I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
mememeemmeme
thirst?
What About Bob?
He'll be writing obits for the Times Picayune before the end of the year.
I'll take a fifth
Wait a minute. I just got through reading the PoorMan.
I wonder if Republican whore Rep. Jean ScHmIdT, R-Ohio knows that wearing the American flag as clothing is considering a big no-no and unpatriotic.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10097801/
I wonder sometimes if reporters don't just make shit up, then claim they can't reveal their sources to cover up the fact that there are no sources.
Or maybe I'm just too cynical.
Jean ScHmIdT, R-Ohio knows that wearing the American flag as clothing is considering a big no-no and unpatriotic.
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not to mention unflattering. of course, even a fashion expert couldn't do much with her...she so pinched and mean.
I wonder if Republican whore Rep. Jean ScHmIdT, R-Ohio knows that wearing the American flag as clothing is considering a big no-no and unpatriotic.
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She wouldn't care if she did know. She's a Betty Bowers repuke. They think they're a law unto themselves.
They eagerly rush into print with the substance of the confessions, and then claim with deep piety and sanctimony that they must never be required to identify the source...
So, Duncan, you'd like to see freedom of the press ended? Until you want it back again, of course.
Just what we need - a press corps and mealy-mouthed punditry comprised of an army of "Run Amouks" completely free to destroy the life of any innocent private
citizen.
What is happening to my country?
ql - I've thought for a quite awhile that they could just be making shit up and covering that fact with attribution to an unnamed source.
It's the perfect dodge - unless they are called on the use of the anonymous source, or the information - how would the reader know the difference? And that includes the editor who reads the piece before it is published. I mean, if the reporters all claim this privilege, this means they owe explanations to no one.
God damn it, Atrios, switch to decaf. You're making me look calm.
How bad is it when the vatican has to claim Intelligent Design sucks?
can I answer the troll?
No that doesn't mean Atrios is against freedom of the press at all. Explain how you came to that ridiculous conclusion.
I wonder sometimes if reporters don't just make shit up, then claim they can't reveal their sources to cover up the fact that there are no sources.
I wouldn't doubt it, given all the journo scandals of the last few years.
So, Duncan, you'd like to see freedom of the press ended? Until you want it back again, of course.
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to shoot people.
She wouldn't care if she did know. She's a Betty Bowers repuke. They think they're a law unto themselves.
mena
Don't you mean a Betty Bowers character?
Bowers is kind of a humorist like the Landover Baptist church.
I'm surprised the Bushies haven't been brazenly playing the Freedom of the Press card (like our troll here) to lobby for the privilege from the very top. Fortunately, they won't be able to post-Fitz.
QL - I'm suspicious too. We have no reason to trust them.
Thanks, Tena, for taking one for the team. I'm going to try to behave. For a while.
... can I answer the troll?
No.
Freedom of the press does not equal being a propaganda tool, failing to reveal the flatout lying of sources, or colluding in treason.
Unless you're a wingnut tool, of course.
I don't favor a shield law for journalists -- for one thing, who gets to decide who is a journalist -- for another, I don't have a shield law for being a priest -- why should they get a benefit (I realize that lawyers get a privelege, unless they work for Bill Clinton, but that is because they just make htings up -- & congratulations, again, res, for passing the bar -- I've never been able to pass a bar in my life [Irish joke])
you'd like to see freedom of the press ended?
Freedom of the press is not a license for journalists to destroy reputations of innocent people and protect sources whose vendettas lead them to libel, defame, smear, and in some cases, compromise national security.
pseudonymous in nc | 11.19.05 - 3:18 pm
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to shoot people.
Word.
An absolute freedom to be a third party to libel and blackmail.
Interesting.....
I'm surprised the Bushies haven't been brazenly playing the Freedom of the Press card (like our troll here) to lobby for the privilege from the very top. Fortunately, they won't be able to post-Fitz.
Jay C., Demony Deacon
You can't. It cuts both ways. Recall that texas journalist who was jailed for protecting her anonymous sources?
If you protect freedom of the press then you need to cover every left wing rag out there.
Do you really think Bushco wants to do that?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to shoot people.
pseudonymous in nc
It doesn't even give you the right to own a gun.
i haven't believed a word of anything reporters have said since this regime took over...i figure everything they spew is what they want us to hear.
I believe a lot of things, but I don't believe in encouraging trolls
...she so pinched and mean.
her eyes
I love her. She is the glamour girl for the scorched earth collective that the Republican Party has become. Revel in it, trolls, you fought tenaciously against Iraq veteran officer Paul Hackett. You won. Now genuflect before the stretched skin skull of your candidate. You mightily deserve whatever issues from her sulphuric maw.
her eyes - exactly right.
The ReThugs are a bit off message -- I can't suss out the Talking Point of the Day.
But it looks like the official ReThug Fallacy of the Day is the straw man.
With people like Booby and Judy, I'd say Freedom of the Press died a long time ago.
Hi Prior Aelred, good to see you!
(I realize that lawyers get a privelege, unless they work for Bill Clinton, but that is because they just make htings up -- & congratulations, again, res, for passing the bar -- I've never been able to pass a bar in my life [Irish joke])
Prior Aelred
Lawyers do not have an absolute privilege.
