I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Judy Miller was cancelled.
Wow. Close to the top.
Judy Miller is a White House Ho; literally.
If I was Judy Miller (and I'm glad I'm not), I would keep my mouth shut. But, as MoDo said this morning, she can't.
Ahhh. Consistent bullshit from the bullshitters. Me thinks thou are asking too much now.
Is thee ANYONE who believes ANYTHING judyjudyjudy says anymore? The gig is up beeeeatch. MoDo changed the locks and you ain't getting a new key.
Judy, quit acting as if you can hang on to anything resembling credibility. You can't.
If I was Judy Miller (and I'm glad I'm not), I would keep my mouth shut. But, as MoDo said this morning, she can't.
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I don't think it's just her mouth that needsw to be kept shut. I think she's the worlds first carrier of the Chalabi-Bolton Herpes strain.
Judith doesn't appear to be happy that she's being thrown off the boat by the Times
No; propagandistic bullshit needs to be inconsistent -- runny when it staqrts, and rock-hard when it ends.
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anything less than Miller's dismissal after a Times acknowledgement that they allowed her to be a shameless self-promoting shill sycophant starry-eyed acolyte of Bush, and his unconscionable skein of lies to bring our great nation into a nonsensical unwinnable war...cannot be tolerated.
The Judy doth protest too much, methinks.
Hey Gary! Any kind words for our Marines in Falluja today?
How very odd that she would presume "entanglement" to refer to a sexual relationship.
Yes, how very odd.
Ha Ha! She said, 'target'.
Get any 'target' letters lately, JJJJudy?
Jeffraham--you make propaganda sound like an intestinal ailment, which is actually quite a good metaphor.
If the NYT needs a replacement for an ignorant shill to power, then Puppert might be available, once he's finished stacking shelves.
Toons--fog and clouds in October? This is so wrong.
First Maureen Dowd takes on Judy Miller. Now they have Kit Seelye on stage. Can Jeff Gerth and Frank Bruni be far behind?
Hypocrites.
Love,
1994 Americans now confirmed dead in Iraq. The indictments, and the 2,000th poor young man who died for Cheney's folly will occur about the same time.
"I was unaware that there was a deliberate, concerted disinformation campaign to discredit Wilson and that if there had been, I did not think I was a target of it."
Let's take Judy's statement apart, shall we? How could she have any idea whether or not she was a patsy in a disinformation campaign if, as she asserts, she was oblivious to the existence of one? By definition if you don't know about disinformation you are being taken in by it. We know it existed, and she was involved. Either she was a willing player or she was a sucker.
This statement is like a petty criminal saying, "I didn't kill anyone and if I did it was in self-defense." What a twit.
I love MoDo's article today, although I truly do wish she had taken the bitch and her paper to task last year or the year before. I know, I know, she felt some strange professional courtesy to both of them, but she owed her loyalty to all of us and not them. MoDo's loyalty to them (Kell, Pinch & Doody) should have ended when they decided to be a propagandist machine and puppet for a chosen few.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--you make propaganda sound like an intestinal ailment, which is actually quite a good metaphor.
It's a shitty job, but someone's gotta do it (with sincere apologies to Fishbone). 
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Judith doesn't appear to be happy that she's being thrown off the boat by the Times.
Man, she frickin' JUMPED off the boat. They're just not circling back again to pick up her sorry ass.
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heehee, the Prussian Blue story I linked to this a.m. has caused a stir. I'm so proud. NTodd even gave me credit! hee hee.
Next question, I haven't been able to get on to my blog for days now. Will one of you nice people just click my homepage and see if you can.
Thank you kindly.
She wrote that as she had said in an account in The Times last Sunday, she had discussed Mr. Wilson and his wife with government officials, but "I was unaware that there was a deliberate, concerted disinformation campaign to discredit Wilson and that if there had been, I did not think I was a target of it."
Translation:
1) I am an idiot or
2) I am a liar
I'm confused -- do we have a good Live Free or Die here now? 'Cause the last one I remember was a bit trollish.
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Miers going down
The White House has begun making contingency plans for the withdrawal of Harriet Miers as President Bush's choice to fill a seat on the Supreme Court, conservative sources said yesterday. "White House senior staff are starting to ask outside people, saying, 'We're not discussing pulling out her nomination, but if we were to, do you have any advice as to how we should do it?' "a Conservative Republican with ties to the White House told The Washington Times.
The White House denied making such calls. "Absolutely not true," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said.
But the conservative political consultant said that he had received such a query from Sara Taylor, director of the Office of White House Political Affairs.
Miss Taylor denied making any such calls.
ql in ny--
I tried the lik to your page, got a big blank. Sorry.
1994 Americans now confirmed dead in Iraq. The indictments, and the 2,000th poor young man who died for Cheney's folly will occur about the same time.
trifecta
The zombie public and the whore media won't stir themselves until the body count reaches 10,000.
Btw, OT: If Karin is still around, I'd love to have your comments on the bloggie. May I suggest "KarinTheAtriot" as a handle...?
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ql in ny--
I tried the lik to your page, got a big blank. Sorry.
Same here. 
I'm confused -- do we have a good Live Free or Die here now? 'Cause the last one I remember was a bit trollish.
Jeff,
I left my desk for a few seconds and a wingnutv coworker jump on my terminal and got me banned. He still thinks that there are nukes in Iraq. He is part of the 36% that still likes W.
Me thinks judyx3 doth protest too much. Funny how her mind works and how she gets hung up on the word "entanglement" as she felt it somehow conveyed more than Keller probably originally insinuated.
Does judyx3 still retain a lawyer for the case, because even if she is too stupid to shut up on her own, any lawyer of hers should demand she stfu!
Next question, I haven't been able to get on to my blog for days now. Will one of you nice people just click my homepage and see if you can.
ql in ny,
I'm able to find the website, as there is no 404 error. But there is no HTML between the BODY tags.
Scooter, I missed you soooo much! Let's just scoot over to this little conference room to discuss - ah, ah, ohhhhh!
Why can't we tape these rooms like they did in the Nixon times? Gawd!
Amy Gross on Tweety with Hellanie Morgan last night said a large protest is planned to coincide with the 2000th American war death. Let's hope.
fog and clouds in October? This is so wrong.
Sallyh -- I know you like sun, but this is my kind of weather.
Dearest Judy Miller:
No BUBBLE-BLOWING BABIES ALLOWED!
STFU and go back to writing your crappy, truth-challenged book that nobody will ever read.
My best to all!
Dr. Evil
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HaHa The webmaster is a wanker.
He thinks he can censor me but every attempt is futile.
and JUDY^3 is a lifelong Democrat and charter member of the ex-democrats known as Neocons.
Yes the Democratic party is responsible for launching that movement of Quislings
who owe their main allegiance to the Zionist entity.
