I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hi Hecate.
Hi, Halfdan!
Mind Meld!
NotQuiteMorningHICA!
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Sixteen former intelligence officers released a letter they wrote to President George W. Bush early in the week asking for a pledge not to pardon anyone involved in leaking Valerie Plame's name to reporters and to pull security clearances of anyone at the White House who spoke to reporters about her CIA status.
So says the AP.
Ratfight!
Tbe front yard is leaf-free. The backyard, that's another story.
Tbe front yard is leaf-free. The backyard, that's another story.
Half the frontyard is leaf free. I don't mind the leaves myself, but the wifey thinks they're "messy."
elven?
GOP Lawmakers Float Ethics Probe of Murtha
By John Bresnahan
Roll Call Staff
Friday, Nov. 18
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Bah.
Halfdan,
I get so many, they'd kille the grass if I just left them. The county comes and gets them and turns them into mulch.
Humbug.
I beg to leave, to hear your wonderous threads.
Looks like we have a Yes fan in the house.
Does the U.S. House of Representatives *have* an Ethics Committee?
r@d@r: elven?
These go to elven.
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Let the Christmas shopping begin!
I thought the new target was 1000 posts. What're we doing up here already?
a foggy morning, mozart for moms, a pregnant wife and two pups asleep on the couch...nothing could be finer.
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Can you say misuse of power, boys and girls?
Gyah... I just read in the paper that 1972's "Poseidon Adventure" was "decidedly unhip disaster movie populated largely whith Haollywood has-beens."
It won an Acadamy Award and was nominated in nine categories! ...plus others.
Oh, well... I'm off to see Harry Potter's challenge of the puberties (also known as "Goblet of Fire" (if you know what I mean)).
On Countdown tonight, Newsweek's Howard Fineman was tapped with commenting on the Republican attack on Murtha, which has now devolved into Republicans asserting they will launch an ethics probe of Murtha in explicit retaliation for his stance on the Iraq War. Fineman is a frequent guest on the program, an expert commentator, a solid reporter, and usually meets the challenge with the same plays of detached though good-natured bemusement that most reporters choose for such occasions. Punditry has to be light, it seems, to make up for the subject matter.
But this time around, on the heels of a report on the Iraq War debate in the House, Fineman was somewhere between somber and simmering, from the first moment of the interview to the last. Professional, yes, but the raw darkness of the mood was striking.
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Fineman was remarkably blunt in his assertions that the "ethics" and other attacks on Murtha are being orchestrated by Karl Rove -- by name -- and the White House, which intends to hit Murtha with everything "necessary". He stated directly that the White House sees everything as a political operation. He was blunt in Murtha's record and leadership position in the war, and in attributing to Murtha the behind-the-scenes voices of many top Pentagon voices who are unhappy with both the state of the war effort and with Rumsfeld's planning in the specific.
In short, he made it perfectly, bitterly clear that the White House itself sees Murtha as a tremendous threat, considers itself at war with Murtha, and that Rove -- again, by name -- intends to hit him with everything at the administration's disposal.
And without betraying any secrets of the Washington press corps, I'd have to say that Fineman, for one, met the airways today genuinely either angry or disgusted with the effort.
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Oh, bring it on, motherfuckers. BRING. IT. ON!
White pear tea. Who knew?
Damn, thought I would be Frifth.
So says the AP.
Ratfight!
monica_nyc
Unfortunately, he won't pay any attention to 'former' intelligence officials.
Not that he'd pay any to current ones, either.
Looks like we have a Yes fan in the house.
You're just now figuring that out?
Sixteen former intelligence officers released a letter they wrote to President George W. Bush early in the week asking for a pledge not to pardon anyone involved in leaking Valerie Plame's name to reporters and to pull security clearances of anyone at the White House who spoke to reporters about her CIA status.
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Ratfight indeed! Cool!
...a foggy morning, mozart for moms, a pregnant wife and two pups asleep on the couch...
Except for the fog, that's my vision of hell!
But that's just me... 
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Live Free or Die | Email | 11.19.05 - 1:45 pm
when attempting to assassinate someone's character, it's perhaps best not to use a rubber knife.
[sigh]
I remember when she was Hecate Benificent.
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Can you say misuse of power, boys and girls?
Ooh, that's much easier to say than 'fucking GOP bastards!'
I saw The Pseiden Adventure in the theater when I was eight.
I flipped [!] for it.
For a while, I'd make up stories--like there's this undersea lab (another childhood obsession), and there's this earthquake, and the lab turns upside down!
[Coming to SciFi next season]
r@d@r - sounds nice!
dave - just curious, do you actually manage to make a living?
Looks like we have a Yes fan in the house.
You're just now figuring that out?
Yea, Have I been missing hints? I just picked up on it b/c I actuall read the open thread, adn a Yes song popped into my head. I actually saw them right b4 they jumed the shark.
I'm kind of curious to see if the House slapfest will cause any change in the polls as to whether voters prefer a Dem or Rep Congress in '06.
It got quite a lot of airplay in the msm, no?
Gyah... I just read in the paper that 1972's "Poseidon Adventure" was "decidedly unhip disaster movie populated largely whith Haollywood has-beens."
Huh? Lousy movie...but it was a goddamn blockbuster and spawned a huge hit for Vicki Carr. I saw it in some nightmare drive-in in Thousand Oaks, CA. Absolutely packed with teenagers.
Plus, those kind of movies were all the rage back then. Everyone at my school went to them, that's for sure.
I'm off to see Harry Potter's challenge of the puberties
If Emma Watson has a nude scene let me know.
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...spawned a huge hit for Vicki Carr.
BZZZZT! Ooh, no, sorry... we were looking for Maureen McGovern.
But we have some lovely parting gifts...!
Except for the fog, that's my vision of hell!
But that's just me...
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 1:49 pm
didn't anybody tell you all the best people are down in hell?
i'm tempted to send you a volume of oscar wilde for christmas, dave. and maybe some ambrose bierce on the side.
I think Mr. Rove might have made a very big mistake in targeting Congressman Murtha, a very big mistake.
I get the impression from Murtha's speech that he can take care of himself, but the fact that a whole lot of Dems and a few Republicans have come to his defense just makes the whole scene delicious.
pie, more popcorn please.
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
Live Free or Die | Email | 11.19.05 - 1:45 pm
when attempting to assassinate someone's character, it's perhaps best not to use a rubber knife.
I am glad that they are doing this b/c it is so transparent. Now the dems that had any inkling towards bipartisanship can take out their brass knuckles and brawl, like they should have been for the past few years.
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
This has gotta make rank and file GOP-ers uncomfortable. They got voted in to office to uphold Christian virtues and lower taxes. Not to destroy vindictively the lives of their fellow Congressmen when they speak their conscience.
There will be a huge backlash, and they'll have to decide whether they want GOP money or if they want to try for re-election on their own.
...do you actually manage to make a living?
Off Cafe Press? Ooh, no, sorry...
a whole lot of Dems and a few Republicans have come to his defense
What are the odds that the Sunday fuckdoll shows will trot out McCain tomorrow?
Looks like we have a Yes fan in the house.
You're just now figuring that out?
Yea, Have I been missing hints?
Ah, the attention detail I've come to expect from Mr. Let The Poor People Eat Twenty-five Cent Tofu.
Why didn't the democrat not vote on that bogus Iraq withdraw resolution? When the vote was happening, they should have walk out in mass, in support of Rep. Murtha?
Man, I wish I could love the Democrats as much as I hate the Republicans!
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
In other news:
Turkeys welcome Thanksgiving.
I get so many, they'd kille the grass if I just left them. The county comes and gets them and turns them into mulch.
Ah, true. I mulch mine myself, but with the little one less time to keep up the yard than usual. Who knew that babies took up so much of your time?
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
BZZZZT! Ooh, no, sorry... we were looking for Maureen McGovern.
Oooh, you're right. That's actually the kind of thing that really makes me happy, 'cause normally I have an infallible memory for that stuff. Maybe I managed to dislodge that bit of trivia with a piece of useful information.
Vicki Carr, now that I think of it, had a big hit with it in Spanish.
If Emma Watson has a nude scene let me know.
I so can't wait until 2008.
we were looking for Maureen McGovern.
There's got to be a morning after.
{{{shudder}}}
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Man, I wish I could love the Democrats as much as I hate the Republicans!
Man, I wish concern trolls were harder to spot... like Waldo!
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I get the impression from Murtha's speech that he can take care of himself,
I get the impression that he wouldn't have made that speech without a tacit nod from his friends over at the Pentagon.
They got voted in to office to uphold Christian virtues and lower taxes. Not to destroy vindictively the lives of their fellow Congressmen when they speak their conscience.
Wonder whether the revolutionary right knows that Murtha is anti-choice.
Yay! Hot dogs for breakfast!
