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Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!


GravatarHello.


GravatarThirst!


GravatarMantiFrist!


GravatarManticorth!


GravatarIt sucks!

(Just wanted to get that in early.)


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Gravatar*settles in comfortably*



Mmm, stock footage...


GravatarTOP TEN - FUCK BUSH


GravatarDamn I hate waking up from naps at 9pm.


GravatarI love my mummy.


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GravatarRandolph Manticooth.


GravatarDIE ZWOELFTE??


GravatarThese guys are *supposed* to be Russian, right?


GravatarEvening, folks. What'd I miss while being sliced open like a frog in biology class?


GravatarLies make Baby Jesus cry.


GravatarIs the slumber party coming upstairs, or should I stay down there?


GravatarWhat'd I miss while being sliced open like a frog in biology class?

We shoved firecrackers up frog asses all day.


GravatarAn Iraq War parable?

Save me.


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GravatarOh my. They're using the most wanted cards...


Gravatardamn. not frist again


Gravatar"He may be a joker, but he ain't no face card."


Gravatar Is the slumber party coming upstairs, or should I stay down there?

Um. I'm here, FWIW.


GravatarHas anyone seen Syriana? I went to see it today, but it was sold out


GravatarThat was an inexplicable "whooomph" sounds when they panned over to the soldier babe...


Gravatarwatertiger sez:

Randolph Manticooth.

I just fell in love with you.

(I'll explain some other time.)


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GravatarThey need one of those universal translator thingies from the space lizard movie.


GravatarThe nice man on the news says I should go buy some stuff tomorrow.

And to bite, if necessary.


GravatarHmmm, something going weird with the time continuum.


GravatarI must go make pasta. I may or may not return.


GravatarHas anyone seen Syriana? I went to see it today, but it was sold out

I know HBK saw it and loved it. A couple of my friends saw it as well and really enjoyed . . . if that's the right word . . . it.


GravatarThey need one of those universal translator thingies from the space lizard movie.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:11 pm | #

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nah. they should just use plain old babelfish.


Gravatarapc mre do rei me you and me...


GravatarIs the US Army the scary monster?


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GravatarDamn, I hate when I see a new post that says 0 comments and excitedly wait for Holoscan to load only to see many comments.

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GravatarRobert Beltran! Anyone remember him?


GravatarLies make Baby Jesus cry.

So does Miracle Whip


GravatarNice of Atrios to open up this "MST3K" like-thread.


Ooooooooh, Ashley Pierce "embedded"


I bet she is.


GravatarAh the subtley hidden Judith Miller character.


Gravatar I must go make pasta. I may or may not return.

Pasta Worship. And they say Liberals have no Faith.


Gravatarhas anyone seen "walk the line"?

Is it any good?

thanks/SD (going outside now to take legal drugs)


GravatarPasta Worship. And they say Liberals have no Faith.

I spend lots of time with my pasta-er.


GravatarAll the reviews sure sound promising. I saw Jarhead last week. It was very well done. Especially the scene where the all the marines are watching "Apocalypse Now"


Gravatar has anyone seen "walk the line"?

Someone I know just saw it and absolutely loved it.


GravatarRobert Beltran! Anyone remember him?

Eating Raoul.


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GravatarOoooooooh, Ashley Pierce "embedded"

With "GNN".


Gravatar"Robert Beltran! Anyone remember him?"

yeah ... isn't he the guy that made little lizards with Janeway?


GravatarI finally made the connection - the girl soldier is the girl from Blair Witch.


GravatarOh, man. This is a Three Kings ripoff.


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GravatarIs anyone making their own list for oscar/golden globe nominations?


GravatarHistory Channel tonight had a show called "Modern Marvels: Doomsday Weapons." A narrator kept coming on with speculative Doomsday scenarios, like un 2016 hackers will trick the Pentagon into firing nukes at the Russians. Then in 2022 or so genetically modified food will get out of hand, mutate and destroy farming. Billions perish from famine, overrun by inedible crops. You have been warned


Gravatarone sleeping bag in the washer
one drying
little tent upended against the wall
now not so wet

ee cummings

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Gravatar"Enjoy"--a request or a command?


Gravataryeah ... isn't he the guy that made little lizards with Janeway?

I think he was in Night Of The Comet, with Mary Woronov and, um, Catherine Mary Stewart.

Um, IIRC.


Gravatar has anyone seen "walk the line"?

Is it any good?

Sarah Deere


I went to see Pride & Prejudice instead last night, and that was really enjoyable.

