I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Go Blue!!!
F*ck Bush.And Schmidt. And Rove. And Woodward. And so many more....
Fluffit!
Vicki - see thread below for hangover remedies
Booby's a has-been. And I'd wager without Bernstein 30 years ago, he'd be less than that.
WOODWARD: I wish I did have a bombshell.
Arianna, I've got a bombshell for ya.
I wanta hear what "that's the biggest cock I've ever seen" sounds like in Greek.
Booby is a war-drone malfunction.
I think we better start preparing for an increase in taxes. With all these indictments coming down, we're gonna have to build new prisons.
Does Woodward want his "junkyard dog" comments back yet?
I wanta hear what "that's the biggest cock I've ever seen" sounds like in Greek.
Lime Rickey
Same as in english: YIPEE!
Dang, Atrios is just flyin' again!
from Manufacturing Consent by
by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky
The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfill this role requires systematic propaganda.
In countries where the levers of power are in the hands of a state bureaucracy, the monopolistic control over the media, often supplemented by official censorship, makes it clear that the media serve the ends of a dominant elite. It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent. This is especially true where the media actively compete, periodically attack and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance, and aggressively portray themselves as spokesmen for free speech and the general community interest. What is not evident (and remains undiscussed in the media) is the limited nature of such critiques, as well as the huge inequality in command of resources, and its effect both on access to a private media system and on its behavior and performance.
How 'bout he's just an asshole? That seems to be the simplest and yet most complete answer.
Interesting read from Arianna. Now to Kevin Drum...
Hail to those motherf*ckers
Hail to those old cocks*ckers
Hail, Hail to Michigan
the cesspool of the land...
couldn't resist...
Woodward under fire after giving evidence to CIA leak inquiry
· Hearing told he was first to learn agent's identity
· Revered journalist forced to apologise to Post editor
Bob Woodward, the journalist usually treated in America with a reverence reserved for elder statesmen, found himself under siege inside his own newspaper yesterday over his role in the CIA leak inquiry.
Mr Woodward, who was able to keep secret the identity of his most famous source - Deep Throat - for more than 30 years, was forced to give evidence to the special prosecutor investigating who leaked the identity of a CIA operative. It emerged that the man whose reporting on the Watergate scandal helped bring down President Richard Nixon was the first journalist to learn from an administration official that Valerie Plame, the wife of former US ambassador and Bush critic Joseph Wilson, worked for the CIA.
Arianna is usually correct.
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more from above:
A propaganda model focuses on this inequality of wealth and power and its multilevel effects on mass-media interests and choices. It traces the routes by which money and power are able to filter out the news fit to print, marginalize dissent, and allow the government and dominant private interests to get their messages across to the public. The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news "filters," fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and "experts" funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) "flak" as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) "anticommunism" as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.
Bird flu for Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Libby, Rove and Schmidt.
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I wonder if Booby will go fo 86 days?
Headers like "Lots of Boobage" sure do pump up the pagehits.
Yowsa!
Is there any timeline as to exactly what date Woodward talked to his boss and editor Downie? All I have read is that it was last month (meaning October)? Was it before his appearance on Larry King (Oct 27) pre-indictment day, indictment day, or was it the 3 remaining days in October?
The timing of that conversation might help determine the chain of events/motive a bit more.
Text of the message i sent to my local NPRNC outlet:
I just called (11/19/05, @8:15 AM) the KUNM board (277-5615), after the Saturday morning piece of gratuitous NPRNC tongue-laving of the Chimperor's mendacious, propaganda visit/speech to Pennsylvania on Veteran's Day.
Very politely, very calmly, in a level voice, and almost without inflection, I asked the woman who answered the call whether she thought a German version of NPRundfunk in 1933 waxed as adoring and approving of Hitler's appearance at Nuremberg--for the same purposes--as the current "Murkin" version of the NPRNC is of the Chimp's staged appearances?
The rude bint hung up on me: not a single word...just click/dial-tone.
So this my official notice:
That's it...not another goddam penny goes to NPRNC/KUNM...not another fucking red cent!
Just saying.
(wgg...)
Blargh. Head feels like it's full of clay. Stupid delicious wine.
And online pizza ordering doesn't start for another 10 minutes. Bah!
It's too early for political outrage. Someone tell a joke or something =x
Try this:
Hamsher's take
scroll down.
confusing
It's too early for political outrage. Someone tell a joke or something
Okay, my favorite joke:
What's on the bottom of Bass Lake?
Bass turds.
Never fails to crack me up.
Whenever Arianna's on TV, she sends coded messages my way. There's no mistaking it.
Am I the only one who hears Arianna's accented cadence in his head whenever they read through her posts? Just wondering.
"Bass turds."
Excellent, thank you 
Kind of wonder if the "Watergate" congressional investigation really ever depended that much on the Washington Post's intrepid reporters at all.
There probably was going to be an investigation as soon as the Vietnam war ended anyway, since Nixon couldn't pull the old "it's unpatriotic to criticize a war-time president" jazz.
Giving so much credit to Woodstein always seemed like thanking early morning surfers for a high tide.
Easy to say now, I suppose.
A little while ago, MSNBC ran the congresswomans cowardice charge without running her forced, lying retraction of her statement. Then they had tweety on explaining the dems position and he had it totally wrong. It is not easy to fight this shit.
OT: But ESPN is doing a story of a kid who died from a goal post accident at my alma mater (and the college PZ Meyers teaches at)
I think arianna is closer to the truth. Lying to a Federal Prosecuter is like ski jumping. As long as you stay in the air, you're all right.
Hello Media Horse, are you reading this thread? Do you still have the graphic of Woodward as Media Whore of the Year 2002? Could you send it to Atrios?
I prefer Arianna's maiden name: Arianna Stassinopoulos.
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A world where Arianna's on the side of the angels is bound to be a little confusing.
How come we queers just can't stay away from this place?
Giving so much credit to Woodstein always seemed like thanking early morning surfers for a high tide.
there's really only a coupla breaks where high-tide means a better wave...
a better analogy might be thanking the early morning surfers for the pre-dawn glass-off...
just sayin
(woooohoooo: surf's up!!!!)
If our media weren't so darned liberal, I'd say it would be a particularly good time to revisit the old Downing Street Memo.
Michael Huffington claimed that Arianna "entered the marriage ... with full knowledge of his sexual interests in men."
Wow! That's very European.
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From firedoglake on the new grand jury.
You only open things wide open again if there is a reason to do so. And I am feeling like there is still one hell of a reason. And I am not alone.
E. Lawrence Barcella Jr., a former federal prosecutor who is now a prominent defense lawyer in Washington, said the development "means a little bit of jeopardy to everyone" who had been connected to the investigation because Mr. Fitzgerald might be exploring new avenues and revisiting old ones.
"Just when the White House thought it was over the indictment hump with Libby, now all of a sudden you have an active investigation back on the front burner," Mr. Barcella said.
Well, all I can say is...sweet!
posted by ReddHedd @ 5:48 AM
Heehee. If Fitz has empanelled a brand new grand jury that takes us firmly into the summer before the midterms. Six months for its original term, plus a three month extension. Between this and Abramoff, it's going to be an exciting few months.
Now if assholes would just stop calling CSPAN and saying that liberals should be shot. W has actually been looking okay on this trip. I bet once he gets home he starts looking haggard again.
a better analogy might be thanking the early morning surfers for the pre-dawn glass-off...
I like it. Mind if I borrow it next time?
How come we queers just can't stay away from this place?
plantsman - 11:10 am
wucha mean "we" gay-man?
seriously, i think it's part of the whole i-nets phenomenon: nobody knows anymore about you than you wanna reveal...
OT blogwhore: lots of pussy.
Michael Huffington claimed that Arianna "entered the marriage ... with full knowledge of his sexual interests in men."
Wow! That's very European.
Did she think she could cure him with that sexy accent?
Well at my age and in my health, Eschaton is a damned sight easier than dancing all night and sleeping around!
NTodd:
when i go to your page, he right-hand column of ads and crap runs right through the middle of your photos...
other than getting a bigger screen, is there anything i can do to actually see the photos?
just askin'
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Hey Lime Rickey,
I got that same vibe from Modo last night on Hardball.
She definately wants me!
NTodd: Ahem, "Cure" him ?
This picture of Bush is a little too revealing.
I've almost decoded Arianna's most recent message. Here's what I've got so far:
"I want you to (blank) on my (blank) (blank), and then (blank)(blank) my
(blank). After that, I'll (blank) your (blank), and then (blank)(blank) your (blank). Then we'll (blank) (blank) (blank) all night long."
Maybe Chalabi can help me fill in the blanks.
Woody - not sure if there's a cure for that, other than a bigger screen. What do you have, 640x480? C'mon, man, it's the 21st century!
Anyhoo, thanks for the headsup. I've been meaning to play with the template--maybe I can at least get some scroll bars in there. Otherwise, you can at least right-click on the pics and do a "show image" or whatever's equivalent in your browser.
2086. Not the date of first contact.
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I like it. Mind if I borrow it next time?
bcf - 11:14 am
render thyself unconscious, pard...(Knock y'urse'f out)...
man i need some beach time...
OT, but cylinders! Gitcher freshly restored cylinders!
Sinclair First, you are not alone -- however if I am a little tired when I'm reading it will sometimes slip into the voice of Eva Gabor.
Michael Huffington claimed that Arianna "entered the marriage ... with full knowledge of his sexual interests in men."
Wow! That's very European.
Didn't I see Arianna on an episode of "The L Word"?
Just sayin'...
NTodd: Ahem, "Cure" him ?
plantsman
Look, I Vicki, Queen of All Boobiness, have slept with gay men. You can't cure gay men, no way, no how, even if you do blow them away using the techniques of all things happy and hookerish. And gay men don't take comfort in pussy. Period.
Just sayin'.
Shit, lime rickey, you don't need Chalabi, I'll bet any number of Atriots could fill in those blanks. Even I could, but won't since this is a political blog, not a porn blog (is there such a thing?)
NTodd: Ahem, "Cure" him ?
I was riffing off the fundy belief. Don't go all Incog on my ass.
(and fuck haloscan)
...if I am a little tired when I'm reading it will sometimes slip into the voice of Eva Gabor.
"Ol-ee-vah!"
Anyone with Photoshop skills?
We need pictures of crazy Jean Schmidt -- the internet is as barren as her uterus.
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So a congressman gets held up at gunpoint in DC one night.
The robber says "gimme all your money!"
Congressmen: "you can't do this to me, I'm a U.S. CONGRESSMAN!"
Robber replies: "well...then gimme all MY money!"
NTodd: Ahem, "Cure" him ?
plantsman
plantsman, NTodd is cool. Chill.
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ou can't cure gay men, no way, no how
Can't cure lesbians, either. I have discovered, however, that I can make women lesbians. Ahem.
Anyhoo, I remember the first time I encountered the "cure" mythos. Lea Delaria had come to Colby in 1991, and I interviewed her for WMHB. She told me about the fundies who handed her pamphlets on the matter, and she did an extremely funny riff on the whole thing. The whole interview was fun.
I also worked the sound for her show. Almost got hit by her buttplug in the Whack-the-Buttplug segment.
Darty - thanks for getting my back. Now for some reason, I crave soup.
NTodd,
The buttplug of happiness.
Arianna for president!
Darty - thanks for getting my back. Now for some reason, I crave soup.
NTodd
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Prince Fuckwit just does not want to admit he was wrong about Iraq.
He doesn't care how many people have to die for his mistake.
And weren't the trolls last night especially crazy and stupid????
Seeing as how Arianna was born in Greece, I think your thinking is wishful at best, Lerxst.
Arianna makes my heart go pitter-patter.
Shia, Kurds storm out of Iraq talks
Shia and Kurdish delegates have walked out of the Iraqi reconciliation conference in Cairo bringing the meeting to an abrupt halt.
"They are insulting the Iraqi people and they are insulting the constitution on which several million Iraqis have voted," , the senior Iraqi Shia legislator Jawad al-Maliki says said, referring to fellow delegates at the conference.
It was not clear who al-Maliki was referring to, but there is long standing tension between the groups represented at
the conference that opened on Saturday.
Earlier Iraqi President Jalal Talabani told the conference that violent extremists and associates of former president Saddam Hussein have no part in Iraq's political process.
Searching for that MWO 2002 award pic of Booby gets way too many images to browse through when keyed on Woodward, media whore.
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Arianna is a Greek Goddess and should be exempt!
So a congressman gets held up at gunpoint in DC one night.
The robber says "gimme all your money!"
Congressmen: "you can't do this to me, I'm a U.S. CONGRESSMAN!"
Robber replies: "well...then gimme all MY money!"
A Lerxst in Wonderland - 11:24 am
i really don't like this species of 'humor.' it totally overlooks the fact that 'their' money does not, in fact, belong to people. It belongs to the US Govt, esp. the treasury dept...
the govt creates the currency, and the system that makes the currency currency, and administers, and regulates it...
People MAY 'own' the value the 'money' represents, but the money is, in fact, the property of the State.
Just sayin'
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Never forget the story I read a couple of years ago.
This redneck asshole down in Dumbfuckistan actually raped a lesbian thinking it would cure her.
I hope while he's serving his time, someone in the Big House takes it upon themselves to "cure" him!
"Armed resistance arose as a reaction to occupation. It is legitimate and is not an innovation"
Harith al-Dhari,
Association of Muslim Scholars
What would have happened if Sandra Day O'Connor had done the right thing back in 2000?
Blogtarting from way back when:
http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com...-have-
been.html
400-3. America is united to finish the job.
Now STFU.
Seeing as how Arianna was born in Greece, I think your thinking is wishful at best, Lerxst.
Vicki
Remember when they were talking about changing the rules for AHnuld?
Boy, how quickly THAT went by the wayside!
NTodd,
The buttplug of happiness.
I'll go away now.
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Arianna for Supreme Greek-Goddess Overlord Ruler who can deal out the spankings!
Minnesota Atriots, sound off!
Phoenix Woman -- HERE!
400-3. America is united to finish the job.
Now STFU.
Whoa, you really do have a reading comp problem. Now STFU.
400-3. America is united to finish the job.
Now STFU.
LMAO
Excuse me, but why don't YOU shut the fuck up and go over to freeperville where you belong?
I can't believe how these idiot trolls try to twist everything around.
400-3. America is united to finish the job.