Welcome back Prior, you've been missed.
Hey Prior!
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to shoot people.
pseudonymous in nc
It doesn't even give you the right to own a gun.
Well, that much is certainly up for debate. I think it does, as a matter of fact.
That would be 'accessory' I guess.
Vermont, while definitely fighting on the American side, was an independent nation until 1791. More libertarian about religion than a number of the American states (there is no establishment of religion), the constitutions of 1777 and 1786 still reveal an attitude about religion that is completely contrary to the "neutrality between religion and irreligion" claim of the ACLU. Chapter 1, Article III of the 1777 Constitution:
III. That all men have a natural and unalienable right to worship ALMIGHTY GOD, according to the dictates of their own consciences and understanding, regulated by the word of GOD; and that no man ought, or of right can be compelled to attend any religious worship, or erect, or support any place of worship, or maintain any minister, contrary to the dictates of his conscience; nor can any man who professes the protestant religion, be justly deprived or abridged of any civil right, as a citizen, on account of his religious sentiment, or peculiar mode of religious worship, and that no authority can, or ought to be vested in, or assumed by, any power whatsoever, that shall, in any case, interfere with, or in any manner controul, the rights of conscience, in the free exercise of religious worship: nevertheless, every sect or denomination of people ought to observe the Sabbath, or the Lord's day, and keep up, and support, some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of GOD.
I think it may be time to amend this constitution.
NTodd - can't help it - I'm tired of that stupidity.
Real tired.
The First Amendment doesn't give the press the right to protect lies and liars under the guise of freedom of the press.
Well, that much is certainly up for debate. I think it does, as a matter of fact.
NTodd, Suffering Fool
Troll.
Troll script:
Distorted Premise + Logical Fallacy = Unsupportable Conclusion
"So, Duncan..........."
RED ALERT....RED ALERT.....RED ALERT.
A Troll has been detected in the building. Please set your weapons to stun.
I love her. She is the glamour girl for the scorched earth collective that the Republican Party has become. Revel in it, trolls, you fought tenaciously against Iraq veteran officer Paul Hackett. You won. Now genuflect before the stretched skin skull of your candidate. You mightily deserve whatever issues from her sulphuric maw.
Brilliantly put.
the fact that hackett lost to that shrew tells me elections are definitely fixed.
Naw, phasers to "kill." "Stun" is for people who fear commitment.
TOUCHDOWN MICHIGAN!!!
Troll script:
Distorted Premise + Logical Fallacy = Unsupportable Conclusion
JeffCO
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Yep, and the combo appears to be delicious, although I don't like the tast myself.
I think it may be time to amend this constitution.
Elena
It was, in 1786:
III. That all men have a natural and unalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences and understandings, as In their opinion shall be regulated by the word of God; and that no man ought, or of right can be compelled to attend any religious worship, or erect or support any place of worship, or maintain any minister, contrary to the dictates of his conscience; nor can any man be justly deprived or abridged of any civil right as a citizen, on account of his religious sentiments, or peculiar mode of religious worship; and that no authority can, or ought to be vested in, or assumed by any power whatsoever, that shall in any case interfere with, or in any manner control the rights of conscience, in the free exercise of religious worship: Nevertheless, every sect or denomination of Christians ought to observe the Sabbath or Lord's day, and keep up some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God.
Something I've noticed is that the big US papers -- especially the NYT and WaPo -- require exegesis, not just reading.
I've never noticed that to such a degree with the British national papers: the Sunday columnists are a little more reliant on 'sources close to...', but you never feel so compelled to read between the lines.
That Paul Hackett lost to that cock-gobbling whore Jean Schmidt is a fucking disgrace. Fuck District 2.
In other words, reporters should have a legal privilege to defeat the purpose of the law
Silber forgot to add:
"and pick-up a nifty little paycheck in the process."
Jesus. I CAN too spell!
I think it may be time to amend this constitution.
No thanks, it's working just fine for us.
NTodd - can't help it - I'm tired of that stupidity.
I got yer back.
Well, that much is certainly up for debate. I think it does, as a matter of fact.
NTodd, Suffering Fool
Troll.
I hope you're just teasing.
Naw, phasers to "kill." "Stun" is for people who fear commitment.
naw, my pistol's cartridges are filled with thousands of tiny ceramic pellets. Guaranteed to wound and are a bitch for the doctors to remove.
A Troll has been detected in the building. Please set your weapons to stun.
Set them to pun...that usually drives them away (and long discussions about 70's tunes and weight issues)
Watched McLaughlin Group last night. Segwayed to an interview with former NSA general Odom, of "Iraq is the greatest foreign policy disaster in American history" fame.
In light of the last two days Sunni led bombings and the certain Bader retaliation, Odom's response to the claim that the occupation is necessary to prevent a civil war bloodletting was particularly prescient.
Odom pointed out that all the occupation is doing is allowing the two sides to "train-up" on more effective killing techniques.
These two and three stage car bomb attacks are a good demonstration. They haven't quite figured out the timing for getting the bouncing betty truck through yet. Once they do, watch out.