U of Chicago and Professor Leo Strauss
and his students launched the Neocon philosophy which found its early roots in the Democratic party
The Tampon of Freedom is just trying to get fewer people to testify against her at the Palme / Wilson civil trial.
You don't think Palme / Wilson will let Ms. Miller's good work go unrewarded, do you?
Live Free or Die: I left my desk for a few seconds and a wingnutv coworker jump on my terminal and got me banned. He still thinks that there are nukes in Iraq. He is part of the 36% that still likes W.
Ah -- thank you for the enlightenment. Most companies I've worked for/with have very strict IT policies against such things... however, posting to a political blog from work might put you in a pickle, as well. Still, it might be useful to point out a line or two of policy to your wingnut cow-orker. Sounds dumb enough to fall for it, anyway. 
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Judith Miller wasn't 'entangled' with Scooter Libby, she was 'intertwined' with him.
OT: Has anyone heard from or about Walter Neff?
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monica_nyc: OT: Has anyone heard from or about Walter Neff?
He's been spotted earlier this week on other forums, if not here.
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There's no hope...if 9/11 and the Katrina "response" didn't make us all rise up as one and remove these walking dead, I don't see what will.
Has anyone noticed this week's Friday night surprise?
New nominee for deputy attorney general:
President Bush will nominate U.S. Attorney Paul J. McNulty of Alexandria to become the next deputy attorney general, the White House announced yesterday, replacing an earlier candidate who dropped out amid growing opposition from Senate Democrats.
McNulty, 47, has presided over a dramatic expansion of the U.S. attorney's office in Alexandria, which has become the central legal front in the Bush administration's anti-terrorism strategy. ...
McNulty has overseen the busy U.S. attorney's office in Alexandria for four years and has deep ties in Washington's GOP circles. He was chief counsel and spokesman for House Judiciary Committee Republicans during impeachment proceedings against President Bill Clinton, headed the Bush transition team at the Justice Department and prepared former attorney general John D. Ashcroft for his bruising Senate confirmation hearings in 2001.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5102101992.html
Doesn't the deputy oversee Fitzgerald?
Max Planck: I'm able to find the website, as there is no 404 error. But there is no HTML between the BODY tags.
That usually means the database has an issue, or is not communicating with the webserver.
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Quit yer belly-aching. Dontcha know Freedom Is On The March because of Judy.
I'm ready for my close-up now, Mr. Fitzgerald.
fy, I got the ky, hold on cutie pie, I'm your sugar guy.
Judith Miller wasn't 'entangled' with Scooter Libby, she was 'intertwined' with him.
They call it the "Turning Aspen" position.
Ah -- thank you for the enlightenment. Most companies I've worked for/with have very strict IT policies against such things... however, posting to a political blog from work might put you in a pickle, as well. Still, it might be useful to point out a line or two of policy to your wingnut cow-orker. Sounds dumb enough to fall for it, anyway.
As a consultant, I am somewhat immune to this policy since I travel around alot. He is not such a bad guy, just immune to logic.
FlipYrWhig: They call it the "Turning Aspen" position.
HAW! Another check.
"Turning Aspen, Crouching Chalabi."
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ontcha know Freedom Is On The March because of Judy.
Unfortunately, it looks like it's marching out of town!
ontcha know Freedom Is On The March because of Judy.
Unfortunately, it looks like it's marching out of town!
My take on Miller's "updating Libby" claim here
Judith Miller wasn't 'entangled' with Scooter Libby, she was 'intertwined' with him.
They call it the "Turning Aspen" position.
It's true, and it prepares the mind quite well for the Turning Ass in the Pen position that comes later.
"I was unaware that there was a deliberate, concerted disinformation campaign to discredit Wilson and that if there had been, I did not think I was a target of it."
Translation-"If I knew it was a deliberate smear campaign Bob Novak wouldn't have scooped me. So there!"
First Maureen Dowd takes on Judy Miller. Now they have Kit Seelye on stage. Can Jeff Gerth and Frank Bruni be far behind?
Hypocrites.
Love,
Cervantes | Email | 10.22.05 - 1:08 pm | #
Word, Cervantes.
The NYT is only doing this because they're being forced to do so by Fitzgerald. They're certainly not apologizing for being BushCo's cheerleaders in the run-up to the invasions. And that was where Judy the zampolit did her worst harm.
Look at the two cases, Blair's and Miller's, where the Times did the mea culpa thing.
Then look at the lies Jeff Gerth pumped out for a decade about the Clintons and Wen Ho Lee.
The difference is that Gerth is still employed with the Times -- because the other media organs are, like the Times, flatly refusing to admit that they were wrong to follow the RNC's talking points.
Judy needs a nice dose of "Brain Salad Surgery."
I await the smear campaign against McNulty
Y'all seen Fitz's Special Counsel web site yet?
It's a blast digging through the bits and pieces in the Legal Proceedings page. Love how he puts all of Judy Miller's assertions about why she didn't need to go to jail in quotation marks.
Live Free or Die: As a consultant, I am somewhat immune to this policy since I travel around alot. He is not such a bad guy, just immune to logic.
I always got in the habit of locking my 'puter any time I got up and walked away from it for more than 30 secs. or more than 10 ft. I still do it -- it drives my trainee peers crazy at the new place, 'cause we're always having to share PCs, and they get pissed that they actually have to log in before they can take their assessments.
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Why haven't they fired Judy?
They should have fired her as of days ago.
If they don't fire her, then the NYT is totally in league with the NeoCons and WHIG, because otherwise I see no fucking reason to keep her on.
Fire Judith Miller stat, or fold up your printing presses and go away, NYT.
...could we at least have a little consistency in our bullshit?
Yes, no lumps, please! I hate lumpy bullshit...
Judy needs a nice dose of "Brain Salad Surgery."
Judy needs a nice dose of "Brain Salad Surgery."
Or tossed salad with Libby
Dontcha know Freedom Is On The March because of Judy.
Freedom is on 10th Avenue turning tricks for it's next hit of crack because of Judy.
New nominee for deputy attorney general
This is a position they've been trying to fill for some time. They have a new nominee because the previous nominee pulled out before the senators got to question him. The last guy had links to everyone's favorite Republican crook, Jack Abramoff, that he didn't want to talk about...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9621848
Then what was up with that creepy "Dear Judy" letter where Scooter wrote about how the "Aspens turn in clusters because their roots connect them"?
Anybody look at this AP story on Meiers?
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/supr...s/
supreme_court
It appears she gave a wrong answer on her questionnaire that a first-year law student should have gotten right. Ouch!
It think that everybody concerned now has a good excuse to sweep her under the rug. Next!
Why haven't they fired Judy?
Personally, I think Keller wants to see her trap herself further in the oozing amber of her own bullshit, let Frank rich have a good whack at her, and watch her twist slowly in the wind a bit more.