I am compelled to point out that both Keira Knightly and Rosamund Pike are scrum-liddley-umptious.


GravatarLINCOLN PARK PIRATES
Steve Goodman


The streetlamps are on in Chicago tonight,
And lovers a'gazin' at stars;
The stores are all closin', and Daley is dozin',
And the fat man is counting the cars...
And there's more cars than places to put 'em, he says,
But I've got room for them all;
So 'round 'em up boys, 'cause I want some more toys,
In the lot by the grocery store...

To me, way, hey, tow them away,
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we,
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
And we always collect our fee!
So it's way, hey, tow 'em away,
We plunder the streets of your town,
Be it Edsel or Chevy, there's no car too heavy,
And no one can make us shut down.


GravatarBillions perish from famine, overrun by inedible crops. You have been warned

Can you *prove* it didn't happen?


GravatarWhat are you people watching?


Gravatarthe girl soldier is the girl from Blair Witch.

Heather Donahue?

KILL HER!!!


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GravatarRobert Beltran! Anyone remember him?
Eli



"Eating Raoul"


Gravatarallahu akbar bitches!


GravatarI still think these guys sound suspiciously Russian, but maybe I just don't know what a proper Iraqi accent sounds like.


Gravatarntodd, in case you missed my answer below: be sure to bring the chardonay.


GravatarEli,

That one episode of Voyager defined his career however. Course he got a bit hateful towards the enitre Voyager experience later on.

Night of the Comet is a favorite here as well.


Gravatar What are you people watching?
Phila | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:17 pm | #


bogart (of course)


Gravatarspork_incident beat me to it!


Gravatarbogart (of course)
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Which one?


GravatarThat one episode of Voyager defined his career however. Course he got a bit hateful towards the enitre Voyager experience later on.

I didn't watch a whole lot of that show...



Look, Jeff Fahey!


Gravatar Has anyone seen Syriana? I went to see it today, but it was sold out
null pointer exception


Seen it.
Liked it a lot. I wrote on another thread that the guy that plays Dr. Bashir on Deep Space Nine is in it and is very, very good.

Buy tickets online.


GravatarI am watching the wrinkles on my empty, unmade bed.


Gravatar*sigh* ok, i switched to sci-fi. yellow hummers in the sand.


GravatarThen in 2022 or so genetically modified food will get out of hand, mutate and destroy farming. Billions perish from famine, overrun by inedible crops. You have been warned
Draco


Soylvent Green


GravatarTime for a lexus commercial.


Gravatarthe girl soldier is the girl from Blair Witch.

I got 5 minutes into that movie and turned it off.

Feh.


Gravatarbogart (of course)
dirk gently, sociopathetic

Which one?


The one where the Iraqi monster attacks our courageous resolute troops.


Gravataranyone see sarah silverman's new movie? i can't wait til it comes here....


GravatarDon't Bogart this joint.


GravatarThe "gang" leader is a discount buddah.


GravatarHey, if we make fun of Manticore, are we helping the terrorists?


GravatarDamn I hate waking up from naps at 9pm.
Jay C.

One of the 1st times I drank alot I went to bed late but woke at dawn. I had in my head for quite awhile that I had slept all day and it was already getting dark. Very confusing when it kept getting brighter out.

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GravatarHoneyBearKelly:
Where did you buy the tickets online? I tried yahoo, but tickets not available there yet.


Gravatar so genetically modified food will get out of hand, mutate and destroy farming. Billions perish from famine, overrun by inedible crops. You have been warned
Draco


Soylvent Green
Terry C. Feminazi Moonbat


Overrun? Sounds more like Triffids...


Gravatar"Hey, if we make fun of Manticore, are we helping the terrorists?
Eli "

Hey we have to finish what we started, no cut and run now.


Gravatarbogart (of course)
dirk gently, sociopathetic

Which one?


the big sleep. but it's lonely, being the one with sensibilities. so now i've joined the crowd in "manticore"


GravatarThe one where the Iraqi monster attacks our courageous resolute troops.
Eli


Oh, yeah. "Passage to Marseille." Not his finest moment.


GravatarI got 5 minutes into that movie and turned it off.

I'll defend it. But with a lot of qualifications.


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GravatarI got 5 minutes into that movie and turned it off.

Feh.
watertiger


Finally!

Someone else who had the same reaction I did.


GravatarI'll defend it. But with a lot of qualifications.

I liked it, but...

Cellphones? Hel-LO???


GravatarThese people aren't Iraqi like that Iraqi guy on Lost.


