I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist
and the final graf:
Judy told The Times that she plans to write a book and intends to return to the newsroom, hoping to cover "the same thing I've always covered - threats to our country." If that were to happen, the institution most in danger would be the newspaper in your hands.
ouch.
I could of been first but haloscum refused my post. I'm beginning to feel like fy.
So Russert is the Judy Miller of the TV "news."
Once the Plamegate scandal fully erupts and all the facts are known, Timmy and Judy should both receive their walking papers and be sent to oblivion or jail, which is far better than hell, which is what they deserve.
Rudy
Too good to be lost on the abbreviated thread.
Judy's currently downtown shrieking about "Snotty Irish Sluts" in her tastefully appointed Police Building apartment while Jason Epstein cowers and cleans the Dean and DeLuca coffee she just hurled off their kitchen walls.
BWHAHHAHAHHAH!
I could of been first but haloscum refused my post. I'm beginning to feel like fy.
Nah. You're smart and interesting.
Judy's currently downtown shrieking about "Snotty Irish Sluts" in her tastefully appointed Police Building apartment while Jason Epstein cowers and cleans the Dean and DeLuca coffee she just hurled off their kitchen walls
And grinding a chocolate croissant into the carpet with her Manola Blahniks.
So how about that Fitzgerald website, eh?
He's going to be able to push out the announcements *and get them covered by the press* with more control this way.
It's a very smart move, no?
his unique translation device
This is also known as a bullshit detector.
So how about that Fitzgerald website, eh?
Link, please?
Judith Miller must be gnashing her teeth and foaming at the mouth while reading the opinion piece.
hope she doesn't suffer from apoplexy.
Err, far be it from me to break the Times Select or anything, but the full text is posted in the 6:20 thread.
Completely by accident, I'm sure.
I got as far as the part where they wanted my Credit Card info. No thanks.
Times select? I have to pay extra to read the New York Times? You got to be kidding! Pathetic!
Look, it's obvious the times is hurting, and they want us to foot their bill. Don't link to something that I have to pay extra for. Please!
Hey, I'm Irish too!
Metro NY weather: Pissy
NY Times: see above
TV: none, TV broken
If anyone video taped "America's Next Top Model, please e-mail me.
Forgive my re-posting from the previous thread, but I thought it was worth repeating and will probably do a whole blog on why Liberia is metaphor for the human condition:
A friend of mine (and frequent tennis rival) is a reporter who recently returned from Liberia, Africa, where an election has just been held.
George Weah who got 22% of the vote in a 20 plus candidate race has little or no education, being a "self-made-man" who rose from rank Liberian poverty to become a world-class soccer star.
My friend, Ken Shulman's report is on NPR today. The reason I mention it is that what struck me most about this story is how ignorant the populace is and how that presents a very low threshold for war, and civil war has been Liberia's curse.
America suffers from a similar ignorance that causes thepopulace to allow someone as fraudulent and devious as Bushboy to scare them into the Iraq war.
Reminding me of the axiom: If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!!!
Here:
http://oakparkgirl.blogspot.com/
...estruction.html
Favourite graf:
"An Associated Press story yesterday reported that Judy had coughed up the details of an earlier meeting with Mr. Libby only after prosecutors confronted her with a visitor log showing that she had met with him on June 23, 2003. This cagey confusion is what makes people wonder whether her stint in the Alexandria jail was in part a career rehabilitation project."
Mark - Times Select is doomed to fail. 
I get the NY Times for free because I get "The New York Times delivered to my home." Which is stilted NY Times speak for home delivery.
I like the crossword puzzles.
Ms. Dowd has been as much an enabler of G. W. Bush and company as Ms. Miller ever was.
Love,
Search the 6:20 thread whiners. It's there. And nasty, nasty, nasty.
Saucer of milk-table for two! My goodness! I'm putting $5 on MoDo. That flaming red hair, Irish surname...so kitten with a whip.
Cervantes - excellent point
Err, far be it from me to break the Times Select or anything, but the full text is posted in the 6:20 thread.