In Vietnam, they'd encircle artillery with cyclone fencing. It would detonate rockets before they reached the artillery. It didn't take long to figure out that you wanted to send a second or third rocket right behind the first.
TOUCHDOWN MICHIGAN!!!
Fuck.
Well, that much is certainly up for debate. I think it does, as a matter of fact.
NTodd, Suffering Fool
Read it closely, it does no such thing.
I hope you're just teasing.
She's such a fucking harpy that I want Schmidt to stand up and be the spokesperson for the House Repugs. I think that would be peachy.
the fact that hackett lost to that shrew tells me elections are definitely fixed.
I dunno. That district looked like the sort where you normally weigh the votes, not count them. I suspect there may well be a primary challenge, if the GOP wants to keep OH-2 in '06. Like Cruella de Harris, Schmidt has drawn a big fucking target on herself, and there's going to be a Dem who'll take aim.
Actually, I hope Schmidt gets re-elected forever. Let the nation see the real face of the ReThugs. Kind of tough on OH-2, but a valuable service for the rest of us.
So, how will you Dems make up for the fact that withdrawal is now off the table?
cock-gobbling whore
You say that like it's a bad thing.
A Troll has been detected in the building. Please set your weapons to stun.
And crack a window - whew!
For the record, you can see our entire State Constitution here.
Fuck off, Ruppert.
Well Iowa wins the most bizarred football trophy around for the fifth straight year.
They get "Floyd of Rosedale" a bronze pig.
*sigh*
I'm not kidding.
So I noticed that the troll didn't answer Tena's question. Probably because the troll had nothing. Imagine that.
"Guard yourself against accusations, even if they are false; for the multitude are ignorant of the truth and look only to reputations." - Isocrates
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates
"I am bound to tell what I am told, but not in every case to believe it." - Herodotus
"The greatest enemy of all is considered he who tells the truth." - Plato
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Cruella deHarris! oh, that's rich!
Good afternoon, all.
Sorry if it's been mentioned, but Atrios got a mention in the Strib today:
http://www.startribune.com/stori...62/
5735684.html
Oh, and trolls are boring. The end.
cock-gobbling whore
You say that like it's a bad thing.
JeffCO
If Jean is the gobbler, it's bad.
I hope Wen Ho Lee wins that suit. Some damage is nearly irreversible. When his name reappeared in the news, I thought, "isn't he that traitor guy?"
Well, that much is certainly up for debate. I think it does, as a matter of fact.
NTodd, Suffering Fool
Read it closely, it does no such thing.
I have read it closely, thanks. An unfortunate placement of a comma, perhaps, though the interpretation as a right for the People to bear arms is consistent with the wording and state Constitutions from which the amendment was derived.
You don't like it? Amend it.
Fact: More Americans approve of Republicans in Congress than Democrats in Congress
Set them to pun...that usually drives them away (and long discussions about 70's tunes and weight issues) Uncle Smokes
Shorter WaPo: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Booby!
I'm not kidding.
attaturk
Dammit. I want the pig back here!!
We've also got the Little Brown Jug with Michigan & Minnesota, and Paul Bunyon's axe with Wisconsin & MN.
At least we got the jug back this year.
Not sure why but Schmidt reminds me of an older Katherine Harris.
http://www.themoderatevoice.com/
...arris300afp.jpg
So, how will you Dems make up for the fact that withdrawal is now off the table?
It's not off the table. Murtha's resolution hasn't been debated yet, and this whole kerfuffle has just focused even more attention on Operation Clusterfuck.
I was thinking last night of how only two college sporting events in Britain come close to the crowds of the game in Michigan today. You'll get 75,000 in Twickenham next month for the Oxford-Cambridge rugby, and about 250,000 along the Thames for the boat race.
A more compact version of Murtha's resolution was defeated by a 403 to 3 margin.
Withdrawal is off the table.
Hey, Ruppert: why haven't you fucked off, like you promised?
Fact: More Americans approve of Republicans in Congress than Democrats in Congress
Only the ones who live on Uranus.
So, Duncan, you'd like to see freedom of the press...
blah blah blah clinton got a blow job blah blah nagin didn't order the busses blah blah blah atrios' real name is "duncan," you know blah blah blah something about negroes blah blah blah howard dean is mean blah blah blah frist never diagnosed schiavo blah blah blah abramoff never called native americans "monkeys" blah blah blah dennis hastert isn't fat blah blah blah just because we haven't found wmd doesn't mean there are no wmd blah blah blah jean schmidt isn't batshit crazy blah blah blah the 2005 elections are irrelevant blah blah blah they were oreos thick in the air like locusts! blah blah blah isn't "soros" a jewish name blah blah blah santorum doesn't believe in intelligent design blah blah blah bush is absolutely positively not drinking again blah blah blah if you give jonah doughy pantload goldberg a colonoscopy live on national teevee the tiny camera at the end of the probe will reveal, written in sanskrit on the inside of his sphincter the time and place when we will reach the next turning point in iraq...
Fact: More Americans approve of Republicans in Congress than Democrats in Congress
Citation, bitch.
For the record, you can see our entire State Constitution here.
From Article 16:
"...standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up..."
Wow!