Why didn't the democrat not vote on that bogus Iraq withdraw resolution? When the vote was happening, they should have walk out in mass, in support of Rep. Murtha?
Man, I wish I could love the Democrats as much as I hate the Republicans!
Uh, because voting No along with Murtha, and the Republican sponsor of the bill, made a rather impressive statement that confuses the GOP and concern trolls.
I get the impression that he wouldn't have made that speech without a tacit nod from his friends over at the Pentagon.
pseudonymous in nc
Ditto.
[sigh]
I remember when she was Hecate Benificent.
That was before she started crushing heads.
There's got to be a morning after.
{{{shudder}}}
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Yep. That, One Tin Soldier, and the fucking starlight vocal band are in perpetual competition for 70's nadir.
...i'm tempted to send you a volume of oscar wilde for christmas...
"Work is the refuge of people with nothing better to do!"
...maybe some ambrose bierce on the side.
"Creditor, (n.): One of a tribe of savages dwelling beyond the Financial Straits and dreaded for their desolating incursions..."
Guess what? Le Beaujolais Nouveau est arrivée! I think I deserve a small glass for all that yard work. Yes. Yes, I do.
In short, he made it perfectly, bitterly clear that the White House itself sees Murtha as a tremendous threat, considers itself at war with Murtha, and that Rove -- again, by name -- intends to hit him with everything at the administration's disposal.
Every bomb dropped in Iraq, every round fired, has had, since the day we invaded, two targets -- the military one, and the Democratic Party, and the vision of the nation that it at its best represents.
The war in Iraq is, was, and was planned as a American proxy civil war.
Like all civil wars, it represents the recourse to arms, after peaceful means have failed, to answer certain key questions about how a nation should go forward.
In 1861, this nation went to war within and against itself because the ordinary civil political process couldn't bring forth satisfactory answers to key questions:
Who is a 'real' American, anyways? Are there gradations and degrees to American-ness?
Where should political power be located in practice, as opposed to theory?
How long is the reach of the central government meant to be?
What is an economy for?
...and many others.
The questions haven't really changed since the Gettysburg Address.
Now we're fighting over these questions again, but in best modern MBA practice, there have been some changes.
The actual war, like a staff retreat, has been taken off-site.
The actual dying has been largly outsourced, and gone offshore to be done largely by the Iraqis. Iraq is basically a maquiladora of death.
The actual paying for the war has been conducted in the approved modern style -- Enron style.
And like the 1861 unpleasantness, the whole thing was timed around an election.
And as Lincoln said he would free all the slaves, to save the Union, and free none of the slaves, to save the Union, and free some, and leave others alone, to save the Union, BushCo would leave every Iraqi under a secular despotism to finish off the Democratic Party and what it stands for, or leave them all under an Islamic theocracy, to finish off the Democratic Party or under a parliamentary republic, to finish off the Democratic Party.
The war in Iraq is not about Iraq.
they should have walk out in mass, in support of Rep. Murtha
Murtha, himself, voted against the sham resolution; he didn't walk out.
spork_incident: stop. that. right. now.
starlight vocal band are in perpetual competition for 70's nadir.
Starland Vocal Band. That record's actually great if you play the 45 at 33. Parts of it sound like Gregorian chant.
I looked up Vicki Carr in IMDB, and found that in 1972 she was "Sixth Go-Go Dancer" in The Gore Gore Girls.
That's Entertainment!
Ah, the attention detail I've come to expect from Mr. Let The Poor People Eat Twenty-five Cent Tofu.
You are sounding like a republican now. You know I said that I buy tofu for $.50. And what is wrong with poor people eating tofu, that would be much healthier than what they are now eating.
Yay! Hot dogs for breakfast!
Can I get a Slurpee™ with that?
They got voted in to office to uphold Christian virtues and lower taxes. Not to destroy vindictively the lives of their fellow Congressmen when they speak their conscience.
Wonder whether the revolutionary right knows that Murtha is anti-choice.
monica_nyc
The (D) or the (R) behind their names has become the new indicator of Christianity rather than a shiny gold cross.
I wonder how fast leaving Iraq would become an article of the faith if Bush said it was time to go.
The majority of Americans want us out of Iraq. Heck, the majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq.
Why did the Democrats vote to keep us there?
You're right Phila.
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The war in Iraq is not about Iraq.
Davis X. Machina
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They just get to die.
For those keeping score at home: Tub of Tofu at Safeway - $1.79.
And now, back to our game...
Why is it that reugs have a nasty tendency to "indirectly" attack those who differ with them?
I'm sure that if they dig deep enough, they'll find "something" to get "enraged" about. Unfortunately, it's nothing more than a fishing trip "to see if" there is anything amiss.
regards
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So what the hell was Vicki Carr's big hit...something equally bombastic..."It Must Be Him"?
Haloscan hates me.
What I said was, when his defense fund is organized, I hope Atrios will post a link because I'll donate. We can't let Rove "make an example" of him.
Wonder whether the revolutionary right knows that Murtha is anti-choice.
monica_nyc
He opposes school vouchers?
Why didn't the democrat not vote on that bogus Iraq withdraw resolution? When the vote was happening, they should have walk out in mass, in support of Rep. Murtha?
Man, I wish I could love the Democrats as much as I hate the Republicans!
Because the GOP was trying to play a stupid game and the Dems refused to go along with it. As the very sensible Mrs. Halfdan says, "they're acting like just a bunch of children."
We want the women of this country to think of the Republicans as bratty children and the Democrats as the practical party trying to solve our problems.
The majority of Americans want us out of Iraq. Heck, the majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq.
Why did the Democrats vote to keep us there?
Why are you such a stupid goatfucker?
Yep. That, One Tin Soldier, and the fucking starlight vocal band are in perpetual competition for 70's nadir.
Damn you, mena, damn you.
Now I have "skyyyyy-rockets in flight..." coursing through my brain!
Damn you!
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Saw Tweety on the tube this morning-he said that Murtha has roiled the Washington establishment, because, unlike other Democrats, Murtha has credibility on military matters because he served with honor.
Hellllo-does the name John Kerry ring a bell? Have I mentioned how much I loathe Christopher Matthews. Somehow, the Democrats are always at fault.
that would be much healthier than what they are now eating
How do you presume to know what poor people eat?
Why didn't the democrat not vote on that bogus Iraq withdraw resolution? When the vote was happening, they should have walk out in mass, in support of Rep. Murtha?
Man, I wish I could love the Democrats as much as I hate the Republicans!
Uh, because voting No along with Murtha, and the Republican sponsor of the bill, made a rather impressive statement that confuses the GOP and concern trolls.
The spin on this is simple: Dems didnt vote against Murtha's bill, they voted against Hunter's Bill. It was a stunt b/c, why would they write a bill and bring it to the floor if no repubs were going to vote for it?
Seeing Ernest Borgnine in his undershirt in The Poseiden Adventure spawned one of my earliest remembered dreams--actually a precocious sexual nightmare.
I will spare y'all the details.
Sorry Spork. I really am.
Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and his brother’s lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee.
but his wife is fair game!
"there's got to be a morning after..."
I'd really like to know why Democrats didn't vote for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. I want it, you want it, and the Iraqis want it.
Shouldn't we get our troops out now?
Look, you could be Jesus Christ crossed with George Patton, but if you criticised Op. Iraqi Clusterfuck, the wingnut crowd would call you a hippie coward traitor.
So what the hell was Vicki Carr's big hit...something equally bombastic..."It Must Be Him"?
DING DING DING DING DING!
We have a wiener!!!
Wash it down with a Slurpee™...
(We would also have accepted "Call Me.")
I thought Vicki Carr's only hit was "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia".
Rove -- again, by name -- intends to hit him with everything at the administration's disposal.
I'm tempted to say 'bring it on'. I don't think swiftboating will work this time. First of all -- the marines take care of their own. Second, he just looks so damn righteous. And third, the WH just doesn't have the juice to pull this off again. People know better now.
bob | 11.19.05 - 2:03 pm | #
An apt description of what his head does near Chimpy's groin.
Can I get a Slurpee™ with that?
dave™
Well, I'm having coffee, but whatever blows your skirt.
They're tofu-dogs, therefore maybe a lot more exciting to me than to you. But they have ketchup on the side...
Davis X. Machina: 
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I almost thought it was more of buckfush's well-meaning but tedious spam, and started to scroll past.
Glad I didn't.
that would be much healthier than what they are now eating
How do you presume to know what poor people eat?
Its called logic.
a) Most people in the US are carnivors
b) Poor people eat what the average american eats-even if lower quality ingredients are used
c)Soybean products are healthier in general than meat products
Therefore:
d)Poor people eating tofu would imply a healthier diet
Q.E.D.
I thought Vicki Carr's only hit was "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia".
catalexis
That was Vicki Lawrence.
Day 9 bitches! day 9.