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Gravatarthe big sleep. but it's lonely, being the one with sensibilities. so now i've joined the crowd in "manticore"
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Eh, you're not missing much. "Murder My Sweet" was a much better version of Chandler, for my money.


GravatarAw, Manticore is just a dervish.


GravatarI am watching the wrinkles on my empty, unmade bed.
null pointer exception |


Tell us if they move...


Gravatar ntodd, in case you missed my answer below: be sure to bring the chardonay.

Okay. And I'll bring some reds, just because I like reds.

But later. I need a nap. Somebody wake me when people start getting frisky.


GravatarSomeone else who had the same reaction I did.
flory, keeper of the VIP keys


What movie is that?


Gravatar Aw, Manticore is just a dervish.

I'm still gonna give it a whirl.


Gravatar"Okay, who brought the dogs?"


GravatarWhere did you buy the tickets online? I tried yahoo, but tickets not available there yet.
null pointer exception


moviefone.com

I saw it at the Angelicka.
Hate that theatre. The subway goes right underneath it. But the other theatre they're showing it at is too far for me. I think it's the Lowes on 73rd and Broadway.


GravatarEh, you're not missing much. "Murder My Sweet" was a much better version of Chandler, for my money.
Phila | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:23 pm | #


mebbe - but i feel about bogart the way a lot moonbats feel about kubrick. he can do no wrong.


GravatarBut later. I need a nap. Somebody wake me when people start getting frisky.

Would you settle for feisty?


GravatarAw, Manticore is just a dervish.
watertiger


So this is some kind of War on Terra allegory involving bargain-basement Islamic supernaturalism? Or am I all turned around?


GravatarNow we're cookin'.


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GravatarOoo, that was pretty cool. Manticore is not to be messed with.


GravatarWhat movie is that?
null pointer exception


Blair Witch Nonsense.


GravatarWell, this is positively action-packed.


GravatarI liked it, but...

Cellphones? Hel-LO???


A)It took place in 1994.

B)They were fucked from the moment they went into the woods.


Gravatarmebbe - but i feel about bogart the way a lot moonbats feel about kubrick. he can do no wrong.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


I hear ya. He's always fun to watch. Ever see "Black Legion"?


GravatarI am watching the wrinkles on my empty, unmade bed.
null pointer exception


There's a good case to be made for not making beds.

The moisture trapped under the bedding is a ripe breeding ground for dust mites and other organisms. Better to just turn down the sheets and let the bed air out.

Or so this lazy guy says.

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GravatarBisected bodies.

Can it get better?


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GravatarOh, and


Lurk...


Gravatar These people aren't Iraqi like that Iraqi guy on Lost.

he is buff. if i ever went in for that kind of thing ....


GravatarSo what do we know so far? Is the Manticore badder than the Mansquito?


GravatarThat scene was "half-way" decent.


GravatarI also hate angelika. They have a very odd sitting. The sound system is not too good either. But they do have a pretty good cafeteria.


GravatarBut later. I need a nap. Somebody wake me when people start getting frisky

and here I was going to go make some creme fraiche.


GravatarThe moisture trapped under the bedding is a ripe breeding ground for dust mites and other organisms. Better to just turn down the sheets and let the bed air out.

Or so this lazy guy says.


I like the way you think! Looks like I may soon be striking another blow against the wife's domestic tyranny....


GravatarI hear ya. He's always fun to watch. Ever see "Black Legion"?

The Return Of Dr. X!


GravatarThe Return Of Dr. X!
Eli


Oh man, what a fucking mess that movie is...


GravatarOh man, what a fucking mess that movie is...

You say that like it's a bad thing.


GravatarOr am I thinking of a different one...the blood transfusion one, right? With the weird color stock?


GravatarThe moisture trapped under the bedding is a ripe breeding ground for dust mites and other organisms. Better to just turn down the sheets and let the bed air out.

That what Strom used to say about wearing underwear.You ever seen dust mites riding side saddle on a penis?
-Liddy Dole


GravatarIf kubrick could do nothing wrong, how do you explain Eyes Wide Shut?


Gravatar Or am I thinking of a different one...the blood transfusion one, right? With the weird color stock?

I think that's the one, yeah.


Gravatarwatertiger sez:

and here I was going to go make some creme fraiche.

Don't let us stop you.


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GravatarAssassinations


GravatarBlair Witch.




Ever hear Denis Leary go off on that movie?

Funny!


GravatarI hear ya. He's always fun to watch. Ever see "Black Legion"?
Phila | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:25 pm | #


i don't think so - is that the one about corrupt unions or something along those lines?


