I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarFristle?


GravatarWow.


And that is pretty fucking sleazy. Which makes it par for the course.


GravatarYes! Fire her ass! And Pinch's!


Gravatarthrid?


GravatarAlec Baldwin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Richard Dreyfus as Cheney.


GravatarDoes Dreyfus have a good sneer?


GravatarBased on Ms. Miller's account, and what she left out, everyone associated with Palme event is screwed beyond human imagination.

As my sources say:: "It's Bad."


GravatarNext, Scooter will ask to be identified as "a poor black boy from Alabama".


GravatarAtrios raises a good point: why did Arthur Sulzberger Jr. protect Little Judy Warmonger every step of the way?

The depth of his protect extended well beyond a reporter protecting his or her sources.

I wonder what ties to the Bush dynasty does Sulzberger have?


GravatarDunno. I think he's got it in him. He's already played a sleazy right-winger in the American President. That was him right?


GravatarHappy Judy miller day at the eschaton!


it's better than hearinmg test tuesday and diorama-rama


GravatarI thought that smelled, too. She let it slide because he actually did work on the Hill at some point.

So it's factually true, but utterly dishonest.

What scum these people are!


GravatarAtrios has it right. When I worked in the MSM ethical reporters would give a source some form of cover but never deceptive cover,l which this was.
Judy is a journalistic whore. Any reporter who did that sort fo thing and was discovered should be fired.


Gravatar"Does Dreyfus have a good sneer?"

Dreyfus has a great sneer. And a rosy glow.


GravatarJAne Seymour as Judy Wilson


GravatarNo idea if Miller ever granted such a thing, but any reporter who ever did should be fired, along with their editors.

She never wrote a story. But she agreed to the deceptive sourcing, and for that, I suspect that Byron Calame may have already donned his hobnails to deliver a kicking.

Here's a question: have other NYT staffers engaged in similar, deceptive sourcing? Or was this a privilege granted to JFM on account of the fact that no-one told her what to do?


GravatarScooter: Listen Judy, I have this kachina doll of anonymities. Now I would like to use the "former hill staffer" doll instead of the "senior administration official" doll.

Judy: That sounds fine. It's not like you can use all these dolls.


Gravatarwho the fuck is judy wilson. one of the B-52s


GravatarAlternative sourcing 101:

'A former AWOL alcoholic'
'A former defence industry CEO'
'A former swingers' club patron'

This is fun!


GravatarNow, that certainly is an interesting dodge. I mean, how would a 'former hill staffer' have access to this kind of information?


Gravatar Alternative sourcing 101:

'A former AWOL alcoholic'
'A former defence industry CEO'
'A former swingers' club patron'

This is fun!


"A former figure skater and concert pianist"


GravatarThe nightmare on 43rd street continues unabated.


GravatarA gay prostitute turned reporter.


Gravatar'A former swingers' club patron'

This is fun!
pseudonymous in nc


'a former stanford employeee'
'a former defence secretary under ford'
'a former texas attorney'
'a former white house chief of staff'
'a former employee of the month at Arbees"


GravatarCAN I JUST RIMIND PEOPLE THAT JUDY WAS LEAKING INFORMATION THAT THE ADMISISTRATION WANTED THE PUBLIC TO HEAR.

SO ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT PROTECTING SOURSES IS BULLSHIT.

IF THIS WAS RUSSIA JUDY WOULD BE WORKING FOR PRAVDA.

Sorry to shout, but the media is so stupid you have too.


GravatarPardons all around for WHIG. And the press will just play it as olitics as usual.


Gravatar'a former iraqi dictator'
'a former bank fraud felon in jordan'


Gravatar"A former figure skater and concert pianist"

A former college dropout who got his wife pregnant to avoid the Vietnam draft.


GravatarWhat Miller has done is turn journalistic privilege inside out. This wasn't a case where an anonymous source had to remain anonymous because a job would be jeopardized, or something else endangered.

This case involves nothing like - and it should have been completely obvious to everyone that here the ones leaking are the bosses. They stand to lose nothing. They used her as a conduit to disseminate propaganda, basically.

This really has nothing to do with the First Amendment, except in a twisted sense. It has everything to do with the way the Right inverts everything and uses it in a backwards kind of way. And that's what they're doing here with the First Amendment and journalistic privilege.


Gravatar' a former Enron CEO'


GravatarWow, USC's decision not to have instant replay may well have cost them the game. I thought it might when I heard.


Gravatar' a former Iran Ayatollah'


Gravatarmethinks the USC/ND game is FUBARed.


GravatarOr not.


GravatarA hypothetical question:

How would things been different if Howell Raines was still the editorial page editor of The New York Times?


GravatarI thought it might when I heard.
pseudonymous in nc


and they lose to the evil notre dame


Gravatarwell i gotta go watch this shit


GravatarAlec Baldwin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Richard Dreyfus as Cheney.

Who plays the chimp?


GravatarAnd sorry my typing errors are so crap!


GravatarHow would things been different if Howell Raines was still the editorial page editor of The New York Times?

I'm thinking... none.


GravatarThe college equivalent of USSR over USA in Munich.


Gravatarwhy is the uSC player crying?


Gravatarand homer the vigilante is on!


Gravatarand they lose to the evil notre dame


Guess not. I'm not even sure what just happened.


GravatarRevealing her working methods, perhaps too clearly,

As I said downstairs, anyone who has an itch and a possible basis for suing JFM's NYT over a published piece should do so. The newspaper of record clearly maintains no standards of note keeping or source tracking.

Critics have long suggested that Miller was not even working on a story about the Joseph Wilson trip to Niger when she talked to Libby and others in 2003. But the Times' article reveals that she had been assigned to write a story about the failure to find WMDs in Iraq, but this was her beat, so it's hard to understand why she would need an assignment. In any case, in talking to Libby on June 23, 2003, he wanted to talk about Wilson.

Shout out to Greg Mitchell at E&P. Thanks for your piece.


GravatarYou're right sally...reporting a hot scoop that is nothing more that propoganda that the Administration wants to steer the public away from the truth.

regards

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GravatarWho plays the chimp?



obviously the star of the series "hail to the chimp"


GravatarThe referees have made Touchdown Jesus cry.


GravatarWho plays the chimp?


A puppet? CGI?


GravatarGuess not. I'm not even sure what just happened.
pie


clearly it is a conspiracy by Pete carrool to confuse the nation


GravatarMaybe just use actual footage of the Chimp ala "Good Night and Good Luck" with McCarthy. Or Timothy Bottoms or that guy on Jay Leno. John Stewart has the vocalisms down if not the look. ???


GravatarDidn't this game start at 3:30?


Gravatarsally, are you a reincarnation of cheryl?


Gravatar Who plays the chimp?


J. Fred Muggs, Jr.


GravatarThe referees have made Touchdown Jesus cry

Attaturk ... Are you a Domer? Sister of Res is ...


GravatarWhat scum these people are!

Of course, I would imagine that the response of the Richard Cohens, Andrea Mitchells and Chris Matthews of the media is that this kind of stuff goes on in Washington all the time, and therefore it is OK.


GravatarMaybe just use actual footage of the Chimp ala "Good Night and Good Luck" with McCarthy. Or Timothy Bottoms or that guy on Jay Leno. John Stewart has the vocalisms down if not the look. ???

I think Anthony LaPaglia could do a really good job, but I'm a crazy person.


GravatarNow is time for zombies!


Gravatarclearly it is a conspiracy by Pete carrool to confuse the nation

Michigan wins in the last second, and USC gets a do-over to win the game.


Gravatarby pretending the information was coming from somewhere.

I assume there is a missing 'else' on the end of that.

Unless some kind of personal relationship or common cause is involved, this should have resulted in the termination of the meeting. Asumming the reporter had any integrety.

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GravatarThe referees have made Touchdown Jesus cry

Attaturk ... Are you a Domer? Sister of Res is ...
res ipsa loquitur


No, not at all. I have no real rooting interest other than perhaps rooting against USC because they've got such a streak going.

It was a hell of a football game.


GravatarAlso, further down in the article, she granted his request that if she used his information, to refer to him as "an administration official", which would be fucking anyone of about 200,000 people.

So she, on three separate occasions, grants his request that he be named as something other than WHO is is, I Lewis Libby, and on two of those occasions, she grants his request to be identified as something other than WHAT he is, namely a senior White House official and on one occasion, she grants his request to not only be identified as something other that either who, or what he is, but even what branch of government he works for, in a deliberate attempt to perpetrate a fraud on the public.

Even though she never wrote a story about this matter, she quite clearly AGREED to grant the request he made to be identified as a former capitol hill staffer, having no problem with this whatsoever, because he once worked on the Hill. It doesn't matter that a fraud is being perpetrated here and she has now agreed to commit that fraud and participate in it.

Of course Atrios is right. She should be fucking fired.


Gravatarand Toronto/Montreal
on Hockey Night in Canada


GravatarUSC SUCKS FUCKING ASS!!!!!!!!
FUCK THEM
HOW CAN THE GAME END AND THEY STILL WIN.

FUCK THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!!

NOTRE DAME WON THE FUCKING GAME!!!!!

THE REF'S WORK FOR DIEBOLD


GravatarWho plays the chimp?


A puppet? CGI?
Meander

Koko?

.


GravatarHey, Return Of The Living Dead 4: Necropolis has an IMDb rating of 9.7, which makes it quite possibly the greatest movie of all time!


GravatarKoko?

.
agave

No, wait. She's too smart!

.


GravatarWho plays the chimp?

Any monkey they can find in the zoo


GravatarWho plays the chimp?


Now watch this drive...


GravatarMichigan wins in the last second, and USC gets a do-over to win the game.
pie


and the Roughriders/Emonton game went down to the last second too(strictly my team in the CFL against the Hated Edmonton Eskimoes)


GravatarOT but thought you might enjoy this strip from SF Gate:

http://tinyurl.com/dt5d2


GravatarNOTRE DAME WON THE FUCKING GAME!!!!!

They had to clear the field for the last play, because everyone else thought the game was over.


GravatarIt's not a reporter's fucking job to grant their sources "plausible deniability".
And isn't a reporter supposed to report what happens? Facts, truth (small "t")? A lot of what Judy F Miller wrote, however, was untrue. If she's a reporter, so are Stephen King and John Grisham.
"Fabulist" is more like it.


GravatarIf she's a reporter, so are Stephen King and John Grisham.
"Fabulist" is more like it.


Don't hate her 'cuz she's fabulist.


Gravatarwow football heaven!!!


GravatarIt's not a reporter's fucking job to grant their sources "plausible deniability".

She only reported one side of the story.

That makes her a propagandist.

End of discussion.


GravatarI will *pay* Donovan McNabb's mom to go away.


GravatarShe only reported one side of the story.

That makes her a propagandist.

End of discussion.


Well, unless she only reported the *factual* side of the story...


Gravatar"who plays the chimp?"




An animation of Alfred E. Newman.


GravatarLike I said earlier, Libby is apparently the regime's fall guy in this disaster.

Now, can Fitzgerald come up with more?

I sure hope so.


GravatarHow about Pat Butrum as Cheney?