So...when are YOU enlisting?????
NTodd,
The buttplug of happiness.
I'll go away now.
And take the buttplug with you!
(That fucker was huge. I can't imagine it would be comfortable. Ahem.)
Here's a new feature I demand "Atrios" implement immediately: Cylinder of the Day!
What's the matter, "Duncan" - in the pocket of the 78 industry???
Never fails to crack me up.
Vicki
What did the catfish say when he swam into a concrete wall?
Dam.
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That fucker was huge.
The butt or the plug?
400-3. America is united to finish the job.
I wonder what "the job" is, and how we'll know it's finished, and how much it will cost.
400-3. America is united to finish the job.
Now STFU.
LMAO
That stunt they pulled last night was truly evil!
The butt or the plug?
Well, Delaris is (or was) not a petite woman, so both, I guess.
does jean schmit own a buttplug?
Arianna bats her eyes in Greek Morse code, but nothing worthwhile is easy.
does jean schmit own a buttplug?
Moonbootica =11:35 am
jean schmidt IS a butt-plug...
The buttplug of happiness.
I'll come in again.
How come we queers just can't stay away from this place?
plantsman
Because you can feel the love here?
Jeebus indeedy!
In his spin, Woodward is trying to put a positive face on things by making it sound as if he decided to come forward and disclose his Plamegate involvement to Len Downie of his own free will (a claim Downie seemed to back up when he told the Post that Woodward told him about the contact to alert him to a possible story). But a tell-tale excerpt from Woodward's appearance on Larry King the night before the Libby indictment indicates that he had to be prodded into coming clean.
WOODWARD: “---- Finally, Len Downie, who is the editor of the "Washington Post" called me and said, "I hear you have a bombshell. Would you let me in on it?"
And already the Washington Post is off writting OpEds.
---It's not in the public interest for reporters to be forced to reveal their confidential sources in cases such as this. That's why Post reporter Bob Woodward should not be vilified for protecting the identity of his source in this complex affair.
This shows that Len Downie has lied to all the readers of Washington Post?
Please put Woodward in jail Mr. Fitz.
And the public should vilified Mr. Woody - because he certainly has it coming as does Mr. Downie. This case is NOT like watergate and its not like the secert torture of Mideasterners - it's insider journalist and shows exactly why a sheild law is very bad idea.
And take the buttplug with you!
See, I stuck my head into this nice web-board, afraid that The Ball might get me, and I see butt-plugs.
What is a gentle and sensitive soul like me to do?
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Schmidt as commissar.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/
msnb...med.hmedium.jpg
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LMAO
Lost
Mind
Asshole
Only
Sorry - "Cylinder of the Day" link fixed.
I blame the 78 record industry...
Schmidt as commissar.
Don't turn around
Oh oh
Der Commissar's in town
Oh oh..........
I wonder what "the job" is, and how we'll know it's finished, and how much it will cost.
NTodd
wmdfreedomevilguydemocracyfreemarkets
NTodd, I thought you were paying attention!
Minnesota Atriots, sound off!
Phoenix Woman -- HERE!
One of these things is not like the other.
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Arianna is usually correct.
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Dartanyon
she was wrong to set up gray davis as being worthy of being recalled.
jean schmidt IS a butt-plug...
How dare you!
Buttplug anti-defamation League
Anyone remember The Master Cylinder from the "Felix The Cat" toons?
Good morning, Moonbats. Got half of the front yard raked so I deserve a short break before I go attack the other half. It's lovely here today. Crisp and sunny.
Everyone see this new Time mag piece?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/
...1132544,00.html
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"The Buttplugs of Hazzard"
Salvador ex-minister found guilty
A former deputy defence minister of El Salvador has been found responsible for torture and murder in a US trial.
The court ordered Nicolas Carranza to pay $1.5m to each of four accusers.
He was found to have let soldiers under his command torture and kill civilians during El Salvador's military-dominated government in the 1980s.
Mr Carranza, who has become an American citizen, was being pursued for damages in the US partly because an amnesty law bars such trials in El Salvador.
The trial took place in a US federal court in Memphis, Tennessee, where he has lived since 1985.
What is a gentle and sensitive soul like me to do?
You must keep your eye on The Buttplug, or The Buttplug will get you.
wmdfreedomevilguydemocracyfreemarkets
NTodd, I thought you were paying attention!
Sorry, I got distracted by The Buttplug.
Quentin C ~
Dam!
Schmidt as commissar.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ msnb...med.hmedium.jpg
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QuentinCompson
Look at her prove her "patriotism" by wearing the costume she wore in the community theatre production of "Yankee Doodle Dandy"
jean schmidt IS a butt-plug...
How dare you!
Buttplug anti-defamation League
Buttplug DL | Email | 11.19.05 - 11:40 am
Her head is her own butt plug.
Minnesota Atriots, sound off!
Phoenix Woman -- HERE!
Present!
does the buttplug know the spitball?
"The Buttplugs of Hazzard"
I saw that movie in a triple feature with Rumpleforeskin and Star Whores Episode II: Attack of the Bones. Um...it was part of a review of indecency laws.
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Good morning, Moonbats. Got half of the front yard raked so I deserve a short break before I go attack the other half. It's lovely here today. Crisp and sunny.
Hecate Malificent | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 11:40 am | #
Awwwh, man! I'd do that too, today, if it weren't for the snow on the ground.
And take the buttplug with you!
Leave the buttplug. Keep the cannoli.
Sorry, I got distracted by The Buttplug.
NTodd
Yeah, that buttplug sure can be distracting. I'm still waiting for congress to impeach him.
Hecate sez:
Good morning, Moonbats. Got half of the front yard raked so I deserve a short break before I go attack the other half.
Nobody, and I mean nobody on my block has dealt with leaves. They came down so late this year.
Ah, well.
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"I wonder what "the job" is, and how we'll know it's finished, and how much it will cost.
NTodd "
We're fighting terror, DUH. We'll know the job is finished when terror is defeated. And it'll cost as much as it takes to defeat terror. Even if we have to fund the fight with more tax cuts for the rich.
According to this article in The Nation when Cheney was named Secretary of Defense during Bush I, he didn't know shit all about the military and Murtha was the one who showed him the ropes. They have remained friends since then. Now I guess they are mortal enemies with Dick calling him unpatriotic. Scumbag. I'm really wondering if Dick has gone round the bend and is stark raving mad.
The job is to train Iraqis to police their nation.
It will take as long as necessary.
The cost will be whatever it takes.
spork_incident,
I was just thinking about you, and I have to believe it's almost impossible to rake leaves with a spork.
and a little more from above:
In effect, the large bureaucracies of the powerful subsidize the mass media, and gain special access by their contribution to reducing the media's costs of acquiring the raw materials of, and producing, news. The large entities that provide this subsidy become "routine" news sources and have privileged access to the gates. Non-routine sources must struggle for access, and may be ignored by the arbitrary decision of the gatekeepers. It should also be noted that in the case of the largesse of the Pentagon and the State Department's Office of Public Diplomacy, the subsidy is at the taxpayers' expense, so that, in effect, the citizenry pays to be propagandized in the interest of powerful groups such as military contractors and other sponsors of state terrorism.
Because of their services, continuous contact on the beat, and mutual dependency, the powerful can use personal relationships, threats, and rewards to further influence and coerce the media. The media may feel obligated to carry extremely dubious stories and mute criticism in order not to offend their sources and disturb a close relationship. It is very difficult to call authorities on whom one depends for daily news liars, even if they tell whoppers. Critical sources may be avoided not only because of their lesser availability and higher cost of establishing credibility, but also because the primary sources may be offended and may even threaten the media using them.
I'm really wondering if Dick has gone round the bend and is stark raving mad.
ql in ny
Whadda ya mean - GONE around the bend?
He's BEEN around the bend.
I, for one, welcome our new Greek Goddess overlords.
NTodd : And take the buttplug with you!
(That fucker was huge. I can't imagine it would be comfortable. Ahem.)
I can assure you, that's the point.
Morning Hecate - we can continue our fight over Fitz this morning, since all the guys around here seem to be interested only in butt plugs. Whatever they are and are used for. I must lead a sheltered life.
The cost will be whatever it takes.
LMAO
Sayeth the Chickenhawk.
Car bombs kill 48 in Iraq
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Car bombs killed at least 48 people in Iraq on Saturday, a day after more than 80 died in suicide blasts across the country and as U.S. President George W. Bush pledged never to relent in his war on terror.
In the deadliest of Saturday's attacks, a suicide car bomber blew up his vehicle near crowded condolence tents during the funeral of a Shi'ite tribal sheikh in a town north of Baghdad.
Police Colonel Muthaffar Aboud said 35 people were killed and around 50 wounded in the attack in Abu Sayda, near Baquba, a violent city about 65 km (40 miles) northeast of Baghdad.
Earlier, another suicide car bomber targeted a crowded market in the Diyala Bridge area of southern Baghdad, killing 13 people and wounding around 20, the Interior Ministry said.
The Master Cylinder
Oh yeah. One of the great villain names of all time. And Rock Bottom. And Poindexter, who wasn't a villain but would appear before Congress some years later.
I still wonder how you wage a war on a verb.
Blah Blah Blah.
Man I wish this shit would end.
Everyday it is a new theory or blurb to keep up with.
With Clinton it was only the blow job and cigar dildo to watch.
These people it is every god damned angle you can imagine.
I wonder if that is the strategy, information overkill.
The job is to train Iraqis to police their nation.
It will take as long as necessary.
The cost will be whatever it takes.
Speaking of buttplugs...
According to this article in The Nation when Cheney was named Secretary of Defense during Bush I, he didn't know shit all about the military and Murtha was the one who showed him the ropes. They have remained friends since then. Now I guess they are mortal enemies with Dick calling him unpatriotic. Scumbag. I'm really wondering if Dick has gone round the bend and is stark raving mad.
ql in ny | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 11:45 am
Murtha continues to say that he is "good friends" with Five Deferment Dick even after pointing out his lack of military service.
The job is to train Iraqis to police their nation.
I'm confused. They were doing that just fine before we gpt there. I thought the job was to find WMDs.
I'm so confused.
Speaking of buttplugs...
NTodd
You beat me to the quip.
Someone once wrote a poem about Arianna. "Ode to a Grecian Love Vessel" or something like that.
I still wonder how you wage a war on a verb.
You pronoun it to death.
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ql in ny,
I don't know what a buttplug is either. I can "ass"ume....
The regressives in the Republican Party have conducted a cold civil war for decades. Goldwater and Nixon escalated this cold civil war.
I consider George W Bush the 3rd president of the confederacy with Ronald Raygun the second.
GOP refers to Grand Old Plantation.
In the 1840's and 1850's the conservatives continued to hold slaves. Today the regressive Republicans want the minimum wage to lose further value in the face of inflation so companies can reap the ill gotten gains of wage slavery. The regressive Republicans have refused to extend unemployment insurance benefits beyond 6 months and this unfortunately burdens the person out of work and looking but it also falsely aids regressive republicans in the lie that now this person no longer appears unemployed and falsely lowers the unempployment rate.
The rebels unfortunately have taken over this union and wants to create another plantation system with outsourced jobs and low wages here for those who still have jobs while some sectors reap outrageously high profits at the expense of the poor and middle classes.
George W Bush: A CHIMP that will live in INFAMY.
How do we get a progressive agenda done today?
The answer appears in your wallet. I imagine each of you have studied the union movement. The union movement has brought us the 40 hour work week and the minimum wage. The union movement had focused on the individual employers to get these benefits.
Today corporations have taken over the Republican party and even write the legislation that hurts ordinary people.
We need to form our own ad hoc union and instead of going on a work strike we need to go on a purchasing strike. We need to target some of the major contributors of money to the Republican party as they pull the levers of power and they have the most to lose and they can get the pressure every day instead of the officeholders that only run every 2, 4 and 6 years.
We need to go on strike against Walmart, Wendy’s, Outback Steak House, Dominos Pizza, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Eckerd, CVS and Walgreens, GE and Exxon/Mobil.
We need to call these companies and thell them we have gone on strike against them until they get the RNC to hold a press conference announcing that they will accede to our demands of a TEN dollar an hour minimum wage, an unemployment insurance benefit that will last 1 year instead of 6 months, a real prescription drug benefit under Medicare of 80 percent coverage and no privatization of social security and increasing the social security payroll tax,removing the 88,000 dollar a year FICA taxable income limit, and vote by mail throughout the US with paper ballots and an independent civil service that registers people to vote and counts votes. We need this and more. You make the demands, you go on strike. You have the money and the Republican contributors either do as we want or they go broke under our purchasing strike.
To take action browse
http://tinyurl.com/8ghl8
LMAO did LHAO, losing his brain in the process. What does it take to turn wingnuts against America so fully and drastically? It isn't just administration propoganda, is it? Perhaps it's congenital stupidity? they have that in spades.
The cost will be whatever it takes.
LMAO
Sayeth the Chickenhawk.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
But both Kerry and Hillary have done variations of that idea as well.
Arianna Huffington
Arianna Huffington (born July 15, 1950) is an author and a nationally syndicated columnist in the United States. She describes herself as a "former right-winger who has evolved into a compassionate and progressive populist."
She was born in Greece as Arianna Stassinopoulos, the daughter of Konstantinos (a journalist and management consultant) and Elli (Georgiadi) Stassinopoulos. She moved to England at the age of sixteen, and attended Girton College at Cambridge University where she was President of the Cambridge Union Society in 1971 and graduated with a MA in Economics in 1972.
I still wonder how you wage a war on a verb.
Vicki
I thought "turra" was a noun.
Didn't Prince Fuckwit say it was?
Actually that Poindexter is a villain.
I don't think that I've asked this before, but:
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Look at her prove her "patriotism" by wearing the costume she wore in the community theatre production of "Yankee Doodle Dandy"
attaturk | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 11:42 am | #
the costume was a nice touch.
get the spell checker on the verb's case!
But both Kerry and Hillary have donZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Count WacaWaca Thurmond Cookin
ql
Maybe we could share Fitz. He looks like an awfully big healthy guy, if you know what I mean, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
I still wonder how you wage a war on a verb.
You pronoun it to death.
Wouldn't adverbing it be more apt?