The Democrats had a chance to bring our troops home from Iraq immediately. Yet, they voted against it.
They don't seem to care about public opinion.
And now, a brief snippet of Vicki Carr's "It Must Be Him":
Hello? Hello?
Oh dear God,
It must be him!
But it's not him...
And then I die!
And then I die!
c)Soybean products are healthier in general than meat products
Shorter LFoD: let them eat Soylent Green.
Live Free or Die -- Yes, I was struck by Fineman's sober demeanor, too. It reminded me immediately of the kind of news reporting by tv correspondents I grew up with -- measured, clear reporting with no who-knows shrugs, ironic inflections, winks and nods. He did himself and the news biz proud for once . . .
The (D) or the (R) behind their names has become the new indicator of Christianity rather than a shiny gold cross.
That's temporary--no matter what you claim as your religion, voters will turn against you if they think you're a nasty vindictive person. Whisper campaigns claiming "backstabbing heros like Murtha is not the Christian thing to do" can go far, and they know it.
I'd really like to know why Democrats didn't vote for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. I want it, you want it, and the Iraqis want it.
Shouldn't we get our troops out now?
Shouldn't we debate and vote on Murtha's reasonable proposal for an over-the-horizon redeployment "when practicable", such as after the 12/15 elections, while ensuring force protection?
Or are you suggesting that our troops just throw down their weapons and run for Kuwait, screaming like fucking pussies?
I get the impression that he wouldn't have made that speech without a tacit nod from his friends over at the Pentagon.
pseudonymous in nc
Wow! Excellent point, and one I hadn't considered. I'm betting you're correct.
Great. So only 3 Democrats had the courage of their convictions to go ahead and call the Republicans bluff and go ahead and vote for the measure. What a bunch of fucking cowards.
I think Mr. Rove might have made a very big mistake in targeting Congressman Murtha, a very big mistake.
I think it's setting the stage for a "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?" moment, not just for Bush, or Rove, but for the entire Republican party.
It may have been 1979, but the worst song of the decade had to be Debby Boone's 'You Light Up My Life'.
That song made me so sick. Let's not forget 'Feelings', any thing by the Captain & Tenille.
They were singing about RATS mating 
Shorter LFoD: let them eat Soylent Green.
pseudonymous in nc
Yay! Soylent Green!
Wait...
Well, I'm having coffee, but whatever blows your skirt.
Vicki's having donuts and Slurpees™ for breakfast down below...
My wife loves hot dogs and eggs for breakfast, btw. It's a staple around here...
Its called logic.
LFoD is no logician.
QED
more bierce:
PRESIDENCY, n.
The greased pig in the field game of American politics.
PRESIDENT, n.
The leading figure in a small group of men of whom -- and of whom only -- it is positively known that immense numbers of their countrymen did not want any of them for President.
If that's an honor surely 'tis a greater
To have been a simple and undamned spectator.
Behold in me a man of mark and note
Whom no elector e'er denied a vote! --
An undiscredited, unhooted gent
Who might, for all we know, be President
By acclimation. Cheer, ye varlets, cheer --
I'm passing with a wide and open ear!
Jonathan Fomry
Ahh, that's right. I got my Vicki's mixed up. Not to be confused with our own Vicki, who loves Al Gore.
c)Soybean products are healthier in general than meat products
You know, speaking as a vegan, I agree with LFoD. And yet, I find his remarks unbearably smug and irritating. Go figure.
Great. So only 3 Democrats had the courage of their convictions to go ahead and call the Republicans bluff and go ahead and vote for the measure. What a bunch of fucking cowards.
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I don't know if this is a new talking point, but I tend to agree, if for no other reason than to deepen and continue the disarray the pukes are now splashing around in.
Hecate, this is the first year we've done the leaves in stages as they dropped.
Not nearly as fun as letting them build up so you can romp in the pile.
This is the first year the kids didn't play football in it.
That was Vicki Lawrence.
I thought it was Lawrence Welk.
"A one-an-a two!"
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Pirates and terrorists, the horror!!
Shouldn't we debate and vote on Murtha's reasonable proposal for an over-the-horizon redeployment "when practicable", such as after the 12/15 elections, while ensuring force protection?
Or are you suggesting that our troops just throw down their weapons and run for Kuwait, screaming like fucking pussies?
NTodd
That would get them out of Iraq, right? Everyone but a few hardcore wingers wants our troops out of Iraq.
How could the Democrats vote to keep them there?
Or are you suggesting that our troops just throw down their weapons and run for Kuwait, screaming like fucking pussies?
Quite.
The Hunter resolution was 'Run away! Run away!'
Murtha's point is that you don't want to get to that stage. And there's a very real chance of a Green Zone helicopter moment.
Concern trolls... the cutest, most bestest trolls of them all!
Can't wait for their holiday special, "The Concern Trolls Save Christmas" on CBN... I watch it every year!
Starland Vocal Band. That record's actually great if you play the 45 at 33. Parts of it sound like Gregorian chant.
Phila | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 1:59 pm
try playing the "Chipmunk Punk" album at 16 RPM. the birth of goth-industrial- grunge!
Great. So only 3 Democrats had the courage of their convictions to go ahead and call the Republicans bluff and go ahead and vote for the measure. What a bunch of fucking cowards.
No, they had the courage to vote against a sham resolution that was designed to put them in an allegedly difficult position. And they voted almost entirely together.
Fuck you.
You know, speaking as a vegan, I agree with LFoD. And yet, I find his remarks unbearably smug and irritating. Go figure.
Phila
Yeah, fun that.
And what is wrong with poor people eating tofu
Umm...it tastes like ass?
Rats maating......mmmmmmmm.
Almost as good as caged bears.
I'm tempted to say 'bring it on'. I don't think swiftboating will work this time. First of all -- the marines take care of their own.
Of course it wont work. Bush is at 35%, Cheney at 19%. Rove under investigation, Delay,Frist. Katrina, Oil prices. People getting blown up in Iraq everyday. The media seem tired of this administration. It seems as if they ahve taken down may reporters too. Rather, Maples, Miller, Woodward. And many have had to waist money on lawyers b/c of this administration: Timmy, Matthews, Cooper. This is all they know. But they cant keep this up for 1 year straight.
You know, speaking as a vegan, I agree with LFoD. And yet, I find his remarks unbearably smug and irritating.
Although a vegetarian, I do have an instinctive desire to slap members of the Cult of Tofu.
Is it my imagination, or are our tr00lop friends now annoyed with us because there will not be an immediate withdrawal from the Glorious Iraqi Liberation.
What happened to staying the course?
Which parallel universe did I wake up in this morning?
That song made me so sick. Let's not forget 'Feelings', any thing by the Captain & Tenille.
I thought seventies pop music was pretty bad, alright...until I lived through every decade since. Now, it seems pretty OK, by and large. I'd rather hear Captain and Tenille than Culture Club. Hell, there's not even that much difference. At least there was some variety on the charts back then, and it was still possible for independent labels to have national hits.
Concern trolls and name-stealing LFoD! I am crushing your heads! Crush, crush, crush!
It may have been 1979, but the worst song of the decade had to be Debby Boone's 'You Light Up My Life'.
elroy
And yet it wouldn't leave my head. Probably didn't help that it was every other song played on the radio.
No, they had the courage to vote against a sham resolution that was designed to put them in an allegedly difficult position.
Allegedly being the operative word. We all know that public opinion is with us on this one and the Democrtas have defied public opinion.
It's sick how they made our troops stay in Iraq instead of letting them come home.
That would get them out of Iraq, right? Everyone but a few hardcore wingers wants our troops out of Iraq.
How could the Democrats vote to keep them there?
bob | 11.19.05 - 2:08 pm | #
You are such a fucking idiot. The vote last night was on the GOP's sham resolution for "immediate withdrawal", not Murtha's reasonable proposal.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
screaming like fucking pussies?
NTodd
Speaking of which -- you are not a fucking pussy this morning?
i go away for dinner and another thread pops up.
Is 'bob' short for 'bends over for Bush'?
I get the impression that he wouldn't have made that speech without a tacit nod from his friends over at the Pentagon.
pseudonymous in nc
I think that's one of the rumors. Obviously somebody like him is not going to go out on a limb like this on his own.
Also, I think maybe the Democrats sat around and thought "who is the toughest guy in our party, the one guy who could single-handedly redefine what it means to redeploy our Iraqi troops?"
They wouldn't let just anyone do what Murtha did, you know.
The Culture of Tofu?
Rats maating......mmmmmmmm.
Almost as good as caged bears.
That record's actually great if you play the 45 at 33. Parts of it sound like Gregorian chant.
Play the 45 of "Imaginary Lover" by Atlanta Rhythm Section at 78 - sounds just like Stevie Nicks!
Well then, fuck me too I guess, NTodd. I think they should have called the pukes bluff.
Allegedly being the operative word. We all know that public opinion is with us on this one and the Democrtas have defied public opinion.
