I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
This is sooooo not a surprise: and it's not even the best argument against torture!
Is "Al-Libi" his real name, or their cover?
I know I always like to have a good "Al-libi" when I get into hot water.
Why does that man post from my account? (sigh)
I keep a print-out of that Times article for when people lay out that "ticking time bomb" crap.
"Hello, is this The Hague? I'd like to make a reservation..."
George W. Bush: "We do not torture."
Liar
Liar
Liar
Liar
Liar
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And then he blames the intellegence community for the bad information even though they did it just like he wanted it.
Pricks.
They were just trying to make them reveal their secret egg salad recipe.
Torture for false confessions to establish casus belli for war that will occasion more torture to elicit more false confessions for widening and perpetuating war: it's a Perpetual War Machine. Makes Nixon-Kisisnger sideshows seems like nursery-school play.
crappy title on this post.
why so flip?
Bomb kills five U.S. soldiers in Iraq
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An improvised bomb killed five U.S. army soldiers patrolling near the Iraqi town of Baiji on Saturday, and a second device wounded another five, the U.S. military said.
The soldiers were from the 101st Airborne Division, the military said.
define "we"
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wm...981010-
iraq.htm
You keep saying 'false' like it's a bad thing.
Statements are 'true' to the extent that they support the vanguard role of the Party in the glorious revolution.
Statements are 'false' to the extent that they promote counter-revolution.
Only the organs of the Party, therefore, can conclusively determine which statements are 'true' and which statements are 'false'.
Well that cinches it. Even the people who claim that the ends justify the means w/ regard to torture--even they have to wake up.
I don't think it's a crappy title. The point is that torture produces wrong but presumably desired info. That's why they bought into it, and that's what they got.
crappy title on this post.
why so flip?
It's a great title. Why so unreasonably critical?
"Any excuse will serve a tyrant." - Aesop
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According to CIA sources, Ibn al Shaykh al Libbi, after two weeks of enhanced interrogation, made statements that were designed to tell the interrogators what they wanted to hear. Sources say Al Libbi had been subjected to each of the progressively harsher techniques in turn and finally broke after being water boarded and then left to stand naked in his cold cell overnight where he was doused with cold water at regular intervals.
Excuse me, "enhanced interrogation?" That's fucking torture, you fucking Times' wankers. Spelled T-O-R-T-U-R-E.
Jesus Fucking Christ!
"Hello, is this The Hague? I'd like to make a reservation..."
"I'm sorry, we only take reservations for parties greater than eight."
"That's okay, I have a whole administration coming in."
it is for these reasons i am ashamed.
the hague is too good for these bastards.
Sorry, those wankers are at ABC.
I regret the etc...
the hague is too good for these bastards.
It's a start.
21-12 Michigan.
Don't worry, there'll be a reckoning. No, wait, not that, the other thing: worry.
"Hello, is this The Hague? I'd like to make a reservation..."
"I'm sorry, we only take reservations for parties greater than eight."
"That's okay, I have a whole administration coming in."
"We only have enough seats for 8 bad apples..."
Shame on America. The only thing Republicans didn't like about Communism is that they weren't making a profit on it. Everything else, the gulags, the murders, the torture, the twisted economics they admired. Now that they have figured out how to make a buck off the Communists in China forget about human rights. That's so Jimmy Carter.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
21-12 Michigan.
Fuck you, Wolverines. 
It's stuff like this that makes me fear the death grip that this administration is going to use to hang on to power. There is too much that they have done that they never want to see the light of day.
Bush belongs before The Hague.
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"We only have enough seats for 8 bad apples..."
That's allright, they can stand for as long as it takes.
Can we use waterboarding on Jean Schmidt to maker her tell us where the ball is?
Why aren't there about a million of us out on the Mall protesting this, oh, once a month or so?
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
They didn't just stovepipe intelligence, they tortured misinformation out of someone on purpose to feed us.
I may be speechless for the rest of the day.
My brain has shut down - what the hell can you say?
Another Bruce -- I fear you're right. IMHO, one of our most basic traditions is peaceful transfer of power. And I'm honestly starting to worry that tradition will be found as "quaint" as some others have recently.
Stop me if you've heard this one before:
1. The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.
2. Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.
3. The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.
4. Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
5. The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.
6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
Wait don't tell me... let me guess... it's an oldie but a goodie...
Oh yeah - SS, Nazi Germany, 1941! Those crazy krauts!
A twentysomething year old co-worker whispered in disbelief yesterday that he believes our Human Resource Director is a liberal Democrat. I was stunned for a second thinking that he was kidding but seeing the disgust on his face, answered back that I am his worst nightmare then. He stormed off. I will be TORTURING this little fuck daily.
A great supporting argument is in Bamford's new Rolling Stone article about the marketing of al-Haideri’s false claims about underground WMD facilities even after he failed a lie detector test.
See http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...11/19/151049/
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"We only have enough seats for 8 bad apples..."
That's allright, they can stand for as long as it takes.
Rummy won't find that to be a problem.
Why aren't there about a million of us out on the Mall protesting this, oh, once a month or so?
Not sure that's really necessary. The majority is against the war already. What's more important is stuff like what Murtha is doing, and GOTV efforts to make sure Congress is wrested from GOP control in 2006.
I'm all for marches--went to the 9/24 rally, of course--but they ain't the only weapon in our arsenal.
Another Bruce
Yet another Bruce
How many of you guys are there? Do you meet for coffee?
but, but, but
They may have a dirty bomb ready to blow up NYC. We have to be able to the information somehow.
I just can't take it anymore.
From these assholes in congress defending this crap, to fuckers that come here and throw nonsensical bull dunk around, to the people that defend this administration, it becomes increasingly harder to stay positive about 06.
More soldiers dying, more talking points, more dumb ass journalists spewing whatever is fed to them, instead of, I don't know, going out and finding this shit out for themselves.
We are truly corrupt as a nation right now. If somebody wants to call me a traitor, go right ahead. These jackasses have truly started to dig graves for our children, and I'm done with it.
So long, America. You had the right idea, at one time.
(sorry for the rant)
fuck
21-19 Michigan
"I hate that citizen who, to help his fatherland seems slow, but swift to do great harm of profit to himself, but useless to the state." - Aristophanes
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there is no such thing as American-led torture. We've used new ways of interrogation which are perfectly legal
"Hello, is this The Hague? I'd like to make a reservation..."
"I'm sorry, we only take reservations for parties greater than eight."
"That's okay, I have a whole administration coming in."
"The life imprisonment section is all full, but we can take them in the death-by-hanging area."
"Perfect!"
NYMary -- actually, I used to be just Bruce. But I was largely absent for a time, so I felt we needed Yet another Bruce.
On the plus side, we've got a fully-staffed philosophy department for an Australian university. :D
Tena --
Where is EschaCon II going to be (NYMary told me to ask you)
NTodd --
HAW haw! (dumb kid from "The Simpsons" impersonation) -- the Buckeyes are even worse than the Wolverines (& that is satying something -- maybe even the Lion could beat them -- they could take the Browns, though)
Oh, & torture is bad -- just like this regime -- normally I am totally opposed to capital punishment, but for these guys I would be willing to make an exception -- of course they should have a trial before they are executed -- but I assume that the confessions they will be obtained using the methods that they themselves approved should suffice...
fuck
21-19 Michigan
GO BUCKS! Kick those rodents in the nuts!
So much for an enlightened society. And they talk about morals. If this is the way of America, I don't belong here anymore.
I will be TORTURING this little fuck daily.
Do you need a waterboard? I'd be happy to help!
How many of you guys are there? Do you meet for coffee? NYMary
I think you know the answer to that. I'm only surprised Michael Baldwin hasn't shown up. Bruce here teaches classical philosophy, Bruce there teaches Haegelian philosophy, and Bruce here teaches logical positivism. And is also in charge of the sheep dip.
so sad. no better than the people who brought you 9/11. no better. worse.
i have to wrap gauze around my head before it explodes.
First! - but only 47th in today's dollars.
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It's stuff like this that makes me fear the death grip that this administration is going to use to hang on to power. There is too much that they have done that they never want to see the light of day.
Another Bruce
Sometimes, with all the scandals coming out, I feel like they are throwing us a bone, just to keep us feeling secure that the system, in the end will work. So far, nobody has had to pay any price for all the crimes they have committed.
They torture people, language, concepts, institutions anything to save and sell the nightmare plans they've concocted to secure their own wealth and power. They do it out of self-preservation, needing tortured falsehoods to support the lies they spread. Evil people. Truly evil.
crappy title on this post.
why so flip?
It's a direct, descriptive title.
Why so dense?
JeffCO - moind if we call ya Bruce to keep it cleah?
I'm all for marches--went to the 9/24 rally, of course--but they ain't the only weapon in our arsenal.
NTodd, Suffering Fool |
I've been using misc forms of graffiti, as permanent as possible. Stickers with very strong adhesive, epoxy paint through stencils.
Yes, I'm aware that this violates peoples property rights. This doesn't seem to important to me when basic human rights are violated in American's name, until...
I start seeing 10's of millions on the street in protest or calling their congressman, or even better getting in their face.
Zap,
Chin up, buddy. There's more of us than them.
I was about where you are last night: After the shameful budget, then listening to the bullshit debate on the Murtha bill, and knowing that they were just hanging on to their fucking tax cuts until they thought they could get away with it: I wanted to smack the lot of them.
But we'll get it back.
Damn! The announcer quote of the month:
Describing a long, winded, clumsy at the end fumble return by a defensive player:
"If he'd been in a fight with a pregnant mother, he'd have finished third"
WalterNeff! How's your leaky scar?
That's it for me.
The whole torture thing--especially the notion that we should engage in a "reasoned" debate about it--just turns my gut into knots. Why not the pros and cons of genocide? Nuclear stikes--should we just target certain cities, or blanket-bomb an entire country? What's the best time of day to deploy poison gas?
I'm outta here for a while, before bitterness makes me scream.
Goodbye for now.
Bon samedi tout le monde!
Just popping in for a quick read before i go back to my ailling father
have you seen the following?
"Tropical Storm Gamma Could Threaten Fla.
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
MIAMI - Tropical Storm Gamma drifted north along the coasts of Belize and Honduras on Saturday and was likely to turn onto a path that could threaten South Florida this coming week, but it was not expected to gain much strength.
The storm already had caused flooding and landslides in Honduras that killed at least two people and prompted the government to evacuate hundreds from coastal towns.
Gamma, the 24th storm of the busiest hurricane season on record, had top sustained wind near 45 mph, the
National Hurricane Center said in Miami.
Gamma was expected to speed up and turn northeast on Sunday, sending it across the northeastern Caribbean and toward western Cuba, meteorologists said. On that forecast path, Gamma would cross Cuba and approach the Florida Keys island chain on Monday."
Wow, this would normally cause deep feelings of shame and regret.
Good thing for the Bushies that they are evil.
Let's be clear here-- Joe Wingnut in Necktucky or Necklahoma hears about torturing the towelheads and thinks it's just great. When the base of your party is cowardly, emasculated, racist white guys, you can torture all you want and the base will LOVE it. To these pathetic, frightened people, it makes Bush and Cheney look like tough guys.
WalterNeff! How's your leaky scar?
He's the World's Ooziest Man.
They really don't care about the law, about American principles, about anything, do they. It's an almost cartoonish villainy. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if true, this should be the biggest American scandal since...well, there isn't anything approaching this, is there?
Is that an overstatement? Someone tell me how this is not the biggest story of the past thirty years?
Still leaky. I'm on an antibiotic that costs $13 per pill. I'm not posting a lot - I'm prepping for my NZ video podcasts.
GO BUCKS! Kick those rodents in the nuts!
NTodd, Suffering Fool
are you familiar with the Dead Schembechlers?
so funny.
Yes, I'm aware that this violates peoples property rights. This doesn't seem to important to me when basic human rights are violated in American's name, until...
In civil disobedience, it's often recognized that there are "greater harms". That was the basis of the St Pat's Four action in 2003 and Cindy Sheehan's protest in DC last month. So long as you're prepared to do time if caught and convicted, go for it!
2005: tsunami, wars, hurricanes, hurricanes, hurricanes, Pitte and Aniston divorce, and the fall of the Rovian empire. Heavy year
Just to recap. Bush administration needs evidence to support their war. They use torture techniqes designed to extract false confessions to obtain that "evidence," which they then use to sell the war despite knowing full well of the lack of reliability of the information.
Don't forget, also: they feed those stories to the papers, who then print them; and then point to those stories to back up their claims.
Have any of the fine people employed to be trolls mentioned that Mr. Bush has positive poll numbers only in Utah, Idaho and Wyoming?
Perhaps they have unaccountably overlooked this accomplishment.
It is an impressive achievement in uniting the nation.
I'm prepping for my NZ video podcasts.
WalterNeff
and when will that be exactly?
Plum P don't forget earthquake!
But we'll get it back.
Mary, I hope to gosh that you're right. I just feel that there's been too much damage done. The fact that anyone would condone torture, much less, our government, just baffles me to no end.
America has become a brand name. We need to start picketing their corporate headquarters.
are you familiar with the Dead Schembechlers?
so funny.
Oh shit, that's great!
Osama bin Laden wants the United States to convert to Islam, ditch its constitution, abolish banks, jail homosexuals, bar women from appearing in the press and sign the Kyoto climate change treaty.
Gotta love Osama.
there is no such thing as American-led torture. We've used new ways of interrogation which are perfectly legal
I don't think there is any amount of LSD a person could take that would induce the kind of hallucinations Fred Eper seems to enjoy on a daily basis.
Interesting...
Palov's dogs...conditioned response.
On one hand my right brain is rebelling that any info gathered would be suspect, but my left brain argues back that while suspect, it does fit perfectly into the puzzle.
While the right brain can easily see where the info is leading, unfortunately, the left brain is more apt to win the verbal combat. It knows that the table is set for a specific purpose and the proper place settings are necessary.
Problem is...what's on the menu?
regards
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don't forget earthquake!
Moonbootica
i did, how awful of me.
Yeah, but...but...the Democrats STILL had the same intelligence the Administration had!
More and more, "intelligence" is becoming a debased term.
Don't forget, also: they feed those stories to the papers, who then print them; and then point to those stories to back up their claims.
pseudonymous in nc
Someone pointed out last week that this is exactly the same process that Reggie Dunlop (Paul Newman) uses in Slapshot with his local sports reporter, Dickie Dunn.
"Dickie Dunn said that! It must be true!"
NYMary --
See, Tena never answers me -- to trolls she talks, but not to me
NZ Video Podcasts - daily from December 8 thru Christmas Eve and available for free on iTunes.
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shawk, thanks for reminding this Utahn of my shame...
I've found two possible answers:
1. Your typical Utahn is fundamentally evil.
2. Your typical Utahn is such an innocent that he can't imagine his elected leaders are really that evil.
The jury's still out on which one it is.
I peddled the Iraq/al qaeda conspiracy, but it was Bush's fault.
I don't think there is any amount of LSD a person could take that would induce the kind of hallucinations Fred Eper seems to enjoy on a daily basis.
I'd be willing to experiment. Just don't make me listen to Saucerful of Secrets for the duration of the study...
So long as you're prepared to do time if caught and convicted, go for it!
Mind if I burn down the jail houses if I'm imprisoned? (I know about multiple forms of thermite. Amazing what that will burn or melt. Also amazing that the wikipedia only seems to know about the aluminum-Iron oxide kind.)
I don't think there is any amount of LSD a person could take that would induce the kind of hallucinations Fred Eper seems to enjoy on a daily basis.
I shudder to think what kind of drugs *would* be required.
I peddled the Iraq/al qaeda conspiracy, but it was Bush's fault.
Richard Clark
I don't remember your going on TV and saying Bush should invade because of any connection. Odd, that.
I don't think there is any amount of LSD a person could take that would induce the kind of hallucinations Fred Eper seems to enjoy on a daily basis.
JK47
Don't tell WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar.
Prior A,
I suspect she's in and out. Did you try an email?
Mind if I burn down the jail houses if I'm imprisoned?
Much like it is a POW's duty to attempt escape, thus requiring the enemy to expend resources, I would support that. Just don't kill anybody.
Prior Aelred - As far as I know now, EschaconII is going to be in Chicago.
I don't know when.
SallyH or someone was going to check into the web site that NYMary and Chi-Dyke and Vicki put up for EschaCon I, to see if we could just take it over for II. I haven't heard anything about that.
I don't remember your going on TV and saying Bush should invade because of any connection. Odd, that.
NTodd, Suffering Fool
No, I just pushed the notion that Iraq and al qaeda were in league together.
Someone pointed out last week that this is exactly the same process that Reggie Dunlop (Paul Newman) uses in Slapshot with his local sports reporter, Dickie Dunn.
But most people know which sports reporters are mouthpieces for their local teams. And care. Alas.
Osama bin Laden wants the United States to convert to Islam, ditch its constitution, abolish banks, jail homosexuals, bar women from appearing in the press and sign the Kyoto climate change treaty.
I had no idea part of al Qaeda's mission was implimentation of a sound ecological policy. Learn something knew everyday. As for the rest of it, tell him to kiss my country ass. The hell he think he is. Never have quite groked the concept that if we're not in Iraq blowing up people who had fuck-all to do with 9/11 or al Qaeda (before the U.S. invasion, anyway), then we might as well just surrender to Osama and his boys. You think this country is gonna give up its "Dangerous Housewives" and college football just because some doofus in the Middle East says so, you've been drinking some bad buttermilk.
And to think it's liberals who're supposed to have a low opinion concerning the testicular fortitude of the average American.
Tena,
No one told me that. I took the site down, but it's easy enough to get free blogger space to put up another.
the obvious lie "we do not torture" was swallowed pretty effortlessly.
Fact: Ruppert/Eper is paid by the post, and by the number of responses.
No, I just pushed the notion that Iraq and al qaeda were in league together.
Well, turns out that was wrong anyway. Funny how that works out.
Osama bin Laden wants the United States to convert to Islam, ditch its constitution, abolish banks, jail homosexuals, bar women from appearing in the press and sign the Kyoto climate change treaty.
Apart from "convert to Islam" and "sign the Kyoto treaty," that sounds an awful lot like Pat Robertson's plan for America.
WalterNeff 2.0/Extra Handsome™ EditionNow with Ooze™. Looks great and now tastes great, too.