Man, she frickin' JUMPED off the boat. They're just not circling back again to pick up her sorry ass.
plantsman
Excellent. Looks like they're going to throw her an anchor, though. Inscribed with "Good luck in your future career endeavors".
"...replacing an earlier candidate who dropped out amid growing opposition from Senate Democrats."
--from post by ivory bill
What???? "...growing opposition from Senate Democrats."
Does that mean Democrats can actually have some sway?
From TweetyBlog:
But if lying us into war is a crime, we would have to have a second look at that FDR memorial on the trail to Haynes Point.
Now Tweety's dissing FDR and the entire Greatest Generation. Will he turn on his hero, Old Winny, next?
Toons--we've got weather to please everyone in the Valley
ivory bill: Doesn't the deputy oversee Fitzgerald?
According to the rules, no.
But when have these jerks paid the slightest attention to the rules?
Love,
Methinks the NYT sees a big lawsuit coming from Miss Miller if they directly fire her. Better to let Atilla the MoDo chop her to pieces.
The Miers nomination is such a stinkpool now, it seems she's set herself adrift on "Shit Creek" sans paddle.
McNulty is in charge of the AIPAC case, which will heat up in Jan. when Franklin testifies against Rosen and Weissman.
Even moving him to Dep. Atty Gen isn't going to stop that case.
And IIRC, he would only be supervising Fitzgerald on his Illinois cases. Comey gave Fitz the authority of the Atty Gen for the CIA leak case.
It's easy to become friends with people when you talk to them every fucking day, and slip from hey, how's the family into dangerous territory. I can't recall ever calling one of my sources (none of whom were even remotely close to Miller's level, we're talking town councilmen and the like) up just to chat about my latest assignment, not if it didn't involve them or I didn't need them for some other purpose.
I've seen a lot of good reporters go down this road and be hurt, either because a romantic relationship developed and they lost their jobs, or a friendship developed that they then had to ruin with a story. Or didn't ruin, and hurt the paper they worked for because they held back on something that made their buds look bad.
It is difficult, because if you're sweet to people they'll tell you things, but you have to know you're doing it for information and never for your own enjoyment, and also know when to back off a little. It's a dance, and it's easy to step over the line. I had a j-prof in college who while he was in the business had ended up romantically invovled with one of his sources and it was awful.
What I keep coming across here in this Judy story is a person without a boss. That's why your editors are there, for chrissakes, to tell you when your judgment's impaired, when you're going off the rails, when you're talking out your ass and need to ask somebody on the other side of the story another question or two. The real issue here isn't Judy, it's her mentally absent editor.
A.
Laywers are scumbags.
So Fitz has no Justice Dept. supervisor? I thought Comey did that when he was there.
Now Tweety's dissing FDR and the entire Greatest Generation. Will he turn on his hero, Old Winny, next?
If you look close Limey, said post was written by Pat Buchanan-- and we all know what a logical soul he is.
ql in ny, I got to your blog easily.
Why haven't they fired Judy?
Direct your inquiries to...
Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr.
Chairman,The New York Times Company
Publisher,The New York Times
http://www.nytco.com/company-
exe...sulzberger.html
If it says Libby Libby Libby
On the label label label
There are tasty tasty tasty
Indictments on the table!
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Live Free or Die, I apologize for picking further at the scab of your handle being hijacked by a troll, but I'm curious:
Was it the impostor who preached from the Bill Cosby bandwagon, i.e. all of that stale refried Booker T. Washington bootstrap doctrine/rhetoric ascribing African-American socioeconomic oppression to lazy and shiftless black men who can't or won't remedy their situation by Hard Work and Industriousness?
If it was the real you, so be it-- but I hadn't noticed it before the Katrina catastrophe. 
"There is no question from private remarks and public grimaces, some reaching back to early 2001, neither Powell nor Armitage had or has much trust or respect for Rice, and they share with other senior Republican wisemen the conviction that Rumsfeld is quite literally mad, and Cheney a dangerous, vindictive monomaniac."
The Miers nomination is such a stinkpool now, it seems she's set herself adrift on "Shit Creek" sans paddle.
plantsman
One would certainly think so.
If I were Jeff Gerth I would be nervous. Really nervos.
According to this memo, Fitz's boss is David Margolis Associate Deputy AG. Or maybe he's been promoted to Deputy AG.
If you look close Limey, said post was written by Pat Buchanan-- and we all know what a logical soul he is.
plantsman
Shit! And I thought I had trapped Tweety.
plantsman, I'm sure there will be some sort of protest in Portland. Cindy Sheehan was on Randi yesterday and will chain herself to the WH fence when the 2000th US soldier dies. She encourages people to do the same at their federal buildings around the country. If I were retired I'd do it. Instead, I'll likely be in front of the federal building at noon the day Cindy does this.
Please wait at least 20 seconds between posts (another 0 second(s)).
Fuckin' haloscan.
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If you look close Limey, said post was written by Pat Buchanan-- and we all know what a logical soul he is
I thought Buchanan was against the Iraq War.
Afternoon, fellow moonbats and liberfucks.
In honor of Merkin Patriot's birthday, I bring you Merkin-a-Go-Go (NSFW, but who among you is at work?)
Merkin No. 1.
Merkin No. 2.
Merkin No. 3.
(Definitely check out the designs and the "history" on no. 3.)
Judy's just digging herself deeper, in the process revealing how she parsed the question in order not to answer it to begin with . . .
. . .If we had lanced the WMD boil earlier, we might have damped any suspicion that THIS time, the paper was putting the defense of a reporter above the duty to its readers. . .
- from Bill Keller's letter to NYT staff
Bill called JuJu a boil. Perhaps that is why she is a feeling a little sensitive today over his comments to her former co-workers.
Fitz has two jobs right now. He's the US Attorney for Northern IL, AND he's the Special Prosecutor for the CIA leak investigation.
Comey was his boss and if McNulty is confirmed, he will be PF's boss.
I get the impression PF doesn't need to ask anyone's permission for anything related to the CIA leak. Any lawyers here that can help me out with this? Isn't that what the term "plenary" means?
Doesn't the deputy oversee Fitzgerald?
ivory bill
Normally, perhaps, but I think this may well be a reason why Fitzgerald put up his website this week (y'all know the URL). He started out with ALL of the PDFs of his letters of authority and automomy.
His ass was thoroughly covered before Corney(?) resigned.
From TweetyBlog:
But if lying us into war is a crime, we would have to have a second look at that FDR memorial on the trail to Haynes Point.
Tweety needs to read how he felt about Clinton lying:
THE LYING OFFENDS THEM. For both politicians and journalists, trust is the coin of the realm. Without trust, the system breaks down.