Yes, which is why I used 'allegedly'. The GOP thought they could force the Democrats to vote for something ("immediate withdrawal") that they do not support, as opposed to debating something that all reasonable support ("withdrawal consistent with protecting our troops")
It's sick how they made our troops stay in Iraq instead of letting them come home.
It's sick how you like fucking strawmen instead of humans.
Bite me, Haloscan.
Do you have to poke the rats with toothpicks?
Although a vegetarian, I do have an instinctive desire to slap members of the Cult of Tofu.
pseudonymous in nc
I'm irked by what Veblen called "the ceremonial differentiation of the dietary," in general.
But beyond that, smug, proselytizing vegetarians and vegans have done way more harm than good to their cause.
I would prefer that our troops hang on to their weapons* and tiptoe swiftly to Kuwait, whimpering softly like disciplined pussies.
* First of all, they cost good money and have resale value. And you never know who's gonna pick up a weapon once's it's thrown away.
No, they had the courage to vote against a sham resolution that was designed to put them in an allegedly difficult position. And they voted almost entirely together.
Fuck you.
NTodd
Baby, if you keep playing with trolls, you'll have to take a bath in tomato juice to get out the scent.
Allegedly being the operative word. We all know that public opinion is with us on this one and the Democrtas have defied public opinion.
And voters don't give a damn about non-binding resolutions.
It may have been 1979, but the worst song of the decade had to be Debby Boone's 'You Light Up My Life'.
What, "You're Having My Baby" wasn't released in the '70s?
A-hem...
If you don't like tofu then you've never had it prepared right.
My tofu doesn't taste like ass...it tastes like good ass.
[/cultist]
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Is Rep. Murtha married? And what does his wife do for a living? If she stands in the 12 item checkout aisle with 13 items, Rove will be on it.
c)Soybean products are healthier in general than meat products
You know, speaking as a vegan, I agree with LFoD. And yet, I find his remarks unbearably smug and irritating. Go figure.
I just answered a question, that I did not even bring up. How is that smug? I did it in a very consise, highly intelligent way. Should I have just answered that I feel that way, instead of using logic?
We all know that public opinion is with us--
You are so cute, yes you are, you cute little concern troll, you!
Who wants a cuddle? Do you want a cuddle?? Come and get your cuddle!!!
you light up my life
When I was in grade school my teacher taught us a parody version based on the Incredible Hulk called "You tear up your shirts". To this day I can't hear the one song without singing the other lyrics.
don't forget donny & marie.
aacccckkkk.... 
That record's actually great if you play the 45 at 33. Parts of it sound like Gregorian chant.
Play the 45 of "Imaginary Lover" by Atlanta Rhythm Section at 78 - sounds just like Stevie Nicks!
dave™
Oh, the fun these kids today miss out on, what with their shiny CDs and iPods and such...
On another topic, What's with the manufactures outrage among the Fox talking heads about an imaginary war on Christmas?
In the end, despite spin (America wants us to stay the course) and obsfucation (calling the Murtha resoultion), I suspect that the non-binding resolution vote will be seen by the general public as playing politics while death and destruction reign.
The fog has lifted for so many Americans, and this will bite the Republicans back as bad or worse than the Schiavo miscalculation.
Being fed up with political posturing is bipartisan.
Oh dear. I hate encouraging the trools. Sorry.
Play the 45 of "Imaginary Lover" by Atlanta Rhythm Section at 78 - sounds just like Stevie Nicks!
dave™
Here's a trivia question: How many five-star, indispensible-to-any-serious-collection albums did ARS release, according to the geniuses who put together the Rolling Stone Record Review Guide?
Five stars, again, means "has earned a hallowed place among the greatest music of all times."
My friend's house sold! Now I get to miss turkey day and not go home for a couple more weeks and help her move. Yay. 8-{|>
Well then, fuck me too I guess, NTodd. I think they should have called the pukes bluff.
No, not fuck you. The other is a concern troll.
But I do think you're wrong: they DID call the Repukes bluff. I'm telling you, the GOP is in react mode, and flailing. Voting for something that's a part of their cynical ploy, not to mention something being stupid policy, is not the way to go about it. The GOP is trying to play mind games--no sense in getting wrapped up in the Game of Wits with the witless.
Straight forward action is what's required, not trying to overthink it and guess what the GOP wants us to do. That's as dumb as the claims that al Qaeda wanted us to vote for Kerry, or for Bush, or for Mickey Mouse.
Julien's List has linked to a poignant NYT story worth checking out.
And the Academy award goes to "The Big Evil", story of a government gone mad.
Starring Jimmy Cagney as the President.
Charles Laughton as VP Cheney
Peter Lorrie and the evil Presidential advisor K-kkarl Rove.
and Vincent Price as Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld
Anyone got an alternative cast?
A-hem...
If you don't like tofu then you've never had it prepared right.
Exactly. I've cooked tofu and wheat gluten for carnivors and they did not know it was not meat.
You are such a fucking idiot. The vote last night was on the GOP's sham resolution for "immediate withdrawal", not Murtha's reasonable proposal.
Exactly! IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL!
That would be the correct thing to do.
All our troops home by Christmas. Public opinion demands it and the Democrats have decided our troops need to spend another holiday in Iraq. Why?
Baby, if you keep playing with trolls, you'll have to take a bath in tomato juice to get out the scent.
I'll kick tomorrow.
Concern trolls and self-righteous vegans - that spells Christmas to me!
It may have been 1979, but the worst song of the decade had to be Debby Boone's 'You Light Up My Life'.
elroy
I vote for "Muskrat Love."
i had tofu once and i prepared it according to a recipe that guaranteed to make a tofu lover out of me.
it tasted worse than ass.
All of this is building to throw the bums out. It aint gonna be a pretty year for incumbents.
But beyond that, smug, proselytizing vegetarians and vegans have done way more harm than good to their cause.
Phila
Exactly. Life is good, food is fun.
If the Dems had called their bluff and voted Yes enmasse, it might have left the Repugs in a very strange situtation...a passed Republican proposal to exit immediately, a whitehouse betrayed by its own party, and the Dems standing back saying "we were just trying to help, you know bipartisan shit and all."
The public still would know this was a cynical Repub trick...and it would have got much more publicity. Might have been interesting.
It was a stupid move on the Repubs part no matter how the Dems voted, anyway.
LFoD says:
I did it in a very consise, highly intelligent way.
and asks
How is that smug?
...the fun these kids today miss out on, what with their shiny CDs and iPods and such...
You can use the CD Player on your computer to play them backwards, but you can't really control the speed... so "Turn Me On, Dead Man" sounds like Alvin and the Chimpmunks...
And voters don't give a damn about non-binding resolutions.
Halfdan
Of course not. They care about getting our troops out of Iraq now and the Democrats voted to keep our troops in Iraq.
Exactly! IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL!
That would be the correct thing to do.
Even this "get the hell out of Dodge" Quaker doesn't believe it's the correct thing to do.
All our troops home by Christmas. Public opinion demands it
No, of the majority that want to withdraw, most of them want to do it within 12 months.
the Democrats have decided our troops need to spend another holiday in Iraq. Why?
Assuming all the Dems voted Yea, the measure would've still failed, as the GOP voted against it. And good policy is not built upon stupid stunts.
Now go run along and play in traffic. It's the correct thing to do.
Me and You and a Dog Named Blue.
Also, I think maybe the Democrats sat around and thought "who is the toughest guy in our party, the one guy who could single-handedly redefine what it means to redeploy our Iraqi troops?"
I honestly don't think so: the Dem caucus has been much more cautious. My guess is that he's a stalking-horse for a few generals.
Play the 45 of "Imaginary Lover" by Atlanta Rhythm Section at 78 - sounds just like Stevie Nicks!
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 2:12 pm | #
Haven't heard that one in awhile. I'm sure it stands the test of time much better than what I'm listening to now: Paul Anka's Rock Swings. And I thought 'True' couldn't get any worse.
But beyond that, smug, proselytizing vegetarians and vegans have done way more harm than good to their cause.
What proselytizing are you talking about? I've never seen any comercials. Iknow that Ive seen a commercial saying Beef is "real food", and that Pork is "the other white meat". If there is any proselytizing going on, it is from the meat industry
LFoD says:
I did it in a very consise, highly intelligent way.
and asks
How is that smug?
Since you don't understand mathematics, it's beyond you.
No, they had the courage to vote against a sham resolution that was designed to put them in an allegedly difficult position. And they voted almost entirely together.
Fuck you.
NTodd
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No. Fuck you, you moron. The Democrats could have made a stronger statement against the war than 3 pathetic votes. They failed. They sold out and will probably never get another chance at this. They are spineless bastards with no courage of their convictions whatsoever. Fuch them and fuck you. Why don't you collect your little check from Rove and go fuck yourself.