If that had made its way into the Federal constitution!
It's hard for us to understand that prior to WWII, Americans had a traditional distrust of standing armies--and for good reason.
Fact: More Americans approve of Republicans in Congress than Democrats in Congress
Fred Eper | 11.19.05 - 3:32 pm | #
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links?
check out South Carolina's constitution
Article III:
That as soon as may be after the first meeting of the senate and house of representatives, and at every first meeting of the senate and house of representatives thereafter, to be elected by virtue of this constitution, they shall jointly in the house of representatives choose by ballot from among themselves or from the people at large a governor and commander-in-chief, a lieutenant-governor, both to continue for two years, and a privy council, all of the Protestant religion, and till such choice shall be made the former president or governor and commander-in-chief, and vice-president or lieutenant-governor, as the case may be, and privy council, shall continue to act as such.
Article XII:
[N]o person shall be eligible to a seat in the said senate unless he be of the Protestant religion, and hath attained the age of thirty years, and hath been a resident in this State at least five years.
Article XIII:
The qualification of electors shall be that every free white man, and no other person, who acknowledges the being of a God, and believes in a future state of rewards and punishments, and who has attained to the age of one and twenty years.... No person shall be eligible to sit in the house of representatives unless he be of the Protestant religion, and hath been a resident in this State for three years previous to his election.
A more compact version of Ruppert's penis would require an electron microscope to see.
Schmidt has drawn a big fucking target on herself.
I like that Schmidt did that. It makes for great political advertising in an evenly divided district.
A loathsome bitch publicly calling a wounded veteran a coward makes for great political theatre, particularly when she has to run again so soon.
Well, Gary..er, Fred -- lots of opportunities for you to enlist in the glorious cause.
A more compact version of Murtha's resolution was defeated by a 403 to 3 margin.
Withdrawal is off the table.
Wrong and wrong. Keep going: you're batting 1.000!
cock-gobbling whore
You say that like it's a bad thing.
JeffCO
Sorry, should have been clearer. "Cock-gobbling whore for Bush."
Withdrawl off the table? Not according to the DOD.
Defense official: Rumsfeld given Iraq withdrawal plan
Plan calls for troops to begin pulling out after December elections
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The top U.S. commander in Iraq has submitted a plan to the Pentagon for withdrawing troops in Iraq, according to a senior defense official.
Gen. George Casey submitted the plan to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It includes numerous options and recommends that brigades -- usually made up of about 2,000 soldiers each -- begin pulling out of Iraq early next year.
www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/18/iraq.plan/
index.html
Only the ones who live on Uranus.
Should read "in." I think Ken Mehlman's been there.
I'm not kidding.
attaturk
Dammit. I want the pig back here!!
We've also got the Little Brown Jug with Michigan & Minnesota, and Paul Bunyon's axe with Wisconsin & MN.
Nobody fights for more bizarre trophies than the "Golden Gophers" (ooooh, frightening mascot no?).
Great fightsong though.
No person shall be eligible to sit in the house of representatives unless he be of the Protestant religion, and hath been a resident in this State for three years previous to his election.
Which reminds me: Clemson vs South Carolina, on the same day as Rangers vs Celtic. Two transplanted Protestant-Catholic grudge matches.
But doug, what do serving military commanders know about war? [/rethug]
res ipsa loquitur | 11.19.05 - 3:34 pm
Beautiful!!
Gen G. Casey withdrawl plan link again. I hope this one works this time.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/me...plan/
index.html
Fact: More Americans approve of Republicans in Congress than Democrats in Congress
And, of course, you have a source for that fact. Right?
Smokes: Vermont's caveat about standing armies is not unique. Here's Virginia's:
Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
OSU just missed a FG, 18-12 Michigan.
Bush 34%
Cheney < 30%
Fuck off, trolls.
Murtha's resolution hasn't been debated yet, and this whole kerfuffle has just focused even more attention on Operation Clusterfuck.
I, for one, am glad the Democrats stuck to their guns and voted against a non-binding resolutuion to end the war.
Not sure why but Schmidt reminds me of an older Katherine Harris.
I don't think they're all that far apart in age, but it just goes to show what being a vile, crazy bitch will do to one's complexion.
One more--Article 7:
"That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community, and not for the particular emolument or advantage of any single person, family, or set of persons, who are a part only of that community; and that the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right, to reform or alter government, in such manner as shall be, by that community, judged most conducive to the public weal."
Ye gods! That's good old-fashioned, solid democratic doctrine.
How I miss it!
Hey NTodd, are there jobs for experienced computer programmers up in Vermont? What's the cost of living?
The militia went out of business with the tax farmer.
NTodd: one reason, I think, that the second amendment is such a mess is that it fudges the question of how militias should be regulated: bottom-up, or top-down.
Source
"And how would you rate the job Republicans in Congress are doing – excellent, pretty good, only fair or poor?"
Positive - 27
Negative - 69
"And how would you rate the job Democrats in Congress are doing – excellent, pretty good, only fair or poor?"
Positive - 25
Negative - 70
I like the Old Brass Spittoon, given to the victor of the big Michigan State and Indiana game. Fighting over a spittoon, no wonder the games usually suck.
