I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Throw her in the clink with the lot of them.
Valerie Flame? No wonder those keyword searches at the WH missed stuff.
NY TIMES: FIERY WRECK!
Little Judy Warmonger's memory is selective because she must save something for her book -- the book she's being paid $1.2 million to write.
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she kept kind of drifting on her own back into the national security realm.
I had to read that a couple of times before I got the real meaning.
Here is the cover-up in all its glory. Four "could not recalls" in four paragraphs from Ms. Chalabi's first person account
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"...I said I couldn't be certain whether I had known Ms. Plame's identity before this meeting, and I had no clear memory of the context of our conversation that resulted in this notation...
Mr. Fitzgerald asked me whether Mr. Libby had mentioned nepotism. I said no. And as I told the grand jury, I did not recall - and my interview notes do not show - that Mr. Libby suggested that Ms. Plame had helped arrange her husband's trip to Niger. My notes do suggest that our conversation about Ms. Plame was brief.
"...Mr. Fitzgerald asked me about another entry in my notebook, where I had written the words "Valerie Flame," clearly a reference to Ms. Plame. Mr. Fitzgerald wanted to know whether the entry was based on my conversations with Mr. Libby. I said I didn't think so. I said I believed the information came from another source, whom I could not recall..."
Mr. Fitzgerald asked if I could recall discussing the Wilson-Plame connection with other sources. I said I had, though I could not recall any by name or: when those conversations occurred...."
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Sharper knives, please.
it's the Ronald Reagan defense.
The real test is how this plays with the rest of the media. Do they give the Times a pass "for old times sake" or do they do what they say they do as journalists?
Fitzgerald will stick her on the witness stand. And see if she recalls anything then.
Scooter is so fucking fucked. The Espionage Act is in play. And Cheney is in Fitz's radar.
First, just because one has a security clearance doen't entitle one to hear everything...need to know is the basic line..which Judy didn't have. Embedded reporter in Iraq doesn't entitle her to any and all items of interest labeled secret.
Second, odd that she can remember specific questions from memory during her grand jury sitting, but can't remember specifics in her notes. Especially when specific references to Plame/Flame are mixed with her notes concerning talks with Libby.
Leads me to believe she's hiding something. Political blackmail perhaps?
regards
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I don't know why but reading the NYT article reminded me of Erica Kane in All My Children in yet another lame and twisted story line. When the teevee movie comes out (and you know it won't be long), I can definitely see Susan Lucci playing Ms. Miller acting all scared and vulnerable and all...
I want indictments and I want them NOW!
(Sorry, I'm feeling impatient today.)
Maybe the Times thinks this too will pass. Why else would they settle for less than a full airing of the mess?
I agree with the above though, it's a fiery wreck and I don't see movement in the wreckage now that they've come forward.
As for the NY Times: fucking inexcusable.
Instead of a martini and meat, they should have locked her in the stationery closet until she fessed up.
Little Judy Warmonger's memory is selective because she must save something for her book -- the book she's being paid $1.2 million to write.
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Dartanyon
Bingo!!
My exact reaction. Li'l Miss Judy's piece was nothing but a trailer for the book.
She never has given it away for free, y'know.
it's the Ronald Reagan defense.
Works rather well, doesn't it?
So THIS was what we've been waiting for from the NYT?
What a whitewash.
Entirely expected, though.
The Grey Lady is dead. Long live.... ummm...what's that next part again??
"Mr. Fitzgerald asked me whether Mr. Libby had mentioned nepotism. I said no. And as I told the grand jury, I did not recall - and my interview notes do not show - that Mr. Libby suggested that Ms. Plame had helped arrange her husband's trip to Niger. My notes do suggest that our conversation about Ms. Plame was brief."
Notice she has a distinct and clear memory that nepotism wasn't mentioned, and isn't in her notes. But things that ARE in her notes she can't recall for sure.
The Times has been made a laughingstock, as are the people in the media that stood up for judyjudy.
I pray that Fitz has something, anything to charge her with. Disgusting.
"Do they give the Times a pass "for old times sake" "
You mean like the one they gave Dan Rather?
awab - you funny.
NY TIMES: FIERY WRECK!
res ipsa loquitur
Valerie Flame-Out?
it's the Ronald Reagan defense
The Republicans really only know a few tricks. This is one of them. 'Presidential Pardon' is one of the others.
Long Live Le Monde, that last of the newspapers that tell it straight!
I want a televised OJ trial once the charges are filed. Lots of TV and and a take no prisoners prosecutor.
she kept kind of drifting on her own back into the national security realm.
That's the most disgusting euphemism I have ever seen!
In Judy's lips The Times sensed a danger:
She's got the eyes of a stranger
And yes, they have been sleeping for all these years.
Scooter is so fucking fucked.
Serves him right simply for allowing himself to be called "Scooter."
I wish I had a subscription to the NYTimes just so I could cancel it.
Reading Miller's account is like masturbating versus engaging in real sex; one is automatic and quickly forgotten whereas the other is satisfying and memorable.
"I can definitely see Susan Lucci playing Ms. Miller"
No way - it's got to be that lady from Desperate Housewives.
Miller was basically uncooperative with reporters...
Boy, there's a surprise...
Did I mention Scooter has angst in his pants?
The times piece contains only a nugget or two in 8 pages...it does confirm all of Ariana's reporting on internal discontent though.
Is it possible for a newspaper to jump the shark?
I'd love to see Miller taken as a hostile witness in front of the cameras.
Let her try running the "can't recall" throwaway there and see what happens.
Ms. Miller was not a rogue reporter. Ask Friedman and Kristol.
"I can definitely see Susan Lucci playing Ms. Miller"
No way - it's got to be that lady from Desperate Housewives.
Mr. Met
Which one?
Some of them have shit for brains too.
The woman should be shunned.
"I can definitely see Susan Lucci playing Ms. Miller."
No way. I vote for Linda Hunt.
Even so, Mr. Keller said, "she kept kind of drifting on her own back into the national security realm."
Uh, Mr. Keller, aren't you supposed to be her fucking boss?
the main stream media are criminals covering for other criminals.
I detest them all.
Uh, Mr. Keller, aren't you supposed to be her fucking boss?
I think that might have been part of the problem...
Another interesting moment is at the end of Ms. Miller's account. Notice the usage of "In answer."