The gym awaits. Later batses.
billy don't be a hero....
Oh, the fun these kids today miss out on, what with their shiny CDs and iPods and such...
We had a stereo console TV (back in the day when the TV could be a huge piece of furniture) that would play records at 12 rpm.
I put on "Into the Void" from Black Sabbath's Master of Reality--it churned and growled with the most fantastic hellish sound!
don't forget donny & marie.
I'm a little bit country.
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But I do think you're wrong: they DID call the Repukes bluff.
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I get that, that's why I don't have any strong opinion about it. But I could argue that playing them for fools would have more of an impact with the pukes' base. They don't get intellectual arguments, they just see winners and losers.
Sorry... that's Chipmunks...
Since you don't understand mathematics, it's beyond you.
NTodd
Yeah, I suck that way.
I would prefer that our troops hang on to their weapons* and tiptoe swiftly to Kuwait.
It's also a long-standing custom among declining imperial powers -- France, UK, etc -- that you have to choose either a local strongman or a hastily-cobbled together parliament to turn the keys over to before you exit the scene of your disgrace.
I mean, what's the point of being governed by conservatives if you don't observe long-standing custom?
Lunch time for me...don't give yourselves headaches playing Whack-A-Troll&trade catch up with everybody later.
You can use the CD Player on your computer to play them backwards, but you can't really control the speed... so "Turn Me On, Dead Man" sounds like Alvin and the Chimpmunks...
Actually, get a cheap program like Audacity, and you can import songs, then manipulate them. Reverse, speed up, slow down, add echo, etc. And you don't fuck up the needle or the platter.
If the Dems had called their bluff and voted Yes enmasse, it might have left the Repugs in a very strange situtation...a passed Republican proposal to exit immediately, a whitehouse betrayed by its own party, and the Dems standing back saying "we were just trying to help, you know bipartisan shit and all."
And yet the Democrats prefer to keep our troops in Iraq where they will continue to kill innocent children.
The public wants the troops out of Iraq and the Democrats have defied publoic opinion.
All our troops home by Christmas. Public opinion demands it and the Democrats have decided our troops need to spend another holiday in Iraq. Why?
You've obviously never seen Baghdad at Christmas time, then. Very festive. Lit up like a Christmas Tree, with lots of fireworks, and with presents carefully hidden along the road for our soldiers to find like Easter eggs (they don't understand our holidays very well, but they try!).
And then there's all the recreations of the passion play (again with the Easter confusion), where they like to endure torture for days on end just to impress us with their sympathy for our Lord.
I do make tofu on occasion, but I usually have to cook it in some super hot and spicy dish (which I love anyway) in order to choke it down.
Concern trolls... the cutest, most bestest trolls of them all!
Can't wait for their holiday special, "The Concern Trolls Save Christmas" on CBN... I watch it every year!
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 2:08 pm
You're A Dumb One Mr. Concern Troll [sung to the tune of "You're A Mean One Mr. Grinch"]:
You're a dumb one,
Concern Troll
You're a slithering, slimy, slug
You're the type that feasts on dog poop at the local garbage dump
Mr. Trooooll....
[spoken]
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, but I might break out the...
[sung]
Marshmelloooooooowwwws!
LFoD says:
I did it in a very consise, highly intelligent way.
and asks
How is that smug?
Smug:Exhibiting or feeling great or offensive satisfaction with oneself or with one's situation; self-righteously complacent
I was just stating facts w/o emotions, therfore I was not smug.
donny singing he's a little bit rock and roll is a side-splitta!
Huh? Lousy movie...but it was a goddamn blockbuster and spawned a huge hit for Vicki Carr.
The "Poseidon Adventure" spawned a huge hit, but it was for Maureen McGovern - "the Morning After".
This year's Beajoulais is nice. But I'm a big fan, anyway, so you'll have to see for yourself if you like it.
What is this? A bad 70's music thread?
Sheesh!
I love you. I honestly love you...
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We had a stereo console TV (back in the day when the TV could be a huge piece of furniture) that would play records at 12 rpm.
Uncle Smokes
We had one of those! with the turntable in the top...
I never did anything creative with it, though.
Exactly! IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL!
That would be the correct thing to do.
All our troops home by Christmas. Public opinion demands it and the Democrats have decided our troops need to spend another holiday in Iraq. Why?
bob
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Thank you!! Somehow a lot of people around here a suddenly turning into armchair generals. If we want our troops out, then we need to get them out NOW!!!! Stop going wobbly every time the question comes up. GET THEM OUT NOW!!!
Me and You and a Dog Named Blue.
sekmet
OHHHH! We may have a winner...
Anyone got an alternative cast?
In an inspired casting coup, Colin Powell as Condi Rice!
This year's Beajoulais is nice. But I'm a big fan, anyway, so you'll have to see for yourself if you like it.
Where's Duboeuf?
Murtha should have taken the non-binding resolution, tossed it on the floor and pissed on it. That's how worthless that piece of shit vote was. This is serious buisness and you have scumbags like Schmidt playing politics. To give it the time of day would be wrong. They want to get serious, let Murtha's resolution go to teh floor.
They usually pick a strong man, leave with flags flying, and then pay no attention with strongman ends up hanging from a lampost. It's the imperial way.
No. Fuck you, you moron. The Democrats could have made a stronger statement against the war than 3 pathetic votes. They failed. They sold out and will probably never get another chance at this. They are spineless bastards with no courage of their convictions whatsoever. Fuch them and fuck you. Why don't you collect your little check from Rove and go fuck yourself.
Wow, that's rich. Accusing me of collecting a check from Rove.
The Dems voted against a fucked up resolution because of their convictions: to not let the GOP make a mockery of the legislative process; to not vote on something other than Murtha's proposal; to show that they are indeed united.
Don't fucking call the Dems cowards because they made a strategic decision that just happens to be right.
And yet the Democrats prefer to keep our troops in Iraq where they will continue to kill innocent children.
The public wants the troops out of Iraq and the Democrats have defied publoic opinion.
bob
Add my name to the list of those who don't think this line of bullshit is going to work.
They really don't know what to do down in the boilerroom, do they? Sinking poll numbers, their own party at each other's throats, a hellish back-firing embarassment that will be on all the TV news shows all weekend long... and Unka Karl stuck in a little office with his lawyer 24/7, weeping inconsolably.
Enjoy, motherfuckers!
I suspect that the non-binding resolution vote will be seen by the general public as playing politics while death and destruction reign.
'Dingbat kabuki' is a term I have heard, and like.
What is this? A bad 70's music thread?
Sheesh!
I love you. I honestly love you...
___________________
loving you...is easy cuz you're beautiful.
Actually, get a cheap program like Audacity, and you can import songs, then manipulate them. Reverse, speed up, slow down, add echo, etc. And you don't fuck up the needle or the platter.
NTodd
Can you take out the vocals, so it's like karaoke?
Dear 'bob',
Fuck off.
Thanks.
Thank you!! Somehow a lot of people around here a suddenly turning into armchair generals. If we want our troops out, then we need to get them out NOW!!!! Stop going wobbly every time the question comes up. GET THEM OUT NOW!!!
Immediate withdrawal is not an exit strategy any more than staying the course is a way to win the war. Jesus fucking christ, who's acting like the armchair generals? The ones who think that you just click your heels three times and are back home in time for tea.
Me and You and a Dog Named Blue.
No, sorry... that's "Boo."
Actually, I always thought the song was supposed to be "Me and You and a Bag of Boo" but some underassistant promotion man nixed it...
No. Fuck you, you moron. The Democrats could have made a stronger statement against the war than 3 pathetic votes. They failed. They sold out and will probably never get another chance at this. They are spineless bastards with no courage of their convictions whatsoever. Fuch them and fuck you. Why don't you collect your little check from Rove and go fuck yourself.
This made no sense. Dems voted down a REPUBLICAN bill not Murtha's which said something entitrely different.
Lunch time for me...don't give yourselves headaches playing Whack-A-Troll™
Yes, remember they're quite proficient at whacking themselves...
the Democrats voted to keep our troops in Iraq.
No they didn't. For your sake, I hope the Cornerites can come up with better talking points than this.
(I usually don't bait trolls, but this is too easy and kind of fun!).
Oh, god no, earworm thread.
Back to my yardwork. (Humming "Seasons in the Sun")
The Dems voted against a fucked up resolution because of their convictions:
And they voted to keep our troops in Iraq, where they are killing innocent people, despite public outrage against the war.
The Democrats should be ashamed.
Actually, get a cheap program like Audacity, and you can import songs, then manipulate them. Reverse, speed up, slow down, add echo, etc. And you don't fuck up the needle or the platter.
NTodd
Can you take out the vocals, so it's like karaoke?
Not unless you had the original tracks. The stuff on CD is all mixed so it's all part of the same waveform (albeit in 2 channels for stereo).