Completely by accident, I'm sure.
Oopies, how could that have happened? These Internets are just so hard to work with sometimes...
res,
It's here: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/os.../osc/
index.html
And now I'm off to try to accomplish something. Bye!!
If that were to happen, the institution most in danger would be the newspaper in your hands.
ouch.
Melic
The institution of the NYTimes is doomed as more and more people look at what's happened over the last couple of decades.
Judith Chalabi Miller though is a grave and present threat to the institution of the US Constitution and the Republic for which it stands.
Ms. Dowd has been as much an enabler of G. W. Bush and company as Ms. Miller ever was.
Indeed. But she's kinda cute, and now seems to have gotten a clue about Bush.
The NY Times refers to the internets as "the Web." Is this a "current usage" or is it another pompous NY Times-ism?
And now I'm off to try to accomplish something. Bye!!
Scanning ultrasound pictures, maybe?
Look, it's obvious the times is hurting, and they want us to foot their bill.
Mark Andresen: Sure are.
I'm no great fan of MoDo but she really bit the hand with this one.
.
"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!"
Lord Acton's words should be emblazoned on the entrance to the White House, the halls of Congress and in every media editorial room in the country.
The story of Bushboy, the Goopers and the fawning, sycophantic, reporters who do their dirty propaganda work and feel lucky for the "access" and the misinformation, is all about power.
Having power or having access to it increases the ego and diminishes judgement. It permits prejudices and presumptions to replace rigorous analysis and truth.
Such it has always been and so it will always be and the only real protection from ego-maniacs in the WH or the press is to check their history.
It's always littered with conceits and deceits.
The revolt in the NY Times newsroom may be to get the board to replace Pinch Sulzberger with his cousin, Michael Golden.
Golden was forced out of the Times and became the publisher of the International Herald Tribune. I believe that he was forced out over an ethics issue.
He has ethics.
Thanks for the link, Mark. The NY Times is worse off than I thought.
This is the problem with some family-owned businesses - nobody to make tough business decisions.
christ. just read the dowd thing. whatever. sure glad I didn't pay for it. Billmon is way, way better. I'm sorry, but most of this big name newspaper people aren't much better than anyone else. just better connected I guess.
Harriet Pulls Out?
http://americablog.blogspot.com/...t-pull-
out.html
Sounds like uncivil war has broken out at the NY Times.
This might be enough of a diversion to get us through the wait for Fitzgerald's indictments.
I hope pie has plenty of popcorn on hand.
No, Dowd still hasn't gotten the point. She's still writing personality-focused pieces, chock full of fake psychological insights with the theme that character is destiny. Nothing on policy.
As Paul Krugman has pointed out, what if people like her had focused on Gore's policy statements vis a vis Bush's in 2000 instead of his wardrobe?
So, less annoying because less oblivious to the danger we're in now. But she'll be there diverting attention from real issues in 2006, muddying the water as people try to focus on what matters.
We're still in the Advent period for Fitzmas. I think we're on the last candle of the Advent wreath, though.
The NY Times is done, ruined and fucked.
Harriet Pulls Out?
Thers, half-asleep, opines that someone has nude pics.
Why thank you NYMary.
So my question, as ever is what next. W and Andy Card are off conferring on what to do when the indictments are handed down, and who will replace whom. I guess our government just stops for awhile? May be a good thing.
Next question. Which newspaper will take over as the "the paper of record" now that the Times has been so completely discredited. If they fire Judy and Keller and bring in a real editor the Times might climb back out of the muck, but I'm not holding my breath. The fundies have basically won this round.
Ms. Dowd has been as much an enabler of G. W. Bush and company as Ms. Miller ever was.
Yes, I was going to mention glass houses and stones. The elephant was standing right there in front of them, but they chose to ignore it.
Wven with the Plame affair, they all know the truth, but until someone or lots of someones are slapped by THE LAW, they will continue to feign ignorance.
No, Dowd still hasn't gotten the point. She's still writing personality-focused pieces, chock full of fake psychological insights with the theme that character is destiny. Nothing on policy.