I, for one, am glad the Democrats stuck to their guns and voted against a non-binding resolutuion to end the war.
I certainly am glad they stuck together and shot down the GOP's stupid resolution, along with the sponsor himself. Pretty funny that he proposed something only to vote against it.
OSU just missed a FG, 18-12 Michigan.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
Nobody fights for more bizarre trophies than the "Golden Gophers" (ooooh, frightening mascot no?).
Great fightsong though.
True dat.
And, we play in a dome. How many teams can, nay, want to claim that?
Assrocket's boss wants to give the U of M money for naming rights if they build an on campus stadium. Lame.
Blasts Kill 49 in Iraq; U.S. Troops Killed
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide attacker killed at least 36 people and wounded 50 more in a Shiite funeral procession Saturday north of Baghdad, while a car bomb near a market just outside the capital killed 13 and wounded 21, police said.
The U.S. military also said five soldiers were killed Saturday and five were wounded in a pair of roadside bombings in northern Iraq. The soldiers were assigned to the 101st Airborne Division and were on patrol near Beiji, 155 miles north of Baghdad, the statement said.
Only on Uranus is a difference with the margin of error a mandate.
I, for one, am glad the Democrats stuck to their guns and voted against a non-binding resolutuion to end the war.
That is something to think about, isn't it. All this hoopla and God knows how much taxpayer money spent on what was little more than a chance for the members of the House to get some air time, and even if the damn thing passed, it wouldn't really have made for a hill of beans. Your elected represenatives at work.
Which reminds me: Clemson vs South Carolina, on the same day as Rangers vs Celtic. Two transplanted Protestant-Catholic grudge matches.
I recall in second grade, we didn't have to turn in homework if we came to school in orange clothing (or red if your teacher was a USC fan).
Brainwashed by the Protestant Menace!
Fact: Ruppert is a liar and was smacked down with reality on this already.
Fact: the latest Harris poll shows no statistical difference in approval between Republicans and Democrats in Congress:
GOP: 32/64 Positive/Negative
Dems: 31/65 Positive/Negative
MOE: 3%
Fact: the same poll shows that Congressional GOP are rated 'Poor' by significantly more Americans than the Dems: 31% to 25%.
Choke on reality.
The militia went out of business with the tax farmer
Au contrair! The blue collar wingnuttia are stockpiling food and munitions yet as we write, in anticipation of the Chinese invasion the have already foreseen.
mena --
sometimes all of us have little spelling trouble (ahem)
Hi ql, mer -- hope I see you all well
Where is EschaCon II going to be? (I think that it is important to plan ahea
mena --
sometimes all of us have little spelling trouble (ahem)
Hi ql, mer -- hope I see you all well
Where is EschaCon II going to be? (I think that it is important to plan ahea
I would say that our enemies were embolded by the 3 votes for a surrender, they know that they have a base in Congress.
Only on Uranus is a difference with the margin of error a mandate.
Yet another Bruce
I think that should be "in."
And sheets.
Blasts Kill 49 in Iraq; U.S. Troops Killed
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide attacker killed at least 36 people and wounded 50 more in a Shiite funeral procession Saturday north of Baghdad, while a car bomb near a market just outside the capital killed 13 and wounded 21, police said.
The U.S. military also said five soldiers were killed Saturday and five were wounded in a pair of roadside bombings in northern Iraq. The soldiers were assigned to the 101st Airborne Division and were on patrol near Beiji, 155 miles north of Baghdad, the statement said.
Moe Szyslak
I'm so proud of the Democrats for voting against a non-binding resolution that would have brought our troops home immediately.
I had no idea about the Ulster influence in the upstate before moving here. But when it got explained to me, a lot of things clicked, including the fact that Ian fucking Paisley got his doctorate from Bob Jones U.
"Golden Gophers" (ooooh, frightening mascot no?)
. Speaking of scary mascots, the state of Oregon has the Beavers and the Ducks. My favorite is the Idaho Vandals. It's says something when you get a team named after criminals.
Hiya Prior A! Longtime no see!
I had heard that Tena and sallyh were planning EschaCon II; I suggest you ask one of them.
um.
i clicked on the link and it only shows how low the approval ratings are for bush and cheney, and all other repukes.
there is nothing positive there.
Attaturk,
As a proud Iowa man myself, I will remind you and all that the Floyd trophy commemorates an actual pig (named Floyd) that was the prize of a inter-state wager on the football game's outcome, back in the 30s. (Wasn't this part of the required Government test to pass High School?)
And I never found it any goofier than the Boot, the Paul Bunyan Axe, the Little Brown Jug (now there's a goofy story!), or any of the other wacky crap that football teams ostensibly fight over every year.
On the topic at hand, I marvel at the concept of Journalist Confessors travelling the earth, hearing the sins of the powerful and granting them confidential absolution. If they functioned as Sin-Eaters, maybe we should amend to the law to make the reporter solely responsible for the lies of their sources, so-called "good faith" or no...
Mary, you're right, within -- I stand corrected, with thanks.
Hey NTodd, are there jobs for experienced computer programmers up in Vermont? What's the cost of living?
