I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Is that the sound of spines growing I hear?
Today is apparently Bush-is-a-big-liar day in the media.
Keith spanked him pink this evening...
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
And another thing--remind me again why we couldn't wait for the UN weapons inspectors to complete their job?
Keith spanked him pink this evening...
Marcia Brady
I hope he disinfected afterwards.
Is that the sound of spines growing I hear?
please, please, please, please, please...
SAVE JUDY
.
And another thing--remind me again why we couldn't wait for the UN weapons inspectors to complete their job?
noblejoanie
Erm....cuz Halliburton was worried about their second quarter results?
Oh, that's right, then we would have known for sure Saddam no longer had WMD...
And another thing--remind me again why we couldn't wait for the UN weapons inspectors to complete their job?
They might have found the absence of WMDs.
At times this seems like watching a show with people having short term memories.
Or maybe it is just three card monte. Just keep moving the cards and ignore the last hand.
What does it say about Hadley that Chimpy is more careful than him?
Eli and flory--You get extra credit points!
John Kerry Responds to George Bush’s Veterans Day Political Attacks -
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.c...ily.com/?
p=1127
Senator Rockefeller's comments the day (July 9, 2004) the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released its reports tell the story:
And I have to say, that there is a real frustration over what is not in this report, and I don't think was mentioned in Chairman Roberts' statement, and that is about the -- after the analysts and the intelligence community produced an intelligence product, how is it then shaped or used or misused by the policy-makers?… So again there's genuine frustration -- and Chairman Roberts and I have discussed this many times -- that virtually everything that has to do with the administration has been relegated to phase two. My hope is that we will get this done as soon as possible."
Mr. Rehnquist,
You have poor taste in music.
Are you all about the HMS Pinafor??
Eli and flory--You get extra credit points!
Pfft. It was a gimme.
Did Fredo reference Kerry today in one of his blatherings? And when he did so, did he call Kerry "My opponent?"
Eli and flory--You get extra credit points!
noblejoanie
And a gold star?
Silberman was very clear that his Commission did NOT look into the issue of whether the Bush White House manipulated intelligence information:
"Well, on the [that] point, we duck. That is not part of our charter. We did not express any views on policymakers' use of intelligence -- whether Congress or the president. It wasn't part of our charter and indeed most of us didn't want to get into that issue because it's basically a political question and everybody knows -- you can look at the newspaper and see what people said and make your own judgment."
"They might have found the absence of WMDs.
Eli "
But...but...Iraq is as big as CALIFORNIA...the asbsence of evidence doesn't imply the evidence of absence...
"Pfft. It was a gimme."
Perhaps for talented and gifted Atriots, Eli
it's crap. crapcrapcrapcrap.
do you honestly believe, that with all the $, access, power and opportunity to info-whore that they have, that our reps and their staff "don't know what's going on" with a PDF or other top down brief? buuuuuuulshit.
they knew saddam had no wmds. they knew this war was about upping bush's sinking popularity. they knew and don't care that american soldiers would die to defend halliburton's right to rape taxpayers for "profit" (read: theft). they knew.
jeebus krist, i'll say this: if there is a congressional or senate dem who relies upon PDBs hand me downs and CNN for info about the world, they're too stupid to live. who am i? no one. i knew the "facts" about these issues long ago. it's called research, and if you're a DC intern, you do it for your boss. or you get fired.
no, interns and bosses alike, "they knew." it was, is, and always was BULLSHIT. crap. rhetoric. a game. wool over amurkins' eyes. for halliburton. to advance the career of dem pol A to committee B, etc. but "serious?" no. nononononono.
let's not play this game. let's call a spade a spade. a liar a liar, a fraud a fruad. did this war have to happen, did it save any lives, better protect america, stabilize the region, take out a gathering threat, or bring PITME? fuck no.
you know what it did, and continues to do. $ for warmongers. plain and simple. say thank you as you write that tax check, KBR sure will. in the end, "No one" (read: rich white people) cares about a few firebombed, flesh-burnt-off brown people and towelheads. compassion is for suckers, loser. wake up and smell the profit.
What intelligence contained in the 2001 statement of policy entitled "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out" did the American people have difficulty understanding?
EYES WIDE SHUT!
Only days after a bludgeoning behind closed doors in the Senate, Republican Senator Pat Roberts is insisting that there is no evidence of "political manipulation or pressure" in the use of pre-war intelligence.
Unfortunately for Roberts, a growing mountain of evidence suggests otherwise...
For the full story, see:
"Roberts' Iraq Stonewall Crumbles."
flory--gold stars and smiley faces
Geezus freekin' gapers, folks.
We've got ample evidence of all these folks jazzing their way to war.
We don't need more facts...just the one's that are out there.
Perhaps for talented and gifted Atriots, Eli
Well, anyone paying attention and drinking Dr Pepper instead of Kool Aid, anyway...
Did Fredo reference Kerry today in one of his blatherings? And when he did so, did he call Kerry "My opponent?"
res ipsa loquitur
He's just trying to recapture that sweet post-election afterglow.
Today is apparently Bush-is-a-big-liar day in the media.
He's jumped the shark. And the media is like the little kids who take turns to stick the boot in once the bully's on the floor.
Watching the Olbermann re-run. I heard it's good.
They're just a pack of liars. This administration is headed for utter historical disgrace. They must know it. How can they even continue?
Did Fredo reference Kerry today in one of his blatherings? And when he did so, did he call Kerry "My opponent?"
He was referring to the context of the 2004 election. No word-usage foul there.
John Kerry Responds to George Bush’s Veterans Day Political Attacks
Americans will not forget, and neither will those of us who defend our country by asking tough questions and demanding a new course in Iraq.
Just out of curiousity Senator -- where the hell were all those tough questions in February of 2003?
I'm glad you've found your spine, but I really wish you'd polished the damn thing up when it would've done some good.
Bob Beckel -- yes, Bob Beckel --
spanked on this tonite.
It was lovely.....
That speech?
Waaaaaaaah preznit. A petty little man, standing in front of people in uniform. None of whom look that delighted to be there.
This fucker needs to be impeached. And if not, he had better not leave the country after he leaves office, because the moment he sets foot in another country, he'll be hauled off to the Hague.
I despise him.
Watching the Olbermann re-run. I heard it's good.
pseudonymous in nc
The most consistently enjoyable hour on television.
"And the media is like the little kids who take turns to stick the boot in once the bully's on the floor."
olberman beat the crap outta him, and this column is so-so. did anyone see how the networks reported it?
Mr. Rehnquist,
You have poor taste in music.
Are you all about the HMS Pinafor??
Pardon me? I enjoy the "new music" the kids are into these days. I like the Air Supply and that Leo Sayer character. I must admit, however, that the "Captain and Tennille" or whatever they are called and many of the other Negro "acid rock" acts are too rough for my tastes.
.
the NIE view that Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or turn them over to terrorists unless backed into a corner was cleared for public use only a day before the Senate vote.
It wasn't cleared for the mainstream media for 2 years.
He was referring to the context of the 2004 election. No word-usage foul there.
True, but it reminded us that he wouldn't call Kerry by name in 2004.
Its hard to say much about people that eerily stupid...
everybody knew that B.S. was a snow job
who can forget that.
It reminds me of the idea (well proven) that you simply have to traumatically shock people & then they become suggestible to whatever tripe you're desirous of ram rodding down their (would be otherwise NONCONSENTING)throats
trashy sleaziods, they are
The most consistently enjoyable hour on television.
Unless your TV is roughly the size of a bed, and very sturdy.
Perhaps the point about Bush's reference to "my opponent" is more evidence that he recycled almost verbatim a July 2004 campaign speech.
True, but it reminded us that he wouldn't call Kerry by name in 2004.
pseudonymous in nc
Well, it is pretty hard to pronounce...
Even though Bush may have finally forces Hussein's hand and let the UN INspectors in, it was clear a month from our invasion there were no WMD's.
Bush clearly ginned the information he gave to the Senate. Hell, Powell ginned the information he presented live to the UN.
Even though the Seante allowed Bush to use force IF IT WAS NECCESSARY (and the Senate all have much to answer for all the way around for abdacating their greatest power), it was clear that invading Iraq and tearing the place to bits was UNNECCESSARY.
Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney did that on his own and they should be brought before a woalrd court on charges for invading a non-threatening, sovereign power.
Oh, for pity's sake!
Since when has any congresscritter had access to the same intel that the POTUS recieves in his daily briefings? Hmm?
All we need to do is hammer on that one little fact.
Bush lied, people died.
True, but it reminded us that he wouldn't call Kerry by name in 2004.
What a fucking baby.
flory--gold stars and smiley faces
noblejoanie
Wheee!!!
No intel analyst admitted to being placed under pressure?
Gee whiz.
Next up, American turkeys rank Thanksgiving as least favourite holiday.
This Craig Crawford's speaking style is peculiar and off-putting.
Negro "acid rock" acts are too rough for my tastes.
Thank you for clearing that up.
With that, I audi 5000.
Unless your TV is roughly the size of a bed, and very sturdy.
Eli
Bed, couch, floor, balcony...whatever.
We have to remove this assclown.
This Craig Crawford's speaking style is peculiar and off-putting.
Oh come on. You'd still let this man shave you with a straight razor. No? No?
Bed, couch, floor, balcony...whatever.
Good, a checklist. Very organized.
This Craig Crawford's speaking style is peculiar and off-putting.
Eli
He sounds like he's on a ventilator tonight.
They already did an investigation, you must have been at work that day. The investigation showed the intelligence wasn't politically massaged.
So when 80% of the public disapproves of Bush and believes he lied us in to war and think we should get out, will anything change? They hold the reins of power and nothing, nothing will stop them unless the Dems retake Congress in 06. And even then, we won't be leaving Iraq.
This was supposed to be Bush's comeback speech? The one where he was supposed to attack Democrats and cut the momentum?
The way the retorts have been coming, I suspect that Bush will tumble another 5 points.
good news all, apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!
Marcia--what about the hours you and Keithy spend when he's not on the TV?
"Bed, couch, floor, balcony...whatever.
Marcia Brady ∞"
eli...i think someone's hinting...
Bed, couch, floor, balcony...whatever.
Marcia Brady
Cars, countertops.....
True, but it reminded us that he wouldn't call Kerry by name in 2004.
To be fair, that is actually pretty standard for political races. Why mention the other candidate's name and give them free publicity?
Of course that doesn't absolve Bush of being a cowardly, whiny, little bitch.
He sounds like he's on a ventilator tonight.
It's like he's afraid to pause or be silent for even a second - he has to fill any pauses with an extended "uhh" or "ahh". Weird.
Good, a checklist. Very organized.
Eli
I was a girl scout.
they knew saddam had no wmds.
I honestly don't think they knew either way in late 2002. There were things that they did know, such as Hussein Kemal's interview with the UN saying that everything substantial got dumped in the early 90s. They pretty much knew nothing new was around once the inspectors went back in.
They just didn't care.
Oh, "Murray Waas piece" - I thought he said "The merry waspies."
I never actually read the Senate Iraq resolution before...
Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;
hmmm
I was a girl scout.
But not any more, right?
"apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!"
what's this 'we' shit? i never once uttered a word about that skank...
good news all, apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!
Atrios
By name?
Where's my fucking royalty check? I could use the $1.38.
good news all, apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!
That would be Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Profit!?
good news all, apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!
Oh dear. I was going to Barnes & Noble tomorra to check it & blog it. If King Leopold is mentioned I will laugh until I brak two ribs.
Fifty-Frist! Low man again!
Frog march coming. All the way to The Hague. I can FEEL it. Mmmmmyeah.
I'm so old, I remember Nixon resigning. I remember the '68 campaign and election. And all that's happened since.
But I ain't never seen anything like what's happened in the last five years. No-how, no-where, no-way. God help us every fuggin' one...
OT but I was watching to the speech sitting across for an NCO who had the best line of the night. When shrub talked about how the 90 Iraqi battalions (I'd like to know whose ass he pulled that number out of) are improving every month. The young man looked up from what he was doing and said "Yea I haven't seen a fratricide in a couple of days." and then went back to his game.
They're just a pack of liars. This administration is headed for utter historical disgrace. They must know it. How can they even continue?
Thers | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 12:07 am
How can they continue?????
Because they aren't a disgrace in their own minds. Because they could not care less what people like us think about anything, not even the weather. Because they are delusional fuckwits who are certain, certain, that History will vindicate them.
Boy, has Clio ever got a surprise for them.
what about the hours you and Keithy spend when he's not on the TV?
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
Completely private. And unvideotaped.
yeah, i don't have it, but inquiring to see if king leopold makes an appearance.
god probably doesn't like me quite that much
I was a girl scout.
Marcia Brady
I was a Boy Scout.
Truly.
Explorer Post 1084.
Time for the Haloscan notice:
'All comments are the copyright of their authors. Any re-use by right-wing nutjobs is strictly prohibited. And you can stick your fair use up your chuff, too.'
Meanwhile in other news..
Howard Dean is a Miserable Failure as DNC Chairman.
The Democratic National Committee under Howard Dean is losing the fundraising race against Republicans by nearly 2 to 1
(..)
From January through September, the Republican National Committee raised $81.5 million, with $34 million remaining in the bank. The Democratic National Committee, by contrast, showed $42 million raised and $6.8 million in the bank.
(..)
In the previous election cycle, the DNC had raised $31 million, compared with the RNC's $80 million at this point in 2003. But the cash-on-hand disparity -- the main concern of party strategists -- was less daunting then, with the RNC sitting on $27 million to nearly $10 million for the DNC.
Bwahahahahaha!
well, they, (and i mean the repukes) did it for politics, but they dig war anyway. it would have been certain death for any dem. to have voted against the resolution.
of course there is the larger issue of the national psyche which i think hunter
covers well.