That's her niche. Kruggy's role is to deal with policy. Come on, you can't expect everybody to be the same.
Thers, half-asleep, opines that someone has nude pics.
Publishing those could destroy the Republic. Good lord, we'd all go blind.
I hope pie has plenty of popcorn on hand.
You should see my popcorn cellar!
NTodd the Jeanass
I dare not ask where that came from.
larry birnbaum:
You're right.
MoDo certainly has the talent to couple adjectives and nouns in smart, smarmy and amusing ways and she can skewer a fraud or a fop as well as anyone.
But unlike her colleagues, Krugman, Herbert and Rich, her analysis is only personality deep and rarely plumbs the gross ignorance and outrageous egos of the policy-makers.
Buy Popcorn futures~!
I guess our government just stops for awhile? May be a good thing.
As I noted below, we as a nation could use a time out.
NTodd the Jeanass
I dare not ask where that came from.
Flowers for Algernon. In the open thread, clavin asked if I were fucking retarded. Of course I'm not: I'm a jeanass.
NTodd the Jeanass
I dare not ask where that came from.
I was hoping it meant he was wearing pants.
And NTodd, Rosie seems to have gotten hold of the ultrasound pics, so now I have to clean the whole house to find them. But I'll post them when I have them.
oh please. Whoreen going off on Ahmad's mistress, well if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, what is.
Whoreen Dowd lied any lie to elect Bush and she STILL lies any lie about the Clintons and Al Gore. Who does she think she is to lecture Ahmad's mistress?
I really don't know which one of these cheap two bit whores did more damage to the Screw York Times.
As I noted below, we as a nation could use a time out.
Soul-searching and confession are definitely in order.
Rosie seems to have gotten hold of the ultrasound pics, so now I have to clean the whole house to find them.
Check in the basket where all those phones and other toys are. That's where she hid my car keys.
unlike her colleagues, Krugman, Herbert and Rich, her analysis is only personality deep
And when you have leaders who are only as deep as their personalities, sometime's that's what's needed.
I'm not wearing pants. I'm still in bed!
I'm no great fan of MoDo but she really bit the hand with this one.
Fine, but if she's going to give Judy a lecture, I think she might at least acknowledge (if not actually apologize for) her own culpability for the mess we're in. Obviously I am not suggesting one should blame her for the invasion of Iraq -- but in general, her own political writing has long been shallow and self-absorbed, and her coverage of Campaign 2000, in particular, was utterly disgusting.
By all means people can and maybe should enjoy her put-down of Judy Miller. Maybe in her next column she'll do us all another favor and analyze her own work.
Love,
Of course I'm not: I'm a jeanass.
Hahahaha!!
Yes, you are. (That was a great book/movie, too.)
Keller, editor of the NYTimes did his mea culpa yesterday and said he "should have known" that Miller had become a WH pet pup reporter (my words, not his) and propaganda tool.
So when is he going to fire the bitch?
Shorter MoDo:
"Judy, you ignorant slut..."
I never liked Dowd. Gilliard trots out the stereotype if the Irish woman: charming, loyal and tough. Wooo - catfight! Watch those Irish broads pull hair and wreck the saloon.
Dowd is not charming, not loyal and certainly not tough. You know why she wrote this column about Miller? It's because Miller forced Dowd out of her chair at a DC briefing.
So maybe Gilliard is right. Dowd nourished that grudge for these many years and used it against Miller.
So when is he going to fire the bitch?
Why would she want to stay where she's not welcome? Of course, she could always work at home. Maybe even put up a red light over the door.
Will Judy Miller become the Mike Brown of the NYTimes?
Brown continues to receive paychecks from FEMA even though he disgraced that agency and brought it to near ruin.
Judy has done the same for the NYTimes and yet continues on the payroll!
The message is clear: If you fuck up on behalf of Bushboy or the Goopers, you can't be fired. It's another version of IOKIAR.
Miller has several screws loose and the editorial crew avoided intervention. Now they're paying an major price. I've seen similar situations.
