So, you got room for three open threads but no cat-blogging.
I'm going to go read Powerline.
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11.20.05 - 8:02 am | #
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
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11.20.05 - 8:02 am | #
From Houston Chronicle, of all places.
MANHANDLED MEDIA
Former Public Broadcasting chief made farce of fair-minded TV
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
MAYBE Kenneth Tomlinson watched too many scandals on commercial TV.
Over the past five years, an imposter employed by right-wing political groups became an accredited White House reporter; columnist Armstrong Williams took U.S. Education Department payola to shill administration policies; and several federal agencies were revealed to have supplied fake news segments to TV stations.
Now Tomlinson, the ousted chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, stars in his own scandal: A report by CPB's inspector general shows he violated federal law in a quest to give public broadcasting a different political slant. In his zeal to balance what he called liberal bias, the report said, Tomlinson applied illegal "political tests" to hire a Republican corporation president, ignored the board when making hires and threatened sanctions that only Congress could levy if PBS did not alter its programming.
Tomlinson denied any misconduct, complaining that the report reflects "politics over good judgement." Then again, Tomlinson also told the Los Angeles Times last May he had "absolutely no contact from anyone at the White House saying we need to do this or that with public broadcasting." This week, investigator Kenneth A. Konz reported that Tomlinson repeatedly swapped e-mails with White House officials, including Karl Rove, about hires. One of the candidates they discussed became CPB president.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:04 am | #
New Thread? FUCK BUSH
DWD - Ego Driven |
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11.20.05 - 8:05 am | #
Time to win the war by leaving it to the only ones to gain by it - the Iraqis. It should be voluntary, especially as to payment for it.
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 8:07 am | #
Time to win the war by leaving it to the only ones to gain by it - the Iraqis. It should be voluntary, especially as to payment for it.
Ruth
You do that and in a couple of years somebody may be up for a war crimes trial.
fester |
11.20.05 - 8:10 am | #
Four open threads and NOTHING about biofuels! Outrageous!
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:10 am | #
Nim,
we could shove a tube up Cheney's ass and collect the emissions to drive the public bus system in Fresno.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:12 am | #
did we conquer china yet? whats taking so long?
singe |
11.20.05 - 8:12 am | #
While I do believe we are the problem and should get out ASAP, we seriously destroyed Iraq. We owe the Iraqis something. But as long as w & co are in power, they will only get more of the same.
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11.20.05 - 8:12 am | #
singe,
Bush is too busy falling off his bike and trying to exit through fake doors.
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11.20.05 - 8:13 am | #
in a couple of years somebody may be up for a war crimes trial.
fester
We already have some candidates for that, Cheney for promoting torture as a tactic, Rumsfeld for the same, plus rabid mismanagement.
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 8:13 am | #
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
res ipsa loquitur
I got to disagree. It is one of the best things to happen to politics in quite a while.
We now just how easy it is to overturn environmental protections for corporations. We now know that most every politician can be manipulated or pressured to vote against their own party and common sense. We now just how prevelant corporate money and power is in the media. We now know about rigged voting machines. We now know just how evil the military is ( a lesson relearned).
We now know lots more things we never could of or would of or even wanted to.
fester |
11.20.05 - 8:13 am | #
We already have some candidates for that, Cheney for promoting torture as a tactic, Rumsfeld for the same, plus rabid mismanagement.
Ruth
Right. But only if the next president signs onto the ICC.
fester |
11.20.05 - 8:14 am | #
5th deferment: On Oct. 6, 1965, the Selective Service lifted its ban against drafting married men who had no children. Nine months and two days later, Cheney had his first daughter. Cheney applied for 3-A status, the ''hardship''exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents. It was granted.
is that Mary?
So she really is the product of a good liberal fucking.
fester |
11.20.05 - 8:17 am | #
Ba'al--wheels really coming off this GOP tricycle, huh?
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11.20.05 - 8:18 am | #
hello: this last week i did my duty photoing the cats, but then there was no thread...here they are if you wanna see them
Evangelical Christian pastor Jerry Falwell has a message for Americans when it comes to celebrating Christmas this year: You're either with us, or you're against us.
Falwell has put the power of his 24,000-member congregation behind the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign," an effort led by the conservative legal organization Liberty Counsel. The group promises to file suit against anyone who spreads what it sees as misinformation about how Christmas can be celebrated in schools and public spaces.
The 8,000 members of the Christian Educators Association International will be the campaign's "eyes and ears" in the nation's public schools. They'll be reporting to 750 Liberty Counsel lawyers who are ready to pounce if, for example, a teacher is muzzled from leading the third-graders in "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing."
An additional 800 attorneys from another conservative legal group, the Alliance Defense Fund, are standing by as part of a similar effort, the Christmas Project. Its slogan: "Merry Christmas. It's OK to say it."
Fanning the Yule log of discontent against what the Liberty Counsel calls "grinches" like the American Civil Liberties Union are evangelical-led organizations including the 150,000-member American Family Association. It has called for a boycott of Target stores next weekend. The chain's crime, according to the group, is a ban on the use of "Merry Christmas" in stores, an accusation the chain denies.
On his show last week, Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly offered a list of other retailers that he says refuse to use "Merry Christmas" in their store advertising.
In signing on to "Friend or Foe" this month, Falwell urged the 500,000 recipients of his weekly "Falwell Confidential" e-mail to "draw a line in the sand and resist bullying tactics of the ACLU and others who intimidate school and government officials by spreading misinformation about Christmas."
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11.20.05 - 8:19 am | #
"we could shove a tube up Cheney's ass and collect the emissions to drive the public bus system in Fresno.
Ba'al"
Sometimes...the treatment is worse than the disease =x
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:22 am | #
But as long as w & co are in power, they will only get more of the same.
ql in ny
So the sooner, the better as to leaving them alone. 80% of Iraqis want us out (Pew), let's go already. Or let those who want to stay, pay the bills.
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11.20.05 - 8:22 am | #
Rmj
It is truly amazing to see signs of sanity. Of course, the headline writers of the news sections of the Chronk are still certifiably insane, editorials not withstanding. But soon the thorazine will kick on for them too.
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11.20.05 - 8:22 am | #
Did Cheney ever hang wallpaper for a living?
bill |
11.20.05 - 8:23 am | #
I got to disagree. It is one of the best things to happen to politics in quite a while.
Um, "FIERY WRECK!" is kind of a ... thing 'round here.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:23 am | #
And OT, but this was kind of amusing/lame/funy/not surprising:
"NEW YORK (AFP) - Match.com, one of the top Internet dating websites, has been accused of hiring people as "date bait" to date some of their one million customers to encourage them to keep paying for the service.
A Los Angeles racketeering lawsuit said the lonely hearts website secretly recruited people to send enticing emails to its customers and to go out on dates with them as a way of getting them to keep up their 30 dollars monthly subscription.
The company's ringers, branded "date bait", went on as many as 100 dates a month -- three per day -- with Match.com customers, who use the site to search for boyfriends, girlfriends, and possible husbands and wives.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:24 am | #
jdw - thanks for the cat fix
my cats are so pissed about the cold
The company's ringers, branded "date bait", went on as many as 100 dates a month -- three per day -- with Match.com customers, who use the site to search for boyfriends, girlfriends, and possible husbands and wives.
Gee, Nim, you're a lawyer. There's a word for that, isn't there?
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11.20.05 - 8:26 am | #
I got to disagree. It is one of the best things to happen to politics in quite a while.
Um, "FIERY WRECK!" is kind of a ... thing 'round here.
res ipsa loquitur
That's because they see the cup half empty.
Honestly look at just how motivated Bush has made opposing political grassroots. I can't say the same for most of the political class. They seem to travel the safest poll driven path.
But the regular Joes and Janes are pissed off.
fester |
11.20.05 - 8:26 am | #
While I do believe we are the problem and should get out ASAP, we seriously destroyed Iraq. We owe the Iraqis something
This sounds like a little more than a "dating" service.
bill |
11.20.05 - 8:26 am | #
It is truly amazing to see signs of sanity. Of course, the headline writers of the news sections of the Chronk are still certifiably insane, editorials not withstanding. But soon the thorazine will kick on for them too.
Ba'al
Maybe the Chronical is getting the picture, but the Washington Post is still drinking the kool-aid
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11.20.05 - 8:26 am | #
I sincerely hope my university follows the lead of the University of California System.
Christian Schools Bring Suit Against UC
Civil rights action says the system's admissions policy discriminates against students who are taught creationism and religious viewpoints.
By David Rosenzweig
Times Staff Writer
August 27, 2005
Amid the growing national debate over the mixing of religion and science in America's classrooms, University of California admissions officials have been accused in a federal civil rights lawsuit of discriminating against high schools that teach creationism and other conservative Christian viewpoints.
The suit was filed in Los Angeles federal court Thursday by the Assn. of Christian Schools International, which represents more than 800 religious schools in the state, and by the Calvary Chapel Christian School in Murrieta, which has an enrollment of more than 1,000.
Under a policy implemented with little fanfare a year ago, UC admissions authorities have refused to certify high school science courses that use textbooks challenging Darwin's theory of evolution, the suit says.
Other courses rejected by UC officials include "Christianity's Influence in American History," "Christianity and Morality in American Literature" and "Special Providence: American Government."
The 10-campus UC system requires applicants to complete a variety of courses, including science, mathematics, history, literature and the arts. But in letters to Calvary Chapel, university officials said some of the school's Christian-oriented courses were too narrow to be acceptable.
According to the lawsuit, UC's board of admissions also advised the school that it would not approve biology and science courses that relied primarily on textbooks published by Bob Jones University Press and A Beka Books, two Christian publishers.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:27 am | #
I know two people who met their spouses through Match.com
ql in ny |
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11.20.05 - 8:27 am | #
That was wierd. The new paste was replaced with the old paste.
bill |
11.20.05 - 8:28 am | #
watertiger ...
What cooking class are you taking?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:28 am | #
While I do believe we are the problem and should get out ASAP, we seriously destroyed Iraq. We owe the Iraqis something
This sounds like a little more than a "dating" service.
bill
It is. But we went to the bathroom and skipped on the check.
We don't owe it to them to stay.
We do it to repair the country. To treat the DU tainted victims. To treat the traumatized victims.
Pull the troops and send in the Peace Corp.
fester |
11.20.05 - 8:29 am | #
I have lots of thoughts this day but just trying to find a way to voice them. This is a brief one.
Spent part of yesterday with the "hunting" portion of the extended family. They are pretty much disgusted by the Iraq Debacle. I said, well, at least the homosexuals are not getting married. The reply was, "Kill em all." To this I pointed out that they were not hurting anyone and they certainly were not requiring you to be a homosexual, so what's the difference. I continued, they are kind of like the anti-hunter people.
After much discussion of similarities, won concensus that since they are not really bothering anyone - we should live and let live.
One small victory on the way to a vocal majority.
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11.20.05 - 8:29 am | #
I know two people who met their spouses through Match.com
ql in ny
They may have some interesting pillow talk in the near future
bill |
11.20.05 - 8:29 am | #
Dianne, I saw that too.
It is truly fricking weird/scary/disgraceful/Spock with a beard when the editorial stance of the WaPo lies to the right of the Houston Chronicle. Talk about needing to get outside of the beltway!