Not sure about programmers, but I'd bet 50 dollars and a box of donuts that IDX (healthcare software company) is always in need, though they appear to be ageist. Cost of living is rather reasonable, though we do have an affordable housing shortage, at least in the more populous areas like Chittenden County, where all the jobs are.
NTodd: one reason, I think, that the second amendment is such a mess is that it fudges the question of how militias should be regulated: bottom-up, or top-down.
I agree that it's not so clear as VA's wording, which is why I suggest that rather than try to pass more gun control, people work to clarify the Constitution with an amendment. It was originally inspired by VA's constitution, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, IIRC (I might be making that up).
Headline on Freddy's source:
"President Bush’s Job Rating Falls Again, to 34 Percent Positive"
Wonder what the MOE is on that congress survey? "Cause it's kind of, you know, statistically a dead heat.
Whereas +/- 3% on the prez gives us 31-37.
MANDATE, BIYOTCH!
in anticipation of the Chinese invasion
It will hardly be an invasion, if it's only a landlords property inspection.
(or where do the trools think their money ends up at, when they shop at the big box stores? It's all chinese goods there)
if the Dems were due for such huge gains, they wouldn't be so unpopular.
The fact is that the status quo will prevail.
Until modern times, it was always seen as some form of privledge to serve in the military. Citizenship was defined by your place in the military.
Until the 18th century when the proletariat became the great tool of the ruling class.
I would say that our enemies were embolded by the 3 votes for a surrender, they know that they have a base in Congress.
THAT was pretty fucking funny.
"More Compact" Gary...er, Fred:
Dems are powerless, but a real threat to us.
Jesus, if you didn't exist, we'd have to invent you.
Some nutcase posted as much on Raw
Story the other day. He was chiding the left for it pacifisim, even in the face of the impending war with China.
He didn't explain why he wasn't in uniform yet, but that's another matter. Maybe he's a Cheney, DeLay, Bush, Wolfie, Frist or wanker of similar ilk.
I had no idea about the Ulster influence in the upstate before moving here. But when it got explained to me, a lot of things clicked, including the fact that Ian fucking Paisley got his doctorate from Bob Jones U.
Yup. A lot of the Civil War buffs I know also double as Ulster Scot buffs- flags, tartans, etc.
Mucho amor to all of you. I gotta go shower.
along with the rest of the Bill of Rights
Ooh no. Most of it comes from the English Bill of Rights, which states 'that the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law'. Which is nice.
I was about to post Webster's definitions of "keep", "bear", and "arms" for our little trollie poo, but I suppose it'd just come back at us with some story about a castle, Goldilocks, and baking soda. I would like to know where anybody can find in the first amendment a right to knowingly slander and libel. Why, oh why are these people so numb?
The militia amendments are an implicit critique of the treatment of the working class.
This morning on Don Imus’ show, Post media writer Howard Kurtz described the controversy being inflicted on news organizations from Time magazine to The New York Times, and now the Post as a “virus” spreading from one to the next. He also said he’s taken to calling Woodward’s latest secret source as “Shallow Throat.” I’d take it a step further and say it’s the media’s addiction to unnamed sources that is the virus and it’s giving the entire profession a “Sore Throat.” And if it goes untreated, it could turn into something much more serious to our health.
So says Vaughn Ververs at CBS.
Until modern times, it was always seen as some form of privledge to serve in the military.
'Starship Troopers' is not a history book.
Actually, buying commissions was a good way to deal with dunderhead second sons.
Until modern times, it was always seen as some form of privledge to serve in the military. Citizenship was defined by your place in the military.
Heinlein fan?
Fact: Ruppert does not comprehend the meaning of MOE in polling.
NYMary --
I keep asking them -- they never tell me (maybe they don't want me to get there)
Woodward's source is "Imaginary Throat", he's making up his story about being told about Plame
One thing I dislike among South Carolinians is the term 'Scotch-Irish', which I promise would make most Ulster Protestants slap you in the face.
Fact: Ruppert does not comprehend the meaning of MOE in polling.
JeffCO
I'll explain: He's the one who's always smacking Shemp and Curly.
'Starship Troopers' is not a history book.
No, Max Weber The agrarian Sociology of Ancient Civilization.
Ooh no. Most of it comes from the English Bill of Rights...
I'm not entirely convinced of that. Do you have a reference? A lot of the arguments about the US Constitution drew on state constitutions for support. Perhaps they relied on the English Bill of Rights, and indirectly the Federal doc did?
Pardon my pissiness, but I must repeat an analogy: clusters of new posts make me feel like a leashed dog being dragged along by a master who is suddenly in a hurry.
Naturally (I think) everyone wants to move to the freshest sheets possible.
On the other hand, if one decides to actually read the background to the post before checking out the comments, it's going to take a few minutes.
And it's discouraging to then come into the comments only to find "Sheets!"
Too bad there's not an electronic hopper in which one could store posts, which would then be dispensed at a regular interval.
I can't figure out a way to make the best of this circumstance. It's frustrating, even-- yes-- vexing. End of rant.
On topic: this issue clearly has been dogmatized into paralysis. The troll, or whatever it is that's throwing up its claws about killing the freedom of the press, is taking the position many journalists and pundits took during the Judy³ Show.