And you don't fuck up the needle or the platter.
Comes in handy when playing "Stairway To Heaven" backwards--here's to my sweet satan!*
[*Actually it comes out more like "Heersh t'my swee sat'n"]
I honestly don't think so: the Dem caucus has been much more cautious. My guess is that he's a stalking-horse for a few generals.
pseudonymous in nc
That's exactly my take on it. There have been rumors for months that the military is sick of this war, and don't believe we can win it. Whatever winning is. It's going to take a decade to fix the fine military that w inherited from Clinton, and then proceeded to smash to smithereens. 95% of the population have no idea what happened last night. They maybe know that a respected dem called for withdrawal and the repukes have gone after him.
the Democrats have defied publoic opinion.
Too bad the publoics have yet to gain the franchise.
loving you...is easy cuz you're beautiful.
Ack! Ack! Ack!
Get behind me, Minnie Ripperton!
"Everytime that you oooo..."
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And they voted to keep our troops in Iraq, where they are killing innocent people, despite public outrage against the war.
The Democrats should be ashamed.
No, you should be ashamed for being a liar.
This made no sense. Dems voted down a REPUBLICAN bill not Murtha's which said something entitrely different.
Live Free or Die
A republican bill that would have gotten our troops out of Iraq IMMEDIATELY. They don't belong there and the Democrats voted to keep them there.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizona...h-
warvote.html#
snip
"J.D. came up with a great idea and took it to the (GOP) conference, and then was persistent to take it to leadership," said Rep. Rick Renzi, R-Ariz.
But Hayworth doesn't take all the credit.
"I came up with it when I was talking this morning with my wife, Mary," the six-term congressman acknowledged in an interview Friday.
They had been talking about Murtha's proposal that Congress demand a withdrawal of troops from Iraq, when Hayworth said Mary told him, "I wish you guys would vote on this today."
"Hearing that from her, a trusted adviser, and seeing the tone of the public discussion," Hayworth said, he realized it was a good idea. He telephoned Hastert to suggest it, and it snowballed from there.
etc.
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I knew there was the smell of pure retard to it.
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Not unless you had the original tracks. The stuff on CD is all mixed so it's all part of the same waveform (albeit in 2 channels for stereo).
NTodd
Probably for the best...
In a way, I'm glad simels isn't here.
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It's interesting that everyone always brings up the soft rock stuff from the seventies when they're talking about how bad it was. I'd say a lot of the "classic" rock groups released material just as godawful in those years.
Live Free or Die- your ramen riff was disgusting, but it got interesting when you dragged religion into it. you should have mentioned joseph in egypt who subsisted on bread and water.
Did the same people who did 'Me and You' do 'Seasons in the Sun'? Almost the same song. Whiny singers, drippy lyrics, insipid bouncy tune. I imagine that listening to an lp of their 'hits' would cause diarrhea in listeners.
As long as we're relaying despised music of the 70's, I will add any song having to do with trucking and CB radios.
Me and You and a Dog Named Blue.
sekmet
OHHHH! We may have a winner...
BZZZZT! Sorry, we were looking for "Boo." The dog's name was "Boo."
But we do have a lovely parting gift....
A republican bill that would have gotten our troops out of Iraq IMMEDIATELY.
Nah. It was a nonbinding resolution. You do know the difference between that and a bill that would have a companion piece of legislation in the Senate and that would go through conference committee if it were to have passed, right?
every time the repukes put forth some stupid proposal, we should get all the bad 70's music and play it full blast, over and over.
just so's they get a feel of what torture is like...
A republican bill that would have gotten our troops out of Iraq IMMEDIATELY. They don't belong there and the Democrats voted to keep them there.
What part of "non-binding" don't you grasp, friend?
Immediate withdrawal is not an exit strategy any more than staying the course is a way to win the war.
Again, it's the framing. Black or White. Stay or go.
If I could advise dems on one thing, it would be to not accept the framing of the questions they are asked by the media.
Use the socratic method on questions during talk shows.
You do realize that this Fred isn't a real troll? He's a Democrat that's lost his mind from 5 years of propaganda.
A republican bill that would have gotten our troops out of Iraq IMMEDIATELY.
yeah, that's how it would have gone. You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Go away.
Exit strategies:
* Army War College
* Bill Lind
* The Pentagon
seasons in the sun: terry jacks.
i don't know who did me & you and a dog named boo.
As long as we're relaying despised music of the 70's, I will add any song having to do with trucking and CB radios.
Uncle Smokes
Yeah. That inspired my father to get a CB for the motor home. I'm still in therapy, dealing with the humiliation.
Who were the three Democrats who voted for the immediate withdrawal bill?
"Carry On My Wayward Son"
Oh, god no, earworm thread.
Hey, I've got Starland Vocal Band in my brain now. You can suffer, as well.
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Use the socratic method on questions during talk shows.
That, I would love to see!
Nah. It was a nonbinding resolution. You do know the difference between that and a bill that would have a companion piece of legislation in the Senate and that would go through conference committee if it were to have passed, right?
monica_nyc
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T
It is said that smugness, like beauty, resides in the eye of the beholder.
Did the same people who did 'Me and You' do 'Seasons in the Sun'? Almost the same song. Whiny singers, drippy lyrics, insipid bouncy tune. I imagine that listening to an lp of their 'hits' would cause diarrhea in listeners.
sekmet | 11.19.05 - 2:27 pm | #
google is telling me "Lobo"
Live Free or Die- your ramen riff was disgusting, but it got interesting when you dragged religion into it. you should have mentioned joseph in egypt who subsisted on bread and water.
But he's not Jewish. Or Christian. Or Buddhist. Or a Logician.
Did the same people who did 'Me and You' do 'Seasons in the Sun'? Almost the same song. Whiny singers, drippy lyrics, insipid bouncy tune. I imagine that listening to an lp of their 'hits' would cause diarrhea in listeners.
No, "Seasons in the Sun" was performed (but not written) by Terry Jacks.
I always end up having to say this...but Jacks' previous band, the Poppy Family, put out an amazingly good album of warped, rather dark Indian-tinged pop, which I'd recommend highly. "Seasons in the Sun" wasn't really the full measure of his talent.
Waxman, Serrano, McKinney
What part of "non-binding" don't you grasp, friend?
In further news there is no such thing as spina bifida, because a joint resolution calling for the declaration of Spina Bifida Awareness Week, and an end to said disease passed both Houses on a voice vote earlier this session.
It's not a hard concept to grasp.
This made no sense. Dems voted down a REPUBLICAN bill not Murtha's which said something entitrely different.
Yeah I wonder how Duncan Hunter will explain his resolution to his constituents.
"Oh, no I didn't really mean it. I was just wasting taxpayer money because I'm an asshole."
loving you...is easy cuz you're beautiful.
her eyes
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Damn YOU!!
This one reason I don't like to get into substantive discussions here - there's a wide range of opinion that those of us on the left can talk about. With the presence of the trools, it's inhibited by this juvenile 'my sides wins, so nyah' mentality. That or the 'can't let them talk, must keep misdirecting/pushing buttons' one. Sometimes both together.I'd like to actually discuss this with NTodd, but these guys make that impossible.
i don't know who did me & you and a dog named boo.
A group called Lobo.
The war in Iraq has been a disaster and I've been denouncing it since it began. However, I admire the Democrats for having the courage of their convictions and voting against a Republican bill that would have ended the war immediately.
I say we send all the trolls, wignuts, war whores etc. over to Iraq in exchange for coalition forces.
a fair swap
Nah. It was a nonbinding resolution. You do know the difference between that and a bill that would have a companion piece of legislation in the Senate and that would go through conference committee if it were to have passed, right?
monica_nyc
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THEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR GOING WOBBLY AND NOT VOTING EN MASSE FOR THAT BILL!!! THEY HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE A STRONG STATEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE RESONATED WITH THE PUBLIC AND THEY FUCKING BLEW IT!!!
IDIOT!!
"Meeee and Mrs. Jo-ones..."
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Ever wonder what's been happening to those Katrina flood victims? Here's a
and there was no sound at allllll
but the clock upon the wall (tick, tock, tick, tock)....
Use the socratic method on questions during talk shows.
That, I would love to see!
open source courtesy troll
Or the Tommy Chong method...
Who were the three Democrats who voted for the immediate withdrawal bill?
Jose Serrano, Shirley Jackson, and Dexter Romweber. (Going from memory here).
Or was it Shirly Chisholm? I always get them confused!
"Carry On My Wayward Son"
Wait! Let me put my mullet on! And I'll bring the Trans-Am around!
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The fucking Alan Parsons Project was as bad as anything on the lite-rock side of the spectrum. So were a number of 70s Kinks albums. And countless acre-feet of drivel from Southern-fried boogie-blues outfits.
Who were the three Democrats who voted for the immediate withdrawal bill?