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A better torture technique would be to give the terrorist 3 hits of acid and force them to watch "The Wall" for 3 days straight.
Well, turns out that was wrong anyway. Funny how that works out.
Matt T.
Yet, I peddled that lie.
Hey Tena ~
We can help you with blogger for EschaCon II.
In fact, NYMary and I were talking about this the other day, and I'd be happy to help in any possible, up to and including securing hotel rooms at a (non) union hotel!!!!!!!!!
(Just cracking myself up there. :lol
But seriously, happy to help in any way. I'm just a couple of hours from Chicago, too.
the obvious lie "we do not torture" was swallowed pretty effortlessly.
gary in fl
Well, in the sense that everyone in the country didn't throw up their hands in unison and say "That's it! We can't take anymore!", yeah.
But that never happens, and never will. This is reality, not a Perry Mason episode where the bad guy confesses and we know "whodunnit!"
In the sense that the WSJ was reporting Bush's approval rating was down to 35% in their last poll, no, it didn't go down all that smoothly.
Your Red State Values at work.
Wanna bet these are mostly white people?
No, I just pushed the notion that Iraq and al qaeda were in league together.
Well, that depends on your definition of 'push', really. And it still doesn't justify Bush's since debunked claims. Oh, and did you forget how to spell your name? Odd, that.
the obvious lie "we do not torture" was swallowed pretty effortlessly.
By whom?
The sticker method is pretty safe, if you do this quickly. You can easily get printable bumper stickers with evil adhesive, that you can print with either ink jets or laser printers. (I know about the ID being put on prints these days, and only pay case for the printers. If the store asks me for a name I just tell them I'm Fred Eper.)
More and more, "intelligence" is becoming a debased term.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
Yah, kind of like "terrorism" is, and "torture." I mean, what hasn't been debased by these people?
Demons right out of some medieval hell couldn't abase everything in sight any more thoroughly than the Junta and the Repugs in general have done. Our language may never recover. Everything's terrorism, everything's a war, everything's backwards.
Speaking of being flip about torture:
Did I imagine seeing a photo of Dubya pardoning a Thanksgiving turkey clad in Abu Ghraib prisoner paraphernalia?
If I did, I encourage our expert Photoshoppers® to get right on it.
Yet, I peddled that lie.
No, you expressed a concern. 'Peddled' connotes a consistent attempt to convince people of that claim, and in your context, with the goal of justifying Bush's clusterfuck. Yet Bush never once mentioned Clarke's "peddling". Odd, that.
WalterNeff 2.0/Extra Handsome™ EditionNow with Ooze™. Looks great and now tastes great, too.
Ick.
Just when you think these fucks can't possibly be any more malevolent, the bar is lowered again.
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While I understand this topic, what I don't understand is how morally bankrupt these folks are. I just can't comprehend....
They use torture techniqes designed to extract false confessions to obtain that "evidence," which they then use to sell the war despite knowing full well of the lack of reliability of the information.
why on earth they think this is acceptable behavior. Words fail me.
I peddled the Iraq/al qaeda conspiracy, but it was Bush's fault.
I'm grasping at straws because the president I wish I could blow has proven to be a corrupt liar.
Yet, I peddled that lie.
I'm not real sure what your point is here, Mr. Troll. I mean, I seriously doubt it was as you say it was, mainly because if it was, you'd have a better way of proving your point apart from pretending you're Richard Clark. Number two, it's still a lie the Bush administration pushed to go to war in Iraq, and when it all comes down, that's who was calling the shots, not Clark, right? I mean, wasn't he pretty much persona non grata with the Bush Worshipers back in them days?
So, either way, it doesn't make it less a bold-faced lie, no matter who says it.
There was a big story in my local Montreal newspaper La Presse about findings that the CIA was transiting through a special secret base in Canada with alledged terrorists from the middle east.
That would make canadians very very very mad. We've never wanted to be part of that fucking war from the start. So if our gov. didn't tell us that they let the CIA used our soil to do bad things (torture)
...a minority gov. who propably will loose power next week in Parlement leading to an election just after the holidays...now we would be quite angry. And when we get angry...check hockey games, we can be violent too you know!
There was a big story in my local Montreal newspaper La Presse about findings that the CIA was transiting through a special secret base in Canada with alledged terrorists from the middle east.
That would make canadians very very very mad. We've never wanted to be part of that fucking war from the start. So if our gov. didn't tell us that they let the CIA used our soil to do bad things (torture)
...a minority gov. who propably will loose power next week in Parlement leading to an election just after the holidays...now we would be quite angry. And when we get angry...check hockey games, we can be violent too you know!
Fact: Ruppert/Eper is paid by the post, and by the number of responses.
So am I!
NTodd -- it is odd how the ReThugs suddenly feel this strong desire to share "credit" for their Glorious War, no?
I advised the government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection. But, it was Bush's fault.
There was a big story in my local Montreal newspaper La Presse about findings that the CIA was transiting through a special secret base in Canada with alledged terrorists from the middle east.
That would make canadians very very very mad.
Aren't the Italians investigation the same thing?
"By whom?"
dem leaders, for example.
George W. Bush: "We do not torture."
Tell that to anyone who has to listen to your "speeches", fuckwad.
BESIDES those hand-picked audiences, that is!
check hockey games, we can be violent too you know!
Deploy Stu Grimson!
I advised the government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection. But, it was Bush's fault.
Richard Clarke
Funny how your book says it's a bullshit line being peddled by Laurie Mylroie.
http://www.rollingstone.com/poli...ry/_/id/
8798997
Here are three excerpts from Bamford’s piece that show how Rendon’s media manipulation works. First, his company trolls internet forums. Second, they plant false information on the internet and in other media. Third, they monitor stories before they reach the internet, so that they may be neutralized before and as they are actually posted:
The company was contracted to monitor Internet chat rooms in both English and Arabic -- and "participate in these chat rooms when/if tasked."
According to a secret Pentagon report personally approved by Rumsfeld in October 2003 and obtained by Rolling Stone, the Strategic Command is authorized to engage in "military deception" -- defined as "presenting false information, images or statements." The seventy-four-page document, titled "Information Operations Roadmap," also calls for psychological operations to be launched over radio, television, cell phones and "emerging technologies" such as the Internet. In addition to being classified secret, the road map is also stamped noforn, meaning it cannot be shared even with our allies.
A key weapon, according to the documents, was Rendon's "proprietary state-of-the-art news-wire collection system called 'Livewire,' which takes real-time news-wire reports, as they are filed, before they are on the Internet, before CNN can read them on the air and twenty-four hours before they appear in the morning newspapers, and sorts them by keyword. The system provides the most current real-time access to news and information available to private or public organizations."
Funny thing is that the tr00lz actually do have weird aspects in their lives.
Touchdown Vanderbilt!!!
I advised the government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection. But, it was Bush's fault.
Which administration, Dicky?
NTodd -- it is odd how the ReThugs suddenly feel this strong desire to share "credit" for their Glorious War, no?
A corollary to "victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan"?
NYMary --
As you can see -- Tena has contacted me (on two threads!) -- Chicago sounds great
Tena --
Are you planning on coming this time?
What was this thread about? Oh yeah, Michigan beating Ohio State, wasn't it? (NTodd, is that torture?)
Wolverines in big trouble. What a catch!
I advised the government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection. But, it was Bush's fault.
Richard Clarke | 11.19.05 - 4:15 pm | #
So, you're saying if Clarke had never expressed a concern that there might be a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda - which was investigated and proved false, even though the Bush administration went ahead and used it as an excuse - the administration would have never invaded Iraq? Had no idea a former intelligence official had that much power, especially one that was roundly vilified by the right for daring to contradict the All-Father Bush.
But Bush is never, ever responsible, is he? Good gravy, for a guy who's supposed to be "enormously popular" and have a "mandate", the guy's a pretty weak sister, isn't he?
Our language may never recover. Everything's terrorism, everything's a war, everything's backwards.
Tena
It used to be that if someone told me that the cat was black, I'd have an understanding that the feline was dark as coal.
Now, because of what they have done with language, I'm not sure of what kind of cat (hep cat? pussy? tiger? beat? automobile?) and what kind of black...
You can't trust that you are able to understand what they mean. The distortions have taken discourse to an all time low.
maybe the detainees should be forced to watch endless repeats of The Situation Room......
For the love of God, don't settle for the field goal...
this so sucks.
Vicki - thanks. Someone I guess needs to start putting this together in real terms instead of just talking about it.
I have not even ever been to Chicago, so I'm delighted to have all the help I can get. I know nothing about Chicago.
I wish I could remember who else was talking about being involved in the organizing, but I can't.
I'm not in charge. I will share responsibility, gladly. But I'm not in charge.
nice sniglett you made there.
Bush, weak sister!
I want George Bush executed for his war crimes and I want our troops, who have killed over 300,000 innocent civilians and tortured many others, to get the fuck out of Iraq.
I also want to express my profound admiration for Democrats who voted against a non-binding resolution that would have removed our troops from Iraq immediately. The fact that they did this on principle inspires me.
Wolverines in big trouble. What a catch!
attaturk
Nooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh!
CHICAGO!!??? This is an outrage.
A Democratic candidate for President could say:
War crimes prior to date of his public statement (say 1/1/06): Truth & Reconciliation Commission. The deal: keep war criminals out of the Hague in return for their admission of guilt.
War crimes after the date of his statement: turn over to the Hague.
Aw shit no!
"By whom?"
dem leaders, for example.
Which ones? Citations, Gary. C'mon, you can do it. You're not a troll, are you? Attaboy!
Prior - I'm determined to be in attendance at EschaConII - which is why I have begged and pleaded with everyone not to schedule it in June. I'm going to be in Italy then.
Seven seconds eleven yards. Go defense!
I also want to express my profound admiration for Democrats who voted against a non-binding resolution that would have removed our troops from Iraq immediately.
How would a non-binding resolution - why is basically a way for Congress to say "yeah, we like this" without actually having to do anything - got the troops out of Iraq immediately? Did the rules change and I didn't get the memo?
JeffCO
C'mon, everyone sing!
EEEEEEEmanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the table,
David Hume could outconsume Schopenhauer and Hegel
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel . . .
But Bush is never, ever responsible, is he? Good gravy, for a guy who's supposed to be "enormously popular" and have a "mandate", the guy's a pretty weak sister, isn't he?
Matt T.
I never pushed the Iraq/al qaeda connection, did I?
Must be a fake Prior Aelred on the thread. This one is clearly EEEEEEEVIL!
25-21 osucks
24 seconds left. I hate you Lloyd Carr!!!!!!
Vandy wins!
You know what, folks? Talking to a troll is like (as Minor Threat said) screaming at a wall.
Or, as Utah Phillips said (paraphrase),
"Republicans are like refrigerators...You open the door, the light goes on. Close it, the light goes off. It's not going to do anything that it's not programmed to do."
Don't bother.
this ought to be absolute bombshell impeachment-making news, but somehow I suspect it will just get forgotten in the flood of numbing revelations
Ha!
Prior - I'm determined to be in attendance at EschaConII - which is why I have begged and pleaded with everyone not to schedule it in June. I'm going to be in Italy then.
Tena
I will make it as well. Especially if it is in Chi-town.
Aren't the Italians investigation the same thing?
NTodd
i'm not familiar enough with the Italian situation. But in Italy the president was part of Bush's coalition. Canada said a strong no to the war. We'd go bonkers (as the brits say) if american torture was done on Canada's soil. It would be ugly.
http://www.rollingstone.com/poli...ry/_/id/
8798997
This article shows how the Rendon Group were not only authorized to operate in Iraq before the war, and given multimillion dollar contracts to manifpulate the press and plant disinformation, but were given access to the highest levels of US government intelligence.
I never pushed the Iraq/al qaeda connection, did I?
Does it change the fact that, in the end, it was both a lie and the administration's decision, not Clarke's. I'm still not sure what you're pushing here, Mr. Troll. I personally don't care if Clarke said there was a connection - which he didn't, not like you're saying he did, but I doubt you'll let something like the truth stop you - it was still a lie the administration told the American people was the truth.
Do you dispute that?
Demons right out of some medieval hell couldn't abase everything in sight any more thoroughly than the Junta and the Repugs in general have done. Our language may never recover. Everything's terrorism, everything's a war, everything's backwards.
Tena
Interestingly: Dante's iconic vision of hell attributes nothing to demonic action, and everything to the choices made the souls in Inferno.
It's always about responsibility, which may be why our leaders fear responsibility so very much. Easier to say "We do not torture" and argue about responsibility for a lie or "faulty intelligence as to whether or not we do torture," or even over the meaning of the word "torture," than to take responsibility for presiding over the debasement of the standing of this nation in the world and in our own eyes.
As I said elsewhere, this Administration would shame a congress of whores.
And Virginia, we all know how American beer is like making love in a canoe, right?
Reconciliation Commission
Only if it's a real one. With ommisions being punished to the full letter of the law + some additional onerous punishment for the perjury.
todd, has any big name dem pointed out the blatant lie "we do not torture"?
Tena, I'll definitely take part. Now that I know what I'm doing and how loyal Eschatonians about making it all come together. And, if we should need advice, I am 100% certain that darling goddess NYMary will be willing to help in that area. But with a new baby and everything else going on in her life, I sure wouldn't expect her to do anything other than sit back and enjoy. My kid's damned near grown, I need things to do, so I'm in. I'll e-mail in a few days about it (after my e-mail gets straightened around).
How would a non-binding resolution - why is basically a way for Congress to say "yeah, we like this" without actually having to do anything - got the troops out of Iraq immediately? Did the rules change and I didn't get the memo?
Matt T.
My apologies. I am inspired by the way Democrats stood on principle and voted against a non-binding resolution that, if it were binding, would have removed our troops from Iraq.
I once voted against a non-binding resolution that would have ended slavery, because it was non-binding and I really did want to end slavery. Just on principle.
25-21 osucks
24 seconds left. I hate you Lloyd Carr!!!!!!
THERE IS A GOD, AND SHE'S A BUCKS FAN!
I have not even ever been to Chicago, so I'm delighted to have all the help I can get. I know nothing about Chicago.
All I remember from living one year there: cold as hell.
And that was the swimming pool. In August.
NTodd --
Actually, I hate professional sports -- especially at the collegiate level -- since I attended Miami University (the GOOD state school in Ohio) I have no use for Ohio State -- also, I have know lived most of my life in Michigan (althouhg closer to Notre Dame -- whose fans are much more like Ohio State fans -- at least this year they have a good team -- still gets tiresome)
BTW, I'm not straight edged.
XXX
Harvard-Yale OT, btw.
George Packer, The Assassin's Gate: America in Iraq, is on c-span2/BookTV, from earlier today.
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Yet another Bruce
Oh, YEAH.
Does it change the fact that, in the end, it was both a lie and the administration's decision, not Clarke's.
Look, I pushed that lie and would like some credit for it!
"By whom?"
"dem leaders, for example."
Ruppert, first, this is wrong - name a "Dem leader" who believes a word you people say about your torturing?
Second, aren't you really saying that Dems were fools to have trusted Bush? And if so, what does that make trolls, who after all the evidence is in, still trust the violent weirdo?
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Actually, I hate professional sports -- especially at the collegiate level
CHICAGO!!??? This is an outrage.
Well, I agree... the West Coast is locked out again.
Of course, you'll be in New Zealand at that point...
Starve a troll.
Harvard-Yale OT, btw.
It's purely academic, as they say.
Particularly since Brown won the Ivy outright today! W00t!
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Harvard-Yale OT, btw.
pseudonymous in nc
Can't Muffy & Jeff just drop their pretense and compare endowments?
I, for one, love Chicago. I live 8 hours from it (by car or train).
But I only know downtown, and that Japanese mall out in Arlington Heights.
I could help, but I could only point you towards Marshall Field's and Union Station.
Oh, and the plaque where daylight savings time was first observed for the central time zone. That's some good shit.
THERE IS A GOD, AND SHE'S A BUCKS FAN!
NTodd, Suffering Fool
Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
The Big House will be in tears.
Michigan is a GREAT place to see a game!
I remember when my sister graduated from there back in the 80s (I think it was the 80s), and Jeane Kirkpatric was the keynote speaker. Whooo Boy! Protesters all over the place chanting nasty things in Michigan Stadium.
I loved it.
So what is the date for Eschacon II?
I know this is off-topic but... For anyone who's interested, I have C-SPAN's transcript of last night dead-catting and mudslinging in the House last night up on my blog.
I'm humming Tom Lehrer's "Fight Fiercely Harvard"...
NTodd--
If that's the best the Bucks can do, they must really suck -- everyone's been humiliating the Wolverines this year
Halfdan--
I posted a link for you a couple threads downs about religious orders in the Episciopal Church
Tina,
"I'm going to be in Italy then."
Where?...I may be relocated near Venice by March or April.
regards
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Jesus Christ, this is re-goddamn-diculous. Do the Bush Worshippers ever say anything with substance or do they just play semantic gotcha games? One guy keeps repeating a lie that, even if it was true, means the Bush Administration out-and-out lied to go to war, and another...fuck, I don't know that guy's problem with concerning last night's political bread & circuses act. I got no love for the corporate-friendly national Democratic Party, but here's prime examples of why I couldn't vote for the GOP if my life depended on it. They don't say anything and they don't really stand for anything apart from "getting one over on the liberals".
Christ, if either of you little toads had testicle one, you'd be making your own statements and trying to convince people why your way of thinking should be considered. But you can't and you don't, so you do neither. Fucking rediculous.
todd, has any big name dem pointed out the blatant lie "we do not torture"?
You're turning the question around. Which Dems swallowed the story? That would imply they said, "Gosh, I believe the administration when they say..." Using the "not denouncing sufficiently" standard is fucking pathetic.
They are doing what they must do: voting for McCain's anti-torture resolution, coming out with reasonable withdrawal plans, etc. Denouncing Bush's statement only feeds into the "he said-she said" crap the media plies.
Think strategically. And again, if you really want the Dems to succeed, tell me what you've done to convince them to do so, beyond bitching here without anything to back up your assertions?
Halfdan--
I posted a link for you a couple threads downs about religious orders in the Episciopal Church
Ah thanks--I'll dig it up!
Even the people who claim that the ends justify the means w/ regard to torture--even they have to wake up.