GravatarI also hate angelika. They have a very odd sitting. The sound system is not too good either. But they do have a pretty good cafeteria.

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

(runs screaming out of the room)

I loathe the Angelika with the heat of a thousand suns. "Oooh, we can be as obnoxious as we want -- we're an ART house!"


GravatarYou say that like it's a bad thing.
Eli



No, no. I'm saying it appreciatively. I actually have that thing on VHS, somewhere...


Gravatar anyone see sarah silverman's new movie? i can't wait til it comes here....

Is it just me or is Sarah Silverman just about the world's sexiest woman?


GravatarTell us if they move...
Doozer, (truncated)

Used to love that constant unmoving motion, swirling and wiggling.

But that was in a different life time, or so it seems.

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GravatarIs it just me or is Sarah Silverman just about the world's sexiest woman?
Jim J

You are correct.


Gravataroh, please.


Gravatari don't think so - is that the one about corrupt unions or something along those lines?
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Nah. It's an anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-Klan film. Pretty effective, too. A bit like Fritz Lang's "Fury" in some ways. Bogart's pretty amazing in it.


GravatarSorry to repeat, but this is Three Kings only bad.


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GravatarTHANK YOU WATERTIGER !


GravatarIt wasn't Beltran's fault, but I couldn't stomach the prissy, anal Chakotay character from the get-go.

Based on the pre-debut hype, I expected the Maqui to be a rag-tag band of rowdy rebels-- sort of a Federation crew stepping through a warped and jagged Looking Glass.

I thought they'd have a running theme playing off the tension between the uptight, by-the-book Academy grads and the anarchic rebel-types.

Instead, they wrote scenes like Chakotay having a hissy fit because some seductress pilfers mushrooms from ship's stores to make him some soup. He really acts horrified and pissed, too.

Even a normal man would have eaten the soup, bedded the babe, and maybe afterwards warned her gently not to take food without permission in the future.

Seven of Nine drew me back, and IMHO Jeri Ryan redeemed the moribund series and allowed it to die with dignity.


Gravataroh, boo.

yah.


Gravatar Sorry to repeat, but this is Three Kings only bad.

Three Kings had a manticore? Awesome.


Gravatar If kubrick could do nothing wrong, how do you explain Eyes Wide Shut?
null pointer exception | 11.26.05 - 9:29 pm | #


that's what i said. of course, i also made the mistake of dissing the shining.

people apparently thought that even tho EWS sucked, kubrick did an amazing job with its suckiness.

and i usually like kubrick. a lot.


GravatarSarah Silverman is the goddess of comic timing.


GravatarI didn't get 2001 until ten years after I first saw it so I'm going to give Eyes Wide Shut ten years too.

What's that like in 2009?


GravatarThe Walter Reade Theater has good seating and good acoustics.


GravatarI loathe the Angelika with the heat of a thousand suns. "Oooh, we can be as obnoxious as we want -- we're an ART house!"

I second that.

Angelika: high-falutin' shithole.


Gravatarnull,

the seating is for crap, the sound is for crap, the people are for crap.

And their pastries etc. are overpriced.


GravatarThe moisture trapped under the bedding is a ripe breeding ground for dust mites and other organisms. Better to just turn down the sheets and let the bed air out.

Or so this lazy guy says.


I'm much lazier. On days I don't wanna get out of bed I rely on that moisture & them mites for sustenance.


GravatarBuenos noches, bats!


GravatarVoyager was teh suck.


GravatarThe Walter Reade Theater has good seating and good acoustics.
masculine_monica_nyc


Agreed. And the New Rose in Brooklyn is nice, too.


Gravataroh, boo.

yah.





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GravatarThe Walter Reade Theater has good seating and good acoustics.

Yes.

And btw ... "You and Me and Everyone We Know" is absolutely, positively, definitely awful.


GravatarNah. It's an anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-Klan film. Pretty effective, too. A bit like Fritz Lang's "Fury" in some ways. Bogart's pretty amazing in it.
Phila | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:31 pm | #


i'll have to rent it - doesn't show up on amc. thanks for the rec.


GravatarWho is Sarah Silverman?


GravatarSarah Deere --

I liked "Walk the Line" very much -- AND I am not a fan of either Joaquin Phoenix nor Reese Witherspoon -- BUT I was a fan of rockabilly -- I would have enjoyed more music -- OTOH, it was pretty long -- BUT it didn't seem long to me -- most impressed that everyone did their own singing

rorschach liked it as well


GravatarI'm much lazier. On days I don't wanna get out of bed I rely on that moisture & them mites for sustenance.
Thers


Ah yes, the Petzold Diet.