These three:
Jose Serrano of New York, Robert Wexler of Florida and Cynthia McKinney of Georgia.
As long as we're relaying despised music of the 70's, I will add any song having to do with trucking and CB radios.
Uncle Smokes
Oh man, you got that right friend.
IDIOT!!
Flatterer.
Give us a kiss.
If there was a non-binding resolution that we should kill all black people I would vote for it. Not because I believe we should kill all black people, but because it is non-binding.
It was a no lose for the Dems.
The Repugs were being assholes, disrepecting the whole process.
What matters is making sure the Dems hammer this in the press.
Yeah. That inspired my father to get a CB for the motor home. I'm still in therapy, dealing with the humiliation.
You too, Marcia!
Dad had went CB-crazy for a while, and we were trapped in the stationwagaon with a choice between listening to crackling nonsense on his expensive toy or his 8-track collection of CB songs.
Combine that with Mom's 8-Track of Anita Bryant's Battle Hymn of the Republic, and you begin to understand the allure that drugs had in the 70's.
El Jefe Bremer
The Food section of the WaPo, usually home to dozens of recipes for zucchini and items on where to buy adorable kitchen magnets, contains a truly revelatory story today, disclosing the serious chef side of Iraq reconstruction czar L. Paul Bremer.
He is classically trained, having studied at L'Academie de Cuisine and under Henri-Etienne Levy.
He tells the Post that a La Cornue range in his Vermont home "was an important part of my sanity" while in Baghdad, and that he kept a picture of it on his computer desktop.
The man could not wait to get home to his stove. Relationship with Mrs. Bremer apparently not so hot.
http://www.wonkette.com/politics...remer/
index.php
The above is from mid-Sept. 2005. Does anyone have any later news about this strange man?
Speaking of bad classic rock, does anyone actually like .38 Special? If not, why do they continue to get played on the radio?
Jose Serrano of New York, Robert Wexler of Florida and Cynthia McKinney of Georgia.
NTodd
Why didn't Reid vote for it?
I'd like to actually discuss this with NTodd, but these guys make that impossible.
mena
I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that's the goal.
THEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR GOING WOBBLY AND NOT VOTING EN MASSE FOR THAT BILL!!! THEY HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE A STRONG STATEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE RESONATED WITH THE PUBLIC AND THEY FUCKING BLEW IT!!!
IDIOT!!
WRONG! A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT FAVOR IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL, AND WHETHER IT'S BINDING OR NOT, IT'S GOING ON RECORD SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT IS BAD POLICY AND PART OF A GOP-STAGED PUBLICITY STUNT!!! THE POINT ABOUT NON-BINDING WAS DIRECTED AT THE OTHER CONCERN TROLL WHO CLAIMS THAT THE RESOLUTION WOULD'VE GOTTEN OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!!!
IDIOT!!!!!!!
Why didn't Reid vote for it?
Seriously. Are you paying attention at all?
WTF?
Let's try this again:
Ever wonder what's ben happening to the Katrina flood victims. Here's a
Wexler (not Waxman), Serrano, McKinney.
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What matters is making sure the Dems hammer this in the press.
Yep. It doesn't matter that our troops are still in Iraq, it matters that we hammer this in the press!
Why didn't Reid vote for it?
Because Reid is a Senator, first of all. And why would he? He's not advocating immediate withdrawal any more than Murtha is.
Well, I was close, NTodd.
It's more than a feeling...
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I find the trolls on here easy to ignore. Most of them are so fucking stupid, the things they say are only mildly irritating, like when a small fly gets in the house and keeps buzzing around the dinnertable. You occasionally have to shoo it away with your hand, but otherwise the dinner and conversation goes right on unimpeded.
The Dems should have walked out.
Why didn't Reid vote for it?
Um, because he would have had to resign his Senate seat, run for a House seat in Nov. 2006, and by then the 15 minute voting time would have been up?
I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that's the goal.
Marcia Brady
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And it so often works....
Speaking of bad classic rock, does anyone actually like .38 Special? If not, why do they continue to get played on the radio?
Uh, 'cause the lead singer was Ronnie's little brother?
So only 3 Democrats had the courage of their... ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZzzzz!
*sniff*
Centurion, do you smell something burning?
And who's playing that damned fiddle in the forum?
It doesn't matter that our troops are still in Iraq, it matters that we hammer this in the press!
Unlike the trolls, we can multitask. Hammer the political bullshit that the GOP tried in the press whilst working to get the troops home in a reasonable, safe and tactically proper fashion. And doing the former will only help accomplish the latter.
I'd like to actually discuss this with NTodd, but these guys make that impossible.
mena
I've also found lately, that some new regulars immediately start yelling "fuck you" if you disagree with them. Which is too bad, because between that and the trolls, it gets almost impossible to carry on a rational conversation.
BTW - I fight with myself as to whether we should just declare victory and get the hell out, or try to hang on until some kind of order is restored. We seriously broke that place. We owe the citizens something.
And it so often works....
mena
And yet, if no one engages them [looking around accusingly], they wilt like orchids in the desert sun.
I bet that even Emeril doesn't keep a picture of his favorite stove on his computer. I've known guys who have a picture of their favorite car around their office but a stove?
Question:
What would happen if Murtha showed up bright and early Monday morning (or whenever the House next meets) -
and proposed his measure again? The same speech, the same wording? And continued to do so daily until even the fucksticks of the MSM catch on and publish the transcript of his ACTUAL proposal?
Can he do that?
It's more than a feeling...
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spork_incident
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Okay - you got me back. Boston was the epitome of sythetic rock.
Concerned Trolls of America.....
You got nothing!
The war in Iraq is criminal and innocent people are being killed by our troops. Still, I had to vote against a non-binding resolution to bring our troops home immediately because of my convictions.
The question is, why didn't its sponsor, Duncan Hunter, vote for it? Is there a straight-faced answer from Hunter or any R to that? Why didn't Hayworth vote for it in honor of his wife who pussy-whipped him into puffing it?
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I'm running out to get some breakfast (w/ extra tofu!), but I just want to say that if this heads-I-win-tails-you-lose "vote" is the Repubs' idea of an unstoppable fighting technique, they're even more doomed than I thought. 'Cause it's going nowhere.
See ya!
I find the trolls on here easy to ignore. Most of them are so fucking stupid, the things they say are only mildly irritating, like when a small fly gets in the house and keeps buzzing around the dinnertable.
I suffer not lightly fools.
George Bush should be tried as a war criminal, but Democrats should vote against non-binding resolutions to immediately end the war. Just on principle.
And yet, if no one engages them [looking around accusingly], they wilt like orchids in the desert sun.
[wilting like an orchid in the desert sun]
I suffer not lightly fools.
NTodd
Your wife does.
Great! So immediate withdrawal is considered "bad" by our side and a planned withdrawel will always be successfully depicted as giving the terrorists a timetable by their side.
Just fucking lovely.
We lost. We lost big time last night because we tried to get cute when they got cute instead of just standing up for our convictions.
Morons.
One can never be quite sure whether "Bob" is "Robert", "da Trufe", "Jade", et tedious cetera.
But even as someone who would be delighted if US forces cut & run with all possible celerity, it's obvious that "Bob" is just trying to draw fire.
[wilting like an orchid in the desert sun]
NTodd
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Well put your damn pants on so we don't have to see!
Okay, I'm clearly not going to get any work done today. It's grey, I'm alone in the house, and have no motivation. Anybody wanna a glass of pinot?
I suffer not lightly fools.
NTodd
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I guess you fear the competition, fool.
"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-- Friedrich von Schiller
I suffer not lightly fools.
NTodd
Your wife does.
She does indeed. More power to her.
Well put your damn pants on so we don't have to see!
I'm still trying to lose enough weight to fit into the ones you gave me.
...1979, but the worst song of the decade had to be Debby Boone's 'You Light Up My Life'.
I nominate "Seasons in the Sun" and "The Night Chicago Died."
Fresh wave of bombs strikes Iraq
Nearly 50 people have been killed and many more injured in a wave of bomb attacks across Iraq.
In the latest incident, at least 35 people were killed in a suicide car bomb attack on a Shia funeral procession near Baquba.
Earlier, 13 people died in a car bomb attack on a crowded market in southern Baghdad. A suicide bomber later wounded at least four in the city centre.
The market bomb was hidden in a car near Diyala Bridge, a mostly Shia area.
I don't know what the problem is in posting this message but I'll try one more time:
Here's a blast from the Past about some of the Katrina flood victims that you're not going to believe. This is written by a volunteer worker who, with his family, had travelled to the mountains of Oklahoma to help with the relief effort.
Typically, the MSM never picked up on this and likely never will but this has all the earmarks of a coverup. Imagine a secluded town in which cabins are all owned by FEMA, local Baptist churches and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Fresh food is turned away by FEMA, men and women are separated and are not allowed to use the kitchen facilities. National Guardsmen patrol the area and ambulances are everywhere. This sounds more like an interment camp than anything and these poor people will be trapped there for five months.