Gravatarmuch as i hate to say it, i think both the mi and usc were rightly decided...

judy and the nyt's are scum.


GravatarWell, unless she only reported the *factual* side of the story...

I thought about that after I posted it. I have no problem with posting two sides. We saw Powell's presentation and called *bullshit*.

Ya gotta have both sides.


Gravatarhey, doesn't this all mean there's a critical need for a 'blogger's ethics' symposium?


Gravatarhey, doesn't this all mean there's a critical need for a 'blogger's ethics' symposium?
jdw


I thought they were biweekly


GravatarIt's not a reporter's fucking job to grant their sources "plausible deniability".

It is, apparently, if that reporter works for JFM's NYT. As long as she's on the masthead, as long as they continue to stand behind JFM as an institution, she is the measure of their professionalism.

And after she's gone, she can take her NYT with her.


GravatarCan't we bring back the French Revolution style crisis resolution for at least a couple of weeks?

Please?


Daryn, Gerkin, Rush = Ewwwww.


Gravatar"How about Pat Butrum as Cheney?"

For Cheney I think it would be best if we got Cloris Leachman to reprise her role as Nurse Diesel from "High Anxiety". In other words, the role of Cheney will be played by Nurse Diesel.


Gravatarmuch as i hate to say it, i think both the mi and usc were rightly decided...

And OU beat MSU.


GravatarSorry, Ohio State beat MSU.


GravatarAnd who the hell let Kenny Lofton walk out of the house dressed like that?


GravatarU
S
C
!
U
S
C
!


Gravatar"How about Pat Butrum as Cheney?"

Rod Steiger *is* Viceroy HAL.


GravatarMy only consolation is that USC players will end up cutting the lawns of Notre Dame players in 6 years.
Notre Dame players will have degrees, USC players will have bad knees, bad backs and a drug problem.
Poor bastards.

ohyeahfuckbush


GravatarBRAINS!!!

*ahem*

Sorry.


I must say, I'm getting a little skeptical about that 9.7 IMDb rating. This doesn't deserve better than an 8.1, tops.


GravatarWhen the subject turned to Mr. Wilson, Mr. Libby requested that he be identified only as a "former Hill staffer."

So much for the defense that's been floated about just wanting to give background information to reporters, rather than actually generating an article.


GravatarCandidate Sleeps In City Limits

A candidate for Glen Alpine town mayor is being challenged about whether he actually lives in the town limits...


Greer Suttlemyre, director of elections for the Burke County Board of Elections, said the town limits line runs through Suttles home that he has lived in for nearly 20 years.

Suttlemyre said, according to a general statute, the determination will be made based on where Suttles sleeps. And Suttles said his bedroom where he sleeps is located in the town limits. He said almost two-thirds of his home is located within the town limits, the town picks up his trash and a town light pole is in his yard.

Suttles said he got a letter Thursday informing him his candidacy was being challenged. But Suttles is ready for the challenge, which he believes boils down to dirty politics. Suttles has been a fireman for the town for years.

"When they ask me to do something they don't ask me where I live," Suttles said. "When I get called out of the bed in the middle of the night to put out a fire, they don't ask me where I live."

He said he wants to be mayor of the town in order to get the town on the right track. Even though his candidacy has been challenged, he has not stopped campaigning.

"I don't want to throw no dirt but if they want to play dirty I'll back my truck up," Suttles said.

Christine Abernathy and Michael Cook also are running for mayor of Glen Alpine.

http://www.morganton.com/servlet...th=% 21frontpage


GravatarThe fact that Miller isn't just humilliated by her WMD performance and still used Chalabi for a source and doesn't feel betrayed by Libby, can only mean one thing.

She does not care what the truth is.
She's a willing participant in disinformation/propaganda with the usual justification of a higher purpose.

In other words, she's part of an effort that is more (or less) than just being a good reporter and actually makes it irrelavant.

.


Gravatarhey, doesn't this all mean there's a critical need for a 'blogger's ethics' symposium?

As linked to in the comments at FDL: Martini Republic Judith Miller, Times editors source like third-rate bloggers.


Gravatar"She does not care what the truth is."

It's worse then that. The NYT's doesn't care, either. They kept her employed because of her access to power. The truth, or lack of it, was not considered important.


GravatarA former paramour of an Iraqi exile leader/CIA asset.


GravatarThat makes her a propagandist.

End of discussion.
pie



Yeah, Why can't I just sum it up like that?

.


GravatarAs a Duck fan I need USC to win because we have only lost to USC.

Oregon ducks never get credit they deserve.

Pac 10 Rules!!!!!


GravatarIn case anybody cares...

It's canadiens 1 - 1 Maple Leafs after the first period

those new rules are saving professional hockey

respect


Gravatarthose new rules are saving professional hockey

respect
Plum P


indeedy
and they seem to have a more balanced sport with talent eveywhere


GravatarSorry, Ohio State beat MSU.
pie


Yawn


Gravatar"Sorry, Ohio State beat MSU."

I know, which means my wife will be pleasant to live with this evening...thank god..


GravatarWonder if Rove asked to be identified as a "former George HW Bush administration offical"?

Buh-dump-bump.


Gravatarand they seem to have a more balanced sport with talent eveywhere

Even in New York?


Although with Satan on the Islanders' side, who needs talent?


Gravatar"Oregon ducks never get credit they deserve."

That's 'cuz they're not what they're quacked up to be.


GravatarI can't spell.

.


Gravatar...and you got your bit player spots to fill like lyin Scotty McWeasel and Jimmy/Jeff (maybe he'll get a larger role)


GravatarYa gotta have both sides.

Oh, fuck.

There weren't two sides in the run-up to war, but there were people who insisted that war was necessary.

Exposing them, as Powell's speech was by many people, would have been a nice little education.

That's what I mwant by two sides.

You just can't shut down the opposition.


Gravatarand don cherry was dressed almost sanely

...almost


GravatarThanks, Monica. I enjoyed this tidbit in Martine Republic:
And when the prosecutor in the case asked her to explain how “Valerie Flame” appeared in the same notebook she used in interviewing Mr. Libby, Ms. Miller said she “didn’t think” she heard it from him. “I said I believed the information came from another source, whom I could not recall,” she wrote on Friday, recounting her testimony for an article that appears today.


GravatarI could leak stuff to Judy Miller and she could call me "a former elementary school student".


GravatarWonder if Rove asked to be identified as a "former George HW Bush administration offical"?

Buh-dump-bump.
melior in France

"a former resident of a southern state"

"someone who did NOT know Jeff Gannon"

.


GravatarYa gotta have both sides.

Once you assume there are only two sides,
you've already lost half the battle.

Love,


Gravatarolexicon: exactement! The talentless plumbers are staying on the bench, and the skaters with talent finally shine.

They retired Dickie Moore, Jean Béliveau and Boom Boom Geoffrion 's jerseys tonite. The Canadien will celebrate 100 years in 2009. With a LOT of hard work, they could get a 25th Stanley Cup for the anniversary? It would be brilliant!


GravatarMan.

Judy and others didn't present two sides.

Proofread.

I'm gonna leave now.


GravatarWhat I'm sorry about is that this country had devolved into this mess.

Thank you very much all you good republicans.

Who knows if we will be able to bring this country back from the edge. I can only hope so.


GravatarWhen the subject turned to Mr. Wilson, Mr. Libby requested that he be identified only as a "former Hill staffer." I agreed to the new ground rules because I knew that Mr. Libby had once worked on Capitol Hill.

This is bullshit.

Mr. Libby requested that he be identified only as a "former attendee of a Bruce Springsteen concert." I agreed to the new ground rules because I knew Mr. Libby had once seen the Boss.


Gravatarey could get a 25th Stanley Cup for the anniversary? It would be brilliant!
Plum P


hey a canadian cup winner can't hurt


GravatarHmmm.

Sports thread.

Go Ducks. I lived in Eugene for 4 years.

USC just beat the Irish. Yum.

Go White Socks.


Gravatar'a former male prostiute turned fake reporter'


GravatarWonder if Patterson and Ruppert have seen this.


Anti-Nazi Crowd Stops Nazi March in Ohio


GravatarGo White Socks.
Cleveland Bob


it's your birthdaY!


GravatarOnce you assume there are only two sides,
you've already lost half the battle.



How many other sides are there when it comes to waging war?


GravatarMr. Libby requested that he be identified only as a "former attendee of a Bruce Springsteen concert." I agreed to the new ground rules because I knew Mr. Libby had once seen the Boss.

Not even a good comparison, as it would be merely useless rather than actively misleading.


GravatarThe fact that Miller isn't just humilliated by her WMD performance and still used Chalabi for a source and doesn't feel betrayed by Libby, can only mean one thing.

She does not care what the truth is.
She's a willing participant in disinformation/propaganda with the usual justification of a higher purpose.

In other words, she's part of an effort that is more (or less) than just being a good reporter and actually makes it irrelavant.

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agave | Email | 10.15.05 - 8:01 pm | #


A-yep. She's fucking zampolit: A political officer whose job it is to ensure that the entity in which she's embedded -- in this case, the NYT -- hews to the BushCo line where it counts. And nowhere has it counted more than in the runup to invading Iraq.

Speaking of zampolit:

">BushCo hacks faked up a Commerce Department report on manufacturing

They lie about everything. EVERYTHING.


GravatarActually Eli, your Rangers are having a good start of the season so far! Congradulations! (I always had a lot of respect for the Islanders but them fucking Rangers...grrrrr)


GravatarI checked Rev. Moon's paper: zip.

They're ignoring the Miller/Plamegate article.

I guess the WH is slow on issuing talking points since its Saturday.


GravatarPeance and Freance

.


GravatarOh, and go Habs!


GravatarFolks, there's tasty JFM/NYT sprack over in the comments at FDL.


GravatarSo....

Did Toby get banned today?

I sure hope so.


Gravatar

Gravatar Actually Eli, your Rangers are having a good start of the season so far! Congradulations! (I always had a lot of respect for the Islanders but them fucking Rangers...grrrrr)


Yippee. I have a hard time getting excited by either of Dolan's teams. The man makes Steinbrenner look like Robert Kraft...


GravatarCheck Pat Quinn's eyes! The racoon look suits him well (he's the Maple Leafs coach for you who don't give a damn about hockey)


GravatarSay what you will about Cindy Sheehan, one thing is for sure.



She is hideously ugly.


GravatarDid Toby get banned today?

I sure hope so.


Atrios did kinda make it sound that way, didn't he...


GravatarDid Toby get banned today?

An early Christmas gift from Atrios???


Gravatar Wonder if Rove asked to be identified as a "former George HW Bush administration offical"?

"According to Bill and Hillary Clinton..."


GravatarThe NY Times should just start attributing every quote to "former fetus so-and-so."

It would save everyone a lot of trouble.


GravatarI guess the WH is slow on issuing talking points since its Saturday.
Dartanyon


and Ksrl is occupied and Kennny boy mehlman hasn't come back from CROBAR


GravatarThe Commerce Department has responded to a half-year-old request by Manufacturing and Technology News for the release a long-awaited study on the issue of "offshore outsourcing" of IT service-sector jobs and high-tech industries. But the 12-page document represented by the agency as its final report is not what was written by its analysts. Rather, it was crafted by political appointees at Commerce and at the White House, according to those familiar with it.