GravatarNot so shrill tonight...what's up with that? =x


GravatarIf kubrick could do nothing wrong, how do you explain Eyes Wide Shut?
null pointer exception


Some things are best left unexplained.
(never to be pondered again)

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Gravatarres,
Calm your guilt, sister. Rosie falls like that about 30 times a day. I'm tellin' ya, kids are made of rubber and snot. She's none the worse for wear.


GravatarNYMary,

he may have had his question answered by k&y, but attaturk had an anime question. I told him the teen was a big fan.


GravatarEven a normal man would have eaten the soup, bedded the babe, and maybe afterwards warned her gently not to take food without permission in the future.



That's what Captain Kirk would have done!


GravatarBut later. I need a nap. Somebody wake me when people start getting frisky.
NTodd - 9:23 pm


shuld it ever become impingent th calm NTodd, if he can be brought to heel, the application mesmerizing pressure between the eyes, and across the bridge of the nose, can reliably still passinate outbursts...

so my vet sez, anyway


GravatarManatees, not Manticores.

So cries me (cry I?)


GravatarAnd btw ... "You and Me and Everyone We Know" is absolutely, positively, definitely awful.

That's too bad. Guess I'm lucky you beat me to Kim's then.


Gravatarok, i'm really looking forward to sarah silverman anyway.

i thought the aristocrats was very funny. about 30 minutes of it. any 30 minutes, it doesn't matter which ones.


GravatarThe moisture trapped under the bedding is a ripe breeding ground for dust mites and other organisms. Better to just turn down the sheets and let the bed air out.

Funny you should say that: Just Try to Sleep Tight: Bedbugs are Back.


GravatarCameraman is toast.


GravatarOh, she's definitely Poseur Reporter Extraordinaire.

And she has a manticore behind her.


GravatarWho is Sarah Silverman?
masculine_monica_nyc


Jimmy Kimmel's girlfriend, isn't she?


Gravatar Who is Sarah Silverman?
masculine_monica_nyc


I don't actually know either.


GravatarThat's too bad. Guess I'm lucky you beat me to Kim's then

The new Robert Greenwald doc about Wal-Mart was a let-down, too. His Faux News expose was far better.


GravatarWho is Sarah Silverman?

Ask simels when he shows up.


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Gravatarmonica_nyc:
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/interviews/16.html


GravatarEWS was not a watchable movie from beginning to end. The Shining was.


Gravatarres,

i read that earlier. I'm feeling all itchy.

actually, a friend of mine was attacked by bedbugs in a Holiday Inn in Albany. She threatened to sue the hotel.


Gravatar And the New Rose in Brooklyn is nice, too.

Yep.


GravatarBuenos noches, bats!
NYMary

Hasta!

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GravatarSo the manticore is, like, a big doggy with bat wings?


GravatarIf we don't fight the Manticores over there we'll be fighting them on our streets.


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GravatarWho is Sarah Silverman?
masculine_monica_nyc | 11.26.05 - 9:33 pm | #

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stand up comic. her movie is called "jesus is magic" iirc. saw previews, one of my son's friends saw it and almost ended up in the ER from laughing so hard (he says)


GravatarJimmy Kimmel's girlfriend, isn't she?

Comedian - perhaps you know her as the obnoxious girlfriend in "School of Rock".


GravatarI don't actually know either.

Comedienne specializing in shock humor. Example: “Everybody blames the Jews for killing Christ. And then the Jews try to pass it off on the Romans. I’m one of the few people that believe it was the blacks.”

See more here.


Gravatarroger ebert hated it, btw. another plus.


GravatarSarah Siverman and Bob Saget were the highlight of Aristocrats.


GravatarShe's none the worse for wear.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:34 pm | #

three words: low. center(of). gravity.


okay you know what i meant...


Gravatar"Seven of Nine drew me back, and IMHO Jeri Ryan redeemed the moribund series and allowed it to die with dignity."

Here! here!

And she looked great too.

Actually I could enjoy Voyager except for the episodes that were clearly written to focus on Mulgrew 100 percent. It is like she had a seperate team of writers just for her. Ryan did manage to make them improve the writing despite the fact she was the sex appeal. Very odd they pulled that off.


Gravatar"Who is Sarah Silverman?
masculine_monica_nyc | 11.26.05 - 9:33 pm | #"

She is one of the most offensive or funniest stand ups there is (part of the offensive part is that we aged patriarchs can sometimes stmoach things from a guy that are disturbing from a women) -- one of her lines that I remember (although not the exact names) went -- 'My cousin got married -- they hyphenated their names -- "Goldfarb-Abramowitz" -- they're thinking of changing it to "Jew". '


GravatarComedian - perhaps you know her as the obnoxious girlfriend in "School of Rock".