I really hate having to deal with the politics of cats. One sofa, one sweat shirt, one beach towel. The Tom has decided the sweatshirt is his. The queen wants the sweat shirt finding that the towel is beneath her. So...she spends all her time aggravating the tom who really doesn't care. This makes the queen even more irritated so she dashes between the sofa and my chair squeaking what I presume are profanities. Finally I get up and toss another sweathshirt on the end of the sofa. I return to find the queen in my chair and defending it with tooth, claw and those squeaky cuss words. I remove her from the chair and continue reading this blog. I get up and refill my tea. She is back in my chair. She is removed and dropped on the soafa again and she starts pestering the tom again who basically grunts, yawns and rolls over still asleep. This pisses off the queen so she hops into my lap with more cussing in order. I drop her on the floor then go get a cig. She is back in the chair. Dropped on the floor again she is now glaring at me from a foot stool. The war continues.
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Meander
Yes. Kennedy did. But he got it from HOT chicks.
Clinton went for trailer trash and late night bar leftovers.
Kennedy was forgiven for his taste.
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Only if he cleans his plate and destroys all the evildoers first.
Murtha continues to say that he is "good friends" with Five Deferment Dick even after pointing out his lack of military service.
JT
I wonder how someone can be friends with a guy who always looks as though he's ready to take a bite out of you.
I call him "Snarly Dick."
From the Time article:
He said [Fitz] 'This is what I need, I don't need any more.'"
Heehee. And that dear friends is why he need a new grand jury.
Oh, I love that man.
I still wonder how you wage a war on a verb.
You pronoun it to death.
Wouldn't adverbing it be more apt?
I would use an M-1 gerund.
Arianna Huffington (born July 15, 1950) is an author and a nationally syndicated columnist in the United States. She describes herself as a "former right-winger who has evolved into a compassionate and progressive populist."
She was born in Greece as Arianna Stassinopoulos, the daughter of Konstantinos (a journalist and management consultant) and Elli (Georgiadi) Stassinopoulos. She moved to England at the age of sixteen, and attended Girton College at Cambridge University where she was President of the Cambridge Union Society in 1971 and graduated with a MA in Economics in 1972.
Moonbootica
They forgot: "Supreme Greek Goddess Overlord Ruler" who makes Lerxst's heart go pitter-patter.
EkCenTriK - stay the course.
EkCenTriK
Fuck only TWO cats?
I got that beat in spades.
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Meander
Yes. Kennedy did. But he got it from HOT chicks.
Clinton went for trailer trash and late night bar leftovers.
Kennedy was forgiven for his taste.
Count WacaWaca Thurmond Cookin
Whereas, Bush only has Condi.
Vicki sez:
I have to believe it's almost impossible to rake leaves with a spork.
Talk to the Colenel.
(mmmm...cole slaw...)
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Could we just give the Iraqis some badges, ticket books, and a box of Crispy Cremes and bring the troops home? I imagine they'll sort out the whole police thing on their own. Rumor has it that there were policemen there when we invaded.
I would use an M-1 gerund.
Yes, the shooting would be good.
I would use an M-1 gerund.
Yes, the shooting would be good.
i posted this earlier but it is a good read
'Hawks' and 'chickenhawks': yet more discursive detritus.
Murtha continues to say that he is "good friends" with Five Deferment Dick even after pointing out his lack of military service.
I think it was on Hannity yesterday. Sean was forwarding an argument about the liberal chickenhawks, and how the Democratic rhetoric is now exactly the same as it was during the Vietnam war, and how unpatriotic we are to not support the troops...yadda yadda yadda. In the meanwhile, our poor dear leaders who support this war, our brave leaders, are being viciously trashed by those looney liberals.
Nothing about the lies for war. Nothing about Cheney and his handful of deferments...The commentary was so biased, clearly to evoke emotion in his listeners. They're trying to up the rhetoric so that we have shouting matches on the streets, I suppose.
Wouldn't adverbing it be more apt?
Adverbing just weakens it and prolongs the conflict. To kill it you need pronouns.
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"The Buttplugs of Hazzard"
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Pure, fucking genius.
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Oops - silly me.
Bush has been getting fellated by the MSM for years.
How could I forgotten that?
call him "Snarly Dick."
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
That's great. Worth repeating.
NTodd--wonderful pictures.
Saff has crossed the Rainbow Bridge, where she is young, healthy, haughty, and not taking any crap from those upstarts.
"Fuck only TWO cats?
I got that beat in spades.
Count WacaWaca"
There are two more lurking elsewhere in the house. The Tom's crazy sister isn't up yet. How do I explain her, hmm know the character Scrat in IceAge. Replace the acorn with plastic straws and she be Scrat.
Clinton went for trailer trash and late night bar leftovers.
A man should be true to his nature.
Vicki:
HANNITY is talking about chickenhawks?
There's a case of brass balls.
why am i picturing arianna playing a cyborg?
Let the Swiftboating begin
GOP Lawmakers Float Ethics Probe of Murtha
By John Bresnahan
Roll Call Staff
Friday, Nov. 18
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Hecate--the arrogance of the whole 'when they're ready' kills me. We're talking about a culture that's 5000 years old. As a 230 year old nation, we're bastard upstarts.
'Hawks' and 'chickenhawks': yet more discursive detritus.
Moonbootica
I was once with treated with antibiotics for detritus.
Always wear a condom.
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Clinton went for trailer trash and late night bar leftovers.
Bill got blow jobs from them, but trailer trash and bar leftovers LOVE Prince Fuckwit.
I would use an M-1 gerund.
Yes, the shooting would be good.
NTodd
I agree. Using gerunds makes your grammar wars stronger and more direct.
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Meander
You betcha. And if Clinton was still POTUS, I'd volunteer. Age has only improved my skills. Or so I'm told.
Terror is a verb in Bush's vocabulary (didn't you guys get the joke)?
Obscure, that.
So - how did Isikoff know Booby had a secret? And who is "the best New York Times reporter on this" who also (?) knew, as reffed on King's show?
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Whereas, Bush only has Condi.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Well you have that whole gay thing. First it was that governor ( was it Ash?). Then you had the REAL presstitute making visits to the WH.
Bush could be getting blown and cornhole.
As long as this on topic anyone see the new salute where the first two fingers and the pinky are up and the ring finger down? A two hole sex thing.
But I always thought the one man band was the first two fingers and the thumb.
Ahh the inventive youth of today.
Hecate--are you suggesting free passes to the Googolplex?
Couldn't be any stupider than what we've done so far.
"EkCenTriK - stay the course.
NTodd "
Victory in my time eh? I have now walked in my president's shoes.
They are a bit too tight I think. Comfy but not very practical. I am more the New Balance kind of guy. Besides I can't justify the cost for them. And there are blood spots all over them I presume from all the hand wringing.
Hecate--the arrogance of the whole 'when they're ready' kills me. We're talking about a culture that's 5000 years old. As a 230 year old nation, we're bastard upstarts.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
As I've said before, the trolls on these threads have never been outside their home towns much less this country.
They read nothing about other cultures.
Yet, they think that MURKA is so "superior."
Terry C : Whereas, Bush only has Condi.
Y'know that'd be just sad, if I didn't think that he doesn't deserve that much.
I'm so swept up in the patriotic fervor of Supporting the Troops(tm), that I'm gonna do my part on the War on Terra.
I think I'm gonna march out RIGHT NOW and start beating up all the terror I find. I will let you all know how it goes.
(What does terror look like, btw? Is it brown people?)
"I want you to (blank) on my (blank) (blank), and then (blank)(blank) my
(blank). After that, I'll (blank) your (blank), and then (blank)(blank) your (blank). Then we'll (blank) (blank) (blank) all night long."
I want you to Bob on my Wood Ward, and then Libby my Scooter, Irving. After that, I'll Pat your Fitzgerald, and then Dick Cheney your Bush. Then we'll wang dang doodle, all night long.
Maybe we could share Fitz. He looks like an awfully big healthy guy, if you know what I mean, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Hecate Malificent
Well, okay. But we'll have to work out a schedule.
Love you, Bats. I'm off to do battle with the leaves on the other half of the front yard. Later.
Victory in my time eh? I have now walked in my president's shoes.
Hell, I will never refer to that stupid, psychotic prick as MY president.
And watch out with DUMBya's shoes.
You may catch something.
morning, blogkins. booby must love being at the center of this attention...not. i'll probably go with arianna's take, when i get around to reading it.
ot blogwhoring on the NBC prez's assertion that liberals don't watch TV. warning: seanbaby link inside.
Bill got blow jobs from them, but trailer trash and bar leftovers LOVE Prince Fuckwit.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
I don't know. Monica had that whole impression Hillary would leave and Bill would seek her charms.
Kind of scary and naive.
Guess we know where Atrios was last night...
SCRANTON, Pa. - An oil painting by Jackson Pollock and a silkscreen by Andy Warhol were stolen from a museum by thieves who shattered a glass door in the back of the building, officials said.
The Pollock was likely worth about $11.6 million and the Warhol had a value of about $15,000, experts said.
The thieves had disappeared from the Everhart Museum by the time police arrived — four minutes after the alarm sounded at 2:30 a.m. Friday. Surveillance cameras were not working, officials said...
His fraternity didn't call him 'Lips Bush' for nothing.
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Clinton went for trailer trash and late night bar leftovers.
C'mon. Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
(What does terror look like, btw? Is it brown people?)
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Actually, it's Repugnicans and fundies.
"I would use an M-1 gerund."
You ain't got the dangling participles for it.
Vicki sez:
Nothing about the lies for war. Nothing about Cheney and his handful of deferments...The commentary was so biased, clearly to evoke emotion in his listeners. They're trying to up the rhetoric so that we have shouting matches on the streets, I suppose.
They haven't met Murtha.
I don't like Murtha - never have - but how do you "Swift-Boat" him?
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C'mon. Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
Lime Rickey
The ones who have so much to say about Big Bill, Monica and blow jobs are the ones who can't get laid unless they pay for it.
I want you to Bob on my Wood Ward, and then Libby my Scooter, Irving. After that, I'll Pat your Fitzgerald, and then Dick Cheney your Bush. Then we'll wang dang doodle, all night long.
I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it's fucking hysterical.
Only if he cleans his plate and destroys all the evildoers first.
NTodd
Somehow, I don't think the LauraBot has the fellatio feature. Or Perhaps W thinks it is for cutting fish.
EkCenTrik ~
I LOVED your cat story upthread.
It hit home, because when I jumped out of the shower a little bit ago, my boy, Cosmo, was curled up on top of my clothes (I know, I shouldn't leave them on the floor, but I do).
I was talking on the phone the other night, actually it was someone from here, and all of the sudden, my kitty, who was perched on the top of the wingback chair in the living room, takes a flying leap, about 8 feet, it seems, and pounces on the dog, who was resting on my sweat shirt.
Why is it that our animals love our clothes so much?
Clinton went for trailer trash and late night bar leftovers.
C'mon. Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
Lime Rickey
Dude she was the easy chick from high school. You know the one even the geeks went to.
Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
Lime Rickey
Well, when you're used to crack whores for your...er...diversions...
Lime Rickey : C'mon. Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
Nothing at all, my friend, nothing wrong with that at all...
The war continues.
EkCenTriK
That sounds so familiar.
chi dyke,
I read it.
NBC's prez is a fucking genius, I suppose. That's why his network is last among the Big 3.
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C'mon. Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
I thought she was cute. Didn't care for her handbags, though.
Saddest thing:
I'm currently sitting in a Starbucks next to me is an old woman--like older than I was--who is poring over thick booklets. I thought, pretty old for even a returning student. She's wearing sweats has no coffee, probably here because its warm. She sighs a lot, looks distressed. I look to see what she's studying: It's the Medicare/Medicaid prescription plans. Unfrigging believable. The booklets are thicker than the state and federal tax booklets combine.
I feel so bad for her I'm going to eat her brain as soon as she leaves and I can find a place where no one is looking.
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Dartanyon sez:
Always wear a condom.
I'm wearing one right now.
Is that wrong?
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Dude she was the easy chick from high school. You know the one even the geeks went to.
Count WacaWaca Thurmond Cookin
Love how the trolls are such experts on everyone else's sex lives.....
Shit. Just click my homepage and scroll down.
Nim, ham hock of liberty-ROTFLMAO!!
There is still this guy in a pick-up
in my neighborhood with "these colors don't run" stickers all over his car.
It takes all my self control not to smear dogshit on it as a take my beasts for daily walks.
Vicki sez:
Nothing about the lies for war. Nothing about Cheney and his handful of deferments...The commentary was so biased, clearly to evoke emotion in his listeners. They're trying to up the rhetoric so that we have shouting matches on the streets, I suppose.
They haven't met Murtha.
But the repubs are going to investigate Murtha
C'mon. Monica was a little zaftigesqe, but what's wrong with that?
Lime Rickey
Word. The media made such a stink about Monica's size -- I never thought she was so tubby.
It wasn't like she looked like Wynnona or Star Jones.
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I want you to Bob on my Wood Ward, and then Libby my Scooter, Irving. After that, I'll Pat your Fitzgerald, and then Dick Cheney your Bush. Then we'll wang dang doodle, all night long.
M31 | 11.19.05 - 11:56 am | #
Shit! That's not what I was hoping for.
The ones who have so much to say about Big Bill, Monica and blow jobs are the ones who can't get laid unless they pay for it.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
You forgot the cigar dildo. The one he smoked in front of Hillary.
I thought that was one of the lowest things a man could do. I'm surprised he didn't smell his fingers with a sound of deep appreciation.
He may have been a smoth talker but he sure lacked the class of a JFK.
I want you to Bob on my Wood Ward, and then Libby my Scooter, Irving. After that, I'll Pat your Fitzgerald, and then Dick Cheney your Bush. Then we'll wang dang doodle, all night long.
I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it's fucking hysterical.
NTodd
I think it may be the treatment for the new Murphy Brown tv show.
Dude she was the easy chick from high school. You know the one even the geeks went to.
Count WacaWaca Thurmond Cookin
Excuse me, but WHY is it if a guy fucks everything out there, it's okay, but a women is "easy", a "whore", ad nauseam?
Speaking of Medicare drug plans, my mother called me, nearly hysterical, because she can't figure out what the hell is going on with them. She isn't a stupid woman, either. She said she had my brother, a tax attorney, look at them--and he couldn't figure out what the hell was going on with it, either. Not only that, buried in there, are penalties for not signing up in a timely fashion.
Crumb had a great drawing of Monica delivering pizza to the Oval Office, and Clinton eyeing her sweatily and thinking "Oh, my God!"