At an estimated cost of $335,000 -- or $28,000 per page -- the document MTN received from the Commerce Department's Technology Administration contains no original research and forsakes its initial intent of providing a balanced view of outsourcing, according to those inside and outside the agency.

Is that what JFM was working on in the joint?


Gravatar"But I said I assumed Mr. Libby did not want the White House to be seen as attacking Mr. Wilson."

ho, ho. She just said that "atrios" is a wanker.


GravatarDid Toby get banned today?

didn't he announced a few days ago he was going on a vacation?


Gravatar's the Maple Leafs coach for you who don't give a damn about hockey)
Plum P |


was he in a bar fight?

I saw an intereview on TSN and wondered what the hell happened


GravatarDid Toby get banned today?

It was around here earlier today. It may still be here.


Gravatarho, ho. She just said that "atrios" is a wanker.
hat


and hat is a douchebagg


Gravatarit's your birthdaY!
olexicon, Big Poppa Smurf

============================

No it's not. It's my pal, Jim Reed's b-day, today though. He's from Youngstown.

BTW: Metric is a terrific Canadian band.


GravatarAtrios did kinda make it sound that way, didn't he...

It seemed that way to me....


toby can go find another streetcorner to preach on
Atrios | Homepage | 10.15.05 - 2:21 pm | #



I hope Simels is gonna be OK.



GravatarBTW: Metric is a terrific Canadian band.
Cleveland Bob


indeedy

as are arcade fire and the new pornographer


GravatarI like mer's nick.

It's almost like a kitties purr if you say it low and slow.

Comforting.

(ooooooommmmm)
(mmmmmerrrrrr)

.


GravatarIF THIS WAS RUSSIA JUDY WOULD BE WORKING FOR PRAVDA.




What do you mean, 'if'?


GravatarYou'd think that security guards in a zombie research facility would be briefed about the whole shoot-'em-in-the-head thing...


Gravatar
Who plays the chimp?


Well I just coughed up a really sticky kind'a greenish ball of phlegm, will that do?


GravatarRice Fails to Persuade Russia to Support U.N. Action on Iran

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By JOEL BRINKLEY
Published: October 16, 2005

MOSCOW, Oct. 15 - Russia's leaders told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Saturday that they did not support sending the issue of Iran's nuclear program to the United Nations Security Council, and they reaffirmed their view that Iran had the legal right to enrich uranium.

The statements, by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and others, were a sharp setback for Ms. Rice's efforts to reach a consensus on Iran's nuclear program. The Iranians "have this right" to enrich uranium under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, Mr. Lavrov said at joint news conference with Ms. Rice, who flew here on short notice for consultations on Iran and other issues before heading to London.


Gravataramerica
home of the bad diplomats


GravatarRod Steiger *is* Viceroy HAL.


Oh, man. If only. Can we reanimate his corpse?


GravatarI think Cam'ron would make a better diplomat


GravatarAtrios did kinda make it sound that way, didn't he...

It seemed that way to me....


toby can go find another streetcorner to preach on
Atrios | Homepage | 10.15.05 - 2:21 pm | #


This is dreadful news. I can only hope I don't inherit Tobes from Atrios like I did Charlie from Drum. That would finally drive me to de-list Eschaton from my blogroll.


GravatarI like trollboy's response:

Atrios, I don't know who these people are who keep quoting me, but it's not me behind it.

Sorry.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 10.15.05 - 2:24 pm | #






GravatarNot even a good comparison, as it would be merely useless rather than actively misleading.

True enough. Best I could come up with under the circumstances.

But it's still bullshit.


GravatarDid Toby get banned today?

didn't he announced a few days ago he was going on a vacation?
Plum P



We should chip in for a wireless laptop for him, so'ns he can stay in touch!


(did someone put something in my drink?)
.


Gravataragave, thanks.

And yes, I have had kitties for the last thirty years of my life. Plus doggies.


Gravatarolexicon, Big Poppa Smurf,

Metric is in Cleveland tonight at the Grog Shop.

Don't feel like driving though. And sitting in a smokey bar isn't an attractive notion.

Convince me that I should go...I dare ya'...I'm looking for some motivation.


GravatarI can only hope I don't inherit Tobes from Atrios like I did Charlie from Drum. That would finally drive me to de-list Eschaton from my blogroll.
NTodd


are you running some kind of troll home fro waywatd girls


GravatarAtrios did kinda make it sound that way, didn't he...

It seemed that way to me....


toby can go find another streetcorner to preach on
Atrios | Homepage | 10.15.05 - 2:21 pm | #


This is dreadful news. I can only hope I don't inherit Tobes from Atrios like I did Charlie from Drum. That would finally drive me to de-list Eschaton from my blogroll.

You'd think that security guards in a zombie research facility would be briefed about the whole shoot-'em-in-the-head thing...

One must never inform underlings about anything. It might give them the idea that they should know stuff and question orders.


Gravatarare you running some kind of troll home fro waywatd girls

Yes.

And fuck haloscan.


GravatarConvince me that I should go...I dare ya'...I'm looking for some motivation.
Cleveland Bob |


it's fuckinbg metric
and i would give my left nut to see them

plus i missed feist in sakatoon this week so i'm still bummed


Gravatar(did someone put something in my drink?)

Yeah, I slipped you a mickey. Gonna try to take advantage of you in the next open thread...


GravatarNTodd,

My condolences.

Maybe that's what it's like to have children.

Evil, stupid children.


GravatarToby banned, and Rupert stinking up the place at AmericaBlog.

Life is good.


GravatarYeah, I slipped you a mickey


the problem was it was a mickey rooney


GravatarOne must never inform underlings about anything. It might give them the idea that they should know stuff and question orders.

I suppose I'd be wasting my breath by lobbying for zombie-proof body armor...


GravatarDow Jones newswire take on NYT investigation of itself & Mrs Chalabi:

NEW YORK (AP)--In a lengthy article posted Saturday on The New York Times' (NYT) Web site, the newspaper marked the second time in 2 1/2 years it has published an investigation of itself.

The article was the newspaper's first behind-the-scenes look at the information provided its reporter, Judith Miller, by Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff and how it landed her behind bars for 85 days.

The last time the newspaper conducted and wrote such a self-examination of its reporting and publishing process, it tackled the 2003 Jayson Blair plagiarism and fraud debacle.

Times Managing Editor Jill Abramson, asked what she regretted about the Times' handling of the Miller case, replied simply: "The entire thing."

Miller defended herself in the piece, saying the paper had "everything to be proud of and nothing to apologize for."

Shortly after tasting freedom for the first time in nearly three months, Miller went for a massage and a manicure. She enjoyed a martini, a steak dinner and the fresh air.

That was the easy part. The once-jailed reporter's subsequent return to the paper's 43rd Street newsroom, where she was viewed as a polarizing figure, was fraught with anxiety. She found her co-workers "confused and perplexed" about her jail term for protecting a Bush administration source, and about her paper's apparent inability to rein in the Pulitzer Prize- winner, according to a pair of articles - the newspaper's investigation, and Miller's own account of her role in the case.

Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating whether crimes were committed when Bush administration officials leaked the identity of covert Central Intelligence Agency officer Valerie Plame to reporters. Plame's covert status was exposed at a time when her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, was charging that the White House manipulated intelligence about Iraq's nuclear capabilities before the war.

Miller, 57, was released Sept. 29 after being jailed for her steadfast refusal to identify the source of the leaked information. After getting the source's direct approval, she finally identified him as I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.

In her separate first-person piece on the Times' Web site, however, she said she testified before a grand jury that she could not recall if Libby was the source who told her about "Valerie Flame," as the name appeared in her notebook.

"Mr. Fitzgerald asked me about another entry in my notebook, where I had written the words "Valerie Flame," clearly a reference to Ms. Plame. Mr. Fitzgerald wanted to know whether the entry was based on my conversations with Mr. Libby. I said I didn't think so. I said I believed the information came from another source, whom I could not recall," she wrote.


to be cont'd


GravatarToby banned, and Rupert stinking up the place at AmericaBlog.

Life is good.
chris/tx



what has he converted to Americablog

I should go over there and call him a wacky conspiracy theorist


GravatarI saw an intereview on TSN and wondered what the hell happened
olexicon

got that in practice with his players! He's the real thing you've got to give them that. And toronto just scored again, 18th in a row during a power play

And don't forget montréal's wolf parade! First lp just out on Sub Pop


Gravatarthe problem was it was a mickey rooney

Do you get that creepy life insurance commercial with him and his wife?

The really weird bit is when she's talking while he's in the background washing the dishes. With no water. Or dishes.


GravatarThis is dreadful news. I can only hope I don't inherit Tobes from Atrios like I did Charlie from Drum. That would finally drive me to de-list Eschaton from my blogroll.

Sounds almost like an invitation, if you ask me.

Just be thankful you haven't seen my troll persona. It's still in production, but it makes Tobes look like Buckminster Fuller by comparison.


GravatarDow Jones wire on Mrs Chalabi, part 2:

The Times' companion story portrayed Miller as a divisive figure in the newsroom, with a few colleagues refusing to work with her. She was quoted as once telling a colleague, "I can do whatever I want."

Along with the freedom came problems. Miller's articles about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in the months before the war were "totally wrong," she acknowledged in one of the stories posted Saturday. Previously, the Times had published an editor's note criticizing some of its prewar coverage, which avoided specifically naming Miller.

Todd S. Purdum, a Washington-based reporter for the newspaper, said many on the staff were "troubled and puzzled by Judy's seeming ability to operate outside of conventional reportorial channels and managerial controls."

The article noted that editors "found her hard to control," and that the paper's management allowed Miller to make many of the major decisions in the Plame case herself. For example, it said, Executive Editor Bill Keller and Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. never reviewed the notes of her crucial conversation with Libby.

Recent stories indicated morale in the Times newsroom was lower than during the Blair fiasco, which led to the resignation of Executive Editor Howell Raines. The Times story pointed out that the paper was scooped on the Miller story more than once, and that Keller - who knew the source's identity - kept it from his own reporters.

While in the Alexandria Detention Center, Miller wrote that her only view of the outside world was a maple tree and a concrete highway barrier visible through a concrete slit in her cell. More than 100 friends and colleagues made jailhouse visits, including U.N. ambassador John Bolton and former NBC anchorman Tom Brokaw.

Miller, one of a team of Times reporters that won a 2002 Pulitzer for coverage of the Middle East, was in Los Angeles Saturday at a California First Amendment Coalition event to present an award to perhaps the most famous confidential source ever - W. Mark Felt, the former FBI official known as "Deep Throat." She declined to say anything beyond what appeared in the Times' stories.

Although the paper was resolute in its support of Miller, championing its reporter in more than 15 editorials, Keller acknowledged in the Times' lengthy piece that it was a less-than-ideal case for their efforts.

"I wish it had been a clear-cut whistle-blower case," he was quoted as saying. "I wish it had been a reporter who came with less public baggage."