"We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world -- a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us. No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you.
i'm with chi dyke. the congressional dems knew they were being played. absolutely knew it. fuck, we knew it; how could they not know it?
i'm not sure their reason for going along with it was their desire pump the bellows of the great war machine - i think they were concerned with the midterm elections. but whatever, who cares, they knew.
and the suckiest part of all is that we have to give them cover now, 'cuz they're the only opposition party you have. oh well, you go to war with the senators you have...
Cars, countertops.....
flory
Dressing rooms at Victoria's Secret...
"Cars, countertops....."
comfy chairs, ox carts, hay bails, pickanick tables..
"good news all, apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!"
What they won't do to sell books these days!
"the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country."
So there you are.
So what's all the whining and lying about? Cannot Dems read?
"Dressing rooms at Victoria's Secret..."
you spewed on it, you bought it?
Completely private. And unvideotaped.
Marcia Brady
Hee.
So she thinks.
I was a Boy Scout.
Truly.
Explorer Post 1084.
I totally did not want to know that...
Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;
hmmm
matthew
Amazing.
good news all, apparently we figure prominently in malkin's new book. congratulations!
Are we thusly banned from pimping our own blogs now?
http://zapaction.blogspot.com
Can someone please scan a copy of La Maglalang's book so that Atrios can give it the Malkin treatment? I'm sure that there's potential hilarity to be had.
Dressing rooms at Victoria's Secret...
Marcia Brady
Now this sounds like a story.
Off to stare at some stars on this crisp fall night and try to forget the madness. Thanks for the fun, batsies.
The trolls really don't seem to have
their hearts in it since the election.
The triumphalism isn't working any
more.......
I totally did not want to know that...
Eli
The post was dissolved for moral turpitude.
Also true.
There was this camping trip, you see....
Quoting King Leopold would be fantastic. But surely even in the right wing vanity press someone would "get it" before it reached print?
Cannot Dems read?
"In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE."
Cannot hat read?
Oh, we've answered that. Still: Dumbest Troll. Ever.
trolls still can't read:
In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release. For example, the NIE view that Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or turn them over to terrorists unless backed into a corner was cleared for public use only a day before the Senate vote.
There was stuff not included in the NIE version given to congress. And, even stuff in the NIE given to congress couldn't be shared publicly.
I certainly agree with people that plenty of Dems knew they were getting played, but that doesn't take the blame from the players, or change the fact that the dems were still given cherry picked intelligence.
So what's all the whining and lying about?
Ask your paymasters - they're the ones doing it.
and the suckiest part of all is that we have to give them cover now, 'cuz they're the only opposition party you have. oh well, you go to war with the senators you have...
dan mcenroe
And the key to control of legislation is having the majority, even if part of the majority is made up of conservative democrats.
the real reason...
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;
word dan
Maybe a few years after the repukes totally implode, the dems get strong, then we can break off a true left.
But we can't do it until the repubs split into fundie vs. fiscal conservative party of "our" grandfathers.
Atrios, in honor of Mangalangadingdong's terribly important new tome, I suggest that you begin posting some of those really attractive photos of her again.
i'm not sure their reason for going along with it was their desire pump the bellows of the great war machine - i think they were concerned with the midterm elections. but whatever, who cares, they knew.
Max Cleland. Voted against a provision to exclude Homeland Security employees from federal whistleblower protection. Was compared to Osama in TV ads. Lost his Senate seat.
trolls still can't read...
Fuck 'em. They've lost.
No explanations. No discussion. Bush lied. End of story.
The post was dissolved for moral turpitude.
Also true.
There was this camping trip, you see....
Suddenly more interested...
With this speech,it's clear that the bush strategy is to spread the blame for his Iraq blunder.But it will do him no good.
If he continues, the Pottery Barn Rule(you break it you own it)will make him an object of derision and ridicule.
Lots of Malkin goodness at Orcinus.
"Is that the sound of spines growing I hear?"
More like distance between them and the crime syndicate.
including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush
Never proven.
and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;
The no-fly zones were never authorised by the UN. They were implemented ad hoc by the US and UK (and France, originally).
The Democratic National Committee under Howard Dean is losing the fundraising race against Republicans by nearly 2 to 1
That's great news! Typically the Republicans, who represent the interests of big business and wealthy individuals, raise three times as much money as the Democrats.
"If he continues, the Pottery Barn Rule(you break it you own it)will make him an object of derision and ridicule.
notch"
more then he is now? I mean, seriously, i think he's pretty much hit bottom...it's all base now, and they'll never leave the guy...they are insane.
yeah, i don't have it, but inquiring to see if king leopold makes an appearance.
god probably doesn't like me quite that much
I'll look at it tomorrow. I'm not going to buy it or read it, or let it interfere with football watching, but I will give it the once-over.
Ted Koppel on "Letterman": "Of course [Libby] is innocent until proven guilty."
Letterman: "But we know he did it."
And the key to control of legislation is having the majority, even if part of the majority is made up of conservative democrats.
Marcia Brady
sigh. now i'm all bummed. and i just watched a good movie too.
marcia - downstairs you mentioned a drinking liberally at the bohemian beer garden. do you mean the one in astoria? i'd love to know when that is - that's my neighborhood.
That resolution is FULL of BS...
with every paragraph I read, the more pissed off I get at Dems who voted for it
Democrats want to forget how they thought Saddam had WMDs, this was the even before Bush was President!
Yet they want to act anti-War now?
They're the last to join us and the first to leave us when it comes to warfare
FeralLiberal :
Hi guy!
Is it my imagination or have you
been fairly scarce in these parts
lately?
Letterman sticks it to Fredo a little bit each night.
Dean's funding model (and campaigning model) is different. More bang for the buck. Win local races, get grassroots funding, rely less on potentially fickle big donors.
Of course, it helped that the Dems didn't need to raise money for Corzine...
Suddenly more interested...
Eli
Thought so.
downstairs you mentioned a drinking liberally at the bohemian beer garden. do you mean the one in astoria? i'd love to know when that is - that's my neighborhood.
dan mcenroe
You live in Astoria? I saw the flyer up at Key Foods on 31st Street.
I honestly don't think they knew either way in late 2002. There were things that they did know, such as Hussein Kemal's interview with the UN saying that everything substantial got dumped in the early 90s. They pretty much knew nothing new was around once the inspectors went back in.
They just didn't care.
pseudonymous in nc | 11.12.05 - 12:15 am | #
look, i'm a lousy former grad student and i KNEW the wmd claims were bullshit. the only doubt i had came from a niggling worry that some kind of ops intel indicated a possible, but remote, "threat," perhaps akin to NK or the chicoms. but the facts were and remain plain: iraq is and was a nothing arsenal, compared to the 1,000,000,000,000 power that is our +50year nookoolaar buildup. it's crap to think that anyone or thing could seriously challenge that.
add in the full power of the NSA, cia, dod, etc., observing capabilities...crap. it's just crap. even the lowest level staffer can say, "hey: is this real?" and do a little library time. i did it. you probably did too. it's called "critical thinking." is this real? why do some say so? the answers there have nothing to do with a serious threat, and everything to do with rhetoric, mainipulation of the amurkin media, and making $ for kbr, dyncorps, etc.
and that's a fact anyone can easily prove and support.
shit. i have to go to bed now. kisses and all that. see y'all later, blogkins.
They're the last to join us and the first to leave us when it comes to warfare
Fred Eper
Which part of Iraq are you posting from, Ruppert? al-Mom'sBasement?
They're the last to join us and the first to leave us when it comes to warfare
Sargeant Eper ... How's the weather in Baghdad today? You going out on parols? You fighting the te'rists?
Malkin? oh cripes. guess I'll have to do the old washington skim in the bookstore. if I can find it here.
'way ot - went to 3 stores that sell music beyond the top 50 per genre.
not one had the new kate bush.
maybe I should drive down to 'turkey tomorrow and get it there...
Res:
Pictures like that really should come with a rating system.
I'll look at it tomorrow. I'm not going to buy it or read it, or let it interfere with football watching, but I will give it the once-over.
Thers
think it over man - you're good person with a fine family. why would you do that to yourself?
Democrats want to forget how they thought Saddam had WMDs, this was the
even before Bush was President!
Based on faulty intelligence.
What about that don't you get,
numbnuts?
"Dean's funding model (and campaigning model) is different. "
still too many races they don't have candidates for...we should never let a seat go unopposed..
think it over man - you're good person with a fine family. why would you do that to yourself?
To read some of those King Leopold posts. They were hilarious.
'way ot - went to 3 stores that sell music beyond the top 50 per genre.
not one had the new kate bush.
That's just not right.....
They just didn't care.
I think the real confirmation of that was the fact that they put absolutely no effort into trying to secure the sites where WMD would have been expected to be located. For example...
WMDs for the Taking?
While U.S. troops pushed on to Baghdad, Iraqis were looting radioactive materials from once protected sites
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068560/
'THIS SITE IS OUT OF CONTROL'
The well-known Al Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center,
about 12 miles south of Baghdad, had nearly two tons
of partially enriched uranium, along with significant quantities
of highly radioactive medical and industrial isotopes, when
International Atomic Energy Agency officials made their
last visit in January. By the time U.S. troops arrived in
early April, armed guards were holding off looters-but
the Americans only disarmed the guards, Al Tuwaitha
department heads told NEWSWEEK. "We told them,
'This site is out of control. You have to take care of it',"
says Munther Ibrahim, Al Tuwaitha's head of plasma
physics. "The soldiers said, 'We are a small group.
We cannot take control of this site'." As soon as the
Americans left, looters broke in. The staff fled; when
they returned, the containment vaults' seals had been
broken, and radioactive material was everywhere.
U.S. officers say the center had already been
ransacked before their troops arrived. They didn't try to
stop the looting, says Colonel Madere, because "there
was no directive that said do not allow anyone in and
out of this place." Last week American troops finally
went back to secure the site. Al Tuwaitha's scientists
still can't fully assess the damage; some areas are too
badly contaminated to inspect. "I saw empty uranium-oxide
barrels lying around, and children playing with them," says
Fadil Mohsen Abed, head of the medical-isotopes department.
Stainless-steel uranium canisters had been stolen. Some were
later found in local markets and in villagers' homes. "We saw
people using them for milking cows and carrying drinking water,"
says Ibrahim. The looted materials could not make a nuclear bomb,
but IAEA officials worry that terrorists could build plenty of dirty
bombs with some of the isotopes that may have gone missing.
I saw the flyer up at Key Foods on 31st Street.
Marcia Brady
that'll teach me to do fresh direct. i'll check it out. thanks.
Marcia--are you sure about you and Keithy not being videotaped? I'd check eBay were I you.
ChiDyke: yes, the idea of a massive non-conventional arsenal was pretty obviously bullshit. But when push came to shove -- and Bush was getting his war, regardless of the vote -- even a few crappy mustard gas shells would have been considered justification.
Look at the Regnery book right now that claims the IAEA-sealed uranium and looted pre-1990 chem shells counted as WMDs.
That's great news! Typically the Republicans, who represent the interests of big business and wealthy individuals, raise three times as much money as the Democrats.
The Republicans, being the party of business, is also the party that isn't being run into bankruptcy.
The Democrats, with their tiny amount of money and their lavish spending, will be bankrupt by April 2006.
In 2003, The Republicans had almost 3 times the cash on hand as the Democrats.
In 2005, the Republicans have 5 times the cash on hand as the Democrats
Sargeant Eper is strangely silent.
Perhaps he had to dash to detonate a few I.E.D.s. along the airport road in Iraq.
Man, this Stephen Hayes Weakly
Standard guy on Fox is one of
the biggest weasels in the
Western World.
There were doubts about the intel being leaked into the press in the FALL OF '02. A bunch of CIA analysts RESIGNED EN MASSE IN PROTEST, before the Invasion.
Doesn't anybody remember those stories? They did happen AFTER the vote, when the Dems AND Repubs in Congress started to realize what you and I already knew even then--
--we were played. I was, too, in September. But not for long afterwards. It took about a month of reading articles after the Congressional authority was implemented to realize it.
Anyone who was paying attention knew by then. Before...?
The Democrats, with their tiny amount of money and their lavish spending, will be bankrupt by April 2006.
Right after Plame and Wilson are indicted?
"I saw empty uranium-oxide barrels lying around, and children playing with them," says Fadil Mohsen Abed, head of the medical-isotopes department. Stainless-steel uranium canisters had been stolen.
You know now that a wingnut author is counting this as proof of WMDs in Iraq?
that'll teach me to do fresh direct. i'll check it out. thanks.
dan mcenroe
No, no, Fresh Direct is fabulous. I'll look and see if the flyer is still up and let you know.
In 2005, the Republicans have 5 times the cash on hand as the Democrats
Fred Eper | 11.12.05 - 12:30 am | #
And yet they lost the elections
this week.
Why is that?
Well, I don't know about all this sex on the tv -- I mean, I keep falling off.
You know, one obvious conclusion that can be drawn based on the Bush stance, Saddam was a genius, brilliant at his deception, able to fool the American Intelligence community to a man. It is obvious we were up against the most insidious if intellects that rivaled Lex Luthor and Braniac combined.
Or could it be, just possible, if Bush is truly innocent of creating this war of his own agenda, the reality is Bush and his crew are some of the biggest dumb asses in history?
History books will be pondering over this war and it's implications, Bush Idiot Prince or conspiritorial sociopath. I doubt if the books will be hailing his own prowess at defending the nation.
They're the last to join us and the first to leave us when it comes to warfare
Fred Eper
evidence of our abundant good sense, if you ask me.
Man, this Stephen Hayes Weakly
Standard guy on Fox is one of
the biggest weasels in the
Western World.