Marie Antoinette
Nahhhhhh. Some people will never get it.
Starve a troll.
Feed a fever?
Now, I'm so grumpy that I think I need to take a walk. Today it will be along the river. I will probobly have some picts later, if anyone wants to see them.
Hey Dave, I'd be all for helping to plan an EschaCon 2.5 or 3.0 in San Francisco!
You know I have a soft spot in my heart for Babylon by the Bay!
We could hire McCalls to do the catering, and there's a certain catering manager there who owes me big favors...
Over on ESPN the Spartans are playing in green unitards.
Second, aren't you really saying that Dems were fools to have trusted Bush? And if so, what does that make trolls, who after all the evidence is in, still trust the violent weirdo?
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TelltaleHeart | 11.19.05 - 4:28 pm | #
i'll have what telltale's drinking
Don't waste your time, Matt T.
This character has literally trolled the same would-be scathing observation all day; it's impervious to argument or correction.
It's like George Costanza thinking that, "Yeah, well the Jerk Store called, and they're running out of you!" is the ultimate, foolproof Snappy Comeback.
Its troll friends tried to tell it that the line wasn't all that great, and even suggested improvements. But no, that just made it madder and more determined to try the line until it got satisfaction.
That was hours ago.
Just don't make me listen to Saucerful of Secrets for the duration of the study...
What have you got against Saucerful of Secrets? It's a great album.
Oh, and Fred Ruppert, doesn't it bother you just a teeny little bit that those "new ways of interrogation" led to false information which the Bush gang went ahead and used anyway? Not exactly ethical, is it?
Vicki - sounds good. I thing January is the time to really get the thing up and running - unless someone says that's too late.
Next week is Thanksgiving, then Christmas is smack up against that.
You know how it gets. However, we might be able to put together an EschaCon II blog before January. I'll wait to hear from you. And thanks again, Vicki. Your experience with EschaCon I will be invaluable.
I attended Miami University (the GOOD state school in Ohio)
I know Miami! Many of my friends went there. And growing up near Toledo, I'm quite familiar with the MAC...
"So what is the date for Eschacon II?
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 4:30 pm | #"
I'm pretty sure it's sometime in June...
You can't trust that you are able to understand what they mean. The distortions have taken discourse to an all time low.
Vicki
That's what Clinton was talking about. He said used to be, when debating, there was an accepted core knowledge by which you would frame your argument. For instance, N.I.H. has done studies that there is no relationship between breast cancer and abortion. This truth is based on a multi-year study, involving thousands of women. The wingnuts will trot out some study conducted by an anti-choice wingnut, and base their argument on that. By the time you get to correct the record, the damage is done. Everybody believes there might be a connection.(Last part was mine)
Newsweek reported that Rendon was responsible for “a rumor campaign after the gulf war to convince Iraqis that Saddam is sexually impotent."
Former CIA officer James Bamford explains how Rendon and the Administration also promoted al-Haideri’s disinformation about WMD to Judy Miller and another reporter on their payroll:
http://www.rollingstone.com/poli...ry/_/id/
8798997
I dunno, Ridnik -- maybe it's a new theory of ethics: The use of evil means is absolved if nothing is achieved thereby :D
What have you got against Saucerful of Secrets? It's a great album.
I have nothing against it. I just fear that hearing Set the Controls for
the Heart of the Sun whilst dropping copious amounts of acid in a scientific experiment might make me end up like a certain bandmember...
Did Bill Clinton expose himself to Paula Jones and is that sexual harassment?
I think next Sept I'll just gouge my eyeballs out and stab myself in the stomach multiple times before Lloyd Carr and his merry band of chokers have a chance to do it to me.
Over on ESPN the Spartans are playing in green unitards.
and now my other school looks like a bunch of string beans running around. just great...
Routine housekeeping traffic at Patrick Fitzgerald's site? Or tea leaves?
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/
os...d_affidavit.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/
os...e_order_obj.pdf
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"So what is the date for Eschacon II?
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 4:30 pm | #"
I'm pretty sure it's sometime in June...
Prior Aelred
Oh, June is no good, I'll be ransacking Tena's house then.
unless someone says that's too late.
We didn't start planning I until February or something, so it should be fine.
I attended Miami University (the GOOD state school in Ohio)
Whereas I attended the University of Miami, which is really only a good school if you're a massive football player or a James Joyce scholar....
i'm not sure the ancient Spartans would be too happy with their name being associated with green unitards 
I posted a link for you a couple threads downs about religious orders in the Episciopal Church...
Of course, Order #1 is: Thou shalt not put too much vermouth in thy martini!
if i had the fiances i would so go to Eschacon II!
and now my other school looks like a bunch of string beans running around. just great...
Sean
Sigh.
Well, in all fairness, they are the agriculture school here.
This really ought to be a bombshell - if this isn't an impeachable offense, I don't know what is, if it can be proved that the Junta knew. I know they did - it's just whether it can be proved.
Don't give up yet, Batsies, things move more slowly than any of us would like, but it's all moving in the right direction now.
We've waited a long time for Fitzmas, but it could end up being really wonderful, by the time this 2d GJ has heard evidence.
And this revelation may spark something.
Did Bill Clinton expose himself to Paula Jones and is that sexual harassment?
Wow, I love oldies stations!
We could shoot for Fourth of July week. Most people should be able to get vacation then...
if i had the fiances i would so go to Eschacon II!
If I had the fiances, I'd be getting laid at EschaCon II!
(Just teasing you, sweetie!)
Well, in all fairness, they are the agriculture school here.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 4:37 pm |
overrated. much better weed in Ann Arbor.
If I had the fiances, I'd be getting laid at EschaCon II!
You'd need more than one?
Whereas I attended the University of Miami, which is really only a good school if you're a massive football player or a James Joyce scholar....
NYMary
Whereas I attended the University of Miami, which is really only a good school if you're a massive football player or a James Joyce scholar....
Does 'massive' modify both 'football player' and 'James Joyce scholar'? Or would 'loutish' be implied?
Did Bill Clinton expose himself to Paula Jones and is that sexual harassment?
What's the difference between 'ignorance' and 'apathy'?
Why is welfare losing political popularity?
...increased labor force participation of middle-class women was part of the cause [of falling popularity]. That transformation really changed the attitude of voters. Once a large percentage of middle-class women were working and putting their children into day care, the public began to question why we shouldn't expect the same thing from poor women. There was no longer the support for paying women to stay at home with their children, which was the goal of the original legislation in 1935.
Try again...
Whereas I attended the University of Miami, which is really only a good school if you're a massive football player or a James Joyce scholar....
NYMary
Two conditions that often appear alike.
He said wryly.....
Vicki lol kind of inbetween drinking a pinot noir and watching a DVD Stander.
And this revelation may spark something.
Tena
Private Jonah said its a nothing burger though.
So I'm feeling pretty good about it.
if i had the fiances i would so go to Eschacon II!
Multiple fiances? That's so European!
I'm convinced now that Richard Clarke should be impeached.
dem leaders, for example.
Really?
If I had the fiances, I'd be getting laid at EschaCon II!
You'd need more than one?
One will work, for starters!
Does 'massive' modify both 'football player' and 'James Joyce scholar'? Or would 'loutish' be implied?
Well, really only the "football player," but point taken.
Thers isn't even close to the most loutish guy I ever went out with--but then I grew up in a small town.
Goddammit! Whenever an "eneny combatant" is captured, there's a chance he/she may have knowledge of an "imminent attack". We have never accepted that rationalization from our enemies. The SS torturing Maqui? VC torturing John McCain? Of course not. We have always been able to say that "those people" torture. I don't want Americans to be counted among "those people", even if the information was correct every now and again. I'm an American. We don't condone torture, for any reason.
Where?...I may be relocated near Venice by March or April.
regards
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Moad-Dib
I don't know about living there, but Venezia is one of my all time favorite cities. We lived in Milano for almost four years, and visited Venezia at least a couple times each year. Until we had our first daughter.
Little Brother,
I just don't understand the point of either. Again, Clarke did say at one point that a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda was a possibility, but it was obviously a possibility that was never acted upon by either party. Furthermore, he's since said he was wrong about that (which is, of course, something you'll never see the Bush Faithful admit). Either way, big deal. The question was there, it was investigated and shown to be false, but the Bush Administration repeatedly told that particular lie, and they have a lot more clout as to who we bomb than Clarke does.
As for last night, again, if it was worth worrying about, it wouldn't have been a poorly worded, badly thought-out non-binding resolution and, for a change, our elected represenatives would've actually accomplished something that benefitted Americans rather than just those who can support the $1,000 plate luncheons. Frankly, had the resolution passed or even scored a large number of Democratic votes, the Bush Faithful would be caterwauling that they'd "voted against the troops and freedom and God and puppies and Lee Greenwood" or some such rot. It and this is semantic gotcha games and is completely, utterly meaningless.
And both completely ignore the huge shift in public opinion amongst non-political junkies concerning the Mother Of All Blunders. If they're trying to get folks to change their minds on the war, they're doing a pretty piss-poor job of it, I must say.
attaturk - Hee hee! Say hi to Mr. Tena for me while you are ransacking. I'm not taking him to Italy with me.
Actually, I was invited to join a group trip. Since the price was right, I said "yes."
I never pushed the Iraq/al qaeda connection, did I?
No, you didn't. You did, however, speculate that it was possible that if the heat got turned up in Afghanistan, that Osama (who?) might seek refuge in Baghdad.
I hope this clears up your clearly faultering memory of events.
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Prior A--do you have to "believe" or can you just go in for the Evensong stuff and the vestments?
When I was younger I read Seven Storey Mountain and wanted to be a monk but couldn't find it in my heart to lie about my faith.
just sayin,
I thought you people hated women in the workforce? Aren't you the ones who tout the studies saying daycare is bad for kids, etc.? Christ, a little ideological consistency, please.
Oh, and the cheese-making. Can you go in just for the cheese-making and the wine-making?
Thers isn't even close to the most loutish guy I ever went out with
Oh my! Are you trying to titrate down to a non-lout, by any chance?
I just don't understand the point of either. Again, Clarke did say at one point that a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda was a possibility, but it was obviously a possibility that was never acted upon by either party.
Yes, it was obvious, that's why I advised the government that there was a connection.
NTodd --
For three years at Miami I lived across the parking lot from the stadium -- never attended a single football game
This is a true story.
I am trapped in a small bookstore with a woman (customer) with two small children, one clearly in diapers, because he needs to be changed.
And has so needed for almost an hour now.
I have a bad head cold. And I can still smell the kid.
She's been talking about leaving for 45 minutes. Yet she keeps browsing.
I've done something seriously wrong and pissed God off. I was home alone last night (lovely wife and child on Girl Scout campout), but I went to bed early and didn't even touch myself.
So it must have been something unconscious.
*finances
Oh, and the cheese-making. Can you go in just for the cheese-making and the wine-making?
Don't forget the brandy!
I'd be all for helping to plan an EschaCon 2.5 or 3.0 in San Francisco!
So that would be 2007?
That scares me...
You did, however, speculate that it was possible that if the heat got turned up in Afghanistan, that Osama (who?) might seek refuge in Baghdad.
Frankly, I think OBL would've more likely gone to Spain. Nicer climate, and ETA prolly would love showing him around the joint.
"Just to recap. Bush administration needs evidence to support their war."
Yes. And so far all that Atrios and the MSM have deemed fit to examine, to the point of claiming it was the only reason, is WMDs.
"They use torture techniqes designed to extract false confessions to obtain that "evidence," which they then use to sell the war despite knowing full well of the lack of reliability of the information."
What methods of torture were used on Ibn al Shaykh al Libbi again Atrios? And why did you see fit to use this single instance to describe this conduct as systematic for the entire US military. So much so you compared the US military to those of Hitler and Stalin?
And make sure to include the fake Koran flushing accusation in your list.
just sayin | 11.19.05 - 4:40 pm | #
As a matter of cuiosity, what's the source for that cut-and-paste job? I'm not disputing it nor am I validating; I'm just curious where it comes from and what's used to back it up.
If Chicago falls through, may I suggest Pillager, Minnesota? It's got a cool name, and my sister lives there (I'll be going there for tanksgiving).
No, you didn't. You did, however, speculate that it was possible that if the heat got turned up in Afghanistan, that Osama (who?) might seek refuge in Baghdad.
And I did this because Baghdad is not in Iraq, thus, no connection.
They were torturing Libi for freedom.
So they would have their excuse to go off and liberate Iraq, which involved bombing and killing a bunch of them and then torturing a lot of the survivors, but this was all done for freedom. So you cant criticize.
NYMary - Oh shit.
I have huge obligations for the Fourth of July. I can't do that. I have to be in Lake City to help the Friends of the Library with our book sale. It's the single biggest money maker we do. It's a big deal.
So it must have been something unconscious.
You were *thinking* about driving to the 24 hour grocery store, buying a cheesecake,a nd eating yourself, weren't you?
Just imagine the state of the poor kid's ass. He'll start screaming any second.
NTodd --
For three years at Miami I lived across the parking lot from the stadium -- never attended a single football game
Prior Aelred
I've been there Prior, beautiful campus. My best friend was a Prof there (someplace else now).
Don't women outnumber men at Miami like 2 to 1 or something?
Yes, it was obvious, that's why I advised the government that there was a connection.
I'm curious, Dick, if you could point me to some documentation of what exactly you "peddled". TIA.
I've done something seriously wrong and pissed God off. I was home alone last night (lovely wife and child on Girl Scout campout), but I went to bed early and didn't even touch myself.
That was the funniest post of the day! You haven't displeased God...did you pray sufficiently yesterday evening?
Yes, it was obvious, that's why--
"Mr. Rove, they're not buying it. Can you give me a new scri-- hey! Where'd Mr. Rove go?"
Are you trying to titrate down to a non-lout, by any chance?
Oh, I don't think so.
back on topic for a sec-
"we do not torture"- a plain, obvious, proveable, crystal lie.
where's hillary, joe &joe, schumer, lurch, howie?
They were torturing Libi for freedom.
Everyone knows that Freedom Tickling [™ Jon Stewart] leads directly to Peeance™.
NYMary - Oh shit.
I have huge obligations for the Fourth of July. I can't do that. I have to be in Lake City to help the Friends of the Library with our book sale. It's the single biggest money maker we do. It's a big deal.
Tena
Will Mr. Tena be with you then, because I can reschedule.
Hey, Cog, thanks for 2006 and 2008.
Hey Cog,
Guess what? I didn't read your post!
Ha ha ha! Fool.
or "subconscious."
Like I said, I have a bad cold.
Yes. And so far all that A--
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zzzzzzz...
Cog,
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that there WMD's reason was valid? Are you saying the other reason's put up at the time (there weren't many others, really, as most of 'em either had to do with a connection al Qaeda or the apparently phantom WMD's) were valid and we're just not hearing about them? Are you also saying there's not been examples of U.S. officials using methods we'd consider "torture" if they were used against U.S. troops? Or are you saying, either way, torture is okay?
Michigan sucks donkey dick....bwahahaha!
Are you trying to titrate down to a non-lout, by any chance?
Oh, I don't think so.
Shit.
You were *thinking* about driving to the 24 hour grocery store, buying a cheesecake,a nd eating yourself, weren't you?
I *meant* eating the whole cheesecake yourself. But I didn't see the typo or realize how it could be misconstrued by this crowd.....
"We don't torture people. But when we do, it's ok, because there are some torture techniques we don't use. And it's necessary to do, even though we know it doesn't give us useful information. But we don't do it. And those people that do it are all bad eggs."
Vivki, Tena
Want me to set up a blog for youse.
I'm curious, Dick, if you could point me to some documentation of what exactly you "peddled". TIA.
NTodd, Crack Smoker
Shhhhhh! It's a conspiracy, like Diebold.
Whew, these trolls have nothing. I'm glad I'm back on the pledge, not wasting my time responding to robot programs.
The facts are not in play as long as Bushco and their state-owned media are in the game. Lies and distortions are all we will get as long as the likes of Jean Shit is allowed to appear in public.
And there has never been an American leader who so resembled Stalin and Idi Amin as George W. Bush, propped up by his fascist greedmongers. Clinton was the best Black Republican president ever elected (remember elections?), before the activists on the Scotus installed the soulless, empty-headed chickenhawk coward Bush puppet and his stringpullers. Outlaw the repuke Party!
Michigan sucks donkey dick....bwahahaha!
jdw
HEY NOW.
OSU licks your momma's beaver.
That was the funniest post of the day! You haven't displeased God...did you pray sufficiently yesterday evening?
Vicki
Well, I'm considering that Luther was wrong, and I CAN'T confess enough, after all.
Michigan sucks donkey dick....bwahahaha!
Now I'm torn: I'm a Bucks fan, but my late grandfather was a big PSU fan (graduated at age 19 in 1941), and even corresponded with Paterno. So should I root for MSU to defeat them, thus giving OSU the Big Ten outright? Or should I be egalitarian in honor of Granddaddy?
I just fear that hearing Set the Controls for
the Heart of the Sun whilst dropping copious amounts of acid in a scientific experiment might make me end up like a certain bandmember...
I could think of worse things to have to listen to while participating in that experiment. A few hours of "Oops, I Did It Again", for example, and you'd really be ready for a padded cell.
Quilt Lady, thanks. Now I'm on blogger though, I can do it. But that was a sweet offer.
Halfdan--
Without doubt there is no faith -- many people confuse certitude with truth
In your copious free time (snark) look at Dean Alan Jone's new book, "Re-Imagining Christianity: Reconnect With Your Spirit Without Disconnecting Your Mind"
Alan Jones
If I had the fiances, I'd be getting laid at EschaCon II!
You'd need more than one?
NYMary
Knowing Vicki, you ask?
And there has never been an American leader who so resembled Stalin and Idi Amin as George W. Bush, propped up by his fascist greedmongers.
Shit, he makes Suharto look squeaky clean.
Another goddam peacenik who wishes Saddam was back in power:
I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions... these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today.
Go get him, brownshirts!!!
A few hours of "Oops, I Did It Again", for example, and you'd really be ready for a padded cell.
I love that video.
And there has never been an American leader who so resembled Stalin and Idi Amin as George W. Bush, propped up by his fascist greedmongers. Clinton was the best Black Republican president ever elected (remember elections?), before the activists on the Scotus installed the soulless, empty-headed chickenhawk coward Bush puppet and his stringpullers. Outlaw the repuke Party!
ronjazz
Well said. 