As the paper observed, "Neither The Times nor its cause has emerged unbruised."


GravatarSay what you will about Cindy Sheehan, one thing is for sure.
She is hideously ugly.
pink -- 8:15 pm


infinitely more than you or any of your ilk, she glows with an inner beauty which bathes those around her with honor....

you?
eat shit and die, each'n'ever'oneo'yuh...


GravatarHaving read Judy's lengthy article, I hope she's seeking treatment for early-onset Alzheimer's. It's surprising how far she has advanced in a career largely predicated on a memory for history, facts, personalities, and "the big picture," given that she seemed barely able to recall her own name.

Is there even a possibility that she's not just lying her ass off?


GravatarYour left nut...a potential DUI.

Seems an even trade.


GravatarThe really weird bit is when she's talking while he's in the background washing the dishes. With no water. Or dishes.
Eli |


I've seen it on WGN

it's weird
but I'd by my insurance from adrian ZMed


GravatarIt's Bush-Cheney, Not Rove-Libby
By FRANK RICH
Published: October 16, 2005


THERE hasn't been anything like it since Martha Stewart fended off questions about her stock-trading scandal by manically chopping cabbage on "The Early Show" on CBS. Last week the setting was "Today" on NBC, where the image of President Bush manically hammering nails at a Habitat for Humanity construction site on the Gulf Coast was juggled with the sight of him trying to duck Matt Lauer's questions about Karl Rove.

As with Ms. Stewart, Mr. Bush's paroxysm of panic was must-see TV. "The president was a blur of blinks, taps, jiggles, pivots and shifts," Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post. Asked repeatedly about Mr. Rove's serial appearances before a Washington grand jury, the jittery Mr. Bush, for once bereft of a script, improvised a passable impersonation of Norman Bates being quizzed by the detective in "Psycho." Like Norman and Ms. Stewart, he stonewalled.


Should I post the rest?


GravatarWho will play the Chimp?


I would think that Ben Stiller could pull a good GWB charachter out of his pool of character acting talent.


GravatarAnd after she's gone, she can take her NYT with her.
monica_nyc


If there's any justice at all, that's what'll happen.


GravatarYour left nut...a potential DUI.

Seems an even trade.
Cleveland Bob


actually
I got two DUIs in three years and will be able to drive again in april
I got my last DUI seeeing the supersuckers


GravatarAnd fuck haloscan.
NTodd


Holoscan must be a satisfied little wench (and a little sore).

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Gravatarolexicon - Yeah, Ruppert's there. They so far have not smacked him around as much as we did. Of course you are welcome to go over there and smack him around for old times sake.


Gravatar"The really weird bit is when she's talking while he's in the background washing the dishes. With no water. Or dishes."

Helloooo, Eli! It's called "acting" !! He's a thespian!


GravatarShould I post the rest?


Gotta be better than Judypalooza. please do.


Gravatarhow did toby finally wear out his welcome?

it was a right long in comin'

i shan't miss the banality of him...

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GravatarOf course you are welcome to go over there and smack him around for old times sake.
chris/tx |


i just enjoyed asking him for the sourrcesm of his facts and whenevr he made a nutty prediction calling him a wacky tinfoil hatted conspuiracy theorist


GravatarHelloooo, Eli! It's called "acting" !! He's a thespian!

I was actually wondering if he insisted on doing that to show off that he still has skillz. Or something.


GravatarI suppose I'd be wasting my breath by lobbying for zombie-proof body armor...

And zombie-proof chocolates...

Say what you will about Cindy Sheehan, one thing is for sure. She is hideously ugly.

She's really not hideously ugly physically, and I don't see what that has to do with anything.

OT blogwhore, though, since you brought her up, you stupid pigfucker: Disengagement.


GravatarCHW 3, LAA 1


GravatarHe's a thespian!
Mr. Met


like ellen!


GravatarThis is not my laptop!

This is a piece of shit loaner.

Goddess, I get unnerved without my own Stuff.


GravatarFor example, it said, Executive Editor Bill Keller and Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. never reviewed the notes of her crucial conversation with Libby.

Hilarious.


GravatarCorrection: CHW 3, LAA 0 (cursed fingers!)


Gravataryou?
eat shit and die, each'n'ever'oneo'yuh...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar

great line woody!

the sunday morning shows should be entertaining tomorrow


GravatarI got my last DUI seeeing the supersuckers

=========================

All right already, I'm gettin' in the shower.


GravatarThis is dreadful news. I can only hope I don't inherit Tobes from Atrios like I did Charlie from Drum. That would finally drive me to de-list Eschaton from my blogroll.

Sounds almost like an invitation, if you ask me.


Okay, you caught me: I just want traffic. And pet trolls are kinda fun.


Gravatar Who will play the Chimp?


I would think that Ben Stiller could pull a good GWB charachter out of his pool of character acting talent.


Here's another thought - he looks nothing like him, but he does weaselly flop-sweat really well: How about William H. Macy?

("I shovel bullshit well. I shovel bullshit *very* well.")


Gravatarsince you brought her up, you stupid pigfucker: Disengagement.
NTodd


hey nice channelling of HST


GravatarCHW 3, LAA 1

What is Judith Miller's position on this development?


GravatarIt's Sudoku Sally! Hiya fellow addict.


GravatarAll right already, I'm gettin' in the shower.
Cleveland Bob


your call cleveland


Gravatar(did someone put something in my drink?)

Yeah, I slipped you a mickey. Gonna try to take advantage of you in the next open thread...
NTodd


Well hurry the hell up, Melissa'll be home soon!

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GravatarFor example, it said, Executive Editor Bill Keller and Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. never reviewed the notes of her crucial conversation with Libby.

BTW, one side of the story.

Gotta have both sides.


Gravatarhey nice channelling of HST

I didn't mean to channel Hunter, though I have been drinking. Now where'd I put that LSD...


GravatarCorrente is right, the NY Times has never mentioned the White House Iraq Group. Wonder why not?


GravatarEli, are you liveblogging yet?


GravatarLord I wish HST was still around to deconstruct what passes for journimalism these days.


GravatarRich ...

That stonewall may start to crumble in a Washington courtroom this week or next. In a sense it already has. Now, as always, what matters most in this case is not whether Mr. Rove and Lewis Libby engaged in a petty conspiracy to seek revenge on a whistle-blower, Joseph Wilson, by unmasking his wife, Valerie, a covert C.I.A. officer. What makes Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation compelling, whatever its outcome, is its illumination of a conspiracy that was not at all petty: the one that took us on false premises into a reckless and wasteful war in Iraq. That conspiracy was instigated by Mr. Rove's boss, George W. Bush, and Mr. Libby's boss, Dick Cheney.

Mr. Wilson and his wife were trashed to protect that larger plot. Because the personnel in both stories overlap, the bits and pieces we've learned about the leak inquiry over the past two years have gradually helped fill in the über-narrative about the war. Last week was no exception. Deep in a Wall Street Journal account of Judy Miller's grand jury appearance was this crucial sentence: "Lawyers familiar with the investigation believe that at least part of the outcome likely hangs on the inner workings of what has been dubbed the White House Iraq Group."

Very little has been written about the White House Iraq Group, or WHIG. Its inception in August 2002, seven months before the invasion of Iraq, was never announced. Only much later would a newspaper article or two mention it in passing, reporting that it had been set up by Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff. Its eight members included Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby, Condoleezza Rice and the spinmeisters Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin. Its mission: to market a war in Iraq.

Of course, the official Bush history would have us believe that in August 2002 no decision had yet been made on that war. Dates bracketing the formation of WHIG tell us otherwise. On July 23, 2002 - a week or two before WHIG first convened in earnest - a British official told his peers, as recorded in the now famous Downing Street memo, that the Bush administration was ensuring that "the intelligence and facts" about Iraq's W.M.D.'s "were being fixed around the policy" of going to war. And on Sept. 6, 2002 - just a few weeks after WHIG first convened - Mr. Card alluded to his group's existence by telling Elisabeth Bumiller of The New York Times that there was a plan afoot to sell a war against Saddam Hussein: "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."


GravatarWell hurry the hell up, Melissa'll be home soon!

It's all up to the threadbot. Sorry, but taking advantage of you on this thread would be OT and wholly inappropriate.


Gravatar"Now where'd I put that LSD..."

And that bottle of ether...


Gravatar Corrente is right, the NY Times has never mentioned the White House Iraq Group. Wonder why not?

Because it's a Tory newspaper?


GravatarLeft Lane--hey, only 2 puzzles today. We actually had to pay bills and sort expenses. And then go to Fry's to get my laptop serviced.

But then we went to the bookstore, which was okay.


GravatarOkay, you caught me: I just want traffic. And pet trolls are kinda fun.

I feel almost the same way: I just want trolls to play *in* traffic.


GravatarI didn't mean to channel Hunter, though I have been drinking. Now where'd I put that LSD...
NTodd


actually you need

"two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole multi colored collection of uppers, downers, laughers, screamers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls."


GravatarBeer: Sleeman (ontario)
pizza: mc cain (new-brunswick)
chips: cape cod (mass.)
hockey: toronto- mtl (2-1 so far, damn those leafs are good this season)
Atrios: no toby

a good saturday night you all!


GravatarAnd that bottle of ether...

Shhhhh...I don't want people to get the wrong impression about me.


GravatarI'm not allowing myself to like the Toby-free space too much.

Bannings tend to be transient-- administered for remedial purposes, perhaps.

On no evidence whatsoever, I've imagined that Atrios just likes to occasionally blow off trolls the way a kid might blow off the puffy head of a dandelion in one fell swoop.

Why does that sound dirty?


GravatarShould I post the rest?
Yes, please.
BTW, Condoleeaza Rice is hideously ugly, so what?


Gravatar"two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole multi colored collection of uppers, downers, laughers, screamers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls."

I gotta go out...to the store...for a little bit.


Gravatar Eli, are you liveblogging yet?

Not really, since I'm the only one watching...


GravatarBobo

Once upon a time, it was a man's world. Men possessed most of the tools one needed for power and success: muscles, connections, control of the crucial social institutions.

Heh. He said "tools."


GravatarI was quite pleased with myself yesterday, I blew through the Friday "diabolical" in under 15 mins!!
Plus, we had a blackout in my neighborhood that turned into an impromptu block party. All together, a fun evening.


Gravatarhow did toby finally wear out his welcome?


Woody,

I believe it started here.


Gravatar"Do you ever feel like blowing a friggin' hole in your head... so you can let the screams out?"


GravatarHeh, Little Brøther said 'blow' and 'puffy' and 'head'. Hehhehheh.


GravatarWhat is Judith Miller's position on this development?
NTodd


That depends upon whom she's fucking at the time.


GravatarI guess it's too late this Halloween for a Judy Miller vinyl mask.


Gravatarres, thanks for the Rich.

Marketing is the gravest evil of the 20th century.


GravatarI gotta go out...to the store...for a little bit.
NTodd |


oh "the store" is that waht you call them now


GravatarSallyh, why have you added Madame Poissonière to your name?


Gravatarcentral--Toby got his ass banned again?