"We have our own set of village rules," says David Gergen, editor at large at U.S. News & World Report, who worked for both the Reagan and Clinton White House. "Sex did not violate those rules. The deep and searing violation took place when he not only lied to the country, but co-opted his friends and lied to them. That is one on which people choke.
. . . "[S]ays Chris Matthews, who once was a top aide to the late Speaker of the House Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill . . . "[t]here has to be a functional trust by reporters of the person they're covering. Clinton lies knowing that you know he's lying. It's brutal and it subjugates the person who's being lied to. I resent deeply being constantly lied to."
. . . "His behavior," says Lieberman, "is so over the edge. What is troubling is the deceit, the failure to own up to it. Before this is over the truth must be told."
. . . "The judgment is harsher in Washington," says The Post's Broder. "We don't like being lied to."
Fucking Tweety doesn't know how to spell Hains Point. What a dumbfuck. He's a journalist, for fuck's sake. SPELL, MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!
Interesting question posed on the poynter media news site:
From STEVE FRIESS: Just wondering, as I stare at Tom Delay's mugshot appearing across the Internet, why we've not seen Judy Miller's mugshot? Anybody know?
ivory bill: So Fitz has no Justice Dept. supervisor? I thought Comey did that when he was there.
Look here for some relevant discussion.
Love,
P O'Neill: From STEVE FRIESS: Just wondering, as I stare at Tom Delay's mugshot appearing across the Internet, why we've not seen Judy Miller's mugshot? Anybody know?
It broke the camera.
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And does Tweety care to elaborate on what he's suggesting about FDR "lying" us into war?
FDR didn't make shit up. George W. Bush's White House did.
(I did not say this already)
(a second time)
(third time is the charm?)
Athenae sez:
The real issue here isn't Judy, it's her mentally absent editor.
Yes.
But let's not leave out Sulzberger.
As I've written before, The NYT won't regain it's reputation until Sulzberger, Keller, and Abramson are gone.
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. . . "The judgment is harsher in Washington," says The Post's Broder. "We don't like being lied to."
Live Free or Die
Yeah, the Dean was never lied to before. The fuckhead lives in a world of his own.
Was it the impostor who preached from the Bill Cosby bandwagon, i.e. all of that stale refried Booker T. Washington bootstrap doctrine/rhetoric ascribing African-American socioeconomic oppression to lazy and shiftless black men who can't or won't remedy their situation by Hard Work and Industriousness?
I did not say it exatly in that way, but I do belive that welfare in most cases is counterproductive, that it waste the taxpayers money and that people should not have children unless they are able to care for them without govt assistance. Healthy adults should work, even if it is digging ditches or working at McD's. They should not be dependent upon sucking money from taxpayers.
I wouldn't say Mr. Keller's statements were "seriously inaccurate."
I would say Keller's statements
were seriously inadequte.
They should have included, "I fired her."
Athenae -- I agree about the failures of the Times' editors, which seems to indicate that either these editors came up through the ranks without being taught the ethical boundaries of their profession themselves or they were explicity/implicitly told that Judy was "hands off" stuff.
But that doesn't mean I don't hold Judy accountable for her own mob princess mentality.
I do belive that welfare in most cases is counterproductive, that it waste the taxpayers money and that people should not have children unless they are able to care for them without govt assistance. Healthy adults should work, even if it is digging ditches or working at McD's. They should not be dependent upon sucking money from taxpayers.
Live Free or Die |
I think if people need it fine, but as I have posted before on these threads, I knew people who were on it for years with 3-4 generations of the same family on it.
Used to be piss me off when I was going off to work (worked since I was 17) and these people are standing around on their porches in their nightclothes drinking coffee and looking at the working people like "suckers!"
I get a little tired of my tax money supporting people who think I "owe" them!
Let me just say, before we get too far:
The word Timeswar is very, very sexy.
Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar. Timeswar.
yeah.
Athenae sez:
The real issue here isn't Judy, it's her mentally absent editor.
Indeed indeed indeed. As MoDo says, Keller admits she kept "drifting back" into covering Iraq and WMD's: whose job again was it to tell her no? The amazing thing is that he admitted that she kept "drifting back" as if it were some kind of natural process completely divorced from his own world ...
The only president who never told a lie was Honest Abe, and look what happened to him.
Judith doesn't appear to be happy that she's being thrown off the boat by the Times
Gary Ruppert
Well, duh!
C'mon, Folks--Don't roast Tweety's nuts over what Pat said. Pat's a crazy muthafucka, and we all know this. He got less than 1% of the popular vote when people liked him, so don't worry about what he says unnecessarily.
Smitty--you bad
I love this little line from Maureen Dowd's article:
"Even last April, when I wrote a column critical of Mr. Chalabi, she fired off e-mail to me defending him."
the Prussian Blue story I linked to this a.m. has caused a stir.
ql in ny:
Some people should not be allowed to breed.
The Nazi Twins and their mother come to mind.
As I've written before, The NYT won't regain it's reputation until Sulzberger, Keller, and Abramson are gone..
spork_incident |
That'll be the day, chum.
Used to be piss me off when I was going off to work (worked since I was 17) and these people are standing around on their porches in their nightclothes drinking coffee and looking at the working people like "suckers!"
I dont think these guys know any better. But I also resent that I have to work and other healthy adults dont. There are many foreigners who are happy to take a shitty job. Look at the cab drivers in NY and day laboreres in HOuston.
sporky - As I've written before, The NYT won't regain it's reputation until Sulzberger, Keller, and Abramson are gone
Absolutely. What are the chances it will happen, anyone venture a guess?
She added, "As for your reference to my 'entanglement' with Mr. Libby, I had no personal, social, or other relationship with him except as a source."
But what about the ROOTS? In Aspen, where she vacations?
But if lying us into war is a crime, we would have to have a second look at that FDR memorial on the trail to Haynes Point.
Boy, it's a good thing that the Nazis declared war on us and saved FDRs bacon.
Wingnut logic, it's still an oxymoron.
ErinPDX: thanks for the shout. It'll be so nice to see Ms. Sheehan dogging W again.
They should not be dependent upon sucking money from taxpayers.
Live Free or Die |
There goes the whole Tranny Trade.
The little Nazi Twins' mother sounds like a piece of work, fucking the entire Aryan Nation.
From the sound of it, she wouldn't hesitate to turn her daughters out as little whores if some Nazi leader wanted them.
ok people there is a new candidate in the race for 2008!
http://www.zod2008.com/
C'mon, Folks--Don't roast Tweety's nuts over what Pat said. Pat's a crazy muthafucka, and we all know this. He got less than 1% of the popular vote when people liked him, so don't worry about what he says unnecessarily.
Well Dean is going on This week. He needs to drop those quotes into the conversation and asked why the jouros are offended when clinton lies about personal problems, but make excuses for republicans when it comes to lying about nat. security. He also needs to remind them that they riddculed him when he said, Iraq did not make America safer, the Tom Delay would be indicted and Plamegate. He needs to ask why is is OKIYAR?