And Screwed, as well (very underrated movie, BTW). Also Greg The Bunny and one or two in-over-her-head episodes of SNL.


GravatarIf we don't fight the Manticores over there we'll be fighting them on our streets.

That's a good point. We should probably invade Transylvania, too. What if Al-Qaeda operatives smuggle vampires into the USA?


GravatarCalm your guilt, sister. Rosie falls like that about 30 times a day. I'm tellin' ya, kids are made of rubber and snot. She's none the worse for wear.

Her little head sounded a fierce "smack" when it hit the floorboards. She's just a little peanut butter cup, for crissakes!


GravatarWhere exactly is New Rose in Brooklyn? I live in Brooklyn; and I have never been to New Rose.


GravatarAAAAAAH! It's the Burger King!!!


Gravatar"Nazis are A-holes, and I'll be the first one to say it. 'Cos I'm edgy"
- silverman


GravatarBuenos noches, bats!
NYMary


Have you guys returned to Liberal Mountain?


GravatarThe Who.

Now Kansas.

Amazing.

(What little teevee I watch I download. So ads are a revelation to me.)


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PS: And these Burger King ads are creepy.


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Gravatar AAAAAAH! It's the Burger King!!!

The Burger King *rocks*!!!


Gravatarfashion faux pas.


GravatarFunny you should say that: Just Try to Sleep Tight: Bedbugs are Back.
res ipsa loquitur |

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!


GravatarAnyone NYC folk been to that new IFC screening room on 6th @ Waverly?


Gravatartime to cut and run. have to pay for that martini.


GravatarI like Sarah Silverman.

Her boyfriend's a load, but she's fairly brave and funny.


GravatarSilverman: Greg the Bunny.


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Gravatar"PS: And these Burger King ads are creepy."

Well, they make you remember them. And talk about Burger King.

So I guess they're succeeding. Not sure it's the right kind of success, but still....


GravatarWhere exactly is New Rose in Brooklyn? I live in Brooklyn; and I have never been to New Rose.
null pointer exception


Fort Greene, IIRC.


GravatarWhere exactly is New Rose in Brooklyn? I live in Brooklyn; and I have never been to New Rose.

null pointer: At BAM.


Gravataraquatigre, who is that man in the ugly pink skirt w/out white sox...???


Gravatarres ipsa loquitur

Bedbugs are back and spreading through New York City like a swarm of locusts on a lush field of wheat.


OMG.

I will sleep standing up from now on!



GravatarWhat if Al-Qaeda operatives smuggle vampires into the USA?

They'll get wingnut newspaper columns. You never saw Novak in the daylight, did you?


GravatarVoyager totally lost me with the episode where B'ellana Torres went thru the Klingon version of pon farr. Tom Paris had been trying to get under her uniform since the series started. But suddenly he gets all "noble" and won't have sex with her, stating that she'll regret it when she's herself.

I thought, "What the hell! Does he think she's a Victorian maiden? That she's never had sex before?" What is said to me was: he wanted them to have sex on his initiative, not when she needed it.

When she actually thanked him afterward, and later married him, it struck me as totally unrealistic and absurd.


Gravatarfashion faux pas.
watertiger


I don't know what he was thinking with the yellow shirt either. Pale pink would've worked much better.


Gravatarres --
I still owe you an email (& I don't do online games OR Scrabble -- my college roommate could give you a run for your money on the latter however & he just moved to New Jersey!)

You New Yorker link should give the correct version of the Sussn Silverman story I tried from memory above

I believe she was Jack Black's unsympathetic girlfriend in "School of Rock" (which I enjoyed -- I'm easy to please)


GravatarIt's BAM Rose, actually...not New Rose. I'm wasted on painkillers.


Gravatarres, funny you mentioned IFC center. I was thinking about going there just today, but at the last moment I decided to watch Syriana.


GravatarI read Jarhead. Local boy. Don't know that I want to go see it.


GravatarBedbugs are back and spreading through New York City like a swarm of locusts on a lush field of wheat.

Uhhh, I didn't need to know that.

I'm cancelling.


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Gravatarfashion faux pas.
watertiger



Hey, when you're a White guy named FRED FUNK what do you expect?


GravatarEWS was not a watchable movie from beginning to end. The Shining was.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:37 pm | #


The Shining sucked ass.