Mr. Libby's Letter
...... Mr. Fitzgerald asked me to read the final three paragraphs aloud to the grand jury......
Mr. Fitzgerald also focused on the letter's closing lines. "Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning," Mr. Libby wrote. "They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."
How did I interpret that? Mr. Fitzgerald asked.
In answer, I told the grand jury about my last encounter with Mr. Libby. It came in August 2003, shortly after I attended a conference on national security issues held in Aspen, Colo. After the conference, I traveled to Jackson Hole, Wyo. At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was.
"Judy," he said. "It's Scooter Libby."
Raw Story reports Miller is on indefinite leave of absence. Reporters at the Times say she is fired.
And I'm all like, I don't care what you say I need to hear it from him. And he's like okay, here's a note.
And I'm all nuh-uh, no note. As if! He has to say it to my face. You know? I mean everyone's looking at me. And not just cuz I'm so hot. So I'm like any day now...
What is all the uproar about? It seems the committee report indicated that everything Wilson was untrue. I repeat, what is all the uproar about?
"July 7, 2004. On that date, the bipartisan Senate Select Intelligence Committee released a 511-page report on the intelligence that served as the foundation for the Bush administration's case for war in Iraq. The Senate report includes a 48-page section on Wilson that demonstrates, in painstaking detail, that virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false." - The Weekly Standard
she kept kind of drifting on her own back
In a hot tub at the Ritz Carlton? With Keller pouring champagne on her?
I said I had known Mr. Libby indirectly through my work as a co-author of "Germs," a book on biological weapons published in September 2001. Mr. Libby had assisted one of my co-authors, and the first time I met Mr. Libby he asked for an inscribed copy of "Germs."
"...available in the 99¢ bin in a bookstore near you!"
The times piece contains only a nugget or two in 8 pages...it does confirm all of Ariana's reporting on internal discontent though.
As annoyed as I am at the Times editorial staff for not reining ms. chalabi in, I do have some sympathy for them.
judy behaved like a 400 lb gorrilla and the publisher let her. Pretty hard for a mere editor to fight with that.
semper fubar, if Bush does issue Presidential Pardon's, will all pardonee's still be allowed to keep their stations? It definitely would make the Rule of Law impotent.
regards
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I like Marcia Gay Harden for Judy.
At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was.
"Judy," he said. "It's Scooter Libby."
shawk
that's just a wee cinematic, don't you think.
shawk, yeah, WTF did THAT mean? How do you end a story with that?
All that said, I'm not letting them off the hook.
I think it's time for sultzberger to step back from the paper.
Grover Norquist wetdream: Louisiana--A grim scenario of budget cuts that could force thousands of state employees out of work, slash vital health services and devastate education spending were presented Friday to lawmakers.
I want a televised OJ trial once the charges are filed. Lots of TV and and a take no prisoners prosecutor.
Al Swearengen
Considering how that turned out, I don't agree with you.
Judy Miller………The Swiss cheese of reporters!
Judy is like Horace Slughorn.
It seems the committee report indicated that everything Wilson was untrue.
It seems you're full of shit, just like the 'additional remarks' to that committee report, prepared and signed off solely by the Republicans, and based upon sources who had no knowledge of the events at hand.
Thanks for playing, fuckpig.
Is Judy still getting that 1st Amendment Award on the 18th at the Society for Professional Journalism? Any bets? I've got 3-1 against. 1000 quatloos.
We had to stand behind her because she was one of our reporters. We had no choice.
OK, Libby is the main focus of Miller's testimony. I wonder if that means he's the only one facing some serious charges, or whether Judy is trying to make him out as the bad guy, thereby shielding his bosses.
While I deeply respect Mr. Fitzgerald's ability to stop all leaks so that he's got a fair shot with the Grand Jury, I sure wish we had more info on just what he's actually zeroing in on.
Le Monde was jumping on the Iraq war bandwagon, arguing for the right of "ingérence" during the run-up to the war, i.e. the right to interfere in other countries' sovereign shit when there was a nobler cause to defend. I don't read them very often now, so I don't know if they have changed their tune since then.
What is all the uproar about?
OMG!!! Maybe you better rush that information right over to the WH so they can dismiss the entire matter!!! Maybe you can explain why no one in DC has done so?
I agree with the above explanations regarding her book. She can't give that away, after all, isn't that why she went in the slammer for 85 days?
$1.2 Million works out to about $14,000 a day.
Gosh, I wish I could get thrown in jail for $14K a day. What a lucky woman Miller is. She probably smiled the entire time.
virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false." - The Weekly Standard
J.E. Thornhill
JE, I think you need to prepare yourself for the possibility that Wilson and Plame are NOT going to be indicted for treason.
Just sayin', dude.
Okay, now wait a minute....
In 2001 she meets Libby,
said I had known Mr. Libby indirectly through my work as a co-author of "Germs," a book on biological weapons published in September 2001. Mr. Libby had assisted one of my co-authors, and the first time I met Mr. Libby he asked for an inscribed copy of "Germs."
who becomes a source, yet in August 2003 she doesn't recognize him? WTF?
After the conference, I traveled to Jackson Hole, Wyo. At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was.
"Judy," he said. "It's Scooter Libby."
Not as bad a piece as I expected since, as you point out, its dominant tenor is that JM is full of shit.
And you've totally nailed the key bits; her lying about what she said to Abramson and her lying to Taubman.
The article also shows what a complete bozo Floyd Abrams is. He and Miller "spun" a clearly expressed voluntary waiver into (a) a year of non-communication with Libby's counsel or the prosecutor, (b) a crushing legal defeat for the concept of a journalist's right to protect sources who were promised anonymity, and (c) a client in jail for 85 days for no reason at all, only to end up testifying anyway. Way to go Floyd and Judy!
But, as the Geico commercials would say, there is some good news; Floyd got millions in fees and Judy got endless notriety and will likely get her book deal. Way to go Floyd and Judy (for real)!
I like Marcia Gay Harden for Judy.
edub
Uh-uh. Bree would never ask for an escort into the building because she was feeling vulnerable. The part has to be played by a certified drama queen. BTW, Marcia Gay Harden got her start on a soap opera. One Life to Live, I believe.
Mary Louise Parker has the misty moxie and the frickin' crazy to play Judy Miller especially well.
really? is full of shit.