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11.20.05 - 8:30 am | #
" I know two people who met their spouses through Match.com
ql in ny"
Well as the article points out....it's a weird business model. Because succeeding is one of the best ways to kill off your income. But so is total failure. The best thing for them is to keep a subscriber supplied with dates...just not very successful ones ^_^
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:31 am | #
KEEP THE PRESSURE ON ....
What I Knew Before the Invasion
By Bob Graham
Sunday, November 20, 2005; B07
In the past week President Bush has twice attacked Democrats for being hypocrites on the Iraq war. "[M]ore than 100 Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power," he said.
The president's attacks are outrageous. Yes, more than 100 Democrats voted to authorize him to take the nation to war. Most of them, though, like their Republican colleagues, did so in the legitimate belief that the president and his administration were truthful in their statements that Saddam Hussein was a gathering menace -- that if Hussein was not disarmed, the smoking gun would become a mushroom cloud.
The president has undermined trust. No longer will the members of Congress be entitled to accept his veracity. Caveat emptor has become the word. Every member of Congress is on his or her own to determine the truth.
As chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, and the run-up to the Iraq war, I probably had as much access to the intelligence on which the war was predicated as any other member of Congress.
I, too, presumed the president was being truthful -- until a series of events undercut that confidence.
I do think it's sort of stupid not to say "Merry Christmas" --- on the actual day, that is. Kind of like it would be stupid to say "Happy secular Jewish holiday!" on the first day of Hanukah.
But this idea that Christmas somehow encompasses more than one "holiday," and lasts from October 31 through January 2, is what's REALLY gotten out of hand.
It's a day. That some people celebrate religiously. And others do not. This whole idea of "Happy Holidays" is stupid because most people only celebrate one of the "holidays" that occur during the "holiday season."
Let's just get real and start calling October 31 through January 2 "the Shopping Season."
# 284 - Diocletian was chosen as Roman Emperor.
# 1407 - A solemn truce between John, Duke of Burgundy and Louis of Valois, Duke of Orléans is agreed under the auspicies of John, Duke of Berry. Orléans would be assassinated three days later by Burgundy.
# 1700 - Great Northern War: Battle of Narva - King Charles XII of Sweden defeats the army of Tsar Peter the Great at Narva.
# 1789 - New Jersey becomes the first U.S. state to ratify the Bill of Rights.
# 1945 - Nuremberg Trials begin: Trials against 24 Nazi war criminals start at the Nuremberg Palace of Justice.
# 1947 - The Princess Elizabeth marries Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten at Westminster Abbey in London.
1962 - Cuban Missile Crisis ends: In response to the Soviet Union agreeing to remove its missiles from Cuba, US President John F. Kennedy ends the quarantine of the Caribbean nation.
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11.20.05 - 8:35 am | #
Good morning!
Was reading NYT when the site lurched on my screen. Hitting Refresh, the story on post-Katrina FEMA & Red Cross bogus payouts had been re-headlined from:
"Payouts for little but spoiled food in the freezer"
to "Storm hit little, but aid flowed to inland cities"
Guess the daytime editor showed up. Night shift too colorful.
el |
11.20.05 - 8:35 am | #
watertiger ...
I want to take a knife skills class over at the former Kumps (forgot what they call it now).
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:35 am | #
nim
hmm... that was actually my match.com experience.
Am happily married now to someone I met at my pingpong club. (This is actually true).
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:35 am | #
You GO, DWD! How the hell did you manage that? My winger family members won't put down their Leinenkugel's long enough to form a coherent thought.
tinfoil hattie |
11.20.05 - 8:36 am | #
Um, "FIERY WRECK!" is kind of a ... thing 'round here.
res ipsa loquitur
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and I for one love to see it
thanks res ipsa
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11.20.05 - 8:36 am | #
"Am happily married now to someone I met at my pingpong club. (This is actually true).
Ba'al"
How does she feel about all the burnt offerings?
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:36 am | #
The president has undermined trust. No longer will the members of Congress be entitled to accept his veracity. Caveat emptor has become the word. Every member of Congress is on his or her own to determine the truth.
So I guess that whole strategy from Friday night -- of not letting dems get away with calling Fredo a "liar" anymore -- isn't working too well for them.
BHAHAHHAHAHAHH!
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:36 am | #
cont.
# 1968 - Vietnam War: Eleven men comprising a Long Range Patrol team from F Company, 58th Infantry, 101st Airborne are surrounded and nearly wiped out by North Vietnamese army regulars from the 4th and 5th Regiment. The seven wounded survivors are rescued after several hours by an impromptu force made of other men from their unit.
# 1969 - Vietnam War: The Cleveland Plain Dealer publishes explicit photographs of dead villagers from the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.
# 1989 - Velvet Revolution: The number of protestors assembled in Prague, Czechoslovakia swells from 200,000 the day before to an estimated half-million.
# 1993 - Savings and Loan scandal: The United States Senate Ethics Committee issues a stern censure of California senator Alan Cranston for his "dealings" with savings-and-loan executive Charles Keating.
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11.20.05 - 8:36 am | #
She is from Sichuan province in China. Her chemosensory systems are shot.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:37 am | #
I second the motion. Happy shopping season!
el |
11.20.05 - 8:38 am | #
My wingnut brother now thinks Bush is a fool. He is still a wingnut, but maybe, just maybe, this is a bit of progress. I am not sure.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:39 am | #
met my wife in the classifieds of a local magazine..pre-internets, of course....
jdw |
11.20.05 - 8:39 am | #
res,
I contacted Blogger about that thing. Pretty sure it's illegal, and almost certainly malicious. It must have gone up the very day I took the site down, which means that someone had a bot watching the url (or was wathcing it themslves, but that's too creepy to contemplate).
NYMary |
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11.20.05 - 8:40 am | #
res,
ICE. (Institute of Culinary Education). That's where I go.
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11.20.05 - 8:41 am | #
I do think it's sort of stupid not to say "Merry Christmas" --- on the actual day, that is. Kind of like it would be stupid to say "Happy secular Jewish holiday!" on the first day of Hanukah.
It's stupid, but it's stupider to raise the issue to the level of a "civil right" or a "Christian" concern.
Ironic, too. The Puritans banned the word precisely because it included "-mas," which was a reference to it's origin as a special Mass in the Roman church.
I guarantee Wildmon is as virulently anti-RC as ever the Puritans were. He's just not as well-educated.
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11.20.05 - 8:41 am | #
NYMary ...
Wasn't that crazy? I thought you'd taken up a new career or something.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:41 am | #
watertiger ...
Is ICE the former Peter Kumps?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:41 am | #
I thought you'd taken up a new career or something.
The sites they link to are (or claim to be) child pornography.
Who knew Gary Glitter had a blog?
NYMary |
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11.20.05 - 8:42 am | #
I guarantee Wildmon is as virulently anti-RC as ever the Puritans were.
This is the hidden fissure in the religious right, I think.
NYMary |
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11.20.05 - 8:43 am | #
res,
yup. I've been taking classes there for a couple of years. Their knife class is the most popular. let me know when you want to take it - I love a good knife class!
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11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
watertiger ...
It is the former Kump's. My sis to me there once for a veggie cooking class. The woman that taught it was a world-class bitch, but I still use the recipes. And she taught me how to buy tomatoes.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
the Iraqis may gain by having an end to the crippling sanctions, the spent uranium shelling, the phoney indications of their possessing "weapons of mass destruction" that this country has been assured over and over and over again are trained on the american public, at the same time we scorch and singe their familys with white phosphorus (chemical weapons), and continue to make boo boos like slaughtering wedding parties then saying oopsie. President Bush made a joke of it at a lavish dinner party (its on film) as he pretended to look high and low for "weapons of mass destruction". Everyone had a good belly laugh at the expense of Iraqi civil unrest and a total loss of any type of societal continuity in their lives while we figure out what we think is the right thing for their country. This "war" (if you can call an unwarranted unauthorized unsanctioned attack and wholesale slaughter and occupation of another sovereign nation a "war") has been a knee jerk reaction of an administration out of control and in the hands of a severely brain damaged executive administrator who's father has purchased him another "corportation" to try his hand at. The american people have been sold a bill of goods who's manifest reads as a laundry list of lies deceptions and opportunic devices, window dressed a coccamamie "noble cause".
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11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
watertiger ...
Maybe we can do the knife class after the holidays. My sis would be into that, too.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
When they say "cut and run" isn't the "cut" part short for "cut your losses"? I think I'd prefer it over a "loiter and be slaughtered" policy.
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11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
"The President likes to stuff his _______ when wearning his flightsuit."
Brett: "friend, Bianca"?
watertiger
Charles Nelson Reilly: "I said 'bippy'."
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11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
res,
I've pretty much liked every teacher I've had, but maybe it's a "desserts" thing.
watertiger |
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11.20.05 - 8:45 am | #
My wingnut brother now thinks Bush is a fool. He is still a wingnut, but maybe, just maybe, this is a bit of progress. I am not sure.
Ba'al
But most of them won't learn a thing, will they? Some other fool will come along, and they'll jump right on that bandwagon too. It will never accur to them to examine their own decisions, their own actions.
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11.20.05 - 8:46 am | #
Oops, sorry, wrong thread. The Match Game thread is below.
And you know it's deer season when the windows on Liberal Mountain shake with gunshots. Sigh.
NYMary |
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11.20.05 - 8:46 am | #
The sites they link to are (or claim to be) child pornography.
That's what I suspected. I was JOKING, about the new career, btw.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:46 am | #
is that Mary?
So she really is the product of a good liberal fucking.
No, it was Elizabeth, who now leads the State Dept's 'Middle East Initiative'.
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 8:48 am | #
Bob Woodward is going to be on Larry King tomorrow night.
portia |
11.20.05 - 8:50 am | #
Moe Szyslak -- If I had any, I'd wager money that WalMart is backing Falwell et al.'s Target boycott. The fight for those dwindling holiday gift-buying dollars is here . . .
cs |
11.20.05 - 8:50 am | #
Bob Woodward is going to be on Larry King tomorrow night.
I heard that Queen Judy wouldn't take calls. I suspect Booby may do the same.
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 8:51 am | #
Pretty funny that Target is being boycotted by both the wacko Christians and the pro-choicers.
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11.20.05 - 8:52 am | #
portia
what are the odds that Larry King will ask him about things he said on his previous appearance instead of felating him, as he usually does the high and mighty.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 8:52 am | #
I tried telling my brother that he was supporting a crime cartel ... he wasnt having any of it. It's too important for him to identify and be accepted by his buddies and co-workers who talk big and see through materialistic eyes. He responded "Bush seems to have those terrorists on the run". Sadly again he's mistaken. Bush has done more for the terrorists insurgents jihadists etc. then a thousand poor ol' sick Osama Bin Ladins could have.
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 8:53 am | #
lower tiberius | 11.20.05 - 8:44 am | #
How about, ignorant masses duped and propped up by sycophants administering to the $ wishes of big business now determine fate of the country?
el |
11.20.05 - 8:53 am | #
"Bob Woodward is going to be on Larry King tomorrow night."
larry eight wives will no doubt ask the tough questions...
jdw |
11.20.05 - 8:54 am | #
The fight for those dwindling holiday gift-buying dollars is here . . .
cs
I'm sure the retail numbers this year are going to be anemic at best, if not outright miserable. Which leads me to believe there would be a huge market for Exxon and HMOs to start selling holiday gift cards.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:55 am | #
And then there were twenty seven families devastated by the death of their child this week alone . . .