No one does sexual compulsion like Crumb...
He may have been a smoth talker but he sure lacked the class of a JFK.
Count WacaWaca
What would a troll know of class?
But the repubs are going to investigate Murtha
Yeah, well, let a thousand Abramoff's bloom.
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Is Murtha more unethical than Delay?
GOP Lawmakers Float Ethics Probe of Murtha
By John Bresnahan
Roll Call Staff
Friday, Nov. 18
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
"Why is it that our animals love our clothes so much?
Vicki "
There are a lot of theories but my own is they are jealous of us. If they could just find that damn zipper they too could have a change of wardrobe.
They're trying to up the rhetoric so that we have shouting matches on the streets, I suppose.
Vicki
And when the shouting turns to shooting they will have even more blood on their hands. Do they even realize that they are playing with fire?
Love how the trolls are such experts on everyone else's sex lives.....
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Is that the best you can do?
Fact is it is true about Monica.
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Meander
sure, that's how it all starts. one thing lead to another and before you know it, absolute blowjobs corrupt absolutely.
I'm wearing one right now.
Is that wrong?
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spork_incident
It's very attractive.
I wore 2 last night myself -- in succession.
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How do we get a progressive agenda done today?
buckfush
http://timetogojoe.com/
in one of my lectures on friday (writing ancient history) we were shown the latin word for 'fuck' and 'to suck', cause he had slides of graffiti from Pompeii.
Fuck in Latin is FVTVTA
one of the graffiti he showed said
HIC IIGO PVIILLAS MVLTAS FVTVI - Here I fucked many girls
while FELAS means 'to suck'
from another graffiti
MVRTIS BENII FELAS - Myrtis, you suck well
Morning (sorta), all. Pardon anything stoopid, I haven't read the whole thread.
::waves to favorite right-wing zombie::
Word. The media made such a stink about Monica's size -- I never thought she was so tubby.
It wasn't like she looked like Wynnona or Star Jones.
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Dartanyon
Society's idea of beauty these days seems to be the "lollipop" look.
This huge head and big hair on an emaciated body.
Or what a (male) buddy of mine calls the "two grapes taped to a pencil look."
I wore 2 last night myself -- in succession.
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Dartanyon
Braggart
But the repubs are going to investigate Murtha
I want them to investigate Murtha. I want a full fledged nuclear civil war. This way Dems will drop any illusion of bi-partisanship. If Biden and Leiberman can keep their mouths shut and let the warfare escalate.
Oh, dear God in heaven, they've remade "The Poseidon Adventure."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
What would a troll know of class?
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
At least I'm not a dumb shit as you are proving yourself to be.
When your kid disagrees with her do you call her a troll? And not because she resembles her mom.
Get some new descriptors yours are tired and warn out.
NBC's prez is a fucking genius, I suppose. That's why his network is last among the Big 3.
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Dartanyon | Em
LOL, Dar. and with a declining in size, aging audience as well. but you get the point: they don't care about ratings, they're just out to fellate bush. case closed.
it's why the post is called "where only the stupid survive."
Is that the best you can do?
Fact is it is true about Monica.
Count WacaWaca Thurmond Cookin
Is THAT the best YOU can do?
YOU started this stupid bullshit!
Oh, dear God in heaven, they've remade "The Poseidon Adventure."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
dave™
Just caught that huh.
I was deeply disgusted.
Who gets to play Shelly Winters?
Why are we still talking about the Clenis?
Vicki i so know what you mean.
Heidi loves clothes, make up and when you I am drying my hair.
really girly things.
she also gets upset when my niece cries, starts washing Seity's feet.
At least I'm not a dumb shit as you are proving yourself to be.
When your kid disagrees with her do you call her a troll? And not because she resembles her mom.
Get some new descriptors yours are tired and warn out.
Count WacaWaca Thurmond Cookin
Dude, you don't know a goddamn thing about me OR my kids.
Oh, Quilt Lady...I did scroll down and found your lovely comment about me.
Thanks!
You made my day.
[I cringe at those picnic pictures, though, because I had to pull my socks up due to the scratchy grass and weeds--I look like my father did when he'd mow the lawn in his bermudas and black dress socks.]
Of all the people in the world, isn't the POTUS entitled to a damn blowjob?
Meander
The rightwing men who went apeshit over The Clenis' BJ were jealous -- not of the action Clinton got, but that they weren't wearing the knee pads.
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Why are we still talking about the Clenis?
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
Because that's all these wingers know!
(((Uncle Smokes!!!)))
I have to do some shopping today--wish you were here
Oh stick a sock in it, troll.
The concern trolls have been particularly obnoxious lately.
Afternoon Batties. I do so love the sound of angry Democrats in the House as that harpy, Schmidt, is speaking.
And I do so love Patrick Fitzgerald.
Is THAT the best YOU can do?
YOU started this stupid bullshit!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
No you did.
You took it upon yourself to be a blog cop. Everything I said about Clinton and JFK and Monica was true.
But you can't stand to see your illusion of Clinton questioned.
Muffin that is what adults do QUESTION things.
another piece of graffiti from a brothel in Pompeii
ARPHOCRAS HIC CVM DRAVCA BENE FVTVIT DIINARIO
Arphocras fucked well here with Drauca (for a) denarius
Word. The media made such a stink about Monica's size -- I never thought she was so tubby.
It wasn't like she looked like Wynnona or Star Jones.
I agree. I dont like sticks like Paris. I thought Monica was reasonably attractive for a preson in the political field. If I was working late at night and she came along snapping her thong, I would consider it. She seems to have a naturally lusty look to her.
Dude, you don't know a goddamn thing about me OR my kids.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
You didn't deny you resemble a troll. I bet you live under a bridge also.
I want you to Bob on my Wood Ward, and then Libby my Scooter, Irving. After that, I'll Pat your Fitzgerald, and then Dick Cheney your Bush. Then we'll wang dang doodle, all night long.
I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it's fucking hysterical.
NTodd
I was doing fine right up to "we'll wang dang doodle..."; I thought the doodlage had already begun...
"Why is it that our animals love our clothes so much?
Vicki "
I have a new female greyhound. You should see how much she loves wearing her winter coats with hoods.
i'd do monica. it's the smile, she always seemed to glow aroung the big dog and i can see where he'd have a hard time saying no.
and fuck people who think a 12 year old boy is the right model for "the ideal woman's body."
Dartanyon : It wasn't like she looked like Wynnona or Star Jones.
Which would've been cool, actually. Bill's issue really was opportunistically picking [what he thought were] submissive women.
He needed someone who would deliver as a professional and not talk afterward.
FVTVTA Bush!
I think I'm gonna march out RIGHT NOW and start beating up all the terror I find. I will let you all know how it goes.
(What does terror look like, btw? Is it brown people?)
::Decides to spend day inside with lover and buttplugs.::
What about Bob?
Well, it looks as if the WaPo will have no choice but to back up Bob in order to save their own public face, just as the NY Times had to do with Judith Miller.
If Woodward's involvement in Plamegate is as serious as we're beginning to increasingly suspect, then I don't see Woodward working to the Post much longer.
Especially if Mr. X turns out to be Official A and we all know who Official A-hole is...
Btw, Count, why don't you go to Freeperville and excuse Bush's crimes through Clinton's blow job, OK? You're not going to magically win over converts here, especially with warped logic like that.
Society's idea of beauty these days seems to be the "lollipop" look.
This huge head and big hair on an emaciated body.
No fucking shit. Even calling Lewinsky "zaftig" (esp. when she was first seen) is pushing it, IMO. She looked normal - which you just don't fucking see in any of the media images that get perpetuated.
I remember reading somewhere a woman of "average" height should weight around 140 or so. See anyone on TV or in the magazines that looks even close to that?
Last time I checked, Clinton's Penis (tm) is no longer in the oval office.
Afternoon Batties. I do so love the sound of angry Democrats in the House as that harpy, Schmidt, is speaking.
Interestingly enough the WP had this:
As Democrats physically restrained one colleague, who appeared as if he might lose control of himself as he rushed across the aisle to confront Republicans with a jabbing finger, they accused Republicans of playing political games with the war.
Believe it or not, that dems was Harold Ford.
work rumsfield into that orgy.
I agree. I dont like sticks like Paris. I thought Monica was reasonably attractive for a preson in the political field. If I was working late at night and she came along snapping her thong, I would consider it. She seems to have a naturally lusty look to her.
Live Free or Die
Look she wasn't up to JFK standards.
She was more like that chick Poppy was rumored to be banging.
Of course with a wife like Babs you need something on the side. He must have been doped to the gills when he slipped her the tongue recently.
Good morning, Tena! Or shall I say, Late Morning? It's 12:09 here.
I'm going to be popping in and out all day ~ just cleaning my house. Hanging out, listening to music. I'm challenging myself to a "get a chore done/visit the blog" kind of a day.
Productive AND fun!
First, however, I think I'll go to 7/11 and get a coke slurpee. And brew a pot of coffee.
Moonbootica - I'm going to Pompeii next June. I can't wait.
I've wanted to see it ever since I was a little kid and read Richard Halliburton's Book of Marvels.
I love how they use graffiti at the start of Rome, too.
Muffin --
Hey, it's Harden!
Long time no see, motherfucker.
You can get the fuck out of here now...
As Democrats physically restrained one colleague, who appeared as if he might lose control of himself as he rushed across the aisle to confront Republicans with a jabbing finger, they accused Republicans of playing political games with the war.
Believe it or not, that dems was Harold Ford.
Live Free or Die
Maybe he is catching on. Or he wants to get re-elected.
I have to do some shopping today--wish you were here
Indeed...can't wait for another chance to see all y'all again!
[I saw monica_nyc post earlier...hey there, Monica! Whenever I put my hat on in the morning I think of you!]
another piece of graffiti from a brothel in Pompeii
ARPHOCRAS HIC CVM DRAVCA BENE FVTVIT DIINARIO
Arphocras fucked well here with Drauca (for a) denarius
Moonbootica
Gonne be a hot time in the old town, tonight...
Afternoon Batties. I do so love the sound of angry Democrats in the House as that harpy, Schmidt, is speaking.
Did you catch Olbermann last night? Alison Whats-her-name was sitting in, but she interviewed... Fineman, I think it was... who said he was there, looking on, and when Schmidt said her piece, and you heard the uproar, the Dems were actually standing up and starting to come down the aisle. Now THAT I'd have paid to see -- Dems heading toward that chickenhawk chickenshit en masse.
Why are we still talking about the Clenis?
The Clenis is Mighty. The Clenis is Good. We thank The Clenis for staying away from our food.
Amen.
during the 18th century (and into the regency period) voluptuous and plumplness was very much desired by the men of the day.
i'd do monica.
Ummmmm... I'll just sit here quietly in the corner. You won't even know I'm here...
If we leave before the Iraqis are adequately trained, the bloodshed you see now will pale in comparison to the full-blown civil war that will unfold the moment we cut and run. If you Dems really do care about innocent Iraqi life, you cannot take away the only glue that is still holding the place together. Kerry, Hillary, et al, would say the same, b/c they voted for this war, and they understand the responsibility that came w/ their vote.
Muffin --
Hey, it's Harden!
Long time no see, motherfucker.
You can get the fuck out of here now...
dave™
I don't know what type attractions hard ons hold for you and I don't really care.
Stop pretending your are some type of profiler or psychic because I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
Right my onion.
There's a reason why I love Moonbootica.
.
I remember reading somewhere a woman of "average" height should weight around 140 or so. See anyone on TV or in the magazines that looks even close to that?
Jamie Lee Curtis. 5'7", 148 lbs.
I can tell you that when I was at 132#, because I'm kinda tall with a large frame, my doctor was watching me for anorexia, closely. Harping on me about being too thin.
I was waaaayyy too thin back then.
Do not feed the trolls!
If we leave before the Iraqis are adequately trained, the bloodshed you see now will pale in comparison to the full-blown civil war that will unfold the moment we cut and run. If you Dems really do care about innocent Iraqi life, you cannot take away the only glue that is still holding the place together. Kerry, Hillary, et al, would say the same, b/c they voted for this war, and they understand the responsibility that came w/ their vote.
LMAO
Bullshit.
It will happen anyway.
With outside troops there they will just get caught in the middle with no friends.
Why are we still talking about the Clenis?
Guns are good! Clenis is evil!!
Zardoz has spoken!!!
I remember reading somewhere a woman of "average" height should weight around 140 or so. See anyone on TV or in the magazines that looks even close to that?
dave™
Nope. They all look unhealthy.
I saw a show about that the other day. Lindsay Lohan, Mary Kate Olson lose a shitload of weight and are complimented on it.
One columnist said "What kind of world is is when you are complimented for being unhealthy????"
Tena cool.
my parents went to see Pompeii last year as part of their cruise.
my mother came back from Cairo today, she had a really lovely but busy time.
one of of their trips they spent 6 hours at the Egyptian Museum in the company of the director.
she met lots of scouts too, she has photos so i shall have to get her to put some up on the web.
Oh stick a sock in it, troll.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 12:07 pm
There aren't any left. His fearless leader has stuck all of them in his pants.
And I do so love Patrick Fitzgerald.
Tena
Sorry Tena. Hecate and I already decided to share Fitz. Not sure if there is enough another share. We wouldn't want to distract him from his work afterall.
during the 18th century (and into the regency period) voluptuous and plumplness was very much desired by the men of the day.
Moonbootica
Nothing wrong with that. It's all good...
LMAO really has the all the right wing talking points memorized, doesn't he?
When he's going to his recruitment office, I wonder.
Jamie Lee Curtis. 5'7", 148 lbs.
The best thing about that stupid "Christmas with the Kranks" movie: Jamie Lee in her underwear looking like a woman in her late 40s in her underwear, and not giving a shit if you liked it or not.
Me, I liked it!
I actually saw Monica in my neighborhood
a few months ago.
She is cute.
And I always respected how she really tried protect Clenis under what must have been the most unbelievable pressure.
(she only caved when he betrayed her on teevee)
I like Ariana's theory better, but JC in the comments hit on what's been bugging me.
But this discloure [the Larry King appearance] is expected to occur BEFORE the indictments, so this leak -- if Woodward had followed through -- would have been designed to give the prosecutor another "pause" before he indicted anyone.