Maybe the Times thinks this too will pass. Why else would they settle for less than a full airing of the mess?
A full airing of this stinking mess is the last thing the NYT wants, as this article pretty much made clear. They are in CYA mode, and instead of firings and resignations, we get indifference and BS. The Times is fast becoming the Fishwrapper of Record.
Yeah, I know, what do I mean, "becoming"...
"I can definitely see Susan Lucci playing Ms. Miller"
No way - it's got to be that lady from Desperate Housewives.
Mr. Met
Which one?
Dangit, queen crab - I knew someone wouls ask that. Here. Stunning resemblance, eh what?
http://www.fametracker.com/
hey_i...et_sansom.shtml
IIRC, Fitzgerald got the contempt citations for Miller and Cooper from a judge based on Fitzgerald's assertion that his investigation was almost wrapped up but he needed these two journalists to testify.
They have.
Does that mean indictments next week?
That's the most disgusting euphemism I have ever seen!
well, given how much time she allegedly spends on it, you could see why I was confused.
The Senate report includes a 48-page section on Wilson that demonstrates, in painstaking detail, that virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false."
You're quoting the Weakly Standard?
Painstaking detail, eh?
Good. Now we can laugh even harder at those clowns.
The end passage in Mr. Libby's letter may imply that the conspiracy has been uncovered and people are talking to Mr. Fitzgerald.
In return for this rather important piece of information, Mr Libby had a modest request.
Essentially, Ms. Miller says that Mr. Libby asked her to go as easy on him as possible. Perhaps the extra notes discovered after her first appearance made that difficult.
However obscured by the account, this is the element of the story that should stick in the collective craw of the NYT newsroom.
"Germs" was an absolute piece of shit, totally unreadable. I never made it past the first chapter. I thought it was going to be like "The Hot Zone." What a disappointment.
I think Atrios' suggestion of the actress who played Frasier's Agent is on the money...even has the right voice.
Fitz seems to ba asking a lot of questions bout the Veep, doesn't he?
I read the Times story. The last chance at redemption has passed. It was vague pablum. Several of the problems were mentioned almost in passing, but they never took the step and pointed them out. It is almost as if they were trying to get us to read between the lines.
psycho-bitch judy and the reagan defense [a no-lube handjob]: 'valerie what?'
i feel dirty after reading the NY Crimes.
Many states have laws on the books which preclude a criminal from profiting from their crimes by getting money for books or movies about the crime.
Is there such a law on the federal books?
I think Judith Miller should be played by Gilbert Gottfried. But maybe that's just me.
Judy's credibility is shot, and you have to wonder what the GJ must think. How can she be "inside" with Libby on the Plame game, a man she admits having known for 2 years, and not recognize him three months later at a rodeo? That dog don't hunt.
That's the most disgusting euphemism I have ever seen!
well, given how much time she allegedly spends on it, you could see why I was confused.
watertiger
Absolutely.
she kept kind of drifting on her own back into the national security realm.
she did a lot of stuff on her own back.
And Doody Judy used to pop up prim and full of bangs to smile as her co-authorship was noted, right before she'd lie through her teeth to the American people.....GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
Is "Flame" a stupid pun about burning an agent's identity?
Does it pertain to Flaming her and her husband in the press?
P's and F's don't get confused that easily. B's and P's but not F's.
How can she be "inside" with Libby on the Plame game, a man she admits having known for 2 years, and not recognize him three months later at a rodeo?
She didn't recognize him with his clothes on.
"P's and F's don't get confused that easily. B's and P's but not F's."
If you print slopily and don't close the loop, it looks like F instead of P...
One big wet juicy raspberry for the NYTimes 'big story.' A day late, and now, the Times a few dollars short. They picked the wrong fight alright, and the saddest thing of all is that they put an entire newspaper at risk on the whims of a diva. Hint to Judy: The 'restrained' applause of your colleagues after your victory speech about the glorious 'principle' accomplished wasn't because they just didn't get it--it was because they just don't believe it.
One more thing--Valerie 'Flame' is probably not a mistake, it's probably the name of the op.
She didn't recognize him with his clothes on.
He was probably happy to see her.
She didn't recognize him with his clothes on.
Damn, you're probably right. I was guessing "rodeo" was a euphemism for anything bareback.
Is "Flame" a stupid pun about burning an agent's identity?
My partner and I were speculating about this too.
We've concluded it's bitchiness on Miller's part -- she's' jealous of the blonde, beautiful and sexy Valerie Plame.
if Bush does issue Presidential Pardon's, will all pardonee's still be allowed to keep their stations?
But why not? It's not like they were convicted of any crime.
Seriously, I would like to see Wes Clark (or whomever our next Democratic President is) propose a constitutional amendment limiting the President's ability to pardon any member of his administration or an administration where he served as Vice President. The President would be able to petition the Senate to permit a pardon of such individuals, but it would take 3/4 of the Senate voting in favor of such a pardon.
The could act out scenes from the Misfits over at Dickie's place.
My vision for The Movie, would be something along All The President's Men - I think Alan Pakula directed it, or Z. But who do we get to write it? I want to see the whole thing unfold: Wilson, Plame, WHIG, Blair, Bush, Cheney, Miller, Scooter, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Bolton & Fleischer.
Frankly, I bet there's a few out there (like Redford) who just waiting for the right script, and the end of the story.
One more thing--Valerie 'Flame' is probably not a mistake, it's probably the name of the op.
Good one.
"Does that mean indictments next week?"
Diane, possibily. Unless Ms Miller openned a Pandora's Box and Fitz needs more time to explore new avenues from the wake she may have caused.
Personally, I suspect Ms. Miller was being fed info from another source, not mentioned or known. Seems the other person was was part of the interviews with Libby. While Libby was trying to distance Cheny, the other was discrediting Wilson. Just my opinion from what I'm reading.
regards
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"I think Atrios' suggestion of the actress who played Frasier's Agent is on the money...even has the right voice."
You and I are speaking of the same woman, attaturk. Harriet Sansom Harris. She was on Six Feet Under for a while as well.
she's' jealous of the blonde
And well she should be...
I think she's more jealous of Novak though.
she's' jealous of the blonde
And well she should be...
I think she's more jealous of Novak though.