Lesson: Deal with your looney loose cannons before they trash the place.
Judy said last week that she used to wait for the days-old NYT paper in the jail to see if there was a story about her and usually was disappointed for not finding any.
Well, today Judy would be so happy!!! .
I didn't know this was possible. My contempt for Miller, Dowd, and the Times is deeper than ever.
MORE FAKE MIDDLE EAST NEWS ON THE FRONT PAGES OF THE NYT AND WAPO AND WSJ AGAIN TODAY
All three papers (the WSJ now has a Saturday paper--since Sept.) have the story of possible Syrian involvement in the Valentine's Day 2005 killing of Lebanese leader Hariri on their front pages today.
It wasn't such a hot issue--except for the Independent's Robert Fiske when it happened 8 months ago--I had to look all over for the details then.
Now it's a HOT ISSUE, because these papers would like it to be, today.
NOTE that the photos on the front of the NYT and WAPO are almost the same--the same YOUNG and trendy protesters, all looking as attractive as fashion models are in both. Guess the older folks had already been there for the Early-Bird-Protest and left again.
The NYT photo, by Agence France Presse, was obviously taken a few minutes, or even seconds, before or after the WAPO photo attributed to the AP. The WAPO photo is simply a closer-up shot of the central grouping of the people in the NYT photo. The very attractive blonde on the right side of the WAPO photo appears at the very right margin of the NYT photo, where only her hair and half of one eye can be seen.
In the NYT photo, there are also placards that cannot be seen in the WAPO close-up--not clear if they're there at all.
Were these staged photos? Both could clearly have even been taken by the same camera, unless they were lifted from the same video footage.
Why are they and this story on front pages today?
We find also that the WAPO hot story--Syria Feels Heat--is attributed to Anthony Shadid in Damascus, while the NYT eliminates the middle-person, and has its top story--Bush Pushes UN to Move Swiftly on Syria Report--by Warren Hoge, United Nations (New York City)--though it is right beside the photo of attractively irate young Lebanese protesters back in Beirut somewhere.
The WSJ story--Harsh Report from UN Puts Pressure on Syria, is by Bill Spindle (heard of him much?) in Damascus.
The WSJ has only a cheesy gray line drawing of Bashar Assad, though, and at least has the "good" taste, or even sense of irony, to have a pic-cartoon of the money-grubbing witch in "Wicked," that may possibly be intended to symbolize Judith Miller somehow, right next to the Spindle story.
Who needs Judith Miller to fake the news, though, when you have a much larger staff to do the same thing, probably at cheaper rates?
Modo's hot.
You know why she wrote this column about Miller? It's because Miller forced Dowd out of her chair at a DC briefing.
I think that's probably just one illustration of several things that have pissed Dowd off about Queen Judy.
Washington Times will hire Judy.
That or the Jerusalem Post.
Maybe there'll be a bidding war.
Maureen Dowd!?!? Is she still around/relevant? I haven's seen anything from her in weeks. Didn't the NYTimes muzzle her and the others?
PLEASE NOTE THIS RE HARIRI STORY AS WELL
Der Spiegel, in Germany, revealed in an investigative piece today, that a central witness in UN-Hariri report is a convicted fraudster - who not only has been convicted several times for embezzlement and fraud (a la Chalabi), Zuheir Mohammed al-Siddiq received a large sum of money for his testimony from an unknown third party. Reportedly he called his brothers from Paris saying; "Now I'm a millionaire".
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...10/22/91846/
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Arabella,
Your point being?
It's no sterotype, believe me. I've seen enough 9/11 press coferences to prove otherwise. All those Firefighter widows hammering people. Forget my personal experiences.
Dowd IS loyal, at least to her bosses and her coworkers, and that brutal column is proof. And it took balls to hand that column in, knowing it was a kick in the ass. A lot of people would have passed or toned it down. No, MoDo is plenty tough or she'd be teaching English at Georgetown.
