I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
But the President is an idiot, so even if you tell him it won't work.
Even colorforms and crayons won't work.
fitz!
The thing is, I don't think the president understands this. I don't think anybody's told him.
Pssst, Atrios.
The president isn't listening.
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Frist? Could it be?
That said, the measure of Bush's internicine rout will be the stampede of Republispins to get behind withdrawal. And once that happens, I don't see how there will be anything left of his Presidency. Johnson's lame-duckishness will look decisive and authoritative by comparison.
I'm so sick of this war, as I suspect most Americans are.
Saner heads (aka Senators and Congressmen up in aught six) may have prevailed for the moment. Looks as if Georgie's going to declare victory and bring a few troops home. Don't expect consistency from the flip flopper in chief.
Until the "meme" that "We've always intended to pull out by 8/06" is firmly planted in the public's conscience via the compliant media, I don't think Bush will even truck such discussion.
He is too much the bully to let himself be "bullied" by the people whom he is supposed to serve.
"The fact is that fewer troops just make for more targets."
This is unfortunately more and more true each day, and especially true now that the Iraqi government has said it's okay to shoot them.
I'm so sick of this war, as I suspect most Americans are.
Me too.
Strange that the Joes (Biden and Lieberman) and Hillary the Hawk aren't sick of the war.
They can't seem to get enough of the carnage.
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i for one am sick and tired of the argument that we have to stay because we are already there.
war is depressing. i am going for drinkees.
later, bats.
Don't expect consistency from the flip flopper in chief.
Hecate Malificent
Right. And he is still not "withdrawing troops." It'll bring the number down a little bit, but not to the low original levels of boys he sent over there to be sacrificed.
"I never got many dates in HS or college.
NTodd'
yeah, go figure...
Well, there's another person scratched off my Xmas card list."
just kdding, sorta. hs and college were a time for me to experience partying and ungoldy amounts of incredible casual sex with nubile hotties....but i could see where a game might be more fun because day after day after day of steaming sexual fun might ultimately prove unfulfilling....
We have pased the point when it matters what the President understands.
Quite frankly.
Which, yes, is a much more "moral" than "political" analysis, but I think the tenor of the discussion has shifted that direction.
And I think Bush and Rove are completely unable to speak that language. Which is why they are already irrelevant.
Cut/Run 08.
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I'm still in the "Declare a victory and get the hell out" crowd
Happy Eve of Advent, to you liturgically aware Moonbats!
i think he understands this...the whole argument over the past few weeks has been a charade...they know they gotta get out, but if it(demands to get out) came first from a dem it ain't good for 'em...so, they shout down the murtha's et al and claim to be staying the course when they ain't staying the course...it's all about fucking politics...there ain't no principle there at all...
Bush will treat Iraq as he did the proposal for a homeland department. He'll try to outflank any Democrat.
Question is: Will anyone fall for it?
I didn't date much in high school ~ one on and off boyfriend, and that is it. I saw him on and off until I was 21, he was 24. Met him when I was 14. He married another woman the weekend I graduated from college.
Still he was my "first love."
I still wish him well in my heart, even though I haven't seen him in almost 25 years.
Hi Prior! It seems that the West Michigan contigent is ill. I have heard from neither Jen nor Nim. I hope he doesn't catch her bronchial infection.
I'm just so happen to be in a unique spot here I can see and hear things that go unreported.
As I've said before, follow the money.
With all the tax cus Bush has given and the mounting costs of waging two wars...afgan and iraq...there comes a point where there won't enough coin rolling into the Treasury to pay for the goods and services necessary to sustain the Federal machinery. This means someone has to cut budgets. And those budgets will be those farthest from the repug heart.
I was working on a contract with the EPA and was laid off in 2003...contract funding was cut. I'm sure there have been many other contracts slimmed down since too.
Things are much tighter than one can imagine... just a whisper here, a mutter there, and an odd remark just of-the-cuff.
There's more going on than just combat fatigue and too many tours of duty.
regards
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No matter what the brass tells Rumsfeld (who then doesn't tell Bush) to pull out would mean admitting defeat.
Bush will NOT admit defeat.
It's the same rationale that LBJ used...and Bush is far more gone off the deep end than LBJ ever was.
Vicki --
Hope Nim doesn't get so close to Jen that he shares her afflication, but bronchial infections are treatable (I speak from experience -- walking pneumonia treated by an old fashioned doctor who still used opiates -- WHO - HOO! -- sadly, getting bronchitis once mkaes you more likely to get it again)
I have to go to recreation -- should be back after Compline (Br Cuthbert wants to sample some Kolsch -- I'm always there to assist in these challenging beer taste tests)
The troops in Iraq want out.
They know they're fighting a losing battle and the military fatasses don't want to listen.
That's why Murtha became involved -- he got their message out to Murika cuz Rummy the Dummy won't listen.
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Some AM-radio wingnut (Richard Land?) was crowing about the re-enlistment rate as if that meant the troops were committing themselves to the 'cause'. As opposed to, say, being stop-lossed and hauled out of the IRR without that re-upping bonus.