Another turn against welfare, I think, has to do with the changing composition of the welfare caseload. In the 1960s, the caseload was largely composed of divorced women. One could imagine that members of the middle class, while not looking favorably upon divorce, understood it because many of them were getting divorced too. But by the 1980s, the caseload started to become composed largely of young women who had never been married and were having children out of wedlock. That is a completely different group, and the middle class had a great deal less sympathy toward those women.
A final factor is that I think the attitudes among women receiving welfare changed. If you look at attitudinal studies from the early 1990s, many welfare recipients said that they didn't like welfare, that they thought other women were gaming the system to stay on welfare, and were not really trying to improve their lives. Welfare recipients had incorporated the social norms of the middle class. And once the legislation led some recipients to move off welfare, it had a snowball effect. They began to exert social pressure on other women to find work. I think that increased stigma within poor populations made it easier to overhaul the welfare system. But it took a major shock; incremental reform would not have done it.
RMj - another true story:
There are two trails that run across the whole state of Colorado. Both of them cross the Divide up above Lake City. Many hikers come into town to get mail, etc. They usually hitchhike back up to the trail heads and I often pick them up and take them up there. I've met some interesting people.
Last summer I picked up a young guy who was hitching back up to the trail. He got in my car and I have never in my life smelled such reeking. I almost threw up. He had been hiking and camping since April - it was August when I gave him a ride.
I have never in my life smelled such reek. O my god - it wasn't just unwashed, it was all kinds of reek. It was symphony of reek. I really thought I wasn't going to make it up to the trailhead - it's a 20 minute drive. Then I was sure the smell would be imprinted into my car, just like that Seinfeld episode.
My car was ok, but I will never forget that stench as long as I live. O - you wouldn't have believed it.
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/
0,1282,-5425539,00.html">Well, at least Congress put partisanship aside and got something accomplished yesterday. I tell ya, it was breaking my heart Our Congressional Overlords were having to scrape by on only $130,000 a year.
A few hours of "Oops, I Did It Again", for example, and you'd really be ready for a padded cell.
"She's not that talented!"
OSU licks your momma's beaver.
Vicki"
that would be lloyd carr(crybaby's) beaver...what a whiney little man...that said, you gave us a good game...who coulda guessed they'd fold at the end?
"So should I root for MSU to defeat them, thus giving OSU the Big Ten outright? Or should I be egalitarian in honor of Granddaddy?
NTodd, Crack Smoker"
that's a tough call...always liked joe p...a couple years ago they were calling for his head and he's had a spectacular turnaround...still, it wouldn't be bad if they lost...but it would have been far better for osu to beat them in happy valley...
Sonofabitch. href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/
0,1282,-5425539,00.html">Here's the link. Sorry.
Now I'm torn: I'm a Bucks fan, but my late grandfather was a big PSU fan (graduated at age 19 in 1941), and even corresponded with Paterno. So should I root for MSU to defeat them, thus giving OSU the Big Ten outright? Or should I be egalitarian in honor of Granddaddy?
NTodd, Crack Smoker | Email | Homepage |
if you could see the uniforms the Spartans were wearing, it'd be an easy decision.
hell, I can't even root for them looking like that. Plus, the sooner the MSU football season ends the sooner Trannon, the stud WR, joins the basketball squad.
attaturk --
I don't think the ratio was quite that high, but Miami did have the reputation of having the most beautiful women of any school -- I think it was true
Goddammit...not sure how I screwed that up, but I did. Long story short, Congress voted to raise their yearly pay to $160,000 a year, because of the bang-up job they're obviously doing.
Rendon Group manufactured disinformation for the Pentagon's Office for Strategic Influence (OSI). Paul Moran, a reporter for Australian Broadcasting, was on the Rendon Group's payroll while he was reporting from Iraq, and like Judy Miller, scored an exclusive interview with the Kurdish "former engineer" al-Haideri.
http://www.rollingstone.com/poli...ry/_/id/
8798997
Miami did have the reputation of having the most beautiful women of any school -- I think it was true
So many that he had to commit himself to a lifetime of celibacy to atone.
I'm curious, Dick, if you could point me to some documentation of what exactly you "peddled".
What, you want to see facts? You liberal, al-Qaeda loving scum. Facts are the enemy. Ignorance is knowledge. Freedom is slavery. Get with the program. We have always been at war with al-Qaeda.
For decades, Republicans have struggled to reach out to black Americans. But now in Orange County, the GOP has to reach no further than the NAACP.
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
We are fucked.
Miami did have the reputation of having the most beautiful women of any school -- I think it was true
Now you tell me. Where were you in 1989? My college had the unfortunate reputation of having the *plainest* women of any school.
Okay, so I missed a bunch . . . I did write responses, prolly too late though:
Her Eyes, I have that song (SATURDAY NIGHT - Bay City Rollers): you want it?
Evening Moonbats.
NTodd, I am just trying to find a way to get my book on your Amazon wish list, does that count?
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Arabella, (who is feeling sadness this day)that is my line. Cheer up. Have some happy pills. Listen to some good music? Eat something you really like. Rent a good movie. Investigate sexual expression?
And I did this because Baghdad is not in Iraq, thus, no connection.
So, to link you to bestiality, all I have to do is speculate that under the right circumstances, you might blow goats.
I see.
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What, you want to see facts? You liberal, al-Qaeda loving scum. Facts are the enemy. Ignorance is knowledge. Freedom is slavery. Get with the program. We have always been at war with al-Qaeda.
JK47
And that is why I advised the American government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection.
"Miami did have the reputation of having the most beautiful women of any school -- I think it was true"
if they don't put out, it matters little....
just sayin,
Maybe you missed it the first time, but do you have a link for that? It looks like an opinion piece, and I'm curious as to what the writer uses to back it up. He/she does make one good point, though. People on welfare do not like being on welfare. An ex of mine worked in for the local department down in Florida, and very, very few people, she said, ever came across like they enjoyed the situation they were in. For the most part, as I understand it, the average recipient is white with a family and only stays on the rolls for a short while (my ex's job was to help the recipient get their financial and legal shit straightened out, including rehab and councelling programs, if neccessary).
Still, I'd love a source for what you're quoting. Thanks.
Gotta run to the liquor store.
You kids need anything?
Love ya!!
-ZR
OT -- But gotta love the Toledo Blade for cropping this quintessential Ohio Repug pic -- sqeezed it right down to the oink.
For decades, Republicans have struggled to reach out to black Americans. But now in Orange County, the GOP has to reach no further than the NAACP.
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
Isn't the OC pretty conservative?
So, to link you to bestiality, all I have to do is speculate that under the right circumstances, you might blow goats.
I see.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Poor thing.
You kids need anything?
Not today. I'm atoning for my sins of yesterday.
Thanks.
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
Guess he's part of that 2% who approves of Bush. Good luck Derrick, you Uncle Tom motherfucker. Orange County is rapidly trending blue.
Isn't the OC pretty conservative?
It's Bob Doran's old district, isn't it?
I love that video.
Me too. Just as long as the sound is off.
If they're trying to get folks to change their minds on the war, they're doing a pretty piss-poor job of it, I must say.
Matt T.
I think they're on a roll, changing people's minds against it. I'm sure a lot of people who have been unsure, but starting to think it's really, really bad, might feel reassured when more people make the case against it.
People really don't want to undermine the troops, and they really might feel like calling for retreat does that. They need to see that IED's hurt the troops a lot more than conversations about what to do from here. (I stole that analogy from someone much smarter than I.)
ql - thanks for the offer to set up a blog.
'
I guess Vicki has that covered; otherwise I would have taken you up on it.
For decades, Republicans have struggled to reach out to black Americans. But now in Orange County, the GOP has to reach no further than the NAACP.
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
We are fucked.
enlightened
Thanks for the "concern". But I think that the 2% of the African American population that approve of Bush is not much to worry about.
Interesting in that this case of torture provided them with the lies they wanted to hear...an honest person would say, "what's the point?" but...well, you guys know.
My car was ok, but I will never forget that stench as long as I live. O - you wouldn't have believed it.
Tena
Heard somewhere (and it's probably apocryphal) that June was the favored month for weddings in England because it was the month of the annual bath.
Try to imagine.
Still, I'd love a source for what you're quoting. Thanks.
Matt T.
Sorry, it's here
And here
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
Can't wait to see him introduced at the national convention!
African-American:GOP::deer:NRA
No link yet, but just heard on the radio - CBS - that five more soldiers killed and five wounded. That would make 2091 (and the big fool says to push on.)
RMJ,
poopy diapers do stink. You have my sympathy.
the month of the annual bath
Good Lord, is this country overdue for one of those!
Oh, hell, I give up. How about Penn State? Sure didn't expect them to win the Big Ten title, no sirree. Sure hope Fitzy doesn't disappoint! The troll's comments show the troll is actually homosexual! Boy, I was really drunk last night.
There.
http://www.rollingstone.com/poli...ry/_/id/
8798997
DWD--they had to die, so that the ones who died before them, would not have died in vain.
It's the newest excuse for making this whole mess into a blood feud.
So we'll be at 2,100 by Thanksgiving, no doubt.
Forge on, Georgie.
Gotta run to the liquor store.
(wiping hands on apron) not for me, thanks.
got about 45 minutes to get myself together before le diner et Monsieur Potter et Le Goblet du Feu dans IMAX.
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
That show always sucked.
Even Peter Gallagher couldn't make it watchable.
Good luck Derrick, you Uncle Tom motherfucker. Orange County is rapidly trending blue.
Right, he's not even authentically black. I know how black people act and he's an Uncle Tom. I'm white, by the way.
"five more soldiers killed and five wounded. That would make 2091 (and the big fool says to push on.)
DWD - Ego Driven | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 5:03 pm | # "
We haven't Supported the Troops(tm) enough until at least FIVE thousand of them are dead.
MarkC -- Rendon Group had a piece of the action in Gulf War I, too. Even bragged about getting all those little American flags into Kuwaiti hands. And I think they had a hand in the babies thrown out of incubators story as well.
One of the early journalists killed in Iraq this time 'round was connected to Rendon, too. Can't remember his name, I think the story came and went pretty quick.
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God, the sadness that sane people feel for the families and friends of the dead. How does one forget their humanity for 30 pieces of silver?
RMJ,
poopy diapers do stink. You have my sympathy.
Vicki
I've been here for 90 minutes, she's been here most of that time. I'm all for being "laid-back" and "casual," but at some point why doesnt' she get it through her head the rest of the store doesn't want to live with the smell of her child?
The drooling trool (who can't be bothered to link to the Byron York column we all discussed at length a few days ago) thinks this is a case of Clarke making a slam-dunk connection between Saddam and Osama:
"In case you don’t remember, “Boogie to Baghdad” is the phrase that Richard Clarke, when he was the top White House counterterrorism official during the Clinton administration, used to express his fear that if American forces pushed Osama bin Laden too hard at his hideout in Afghanistan, bin Laden might move to Iraq, where he could stay in the protection of Saddam Hussein."
(emphasis mine)
Clearly, the troll has some reading comprehension issues.
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Off Topic, but.......
The poor thing is gonna need shots...and I DO mean the kinkajou.
It's definitely been a bad week for Paris Hilton. First there was that late-night fender bender with beau Stavros Niarchos trying to drive with a jacket over his head. And now the Star is reporting that things are splitsville for Hilton and her billion-heir beau. The last straw may have been the $100,000 bill Stavros had to pay at the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas for trashing his hotel room. Paris reportedly was hanging with Kelly Osbourne upstairs in Stavros' suite when a pillow fight got out of hand. Somehow, a table got thrown and broke a sprinkler head, which wound up damaging four rooms. Star's snoopers say Stavros is tired of Paris always pushing to "party hard like rock stars." Meanwhile, the Enquirer is reporting that Stavros has had his allowance cut off by papa Philip Niarchos until he dumps Paris. All of this may help explain why Paris, according to news reports, already has a new pet: a monkey-like kinkajou named Baby Luv. But even this liaison is proving problematic.
The kinkajou reportedly bit and scratched Paris' face while they were shopping for lingerie in a Hollywood boutique. We're just guessing here, but we think Baby Luv may have been displeased with the lingerie Paris chose for him.
just found this:
Q: Why hasn't Ohio fallen into Kentucky?
A: Because Michigan sucks.
Bush is on radio--depressing--I need me some Merkin.
just sayin,
Ah, thank you. I will persue it when time comes free. So it comes from an interview with the chief editor of the American Economic Review. I must admit, I am unfamiliar with the publication, so I'm not really sure with how big a grain of salt I need to take the gentlemen's views. I'm also not sure how - or why, frankly - the gentleman's opinions, learned though they probably are, should translate into public policy (I am in favor of a social safety net but I do think the current system is run extremely badly and decidedly not to the benefit of those who need help the most).
Still, thanks for the link and I'll study it best I can.
Clearly, the troll has some reading comprehension issues.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
You say that like "reading" and "comprehension" are somehow relevant.
got about 45 minutes to get myself together before le diner et Monsieur Potter et Le Goblet du Feu dans IMAX.
Le sigh...
hi DWD--
how is the book coming along?
Speaking of movies, sort of, I heart netflix.
Speaking of movies, sort of, I heart netflix.
Right, he's not even authentically black. I know how black people act and he's an Uncle Tom. I'm white, by the way.
eschatonian
"liberal woman" is back, I see.
"five more soldiers killed and five wounded. That would make 2091 (and the big fool says to push on.)
DWD - Ego Driven | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 5:03 pm | # "
I am so proud of the Democrats for voting against a non-binding resolution to bring home our troops immediately, with the intention that not another one would be killed in this ill-concieved war.
They did it on principle and I am proud of them.
But even this liaison is proving problematic.
And meanwhile, Christina Aguilerra is getting married as we speak.
Virginia: You say that like "reading" and "comprehension" are somehow relevant.
Sorry -- I've done my anti-agitprop duties for the afternoon.
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Hi. This is William Rehnquist. Finally, I'm dead.
I'm in purgatory, and I still have Wi-Fi.
I have to stay here until the error I made in 2000 is rectified.
Please vote for Gore/Obama in 2008.
Le sigh...
Le shrug.
La vie dans le grand citee.
All this talk of poopy diapers is making me hungry.
"liberal woman" is back, I see.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
You're still a white expert on blackness, I see.
cs:
Thanks! I was starting to think that this place had turned into some kind of weird fraternity gathering. The journalist's name was Paul Moran, and he worked for Australian Boradcasting. The Adelaide Advertiser reported that he had been working for Rendon on CIA contracts (4/5/03):
"Mr Moran regularly told Mr Buchan about his work with the Rendon Group, which started soon after the Gulf War ended in 1991 when he was contracted to help reactivate a Kuwaiti television station used to broadcast anti-Saddam messages into Iraq. The Rendon Group also produced videos and radio messages encouraging defection by the Iraqi military in a campaign which reportedly cost the CIA $38 million in its first year."
What liked about Bamford's description of the way the Rendon Group operates was the three references to their strategies for controlling the internet. Strikes me that some of the trolls here are probably financed that way. The ones that are good at disruption, anyway.
Well, Modblog's 48 hours overdue from its latest FUBAR, or I'd have another Curly clip up...
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Five American soldiers died in roadside bombings.
Fuck Bush and his neocon dreams......
I just realized. Cog never answered any of my questions. I do declare, you poor bastards have undoubtably the worst trolls of any liberal site that I've come across. I'm not counting the screwballs that screech about ID at Pharyngula, cause they're a class of their own. And that fascist screwball from Austin - the one who said the Bill of Rights shouldn't apply to non-Americans and to say so made one a "subliminal fascist" - what's his story. Is he like the friend no one in the group really likes but they keep him around because he'll do fucked up shit so people will like him?
I pee in my own mouth.
Need help with that, Fred? I'm a whiz.
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Strikes me that some of the trolls here are probably financed that way. The ones that are good at disruption, anyway.
MarkC
I prefer the application of Occam's Razor: "disruption" is frightfully easy, and only requires the desire for attention.
Negative works as well as positive, and is easier to generate.
Ego provides the energy, not conspiracy or cash. And then "disruption" is up to the rest of the commenters, who are usually complicit.
And 'round and 'round it goes...
brb
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And that is why I advised the American government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection.
Hey, did you hear that? RICHARD CLARKE SAID THERE WAS AN IRAQ-AL QAEDA CONNECTION! Gosh, I guess that means that everything I ever said or thought about the war was WRONG! How EMBARRASSING! I'll NEVER be able to show my face at Eschaton again! Woe is me! The Iraqis LOVE us! They throw candy and flowers at our soldiers EVERY DAY! We found WMDs! TONS of them! ICBMs full of nerve gas that were just SECONDS AWAY from being launched at Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City! Good thing we got there when we did! And since everything in Iraq is just PEACHY KEEN right now, we should be packing up and LEAVING any day now! Right? RIGHT?
I pee in my own mouth.
Fred Eper
You'll go to hell for that, you know. Trust me.
They were just trying to make them reveal their secret egg salad recipe.
And all they got was a really crappy recipe.
Totally inedible.
See, torture doesn't work.
Selective commenting about the Iraqi war on NPR right now.
...at some point why doesnt' she get it through her head the rest of the store doesn't want to live with the smell of her child?
You know, we're having a similar problem here with moronic brownshirt fucks...
I pee in my own mouth.
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Need help with that, Fred? I'm a whiz.
eschatroll
[[[[SNORT]]]]
"I'm Not an Animal" on Sundance. Weird, and funny.
Hey, did you hear that? RICHARD CLARKE SAID THERE WAS AN IRAQ-AL QAEDA CONNECTION!
Shhhhhhhhh! This is a conspiracy, like Diebold.
Five American soldiers died in roadside bombings.
I blame Edward Luttwak.
After all, he said in January that we should withdraw.
MarkC -- Yes, I think that about the trolling here and elsewhere, too. Periodically I encourage folks not to engage -- period. If they're here to distract and confuse, interacting with them gives them more time on the stage.
Thanks for writing about the Rolling Stone article. I haven't thought about the Rendon group since the early stuff about them -- especially their INC/Chalabi pr -- starting coming out after the war began.
When I go back and read my old blog I find these posts expressing shock about all this stuff. It's amazing how long it's been out there. Hopefully the ground has been prepared for a wider audience to take it in now . . .