Dowd was hired to write cute about politics, Miller's supposed to be a reporter. Big difference. Dowd is actually quite brutal about Bush 43 if you read her work, and Babs hates her like few other people.
The reason I brought up the Irish thing was specifically because it was used against her in her moralizing about Clinton. Well, there's a flip side to that, and Judy Miller just ran into it.
And you bet the biggest mistake of Judy Miller's life was to ask her to hand over that seat. Dowd neither forgave or forgot that insult.
My sincere thanks to NYMary & Spork Incident for helping to keep us poor folk in the know.
Dear Mr. Gilliard:
Your "post" as they call these messages, points to the amusing naivete of the left from which we derive such benefit. Ms. Down has written her column now, a good three or four years after it needed to be written. Had she, and others of course; she is by no means alone in her inactivity, written such columns several years ago it might have mattered. That was when we needed Ms. Miller. Ms. Dowd did nothing to diminish her utility to us. Now we are trying to make Ms. Miller seem as unreliable and evil as possible because at this point in time, that is what best suits our needs. I thank Ms. Dowd, and for that matter, Mr. Keller for their assitance both time.
Dick
PS: As to your comment about "Babs" hating Mrs. Dowd, you say that as if it meant something. "Babs" probably hates everyone, herself included (wouldn't you?). As President Nixon said of her, "There's a woman who knows how to hate". Being hated by her is not a particular mark of pride for being an agressive columnist, but rather more like getting wet while standing in the rain.
MoDo gets out her steely knives.
Pretty nice takedown of Judy Judy Judy.
Oh you're so droll, modo. By the way, how is Al Gore's wardrobe these days? Oh you vacuous cunt.
Insomnia at 3AM-I read that 10-megaton bitchslap and cheered. You go MoDO! I have always suspected that Judy and Scooter were doing the horizontal mambo!
what does mrs. scooter libby look like? isn't it freaky when the mistress looks just like the wife?
Longview: MORE FAKE MIDDLE EAST NEWS ON THE FRONT PAGES OF THE NYT AND WAPO AND WSJ AGAIN TODAY
Transparent, aren't they?
Once one sees what they're up to.
Love,
Never liked MoDo, but I'm glad she pummeled Judy^3
I'd like to see Fitz put all the Kewl Kidz in the slammer -- surely there is a crop of hungry big time wannabees out trying to report the news who could write better & actually try tellging the truth (IIRC, someone said that at the Toledo Blade there are signs up that say, "Less News, More Truth")
... the biggest mistake of Judy Miller's life was to ask [Dowd] to hand over that seat ...
Well, perhaps not quite the biggest.
Love,
"At first she leaned against the wall near where I was sitting, but I noticed that she seemed agitated about something. Midway through the briefing, she came over and whispered to me, "I think I should be sitting in the Times seat."
It was such an outrageous move, I could only laugh. I got up and stood in the back of the room, while Judy claimed what she felt was her rightful power perch."
But of course! Age before beauty, my dear!
Miller's world is largely without consequences. Her stepson plagiarized a NOVEL by that obscure author Martin Amis; he remains employed, writing, and it's bad form to bring it up.
And so will she. A bad few quarters of an hour and she'll start writing books, sharing the best seller list with video vixens and suchlike.
I don't see the point of slamming people *after they've done something right.* Yes - it would have been better if people came out earlier attacking Bush and his enablers. There are going to be a lot of folks abandoning the SS Bush. I'd rather welcome them than demand that they grovel and admit their sins before bringing them on board.
Whatever Dowd has done in the past, she did something today that was necessary and, quite frankly, brave.
It's appropriate to acknowledge that instead of being obnoxious about her past sins.
Dowd = op-ed columnist.
Columnists are specifically hired NOT to be impartial. They are GIVEN license and latitude, their quirks and subjectivity is encouraged, the more people they make mad, the better.
Miller = news reporter. They are hired to be objective and insightful and trustworthy. They are hired to observe and present facts and information.
Editors are hired to know the difference.
Frist the Astroles!
Frist TimesSelect!