By giving this leak to Isikoff, possibly knowing that Isikoff and Woodward will be on Larry King that evening, the WH leaker may have been hoping that Isikoff would put more pressure on (or focus more attention on) Woodward to reveal whatever information he had that might help Libby or anyone else who might be helped by a "pause."
Someone in the WH stirred things up to make sure Woodward had to talk.
I think its sorry state of affairs that society demmands women be stick thin and that any deviant from the norm you are ignored, made fun of or cruelly treated.
you know in britain the last offical taking of women's sizes was in the 1950s!
and don't get me started on the sizes 6 and 8 which are always left on the rail at sail time.
If we leave before the Iraqis are adequately trained, the bloodshed you see now will pale in comparison to the full-blown civil war that will unfold the moment we cut and run
Yet it sits there in its easy chair and doesn't run off to volunteer to go and fight "the good fight."
Look she wasn't up to JFK standards.
Who the fuck cares?
LMAO really has the all the right wing talking points memorized, doesn't he?
Not really. They hand him a written summary when he comes in to start his shift.
He's just typing it in. No thought required.
*sale time
I think its sorry state of affairs that society demmands women be stick thin and that any deviant from the norm you are ignored, made fun of or cruelly treated.
I'm trying to remember what I heard on a show once about everytime women get too "independent", society tries to find a way to slap them down.
I guess they think anorexic weak unhealthy women won't be too much trouble.
"Zaftig" ain't usually considered an insult.
Dave,
I still think Janie Lee is way hot (I'd hit it, as w00t would say).
And I don't think she looks fat, either. Nothing near fat. Now, I'm a little plump and I'd love to get down to her size...but having a few extra pounds shouldn't be the scourge that it is in this country.
I hate that. Beauty judged on weight (not even looks, so much), not on your inner radiance.
I read in the Monster Manual that the easiest way to kill a troll is to ignore it.
If we leave before the Iraqis are adequately trained, the bloodshed you see now will pale in comparison to the full-blown civil war that will unfold the moment we cut and run. If you Dems really do care about innocent Iraqi life, you cannot take away the only glue that is still holding the place together. Kerry, Hillary, et al, would say the same, b/c they voted for this war, and they understand the responsibility that came w/ their vote.
1) Our presence is exacerbating the situation.
2) I didn't realize we had to be the world's cop and train people to not kill each other.
3) What are the parameters of success? Are you willing to lose 58,000 of our troops in an open-ended war?
4) Most Americans are not.
5) Kerry has suggested withdrawal, and said his vote was wrong.
6) Read up on USAF Col John C. Boyd.
7) You're a dick.
Jamie Lee DOES look damn good, doesn't she?
I was watching "Some Like It Hot" last night.
Her dad was a real babe back in the day.
may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Deeply perfumed by that "witch-hunt" ambiance.
Sorry Tena. Hecate and I already decided to share Fitz. Not sure if there is enough another share. We wouldn't want to distract him from his work afterall.
ql in ny
Jeez, I sleep a little late and look what happens.
NTodd:
Trolls don't know any of that stuff.
They believe anything and everything FUX News and Rush Limpdick tells them to believe.
They don't want to hear facts...and reality makes them break out.
The rightwing men who went apeshit over The Clenis' BJ were jealous -- not of the action Clinton got, but that they weren't wearing the knee pads
sid blumenthal tells a funny story describing how newt gingrich was lovesick over clinton.
Terry C the funny thing is, well over here gossip mags are schizoprehenic
one one page they say 'oh look at those ugly skinny women' and on the next they are praising those said same women.
it sends confusing messages.
but i don't think media is the cause, it is the symptom.
there is something fundmentally wrong with western society that being stick thin is an ideal state of affairs.
just my personal opinion *shrugs*
I read in the Monster Manual that the easiest way to kill a troll is to ignore it.
Nah, they've got a +21 against Ignore, so they always make their saving throws.
[goes back to the basement]
I read in the Monster Manual that the easiest way to kill a troll is to ignore it.
Nah, they've got a +21 against Ignore, so they always make their saving throws.
[goes back to the basement]
And when the shouting turns to shooting they will have even more blood on their hands. Do they even realize that they are playing with fire?
ql in ny
==
Oh, I think they do.
Morning everyone!
Zaftig, after all, merely means "juicy."
Aide: Rice Was Not Woodward's Source
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was not the senior Bush administration official who told Washington Post editor Bob Woodward that White House critic Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the
CIA, a Rice aide said Saturday.
"Secretary Rice wasn't Woodward's source," Rice senior adviser Jim Wilkinson said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051...zkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
I hate that. Beauty judged on weight (not even looks, so much), not on your inner radiance.
Vicki
My buddy that was talking about the "two grapes taped to a pencil" look thinks emaciated women are gross.
He says Paris Hilton is nasty because she has no ass.
I still think Janie Lee is way hot...
A little thin for my tastes, but I agree.
... (I'd hit it, as w00t would say).
Pass the popcorn!
Someone in the WH stirred things up to make sure Woodward had to talk.
TheOtherWA
But why? It gets the story on the front page again for several more months. I think Fitz had been continuing his investigation and Mr. X realized he was getting closer, so tried to head him off at the pass.
::waves to favorite right-wing zombie::
:: Blushes, a deep shade of green that Martha Stewart would probably call "December Holly" ::
(Connection keeps crapping out. Think its a commie Starbucks plot)
Well, how could Condi be Woodward's source?
She doesn't know her ass from her elbow. What can she tell anyone?
Well, the flat-chested, thin look for women came into style in the 20s, when women were freed from all of that constricting underwear they used to put on - corsets, multiple petticoats and all the rest.
So trying to say that society is keeping women down by pushing that look is frankly kind of silly.
That look accompanied voting rights and other movements toward independence for women.
I think its sorry state of affairs that society demmands women be stick thin and that any deviant from the norm you are ignored, made fun of or cruelly treated.
I am extremely fit myself, but I like woman with a voluptuous form. I cant stand sticks, they are not sexy to me. Nicol Richie, Paris Hilton-they all look nasty to me. J-lo is awesome.
Take a look at Marilyn Monroe.
Today, she'd be called fat.
Weird.
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Take a look at Marilyn Monroe.
Today, she'd be called fat.
Weird.
.
"What kind of world is is when you are complimented for being unhealthy????"
Wasteful. These are the same people who drop shitloads of money for material trinkets. It's so unbelievable in a world where so many people go hungry, much less die from routine childbirth, etc.
"Zaftig" ain't usually considered an insult.
"'Funny, sexy, zaftig Margaret Cho...' What is 'zaftig?' Isn't that German for 'big fat pig?' I guess I was lucky. 'Zaftig' is kind of a nice word. It could have been, 'Funny, sexy, obese Margaret Cho.'"
-- Margaret Cho
Well, the flat-chested, thin look for women came into style in the 20s, when women were freed from all of that constricting underwear they used to put on - corsets, multiple petticoats and all the rest.
So trying to say that society is keeping women down by pushing that look is frankly kind of silly.
That look accompanied voting rights and other movements toward independence for women.
Tena
Oh, I'm not saying I agree with what the commentator said.
And hey, they may have worn corsets, etc., but were they starving themselves into illness, I wonder?
Marilyn Monroe was zaftig, and loved around the world for her sexy vulnerability and ample curves.
please let it be rummy.
The debate about personal image is two-fold. First, we have Hollywood, who portrays the ideal as stick-thin and made-up.
Then, we have real life, which is hardly the same. When I walk around malls or WalMart, I don't get the feeling that most Americans (including women) are that obsessed with being thin. Actually, obesity is a bigger problem in western society, particularly with younger populations. Not saying that anorexia or bulemia aren't problems; they are serious problems. However, we need to find a way to promote healthy lifestyles.
Somewhere out there is a chubby chaser with my name writ upon his heart.
NTodd -- If we leave as soon as you would like, and the violence gets ten times worse, as it no doubt will, will YOU go to Iraq to help?
Didn't think so.
during the 18th century (and into the regency period) voluptuous and plumplness was very much desired by the men of the day.
Moonbootica
That was probably a time when the general population was starving.
It seem like when a country is rich, they like the thin when a counrty is poor they like plump.
Budda is a big o'l fatty because it represents plenty.
But in a land of plenty you're just another fatso
Take a look at Marilyn Monroe.
Today, she'd be called fat.
Weird.
.
spork_incident
And Jayne Mansfield. And Mae West.
Back in the 1890s, the sex symbols of the day were actress, Lily Langtry and Lillian Russell.
Neither of those gals were thin!
Morning, Mena -- Hey, you were in on my stupid bug discussion the other night, weren't you?
in one of my lectures on friday (writing ancient history) we were shown the latin word for 'fuck' and 'to suck', cause he had slides of graffiti from Pompeii. [...]
HIC IIGO PVIILLAS MVLTAS FVTVI - Here I fucked many girls [...]
MVRTIS BENII FELAS - Myrtis, you suck well
Moonbootica - 12:04 pm
Shit, how old are Lime Ricky and Bebe Rebozo, anyway? And how did they escape the ruin of Pompeii?
Actresses....sorry
zaftig Marilyn Monroe was zaftig
ZAFTIG = FAT GIZ
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Tena, I'll share Olbermann with you, since QL and Hecate have already taken Fitz.
The thinness thing keeps a LOT of women too preoccupied to have lives. I don't think it was ever a conscious plot, but it works out great for the guys.
another feature of regency society was the lack of shame in crying.
Princes and nobles would burst into tears all the time over a sad letter or a rejection.
showing emotion was no problem.
its funny but the Victorian middle class bourgeoisie attiude frowned upon the artistocrats behaviour. They really didn't well care what people thought on the whole with their bed hopping, enjoyment of life and the status of courtesans etc.
NTodd -- If we leave as soon as you would like, and the violence gets ten times worse, as it no doubt will, will YOU go to Iraq to help?
Didn't think so.
LMAO
WHY does these trolls think that we should go fight a war we don't support?
Why don't THEY go?
And hey, they may have worn corsets, etc., but were they starving themselves into illness, I wonder?
Not by choice certainly. But the travails of life intruded more forcefully in those days. The recurrence of 'tiny-waist syndrome'over time feeds the notion that the stick-thin thing has shown up before.
DO these trolls.
Grrrr - need coffee!
God, I'd like to have slapped Jean Schmidt on the floor of the House!
my philosophy is no diets and i am happy with me and how I look.
Hey Silleigh - Y eah, I was the one who just kept saying, 'ohmyfuckinggod', over and over. I'm sure it was helpful.
Nah, they've got a +21 against Ignore, so they always make their saving throws.
[goes back to the basement]
NTodd
Guess I'll have to rely on my +3 Vorpal Blade.
See you in the basement.
Nah, they've got a +21 against Ignore, so they always make their saving throws.
[goes back to the basement]
NTodd
Guess I'll have to rely on my +3 Vorpal Blade.
See you in the basement.
NTodd -- If we leave as soon as you would like, and the violence gets ten times worse, as it no doubt will, will YOU go to Iraq to help?
Didn't think so.
LMAO
What exactly do you think I or anyone can do to help? What do you think can be accomplished militarily in a 4GW/moral conflict such as this?
This "thin is beautiful" crap comes along every couple generations, ennit? The '20s had the flappers, the '60s had Twiggy et al, and the oughts are at it again. What was hot in the 1880s, I wonmder...
zaftig Marilyn Monroe was zaftig
ZAFTIG = FAT GIZ
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William H. Rehnquist
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But in a land of plenty you're just another fatso
bingo
So you're down with 9 year old girls going on diets?
Terry C - I don't know if they were starving themselves.
I don't think so. I'm not touting it, I'm just saying that I know that's something that all came together at a certain point. Women were freed from their long hair and their complicated under garments at the same time that they gained real independence for the first time. And the flat chested, slender silhouette also appeared just at that time.
It's a fact. That's all I'm saying.
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
dave™"
The has to be a morning after!!! It's waiting right outside...
What do you think can be accomplished militarily in a 4GW/moral conflict such as this?
NTodd
I told you, my friend.
Trolls don't think - they prefer to have FUX news and Rush Limpdick tell them what to think.
This particular troll gets his view of the world from John Wayne movies.
I believe during the Edwardian period the hourglass look was popular.
which required women to squeeze into even more contrasting corsets to get the required wasp waist.
"...He says Paris Hilton is nasty because she has no ass..."
Paris Hilton is just plain ugly. Put a bag over the pug-like face, add about twenty pounds so you can't see her boney frame. And tell her to try and come up with at least ONE other pose before the cameraman takes the shot. This slightly-turned-to-the-side-over the shoulder look is getting REAL old. You'd think all that money she spent in "acting" school would have given her a bigger portfolio of "poses for the people".
What was hot in the 1880s, I wonmder...
Doozer, (truncated)
The hourglass figure.
Guess I'll have to rely on my +3 Vorpal Blade.
That might do the trick. I'm using my +1 Wand of Snarkiness, and I'm wearing a +3 Ring of Facts.
Puts paid to the "Band Of Brothers" bullshit
if you are a vet and voted along with the Swift Boaters, you're scum lower than whale shit...
btw: Deceased Rehnquisling...
ZAFTIG means "juicy," something your dessicated ass never sampled...
Paris Hilton is just plain ugly. Put a bag over the pug-like face, add about twenty pounds so you can't see her boney frame. And tell her to try and come up with at least ONE other pose before the cameraman takes the shot. This slightly-turned-to-the-side-over the shoulder look is getting REAL old. You'd think all that money she spent in "acting" school would have given her a bigger portfolio of "poses for the people".
Ben
My 24 year old says Paris looks like Big Bird.
If she wasn't filthy rich, no one would look twice at her.
Grrrr - need coffee!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat | 11.19.05 - 12:28 pm
I think you've had enough!
19th Century Fashion Pictures (1880-188
Paris Hilton looks like what she is - a skanky assed little whore.
She's ugly and cheap.
Hey Mena ~
Dropped the professor about a month ago. I remember you were advising for it.
He's still self absorbed...
"which required women to squeeze into even more contrasting corsets to get the required wasp waist.
Moonbootica"
Ah the good old days when a guy could wrap an arm around a woman's waist and still get his house keys out of his pocket wtih the same arm and hand.
So trying to say that society is keeping women down by pushing that look is frankly kind of silly.