You know, we're having a similar problem here with moronic brownshirt fucks...
dave™
The correlation had occurred to me.
They were just trying to make them reveal their secret egg salad recipe.
Remember - two Wongs don't make a right!
Ego provides the energy, not conspiracy or cash. And then "disruption" is up to the rest of the commenters, who are usually complicit.
OKAY, OKAY, OKAY! I'll stop...
From an article I was made aware of:
Lagouranis said he put blindfolded prisoners into shipping containers and had them stay in "stress positions," such as standing at attention or kneeling, for hours. He also made sure they didn't sleep by playing "death metal" music. Later, he changed to James Taylor. He also played a book on tape about relationships narrated by Jeane Garofalo and Ben Stiller. "They hated Jeane Garofalo," he said.
Lagouranis also used dogs, trying to convince the blindfolded prisoners the animals would hurt them when, in reality, they were muzzled and under the control of another solider. He also would control his captives' meals, feeding them at random intervals and giving them the hated MREs, or Meals Ready to Eat.
The tactic he hated most, Lagouranis said, was forcing a prisoner to kneel for hours in the wet and cold.
"You have to make the prisoner believe you don't care about his life or his humanity," Lagouranis said. But as an unfortunate side effect, you start not to care about their lives, he said. You have to believe the lie to sell it.
Even as he was inflicting what he calls "harsh tactics," Lagouranis began to feel a festering revulsion. "It just got to you after a while," he said. Afterward, he actually apologized to most of the prisoners he had tortured.
And the torture never worked. In all, Lagouranis said, he tortured 15 prisoners and got no useful information from any of them.
But he saw much, much worse: Prisoners beaten to hell and back by Navy SEALs, he said. Others with broken bones and worse, thanks to a Force Recon Marine unit. "Most of them had been roughed up in some way," he said. "I had a real problem with that. Nobody got hurt doing the things I did."
Click on my "home page" to read the entire article.
Five American soldiers died in roadside bombings.
WE are winning in Iraq. If only the democrats and the liberal media would not embolden the terrorist, we could wrap this ting up by Sept. 2006
Say, does anyone know a truly, full-on non-partisan website that encourages open political debate but doesn't allow the bottom feeders that infect places like the Yahoo! message boards? Or am I asking for a bit too much?
DWD--they had to die, so that the ones who died before them, would not have died in vain.
And to turn it around and put it another way, we have to keep on losing soldiers in order to honor those who have died already. If there are 2100 who have died, we'll have to keep going until another 2100 have died, in order to honor the first 2100. And then 4200 have to die after that and so on and so on and so on.
we should be packing up and LEAVING any day now! Right? RIGHT?
Ridnik Chrome
It's going great, which is why we shouldn't tell them we're leaving, because if we do people could get killed.
As best I can figure it.
Evening, all.
Totally OT, and I'm sorry, but --
Just got the Springsteen 30th
anniversary BORN TO RUN set,
and the concert video from '75
is so good I could plotz.
NOW I remember why I thought Bruce
was God at the time.....
Matt T: yes, I think you *are* asking for too much. It is a nice thought though.
And then 4200 have to die after that and so on and so on and so on.
do you see how evil genius this is? it can never end. it must go on, otherwise, it will never be justified. it must go on to infinity. that means it can never stop.
and haliburton will keep getting those defense contracts.
And then 4200 have to die after that and so on and so on and so on.
Tena
Isn't it amazing. It is exactly the same argument they used to justify prolonging the Vietnam War. First I heard it, I shrieked.
"Five American soldiers died in roadside bombings.
WE are winning in Iraq. If only the democrats and the liberal media would not embolden the terrorist, we could wrap this ting up by Sept. 2006
Live Free or Die"
the problem here is obviously the roads, because inferior iraqi roads are havens for bombs.
now, if we would just pay halliburton $6,000,000,000,000,000,000 to make a new bomb proof road system, all would be well...
steve -- i never heard much Springsteen besides what was on the radio, and I liked him fine but didn't love him.
Then my husband's brother gave him this live boxed set (vinyl, dammit), and I thought he was fucking great.
And to turn it around and put it another way, we have to keep on losing soldiers in order to honor those who have died already. If there are 2100 who have died, we'll have to keep going until another 2100 have died, in order to honor the first 2100. And then 4200 have to die after that and so on and so on and so on.
Tena
I think when we hit 50,000 we can negotiate a peace treaty and start the choppers flying away from the embassy....
Say, does anyone know a truly, full-on non-partisan website that encourages open political debate but doesn't allow the bottom feeders that infect places like the Yahoo! message boards? Or am I asking for a bit too much?
Would you like some of my crack?
Matt T: yes, I think you *are* asking for too much. It is a nice thought though.
Well, shit. Story of my life.
Then my husband's brother gave him this live boxed set (vinyl, dammit), and I thought he was fucking great.
Virginia
I have that on cassettes.
Gonna have to go home and find it....
and the wingnuts use every casualty like the drinking game.
instead of taking a drink, every time there's a casualty, they say, "see? we *are* winning the war.
its their version of the kool aid drinking game.
BUSH PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY DESTROYED BY FLOOD (Crawford, Texas)
A tragic flood this morning destroyed the personal library of President
George W. Bush. The flood began in the presidential bathroom where both
of the books were kept.
Both of his books have been lost.
A presidential spokesman said the president was devastated, as he had
almost finished coloring the second one.
The White House tried to call FEMA but there was no answer.
Would you like some of my crack?
No. I've got plenty of my own smoke - the green kind (and kind indeed) - but thanks ever so much for asking.
...the concert video from '75
is so good I could plotz.
NOW I remember why I thought Bruce
was God at the time.....
Winterland 1978 convinced me of the same thing!
I think when we hit 50,000 we can negotiate a peace treaty and start the choppers flying away from the embassy....
I ain't settling for anything less than 58,000. THESE COLORS DON'T RUN!
Speaking of Hallliburton, News and Notes was talking about the rebuilding in the Gulf Coast. I think some of us might remember they had a little bad weather a while ago. They were discussing these debris-removal jobs that were being let to companies like KBR at $26 a cubic yard, that the contracter was then letting to locals at $3 a cubic yard.
So if it costs 3
Biden AGAIN on the Sunday talk shows. What is it with this guY? Does he think that the more he goes on tv the greater chances he has for capturing the nomination? He better not talk shit about Dems or blow kisses to repubs.
I've got plenty of my own smoke - the green kind (and kind indeed) - but thanks ever so much for asking.
Spare a brother some green?
Good lord. I still don't know what a "butt plug" is used for. But this is really obscene
I guess I'll forego the beer this evening, seeing as how I have to work noon-midnight tomorrow (and at least that long every day until Xmas)...
.
And to turn it around and put it another way, we have to keep on losing soldiers in order to honor those who have died already.
Or more accruately, we have to keep losing soldiers in order to protect Bush from being criticized for having killed 2100 soldiers for nothing.
full-on non-partisan website that encourages open political debate but doesn't allow the bottom feeders that infect places like the Yahoo! message boards
I don't think I've ever come across a nonpartisan political site that allows for commenting. I don't know if I've ever come across a nonpartisan political site at all.
"..the concert video from '75
is so good I could plotz."
Huh HA!
So if it costs 3
Virginia
(someday I will learn to operate a keyboard. we apologize for any inconvenience.)
So if it costs 3FUCKING DOLLARS to remove debris, how are we paying 26? I mean, with the government being small and letting the free market run amok.
ONE TWO THREE FOUR!
HUH HA!
So once again, why did our limp wristed failures of an opposition party NOT vote to get out of this war immediately last night???? This is a fucking outrage, and any defense of voting to continue that outrage for WHATEVER REASON is repugnant and offensive.
I'll never forget seeing Springsteen & the E Street Band in Minneapolis on the '99 reunion tour. Second night, after the instrumental break on "Born to Run", the lights came up, and we all stood up as one & screamed along with him.
It was exhilarating but I hope to god that's as close as I ever get to being at a Nuremburg-style rally.
Quilt Lady, not my idea of a gift, but different plugs for different thugs, I suppose.
Then my husband's brother gave him this live boxed set (vinyl, dammit), and I
thought he was fucking great.
Virginia | Email | 11.19.05 - 5:27 pm | #
I hate to sound like a crazed fan,
but if you like him at all, you
HAVE to see this video.
Absolutely Springsteen at his
peak, when there was nobody in
rock who could even come close
to being that good live.
I was there at the time, but I'd
forgotten how overwhelming he was.
The last, best rock star.....
Jeffraham...that is a long day...
is repugnant and offensive.
I found Waldo!
Man, this game is too easy, lately.
.
Are we still ignoring the concern trolls?
still don't know what a "butt plug" is used for.
I don't either but it "seems" self explanatory, anyway.......
. . . WHATEVER REASON is repugnant and offensive.
Kayla143
Somewhere, a Memo has been written.
ql--i don't get it...what is it exactly? an ornament? a pacifier?
Okay, here is an explanation of what a butt plug is (sorry ya'all, but you're the ones who spent hours talking about them this morning.) masturbateforpeace.com
her eyes: Jeffraham...that is a long day...
It's going to be a long six weeks, I'm being warned... may be pushing 80 hrs./week, at some point.
.
Biden AGAIN on the Sunday talk shows. What is it with this guY? Does he think that the more he goes on tv the greater chances he has for capturing the nomination?
Yeah, he does. And the media fuckdolls love Biden as much as they love McCain.
I still don't know what a "butt plug" is used for.
The Simple Pleasure of the Humble Butt Plug
The senate hearing on Indian Affairs is on CSpan now, it just started. Italia Frederici testifies.
So once again, why did our limp wristed failures of an opposition party NOT vote to get out of this war immediately last night???? This is a fucking outrage, and any defense of voting to continue that outrage for WHATEVER REASON is repugnant and offensive.
Such a target-rich environment. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: fuck off. Oh, is that repugnant and offensive? Golly, I feel so ashamed.
FIVE MARINES KILLED TODAY
Biden AGAIN on the Sunday talk shows. What is it with this guY?
Biden is a landmark left of which the corporate media will not allow the discussion to go, derision yes, discussion no. And Biden is a camera hog of almost Bill Bennett level.
BASH: The gloves-off White House effort is to paint a Democratic congressman calling for troops out of Iraq in six months as out of the mainstream.
"Congressman Murtha is a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting a strong America," said the White House press secretary in a blistering statement. "So it is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party."
By trying to link John Murtha, a known hawk, to the dovish filmmaker Michael Moore, Bush aides hope to stop independents and Republicans already skittish about Iraq from following the influential Democrat's lead.
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I respectfully disagree with John Murtha.
BASH: White House officials note even outspoken war critics in Murtha's own party think an immediate troop withdrawal would be dangerous.
But the Bush strategy to dismiss Murtha's biting criticism of the president's Iraq policy by calling him part of the left wing fringe may be undermined by past statements like this.
DICK CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: One of my strongest allies in Congress when I was secretary of defense was Jack Murtha, a Democrat who is chairman of the Defense Appropriation Subcommittee. We used to be able to do more together on a bipartisan basis than seems possible these days.
BASH: It's that kind of glowing comment in the heat last year's campaign that makes the Bronze Star, double Purple Heart recipient's slam at the vice president on Iraq so stunning.
REP. JOHN MURTHA (D), PENNSYLVANIA: I like guys that got five deferments and never been there. And send people to war. And then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BASH: And, Lou, on that vote that will happen shortly in the House of Representatives that Republicans are pushing to withdraw troops immediately from Iraq, as you know the White House has eventually been coordinating very carefully with members of Congress in -- Republicans in Congress on the whole political hit back, if you will, against Democrats on Iraq.
This particular tactic, according to a couple of White House officials, is not one that the White House certainly endorsed to begin with, and some at the White House don't necessarily think that it is a good idea politically to be doing this.
But in the end they hope perhaps they will at least get some Democrats on the record, saying that they don't want to withdraw troops from Iraq. Because as you know at the White House they think that is not a good policy -- Lou.
DOBBS: I'm not sure what the White House is thinking. And Dana, if you would clarify something for me: did or did not the White House link Jack Murtha to Michael Moore in their response? BASH: they absolutely did.
DOBBS: Then what in the world are we talking about they don't endorse this approach?
BASH: I'm talking about the political tactic, Lou, of putting a piece of legislation on the floor of the
(sorry ya'all, but you're the ones who spent hours talking about them this morning.)
ql in ny
I always go back to bed at the wrong time.
re: EschaCon II in Chicago.
This should NOT be done between Dec and Feb. (March can be iffy.) September is a beautiful month. The summer (especially August) can be really, really hot. May is often very lovely.
All that said, Chicago is a very interesting and rather beautiful city. It is, with the possible exception of New York and Portland, Oregon, the best town in the country to buy books in. (Don't get me wrong, I like Berkeley/SF and New Orleans and Boston/Cambridge; but we have the Original Powell's and the Seminary Co-Op and the Prairie Avenue Book Store (architecture) and heaps more.) Excellent bars (there are several microbrew pubs around, and a very large number of boutique beers are made in the city or close by.) Great theatre. Terrific restaurants. Astounding museums. The World Champion Chicago White Sox. The cuddly Chicago Cubs. Deep dish pizza. Blues. The glorious shore of Lake Michigan. Wicker Park. Andersonville. The architecture ain't too shabby either, and Millenium Park is worth a look if only for the 20 million dollar stainless steel jelly bean. (I ain't makin' this up.)
Oh, did I forget to mention that the Checkerboard Lounge just reopened?
I'm from the drowned city of New Orleans originally, but Chicago is not a bad place to relocate. OK, it's cold for four months out of the year. So we dress warmly and don't sleep alone. The good far outweighs the bad, and if you come in clement weather, there ain't hardly any bad.
Buutplugs for piece! Ha ha ha!
Thanks for the link, Quilt Lady!
Now, where's my vibrator?
But our OSU (Oregon State) are the Beavers!
you're the ones who spent hours talking about them this morning.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Now if you'll excuse me, I wanna go play with my new Troll Buttplug.
Sorry for the Springsteen OT.
FUCK BUSH!!!!!
Jeffraham
well, good luck to you. i hope you get a nice rest when the season is over.
FIVE MARINES KILLED TODAY
Rex Tugwell
I think we are safe in assuming that none of the trolls on this site are in danger of getting killed in their holy war.
Jeffraham
Don't forget to call your lady friend, even if you can't see her tonight. Girls are such suckers for that kind of thing.
So once again, why did our limp wristed failures of an opposition party NOT vote to get out of this war immediately last night???? This is a fucking outrage, and any defense of voting to continue that outrage for WHATEVER REASON is repugnant and offensive.
You certainly seem outraged.
I like how they make it sound like Kerry is diametrically opposed to Murtha... what a pack of fucking liars we have for a press.
The things you learn at Eschaton. I swear, yesterday I learned they shoot mistletoe from trees. Today, I learn about the almighty buttplug.
ql--i don't get it...what is it exactly? an ornament? a pacifier?
You two step into my office... I'll explain everything!
I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda had a connection.
So once again, why did our limp wristed failures of an opposition party NOT vote to get out of this war immediately last night????
You must remember, it was a non-binding resolution, so even if it had passed, it would've changed nothing. Had no meat behind it, and if the Bush Administration has shown us anything, it's shown us it doesn't give a good goddamn about what anyone who disagrees with the thinks. That being said - and I didn't watch the whole to-do - it seems to me the whole deal was a lose-lose for the Democrats. Had the majority of them voted for it, the Bush Faithful would just trot out the old "they don't support the troops and hate America and want us to surrender". On top of that, the resolution was pretty shoddy (hell, the guy who put it up didn't vote for it, which should tell you something).
I will agree that the idea of that the Democrats are an "opposition party" is almost laughable in a you-wreck-your-car-trying-to-not-run-over-your-ex-
wife kinda way, but last night was nothing but bread & circuses, a chance for the House to yell at each other.
Neither JFK nor Bill Clinton were household names throughout the US before they made their run for the US Presidency. This country is so ready for a dark horse candidate to capture the deliberately Rethug stifled imagination as to what we can become as a Nation.
Who will it be in 2008? The answer will likely surprise both parties.
Don't forget to call your lady friend, even if you can't see her tonight. Girls are such suckers for that kind of thing.
ql in ny
Jeffraham ~
Listen to the wise woman! She speaks truth to power.
If you'd like to hear the most
distilled version of the Repug
talking points, get ready for
the 6 o'clock EST broadcast of
the Beltway Boys, coming up on
Fox.
Fred Barnes, Morton Kondracke.
Tonight's theme?
I'm guessing.......
Bush didn't lie, and how dare
the Democrats say he did.
I think I smell the rancid stench of Burned ham.
Geoffie, how do you do it? How do you fuck ants?
You should change your style. Gives you away every time.
I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda had a connection.
Richard Clarke
But, it was Bush's fault.
almighty buttplug?
Is this a new religion?
Maybe part of scientology? Keeps the thetans from sneaking in?
.
The things you learn at Eschaton. I swear, yesterday I learned they shoot mistletoe from trees. Today, I learn about the almighty buttplug.
Vicki
Oddly, I learned those things in the opposite order.
It's like shooting dry drunk (yeah, RIGHT!) world leaders in a barrel.
So once again, why did our--
So cute! So cuddly!! Concern trolls - the bestest trolls of them all!!!
So once again, why did our limp wristed failures of an opposition party NOT vote to get out of this war immediately last night????
They did it on principle and I applaud them for it.
her eyes: well, good luck to you. i hope you get a nice rest when the season is over.
Well, it ain't exactly sanding floors, or puttin' four coats of Kilz on walls, y'know. Sitting in a comfy chair and answering a phone non-stop, while manipulating 43 different applications on a PC is challenging, but not terribly draining, physically.
And just think of the OT...!
.
Who will it be in 2008? The answer will likely surprise both parties.
I'm going to use my blog to launch my bid for the WH. I figure the nation is ready for a psycho Quaker as Commander-in-Chief. I mean, not like Nixon, but for real.
I like how they make it sound like Kerry is diametrically opposed to Murtha... what a pack of fucking liars we have for a press.
nick carraway
Well, see, the Repugs march in lockstep.
None of them ever disagree with one another. None of them think independently.
So, when Democrats disagree with one another, the MSM doesn't know how to handle it.