I'm sick of the Anglo-Saxon world. They crow about their "democracy" but London, Canberra and Washington are dominated by lying strongmen and their servants and their media mogul pals who assiduously dupe the populace.
. . .If we had lanced the WMD boil earlier, we might have damped any suspicion that THIS time, the paper was putting the defense of a reporter above the duty to its readers. . .
Rubbish. The NYT wasn't pushing WMD because it was defending Miller. It was defending Miller because it was pushing WMD.
Live Free or Die : Healthy adults should work, even if it is digging ditches or working at McD's. They should not be dependent upon sucking money from taxpayers.
Work where? What job? Who's hiring? Can anyone get there? Is child support available? Is there expense money for the first, what, two? three? four weeks until there's a paycheck? Is there free transporation? Free fucking lunch?
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat : I get a little tired of my tax money supporting people who think I "owe" them!
Trust me, there is nothing more fucking humiliating than being on the dole. Wait until you need help.
Two marines killed in Amriyah.
The solution here is to fire Krugman and that Rich fellow who supposedly covers entertainment. They could give the space to more Tom Friedman calls for Olive trees and Lexi and to arm everyone in Iraq and let them fight it out to the death.
R
What the NYT must do is ignore the gasping, unqualified, dreamily-directed, Miller-obsessed knats that corrode the internet.
The little Nazi Twins' mother sounds like a piece of work, fucking the entire Aryan Nation.
She's a ho ho ho.
I'm sick of the Anglo-Saxon world. They crow about their "democracy" but London, Canberra and Washington are dominated by lying strongmen and their servants and their media mogul pals who assiduously dupe the populace.
Nur al-Cubicle
What are you wearing?
What the NYT must do is ignore the gasping, unqualified, dreamily-directed, Miller-obsessed knats that corrode the internet.
Ethan Edwards
And what you must do is FOAD.
I'm sick of the Anglo-Saxon world. They crow about their "democracy" but London, Canberra and Washington are dominated by lying strongmen and their servants and their media mogul pals who assiduously dupe the populace.
Nur al-Cubicle - 2:02 pm
Just so.
Read somewhere that Sultzberger and Miller's friendship goes way back to the late '70's. Also that NYT/Sultz may have created a home for CIA spies going back to Iran-Contra.
London, Canberra and Washington are dominated by lying strongmen
Oh, and Riyadh, Islamabad, Tehran, Tel Aviv and Baghdad are shimmering pools of moral rectitude.
Right.
Basrah. Violent clashes between police and the Shi'ite radical group Thar Afar, supported by Iran. One dead and 14 wounded.
Yes, I freely admit I'm obsessed with Miller because I have kids who are almost draft age. She has blood on her hands Big Time.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat : I get a little tired of my tax money supporting people who think I "owe" them!
Trust me, there is nothing more fucking humiliating than being on the dole. Wait until you need help.
Meander
Read my post.
I SAID that I had NO problem with people who NEED HELP.
These people in Philly who were on it for generations had one member who was in her early 20s.
She had three kids by two different men and was pregnant again.
She came right out and said: "It's more money from welfare."
Maybe you like being leeched off - I DO not.
And, hey, I had a rough time for two years after my ex left us in 1998 and I did not go on the dole.
Oh, and Riyadh, Islamabad, Tehran, Tel Aviv and Baghdad are shimmering pools of moral rectitude.
That's news to me. I thought they were SOBs.
Work where? What job? Who's hiring? Can anyone get there? Is child support available? Is there expense money for the first, what, two? three? four weeks until there's a paycheck? Is there free transporation? Free fucking lunch?
Where I live, they are hiring at McDonalds and Taco Bell. They are also hiring at the Day Laborers. It might not be the best job but it is infinately better than living on the govt. dole.
The Times has never been anything but the house organ of the Establishment (remember that word?). The issue here is that the Establishment has rules, and the Bush Davidians BROKE ALL OF THEM.
Call me a knat, will you?
And if we don't get indictments and we don't take back one house in '06 I have to seriously consider Canada. Vancouver is one of the most beautiful and diverse cities in the world. Lots of creative folks up there.
But if lying us into war is a crime, we would have to have a second look at that FDR memorial on the trail to Haynes Point.
Tell the people who lost folks at Pearl Harbor that.
I'm sick of the Anglo-Saxon world. They crow about their "democracy" but London, Canberra and Washington are dominated by lying strongmen and their servants and their media mogul pals who assiduously dupe the populace.
yeah you know it's bad when that wall street guy on colbert the other night says shit like, "colombia and brasil, now those are good markets! the u.s. is through as a market!" well it only took several decades of idiotizing the populace but they did it. who knows, maybe the american people will begin to care about politics again... that was a joke
I hear a woodpecker nearby, but I do not see it.
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Trust me, there is nothing more fucking humiliating than being on the dole.
Meander
What about trying to wade through Eschaton posts? Wouldn't that be just as harmful to your self-respect?
And, hey, I had a rough time for two years after my ex left us in 1998 and I did not go on the dole.
Many people dont go on welfare during tough times. People should not have children if they cannot support them. 1 kid, OK that could be a mistake. 2 kids on welfare? Give me a break.
Vancouver is one of the most beautiful and diverse cities in the world. Lots of creative folks up there.
ErinPDX
Sure. Just shove out the Eskimos.
Tropism.
The word for the day.
The Times has never been anything but the house organ of the Establishment (remember that word?). The issue here is that the Establishment has rules, and the Bush Davidians BROKE ALL OF THEM.
so let's give this country back to the Establishment damnit! who's with me?!!?
Judy and Libby? I think Dowd summed it up beautifully with her renaming sweet little ol' Judy a very modern Becky Sharp. Perfectly succinct.
Trust me, there is nothing more fucking humiliating than being on the dole.
Meander
It should be humiliating. People should be encouraged to get a job ASAP.
Vancouver is one of the most beautiful and diverse cities in the world. Lots of creative folks up there.
they do blow some wicked glass up in those parts
The New York Times is not fit to wipe my ass with. If I did, it would just make me dirtier. Intellectual diarrhea from editors and writers alike, with rare exception. It should be used to line troll-cages.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat : And, hey, I had a rough time for two years after my ex left us in 1998 and I did not go on the dole.
I congratulate you for that. The rest of your argument ("Maybe you like being leeched off - I DO not.
") sounds exactly like the "welfare queen" slander that the Right has alway used (successfully) to gut any kind of social safety net for anyone, anywhere, for any reason.
What should the Democrats do?
Are their talking points ready?
I think the Democratic Party's stance should be one thing, maybe let them hang themselves, "this is between the prosecutor and the administration."