Watch him get pwn3d by Jon Stewart instead.
Is it my imagination or have you
been fairly scarce in these parts
lately?
Hey Steve - You're not imagining things, been v. busy and not around much other than occasionally dropping in on the early morning bunch.
Dean's funding model (and campaigning model) is different.
Yeah, it involves raising money from insane leftists on blogs, $20 at a time
Win local races
Which is why the Democrats only won ONE big race in Virginia, compared to 2 in 2001.
Oh yeah, you guys won a lot of nonpartisan seats on city councils and school boards.
We'll take the congress, you can have the city council.
rely less on potentially fickle big donors.
And then run the party into bankruptcy
The dems fucked up. There were certainly some true believers like Lieberman and Biden who signed up for the project but there were others who figured it'd be a short and sweet war. There were a couple of liberal columnists on our side whose judgment is normally better who also took that view - elections are coming, there's no way to stop this, it'll be quick and easy so let's just sign on.
Perhaps he had to dash to detonate a few I.E.D.s. along the airport road in Iraq.
res ipsa loquitur
is that what they call it now? we used to call it pinching a loaf.
"Dean's funding model (and campaigning model) is different. "
your teevee probably has one of them degaussers..the old ones will grip your shaft of steel and won't let go...
And yet they lost the elections
this week.
Why is that?
Because the Republican plan doesn't rely on sending a former Presidential candidate to rally for a mayoral candidate (who lost)
FeralLiberal:
Well,
then it's good to have you here, kiddo!
i didn't need no NIE to know these bastards were lying. altho i figured he probably did have chem. weapons. but it was a dangerous undertaking sure to go awry or should that be Amok. see, i was proved fuck'n right.
"Well, shit on that dumbness, George W. Bush does not speak for me or my son or my mother or my friends or the people I respect in this world. We didn't vote for these cheap, greedy little killers who speak for America today -- and we will not vote for them again in 2002. Or 2004. Or ever.
when you see the replay of the 16 words it's so obvious he's lying. what a fuckwit. "from Africa"
it'll be quick and easy so let's just sign on.Dumber than believing he had WMD's.
are you sure about you and Keithy not being videotaped? I'd check eBay were I you.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
Blatant forgeries. And the lighting was all wrong.
The Democrats, with their tiny amount of money and their lavish spending, will be bankrupt by April 2006.
And if they are, that's the last we'll see of you -- right?
In 2005, the Republicans have 5 times the cash on hand as the Democrats
Fred Eper
And all those bucks did them a lot of good on Tuesday, didn't they?
thanks Fred, for reminding me that I was intending to increase the amount of my Democracy Bond this month.
I knew there was some other good deed I needed to do tonight, but it's been a busy day.
/talking to trool for entire night.
Win local races
Which is why the Democrats only won ONE big race in Virginia, compared to 2 in 2001.
Dems increased their majority in state legislatures, and even demolished areas of former GOP dominance, notably Long Island. The loss of LI for the GOP is a big but ignored story.
Because the Republican plan doesn't rely on sending a former Presidential
candidate to rally for a mayoral candidate (who lost)
Fred Eper | 11.12.05 - 12:33 am | #
Ah, but the plan DID call for
a current Republican president
to stump with a Republican candidate
for Governor WHO THEN LOST!!!!!!
Genius!!!!!!
Marcia B--all I can say is, when the Internet video version comes out, I hope it's better than the Pam Anderson-Tommy Lee one.
"The dems fucked up. There were certainly some true believers like Lieberman and Biden who signed up for the project but there were others who figured it'd be a short and sweet war."
Yeah but...consider if they had found even a liter of anthrax...dems woulda been toast. personally, i was suprised they found nothing at all...
and while it's true some might have thought it could be a short and sweet war, the total lack of post-war planning and the total absence of an exit should have given anyone pause..
Because the Republican plan doesn't rely on sending a former Presidential candidate to rally for a mayoral candidate (who lost)
Fred Eper
holy shit, did he just say that? someone else take this shot, please. i've given up cheap shots to work on my karma.
As Roy Orbison sang... "Just running scared..."
But Atrios, it's a sad historical precedent that no American preznit has ever been punished at the ballot box for getting into a war, no matter how dumb and costly; just as no American opposition has been rewarded for opposing a war, no matter how dumb and costly. Ask George McGovern about that one.
At least, to my knowledge. Help me out with counter-examples.
elections are coming, there's no way to stop this, it'll be quick and easy so let's just sign on.
it would have been one thing if we were talking about a pork laden spending bill that was begrudgingly signed by Dems, but its quite another to authorize the country to go to war...
And then run the party into bankruptcy
While you and the rest of the Repugs run the Country into bankruptcy....
thanks steve. i'll send you a postcard from nirvana.
Because the Republican plan doesn't rely on sending a former Presidential candidate to rally for a mayoral candidate (who lost)
The Republican plan was to send "The President" to rally for a Gubernatorial candidate (who lost).
" The loss of LI for the GOP is a big but ignored story."
not to mention the smackdown of the creationsists in the heart of redneck, PA...
And if they are, that's the last we'll see of you -- right?
Ruppert promised to fuck off after Scooter got indicted. Because he's a piss-stain, he changed his fake name and is still boring us.
thanks steve. i'll send you a postcard from nirvana.
dan mcenroe | Email | 11.12.05 - 12:37 am | #
dan -- I have no idea what that
means, but thanks.
I guess.
Because the Republican plan doesn't rely on sending a former Presidential candidate to rally for a mayoral candidate (who lost)
Fred Eper
No, it relys on sending a current preznit to rally for a gubernatorial candidate (who lost -- big).
Dems increased their majority in state legislatures, and even demolished areas of former GOP dominance, notably Long Island. The loss of LI for the GOP is a big but ignored story.
Yep. Yep. And yep.
Even yucky Denny Dillion -- repuke Nassau Cty. DA -- got turned out of office. Replaced w/a democratic female!
steve:
I appear to be channeling you tonite...
jdw | Email | 11.12.05 - 12:33 am | #
Dear holiday weekend troll: you're not even worth $1.50/hr. Thanks.
Ruppert promised to fuck off after Scooter got indicted. Because he's a piss-stain, he changed his fake name and is still boring us.
He also said Plame and Wilson would be indicted.
Going to bed. Good night, Liberal Elitists!
And all those bucks did them a lot of good on Tuesday, didn't they?
Virginia
2001: 52.2-47.0 Warner
2002: 51.7-46.0 Kaine (despite Warner having an 80% approval rating)
New Jersey
2001: 56.4-41.7 McGreevy
2005: 52.6-43.8 Corzine
The Republicans are making huge gains all over the nation, and you'll know that when we cross the 60 seat barrier in 2006
steve - i said i wasn't going to comment on fred j. eper's insane comments on democratic strategy b/c taking such an easy shot would be bad for my karma.
Lydon Johnson was forced not to run.
When he left office he was a shattered man. The public did indeed
punish him for Viet Nam.
And just for the record, this is the " mother" of all stupid senceless wars with no end in sight.
If the Republicans keep breaking from Bush
and the poll numbers continue to slip,
I think we are talking about impeachment-
My question is how long before the pollsters add that question to the surveys...
and will the media begin to report it.
pseud,
no, you're probably right on the short run calculation. I certainly couldn't have argued with the fact that opposing the war in '02 would've been a negative, though obviously supporting it didn't help the dems much. Still, there's something to thinking a few months ahead.
you'll know that when we cross the 60 seat barrier in 2006
Fred Eper
Then you'll go away?
steve - i said i wasn't going to comment on fred j. eper's insane comments on
democratic strategy b/c taking such an easy shot would be bad for my karma.
dan mcenroe | Email | 11.12.05 - 12:39 am | #
Sorry, kiddo.
I knew that.
I think it's so funny you think
I didn't know that.
[channeling Martin Short as
Nathan Thurm]
There was stuff not included in the NIE version given to congress. And, even stuff in the NIE given to congress couldn't be shared publicly.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Espionage/Intelligence gathering. Even when you finally get a far amount of info togethr on a subject, there's no telling how it will be used. Or abused.
Georgie wanted to go to war. And did all his cronies.
Well?
Asheville got a female African-American mayor, which tipped the balance in city gubmint firmly back towards the Dems. The incumbent mayor didn't make it to the final round.
"Dear holiday weekend troll: you're not even worth $1.50/hr. Thanks.
pseudonymous in nc |"
haha...sorry I posted the wrong quote, no wonder it don't make sense...but troll? c'mon, i neen hanging here for years, and despite occassional disagreement with some, have never been labeled a troll...
I think we are talking about impeachment-
My question is how long before the pollsters add that question to the surveys...
and will the media begin to report it.
Anna | Email | 11.12.05 - 12:40 am | #
Actually, if memory serves the
media is already -- if gingerly --
starting to dance around that
issue.
I mean, there are poll numbers.
Steve - Thanks, gotta drop in more often. Caught your comment on Tonio K. on the last thread, glad to hear he's still involved.
steve damn straight it ain't right. 2 stores were sold out of the 5 copies each they had. the last place I went that is mostly sucky, but I was desperate, hadn't even ordered any copies. more pissed too because i'd gone to one of the stores on tuesday night, and they hadn't unpacked the shipment that contained their copies, and the other I hit Wednesday and they claimed the shipment hadn't arrived.
I shoulda ordered it from amazon.
I mean, it's only been what TWELVE LONG YEARS since Kate's last record.
was really looking forward to hearing it in all its glory this weekend, and since I'm on dialup, iTunes ain't a real good option.
grumble
They're the last to join us and the first to leave us when it comes to warfare
Fred Eper | 11.12.05 - 12:26 am | #
I guess you don't remember what party FDR was a member of, do you?
Still, there's something to thinking a few months ahead.
Atrios
And since we're talking about war here, and children dying, there's also something to be said for pulling your head out of your ass and doing what's fucking right instead of what's best for your political career.
Republican gains in 2006: Maryland (Steele), Florida (Harris), Nebraska (Stenberg), Minnesota (Kennedy), and Washington (McGavick)
Florida (Harris)
Uhh, yeah.
grumble
NMRed | Email | 11.12.05 - 12:44 am | #
Save me a google -- what label is
she on these days?
And is she selling her stuff online
herself?
I guess you don't remember what party FDR was a member of, do you?
SHG
yeah, and which party had the stones to use nuclear weapons, huh? huh? that's right gooper boy.
ok, shitty example, i'll stop now...
"Lydon Johnson was forced not to run.
When he left office he was a shattered man. The public did indeed
punish him for Viet Nam."
his own party did that, it had nothing to do with the opposing party. That's the thing with the cult of chimpco, they'll never leave him..and i'll never be able to understand how they were able to pull that off...
Republican gains in 2006: Maryland (Steele), Florida (Harris)
BWWWWAAAAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!!
*gasp*
Anna--Zogby's been playing with that question, albeit in a very circumspect manner.
BackFromBrewhouseWestHICA!
.
Thers:
Nice shoes.
I can't believe no one's mentioned the shellacking California voters gave der Gropenfuhrer's pet initiatives.
But I guess for Brain-Dead Fred, it's all part of the Republicans' Grand Strategery, right?
i will never belong to a party that considers katherine harris a gain.
Ruppert: you're a stupid fucking cunt, and need to fuck off. Right now. Bye.
doing what's fucking right instead of what's best for your political career.
flory
Strange how they're winding up to be the same thing.
Boxer said her anti-war vote was the best vote she ever made.
"Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid rich kids like George Bush?
i believe one is amongst us.
gosh, steve, I am ashamed to say I haven't even looked... I had to swear off the Van and kate mailing lists and the like a couple of years ago to increase my political junkie activities online.
I was reading about K. harris here in Florida. there is nothing like touching your grassroots!
"We're a good six weeks into our campaign now. We feel like everything has come together," Harris said in an interview. "What I have to do now is go back and touch my grassroots, go back and touch my friends around the state and make a lot of new friends."
The Fox All-Stars are mentioning
that Bush could realistically be
impeached.
How do you say "watershed" in
French?
jdw: sorry, itchy trigger-finger tonight.
Fuckin' Lindsey Buckingham is on my PBS station right now. Fuck.
.
One reason you people aren't going to make this into your own Viet Nam is that our military are voluntary services. You don't have even a fraction of the emotional appeal that your hippie ancestors did because you cannot scare the parents with the notion of a draft.
Republican gains in 2006: Maryland (Steele),
Dream on.
Steele wil not be one of my senators. Uh-uh. No way.
i'll never be able to understand how they were able to pull that off...
jdw
anybody who backs off from bush gets devoured by the rabid jackals they call their base.
Strange how they're winding up to be the same thing.
Karma is a really sneaky bitch.
steve simels: The Fox All-Stars are mentioning
that Bush could realistically be
impeached.
Exsqueese me...????? I don't have cable; are you shittin' me?
.
wow, I'm a hippie ancestor?
cool.
/referring to that particular trool for the night
One reason you people aren't going to make this into your own Viet Nam is that our military are voluntary services.
Oh, is that your excuse now for being too cowardly to act on your beliefs?
You, too, are a cunt, Toby. You're a cowardly piss-stained shitheaded cunt. Fuck off.
"What I have to do now is go back and touch my grassroots, go back and touch my friends
Eeek!
I hope all of Florida's caught up on its shots.
And since we're talking about war here, and children dying, there's also something to be said for pulling your head out of your ass and doing what's fucking right instead of what's best for your political career.
Yeah, that's right. In 2002 the dems were challenged, and failed. By and large. But to be fair, so was the country. We had to stand up and say no, and take the heat, because it was right. I myself think I should have done more.