Al Swearengen
Hahahahahahaha
Gilbert Gottfried starring as Judith Miller.
really? is a product of the School of the One Note Lie. He knows one word of French, ingérence, so naturally he has to insist this is what Le Monde wrote.
I think Judith Miller should be played by Gilbert Gottfried. But maybe that's just me.
spinoza
No, no, spinoza. That's just perfect.
Unless Ms Miller openned a Pandora's Box and Fitz needs more time to explore new avenues from the wake she may have caused.
I could live with that.
semper fubar, if Bush does issue Presidential Pardon's
"if"? There is no "if" about this. Bush will pardon everyone who talked to, seen, heard of, smelt, felt, or stood in an elevator with anyone who can even spell "Valerie Plame". He'll see this whole thing as a personal attack, and he'll just take his presidential bat abd ball and go home. Nyah!
Look how the AP is running with it...Anytime you see a headline/lede like that, you know they think the person is full of shit:
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Miller Can't Recall Who Gave Agent's Name
By PETE YOST, Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Notes by the New York Times' Judith Miller that were turned over in a criminal investigation contain the name of a covert
CIA officer, but the reporter has told prosecutors she cannot recall who disclosed the name, the newspaper reported Saturday.
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Judy Miller fancies her big fat ass as Uma Thurman.
Thursday, Byron Calame, the NY Times Public Editor, wrote a very strong piece saying in short that the time had come for the Times to tell all, and most especially for Miller to tell all.
I wrote to him the following:
Dear Mr. Calame,
Thank you for your powerful post yesterday "Now Is The Time." You have done more for the New York Times in this one article than Daniel Okrent did in his entire tenure.
I wish I shared your optimism about the timeliness with which the paper might address Ms. Miller's role in this unfortunate affair (and more broadly, in the entire run-up to the invasion of Iraq.) My own guess is that nothing will come from Ms. Miller before Mr. Fitzgerald has issued at least a preliminary report, with or without indictments from the grand jury. Frankly, it would not surprise me were she herself in some legal jeopardy. The late appearance of the notes concerning the June 23 meeting, until recently unknown to the general public and conveniently forgotten by Ms. Miller, only adds to the impression that Ms. Miller has not been entirely forthcoming with either Mr. Fitzgerald or the grand jury. Why Mr. Keller seems to place her welfare above that of the paper is a mystery.
I have been a subscriber to the New York Times since 1970, and a reader since 1967. I am surprised afresh every day that the Times has not yet given us the story now known to at least a few of their reporters. This silence is eating through the paper's credibility as relentlessly as an acid bath. It may yet prove that Ms. Miller will have done more damage to the paper and to Mr. Keller than Jayson Blair did to the paper and to Howell Raines.
I apologize for asking you this so baldly, but would you be willing to resign if you felt you had not been given an honest account of Ms. Miller's actions?
Again, thank you for your efforts to keep the paper trustworthy.
Best wishes from Chicago,
David Derbes
Thus far, no response, but let's face it, he's probably fairly busy right about now.
You will see an increase in anal sex references at dependable renegade.
I've said too much already.
watertiger
the people demand it!
semper fubar, if Bush does issue Presidential Pardon's
"if"? There is no "if" about this. Bush will pardon everyone who talked to, seen, heard of, smelt, felt, or stood in an elevator with anyone who can even spell "Valerie Plame". He'll see this whole thing as a personal attack, and he'll just take his presidential bat abd ball and go home. Nyah!
I'd actually kinda like to see that...
nur al cubicle, I am not full of shit. I can read French and happened to read Le Monde just prior to war in Iraq.
Interesting thing about the French during the run-up to the war, and during the early phases of the war itself: the left was pro-war, the right was anti-war, and the population was solidly anti-war.
Bernard-Henri Levy and Bernard Koutchner were among the strong proponents of the right to interfere in other sovereign countries' business if the circumstances demanded it. BHL needs no introduction, Koutchner started Medecins sans Frontieres, and was once a Cabinet Minister.
And well she should be...
I think she's more jealous of Novak though.
Al Swearengen
Hahahahahahaha
Wow, that laugh really gave me a flash.
Just compare and contrast these two figures.
Plame get's named a lot, but seldom does she get any credit. Put her alongside Miller and the contrast is striking, and I'm not talking about her physical beauty. It's like she's so much the better human being, and it's evident from a great distance.
E and P lays the wood:
http://
www.editorandpublisher.co...t_id=1001306690
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bushes first pardon
osama bin laden
for the career help he gave him
I think Judith Miller should be played by Gilbert Gottfried.
OMG! ROLFMAO!!! Flawless!
"Look how the AP is running with it...Anytime you see a headline/lede like that, you know they think the person is full of shit:"
I'm hoping that the other journalists that stood by her now know how full of shit they were for doing so in this case.
I would also be unbelieving of almost anything any journalist would write if they can't remember from their notes what the hell they were suppossed to.
In a just word, the profession would laugh her outta the room.
Well Bill Kristol sez it's a liberal conspiracy to ruin the conservatives, and, besides, everyone does it.
http://tinyurl.com/89e5q
Wapiti,
Ford pardoned Nixon before he could be impeached. And it was just days away from coming to fruition.
If Libby, Rove and others are indicted, Bush could pardon all and Fitz's efforts were all for nought. If that happens the question remains, if pardoned, are they Felons? If not, could they still stay in their positions in Government?
regards
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"That said, without benefit of the adversarial process, we must take care to ensure that the special counsel has met his burden of demonstrating that the information is both critical and unobtainable from any other source. Having carefully scrutinized his voluminous classified filings, I believe that he has. With respect to Miller---"
Eight redacted pages, over half of them devoted to Miller.
"In sum, based on an exhaustive investigation, the special counsel has established the need for Miller's and Cooper's testimony. Thus, considering the gravity of the suspected crime and the low value of the leaked information, no privilege bars the subpoenas."
Judy does not seem to be that bothered by what has happened.
If she said “I can’t remember”……………. And Rove said “I can’t remember”……………….. and all the others say “ I can’t remember”
What is going to happen?
You see if this was the Republicans, a call would go out across the land for all republicans to boycott the New York Times.
Reid, Dean etc should call out across the land for all Dems to boycott the Times.
Everyone goes on about Fox news, but only the sheep watch that shit. This is about a newspaper that hides behind the facade of credibility, while all the time pushing bullshit.