But I don't think those in Congress who voted yes to hand bush the loaded gun can get off that easy. They are complicit if they don't speak out. Hillary and the rest better get their shit together on this soon. What are they going to say, "oh my, dear georgie fooled us and we are finally finding out." That line won't fly because everyone one this board knew damned well they were fucking lying us into a war. So clinton, biden, liberass and the rest can't use that crap.
Those in Congress are different because they should be holding the president responsible for lying in the State of the Union and for lying about the evidence to invade based on their "war" resolution.
Better get your shit together you fucking "democrat" war hawks.
Tell us how you really feel about the NY Times, ronjazz...
It's a dance, and it's easy to step over the line. I had a j-prof in college who while he was in the business had ended up romantically invovled with one of his sources and it was awful.
What I wanted to say about this is that it isn't unknown for lawyers to get trapped in this kind of situation. I've known of a couple of women criminal defense lawyers who got so caught up in that world that they crossed over and became criminals because they fell for a client.
I agree, Athenae, that the heart of the matter is that Judy was unsupervised by an editor/boss. I don't understand the NYT going about its business like this. I really don't.
It should be humiliating
Fuck you.
That's all I have to say, leaving now.
The New York Times is not fit to wipe my ass with. If I did, it would just make me dirtier. Intellectual diarrhea from editors and writers alike, with rare exception. It should be used to line troll-cages.
I'd rather listen to Prussian Blue, while getting my pubes waxed, rather than read the Piece of Shit NYTimes.
Oh, and Riyadh, Islamabad, Tehran, Tel Aviv and Baghdad are shimmering pools of moral rectitude.
no there's only one of those i hear it's somewhere in caracas
Anyone up for a li'l lunch?
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Speaking of Becky Sharpe, for the sake of Joaquin Phoenix, I'm going to give Reese Witherspoon one more chance.
eco or econ: so let's give this country back to the Establishment damnit! who's with me?!!?
They're going to fight this out amongst themselves -- they are coming to the (glacially slow) realization that the Bush Davidians are a type of radical element with which have no experience and cannot control.
I congratulate you for that. The rest of your argument ("Maybe you like being leeched off - I DO not.
") sounds exactly like the "welfare queen" slander that the Right has alway used (successfully) to gut any kind of social safety net for anyone, anywhere, for any reason.
The right was right about welfare. Of course the real reason they hated it was because some of it went to poor minorities. But even crezy people occasionally are right.
The Times has never been anything but the house organ of the Establishment (remember that word?).Meander | Email | Homepage | 10.22.05 - 2:08 pm
You're about 55 years late with that observation. So no points for originality. Style neither.
But you should have given credit to Richard Rovere.
They're going to fight this out amongst themselves -- they are coming to the (glacially slow) realization that the Bush Davidians are a type of radical element with which have no experience and cannot control.
and for which they currently have no suitable replacement.
I think that it is in Ms. Miller's best interests to simply shut up and move along.
When editors fail to do their job, Judy Happens.
I am sick and tired of reading specious copy what a great editor Bill Keller is, and how everyone likes him as compared to that awful Howell Raines. Well the fact of the mattr is Keller's an incompetent hack who hasn't the vaguest idea of how to run a newspaper. His now-(in)famous letter to the staff was a frank admission of that fact. Judy will surely fade away. No need for a formal firing. She's not coming back. The real issue is whether the Times is going to give Bill and Pinch the boot they so richly deserve.
We'll see, but I wouldn't put it past these bozos to hang on with more tenacity than Leonardo Di Caprio in the last reel of Titanic.
I love Democrats. George Bush is lying scum.
The Times has never been anything but the house organ of the Establishment (remember that word?).Meander | Email | Homepage | 10.22.05 - 2:08 pm
You're about 55 years late with that observation. So no points for originality. Style neither.
i had a prof tell me last year 'the times international section might as well be written by the united fruit company'... that's from about '80 i'd say.
anyone got any other vintage?
The New York Times is not fit to wipe...
The call of the wild.
The Times has been a disappointment for many years; it's just a "lifestyle guide" for New Yorkers with no imaginations. It exists to sell crap, including the establishment line on the latest government boondoggle. Owned and operated by rich oil barons, can it be any wonder that they allowed Judith F Miller to lie us into a war for oil profits? There is far more reliable news here at Eschaton than the Times or CBSNBCABCCNNFOX will ever deign to give us. AFAIC, they're just trolls with bigger audiences.
From the sound of it, she wouldn't hesitate to turn her daughters out as little whores if some Nazi leader wanted them.
Tena
Didn't the Nazis try and make women have babies?
Fucking Tweety doesn't know how to spell Hains Point. What a dumbfuck. He's a journalist, for fuck's sake. SPELL, MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!
No, it's even worse. Tweety didn't write that, Buchanan did, and he grew up in DC.
There are always going to be people who don't want to work and who will figure out how to game the system, any system. That's a given.
You just put those people to one side while considering welfare, IMHO. Most people are taking help because they couldn't make it without it. We just hear about the ones who cheat, we don't hear about the thousands and thousands who don't.
It's defeating if you concentrate on the bad ones instead of looking at the real good that results. The Right has made welfare all about the cheats - I wonder what the percentage of cheats to really needy honestly is.
If you pander to the cheats, you cut off the aid that honest people need to get by.
why is Atrios so obsessed with mainstream journalists?
The Right is wrong about welfare. You don't dismantle the system because a small percentage game it, you strengthen the system for those who need it and refine it to lock out the gamers.
why is Atrios so obsessed with mainstream journalists?
it's their sheer grace
Ethan Edwards : But you should have given credit to Richard Rovere.
Perhaps I would have if I had ever read him; autodidacts cant cover everything.
" The Times has been a disappointment for many years; it's just a "lifestyle guide" for New Yorkers with no imaginations."
agreed, so why does atrios link to NYT ightweight ditz maureen dowd?
The Right is wrong about welfare. You don't dismantle the system because a small percentage game it, you strengthen the system for those who need it and refine it to lock out the gamers.
John Savage
Word.
Live Free and Feminazi -- How do social services programs work in your state(s)? What kinds or income subsidies/ parameters are set on the benefits users receive?
They're painting the passports brown.
If she's not in jail (or even if she is), Judy will have a gig on Fox by January.
And if we don't get indictments and we don't take back one house in '06 I have to seriously consider Canada. Vancouver is one of the most beautiful and diverse cities in the world. Lots of creative folks up there.
ErinPDX
And if you are under fifty and have a college degree, they might just take you.
Me, over fifty and no independant health insurance, so they don't want me. Not that I blame them or anything. It's really quite understandable, but I would be there now. Mr. QL is thinking that once we have our independent coverage in about 19 months, we will apply.
Many people dont go on welfare during tough times. People should not have children if they cannot support them. 1 kid, OK that could be a mistake. 2 kids on welfare? Give me a break.