GravatarI believe it started here.

Oh, I'm sure that wasn't Tobes. Completely out of character. Way to erudite.


GravatarRich (cont.)

The official introduction of that product began just two days later. On the Sunday talk shows of Sept. 8, Ms. Rice warned that "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," and Mr. Cheney, who had already started the nuclear doomsday drumbeat in three August speeches, described Saddam as "actively and aggressively seeking to acquire nuclear weapons." The vice president cited as evidence a front-page article, later debunked, about supposedly nefarious aluminum tubes co-written by Judy Miller in that morning's Times. The national security journalist James Bamford, in "A Pretext for War," writes that the article was all too perfectly timed to facilitate "exactly the sort of propaganda coup that the White House Iraq Group had been set up to stage-manage."

The administration's doomsday imagery was ratcheted up from that day on. As Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus of The Washington Post would determine in the first account of WHIG a full year later, the administration's "escalation of nuclear rhetoric" could be traced to the group's formation. Along with mushroom clouds, uranium was another favored image, the Post report noted, "because anyone could see its connection to an atomic bomb." It appeared in a Bush radio address the weekend after the Rice-Cheney Sunday show blitz and would reach its apotheosis with the infamously fictional 16 words about "uranium from Africa" in Mr. Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address on the eve of war.


GravatarOh, I'm sure that wasn't Tobes. Completely out of character. Way to erudite.
NTodd
so you subscribe to the second toby theory


GravatarI am so sick of this fucking woman. I am not going to spend any more time on her and her coy, self-serving bullshit.


GravatarPlum P--my nom de guerre.


Gravatar"two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole multi colored collection of uppers, downers, laughers, screamers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls."


And he wasn't fucking joking, either.
How in hell did he make it as far as he did? Maybe there's a wee bit of justice sometimes, after all...


GravatarOh, I'm sure that wasn't Tobes. Completely out of character. Way to erudite.
NTodd, I agree, I think those posts were all copy/pasted from someplace else.


Gravatarres, thanks for the Rich.

Marketing is the gravest evil of the 20th century.


You are right (and I ought to know, having done it for many years before school).

More Rich to come ...


GravatarToby got his ass banned again?


Sallyh,

I sure as hell hope so.


GravatarWoody,

I believe it started here.
Central Scrutinizer

bloody hell! But what will Steve do if he's got no Toby to fight with (last saturday was tedious)?


GravatarWhat is Judith Miller's position on this development?
NTodd

That depends upon whom she's fucking at the time.


Well, we all know she's leaving the Times to spend more time on her back, er...book. Her book. Right.

oh "the store" is that waht you call them now

Yeah, it sounds better than "Visiting the Faeries in their magical kingdom".


GravatarAnd that bottle of ether...
Mr. Met



What was that John Irving(?) book about the abortionist that did ether.

His undoing.

.


GravatarBreaking on rawstory:


New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who spent 85 days in jail protecting her source in the recent CIA leak investigation, will take an indefinite leave of absence effective immediately.

"Judy is going to take some time off until we decide what she is doing next," Times' spokesperson Catherine Mathis told RAW STORY Saturday afternoon.
[snip]
Two reporters inside the newsroom say they have heard Miller will resign from the paper.

Miller was not cooperative with the Times internal probe, reporters told RAW STORY Thursday. This was confirmed in the New York Times' internal probe.


GravatarChouder House Blues?

.


GravatarLeft Lane--I've determined that the ratings are meaningless. I've blitzed through diabolicals and struggled with mediums. So I don't pay much attention.


GravatarSay what you will about Cindy Sheehan, one thing is for sure.
She is hideously ugly.
pink


What a perfectly nasty and uncalled for thing to say about the mother of a dead soldier.


GravatarYeah, it sounds better than "Visiting the Faeries in their magical kingdom".
NTodd


That one is a bit suspicious


GravatarRich (cont.)

Throughout those crucial seven months between the creation of WHIG and the start of the American invasion of Iraq, there were indications that evidence of a Saddam nuclear program was fraudulent or nonexistent. Joseph Wilson's C.I.A. mission to Niger, in which he failed to find any evidence to back up uranium claims, took place nearly a year before the president's 16 words. But the truth never mattered. The Bush-Cheney product rolled out by Card, Rove, Libby & Company had been bought by Congress, the press and the public. The intelligence and facts had been successfully fixed to sell the war, and any memory of Mr. Bush's errant 16 words melted away in Shock and Awe. When, months later, a national security official, Stephen Hadley, took "responsibility" for allowing the president to address the nation about mythical uranium, no one knew that Mr. Hadley, too, had been a member of WHIG.

It was not until the war was supposedly over - with "Mission Accomplished," in May 2003 - that Mr. Wilson started to add his voice to those who were disputing the administration's uranium hype. Members of WHIG had a compelling motive to shut him down. In contrast to other skeptics, like Mohamed ElBaradei of the International Atomic Energy Agency (this year's Nobel Peace Prize winner), Mr. Wilson was an American diplomat; he had reported his findings in Niger to our own government. He was a dagger aimed at the heart of WHIG and its disinformation campaign. Exactly who tried to silence him and how is what Mr. Fitzgerald presumably will tell us.

It's long been my hunch that the WHIG-ites were at their most brazen (and, in legal terms, reckless) during the many months that preceded the appointment of Mr. Fitzgerald as special counsel. When Mr. Rove was asked on camera by ABC News in September 2003 if he had any knowledge of the Valerie Wilson leak and said no, it was only hours before the Justice Department would open its first leak investigation. When Scott McClellan later declared that he had been personally assured by Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby that they were "not involved" with the leak, the case was still in the safe hands of the attorney general then, John Ashcroft, himself a three-time Rove client in past political campaigns. Though Mr. Rove may be known as "Bush's brain," he wasn't smart enough to anticipate that Justice Department career employees would eventually pressure Mr. Ashcroft to recuse himself because of this conflict of interest, clearing the way for an outside prosecutor as independent as Mr. Fitzgerald.


GravatarEvening chickenbeavers.
Have the NYT editors given Judy^3 her cigar, brandy and revolver yet?


Gravataragave--The Cider House Rules.


Gravatarthe toronto team is called the make believes, not the maple leafs


GravatarOh, I'm sure that wasn't Tobes. Completely out of character. Way to erudite.

______________

NTodd, I agree, I think those posts were all copy/pasted from someplace else.


Well, he hasn't been here since. I've got my fingers crossed.


GravatarRich (cont.)

"Bush's Brain" is the title of James Moore and Wayne Slater's definitive account of Mr. Rove's political career. But Mr. Rove is less his boss's brain than another alliterative organ (or organs), that which provides testosterone. As we learn in "Bush's Brain," bad things (usually character assassination) often happen to Bush foes, whether Ann Richards or John McCain. On such occasions, Mr. Bush stays compassionately above the fray while the ruthless Mr. Rove operates below the radar, always separated by "a layer of operatives" from any ill behavior that might implicate him. "There is no crime, just a victim," Mr. Moore and Mr. Slater write of this repeated pattern.

THIS modus operandi was foolproof, shielding the president as well as Mr. Rove from culpability, as long as it was about winning an election. The attack on Mr. Wilson, by contrast, has left them and the Cheney-Libby tag team vulnerable because it's about something far bigger: protecting the lies that took the country into what the Reagan administration National Security Agency director, Lt. Gen. William Odom, recently called "the greatest strategic disaster in United States history."

Whether or not Mr. Fitzgerald uncovers an indictable crime, there is once again a victim, but that victim is not Mr. or Mrs. Wilson; it's the nation. It is surely a joke of history that even as the White House sells this weekend's constitutional referendum as yet another "victory" for democracy in Iraq, we still don't know the whole story of how our own democracy was hijacked on the way to war.


End.


GravatarI guess it's too late this Halloween for a Judy Miller vinyl mask.
Dartanyon

A rude and crass person might recommend walking around with a dildo in your mouth, dirty knees and a note pad. Good thing Toby was banned, he might have been tempted to say such a thing.


GravatarI personally say
"i'm going for a walk"


Gravatarso you subscribe to the second toby theory

I subscribe to the Magic Toby theory, actually...


Gravatar"What a perfectly nasty and uncalled for thing to say about the mother of a dead soldier."

That's why I ignored that one. With extreme prejudice.


GravatarAriana Huffington will be on CNN tomorrow at 10AM Eastern on Howard Kurtu'z Reliable sources to talk about NYT and Judy. Kurtz said his show is extending to 1 hour starting tomorrow and also at a new time at 10 Eastern.
Ariana will hit it out of the park.
Kurtz also has been tough on Judy and NYT in the recent weeks. He was mildly supportive of Judy back in summer, but pressure is mounting on everyone.

Ariana will set the agenda for the week on this story.


Gravatarecoast: do you have the link?


GravatarI believe it started here.
Central Scrutinizer - 8:38 pm


that seems pretty tame, ceteris paribus...

a retarded screed, no doubt; but certainly no more offensive than any of a dozen other notable irruptions...less offensive by yards than his characterization of Kristen Breitweizer as a whore for prostituting the memory of her son...



also, how do you find and name the url for a particular post on haloscam???


GravatarI subscribe to the Magic Toby theory, actually...
NTodd


"the fact is rove willl not be indicted Lawrence welk and Judy tenuta will be"


Gravataralso, how do you find and name the url for a particular post on haloscam???

The little octothorp linky to the right of the timestamp.


Gravatartoby can go find another streetcorner to preach on

Yeah I saw that, but though it meant new thread.



seemed to come outta no where

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GravatarAriana will set the agenda for the week on this story.
ecoast

she was there last sunday too. Good thing is she's becoming a permanent fixture there, she's been excellent this last year. I heart Ariana!


GravatarI guess it's too late this Halloween for a Judy Miller vinyl mask.
Dartanyon


Sounds like a challenge for John Aravosis...


GravatarThe little octothorp linky to the right of the timestamp.

You mean the pound sign, you elitist hetero puke.


GravatarMarketing is the gravest evil of the 20th century.

Marketing is preemptive public relations...


Gravataralso, how do you find and name the url for a particular post on haloscam???
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka

Yike's, someones in trouble!

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GravatarMarketing is preemptive public relations...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka



marketing is brain salad surgery


Gravatarmarketing is brain salad surgery

So says ELP...


GravatarEvening Moonbats!

Toby banned?

What did he do this time?

I do so hope lots of these people go down -- I want jail time - I want so much popular disgust at this regime that the Dems sweep the mid-terms (you must recall that I am a professional religious fanatic -- having faith is my job)


GravatarOh, man. If only. Can we reanimate his corpse?

Sure! How hard can it be?

OK. If not Rod Steiger, then it's gotta be former Yankees bench coach Don Zimmer.


GravatarToby got his ass banned again?



I was going to write, "and I hope the rest of him got banned too" but then I remembered there isn't anything else.


GravatarFats Domino returns home to New Orleans

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - Rock 'n' roll pioneer
Fats Domino, who was missing for days after Hurricane Katrina, returned home on Saturday to load some of his muddied gold records into the trunk of a car.