Typical low budget Stephen King production to cash in on the book.

Christine had more substance.


GravatarWhen she actually thanked him afterward, and later married him, it struck me as totally unrealistic and absurd.

This is exactly why I haven't had sex with watertiger. It's all part of my master plan.


GravatarHistory Channel tonight had a show called "Modern Marvels: Doomsday Weapons."

some oftheir programming really creeps me out. a while ago there was one on methods of torture through the ages. and i must say, people in the old days sure were some evil motherfuckers.


GravatarIt's BAM Rose, actually...not New Rose. I'm wasted on painkillers.
Phila

because of the cyst?


GravatarThis is exactly why I haven't had sex with watertiger. It's all part of my master plan.

Bet it's part of your girlfriend's master plan, too.


GravatarWho knew Iraq looked like SoCal?


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Gravatar"That's a good point. We should probably invade Transylvania, too. What if Al-Qaeda operatives smuggle vampires into the USA?"

Too late, have you seen the Vice President?


GravatarThe Shining sucked ass.

Which "Shining" are you talking about, Kubrick's or the ABC one?


Gravatarnull pointer:

How was "Syrianna?"


GravatarUhhh, I didn't need to know that.

I'm cancelling.


They better be avoiding Marriotts....


GravatarBet it's part of your girlfriend's master plan, too.

Umm... yes. Absolutely.


*looks nervously around*


GravatarI read Jarhead. Local boy. Don't know that I want to go see it.
Sarah Deere | 11.26.05 - 9:44 pm | #

Big surprise.


GravatarOh chris, we are having another Kubrick vs. teevee "Shining" debate again.


Gravatar Bedbugs are back and spreading through New York City like a swarm of locusts on a lush field of wheat.


Can we say "slightly hysterical reportage"?


GravatarPhooey --
everybody on broadband already posts everything I try to say (mopes).

except for comments on "Walk the Line" for Sarah -- nobody besides me see it?

Ebert liked it, too (FWIW).


GravatarCan we say "slightly hysterical reportage"?

THE STUDIO IS IN A PANIC!!!


GravatarThey better be avoiding Marriotts....

That scab NYMary has nothing to do with this.


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GravatarPrior A...

Hello. "School of Rock" was fun. I think I saw it and "Bad Santa" on the same day. The latter was beyond hilarious.


GravatarHave you guys returned to Liberal Mountain?
flory, keeper of the VIP keys


Yep, just a while ago. We had to stop at a WalMart on the way back because Rosie was out of diapers, but it wasn't all bad: we determined that there's no need for us to go to a WalMart for the Christmas season now. So a net gain, really.

I just dropped $100 on DVD's for the teen--buying her much of the Tim Burton catalogue. She's obsessed with him.


Gravatarsarah silverman is dating jimmy kimmel?

That's like me dating K-Lo.


GravatarThe Shining sucked ass.

Which "Shining" are you talking about, Kubrick's or the ABC one?
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 9:46 pm | #

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Not a fan of film of King films with exception to The Stand, disregarding the ridiculous ending in Las Vegas.

Although...... Salem's Lot scared the hell out of me as a kid.


Gravatar"Hello. "School of Rock" was fun. I think I saw it and "Bad Santa" on the same day. The latter was beyond hilarious.
res ipsa loquitur
"

If I ever spawn a mini-Nim, I wanna name it Thurman Murman.


Gravatarbecause of the cyst?
Sarah Deere


You know it. Staggered in to the Dr.'s office today, and the doctor says, "Please tell me you have not been walking around like that for a week." I had a high old time, let me tell you...the best part was getting multiple iodine-soaked cloths pushed an inch into my back...where they now remain, with the tufts sticking out of the sores.

My advice? If you have a sebaceous cyst, get it removed before it gets infected. Doctors have no sense of urgency about it, but I'm telling ya...it's REALLY unpleasant getting one of these fuckers drained. And I've got two more procedures before I'm done.


Gravatarres -
I haven't seen Syriana yet. It was sold out at Angelika.


GravatarThere's no crying in Manticore!!!!


GravatarAtrios I'm sure Ms. Lo would be honored but she's married now.

And yes.
She is dating that asshole.

That's what a lot of the movie is about.


Gravatar Bedbugs are back and spreading through New York City like a swarm of locusts on a lush field of wheat.


Can we say "slightly hysterical reportage"?


I was going for "crappily overwritten," but yours works too.


GravatarOh chris, we are having another Kubrick vs. teevee "Shining" debate again.
res ipsa loquitur | 11.26.05 - 9:46 pm | #


Tht's not even worth a debate.