DWD - Ego Driven |
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11.20.05 - 8:55 am | #
" And then there were twenty seven families devastated by the death of their child this week alone . . .
DWD - Ego Driven"
...and we won't be respecting their memories unless we feed another 27 into the meat grinder. Wingnut logic is hideous.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 8:57 am | #
in my biz advertising i use the 'happy holidays' thing...it's easier then listing all of them plus having to know what is appropriate for each person...
jdw |
11.20.05 - 8:57 am | #
what are the odds that Larry King will ask him about things he said on his previous appearance instead of felating him, as he usually does the high and mighty.
I'm guessing that they've already worked out some kind of a deal...but Larry HAS to mention some of the things he said on his previous appearance - because it's part of the story now.
portia |
11.20.05 - 8:57 am | #
Bob Woodward is going to be on Larry King tomorrow night.
Great, Larry can lob beachballs for Woodward to hit out of the park. Show your face on Keith. Double dog dare yah
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11.20.05 - 8:57 am | #
According to the lawsuit, UC's board of admissions also advised the school that it would not approve biology and science courses that relied primarily on textbooks published by Bob Jones University Press and A Beka Books, two Christian publishers.
Ba'al -- 8:27 am
the jeebo-fascists will destroy from the outside any institution they cannot corrupt from within...
whaddaya think UT do--admittedly UT schools are not as selective in their admissions as UC, but still, i'd be pretty sure that there's a plethora of wacko fundie 'calvary-style' schools in Texas...
state's have to withdraw accreditation from these bible mills, imo...
i'm glad i'm no longer in a position in which i would have to deal with these folks...
and they should be glad, too...
ps: buenas dias, murcielagos de luna...
ah, yeah: Franco's still dead (30 years ago today)
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 8:58 am | #
Hullo! Still lacking most of my red blood cells!
Anything happen while I've been re-charging?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 8:58 am | #
My parents, their 8 kids, the in-laws, neices, nephews, and grandchildren-- soemthing 40 people in all-- agreed to cancel the gift-giving this year and spend money instead on Katrina relief. Half of the family is wingnut, half sensible, but they all agreed on that. I wonder how many others are doing the same, and what effect that will have on the economy. Non-profits in New Orleans probably don't have much of a profit margin.
Moe Szyslak |
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11.20.05 - 8:58 am | #
in my biz advertising i use the 'happy holidays' thing...it's easier then listing all of them plus having to know what is appropriate for each person...
Oh I see what's going on here! You are being sensitive to the fact that not all your clients/customers are Christians! You...you...you despicable LIBERAL!
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 8:58 am | #
"in my biz advertising i use the 'happy holidays' thing...it's easier then listing all of them plus having to know what is appropriate for each person..."
Another unhinged liberal waging War on Christmas!
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
11.20.05 - 9:00 am | #
in my biz advertising i use the 'happy holidays' thing
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cut to the chase. It's all about the SOLSTICE.
el |
11.20.05 - 9:00 am | #
I wonder how many others are doing the same, and what effect that will have on the economy.
I am doing charitable donations in the name of the donee this year instead of gifts. I'm sick of buying shit anyway.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:00 am | #
"Oh I see what's going on here! You are being sensitive to the fact that not all your clients/customers are Christians! You...you...you despicable LIBERAL!
res ipsa loquitur "
I am not sure what they do at UT. I think they should follow the lead of their Betters in the UC system.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 9:01 am | #
Nobody outside of Edinburgh properly reverences Hogmanay. Do I complain? Do I force O'Rielly to mention it? Do I demand that schools teach Hogmanay rituals?
"I wonder how many others are doing the same, and what effect that will have on the economy."
we were gonna cut back bigtime this year, but this month we needed a snowblower and a vacuum, so we decided that those were gonna stand as gifts to each other...we also decided, given the cost of heating, no outside lights this year...fuck big energy...
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:03 am | #
If someone were to google Meadow Mountain Massacre they would find some history of the "humble" beginnings of an exclusively american made religion based in Utah.
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 9:03 am | #
I am not sure what they do at UT. I think they should follow the lead of their Betters in the UC system.
Ba'al 9:01 am
isn't UH part of the UT system?
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:03 am | #
Your family would be well advised to avoid the big charities and invest via some homegrown venture. Check out NYT story today, re: indiscriminate doling out of funds to whomever shows up in counties without much damage.
el |
11.20.05 - 9:03 am | #
PS: Warren Jeffs is still on the lam from the feds. Look for him somewhere between Short Creek and East Texas.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:04 am | #
ah, yeah: Franco's still dead (30 years ago today)
I hoped that Zapatero would commemorate the bastard by blowing up that fucking atrocious shrine that Franco built to himself with forced labour.
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 9:04 am | #
I wonder how many others are doing the same, and what effect that will have on the economy.
I am doing charitable donations in the name of the donee this year instead of gifts. I'm sick of buying shit anyway.
res ipsa loquitur
That's the first good news I've had today.
I'm one of those scrooges who loathes this time of year. It brings out the worst in me and many of the people I know.
Diane |
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11.20.05 - 9:04 am | #
I'm sick of buying shit anyway.
res ipsa loquitur
You really do reach a point where you just don't want anymore stuff. We got rid of a truckload of "stuff" accumulated over 25 years. Don't miss any of it.
Now my new 5 mega pixel, with a lithium battery digital camera on the other hand...
ql in ny |
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11.20.05 - 9:04 am | #
Murtha's on MTP - Biden's on Fox
portia |
11.20.05 - 9:05 am | #
I wonder how many others are doing the same, and what effect that will have on the economy.
I am doing charitable donations in the name of the donee this year instead of gifts. I'm sick of buying shit anyway.
res ipsa loquitur
All I can tell you is the mall near me (real near, like 1/4 mile away) is already jammed. (Of course, the schools are out all week for Thxgiving, so that may have something to do with it).
Me, I'm giving cookies and breads and cakes. Again. Same thing every year. Worst cost is shipping the stuff.
So Whole Foods and King Arthur Flour get my money; but they would, anyway.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus |
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11.20.05 - 9:05 am | #
"I wonder how many others are doing the same, and what effect that will have on the economy."
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Here, the kids get presents and adults get cards.
el |
11.20.05 - 9:05 am | #
Since when do you have to register to stream AAR?
bill |
11.20.05 - 9:06 am | #
isn't UH part of the UT system?
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
Franco's Ghost must be smiling at the fascist so-called Christian nation the US of A has become.
Sidhra |
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11.20.05 - 9:07 am | #
jdw - Put out luminarias on Christmas Eve. It's what poor folk have done for many years - to celebrate the birth of the Christ Child, rather than the arrival of Santa MBNA.... Paper bags, cheap candles and the high possibility of a really good bonfire if you dont put in enough sand at the bottom of the bag!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:07 am | #
Me, I'm giving cookies and breads and cakes.
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What can I do to get on your list?
el |
11.20.05 - 9:07 am | #
Your family would be well advised to avoid the big charities and invest via some homegrown venture.
My wife and I were talking about this just yesterday. We certainly don't want to give to the Red Cross. Haven't checked yet to see what Oxfam is doing down there. Anyone got any good charities, preferably locally-managed dealing with at-risk populations? We'd particularly like to give to a local group in the Ninth Ward protecting the residents from the land-grab, or from the "kick-the-blacks-out" movement.
Moe Szyslak |
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11.20.05 - 9:07 am | #
Warren Jeffs is still on the lam from the feds. Look for him somewhere between Short Creek and East Texas.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar 9:04 am
i heard on a call in to Fatuous Eddie that Jeffs is in a place called "Liberty" Tx (iirc), building a Branch Davidian-style compound...
anybody know where "liberty, Tx" is?
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:07 am | #
Thank Portia,
hope you are feeling better.
Sean |
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11.20.05 - 9:08 am | #
For all you ignoramuses out there, I give you Hogmanay
(Well someone had to google it)
ql in ny |
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11.20.05 - 9:08 am | #
great idea, gwpda....that just might do...
we also felt good about the snowblower purchase as we got a good deal, plus the darn thing is still made in america...god only knows where the vacuum was made(hoover)....
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:08 am | #
Great Moments In Diplomacy:
After bashing the Chinese from Japan and South Korea Bush heads to China where he will ask for a reevaluation of the yuan,greater access to its markets and demand that its 1.4 billion people go holy roller Christian.
notch |
11.20.05 - 9:09 am | #
You really do reach a point where you just don't want anymore stuff.
Yes. A couple of friends will probably go out for a nice dinner the week after new years, but the buying crap is over.
I do usually get a tree, however. I like looking at it. Makes me happy.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:09 am | #
I'm one of those scrooges who loathes this time of year. It brings out the worst in me and many of the people I know.
Diane
Me too! Me too! Even when I have red blood cells the whole thing makes me want to pull up the covers and not get up til Hogmanay.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:09 am | #
Thanks, Sean, I'm feeling much better.
portia |
11.20.05 - 9:10 am | #
And the words . . . .
I Dream a World
I dream a world where man
No other man will scorn,
Where love will bless the earth
And peace its paths adorn
I dreama world where all
Will know sweet freedom's way,
Where greed no longer saps the soul
Nor avarice blights our day.
A world I dream where black or white,
Whatever race you be,
Will share the bounties of the earth
And every man is free,
Where wretchedness will hang its head
And joy, like a pearl,
Attends the needs of all mankind-
Of such I dream, my world!
"humble" beginnings of an exclusively american made religion based in Utah.
lower tiberius
One could also read "Under the Banner of Heaven."
ql in ny |
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11.20.05 - 9:10 am | #
Anyone got any good charities, preferably locally-managed dealing with at-risk populations?
Moe ... I think I am going to do Doctors w/o Borders this year. I did them for tsunami and Pakistan earthquake.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:10 am | #
Murtagh on telling why his beliefs have changed since a year ago. No progress in the last year, still unarmed HUMV's, etc.
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:11 am | #
It's the fire ceremonies that are the most fun. Particularly since everyone involved is stinking drunk. Wheeeee!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:11 am | #
Sorry, Jeffs is building his redoubt in Eldorado, Tx.
which just happens to be in the vicinity of Waco (and Crawford)...
coinkie-dinkie?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:11 am | #
Nobody outside of Edinburgh properly reverences Hogmanay.
Well, and thank god. The alcohol poisoning would wipe out the eastern seaboard.
Finny |
11.20.05 - 9:11 am | #
Boycotting retailers because they refuse to give Christmas the honors Christians feel is due amuses me no end. Seems like only yesterday Christians (of which I'm one) were apoplectic about the retailers commercializing Christmas!
kmc |
11.20.05 - 9:11 am | #
Moe, I like Oxfam for international efforts and have donated to them, but I don't know specifically what they're doing in NO.
TheOtherWA |
11.20.05 - 9:11 am | #
p.s. but I'm not one of apoplectic ones. just amused and bemused by it all.
kmc |
11.20.05 - 9:12 am | #
I do usually get a tree, however. I like looking at it. Makes me happy.
res ipsa loquitur
But how does the tree feel? Have you thought of a potted Norfolk pine?