The things you learn at Eschaton. I swear, yesterday I learned they shoot mistletoe from trees. Today, I learn about the almighty buttplug.
Vicki
Tying things together, I once heard that the Vikings used holly leaves as toilet paper.
Dead butch, no?
"Hey, Cog, thanks for 2006 and 2008."
I am a Democrat, so no problem.
"I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that there WMD's reason was valid? Are you saying the other reason's put up at the time (there weren't many others, really, as most of 'em either had to do with a connection al Qaeda or the apparently phantom WMD's"
Read the State of the Union adress, read the presentation Powell gave to the United Nations. I would agree that WMDs were the major reason given, and that it turned out to be a major intelligence failure.
But the reasons were not just "Al Qaeda connections and phantom WMDs". Stop reading Atrios and Kos for your news, it makes you sound like an imbecile.
"Are you also saying there's not been examples of U.S. officials using methods we'd consider "torture" if they were used against U.S. troops?"
I was pretty clear in what I said above. Your confusion as a rhetorical device is kind of moronic. Atrios took one example of abuse, not torture, claimed it was an extreme case of torture, used it repeatedly as evidence of systematic abuse by the military, and went so far as to make a comparison of the US military to those of Hitler and Stalin.
"Or are you saying, either way, torture is okay?"
You are an imbecile. I am sorry I wasted my time answering your "confusion" in the first place.
Just an FYI, when you rely on Atrios or the brain dead individual above to make your case against Bush or the war, you discredit any real argument you are trying to make.
Leave out the bullshit, leave out the juvenile distortions, leave out all the false claims, and a real discussion could BEGIN. Right now, you are stuck in slander mode.
"Everyone knows terrorists are bad." - Atrios.
Nor Hoover.
Yeah, well the whole terrorists are out to destroy the US thing is bogus, and 9/11 was synthetic terrorism set up by the neocons to inspire war in the middle east.
So wake the fuck up and stop buying into the whole Al Qaeda mythology.
I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda had a connection.
Richard Clarke | 11.19.05 - 5:40 pm | #
Can somebody please explain to me
the logic behind the new Repug
meme:
"Democrats supported the war, therefore
opposing it now is hypocritical?"
What the fuck is that about?
Hey Cog!
Guess what! I didn't read your post!
I'm betting most of my friends here scrolled on by, too!
Jefrraham
true dat!
He better not talk shit about Dems or blow kisses to repubs.
Biden's problem is that he talks the talk, he doesn't walk the walk. He usually sounds like a great liberal Democrat. He just votes like a Repug.
For decades, Republicans have struggled to reach out to black Americans. But now in Orange County, the GOP has to reach no further than the NAACP.
As of this week, Derrick Wallace, head of Orange County's NAACP, has switched parties -- to become a Republican.
I'm gonna puke. Total Uncle Tom.
Can somebody please explain to me
the logic behind the new Repug
meme:
steve:
Repug and logic don't go together.
Just sayin'
What the fuck is that about?
Fear. Raw, naked, shit-in-their-pants fear.
They've been spewing it all day. It's beautiful, man...
I am a Democrat, so no problem.
You're as much of a Democrat as I am.
Hey Cog!
Guess what! I didn't read your post!
I'm betting most of my friends here scrolled on by, too!
Vicki
And it was so unimportant to me that I took time out of my life to comment on it!
steve simels: What the fuck is that about?
Last throes.
.
"Everyone knows terrorists are bad." - Atrios.
Wiser words were never spoken.
BTW, one of the HBO stations is showing "The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie" right now...
Cog is a Democrat. Is this the biggest troll lie this week? Malkin, stop lying. We know you are the servile whore of George Rockwell.
"I'm betting most of my friends here scrolled on by, too!"
--Vicki
High five to ya!
Cog,
I do not rely on Atrios or Kos for my news. I was not trying to attack you. I was honestly trying to get a better feel for what you were trying to say. Apparently, you're not interested in any sort of discourse, and therefore, I am sorry I wasted my time with such a foul-mannered shit like yourself.
Can someone tell me if this:
http://fadedyouth.blogspot.com/2...is-
cheater.html
is true????
WTF????????????????
Yeah, well the whole terrorists are out to destroy the US thing is bogus, and 9/11 was synthetic terrorism set up by the neocons to inspire war in the middle east.
So wake the fuck up and stop buying into the whole Al Qaeda mythology.
Alex
Word, my fellow Atriot.
Word!
Was it more than 2 or three weeks ago that we passed the 2,000 mark. At this rate we'll be hitting three thousand by Easter.
OKAY, OKAY, OKAY, so I can't stop feeding the trolls. It's a genetic malady. I was raised by wolves. The sun was in my eyes. I'm only four...
NTodd, Hater of Bogart :
Kiddo -- I'm late to the party,
but what's the deal with Hater
of Bogart?
I love Bogart.
And who doesn't?
I am soul sick over this. The SCOTUS justices, and I use that term more loosely than it has ever deserved to be used, who put this psychopath in charge of America are covered with shame that they'll never be able to expunge. Shame on them. Shame on them. Shame on them.
Someone is pissed and stole Vickie's name. Funny that.
this is o/t but i have to share this story.
i work with a wingnut who lost a brother to this madness of a war, who still wouldn't support kerry, and when pressed for the reasons why, she said, "i just don't like him, that's all."
for a few months, i tried to have a resaonable discourse with her about the republican view points, but she refuses to talk "politics" with me.
i have since come to the conclusion that is because i'm right. she can't come back when faced with logic.
i knew it to be true after watching the trools here, but to have it happen in real life, was really something.
Cog's a Democrat like I'm a Repugnican.
And frankly, Cog, you really don't make any points besides you have nothing but loathing for anyone who disagrees with you and can't argue in any form besides insults and name-calling. I must thank you, for I will know to ignore you from now on, as nothing you have to say has any weight behind it all besides anger and hate.
When I see a meaningless troll post I scroll on by and then I post a response to it!
The only thing cuter than a concern troll is one that pretends to be two different people and talks to itself!
So cute, and yet sad at the same time... no one will talk to it, so it has to make up an imaginary friend. It always brings a tear to my eye...
Was it more than 2 or three weeks ago that we passed the 2,000 mark. At this rate we'll be hitting three thousand by Easter.
Last couple months we've been at a 3/day clip. Our average during "major combat"? 4/day.
Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows
ABC's "This Week" - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
CBS' "Face the Nation" - Rumsfeld; Sens. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and Chris Dodd, D-Conn.
NBC's "Meet the Press" - Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.; Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt; Dr. Julie Gerberding, director, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; Dr. Mike Ryan, director, Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response Department of the World Health Organization.
CNN's "Late Edition" - Rumsfeld.
"Fox News Sunday" - Rumsfeld; Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.
Terry C: Cog's a Democrat like I'm a Repugnican.
Probably can't be bothered to vote, but tunes in to Drugboy every day, religiously.
.
her eyes
I've stopped bothering with people like that wingnut.
I don't talk to them at all.
Someone is pissed and stole Vickie's name. Funny that.
mer
My name has been stolen so many times, mer.
I guess I have a distinctive enough style that most people know if it's really me or not.
later, gators.
Thanks for the heads up on CSPAN. Federici is a bitch. McCain is doing okay.
Oh, simels, sorry, I like Bogie. I don't like people who bogart. I've made a correction.
Cog has made me see the light! The greatest evil confronting the US is Atrios!
Damn, just typing that made my brain hurt. Imagine how it feels to believe it.
Good lord. I still don't know what a "butt plug" is used for. But this is really obscene
ql in ny
Send one to Fred Eper. He knows.
Up now: "What's Opera, Doc".
Though I slightly prefer "Rabbit of Seville"...
Cog could be a rightwing Democrat who hates centrists like Atrios and Kos.
The only thing cuter than a concern troll is one that pretends to be two different people and talks to itself!
Even cuter?
Two trolls talking to one another because everyone else on the thread is ignoring them.
I am soul sick over this. The SCOTUS justices, and I use that term more loosely than it has ever deserved to be used, who put this psychopath in charge of America are covered with shame that they'll never be able to expunge. Shame on them. Shame on them. Shame on them.
Hecate Malificent
Yes. And it needs to be repeated.
NTodd: Oh, simels, sorry, I like Bogie. I don't like people who bogart. I've made a correction.
Where do you stand on Bacall?
.
Up now: "What's Opera, Doc".
Though I slightly prefer "Rabbit of Seville"...
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 5:53 pm | #
Kill the wabbit!!!!!
Like I said earlier, y'all have without a doubt the worst and quite possibly the most useless trolls in existence. So far, all I can grok from the last couple of days' readings is that they hate Atrios, hate liberals and hate anyone who disagrees with them. Not a single one of 'em has made any attempt to argue their point without eventually degrading into insults, shit-slinging, distortions and flat-out lies.
If I want that, I'll watch Bill O'Reilly. Sheeze...
I love Bogart.
And who doesn't?
Must you be so selfish?
It's not a microphone - pass it on!
.
Terry C Feminazi Moonbat--
i've stopped talking to her, but i really thought that losing a family member like that (her own brother!) would maybe have some sort of effect...
what is it with these rabid republicans?
I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda had a connection.
Richard Clark
Richard Clark eviscerated Bush on "The Daily Show" last week. It was brutal.....
Damn, just typing that made my brain hurt. Imagine how it feels to believe it.
Oh, it doesn't. It just types in what's put in front of it.
That's what it's paid for.
Where do you stand on Bacall?
I'd hit it. But I'm really an Inga Bergman/Donna Reed kinda guy.
My name has been stolen so many times, mer.
I guess I have a distinctive enough style that most people know if it's really me or not.
Vicki
Vicki is dumb is your name? Sorry, didn't realize.
Ohio is really on my shit list.
Hecate the troll crusher is in da house! And I'll talk about the use of buttplugs and how they can enhance female ejaculation (squirting) to ward the trolls off...
NTodd: I'd hit it. But I'm really an Inga Bergman/Donna Reed kinda guy.
All three at the same time... hmmm...
.
Kill the wabbit!!!!!
Kill the wabbit!?!?!?
Matt T - welcome to Eschacon. Come for the Open Threads, stay for the troll feeding and blogwhoring.
Richard Clark eviscerated Bush on "The Daily Show" last week. It was brutal.....
wolf-man
And when I'm not doing comedy schtick, I'm advising the American government that Iraq and al qaeda have connections.
" Like I said earlier, y'all have without a doubt the worst and quite possibly the most useless trolls in existence. "
They're a special bunch, ain't they.
Oh, simels, sorry, I like Bogie. I don't like people who bogart. I've made a
correction.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 5:53 pm | #
Aha. Now THAT makes sense....
All three at the same time... hmmm...
That would kill me.
Kill the wabbit!!!!!
Kill the wabbit!?!?!?
Federici is a bitch
That's for sure. Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy. Might as well just call it "bullshit front for scumbag republicans"
And I'll talk about the use of buttplugs and how they can enhance female ejaculation (squirting) to ward the trolls off...
Vicki ,/i>
That's disgusting.
Oops:
I...killed...da wabbit...
You think this country is gonna give up its "Dangerous Housewives" and college football just because some doofus in the Middle East says so, you've been drinking some bad buttermilk.
And to think it's liberals who're supposed to have a low opinion concerning the testicular fortitude of the average American.
Matt T.
Ya know, maybe it's just me but a certain poster sounds an awful lot like a good buddy we all knew and loved, who sorta faded away a few months ago. Has he maybe lost his resolve to stay away from this joint? Has he...dare we say it...backslid just a bit?
I'm advising the American government that Iraq and al qaeda have connections.
Now, see here...
Why copy/paste for such idiots, when one can merely hyperlink?
.
All righty, bats. I'm going to toss on my coat, find some mittens and head out into the cool, crisp air for a walk and a bit of meditation.
I'll spin good thoughts for you all.
Later.
what is it with these rabid republicans?
The ones who lost someone in BushBoy's war can't wrap their heads around, not accept emotionally, the idea that Bush lied us into an unwinnable war. And thus, their personal sacrafices are for not.
In a way, I can understand why. But, is illusion and denial really the best way to deal with loss? I don't think so.
It's like a carnival game, squirt the troll in the eye.
In hell.
.
I watched Citizen Kane this afternoon. The young Orson Welles wouldn't even have needed to play his cards right, if you know what I mean.
Kill the wabbit!!!!!
Typhoons! Earthquakes!! Hurricanes!!!
SMOG!!!!!!
newspaper headline that was probably noticed previously: "Cocaine Prices Rise, Quality Declines, White House Says"
hmmmm... wonder who led *that* "Survey Group"???
And when I'm not doing comedy schtick, I'm advising the American government
that Iraq and al qaeda have connections.
Richard Clarke | 11.19.05 - 5:57 pm |
Please explain how anybody's
mistakes about the
intelligence for the war three years
ago justify what's going on now?
Or else shut the fuck up.
The proof we had Saddam tortuirng people comes from our work with him. Saddam's main political prisoners were COmmunists.
When Saddamw as ousted the red flag rallies returned.
Saddam had to nationalize oil and take away their chief domestic platform policy and make it his own to the betterment of Iraq.
OPEC hated him for it, he kept the price of oil lower and shared the money more so than the Sauds.
We assisted torture in iraq and it produced a Saddam.
We're the White Saddam now.
The new Saddam will soon be enshrined after the next "election".
Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.
And when I'm not doing comedy schtick, I'm advising the American government that Iraq and al qaeda have connections.
Richard Clarke
Bullshit, he was VERY intense and truthful on "The Daily Show." In fact, he mocked the idea that al Queada and Saddam were linked.
I watched Citizen Kane this afternoon. The young Orson Welles wouldn't even have needed to play his cards right, if you know what I mean.
What about Lieb Schreiber, who played him in RKO 281?
* gets back from the liquor store..pants as he's running in*
Okay, folks. What did I miss in the last hour?
I'm preparing myself for Echo and the Bunnymen live next week. Has anyone here seen the new reincarnation?
The young Orson Welles wouldn't even have needed to play his cards right, if you know what I mean.
You weren't the only one to come to that decision, from what I understand.
In fact, even the old Orson Welles was able to attract his share of interested young hotties.
Gives a fat old guy hope!
In a way, I can understand why. But, is illusion and denial really the best way to deal with loss? I don't think so.
wolf-man | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 5:59 pm | #
__________________________
so sad, really. and yet, she knows i'm right about a lot of things...she is affected by the "bush boom" loses a brother in a senseless war and still can't argue the logic of the left.
her mind is made up and that's that.
well, when the house of cards comes down, i'm going to have to bite my tongue clear through to stop myself from saying "i told you so."
I watched Citizen Kane this afternoon. The young Orson Welles wouldn't even
have needed to play his cards right, if you know what I mean.
Hecate Malificent | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:00 pm | #
Thank you for answering a question
I've always wondered about.
Orson was a hottie.....
But TOUCH OF EVIL?
What happened?
Although he used it brilliantly...
The worst thing from yesterday is the fact that the Republicans didn't repeat Danny Bubp's comments during the H Res 571 debate
Frederici is really pissing off McCain. She's trying to play dumb, but there are too many emails and depositions for her to get away with it.
Go McCain!
I once said that trolls, if their mothers quit fellating them, might be forced to look to barnyard animals for sexual gratification.
So, I was obviously pushing a troll/bestiality link.
.
Bullshit, he was VERY intense and truthful on "The Daily Show." In fact, he mocked the idea that al Queada and Saddam were linked.,/i>
I know, it was a lot of fun. A few years ago, in my other job, I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda were connected. Funny me!
It was all Bush's fault, anyway!
"I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda had a connection."
Richard Clarke
"I killed a guy in a drunk driving incident."
Laura Bush
"I knowingly lied through my teeth to the United Nations."
Colin Powell
"I snorted cocaine at Camp David."
George W. Bush
"I am 'Official A' who leaked the name of a CIA operative to the press for political reasons."
Karl Rove
"My family benefitted from my connections to the Nazis."
Prescott Bush
See? I can play this game too.
Hmmm. I think I'm gonna start a class-action suit against the makers of fortune cookies. I hardly ever get an actual fortune anymore, just some sort of bullshit ambiguous advice. Like this one: "Doing the best at this moment puts you in the best place for the next moment."
What the hell?! I don't need checkout-aisle self-help book advice. I need to know if I'm gonna get run over crossing the street, or whether a mysterious stranger will turn me Republican through sexual hypnosis. Or whether that thing on my foot is infected.
Grow a pair, fortune cookie bakeries. Go back to real fortunes.
NTodd: What about Lieb Schreiber, who played him in RKO 281?
You mean Turk 182, dontcha?
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What about Lieb Schreiber, who played him in RKO 281?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:02 pm | #
And what a great movie that is.
You actually have a little sympathy
for Hearst.
"What about Lieb Schreiber, who played him in RKO 281?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:02 pm | # "
I think Jonathan Frakes looks uncannily like Welles.
"I killed a guy in a drunk driving incident."
Laura Bush
I raped Juanita Brodderick.
rosebud.
NTodd: What about Lieb Schreiber, who played him in RKO 281?
You mean Turk 182, dontcha?
Nah, that was Spenser for Hire, Robert Urich.
Rethugs --
2002: Support going to war or you're a traitor.
2005: You believed my lies so it's all your fault. Why didn't you stop me?
The Party of Personal Responsibilty in action.
NTodd: What about Lieb Schreiber, who played him in RKO 281?
You mean Turk 182, dontcha?
Nah, that was Spenser for Hire, Robert Urich.
Or Robert Duvall in THX-1138...
"I knowingly lied through my teeth to the United Nations."
Colin Powell
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people.
Oh, yes, young Orson Welles was hot, hot, hot.
well at 500 hundred plus posts i'm not sure of the reason for this but it seems to fit the original
the rolling stone has the Rendon Group
As the acknowledged general of such propaganda warfare, Rendon insists that the work he does is for the good of all Americans. "For us, it's a question of patriotism," bullshit , he did it for the money.
You actually have a little sympathy
for Hearst.
Only because James Cromwell played him.
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people.
Bill Clinton
"I got head in the Oval Office, and that makes the GOP jealous."
Bill Clinton
go away for a few hours, and when I come back, it is still the same trolls spouting the same shit.
God these trolls are stupid. Uncle Karl is really down to the bottom of the troll barrel now.