What bothers me about dissing the Dems who blew that vote is not so much that they blew it, but that I let them. Bitching does no good. We have to work to make sure that the party becomes one that won't make that mistake again.
The alternative is ineffectual whining, and I'm not into that.
I do think
gosh, steve, I am ashamed to say I haven't even looked... I had to swear off
the Van and kate mailing lists and the like a couple of years ago to increase my
political junkie activities online.
NMRed | Email | 11.12.05 - 12:49 am | #
Me neither....I'm just assuming
that because she's not "fashionable"
in the way that she used to be,
and not as "young" as she used
to be, a major label would have
dropped her after twelve years.
I mean she is a woman, and an
original.
Hell, look what happened to Fiona
Apple.
I'll do the research and get back....
What I have to do now is go back and touch my grassroots
I thought Jeb did that for her.
What's this crap about impeachment? You have at least another year before that's even a possibility.
A year is long enough to hang the Left with the necessary liabilities.
Kate Bush: apparently Britain's biggest stoner. Ordered hash in wall-brick size blocks.
Michael Steele will win easily, because I expect a large number of African-American voters to vote for Steele, instead of for Ben Cardin, who cannot relate to their problems
Thers:
ineffectual whining, and I'm not into that.
Hee hee.
Hilariously, I do believe that Toby is now on the Marines' will-call list.
jdw: sorry, itchy trigger-finger tonight.
pseudonymous in nc"
no prob...sorry, that made no sense at all! didn't look before posting..
"anybody who backs off from bush gets devoured by the rabid jackals they call their base."
I'm referring to the base...as been noted many times he could rape a goat on the WH lawn and they'd still follow him.
I don't know how rove,et al did it, but that's gotta be one of the biggest political accomplishments I've ever seen...total loyalty to an idiot..
Thers has it right. We're all to blame. Certainly the opposition geared up a bit more by the time war rolled around, but it was pretty meek from all fronts before the IWR
Btw, Toby?
You're a cunt. Fuck off.
Exsqueese me...????? I don't have cable; are you shittin' me?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 12:51 am | #
No I'm not....Charles Krauthammer
(R-Batshit Insane Bitter Piece of
Shit) is taking it very, very
seriously.
Remember, pseudo, vulgarity is no substitute for wit.
Toby, of course, is stupid and ugly and nobody likes him.
steve simels: No I'm not....Charles Krauthammer
(R-Batshit Insane Bitter Piece of
Shit) is taking it very, very
seriously.
W-O-fuckin'-W... 's'all I can say!
.
Oh joy, the Little Sociopath(TM)
is here, pretending that his posts
will ever be mistaken for after
dinner conversation by Noel Coward.
Remember, pseudo, vulgarity is no substitute for wit.
You're fucked doubletime then, dumbass.
We had to stand up and say no, and take the heat, because it was right. I myself think I should have done more.
marched. wrote. agitated. short lying down on the runway at andrews air force base to keep the transports from taking off, don't now what else i could have done.
but i didn't do enough, either. i don't know what "enough" could have been.
We have to work to make sure that the party becomes one that won't make that mistake again.
I agree. And I think a lot of us who more or less equated Dem with 'good guy' had our eyes opened by that vote. I know I'll never be willing to settle for a careerist or DINO again.
Diane Feinstein could be my first victim.
Kate Bush: apparently Britain's biggest stoner.
could we break off a few bricks and send it to the long list of female singer songwriters who aren't fit to kiss Kate's hem?
I mean, come on now, she wrote the perfect song about "wuthering fuckin' heights"...
Certainly the opposition geared up a bit more by the time war rolled around, but it was pretty meek from all fronts before the IWR
But the product launch was in September 2002 (one year anniversary of 9/11) and the IWR was a month later.
That's a pretty fucking short time-frame to organise an opposition, especially when the warmongers spent all summer coming up with it.
Remember, pseudo, vulgarity is no substitute for wit.
I don't waste wit on cunts like you, Toby.
I respect Toby less than hat and cog who have neither consciences nor brains. Toby's no genius or moral beacon, but he's not the intellectual bankrupt moral cretins that some of our trolls are. He knows what he needs to do, but he won't.
It looks like the Tobyhanna speech is going to be pivotal.
There was nothing to be gained from attacking Iraq that could not have been obtained by more peaceful means, and that includes the problem of WMD's as well as the problem of oil payments, euros or dollars. These people just wanted to go to war.
Bush won't be impeached, any Republican to consider that will lose his job, because Republican voters know that the terrorists want us to remove Bush
Ordered hash in wall-brick size blocks.
she gets cooler and cooler.
Noel Coward? Interesting reference, Simels.
pseud,
indeed. We're all to blame, but to a great degree the pre-IWR blame is understandable. It was one month.
Why don't Democrats come out for the legalization of marihuana? They can start with the economic arguments and then move their way down to the groovy ones.
because Republican voters know that the terrorists want us to remove Bush
toby's neither seen nor read a coward play, of course
Bush won't be impeached, any Republican to consider that will lose his job, because Republican voters know that the terrorists want us to remove Bush
al Qaeda wants us to remove the guy who can't or won't catch Osama.
I believe it!
.
The Little Sociopath(TM) is not
uneducated, and not stupid.
He is, however, a sicko with
a depraved indifference to human
misery, and a stone racist.
He's also incapable of anything
resembling logic.
He should really run for public
office.
I mean, come on now, she wrote the perfect song about "wuthering fuckin' heights"...
NMRed
Pat Benatar did a version.
albeit in a very circumspect manner. re: zogby and the impeachment poll
since he will probably be accused of treason if he's too explicit about it. i don't see chimpo suffering that till after 06, if at all. the proceedings will take so long that by then he'll mostly be done fuck'n up the world. thanx, freds of america. dumbass morons.
"They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us -- they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis.
"And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Fuck them."
Thers has it right. We're all to blame.
Excuse me?????
The POTUS is the Commander-in-Chief. The POTUS can send our military off to fight somewhere. Congress cannot.
And last I checked, neither could you or I.
Even if the whole entire U.S. of A. had been calling for Hussein's head on a platter, it was still up to Bushiebaby to send the troops.The buck stops with him.
Not me. Or Thers. Or anyone else.
[humpf]
(((Jeffraham and Curly!!!)))
Pat Benatar did a version.
Marcia Brady ? | 11.12.05 - 12:59 am | #
I did not know that.
Interesting......
What is it that I need to do? Are you setting me up for a big "Fuck off"?
I walked right into that one.
"Thers has it right. We're all to blame. Certainly the opposition geared up a bit more by the time war rolled around, but it was pretty meek from all fronts before the IWR
Atrios"
i think it points to a longer term problem with dems...it wasn't just the war. in the past 25 years i've seen precious little bravery, standing strong..it's all about triangulation, finding the middle, blahblah..it ain't like the dems start with the far left position and bargain to the middle, it's more like they start in the middle and bargain to the right...it's been a disaster for the party, long ter,
...
One reason you people aren't going to make this into your own Viet Nam is that our military are voluntary services. You don't have even a fraction of the emotional appeal that your hippie ancestors did because you cannot scare the parents with the notion of a draft.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 12:50 am | #
I rarely if ever engage trolls, but that is utter fucking undiluted horseshit.
I have a son who is 17 and I can assure you that I am, as are a significant number of my contemporaries, (Texans mind you) terrified that they will reinstate a draft. Specifically because we know that this war is illegal, unjustified and has been prosecuted for reasons 180* opposite to the stated objectives of this assministration.
We are politically aware, we vote, and we comprise an increasing number of people who would like to see the Chimperor et al vacationing at The Hague.
you live in Austin, and if you would ever come out of granny's basement, Toby you might find that the wind has changed.
the terrorists want us to remove Bush
Sure, they want to remove the biggest boost to their cause in decades.
Also, remember that the first Blair dossier came out on September 24th, 2002 -- the one with all the massaged language that took out caveats and fudged distinctions.
This was a very co-ordinated sell on both sides of the pond. And looking back... well, if Blair doesn't end his life with the long hair and haunted expression of LBJ, then he's truly a moral leper.
Assholes.
You and the dems are the only ones lying. EVERYONE agreed with the assertion that Saddam had andor planed to renew his WMD
So go to fucking hell, I'm sick of your bullshit.
think I'll put on 'the whole story' and groove to the Kate for a while, be back after I fire up the old steam driven lader disc player
I might have seen a Coward play. Did they ever make any movies of them?
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! & Mikey! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
I feel as if I let you down by not having the DVcam in hand when Curly invaded the glassware cupboard, earlier.
.
That's a pretty fucking short time-frame to organise an opposition,
and we put millions in the streets and poured all the pressure we could on our ineffective gov't reps. what else could we have done?
i'm not making exuses - i genuinely want to know. odds are we're going to need to do this again.
especially when the warmongers spent all summer coming up with it.
pseudonymous in nc
The warmongers had been working on the plan for 10 years. We had no chance to work up an effective opposition -- one that would have stopped the war -- in a few months.
What I wish we had done was work up *enough* opposition that 'the Democrats supported the war, too' couldn't have been used to silence us in 2004.
SHG, you know very well that basements are rare here in Central Texas.
I've never seen such a bunch of people who only want to kick it with the ad hominems. There's never any interest in arguing.
Why is that?
but i didn't do enough, either. i don't know what "enough" could have been
No, me either.
I think it all goes back to the Clinton impeachment nonsense, though. That's when the country's true potential for going nuts got started.
All right. I bought the Tom Tomorrow treasury because I think Dan Perkins is a funny, smart guy, and he turned me on to blogging, and I respect him no end.
But I look at his 1990 cartoons, and I see that he fell into a trap, and so did I. We missed the point of the impeachment mess and let it become a "oh, I'm so sick of both sides" thing. That though was a cultural power grab, a shameless assault on the high points where political truth is established -- even if most of the public disagrees.
We were left flat-footed in 02 because we didn't fight the real battles of the 90s right.
I'm not being totally clear here, but maybe i explain it better later...
Pat Benatar did a version.
I did not know that.
Interesting......
steve simels
Quite nice. She had/has a hell of a voice.
Which reminds me of the article that Tweety has been focusing on, the Queen Judy piece on IRAQI NUKES published on September 8th 2002.
That was the product launch. And the Blair dossier served a similar purpose -- a supposed authoritative third party that could be used to bash critics.
Damn, those fuckers were good.
Bush won't be impeached, any Republican to consider that will lose his job, because Republican voters know that the terrorists want us to remove Bush
Fred Eper | 11.12.05 - 12:57 am
A lot of them will lose their jobs anyway. Impeachment won't come into play until after November 2006.
No I'm not....Charles Krauthammer
(R-Batshit Insane Bitter Piece of
Shit) is taking it very, very
seriously.
The Reptiles are waking up and smelling the handwriting on the wall, which is easy 'cause Junior daubed it up there in his own shit...
Toby, you don't have the slightest idea of what an "argument" is and merely deserve contempt. You make ludicrous assertions -- period.
Of course there's gonna be a draft.
Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn't
plumbed the full depravity of
the Bushies.
They have countries to invade,
and just using theater nukes won't
cut it.
IMHO.
Oh come on, guys. We've been doing war ever since we abandoned the Mother Goddess 6000 years ago. What is it -- 6 wars every decade for the past 6000 years? And none AT ALL before then? Get real! We've all been hoodwinked by male deity. It's time to return to Mother deity -- for the sake of men as well as women. Human beings aren't smart enough yet to live without religion. And we need to choose a religion that will nurture us -- not lead us to the edge of extinction.
because Republican voters know that the terrorists want us to remove Bush
Fred Eper
Now that's the funniest thing he's ever said.
Newsflash Freddie -- Bush is the best recruiting tool the terra'ists could ever dream up. Some of that Repuke cash you're so damn proud of prolly started out in Osama's bank account.
Yes Toby I can see this scenario
Dear Sir or Madam, we regret to inform you that your child was killed in action today. If it makes you feel any better, he or she knew what they were getting into. They accepted that their leaders may or may not have been fucking sane enough to place your child in harm's way for justifiable purposes. Have a nice day!
There's never any interest in arguing.
Why is that?
Because you never show any interest in acting on your beliefs?
Hard to take you seriously, cuntboy.
During the runup to the war, I had a gig at the school district administration building. In this very Red part of a Red State, a lot of ex-military work there. These folks hated Bill and Hillary Clinton almost to an fanatical degree. But they were all freely saying that it was obvious that the Iraq war was complete bullshit. Huge mistake.
I bet they still voted for Bush, though.
I might have seen a Coward play.
We get to see one whenever you post.
but i didn't do enough, either. i don't know what "enough" could have been.
dan mcenroe
there is nothing you could have done. nothing. didn't you get the memo? "9/11 changed everything". and dick wanted his war.
dollars to donuts he's not all that upset about how badly it's going either.
SHG, you know very well that basements are rare here in Central Texas.
I've never seen such a bunch of people who only want to kick it with the ad hominems. There's never any interest in arguing.
Why is that?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 1:03 am
There's never any interest in arguing with you. That's because it's like shooting dish in a barrel, to use an earlier trollogism.
"The warmongers had been working on the plan for 10 years. We had no chance to work up an effective opposition -- one that would have stopped the war -- in a few months."
I think it could have been different if the dems woulda been agressive instead of passive right after 911. I mean, this was the biggest fuckup ever...the warning signs were there but the fucking chimp was on vacation and blew it all off. Had Gore been the potus on 911, the goopers woulda had impeachment on the table within 2 weeks.
instead, the dems confused patriotic support with total capitulation. they gave the chimp everything, no questions asked. that was cowardly, and wrong, and bad for the country.
because Republican voters know that the terrorists want us to remove Bush
Fred Eper
Because Republican voters know that
the Vietcong want us to remove
Nixon.
What's your point, moran?