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:13 am | #
WGG
Oddly enough, UH is a system of its own, with five campuses and about 55,000 students. In a more rational world it would be part of the UT system, and some of these campuses would be closed.
It will never happen.
By the way, UH is the most diverse research university in the United States. It is currently a majority-minority institution; about 40% of students are white. The rest are pretty much evenly distributed beween Latinos, Asians, and African Americans.
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 9:13 am | #
They really ought to send John Negroponte back to Iraq. It would be just like old home week...
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:13 am | #
"Yes. A couple of friends will probably go out for a nice dinner the week after new years, but the buying crap is over.
I do usually get a tree, however. I like looking at it. Makes me happy.
res ipsa loquitur"
the cats love the tree, too...the wife goes crazy at this time of year, she's generous to a fault...all her nieces and nephews(and man, can them pollocks breed!) get tons of stuff...what bugs me isn't that she spends the $, but that she agonizes over every gift and spends hours running around trying to find stuff...
one year after the kids had opened all their stuff i pointed out to her that all of the crap they had got was put aside and the kids all were playing in an empty cardboard box.....and having a blast...
kids are way too materialistic and pampered with consumer shit these days...
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:13 am | #
The alcohol poisoning would wipe out the eastern seaboard.
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nope, we're used to it
el |
11.20.05 - 9:13 am | #
all the people I knew that worked on the Hogmanay celebration got layed off when Capitol One started offering their credit card.
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 9:14 am | #
Since when do you have to register to stream AAR?
bill - 9:06 am
they're gonna eliminate free-streaming, and charge a subscription, too?
what kind of stupid, moronic mutherfockers are incharge there?
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:14 am | #
Good morning.
Why do I feel as if I've been fibbed to a little bit the last few years?
Maybe it's just me.
infidel |
11.20.05 - 9:14 am | #
What's in your wallet? :o)
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 9:15 am | #
ooooh, now Murtha on being called a coward ... would hope take this as a responsible recommendation, not taking personally, blames the rethugs for giving her the role to play.
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:15 am | #
they're gonna eliminate free-streaming, and charge a subscription, too?
Free streaming via registration. Paid access to archives, though? Has AirAmericaPlace been given a cease and desist? Dumbfucks.
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 9:15 am | #
I do usually get a tree, however. I like looking at it. Makes me happy.
res ipsa loquitur
But how does the tree feel? Have you thought of a potted Norfolk pine?
Ruth
I like the rosemary bushes trained into a 'tree' shape. They're nicely dense, have little blue berries and smell very nice. A good plant for afterwards too.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:15 am | #
man, can them pollocks breed!
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right-o, my dad, a pollock, has 7 sibs.
el |
11.20.05 - 9:16 am | #
"I like the rosemary bushes trained into a 'tree' shape."
i could never get a rosemary to live beyond a couple months inside the house...i found a way to kill every last one of 'em...
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:17 am | #
Boycotting retailers because they refuse to give Christmas the honors Christians feel is due amuses me no end. Seems like only yesterday Christians (of which I'm one) were apoplectic about the retailers commercializing Christmas!
That's a 9/10 mindset.
NTodd, Incredible Pants |
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11.20.05 - 9:17 am | #
I really liked Bob Graham's BlogGraham during the presidential primary campaign. He had some good posters working for him over there.
cs |
11.20.05 - 9:18 am | #
But how does the tree feel? Have you thought of a potted Norfolk pine?
Oh fuck. Let the self-flagellation begin. How big is this potted tree? How expensive? Where does one get one?
I'm not guaranteeing that I'll get one. If I don't, I'll call into the last "Liberal Confessional" before Maron leaves the show (I've been on once already).
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:18 am | #
"right-o, my dad, a pollock, has 7 sibs.
el"
haha...it's them wide childbearing hips, is what i tell the wife...
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:18 am | #
According to CNN the chimp is "toning down the rhetoric" against Murtha. Is he feeling the heat or is this just good cop/bad cop?
JT |
11.20.05 - 9:18 am | #
According to CNN the chimp is "toning down the rhetoric" against Murtha. Is he feeling the heat or is this just good cop/bad cop?
JT |
11.20.05 - 9:18 am | #
We've got this spruce in our front yard. We inherited it from the previous owners. It's a bad choice-- it will grow to buckle the sidewalk, and it's kinda ugly, really. So I'm going to run a string of Christmas lights out to it, then chop the thing down on Christmas Day, just to make some sort of statement.
Moe Szyslak |
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11.20.05 - 9:18 am | #
Hogmanay of the sack,
Hogmanay of the sack,
Strike the hide
Strike the hide
Hogmanay of the sack,
Hogmanay of the sack,
Beat the skin
Beat the skin
Hogmanay of the sack,
Hogmanay of the sack,
Down with it! Up with it!
Strike the hide
Hogmanay of the sack,
Hogmanay of the sack,
Down with it! Up with it!
Beat the skin.
Hogmanay of the sack,
Hogmanay of the sack,
From the Carmina Gadelica(so you know it's traditional! AND authentic!)
Rmj, Wandering Aengus |
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11.20.05 - 9:19 am | #
what kind of stupid, moronic mutherfockers are incharge there?
The kind of stupid, moronic mutherfockers that would send my beloved "Morning Sedition" packing, Woody.
FUCK YOU, DANNY GOLDBERG!
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:19 am | #
Murtha's telling it like it is.
Timmah: Rumsfeld said the commanders got everything they requested."
Murtha: "Com eon, Tim. They fired Shinsheki when he told them they needed 200,000 troops. They didn't have enough body armor, people had to buy their own body armor!"
TheOtherWA |
11.20.05 - 9:19 am | #
Is he feeling the heat or is this just good cop/bad cop?
Neither.
He's too wasted to speak clearly.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:20 am | #
According to CNN the chimp is "toning down the rhetoric" against Murtha. Is he feeling the heat or is this just good cop/bad cop?
Bush personally? They must mean Rove, since Chimpy is too busy trying not to fall off a bike in China.
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 9:20 am | #
i could never get a rosemary to live beyond a couple months inside the house...i found a way to kill every last one of 'em...
T'aint an indoor plant. Plant it in a sunny, sheltered spot outdoors in the spring.
For potted trees, I saw some nice ones at Target for $20 - about three feet tall, not Norfolk Island pines, but real little pines.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:21 am | #
i could never get a rosemary to live beyond a couple months inside the house...i found a way to kill every last one of 'em...
Me, either. I think Hecate and/or GWPDA told me they need A LOT of sun (and maybe sandy soil).
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:21 am | #
"But how does the tree feel? Have you thought of a potted Norfolk pine?"
when i had an appartment and limited space, that's what i did....loved the simplicity of it, plus it greened the place up...
but the wife must be appeased...at least i've got her to the point where we don't need to waste an entire day traveling out to the boonies to cut a live one that's overpriced and shoddy just so we can get 'the experience' of the hayride that comes 'free' with the tree...
now's it's just go to the nearest lot and find a good one..
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:21 am | #
Boycotting retailers because they refuse to give Christmas the honors Christians feel is due amuses me no end.
My take is this: if you want a shop to put the Christ back in Christmas, then you're only allowed to buy gold, frankincense and myrrh. Or sheep.
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 9:22 am | #
How do your propagate rosemary? slips? seed? please dont say black magic
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 9:22 am | #
Speaking of trees...Want to make a fiscal conservative's head explode?
Depends on who has to clean up the mess.
NTodd, Incredible Pants |
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11.20.05 - 9:22 am | #
I want a big-assed tree. I have 10' ceilings. I want pine needles all over the house until fourth of July. I want the place to reek of tree.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:23 am | #
Now since we came to the country
To renew to you the Hogmanay,
Time will not allow us to explain,
It has been since the age of our fathers.
Ascending the wall of the house,
Descending at the door,
My carol to say modestly,
As becomes me at the Hogmanay.
The Hogmanay skin is in my pocket
Great the fume that will come from that;
No one who shall inhale its odour,
But shall be for ever from it healthy.
The house-man will get it in his grasp,
He will put its point in the fire;
He will go sunwise round the children,
And very specially round the goodwife.
The wife will ge it, she is is who deserves it,
The hand to distribue the Hogmanay,
The hand to bestow upon us cheese and butter,
The hand without niggardliness, without meanness.
Since drought has come upon this land,
And that we do not expect rarity,
A little of the substance of the summer,
Would we desire with the bread.
If that we are not to have it,
If thou mayest, do not detain us;
I am the servant of God's Son on Hogmanay,
Arise thyself and open the door.
Hogmanay here! Hogmanay here!
Rmj, Wandering Aengus |
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11.20.05 - 9:23 am | #
Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.
that's Bushco's M.O.
He wouldn't be too pleased with this president, would he?
portia |
11.20.05 - 9:23 am | #
res: 'Let the self-flagellation begin. ' there you go, that's the classic celebration mode.
No more than a real tree, and sorry, just thought I'd throw it in. Holly and ivy, also, costs as much as you like or as little. There's probably an adoption service for trees as well! The original tree was brought into peasant huts to get rid of fleas. Shades of Tom DeLay.
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:23 am | #
"i'll take 'white phosphorus and torture' for 800, Alex!"
mogwai |
11.20.05 - 9:24 am | #
We need a place to document the Sunday morning atrocities of Pumpkin-head, the consummate journalistic wannabe WH insider.
Does kissing Bush butt get you anywhere - like it got ole Woody a couple of best seller books. Maybe Pumpkin-head owes his whole career to doing whatever GE executive Jack Welch told him to do. It sure looked that way to me. So when Bush goes down the tubes, can we finally get better journalist in news media? I'm all for firing those Birt Hume wannabes.
Cheryl |
11.20.05 - 9:24 am | #
We've got this spruce in our front yard. We inherited it from the previous owners. It's a bad choice-- it will grow to buckle the sidewalk, and it's kinda ugly, really.
Canadian traditions - in Calgary schools, in the fourth grade, they do a whole segment on forestry, lumber, stuff like that. And every kid goes home with a baby Alberta Blue Spruce. Damned city is covered with Blue Spruce, this stunt's been going on now for like sixty years....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:24 am | #
Me, either. I think Hecate and/or GWPDA told me they need A LOT of sun (and maybe sandy soil).
About 20-percent sand in well-drained soil and feed it coffee grounds once in a while.
The problem with the strains of topiary rosemary out there is that they're not very disease-resistant.
infidel |
11.20.05 - 9:24 am | #
Americans Want Troops Out of Iraq Within A Year
Most adults in the United States believe an exit strategy should be implemented in Iraq soon, according to a poll by Gallup released by CNN and USA Today.
A stunning 52% percent of respondents believe all U.S. soldiers should withdraw from Iraq either immediately or over the next 12 months.
George Bush is out of touch and out of time.
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Dartanyon |
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11.20.05 - 9:24 am | #
My take is this: if you want a shop to put the Christ back in Christmas, then you're only allowed to buy gold, frankincense and myrrh. Or sheep.
Isn't putting stuff on your Gold Mastercard pretty much the same thing?
NTodd, Incredible Pants |
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11.20.05 - 9:24 am | #
T'aint an indoor plant. Plant it in a sunny, sheltered spot outdoors in the spring.