They simply refuse to acknowledge the inherent rottenness in their absolute interpretation of "the freedom of the press".
Their mantra simply obscures all of the telling and substantial criticisms about how that "freedom" has been hijacked and exploited. As Silber notes, they do indeed maintain the warped standard that equates "revealing sources" with revealing the secrets of the confessional.
I don't expect such absolutists to be persuaded of the obvious defects in their position.
It reminds me, though, of a discussion I had with my brother, who's lived in France during his adult life. He was expressing shock and dismay that US courts had tried Ira Einhorn in absentia. Not because he doubted that Einhorn was a despicable murderer, but because he thought that trying people in absentia was simply not done.
Actually, he may have been telling me that his French and European associates were horrified at this, because it is pretty much an absolute principle in French law.
(Gee, I'm starting to get nostalgic about absolute principles-- remember when there was "habeas corpus" and no Patriot Act?)
It wasn't exactly a heated debate, but I pointed out that if one could rely on never being tried for a crime in absentia, it was tantamount to stating that even heinous criminal action was OK, as long as you had a reliable escape plan.
My brother thought about it, then said, "Hmmm... I see what you mean."
Such moments don't come often enough in life.
One thing I dislike among South Carolinians is the term 'Scotch-Irish', which I promise would make most Ulster Protestants slap you in the face.
We Scot-Irish don't drink scotch!
So the best evidence in Scooter's defense is a lie? Thanks, Gary...er, Fred!
The fact is that the status quo will prevail.
History disagrees. Remember, at one time, "seperate but equal" was the status quo.
No Hoplites, no Greek Democracy.
'Starship Troopers' is not a history book.
LOL... good one.
It does make a person feel proud to be an Earthling though. And who wouldn't enjoy killing souless bugs with a vengence?
Perhaps they relied on the English Bill of Rights, and indirectly the Federal doc did?
That's what I meant. The founding 'merkins considered themselves the keepers of the flame w/r/t the Glorious Revolution; and some of the language of the federal BoR is taken verbatin from the 1689 version.
New Jersey Constitution of 1776:
Article XVIII:
That no person shall ever, within this Colony, be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshipping Almighty God in a manner, agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; nor, under any presence whatever, be compelled to attend any place of worship, contrary to his own faith and judgment; nor shall any person, within this Colony, ever be obliged to pay tithes, taxes, or any other rates, for the purpose of building or repairing any other church or churches, place or places of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes to be right, or has deliberately or voluntarily engaged himself to perform.
Article XIX:
That there shall be no establishment of any one religious sect in this Province, in preference to another; and that no Protestant inhabitant of this Colony shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil right, merely on account of his religious principles; but that all persons, professing a belief in the faith of any Protestant sect. who shall demean themselves peaceably under the government, as hereby established, shall be capable of being elected into any office of profit or trust, or being a member of either branch of the Legislature, and shall fully and freely enjoy every privilege and immunity, enjoyed by others their fellow subjects.
Article XXIII:
That every person, who shall be elected as aforesaid to be a member of the Legislative Council, or House of Assembly, shall, previous to his taking his seat in Council or Assembly, take the following oath or affirmation, viz:
" I, A. B., do solemnly declare, that, as a member of the Legislative Council, [or Assembly, as the case may be,] of the Colony of New-Jersey, I will not assent to any law, vote or proceeding, which shall appear to me injurious to the public welfare of said Colony, nor that shall annul or repeal that part of the third section in the Charter of this Colony, which establishes, that the elections of members of the Legislative Council and Assembly shall be annual; nor that part of the twenty-second section in said Charter, respecting the trial by jury, nor that shall annul, repeal, or alter any part or parts of the eighteenth or nineteenth sections of the same."
I understand Starship Troopers is required viewing at the White House
pseudo - then we're on the same page.
Prior A,
I won't step on toes, but I'll do some organizing if I'm asked.
I find it interesting the repugs are all saying we have to stay and finish the job in Iraq else the insurgents will win.
I remember when there was this small "police action" in a little po-dunk country, 'nam, and the political dialogue of the day was "we have to stay and finish the job we started or the enemy will win".
We pulled out and the enemy won. Now we're on the best of terms with them. Complete with trade deals and war reparations for the damage we did to their country.
The point of the exercise back then was to let things take their own course. Perhaps if we pull out of Iraq and let the place go to hell, in about 10 or 20 years a working government will rear its head out of the chaos..just like 'nam.
regards
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I understand Starship Troopers is required viewing at the White House
Mmm...I like Dizzy as a girl...
Actually, Virginia and New Jersey gave Democrats lower percentages of the vote in 2005 than in 2001
Fact: every statistic Ruppert posts is a lie.
I find it interesting the repugs are all saying we have to stay and finish the job in Iraq else the insurgents will win.
I know, that's why I'm glad the Democrats voted against a non-binding resolution to bring our troops home immediately.
Actually, buying commissions was a good way to deal with dunderhead second sons.
The military determined citizenship in the ancient world.(What James Harrington calls Ancient Prudence.) Early modern times saw the untenable romance of that view. See Hobbes.