You fail to take into account that circumstances can change. What about a fairly well off couple who have a few kids, then the wage earner loses his job, or the old man just walks off? Are they just supposed to be left twisting in the wind, or humiliated, because Life dealt them a shit hand? I don't think so. Where I work, we have an Unlimited Sick Day policy; you can call in sick whenever you want, take as many days as you need. Some people abuse it, calling off when they're not really sick, and others never take a single day. Does that make it a bad policy, or does it make the people who abuse it assholes?
If you pander to the cheats, you cut off the aid that honest people need to get by.
Tena
Word.
Thanks, Tena and John -- I lacked the rhetoric to make that argument, but that's exactly what I was thinking.
Fixing systems is an ongoing process.
agreed, so why does atrios link to NYT ightweight ditz maureen dowd?
you got me!!
so why do republicans let gay whores and closet homosexuals handle their media operations?
The fact of the matter is Keller's an incompetent hack who hasn't the vaguest idea of how to run a newspaper
David Ehrenstein ..
You, sir, might very well be an idiot.
Don't you know that inferiors get recognition only when they discuss subjects they know something about.
The Right was wrong about welfare. It's part of the American contract. If you're going to kidnap and enslave people, or you are going to create a consumerist society, then some will necessarily fall throufgh the cracks, and a safety net is a civilized and kind approach, which is why the Right hates it. The fact that some abuse the system says quite a lot about the system itself, and the lazy-ass state employees who put in their hours instead of working.
Funny that folks hate welfare going to starving kids, but don't seem to have any problem bailing out corporate billionaires whenever their airline or car company hits the skids.
did anyone watch real time last night?
Nobody games the system more than rich people. Hell -- they designed the system.
From the sound of it, she wouldn't hesitate to turn her daughters out as little whores if some Nazi leader wanted them.
Tena
They're not already? And I'm not talking about sex...
Funny that folks hate welfare going to starving kids, but don't seem to have any problem bailing out corporate billionaires whenever their airline or car company hits the skids.
ronjazz, troll resistant
Exactly. Somehow they consider helping corporations good for the whole of us, and fail to consider helping the needy as good for the whole of us.
What's the term...cognitive dissonance?
David E., word. Keller doesn't know his ass from a subpoena, although he might get an education sooner than later. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the New York Times is garbage.
If you pander to the cheats, you cut off the aid that honest people need to get by.
Tena
Exactly.
Everyone knows someone who cheated on tests in school, etc. so it was easy during the first Reagan election for the repukes to make this argument and appeal to rural rednecks who, if in Oregon, never met a black person in their lives. Ever. And after all, as the story went, it was just black folks on welfare, don't you know.
Never mind that welfare was such a miniscule percentage of their tax dollars.
They played this card very well to get the old blue collar dems to switch to the great ronnie.
Live Free and Feminazi -- How do social services programs work in your state(s)? What kinds or income subsidies/ parameters are set on the benefits users receive?
cs
I don't have that info.
And for the record, I'm against corporate welfare, too.
And after all, as the story went, it was just black folks on welfare, don't you know.
Not those folks in Philly!
Toonscribe - Ah, you got it - it's true. The wealthy get more breaks from both the government and private enterprise than any other class in this country.
They get free shit all the time - the most expensive dress shops in Dallas used to give clothes to wealthy clients - the very people who could afford the fucking clothes in the first place.
That's just a small fr'instance.
You're so right, Toonscribe.
I don't have a source Tena, but I read something years ago that about 70% of welfare recipients are off of it in less than 6 months.
"You, sir, might very well be an idiot."
Takes one to know one.
The Right is wrong about welfare. You don't dismantle the system because a small percentage game it, you strengthen the system for those who need it and refine it to lock out the gamers.
John Savage
Word.
Tena
I never said it should be abolished, but some changes have to be made.
Well, if the oligarchy masquerading as a Congress would get of the oil teat and do some work for the people, welfare would be unnecessary. Cognitive dissonance is right. Can't tell folks no abortions, no sex ed, no birth control, no health care and then leave them to starve on the streets, not in America. That's the shit that goes on in USSR, Cuba, China, Norway and all those other commie places, right? Right?
America is the world's joke, because of Republicans and right-wingers.
If the quality of your enemies is a measure of your value, then the NYT is supreme, untouchable.
Long may it condescend.
Commentary : Tim Rutten
How Judith Miller Was Used
Washington press corps continues to be studded with useful idiots like Miller, who would whack their own grandmothers for a byline above the fold.
Didn't the Nazis try and make women have babies?
ql in ny
They used to give medals to women who had the more kiddies for Der Fatherland.
One of the first things Hitler did was make abortion and birth control illegal.
That's why I laugh when anti-choicers start comparing reproductive rights to the Holocaust.
Hitler's thinking was much more in line with theirs.
They played this card very well to get the old blue collar dems to switch to the great ronnie.
ErinPDX
And that was the beginning of dividing this country...of relieving the upper class from responsibility of supporting the lower class through taxes, shifting the tax burden entirely on to the middle class, and using the "welfare cheat" meme to turn the middle class against the lower class.
America is the world's joke, because of Republicans and right-wingers.
ronjazz, troll resistant
Example: The troll posting below you.
The one who thinks he's so high and mighty!
Tena has it about right about welfare. But the right had some points as well. There developed an entire culture around getting welfare. Girls who didn't like living home, as young as 14 would get knocked up and start getting payments. With no serious social services, by the time they were twenty they had many children. And since they only got payments as long as they were unwed, there was an actual incentive built into the system not to get married. Moynahan was right about that.
Obviously the system we have in place now is too little. Instead of a five year cap,I would advocate ten years. But I think we have to realize that some people will do anything they possibly can to game the system. Not much we can do about them. We shouldn't throw the entire system because of a few cheats. And then there are people who really are emotionally unable to work. They don't have to be batshit insane, just unable to work. They're not going to change and as a society we just have to treat them as humanely as possible. I certainly don't want to be responsible for anyone doing with food or shelter to save me a few bucks in taxes.
I'm speaking as someone who grew up dirt poor, but whose mother said she would close the windows and turn on the gas before she would accept charity.
I don't remember where I read it a couple of weeks ago, but it was about the Forbes richest 400 in the US -- 86 0r 87 new billionaires on the list this year and the minimum to get on the list went up by about 250 million dollars to about 650 million. Meanwhile, 5 million more Americans descended into the poverty ranks.
") sounds exactly like the "welfare queen" slander that the Right has alway used (successfully) to gut any kind of social safety net for anyone, anywhere, for any reason.
Meander
Meander, I can see your point, but please try to see mine.
Do you not agree that some people abuse the system?
Don't they hurt those who need the help?