Noel Coward's best role, of course, was in the original (and best) version of The Italian Job, dearies.
We were left flat-footed in 02 because we didn't fight the real battles of the 90s right.
I'm not being totally clear here, but maybe i explain it better later...
Thers
No, that's perfect. It was easy to go with the "perjury" issue, while not realizing the millions of dollars spent to find anything on Clinton, as well as the special prosecutor who had, apparently, unlimited leeway.
have to sleep now. it's been fun. sleep well good people.
You and the dems are the only ones lying. EVERYONE agreed with the assertion that Saddam had andor planed to renew his WMD
No.
ONLY the Bush administration:
--made a claim about nukes. Nobody else believed that, and the claim was always preposterous.
--made a claim about a potential AQ connection. Nobody ever seriously believed that, except when they were shown intelligence we KNOW the administration KNEW was idiotic.
--ever implied a 9/11 connection, as the administration repeatedly and dishonestly did.
You loons have nothing.
goodnight batses
and remember trolls, like piles of shit, only stink more when you poke 'em.
I might have seen a Coward play.
We get to see one whenever you post.
pseudonymous in nc | 11.12.05 - 1:06 am | #
LOL!
I'm not worthy!!!!!!
You and the dems are the only ones lying. EVERYONE agreed with the assertion that Saddam had andor planed to renew his WMD
how do you come by this knowledge? i did not agree now one of my brother's friend is dead...
Thers, I know it's a month-and-a-half late, but I posted the rest of the peewee soccer pics.
Also the rest of the Liberal Mountain pics.
And it only took me a month and a half!
Okay, that's my cue for sleep as
well.
steve simels, I just listened to both versions, and I like Benatar's better, but of course that's the one I'm used to. Very fraught, dramatic.
night bats...
You and the dems are the only ones lying. EVERYONE agreed with the assertion that Saddam had andor planed to renew his WMD
Hell, even Tommy Franks thought the freaks in the White House Iraq Group had fucking lost their marbles. Especially Rumsfeld and Feith.
And it only took me a month and a half!
Eli
Busy boy! I thought you'd crashed.
and so to bed.
SHG, you know very well that basements are rare here in Central Texas.
I've never seen such a bunch of people who only want to kick it with the ad hominems. There's never any interest in arguing.
Why is that?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 1:03 am | #
you provided us with your address at one time last year and if I recall correctly you live down on Manchaca. There is plenty of topsoil there for a basement.
The reason that people don't argue with you Toby is that your reasoning is specious and solopcist. You don't have the synapse power of a late December firefly.
Busy boy! I thought you'd crashed.
Nah, it's the weekend, I'll be up a bit longer.
You need anything while I'm up?
dollars to donuts he's not all that upset about how badly it's going either.
charley | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 1:07 am
Looks to me as though Bushiebaby is totally bewildered by the growing negativity regarding the war in Iraq.
He really thinks everything is fine.
Eli, those are fraking fantastic! especially this one.
that kid cracks me up.
Kick not against the pricks.
Eli, those are fraking fantastic! especially this one.
Heh. I like the Thinker-y one after it.
Eli, those are fraking fantastic! especially this one.
Stonehenge Giant!
Sure, SHG. All things are knowable. All rewards require risk. You are not immune to this logic.
sorry for the wet blanket... but i had refrained a long time...and this is real- and commander coward still exhorts the flying keyboards-
fuck...
instead, the dems confused patriotic support with total capitulation. they gave the chimp everything, no questions asked. that was cowardly, and wrong, and bad for the country.
jdw
As much as I detest the modern Democratic characteristics of triangulation, spinelessness and poll testing every breath -- that was pretty classic modern politics until the neocons came to power.
Newt Gingrich started it in 1994 and our biggest mistake was not realizing then, and especially after the Clinton impeachment, just how much everything *had* changed.
Compromise, and going along to get along, which had been the gold standard in Washington for 50 years, was completely gone -- as if it had never been.
One thing the Bush experience has done is wake up even the most clueless Dem to that fact.
You need anything while I'm up?
Eli
Whadya got?
I actually thought about you the other day (don't get creeped out) when I was in Astoria Park. The view of Hell's Gate and the Queensborough Bridge, with the city across the water -- that's what I'd photograph if I could take pictures.
Sure, SHG. All things are knowable. All rewards require risk. You are not immune to this logic.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 1:16 am | #
so now you are going to resort to bad fortune cookie quotes?
My fortunes aren't so bad.
Ladies!
In case you haven't heard:
“Liberal Fascism” Author Jonah Goldberg Now L.A. Times Op-Ed Columnist
In case you haven't heard:
“Liberal Fascism” Author Jonah Goldberg Now L.A. Times Op-Ed Columnist
Sure, SHG. All things are knowable. All rewards require risk. You are not immune to this logic.
You are, quite simply, completely socially maladjusted and rock fucking stupid. Get help, son. The reasons you can't get laid are identical to the reasons that you post here and don't really know why.
This isn't really an insult. More a diagnosis.
One thing the Bush experience has done is wake up even the most clueless Dem to that fact.
Oh, there are still a whole lot of clueless Dems who *still* haven't woken up. Or else they know, and are just completely co-opted.
Whadya got?
I'm out of Dr Pepper (alas!), but I have Co-Cola, cider, iced tea, and pineapple-orange-banana juice. And, um, some vanilla soy milk.
I actually thought about you the other day (don't get creeped out) when I was in Astoria Park. The view of Hell's Gate and the Queensborough Bridge, with the city across the water -- that's what I'd photograph if I could take pictures.
NYC is a very photogenic city. Have never been to Queens with camera in hand, though. You may have to give me a guided tour someday or something.
that kid cracks me up.
Thers
I like the one of him sitting on the rocks.
Did he build the mini-stonehenge?
that kid cracks me up.
Thers
He looks so serious.
Did he build the mini-stonehenge?
Nah, it was already there. He was more into throwing rocks than stacking them.
Kick not against the pricks.
Toby Petzold
For they know not what they do.
Marcia, we go back to Bayside frequently & I have lots of old haunts about Woodside. We'll be back about T'giving and we'd love to take you out for a dinner and snarkfest. Email me or Mary if you'll be around & would dig that.
Liberal Fascism” Author Jonah Goldberg Now L.A. Times Op-Ed Columnist
JT
They got rid of Robert Scheer to make room for Doughy Pantload?
Well, so much for thinking the LA Times was one of the last of the 'good media'.
So go to fucking hell, I'm sick of your bullshit.
club Gitmo
but 2500 dead (i know, but soon enuf), and a threefold increase of terrorism around the globe, you're ok with that?
no, fuck you. my daughter has to grow up in this world that your idiot frat boy king has so egregiously screwed up. he reacted exactly as osama hoped he would. too fuck'n stupid to live.
well, when you start reacting to the insane it's time to take off. so peace to all sane people here. looks like america may be waking up. nightmares 'll do that.
NYC is a very photogenic city. Have never been to Queens with camera in hand, though. You may have to give me a guided tour someday or something.
Eli
Or something.
Lena (may baby) keeps taking textury pics with her camera phone. I may have to wait tables so I can spring for a decent camera for her.
This isn't really an insult. More a diagnosis.
Thers
I thought you had to be a Republican Senator before you could do long-distance diagnosis.
He looks so serious.
Yeah, usually. Right when he's explaining something bizarre, typically -- today it was something about why dragons could be real if they weren't fake. He's an oddly logical little person.
we go back to Bayside frequently & I have lots of old haunts about Woodside. We'll be back about T'giving and we'd love to take you out for a dinner and snarkfest. Email me or Mary if you'll be around & would dig that.
Thers
Cool. Will the kids be along?
Barbie's got a book, and a nice butt too! Nothing beat's a brunette in a pinstriped Calvin Klein.
Lena (may baby) keeps taking textury pics with her camera phone. I may have to wait tables so I can spring for a decent camera for her.
So it's not just a whim, then? She's actually taking pictures already?
Kick not against the pricks.
Toby Petzold
asshole
I thought you had to be a Republican Senator before you could do long-distance diagnosis.
"Toby = sociopath who frightens women" doesn't require anything more than basic algebra, never mind trig.
He's an oddly logical little person.
Thers
A good liberal realist in the making!!
Cool. Will the kids be along?
Hee hee. It's not like any relatives are clamoring to take them off our hands. So yeah.
So it's not just a whim, then? She's actually taking pictures already?
Eli
Yes, she's had this obsession with a church down in the Village. But I don't know how long this particular interest will last.
I told her to talk to the photog teacher at her school to find out his requirements.
Speaking of Mary -- I haven't seen her all day.
"Toby = sociopath who is frightened by women"
Kick not against the pricks.
Toby Petzold
What's the matter Toby...your shins getting bruised?
Flory--if you can imagine me actually almost shrieking at the supervising editor--well, that's what happened earlier this evening.
Apparently eliminating Robert Scheer's column has created a great deal of anger.
Hee hee. It's not like any relatives are clamoring to take them off our hands. So yeah.
Thers
Your older daughter is 14ish, right? It would be interesting to get her together with Lena.
How long will you be here?
I haven't seen her all day.
Me either. Work, the 15-year-old's dance, a promised trip to Chuck E Cheese, assorted errands and crap... we live in the same house and mostly meet on the Atrios comments threads...
I told her to talk to the photog teacher at her school to find out his requirements.
Cool.
If you go the film route, I'm no expert, but I can tell you that a dumb ol' manual SLR with a match-needle meter is just fine. That's all I used for about 10-15 years, and it served me well. The fancy automatic stuff isn't really all that essential.
marcia, she's 15 -- through the t'giving week-end. maybe a Sat'day or Sun'day brunch? Astoria diner greek pastry... ummmm....
The worm is turning, perhaps will fully turn soon?
Hopefully, for the Republic's (and decency's) sake.
Great, now we have the wingnuts trying to keep HPV vaccine from our daughters. What a load of crap.
she's 15 -- through the t'giving week-end. maybe a Sat'day or Sun'day brunch? Astoria diner greek pastry... ummmm....
Thers
I hope so. My family is flaky, so they show up and expect entertainment on short notice, and I would not subject you to that.
I like this quote (via Power Line) from Pincus and Milbank today:
The administration's overarching point is true: Intelligence agencies overwhelmingly believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and very few members of Congress from either party were skeptical about this belief before the war began in 2003. Indeed, top lawmakers in both parties were emphatic and certain in their public statements.
If the President invaded Iraq knowing that there were no WMDS, it was smarter to do it then when the troops would not be in such danger than it would be later when the likelihood of there being WMD would have been greater.
It was never an argument about imminence; it was about potential and intention.
Great, now we have the wingnuts trying to keep HPV vaccine from our daughters. What a load of crap.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 1:36 am |
Good evening Sallyh, how are things in your neck of the woods?
The fancy automatic stuff isn't really all that essential.
Eli
I just hate having no experience so I don't know how to choose for her. I just want something that is just challenging enough that she doesn't get bored.
marched. wrote. agitated. short lying down on the runway at andrews air force base to keep the transports from taking off, don't now what else i could have done.
but i didn't do enough, either. i don't know what "enough" could have been.
Nothing would have been enough, so don't feel any guilt. I did lie down, actually. In my very first demonstration ever, and nobody ran over me either.
SHG--other than hating wingnuts trying to impinge upon science and maligning the LAT, things are quite fine, thank you.
Why is Thersites continuing to attack me personally? Isn't anyone embarrassed for him?
Astoria diner greek pastry... ummmm....
Thers
Have you ever been to Omonia's? On Broadway in Astoria?
Good stuff. Cute, unpaid waitresses.
Lena (may baby) keeps taking textury pics with her camera phone
Textury pics with a camera phone don't warrant a $1500 SLR setup, no matter how much Eli want it.
She can do that with any digi-cam that has manual settings.
I'm just sayin' because I have a jillion-dollar oboe under my bed that hasn't been played in 25 years.
Don't some Senators have all the clearances from the a to the z?
marcia -- play it by ear? We'll say that Sat or Sun after t-day we'll take you and your flock to an Astoria diner with good pastry. OK? We can seal the deal later. Consider this an invite.
I just hate having no experience so I don't know how to choose for her. I just want something that is just challenging enough that she doesn't get bored.
Well, an all-manual camera is pretty challenging, I guess. Although it might not be so hot for action shots.
Spotmatics, which are no-frills but I can absolutely vouch for, are available on eBay.
play it by ear? We'll say that Sat or Sun after t-day we'll take you and your flock to an Astoria diner with good pastry. OK? We can seal the deal later. Consider this an invite.
Thers
Wonderful.
I suppose the worst moment in these faux-fear years was when a doc walked into my office, showed me his stash of cipro for his family, and left. Didn't offer me a single pill.
If the President invaded Iraq knowing that there were no WMDS, it was smarter to do it then when the troops would not be in such danger than it would be later when the likelihood of there being WMD would have been greater.
Get. Help. You. Moron.
Textury pics with a camera phone don't warrant a $1500 SLR setup, no matter how much Eli want it.
Hey, it was NTodd and SWR who kept trotting out the fancy cameras - I was trying to stay in the
It was never an argument about imminence; it was about potential and intention.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 1:37 am | #
No, It was about imperialism, greed, stupidity, deception, greed, hegemony, greed, arrogance, greed, oil, and a few million other worthless reasons.
Toby have you ever taken any classes in rhetoric? Do you have any clue who Kenneth Burke is?
Sorry, meant to say, available *cheap* on eBay. Like, sub-$100 cheap. Although some of the cheaper ones might have, shall we say, "as-is" caveats or dodgy sellers.
Don't some Senators have all the clearances from the a to the z?
Yeah, but they're not in control of who's doing the clearing & why.
...stay in the sub-$200 range. Damn Haloscan.