Sporting a white captain's hat, gold chain and black galoshes, Domino had a laugh at tributes worried fans had spray-painted on his house after assuming he had died in the storm.

"There was a big 'Rest in Peace' on my balcony on the other house," the 77-year-old musician said with a laugh. "I'm still here, thank God. I'm alive and kicking."

Outside the bright yellow headquarters of Fats Domino Publishing, Domino's son-in-law, Charles Brimmer, helped the musician load mementos from his legendary career into the car.

Told only three of his 21 gold records -- "Rose Mary," "I'm Walkin'," and "Blue Monday" -- had been found, Domino said, "Well, somebody got the rest of them."

"Or they may be floating around here somewhere," Brimmer suggested.


GravatarThanks, res.

And this column is going to appear tomorrow, along with the other two NYT articles we've been discussing?

What a hoot!


GravatarCider House Blues!

.


GravatarHi Prior! I'm with you.


GravatarOK, Cider House Rules!

(fuck)

.


GravatarCHW 3, LAA 1, end of 2nd.


GravatarGonna HAVE to get up reasonably early tomorrow to catch the Sunday shows. When do they start, usually, in Eastern time? (The TV's never on that early here.)


Gravatar...protecting the lies that took the country into what the Reagan administration National Security Agency director, Lt. Gen. William Odom, recently called "the greatest strategic disaster in United States history."

Everyone talks about the hit to the intelligence community.

The military has taken an even bigger hit in terms of deaths, seriously wounded troops (physically and mentally), and decreased enlistments.


Gravatar And then go to Fry's to get my laptop serviced.

Sallyh, Madame Poissoniere


Are they as horrible out there as they are here in Texas? Man, Fry's is one attitudinous store. They'vs copmpletely fenced off the houston store, shrunk the parking slots down to motorcycle size, reserved half the nearest slots to....no, not Handicap, the Police!?...and inside the store, it's even worse. I finally gave up on 'em, and I buy from Directron.com now. I bought a new drive Thursday evening, and it was at my house Friday afternoon. That's service. (I don't live in Houston, where the store/warehouse is).
And no fucking rebates, either...


GravatarCorrente is right, the NY Times has never mentioned the White House Iraq Group. Wonder why not?

JFM's NYT is protecting its sources.


Gravatar4 am Silleigh


Gravatarres ipsa --
HI! Did you get a day off from the salt mines?

Many thanx for the Rich -- outstanding stuff (I prefer it when he doesn't trash the Dems)

I reiterate that we hanged people at Nuremberg for what this regime has done (most of the hangees weren't for killing Jews & gays & gypies & etc., etc., but for attacking Poland without justification) -- these clowns should all have cells next to Milosivic


GravatarEli -- I'm watchin'

Rave to the Grave next


GravatarI guess it's too late this Halloween for a Judy Miller vinyl mask.

Stretch a dried elephant hemorrhoid skin over your head.


Gravatarres ipsa --
HI! Did you get a day off from the salt mines?


Prior A .. Hello. You will not believe this (or maybe you will) but they told us yesterday that we might have to work SATURDAYS, too. I said, "No thanks" and it was very controversial that I refused, but I think it emboldened some others to refuse, too. I cannot work seven days a week. I just can't do it.


Gravatar Eli -- I'm watchin'

Rave to the Grave next


Awesome. I'm all over that.


GravatarRave to the grave!


GravatarStretch a dried elephant hemorrhoid skin over your head.

Make sure you put on some cold cream first, or that bitch will never come off...


GravatarI know you're all dying for me to post Brooks now.


GravatarPlum P,

Link to Rawstory's story on Judy's resignation talk:


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ Re..._take_1015.html


GravatarEli, are we on?


GravatarOur Holy-Roller-in-Chief

BY THE TIME our holy-roller-in-chief leaves office, we will really be confused about the role of religion.

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.c...aily.com/? p=858


Gravatar I know you're all dying for me to post Brooks now.

Yeah! Right on! Um, later, though - we need to focus all our concentration on Rave To The Grave right now. You understand.


Gravatar Eli, are we on?

Oh yeah. It's *on*.


Not real gripping so far...


GravatarDoozer--going to Fry's is an exercise in misery. However, it pales in comparison to trying to get anything serviced at Best Buy.


GravatarToby banned?

What did he do this time?


Maybe it was his raving about Sweden being irrelevant that put Atrios over edge.


GravatarDoes anyone know why my cell phone would interfere with my TV signal?

I get some serious static sounding "popping" noises.


GravatarPeter Coyote is a total grinning freak in these movies. Weird enough to see him smile at all, much less... continuously.


GravatarAs for Bush's nation building in the Middle East...I find it Iran-aq.


GravatarSilleigh --
I don't know when the Sunday morning atrocities start -- not only am I in church a lot on Sundays (well, everyday, but I need it) but my blodd pressure would go nuts if I were to watch the lies & the lying liars who tell them -- much safer to get the reports here!


GravatarThanks ecoast!

Two reporters inside the newsroom say they have heard Miller will resign from the paper.

who would give her a job now? I'm sure even the wingnuts media wont touch her now


Gravatarot, the bbc is presenting a marathon of 'the avengers' starring THE coolest woman of the 1970s -- diana rigg


GravatarWe should take Haloscan out for a nice DINNER so it will stop munching on posts...

Plum, suddenly I am far less compelled to catch the Sunday morning shows. Hey, I know: YOU can live-blog 'em for me, and I'll sleep 'til noon and read up on 'em later! Isn't that a great idea?


Gravatarand this b***h is getting a "First Amendment Award" on the 18th from the Society of (cough cough) Professional Journalists...

http://www.spj.org/news.asp?ref=526


New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who was jailed 85 days for refusing to reveal the source who disclosed the identity of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame, will speak to participants of the 2005 SPJ Convention & National Journalism Conference at 8:15 a.m., Oct. 18. in Las Vegas.

Miller, who also will receive a First Amendment Award, will then join a panel discussion titled "The Reporter's Privilege Under Siege." Joining Miller on the panel is Associated Press reporter Josef Hebert, Patricia Hurtado of Newsday, and Bruce Sanford of Baker and Hostetler law firm.

Miller's speech is scheduled for 8:15 to 9 a.m. in Grand Ballroom 4 at the Aladdin Hotel and Casino. The panel discussion will follow from 9 to 9:45 a.m.

For information about covering this program, contact Julie Grimes, Deputy Executive Director, Society of Professional Journalists, at (317) 431-3785



I suggest we all call and ask WHY?

What Judy Kneepads did wasn't journalism...it was propaganda.


GravatarDoes anyone know why my cell phone would interfere with my TV signal?

What kind of cell phone? What kind of TV reception (satellite? rabbit ears?)? It all depends on the frequency spectrum being used...


GravatarSallyh, I have a guy who freelances computer servicing and repair. I always call him. I can't imagine going into Fry's. That place is always a zoo.
Now: CHW 4, LAA 1


GravatarOh, sorry, but I'm late to the party. Still, I insist Nancy Culp's corpse portrays Judith.


Gravatar As for Bush's nation building in the Middle East...I find it Iran-aq.

No pun threads! I'm Syria-s.


GravatarJudy's mistake on Valerie Plame's name seems to me to be more likely to have been because she saw the name rather than heard it. This meeting on June 23 was in the EOB where Scooter and his boss have offices. Fitzgerald asked about any papers Scooter showed her and she referred to something he pulled out of his pocket - he's in his office and he's carrying around secret documents in his pocket? Among other obfuscations in her article, it's not clear which meeting involved papers.

Everything in this article sounds like her attorney wrote it with an eye toward perjury. "My notes indicate", "I told Mr. Fitzgerald"... For her to say that she doesn't recall who first "told" her may be literally true if she first saw the name on paper.


Gravatar"I was a top-secret government official!"


Gravatar"who would give her a job now? I'm sure even the wingnuts media wont touch her now
Plum P"

are you kidding? she's got a very bright future in a neocon think tank...


GravatarMake sure you put on some cold cream first, or that bitch will never come off...

Hey, let's keep it realistic.


GravatarMontréal - toronto 2-2 in the third

you Rnagers are winning 4-1 Eli


GravatarAll right, dead guy already!


GravatarJillian, the "award" is Halliburton stock. I hope that answers the "why".


Gravatarot, the bbc is presenting a marathon of 'the avengers' starring THE coolest woman of the 1970s -- diana rigg
...subject of many an adolescent, masturbatory fantasy...


GravatarOhcrap! It's a Toby Petzold zombie!


GravatarNo pun threads! I'm Syria-s.
NTodd |

what canada?


GravatarScantily clad cheerleaders...Eli, are you watching?


Gravatarlove these cheerleaders.


GravatarNTodd,

Motorola phone, cable connection.

It only affects one TV, an RCA.


GravatarOh, sorry, but I'm late to the party. Still, I insist Nancy Culp's corpse portrays Judith. --lipreader

Sorry, it's already playing Harriet Miers.


GravatarNtodd Israeli syria-s.


Gravataryou Rnagers are winning 4-1 Eli

In-fucking-credible.

They'll still finish under .500, I reckon.


Gravatarot, the bbc is presenting a marathon of 'the avengers' starring THE coolest woman of the 1970s -- diana rigg
...subject of many an adolescent, masturbatory fantasy...


I'd hit it.

what canada?

I Haiti you.


Gravatar Scantily clad cheerleaders...Eli, are you watching?

Intently.


GravatarPrior A, good perspective on that. I spied somewhere upthread, though, that Arianna Huffington is gonna be on CNN's 10AM show tomorrow, and got to thinking it might be a good day to tune in and catch as much Repug fidgeting as possible.

Is it possible for something to be good for the soul yet bad for the blood pressure?


Gravatarres ipsa --
No bricks without straw!

"If you have a boss, you need a union!"

But I don't think you need to be "over the edge" to ban Toby!


GravatarAren't they the girls from Fargo?

(Go Bears!)


GravatarWhat Judy Kneepads did wasn't journalism...it was propaganda.
jillian"

jillian...go to the site and hit the 'contact' link...they're all kids! It must be an organization of HS newspaper writers...


GravatarOff topic, but the USC-Notre Dame game was the greatest football game ever played today.


GravatarIsn't that a great idea?
Silleigh

for you it is! You got me baby!

are you kidding? she's got a very bright future in a neocon think tank...
jdw

just so tainted! i dont think the neocons will want her, she screwed up for them too!


Gravatarwhat canada?

I Haiti you.
NTodd |


uganda be kidding


GravatarLess exposition!! More brains!!!!


Gravatarwoman of the 1970s -- diana rigg
bkny

No, I think it's already been establisht that it is what's her name from 'Get Smart'.

.


Gravatarlipreader, it was a fucking incredible game!!


Gravatar Less exposition!! More brains!!!!

Yeah! When was the last time you saw a zombie try to eat someone's exposition?


GravatarPrior A,

I finally got around to picking up Jim Wallis' book. I'm only about 60 pages in, but I have to admit he raises some valid points.


GravatarNo, I think it's already been establisht that it is what's her name from 'Get Smart'.

Barbara Feldon? Sorry, not even close.


GravatarIt was, Left Lane. And Notre Dame lost, which is always a plus.