Feminazi -- Well, it seems to me that if you feel you're being "leached" off of, it behooves you to research just how much of your personal, hard-earned income is being leached and for whom and what.
The way things currently work, it probably takes about 5 million living in poverty to support 86 billionaires...
ql in ny:
Exactly!
My mom was born in 1932.
She said back then welfare was called "relief" or "assistance" and people were ashamed to say they were on it.
The very people who abuse it don't have any problem with it.
America is the world's joke, because of Republicans and right-wingers.
ronjazz, troll resistant
Talking about starving on the streets - we either get health coverage for everyone in this country, or companies are going to see their work force dying in the streets because they can't afford to go see a doctor.
One would think that employers in America would be the very ones crying out for universal health coverage. It would get them out from under. As coverage continues to shrink because companies can't meet the price for it, it's going to continue to get worse.
And where are the millionaire doctors going to get their money from if no one can afford to see them? (Caveat: I have some dear friends who are doctors, but I still consider that a lot of doctors are too damn greedy. Some of my doctor friends actually agree.)
Feminazi -- Well, it seems to me that if you feel you're being "leached" off of, it behooves you to research just how much of your personal, hard-earned income is being leached and for whom and what.
cs
Christ, I'm sorry I said anything since I'm going to be jumped all over for it!
Don't be sorry, Terry C...just examine your beliefs.
Many people dont go on welfare during tough times. People should not have children if they cannot support them. 1 kid, OK that could be a mistake. 2 kids on welfare? Give me a break.
Troll: A person with a garage for the suv, but without any room for love.
"When Divas Collide: Maureen Dowd v. Judy Miller
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
Would you pay $49.95 to watch women wrestling in mud?"
Terry C - I'm not jumping on you and I hope you don't think I am.
There have been times when I've taken an unpopular position here. I've been jumped. And sometimes what people have said has made me rethink.
Sometimes not. You're entitled your position and no system is perfect. Certainly, welfare can be improved, and should be.
Tena, I wish you were right about health insurance. Sadly, you're not.
America will NEVER have national health insurance because of the selfishness that drives this country.
In fact, I sadly can see where more and more people lose their health insurance and they put on the TV and see their TV Preachers telling them "Who needs health insurance when you have Jesus?"
If you think I'm kidding, look at Jesus TV now and see Benny Hinn, Paul and Jan Crouch and other GOP Welfare Queens saying this!
The truth is that the GOP can't wait for the bird flu to finish what AIDS started--the extermination of the poor in the name of Jesus!
Don't be sorry, Terry C...just examine your beliefs.
John Savage
Hey, all I know is that I have worked since I was 17.
I get a little pissed off at people who think I owe them....and that is exactly the attitude my former neighbors had.
And that was the beginning (Reaganism) of dividing this country.
John Savage | 10.22.05 - 2:44 pm | #
Where were you in the Gilded Age? Or amid the whoops for Manifest Destiny?
This country's been divided from the very beginning, its system of rights and wrongs punctuated by the likes of William Henry Harrison's testimonial in 1840, "This is a government for the rich."
I just wrote to Keller this morning and told him that I will kill my Times subscription if Judy Miller ever writes another article for the Times again.
If you think I'm kidding, look at Jesus TV now and see Benny Hinn, Paul and Jan Crouch and other GOP Welfare Queens saying this!
BTW -- whatever happened to the allegations of sexual impropriety against Paul Crouch? That was about two years ago, IIRC.
I met his son once, for business reasons. He wanted to do some animated heroes of the Bible thing. Guy was driving a Porsche and talked about just getting back from the family's house in Italy. Crime may not pay, but Bible-thumpin' sure does.
I get a little pissed off at people who think I owe them....and that is exactly the attitude my former neighbors had.
So you base your opinion of all welfare recipients on the behavior of a few jerks you used to know?
Terry, you might try logic.
And you sound just like the wingnuts who were bitching about the Katrina victims. "What's wrong with those people? They just expect the government to give them food and water? Who the hell do they think they are?"
Feminazi -- Seems like you have/had a neighbor problem that evolved into a logic problem.
Terry C--
Without taking a position one way or the other on your argument, I'm alot more pissed about the way my tax dollars are spent underwriting oil wars and corporate welfare, such as incentives for oil companies, no-bid contracts. I'd like to see the cost of Iraq, for instance, calculated on a per gallon basis of gas. Suddenly incentives for renewables and conservation would look much more economical, not to mention less carbon intensive vis a vis climate change.
I think if you were to calculate where your tax dollars go, far, far fewer land in the pockets of welfare cheats. If there is slop in the system, let's err on the side of providing a safety net to needy folks even if some scam our goodwill. But as for the corporate welfare, tied as it is to campaign dollars, that's what is rotting our democracy.
End of rant.
I just wrote to Keller this morning and told him that I will kill my Times subscription if...
How will we ever go on?
I agree with the poster that said that for some poeple welfare is a way of life. 5 years cap is too long. I think 18n months is sufficient. If you need more, it should be on a case by case basis.
Where were you in the Gilded Age? Or amid the whoops for Manifest Destiny?
Uhhhh...not born yet?
If I needed to say "the divide in this country that I have witnessed in my lifetime", my apologies for not having done so.
The more Judy talks the bigger the hole she digs for herself. She's got the classic narcissistic thing going--"I didn't mean to mislead." If she asserts that her motives were pure--and I think she is a true believer--then, she concludes, they WERE pure, and therefore she did not mislead.
No talking to her. Oy.
... she was probably giving Libby an update ...
.sdrawkcab si rellim htiduj
Oh, wait - I'm not logical NOW?
Yeah - sorry I said anything.
At what moment in time did it occur to Judy that this Flame thing was an effort to discredit Wilson?
Did she even stop to read her own newspaper?
Tena --
Actually, most of corporate America is in favor of national health insurance since the offloading of insurance benefits to the state, will save them a bundle. It was actually in service to corporate America's concerns about cost that Saint Hillary hatched her ludicrous excuse for NHI way back when. The American Medical Association also supports NHI, I believe, so you can't blame doctors.
One group, and one group only stands between the people and National Health Insurance and thats the Insurance industry.
I know. Perhaps I shouldn’t have had that last beer… but I just stumbled on Judy Miller pompauseating (on cspan) last Tuesday at the Society for Professionsal Jouranlists or some such thing, and I thought to myself: Hey! Maybe she really is protecting a source…that is, she is super super super secret deep cover and she is trying to go black inside Bushco. She’s laying her and her paper’s reputation on the line to get the confidence of the most closely guarded and corrupt administration the US has ever experienced. She’s outplaming Plame; she’s outroving Rove. She’s gonna get the goods on the whole kit'nkaboodle and then she’s gonna spill the beans on the lot of them! Yeah! That’s it!
Only I kind of wished she hadn’t sacrificed so many allies and Iraqis and US soldiers…
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