I understand Starship Troopers is required viewing at the White House.
GW tears-up during the standoff. Makes him wish he was 22 again, so he could "go infantry"... NOT!
Actually, Virginia and New Jersey gave Democrats lower percentages of the vote in 2005 than in 2001
Fred Eper,/i>
That's common knowledge, it proves nothing.
Actually, Virginia and New Jersey gave Democrats lower percentages of the vote in 2005 than in 2001
And you have a citation for that, right?
Much of the rhetoric of the founding fathers is a classicism that was rapidly disappearing. The modern world has no use for this language.
Fuckin tags.
Fred Leper is quite the statistician.
Note to Leper:
Those are the same numbers.
Much of the rhetoric of the founding fathers is a classicism that was rapidly disappearing. The modern world has no use for this language.
That's why Shakespeare is so bloody unpopular...
NYMary --
I just asked Tena above -- I wasn't trying to get you to offer more free labor (speaking of which, how are you feeling?)
The Democrats don't want our troops in Iraq, where they are killing innocent civilians, that's why they voted against a non-binding resolution to bring them home immediately.
Until modern times, it was always seen as some form of privledge to serve in the military. Citizenship was defined by your place in the military.
Interesting, that, since wealthy Americans used to be able to and did buy substitutes to send to war in their places. They did it during the Civil War.
The Democrats don't want our troops in Iraq, where they are killing innocent civilians, that's why they voted against a non-binding resolution to bring them home immediately.
How can you talk so loud when I got you by the throat?
Interesting, that, since wealthy Americans used to be able to and did buy substitutes to send to war in their places
And in ancient times a man of moderate property could secure citizenship privledges if he could buy his armor, etc.
Prior - I'm sorry, I didn't see your question.
Last I heard, EschaConII is going to be in Chicago. I don't know when.
eschatonian:
"A man who takes pleasure in speaking continuously fools himself in thinking he is not unpleasant to those around him." - Sophocles
In the modern vernacular, a clunker the first time is not any more clever the fortieth time .
Fact: trying to bring the troops home immediately would cause the greatest degree of death and risk of injury, both for our troops and for the Iraqi people they are allegedly there to liberate.
Fact: keeping our troops in Iraq indefinitely with no plan and no criteria by which to judge success and no guideline for withdrawal is the next most dangerous thing to be doing and continues to cause death destruction and chaos for our troops and for the Iraqi people.
Fact: the Republican resolution was a shameful endorsement of killing our troops immediately. No one should have voted for it.
Tena --
THANKS!
Chicago is close -- I should be able to make it (the bursar has been getting ugly about the last budget meeting -- says we are living beyond our means -- I expect that there will be faces about travel or seeing movies -- not that these are big ticket items, but it is about the only part of our expenses over which we have any control)
It's a good thng that the enemy wasn't emboldened before, when they killed only 2000 or so of our troops.
The war is lost; it's just a matter of time before the "leadershit" realizes it. Same Viet Nam shit, different day. Fighting a war against a verb is unwinnable, something the Busheviks count on, but lost to the wingnuttia. America has lost its moral authority, and can only regain it when peace and freedom are restored, in Iraq and the USA.
ronjazz--
I've said that since before the invasion -- occupations don't succeed -- you can maintian an occupation if you are willing to pay the blood price -- easier for a dictatorship than a democracy, but still was too much for the USSR in Afghanistan
Goood afternoon chickenbeavers.
What have YOU done to fight Terror(tm) today??
What have YOU done to fight Terror(tm) today??
Nim, ham hock of liberty
turra. It's turra.
The war is lost; it's just a matter of time before the "leadershit" realizes it. Same Viet Nam shit, different day. Fighting a war against a verb is unwinnable, something the Busheviks count on, but lost to the wingnuttia. America has lost its moral authority, and can only regain it when peace and freedom are restored, in Iraq and the USA.
ronjazz
Much of the rhetoric of the founding fathers is a classicism that was rapidly disappearing. The modern world has no use for this language.
And obviously this country has no use for any of those sentiments, either!
Nim, what are you doing all the way down here? I believe it is pronounced "Terra"
Speaking of the Founding Fathers, the new Harper's has Jefferson's non-miraculous Gospel -- haven't had time to read it yet
Terry C --
You get that WWE info I sent?
I would say that our enemies were embolded by the 3 votes for a surrender, they know that they have a base in Congress.
I want what HE's having.
Terry C --
You get that WWE info I sent?
Prior Aelred
I read the thing about Eddie G. (that was a shame).
America has lost its moral authority, and can only regain it when peace and freedom are restored, in Iraq and the USA.
ronjazz
We lost that the day the SCOTUS handed the WH over to Prince Fuckwit.
What have YOU done to fight Terror(tm) today??
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Got me some of dem new fangled ribbon magnets, now in all kinds of pretty culers thanks to dem "foreigners" and stuck a nice new flag on my antennie
(Vietnam --) the political dialogue of the day was "we have to stay and finish the job we started or the enemy will win".
Don't forget, "If we don't fight them there we'll be fighting them over here".
We all remember after Saigon fell, when the North Vietnamese Navy launched their amphibious assault on Venice Beach and conquest of the western US.
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