Then how come in all those trashy Adrian Lyne commercials ... oops! I mean, fine Adrian Lyne films, the 23-year-old taut, tanned, and rich proprietor of the 5,000-square foot loft or 10,000-square foot ninteenth century farmhouse has a gorgeous rosemary bush in a tastefully weathered terra cotta pot thriving indoors?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:25 am | #
this might be the last decent day to rake leaves and put in bulbs, so later folks....
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:25 am | #
this might be the last decent day to rake leaves and put in bulbs, so later folks....
jdw |
11.20.05 - 9:25 am | #
So, Murtha says in reaction to Pumpkinhead's question, "Did the administration mislead us into war?"
Paraphrasing, No, I think they exaggerated certain intelligence but no administration would deliberately mislead us into war . . . .
Ummmm, question: isn't exaggerating information to achieve a desired end the same thing as misleading?
DWD - Ego Driven |
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11.20.05 - 9:25 am | #
So I'm going to run a string of Christmas lights out to it, then chop the thing down on Christmas Day,
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Be sure to unplug before chopping
el |
11.20.05 - 9:26 am | #
RMJ, whre do you find these things?
Ba'al |
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11.20.05 - 9:26 am | #
RMJ, I do believe that those songs capture perfectly the true spirit of Hogmanany. Let us beat things and make loud noises incoherently! Let us make sure that there's enough to eat and drink! Let us absentmindedly mention the Christian connexion to the whole thing! And let's make a serious pass at our neighbour's wife and challenge her ownership!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! First footing!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.20.05 - 9:27 am | #
put in bulbs, so later folks....
jdw | Email | 11.20.05 - 9:25 am | #
hey, good idea, bulbs...later!
el |
11.20.05 - 9:28 am | #
GWPDA-- you'll be glad to hear we have a nice Canadian maple growing on the other side of the front yard. Beautiful tree.
Moe Szyslak |
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11.20.05 - 9:28 am | #
Ruth ...
I wouldn't be opposed to getting a live tree and then planting it, but I live in the city and would have to schlep it out to my sister's beau's place in the country.
That said, NYC has a very good mulching program for Xmas trees. You drag them to the corner, they pick them up, and either mulch them (those wind up in beds at the parks) or use them to shore up the dunes out at the beaches.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:28 am | #
RMJ, whre do you find these things?
Ba'al
In the 19th century, during the first "folklore" craze (Brothers Grimm, etc.), Alexander Carmichael worked for the British government in the Scottish highlands, and started writing down all the prayers and songs of the people just before they vanished from everyday use.
He collected them in a multi-volume work he called "Carmina Gadelica," or "Heart of the Gaels."
I have the one volume version, with all the prayers, songs, and incantations, and only a few of the copious notes Carmichael included in the original.
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11.20.05 - 9:29 am | #
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! First footing!
Wheee! Traditional misogyny!
pseudonymous in nc |
11.20.05 - 9:29 am | #
You know, RIL and others, whether one believes in Christianity or not the ideals of the Prince of Peace are good ideals.
I mean, I don't particularly believe in Druidic tradition (Or whatever) but we still decorate the house for Halloween.
Seeking peace above all, learning to love our enemies, caring for each other, separating religion from commercialism, learning to tolerate those who are different from us, and blessing all men as children of God are NOT negative
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11.20.05 - 9:30 am | #
Let us absentmindedly mention the Christian connexion to the whole thing!
Just enough to let us get away with being completely disrespectful of order!
Eldorado, Tx. is one very strange place.
I was there for a few days last year and saw noone on the streets. Walking or rideing.
There were no kids to be seen, altho the school was two blocks away.
It is a strange place
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11.20.05 - 9:30 am | #
He collected them in a multi-volume work he called "Carmina Gadelica,"
From which came the short-lived tv sci-fi show, Battlestar Gadelica, about a large, glowing ball of matter swinging through the universe???
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:31 am | #
Amazing collection of nearly everythign you can imagine having to deal with man's relationship with religion.
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11.20.05 - 9:32 am | #
sn't putting stuff on your Gold Mastercard pretty much the same thing?
NTodd, Incredible Pants
From which came the short-lived tv sci-fi show, Battlestar Gadelica, about a large, glowing ball of matter swinging through the universe???
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
Short lived? Tell that to Edward James Olmos.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:33 am | #
res, didn't mean to lay any guilt on you, as I said, a little self flagellation in the old tradition. As to mulching, that's great - and so is the smell of evergreen trees. You can probably find some serious good causes selling them, as well
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:33 am | #
rummy is on every show except timbo's. is there a rift there now or did murtha knock rums out of his time slot? has rumfield been questioned about plame and woodward?
jello |
11.20.05 - 9:33 am | #
I didn't realize you were Canadian.
Of course if had received the red ass you did for your idiotic defense of a seventy year old man sleeping with young girls to test his celibacy I would be angry too.
What a tool you are.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:34 am | #
www.cfcausa.org
An excellent charity for those looking for one..... $20 a month gives your person clothing, education, medical care. Person I heard talk about it had been a recipient growing up in Kenya and he now sponsors someone in Guatemala. You can make a one time donation if you like it less personal, but I think the human-to-human is tremendous. My new friend is a 14 yr old in a slum in Nairobi....
cgreen |
11.20.05 - 9:35 am | #
DWD
While what you say sounds nice, I still maintain that you should worship Ba'al
(בָּעַל
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11.20.05 - 9:35 am | #
From which came the short-lived tv sci-fi show, Battlestar Gadelica, about a large, glowing ball of matter swinging through the universe???
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
Short lived? Tell that to Edward James Olmos.
Looks like uncle fucker still has reading comp issues.
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11.20.05 - 9:35 am | #
I wonder if haloscan will accept my Hebrew spelling?
We've cut down our tree at the same place for several years and have gotten to know the family that manages the small tree lot on their farm. They plant the trees on their hillside to help prevent erosion and stagger the plantings so each year's thinning gives room for younger ones to grow. It really seems pretty environmentally benign to me . . .
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11.20.05 - 9:36 am | #
Of course if had received the red ass you did for your idiotic defense of a seventy year old man sleeping with young girls to test his celibacy I would be angry too.
My ass isn't red, and I'm not angry. You're just a dick.
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11.20.05 - 9:36 am | #
what I have learned from wingnuttia:
lying works!
propaganda works!
...hmm, maybe that is the only way we can win in this culture: lie and spew propaganda?!?
I am sure some great psycho-analyst has figured out the type of culture that accepts lying and propaganda above truth and their own perceptions...
mogwai |
11.20.05 - 9:36 am | #
An excellent charity for those looking for one..... $20 a month gives your person clothing, education, medical care. Person I heard talk about it had been a recipient growing up in Kenya and he now sponsors someone in Guatemala. You can make a one time donation if you like it less personal, but I think the human-to-human is tremendous. My new friend is a 14 yr old in a slum in Nairobi....
cgreen
Aren't many of those just scams though? Like that one Christian fund that didn't even bother to build a building in they country they claimed their children are.
They do seem to capitalize on distance .
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:37 am | #
the thing about trools is usually that they have neither the wit nor the vocabulary to 'get' or 'do' puns...
i suspect that's why punning threads act as such a superior trool prophylactic...
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:38 am | #
fester, you can get their audit etc on the website.
cgreen |
11.20.05 - 9:39 am | #
Seeking peace above all, learning to love our enemies, caring for each other, separating religion from commercialism, learning to tolerate those who are different from us, and blessing all men as children of God are NOT negative
My ass isn't red, and I'm not angry. You're just a dick.
NTodd, Incredible Pants
Tucker please my penis is none of your business. And if your ass has been used so much it isn't red anymore than that is your own.
So you would allow your twelve year old daughter to sleep with a seventy year old man to "test" his celibacy?
How enlightened you are.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:39 am | #
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! First footing!
Wheee! Traditional misogyny!
pseudonymous in nc
I suspect you're blond, aren't you.... Fear of BLOND MEN! Black haired men GOOD! Blond men - Saxons! BAD!
Gi' me another whiskey.
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11.20.05 - 9:39 am | #
Good morning, all. Has anyone yet pointed out the very good OpEd in the LA Times? There is something singularly appropriate about the fact that the Plame affair should involve Woodward, whose skillful and courageous use of the ur-voice among confidential sources virtually created a whole genre of Washington reporting. It's a journalistic strategy style dependent on the cultivation of access to well-placed officials greased by promises of "confidentiality." It's a way of doing journalism that still serves its practitioners' career interests, but less and less often their readers or viewers because it's a game the powerful and well-connected have learned to play to their own advantage.
Whatever its self-righteous pretensions, it's a style of journalism whose signature sound is less the blowing of whistles than it is the spinning of tops.
That's why the Washington press corps, whose ranks include so many alleged commentators that you can't spit without hitting one, steadfastly refuses to put the Plame affair and its participants in the context that explains the event. That context is the Bush administration's unprecedented — and largely successful — effort to bend Washington-based news coverage to its ends. The Washington press corps doesn't want to talk about this because it basically puts some of its most admired members in a line of venal patsies. Link here
Karin |
11.20.05 - 9:40 am | #
lying works!
propaganda works!
propaganda works extremely well...
ask anyone with one of those Calvin-Pissing decals in the back window of their pick-ups...
anybody who believes there's any significant differences between Dogdg, Ford, or Chevy trucks is a walking advertisement for the effectiveness of propaganda...
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:41 am | #
First I have to get a live tree.
Now I have to, you know, be a good person.
It's a drag being a liberal.
res ipsa loquitur
Right.
Embrace your anger. When people deny a part of themselves it tends to erupt in other areas of their lives.
Liberals are allowed to kick ass. That is kind of what liberal means. More freedom less big brother and nanny state.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:41 am | #
for my cousin's wedding she gave the option of giving a gift and/or a cow
Sadly the site you mention does not include the following Mormon sacred text:
A Guide to Self-Control:
1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes.
2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.
3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.
4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present.
5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.
6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.
7. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act."
The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.
8. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethern [sic, Cistern too?]. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.
9. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep [it] in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER -- NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT _OUT_ of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an affect on how e
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11.20.05 - 9:42 am | #
The only tree you'll ever need for your winter holdiays is here
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11.20.05 - 9:42 am | #
Here you go, res. This should get you thru.
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11.20.05 - 9:43 am | #
good thoughts going out to res
good thoughts going out to res
good thoughts going out to res
You've suffered enough. trees everywhere are sending good thoughts going out to res
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:43 am | #
WGG
You mean Ford ISN'T the best in Texas?
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11.20.05 - 9:43 am | #
Sadly the site you mention does not include the following Mormon sacred text:
A Guide to Self-Control:
1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes.
I would never make it as a Mormon.
In fact, I'm touching myself right now.
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11.20.05 - 9:44 am | #
Aren't many of those just scams though? Like that one Christian fund that didn't even bother to build a building in they country they claimed their children are.
They do seem to capitalize on distance
fester, you can get their audit etc on the website.
you can also google charity watch.
jello |
11.20.05 - 9:44 am | #
Hmmm... So now ABC has moved Wee George right up against Tweety.
