Off for the onion rings!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.19.05 - 6:45 pm | #
Let history show that yesterday, the Republican party introduced a congressional resolution to withdraw all troops from Iraq immediately.
Max Power |
11.19.05 - 6:45 pm | #
Hey, can we return this Guitar George creature back to its owner? It seems to have wandered away and gotten lost.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 6:45 pm | #
another open thread?! atrios has a poor work ethic
Springtime for Bush |
11.19.05 - 6:46 pm | #
I hear you guys are having problems recruiting soldiers for your military. That's funny, because our recruitment over here at Al-Qaeda is at an all-time high.
Thanks again, George W. Bush! You truly are a great friend to the bin Laden family. Allah thanks you as well.
Osama |
11.19.05 - 6:50 pm | #
To make a long story short: Toby's penis.
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WalterNeff |
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11.19.05 - 6:51 pm | #
Does Mark Riley's contract with Air America run out at the same time that Marc Maron's does, at the end of November?
And is the morning show that the NYT said that AAR is going to give to Rachel Maddow going to take the place of "Morning Sedition"?
monica_nyc |
11.19.05 - 6:51 pm | #
Nobody on the planet is doing more to advance my cause as George W. Bush. I could just kiss him.
Osama
Nobody on the planet is doing more to advance Guitar George's cause than Zarqawi.
And if you think Atrios is lazy, how bout them Republican Congress-critters serving up Strawmen and batting away at them.
Guess the radical right is taking their cues from the willfully stupid demographic of the Pajamas Media.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 6:51 pm | #
All this talk of food and I haven't had dinner yet.
Ahianne, hillbilly |
11.19.05 - 6:51 pm | #
Based on my spam, it appears that there are a lot of Christians who have serious debt and date problems...
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 6:51 pm | #
I am the Lizard King, I can do anything!
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 6:52 pm | #
To make a long story short: Toby's penis.
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WalterNeff | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:51 pm
I have no idea what this means,
but it made me laugh anyway....
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 6:53 pm | #
I LOVE the Guess Who.
I love "Share the Land" - always get a tear in my eye when I hear Burton sing "Maybe I'll be there to share the land that they'll be giving away when we all live together..."
There's a version of 'em appearing out my way soon... any idea who's in it (I doubt Cummings or Bachman are involved)?
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 6:53 pm | #
Based on my spam, it appears that there are a lot of Christians who have serious debt and date problems...
You are so lucky to be half-Jewish.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 6:53 pm | #
To make a long story short: Toby's penis.
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WalterNeff
I hear it's over shadowed by belly button lint.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 6:53 pm | #
Decribes me in spades.
Zap Rowsdower |
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11.19.05 - 6:57 pm | #
Can we help? Should I call the red cross?
No, no, it's obviously God's Will - who are we to interfere?
I don't get Christian spam. I wonder why.
You're probably on the "Don't Bother - Definitely Going To Hell" list. I just don't know why I'm not.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 6:57 pm | #
Apropos of last thread, here's the breakdown by ethnicity of Iraq troop deaths. Pretty close to 74% white. Don't know yet what the distribution by ethnicity is of the troops serving in Iraq is though, which would be the appropriate comparison. No info there on class, and no breakdown of the wounded by class or ethnicity.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 6:58 pm | #
The hurtin's on me,
I will never be free,
You gave a promise to me, yeah,
And you broke it.
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 6:58 pm | #
Continuing from that last thread-I somehow missed the whole John Fund scandal. Here's a LINK that explains a lot, in case anyone else here is interested.
TheOtherWA |
11.19.05 - 6:58 pm | #
these eyes....are crying..
her eyes |
11.19.05 - 6:59 pm | #
steve simels,
Regarding Orson Welles's un-hotness in Touch of Evil, it was makeup. They padded his belly and stuffed cotton in his cheeks to make him look jowly.
hamletta |
11.19.05 - 6:59 pm | #
Christian singles spam. European lotteries. Nigerian letters. And. just in the last couple days, I have started to get the penis enlargement ads.
Ahianne, hillbilly |
11.19.05 - 6:59 pm | #
(is your favorite Neocon a hero?)
Marc |
11.19.05 - 7:00 pm | #
You're probably on the "Don't Bother - Definitely Going To Hell" list. I just don't know why I'm not.
Eli
But I'm nice, I don't smack very many people, I take in strays...
Screw it, I'd rather go to hell anyway.
Marcia Brady ∞ |
11.19.05 - 7:00 pm | #
WGG:
Burton Cummings.
AND Randy Bachman.
Plus great songs....
The Guess Who were a really good
band.
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:00 pm | #
Another 5 US soldiers killed today: That's a total of 62+ for November.
Nur al-Cubicle |
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11.19.05 - 7:00 pm | #
Well, the leaves in the front yard are all raked. I've been to the grocery store and dinner's cooked and cleaned up. Miss Thing is cuddled up here with me. The Goddiess is immanent and all's right with the world.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:01 pm | #
But I'm nice, I don't smack very many people, I take in strays...
Exactly. Clearly not a Christian. Or at least not Our Kind Of Christian.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:01 pm | #
Regarding Orson Welles's un-hotness in Touch of Evil, it was makeup. They
padded his belly and stuffed cotton in his cheeks to make him look jowly.
hamletta | 11.19.05 - 6:59 pm | #
Honest to god?
That's amazing....I had no idea.
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:02 pm | #
Hecate, do you ever get any spam for Pagan Debt Relief or Find Pagan Singles In Your Area?
That goes for any other denomination - I *only* see them for Christians.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:02 pm | #
Christian singles spam. European lotteries. Nigerian letters. And. just in the last couple days, I have started to get the penis enlargement ads.
Lately, I'm getting tons of ads for fake rolexes. And notices that I've won a lottery. I don't wear watches and I don't buy lottery tickets.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:03 pm | #
Based on my spam, it appears that there are a lot of Christians who have serious debt and date problems...
That's because so many Christians (Evangelicals, at least) are failed fucking LOSERS. That's the beauty of being "born again." It erases all of your fuckups and failures. Plus you get to meet a bunch of square, non-getting laid morons, so you never feel alone in your pathetic, meaningless life.
Against my better judgment, I watched the Mark David Chapman thing on Dateline last night. And what do you know, it turns out that the killer of John Lennon was a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. The ultimate fat, selfish, impotent fucking loser of all time was a Jeebus freak.
The fundies like to talk about how the liberals want to "outlaw Christianity." Sometimes I think that would be a great idea. But then what would all of these losers do with their spare time?
Christians have the worst haircuts, the worst fashion sense, the worst popular culture I have ever seen. It's so twisted and bizarre, it's almost avant-garde. Left Behind? Amy Grant? Kirk Cameron? Need I say any more? LOSERS.
JK47 |
11.19.05 - 7:03 pm | #
Eli,
Not enough Pagans to make Pagan spam worthwhile, I guess.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:03 pm | #
I'm of a mind to make some mookie.
Careful, you might start oozing again.
"Does it hurt?"
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:03 pm | #
But I'm nice, I don't smack very many people, I take in strays...
Exactly. Clearly not a Christian. Or at least not Our Kind Of Christian.
Eli
One of the most Christian people I've ever met was an avowed atheist.
"Jesus wept."
I use him in my sermons, as an example.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus |
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11.19.05 - 7:04 pm | #
JeffCO, was looking earlier today, most recent count I could find was 55,000 medical evacuations from Iraq. That's 27 and a half brigades? Looks like we're already withdrawing via transfer tubes and medivacs.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 7:04 pm | #
I always liked The Guess Who's Friends of Mine, despite not doing drugs.
In Flanders Fields the poppies grow
between the crosses row on row
to mark the dead
To Flanders Fields the hippies go
to smoke the poppies there below
and feed their heads
And they're all friends of mine,
each and every one of them, no better or no worse
And we'll probably end up down there together when it's all over
And that's why we say
b-bay-b-bay-b-bay-b-bay-b-baby ...
It's all over and it's all right.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 7:05 pm | #
One of the most Christian people I've ever met was an avowed atheist.
If we had more Christians like you and Diane and Prior A (and I suspect a whole bunch more "stealth Christians" that hang out here), we would have a lot fewer wars, and a lot fewer Republicans.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:06 pm | #
Regarding Orson Welles's un-hotness in Touch of Evil, it was makeup. They padded his belly and stuffed cotton in his cheeks to make him look jowly.
hamletta - 6:59 pm
not unlike brando's godfather...
a touch of evil's a really good flick
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka |
11.19.05 - 7:07 pm | #
Regarding Orson Welles's un-hotness in Touch of Evil, it was makeup. They padded his belly and stuffed cotton in his cheeks to make him look jowly.
The makeup work in both "Touch of Evil" and "Citizen Kane" is amazing. Welles is totally believable as an old Charles Foster Kane, despite the fact that he was 24. Of course, it says a lot about Welles' awesome gifts as an actor. The decrepit body language he uses in "Touch of Evil" shows you the rottenness of the character within.
Welles is my favorite director of all time, and would have certainly been the greatest director that ever lived, bar none, had the studios not sabotaged his career. They don't make geniuses like that anymore.
JK47 |
11.19.05 - 7:08 pm | #
Regarding Orson Welles's un-hotness in Touch of Evil, it was makeup. They padded his belly and stuffed cotton in his cheeks to make him look jowly.
Just before that, Welles made a movie called "Man in the Shadow" with Jeff Chandler. Check it out - you'll be shocked at how young Welles looked (btw, he was barely 40 at the time)!
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:08 pm | #
I never get things about Xian debt consolidation (I can't own anything so I can't be in debt) nor for Xian dating (not supposed to do that either), but I prolly don't qualify as a Xian for these folks, anyway (but how do they know thse things)
OTOH, I do get mailings from the American Jewish World Service ("We are all spiritual Semites" Archbishop of Canterbury opening the Church of England Synod (& quoting Pope Pius XI)
Prior Aelred |
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11.19.05 - 7:08 pm | #
... You'll take my hand
And you'll look at me adoringly ...
monica_nyc |
11.19.05 - 7:09 pm | #
She said, "Love. Lord above. Now you're tryin' to trick me in love."
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 7:09 pm | #
Simon Callow's Welles biography is a must read - I can see it on the shelf from where I sit.
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WalterNeff |
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11.19.05 - 7:09 pm | #
most recent count I could find was 55,000 medical evacuations from Iraq.
Where did you find that? On the Army Medical Corps site? I hadn't checked since last year (when it was at about 22k) because they seemed to stop updating it.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:10 pm | #
That's amazing....I had no idea.
steve simels
I use that excuse all the time
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 7:10 pm | #
I couldn't watch the Mark Chapman thing; I couldn't watch when he first appeared on TV several years ago.
He puts all of my bleeding-heart beliefs to the test. I try not to think about him, I don't want to hear a single goddamned thing he has to say.
John Lennon was not flawless, but I will always regard his wanton murder by this nut as irredeemably heinous and tragic.
Little Brøther |
11.19.05 - 7:10 pm | #
I use that excuse all the time
I always ugly myself up so that the beautiful women won't be intimidated by me.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:11 pm | #
A rat deserting a sinking ship?
On NBC News, Grover Norquist criticizes the chimp for the expense of the war in Iraq and says he must get back to the priorities of cutting taxes and cutting government.
It's not surprising really for someone who wants to reduce government to a size so small it can "be drowned in a bathtub." Not much room in that bathtub for an army of occupation, is there, Grover?
JT |
11.19.05 - 7:11 pm | #
BTW, they may have put cotton in Welles' cheeks to make him look more jowly, but he was plenty jowly to begin with, at least in "Man in the Shadow."
As he got older, I think the jowliness was the one thing his numerous crash dieting escapades could no longer erase...
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:11 pm | #
Wheeee......
GWPDA - have the chicken tonight but get those steaks out of the freezer. Red meat, red wine, plenty of liquids and vitamins.
Ahianne, hillbilly
Actually, I was thinking seriously about going up to the deli for some chopped liver.... I believe that chopped liver directly supplements the system, providing much needed cholesterol and lipids.
Hecate - Office of Special Counsel.... www.osc.com. It's where you go to complain about civil servants. The nicest part is that I'm not actually asking them to prove or decide anything for themselves. I'm providing them with the results of the federal court system which declares their people are scum and demanding that they take action as a result.
This time of year I always feel especially Scottish. And as a Scot, we all know that payback's the only thing that really counts in the celebration....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 7:11 pm | #
Peel me a grape, crush me some ice
Skin me a peach, save the fuzz for my pillow ...
monica_nyc |
11.19.05 - 7:12 pm | #
At the EschaCon I remarked to karmic_jay (anyone seen him around recently?) that Gandhi was one of the outstanding Xians of the 20th century -- it's not what you pretend to believe, it is how you live your life
There was a recent news release about a mega-church pastor whose congregation turned against him when he started preaching a Gospel of love -- the local Episcopal Church let him use their worship space
Prior Aelred |
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11.19.05 - 7:12 pm | #
Ntodd , didn't bookmark it had to google for 10 minutes to find it.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 7:12 pm | #
one of my favorite lyrics:
"just a world that we all must share...not enough just to stand and stare...
is it only a dream that there'll be no more turning away."
her eyes |
11.19.05 - 7:12 pm | #
Welles is my favorite director of all time, and would have certainly been the greatest director that ever lived, bar none, had the studios not sabotaged his career. They don't make geniuses like that anymore.
Like many geniuses, he pissed off and threatened a lot of people. Alas.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:13 pm | #
i do believe my copufer is conspiring against me as this post has been up for 2o mins, and i've been check'n every 5 mins.
this is a seriously long article
>but worth the read, the rendon group. meet big brother.
at least read the last half, tho the origin is interesting.
charley |
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11.19.05 - 7:13 pm | #
GWPDA,
Good for you! As I said below, the word needs to get out that it's not ok to be a sexist asshole and that it will be more trouble for you in the end. I hope they throw the book at those guys.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:13 pm | #
I always ugly myself up so that the beautiful women won't be intimidated by me.
Eli
Yep. I wear ice cubes in my shorts so as not to intimidate both men and women.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:13 pm | #
OK -- gotta go to recreation (am late)
Maybe after Compline I will see youse guys
Prior Aelred |
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11.19.05 - 7:14 pm | #
OK -- gotta go to recreation (am late)
Maybe after Compline I will see youse guys
Prior Aelred |
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11.19.05 - 7:14 pm | #
Simon Callow's Welles biography is a must read...
Indeed!
I've got a nice little book put out a hundred years ago by Joseph McBride called simply "Orson Welles." It's a critical analysis of all Welles' films, but the best part is the first chapter, where McBride describes his experience working with Welles for a couple of days while he was shooting the (still unseen) "Other Side of the Wind."
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:14 pm | #
There was a recent news release about a mega-church pastor whose congregation turned against him when he started preaching a Gospel of love -- the local Episcopal Church let him use their worship space
I remember a quote from one of Fred Phelps' looney followers talking about how the whole "God of love" thing was a pernicious & evil myth.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:14 pm | #
I said this before, but I'm
stunned....
The live Springsteen concert on
the new 30th
BORN TO RUM package
is the most emotionallly devastating
live rock video ever.
And it's only PARTLY as good as
Bruce was back then.
I almost fainted a couple of times
from how good it is....
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:15 pm | #
mega-church pastor whose congregation turned against him when he started preaching a Gospel of love -- the local Episcopal Church let him use their worship space
G-d radical Piskies.... The IRS'll show 'em, those Pasadena types with Archbp Tutu and priests telling people that a vote should be used responsibly and in accord with the principles of US democracy....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 7:15 pm | #
At the EschaCon I remarked to karmic_jay (anyone seen him around recently?) that Gandhi was one of the outstanding Xians of the 20th century -- it's not what you pretend to believe, it is how you live your life
Prior Aelred
Except for that whole racism thing he had going while living in South Africa was it?
No wonder that episode of Bullshit was pulled from rotation. Ghandhi, Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama had their pasts dug up.
A real eye opener.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:16 pm | #
Candidate Byrd Response
"I said last night that Tuesday was a sad day for Kirkwood and Des Peres and I meant that," said Byrd on Wednesday.
Yoohoo it's me
My name is Pinkie Lee...
yadda yadda yadda yaddee
surely you're not old enough to remember THE Pinkie Lee...gayer than Uncle Miltie!!!
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka |
11.19.05 - 7:16 pm | #
What would happen if they tried to make Comparative Religion a required high school course?
OK, besides winger and fundie heads exploding...
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 7:16 pm | #
For Republicans, lying is a family value.
Richard |
11.19.05 - 7:17 pm | #
I often wonder if the skeletons in my closet are gay.
At the EschaCon I remarked to karmic_jay (anyone seen him around recently?) that Gandhi was one of the outstanding Xians of the 20th century -- it's not what you pretend to believe, it is how you live your life
He was also one of the outstanding Jews and Muslims.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:17 pm | #
Liver works too if you can find a way that you like it. I think I'm going to exit real soon and feed the kitties and myself.
Ahianne, hillbilly |
11.19.05 - 7:18 pm | #
surely you're not old enough to remember THE Pinkie Lee...gayer than Uncle Miltie!!!
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka
Gotta Tootsie Roll on ya?
I remnember it as "It's who? It's me! It's Pinky Lee!"
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 7:18 pm | #
I remember a quote from one of Fred Phelps' looney followers talking about how the whole "God of love" thing was a pernicious & evil myth.
Eli
The other day there was actually a nice subway preacher, talking about love and forgiveness. Usually we get the screechy, sex-bad-gays-worse-you're-gonna-burn proselytizers.
Marcia Brady ∞ |
11.19.05 - 7:18 pm | #
I hope they throw the book at those guys.
Hecate Malificent
The fun part was naming in the complaint two people who really imagine their part in the affair has escaped notice and retribution. It hasn't. But what's really most pleasant is in closing the door on the whole business, finally. If OSC takes action, they do - if not, not. But it's done now, wrapped up and tied with ribands and over. And be damned to them all.
Could I have another little bit of that beaujolais?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 7:18 pm | #
And as a Scot, we all know that payback's the only thing that really counts in the celebration....
your talk'n about money right? cause as an irishman i feel that way too. but it's not that important, indeed it's more important to be right, even when you aren't.
tho i'm certain you were.
charley |
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11.19.05 - 7:18 pm | #
Except for that whole racism thing he had going while living in South Africa was it?