And Frist MoDo the Ho and Germy Judy. Both o' 'em wood put their time to better use by Xeroxin' their butts on the office copyin' machine. I might just pay for TimesSelect to see that. On further thought, maybe I woodn't.
Look here, right from the MoDo column, proof she reads the posts here by the host-
"...Judy admitted in the story that she "got it totally wrong" about W.M.D. "If your sources are wrong," she said, "you are wrong." But investigative reporting is not stenography..."
MoDo - October 22, 2005
Don't mess with the redheads. Trust me on this one. 
Dear Marc:
I surprise myself with my generousity in explaining things to all of you liberals. But Dowds column, much like Kellers is nothing more than speaking ill of the dead. When it mattered for your side, they didn't deliver. Period, bottom line or however you liberals might express it. Dowd is there for US. Then and now. All she is doing now is making it look like she isn't and perhap lashing out at an old enemy that she feared before everyone else in the media finished pummeling her into submission. Kicking dogs when they are down is fun but it isn't brave or useful. Trust me, I know, I do it a lot.
Regards,
Dick
Marc: I'd rather welcome them than demand that they grovel and admit their sins before bringing them on board.
By all means, write to her welcoming her as warmly as you see fit.
Me, I will wait to see if she warrants a welcome.
Whatever Dowd has done in the past, she did something today that was necessary and, quite frankly, brave.
How "brave" is it to knock Miller when even the Executive Editor is doing it? "Brave" would have been to speak out against her earlier, when she still had all her patrons in line.
lavalamp: Columnists are specifically hired NOT to be impartial. They are GIVEN license and latitude, their quirks and subjectivity is encouraged, the more people they make mad, the better.
You bet. Keller and company (and readers, too) can give Dowd all the latitude they wish. Me, I find her work (not to say, her way of thinking) execrable. In short: I know she's a columnist; I just happen to think she's a terrible one.
Love,
Rrrreeooooww! The heck with Times Select, but I would pay $50 to see that cat fight.
Free link:
http://tinyurl.com/dx4yf
Dowd is a petty, small woman who uses her intellect to whip up confectionary columns week on week. So brave of her to go after Miller now that she's been kicked out.
She doesn't seem to get how the joke is on her, at least since she wrote a column about how Kerry dressed and did his hair not a week after Krugman challenged his peers not to do that.
If I were a woman, I'd be really pissed at the times for having the likes of Miller and Dowd as among the few representing my gender at that paper.
Arabella writes:
>>The NY Times refers to the internets as "the Web." Is this a "current usage" or is it another pompous NY Times-ism?
This is current usage... the "Web" with a capital "W". (how apropos)
The NYT is, surprisingly, accurate in its usage.
cfg (IBMer)
nice to see Maureen Dowd wrench her chair back from Judy Miller while spitting in her face but it wont change MoDo from being dreadful when it comes to the columnist craft and a coward when it comes to confronting a solid issue with an actual opinion. Sultzman and Keller are merely handing Maureen a tazer while exposing Miller's neck while she's handcuffed and assuring her cruelty can be not only rewarding but a whole lot of fun
Dowd is nothing so much as a barometer of where the top editorial brass is on an issue. Miller is, at long last, being held out to dry. She's finished. Now off to write her 1.2 million dollar book.
Too little. Too late. Miller lied. People died.
God, contemplate the combined works of Miller and Modo and you think, Christ, what a fucking piece of fish wrapper that fucking paper.
I honestly don't understand, why, through Clinton, through Miller's WMD reporting, through Jayson Blair and now through Plamegate, no one calls for a boycott.
Sheesh, there is not a single essential thing about the Times. Why don't people just stop buying it?
I have stopped buying it, and I don't understand people who continue to froth at the mouth about their reporting while clearly reading (and paying for) every word of it.
It's a newspaper folks, it's not any better than a lot of others, except for the writing (and certainly not for the factual reporting). At least the New York Post doesn't pretend to be something its not.
I get my dose of Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd and any other column of interest from the blogs and their links. The only thing you really miss is the Sunday Crossword Puzzle.
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