Troll, fuck you and your ilk, another mother has lost her precious child, just like a score of Iraqi moms have lost their children... for your SUVS and for cheney's portfolio
so what bush is saying is that not only do i admit gay prostitutes in the Lincoln bedroom for the amusement of purdy scottie, but i hired a neapolitan con man to incompetently forge an instantly refutable dossier then sent it to tenet, who brought it to him in his teeth while on all fours. and the amurkin people will still love me for it.
Why any of you wonderful people still talk to the village idiot is beyond me.
That said, how is everyone this fine evening?
Why is Thersites continuing to attack me personally?
It's not an attack. It's a recommendation for you to achieve mental health. Quit trolling and get a therapist. There's a reason you're so lonely, stupid, and trolling here isn't going to help you.
Apparently eliminating Robert Scheer's column has created a great deal of anger.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
I saw your earlier post on the subject. Just removing Scheer is bad enough -- but replacing him with Pantload?
That's just pure fucking evil.
...stay in the sub-$200 range. Damn Haloscan.
Eli
You were. I can vouch for you.
Here:
http://community.webshots.com/
ph...246508358jJkVTm
and
http://community.webshots.com/
ph...246497888XehLEH
You could do much better..
Sallyh, glad to hear you are well. I don't get to blog during the week as my computer doesn't access them due to the gorgon of a net nanny that my District uses...but come the weekend el esposo becomes a blog-widower. I come here to recharge and talk to people who have an IQ well above a comfortable room temperature....save for Toby.
and, please, if this hasn't been already noted, Laurence Silberman is a MAJOR villain and will do everything he can to protect Bush and the GOP.
That said, how is everyone this fine evening?
Central Scrutinizer
I'm currently freezing. Yourself?
You could do much better..
Or have fun trying. A nice deep blue sky with fluffy clouds would help, especially if the the sun is behind me so the sky doesn't get blown out.
Isn't anyone embarrassed for him?
Toby Petzold
No. Enjoy the hell out of it actually.
I'm currently freezing. Yourself?
Marcia Brady
How about a nice hot toddy?
Central--I'm doing well; I'm not talking to the village idiots
Marcia B:
Don't sell yourself short. Those are some wonderful shots, especially the Triborough bridge.
Sometimes, I think the Left's biggest problem is that we're just too damn decent.
See, it would never even occur to me to eat a live baby.
We really have a long way to go.[/dry]
A nice deep blue sky with fluffy clouds would help, especially if the the sun is behind me so the sky doesn't get blown out.
Eli
It was absolutely perfect yesterday. Except the wind made me felt as though I had been beaten.
For a DSLR which is kinda advanced but will never be boring, go with the Nikon D70s kit, prob $800 online. Very rugged and endlessly expandable. For a budget beginner whiling to learn try the Kodak 7590, a little slow but better than most, and not boring. I use mine allot. Maybe $300 if you shop around (w/dock). The review are a bitch to wade through. I've bought them for all my relatives and they like the big Kodak best. 'cept for the astronomer, who wanted unlimited exposure time.
Marcia Brady,
It's lovely here, 60 some degrees with some rain coming in a few hours. This is the warmest November I can remember. Hell, we haven't even had a freeze yet, I still have tomato plants that are producing fruit.
How about a nice hot toddy?
Hrmf.
He's not even around, even.
Don't sell yourself short. Those are some wonderful shots, especially the Triborough bridge.
prof fate
No, no, not me. Just found them online. I am not allowed around cameras.
That said, how is everyone this fine evening?
Central Scrutinizer | Email | 11.12.05 - 1:48 am | #
Been up since 5:45, taught 6 sections of Theater Arts to unwilling, appallingly behaved hick Jr. High students. Got off at 3:45, drove 120 miles home, and still it is over 70* outside. What's worse, GWB is not taking that Hague vacation anytime soon. How are you doing CS?
Hi Sallyh!
How's things?
For a DSLR which is kinda advanced but will never be boring, go with the Nikon D70s kit, prob $800 online.
I can't think of very many things I would invest $800 in for my 14-yr-old to abuse and learn on...
For a budget beginner whiling to learn try the Kodak 7590, a little slow but better than most, and not boring.
Wow, I didn't even know there was anything that SLR-ish for that low a price. TigerDirect has it for $279, and they're not too dodgy at all.
Flory--you know that I'm a quiet person. This was the loudest I'd let anyone have it in I don't know how long.
I plan to call Jeffrey Johnson, the publisher, who is responsible for these changes. He cares nothing for our city and the people who live in it. I'm tired of the propaganda rag this paper has become. This is my city and it deserves better.
He's not even around, even.
Eli
Did I *say* Ntoddy?
No, no I didn't.
Central--does this mean you have to throw rocks tomorrow?
How about a nice hot toddy?
flory
No, now the heat's coming back on.
Last year, the steam froze the windows shut. It was tropical in here.
That 7590 looks like a hell of a deal, at least in terms of features. Dunno if it has any achilles' heels like crap battery life or picture quality or flash.
SHG,
I'm doing fine. Should be sleeping so tommorow doesn't feel like today did, but what the hell.
It sounds like your day was busier than mine.
SHG--I teach mostly city kids. I like it that way.
Nikons are more eighteen and up but it deserved a mention. It will be a good cam ten years from now, and there ain't many who can say that.
I'm tired of the propaganda rag this paper has become. This is my city and it deserves better.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
And there really used to be two decent papers in this state -- the Times and the San Jose Merc.
Now we have one. (OK -- One and a half -- The Sacto Bee has its moments)
You'd really think a state with 35 million people could support more than one decent paper.
Did I *say* Ntoddy?
No, no I didn't.
You were thinking it. I could tell.
HELLO
everyone is FORGETTING the most important point
is was only RIGHT AFTER the senate vote that Administration revealed the North Korean has probably built a nuclear bomb. which would have blown away all the Saddam MIGHT have WMD so we need to invade arguments
le samourai
alain delon.
no swords.
jpmelville[a nom de cinema]'s best.
released recently by criterion.
dig it.
No, now the heat's coming back on.
How the hell do you sleep with such temperature swings?
Nikons are more eighteen and up but it deserved a mention. It will be a good cam ten years from now, and there ain't many who can say that.
Love my Nikon D70, but am totally drooling over the D200. I will own one someday, oh yes.
Central--does this mean you have to throw rocks tomorrow?
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
I might, it's not a sure thing. Even if I don't, there's plenty for me to do around here. I'm trying to get a new pond done before winter and I really need to get busy.
How the hell do you sleep with such temperature swings?
flory
It eventually evens out. I usually just leave my windows open.
And don't sleep.
The near-30-year friendship? I declare it to be over.
He says he's wasting his time, so I asked him simply, "Don't call. Don't e-mail. Don't bother. Have a nice life."
Done!
.
You were thinking it. I could tell.
Eli
He's gonna keep anybody warm, its gonna be me, not Marcia.
We spend $44 billion a year on intelligence, but the President takes us to war based on the word of known liars, drunks, and embezzlers - and obviously phony documents.
..
And don't sleep.
Marcia Brady
That would work.
OMG -- Gigot has Chalabi on!
Apoplexy ensues!
.
He's gonna keep anybody warm, its gonna be me, not Marcia.
flory
You're much more selfish than I remember. You're already getting the Eli timeshare after Christmas.
That 7590 looks like a hell of a deal, at least in terms of features. Dunno if it has any achilles' heels like crap battery life or picture quality or flash.
Battery real good, flash OK, hot shoe is cable plug not standard top mount though. I love mine, actually focuses quickly in dark and dim with IR, then takes brilliant color with flash. I always hated digitals that would take forever to focus in bad light.
He's gonna keep anybody warm, its gonna be me, not Marcia.
And that's supposed to make me feel better.
Jeffraham--I'm so sorry. But I could see why it had to be.
Pet that Curly cat something extra.
JP -- sorry to hear that. I take it he wasn't willing to restore your access?
ah, fishwife, please to read of your outrage.
so sad to learn that los angeles has dived into the latrine.
well,vote with your nickel. cancel your subsccription and urge all of your friends to do the same.
i can assure you, an action such as that may not resuscitate bob, but it will torpedo jeff. times mirror corp professes to care about the bottom line.
make it painful los angelenos.
venceremos & sic semper tyrannis.
Jeffraham Prestonian,
I'm about to put myself into a similar position with a guy that I've known for 15 years. I can't help that he's willfully ignorant.
Battery real good, flash OK, hot shoe is cable plug not standard top mount though. I love mine, actually focuses quickly in dark and dim with IR, then takes brilliant color with flash. I always hated digitals that would take forever to focus in bad light.
Excellent. I'll add that to my list of things I wish I had a reason to buy.
Schneider-Kreuznach lens rated excellent.
You're much more selfish than I remember. You're already getting the Eli timeshare after Christmas.
Marcia Brady
((guilt))
(severe guilt))
Ok -- since you have such heating issues, you can have him. But remember to be kind -- he's got kitty issues.
Sorry, Jeffro. Kinda saw it comin', though.
You're already getting the Eli timeshare after Christmas.
Marcia Brady
I'm sharing that timeshare with WT.
But remember to be kind -- he's got kitty issues.
flory
I'm always kind. Usually.
I'm sharing that timeshare with WT.
This is going to be the best Christmas EVER!
I'm sharing that timeshare with WT.
flory
Poor, poor, sad, pitiful Eli.
Then he won't miss me at all.
Excellent. I'll add that to my list of things I wish I had a reason to buy.
Eli
Proof of the genetic difference between girls and boys.
Needing a reason beyond mere existence to shop.
JP -- ah, what can you do. I've never broken up with a friend, tho. I'm sure you've been through worse.
Needing a reason beyond mere existence to shop.
Actually, I don't usually have that problem - but there are dollar thresholds.
sallyh, I would teach city kids if I had the opportunity. This is my first time out of the chute and I really needed to be getting on with a career and it was an "in" if you will.
I have no administrative support, no mentor, I'm not certified which in the hickvilles of TX means reatively little NCLB rules notwithstanding(4.0 in English however) teaching Theater to kids who don't see the point of learning algebra much less Theater since they plan to work on drilling rigs when they turn 16.
My brief was, and I quote the HS principal, "I don't care if you teach them Shakespear all year, just keep them busy".
This is the same person who called a Veteran's Day assembly this morning and proceeded to make very Tobyesque statements about why we are at war...fight them over there so we don't have to over here etc. However, his "logic" wasn't even as clear cut as Toby's. My husband also teaches at this school and as a Korean War Veteran, he was highly offended.
Eli, you should be taking bids!
Oh, we have a swinging, uh, apartment filled with grownups in Elmhurst after X-mas.
Wooo.
I repeat. Wooo.
(Noisemaker gives game but sad little bleat.)
Proof of the genetic difference between girls and boys.
Needing a reason beyond mere existence to shop.
To what?
Eli, you should be taking bids!
No, this is all strictly pro bono.
Oh, we have a swinging, uh, apartment filled with grownups in Elmhurst after X-mas.
I really wish I had enough vacation days to bridge the gap from Christmas, but I'm just 2 or 3 short. Sigh.
Eli, you should be taking bids!
doug
Cheez, he's already auctioned off the timeshares. What more do you want?
flory: JP -- sorry to hear that. I take it he wasn't willing to restore your access?
He said he would let me read his site, if I would sign up again with LJ, but if he's going to shut out everyone but sycophants, I have no need for access to such a site, obviously.
sallyh: Jeffraham--I'm so sorry. But I could see why it had to be.
Pet that Curly cat something extra.
He's been spoiled all day, I assure you.
Central Scrutinizer: I'm about to put myself into a similar position with a guy that I've known for 15 years. I can't help that he's willfully ignorant.
In this instance, I think what we actually have is someone intolerant of being called out on his reliance on appeal to authority in front of a group of like-minded people.
Eli: Sorry, Jeffro. Kinda saw it comin', though.
After ten months, it doesn't surprise me, or bother me, so much. I was just getting tired of him trying to re-establish contact with me with the expectation that we would not have to discuss the cause of the rift, ever. I don't operate like that. I'd have very little self-respect if I did.
.
I really wish I had enough vacation days to bridge the gap from Christmas, but I'm just 2 or 3 short. Sigh.
Eli
I'm sure you'll have lovely memories.
What more do you want?
Thinking that he sold himself too cheap.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the Knicks are not a very good basketball team.
To what?
Thers
res ipsa loquiter
So there will be no kidlets in Elmhurst?
Will you be joining us for mini-EschaCon on the 27th?
Flory--men deny shopping, but how come they bring home so much crap from Frys' and Home Depot?
Thinking that he sold himself too cheap.
Does the phrase "crazy like a fox" mean anything to you?
The near-30-year friendship? I declare it to be over.
He says he's wasting his time, so I asked him simply, "Don't call. Don't e-mail. Don't bother. Have a nice life."
Done!
.
I had one of those end two years ago. All because I didn't "support our president." Then my so-called friend invited me to leave the country.
We haven't spoken since.
In fact, this summer my ex-friend got a job working in my building and walked past me twice like I didn't exist.
Fuck it. That's not a friend. You're better off.
I'm sure you'll have lovely memories.
They'll be bittersweet.
Flory--men deny shopping, but how come they bring home so much crap from Frys' and Home Depot?
Cause those places are cursed and they make ya do it!!
sallyh -- that's not shopping. That's stocking up on supplies for survival.....or sumthin'....
Thers would prolly know.
I'm sure he meant an excuse to buy something besides clothes and shoes.
Eli, male gigalo part II. or
How I became a love slave to a crowd of liberal women and got paid for it.
They'll be bittersweet.
Eli
Just try not to get hurt. Or at least make it worth the pain.