No wonder that episode of Bullshit was pulled from rotation. Ghandhi, Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama had their pasts dug up.
A real eye opener.
Why do some folks keep hoping that human beings won't be human?
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:19 pm | #
The live Springsteen concert on
the new 30th
BORN TO RUM package
is the most emotionallly devastating
live rock video ever.
And it's only PARTLY as good as
Bruce was back then.
I almost fainted a couple of times
from how good it is....
steve simels
Screw that it's Joplin in Monterey Pop. She sent shivers down my spine how into it she was. Even Mama cass was caught making a comment on her. Silent but you can understand what she is saying.
In the late seventies early eighties I saw Bruce at a college concert. Probably less than 1500 people. I was third row on the left. Just far enough for a good view and close enogh to see details.
Amazing. It was before the River came out.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:19 pm | #
And I was a Tootsie Roll-a-holic as a kid. I woulda loved one of those 3 foot long, 25 pound jobbies. Probably fake, though...
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 7:19 pm | #
The live Springsteen concert on
the new 30th
BORN TO RUM package
Except for that whole racism thing he had going while living in South Africa was it?
No wonder that episode of Bullshit was pulled from rotation. Ghandhi, Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama had their pasts dug up.
A real eye opener.
Why do some folks keep hoping that human beings won't be human?
Hecate Malificent
Why do some people create myths about others?
I prefer mine real and honest.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:20 pm | #
Liver works too if you can find a way that you like it. I think I'm going to exit real soon and feed the kitties and myself.
Ahianne, hillbilly
I love chopped liver, with black rye and really, really thinly sliced onions. My bestest treat.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 7:20 pm | #
Usually we get the screechy, sex-bad-gays-worse-you're-gonna-burn proselytizers.
If only there was a ban on proselytituion.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:20 pm | #
Hey, I just got a letter from a soldier in Iraq who has access to one of Saddam's hidden bank accounts. If I could just send him my bank account number, he'll give me a full 50%. More than usual.
It makes a change from the Nigeria and the funds of a deposed leader OR the banker with the late client who died without heirs or a will OR the dying woman who wants to make sure a Christian gets her huge estate . . .
I get about three a day, some in French. Maybe you guys know. Are there any governmental types who give a damn about all the phishing? Anyone to whom I can forward all this email?
kate |
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11.19.05 - 7:20 pm | #
Rumors have already circulated that McClellan will soon take the big stroll down pink slip alley, and I really don't see how he can survive this. He's already been a human pinata for the likes of David Gregory and Terry Moran for months now, and there has been no gaggle since November 6. The decision by the White House to break its own rule means that nobody this side of Les Kinsolving is going to provide Scottie with any shelter from the storm. Although the next gaggle should sure be some entertaining fodder for Crooks & Liars, McClellen was effectively neutered by the announcement.
monica_nyc |
11.19.05 - 7:21 pm | #
kate,
I believe, no kidding, that it's the Secret Service that investigates these scams.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:21 pm | #
Sometimes you scare me...
Marcia Brady ∞ |
11.19.05 - 7:23 pm | #
Here's a dkos diary that discusses something that I've been thinking for a while, that the Woodward story and the Rove giving Fitzgerald "pause" story may be connected...
Here is my take on the Woodward part of the leak story. I think there is a very simple explanation which cuts through all the convoluted twists and turns.
Recall that the key defense of Rove, Libby et. al., all along has been that they heard about Plame from chatter among reporters. They were no doubt relying on the prevailing custom of not revealing confidential sources to save their ass. But Libby got nailed on this because Russert spoiled his ruse.
Now comes Rove's turn on the hot seat, about to be indicted, and what does he do to save his own ass? He comes up with "new" information to cause Fritz to "pause". There being no honor among thieves, he rats on Mr. X. Why? Because (a) he knows as a fact that Mr. X had talked with Woodward, and (b) he thinks he can rely on Woodward the "reporter" to verify a conversation in which he could claim that Woodward told him about Plame.
Next step. Fitz takes a "pause" to clear up the loose ends, hoping that it will allow him to tighten the noose. Mr X realizing that Rove may have ratted on him offers to give a report to Fitz about his side of the story. Fitz calls in Woodward to allow him to give his side of the story.
Mr X, who has already testified to the grand jury and did not reveal his conversation with Woodward, is now in jeopardy for lying and obstruction - same charges as Libby. Plus other possible charges on espionage and revealing classified information.
Is Rove free and clear? Not yet, unless Woodward is prepared to go to bat for him and, in the process, give up Mr. X as the sacrificial lamb. Besides, Fritz undoubtedly has other leads on Rove (e.g. Cooper's testimony) to rope him in.
So, the key question remains: what game is Woodward prepared to play?
Now, here's the ironic twist. If Woodward gives up Mr X, he could well emerge again as the one who broke the back of another -gate story, i.e. Plame-gate.
My thought is that Mr X is either Hadley or Fleitz.
The moral of this story? Don't count out Woodward just yet: access journalism pays handsomely. The down-side for him is that he now emerges with dirty hands for having cooperated all along with the conspiracy.
Richard |
11.19.05 - 7:25 pm | #
Charlie & The Chocolate factory is awesome.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 7:25 pm | #
And as a Scot, we all know that payback's the only thing that really counts in the celebration....
your talk'n about money right? cause as an irishman i feel that way too. but it's not that important, indeed it's more important to be right, even when you aren't.
tho i'm certain you were.
charley
Charley, for me, it's come to be a matter almost of balance, of equity - the balancing of books is one thing, of sin and redemption, or forward movement with stasis. When harm's been done, great or small, to let it go without balancing it somehow seems to add to the world's grief. The balancing isn't always a question of right or wrong or more or less. But at the beginning of the year, things should be redd up and made decent, as best as one can.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 7:25 pm | #
I hate to keep flogging this, but
I'm almost beyond speech on how
good it is.
If you you saw Bruce back then,
this is the show you remember.
It gets his humor, among other
things.
I cried at least twice watching it.
How many rock shows can you say
that about?
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:26 pm | #
off hand does any keep track of how much federal money is going to Dobson,roberts, et al..
I'm still thinking RICO. Just waiting for the Earle/DeLay thing to merge with the Abramoff investigation. All road lead to Rove.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 7:26 pm | #
I cried at least twice watching it.
How many rock shows can you say
that about?
Except for that whole racism thing he had going while living in South Africa was it?
Um, could you elaborate?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:27 pm | #
If only there was a ban on proselytituion.
Eli
Well, couldn't we at least put them in tacky pink trailers out past the city limits, and make 'em get all their shots?
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 7:27 pm | #
I prefer mine real and honest.
Well, aren't you special.
I've got your honesty and realism right here.
pie |
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11.19.05 - 7:27 pm | #
I prefer mine real and honest.
So you've studied satyagraha and understand that nobody, not even Gandhi, holds a monopoly on the truth, right?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:29 pm | #
From Schmidt's First Speech in Congress 09/06/05:
"This House has much work to do. On that we can all agree. We will not always agree on the details of that work. Honorable people can certainly agree to disagree. However, here today I accept a second oath. I pledge to walk in the shoes of my colleagues and refrain from name-calling or the questioning of character. It is easy to quickly sink to the lowest form of political debate. Harsh words often lead to headlines, but walking this path is not a victimless crime. This great House pays the price."
These extremist conservative's would be funny if they weren't taking us to hell.
Pinky Lee |
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11.19.05 - 7:29 pm | #
I cried at least twice watching it.
How many rock shows can you say
that about?
The Moodies, every time John Lodge opened his mouth...
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 7:29 pm | #
Eli:
Quarterflash?
You are one mean SOB.
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:30 pm | #
Screw that it's Joplin in Monterey Pop. She sent shivers down my spine how into it she was. Even Mama cass was caught making a comment on her. Silent but you can understand what she is saying.
Guided by Voices at the Great American Music Hall, 1995 Alien Lanes tour, classic pre-Cobra Verde lineup. I was 23 and that's a show I'll never forget. It was as if all 800 kids there were in on some kind of beautiful secret. I'm too young to have witnessed what in my mind must have been the greatest tour of all time-- Bob Dylan in the UK, 1966. One acoustic set, one incendiary live set with The Band.
Springsteen is great and all, but I always kind of felt he tried a little too hard and lacked any kind of a sense of humor. I like my rock stars wry and detached... like Dylan or Lennon. Bruce was always a little too eager to please to me.
Janis, on the other hand, is like nails on a chalkboard to me. My ex-wife was a hippie and loved Janis, the Dead and worst of all, Jefferson Airplane. That hippie blooze-jam shit... uggh.
JK47 |
11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
Ed Wood now has competition for Burton's best movie.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
I cried at least twice watching it.
How many rock shows can you say
that about?
The Moodies, every time John Lodge opened his mouth...
Seen the Moodies twice, both times with my dad. Indeed they were great.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
While he was heftier than he had been at 24, in no way does he resemble the odious lump he played in Touch of Evil. In that one, he looked like somebody rolled him in used motor oil.
hamletta |
11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
Quarterflash?
You are one mean SOB.
Just hard-hearted.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
I love chopped liver, with black rye and really, really thinly sliced onions. My bestest treat.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
only way I like liver is coated in corn meal & fried w/ onions. Then a sandwich with thin sliced onion & mayo. on 12 grain or rye.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
Just waiting for the Earle/DeLay thing to merge with the Abramoff investigation. All road lead to Rove.
And did everyone see that The Venerable Bunnatine Greenhouse's complaints about the various Halliburton contracts are now being investigated? I'm so pleased....
"Halliburton Allegations Sent to Justice Department, Dorgan Says
Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Defense Department's inspector general's office referred findings in connection with a probe into Halliburton Co. contracts to the Justice Department, according to a statement from Senator Byron Dorgan.
A former contracting officer's ``allegations about wrongdoing'' in connection with Halliburton's Kellogg, Brown and Root unit were referred ``for further criminal investigation,'' Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, said on his Web site.
``The DOJ is in the process of considering whether to pursue the matter,'' a letter from John R. Crane, Pentagon assistant inspector general, to Dorgan said, the Washington Post reported.
The allegations of contract abuses arose from June 27 testimony by Bunnatine Greenhouse, principal assistant responsible for contracting for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, before the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, Dorgan, who is chairman of the committee, said in the statement.
Greenhouse held her job until August of this year, when she was removed following a warning from the unit's general counsel that testifying on contracting would ``not be in my best interest,'' according to separate testimony she gave before the committee on Sept. 16."
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
There is a Sagittarius growing on the Presidency.
notch |
11.19.05 - 7:32 pm | #
Did fester go back to the ashram to masturbate?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:32 pm | #
I cried at least twice watching it. How many rock shows can you say
that about?
When I saw Garbage on their 2.0 tour I was right near the stage when Shirley decided to flash her bright orange undies for a while. I don't think I cried, but I was definitely leaking fluid from somewhere.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 7:32 pm | #
As a young man, I cried twice on my first visit to a certain kind of movie theater-- during a filmed performance by Honeysuckle Devine.
Those ping-pong balls might just as well have popped straight out of the screen and dinged me square in the eyeballs.
Little Brøther |
11.19.05 - 7:32 pm | #
From Schmidt's First Speech in Congress 09/06/05:
"This House has much work to do. On that we can all agree. We will not always agree on the details of that work. Honorable people can certainly agree to disagree. However, here today I accept a second oath. I pledge to walk in the shoes of my colleagues and refrain from name-calling
Well, that's just swell, ya fucking whore bitch!
Buzz Bomb |
11.19.05 - 7:33 pm | #
I laughed several times while reading this story, from August 10...
...Interviewing President George W. Bush for his book "Plan of Attack" was "not typical," said Woodward, who is assistant managing editor at the Washington Post. Answering 500 questions, the president was very direct and used weighty words like "duty" and "zeal" to describe "liberating people." Woodward spoke of Bush's intense belief that what he is doing is right and how overcoming obstacles made him even more determined.
"It was almost a mind trip on how he looks at things and what he values," Woodward said.
Woodward refrained from ultimately judging Bush, noting that, "If you go back into history you'll find many instances of presidents making unpopular decisions. History teaches you that the most important trait a president can have is simply courage, and courage often means walking the road alone." ...
He theorized that Hillary Clinton would earn the Democratic nomination in 2008 and would run against Dick Cheney, and he rejected the likelihood of a third party being a threat to Democrats and Republicans. He discounted the fear that Supreme Court nominee John Roberts would help overturn abortion rights if elected to the bench.
He spoke of his continuing faith in the press, which depends on owners who support their newsrooms and reporters who are driven to get to the truth. Decrying the impatience of today's journalism, with its fixation on up-to-the-minute updates, Woodward said that news services should stick to their responsibility of getting all the facts.
Richard |
11.19.05 - 7:33 pm | #
I cried once at a live rock show. Jeff Tweedy, solo tour, 2000, Knitting Factory in Los Angeles. He played a bunch of songs from the then-unreleased "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot." A buddy of mine worked at the Knitting Factory and offered to take me backstage to meet Tweedy after the show. I declined and I'm glad I did, because I was so in awe I would have certainly said or did something embarrassing.
JK47 |
11.19.05 - 7:34 pm | #
Screw that it's Joplin in Monterey Pop. She sent shivers down my spine how into
it she was. Even Mama cass was caught making a comment on her. Silent but
you can understand what she is saying.
In the late seventies early eighties I saw Bruce at a college concert. Probably
less than 1500 people. I was third row on the left. Just far enough for a good
view and close enogh to see details.
Amazing. It was before the River came out.
fester | 11.19.05 - 7:19 pm | #
Saw Joplin back then....with Big
Brother at their first show in NYC.
Like a couple of weeks after Monterey.
They were great. Much better than
their records.
But Springsteen....words fail
me.
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:34 pm | #
Did fester go back to the ashram to masturbate?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters
only way I like liver is coated in corn meal & fried w/ onions. Then a sandwich with thin sliced onion & mayo. on 12 grain or rye.
1watt.Secret Squirrel | Email | 11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
i ate tons o liver when we would get a beef done (when i was a kid). got pretty darned sick of it in fact.
moi |
11.19.05 - 7:35 pm | #
What color is the sky on Booby's world?
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:35 pm | #
Did fester go back to the ashram to masturbate?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters
Why, NTodd, why?
Marcia Brady ∞
Because he mocks what he doesn't understand.
Typical dipshit.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:36 pm | #
I knew Mark Chapman when I was in high school and we used to go to prayer meetings, etc., and then out to eat most every Friday.
He was nice, polite, quiet. Isn't that what you usually hear from people when they describe someone like that.
We went out separate ways after high school and I didn't have any contact with him. In fact, I left the religious bullshit when I found out what they thought of gay people
Pine Lake Larry |
11.19.05 - 7:36 pm | #
I always meant to check out that Penn + Teller show. I suppose that ep's as good as any.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 7:37 pm | #
The Washington Post has come out today with an editorial that attempts to defend their star "investigative" reporter Bob Woodward.
The editorial page editors seem to think that a general advancement of the principle of protected reporter-source relationships is all that the Post's reader-sheep needs to see to soothe any hurt feelings over the outrage.
Notice, though, how they first distance themselves from the controversy:
Here we remind readers that the editorial page operates separately from those who gather and publish news in The Post. Mr. Woodward doesn't answer to us, and he has no input on our page.
From this comfortable perch, the editorial endeavors to spin this matter to the satisfaction of the average federal government employee who relies upon the Post for a coherent view of the world. They fail miserably. I need not go into my usual explication, a link is provided for those who are interested. Suffice it to say that the best they could come up with is:
Many of those who condemn Mr. Woodward applauded when The Post recently revealed the existence of CIA prisons around the world, a story that relied on unnamed sources.
And...
Is there a distinction to be made based on the motives of the leakers? If so, Mr. Woodward might have had to pass up his first big scoops three decades ago, because his Watergate source, Deep Throat -- recently revealed as FBI official W. Mark Felt -- was disgruntled at having been passed over for the post of FBI director.
A piss poor effort, if I may say so myself (and I would know).
Now to the nitty-gritty. This editorial ultimately fails because it avoids altogether the main complaint of media watchers everywhere about the actions in question of Bob "The Slitherer" Woodward.
Most people couldn't care less if Woodward runs his book enterprises like a whorehouse, that's his business. What is most egregious here is the fact that Woodward publicly attacked both the prosecutor and the investigation. When you do something like that, which all intrepid scribes do from time to time, you had best do so from a safe distance.
Given that Woodward is deeply implicated in the events of the "Plamegate" leak, the boldness of his attacks is the most puzzling aspect of his involvement. He acted if he believed himself to be protected somehow, even as he was protecting his source(s).
Woodward's silence for the last two and a half years can be viewed as the dog that didn't bark. When Fitzgerald determines why this hound kept quiet, he may very well find the evidence he needs to close this case.
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11.19.05 - 7:37 pm | #
Why, NTodd, why?
I like talking about ashrams and masturbation.
dipshit
Oh goody, he's come. Now, will you elaborate on your comments about South Africa and Gandhi, and what myths you think we cling to? Wash your hands first.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:37 pm | #
Because he mocks what he doesn't understand.
Typical dipshit.
What don't I understand, Uncle Fester?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:37 pm | #
Anyone have a link to the John Rendon that isn't a Rolling Stone one?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 7:37 pm | #
Quarterflash?
You are one mean SOB.
Just hard-hearted.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 7:31 pm | #
Hee hee.
BTW -- Rindy Ross?
World's All Time Worst Sax
Player/
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:37 pm | #
Ed Wood now has competition for Burton's best movie.
BlakNo1
Heck, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" wasn't even the best Tim Burton movie this year.
I liked "Corpse Bride" much more.
eschatroll |
11.19.05 - 7:38 pm | #
I cried at least twice watching it.
How many rock shows can you say
that about?
Tool 9/13/01 Grand Rapids MI orig scheduled for 9/11...Maynard usu. says cryptic shit on stage, but that night he had some damn good advice (paraphrased, ya know what the demon weed does to the short term) "Whatever you feel now, anger,sorrow, hatred, take it & do something positive with it"
macbitch |
11.19.05 - 7:38 pm | #
I've seen Penn & Teller's live shows several times going back to the late 80's. Highly recommended, as magic, comedy, and theater.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 7:39 pm | #
Our thread is our world, our life.
Don't recall seeing that one before. Sounds like he made it up just for us...