What to watch? What to watch?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:44 am | #
According to CNN the chimp is "toning down the rhetoric" against Murtha. Is he feeling the heat or is this just good cop/bad cop?
Bush personally? They must mean Rove, since Chimpy is too busy trying not to fall off a bike in China.
pseudonymous in nc
The chimp was shown making a statement in China about how good a man Murtha is. He apparently brought it up himself.
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11.20.05 - 9:44 am | #
So you would allow your twelve year old daughter to sleep with a seventy year old man to "test" his celibacy?
Given that you posed the question last night on your way out, I didn't respond to it. So I fail to see how my ass is red and my defense "idiotic".
But now that you've posed a strawman, I will respond. I would not want a 70yo man sleeping with my 12yo daughter for any reason.
Any more stupid questions, dick?
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11.20.05 - 9:45 am | #
Ruth ...
Don't worry. I know you weren't trying to guilt me out.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:45 am | #
Target.com is selling an upside down pre lighted tree on their website, with the selling points you can fit in more gifts around the point of it which will be on the floor and more of your favorite ornaments at eye level since the tree upside down.
Fast forward me to January please.
cgreen |
11.20.05 - 9:45 am | #
WGG - methinks you're right about puns.
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11.20.05 - 9:45 am | #
6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK'
Baal - this may be an indication that fat Mormons are greatly to be pitied.
Ruth |
11.20.05 - 9:46 am | #
Does anyone have a link to the new Frank Rich?
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:46 am | #
According to CNN the chimp is "toning down the rhetoric" against Murtha. Is he feeling the heat or is this just good cop/bad cop?
Of course, he's playing "good cop". They quickly found out in their polling what a horrible idea it is for a President to literally get down in the mud as Bush did last week.
That hardly means that Bush isn't encouraging others to slander -- there is undoubtedly a ton more mud to come.
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11.20.05 - 9:46 am | #
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fester |
11.20.05 - 9:46 am | #
Target.com is selling an upside down pre lighted Michelle Malkin doll on their website, with the selling points you can fit more shit around it.
spinoza |
11.20.05 - 9:47 am | #
How enlightened you are.
fester
I won't pour any more gasoline on this greasy fire, but does someone want to tell me wtf this unit is on about?
Just when I'm thinking how safe i feel after the glorious FEMA response on the gulf coast: Discussion about bird flu on timmeh -- state and local authorities to establish priorities about who gets shots, when we can finally make them.
(And wasn't i JUST SAYING how much i LOVE JEBBIE and SEN. MARTINEZ and let's not forget the LOVELY AND TALENTED KATHERINE HARRIS?)
Virginia |
11.20.05 - 9:47 am | #
you can also google charity watch.
jello
Thank you. I didn't know about that.
I do have a question.
I understand supporting children. They should be the first priority.
But what happens when they grow up? Many of these nations have horrid poverty and what I see as no future.
What is the follow through plan?
Take Mexico. I think the median age is fifteen. What happens to these kids when they hit eighteen or twenty five? No real jobs and the ones that are there seem to be dangerous ( no real worker or environmental protections)or slave labor.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:47 am | #
is it christmas talk already? i can spot the crazies in my neighborhood by seeing who already have their christmas lights up. 3 so far.
jello |
11.20.05 - 9:48 am | #
What to watch? What to watch?
Quickly scanning that, I first read it as "Watch watch?" which reminded me of Casablanca:
Man: "Liebchen...ah, sweetness? What watch?"
Woman: "Ten watch."
Man: "Such much?"
Bartender: "You will both do very well in America..."
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11.20.05 - 9:48 am | #
Karin, thanks for that LA times link.
monica_nyc |
11.20.05 - 9:48 am | #
as for talk of christmas trees...my property border has a number of large pine trees...now since I don't chem-ify my lawn, it becomes an incubator for all types of life - including pine trees...I have already found and transplanted a few and one of them is almost small xmas tree size...even holly has propogated by itself - never mind the oak and hickory 'weeds'!
plant trees - don't chem your yard - you will be rewarded...
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fester |
11.20.05 - 9:49 am | #
Target.com is selling an upside down pre lighted tree...
Kill. Me. Now.
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:49 am | #
The Lerxst's religion rules:
1. If it feels good, wank it.
2. If it feels good, finger it.
3. Do unto others if they'll do the same for you.
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11.20.05 - 9:50 am | #
So, Murtha says in reaction to Pumpkinhead's question, "Did the administration mislead us into war?"
Paraphrasing, No, I think they exaggerated certain intelligence but no administration would deliberately mislead us into war . . . .
Ouch. The Democratic Man of the Hour doesn't think Bush lied us into war. Have we got a message problem or what? Will Rogers would be proud of ya...
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BEIJING (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush on Sunday all but apologized to a hawkish Democrat who the White House had called a liberal like American moviemaker Michael Moore for demanding an immediate U.S. pullout from Iraq.
Bush, dogged by questions about Iraq during a week-long Asia tour, tried to cool partisan tempers in Washington that flared over the withdrawal demand by Pennsylvania Democratic Rep. John Murtha. One Republican had called Murtha a coward.
"Congressman Murtha is a fine man, a good man who served our country with honor and distinction as a Marine in Vietnam and as a U.S. congressman," Bush said.
He did not repeat the White House accusation that Murtha was from the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party like Moore, the "Fahrenheit 9/11" filmmaker who is a liberal celebrity loathed by American conservatives.
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11.20.05 - 9:50 am | #
casablanca was considered a "B" flick when it first came out. can you imagine?
jello |
11.20.05 - 9:50 am | #
Ba'al:
i've had both dodge and ford and cant tell a nickel's worth of difference between 'em...
there's objective differences between a pick-up truck and a peach tree; there's no objective difference between two pickup trucks of different manufacture...
that assertion (in any classroom in Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico or Louisiana, to my certain knowledge) can stimulate one of the very best displays of the effectiveness of propaganda that one would ever desire to witness...
because advertizing, for all its pretenses, is nothing but (an often unacknowledged kind of) propaganda...
i know you know this, but it bears frequent repetition...
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How enlightened you are.
fester
I won't pour any more gasoline on this greasy fire, but does someone want to tell me wtf this unit is on about?
Virginia
Part of a discussion about Ghandi.
Tucker attempted to use tried and true Republican tactics of asociation things so they are brought to an extreme absurdity ( Ever watch Tucker Carlson do that).
So I asked him if he found it odd ghandi wanted to sleep with young Girls to "test" his celibacy.
If it were Pat Robertson doing that he would be the first crying for a lynching of the pediphile bastard.
basically exposing his, Tuckers, hypocrisy.
Now he is in a bit of snit.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:51 am | #
plant trees - don't chem your yard - you will be rewarded...
Indeed. We've got trees all over the place. I mow a bit of our property when I feel like it, but most of our 2 acres is meadow or woods. And no chemicals, which is why it's not the most attractive lawn in the world. The dog and cat don't seem to care.
That said, we still go for traditional Xmas trees. Irrational, but it's part of the experience for us.
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6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK'
Because, really, what could possibly go wrong with a program of sublimating "problems" by stuffing yourself with food?
Virginia |
11.20.05 - 9:52 am | #
Thousands of Venezuelans have joined a march against the economic policies of US President George Bush and his Mexican counterpart, Vicente Fox.
President Hugo Chavez led the protest against the US' proposals to create a Free Trade Area of the Americas.
Last week Mr Chavez accused Mr Fox of being a lapdog of the US for going along with Washington's plan.
Venezuela and Mexico withdrew their ambassadors from each other's capitals as a result of the bitter row.
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11.20.05 - 9:52 am | #
Frank Rich - 1
IF anyone needs further proof that we are racing for the exits in Iraq, just follow the bouncing ball that is Rick Santorum. A Republican leader in the Senate and a true-blue (or red) Iraq hawk, he has long slobbered over President Bush, much as Ed McMahon did over Johnny Carson. But when Mr. Bush went to Mr. Santorum's home state of Pennsylvania to give his Veterans Day speech smearing the war's critics as unpatriotic, the senator was M.I.A.
Mr. Santorum preferred to honor a previous engagement more than 100 miles away. There he told reporters for the first time that ''maybe some blame'' for the war's ''less than optimal'' progress belonged to the White House. This change of heart had nothing to do with looming revelations of how the new Iraqi ''democracy'' had instituted Saddam-style torture chambers. Or with the spiraling investigations into the whereabouts of nearly $9 billion in unaccounted-for taxpayers' money from the American occupation authority. Or with the latest spike in casualties. Mr. Santorum was instead contemplating his own incipient political obituary written the day before: a poll showing him 16 points down in his re-election race. No sooner did he stiff Mr. Bush in Pennsylvania than he did so again in Washington, voting with a 79-to-19 majority on a Senate resolution begging for an Iraq exit strategy. He was joined by all but one (Jon Kyl) of the 13 other Republican senators running for re-election next year. They desperately want to be able to tell their constituents that they were against the war after they were for it.
They know the voters have decided the war is over, no matter what symbolic resolutions are passed or defeated in Congress nor how many Republicans try to Swift-boat Representative John Murtha, the marine hero who wants the troops out. A USA Today/CNN/Gallup survey last week found that the percentage (52) of Americans who want to get out of Iraq fast, in 12 months or less, is even larger than the percentage (4 that favored a quick withdrawal from Vietnam when that war's casualty toll neared 54,000 in the apocalyptic year of 1970. The Ohio State political scientist John Mueller, writing in Foreign Affairs, found that ''if history is any indication, there is little the Bush administration can do to reverse this decline.'' He observed that Mr. Bush was trying to channel L. B. J. by making ''countless speeches explaining what the effort in Iraq is about, urging patience and asserting that progress is being made. But as was also evident during Woodrow Wilson's campaign to sell the League of Nations to the American public, the efficacy of the bully pulpit is much overrated.''
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11.20.05 - 9:52 am | #
casablanca was considered a "B" flick when it first came out. can you imagine?
jello
And they laughed at Star Trek. Fools.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:52 am | #
Ba'al, I was taught when I was a child that Christians do not sleep with their hands under the covers . . . .
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11.20.05 - 9:53 am | #
Frank Rich 2
On the same day the Senate passed the resolution rebuking Mr. Bush on the war, Martha Raddatz of ABC News reported that ''only about 700 Iraqi troops'' could operate independently of the U.S. military, 27,000 more could take a lead role in combat ''only with strong support'' from our forces and the rest of the 200,000-odd trainees suffered from a variety of problems, from equipment shortages to an inability ''to wake up when told'' or follow orders.
But while the war is lost both as a political matter at home and a practical matter in Iraq, the exit strategy being haggled over in Washington will hardly mark the end of our woes. Few Americans will cry over the collapse of the administration's vainglorious mission to make Iraq a model of neocon nation-building. But, as some may dimly recall, there is another war going on as well -- against Osama bin Laden and company.
One hideous consequence of the White House's Big Lie -- fusing the war of choice in Iraq with the war of necessity that began on 9/11 -- is that the public, having rejected one, automatically rejects the other. That's already happening. The percentage of Americans who now regard fighting terrorism as a top national priority is either in the single or low double digits in every poll. Thus the tragic bottom line of the Bush catastrophe: the administration has at once increased the ranks of jihadists by turning Iraq into a new training ground and recruitment magnet while at the same time exhausting America's will and resources to confront that expanded threat.