GravatarNo, I think it's already been establisht that it is what's her name from 'Get Smart'.

.
agav


Barbara Feldon who is secretly watertiger


GravatarMotorola phone, cable connection.

It only affects one TV, an RCA.


Hmm. Well, it's possible that the RCA electronics are simply not as well isolated as your other TVs', so it's more susceptible to RFI. Weird thing is that most digital cellular uses lower power, so I would expect it to be less likely to interfere with other devices--or are you in an analog cell?


Gravatar(I wonder why WalterNeff is not here, making recent developments all the more entertaining...)


Gravatar"Searching for these canisters is like searching for needle in flapjack!"


GravatarRobert Blake would be perfect as the Chimp.


GravatarI was sweatin it here. My running partner was in South Bend, the big lug! He's gonna have some big talking points next week.


GravatarWhat zombie movie would be complete without humorous bickering Russian henchmen?


GravatarNo, I think it's already been establisht that it is what's her name from 'Get Smart'.

.
agave


barbara feldon -- actually, she'd be the cool spy icon of the 60s


Gravataruganda be kidding

Ah, I Kenya fool you...


GravatarThese puns stress me out.

Where's the Vodka, time to Taiwan on.

.


GravatarBarbara Feldon : Diana Rigg :: Doris Day : Lauren Bacall


Gravatar"Is it possible for something to be good for the soul yet bad for the blood pressure?
Silleigh | Email | 10.15.05 - 9:13 pm | #"

I think that this might be possible -- chicken soup is supposed to be good for the soul (according to the titles of all those dreadful books) but high in sodium (NOT good for BP)

How R U dune?


Gravatar"Last year Mikhail and Sergei found 55 of those drums and the Agency gave them a case of Cristal and a trip to Euro-Disney"

"Those canisters must be important!"


Gravatarot, the bbc is presenting a marathon of 'the avengers' starring THE coolest woman of the 1970s -- diana rigg

Oh, man! I'd hit it.

"She's right, you know."


GravatarJust finished Judith's immaculate account. She reminds me of a prissy editor I worked with, dotting i's and crossing t's. But then Judith can't recall where names "Victoria Wilson" "Valerie Flame" in her notebook came from.

You'd think we at eschaton knew more than CIA and the press at the time. Now there's a scary thought.


GravatarWhere's the Vodka, time to Taiwan on.

Don't Russia off just yet...


GravatarWhat zombie movie would be complete without humorous bickering Russian henchmen?
Eli

my fave zombie movie of the last few years was 28 days later, and the music was great too, the dr who, sorry, christopher eccleston caracter was so good!


GravatarThat's why I love this place. Puns, without Turkeys.


GravatarRobert Blake would be perfect as the Chimp.
buck blessing



Blake played John List (the guy who offed his entire family in 1971 and took it on the lam for 18 years till America's Most Wanted caught him) a few years back.

He was terrific.

I saw it about 6 years ago. They haven't shown it since, I wish they would and I wish it was on DVD.


GravatarI would expect it to be less likely to interfere with other devices--or are you in an analog cell?

No it's digital, and the TV's only about 3 years old, so I'm puzzled as to why there is so much interference. I didn't have any problems with my old Nokia crap phone.


GravatarAh, I Kenya fool you...
NTodd



well
it's my way or zimbabwe


GravatarThe UPS guy just came by with a Pakistan.


GravatarJust got back from having dinner, and saw Phoenix Woman's link at 8:11, about the faking of a Commerce Dept. report.
That's quite a find, IMO. Is it in the MSM at all?


GravatarPrior, hm, excellent answer. I suddenly wonder if the Chicken Soup stuff is a franchise, and if one would be sued into the ground if one wrote, say, "Chicken Soup for the Sociopathic Soul."

I R dune okay, except my supervisor quit last week, she was fabulous, they'll probably replace her with a nitwit, so I'm seriously reassessing some of my more indulgent hobbies: living beneath a roof, eating, etc.


Gravatardam, toronto scores, 3-2 now


GravatarWhat Judy Kneepads did wasn't journalism...it was propaganda.
jillian


Amen.

For the longest time, we haven't had journalists in this country.

We have had GOP whores.


GravatarThey haven't shown it since, I wish they would and I wish it was on DVD.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat


i'm sure i've seen it pop up on one of those a&e type channels.


GravatarThis is fun! The night is young, so it' time to mix up another Martinique.


GravatarThat's why I love this place. Puns, without Turkeys.

Irish we would do more of these, and have less talk about biofuels.

it's my way or zimbabwe

Geesh, what Somalia you?


GravatarA-ha! Here's the rave!


The wacky bickering Russian henchmen will fit right in.

Ah, and I see the Discount Allyson Hannigan is in this one too.


GravatarI thought Wallis's book was like deja vu all over again, but I read a lot of that sort of stuff -- also thought it was repetitive

OTOH -- having someone with a big "Christian Evangelical" sign over his head saying that sort of thing ought to get some MSM attention (don't know that it has, though)


GravatarDamn wireless network, crapping out on me right in the middle of movieblogging...


GravatarSay what you will about McClelland, but Scotland on his feet more often than not.


GravatarGeesh, what Somalia you?
NTodd

Libya get what you pay for


GravatarCentral,
Sometimes I listen to a transistor radio. It makes a clicking sound about 5-10 seconds before my cell phone rings. I even have time to turn off the cell if I don't want to deal with a call at that time.


GravatarRobert Blake would be perfect as the Chimp.

He was good in "In Cold Blood."


Gravatar"I wonder why WalterNeff is not here...
--Silleigh


Me too. I think he said he was going back to the hospital this past Monday to have some tubes or something removed. Hope he is okay. Not only is he the most handsome, he is also the wittiest.


GravatarThe UPS guy just came by with a Pakistan.

Damn, I wish I Scot something from UPS...


GravatarOh, sorry, but I'm late to the party. Still, I insist Nancy Culp's corpse portrays Judith.
lipreader


And the rotting corpse of Bela Lugosi (he's dead, you know) can play the rotting corpse of Bob Novak...


GravatarAh, and I see the Discount Allyson Hannigan is in this one too.
Eli |


there's a discount allyson hannigan

Is there also a discount sraah michelle gellar?


GravatarJudy Plame is going straight to hell when she dies, right straight down into the Netherlands.


Gravatar Say what you will about McClelland, but Scotland on his feet more often than not.

Norway!

Libya get what you pay for

Now I feel Egypt.


GravatarSo just how bad is this movie?


And BTW, yes, Judy should be fired. If she did what Libby asked her to, she not only concealed her source, she mislead the public on where the info was coming from. If she did it. Which she probably did.


GravatarAh.

I see the character that I want to die first.

I bet he gets zombified but remains an irritating Matthew Lillard-ish wanker.


GravatarJudy Plame

???


Gravatarhockey is about the only reason I want to watch tv.


GravatarWhy not have Dennis Miller play Bush? Just tell him to play himself. He would think he is being clever, smart, funny, and show what an ass he actually is. He would be especially good if Roseanne Barr played Rove.


GravatarOhhh, the eyeball action was excellent!.


Gravatar Judy Plame is going straight to hell when she dies, right straight down into the Netherlands.

Denmark this down so we remember Left Lane's prediction...


GravatarIs there also a discount sraah michelle gellar?

Hell, I'd spring for a retail Sheryl Crow


GravatarI bet he gets zombified but remains an irritating Matthew Lillard-ish wanker.


I agree.


GravatarNot only is he the most handsome, he is also the wittiest.

I had the oddest dream about him the other night. Dreamed I was riding past a house that someone told me Walter lived in. I saw this happy, smiling man with kind of ridiculously glistening teeth in the yard and thought, "That's him." ???

I am 'bout ready to go rent anything with Fred MacMurray in it, in fact.


GravatarThis just in: CHW 5, LAA 2.


GravatarWhy are the black kid's lips blue?


GravatarErinPDX,

That's been my experience too. If I want to take the call, I either have to mute the TV or go into another room.


GravatarNow I feel Egypt.
NTodd

Come on admit it iraq!


GravatarSill --
I don't suppose you could apply for the supervisor's job...


GravatarDoes anyone think this pun thread Congo on all night?


GravatarSo what the hell is this rodeo business?


Gravatarsouldn'td threadbot kick in pretty soon?


GravatarVote Green
No "stay in Iraq" Dean
and other Bush enabling Democrats


GravatarOTOH -- having someone with a big "Christian Evangelical" sign over his head saying that sort of thing ought to get some MSM attention (don't know that it has, though)
Prior Aelred


It got zero MSM attention.

What I find odd about it is that it is directed towards today's politicians, but it would be more effective, imho, if it were directed towards today's Christians. They are the ones who are the voters.


Gravataragave--The Cider House Rules.
Sallyh, Madame Poissoniere


Sorry, didn't see that, till Holoscam stalled at your comment.

I did one of those slow recalls.

Good, but somewhat depressing book.

If you're anywhere near suicidal, DO NOT read Thomas Mann.

.


GravatarIs there also a discount sraah michelle gellar?

Hell, I'd spring for a retail Sheryl Crow
Left Lane | Email | 10.15.05 - 9:31 pm | #

You can have her for cheap. Her version of "The First Cut is the Deepest" is the worst thing ever recorded. If it doesn't cause Lance to lose his other ball nothing will.


GravatarCome on admit it iraq!

Welsh, I guess Uke-an do the humpty dance pretty good...


GravatarIran is my favorite song by flock of seagulls


Gravatarlipreader, heh! All her music pretty much sucks. As does, I hope, she.


Gravatar4Legs--and how is the Very Bad Plushy Kitty?


GravatarVote Green
No "stay in Iraq" Dean
and other Bush enabling Democrats


Fuck you, you stupid, one-note, completely non-sensical Green skullfucker.


GravatarVote Green
No "stay in Iraq" Dean
and other Bush enabling Democrats


Fuck you, you stupid, one-note, completely non-sensical Green skullfucker.


GravatarDenmark this down so we remember Left Lane's prediction...

Czech.


GravatarWelsh, I guess Uke-an do the humpty dance pretty good...
NTodd


Saudi!


GravatarLeft Lane...she got the fucking HOOK wrong! What a maroon.


GravatarTech support gurus -- (I think I've bugged Monsieur enough--said something about going off to his home office): I'm having issues logging into Yahoo Mahjongg Solitaire. I can get as far as the games screen and the applet won't load.

As I said, crappy loaner computer.


GravatarI think that maybe selling the zombie juice to everyone in the school could potentially end badly.


GravatarOur Food section in the newspaper (which is disgustingly yuppified) published a short, simple
soup recipe that an Omnivore will love.
Serves up great with Cornbread. Add Parmesan Cheese or a dollop of sour cream if you need something stronger:

1-2 Tbls Virgin olive oil
med onions- finely chopped
I lg red sweet capsicum, finely chopped
4 plump garlic cloves, minced
1-1/2 teaspoons ground cumin
2 (15oz) cans vegetable broth
2 (15oz) cans black beans, drained and rinsed
2 Tbls Balsamic vinegar
Salt and Pepper to taste.