4Legs--Frys' is cursed with too many cool toys. Home Depot is just cursed.
sally, didja see plushy earlier?
Will you be joining us for mini-EschaCon on the 27th?
Oh, I will. It is my wife who will be faithless. She may need to inflict herself on the DC contingent.
frys and homedepot. them is tools. what makes men different then apes.
Lately I'm immune to electronic toys.
It's the camera stuff that's deadly for me.
Or at least make it worth the pain.
Marcia Brady
Kinky.
sallyh, we all know that every man has to have at least five rolls of 12" wide duct tape on the floor of the pickup!
Its just soooo fucking useful.
Eli, male gigalo part II. or
How I became a love slave to a crowd of liberal women and got paid for it.
'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
Just try not to get hurt. Or at least make it worth the pain.
That's the plan. As always.
Will you be joining us for mini-EschaCon on the 27th?
I feel very left out here.
4Legs--I've clicked on Plushy's latest an embarrassingly large number of times
Eli, you should film this I've already got the title for the movie.
It's the camera stuff that's deadly for me.
fourlegsgood
Good thing you're taking lessons, then.
4Legs--I've clicked on Plushy's latest an embarrassingly large number of times
Then I have not pimped in vain.
sallyh, we all know that every man has to have at least five rolls of 12" wide duct tape on the floor of the pickup!
Its just soooo fucking useful.
I have absolutely zero macho hardware-y stuff. It's all computer and electronics stuff. The only tools I have are little mini toolkits for... working on the computer.
SHG--men tell me that duct tape and WD40 fix everything--WD40 for if it doesn't move and it should, duct tape for if it moves and it shouldn't.
Anyone who doesn't want to crush Jonah Goldberg's eyes into jelly with a Bic pen and then beat him to a bloody pulp with a Norton Anthology is no friend of mine.
sallyh, we all know that every man has to have at least five rolls of 12" wide duct tape on the floor of the pickup!
Also kinky.
Good thing you're taking lessons, then.
Now if I can just figure out how to read my expensive flash.
Or maybe I'll just photograph with natural light from now on (my preference anyhow.)
Eli, you should film this I've already got the title for the movie.
I *do* have a tripod, but I think the D70 only does video in short bursts.
I feel very left out here.
fourlegsgood
All are invited. Just be in New Yawk on the 27th.
It's all computer and electronics stuff
Good, do you know how to get rid of this little monster?
"Missing ntoskrnl.exe on startup on a win2k box."
That's the plan. As always.
Eli
I'll try to keep my mind off things by entertaining myself in FL.
I just flipped on The Journal Editorial Report to see a very dour John Fund say that, yes, the Republicans were in danger of losing Congress in 2006. Now I can go to bed with a smile.
Anyone who doesn't want to crush Jonah Goldberg's eyes into jelly with a Bic pen and then beat him to a bloody pulp with a Norton Anthology is no friend of mine.
Well, that's a relief.
Anyone who doesn't want to crush Jonah Goldberg's eyes into jelly with a Bic pen and then beat him to a bloody pulp with a Norton Anthology is no friend of mine.
Ummm, does wishing you would do it count? (the eyeball thing kind of grosses me out.) I could be persuaded to beat him with the Norton though.
I feel very left out here.
Say the word, and you can stay with us between Xmas & New Years. No shit.
WD40 for if it doesn't move and it should
White lightning paraffin lube is better.
men tell me that duct tape and WD40 fix everything--WD40 for if it doesn't move and it should, duct tape for if it moves and it shouldn't.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
Duct tape is pretty terrific.
Thers--could I use an ice pick and a rolling pin instead?
Say the word, and you can stay with us between Xmas & New Years. No shit.
Ah, you are so cool.
Me and lion kitty luvs you guys.
The only tools I have are little mini toolkits for... working on the computer.
Eli
Not a homeowner.
Homeownership requires at minimum a 14v rechargeable drill/screwdriver and a complete bit set. Plus assorted hammers, nailguns, glueguns, levels etc.
Anyone who doesn't want to crush Jonah Goldberg's eyes into jelly with a Bic pen and then beat him to a bloody pulp with a Norton Anthology is no friend of mine.
Thers
I have a bible available. Will that do?
Marcia Brady:
<Emily Litella>
Never mind...
</Emily Litella>
Well then, you have a good eye for picking other people's photos. Which tells me you ought to be allowed around a camera -- particularly nowadays, when the things are so automated they just about take the picture for you.
(Back OT) Besides the obvious political calculation, there's another factor that I'll bet was on the politicians' minds at the time, one that so far I haven't seen anyone mention: The Al Qaeda wildcard.
I'm not talking about any putative links to Iraq, but what would have been the likely political fallout if the Dems had managed to derail Georgie's war -- or at least made a bitter fight of it -- and there had been another attack like the Twin Towers, or worse.
Can you imagine what the Right would have made of that? Hell, the Dems in Congress would have been lucky to escape with their lives, much less the extinction of the party.
Cowardly? Yes, but remember: Al Qaeda's capabilities were an unknown quantity. The more uncertainties in a situation, the easier it is to justify going along with the more assertive side, no matter how idiotic the leaders or the plan. Most politicians just don't have the kind of courage needed to stand firm against what was in essence a national lynch mob.
Anyway, it's way too late at night to try being coherent.
'Nite, Mondfledermausen.
Anyone who doesn't want to crush Jonah Goldberg's eyes into jelly with a Bic pen and then beat him to a bloody pulp with a Norton Anthology is no friend of mine.
Are you some kind of pacifist or something?
"Missing ntoskrnl.exe on startup on a win2k box."
Have you seen this? Looks like it might have something to do with boot partitions.
http://forums.pcworld.co.nz/arch...hp/t-
34985.html
Bush lied about lying us into a war using troops as props on Veterens day.
Jesus H. Christ. Does it get any more pathetic then that?
beat him to a bloody pulp with a Norton Anthology is no friend of mine.
Thers
Why would I want to ruin a perfectly good Norton anthology?
How about a library copy of Maglaglalangagangs latest?
Homeownership requires at minimum a 14v rechargeable drill/screwdriver and a complete bit set. Plus assorted hammers, nailguns, glueguns, levels etc.
My drill isn't rechargeable, but I'll got everything else.
Homeownership requires at minimum a 14v rechargeable drill/screwdriver and a complete bit set. Plus assorted hammers, nailguns, glueguns, levels etc.
table saw,
radial saw,
drill press,
lathes (several, in several sizes)
and that is just the basics.
Thers--could I use an ice pick and a rolling pin instead?
Yes. But then you would owe me some Bailey's.
I can't bend the rules too far.
Homeownership requires at minimum a 14v rechargeable drill/screwdriver and a complete bit set. Plus assorted hammers, nailguns, glueguns, levels etc.
flory
Well, I have the drill/screwdriver, some bits, a hammer, a gluegun, a level, and a big metal measuring tape, but live in an apartment. Am I a boy?
sallyh, we all know that every man has to have at least five rolls of 12" wide duct tape on the floor of the pickup!
Its just soooo fucking useful.
That's so unfair, duct tape comes in colors now. So you gotta get blue, black, yellow, red, green and grey.
Have you seen this? Looks like it might have something to do with boot partitions.
Why would you want to partition your boots?
How will your feet fit in there?
Not a homeowner.
Homeownership requires at minimum a 14v rechargeable drill/screwdriver and a complete bit set. Plus assorted hammers, nailguns, glueguns, levels etc.
And this is *why* I'm not a homeowner. I just can't get into any of that stuff.
table saw,
radial saw,
drill press,
lathes (several, in several sizes)
Ack. No wonder I don't own a house.
Ah, you are so cool.
Me and lion kitty luvs you guys.
Any moment, a chara, you're home with us.
Thersites--you drink that Baileys without whiskey? What's wrong with you?
Have you seen this? Looks like it might have something to do with boot partitions.
OK, you confirmed my suspicions. Was getting ready to just blast the boot drive into random bits then start over with an unsullied one.
Fre(d)eper, Toby?
See if you can identify this voice:
``Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out.''
Our mystery figure uttered these words in March 2002.
The clock is ticking.....
That's so unfair, duct tape comes in colors now. So you gotta get blue, black, yellow, red, green and grey.
SSquirrel
Yeah, what SSquirrel says...
And this is *why* I'm not a homeowner. I just can't get into any of that stuff.
Me too. I don't mind doing minor stuff, but that's about it.
I use my 18V chain saw all the time.
(Had a pine tree fungus, nasty)
Why would you want to partition your boots?
When you have cloven hooves for feet.
SHG--men tell me that duct tape and WD40 fix everything--WD40 for if it doesn't move and it should, duct tape for if it moves and it shouldn't.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 2:28 am |
I understand that chewing gum and baleing wire is also de rigeur for the male tool sachel. What's really scary is that you can now get duct tape in four shades of cammo. My son once fell asleep in Spanish class...his fellow students taped him to his desk...
Eli, did you just tell us that you have a small toolkit? tell us you are a watchmaker, please!
table saw,
radial saw,
drill press,
lathes (several, in several sizes)
I'm in love.
If I only had someplace to put them...besides the balcony I mean.
The neighbors might object.
They're certainly right and I'm surpised that no one in the MSM picked up on this earlier because many of us here in the Left Blogosphere knew about all this.
Lawmakers certainly did not have the volume of intel that Bush and Cheney had, certainly not the most sensitive info and they absolutely did not have the PDB.
So lawmakers have some excuse for not voting with all the right facts. Still, they never read past the five page Executive Summary of the 92 page intelligence report. And, as John Conyers tells us in F 9/11, lawmakers almost never actually read the bills they vote on.
Am I a boy?
Marcia Brady
No. But your name's prolly Martha.
What's really scary is that you can now get duct tape in four shades of cammo.
Really?
I haven't bought duct tape in years.
Eli, did you just tell us that you have a small toolkit? tell us you are a watchmaker, please!
I mainly just need wee philipshead screwdrivers for screwing and unscrewing drives and fans and whatnot. Occasionally tweezers to help remove jumpers.
This isn't entirely crazy. I used to have a house with an obsolete steam heating plant (no parts were avalible for it). the lathes came in very handy to turn replacement parts.
No. But your name's prolly Martha.
flory
Surprisingly not close.
I did get a sewing machine for my birthday...
I mainly just need wee philipshead screwdrivers for screwing and unscrewing drives and fans and whatnot.
Actually, I do have a couple of those teeny little screwdrivers.
They're useful little buggers.
Good night, dearest batses.
I haven't bought duct tape in years.
Use gorilla, epoxy, or super glue instead.
Use gorilla, epoxy, or super glue instead.
Right. I do.
Thersites--you drink that Baileys without whiskey? What's wrong with you?
I have a long and incredibly involved Bailey's story. It involves DI football, corporate malfeasance, cronyism, substance abuse, and extramarital sex in a Dublin convent.
Ask me later.
I haven't bought duct tape in years.
Use gorilla, epoxy, or super glue instead.
doug,
The pipe under my kitchen sink is pretty much entirely reconstructed from duct tape. Gray duct tape.
I did get a sewing machine for my birthday...
Marcia Brady
A sewing machine cancels out any number of macho tools. You're definitely a girl.
Thers, who is Miami playing tomorrow?
I'm watching a show about this haunted house in maryland.
I don't know why they didn't just yell at the ghosts.
It's always worked for me.
They're useful little buggers.
fourlegsgood
Good for repairing sparklies and eyeglasses too.
A sewing machine cancels out any number of macho tools. You're definitely a girl.
flory
I haven't opened it yet...
Marcia Brady is either a girl or the best female impersonator I've ever read.
Night sallyh.
Night sally.
Marcia Brady is either a girl or the best female impersonator I've ever read.
doug,
The internets are kinda scary, huh?
they didn't just yell at the ghosts.
dogs cats or ferrets would drive them out. They'd be curious about the noises and would chase them endlessly.
We have a panoply of power tools. Indeed, if you want to survive an apocalypse, come up to Liberal Mountain. We have a lot of weird shit, including a shotgun. And a pogo stick.
I imagine the last two items are especially fun together, though I have not yet tested this theory...
The internets are kinda scary, huh?
I lived and worked in SF for many years. Sexual orientation isn't one of my fears.
I haven't opened it yet...
Marcia Brady
My sewing machine was stolen out of a friends car about 10 years ago. I used the insurance proceeds to partially fund the cost of the most ridiculously expensive gadget laden machine imaginable. You can connect it to your 'puter and design embroidery.
Ask me how much use its got in the last ten years....
dogs cats or ferrets would drive them out. They'd be curious about the noises and would chase them endlessly.
I dunno. I've lived in haunted houses with dogs. The dogs are frequently scared. I dunno about ferrets.
The really fun saw is a sawsall. you can destroy things rather rapidly with those.
thers, and stilts. Don't forget stilts.
who is Miami playing tomorrow?
Wake Forest. They have played fairly well, actually. I can't their offense doing anything, tho. Night game.
I imagine the last two items are especially fun together, though I have not yet tested this theory...
Thers
Well, if you took them Down Under, you could test the combination for kangaroo hunting....
Night Thers.
Game
Ask me how much use its got in the last ten years....
flory
Exactly. I told my girls to get me the simplest one available, since I'll only use it to make costumes and stuff.
Does Fresca really have those little bitty chicks inside?
Kody, the smaller black dog I've been posting pictures of is either too stupid or too brave to be afraid.
When in the woods here I have to call her all the time so that she doesn't chase things she shouldn't, like dall sheep, moose, and even a bear.
I've decided that people that write advertising are the most evil people imaginable.
Except for the bushies.
We had a sawsall for the longest time... NYMary is a fiend for power tools. She really is a carpenter -- the real cheese, you know. I'm just your typical male nut with a hammer.