Moron.
Prior, I think you are naive. 
impossible over the longer run due to resource constraints (lack of soldiers)
Easily solved:
1- Another, bigger, terrist attack.
2- National emergency declared.
3- Bring back conscription.
4- Round up protesters (kill a few to remind them that they can be killed).
5- Light up them celebritory Cuban heaters in the back room an NeoCon HQ.
With congress now calling for a timetable for withdrawl I feel the end of this usse should be shortly coming to a conclusion. I just wonder what ost war Iraq will really be like.
Raymond B
www.voteswagon.com
The thing is, I don't think the president understands this. I don't think anybody's told him.
Condi told him in the throes of passion. Her last throes.
Deep in the White House, the scripts are running:
whitehouse$ egrep -r 1,$s/Cut and Run/Operation Heroes Homeward/p
I read a review of Cindy Sheehan's new book, and I like her solution for how we can honor those servicemen who have died: We can end the war and hold our leaders accountable for their crimes. Then our fallen comrades can rest in peace.
They don't have to. He doesn't ever have to understand.
He will be told when US troops are leaving and will agree because it will be delivered by a 100,000 person protest in the Green Zone.
cory,
No, we've had our second attack, it was called Katrina and Bush failed it miserably.
Draft? For Iraq? Only if the GOP wants to cease to exist.
Stop giving the GOP powers they do not have. They will lose in Iraq, lose their seats and slink off because they can do nothing else.
They don't have to. He doesn't ever have to understand.
He will be told when US troops are leaving and will agree because it will be delivered by a 100,000 person protest in the Green Zone.
This is tangental, but it amazed me that Condi was bragging how the troops that guard the corridor from the airport to the Green Zone are now made up of mostly Iraqi troops, as if this was a huge achievement after TWO YEARS. That's a bragging point? Wow.
I think the 100,000 person protest isn't that far away.
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'But the President is an idiot, so even if you tell him it won't work.'
Bears repeating, Miss Led!
engorged and dick'em ain't going to be ending their homicidal ways any time soon, amigos.
killing and torturing is such a yale thing.
in fact, the murdering is only going to be expanded into syria. the fraudulent report by the german hack prosecutor is the overture.
i wager that us specops/brit sas/ aussie sas/ kiwi sas/ canuck sas are already in syria. in fact, i would wager that these forces are the parties actually responsible for the harriri hit. along with their mossadi associates.
little boots will not be reducing the middle eastern investment of amerikan idiots in
uniform.
and then there are those other little wars of sanitization that they are going to have to wage: venezuela, boliva. to name but the most prominent in this hemisphere.
no amigos, the wars of this version of big brother will be continuing apace. oh, the us agitprop agencies might tell you that a reduction in amerikan military investment is taking place....but never believe those agents.
pay attention to the foreign press. as best you can. pray that they refuse to knuckle to uncle suppression.
sic semper tyrannis.
The thing is, I don't think the president understands this. I don't think anybody's told him.
They can't tell him anything negative.
He'll get mad!
The thing is, I don't think the president understands this. I don't think anybody's told him.
Condi told him in the throes of passion. Her last throes.
NTodd
Right before she took him for his potty break.
So why doesn't he make a big impassioned speech calling for volunteers?
Easily solved:
1- Another, bigger, terrorist attack.
2- National emergency declared.
3- Bring back conscription.
4- Round up protesters (kill a few to remind them that they can be killed).
5- Light up them celebratory Cuban heaters in the back room an NeoCon HQ.
cory
I don't think any of that is going to happen.
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Stop giving the GOP powers they do not have. They will lose in Iraq, lose their seats and slink off because they can do nothing else.
steve_gilliard
I agree wholeheartedly.
And steve gilliard, I think your predictions about the GOP are correct!
albertchampion,
He won't be asked. Keep that in mind. The Iraqis will tell him and the new Congress will agree.
There will not be a withdrawal, as long as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are anywhere near the decision-making process.
Their plan depends on a fairly large American presence in Iraq, for many, many years. They don't care that it's tactically impractical, and they don't care that it's going to destroy our military. That was also part of the point, so Rumsfeld could get to experiment in making a lighter, more manueverable force, supplied with lots of malfunctioning gadgets from the defense industry.
The Bush team has no policy whatsoever; their only concern, period, is politics. They want to remain in power and continue giving themselves tax cuts forever.
The Cheney team, however, does have a policy, and it's clearly described in the PNAC documentation.
I understand Steve's point - that staying in Iraq is by reasonable standard impossible over the longer run due to resource constraints (lack of soldiers). The thing is, I don't think the president understands this. I don't think anybody's told him.
You proceed from a false assumption. The president does not make important policy decisions; that's Cheney/Rove's job. Bush is kept around to make speeches and sign directives.
This is what makes it so despicable to listen to those tough-guy hawks who now want to "cut and run" from Iraq in time for the 2006 elections. The more we hear about Iraq, the more obvious it is that things are not better, and may even be worse, than it was before our invasion. To listen to them try to pretend that we can leave because we "won" is truly sickening.
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