What struck me in looking at the two articles is that on the one hand: "Ms. Miller said she decided not to testify in part because she thought that Mr. Libby's lawyer might be signaling to keep her quiet unless she would exonerate his client."
And on the other hand: "The prosecutor asked my reaction to those words. I replied that this portion of the letter had surprised me because it might be perceived as an effort by Mr. Libby to suggest that I, too, would say we had not discussed Ms. Plame's identity."
So she was surprised at being asked to particpate in a conspiracy to obstruct justice, but willing to participate in one.
Repost: Little Brøther | Email | 10.07.05 - 1:48 pm
Does anyone expect the NYT comprehensive review of The Miller's Tale to be anything but carefully-crafted self-righteous ass-covering?
The question is not necessarily rhetorical.
The piece will include various fakes and pretenses that certain things may or even-- gasp!-- should have been handled better. And there are certainly Things to be Learned. Yes, maybe we can be found wanting here and there.
But all in all, this is the tale of a talented reporter picking her way through a dangerous and sinister swamp, and braving one peril after the other. Any slime attaching to her was deposited strictly in the line of duty.
Cue "Tea for Two", arranged by Gustav Mahler.
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Close enough.
If Libby, Rove and others are indicted, Bush could pardon all and Fitz's efforts were all for nought. If that happens the question remains, if pardoned, are they Felons? If not, could they still stay in their positions in Government?
Wouldn't it pretty much confirm Bush as Most Corrupt President Of All Time?
Well, Ms. Fucking-Miller has already been portrayed by Sarah Douglas, but she may be too old now.
Wouldn't it pretty much confirm Bush as Most Corrupt President Of All Time?
Eli
again he has to beat his dad at stuff!
"I said I believed the information came from another source, whom I could not recall," she wrote on Friday, recounting her testimony for an article that appears today.
Who the hell is she covering for?
I mean, this is the "depends on what the meaning of 'is,' is" answer.
"I don't recall" always means: "I ain't tellin', and you ain't gonna find out!"
I know, I know, you've probably beaten this to death by now. But can we regard Miller as dead, professionally, now?
Since she's simply a liar.
Judy miller
as played by the disembodies head of bette davis
"...Mr. Fitzgerald asked me about another entry in my notebook, where I had written the words "Valerie Flame,"
It would be really interesting to see a scan of the actual page from her notebook. I wonder if you'd be able to see erase marks turning the "P" into an "F".
Bush could pardon all....If that happens...
The Bush presidency is effectively over. He'll be eunuch in chief. Even the nutjob conservatives in Congress would dis him.
Judy Miller is quite happy with herself. She thinks she out-smarted Fitzgerald.
I think she's wrong and will find out soon how stupid she really was.
Even the nutjob conservatives in Congress would dis him.
Al Swearengen
yet the trolls would continue to defend him and use the liberal conspiarcy angle
"If she said “I can’t remember”……………. And Rove said “I can’t remember”……………….. and all the others say “ I can’t remember”
What is going to happen? "
If this was Aruba, everyone would go to Amsterdam. Yay!
Well, Ms. Fucking-Miller has already been portrayed by Sarah Douglas, but she may be too old now.
Judith "Fucking" Miller is 57. Sarah Douglas will be 53 in December.
Reading Miller's account is like masturbating versus engaging in real sex; one is automatic and quickly forgotten whereas the other is satisfying and memorable.
Dartanyon - 6:34 pm
I'm trying to keep up with you here-- so would you mind explaining exactly which is which?
Gotta be Patricia Clarkson to play JFM.
what is this
really close football games on TV day
Alright, people. Keep it real. I'm off to the theeee-ayter. Will check in later to see if we've got the whole movie cast yet.
Oh, and Corbin Bernsen for Scooter Libby.
and
Don Johnson as Patrrick fitzgerald
Well I happen to read Le Monde every day and they said no such thing. There could have been some opinion piece but certainly no editorial in favor of the war. Give me the cite if you think there was and I will verify it--otherwise I shall believe that you are shooting off your mouth. In the meantime, this is for your instruction.
En occident également l'ingérence humanitaire a des opposants. Beaucoup trouvent qu'elle ressemble un peu trop au colonialisme du XIXe siècle, propageant les valeurs de la démocratie libérale et considérant les autres cultures comme quantité négligeable. Comme le prouve la crise ouverte autour de l'intervention américaine en Irak, le délicat équilibre entre la répression des bourreaux et le respect de l'égalité souveraine des nations reste donc à trouver.
"Corbin Bernsen for Scooter Libby."
Good one.
How about Peter Griffin (Family Guy) for Rove?
I'd like to think Bush pardoning everyone in sight would signal the death of the Reptilian party.
Unfortunately, I'm sober, so I can't...
The big problem with Presidential Pardons is you can't go back to Kansas anymore. Once pardoned, they're untouchable.
regards
.
E&P:
For the first time this clearly, Miller, in today's article, admits, "WMD--I got it totally wrong," but then goes on to say that "all" of the other journalists, and experts and analysts, also were wrong. "I did the best job I could," she said.
Could this shed some light on why certain colleagues who worked with Ms. Judy had t-shirts made up referring to Ms. Judy as an "egregious cunt"?
How about Peter Griffin (Family Guy) for Rove?
Mr. Met
no clearly it's phillip seymour hoffman
Don Johnson as Patrrick fitzgerald
I'd vote for the babe on Grey's Anatomy -- the dark haired doc.
Maybe Dame Judith addresses it in her version, which I have not read, but in the main story I did not see an explanation of how she suddenly remembered the June meeting, or suddenly found the notes of that meeting. Am I missing something?
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President George W. Bush vowed on Saturday that the United States "will not run" from Iraq as it did from Vietnam, as he welcomed voting on a new Iraqi constitution and called it step forward for democracy.
from americablog
I'd vote for the babe on Grey's Anatomy -- the dark haired doc.
Dartanyon
that's
patrick dempsey
in the main story I did not see an explanation of how she suddenly remembered the June meeting, or suddenly found the notes of that meeting. Am I missing something?
No. I asked that question too. It's not covered. JFM herself brushes over it, too. Was there a special hidey-hole behind the cistern in the ladies' room?
she did a lot of stuff on her own back.
Saucer of milk, n69n?