We have arrived at ''the worst of all possible worlds,'' in the words of Daniel Benjamin, Richard Clarke's former counterterrorism colleague, with whom I talked last week. No one speaks more eloquently to this point than Mr. Benjamin and Steven Simon, his fellow National Security Council alum. They saw the Qaeda threat coming before most others did in the 1990's, and their riveting new book, ''The Next Attack,'' is the best argued and most thoroughly reported account of why, in their opening words, ''we are losing'' the war against the bin Laden progeny now.
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11.20.05 - 9:53 am | #
Maybe Haloscan will like this rendering of Ba'al's name better.
I hope the aroma is pleasing. בָּעַל
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11.20.05 - 9:53 am | #
So Chimpee said in China today that "Iraq is a battlefront in the War on Terror." What happened to the central front?
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11.20.05 - 9:53 am | #
Frank Rich 3-
''The Next Attack'' is prescient to a scary degree. ''If bin Laden is the Robin Hood of jihad,'' the authors write, then Abu Musab al-Zarqawi ''has been its Horatio Alger, and Iraq his field of dreams.'' The proof arrived spectacularly this month with the Zarqawi-engineered suicide bombings of three hotels in Amman. That attack, Mr. Benjamin wrote in Slate, ''could soon be remembered as the day that the spillover of violence from Iraq became a major affliction for the Middle East.'' But not remembered in America. Thanks to the confusion sown by the Bush administration, the implications for us in this attack, like those in London and Madrid, are quickly forgotten, if they were noticed in the first place. What happened in Amman is just another numbing bit of bad news that we mentally delete along with all the other disasters we now label ''Iraq.''
Only since his speech about ''Islamo-fascism'' in early October has Mr. Bush started trying to make distinctions between the ''evildoers'' of Saddam's regime and the Islamic radicals who did and do directly threaten us. But even if anyone was still listening to this president, it would be too little and too late. The only hope for getting Americans to focus on the war we can't escape is to clear the decks by telling the truth about the war of choice in Iraq: that it is making us less safe, not more, and that we have to learn from its mistakes and calculate the damage it has caused as we reboot and move on.
Mr. Bush is incapable of such candor. In the speech Mr. Santorum skipped on Veterans Day, the president lashed out at his critics for trying ''to rewrite the history'' of how the war began. Then he rewrote the history of the war, both then and now. He boasted of America's ''broad and coordinated homeland defense'' even as the members of the bipartisan 9/11 commission were preparing to chastise the administration's inadequate efforts to prevent actual nuclear W.M.D.'s, as opposed to Saddam's fictional ones, from finding their way to terrorists. Mr. Bush preened about how ''we're standing with dissidents and exiles against oppressive regimes'' even as we were hearing new reports of how we outsource detainees to such regimes to be tortured.
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11.20.05 - 9:53 am | #
Frank Rich - 4
And once again he bragged about the growing readiness of Iraqi troops, citing ''nearly 90 Iraqi army battalions fighting the terrorists alongside our forces.'' But as James Fallows confirms in his exhaustive report on ''Why Iraq Has No Army'' in the current issue of The Atlantic Monthly, America would have to commit to remaining in Iraq for many years to ''bring an Iraqi army to maturity.'' If we're not going to do that, Mr. Fallows concludes, America's only alternative is to ''face the stark fact that it has no orderly way out of Iraq, and prepare accordingly.''
THAT'S the alternative that has already been chosen, brought on not just by the public's irreversible rejection of the war, but also by the depleted state of our own broken military forces; they are falling short of recruitment goals across the board by as much as two-thirds, the Government Accountability Office reported last week. We must prepare accordingly for what's to come. To do so we need leaders, whatever the political party, who can look beyond our nonorderly withdrawal from Iraq next year to the mess that will remain once we're on our way out. Whether it's countering the havoc inflicted on American interests internationally by Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo or overhauling and redeploying our military, intelligence and homeland security operations to confront the enemy we actually face, there's an enormous job to be done.
The arguments about how we got into Mr. Bush's war and exactly how we'll get out are also important. But the damage from this fiasco will be even greater if those debates obscure the urgency of the other war we are losing, one that will be with us long after we've left the quagmire in Iraq.
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11.20.05 - 9:54 am | #
Does anyone have a link to the new Frank Rich?
res ipsa loquitur
It'll be up at Truthout.org, eventually, if it isn't there yet.
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11.20.05 - 9:54 am | #
A USA Today/CNN/Gallup survey last week found that the percentage (52) of Americans who want to get out of Iraq fast, in 12 months or less, is even larger than the percentage (4 that favored a quick withdrawal from Vietnam when that war's casualty toll neared 54,000 in the apocalyptic year of 1970.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Man does the US look weak for this.
What was the last good win Grenada?
On the positive side there is a shitload of movie fodder now.
Couldn't really do jack with Grenada.
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11.20.05 - 9:54 am | #
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani has said he was willing to talk to violent opponents of his government if they wanted to contact him.
"If those who call themselves the Iraqi resistance desired to contact me, I would welcome them. I would not refuse to meet any Iraqi who wants to meet me. But of course that does not mean I will accept what he says," he told a news conference on Sunday.
Talabani was in Egypt for a reconciliation meeting of Iraqi politicians, organised by the Cairo-based Arab League to prepare for a bigger conference in Baghdad after elections in December.
Moonbootica, Honourable Friend |
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11.20.05 - 9:54 am | #
I forgot to add that Afghanistan looks real bad as well.
fester |
11.20.05 - 9:55 am | #
jdw, those are a bunch of fabulous felines. I think Orange girls are pretty rare, aren't they? Gorgeous.
Sweet Sue |
11.20.05 - 9:55 am | #
Part of a discussion about Ghandi.
Tucker attempted to use tried and true Republican tactics of asociation things so they are brought to an extreme absurdity ( Ever watch Tucker Carlson do that).
So I asked him if he found it odd ghandi wanted to sleep with young Girls to "test" his celibacy.
If it were Pat Robertson doing that he would be the first crying for a lynching of the pediphile bastard.
basically exposing his, Tuckers, hypocrisy.
Now he is in a bit of snit.
Your original assertion was that Gandhi basically wasn't a saint, then started digging up quotes from 1905 as proof. I agreed he wrote that shit and observed that he evolved in the intervening years. I also noted MLK was a womanizer, which doesn't invalidate his achievements.
You then brought up the 12yo girl thing as you were leaving, and I didn't respond.
Somehow to you that makes me a Republican, a hypocrite, and the owner of a red ass. Very interesting, uncle fucker.
My position: Gandhi showed another path, an alternative to violence. He was successful. He was human, not a saint. Much of his success was due in large part to the myth surrounding him. The Cult of Personality was what enabled him to influence India with the mere threat of a fast.
Your turn, dickwad.
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11.20.05 - 9:55 am | #
yup - same with us - the tree farm trees were planted to be cut down - plus almost always they are small farms, etc. so we aren't supporting 'Target', etc
mogwai |
11.20.05 - 9:56 am | #
You're welcome, monica.
And thanks, GWPDA for the Frank Rich
Karin |
11.20.05 - 9:57 am | #
Thanks, GWPDA!
res ipsa loquitur |
11.20.05 - 9:57 am | #
my mother always buys traditional xmas trees as well.
every year she tries and plants them after christmas but they never seem to flourish.
my parents are off to Berlin next month to explore the christmas markets there as part of their weekend break.
Moonbootica, Honourable Friend |
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11.20.05 - 9:58 am | #
Gandhi's dead.
Pat Robertson's still molesting little children.
big difference....
i don't get your beef w/Gandhi at ALL?
and fuck HAL-O-SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did he inadvertently step on you the LAST time you were a cockroach?
jeezis, shitheel, get a fuckin life...
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 9:58 am | #
fester | 11.20.05 - 9:47 am | #
omgosh. such a big question. having this regime in power certainly hasn't helped things abroad. and i don't know that getting a new president will do much to change things either, seeing how government has been largely hijacked by multinationals. till we get corporate money out of politics, there wont be a lot of reform. i don't see that happening any time soon.
jello |
11.20.05 - 9:59 am | #
We've been giving as a family to Heifer International the past few years. Each family group gives in another family group's name, then we buy or make one another little stocking-stuffer type personal gifts.
cs |
11.20.05 - 9:59 am | #
Charity watch gave A plus rating to the organization sponsoring children or elderly
cfcausa.org
It's a little difficult to converse on topic with someone baiting NTodd about a 12 yr old daughter, however. I tend to doubt your seriousness but I'll reply anyway on what happens to children after they are sponsored.
Thinking charities are fake, poverty is hopeless may be an excuse to avoid helping anyone at all.
The speaker I heard who was a recipient while he was growing up got shoes, got an education, is now helping others.
The amt per month ($20) is small to us Americans. I am currently DOUBLING this boy's family income of $20/mo. His mother is a day laborer, father deceased.
There's many good charities out there. This is just one.
cgreen |
11.20.05 - 9:59 am | #
Part of a discussion about G--
Dear Lord, is this stupid motherfucker still here?
Why do I smell Ted?
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11.20.05 - 10:00 am | #
If it were Pat Robertson doing that he would be the first crying for a lynching of the pediphile bastard.
...anybody who would be doing that TODAY would be lynched...but speaking in a historical context, it is different - look at JFK's womanizing...look at the mob connection with JFK/RFK's deaths - anyone care about that?
you can argue any point - to argue that gandhi was lame because of one piece of his personality is just as lame...what does history tell us about gandhi - that he liked little girls?
mogwai |
11.20.05 - 10:00 am | #
my parents are off to Berlin next month to explore the christmas markets there as part of their weekend break.
Moonbootica, Honourable Friend | - 9:58 am
a two-hour flight, mas o menos?
last time i was in ol blightey, i took the chunnel train to Brussels, which was the coolest train trip EVAH!
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 10:00 am | #
So Rummy is going to set things straight for us on ABC's This Week. I can hardly wait.
mike in pr |
11.20.05 - 10:01 am | #
Swine flu, bird flu, mad cow disease, can I get fries with that?
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11.20.05 - 10:01 am | #
Your turn, dickwad.
Christ on a crutch, can we just cut this troll off and leave it at that?
Unless he's got tips on how to make a sumptuous dinner for four dollars (and for some reason, I bet he does)...
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11.20.05 - 10:01 am | #
i don't know that getting a new president will do much to change things either
US foreign policy hasn't really changed much to speak of in the past century or so. It's still pretty much "Kill the little brown people and take their shit". Even a Kucinich presidency wouldn't change that.
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11.20.05 - 10:01 am | #
GWPDA -- thanks for posting the Rich column.
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11.20.05 - 10:02 am | #
When i am back home during the various breaks I volunteer at my local Oxfam shop.
Two things have distinguished this Bush administration's efforts at press manipulation from those that have gone before.
One is their sweep and consistency. There has been bribery — as in the egregious case of the wretched Williams. There has been deception — as in the planting of phony news videos. There have been alleged violations of federal laws and regulations — as in Tomlinson's and Rove's efforts to subvert public television. There has been stealth — as in the whispering campaign to discredit Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.