This story is documented by some pretty chilling photos taken by the author's daughter. You really have to read this.
Anybody wanna a glass of pinot?
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You made a good choice. But I'm gonna have to go with the bloody marys.
1970's rock versus trolls.
The Final Smackdown!
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[wilting like an orchid in the desert sun]
NTodd
I love you anyway.
I'm have to run to Union Square to drop off my paper and buy ANOTHER two books. I may have to decide between thanksgiving brunch and books this year.
Have fun with the trolls, but be sure to leave your shoes outside when you come in.
I guess you fear the competition, fool.
Damn, that really hits close to home. I sure am chastened now.
[runs crying to Marcia]
I read that this year's Beaujolais is really good. Good! One of my *favorite* ways to spend a November evening at home is with a bottle of Beaujolais, a big chunk of Camembert, Carr's pepper water crackers, and nice thick enjoyable (i.e., fairly trashy) novel. And a fire in the fireplace and one cat on my lap and the other on the lamp table next to me. Now that is just the thing for a damp windy chilly November evening. Believe you me.
Speaking of bad classic rock, does anyone actually like .38 Special? If not, why do they continue to get played on the radio?
Halfdan
No shit! And why does a certain FM station in my area continue to play songs like "Lunatic Fringe" by Red Rider (whoever the fuck they were) and "Fantasy" by Aldo Nova...on a regular basis...in 2005?????
to me it seemed the Republicans were setting up a nasty trap for the Dems.
Great! So immediate withdrawal is considered "bad" by our side and a planned withdrawel will always be successfully depicted as giving the terrorists a timetable by their side.
Just fucking lovely.
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Muuuuaaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!
When one's point of view is so lame-brained as to belong to a troll, one is, effectively, a troll.
And the only good troll is a starved-to-death troll.
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Anybody wanna a glass of pinot?
Don't mind if I do.
T'anks.
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i watched some coverage on msnbc (why? because i was feeling too good today, i guess) and they made it sound like murtha voted against his own resolution, and they made it seem as though the dems are reversing themselves, and that most of the dems support the war.
that's why the trolls are so insidious about it.
We lost. We lost big time last night because we tried to get cute when they got cute instead of just standing up for our convictions.
What part of "non-binding resolution" don't you understand?
What is it with bringing up a guy's wife as a form of passive agressive attack?
[runs crying to Marcia]
NTodd, Suffering Fool
Here, have a cuddle.
Really leaving. To buy books. Damn it.
You made a good choice. But I'm gonna have to go with the bloody marys.
To late in the afternoon for me to have bloodies. Plus I ran out of vodka weeks ago, and haven't gotten to the state liquor store yet.
I love you anyway.
Whoohoo!
[suddenly more...erect]
What is it with bringing up a guy's wife as a form of passive agressive attack?
Did you just call my wife a bitch?
What part of "non-binding resolution" don't you understand?
Halfdan
Exactly. I voted against a non-binding resolutuion to end segregation in the 50's because it was non-binding. What kind of fool do you think I am?
What should happen, since the House is where all money bills must
origninate, is that Murtha and assorted other mossbacks bring in a bill to de-fund George's Excellent Iraq Adventure, as of 02.01.06, or some other near-but-not-tomorrow date.
That would be interesting.
And would actually accomplish something.
See the Boland Amendment for the how-to.
Man, 70's cheese pop gives me the runs. With that said:
FREEBIRD
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I like pinot noir, too. Delicious, and as an extra side benefit, it gives me psychedelic dreams. Now that's pretty cool.
To buy books.
Real intellectuals get their books for free.
Walk-out stalls Iraq conference
Shia and Kurdish delegates have stormed out of the Iraqi reconciliation conference in Cairo, bringing the meeting to a temporary halt.
The group returned within the hour after a speaker, Iraqi Christian Ibrahim Menas al-Youssefi, apologised for comments regarded as insulting.
Sunni delegate Shehab al-Dulaimi said the conference had resumed after the Arab League conveners said his criticism of fellow delegates would be struck from the record.
In his speech, al-Youssefi had accused fellow delegates of being US stooges saying the entire Iraqi political process was illegitimate and orchestrated by Washington.
You made a good choice. But I'm gonna have to go with the bloody marys.
I'll take some brandy.
["Brandy, you're a fine girl
What a good wife you would be
But my life, my lover, my lady
Is the sea"...Aaaaaagh! Stop!]
AAAAaaaauuuuugggghhhh! I'm sitting here humming horrible songs now. I know the chorus to all of them!
"...me and you and a dog named Boo, how I loved being a free man."
"Hello my friend it's hard to die
While all the birds are singing in the sky, now that spring is in the air little flowers everywhere something something in her hmmmmmm.... we had joy we had fun we had seasons in the sun but the joy like the fun and the seasons are all done???"
Kayla143
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Anybody wanna a glass of pinot?
Don't mind if I do.
[pours spork a glass--in a water goblet (I've broken all but one of my red wine glasses, and it's dirty)]
Here, have a cuddle.
[sniff! wipes nose on shirt sleeve]
Did the same people who did 'Me and You' do 'Seasons in the Sun'? Almost the same song. Whiny singers, drippy lyrics, insipid bouncy tune.
As mentioned earlier, no - Lobo and Terry Jacks were two different people.
But did you know the lyrics for "Season in the Sun" were originally in French and written by Jacques Brel, with the English version written by -- Rod McKuen?
Might explain a lot...
Real intellectuals get their books for free.
That ain't workin'
That's the way you do it
Money for nothin'
And your books for free
Hmmm. How fitting. I return from cleaning the bathroom and I see there's an ass in the house. The irony.
Exactly. I voted against a non-binding resolutuion to end segregation in the 50's because it was non-binding. What kind of fool do you think I am?
Oh you mean the non-binding resolution that would have ended segregation by closing down all the public schools?
Yeah that was a good one.
sheets
Real intellectuals get their books for free.
I'm not one to advocate stealing, or going to the library, but I do like getting books off my Amazon Wishlist.
Pity that the gop congress can't spend the energy being wasted to cover Bush's ass on more worthwhile things like voting funds to send body armor to Iraq.
"Only a go-go girl in love with someone who didn't care,
only 21 she was a young girl just in from somewhere....."
sheetsis
[suddenly more...erect]
Yes, well, maybe pants would cover that up.
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George Bush lied about intelligence to get us into this ill-concieved war. He has committed war crimes that merit execution. I still can't help but admire the Democrats for voting against a non-binding resolution to immediately end the war and sticking to their convictions.
and big breastesess.
FREEBIRD
[waves bic lighter]
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It's grey, I'm alone in the house, and have no motivation. Anybody wanna a glass of pinot?
C'mon, man, break out the bong!
S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y
Night!
Kayla143
Damn, the video takes too long to load over dialup (our satellite is down until we decide whether we want to continue paying through the nose for shitty service).
Wow, this whole resolution thing blowing up in their faces is really scaring the brownshirts, isn't it?
Think someone's already seen the polling on last night's on-air fuck-up and is crapping in his pants?
Pity that the gop congress can't spend the energy being wasted to cover Bush's ass on more worthwhile things like voting funds to send body armor to Iraq.
Pity that 18,000 vests are being recalled.
The media has been calling Murtha a 'pro-military' Democrat. I guess that means that Schmidt is an 'anti-military' republican.
Pity that the gop congress can't spend the energy being wasted to cover Bush's ass on more worthwhile things like voting funds to send body armor to Iraq.
sekmet 2:49 pm
better still, loading them on troop ships and bringin'em home...
i was really disappointed that only three dems had the stones to vote for the Hunter resolution last night. Who was it? Kucinich, Barbara Lee, probably...but who was the third???
Pity that the gop congress can't spend the energy being wasted to cover Bush's ass on more worthwhile things like voting funds to send body armor to Iraq.
sekmet 2:49 pm
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Yes it is. And it's a pity that the Democrats couldn't have stood up for them and voted to bring them home, instead of worrying about getting caught in some kind of silly Republican "trap". All they did was trap themselves, which is what you do everytime you wander away from your principles and try to get to cute.
Wexler, Serrano, McKinney
Have any of the fine people employed to be trolls mentioned that Mr. Bush has positive poll numbers only in Utah, Idaho and Wyoming?
An impressive achievement in uniting the nation.
I feel sad right now.
Her Eyes, I have that song: you want it?
Evening Moonbats.
NTodd, I am just trying to find a way to get my book on your Amazon wish list, does that count?
Arabella, that is my line. Cheer up. Have some happy pills. Listen to some good music? Eat something you really like. Rent a good movie. Investigate sexual expression?
The vice president of deferments:
http://slackerswithadvanceddegre...-and-
other.html
Creo que es muy bueno
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