"let's give tax cuts to the wealthy and eliminate the only tax that will help the middle class"
--the party of ideas.
Doyle, I don't usually point out typos - but are you sure you didn't mean, "The Part of Personal Responsibility inaction?" :D
"I got head in the Oval Office, and that makes the GOP jealous."
I got impeached and that makes me a failure, forever.
rosebud.
Bobo...Bobo...
I mean, bring back Sheriff Lobo.
well, when the house of cards comes down, i'm going to have to bite my tongue clear through to stop myself from saying "i told you so."
You wont have to because when the cards come falling down, the Bush supporters who lost someone to the neocon war are either going to be enraged at Bush or unconsolible. It's going to be especially brutal for them....
My speech yesterday if I was a member of the House.
Mr. Speaker,
The forces pulling for a surrender are the forces of evil. The forces of evil which seek our surrender to the evil terrorists which are threatening and killing us every day.
The fact is that the forces of evil are unfortunately here in Washington D.C.
I make mo distinction between the terrorists and those who aid the terrorists goals.
I make no distinction between the terrorists and those who embolden them.
The idea of immediate surrender is one which disgusts America.
We liberated Iraq and the forces of evil want to let Iraq fall to the terrorists.
The terrorists had their largest party last night after the announcement of the Murtha Surrender Plan.
We must not let them celebrate tonight, for even one vote for this surrender will embolden terrorists further.
I yield.
"Grow a pair, fortune cookie bakeries. Go back to real fortunes."
--Nim, ham hock of liberty
I've noticed that too. Maybe they have become white bread because they have been sued? State of the nation.
I raped Juanita Brodderick.
Bill Clinton | 11.19.05 - 6:06 pm | #
No scummier canard has ever been
advanced in American politics.
You are sub-human to even mention
it.
Go fuck yourself.
Or ask me about the woman Reagan
definitely raped.
"Richard Clarke" enjoys misrepresenting Richard Clarke, for he is a liar for Christ.
Actually, my ideal time to go to Eschacon is September. I would love to have it in the fall. I'm afraid too many people can't make it then.
I wouldn't mind the spring, either, though that doesn't give us much time.
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people about consensual sexual encounters. Nobody died.
Bill Clinton
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people during the State of the Union address about Iraq having sought out uranium yellowcake. Hundreds of thousands died.
Okay, no more Papa John's pizza -- it's like Ambien. Two pieces, I'm out like a light. That's where my two-hour gap was this afternoon -- napping.
I do have some Aldi $0.49 vac-pac ravioli and tortelloni... maybe that wouldn't induce a coma after dinner...
.
Oh lordy.
Fred Barnes and Morton Kondracke
are actually saying we lost in
Vietnam because we didn't nuke them
back to the Stone Age.
The fact is that if we had a Republican congress during Vietnam, we would have won that war easily.
The young Orson Welles wouldn't even have needed to play his cards right, if you know what I mean
Hubba, hubba, Hecate-you have good taste.
Vincent D'Onfrio reminds me of a young Orson Welles-if he would just shave more often.
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people.
Bill Clinton
Something BushBoy does in every speech.
The terrorists had their largest party last night after the announcement of the Murtha Surrender Plan.
Which was brought to the floor in bastardized form by Republicans. You like to pretend you have a big dick, don't you?
Hey Fred, do you stand in front of the your mommy's mirror and practice your little speech every day?
Do you wear her underwear while you recite to yourself?
What a childish bunch of meaningless claptrap.
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people about consensual sexual encounters. Nobody died.
Bill Clinton
And who could blame me for sodomizing a teenager with a cigar when I got away with raping Juanita?
The bitches love me.
I knowingly lied through my teeth to the American people.
Bill Clinton
oh you mean about gett'n a blow job? sorry bill, i don't want the details.
now on ly'n my ass into war, that i'd like to be informed about.
I am the most prolific mass-murderer alive on the planet right now.
Impeachment=indictment
Result of Clinton's trial in the Senate? Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted. Acquitted.
Get it?
I knocked my girlfriend up and got her an abortion when I was younger
I am the most prolific mass-murderer alive on the planet right now.
George W. Bush
We just voted against a non-binding resolution to end that mass-murder.
Just on principle.
Troolie is more concerned about lies to cover up sex than lies to justify war.
I guess troolie likes war better than sex.
What a childish bunch of meaningless claptrap.
Well Tena, don't be so hard on him. He probably has been working on that post all day.
on the flip side, i have a co-worker who was completely ignorant of all the gooper's doings, and since i've been talking to her about what the repuke party has been doing to destroy the country, she's agreed to register to vote and vote democrat in 06!
"Fred Barnes and Morton Kondracke
are actually saying we lost in
Vietnam because we didn't nuke them
back to the Stone Age."
steve simels
That is my great fear if things don’t improve in Iraq.
The crazies will demand that Chimpus Dickus “nuke en all and let God sort them out”
Then they will anoint Chimpus Dickus as the greatest living American.
"Fred Barnes and Morton Kondracke
are actually saying we lost in
Vietnam because we didn't nuke them
back to the Stone Age."
steve simels
That is my great fear if things don’t improve in Iraq.
The crazies will demand that Chimpus Dickus “nuke en all and let God sort them out”
Then they will anoint Chimpus Dickus as the greatest living American.
I raped Juanita Brodderick.
Bill Clinton
Prove it.....
I told the American government that Iraq and al qaeda had a connection."
Richard Clarke
Link? Exact quote (not out of context)?
NTodd,
I don't know about all that.
The fact is that all plans of surrender will be defeated.
And those who advocate surrender will not benefit from that advocacy.
If America had to pick between being in Iraq and having to fight the terrorists in America, they would pick Iraq every time
The fact is that if we had a Republican congress during Vietnam, we would have won that war easily.
Fred Eper
no comment...it's that dumb.
I finger-paint with my own poo.
The fact is that if we had a Republican congress during Vietnam, we would have
won that war easily.
Fred Eper | 11.19.05 - 6:12 pm | #
You are SO right about that.
As you were earlier today, when
you asserted that our government
was secretly taken over by aliens
from the planet Neptor during
the galactic war of 1997.
I knocked my girlfriend up and got her an abortion when I was younger
George W. Bush
If only abortion had been legal when who knows who knocked up my mother.
Fred Barnes and Morton Kondracke
are actually saying we lost in
Vietnam because we didn't nuke them
back to the Stone Age.
steve simels
well duh,
steve, it's like a cartoon "meet the flintstones... a yabba dabba dooo...
Trolls,
I am crushing your heads. Crush. Crush. Ewww.
We just voted against a non-binding resolution to end that mass-murder.
Just on principle.
Actually, you got it wrong. We just outsmarted the GOP and made them look like fools by refusing to take the bait of their trumped-up "gotcha" amendment that didn't mean anything.
We'll vote for a bill to bring troops home when it isn't brought to the floor by Republicans playing bullshit "gotcha" games.
So suck it.
I got impeached and that makes me a failure, forever.
"I was acquitted by the Senate, never indicted for any of the bogus charges that came out of Starr's $40M witchhunt and formed the basis of Impeachment, and was more popular than Reagan when I left office. The politics of personal destruction, begun by the Gingrich GOP, is now coming home to roost with Bush and his GOP-run Congress reaping the proverbial whirlwind (if I might mix my metaphors [knowing chuckle]). And I still got head in the Oval Office."
Bill Clinton
her eyes -- I've seen that sort of thing at work a few times. My girlfriend and I have noticed that if you can get a gooper to understand even one minor evil thing BushCo has done, the scales fall from their eyes, and they suddenly see it all.
We think it's more important to play "gotcha" than to bring the failed war in Iraq to a conclusion.
Fred Barnes and Morton Kondracke
are actually saying we lost in
Vietnam because we didn't nuke them
back to the Stone Age.
steve simels
"No one likes us, I don't know why,
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows, we try..."
Sounds like an open and shut case for impeachment. Let's throw the motherfuckers in jail.
her eyes,
That's great. A friend was telling me the other week that her fundie stepfather has just now found out about Haliburton and doesn't think that Bush is such a godly man, after all. One vote at a time.
NTodd,
I don't know about all that.
Matt T.
All of what?
I spent $70 million of the taxpayers' money sniffing Bill Clinton's cock and licking a semen-encrusted blue dress.
We think it's more important to play "gotcha" than to bring the failed war in Iraq to a conclusion.
Republicans
And that's why we voted against a non-binding resolution to immediately remove our troops from Iraq and end the war.
If America had to pick between being in Iraq and having to fight the terrorists in America, they would pick Iraq every time
Ahh, the old discredited "flypaper theory." Eper is now resorting to 2003 talking points.
Remember, the ReThug war isn't in Iraq. It's here. They're not wasting their energies, they know exactly what they're doing.
Xan
I replied to your post on my blog
"I killed a guy in a drunk driving incident."
Laura Bush
I raped Juanita Brodderick.
Bill Clinton
Let's compare police reports... oops! One seems to be missing!
Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.
Mr.Murder
Truly. And El Salvador's former death squads have nothing on Iraq's. Thank you, Mr. Negroponte.
chris/tx - instead of making up speeches, he should be signing up with his recruiter right this minute.
Little chickenshit
The fact is that all plans of surrender will be defeated.
True dat. Which is why only the GOP proposed plans of surrender, while Dems like Murtha propose plans to diffuse the situation in Iraq and being prepared for the future.
"The crazies will demand that Chimpus Dickus “nuke en all and let God sort them out”
Then they will anoint Chimpus Dickus as the greatest living American."
--sally
Luckily, we are not the only nation on the face of the earth that has nuclear power. If we nuke some country, I wouldn't blame another country for nuking us. Not that I'd like it.
Hell, if we nuke any country, think of the fallout. Literally and physically.
My speech yesterday if I was a member of the House.
The sad part is, he's been marching around the basement all day practicing it...
Waaaaah.
Atrios has a social life and we don't.
Daddy come home now! Puleeeeeze!
Would anyone care to hear about how I've donated nearly all my current blood supply to the needy? It's quite interesting and involves needles, several tubes and a high-powered piece of machinery that makes a lot of noise.
It also explains why I won't be participating in any further 'Holiday Activities' until the 11th of March. Except for Hogmanay of course.
I spent $70 million of the taxpayers' money sniffing Bill Clinton's cock and licking a semen-encrusted blue dress.
Ken Starr
Hah! Raping Juanita didn't cost me a penny. Or a moment's sleep. Wheeee!
The Murtha plan is a plan of surrender
it does pay to talk about this stuff to people, a lot of them just aren't aware.
the co-worker didn't know about haliburton either. she was completely outraged!
another outraged liberal!
If America had to pick between being in Iraq and having to fight the terrorists in America, they would pick Iraq every time
Ahh, the old discredited "flypaper theory." Eper is now resorting to 2003 talking points.
We're fighting them in Jordan so we don't have to fight them in Iraq.
If America had to pick between being in Iraq and having to fight the terrorists in America, they would pick Iraq every time
Ahh, the old discredited "flypaper theory." Eper is now resorting to 2003 talking points.
Oops, forgot to change my name back. Eper sodomizes himself with a bunny-shaped vibrator like his hero O'Reilly.
And who could blame me for sodomizing a teenager with a cigar...
Hey idiot, to begin with she was in her 20s.
We'll vote for a bill to bring troops home when it isn't brought to the floor by Republicans playing bullshit "gotcha" games.
And we didn't vote for it because we believe the troops should come home.
Just on principle.
GWPDA,
Now go eat something. A nice rare steak and some orange juice, maybe!
The Murtha plan is a plan of surrender
No, it isn't, actually. But the GOP plan was.
and i'm not giving up on the wingnut. there's hope. she's a decent human being, albeit a little misguided.
Who is Col. Danny Bubp?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...11/19/9737/
0749
But an unanswered question remains, who is this Colonel Danny Bubp, and why does his opinion matter so much to Ms. Schmidt? One would assume that he would possess at least as much military experience as the man he essentially termed a coward, in response to the Congressman's call for the troops in Iraq to return home within six months....
Nearly thirty years in the Marines, and Col. Bubp missed every single military engagement? Southeast Asia? Beirut? Grenada? Panama? Gulf War? The Balkans? Somolia? He even missed embassy service in Paris!
It also explains why I won't be participating in any further 'Holiday Activities' until the 11th of March. Except for Hogmanay of course.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Drat! And I have an old Celtic song in praise of Hogomany!
AT HOME!
Just my luck....
"Hey idiot, to begin with she was in her 20s.
wolf-man | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:22 pm | # "
The Party of Values doesn't seem to include truth or accuracy among its values.
But lies are OK if you're saying them to advance a radical conservative agenda. Those are the good kind of lies. See?
The Murtha plan is a plan of surrender
But I thought the "mission" was already "accomplished." Iraqis have purple fingers and everything. Didn't we win?
"Now go eat something. A nice rare steak and some orange juice, maybe!
Hecate Malificent"
Hmmm.... Steaks are still frozen, but I was thinking about a little linguine with garlic ribbons and tarragon chicken. Don't you want to hear about the machine tho?
Hah! Raping Juanita didn't cost me a penny. Or a moment's sleep. Wheeee!
Bill Clinton | 11.19.05 - 6:21 pm | #
Let me say it again -- any time
you mention this, you reveal yourself
as a lying scumbag and an
overt misognynist.
There's not a shred of evidence
that this happened.
Only scumbag liars keep repeating
it.
You are a scumbag liar.
PS: Wanna talk about the woman
Reagan DEFINITELY raped?
Interesting how trolls "think" that Monica was a teenager, when John Fund actually took advantage of a teenager while attacking Clinton of his sex scandal...
But I thought the "mission" was already "accomplished." Iraqis have purple fingers and everything. Didn't we win?
JK47 | Email | 11.19.05 - 6:25 pm | #
___________________
you can't win when they keep changing the "objective"
But I thought the "mission" was already "accomplished." Iraqis have purple fingers and everything. Didn't we win?
JK47
And because we won there was no option but to vote against a non-binding resolution to bring our troops home immediately.
" It's quite interesting and involves needles, several tubes and a high-powered piece of machinery that makes a lot of noise."
leukophoresis?
GWPDA,
Do you know what happend on Thursday? Le Beaujolais Nouveau est arrivé! I got some today at Whole Foods. Tres bon! It will build your blood right back up in no time.
PS: Wanna talk about the woman
Reagan DEFINITELY raped?
Or how about Arnold's sexcapades?
you can't win when they keep changing the "objective"
her eyes
Well, we'll "win" as soon as W. decides we have.
And he's jealously guarding the prerogative.
GWPDA--
tell about the machine
Don't you want to hear about the machine tho?
Those things scare me....
Interesting how trolls "think" that Monica was a teenager, when John Fund actually took advantage of a teenager while attacking Clinton of his sex scandal...
wolf-man
Fund took advantage of a teenager? Haha! I feel better about raping Juanita.
This will be my final response to trolls, ever.
You fucking moralists!! You condone torture, shove religion up our asses, and only cry foul! when non-christians envoke faith.
You are the biggest hypocritical, non-sensical, ass-backward, cultists the world has ever seen. Stalinists have nothing on you!!
Go away. You've lost the cultural war you started to wage in the 60's. You've had nothing to offer except war, poverty, inflated ego's, and a zealotry that only the crusaders would envy.
Go and shove Lee Greenwood up you ass!!
I'm done.
"Do you know what happend on Thursday? Le Beaujolais Nouveau est arrivé! I got some today at Whole Foods. Tres bon! "
I had some of that on Thursday as well.
It was good. I had to test most of the bottle to make sure, though ^_^
But the extensive testing confirmed...it was good.
I left office with higher approval ratings than W is ever going to see again. I lied about consensual sex with an adult woman because I'm a politician. Nobody died. Bush lies about everything because he's a Republican tool. Thousands die.
Iraq is the new Viet Nam, except we've learned how to lose faster, because of a Republican government. it's too bad there wasn't a Republican congress during Viet Nam; we would have lost much sooner, saving thousands of American lives.
During my second term, I was prevented from defending America against the terrorists ecause a Republican Congress committed treason against the American people. I did manage to capture and imprison the criminals behind the first WTC bombing, but now that Republicans are in charge, that won't happen, since they're in bed with the Bin Laden family. the attacks on 9/11 were only successful because of republican incompetence--or treason.
But, but Reagan was like, God's representative to Red-Meat ReTHUGlicans!
"Fred Barnes and Morton Kondracke
are actually saying we lost in
Vietnam because we didn't nuke them
back to the Stone Age."
steve simels
I would like about five minutes with Fred and Mort as I would demonstrate to them what it feels like to be "nuked back to the Stone Age".
And because we won there was no option but to vote against a non-binding resolution to bring our troops home immediately.
Oh, but there are plenty of other options. For instance, voting for Murtha's resolution to bring the troops home in a manner consistent with force protection after the December elections, say...
Do you know what happend on Thursday? Le Beaujolais Nouveau est arrivé! I got some today at Whole Foods. Tres bon! It will build your blood right back up in no time.
Hecate Malificent
Laissez les bon temps rouler!
Unfortunately, I have such a nasty "second" cold that I'll have to enjoy vicariously.
And because we won there was no option but to vote against a non-binding resolution to bring our troops home immediately.
Democrats
It must really be disorienting when your brain functions like a Mobius strip.
GWPDA - I was wondering where you had got to. You have that special blood that is always in demand, no?
Interesting how trolls "think" that Monica was a teenager, when John Fund
actually took advantage of a teenager while attacking Clinton of his sex
scandal...
wolf-man | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:26 pm | #
Fund knocked up the daughter of
his former lover.
And they still let him on TV.
Conservative values.
Drat! And I have an old Celtic song in praise of Hogomany!
AT HOME!
Just my luck....
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
That's okay - there's still a month or so to go til Hogmanay. Altho I suspect your song involves such things as 'Flee! THere's a black haired man at the doorstep!' or 'I'll not be marrying your ilk even if you do cross the threshhold first' or the all time favorite 'Give me some more whisky!' These things run along predictible lines....
me and my dad have moved onto the Isla Negra
Well, we'll "win" as soon as W. decides we have.
_____________________
when haliburton is rich enough.
it does pay to talk about this stuff to people, a lot of them just aren't aware.
her eyes,
maybe, on the other hand i haven't talked to my brother since the swift liars. but fuck it i never liked him all that much anyway.
i was think'n the other day if it was the civil war i'd probably be able to cap his ass. love the gestalt under bush the uniter.