Saute the finely chopped veggies in the Oil in a large saucepan until golden, about 8 minutes.
Add the garlic and cumin and fry until fragrant, stirring frequently; about 1-2 minutes.
Add vegetable broth and beans, Stir. Bring to a boil and simmer, stiring occasionally, about ten
minutes. Ladle out a cup of bean mixture into a shallow bowl, and puree with a potato masher or coarse whisk for a minute or so- add Balsamic vinegar and return to soup; Bring gently to a boil, stir, and serve.


GravatarDiane --
Good point, but it is associated with Sojourner's -- obviously a Commie front organization -- so no "real Christian" would read it -- try out landover Baptist if you can stand it -- (BTW -- did you know that Jim Wallis's wife is an Anglican priest -- in fact, the one on whom "The Vicar of Dibley" is based?)


Gravatar4Legs--and how is the Very Bad Plushy Kitty?


Very bad plushy kitty is outside skulking around the pool.

I gave up.

So what is this movie? about a zombie rave? so the message is that if you take drugs and go to raves you'll turn into a flesh eating maniac?


GravatarOoh, the evil eyes!


Gravatarso the message is that if you take drugs and go to raves you'll turn into a flesh eating maniac?
fourlegsgood


did joe leibermmann produce it?

didn't he do the antirave act?


Gravatar"Listen, if you can't trust your drug dealer, who can you trust, huh?"


GravatarThese frat guys seem halfway there already...


Gravatardamn, maple leafs won


GravatarFuck you, you stupid, one-note, completely non-sensical Green skullfucker.

Same to you! Have fun voting for Hilary in 2008. 4 more years in Iraq will be her campaign platform.


GravatarThe continueing Punning here disaGreese with my sensitive senseabilities.


MELISSA IS HOME WITH MY VODKA!

I hear her.
.


GravatarMorocco these puns!


GravatarWell there's the problem -- just one capsule is safe but those damned kids just don't listen!


Gravatar4Legs--I hope the neighbors don't start complaining that Lion Kitty is stalking all their poultry.


GravatarPlease tell me George Romero didn't have anything to do with this...


Gravatar Well there's the problem -- just one capsule is safe but those damned kids just don't listen!

Kids these days. Not even enough self-control to not turn into zombies.


GravatarOkay, puking on screen!


GravatarI Kuwait for the puns to Finnish.


Gravatarcrappy drugs will make you fart and vomit.


Kids, be warned.


Gravatarlook, pinch is a spook. so is judy.

the only question is who are they working for...the outfit? i think not.

it's a jewish thing. abe foxman has been their controller. the adl of b'nai b'rith is the entity that harbors israeli intell. along with the israeli embassy.

pinch is a zionist. as is judy. all these crimes are linked to the zionists that have taken over the bush regime. how is it that they own bush? they have the pix of cocks in his mouth.

when you see georgie biting his cheek, exhibiting the squirming of a 6 year old, you are watching the individual who is terrified that the mossad is going to reveal his homosexuality. if he refrains from killing more iraqis, syrians, iranians...more muslims.

that is what is driving the butchery being imposed on the iraqis by bush...the fear that his cocksucking orientation will be made public. by the israeli intell services.

and that is the way it is today, 15/10/05.


GravatarThe puns will never Finnish.


GravatarEli--what do you think of Blonde Science Babe?

Seems kind of young to be a science babe, if you ask me.


GravatarI Kuwait for the puns to Finnish.
lipreade

norway!


Gravatar(BTW -- did you know that Jim Wallis's wife is an Anglican priest -- in fact, the one on whom "The Vicar of Dibley" is based?)
Prior Aelred

Good grief! No, I didn't know that. Hmm...now that's interesting.


Gravatar4Legs--I hope the neighbors don't start complaining that Lion Kitty is stalking all their poultry.


They're too busy petting him because he's a little slut.


GravatarThese kids totally can't handle their zombie juice.


GravatarFuck you, you stupid, one-note, completely non-sensical Green skullfucker.

Same to you! Have fun voting for Hilary in 2008. 4 more years in Iraq will be her campaign platform.


Who says I'm voting Hillary? I'm not beholden to any party, which is why I'm an Indy. And who the fuck says she's running in 2008?

You, on the other hand, give us nothing positive to consider about a Green presidential candidate. You merely repeat the same stupid bumpersticker at every chance, somehow lumping Dean in the mix with no real discussion about his actual position or the difficulties withdrawal entails. I am an advocate of withdrawal, yet I'm not a one-issue voter and I consider other positions.

So get a quarter and buy a fucking clue, dipshit.


Gravataralbert, do you really think so? Bush is a homosexual...???


GravatarSame to you! Have fun voting for Hilary in 2008. 4 more years in Iraq will be her campaign platform.

You're an idiot.

2008 is many moons away.


GravatarOoooh psychedelic!!!!


Gravatar Eli--what do you think of Blonde Science Babe?

Seems kind of young to be a science babe, if you ask me.


No such thing as too young to be a science babe.

Especially if you're blonde.


GravatarFrat brothers share internal organs?

Who knew?


GravatarWait, we have *wisecracking* zombies now?


GravatarBlonde Science Babe
Perking up here


GravatarAs for the puns: Swede thread, Atriots!


GravatarThey're too busy petting him because he's a little slut.

I'm picking up some... resentment.


GravatarNow that was uncalled for.


Gravatar"I thought you were going to help me with my colon-cleansing lab today!"


GravatarKids today can't handle their Zambia juice.


GravatarOooooh! brain eatage!


Yes, chop his head off. That always works.



Note to kids out there, avoid zombie juice and worstershire sauce.


GravatarWhat netherlads did these zombies come from?


Gravatarthreadbot has given birth to a new sheet


GravatarFrat brothers share internal organs?

Duh. It's part of the initiation rites. Frats aren't all about goatfucking and homoerotic paddling, you know.


GravatarThis rat has a brilliant mind!!



Now there's an inane comment.


Gravatar"This rat has a brilliant mind! I will not have you poison him with your boyfriend's party supplies!"


Gravatar"You can be in the control group."


GravatarThat's some *damn* fast zombies. Aren't they supposed to lumber around like Cheney?


GravatarThe puns will never Finnish.

They raise some folks Eire, for some reason.


GravatarAtrios,

Please print the next begging e-mail that Toby writes, when he wants to come back here.

Don't keep it to yourself, give everyone a laugh.


GravatarWell, when it gets boring, ac can always be counted on to liven things up.


Gravatarjamaica due with what you can


GravatarWait a second - how about Zombie Bob Hoskins as DIck Cheney?


GravatarBlonde Science Babe just screwed Mr. Stinky.

That's a sentence I never thought I'd type.


GravatarI need drugs dammit...this is all too much.


GravatarAs I said, crappy loaner computer.
Sallyh, Madame Poissoniere


Java installed?


GravatarNote to kids out there, avoid zombie juice and worstershire sauce.

You know, I haven't watched South Park for so long...


Gravatarfourlegs, so the unrepentent plushy one is outside slutting it up?

I've had 4 strays, and only the 2 toms felt the need to try and go back out. Shad actually spent a night outside, wailing underneath my parents window, all the while not allowing us to retrive him. When we finally got him back inside, not only was he unrepentent, he blamed us! (now he's trying to help me type, by lying on half the keyboard and glaring at me because I'm moving my hands.)


Gravatarre: cell phone. I have an ancient i1000. I get the same clicking sound when I make a call or get a call from car radio, PC speakers, even a Meridian phone at the ofice.


GravatarDoozer--perhaps not!


GravatarNTodd has to watch _Swing Time_ to-morrow. The entire plot is based on having/not having pants.


Gravatarnow he's trying to help me type, by lying on half the keyboard and glaring at me because I'm moving my hands.

God, I love cats.


Gravatarjamaica due with what you can

I Tibet we can keep this up on the new thread...


GravatarI grew 'sweet herb' for the first time this summer, and I didn't do such a bad job; but it's so hard keeping up.


GravatarTurkey to happiness is.....(and this is where I prove myself incapable of True Punning)....


GravatarWhere's the Vodka, time to Taiwan on.

If you ran out of taters and wheat, and all you had was a big pile of sawdust, could you make Woodka!

And could we send bottles to all out TrOoZl for Xmas?


GravatarBlonde Science Babe just screwed Mr. Stinky.

That's a sentence I never thought I'd type.
Dee


Put that on a T shirt, I dare ya...


GravatarI'm confused It seems the explanation is more convoluted than the actual story.


GravatarLittle did I know I would long for the days for New York Times reporters like Jayson Blair. At least when he made shit up it was harmless.


GravatarMiller has been offered 1.2 million dollar book deal..proceeds should go to vets injured in this abominable war that she helped foment


GravatarThat is so fucking evil. Former hill staffer.

That alone should get her fired. Period. That is so unethical, it ain't funny.


GravatarWhat Libby wanted was to, in essence, grant the entire senior administration "anonymity" by pretending the information was coming from somewhere.

You hit the nail on the head. What Libby wanted to do was slime, slime, slime, and to cover up the tracks. Mens rea, thank you kindly...

Cheers,


GravatarWill Ferrell.


GravatarAlec Baldwin as Joe Wilson and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Rove. Richard Dreyfus as Cheney.

Who plays the chimp?
?® | 10.15.05 - 7:41 pm | #

Jim Carey or DJ Qualls


GravatarWho plays the chimp?

Making a special animated appearance: Alfred E. Neuman.


GravatarThat would be very much like interviewing a General, then attirubting the quotes to "a Lieutenant," or "a Captain," because the General once had been one.


GravatarTwo Thoughts after reading the Times piece and Judy's piece of BS. The notation in Judy's notebook "Valerie Flame" was not a mistake. It was a simple truth - you burn a covert agent by outing them!!!!

Cheny was in Saudi Arabia negotiating with the Royal family to gasin permission to use Air Bases for the first Iraq War (along with Richard Clarke and others according to Clarke's book) WHILE JOE WILSON was acting US Ambassador in Baghdad ! And Cheney didn't know who Wilson was come NIger and the forged docs???? Puh leeezee.


GravatarTwo Thoughts after reading the Times piece and Judy's piece of BS. The notation in Judy's notebook "Valerie Flame" was not a mistake. It was a simple truth - you burn a covert agent by outing them!!!!

Cheney was in Saudi Arabia negotiating with the Royal family to gain permission to use Air Bases for the first Iraq War (along with Richard Clarke and others according to Clarke's book) WHILE JOE WILSON was acting US Ambassador in Baghdad ! And Cheney didn't know who Wilson was come NIger and the forged docs???? Puh leeezee.

Sorry about the typos above


GravatarHas the phrase 'Pinch and Judy show' made it into the public consciousness yet as a good way to describe what the NY Times has become? If not, I claim it.


GravatarWho plays the chimp?

What happened to the chimp that outperformed Reagan?


Gravatararrogance will always get you in the end.


GravatarFORMER HILL STAFFER= TIM RUSSERT

Say it ain't so Timmeh!
What Would Worlw War Two do? WWWW2D?

How far you've fallen, how fast, Timmeh. Your son can always sign up for the war and bring back honor to your name!


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