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 7:39 pm | #
I must say, I too am rather curious as to how a brown man could have been a practitioner of South African racism...
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:39 pm | #
The Lady Eve coming up on TCM. I can't watch, since I'm off to the glamorous Nashvegas debut of Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price.
hamletta |
11.19.05 - 7:39 pm | #
In fact, I left the religious bullshit when I found out what they thought of gay people
In the heinous NBC thing about Chapman I regretfully watched last night, they mentioned that Chapman nearly murdered an arguing gay couple about a week or so before the Lennon murder. They were across the hall from him at the YMCA in NYC, where he was staying before he murdered Lennon.
JK47 |
11.19.05 - 7:40 pm | #
Dang.
Sorry 'bout dat, the Burton comment above came from me.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 7:40 pm | #
Speaking of sax, during last nights Scissorfight show in Cambridge(a most rockin' good time), Dana Colley from Morphine came up onstage during a few songs.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 7:40 pm | #
Tonight, I hope to complete my paper on Bush. However, I need your help: should I use two-ply or single?
Saw Joplin back then....with Big
Brother at their first show in NYC.
Like a couple of weeks after Monterey.
They were great. Much better than
their records.
But Springsteen....words fail
me.
steve simels
Springsteen rocked. One of the best concerts I ever have seen.
I saw the Dead one time in Buffalo. I kept getting kicked out of the front row. They were fine.
I got so high on hash I passed out at a Queen concert. They had these big bright spots right in my eyes and all.
Best Hash I ever smoked.
Back then concerts were fun.
Of course I was younger.
I smoked a joint and drank Peach Schnapps with Ken Kesey in a younger college journalist life. Interviewed Pure Prarie league on air as well.
caught a couple of others like Buckminster Fuller and Arlo Guthrie.
I just checked out festival Express on one of the movie channels. How I would loved to have been on that train.
Rick Danko looked like a barrel of fun.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:41 pm | #
I must say, I too am rather curious as to how a brown man could have been a practitioner of South African racism...
Must have something to do with his desire to end the practice of Untouchability.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:41 pm | #
I'm also curious as to whether this is the Pittsburgh blogger fester (who is not a bad guy, so far as I know), or a different one.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:41 pm | #
here's aa article from prospect.org that indicates that Fitz can impose administrative sanctions on leakers for violation the 'need to know' rules:
Hey, Walter Neff's on TCM right now!
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:42 pm | #
Tonight, I hope to complete my paper on Bush. However, I need your help: should I use two-ply or single?
Two-ply, quilted. Do you really want to hurt your ass?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:42 pm | #
Tool 9/13/01 Grand Rapids MI orig scheduled for 9/11...Maynard usu. says cryptic shit on stage, but that night he had some damn good advice (paraphrased, ya know what the demon weed does to the short term) "Whatever you feel now, anger,sorrow, hatred, take it & do something positive with it"
I saw Tool in Mass. a week later.
Similar words after that show, which was heartening considering the angry, angry words you could hear on the radio, etc. at the time.
Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 7:42 pm | #
Hey, Walter Neff's on TCM right now!
I thought he wasn't done with his video podcast yet?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:43 pm | #
Tonight, I hope to complete my paper on Bush. However, I need your help: should I use two-ply or single?
Doesn't really matter, be careful with the kerning, and stay away from Times Roman.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 7:43 pm | #
I'll see Corpse bride in a few weeks.
However, I stand by my assessment, for now.
Tool are always excellent live, seen 'em 6 times.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 7:44 pm | #
Hey, NTodd, any recommendations on portable tripods that don't suck? I'm leaning towards the Slik Sprint Pro, although the Velbon 343E didn't look too bad either.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:44 pm | #
Can't... suppress... the urge: "Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!"
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 7:44 pm | #
I must say, I too am rather curious as to how a brown man could have been a practitioner of South African racism...
Eli
http://www.trinicenter.com/World...News/
ghandi.htm
Gandhi said on September 26, 1896 about the African people: "Ours is one continued struggle sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
Again in an editorial on the Natal Municipal Corporation Bill, in the Indian Opinion of March 18, 1905, Gandhi wrote: "Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races (meaning the local Africans), resident and employed within the Borough.
One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians...?" Again on September 9, 1905, Gandhi wrote about the local Africans as: "in the majority of cases it compels the native to work for at least a few days a year" (meaning that the locals are lazy).
Nothing could be farther from the truth that Gandhi fought against Apartheid, which many propagandists in later years wanted people to believe.
He was all in favor of continuation of White domination and the oppression of Blacks in South Africa.
In the Indian Opinion of March 25, 1905, Gandhi wrote on a Bill regulating fire-arms: "In the instance of fire-arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly bracketed with the natives. The British Indian does not need any such restrictions as are imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the carrying of fire-arms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the native from arming himself. Is there the slightest vestige of justification for so preventing the British Indians?"
Gandhi always advised Indians not to align with other political groups in either colored or African communities. He was strongly opposed to the commingling of races.
In the Indian Opinion of September 4, 1904, Gandhi wrote: "Under my suggestion, the Town Council (of Johannesburg) must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. It think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen."
In the Indian Opinion of September 24, 1903, Gandhi said: "We believe as much in the purity of races as we think they (the Whites) do... by advocating the purity of all races."
Again on December 24, 1903, in the Indian Opinion Gandhi stated that: "so far as British Indians are concerned, such a thing is particularly unknown. If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is purity of type."
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:44 pm | #
The Rethug definition of "victory"
in Iraq seems to be like the old
definition of pornography.
To paraphrase : "We can't tell you what it is,but we will know it when we see it."
Yes-Close to the Edge tour
Yes- Relayer tour
Emerson Lake and Palmer- Works tour
Oh My God !!!!
And special mention for Alice Coopers'- Welcome to my nightmare comeback tour......
Flint |
11.19.05 - 7:45 pm | #
I thought he wasn't done with his video podcast yet?
The guy's a multi-tasking monster!
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:45 pm | #
I saw Tool in Mass. a week later.
I was there, saw them the night before in Portland as well.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 7:45 pm | #
in south african lingo, gandhi was classified as "coloured", and didn't benefit from the racist policies there.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 7:45 pm | #
I'll see Corpse bride in a few weeks.
However, I stand by my assessment, for now.
I've seen both. Corpse Bride was fun, but I like Chocolate Factory a whole bunch more. Lots of sly humor, and the always-brilliant Missi Pyle.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:45 pm | #
Anybody here ever see
the Replacements?
On my top five list of bands
I wish to god I'd seen.
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 7:45 pm | #
http://www.trinidadandtobagonews...rames/read/
1230
Forced to share a cell with black people, he wrote: "Many of the native prisoners are only one degree removed from the animal and often created rows and fought among themselves."
He was quoted at a meeting in Bombay in 1896 saying that Europeans sought to degrade Indians to the level of the "raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness".
The Johannesburg daily This Day said GB Singh, the author of a critical book about Gandhi, had sifted through photos of Gandhi in South Africa and found not one black person in h
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:46 pm | #
any recommendations on portable tripods that don't suck?
Eli
The Martians had some cool ones.
Probably want to get one without the incendiary death ray. Bet that feature'd be way expensive.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 7:46 pm | #
Wow, that Gandhi guy's about as bad as Lincoln...
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:47 pm | #
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=ca...di+racist&
hl=en
For example, the article contains a quote that "Gandhi was fully sympathetic with the victims of fascist aggression." And yet Gandhi said (see Wikiquote, for example) in May 1940: "I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed." Also some would question whether this other Gandhi quote, "Hitler killed five million [sic] Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs," was truly "fully sympathetic." The article mentions his abstinence, but not his habit of sleeping with young girls in his 70s. (And Freud's suspicions about it.) Doesn't mention how he fought to prevent the British from giving the Untouchables political representation. The article implies that the British were fully responsible for partition, too.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:47 pm | #
fester - wow, before Gandhi evolved, he wasn't enlightened. Shocking.
Fact is, he was Brahmin and viewed himself a citizen of the Empire. Early in his time in South Africa he fought for Indian rights, not for other issues.
Nobody who understands him claims that he was perfect--he himself never claimed that. Instead we take lessons from his first forays into action in 1905 and how he matured as an advocate of civil disobedience until his death in 1947.
Here's another shocker: he supported the British involvement in WWI. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:48 pm | #
Tool's original bass player Paul D'Amour gave me my first "break" in the music industry, for which I will be eternally grateful. He had a side project called Lusk that I played keyboards in. It was the first tour I ever did and I've had the good fortune of being a working musician ever since.
Paul has a new band called Feersum Ennjin, and their sound is pretty similar to Tool. I think they have some music up on MySpace if anyone is interested. He's a really talented and nice guy.
JK47 |
11.19.05 - 7:48 pm | #
Wow, that Gandhi guy's about as bad as Lincoln...
dave
Use the brain god gave you and google up some Ghandi stuff.
Only you can save yourself from total ignorance.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:48 pm | #
in south african lingo, gandhi was classified as "coloured", and didn't benefit from the racist policies there.
in south african lingo, gandhi was classified as "coloured", and didn't benefit from the racist policies there.
Although based on those letters, it does look like he was working on that, at least at the time.
I don't know Gandhi's biography well enough (or at all) to know if he had some kind of religious epiphany which changed his views.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:48 pm | #
Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter
THE mysterious source who gave America’s foremost journalist, Bob Woodward, a tip-off about the CIA agent at the centre of one of Washington’s biggest political storms was Stephen Hadley, the White House national security adviser, according to lawyers close to the investigation.
Woodward, the Washington Post reporter who broke the Watergate scandal that forced President Richard Nixon out of office, has refused publicly to divulge the name of his informant without permission, which has thus far been withheld.
etc.
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Hadley made a non-denial denial, so I guess this fits. But I would rather play with the Pork Chop Boy and AWOL possibilities a while longer.
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QuentinCompson |
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11.19.05 - 7:49 pm | #
When does this prick start the lectures about how cheap it is to make dinner at home?
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:49 pm | #
fester,
I'm crushing your head. Crush. Crush. Crush.
Has anyone seen the new Harry Potter yet?
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:49 pm | #
Martin Luther King was a womanizer. Therefore the Civil Rights Act of 1965 should be repealed.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 7:50 pm | #
Corpse Bride was fun, but I like Chocolate Factory a whole bunch more. Lots of sly humor, and the always-brilliant Missi Pyle.
Eli
For me, Johnny Depp played the title character with too much of an oddball vibe. I thought he was the movie's big flaw.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 7:50 pm | #
The graft investigations in Iraq are just warming up. LINK
Ginger Cruz, of the Coalition Provisional Authority's inspector general’s office, thinks the latest charge is just one of many to come. “We have over 50 investigations ongoing at the moment...And we don't believe this will be the last charge that will be brought. We believe there will be others.”
When the history of this time in America is written, no one will believe Republicans should ever be trusted with money again. If they'd paid attention during the Reagan era, they'd already know that.
TheOtherWA |
11.19.05 - 7:50 pm | #
First sighting of "A Christmas Story": this Thursday on TCM, 6:15 EST...
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:50 pm | #
Has anyone seen the new Harry Potter yet?
I haven't, but my girlfriend loved it, and is insisting I see it.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:51 pm | #
For me, Johnny Depp played the title character with too much of an oddball vibe. I thought he was the movie's big flaw.
Didn't bother me at all.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 7:51 pm | #
fester - wow, before Gandhi evolved, he wasn't enlightened. Shocking.
Fact is, he was Brahmin and viewed himself a citizen of the Empire. Early in his time in South Africa he fought for Indian rights, not for other issues.
Nobody who understands him claims that he was perfect--he himself never claimed that. Instead we take lessons from his first forays into action in 1905 and how he matured as an advocate of civil disobedience until his death in 1947.
Here's another shocker: he supported the British involvement in WWI. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters
Gandhi's Support for "Purity of Race"
In response to the rise of white nationalist politics, which stressed racial separation, Gandhi wrote in his Indian Opinion of September 24, 1903:[19]
"We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race."
On December 24, 1903, Gandhi added this in his Indian Opinion newspaper:[20]
"The petition dwells upon `the co-mingling of the colored and white races.' May we inform the members of the Conference that so far as British Indians are concerned, such a thing is particularly unknown. If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type."
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11.19.05 - 7:52 pm | #
There was a recent news release about a mega-church pastor whose congregation turned against him when he started preaching a Gospel of love -- the local Episcopal Church let him use their worship space
I'm assuming he stopped telling his church Jesus wanted you to receive His love, and started telling them Jesus wanted them to give His love. To others.
That it wasn't all about them, in other words.
Surest way to clear out a church I know of.
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11.19.05 - 7:52 pm | #
Lincoln thought blacks should be sent off to colonize an island after slavery was repealed. Tear down the monument!
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 7:53 pm | #
Has anyone seen the new Harry Potter yet?
Hecate Malificent
Current plans call for the matinee showing tomorrow.
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11.19.05 - 7:53 pm | #
I don't know Gandhi's biography well enough (or at all) to know if he had some kind of religious epiphany which changed his views.
Funny you should mention his biography. I quoted his autobiography today. At the site to which I link, one may find many examples of his writings, including his collection of letters, stuff he published in his newspapers, etc.
Fester seems only bent on showing how imperfect a human being Gandhi was, rather than understanding the total person and trying to apply the lessons his life provides. Pity.
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11.19.05 - 7:53 pm | #
First sighting of "A Christmas Story": this Thursday on TCM, 6:15 EST...
dave™
I caught one drunken show in the late 80's before they imploded. Chestnut Cabaret in West Philly. Even (especially?) drunk they kicked serious ass.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 7:53 pm | #
Randy Bachman's got his own show on the CBC now (we call it the Canadian Broadcorping Castration).
He's not exactly the smoothest radio personality, but his annecdotes and insites on the music biz and songwriting are gems.
Don't know if the show is available online.
Fleur de merde |
11.19.05 - 7:53 pm | #
Martin Luther King was a womanizer. Therefore the Civil Rights Act of 1965 should be repealed.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters
Don't go getting all Republican on me there Tucker. The fact is people tend to see the myth instead of the reality.
If you choose not to be objective that's fine. But don't make an ass of yourself by making false claims.
fester |
11.19.05 - 7:54 pm | #
I saw Tool in Mass. a week later.
I was there, saw them the night before in Portland as well.
Good times. Well, since it was days after 9/11, not exactly good times. I spent a lot of time driving around listening to talk radio and not going to classes. That's why it hit me when Maynard mentioned doing something, you know, positive. Something other than beating up gas station attendants or whatever else we were afraid of from the citizenry of central Mass at the time.
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Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 7:54 pm | #
I'm heading out shortly to see the Johnny Cash biopic - anyone seen it yet?
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11.19.05 - 7:54 pm | #
Astoundingly, fester returns to another selection from 1903, even after I observe that Gandhi lived for 44 more years, and changed his tune precisely because of his experiences in South Africa. Maybe in 44 years, fester will evolve.
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11.19.05 - 7:54 pm | #
this guy rules, and as a liberal catholic I think it needs to be given more exposure:
Jewish Leader Blasts 'Religious Right'
By KRISTEN HAYS, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 39 minutes ago
The leader of the largest branch of American Judaism blasted conservative religious activists in a speech Saturday, calling them "zealots" who claim a "monopoly on God" while promoting anti-gay policies akin to Adolf Hitler's.
Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism, said "religious right" leaders believe "unless you attend my church, accept my God and study my sacred text you cannot be a moral person."
"What could be more bigoted than to claim that you have a monopoly on God?" he said during the movement's national assembly in Houston, which runs through Sunday.
The audience of 5,000 responded to the speech with enthusiastic applause.
Yoffie did not mention evangelical Christians directly, using the term "religious right" instead. In a separate interview, he said the phrase encompassed conservative activists of all faiths, including within the Jewish community.
He used particularly strong language to condemn conservative attitudes toward homosexuals. He said he understood that traditionalists have concluded gay marriage violates Scripture, but he said that did not justify denying legal protections to same-sex partners and their children.
"We cannot forget that when Hitler came to power in 1933, one of the first things that he did was ban gay organizations," Yoffie said. "Yes, we can disagree about gay marriage. But there is no excuse for hateful rhetoric that fuels the hellfires of anti-gay bigotry."
The Union for Reform Judaism represents about 900 synagogues in North America with an estimated membership of 1.5 million people. Of the three major streams of U.S. Judaism — Orthodox and Conservative are the others — it is the only one that sanctions gay ordination and supports civil marriage for same-gender couples.
Yoffie said liberals and conservatives share some concerns, such as the potential damage to children from violent or highly sexual TV shows and other popular media. But he said, overall, conservatives too narrowly define family values, making a "frozen embryo in a fertility clinic" more important than a child, and ignoring poverty and other social ills.
One attendee, Judy Weinman of Troy, N.Y., said she thought Yoffie was "right on target."
"He reminded us of where we have things in common and where we're different," she said.
Yoffie also urged lawmakers to model themselves on presidential candidate John F. Kennedy, who famously told a Houston clergy group in 1960 that a president should not make policy based on his religion.
On other topics, Yoffie asked Reform synagogues to do more to hold onto members, who often leave after their children go to college. He also said the Reform movement, which is among the most accepting of non-Jewish spouses, should make a greater effort to invite spouses to convert.
Hawthorne Wingnut |
11.19.05 - 7:55 pm | #
JeffCo,
I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised how much they got Reese Witherspoon to look like Mrs. Cash.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 7:57 pm | #
Pine Lake Larry: Wow.
FWIW, it doesn't surprise me that someone like Mark Chapman could be personable. He isn't a cold-blooded sociopathic criminal killer, i.e. a mob hit man or druglord, or a serial killer.
As I keep saying in a non-clinical way, he may simply have gone off his nut due to forces beyond his will and control. It happens.
I think I just can't take the way the TV invariably gushes or fusses over its subjects. So an exclusive interview with a notorious killer is a chance for some hot dog whore infotainer to hunker down cheek by jowl with the celebrity perp and interact with maximum smarminess.
Even the biographical background segments repel me. I think it has to do with the feeling that TV is somehow showcasing someone who shouldn't be showcased. It's a nightmare expression of TV's essential vulgarity.
I feel sorry for Chapman. Interesting that you knew him. Small world indeed.
Little Brøther |
11.19.05 - 7:59 pm | #
Anybody here ever see Pavement?