Lord, Hecate, I do not envy your self-appointed task of crushing the troll heads. Got to be a lot like cracking fleas - tiny and hard-shelled. And slimy too, considering where they keep them. Ewww. Wash up thoroughly after you touch those things. I expect you'll bewanting some vodka too - certainly you'll deserve the good stuff.
The fact is that if we had a Republican congress during Vietnam, we would have won that war easily.
Prove it...
BTW:
The Heritage Foundation says
that the vast majority of American
kids getting killed in Iraq
are middle-class.
And white.
They actually said African-Americans
are under-represented in the death
toll.
OKAY, OKAY, OKAY, so I can't stop feeding the trolls. It's a genetic malady. I was raised by wolves. The sun was in my eyes. I'm only four...
NTodd, Hater of Bogart |
That's why the people who try to keep everyone from feeding trolls are wasting their time and bandwidth. It hasn't happened yet, it isn't going to happen.
They need to just scroll by and live with it. It's a fact of life here.
MarkC -- If you're still around, Laura Rozen has some little nuggets on TRG.
he should be signing up with his recruiter right this minute.
AP - The world record in the 100 meter dash was smashed today by Fred Eper, after being approached by a military recruiter.
Zap,
That was righteous!
They actually said African-Americans
are under-represented in the death
toll.
steve simels
No shit?
George W. Bush has given me all I ever could have dreamed of and more. It's not surprising since he's an old family friend.
I gotta woman,
Way over town,
That's good to me.
"The Heritage Foundation says
that the vast majority of American
kids getting killed in Iraq
are middle-class.
And white."
Well, that doesn't seem correct, but it's probably easy enough to refute if it's not true.
Has it been refuted, or is it actually true? Would be interesting if it was, somehow.
You can tell how desperate the trolls are: They know that they can't refute the iron-clad proof that the Bush administration used torture techniques designed to extract false confessions to obtain fake "evidence," which they then used to sell the war despite knowing full well about the lack of reliability of the information.
So the trollies fall back on dredging up old debunked lies about Bill Clinton. I figured that it was either that or make bogus accusations of "racism!" against somebody.
The trolls' favorite tactic: Accuse their target of violating a rule the target follows, but the troll does not. Hence the spectacle of right-wing racist trolls coming over to Eschaton to call the folks here "racists". Rather like Hitler accusing Churchill of war crimes, and just about as silly. But they don't care if they actually fool anyone, it just gets their tiny little penii hard.
chris/tx: AP - The world record in the 100 meter dash was smashed today by Fred Eper, after being approached by a military recruiter.
He left nothing behind but a trail of shit and a pair of beat-up Chuck Taylors...
.
Candace, only liebrul traitors ask for proof when a ReThug is talking. :D
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
res ipsa loquitur | 11.19.05 - 3:38 pm | #
Yea, "FIERY WRECK!" exactly.
Head-on collision between
the Vice Pres Cheney runamok Train
and
the Pres Bush runamok Train.
Bush the Id says: "I want to go into Iraq"
Cheney the Ego says "I can get that for you"
and no restraining super-ego is around to say "..But not that way."
Firey Wreck.
Fred Eper..two words for you.
Good German!
They actually said African-Americans
are under-represented in the death
toll.
steve simels
It's because all the white people took the last slot...
Fund took advantage of a teenager?
Yes, his girlfriend's daughter, in fact. And unlike your bullshit accusation's about Clinton raping someone (who was bribed to say it by Scafe), this is a proven fact.
Plateletpheresis - they got all my nice rich red blood cells and left this thin plasma-y stuff behind. 42% iron rich, no antibodies, O-, like mainlining pure vanilla... "During pheresis, whole blood is collected from one arm and goes into a machine called a “cell separator.” The blood is spun in the machine to separate the components and a measured amount of the desired component is collected into a special bag." So they get like six bags full of various parts of my components and the machine is going whuff, whuff, whuff, wheeze in three minute cycles.
I'm looking a little pale at the moment. But seriously virtuous.
In GWPDA's honor, I think I will hie myself to Sonic for a large order of onion rings.
.
Richard -- I sent that link to Keith Olbermann. Maybe if enough people do, too, he'll do a little profile on the guy on his show.
I'm not calling for character assassination, I just think it's time for the media to show how tightly knit Rove's noise network is -- and I think the public is ready to hear . . .
charley,
i have a couple of swiftboat liar worshippers on my family, they believed the lies and voted for bush.
i want to ask them how they feel about thier assministration now...both are out of jobs and only 10 more years until retirement. i want to ask them about how they feel now with delay being indicted, libby indicted and frist being investigated.
the problem is they are too stupid to know who or what i'm even talking about.
~Pours GWPDA some beaujolais and moves the ottoman over to her chair~
OT, but the "Our Cats" calendar is in!
Fund knocked up the daughter of
his former lover.
And they still let him on TV.
Conservative values.
steve simels
Isn't he still with the WSJ too?
Ooooh, I'd like some onion rings.... With ketchup!
And the other act of virtue today, Hecate, involved my filing my formal OSC complaint against the villains I won against.... That's going to be a jolly nice Xmas present for them, in their little stockings...
That's okay - there's still a month or so to go til Hogmanay. Altho I suspect your song involves such things as 'Flee! THere's a black haired man at the doorstep!' or 'I'll not be marrying your ilk even if you do cross the threshhold first' or the all time favorite 'Give me some more whisky!' These things run along predictible lines....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
Well, yeah, but I'll forget by then.
And it isn't big on words, actually. IIRC, just repeats certain words over and over again, in a strongly rhythmic pattern.
Obviously meant to be sung by big hairy Scotsmen (I said Celtic, I should have said Gaelic) who have been liberal with the whisky.
American woman,gonna mess your mind.
"both are out of jobs and only 10 more years until retirement. i want to ask them about how they feel now with delay being indicted, libby indicted and frist being investigated."
Yeah, but John Kerry "looked French."
Priorities, you know.
And the other act of virtue today, Hecate, involved my filing my formal OSC complaint against the villains I won against.... That's going to be a jolly nice Xmas present for them, in their little stockings...
GWPDA,
What is OSC? Goon on you. The word needs to get out that doing what they did to you is a bad idea.
PS: Wanna talk about the woman
Reagan DEFINITELY raped?
That would be Selene Walters, right?
Yes, right.
dave™ that calendar is criminally cute
GWPDA - I was wondering where you had got to. You have that special blood that is always in demand, no?
ql in ny
Whatever happened to "iron poor tired blood" anyway?
That was the malady of my childhood, according to all the TV ads, and I expected to have it by now.
But it's gone.
Like smallpox, I guess.
Fund knocked up the daughter of
his former lover.
Nice. Did he drive her to a clinic to get an abortion too?
They actually said African-Americans
are under-represented in the death
toll.
steve simels
No shit?
Billy B | Email | 11.19.05 - 6:33 pm | #
Oh yeah.
GWPDA - have the chicken tonight but get those steaks out of the freezer. Red meat, red wine, plenty of liquids and vitamins.
GWPDA: Ooooh, I'd like some onion rings.... With ketchup!
Absolutely! Ice-cold ketchup, even. Oodles of it.
Not a big fan of Sonic's other treats, though... they have a decent breakfast burrito. I may have that for din-din.
.
"both are out of jobs and only 10 more years until retirement. i want to ask them about how they feel now with delay being indicted, libby indicted and frist being investigated."
Yeah, but John Kerry "looked French."
Yes, but Bush made it illegal for gays to get married. Oh, wait. He didn't even do that. Well, he tried. And, he's "godly."
Geez - I go to the gym for a while, cook a nice dinner, and come back to find the same thread as when I left? What's up with that? Atrios out at the Whole Foods buying more chocolate-covered espresso beans?
At least the trolls are still here.
Whatever happened to "iron poor tired blood" anyway?
It eloped with "the heartbreak of psoriasis".
Whatever happened to "iron poor tired blood" anyway?
It eloped with "the heartbreak of psoriasis".
Max Planck
Isn't modern science wonderful?
Fund knocked up the daughter of
his former lover.
Nice. Did he drive her to a clinic to get an abortion too?
TheOtherWA | Email | 11.19.05 - 6:41 pm | #
No, but he did get caught on tape
trying to persuade her to HAVE
an abortion.
Conservative values!!!
GWPDA need chocolate. stat!
Sheeps, peeps.
.
Whatever happened to "iron poor tired blood" anyway?
geritol
iirc, the greatest generation was also the Geritol generation...
remember Serutan?
remember Serutan?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
"It's 'Natures' spelled backwards."
Ah, a mis-spent youth, indeed....
PS: Wanna talk about the woman
Reagan DEFINITELY raped?
That would be Selene Walters, right?
Yes, right.
Phoenix Woman | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:41 pm | #
Yes, indeedy.
Who -- unlike Brodderick -- is
unencumbered by a husband who
says it never happened.
Thanks, Hecate. I just don't understand...insert troll talking point here.
...that calendar is criminally cute.
It came out nice - the paper's good and the photos came out well. I wanted to see a copy before I posted it...
I found a delicious onion ring recipe a while ago. Soak those mothers in buttermilk before you bread and deep fry them. Yummy. Ate so many I almost made myself sick.
Re the troop deaths by race and class, I'm still digging around, but I wonder if the trolldata comes from this year and half old article. Sounds similar.
the problem is they are too stupid to know who or what i'm even talking about.
her eyes
well, my brothers not stupid,(not exactly brilliant either), but he is a true believer. actually he's not all that sure about bush, but jesus trumps everything, and bush is the jebus boy.
i think he digs the whole holy war aspect of the current administrations Weltanschauung. recipe for disaster if you ask me.
Politician Military Statistics
I find it amazing that those in power who are sending young americans to their deaths and didn't serve in americas armed forces have the nerve to call everyone who opposes the war which has already "accomplished its mission" cowards.
going way back (and OT) re fortune cookies:
"Doing the best at this moment puts you in the best place for the next moment."...in bed!
not only self evident, it's great advice
In the future, use the "in bed" rule
damn have I ever posted on topic?
Was this an open thread?
Oh yeah sorry...here Ntodd I've been wavin this around like a conductor!
L ~Pours GWPDA some beaujolais and moves the ottoman over to her chair~
Yes yes - since GWPDA doesn't have a nice rare steak in the house, she needs lots of good red wine to build her blood back up.
A rat deserting a sinking ship?
On NBC News, Grover Norquist criticizes the chimp for the expense of the war in Iraq and says he must get back to the priorities of cutting taxes and cutting government.
It's not surprising really for someone who wants to reduce government to a size so small it can "be drowned in a bathtub." Not much room in that bathtub for an army of occupation, is there, Grover?
A rat deserting a sinking ship?
On NBC News, Grover Norquist criticizes the chimp for the expense of the war in Iraq and says he must get back to the priorities of cutting taxes and cutting government.
It's not surprising really for someone who wants to reduce government to a size so small it can "be drowned in a bathtub." Not much room in that bathtub for an army of occupation, is there, Grover?
Got in late. Just my two cents.
The "practical" reason not to use torture is that it does not yield truthful information, but more likely to elicit what the tortured thinks the tortuer wants to hear.
On the other hand, maybe that's why the the Bushadmin used it in the first place.
You'd think, by now, they'd learn to steer clear of guys with surnames like Libbi.
Rmj; WGG - Carter's Little Liver Pills -
I found a delicious onion ring recipe a while ago. Soak those mothers in buttermilk before you bread and deep fry them. Yummy. Ate so many I almost made myself sick.
mer
Sounds great. I just had fried green tomatoes. I ate too many as well and sure I will be paying for it later tonight.
WT:
It's Harry Potter et la coupe de feu.
GWPDA - have the chicken tonight but get those steaks out of the freezer. Red meat, red wine, plenty of liquids and vitamins.
Ahianne, hillbilly
Actually, I was thinking seriously about going up to the deli for some chopped liver.... I believe that chopped liver directly supplements the system, providing much needed cholesterol and lipids.
Hecate - Office of Special Counsel.... www.osc.com. It's where you go to complain about civil servants. The nicest part is that I'm not actually asking them to prove or decide anything for themselves. I'm providing them with the results of the federal court system which declares their people are scum and demanding that they take action as a result.
This time of year I always feel especially Scottish. And as a Scot, we all know that payback's the only thing that really counts in the celebration....
"Cog could be a rightwing Democrat who hates centrists like Atrios and Kos." - monica_nyc.
Yes, Daily "screw them" Kos, and Atrios "US military = those of Hitler and Stalin" Black are Centrist Democrats.
Buahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha! Thanks for that one.
"Cog has made me see the light! The greatest evil confronting the US is Atrios!"
Not the U.S. moonbat, the Democratic party. But we all know that fund raising trumps honesty and integrity in the current political arena.
I replied to your post on my blog
ql in ny
ql, saw it, thanks. I will check out your theory that sewing machine threading procedure has not changed in the last 80 years or so--although this may require me to visit a Mal-Wart (only place around here that sells the contraptions) so a clerk can walk me through the procedure a few times.
Maybe Thursday would be a good time for this, that's usually a slow shopping day isn't it?
*hangs head in shame at wickedness*
On NBC News, Grover Norquist criticizes the chimp for the expense of the war in Iraq and says he must get back to the priorities of cutting taxes and cutting government.
Norquist can go suck Fred Eper's dick. He's a traitor, actively working to undermine and destroy the U.S. Government. He should be taking a dick up his ass in jail.
"And frankly, Cog, you really don't make any points besides you have nothing but loathing for anyone who disagrees with you and can't argue in any form besides insults and name-calling. I must thank you, for I will know to ignore you from now on, as nothing you have to say has any weight behind it all besides anger and hate." - Matt T.
Insults and name calling? Anger and hate? You do realize what website you are on right?
And feel free to ignore me. You have a ways to go before you master the art of distortion and mischaracterization that your arguments attempt to represent.
Oh, and here is a quick shout out to the dozen or so Fake Cogs. Kind of funny that 3 or 4 fumbled when trying to impersonate this handle last week.
And fuck off, Cog. You're right, we DO hate you here.
Kind of funny that 3 or 4 fumbled when trying to impersonate this handle last week.
Cog | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 7:22 pm | #
Yeah. Not enough rich, insane cogginess.
Yeah. Not enough rich, insane cogginess.
Right, I new right away they were fake. Way too coherent.
Insults and name calling? Anger and hate? You do realize what website you are on right?
Not really concerned about the rest of the website, just discourse between you and me. I asked honest questions and you responded with victimization and invective, so why should I pay any attention to what you say on any level. Far all I know, all of what you said about Atrios is complete and total lies.
And feel free to ignore me. You have a ways to go before you master the art of distortion and mischaracterization that your arguments attempt to represent.
Again, you assume to much. Just as well, since you apparently don't want to engage in any sort of discourse beyond hurling nastiness at people who don't agree with you. And the funny thing is, you don't even know if I would've disagreed with you, since you don't really say anything beyond hatred for the website owner.
Look at it this way, boy. You had the opportunity to actually present your opinions and ideas on the pertinent topics of the day to someone who would not only listen to what you had to say, but would actually consider it. I would have thought about it some. However, you're apparently so thin-skinned you assumed that I was merely attacking another troll and responded in kind...and still didn't really say anything of substance.
You had the opportunity to actually perhaps change someone's mind, and you blew it. Remember that, because all you really did was prove that you are indeed what the regulars here say you are: nothing but a troll with absolutely nothing to say, only trying to stir up shit.
If that's your idea of debate, my friend, you are welcome to it. You got nothing else, apparently.
How much worse does it get?
The Bushboy regime tortured people to provide a pretext for going to war.
Bushboy & Cheneychins should not only be impeached but jailed as war criminals.
Well, what will Fitzgerald do next week? What about this Woodward? What's next? What's the score?
"both are out of jobs and only 10 more years until retirement. i want to ask them about how they feel now with delay being indicted, libby indicted and frist being investigated."
Yeah, but don't you know it's Jane Fonda's fault their job went to China, Kerry windsurfed, and Michael Moore is fat.(/wingnut)
Imagine if we had a president today whose biggest drawback is being excessively wordy and boring in his speeches.
You just don't understand it. That example of torture everybody is so wired about is a normal Friday night for me, except that I happily pay for the Crisco and gladly lick up my own mess. Waste not, want not, I always say.
Lol!
Great post, I diaried about it at kos because the more that read about this, the better.
The idea that the Bushites used the "fruits" of torture to lie some more to the American people is especially apt.
They use torture techniqes designed to extract false confessions to obtain that "evidence ..."
Torture techniques? Don't you mean just plain old - torture?
"I asked honest questions and you responded with victimization and invective, so why should I pay any attention to what you say on any level." - Matt T.
"Are you saying that there WMD's reason was valid?"
"Are you saying the other reason's put up at the time (there weren't many others, really, as most of 'em either had to do with a connection al Qaeda or the apparently phantom WMD's) were valid and we're just not hearing about them?"
"Are you also saying there's not been examples of U.S. officials using methods we'd consider "torture" if they were used against U.S. troops?"
"Or are you saying, either way, torture is okay?"
Honest questions. Riiiiiight. The first pretty straightforward, there was more than WMDs referenced as the rationale for removing Saddam. Your question is definitely an honest response to that.
The second ignores about half of the reasons cited by Bush in the state of the union and Powell in front of the UNSC and you added your own phantom reason that was cited by neither Bush or Powell.
The third is asking a question completely different than the point I referenced from Atrios. Atrios took one example, distorted what actually happened, and used it to describe the systematic torture by the US, and even went so far as to use it to make Hilter/Stalin comparisons.
The fourth is just laughably stupid. But nice try though.
In no way were those "honest questions". Your outrage over the language here is kind of humorous. The Fake Cogs have my back in that department.
Nada más y nada menos
remember when george bush was gonna amend the constitution to stop the gays?
notice how that went away real quick?
This administration is jewish bolshevism, not fascism. What has this administration done in our national interest?
so i know i'm coming in on this a little late and all, but i have a request. the next time anyone gives a the defense of torture based on 'the terrorists are and saddam was so much worse!' it should be given the shorthand of 'the nambla defense' in reference to the 'mr. show' skit where an ad agency was being given an award for best image turnaround for rebranding nambla with the slogal 'nambla: we're not killers!'
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