And, of course, there has been good old-fashioned bullying, as in the president's and vice-president's assertions that raising questions about their push to war or the torture of U.S. captives is somehow "reprehensible" and unpatriotic. It's a melancholy comment on the state of the American press that it takes a former director of Central Intelligence, Adm. Stansfield Turner, to identify Dick Cheney for what he has become — "vice president for torture" — and that he had to do it in a foreign forum, on Britain's ITV news, as he did Thursday.
The other reason all this has more or less succeeded and gone all but unremarked upon is that the administration has adroitly availed itself of the cultural complicity that prevails in a fin de siècle Washington press corps living out the decadence of an increasingly discredited reporting style. As the Valerie Plame scandal and its spreading taint have made all too clear, the trade in confidentiality and access that has made stars of reporters like Bob Woodward and Judy Miller now is utterly bankrupt.
It still may call itself investigative journalism — and so it once was — but now it's really just a glittering and carefully choreographed waltz in which all the dancers share the unspoken agreement that the one unpardonable faux pas is to ask who's calling the tune.
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11.20.05 - 10:05 am | #
Thanks, GWPDA.
And Mr. Rich nails it again.
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11.20.05 - 10:06 am | #
if anyone is looking for a professional athlete to root for...
Basketball is not all that I am, it is something I like to do. A lot of times people don't understand why I always make this point. Don't get me wrong: Everything about playing in the NBA is a blessing. I'm living the dream of every little boy who has ever picked up a basketball. So I'm thankful. But in our society, athletes are put into a box that limits our potential to delve into any other arena. Now, we can either allow ourselves to remain in this box, or we can resist these attempts. That's why my book of poems is titled "More Than an Athlete" -- because there's much more to me than what I do on the court.
...snip
What's inside of me is passion for so many things outside of the realm of basketball. I recently had the honor of speaking at an antiwar rally right on the Mall, in the shadows of the Washington Monument. I spoke about my opposition to the war, the Bush administration's seeming lack of concern regarding people on the other side of the tracks, health care, the education system, police brutality, unemployment, the justice system and other problems in our society to which the right is apparently oblivious. Since then, I have often been asked if I was afraid of repercussions for speaking out. But there is simply too much going on for me to keep silent. I have a voice, and I have to use it. In the same way Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, Tommie Smith and John Carlos used their positions as platforms, I feel obligated to speak out. All of my life, my mother has told me, "To whom much is given, much is expected."
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11.20.05 - 10:06 am | #
Thinking charities are fake, poverty is hopeless may be an excuse to avoid helping anyone at all. cgreen
ah, so that's what he's to? good insight.
jello |
11.20.05 - 10:06 am | #
Kurfürstendamm – the heart of the city beats to the rhythm of a metropolis. Unusual people, stunning sights, memorable moments – this is the place meet people, let yourself be surprised and enjoy life.
Despite your full appointment calendar, you will feel the special flair of this capital city. Getting around town is easy and convenient. Enjoy the city life at any time of day in the numerous bars, beer gardens, restaurants, and discos.
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11.20.05 - 10:07 am | #
Jerry Falwell is a fat, lying, opportunist asshole (did I forget anything? Probably...)
By the By, any links to Frank Rich this morning. I need that fix!
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11.20.05 - 10:07 am | #
Unless he's got tips on how to make a sumptuous dinner for four dollars (and for some reason, I bet he does)...
I am feeling a bit peckish. I should make some breaky so I can attack that mountain of work I blew off yesterday. Sigh...
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11.20.05 - 10:08 am | #
Swine flu, bird flu, mad cow disease, can I get fries with that?
You already did.
Fleur de merde |
11.20.05 - 10:09 am | #
Just a note. Older men taking pre-teen girls for wives is nothing new. Back in the fifties a twelve year old could get married in many states, if she had her parents permission. I imagine in countries where the life expectancy is low, marrying at that age is ordinary.
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11.20.05 - 10:10 am | #
nim
hmm... that was actually my match.com experience.
Am happily married now to someone I met at my pingpong club. (This is actually true).
Ba'al
Never, ever underestimate the importance of ball-handling skill.
M31 |
11.20.05 - 10:13 am | #
mydd had a poll a while ago. who would you vote for biden or hagel? hagel won. tells you a little about how badly biden rubs people the wrong way. then they posted hagel's voting record. prettying frightening.
jello |
11.20.05 - 10:13 am | #
Murtha on Timmeh, kicking crap out of Timn's GOP talking points.
"Iraqi's will let us do the fighting as long as we're there."
How bad it's gotten in the field, solidiers afraid to say anything but we'll be ciriticized by our superiors."
Bush: done, ruined and fucked.
Arabella |
11.20.05 - 10:16 am | #
Murtha just said, about Schmidt, well she's a new member and sometimes they give her something to read....(suggesting that it was planned)
portia |
11.20.05 - 10:17 am | #
Murtha says Cheney's a friend but "HE IS WRONG. THEY SHOULD HAVE FIRED PEOPLE"
nothing happening showing any sign of success.
we need to put us troops at the periphery.
this not awar of words, this is a real war people are getting killed. wounded, 15,000 no arms, makes me cry, paralyzed from the neck down. we
Since there's no solution, we have to find a way to get out of there."
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Daver9 |
11.20.05 - 10:17 am | #
Murtha for President!
Daver9 |
11.20.05 - 10:18 am | #
woody, preview is your friend.
jello |
11.20.05 - 10:19 am | #
look at the mob connection with JFK/RFK's deaths - anyone care about that?
the convergence of alot of things (agonizing criminal events) seems to have a common interface. (Mob,Money,Murder) The Bush family
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 10:23 am | #
Older men taking pre-teen girls for wives is nothing new. Back in the fifties a twelve year old could get married in many states, if she had her parents permission. I imagine in countries where the life expectancy is low, marrying at that age is ordinary.
Indeed. And that's what pissed me off about the strawman and the putting words in my mouth. I wouldn't have that little brown man in a loin cloth sleeping with 12yo daughter, but I live in a different culture and different age. I'm more interested in the practical lessons we can apply, rather than his biography (which I also have studied, of course).
I do find Gandhi's evolution fascinating, however. He went from a Brahmin and proper English citizen and attorney to a humble old man who rallied a nation to defeat an empire.
Speaking of the celibacy thing, there's a scene in Attenborough's movie that is based loosely on an incident Gandhi recounts in a chapter of his autobig called A SACRED RECOLLECTION AND PENANCE. It takes place in South Africa when Gandhi was going to angrily throw his wife out for refusing to clean chamberpots (that's the job of a Panchama, or Untouchable). A snippet:
I put on a brave face, but was really ashamed and shut the gate. If my wife could not leave me, neither could I leave her. We have had numerous bickerings, but the end has always been peace between us. The wife, with her matchless powers of endurance, has always been the victor.
Today I am in a position to narrate the incident with some detachment, as it belongs to a period out of which I have fortunately emerged. I am no longer a blind, infatuated husband, I am no more my wife's teacher. Kasturba can, if she will, be as unpleasant to me today, as I used to be to her before. We are tried friends, the one no longer regarding the other as the object of just. She has been a faithful nurse throughout my illnesses, serving without any thought of reward.
The incident in question occurred in 1898, when I had no conception of brahmacharya. It was a time when I thought that the wife was the object of her husband's lust, born to do her husband's behest, rather than a helpmate, a comrade and a partner in the husband's joys and sorrows.
It was in the year 1900 that these ideas underwent a radical transformation, and in 1906 they took concrete shape. But of this I propose to speak in its proper place. Suffice it to say that with the gradual disappearance in me of the carnal appetite, my domestic life became and is becoming more and more peaceful, sweet and happy.
Let no one conclude from this narrative of a sacred recollection that we are by any means an ideal couple, or that there is a complete identity of ideals between us. Kasturba herself does not perhaps know whether she has any ideals independently of me. It is likely that many of my doings have not her approval even today.
SA was a crucible for him in many ways.
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11.20.05 - 10:25 am | #
Murthra
"It's the people thursting for a solution. they don't want a war of words, this is a real war, people are being hurt."
timmeh's clips show Nancy, Reed and Kerry disagreeing on immediate withdrawal. Goofs...way behind the voting public.
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11.20.05 - 10:25 am | #
Rich The Ohio State political scientist John Mueller, writing in Foreign Affairs, found that ''if history is any indication, there is little the Bush administration can do to reverse this decline.''
except to encourage and facilitate another 'terror' attack...
hang on loosely, folx: it's a'comin'
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 10:29 am | #
US foreign policy hasn't really changed much to speak of in the past century or so. It's still pretty much "Kill the little brown people and take their shit". Even a Kucinich presidency wouldn't change that.
BlakNo1 - 10:01 am
starting with 'red skinned people', the record's close to a couple hundred years, i reckon...
1846 marks the first real extra-territorial anti-brown people oppression movement...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka... |
11.20.05 - 10:35 am | #
that or like I'd expected before.... they will "plant" some weapons somewhere in the proximity of Iraq as though to appear to have been right all along
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 10:36 am | #
there's objective differences between a pick-up truck and a peach tree; there's no objective difference between two pickup trucks of different manufacture...
Mitsubishi Mighty Max vs Ford Ranger. Ask anyone who has owned both.
Ranger=truck
Shitsibumi=planter
Ranger; all cast iron motor, reasonably well made.
Shitsi; aluminum head, incompetently designed, badly manufactured piece of shit. (nice looking, though)
Ask experienced mechanics; Mitsubishis are "disposable". Were, anyway; they don't sell the Mighty Max/Ram 50 max here any more. Couldn't give 'em away with the reputation they had.
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11.20.05 - 10:38 am | #
look at the mob connection with JFK/RFK's deaths - anyone care about that?
lower tiberius
thom hartmann is writting a book about the mob and jfk.
jello |
11.20.05 - 10:51 am | #
"Am happily married now to someone I met at my pingpong club. (This is actually true).
Ba'al"
How does she feel about all the burnt offerings?
Nim, ham hock of liberty
She is from Sichuan province in China. Her chemosensory systems are shot.
Ba'al
That is good because the smell of burnt celluloid is truly horrible
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11.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
reminds me of the heaven's gate episode on a mass self-prophesizing level. The world's societies and their economies and resources commandeered for the Carlyle Group to off planet with the promise of fetching the "true believers" into the vapor trail. kool-aid and tennis shoes ... whoopie what are we fightin' for ... dont ask ... la la la tee doh
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
thom hartmann is writting a book about the mob and jfk.
jello
I hope he adds a heapin' helpin' of information on the harriman syndicate (New York based ... alledged international crime cartel, and opium smugglers), the CIA involvement, and "Poppy" Bush's {up to his nose holes), involvement in both.
lower tiberius |
11.20.05 - 11:02 am | #
Goin' "home" to Louisiana...and hoping to answer some questions...
Blitzer: So you see a light at the end of the tunnel?
Rumsfeld: I don't use that phrase.
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11.20.05 - 11:37 am | #
Why didn't the democrat not vote on that bogus Iraq withdraw resolution? When the vote was happening, they should have walk out in mass, in support of Rep. Murtha?
Man, I wish I could love the Democrats as much as I hate the Republicans!
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?I like guys who got five deferments and (have) neverbeen there and send people to war, and then don?t like to hear suggestionsabout what needs to be done.??Rep. John Murtha on Dick Cheney, Nov. 17, 2005
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