On my top Ten list of bands I
wish I'd seen....
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 8:01 pm | #
Hecate - I saw some of her interview with Charlie Rose last night. She comes across as a very bright and serious actress. Even explained some of the fluff pics as her need to be "box office" enough to be acceptable to studios in films she really wanted to do. Apparently they had nixed her several times in the past for not being a big enough star. Now she has her own production company.
All the reviews I've seen say she and Joaquin nail them, and do a decent job singing as well.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 8:01 pm | #
Martin Luther King was a womanizer. Therefore the Civil Rights Act of 1965 should be repealed.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters
Don't go getting all Republican on me there Tucker. The fact is people tend to see the myth instead of the reality.
If you choose not to be objective that's fine. But don't make an ass of yourself by making false claims.
How am I not being objective about Gandhi or King? What's false about my claims?
No, really.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:01 pm | #
If you choose not to be ob--
Oh, blow it out your ass.
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 8:02 pm | #
Nothing could be farther from the truth that Gandhi fought against Apartheid, which many propagandists in later years wanted people to believe.
You know, the thing about idiots like this? They have no sense of history. 1905 and apartheid? Bugger. Apartheid laws were enacted in 1948. What was going on in 1905 was, let's all say it together, Colonialism. With a nice admixture of the residuum of the Boer Wars, concentration camps and massive political and racial conflicts most typified by the white Boers, East Indians and English. Blacks? Kaffirs? Yeah, but.
Idiot. It's not even so much that clowns like this Fester creature don't understand history - they apparently don't understand the sequence of bluidy TIME!
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11.19.05 - 8:02 pm | #
Bush made me allege that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection.
First sighting of "A Christmas Story": this Thursday on TCM, 6:15 EST...
dave™
Have it on DVD. I refuse to start any of my Xmas Movie Marathons (Rudolph, Grinch, Snowman, Wonderful Life, etc_ until I get home from Gram's this weekend...
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:03 pm | #
I feel sorry for Chapman.
So do I, since the real killer is still on the loose.
Maybe you've heard of him. His name is Stephen King.
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 8:03 pm | #
Anybody here ever see
the Replacements?
On my top five list of bands
I wish to god I'd seen.
I didn't, but I'm with you. On that, and regarding the Guess Who.
I LOVE them.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:04 pm | #
people are rarely remembered because of the extent to which they were products of their time and place. fester is giving us examples of gandhi spouting the conventional wisdom of his time. if he had never done anything beyond that, nobody would have heard of him.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:04 pm | #
krishnamurti, the famous (tho few have heard of him) indian spriritualist, who rejected theosophy, and preached a message of finding out for yourself in matters of the spiritual was found upon his death to have been fuck'n his best freinds wife on the sly for 25 years.
i'm not sure how that pertains, but from my bibble days i remember "the spirit is strong, but the flesh is weak" still, no excuse for delay, and bush, they are stone cold hypocrites, and killers.
"there is no atonement for sin with out the shedding of blood" and goddamit i wanna see blood on the floor.
charley |
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11.19.05 - 8:05 pm | #
"Have it on DVD. I refuse to start any of my Xmas Movie Marathons (Rudolph, Grinch, Snowman, Wonderful Life, etc_ until I get home from Gram's this weekend.."
Good luck on that resolution. Mine, I will not buy any new Christmas Lights.
I voted against a non-binding resolution to immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq, troops who are responsible for over 300,000 civilian deaths, based on principle.
Democrats |
11.19.05 - 8:05 pm | #
Olaf, ever get that cycle working?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:05 pm | #
Anybody here ever see Pavement?
On my top Ten list of bands I
wish I'd seen....
Bimbo's, San Francisco, 1995 or '96. It was all Steve Malkmus' show...he WAS Pavement. The other guy...not so much.
Buzz Bomb |
11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
Maynard was one of the first musicians to publicly decry mindless patriotism in the wake of 9/11, and he did it onstage only 3 days afterward. But, since he's not one of "America's Sweethearts", it got no publicity.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
Have it on DVD.
You know, there's something just more Christmas-y about seeing the classics pop up on regular TV.
BTW, you realize this year is the 40th anniversary of "Charlie Brown Christmas"?
I saw it first run.
Someone wheel me to the dining room, please...
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
Steve Simels:
Live bands?
I just missed seeing the Bonzo Dog Band.
Now, that I regret.
I saw Van Morrison in the tune up for the Astral Weeks albun in a club the size of a New York loft.
That, I do not regret.
shawk |
11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
Hey, Clarke finally figured out how to spell his own name! Good job! BTW, you wouldn't be able to link to some objective documentation for your assertions would you? Ah, I thought not. JAFO: just another fucking Onanite.
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
FWIW, it doesn't surprise me that someone like Mark Chapman could be personable. He isn't a cold-blooded sociopathic criminal killer, i.e. a mob hit man or druglord, or a serial killer.
Didn't you ask this before, and someone said they saw the Big Breakup Show? Who was that?
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 8:07 pm | #
Gandhi,Shmandhi.
"Let's forget about the lyin' and the cryin' and the shootin' and the dyin' and the fella with the switchblade knife,
let's think about livin'
let's think about life !"
Flint |
11.19.05 - 8:07 pm | #
Anybody here ever see
the Replacements?
On my top five list of bands
I wish to god I'd seen.
Only once. The Fillmore, San Francisco, 1985. The guitarist wore nothing but a diaper, and the first thing Westerburg did when he took the stage was call the Fillmore a "fucking dump." That show sticks with me, for sure.
Buzz Bomb |
11.19.05 - 8:08 pm | #
who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir
I oppose the war in Iraq and demand that the eeeeevil George Bush end it immediately! That's why I voted against non-binding resolution to withdraw our troops. I did it on principle.
Democrats |
11.19.05 - 8:09 pm | #
Anybody here ever see
the Replacements?
Didn't you ask this before, and someone said they saw the Big Breakup Show?
Who was that?
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 8:07 pm | #
Ditto. And it is not Xmas without a bit of Vince Guaraldi's work from the show in the background somewhere during the season.
And I have to hear Boris doing the Grinch.
Then it begins to feel a bit like Xmas.
EkCenTriK |
11.19.05 - 8:09 pm | #
Maynard was one of the first musicians to publicly decry mindless patriotism in the wake of 9/11, and he did it onstage only 3 days afterward. But, since he's not one of "America's Sweethearts", it got no publicity.
Based on the patriotic pissing contest I saw in Congress last night, Maynard is now officially allowed to speak out, since he served in the Army.
Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 8:09 pm | #
my apologies if i was excessively grumpy last night. i wasn't real happy.
i had planned to travel to columbus, ga today to join the school of the assassins protests.
my residence is surrounded by white oaks. squirrels' delight this time of year. unfortunately, stepping on an acorn at dusk, i went down.
very painful. no travel to ft benning.
no, instead a saturday morning in an emergency room. now there is an education.
no painless moving. no broken kneecap as feared this morning. but whether it is a sprained or a torn ligament remains a question.
could i send someone on this board to father roy's protests in my place?
unfortunately, it is probably too late.
i would have made this offfer earlier, but i cannot tell you how long one can hang-out at an er these days.
i can only say that as a society, we have screwed the pooch.
i shall conclude this way, as i sit here with my leg elevated and a cold pack on my knee, i am listening to inti-illimani. as some of you may know, a group of chilean musicians who escaped chile after the nixon/kissinger-facilitated coup. and by escaping, saved their lives, for surely they were as marked for torturing and death as was their fellow musician, victor jara.
the main torture site of the pinochet regime was the villa grimaldi. us intell services were regularly in attendence.
there were at least a dozen other sites.
and though the gangster general, augusto pinochet ugarte, was not trained at the school of the assassins, many of his subordinates were.
the notion that the evil acts of abu ghraib, gitmo, and other rendition destinations are something new, unique to the bushit-cheney regime is a wrong-headed notion.
since the founding of the school of the assassins, we have been training torturers. and those torquemadas have been disseminated throughout the hemisphere.
and it wasn't just via the SOA that we trained torturers. we also used USAID. this was another mechanism for promoting the usage of torture in the maintenance of this evil empire.
someday, all the stories may get told. but to close, do you recall the name of danny mitrione? the pennsylvania cop who was hired by USAID to travel to south america to teach south american police how to stick a wire up the urethra, stick another one up the anus, and wrap another one around a tooth, then wind the magneto.
whatever you wanted to hear, an individual wired in such a fashion would tell you. or die.
thank you tupamaros. for kidnapping mitrione and supervising his extinction.
by the way, the victims of mitrione and his USAID fellows were anti-fascists, anti-oligarchs....principally trade unionists.
that is what we have been doing in this hemisphere for at least 50 years. and it has been a bipartisan enlistment for these crimes. demtillians = reptillians.
oh, i note that i am becoming curmudgeonly again. time for more ice.
get thee to fort benning. raise a stink.
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11.19.05 - 8:09 pm | #
The shit fester's gurgling up is just what the quacks at LGF threw in my face when I brought up Gandhi in the lead up to this Iraq clusterfuck.
Can you imagine? I actually went over there and tried to reason with those freaks.
Ntodd there's your link
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 8:09 pm | #
Gotta go walk the line. Later kids!
JeffCO |
11.19.05 - 8:10 pm | #
This is the most valuable use of my time, uncleverly harassing people anonymously on the internet.
Troll |
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11.19.05 - 8:10 pm | #
Olaf, ever get that cycle working?
doug, | Email | 11.19.05 - 8:05 pm | #
**************
yeah! i actually rode it over to woody's house this afternoon and back, maybe 25 miles round trip. it still doesn't idle right, but i got both cylinders firing anyway. the carb i took apart is leaking, which may be messing up the float. i got an o ring i am going to put on tomorrow which might help that.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:10 pm | #
You know, there's something just more Christmas-y about seeing the classics pop up on regular TV.
True dat, but my life requires on-demand viewing, given my schedule. But there is something organic about watching stuff on TV (too bad we suspended our satellite service). The commercials, the feeling of watching the same thing as everybody else at the same time, etc. Shit, a movie comes on that I own, I'll still watch it even with commercials, rather than pop in the disc.
I have fond memories of "Christmas Special" season when I was a kid. My favorite was CBS, because they had that cool "CBS Special" graphic that spun around in a sort of moire pattern with some cool percussion behind it. That was a signal that Xmas was just around the corner.
BTW, you realize this year is the 40th anniversary of "Charlie Brown Christmas"?
Oh yeah! And I have that too!
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:10 pm | #
yo fester?
what's ur point?
why you gotta beef w/Gandhi? he do sumpin to you?
assume for a second that you're almost as smart as me, and 'splain yo-bad-self.
Hey Tucker you still there blathering gibberish?
Couple of quick questions for your discerning mind.
If a seventy year old Ghandi was sleeping with young girls to test his celibacy? What would happen if his resolve failed? Would he bang some twelve year old? The stench of Pediphilia is in the air on that one.
We would never know if he slipped or not. Like those young wives at Waco. Lots love out there to share with religious icons.
If it were Pat Robertson sleeping with teeny boppers to test his reslove you would be all over it like come on a blue dress. I bet you would be calling for a public trail followed by a lynching.
So other than you being a hypocrite what makes the two different?
While that sinks into your craptastic brain I'm off to catch up on Charlie Jade.
fester |
11.19.05 - 8:11 pm | #
Can you imagine? I actually went over there and tried to reason with those freaks.
It's a waste of time, unless you like the conflict.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:11 pm | #
Steve Simels:
Live bands?
I just missed seeing the Bonzo Dog Band.
Now, that I regret.
You have no idea how brilliant
they were.
Their ten second version of
Pinball Wizard....
Legs Larry's dance number
where his third leg was a
theremin....
God, they were great....
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 8:12 pm | #
U.S. troops have killed over 300,000 innocent civilians in Iraq. Still, as a matter of principle, I voted against against a non-binding resolution that called for the immediate removal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
Democrats |
11.19.05 - 8:12 pm | #
Miami may be losing to lowly Georgia Tech, but they lay unassailable claim to the fugliest away uniforms in intercollegiate football.
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 8:12 pm | #
"Let's forget about the lyin' and the cryin' and the shootin' and the dyin' and the fella with the switchblade knife,
let's think about livin'
let's think about life !"
RANDOM: There he is!
FATHER: Oh, bloody hell.
LAUNCELOT: Ha-ha! etc.
FATHER: Hold it, hold it! Please!
LAUNCELOT: Sorry, sorry. See what I mean, I just get carried
away. I really must -- sorry, sorry! Sorry, everyone.
RANDOM: He's killed the best man!
[yelling]
FATHER: Hold it, please! Hold it! This is Sir Launcelot from
the gorge of Camelot -- a very brave and influential knight, and my
special guest here today.
LAUNCELOT: Hello.
RANDOM: He killed my auntie!
[yelling]
FATHER: Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion!
Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here
today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond
of the holy wedlock. Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert,
has just fallen to his death. But I think I've not lost a son, so
much as... gained a daughter! For, since the tragic death of her father--
RANDOM: He's not quite dead!
FATHER: Since the near fatal wounding of her father--
RANDOM: He's getting better!
FATHER: For, since her own father... who, when he seemed about to
recover, suddenly felt the icy hand of death upon him,--
[ugh]
RANDOM: Oh, he's died!
FATHER: And I want his only daughter to look upon me... as her
own dad -- in a very real, and legally binding sense...
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:13 pm | #
hamletta: I'm off to the glamorous Nashvegas debut of Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price.
Izzat at the Belcourt?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.19.05 - 8:13 pm | #
The Peanuts Christmas Special was da bomb!
As was the Grinch.
I still hum the songs from the Grinch all the time.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:13 pm | #
The balancing isn't always a question of right or wrong or more or less. But at the beginning of the year, things should be redd up and made decent, as best as one can.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 7:25 pm | #
just happened to see that. glad i did. well said.
fitzgerald is my god for now. i dig Richard's theory.
i still wanna see blood on the floor.
charley |
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11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
Did I?
Wouldn't surprise me.....
Well, it didn't start that way, but I seem to recall you mentioning one band you never saw that you regretted were the 'Mats... someone chimed in and said they saw the show where they burst into drunken flames. You were quite impressed.
fester, how sick does one have to be to come up with the kind of crap you spew. And who cares anyway?
Wow. Just wow.
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11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
fester
Surely a connoisseur of nuance.
EkCenTriK |
11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
Miami may be losing to lowly Georgia Tech, but they lay unassailable claim to the fugliest away uniforms in intercollegiate football.
That single-sleeve business is part of a larger marketing scheme by Nike. Brings out my inner conspiracy theorist.
Plus, they look like shit.
Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
Both Michgan and Michigan State lost tonight.
I live in a state of bad karma...
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
And before I go, why do you assume Ghandi was more enlightened than any other person? Did you know him? Have you met anyone who did know him? Did he visit you in a dream and shake some booty at you?
Eh Tucker?
For a fact you don't know a god damned thing about him personally. You took someone elses word. Hearsay.
What a genius you are Tucker.
What a genius.
fester |
11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
"U.S. troops have killed over 300,000 innocent civilians in Iraq. Still, as a matter of principle, I voted against against a non-binding resolution that called for the immediate removal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Democrats"
My position on everything is indefensible, therefore I ludicrously misrepresent those who dare to point it out.
.
Republicans |
11.19.05 - 8:14 pm | #
but i got both cylinders firing
This is progress. When you find the reason it's not working quite right yet, I'm sure you'll slap your forehead.
It's generally one of those.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:15 pm | #
The stench of Pediphilia is in the air on that one.
We would never know if he slipped or not.
Jeez louise -- let's just not even touch the pedOphilia thing (dunno where that came from), but how can you say with certainty that you'd know if ANYONE "slipped"?
Prove to me that Dick Cheney isn't ritually sacrificing newborn babies.
The stink of babykilling is all over him.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 8:15 pm | #
Actually they're Miami's home unforms. Gah!
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 8:15 pm | #
Actually they're Miami's home unforms. Gah!
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 8:15 pm | #
I tried to get my mom to take me to see Elvis at the Oakland Coliseum in '76. (My friends and I liked "Hound Dog.") I am ten years old. Mom says no way. Elvis dies the following year.
1977...Led Zeppelin, same venue. I am now eleven. Mom again says no. Turns out to be their last-ever show in America. Mom really fucked my shit up!
(Looking back, it's probably a good thing Mom was spared the experience of taking her 11-year-old son to a Led Zeppelin concert in the 1970s. I think she might have had a heart attack and died on the spot.)
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11.19.05 - 8:15 pm | #
why you gotta beef w/Gandhi? he do sumpin to you?
He killed his father and fucked his 12yo sister, apparently.
While that sinks into your craptastic brain I'm off to catch up on Charlie Jade.
Wow, that was a really compelling argument. I guess we can now reject non-violence because of a hypothetical on your part. Bravo.
Enjoy masturbating whilst watching Charlie Jade, you smegma-brained, salamander-blowing halfwit.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:16 pm | #
Asshole.
pie
Isn't it weird how old people are fixated on their anus?
cake |
11.19.05 - 8:16 pm | #
fester is kind of obsessed with Ntodd, and Ghandi.
Speaking of Christmas specials, the two best versions of "Christmas Carol" are Mr. Magoo's and the one with George C. Scott.
Scott wins the best live-action Scrooge.
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11.19.05 - 8:17 pm | #
And before I go, why do you assume Ghandi was more enlightened than any other person?
So you missed the part where I observed that even Gandhi doesn't hold a monopoly on the truth. Your reading comp is as solid as your reasoning skills.
BTW, my godfather, Euell Gibbons, smoked and was an alcoholic. Guess we shouldn't eat grapenuts, eh?
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:17 pm | #
That it wasn't all about them, in other words.
Surest way to clear out a church I know of.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
One of the defining characteristics of the American Christian Fundamentalist. That "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" glow in their eyes--which is really kinda scary up close-- says it all; Jesus loves me, and you're gonna fry!
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 8:17 pm | #
BEIJING - By taking a front-row seat at a worship service Sunday, President Bush sent a loud signal to China's communist leaders that they must allow their people more freedom.
"It wasn't all that long ago that people were not allowed to worship openly in this society," the president said after the hourlong service. "My hope is that the government of China will not fear the Christians who gather to worship openly. A healthy society is a society that welcomes all faiths."
pie |
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11.19.05 - 8:18 pm | #
My position on everything is indefensible, therefore I ludicrously misrepresent those who dare to point it out.