Um, was the Notre Dame band just playing the Dr. Who theme?
Well I got done reading the whole 8 pages.
WE waited for that!
That was pretty damn unsatisfying.
No, sorry, not the theme - that "Dr. Who & The Tardis" song, by The Time Lords...
Expect Howie the Ho to get all sorts of shit from the NYT newsroom. Arianna's booked in for tomorrow. Should be fun.
No. I asked that question too. It's not covered
Me too and as i got to page 8 I realized there would be nothing.
Come on
I'm tyring to watch Houston/St. Louis
but Michigan/penn stae is too compeellin
so is Notre Dame?USC
No, sorry, not the theme - that "Dr. Who & The Tardis" song, by The Time Lords...
Eli |
the title is
"doctoring the tardis"
That unanswered question is critically important, for this reason:
The New York Times reporters who wrote that story KNEW it was critically important. They are pros. If they did not answer that question or even address it, the only explanation I can imagine is that they were not allowed to address it.
President George W. Bush vowed on Saturday that the United States "will not run" from Iraq as it did from Vietnam, as he welcomed voting on a new Iraqi constitution and called it step forward for democracy
Iraq is now, officially, Vietnam.
That fuckhead had better be impeached.
Just clicked on CNN's site.
Their lead story is a neo Nazi march in Ohio -- no mention of the NYT's pieces on Plamegate and Miller.
Curious.
Would it be too much to assume that pehaps the NYT may regard Ms. Millers testimony to the Grand Jury plus her past reporting as traits that do not stand up to the standards of their newspaper and dismiss her?
regards
.
Even the nutjob conservatives in Congress would dis him.
Al Swearengen
I see no precedent for that.
So she was surprised at being asked to particpate in a conspiracy to obstruct justice, but willing to participate in one.
That's it. That is what has been gnawing at me since I read the two articles.
Thank you.
One second left in the Michigan-Penn State game.
Penn State ahead. One play left.
It was actually a very good game.
This whole Plame leak case may require entire new universes of color to raise our terror alert level to.
Gilbert Gottfried for the body, but the voice coming out of it should be Jon Lovitz.
"Yes I wrote Valerie Flame but I can't recall who gave me that name. It wasn't Libby. Yeah, that's the ticket! I can't recall but it wasn't Libby."
The for the finish Gilbert's voice takes over and he can do The Aristocrats.
Michigan wins.
Whoa.
So, we are to believe that Judith spent 85 days in jail in order to protect her source -who she does not remember.
And she needed a release by Libby to testify about a converstion that revealed 'nothing'.
And for that she gets a medal for protecting the 1st ammendment and pats on the back by the NY Times.
In short Miller protects the 1st ammendment by not remembering her source and not testifying about an insignificant conversation. And the Aspens are loosing their leaves.
Cole,
Excellent point.
Alec Balswin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Is anyone tracking this?
Whoever said that Judy thinks she is being really clever and outsmarting Fitzgerald is right - I think she may have just begun her troubles.
She claims that she "can't recall" who told her about Valerie Plame or her job at CIA...when it's in notes she took in the month prior to Wilson's piece in her own paper, and Novak's column outing Plame.
I tend to think that if a jury was asked, "suppose someone told you some secret information, and a month later, there's a big public hulabaloo because that very same information showed up in another reporter's column...that you wouldn't remember who it was who had given you that exact same information only a month earlier?"
All reasonable people would call bullshit on that.
If Fitzgerald wants to charge her with perjury, he probably can get the GJ to vote the charges out.
Man, if you like College Football, there's a LOT of compelling stuff on at the moment.
I suspect that few stories will run until other reporter call their friends at the NYT and asking them how bad it really is.
The silence is like the sad vacuum that surrounds the announcement of terminal cancer in a favorite uncle.
Why do they keep acting like this?
"So, in summary, the white supremacists organize a march to ostensibly protest black criminal gangs and the black community responds by rioting, looting, and setting at least one building on fire -- in their own neighborhood. The logic escapes me." - Interested Participant on the riots in Toledo.
"Alec Balswin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Is anyone tracking this?"
I don't care as long as we get Jon Stewart to play himself.
"Alec Balswin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Is anyone tracking this?"
I don't care as long as we get Jon Stewart to play himself.
Iraq is now, officially, Vietnam.
That fuckhead had better be impeached.
pie
Iraq is worse than vietnam
because they actually have less strategy
except "we will not withdraw"
well why are we there
"we will noit withdraw or the turrrists win"
monica_nyc,
You said "...So she was surprised at being asked to particpate in a conspiracy to obstruct justice, but willing to participate in one."
I missed that. WHere did you read that, please?
Thanks!
regards
.
oops, that's Baldwin. 
The big problem with Presidential Pardons is you can't go back to Kansas anymore. Once pardoned, they're untouchable.
Even in civil court?
Alec Balswin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Is anyone tracking this?
The FBI.
Atrios has the sheets again, BTW.
Man, if you like College Football, there's a LOT of compelling stuff on at the moment.
attaturk
i know dude
and the rider hgame was a 1 point game too
this is a great day for thgose who loves themselves dsome football
The owl has left the aspens.
So fucking what?
Cole...brilliant point...wtf was she protecting in jail all that time?
The owl has left the aspens.
spinoza
Tena's summer vacation has endedand her Pioneer hubby drove the hummer home?
The New York Times reporters who wrote that story KNEW it was critically important. They are pros. If they did not answer that question or even address it, the only explanation I can imagine is that they were not allowed to address it.
Yeppy. And they pretty much made clear why.
We'll hear the story behind the story, probably courtesy of Howie the Ho, but perhaps via Arianna.
Presidential Pardons are the ultimate pardons...next best thing to going to heaven...nothing trumps them.
regards
.
All reasonable people would call bullshit on that.
And anyone interested party who has the merest interest in suing the NYT over a story it has published should go for it -- if that's all the NYT requires of its reporters in terms of keeping notes and tracking sources.
_________
I missed that. WHere did you read that, please?
Moad -Dib, it was posted by Doug, above @ 7:03 pm.
"wtf was she protecting in jail all that time"
Conspiracy Theory---someone else, unknown, was sitting in on the Libby interview too. If Ms. Miller discloses the name then all hell may break loose.
Besides, that unknown person may not have given their permisson for her to speak and Libby may be falling on the sword to protect the source.
regards
.