That look accompanied voting rights and other movements toward independence for women.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 12:23 pm | #
true, but i think it's fair to say that most fashion discourse isn't feminist or healthy.
whether it's the kate moss/heroin chic look or the brooke shields pedophilia thing, fashion standards are always about the impossible. if they promoted a look that normal, healthy women could easily attain, they wouldn't be able to see so many products related to changing your body.
i modeled for a little while, and i can tell you this: it's one of the most unhealthy worlds you can imagine. add to that the fact that most of today's images of women's bodies are photoshopped or airbrushed, and i think it's clear that women would be better off just deciding for themselves what they like to wear the most. the fashion industry just promotes the ridiculous, imho, and should be ignored.
which required women to squeeze into even more contrasting corsets to get the required wasp waist.
Moonbootica
I can't imagine what I would do if I couldn't wear slacks.
Thank God for Marlene Dietrich and Katherine Hepburn.
my philosophy is no diets and i am happy with me and how I look.
That's really all that matters. And if you can find someone who feels the same way that you love, that's icing on the cake!
Ahh, Paris isn't ugly, per se, she's just spoiled. Spoiled beyond redemption.
18th Century Late Baroque and Rococo Fashion, 1700-1725
18th Century Late Baroque and Rococo Fashion, 1786-1799
Paris Hilton is just plain ugly.
the main attraction of Paris Hilton is that she fucks and sucks very publically, and the losers with their cranks in their hands can imagine it's them...
.
chicago dyke
WORD!
if they promoted a look that normal, healthy women could easily attain, they wouldn't be able to see so many products related to changing your body.
EXACTLY!!!!!
As a kid, I remember the daytime ads featuring Jane Russell and girdles "for the full-figured gal."
The girdles may have been left behind, but the marketing niche remains.
Don't get me started on trying to find a semi-fashionable XX-Large shirt.
Fashion and the love of gravy do not mix.
Trolls don't think - they prefer to have FUX news and Rush Limpdick tell them what to think.
True, but there are lurkers. I'm more interested in the 19% who "somewhat approve of Bush (in Assmussen's poll) than the 24% who are batshit crazy. One hopes that the 19-percenters will start to come around if we keep hammering.
Paris Hilton looks like what she is - a skanky assed little whore.
She's ugly and cheap.
Tena
Bravo. Worth Repeating. (remind me never to get on your bad side, Tena)
i'm still laughing...
18th Century Late Baroque and Rococo Fashion, 1742-1760
Moonbootica - exactly. Corsets weren't ditched until the end of WWI.
That changed everything.
That was one of the biggest changes in fashion ever.
Women had not cut their hair until then. They had been forced into corsets so tightly laced they could barely breathe, and into tightly laced boots, as well.
The 20s were a fabulous fashion era for the freedom, if nothing else.
The next big change came with WWII, and the wearing of trousers.
Those are some of the most significant changes in our culture, ever.
Look at where we are now - there isn't that much difference any more between what men and women wear day in and day out. That is a huge cultural shift.
the main attraction of Paris Hilton is that she fucks and sucks very publically, and the losers with their cranks in their hands can imagine it's them...
I must say, I always get a new perspective on things from you.
Paris Hilton looks like what she is - a skanky assed little whore.
She's ugly and cheap.
She's a business woman, according to Vanity Fair.
(And did the mag get reamed for that.)
.
Women's magazines:
Why is it that they do a story on losing weight and on the next page is some recipe for a fattening desert?
Does anyone else think that sends mixed messages?
As a kid, I remember the daytime ads featuring Jane Russell and girdles "for the full-figured gal."
I remember those! I didn't know what a girdle was, and had no concept of what a full-figured gal was, either.
She's a business woman, according to Vanity Fair.
The world's oldest profession.
Terry C i have no idea.
they are very schizophrenic.
Vicki sez:
He's still self absorbed...
I wondered...
Sorry to hear.
.
Fashion and the love of gravy do not mix.
Well, that's my motto for next Thursday.
Vicki - whew! You came close to the fire, girl. I hope it wasn't too unpleasant. I also hope I didn't insult any of our academics; I can't speak with any authority on the other fields, but the arty kind are interested in two things only: having their wonderfulness validated, p7ublicly and constantly. And seeing their names in print. It'd NEVER have been about you.
And the beauty/thinness thing is ALWAYS about taking women's time and energy. Always.
Vicki - whew! You came close to the fire, girl. I hope it wasn't too unpleasant. I also hope I didn't insult any of our academics; I can't speak with any authority on the other fields, but the arty kind are interested in two things only: having their wonderfulness validated, p7ublicly and constantly. And seeing their names in print. It'd NEVER have been about you.
And the beauty/thinness thing is ALWAYS about taking women's time and energy. Always.
Well, this is my attire at the moment:
Blue bathrobe.
My attire after I type this:
Gray sweats and a laced up gray sweat shirt.
Ain't I gorgeous?
They did a survey of women in France
and 70% of them thought they were attractive.
my only diet advice: stop drinking soda.
you didn't know you were an addict, did you?
"Rigorous Intuition" website has an interesting post about woodward and other
so called "reporters".
That might do the trick. I'm using my +1 Wand of Snarkiness, and I'm wearing a +3 Ring of Facts.
NTodd |
for some reason, the term 'strap on of snarkiness' popped into my head when i read that.
if they promoted a look that normal, healthy women could easily attain, they wouldn't be able to see so many products related to changing your body.
EXACTLY!!!!!
bingo
People are all different.
Some people are thin by nature (genetics).
Not everyone else.
And not everyone large framed is constantly "stuffing their face."
i am wearing a kaftan my mother brought back from Cairo.
and a pair of slipper socks.
i am georgeous!
Paris Hilton looks like what she is - a skanky assed little whore.
She's ugly and cheap.
I don't think she's ugly. She's got a rather pretty face. Agree with the rest, though.
Excuse me - meant to say not everyone IS thin.
Fashion and the love of gravy do not mix.
for some reason, the term 'strap on of snarkiness' popped into my head when i read that.
Oh, I definitely have to find me one of them!
You know, not everyone is a slave to fashion.
You don't have to be one. I think that's one of the great things now - there isn't just one look anymore. Not by a long shot - that has been moving in that direction since the 60s.
Hey I cant' help it - I pay attention to shallow shit like fashion. I am fascinated by clothing and styles through time. Just fascinated. My World Book Encyclopedias, the D volume, had several pages of just illustrations of clothing through time and different ethnicities. I loved those pages.
Thank God for Marlene Dietrich and Katherine Hepburn.
Amen.
There's also the hellish cultural imperative to look young.
These two women wore their age like a badge of honor.
The next big change came with WWII, and the wearing of trousers.
Those are some of the most significant changes in our culture, ever.
Look at where we are now - there isn't that much difference any more between what men and women wear day in and day out. That is a huge cultural shift.
Tena
Then The Pill came along in the 1960s.
The fundie/women haters are still throwing hissy fits over that.
i've noticed also how western society worships at the altar of youth.
everything is tied to that i think.
Mena ~
but the arty kind are interested in two things only: having their wonderfulness validated, p7ublicly and constantly. And seeing their names in print. It'd NEVER have been about you.
So funny, because he sends me these e-mails, "thinking of you...blah blah blah." He has not called (good, I say), but he was playing his electronic music at a coffee house last night and wanted me to come down for "support!"
I laughed. No fucking way was I going there, and it was only about a half mile from my house. So I proceeded to get drunk, not intentionally ~ I just didn't eat and have been a bit stressed out lately.
and let's all note: almost no one here is talking about men's bodies. men can have a paunch and wrinkles and still be considered "utterly hot."
('cept in Boystown, where perfect bodies are all the rage. gay men and straight women suffer equally from self-hatred of body, i think.)
Thank God for Marlene Dietrich and Katherine Hepburn.
Amen.
There's also the hellish cultural imperative to look young.
These two women wore their age like a badge of honor.
Uncle Smokes
Don't even get me started on women trying to look and dress too young.
I'm 53. While I'm not going to dress like I'm 90, I'm not going to wear what a 20 year wears.
Some women are ridiculous like that.
And I've seen guys do it, too.
NTodd - I don't find her face the slightest bit attractive and I never have.
The Hilton sisters started being seen in fashion mags when they were 12 years old. I knew they were going to become celebrities just because they could afford to.
But I never thought either one was pretty, and especially Paris.
i am georgeous!
Moonbootica | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 12:39 pm |
And because you think so YOU ARE!!
Well pAtriots. Saturday awaits. Go ahead and start the impeachment hearings without me if I'm not back.
80% of Iraqis want us to leave.
45% of Iraqis think it is justified to attack US troops.
The country has 24 million people, so that lots of people who think it is ok to attack us.
People like have Jean Schmidt and George Bush have the some connection with reality as the Village People have with real cowboys, policemen, indians, etc.
I agree that women (and men) shouldn't be held to unrealistic physical role models, but really, it seems like most young whippersnappers today have lost that curvy transition from waist to hips. Why, in my day, we didn't eat the fast food shit so much and walked most places cause we didn't have so many cars.. Look at films of the late 60's (like the crowd at Woodstock). We were all emaciated.
(Hey, maybe constant pot smoking and acid dropping is a good diet to try?)
FWIW - Paris Hilton has little rat-eyes.
And she pretty much screams "smug".
No, thanks.
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and let's all note: almost no one here is talking about men's bodies. men can have a paunch and wrinkles and still be considered "utterly hot."
Does anyone ever tell John Goodman he's too fat?
Nope!
I remember a few years ago when Ann Wilson of Heart started to put on weight and they practically hid her in the videos.
But no one told John Popper of Blues Traveler that HE was too fat.
(John's had surgery done since then, as has Ann)
FWIW - Paris Hilton has little rat-eyes.
And a BEAK
The next big change came with WWII, and the wearing of trousers.
Those are some of the most significant changes in our culture, ever.
Hey what about shoulder pads!!
That was the 80's look of shouldering your way onto the board.
Drawstring, roomy sweatpants and (coincidentally) my "Moonbats" shirt from EschaCon.
I'm a vision of loveliness for someone into sloppy confirmed bachelors who've decided that lookism doesn't fit into their concept of the good life.
However,
The aroma have the heat-induced sublimation of Paris Hilton or her even stupider sister would be pleasing to Ba'al, yes pleasing indeed to Ba'al.
Ba'al haas spoken.
Chi-Dyke - Oh the youth thing is deadly. Absolutely deadly.
Y'all rail against the thinness fashion - try being my age.
I hate everything about the youth culture, but that's been the way it is for so long now, that despite the fact it's changing a little, it is still the tyranny of extreme youth. I just have to live with it. A person can lose weight, but they can't get younger.
Shoulder pads belong on the football field, not in women's clothing.
I used to rip them out.
Ratty blue sweatpants and a black tank top. Thinking about a shower.
Just got a haircut: Youth? They gave me a retired person's discount. (Must be showing me age. Damn!)
i think the fashion world is in love and obessed with the thin boyish figure because and *please don't flame me* the fashion designers and photographers are on the whole gay.
Y eah, I was the one who just kept saying, 'ohmyfuckinggod', over and over. I'm sure it was helpful.
(Sorry, got distracted by an E-mail.) Actually, your response was validating! But I have to report that I have the best guy in the world, apparently.
Told him about Part II of Big-Ass Bug Adventures last night -- at which point he 'fessed that he'd already gotten me a bug vacuum for Xmas and will have to give it to me early. Same gadget Hamletta mentioned I should look for.
Y eah, I was the one who just kept saying, 'ohmyfuckinggod', over and over. I'm sure it was helpful.
(Sorry, got distracted by an E-mail.) Actually, your response was validating! But I have to report that I have the best guy in the world, apparently.
Told him about Part II of Big-Ass Bug Adventures last night -- at which point he 'fessed that he'd already gotten me a bug vacuum for Xmas and will have to give it to me early. Same gadget Hamletta mentioned I should look for.
You don't have to be one. I think that's one of the great things now - there isn't just one look anymore. Not by a long shot - that has been moving in that direction since the 60s.
i think that has to do with the introduction of women into the workplace, where it doesn't make sense to stand out too much from men, and the introduction of non-white culture into the mainstream.
the most fashionable (in a good way) people i know are in the 'hood. creative, constantly changing, colorful- i take all my pointers from the "hood rats," and i'm amazed to see how often haute design will follow in the next season.
getting out of the 50s model that there is "only one look for the season" is one of the great signs of progress in our culture, i think.
A person can lose weight, but they can't get younger.
Tena
The ones who can afford spend a shitload of money on plastic surgery, though.
(A lot of times they looked better "before.")
Fashion and the love of gravy do not mix.
I find gravy to be very fashionable.
They had been forced into corsets so tightly laced they could barely breathe
About 30 years ago, Sally Struthers was playing Houdini's wife in a TV movie. Since it was set before WWI, she had to wear a corset. She sneezed and ruptured her spleen, and had to be rushed to the hospital.
and somehow their vision of a woman is thin and boyish.
like you see in fashion shoots and on the catwalk.
also notice how the models scowl and generally look miserable.
and somehow their vision of a woman is thin and boyish.
like you see in fashion shoots and on the catwalk.
also notice how the models scowl and generally look miserable.
I'm sorry, but Katherine Hepburn and Marlene Dietrich, both beautiful women, had to have hated getting older just as much as I do.
I doubt very much that they were all that sanguine about it. Show me one woman who really honestly is happy about it.
Or one man, for that matter.
It's hell.
Hey what about shoulder pads!!
That was the 80's look of shouldering your way onto the board.
Have a Pepsi, and dream of Joan Crawford.
BUG VACUUMS???? What happens when you have to change the bag?
Yesterday, I attended a local talent show. Two high-school girls sang in separate performances. They had beautiful voices, beautiful faces, plenty of confidence--it was wonderful to watch.
They also seemed to be about a size 14-16. The first thing they will probably be told when trying to break into show biz is to lose weight. And that is a damn shame.
i think the fashion world is in love and obessed with the thin boyish figure because and *please don't flame me* the fashion designers and photographers are on the whole gay.
Moonbootica
My mom used to say that.
Her theory was that they hate women and want to make them look bad.
I said "Mom, gay men do NOT hate women!"
Judy Miller (e.g.): Mutton passing for lamb
how my late mother liked to describe women pretending go be girls...
I don't see why high fashion and corpulence are mutually exclusive.
I would consider paying the extra bucks for a haute couture bib.
Have a Pepsi, and dream of Joan Crawford.