.
Republicans
Hey! When I advised the American government that there was an Iraq/al qaeda connection, I meant it!
Richard Clarke |
11.19.05 - 8:18 pm | #
I think I saw somewhere that Fox is planning a revisionist infomentary on Bapu entitled, "Gandhi: Saint or Short Eyes?"
Little Brøther |
11.19.05 - 8:18 pm | #
Hey, WGG
I saw the Guess Who record their
"Live at the Paramount" concert.
Cummings was awesome.
Never liked the band that much 'till I saw them live...
Studio doesn't do them justice.
Flint |
11.19.05 - 8:18 pm | #
I believe that Me. Cheney is dying of inoperable congestive heart failure.
I also believe that he has significant cognitive and emotional problems due to subtle brain damage suffered during his many heart surgeries.
This is a common problem with heart bypass surgery; it's called "pump head."
shawk |
11.19.05 - 8:19 pm | #
Eat a twig, Euell Gibbons, is your godfather? That's kind of neat.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:19 pm | #
Well, gee, the troll has now proven, irrefutably, that everyone is human. Which, I'm sure, comes as a huge surprise to, well, no one. He's as boring as they come.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 8:19 pm | #
Fester is Ruppert
Don't think so. Ruppert is the master of one-liner stupid shit, not quoting stuff. Fester is more along the lines of a Robert, though his calling me 'Tucker' is not part of the Robert Troll Signature™.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:19 pm | #
"I still hum the songs from the Grinch all the time.
Vicki"
Been known to do that around the once in a while evil malignant boss or two.
Also used to have a habit of sort of encouraging co-workers to hum Ding Dong the Witch is Dead if we knew that evil one was on the way out.
EkCenTriK |
11.19.05 - 8:19 pm | #
BEIJING - By taking a front-row seat at a worship service Sunday, President Bush sent a loud signal to China's communist leaders that they must allow their people more freedom.
I wonder what loud signal his pro-torture policies are sending them.
Me so confyoooozed.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 8:20 pm | #
Your reading comp is as solid as your reasoning skills.
Hey, ask him if he can whip together a dinner for four bucks...
dave™ |
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11.19.05 - 8:20 pm | #
Did anyone but me torture themselves and read John Tierney today? The gist ...
1) If black kids go to an all-black school and do well, they are not socially penalized by other black kids for "acting white" and thus some kids do well.
2) If black kids go to an integrated school they are socially penalized by other black kids for "acting white" and thus no kids do well.
The implication: segregation NOW!
Left completely out of the discussion: the issue of how property tax-based school funding impacts the quality of teaching in said schools, i.e., what does "doing well" mean in a low-income vs. high-income school.
I know ... I know. Too much for a Saturday PM. But Tierney is wankeriffic.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 8:20 pm | #
Central Scrutinizer, if you be out there, you be having mail.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:20 pm | #
BTW, my godfather, Euell Gibbons, smoked and was an alcoholic. Guess we shouldn't eat grapenuts, eh?
Actually, I believe the lessons learned from your Godfather were not to eat pine trees. Or Buicks. Anything else was probably pretty good for you.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 8:21 pm | #
This is a common problem with heart bypass surgery; it's called "pump head."
I thought it was called 'dick head'.
Eat a twig, Euell Gibbons, is your godfather? That's kind of neat.
Yup. I've told the story before, so I won't bore people any more than I usually do. But he was a Clerk in our Meeting, and I lived with him for several months when my mom was deathly ill. Then my mom killed him.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:21 pm | #
Maynard was one of the first musicians to publicly decry mindless patriotism in the wake of 9/11, and he did it onstage only 3 days afterward. But, since he's not one of "America's Sweethearts", it got no publicity.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
Like I said, it made me cry...
On to lighter subjects that fucker Pinochet will finally (hopefully) rot his last remaining years in the oubliette-for tax fraud. Good enough for Capone, & better late than never
macbitch |
11.19.05 - 8:21 pm | #
Maynard was one of the first musicians to publicly decry mindless patriotism in the wake of 9/11, and he did it onstage only 3 days afterward. But, since he's not one of "America's Sweethearts", it got no publicity.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 8:06 pm | #
Like I said, it made me cry...
On to lighter subjects that fucker Pinochet will finally (hopefully) rot his last remaining years in the oubliette-for tax fraud. Good enough for Capone, & better late than never
macbitch |
11.19.05 - 8:21 pm | #
if he can whip together a dinner for four bucks
I can, but can't get anyone to eat it.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
U.S. troops have killed over 300,000 innocent civilians in Iraq.
Aha! A phony! A real democrat would know that the actual number of casualties is googolplex...
I LOVE that song, no shit!!! I love you, Blak. Thanks.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
1) If black kids go to an all-black school and do well, they are not socially penalized by other black kids for "acting white" and thus some kids do well.
2) If black kids go to an integrated school they are socially penalized by other black kids for "acting white" and thus no kids do well.
I always kinda thought doing well in school was uncool *regardless* of color...
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
So... Bush went to a Sunday service in China, and then berated the Chinese to allow... sunday services ...in...(wait for it) ... China?.
Man is a mumble-fuggin' foriegn policy genius.
I can't wait for Wen Jiabao to visit the US and tough-talk about how the US really should give up that whole enslaving-black-folks thing...
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TelltaleHeart |
11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
my Cousin Vinny is on COmedy Central. The other, extremely jittery defense counsel's opening statement brings back painful, but yet now humorous memories.
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
Well, gee, the troll has now proven, irrefutably, that everyone is human. Which, I'm sure, comes as a huge surprise to, well, no one. He's as boring as they come.
I think I will cast a magical spell on him!!!!
I'm a witch!!!!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
I'm an accepted member of the reality-based community!
Hecate |
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11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
Hey, ask him if he can whip together a dinner for four bucks...
Heh, I'll bet he doesn't believe in 'dinner' or 'money'.
I believe the lessons learned from your Godfather were not to eat pine trees. Or Buicks.
But Blondie told me it was okay to eat cars, bars and guitars in Rapture.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:22 pm | #
WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled House spurned calls for an immediate pullout of troops from Iraq in a vote hastily arranged by the GOP that Democrats vociferously denounced as politically motivated.
...
Murtha has proposed his own resolution that would force the president to withdraw the nearly 160,000 troops in Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." It would establish a quick-reaction force and a nearby presence of Marines in the region. It also said the U.S. must pursue stability in Iraq through diplomacy.
The Republican alternative: "It is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."
i'm 99% sure that it is feul. last weekend i switched the coils, plugs and points so that the right cylinder was getting the spark that would normally go to the left cylinder, and it ran the same way: right cylinder ran perfectly, left was completely dead. today i fixed the mistake i made while reassembling the left carb, and it still only seems to idle with the right cylinder, but once you get the rpms up, the left fires up. i'm going to mess around with the cables and the linkage and the synchronization tomorrow. today i just wanted to ride it.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:24 pm | #
But Blondie told me it was okay to eat cars, bars and guitars in Rapture.
NTodd
It's only OK for the man from Mars.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 8:25 pm | #
Thank you Vicki. I love you too.
BlakNo1 |
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11.19.05 - 8:25 pm | #
But Blondie told me it was okay to eat cars, bars and guitars in Rapture.
NTodd
Like Wilford Brimley, Fab Five Freddie is a nutritional shepherd of sorts.
Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 8:26 pm | #
Thanks to NTodd's godfather, my mom was always out picking fiddlehead ferns and poke weed and trying to get us to eat them. I used to hide the Euell Gibbons' book behind the other books.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 8:26 pm | #
Thank you Vicki. I love you too.
BlakNo1
Love is good. Love is very good.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:27 pm | #
I'm a witch!!! I can do magic!!!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
I call the reality-based community my home!
Hecate |
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11.19.05 - 8:27 pm | #
Y'all gonna think I'm weird but I thing the Weasley twins are hawt.
Actually, I can see that. They've aged well, judging from HP3. I cannot WAIT to see 4, but it's gonna have to wait a while.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters |
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11.19.05 - 8:27 pm | #
simels ...
I saw Paul Westerberg, but not The Replacements.
When did you see the Springsteen video? I'm very jealous. At which two points were you overcome (song titles, please).
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 8:27 pm | #
I voted against a non-binding resolution to immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq, troops who are responsible for over 300,000 civilian deaths, based on principle.
Democrats
Since my leaders have failed me miserably, I am reduced to repeating the same straw man argument on Eschaton for six hours.
Moron |
11.19.05 - 8:27 pm | #
Thanks to NTodd's godfather, my mom was always out picking fiddlehead ferns and poke weed and trying to get us to eat them.
Hecate Malificent
I hope you've come around to adopt a more pro-fiddlehead-eating stance.
i still can't believe that the democrats didn't call bush on the "we do not torture" lie.
cowardice?
they believe it too?
everone's delusional?
gary in fl |
11.19.05 - 8:28 pm | #
Taking a break to watch the
Springsteen MAKING OF BORN TO RUN
video.
Talk to you guys later.....
steve simels |
11.19.05 - 8:29 pm | #
Namestealers need to get a real bad cases of the runs.
If they're in the loo with their butts on fire they wouldn't be here.
HoneyBearKelly |
11.19.05 - 8:29 pm | #
I can't believe how stupid the creationists are. I do magic. They are so DUMB.
Hecate |
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11.19.05 - 8:29 pm | #
If they're in the loo with their butts on fire they wouldn't be here.
The wireless Web is a wonderful thing!
Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 8:30 pm | #
"Don't think so. Ruppert is the master of one-liner stupid shit, not quoting stuff. Fester is more along the lines of a Robert, though his calling me 'Tucker' is not part of the Robert Troll Signature™."
I hear you, but I figure it doesn't matter too much. I say that stuff for a couple of reasons: First, to remind everyone that trolls is trolls.
Second, have you ever noticed how the trolls avoid talking to each other? Problem for them is that they find each other as odious as we find them.
It's one thing spouting bullshit, and another having to actually read/agree with that same bullshit when it comes back from someone else. Trolls undermine each other's confidence.
Fester thinks "shit, I don't sound like that fuckwit Ruppert, do I?", Ruppert thinks "good god, I'm not like that troglodite Gordon, surely?", and we get a bit more blessed silence.
.
TelltaleHeart |
11.19.05 - 8:30 pm | #
And before I go, why do you assume Ghandi was more enlightened than any other
As committed to non-violence as Bapu was, I shudder to think what he would do, given half a chance, with the half of the allegedly educated people of this nation who CAN'T SPELL HIS NAME.
Sorry. Everyone's got his own King Charles' head....
Davis X. Machina |
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11.19.05 - 8:30 pm | #
i still can't believe that the democrats didn't call bush on the "we do not torture" lie.
Really? You can't believe it? Perhaps you'd benefit from paying closer attention.
monica_nyc |
11.19.05 - 8:31 pm | #
SteveNS,
I should probably give them another try, but I have bad memories....
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 8:31 pm | #
Namestealers need to get a real bad cases of the runs.
And I will give it to them, because I am a witch and I have magical powers!
is there an occlusion, between the carb and the left cylinder? A gasket that's seated oddly?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:32 pm | #
i still can't believe that the democrats didn't call bush on the "we do not torture" lie.
cowardice?
I still can't believe you're going on about that.
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 8:33 pm | #
Guided by Voices at the Great American Music Hall, 1995 Alien Lanes tour, classic pre-Cobra Verde lineup.
i'll see you that one and raise you R.E.M. at berkeley greek theater 1983 touring behind "fables of the reconstruction". a deeply mind-altering experience.
although their gig at portland civic auditorium 1986 behind "life's rich pageant" comes in a close second.
hell, if you EVER saw them in the 80's, you are blessed.
as for bruuuuuce, his performance for "No Nukes" was pretty awesome.
r@d@r |
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11.19.05 - 8:33 pm | #
Sigh....
Once again, the green chile hamburger fairy has passed me by. Who do I have to talk to about this?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.19.05 - 8:33 pm | #
Hey, WGG
I saw the Guess Who record their
"Live at the Paramount" concert.
Cummings was awesome.
Never liked the band that much 'till I saw them live...
Studio doesn't do them justice.
Flint | Email | 11.19.05 - 8:18 pm | #
i saw a billboard for the guess who a few weeks ago. they were playing at some indian casino around albuquerque. they get all kinds of odd acts at those places that i didn't even know were still out there. i've seen ads for them, peter frampton, donna summer, all kinds of stuff. i should check out some shows.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:33 pm | #
damage a leg on an acorn? shit bro you need help.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 8:34 pm | #
I should probably give them another try, but I have bad memories....
Hecate Malificent
Yeah, there's lots of stuff that I might find more palatable now, as an adult, but it's tough to get past the negative associations you make with certain foods as a kid.
If only I'd had some bad experiences with McDonald's french fries, I might not now have such a constant craving for them.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 8:35 pm | #
If I don't like you I will cast a magic spell on you, and you will get the runs.
Republicans hoped to place Democrats in an unappealing position — either supporting a withdrawal that critics said would be precipitous or opposing it and angering voters who want an end to the conflict. They also hoped the vote could restore GOP momentum on an issue — the war — that has seen plummeting public support in recent weeks.
Hey, WGG
I saw the Guess Who record their
"Live at the Paramount" concert.
Cummings was awesome.
Never liked the band that much 'till I saw them live...
Studio doesn't do them justice.
Flint - 8:18 pm
never got to see 'em...nothing but concert recordings and studio stuff...cummins had the best set of pipes of any male rocker of his time, imho...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.19.05 - 8:36 pm | #
cummins had the best set of pipes of any male rocker of his time, imho...
I totally and completely agree with you.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 8:37 pm | #
Hecate, you have embarrassed us. Sod off.
anonymous |
11.19.05 - 8:37 pm | #
"cummins had the best set of pipes of any male rocker of his time, imho"
Just stuck a thermometer into the roast ham I'm cooking for the apparent D&D party happpening at my house later. It's come up from the sub-artic temps my freezer runs at but will take at least a couple more hours to cook. This one I got from a guy who smokes his own hams. I don't know why he does this other then that he prefers to eat them this way and if he does a bunch at a time, he at least gets paid a little for his effort.
Anyone going to want a ham sandwich later?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:38 pm | #
is there an occlusion, between the carb and the left cylinder? A gasket that's seated oddly?
doug, | Email | 11.19.05 - 8:32 pm | #
i don't think so. there really aren't any gaskets between the carb and the cylinder. the whole thing works off of a vacuum activated diaphragm. maybe i will make sure that is seated in there properly.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:38 pm | #
i saw a billboard for the guess who a few weeks ago. they were playing at some indian casino around albuquerque. they get all kinds of odd acts at those places that i didn't even know were still out there. i've seen ads for them, peter frampton, donna summer, all kinds of stuff. i should check out some shows
I saw Frampton and Robin Trower around '96 for $12.50 (Pine Knob, outdoor arena not a casino too). It pays to wait until they're...um seasoned hehe
macbitch |
11.19.05 - 8:38 pm | #
Seriously, I had no idea Burton Cummings had such a fanbase.
I may have to go back and listen to more of his stuff to see what I've missed.
Not that I've disliked him or the Guess Who, but I just never got into him / them, either. Hm.
SteveNS |
11.19.05 - 8:42 pm | #
pie - That man is an idiot. It will be a desparate blow to Brownback and the fundie nuts to see Christians in Beijing worshipping like Merkins.
(there is still a lot of religious persecution, but it's not what's painted by the fundie nuts)
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 8:42 pm | #
Martin Luther King was a womanizer. Therefore the Civil Rights Act of 1965 should be repealed.
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 7:50 pm
christ, while dying on the cross, accused god of forsaking him; therefore according to the doctrines of phelpsian christianity, god hates him.
r@d@r |
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11.19.05 - 8:42 pm | #
Guess Who ae a perfect road trip band with the volume up, windows down.
EkCenTriK |
11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
Are you being indicted?
Not that I know of.
I saw the county sherrif earlier today when I was at the same mechanic as the sherrif uses for his cars, to get the oil changed for one of my vehicles. He didn't give me the evil eye when I was loitering behind my gnome mechanic. (honest to god this guy is a gnome, but I don't ever have to have him do the work more then once.)
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
Maybe google knows how to spell Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi's name correctly.
monica_nyc |
11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
They're good. Darn good.
SteveNS
so's poke. used to pick it to sell to Allen cannery when I was 8 or 9. Mom always canned a bunch.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
does Google™ give diplomas? and is it a 2-year or a 4-year program?
r@d@r
Ask Tedly. and the 91% of women...
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
doug, i haven't actually checked the compression at all. i've just mostly ruled it out because when the left is firing, it makes plenty of power.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
I am the Lizard King, I can do anything!
NTodd, Hater of Bogarters | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 6:52 pm | #
Mr NTodd, would you like to come down from there and make a blog?
hisstorymn |
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11.19.05 - 8:43 pm | #
doug,
I'd like mine on rye bread with some mustard, please. I love good ham.
Actually, I lived for years in Southern MD, where there's a tradition of making "stuffed ham" which is country ham with slits cut into it and then the slits are stuffed with a mixture of kale, onions, and mustard seeds. It makes the most amazing sandwiches in the world.
Hecate Malificent |
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11.19.05 - 8:44 pm | #
This one I got from a guy who smokes his own hams.
doug,
I smoked a ham once, but I don't think I'll do it again. It was hard to roll, and it was a bitch to keep lit.
Central Scrutinizer |
11.19.05 - 8:44 pm | #
Anyone going to want a ham sandwich later?
doug, -- 8:38 pm
oh, yeah!!! me!!! please...
on sourdough, thick sliced, with mayonaise and whole green chile strips, lettuce, salt and pepper...mebbe toasted with some swiss?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.19.05 - 8:44 pm | #
Actually, I believe the lessons learned from your Godfather were not to eat pine trees. Or Buicks. Anything else was probably pretty good for you.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Well, now, parts of a pine tree actually are edible. Buicks...no, prollie not. 'cept maybe roadkill residue in the treads...
Doozer, (truncated) |
11.19.05 - 8:44 pm | #
JHWH was kind of a prick in the Old Testament, so we should really scratch most of the last 2000 years.
underwhelm | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 7:52 pm
IMOHO, the entirety of the Old Testament as it's sometimes called, is much like a really harsh game of 'Telephone' played by a bunch of drunk people under a very noisy overpass.