Thanks
For the first time this clearly, Miller, in today's article, admits, "WMD--I got it totally wrong,"
Yet, she was still using the source that fed her all of the bullshit (Chalabi) long after it was evident that the WMD stuff was "totally wrong". I think her last major story for the Times was one trying to discredit Kofi Annan by tying him the oil for food scandal using information passed on to her by a "prominent member of the Iraqi government" (left unnamed in the article), who just happened to be Chalabi. That was a few months ago.
What a fucking bitch.
no clearly it's phillip seymour hoffman
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HELL yes.
Atrios, you left this one out:
"'W.M.D. - I got it totally wrong,' she said. 'The analysts, the experts and the journalists who covered them - we were all wrong. If your sources are wrong, you are wrong.'"
Well, only if you take your sources' words as gospel, Judy.
WTF just happened in the USC game?!!!
Semper fubar---this in not a 'white wash'.
This is a full paint over with the darkest of black. Perhaps a prelude to a dirge on the passing of NY Times.
A Requiem: In memorium, on this day the once gallant NY Times died--------
May God have pity on its empty soul.
Judy Miller is 57? No way she could be that young. I thought she was older than anthrax.
Goddamit, a person can't even go and eat some dinner without being 200 comments behind. That'll teach me not to eat.
Who would've predicted the once mighty New York Times would allow itself to be used a neocon propaganda tool?
I still believe the 18 months of pro-war swill allegedly written my Judy Miller was written by the DOD and/or Pentagon.
You know, Judy, Rove, libby et al. all claiming that they can't recall has to piss off the grand jurors. Think about it. Fitzgerald had Rove for 4 1/2 hours (the fourth time) and he spent time with the others. I'm sure they were ask many questions that were answered, but the crucial questions: I can't recall. The grand jury members won't like that one bit. Despite what Bennett says, I'll believe that Judy is just a witness after the indictments are handed down. One last note: Judy can't very well remember everything for the sake of the book deal when she has told the grand jury that she doesn't recall. So what will the book be about? Unless she reveals a jailhouse romance, who the hell would buy the book? The publisher who gave her the advance will, I hope, regret his or her decision very quickly.
Bizarre and probably totally irrelevant note:
Remember there were TWO purported "misspellings" of Valerie Plame/Wilson's name in Judy Kneepads' notebook: the Valerie Flame and the "Victoria Wilson." Both are in all accounts presumed to refer to Joe Wilson's wife.
However....turns out there IS a Victoria Wilson who is a completely different person altogether. In 2001 she was a member of the US Civil Rights Commission and signed off on the Report on Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election.
Hmm. Can we, purely as a matter of speculation, come up with some reasons why Judy might have had that name written down in her Notebook of Leaks From Important Gubmint Leaky People?
Victoria Wilson was either (1) properly replaced at the end of her term or (2) forced out by Bush so he could replace her with a conservative guaranteed to have zero interest in promoting Civil Rights for anybody at all (pick one of the above) in December of 2001. We know the runup to the qWagmire was well under way by then...wonder who Judy was talking to, and about what, round about then?
Fuck the grey lady.
She's a willing participant in disinformation/propaganda with the usual justification of a higher purpose.
The stunning thing is Judy Miller will begin a lecture tour receiving $50,000 an appearance.
It's lucrative to be a whore for neocon propaganda.
Just ask Annthrax Coulter.
The same people who think Miers is an atheist feminist will misinterpret the NYT coverage of L'affaire Plame. But I can't figure out how they'll misinterpret it. For one thing, these people won't read the coverage themselves(I sympathize.) They'll read comments by other people. For another thing, the articles are hard to read anyway.
I can't wait to see how the fundies and the Bushies spin tomorrow's NYT.
Is there a new thread I can't see, or is everyone watching foosball?
Miller is what in the old Soviet Union was called zampolit: A political officer whose job it is to ensure that the entity in which she's embedded -- in this case, the NYT -- hews to the BushCo line where it counts. And nowhere has it counted more than in the runup to invading Iraq.
Speaking of zampolit:
">BushCo hacks faked up a Commerce Department report on manufacturing
They lie about everything. EVERYTHING.
Analysis of Judy's lying in her article describing her testimony is here at Left I on the News
Nur Al Cubicle, you may read Le Monde every day, but do you understand it?
I also read Marianne weekly, as well as Le Point, but not Le Monde anymore. I prefer Liberation after the way the "leftists" at Le Monde drooled over the war in Iraq and supported it. Si tu ne le savais pas, c'est peut-etre parce tu ne lis pas qui se passe en France tres souvent ou depuis tres longtemps.
If I had a subscription to the NYT, I would cancel it.
OK - I spent 12 hours today reading blogs and trying to understand what's going on. I am now "done, ruined and fucked" and ready to go to sleep.
Good night, atriots. Sweet dreams of pickles, sheets, lists and ponies.
"Ms. Miller said 'she had not been at the receiving end of a concerted effort, a deliberate organized effort to put out information.'"
Huh? There is no way she could know whether or not those casual mentions of the Wilsons were not part of a "deliberate, organized effort."
Ariana will be on CNN tomorrow at 10AM Eastern on Howard Kurtu'z Reliable sources to talk about NYT and Judy. Kurtz said his show is extending to 1 hour starting tomorrow and also at a new time at 10 Eastern.
Ariana will hit it out of the park.
Kurtz also has been tough on Judy and NYT in the recent weeks. He was mildly supportive of Judy back in summer, but pressure is mounting on everyone.
Ariana will set the agenda for the week on this story.
Hello batses!
I love you guys - but forgive me this OT chant!
ROSE BOWL - BITCHES!!!
HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!
Hey john, holden, rmj and other texasexes - graduate school or not.
myrna, if you're in Austin and want to come to a kind of Tom DeLay indictment party next Friday night... email me.
Seriously... other bloggers will be there...
Advertisement for the NYT:
The New York Times: where investigative journalism means...hey Judy, what does investigative journalism mean again?
You are a liar and a hopeless idiot, really?
Do these sound like a pro-war articles to you? [Le Monde Archives 18-21 March 2003]
La guerre est perçue comme une menace pour les régimes musulmans modérés.
Un espoir sur le volcan
Tony Blair tente de convaincre les Britanniques qu'une intervention contre l'Irak sera légale
Et après ?