Uncle Smokes
But no wire hangers!
and let's all note: almost no one here is talking about men's bodies. men can have a paunch and wrinkles and still be considered "utterly hot."
I've been hoping to avoid the discussion. Much more interested in women's bodies than mine.
Apparently Chimpus Dickus is going to lecture the Chinese about human rights.
So, when the Chinese leader comes out to meet chimpy, wearing a black mask, and brandishing a red hot poker, poor old chimpy will look like a hypocritical idiot again.
What do you mean, he always looks like an idiot?
my philosophy is no diets and i am happy with me and how I look.
Moonbootica
For the past twenty years or so, I eat whatever I want, when I want. I have stayed at approximately the same weight, which is healthier than yo-yoing up and down. Sure I'd like to be a few pounds thinner, but hey, I yam what I yam.
also notice how the models scowl and generally look miserable.
Moonbootica
Because they're fucking hungry!!!!!
I remember those! I didn't know what a girdle was, and had no concept of what a full-figured gal was, either.
Thanks to Jane, I learned...
BUG VACUUMS???? What happens when you have to change the bag?
All the zombie bugs attack you.
For the past twenty years or so, I eat whatever I want, when I want. I have stayed at approximately the same weight, which is healthier than yo-yoing up and down. Sure I'd like to be a few pounds thinner, but hey, I yam what I yam.
ql in ny
Me, too. That's exactly how I feel.
I go for an annual physical and my weight is not a problem, according to my doctor.
at which point he 'fessed that he'd already gotten me a bug vacuum for Xmas and will have to give it to me early.
What a lucky girl you are! You got yourself a gooder!
Mena says, " I can't speak with any authority on the other fields, but the arty kind are interested in two things only: having their wonderfulness validated, p7ublicly and constantly. And seeing their names in print. It'd NEVER have been about you."
Oh Damn it! Now I am really mad. I am so furious (are you copying this down? I need the quote for my next article and btw, don't you think I am doing my outrage thing wonderfully) Really! We do not need the little people criticizing what we do: what gives them the right and experience to even begin to judge our work?
(You got all that, right?)
I remember those! I didn't know what a girdle was, and had no concept of what a full-figured gal was, either.
Thanks to Jane, I learned...
I thank her for my education, too.
I remember those! I didn't know what a girdle was, and had no concept of what a full-figured gal was, either.
Thanks to Jane, I learned...
I thank her for my education, too.
my philosophy is no diets and i am happy with me and how I look.
That reminds me - my sister's been on a new diet she developed herself.
It's called "The Don't-Eat-Crap Diet™."
She's lost 20 pounds in the last six months!
Terry C -=
We were all emaciated.
(Hey, maybe constant pot smoking and acid dropping is a good diet to try?)
Bad Art | 11.19.
i'm sure i'm not telling you anything you don't know when i say part of the reason so many 'high fashion' people are so skinny has to do with today's popular drugs. X will kill your appetite for days, meth wastes your flesh like nothing else, etc. i knew some clubheads who had to smoke pot just to have an appetite.
and moon- you're not wrong. designers will admit it, in gay-to-gay conversations.
i take all my pointers from the "hood rats," and i'm amazed to see how often haute design will follow in the next season.
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It's all chasing its tail, isn't it? I tell my high schoolers they have more power than they realize. Every sector of the fashion world has scouts out on the streets of big cities looking for trends from: the kids! All it takes is the confidence to wear something original - but of course, that's the one thing in constant short supply.
NTodd sez:
Much more interested in women's bodies than mine.
I'm much more interested in women's bodies than yours.
Funny, that.
.
Terry C - (A lot of times they looked better "before.")
Terry C,
No shit. I understand the impulse - you see the changes and you want to look the way you used to. Problem is, you end up looking like you had plastic surgery, not like you looked when you were 35.
My "rules" on clothing"
(1) If it ain't comfortable, I ain't wearin' (never worn a pair of high heels);
(2) If I feel ridiculous in it, I ain't wearin' it.
(3) If it looks ridiculous on me, I ain't wearin' it.
(4) I don't give a damn if "everyone is wearing it." If I don't like it, I ain't wearin' it!
"Hell to get old-- worse not to"---- my nearly-ninety-year-old grandmother
Haven't the Big Guns of Left Blogsylvania (e.g., Atrios, Kos) been saying this for a year now?
NYT:
The ferocity of the fight in the House over a withdrawal from Iraq shows that the war may command the high ground in the coming electoral contest, and that the course of events in Iraq - whether a new government takes hold, whether the violence continues, whether American troops are still committed in large numbers and still being killed by the scores each month - will be of prime political consequence here.
Problem is, you end up looking like you had plastic surgery, not like you looked when you were 35.
Tena
Word!
I doubt very much that they were all that sanguine about it. Show me one woman who really honestly is happy about it.
Word on that, babe. I'm 45. I still look in the mirror and can tell myself I look pretty damned good for my age. But I tell you, I see the cheeks ever so slightly starting to sag...no lines yet, other than a few subtle laugh lines, but this whole aging thing is painful.
And don't get me going on the struggle with weight.
I regret to inform each and every one of you here that I am a vain woman. The irony is that it is one of my uglier traits.
I don't want to get old because I don't want to look old.
All the zombie bugs attack you.
Is that on SciFi tonight?
Tena, I'll share Olbermann with you, since QL and Hecate have already taken Fitz.
TheOtherWA | Email | 11.19.05 - 12:27 pm | #
Ok, that means res and I will share George Clooney!
Because they're fucking hungry!!!!!
Kate Moss is a coke-head!
Stop the presses! Fashion models do coke!
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I don't think gay men hate women at all.
I think fashion designers enjoy dressing pretty women.
But there's always the push for something new and different so a lot of nonsense ensues.
"Lying to the public on national TV is one thing, but directly lying to your editor when confronted is apparently quite another in Woodward's ethics book."
Yes, and lying to the public is the more serious lie of the two. Next time you guys want to know why your papers have lost readers and everyone thinks you're ugly and stupid and no one likes you just remember, it's the lying.
The free press provisions of the bill of rights are there because people learning the truth is good and useful. If the press doesn't report the truth the public has no stake in having a free press.
What's so hard about that one, genius?
"Hell to get old-- worse not to"---- my nearly-ninety-year-old grandmother
nick carraway
Old age is the only disease that you don't look forward to being cured of.
- Mr. Bernstein in "Citizen Kane"
Librarydiane:
dahlin, size 14/16, on a teenage girl?
that's gotta be in the 150-175 weight class...middle weight/light-heavy...
unless there's A LOT of muscle, that's too damn big for any teenage girl under about 5'10"...
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Kate Moss is a coke-head!
Speaking of nasty
Does anyone ever tell John Goodman he's too fat?
Well, actually, they do. I've read it in reviews.
I remember there was quite a stir when "Continental Divide" came out way back when because Belushi had the audacity to do a semi-nude love scene. Exposing such an expanse of flesh on theatre screens was deemed quite inappropriate...
and let's all note: almost no one here is talking about men's bodies. men can have a paunch and wrinkles and still be considered "utterly hot."
Only if they have massive checks appeal.
About 30 years ago, Sally Struthers was playing Houdini's wife in a TV movie. Since it was set before WWI, she had to wear a corset. She sneezed and ruptured her spleen, and had to be rushed to the hospital.
Thanksgiving is coming up, and that traditionally is when The Wizard of Oz was broadcast.
When you watch the film, remind yourself that they strapped down Garland's breasts, ultimately severely damaging them.
It's truly amazing how much corn syrup McD's adds to their buns.
BUG VACUUMS???? What happens when you have to change the bag?
No bag in this one. Dunno how it works yet, but he says the bug gets sucked up through a transparent tube (no worries about bug getting stuck there), hits an electrified grid that kills it, and goes into a compartment. You then empty the dead-bug compartment into the trash. I still don't know if it'll "work" with my particular phobia, but I should find out later today. 'Cuz I've got 2 phone books on the floor right now covering poisoned-and-drowned palmetto bugs.
Pretty soon I'll develop a phobia about phone books on the floor.
I've been told that I don't look 53.
When I turned 50, one of my daughter's friend refused to believe I was "that old."
But hey, I'm not going to sweat about "getting old."
I'm healthy, and that's what counts.
Besides, I never had any looks to lose!
Paint-splattered chinos and a moth-eaten black shirt.
I am so hottt.
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I doubt very much that they were all that sanguine about it. Show me one woman who really honestly is happy about it.
don't hate me for saying this tena, but i look forward to the day when men don't stare at me. really. my mom is 60 and is still statuesque and beautiful, and with my yoga habits i'm pretty sure i'll never get fat.
but it can be such a burden, when you just want to be 'frumpy' and not be noticed, and can't even hide behind glasses and your hair in a bun. there's something predatory and distrubing about the way some men look at you.
it's what i like about being with women. so many lesbians are truly over the age, size or "beauty" issues of their partners and lovers. we have other issues, but usually seeking girlfriends who approximate paris hilton isn't one of them.
Take a look at Marilyn Monroe.
Today, she'd be called fat.
Weird.
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spork_incident
The same is true in the case of men. Look at shirtless men in films from the 50s and before. Even the ones who were supposed to be standouts would now be called out of shape.
well British size wise i am a size 16.
which i believe in American size it is a 14?
"the most fashionable (in a good way) people i know are in the 'hood. creative, constantly changing, colorful- i take all my pointers from the "hood rats," and i'm amazed to see how often haute design will follow in the next season."
Everything is regurgitated from the street. The stylists and designers rip everything from the kids from the hood
(or from history)then they make it cost a mint by putting some fancy touches on it.
(4) I don't give a damn if "everyone is wearing it." If I don't like it, I ain't wearin' it!
Terry C
That's the beauty of life today - you don't have to any more. The variety of clothing options is huge - much huger than it has ever been. There used to be one fashionable look and that was it.
Not so any more. There are all kinds of looks and people can dress however the hell they want to. It's wonderful.
unless there's A LOT of muscle, that's too damn big for any teenage girl under about 5'10"...
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WRONG~!! Kids are bigger thses days, really. Growing up in So Cal, I always reacted to numbers that way too: "120?! Oh my GOD!!" But I'm a shrimp who grew up in that neurotic atmosphere. Real people have mass, and despite the heralded'obesity' epidemic, most of these kids ARE muscular, and look pretty healthy to me.
I remember there was quite a stir when "Continental Divide" came out way back when because Belushi had the audacity to do a semi-nude love scene. Exposing such an expanse of flesh on theatre screens was deemed quite inappropriate...
dave™
They made John lose weight for that part, if I remember correctly.
When you watch the film, remind yourself that they strapped down Garland's breasts, ultimately severely damaging them.
P'shaw! Boobs are malleable.
"Getting old is not for sissies."
Bette Davis.
Time for my previous haircutting story: I went there. Beautiful young girl hairdresser. Cut my hair. Turned on. Asked what I taught. Said fifth grade. What subjects? All of them. "Oh, I would not like to do that: you have to know too much."
Drooping.
End of story.
Beauty is all in your mind and, to be honest, what we are has little to do with what we look like. WGG can criticize young girls who are not emaciated all he wants, it is what they believe and think that is important anyway. Anyone who believes otherwise probably is pre-cognizant of the wonders of living together and sharing something beside rabbit sex.
"Chain of events" de-fence . . .
which i believe in American size it is a 14?
The stores here sell size 0.
What the hell is size 0?
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I've been told that I don't look 53.
I've been told the same thing.
My kid is 5'10", 185. No shit. She is very big boned, and toned beyond probably almost anyone posting here ~ she swims for 2-1/2 hours a day.
Size 11.
Not so any more. There are all kinds of looks and people can dress however the hell they want to. It's wonderful.
Tena
Remember what it was like before these masterminds realized that full-figured women had money to spend on clothes?
Old ladies' shit, I used to call it.
Horrible stuff - no selection whatsoever.
It was like a "fuck you" to any woman who wore larger than a size 12.
The stores here sell size 0.
What the hell is size 0?
Behold, the Vanity Size.
These two women wore their age like a badge of honor
Um, I hate to burst your bubble, but both women had multiple face lifts.
Not that there's anything wrong with that necessarily.
What the hell is size 0?
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spork_incident
Ridiculous
What a lucky girl you are! You got yourself a gooder!
hamletta
I do indeed. Was looking around for you last night to tell you about this.
* * *
I'm enjoying the weight/aging discussion -- kind of lurking on it, actually, being 47 and carrying extra baggage. I'm embracing the age thing as much as possible, though. I think of it as wearing a permanent costume, sorta. It's just time for me to look like everybody's mom, whether that's how I feel or not.
Not so any more. There are all kinds of looks and people can dress however the hell they want to. It's wonderful.
Me:
Fruit hat, scuba mask, chainmail, petticoats, football pads, lace gloves, and romper-stompers. Carrying at all times a rubber chicken.
Comfortable AND stylish.
Because they're fucking hungry!!!!!
Terry C
I read an autobiography of a ballerina too many years ago to remember the name. For lunch, this young woman had a bite of an apple. Dinner was a feast, one lettuce leaf and some yogurt. And on this diet she practiced about eight hours a day.
They made John lose weight for that part, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, it was big fucking deal... I think they also had to go down their list of actresses before they'd find one willing to appear naked with the whale. He was pretty nervous about it, too...
P'shaw! Boobs are malleable.
Oh, yes!
[i'll go away now]
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The same is true in the case of men. Look at shirtless men in films from the 50s and before. Even the ones who were supposed to be standouts would now be called out of shape.
Check out William Shatner in those original Star Trek episodes where he's shirtless--sucking in that doughy paunch.
I wonder if the stress of keeping that in is where he got is trademark speaking style?
"Bones, I...(ungh)...can't...(ungh)...seem to...(ungh)...catch my breath!"
Getting old, you can't do anything about it except kill yourself. I don't think about it.
I don't give a damn what Richard Clark said, there was no Iraq/al qaeda connection. Period.
I don't think gay men hate women at all.
I think fashion designers enjoy dressing pretty women.
sure, most do. but there really are some gay men out there who struggle with serious love/hate/envy issues with women- several of my friends in the design biz, in fact.
it's better now, i think. but i'm thinking of two guys in particular i know, very openly and flamingly queer, with whom i've had more than one argument about the social construction of the ideal woman's body and the role of gay/queer deisgners. i think one of them would choose to live in a world totally without women, if he could. he's that uncomfortable with the feminine. and yet, he's the biggest bottom i know. go figure.