"what's that he said? 'let there be blight'? what the hell does THAT mean?"
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11.19.05 - 8:45 pm | #
American Woman, stay away from me
American Woman, mama let me be
Don't come a hangin' around my door
I don't wanna see your face no more
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time growin' old with you
Now Woman, I said stay away
American Woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay
American Woman, get away from me
American Woman, mama let me be
Don't come a knockin' around my door
Don't wanna see your shadow no more
Coloured lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes
Now Woman, I said get away
American Woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay
American Woman, said get away
American Woman, listen what I say
Don't come a hangin' around my door
Don't wanna see your face no more
I don't need your war machines
I don't need your ghetto scenes
Coloured lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes
Now Woman, get away from me
American Woman, mama let me be
Go, gotta get away, gotta get away now go, go, go
I'm gonna leave you woman
Gonna leave you woman
Bye-bye Bye-bye Bye-bye Bye-bye
You're no good for me
I'm no good for you
Gonna look you right in the eye
Tell you what I'm gonna do
You know I'm gonna leave
You know I'm gonna go
You know I'm gonna leave
You know I'm gonna go-o, woman
I'm gonna leave you woman
Goodbye American Woman
Goodbye American chick
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I smoked a ham once, but I don't think I'll do it again. It was hard to roll, and it was a bitch to keep lit.
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A suicide bomber detonated his car in a crowd of Shiite mourners north of Baghdad on Saturday, killing at least 36 people and raising the death toll in two days of attacks against Shiites to more than 120. Five American soldiers died in roadside bombings.
Earlier Saturday, a car bomb exploded in a crowd of shoppers at an outdoor market in a mostly Shiite neighborhood on the southeast edge of Baghdad, killing 13 people and wounding about 20 others, police reported. Witnesses said they saw a man park the car and walk away shortly before the blast.
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11.19.05 - 8:46 pm | #
Vince Guaraldi's Linus and Lucy will always be my holiday tune.
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 8:46 pm | #
Ah, the magic that is Carmex.
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11.19.05 - 8:46 pm | #
fake hecate is getting on my nerves.
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Live concerts?
I'll raise you
the Doors at Berkeley Community Theater,
John Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Jimmy Garrison and Elvin Jones somewhere in LA,
Woody Allan at Eugene's,
the first Cream concert at the Fillmore,
the first Band concert at Fillmore West and oh, Creedence Clearwater with both Fogarty brothers.
shawk |
11.19.05 - 8:46 pm | #
Olaf, mechanical points on this cycle
with vacuum or centrifugal spark advance?
This could make the spark be at the right and wrong point at different RPMs.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:46 pm | #
uh, isn't it toffee-nosed?
and isn't there a british slang derogation "toff"?
r@d@r = 8:38 pm
"what's that he said? 'let there be blight'? what the hell does THAT mean?"
r@d@r
he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.
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11.19.05 - 8:47 pm | #
IMOHO, the entirety of the Old Testament as it's sometimes called, is much like a really harsh game of 'Telephone' played by a bunch of drunk people under a very noisy overpass.
A friend of mine just got screwed out of a $100 purse she ordered online. When she emailed the seller for a refund, all she got back was a long riff on the Ten Commandments.
Didn't realize fraud was okay as long as you were an OT Christian.
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11.19.05 - 8:47 pm | #
Mr NTodd, would you like to come down from there and make a blog?
Nah, I'm busy channeling Jim and watching Raiders. Mebbe later.
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11.19.05 - 8:47 pm | #
fake hecate is getting on my nerves.
Um, that's kinda the idea, dude.
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11.19.05 - 8:47 pm | #
"It is a reality that no one is finished debating the war," NYT:
Representative Jack Kingston of Georgia, vice chairman of the House Republican Conference, said Saturday.
But he said Republicans forced the vote out of frustration with Democratic tactics. "We had just had it with Democrats running around saying President Bush lied. It was time for us to call their bluff," he said.
Does this maroon (or any Republican dipshit) think that anyone is going to stop calling Fredo a "liar" because of Friday night? BWHAHAHHAHAHAHHA! You never stop calling a liar a "liar."
What a bunch of dummies these guys are.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 8:47 pm | #
I can't believe how dumb religious folk are. I laugh at them.
mechanical points with centrifugal advance. the advancer is on the shaft that runs the points and appears to be working. it's not stuck or anything, at least.
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11.19.05 - 8:48 pm | #
Vince Guaraldi's Linus and Lucy will always be my holiday tune.
Peanuts music always makes me think Xmas. We've got a CD of Vince's stuff. Makes me want to do the Snoopy Dance just thinking about it.
But. I. Will. Not. Play. Xmas. Stuff. UntilafterThanksgiving.
I swear.
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11.19.05 - 8:48 pm | #
Right Said Thread?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.19.05 - 8:48 pm | #
what's that he said? 'let there be blight'? what the hell does THAT mean?"
Blessed are the cheesemakers?
macbitch |
11.19.05 - 8:49 pm | #
The first Band concert was at Winterland.
I regret the error.
The drugs must be still working, after all these years.
shawk |
11.19.05 - 8:49 pm | #
FAke Hecate is so jealous of the real Hecate it ain't funny.
Central Scrutinizer, I would have done the ham in a bong...just sayin'.
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11.19.05 - 8:49 pm | #
"But. I. Will. Not. Play. Xmas. Stuff. UntilafterThanksgiving.
I swe"
Sure sure sure ...
"Christmas time is here...."
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11.19.05 - 8:50 pm | #
res,
WTF? We made them vote on a dumb resolution that didn't even track Murtha's resolution so that will make them quit saying Bush lied? What drugs is he on?
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11.19.05 - 8:50 pm | #
Didn't realize fraud was okay as long as you were an OT Christian.
It's totally cool so long as you don't eat shellfish and hate the queers. It's somewhere in Leviticus, I'm pretty sure.
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11.19.05 - 8:50 pm | #
What a bunch of dummies these guys are.
res ipsa loquitur
When you've spent the last 5 years beating up on strawmen, you don't sharpen your mental faculties very much.
InstaParrot, PowerSwine, Little Green Raelians.
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11.19.05 - 8:50 pm | #
fake hecate is getting on my nerves.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 8:46 pm | #
That's what the dirtbag wants. Ignore it, and eventually it will crawl back into its little hole and get on with its sad lonely life.
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11.19.05 - 8:50 pm | #
the advancer is on the shaft that runs the points and appears to be working
how much slop does that shaft have?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 8:50 pm | #
Vince Guaraldi's Linus and Lucy will always be my holiday tune.
Max Planck -- 8:46 pm
the guy was possibly the very best jazz pianist ever to gain such a pop/bourgeois/MOR following...
and he was a great player...
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11.19.05 - 8:51 pm | #
I've got a nice Honeysuckle chest of turkey waiting to be made into mole', but I'd really, really like a ham sandwich. Not so elaborate as Woody's tho. Just with my own homemade mustard, bread and butter pickles, some horseradish cheese.....
Pines are well-known survival food plants. The soft, moist, white inner bark, or cambium, found clinging to the dead, woody outer bark is edible and very high in vitamins A and C. It can be eaten in slices raw as a snack or dried and ground up into a powder for use as a thickener/flavoring in stews, soups, and other foods. The bunches of young green cones found at the ends of branches make a tasty, healthy hiking snack. A tea made by steeping young, green pine needles in boiling water is delicious and high in vitamins A and C.
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11.19.05 - 8:51 pm | #
WTF? We made them vote on a dumb resolution that didn't even track Murtha's resolution so that will make them quit saying Bush lied? What drugs is he on?
Hecate Malificent
The same ones that made the Busheviks invade Iraq because of the Democrats.
And Blair help the Busheviks invade Iraq because of the French.
and the question is... what drugs isn't he on?
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11.19.05 - 8:51 pm | #
For the record, I hate EkCenTriK until Epiphany.
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11.19.05 - 8:51 pm | #
When you've spent the last 5 years beating up on strawmen, you don't sharpen your mental faculties very much.
Nicely stated, and with that...I'm off to the shower to get warm and happy.
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11.19.05 - 8:51 pm | #
(is your favorite Neocon a hero?) Wow! quite a list, very interesting and should be sent to Keith Olberman ASAP. Thanks for the info.
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11.19.05 - 8:52 pm | #
Didn't realize fraud was okay as long as you were an OT Christian.
It's totally cool so long as you don't eat shellfish and hate the queers. It's somewhere in Leviticus, I'm pretty sure.
See, that's what I told her- "the law is powerless to help you: she's a Christian, and says that stealing from your PayPal account is A-OK."
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11.19.05 - 8:52 pm | #
Central Scrutinizer, I would have done the ham in a bong...just sayin'.
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Im thinking a hookah at least you could pu a honey glaze in there
hisstorymn |
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11.19.05 - 8:52 pm | #
In terms of Trolls, this one is pretty low in his skills. But as we have been noting, they ar getting worse everyday. This one is some what akin to a seven year old yelling insults across the school yard.
EkCenTriK |
11.19.05 - 8:52 pm | #
I would have done the ham in a bong...just sayin'.
Why didn't I think of that? Hell, I've got a picnic ham in the fridge. I'll be right back....
Central Scrutinizer |
11.19.05 - 8:53 pm | #
We had just had it with Democrats running around saying President Bush lied. It was time for us to call their bluff
Heard some gooper on fox making the same point today, "how dare they call our president a liar!"
If they are stupid enough to make the question whether Bush is a liar there centerpiece argument, well, bring it on. Bush could be looking at single digits approval if they want to have this debate in the MSM.
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11.19.05 - 8:53 pm | #
Central Scrutinizer, I would have done the ham in a bong...just sayin'.
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Im thinking a hookah at least you could pu a honey glaze in there
hisstorymn
Just don't try it with one of those salty Virginia hams- harshes the whole experience.
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11.19.05 - 8:54 pm | #
the advancer is on the shaft that runs the points and appears to be working
how much slop does that shaft have?
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it doesn't seem to have any. by slop, you mean movement before you get resistance from the engine when you turn it? i've turned that thing many many times while fiddling with the points and it is tight.
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11.19.05 - 8:54 pm | #
Back from Compline --I don't think people should do Christmas during Advent (there are Twelve Days of Christmas AFTER Christmas -- ending with Epiphany on 6 January -- see "Life of Brian" for the visit of the Magi, "That's Capricorn, is it?")
Gandhi also developed a very strange diet -- dried fruit & nuts ("You are what you eat?") -- doesn't mean his insights into the nature of violence (& blowback) were not correct -- I think sometimes Tagore might have been right --- Gandhi was stil a giant (IMHO)
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11.19.05 - 8:54 pm | #
In terms of Trolls, this one is pretty low in his skills. But as we have been noting, they ar getting worse everyday.
Probably one of the ones who think an old man with a beard waved his magic wand and poof the universe was made.
And with that the eldest of my two is requesting story time.
One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish
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11.19.05 - 8:55 pm | #
Hecate ...
Are you cooking Thanksgiving dinner?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 8:55 pm | #
I don't suppose there's any interest in Sci-Fi liveblogging? I don't see 4legs, spork, Thers, tigre, or Sallyh around.
And whatever happened to Mellish???
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11.19.05 - 8:56 pm | #
One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish
hisstorymn
Steamed, fried, or sushi?
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 8:56 pm | #
Olaf, it's just odd that the cylinder fires at one rpm and not another.
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11.19.05 - 8:56 pm | #
res,
Yes, I'm cooking. My son and daughter in law are on vacation, so I'm having a rather large group of friends over for dinner. Everyone has to bring a poem. After dinner we sit around, drink wine, and read each other poems. It's my idea of heaven.
Are you cooking or going out?
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11.19.05 - 8:57 pm | #
Just don't try it with one of those salty Virginia hams- harshes the whole experience.
Jay C.
Smithfield hams? You gotta soak those in something for a coupla days before they are edible. My neighbor puts it in Coca-Cola, of all things.
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11.19.05 - 8:57 pm | #
Eli: I don't suppose there's any interest in Sci-Fi liveblogging? I don't see 4legs, spork, Thers, tigre, or Sallyh around.
Hate to say it, but I only like the trool drool less.
I'm prob'ly just jealous, not having cable, and bein' left out of the fun, an' all...
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11.19.05 - 8:58 pm | #
Central Scrutinizer, I would have done the ham in a bong...just sayin'.
Vicki
that works? 'cause life just got a lot easier for me if it does.
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11.19.05 - 8:58 pm | #
prior a, does your monastery do the festival of lessons and carrolls? it's one of only a handful of religious services i enjoy.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 8:58 pm | #
Dave (TM) I believe Alistir Sim in the 1951 version of a Christmas Carol was the best Scrooge and the best version overall of this story on film. Mind you I love the story and have seen the versions you talked about; loved Mr. Magoo version as a kid/watched it every year.
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11.19.05 - 8:58 pm | #
Live concerts? I'll bid Arlo Guthrie's first performance in concert of Alice's Restaurant. It took a little while for the audience to catch on. At first we were like, when is he going to stop talking and play some songs?
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11.19.05 - 8:59 pm | #
I don't suppose there's any interest in Sci-Fi liveblogging? I don't see 4legs, spork, Thers, tigre, or Sallyh around.
NTodd wood be, but NTodd no get SciFi no mo.
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11.19.05 - 8:59 pm | #
Smithfield hams? You gotta soak those in something for a coupla days before they are edible. My neighbor puts it in Coca-Cola, of all things.
Max Planck
You gotta love an entree meat with a detoxification period.
Jay C. |
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11.19.05 - 8:59 pm | #
(there is still a lot of religious persecution, but it's not what's painted by the fundie nuts)
Let's stay out of other countries' religious leanings.
And other leanings, as well.
pie |
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11.19.05 - 8:59 pm | #
You all carry on. I'm giving up for the night. There's a faint but unmistakable drift toward the "Holidays" that's enough to make me run away. Wounded and empty of red blood cells tho I am.
GWPDA, drink some fluids, eat a good meal and go to bed.
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11.19.05 - 9:00 pm | #
Dave (TM) I believe Alistir Sim in the 1951 version of a Christmas Carol was the best Scrooge and the best version overall of this story on film.
Sim's bony-assed portrayal of Scrooge is unsurpassed. Even by Mr. MaGoo.
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 9:01 pm | #
Alistir Sim in the 1951 version of a Christmas Carol was the best Scrooge and the best version overall of this story on film
Bill Murray in Scrooged!
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 9:01 pm | #
It seems that there is some breaking GWPDA news that I have missed -- anybody give me a precis or a link?
Prior Aelred |
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11.19.05 - 9:01 pm | #
Are you cooking or going out?
Both, but only a bit of cooking. I am going to the home of a childhood friend and his wife. They have a couple of other friends coming (I've not met them).
I am making cranberry-orange compote w/fennel.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:01 pm | #
FUCK YOUR INCOHERENT TAPEHOARDING PRESIDENT, KEI AND YURI HAVE [NEW] ISSUES!
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11.19.05 - 9:01 pm | #
Prior, the only GWPDA news I know of is that blood was given today, and GWPDA has been working for the last week, at a company formerly involved with express delivery.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:02 pm | #
Se ya later, 'bats. My darling husband surprised me and came home early. We have the whole week, and the girls fly in on Wednesday afternoon.
Life is good. It really is.
pie |
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11.19.05 - 9:02 pm | #
Poor widdle silly namestealer! Wonder if he's the same College Republican idiot who crapped all over The General's blog? That guy was a namestealer, too. Except now he's in trouble with his college for what he did.
In other news:
Know how the "intelligent design" people keep trying to claim that ID isn't creationism? (They stress this because the nation's courts have ruled that since creationism is religion and not science, it can't be taught as science in US public schools.)
Oooopsie! So much for ID. On to the next repackaging of creationism!
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11.19.05 - 9:02 pm | #
NTodd: Bill Murray in Scrooged!
Can ya believe I ain't not never seed that?
I have seenTurk 182, though.
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11.19.05 - 9:03 pm | #
Prior - GWPDA was indicted for outing Plame and causing the Iraq war.
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 9:03 pm | #
Dave (TM) I believe Alistir Sim in the 1951 version of a Christmas Carol was the best Scrooge and the best version overall of this story on film.
One of my favorite films, period. I never get tired of watching it.
Richard |
11.19.05 - 9:03 pm | #
Everyone has to bring a poem. After dinner we sit around, drink wine, and read each other poems. It's my idea of heaven.
Awwhhh, I wish I were your "live" friend. That would be my idea of a best ever party.
Vicki |
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11.19.05 - 9:04 pm | #
Let's stay out of other countries' religious leanings.
And other leanings, as well.
pie
Other countries??? One country, two systems.
And the biggest issue on the mainland isn't the religion per se, it's the parallel authority structure that exists outside the state control mechanisms.
A bit like Henry VIII founding his own church because the church outside his state control wouldn't provide him the freedom to do as he pleased.
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11.19.05 - 9:04 pm | #
Probably time to prepare for the tailgate at Foxboro tomorrow.
Which facepaint goes well with beer & sausages? Decisions...
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11.19.05 - 9:04 pm | #
Olaf, it's just odd that the cylinder fires at one rpm and not another.
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yes it is. keep in mind that at this point it is an improvement, though! the first thing i am going to look at tomorrow is the diaphragm. its sort of a thin, flexible cone attatched to a piston that goes up and down. it is held down by the top of the carb.
i had to take the top off today and put it back on. since i didn't take the carb off the bike i had to sort of slide the top on sideways. i'm thinking it may not be sealed properly.
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11.19.05 - 9:04 pm | #
"prior a, does your monastery do the festival of lessons and carrolls? it's one of only a handful of religious services i enjoy.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 8:58 pm | #"
Nope -- we do the canonical office -- Midnight Mass would have some similarities to Lessons & Carrols -- in a certain sense the Easter Vigil moreso (although it is Easter, of course) -- a largish Episcopal parish usually does a fine Lessons & Carrols -- preferably AFTER (rather than before) Christmas Midnight Mass!
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11.19.05 - 9:05 pm | #
"prior a, does your monastery do the festival of lessons and carrolls? it's one of only a handful of religious services i enjoy.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 8:58 pm | #"
Nope -- we do the canonical office -- Midnight Mass would have some similarities to Lessons & Carrols -- in a certain sense the Easter Vigil moreso (although it is Easter, of course) -- a largish Episcopal parish usually does a fine Lessons & Carrols -- preferably AFTER (rather than before) Christmas Midnight Mass!
