated.
PS, the Zionists are in Israel, their place of habitation is well understood and yes they come under attack almost daily. Lucky for them index fingers pack such a puny yield, otherwise ed marshall and co. might pose some kind of threat as well.
Death to the Zionists-er Likudniks- er Jews!
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