We do own a shotgun and a pogo stick, though. For reasons I cannot fathom. I think it'd be shame not to combine these items with whiskey.
I've decided that people that write advertising are the most evil people imaginable.
Except for the bushies.
I think the ad people work *for* the Bushies. Although it could well be the other way 'round.
Marcia, I once owned a Singer sewing machine. When it reached about the age of 10 I decided I needed a new machine
as the Singer was getting pretty tired.
Tightwad (for all save himself) ex spouse didn't want to buy me a new one. So, one day I set it up in his office which was in our basement, loaded the bobbin with the cheapest cotton-wrapped poly thread I could find and tried to sew three layers of denim for half an hour. Every time the thread broke I patiently re-threaded it. He finally stopped me and said "oh for the love of god go buy a new one"!
He never figured it out...but then he went out and bought a $2,000 JET table saw with all the trimmings and used it only twice.
We do own a shotgun and a pogo stick, though.
I haven't seen a pogo stick in years.
we havw just startted "peer reviews" as part of our performance evals".
I think it;s weird.
Comments?
We have a new HR head who is going this direction.
Does Fresca really have those little bitty chicks inside?
it's the truth in advertising concept. Advertising workers I think get tired of telling lies all the time, If you watch ads you'll see they hint at some hidden truth about the product. In this case Fresca must have e-coli and swimming things in it.
So the Little Sociopath™ has been dusting off the "Why don't you fuckers talk nice to me?" whines eh? I always picture it as a little Gollum like thing, sniviling and cackling, or like a Renfield munching on bugs. It's pretentious inclusion of itself in rhetoric suggesting membership in the current ruling class is rather pathetic really. I know everyone feels a need to belong but this thing reads like one of those awful urban stories about a misfit that nobody likes, not even the gang that lets it participate in petty vandalism with them. It's probably going to enjoy things even more when the Dems win a house or two back because then it gets to play as part of the victim class -- probably reflexively accusing Democrats of rigging elections as though we had been the ones to introduce blackbox voting machines. Is it Orwellian doublethink, where it's just so conditioned that it really doesn't know or is there just some twisted getting off involved in yelling "Stop thief" when you're the one doing the robbing? Who knows, and I don't know which answer bothers me more. I will tell you what does bother me, I know, even now, that I won't feel as guilty as I should when the payback starts kicking in.
Marcia -- smart decision.
But you see, I've also got all this fabulous fabric I bought while traveling -- there's this little shop in Florence that gets all the remnants from the designer's lines -- so I tell myself I'm gonna make myself the most amazing wardrobe.
After I lose some weight, of course.
We do own a shotgun and a pogo stick, though.
I haven't seen a pogo stick in years.
You can tell 4legs is in Texas...
I think the ad people work *for* the Bushies. Although it could well be the other way 'round.
They might be the same people.
When in the woods here I have to call her all the time so that she doesn't chase things she shouldn't, like dall sheep, moose, and even a bear.
doug
My ex and I used to take our beagle-basset up to Shenendoah. I would sit in the car and read, and he would take her and go off over the side of the overlook.
One time, after they had been gone for hours, he came back, carrying her. Seems she took off after a deer. He had to chase her down, then carry her back up the mountain because she had tired herself out.
I did get a sewing machine for my birthday...
Marcia Brady
Shit, I'd love a good sewing machine. I wanna make some burlap roman shades for the bedroom. And I'd really like to taper the waist on allot of my button downs. Oh, and a pre-emptive Bite Me!
We do own a shotgun and a pogo stick, though. For reasons I cannot fathom. I think it'd be shame not to combine these items with whiskey.
It does seem appropriate. We've got drunk hunters driving around logging roads with a bottle of whiskey on the dash and a couple of loaded rifles leaning on the truck seat.
You can tell 4legs is in Texas...
We now have concealed carry permits. So every other nut has both a shotgun and a pistol on them.
Retards.
I think it'd be shame not to combine these items with whiskey.
Thers
Inventive and potentially deadly. Sounds like something I could get behind.
OK. Well, I've had some wine. Lemme get those shotgun shells and the pogo stick...
You guys think I need to go outside for this, or could I stay in the kitchen?
I think it;s weird.
Comments?
So you and the guy/gal competing for the same promotion get to evaluate each other?
yeah, that's useful.
marcia b....
You guys think I need to go outside for this, or could I stay in the kitchen?
Depends on how high your ceiling is.
After I lose some weight, of course.
flory
Don't wait. I'm sure you're beautiful.
We now have concealed carry permits. So every other nut has both a shotgun and a pistol on them.
Retards.
Imagine how much safer you'd feel if they also had pogo sticks.
I would like to sew lion kitty a frock coat.
You guys think I need to go outside for this, or could I stay in the kitchen?
Thers
Is there a place to set up a camera outside? If not, kitchen.
Imagine how much safer you'd feel if they also had pogo sticks.
True.
Marcia -- Shanandoah? Virgina? Whereabouts?
flory, luckily, in this instance, each of us has his/her own position, which is supposedlt not in competition with any other.
I still think it;s weird and waaaayyyy too subjective.
You guys think I need to go outside for this, or could I stay in the kitchen?
Thers
You guys thinking of redoing the kitchen anytime soon?
Shanandoah? Virgina? Whereabouts?
flory
Yes. I used to live in Annandale. And Alexandria. And a long time before that, Warrenton -- in the middle of Horse and Cattle Country.
There used to be a store in Sunnyside California, that had painted in large black letters on the side of a bright yellow building.
GASOLINE BEER BULLETS
I still think it;s weird and waaaayyyy too subjective.
Sounds weird to me too.
flory, what's the name of the shop?
I have a cousin who lives in Florence whom I plan to visit soon...I'm sure he'd take me there if I asked. Ooooh
designer remnants! luscious Italian silks and wools. Don't worry aobut losing weight just buy more fabric and be happy.
12ga. outside
20ga. inside
it's an acoustics thing
GASOLINE BEER BULLETS
The only important things in life.
Oh, and a pre-emptive Bite Me!
SSquirrel
There are few things better than a man who knows his way around a sewing machine.
I have a cousin who lives in Florence whom I plan to visit soon
You didn't mean Italy?
How disappointing.
Don't wait. I'm sure you're beautiful.
Marcia Brady
((smooch)) thanks.
Family story -- my mother bought about ten yards of beautiful cashmere fabric when she was stationed in Bermuda during WWII. She was always going to make herself a coat out of it -- after she lost 10 lbs.
Mom died in 1983. I still have the 10 yards of beautiful cashmere.
I'm gonna make a suit out of it.
I am!!
You guys think I need to go outside for this, or could I stay in the kitchen?
Thers | Email | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 2:54 am | #
You do know that the last words most often heard in TX are, "hey guys, watch this!"
All right, I'm suing those pogo stick bastards. There's NO warning whatsoever about what happens when you fire straight into your kitchen ceiling from your pogo stick.
You'd think they'd say SOMETHING.
12ga. outside
20ga. inside
you need to select the load
the range of loads?
bat shot - leaves a nice tattoo
buck shot - more entry wounds
slugs - better exit wound
you have to leave something to keep the county coronor amused.
I would like to sew lion kitty a frock coat.
fourlegsgood
Lord High Plushiness™ deserves a morning suit, I think.
4lg and flory...thanks!!
Although,m have to tell ya that the chance of my being heard in this is negligible.
It;s gonna happen, no matter what I think.
Unfortunately, the competition for $$ is turning what used to be a (relatively) okay academic environment into your biz-as-usual, corporate dog-eat-dog scenario.
Jeebus, I hate this shit!!!
As if what I think matters, which is certainly does not!!
I'm gonna make a suit out of it.
I am!!
flory
Do it! I can't sew anything from a pattern, but I did make a beautiful mermaid costume for my older daughter, and an angel costume from charmeuse and lace for the younger.
I still think it;s weird and waaaayyyy too subjective.
Sarah Deere | 11.12.05 - 2:57 am | #
I'm not a labor lawyer, but I would think that given the laws on the confidentiality of personnel matters, peer input in promotions would be slightly irregular.
I still think it;s weird and waaaayyyy too subjective.
Sarah Deere
Yeah. Isn't a good manager/supervisor supposed to be able to tell how well you play with the other children?
Asking their opinion just kinda muddies the waters.
You'd think they'd say SOMETHING.
Thers
Did you look on the bottom of the pogo stick. I'm pretty sure there's a law...
GASOLINE BEER BULLETS
HA! I'm off to sleep. My favorite all time sign, from VERY rural pennsylvania, circa 1999:
Y2K READY
BOOZE EGGS GENERATORS
GUNS
Yes. I used to live in Annandale. And Alexandria. And a long time before that, Warrenton -- in the middle of Horse and Cattle Country.
Marcia Brady
Kewl. I used to live in Arlington.
Did you ever go to Gold Cup when you lived in Arlington?
Doylestown Pa had a very thorough Junior High Home Ec and Shop department. Metal casting, lathes, cooking and sewing, boys and girls, NO exceptions!
Marcia - I meant when you lived in Warrenton, not Arlington.
Lord High Plushiness™ deserves a morning suit, I think.
Honestly, he's gonna have to grow his own.
designer remnants! luscious Italian silks and wools. Don't worry aobut losing weight just buy more fabric and be happy.
SHG
Can't remember the name. But if your cousin lives there I'm sure he/she knows or can find out. Its right near Il Duomo.
Its a very dangerous shop. Take cash and leave the credit cards behind.
you have to leave something to keep the county coronor amused.
doug, | 11.12.05 - 3:02 am | #
then you also have that handy little item called the Glaser Safety Slug. goes through soft objects but is deflected by walls. A nice little round for shooting up the kitchen after tea.
4lg.....Maxx in a frock coat sounds wunnerful!!!!!!!!
Did you ever go to Gold Cup when you lived in Arlington?
flory
Yes, but I was little, so I don't remember much.
I got pregnant in Arlington. Nice city.
SHG, how could I pursue that???
the range of loads?
bat shot - leaves a nice tattoo
buck shot - more entry wounds
slugs - better exit wound
go with the buck, but tack out the shot and fill with Epsom salts.
(Just in case)
flory, thanks! we'll check it out I'm sure he knows it. $$ advice noted. Make someting from the cashmere, but you will need a serger for it. I have a Baby Loc, and it's really easy to use. Worth every centavo.
then you also have that handy little item called the Glaser Safety Slug. goes through soft objects but is deflected by walls. A nice little round for shooting up the kitchen after tea.
And I thought the family I was raised in was disfunctional and weird. I'm beginning to think they were almost normal.
I got pregnant in Arlington. Nice city.
Marcia Brady
Well, it does have more going for it than horizontal surfaces....
I go back to Warrenton for Gold Cup every couple years. I have a friend who gets tickets. Its not so much fun since the new sheriff banned the bookies, tho.
Well, good night. I think I will try to make a dent in the 500 pages I'm supposed to read.
Kisses all around.
SD, what the Safety Slugs or the personnel matter?
SHG -- its woven cashmere, not knit. Regular machine will work fine, if I ever decide on what to make.
what the Safety Slugs or the personnel matter?
personnel matter is what gets on the walls with safety slugs.
hussein was the anti-christ.
Doylestown Pa had a very thorough Junior High Home Ec and Shop department. Metal casting, lathes, cooking and sewing, boys and girls, NO exceptions!
SSquirrel
This should be mandatory in all junior highs I think.
Along with basic auto maintenance.
hussein was the anti-christ.
kevin
Don't be silly, Jerry says the anti-christ is Jewish.
Good night Marcia.
And I thought the family I was raised in was disfunctional and weird. I'm beginning to think they were almost normal.
doug, | 11.12.05 - 3:11 am | #
doug, you don't know the half of it. My ex was a paranoid delusional who kept guns all over the house. He was terrified that someone would break in, but the real reason he kept them was to intimidate me. He was always harping on about gun safety but one night he tried to shoot an armadillo from our bedroom window with a Ruger .38...he banged the grip on the window frame accidentally and nearly shot himself through the head.
He then went outside to try to finish off the dillo. What he didn't know is that dillo's deflect bullets pretty well. If I had gotten really lucky that night it oculd have saved us all a lot of grief.
SHG, I've always wondered how many of the NRA folks are like that? I've shot guns since I was a small child, but have never felt the need to carry or use one on a person.
What I did shoot outside my front door a couple of days ago.
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flory, it sounds wonderful...wear it in good health.
SD, I'd talk to a good labor lawyer about the ins and outs of "peer review"...which really sounds like the HS Drama Club elections to me. It may depend on how much weight the reviews are given, and if your supervisors discuss your performance with anyone other than you.
doug -- Wow!
Where do you live?
There's nothing a 12 ga. shotgun can't do. I weep for our modern law enforcement Officers with their CAR's.
A 12 gauge slug can take out a car at range. And .00 buckshot will turn any meeting into a quick appeasement session.
If you want to talk "force", the shotgun is the way to go.
I cry Bullshit on dropping down to 20 gauge.
South of Hamilton Montana.
doug, that's lovely...you in Alaska?
Must go, have to shut down everything so I can record a clip for C&L
doug, that's lovely...you in Alaska?
Naw, the snow is beginning to stick on the mountain tops. Finally,
it's late this year. We should have had this much a month ago.
South of Hamilton Montana.
doug
That would explain the Big Sky thing.
If you want to talk "force", the shotgun is the way to go.
I cry Bullshit on dropping down to 20 gauge.
Tachikoma | Email | 11.12.05 - 3:25 am | #
My current esposo was in the Korean War.
He was with a recon unit that carried M1A1 90mm artillery. He says that they make a very satisfying thump when fired. Shoots aobut 9 miles.
Gotta go to bed bats. been up since early...want to have the wattage to come back here tomorrow.