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11.19.05 - 9:05 pm | #
Dave (TM) I believe Alistir Sim in the 1951 version of a Christmas Carol was the best Scrooge and the best version overall of this story on film.
It was 83 today, which makes it hard for me to join in on any holiday festivities right now.
Unless, of course, NTodd is displaying his newest no-pants.
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11.19.05 - 9:06 pm | #
Olaf, I always figure that machines are telling us how they are doing. It's our problem to be able to interpret the symptoms.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:07 pm | #
Jay C. .... You are not interested in P.D. work, are you?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:08 pm | #
Anyone ever smoke a turkey?
Not like a joint, but in a smoker with hickory, etc.
a largish Episcopal parish usually does a fine Lessons & Carrols -- preferably AFTER (rather than before) Christmas Midnight Mass!
Prior Aelred | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 9:05 pm | #
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i haven't been to one in years, but as i recall it was done it late advent, normally. as i understand it, it isn't a real service-doesn't really have a place in the canonical year.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for |
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11.19.05 - 9:10 pm | #
Evening all.
Dammit. Now I want a ham sammitch. And I don't have any ham.
flory |
11.19.05 - 9:10 pm | #
Everyone has to bring a poem. After dinner we sit around, drink wine, and read each other poems.
And then everyone commences balling until dawn.
Max Planck |
11.19.05 - 9:11 pm | #
I have seenTurk 182, though.
My favorite, uh...non-Xmas movie starring the late, great Robert Urich.
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11.19.05 - 9:11 pm | #
I figure the ham will be done in an hour and a half.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Jay C. .... You are not interested in P.D. work, are you?
Not at the moment, no.
Haven't ruled it out for the future, but I'm set on paying off some loans for the next few years. The grass is always greener...
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11.19.05 - 9:12 pm | #
The futures market in American corpses remains healthy.
And the Repukes dare to say they're tired of Dems calling Fredo a "liar."
Unbelievable.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:12 pm | #
Other countries???
Other countries, meaning *other* countries.
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11.19.05 - 9:12 pm | #
And then everyone commences balling until dawn.
That's how we do it in Kansas, 'cept we skip the food and the poetry.
Central Scrutinizer |
11.19.05 - 9:13 pm | #
Olaf, I always figure that machines are telling us how they are doing. It's our problem to be able to interpret the symptoms.
doug, | Email | 11.19.05 - 9:07 pm | #
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that's pretty much how i approach it, too. i'm not a real mechanic. i compensate for my lack of skill with an abundance of pigheadedness.
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11.19.05 - 9:14 pm | #
shawk, telling me that you were at The Band's first Winterland concert is like telling me that you were present when Christ raised Lazarus from the dead.
That's how we do it in Kansas, 'cept we skip the food and the poetry.
Finally an explanation for ID support, in Kansas schools. Would make anyone grumpy, to have to ball all night and never get to eat any food.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:15 pm | #
Everyone has to bring a poem. After dinner we sit around, drink wine, and read each other poems. It's my idea of heaven.
Hecate -- does everyone have to write a poem, or just bring their favorite?
flory |
11.19.05 - 9:16 pm | #
Monica Lewinsky, I have rigid tools.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:16 pm | #
Other countries, meaning *other* countries.
pie
And as I said to quote Deng Xiaoping, "One country, two systems".
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 9:16 pm | #
Oooopsie! So much for ID. On to the next repackaging of creationism!
I wouldn't mind if ID/creationism were taught in science class, provided it was discussed in the same manner I learned in school about the competing explanations regarding combustion (phlogiston vs. oxygen) and how the oxygen hypothesis won out. Along the same lines, students should learn in copious detail why ID/creationism was resoundingly rejected by science 150 years ago.
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11.19.05 - 9:17 pm | #
The futures market in American corpses remains healthy.
I think res found Holden's Bush Boom.
flory |
11.19.05 - 9:17 pm | #
Hey, Frank Rich!
If you happen to be out there lurking, I'd just like to say that I sure would enjoy reading your new column, "Another War to Go," which is now available at NYTimes.com.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:18 pm | #
The futures market in American corpses remains healthy.
I think res found Holden's Bush Boom.
Futures market in Iraq corpses is even healthier.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:18 pm | #
Hiya moonbats.
I see talk about smoking turkeys. I have a smoked turkey in the freezer and one in the frig.
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11.19.05 - 9:19 pm | #
I see talk about smoking turkeys. I have a smoked turkey in the freezer and one in the frig.
When are you cooking this?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:20 pm | #
The trolls are everyplace, spreading their assholery:
Hiya moonbats.
I see talk about smoking turkeys. I have a smoked turkey in the freezer and one in the frig.
oldwhitelady | Email | Homepage | 11.19.05 - 9:19 pm | #
Along the same lines, students should learn in copious detail why ID/creationism was resoundingly rejected by science 150 years ago.
Richard
Thinking like that might also explain why the Constitution has been "in exile" for the last 150 years, so it must be stopped at all costs! Long live the Glorious CONServative Cultural Revolution!
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11.19.05 - 9:22 pm | #
And the Repukes dare to say they're tired of Dems calling Fredo a "liar."
Unbelievable.
res ipsa loquitur
I'm tired of the Repukes!
And Fredo.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Nothing intelligent about it.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:23 pm | #
When are you cooking this?
doug,
they're smoked, no need to cook, just thaw & slice.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 9:23 pm | #
my favorite part of the turkey is the sandwich.
Mine is Mom's soup. With lots of salt (she never salts anything).
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11.19.05 - 9:24 pm | #
the Constitution has been "in exile" for the last 150 years
why that date. which would be 1855?
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:24 pm | #
Dave (TM) I believe Alistir Sim in the 1951 version of a Christmas Carol was the best Scrooge and the best version overall of this story on film.
Seconded.
Phila
Love that one!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:24 pm | #
Cooking will commence sometime this week I figured it would take a couple days to thaw out.
Turkey sandwiches are good, but the turkey rice soup is going to be terrific. I always look forward to the leftovers.
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11.19.05 - 9:24 pm | #
Hi res ipsa --
'bout time for me to retire -- I am content to restrain myself long enough to read Frank Rich (& Paul Krugman) at Truthout a day or two ex post facto
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11.19.05 - 9:24 pm | #
Have I missed anything from this Scifi Saturday Night original movie?
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11.19.05 - 9:24 pm | #
my favorite part of the turkey is the sandwich.
Olaf glad and big
I'm quite fond of turkey taquitos, which is usually the last of the turkey.
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11.19.05 - 9:25 pm | #
they're smoked, no need to cook, just thaw & slice.
1watt.Secret Squirrel | Email | 11.19.05 - 9:23 pm | #
I like to put them in the oven for a couple hours, anyway. Makes the meat just fall off the bones. Yum!
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11.19.05 - 9:25 pm | #
Good night, Prior A!
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:26 pm | #
you might just want to study a bit more. i gave you the most important resources.
i shall relate them to you again. and i consider these pretty indispensable resources...
1. i f stone: the hidden history of the korean war. you may pooh-pooh this, thinking that izzie was some kind of commie. actually, izzie was the inheritor of the mantle of george seldes[do you know that name?] and arguably, was the most important commentator on real american history in the post-WW2 era.
2. bruce cumings & jon halliday: korea-the unknown war. this is a very important book. it is the publication that accompanied a multi-part documentary that aired in the UK. i viewed the documentary there.
some months later it aired in the USA on PBS. was not the same documentary. some heavy editing was involved. apparently, the CPB did not want the citizens of the usa to learn what the citizens of the uk could learn from this doc.
bruce cumings wrote a great book about this CPB censorship. it is entitled TELEVISION WAR. i recommend it to you. i think you are ignorant of it.
3. i think that among the history fraternity, and certainly among the korean pops that i know, bruce cumings' two volumes concerning the korean war are considered the definitive histories. among most koreans that i know, bruce cumings and this historiography are sanctified.
to my mind, they are two of the most important history volumes written since WW2.
published by PRINCETON UNIVERSITY PRESS. available in paperback, i think. very difficult to find in hardcover.
so, i recommend that you read these four[4] volumes. after you have done that, come back. if you have the same pov, then clearly, you would prefer not to learn.
what most amerikans think that they know about the korean war is a large bit of buncomb.
for most, it was a highly propagandised bit of history. still and all, by 1952[within 2 years], the amerikan electorate wanted out. repudiating the democrat party who put this country into that conflict. the electorate knew.
not unlike the falsehoods perpetrated to gain the tonkin gulf resolution. not unlike the falsehoods perpetrated to generate the first invasion of iraq. or the invasions of nicaragua. and the dominican republic. the lebanon. grenada. panama.
or the coups we have engineered in so many countries. indonesia. chile. argentina.venezuela. guatemala. salvador.
you might want to do some studying, sir.
On 19 Nov, 2005, at 19:38, William Sharpton wrote:
You might want to study your history of the Korean War a bit more, chief. It was the NORTH KOREANS, with help and backing from the Chinese and Russians, who invaded the South. The U.N. responded to that aggression and pushed the fight into North Korea with MacArthur's landing at Inchon and the subsequent push north from South Korea by U.N. forces. So where exactly is Truman's "madcap and homicidal invasion of korea"?
Eli--I'm only a few minutes into this flick and it's godawful
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11.19.05 - 9:26 pm | #
Have I missed anything from this Scifi Saturday Night original movie?
Not much. Death goaded the moody loser main character into slashing his wrists in the bathtub just as his girlfriend and everyone came in for his surprise party.
I hate every character in this movie and I want them all to die painfully and slowly. Except Matt Frewer.
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11.19.05 - 9:27 pm | #
Res--and Chimpy says no pullout, period.
Did you know you can suspended and possibly expelled in the LAUSD for passing out anti Bush flyers? You can.
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11.19.05 - 9:27 pm | #
Did I mention that it really, really sucks?
I don't mind the regular Sci-Fi crap movies, because they know and embrace their crapness. This one thinks it's clever or something.
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11.19.05 - 9:27 pm | #
Burton Cummings? right?
had a set o' pipes
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
Did anyone hear Howard Stern the day he had Burton on there?
Doing a little tune for Baba Booey called "These Teeth."
Eli--I'm only a few minutes into this flick and it's godawful
I may have to turn it off. And that *never* happens.
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11.19.05 - 9:28 pm | #
why that date. which would be 1855?
doug,
I was taking his 150 years and re-using it. But I'm pretty sure the Constitution in Exile folks definitely want to return the US to a pre-Civil War balance between the Center and the States. and no doubt want to get rid of those irritating post-Civil War amendments guaranteeing due process and birth right citizenship.
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11.19.05 - 9:28 pm | #
why that date. which would be 1855?
doug,
I was taking his 150 years and re-using it. But I'm pretty sure the Constitution in Exile folks definitely want to return the US to a pre-Civil War balance between the Center and the States. and no doubt want to get rid of those irritating post-Civil War amendments guaranteeing due process and birth right citizenship.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 9:28 pm | #
Eli--do you want Matt Frewer to die quickly?
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere |
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11.19.05 - 9:28 pm | #
Richard: Animal Planet Reality Show To Put Bear, Antelope, Hawk, Cheetah In Same House
Close to bedtime this morn, I saw this on my TV:
"The following program features footage of actual animal emergencies, and is suitable for family viewing."
Geez, this decade sure sucks. It sucks on pretty much every level. You know how when you live through something that sucks, sometimes you look back on it later with fondness? Can't imagine that about this decade. War, Republicanism, Jeebus freaks, reality television, Clear Channel, Paris Hilton.
That's like a hundred years worth of suck.
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11.19.05 - 9:28 pm | #
Ha, ha, funny blooper at the WaPo. On the main page, in the Nation section, the headline says, "Capital Statute to Honor Parks". I clicked on it, thinking, what possible kind of law would they be passing in her honor? But no, it's actually a statue they're going to put up.
Karin |
11.19.05 - 9:29 pm | #
my favorite part of the turkey is the sandwich.
Olaf glad and big
I hate every character in this movie and I want them all to die painfully and slowly. Except Matt Frewer.
Frewer was tecond best part of Max Headroom, and best part of that sitcom where he was a doctor.
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11.19.05 - 9:29 pm | #
Doing a little tune for Baba Booey called "These Teeth."
Sung to the tune of "These Eyes."
Oh Christ, I am ashamed to admit it, but I've heard that (although I don't think I heard it live, just tape). I also heard the (very old) tape of Elton John singing to Howard. Can't remember which tune, but the first line was, "There's a man, who has a small penis ...."
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:29 pm | #
Eli--I wish they'd done a rerun of 'Mansquito,' that's how bad this is.
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11.19.05 - 9:30 pm | #
Having taken a quick look at Garris's IMDb filmography, I think it's safe to say that this isn't going to get any better. I'm bailing.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 9:30 pm | #
how dumb is this? dubya's in china, so the us embassy there decides to issue a couple of islamic terror alerts. the chinese are now investigating the us embassy for spreading false rumors.
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11.19.05 - 9:30 pm | #
Geez, this decade sure sucks. It sucks on pretty much every level. You know how when you live through something that sucks, sometimes you look back on it later with fondness? Can't imagine that about this decade. War, Republicanism, Jeebus freaks, reality television, Clear Channel, Paris Hilton.
That's like a hundred years worth of suck.
JK47
The 1960s may have been turbulent, but Chripes, but I have a lot of fond memories of it.
Not this decade, nope!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:30 pm | #
my favorite part of the turkey is the sandwich.
Olaf glad and big
On toast? With gravy? The next day?
Mmmmmm.....
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:30 pm | #
And I thought the 1980s sucked!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:31 pm | #
Just got back from seeing Chicken Little. Best movie I've seen in years.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere |
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11.19.05 - 9:31 pm | #
Eli--do you want Matt Frewer to die quickly?
No, I want him to rip the other characters into little pieces with his bare hands, and then laugh hysterically while waist-deep in their blood & entrails.
You might call me a purist.
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11.19.05 - 9:31 pm | #
Eli--the Strawberry Alarm Clock is not enhancing this flick.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere |
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11.19.05 - 9:31 pm | #
Dick Cheney is the living embodiment of everyones' fears of what Hillary would become when Clinton was elected.
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11.19.05 - 9:32 pm | #
a pre-Civil War balance
yeah, the southerners were actively subverting the central government. so sayeth ulysses s. grant.
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11.19.05 - 9:32 pm | #
how dumb is this? dubya's in china, so the us embassy there decides to issue a couple of islamic terror alerts. the chinese are now investigating the us embassy for spreading false rumors.
Not dumb: hilarious.
We should get the Chinese to investigate us here every time another "TERRA! TERRA! TERRA!" alert is issued.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:32 pm | #
Little Brother:
The concert was actually very marginal.
Robinson was very sick and had to be hypnotized to get on stage.
Or so the story goes.
I think they did about 9 songs and went away.
The next night they played great.
Then they lived up to the hype.
shawk |
11.19.05 - 9:32 pm | #
IDIOTIC design.
Weekly World News had an article about the Intelligent Design Institute for Other Theories
Perhaps that is what you are speaking of?
bill |
11.19.05 - 9:32 pm | #
I can think of a good law to pass in Rosa Parks' honor:
Making it a crime to be a Repugnican.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:33 pm | #
Eli--I don't think I can deal with this movie.
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11.19.05 - 9:33 pm | #
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! & Mikey! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
I said I wouldn't, but I figured I'd need it -- on beer #2. After that Papa John's-induced nap, I'd never sleep with out a few beers...
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11.19.05 - 9:33 pm | #
this decade sure sucks.
heh. dj "scooter" performed the song, "fuck the milennium" and boy was he right.
Nur al-Cubicle |
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11.19.05 - 9:34 pm | #
W's on a quest to Mongolia, in search of the one spigget koumiss.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 9:34 pm | #
Eli--I don't think I can deal with this movie.
I just gave up on it; TV's off until the Masters Of Horror thingy starts up on Showtime. Kee-rist.
Must also make a note to be sure to miss Mick Garris's installment of said series. Feh.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 9:34 pm | #
Geez, this decade sure sucks.
What worries me is the thought that we'll look back at this decade with fondness for the un-limited freedom we have commenting here.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:34 pm | #
Evening, Moonbats.
I was watching a bit of the movie but found it too depressing. But the Seeds doing YOU'RE PUSHING TOO HARD brought back a little flashback thingie. Steve, if you are around and have it: please send it.
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11.19.05 - 9:35 pm | #
It pays to wait until they're...um seasoned hehe
macbitch | 11.19.05 - 8:38 pm | #
Not always...
First time I saw Yes-- $8.50
Most recent(2004)--$75.00
And worth every centavo......
Flint |
11.19.05 - 9:35 pm | #
Eli,
Are you at all familiar with the Lovedoll movies? They might be up your alley.
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 9:37 pm | #
One of the greatest bad films ever made.
Amen.
Have you seen Myra Breckinridge?
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 9:37 pm | #
Jeffraham! How's the new job?
mena |
11.19.05 - 9:37 pm | #
I've got to go, I have to tend to the dinner.
doug, |
11.19.05 - 9:37 pm | #
Turned out Y2K was the least of our problems.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:38 pm | #
Are you at all familiar with the Lovedoll movies? They might be up your alley.
No, never heard of them, amazingly enough.
Megaforce is another all-time great awful movie, BTW.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 9:38 pm | #
Jeffraham--and I bet Curly is thrilled that it's you and him tonight
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11.19.05 - 9:38 pm | #
Terry C, maybe Steve has it. I am surprised that I do not: but I checked
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11.19.05 - 9:38 pm | #
sallyh: Jeffraham--it feels good to be able to call out to Papa John's, doesn't it?
Sort-of... I just didn't make it to Aldi's this week, or Kroger, so I've been eating crap food most of the week. The PJ's was like Ambien with cheese -- knocked my ass right out after two slices.
Does Curly like PJ's?
He loves tomato sauce, so he got to lick the plate.
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11.19.05 - 9:38 pm | #
my favorite part of the turkey is the sandwich. Troll!
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11.19.05 - 9:39 pm | #
Is that what we're having for brunch? I was going to bring some chaampagne and orange juice.
No, because I'm not cooking the turkey the day before. I was thinking more the bagels and coffee route.
So does this mean we are doing this? I am very confused.