I'll also add, before I go scrub the toilet, that I have been with fat men, tall men, short men, thin men, and athletic men, gorgeous men, ugly men.
I'm telling you, when you're loving them, it doesn't really make a difference. It's what is in the mind that matters to me.
Old ladies' shit, I used to call it.
One of my favorite writers, Gwen, the former trailer trash housewife used to shop at Lame Giant.
Beautiful young girl hairdresser. Cut my hair. Turned on. Asked what I taught. Said fifth grade. What subjects? All of them. "Oh, I would not like to do that: you have to know too much."
Future Repugnican housewife.
Fruit hat, scuba mask, chainmail, petticoats, football pads, lace gloves, and romper-stompers. Carrying at all times a rubber chicken.
Did you take it from the knight in platemail on Monty Python when he tried to hit you?
Chicago-Dyke - well, that's a difference between you and me. I like being looked at. I used to turn heads, and I enjoyed it.
It was very hard for me to adjust to the change when men started writing me off because I was older.
P'shaw! Boobs are malleable.
Oh, yes!
Indeed, it's one of their great features.
P'shaw! Boobs are malleable.
richard perle said something similar.
After 40 you choose between your ass and your face. The rich women around here are skinny little sticks, but their faces look horrible, even with plastic surgery. Better to carry some junk in the trunk and look healthy and happy. I don't diet and I don't worry about my weight. At 53 I weigh more than I did at 23, but tant pis.
fitz: humble quiet and crafty
Ballet dancers smoke a lot as well to keep their weight down.
i believe when Covent Garden/The Royal Opera House was being refurbished a special smokers terrace was created for the ballet dancers who smoke.
Wasn't there a sitcom scene where about eight fashion models are sitting at a table in a restaurant supposedly eating shrimp cocktail, and one of them finally pipes up, "OK, who wants to finish the shrimp?"?
I don't give a damn what Richard Clark said, there was no Iraq/al qaeda connection. Period.
bob
Only in wingnut imaginations.
Comfortable AND stylish.
Thers
==
No kippers?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Fruit hat, scuba mask, chainmail, petticoats, football pads, lace gloves, and romper-stompers. Carrying at all times a rubber chicken.
Comfortable AND stylish.
Thers
What did happen to the Macintosh Society?
"You know you're old when you start giving your age in squares."
I read an autobiography of a ballerina too many years ago to remember the name.
Gelsey Kirkland? I remember reading about one of them having Ex-Lax for lunch.
Fucking George Ballanchine.
Check out William Shatner in those original Star Trek episodes where he's shirtless--sucking in that doughy paunch.
I think I know the thing you mean - and yet in his Shakespeare days he was subsisting on one bowl of fruit salad. He must've been stick-thin when he was poorly off, and presumably his body got so used to a starvation diet it couldn't cope with ordinary doses of food.
Comfortable AND stylish.
Isn't the chainmail heavy?
P'shaw! Boobs are malleable.
But getting them cancelled hurts.
Remember that book French Women Don't Get Fat? French women smoke like fiends, that's why they don't get fat. The author never mentioned the smoking.
bush: done ruined and fucked
I don't give a damn what Richard Clark said, there was no Iraq/al qaeda connection. Period.
There wasn't. Clarke speculating years ago about what bin Laden MIGHT do, and which we know perfectly well he DIDN'T do, is only "proof" of a "connection" to the mentally ill.
Gelsey went a little wacko when Barishnikov broke up with her.
She went really anorexic after that.
Ballerinas torture every inch of their bodies from the time they are little girls.
There's nothing natural about what they do.
When you watch the film, remind yourself that they strapped down Garland's breasts, ultimately severely damaging them.
So now, I'm thinking of the scene in "Victor Victoria" where Julie Andrews is telling Robert Preston that, if she has to keep strapping down her "bosoms", they're "gonna look like two empty wallets."
"Bones, I...(ungh)...can't...(ungh)...seem to...(ungh)...catch my breath!"
Now I have disturbing images in my head.
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bush: done ruined and fucked
Arabella
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Gelsey Kirkland? I remember reading about one of them having Ex-Lax for lunch.
Fucking George Ballanchine.
Exactly. And then many of them, Kirkland especially, discovered coke.
Ballerinas torture every inch of their bodies from the time they are little girls.
There's nothing natural about what they do.
Tena
I'm wondering just how many of them have breast reduction surgery.
we should also inject race into this discussion. black and latin men in the country loften ike their women rounded and bouncy. is olexicon here? "i like big butts and i will not lie..."
OT, butChristmas cards for people who hate Christmas!
don't hate me for saying this tena, but i look forward to the day when men don't stare at me.
It's not that men stop staring at you, it's that they don't see you at all. You actually become invisible.
Isn't the chainmail heavy?
You'd be surprised what the best designers and smelters are doing with industrial-grade steel nowadays!
At 53 I weigh more than I did at 23, but tant pis.
My brother is 55 and has been having exactly the opposite problem: he tant stop pissing.
we should also inject race into this discussion. black and latin men in the country loften ike their women rounded and bouncy.
Obesity in Malian women is considered such a status symbol that mothers will force-feed their daughters.
we should also inject race into this discussion. black and latin men in the country loften ike their women rounded and bouncy. is olexicon here? "i like big butts and i will not lie..."
chicago dyke
I notice that.
And how come you never see black men wearing toupees?
i remember reading about a famous ballerina who suffered some serious mental problems.
and she ended up in an American aslyumn claming she was this famous ballerina.
the name escapes me tho.
I like being invisible.
It's not that men stop staring at you, it's that they don't see you at all. You actually become invisible.
ql in ny
Well, I never got that anyway, so....
It was very hard for me to adjust to the change when men started writing me off because I was older.
Tena
Hilarious. They were writing you off because you're ugly.
I went to ballet classes when i was 5.
when i see photos now i am so suvelt lol
"sure, most do. but there really are some gay men out there who struggle with serious love/hate/envy issues with women- several of my friends in the design biz, in fact."
..but then what would they do for work?
And how come you never see black men wearing toupees?
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Little Richard?
I like being invisible
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Me too. I wasn't when I was younger, and I always thought I would like to be unnoticed. I do.
Um, I hate to burst your bubble, but both women had multiple face lifts.
Yeah, you're right. I was mainly thinking of Katherine Hepburn acting in her final years, where she looked old because she was old.
I just wanted to inject the youth angle into the discussion.
In the end, using models and actors as examples of body image is, afterall, part of the problem.
[Now I've gotta clean up all this bubble mess around me!]
When black men say a woman has "big legs", they don't mean it as an insult!
well, batties, i'd love to stay and chat but duty calls. big, small, fat, short, thin or tall- liberals are always sexy. have a great afternoon, y'all.
You can't make judgments based on women's clothing size. It's so variable, so non-standard, it's ridiculous.
In this family, the women all tend to be large-framed, tall, wide-hipped, big-busted, and skinny until they have kids. I look back at photos from when I was <24 (5'9", probably about 145, pre-kids) and thought I was HUGE -- I was crazy. It didn't help that I was married to a body-Nazi.
My daughters are both 5'10"ish, weigh about 135, and they are skinny. And they eat anything they want.
What's this about Dick Clark and al-Qaeda? American Talibanstand? New Year's Iraqin' Eve? Huh?
If men don't notice me I have no reason to live!
Eve Ensler, The Good Body, live at the Miami Book Fair on c-span2/BookTV now.
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it's better now, i think. but i'm thinking of two guys in particular i know, very openly and flamingly queer, with whom i've had more than one argument about the social construction of the ideal woman's body and the role of gay/queer deisgners. i think one of them would choose to live in a world totally without women, if he could. he's that uncomfortable with the feminine. and yet, he's the biggest bottom i know. go figure.
chicago dyke | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 1:05 pm
There's something similar in the case of some lesbians and men. Again, some of the ones with the greatest problem about men are the most butch. As you say, go figure.
Arabella sez:
I like being invisible.
I can see you just fine.
(Pssst - I don't think your plan is working.)
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What the hell is size 0?
I had three sisters, all of whom were built like Mena, short, thin and cute. All three had dark hair as well. One of them had to come to NYC to get size "o" maternity clothes.
ql - that's exactly it - you become invisible.
It's really weird after years of being looked at to suddenly disappear.
I like being invisible
I wish I could make myself invisible at will. Then I could sneak around.
In the end, using models and actors as examples of body image is, afterall, part of the problem.
Especially since they're some of the most fucked up and insecure people on earth.
I see the parties been going on awhile.
Morning batses.
Ballerinas torture every inch of their bodies from the time they are little girls.
There's nothing natural about what they do.
Tena
A couple of years ago the Boston Ballet lost one of its dancers to an eating disorder, she died. In the stories one of the women, I think she was a choreographer, said something like, well you don't want their boobies moving after the rest of them have stopped. What is really sick are the childrens' books about ballet with the anorexic looking little girls with those sad judgemental faces. It is a sick world.
Nowadays, ballet is a sick art form, the other end of the spectrum from football and sumo.
I like being invisible
I wish I could make myself invisible at will. Then I could sneak around.
NTodd
Right into the Oval Office. That's what I would do!
When black men say a woman has "big legs", they don't mean it as an insult!
I think you mean "big tits."
He must've been stick-thin when he was poorly off, and presumably his body got so used to a starvation diet it couldn't cope with ordinary doses of food.
Actually, I think his story was he'd start the season off in good shape, then as the 6-7 day, 18-hour a day schedule progressed, he'd have less and less time to work out (plus eating whatever the hell they had available on the set - think donuts and pastries).
About halfway through the season, the producers would roll a reel of "fat" footage for him and he'd be shamed into getting back into shape.
You can actually chart his weight fluctuation if you watch the episodes in the order they were filmed (esp. season two, when he has that weird wraparound green tunic shirt that really shows off his breasts!)...
I wish I could make myself invisible at will. Then I could sneak around.
NTodd
Right into the Oval Office. That's what I would do!
Oh, that would work, too. I was thinking more about rifling through women's lingerie drawers...
Oh, oh. Ted's gotten into mommy's clothes again.
What is really sick are the childrens' books about ballet with the anorexic looking little girls with those sad judgemental faces. It is a sick world.
Nowadays, ballet is a sick art form, the other end of the spectrum from football and sumo.
EPT
Then there's gymnastics.
Remember the one young gal who starved to death?
Plus they break bones because they're not getting the proper amount of calcium, etc.
I read the other day where Brit Eklund is having all kinds of problems like that. All the dieting in the 1960s.....
I don't understand it. If I am ugly men won't look at me. It's perplexing.
Oh, that would work, too. I was thinking more about rifling through women's lingerie drawers...
NTodd
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Always with the pants. Even when you could be saving the republuic!
I don't understand it. If I am ugly men won't look at me. It's perplexing.
liberal woman
Troll,
We don't WANT to have YOUR kind anywhere NEAR us.
Weird how LMAO disappeared, and now 'liberal woman' is here to provide us with, uh...strawmen.
I'm going more w/ Drum's second scenario myself. Bob says one of the reasons he didn't say anything about the SrWHO? that told him about Plame is that he wanted to avoid being subpoenaed.
But if he thought SrWHO? would have testified truthfully, he would have been prepared for the subpoena as an inevitability, wouldn't he?
So I think he kept quiet, aware that SrWHO? must have, too, until some little bird sent a message that the jig was up. And that bird must have also dropped a line to Isikoff, who decided that since he'd be seeing Bob on Larry King's show, he'd bring it up.
There it was, a coded message from Mike to Bob, right there in front of Larry King and the world and everything . . . I figure Bob had to tell Downie and together they gave SrWHO? a heads up so he could go to Fitz before Bob dropped the dime.
Oh, that would work, too. I was thinking more about rifling through women's lingerie drawers...
NTodd
Walking 'round in women's underwear...
I am starting to understand the whole 'damn finners' thing.
B'lieve it or not, i usta be thought durn good lookin, too
6'1", 185#, shoulders that'd fill a doorway (when i was surfin and carpenterin all the time)
up to about 20 years ago...
nowadays, if it weren't for the wild, white beard, nobody'd even notice...just another aging, balding, white dude with a bit of a paunch...
however, i gotta say, at my 40th HS reunion last year, a number of acquaintances asked me where i kept the portrait that bore the traces of all my well-known depravities, cuz it ain't evident in my countenance, they said...
Always with the pants. Even when you could be saving the republuic!
I've got priorities.
Miami Book Fair live schedule on c-span2/BookTV:
http://www.booktv.org/misc/
miami...05.asp#saturday
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Always with the pants. Even when you could be saving the republuic!
I've got priorities.
Weird how LMAO disappeared, and now 'liberal woman' is here to provide us with, uh...strawmen.
NTodd
The ONLY women LMAO/liberal woman can get are the blow up kind.
When black men say a woman has "big legs", they don't mean it as an insult!
"Big legs -- Tight skirt -- 'Bout to drive me outta my mind..."
--- John Lee Hooker
Gotta love The Hook.
well i still enjoy ballet.
always have.
I used to love the Angelina Ballerina series of books when i was younger.
Darcy Bussell has had 3 children and she still dances, she seems pretty ok.
I don't understand it. If I am ugly men won't look at me. It's perplexing.
liberal woman
Imagine a c. 55 year old man sitting on his "farm" in Ct. wearing his dress up dresses as he types this.
6'1", 185#, shoulders that'd fill a doorway (when i was surfin and carpenterin all the time)
up to about 20 years ago...
Is that when you think the sixties ended?
Bob says one of the reasons he didn't say anything about the SrWHO? that told him about Plame is that he wanted to avoid being subpoenaed.
Was that before or after he was claiming to be willing to do Miller's jail time for her?
You'd be surprised what the best designers and smelters are doing with industrial-grade steel nowadays!
That's good to know.
i'm used to being invisible.
doesn't help that i am shy. used to be really bad at school but things have improved a little since then.
Don't pay attention, Woody.
Was that before or after he was claiming to be willing to do Miller's jail time for her?
He's a lying hack. He's on their side- he should just admit it.
And the WAPO should just fucking fire him.
Imagine a c. 55 year old man sitting on his "farm" in Ct. wearing his dress up dresses as he types this.
EPT
Or a 59 year old one sitting at his "ranch" in Crawford, Texas.....
When black men say a woman has "big legs", they don't mean it as an insult!
And God knows, us