Guerre et paix : des rhétoriques défaillantes
etc, etc, etc.
So piss off.
"Mary Louise Parker has the misty moxie and the frickin' crazy to play Judy Miller especially well."
The only problem is that MLP is hot!
"the main stream media are criminals covering for other criminals.
I detest them all."
Glad to find you've seen the light.
NO.
The misspellings are INTENTIONAL.
Get it? "I didn't give her the name."
"He didn't tell me her name."
Get it?
"Judy, write this down. Valerie Flame. That's V-a-l-e-r-i-e F-NOT P - l-a-m-e." *wink*
There you have it.
Will check in later to see if we've got the whole movie cast yet.
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Some of this cross-posted at Fire Dog Lake....
My spouse recommends:
Fitzgerald - George Clooney [no question]
Bush – William H. Macy
Cheney – Alec Baldwin
Rove – Gary Oldman
John Bolton – Harvey Keitel?
Scooter Libby – James Woods
Valerie Plame – Jodie Foster or Kristin Scott Thomas
Joe Wilson – Jeff Bridges
Judith Miller –
Ahmed Chalabi – F. Murray Abraham
Scott McClellan - Tom Booker (Jinxo in Bablyon 5) [I take credit for this bit of pure genius....]
Bob Novak – Tony Sirico (best known as Paulie Walnuts in the Sopranos)
Matt Cooper - John Carroll Lynch (best known as Norm Gunderson, Frances McDormand’s husband in Fargo)
Colin Powell - Morgan Freeman
Condi Rice – very difficult to cast - Angela Bassett?
Laura Bush – Holly Hunter
Gene Hackman would be great for Wilson, but too old for the part now.
Re Alec Baldwin for Cheney: Check him out in "Glengarry Glen Ross." Nuff said.
Someone else at FDL suggested Randy Quaid for Russert. Tweety is problematic, I suggest Van Johnson but he's 89....
Other recommendations here.
She and Rita Cosby must've have blown the same people to get their jobs!
Condi Rice – very difficult to cast - Angela Bassett?
Martin Lawrence in drag.
Glad to find you've seen the light.
J.E. Thornhill
Gee, it was SO nice without the trolls.
But they've come out from the woodwork today.
Tom Tomorrow has Joe Conason hinting Fuckert could be in trouble.
If Gannon is indicted I will have to buy adult diapers. Really. And I hate to brag, but I have excellent bladder control.
The article only proves that Miller's loyalties were not to the public, her coworkers, or to the NYT...her willingness to protect Libby and go to jail for him knowing he must have lied about speaking to her about Plame is still no more noble than it ever was. She just figured Fitzgerald would give up and let her have her way. And I love how she tried to get him to agree not to call her back if she testified just once. What nerve!
As for Keller saying he didn't bother to ask her further questions or do any objective reporting on the case for fear it would lead somewhere Judy chose not to go herself tells everyone how ill fitted he is to the position he holds at a paper as important as the Times...or as important is it was before he and Judy ran amok and outdid the Blair scandal by far. Shame on all of them. It's galling to think she's going to be getting an award for protecting a slimy top White House official who was outing a CIA agent for petty revenge and to continue proping up the web of lies that sent us to war for no good reason.
I REALLY wanted to slap Miller around after reading her phoney mea culpa over how she AND EVERYONE ELSE covering the WMD issue in the run up to the war got it wrong. No remorse whatsoever. She and Keller are both pathetic.
So when does Keller get fired? And, more importantly, when does Sulzberger step down?
C'mon this one should be easy...
Cheney - David "Big Lebowski" Huddleston
No competition!
huddleston = Not evil enough
Go back and watch Glengarry, Glen Ross and you'll see why Alec Baldwin is it, man, he's it.
Or The Aviator.
Baldwin is a great actor and does evil with panache. He's our Cheney.
"If Ms. Miller testifies, it may be immeasurably harder in the future to persuade a frightened government employee to talk about malfeasance in high places."
Obviously that's a misquote. It must have read "to persuade a frightening government employee to commit malfeasance from high places". Right?
Or maybe it meant that anything Miller might say under any circumstances might give pause to future whistleblowers, once they understood how deeply the "liberal media" is involved in punishing truth tellers from on high, in defense of a Republican administration.
So hard to keep track of which side is which, ain't it?
"she had not been at the receiving end of a concerted effort, a deliberate organized effort to put out information."
So this still leaves open the possibility whe was on the sending end?
Ms. Miller said the subject of Mr. Wilson and his wife had come up in casual conversation with government officials, Mr. Taubman said, but Ms. Miller said "she had not been at the receiving end of a concerted effort, a deliberate organized effort to put out information."
I find it difficult to characterize a two-hour breakfast meeting with the VP's chief of staff as a "casual conversation" -- particularly when said staffer wanted his rants to be quoted as a "former Hill staffer" and not as a "senior administration official."
Well, we certainly are disappointed with you, boys and girls of the Times. Don't remember who told you about Valerie FLAME! Go Away now, please, Judy. And Sulzberger is obviously the source of the ongoing rot. Maybe the board could do something about that? Like keep him out of the newsroom.
the new york times is a publicly owned
and traded corporation (NYT).
although historically owned by the ochs-sulzburger family- now it is answerable to a board of directors.
1)what % of nyt does sulzburger control?
2)if NYT is going down the shitter,
wouldn't he eventually be replaced
by stockholder action? he is directly
responsible for demolishing the brandname crdibility of NYT.
nur al cubicle, so nice to see that you resort to juvenile name calling so quickly in a disagreement.
don't you remember the famous editorial on the eve of the Iraq war from the Le Monde editorial staff saying what a great thing it was going to be?
I guess you only can do searches after the fact to support your theory, but don't follow events on a day to day basis, or else, you have some hidden agenda here, which would explain the quick jump to the name calling.
Nur al cubicle, just re-read your headlines, and I guess you really don't understand French, because these headlines really don't make the point you think they do, for example:
War is perceived as a threat by Muslims: well, duh? Is that supposed to convince me
Blair tries to convince people of the legitimacy of war: Again, that could mean Le Monde is either pro-war or anti-war, it doesn't prove a thing!
Before you formulate an opinion, why don't you first base it on facts, instead of your daydreams of what the world is like?
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