Do you think we can get Simels out of bed to show up?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:39 pm | #
Turned out Y2K was the least of our problems.
ever think that y2k was a dry run for the terror, terror, terror, that's being sold now?
""""My hope is that the government of China will not fear Christians who gather to worship openly," Bush told reporters.
"A healthy society is a society that welcomes all faiths."
"""
Hear that Diane? But let's harass the churches that preach messages that run counter to Dear Leader's one true line.
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11.19.05 - 9:40 pm | #
Sallyh - here's a lovely idea for a cake: white chocolate with milk chocolate frosting. There's a nice little bakery in town that's doing that as cupcakes this week. Yum.
mena |
11.19.05 - 9:40 pm | #
Whats up bats?
Apparently Gandhi was a fucktard, SciFi is really slumming it, and turkey is best served as leftovers.
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11.19.05 - 9:40 pm | #
(I mean Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls, of course - although Austin Powers is pretty good too)
I got BOTH the references, and it freaks me out.
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11.19.05 - 9:41 pm | #
mena: Jeffraham! How's the new job?
Going very well thusfar -- I may have a "qualifying month" this month (meaning good enough numbers to be recommended for a permanent position). I have to have two in a row before April in order to be considered, but it looks like I'm out of the starting blocks strongly.
This week starts the 60+ hrs./week until 2006...
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11.19.05 - 9:41 pm | #
the first Band concert at Fillmore West and oh, Creedence Clearwater with both Fogarty brothers.
shawk
How'bout Joe Cockers "Mad Dogs and Englishman" tour, Leon Russell and all?
Or Edgar Winters' White Trash
with Derringer and Johnny Winter
as special guest?
Ooo, awesome. Tonight's Master Of Horror is... Argento.
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11.19.05 - 9:41 pm | #
And the turkey noodle casserole that you make on the third day. My little brother and I used to crack each other up -- to tears! -- calling it turkey tetrachloride. I was telling the spouse of the house about that one T-day and cracked myself up all over again.
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11.19.05 - 9:42 pm | #
Thanks NTodd. I don't know about the rest of you, but as far as I'm concerned, mashed potatoes with turkey gravy is what they feed you in paradise.
mena |
11.19.05 - 9:42 pm | #
Mena--I love white chocolate. I found this bath gel and cream at Old Navy that's White Chocolate + Orange, and I had to have it.
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11.19.05 - 9:42 pm | #
sallyh: Jeffraham--and I bet Curly is thrilled that it's you and him tonight
Undoubtedly... right now, he's off in the closet, sleeping on the dirty clothes pile, I'm guessing.
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11.19.05 - 9:43 pm | #
Hey, NTodd, any recommendations on portable tripods that don't suck? I'm leaning towards the Slik Sprint Pro
Oh, I just saw this. I use the Slik Mini-Pro II. Sturdy, small and stable.
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11.19.05 - 9:43 pm | #
Terry C, maybe Steve has it. I am surprised that I do not: but I checked
DWD - Ego Driven
I'll ask my daughter to download it for me.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:43 pm | #
"""But the monarch, whose nation is the world's largest oil exporter, issued strong advice for oil-consuming nations: reduce taxes on oil products and stop speculating."""
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 9:44 pm | #
What the hell is a "good" bad movie?
If it's bad, it's bad!
The worst I've seen recently was Brown Bunny.
Except for the bj at the end, it was boringly mundane.
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11.19.05 - 9:44 pm | #
sallyh - I hadn't had any for a while, and I'm used to it in frosting/puddings/candyand so on. It's really a nice flavor in a cake.
mena |
11.19.05 - 9:45 pm | #
The holidays are a god awful nightmare.
NTodd |
11.19.05 - 9:46 pm | #
Thanks NTodd. I don't know about the rest of you, but as far as I'm concerned, mashed potatoes with turkey gravy is what they feed you in paradise.
mena
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Incidentally - my daughter and I just got back from our weekly dinner out.
I had some mighty fine Surf and Turf.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:47 pm | #
The holidays are a god awful nightmare.
NTodd | 11.19.05 - 9:46 pm | #
Fake NTodd is rather odd, don't you think?
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11.19.05 - 9:47 pm | #
Eli,
There's two of them: Desperate Teenage Lovedolls and its sequal Lovedolls Superstar. Almost Fatty Drives the Bus bad, and based loosely on either Return to the Valley of the Dolls or the Joan Jett/Lita Ford bad The Ranaways, depending on who you ask. Starring Redd Kross. Great music.
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 9:47 pm | #
You gotta love an entree meat with a detoxification period.
Jay C
Not really detoxification as much as rehydration. The detox is the week they spend soaking in a barrel of salt (and saltpeter in the classic historical formulation), which sucks much of the water out of the insides, which inhibits bacterial growth (ick). Then the smoking further dehydrates it and hardens the outside against insect/vermin attack.
Meat smoking must always be done with hardwoods unless you like your ham slightly turpentine flavored.
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11.19.05 - 9:48 pm | #
NTodd: Fake NTodd is rather odd, don't you think?
Old Fake Todd was a sodding odd bodkin...
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11.19.05 - 9:48 pm | #
res,
As long as it's cool with you, let's do it. Simels might be rousable, especially since you live uptown. And as long as we don't do it too early, I think watertiger's game.
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 9:48 pm | #
What the hell is a "good" bad movie?
If it's bad, it's bad!
The worst I've seen recently was Brown Bunny.
Except for the bj at the end, it was boringly mundane.
Rudy
There are some movies that are SO bad they are good.
As for "Brown Bunny", I'll never forget the shit that Roger Ebert got from the perpetrator of that abomination when he panned it.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:48 pm | #
"""South Korea, meanwhile, announced it would withdraw about 1,000 of its 3,200 troops in Iraq next year.
The move caught the White House by surprise. "They have not informed the United States government of that," said National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones. He said President Roh Moo-hyun had not broached the subject with Bush when the two met just a day earlier."""
Coalition of the willing? Stephen Hadley is off twisting arms to try and get this announcement reversed. Everyone must stay the course and love Dear Leader and his Glorious CONServative Cultural Revolution.
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11.19.05 - 9:49 pm | #
NYMary ...
I was thinking noon-ish. WHat do you think?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 9:49 pm | #
The holidays are a god awful nightmare.
NTodd | 11.19.05 - 9:46 pm | #
Fake NTodd is rather odd, don't you think?
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls
He MAY be Bill O'Reilly.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:50 pm | #
There's two of them: Desperate Teenage Lovedolls and its sequal Lovedolls Superstar. Almost Fatty Drives the Bus bad, and based loosely on either Return to the Valley of the Dolls or the Joan Jett/Lita Ford bad The Ranaways, depending on who you ask. Starring Redd Kross. Great music.
Hmm... Are these movies that you have, by any chance?
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 9:50 pm | #
OMG I just saw Katherine Ross in a trailer for "Shenandoah" (1965) on TCM and was stunned to be reminded how beautiful she was...
Left Lane |
11.19.05 - 9:50 pm | #
OMG I just saw Katherine Ross in a trailer for "Shenandoah" (1965) on TCM and was stunned to be reminded how beautiful she was...
Left Lane
Her husband ain't no slouch in the looks department either.
Sam Elliott looked tres hot in "Mask."
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 9:51 pm | #
Hmm... Are these movies that you have, by any chance?
Why yes, yes we do. Only on VHS, alas. I'm not sure they exist on DVD.
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
Another 5 US soldiers die and 5 more wounded in the Iraq war today.
Bushboy & the Goopers will fight the Iraq war to the last drop of blood of the last soldier they can get to volunteer or commandeer from the NG and the Reserves.
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11.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
Are you being ignored, Walter? Come here, baby....
mena |
11.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
You know, I'm not used to being ignored.
Maybe when you stop oozing?
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
stop speculating."""
Tom - 大肚腩 |
Speculators aren't the ones that drove up the prices. They were bidding futures, 6 months out. The oil companies already have several months reserves. The oil companies raised prices on already held products, in anticipation of future costs (which were not determinable). In other words we got fucked.
1watt.Secret Squirrel |
11.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
A blowjob at the end is better than at the beginning.
WalterNeff |
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11.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
this decade sure sucks.
the 2000's : revenge of the greedy fucking morons who financed the Nazis and brought on the great depression.
Their motto: let's party like it's 1929.
Richard |
11.19.05 - 9:53 pm | #
In other words we got fucked.
1watt.Secret Squirrel
And you expect the Saudi King to want it any other way?
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 9:55 pm | #
who's the new Fay Wray, btw? Can't remember.
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 9:55 pm | #
A blowjob at the end is better than at the beginning.
WalterNeff
A blowjob at the end is equally as good as a blowjob at the beginning.
Left Lane |
11.19.05 - 9:55 pm | #
As opposed to, say, Margaret Dumont.
But Margaret Dumont is funnier.
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 9:56 pm | #
The News puts on Bushboy making speeches in Asia as though he some worthwhile or valued person.
I was hoping he'd vomit on some dignitary while he was in Japan, just the way Bush pere did, back in the day.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.19.05 - 10:00 pm | #
but, HoneyBear - thanks for the info I asked for!!
Hiya, NYMary
How's it going? How are your kids?
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 10:00 pm | #
He MAY be Bill O'Reilly.
I find it disturbing to consider that my stalker might be obsessed with loofahs and falafel.
who's the new Fay Wray, btw? Can't remember.
Naomi Watts?
Don't Dream It - Be It!
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 10:00 pm | #
Meat smoking must always be done with hardwoods unless you like your ham slightly turpentine flavored.
Xan
Ha! It would be the cheap retsina of meats.
M31 |
11.19.05 - 10:00 pm | #
Rudy - That story on the Koreans pulling troops from Iraq has a long section on the "press warroom" created by the Busheviks as a response to their failing popularity.
What do you do when the war gets ugly and unpopular? Better policy? Nah. Go back on the political offensive.
It's always politics politics politics with the Busheviks and Dear Leader. Didn't work for Mao. Hasn't worked for Guitar George.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.19.05 - 10:01 pm | #
I was hoping he'd vomit on some dignitary while he was in Japan, just the way Bush pere did, back in the day.
I guess he's an experienced enough drinker to know not to mix his drinks.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 10:01 pm | #
Makes me sad, not their fault.
Me, too. I feel badly when the monster says, "We belong dead." at the end of Bride of Frankenstein.
Jackson'e Kong is gonna make you cry at the end. (Be sure to watch my video podcast on Dec 14th).
"My hope is that the government of China will not fear Christians who gather to worship openly," Bush told reporters.
"A healthy society is a society that welcomes all faiths."
Except, of course, any faith that allows queers to get married.
Can't have those faiths. Goodness, no.
(I think the thing that offends me most about George W. Bush is that he so often says things that sound good, but then he implements policies that promote the most despicable fascism this country has ever experienced.)
Seraphiel |
11.19.05 - 10:01 pm | #
Did everyone sign up to be on O'Reilly's list of people? Arianna promised to deliver it in person the next time she is on the show.
Hi, Sarah D
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11.19.05 - 10:02 pm | #
Sam Elliott looked tres hot in "Mask."
Laura Dern as the blind girl was hot. Eric Stoltz is cool, too. Fave Sam E role is Gen. Buford in Gettysburg.
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 10:02 pm | #
Meat smoking
heh.... he said meat smoking....
Left Lane |
11.19.05 - 10:02 pm | #
Sarah,
They're fine, thanks. Our teen was in the paper this week: her high school Peace Club was packing food boxes for Thanksgiving, and she and her best friend got their pics taken. Typically, she didn't tell us that--other people mentioned it.
NYMary |
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11.19.05 - 10:03 pm | #
Did everyone sign up to be on O'Reilly's list of people? Arianna promised to deliver it in person the next time she is on the show.
Oh, where was that? I did a post, whored it at a variety of places, and even e-mailed it to Billy. But I want Arianna to say 'NTodd' with that sexy accent of hers.
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 10:04 pm | #
Franz Ferdinand is on Austin City Limits tonight, folx.
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11.19.05 - 10:04 pm | #
Sam Elliott has the greatest 'stache ever built by man.
gotta tell ya...I fear Xians who gather to worship openly because it means they are coming after me and my "ilk" (what a nasty little word, eh??).
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 10:04 pm | #
Jeff Trent: Modern women. They've been like that all down through the ages. Especially in a spot like this.
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Paula Trent: ...A flying saucer? You mean the kind from up there?
Jeff Trent: Yeah, either that or its counterpart.
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Paula Trent: Now, don't you worry. The saucers are up there. The graveyard is out there. But I'll be locked up safely in there.
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Criswell: Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown... the mysterious. The unexplainable. That is why you are here. And now, for the first time, we are bringing to you, the full story of what happened on that fateful day. We are bringing you all the evidence, based only on the secret testimony, of the miserable souls, who survived this terrifying ordeal. The incidents, the places. My friend, we cannot keep this a secret any longer. Let us punish the guilty. Let us reward the innocent. My friend, can your heart stand the shocking facts of grave robbers from outer space?
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Colonel Tom Edwards: ...Why, a particle of sunlight can't even be seen or measured.
Eros: Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can *explode* one. A ray of sunlight is made up of *many* atoms!
Jeff Trent: So what if we *do* develop this Solar-thing-a-ma-call-it? We'd be even a stronger world power than now.
Eros: A stronger world power. A *stronger* world power! You see, you see! You're stupid! Stupid!
Jeff Trent: That's all I'm taking from you!
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Jeff Trent: You fiend.
Eros: I, a fiend? I am a soldier of our planet. I, a fiend? We did not come here as enemies.
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The Ruler: Plan 9? Ah, yes. Plan 9 deals with the resurrection of the dead. Long distance electrodes shot into the pineal and pituitary gland of the recently dead.
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Colonel Tom Edwards: For a time we tried to contact them by radio but no response. Then they attacked a town, a small town I'll admit, but never the less a town of people, people who died."
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Criswell: My friend, you have seen this incident, based on sworn testimony. Can you prove that it didn't happen?
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Criswell: Perhaps, on your way home, someone will pass you in the dark, and you will never know it... for they will be from outer space.
Richard |
11.19.05 - 10:05 pm | #
(I think the thing that offends me most about George W. Bush is that he so often says things that sound good, but then he implements policies that promote the most despicable fascism this country has ever experienced.)
That's the whole fucking GAMEPLAN.
Eli |
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11.19.05 - 10:05 pm | #
Sarah Deere - got ilk?
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 10:05 pm | #
Danny Elfman's Big Fish score is beautiful.
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WalterNeff |
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11.19.05 - 10:06 pm | #
Typically, she didn't tell us that--other people mentioned it.
NYMary
That's how they are, and that's okay - long as they're doing good, which yours clearly is. Congrats.
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 10:06 pm | #
I advocate immediate withdrawal to an over-the-horizon position in Freshsheetland.
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls |
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11.19.05 - 10:06 pm | #
Bushboy is a one-trick pony. All he knows how to do is lie, cheat and steal.
It's all he's done all his life. He's added torturing and murder to his repertoire, but it's the same old Bushboy being Bushboy.
Rudy |
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11.19.05 - 10:07 pm | #
Sarah Deere - got ilk?
NTodd
NTodd, hee hee.... I AM "ilk".
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 10:07 pm | #
Fahrenheit 9/11 on Showtime
Left Lane |
11.19.05 - 10:08 pm | #
Sam Elliott has the greatest 'stache ever built by man.
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WalterNeff
Effing-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...and wunnerful eyes.....
and his voice, my word.
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 10:09 pm | #
"Not knowing what to do, and with no one to tell him what to do...Bush just sat there.."
Left Lane |
11.19.05 - 10:09 pm | #
Bushboy is a one-trick pony. All he knows how to do is lie, cheat and steal.
Me, too. I feel badly when the monster says, "We belong dead." at the end of Bride of Frankenstein.
I love that movie, but I cannot look at the scene with the blind man the same way ever since seeing "Young Frankenstein."
Incidentally, has anyone ever seen "Gods and Monsters"? Ian McKellan and Brendan Frazier.
Sir Ian is James Whales, the director of the "Frankenstein" flicks.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 10:11 pm | #
and his voice, my word.
Sarah Deere |
That is one EXTREMELY sexy voice.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 10:12 pm | #
Meat smoking
heh.... he said meat smoking....
Left Lane
"Hey, Butthead. I got a puppet!"
"Put your PANTS back on, Beavis!"
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat |
11.19.05 - 10:14 pm | #
Sarah Deere:
I should have said the one-trick pony Bushboy does deceit over and over again. Lying, cheating and stealing are merely some of the ways he can manifest his deceit.
He probably wets himself with perverse pleasure when he watches all those TV Talking Heads repeating his lies as though they're real.
Rudy |
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11.19.05 - 10:15 pm | #
It's about the steep rise in autism in the USA since the 1980s.
He believes there are many contributing causes including vaccinations, mercury and other pollutants.
There is a government data base that Bushboy has put a lock on that could provide information about the cause of this autistic epidemic.
Bushboy is probably protecting chemical, pharmaceutical and energy corporations that are producing the crap that is causing the problem.
There are no limits to the damage and deceit sociopaths will inflict.
Rudy |
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11.19.05 - 10:22 pm | #
There are no limits to the damage and deceit sociopaths will inflict.
Rudy
again, I agree. There is so much asthma around - unheard of when I was young.
We are slowly but surely allowing our gov't to allow coporations to poison us and our children.
Unthinkable - and, yet, it's happening before our eyes.
Sarah Deere |
11.19.05 - 10:28 pm | #
Fave Sam E role is Gen. Buford in Gettysburg.
NTodd, Feeder of Trolls
In which he gets to have one of the all time great lines of Civil War cinema:
(after climbing to the cupola of the Seminary to observe the oncoming confederate forces, addressing Gen. Reynolds who has just arrived on the field-- )
Reynolds: "How goes it, John?"
Buford: "The Devil's to pay!"
Unfortunately Reynolds heard this as "The Devil's Toupe!" which caused him much puzzlement and probably contributed to him holding still enough that a sharpshooter* could get a shot in at him.
*All Civil War generals, and most from other wars, who die in combat are killed by sharpshooters. It would ill suit the dignity of their rank to be gunned down by a regular bullet from an enlisted man.
Xan |
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11.19.05 - 10:34 pm | #
Unfortunately Reynolds heard this as "The Devil's Toupe!"