GravatarThis is exactly why I haven't had sex with watertiger. It's all part of my master plan.

I love being manipulated!




I'll come in again.


Gravatarwrong Lo. kathryn jean lopez, not jennifer


GravatarEep. Sorry, Phila. Hope you get fully fixed up soon.


GravatarMy favorite Silverman from the New Yorker was prolly "I wear this St. Christopher medal sometimes because—I’m Jewish, but my boyfriend is Catholic—it was cute the way he gave it to me. He said if it doesn’t burn through my skin it will protect me.”

Jarhead -- from what I hear, an interesting concept that was a pretty boring movie that still slipped into movie cliche -- but several interesting ideas -- so they tell me...


GravatarAtrios sez:

sarah silverman is dating jimmy kimmel?

That's like me dating K-Lo.


You're dating K-Lo?

The wonder of the internets!


.


Gravatarsarah silverman is dating jimmy kimmel?

That's like me dating K-Lo.
Atrios


Yep.

Go figure.

Now stop making us sick.


GravatarBedbugs are back and spreading through New York City like a swarm of locusts on a lush field of wheat.

Can we say "slightly hysterical reportage"?


WTF? is w/the locusts?

It's like MD Lt. Gov's Steele's allegation that COOKIES were thrown at him. His spokesman said, It was raining Oreos. They were thick in the air like locusts."


Gravatar"Atrios I'm sure Ms. Lo would be honored but she's married now."

I don't think the ceremony in her backyard, with the cardboard cutout of W, officiated by Mr. Buckley the Stuffed Panda, is legally binding though.


GravatarPhila,
I love you, man, but that is disgusting.


GravatarThat's like me dating K-Lo.

don't give attaturk any more photoshopping ideas, PLEEEEEZE!


GravatarSalem's Lot is, more than likely, the best TV horror movie ever. It's easily the best job anyone has done with King's stuff, even with David Soul.


Gravatarsarah silverman is dating jimmy kimmel?

That's like me dating K-Lo.
Atrios


Love is strange.


Gravatarwrong Lo. kathryn jean lopez, not jennifer

and soooooo NOT married!


Gravatarattaturk,
what was your anime question?


Gravatar
That's like me dating K-Lo.
Atrios


Think of the "sweating"!


GravatarThe best movie based on a King book has to be The Shawshank Redemption. I still fail to understand how Oscars completely ignored that movie.


GravatarLove is strange.

So is movie marketing.


GravatarHow to make a movie:

1. Watch Three Kings.

2. Have no talent.

3. Try to be topical.

4. Add monster.

5. Stir and voila!


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GravatarEep. Sorry, Phila. Hope you get fully fixed up soon.
Eli


I don't want to sound like I'm complaining. At least, not about how I feel right now. This is the best I've felt in a while, even without the narcotics. I mentioned to the doctor that I'd been feeling a little woozy and nauseated, and asked if it was some sort of poisoning from the infection, and she said "No, I think that's just from spending a week in constant pain."


Gravataraquatigre, who is that man in the ugly pink skirt w/out white sox...???
Sarah Deere


Did he lose a wager?


GravatarThink of the "sweating"!

*facepalm*


Gravatarand soooooo NOT married!

Inconceivable!


GravatarGood night douche bags.

We're going to watch The Last of the Mohicans this evening.


GravatarThat's like me dating K-Lo.

Can somebody hold me? That's one scary thought.


Gravatarres --
I understand they had trouble coming up with PG trailers for "Bad Santa" because they couldn't get several minutes of footage with "fuck" in it -- I thought the closing scene with the kids watching as the cops were chasing Santa was wonderful!


Gravatarattaturk,
what was your anime question?
NYMary


I got my niece an Anime for X-Mas, "The Full Metal Alchemist" I heard it was good and that it would be okay for a teenager. But that was hearsay as opposed to someone who knew something about Anime.

Of which I know nothing.


GravatarDid he lose a wager?

Golfer Fred Funk lost a bet to Annika Sorenson, so he had to play 18 in a skirt.

Oh, that wacky PGA!


GravatarI mentioned to the doctor that I'd been feeling a little woozy and nauseated, and asked if it was some sort of poisoning from the infection, and she said "No, I think that's just from spending a week in constant pain."

I hear watching "Manticore" can also have that effect.


GravatarNYMary ...

I have Rosie's sippy cup!

I have never had a sippy cup on these premises!

I am drinking a martini out of it at the moment.


GravatarI have a better time watching bad sci-fi channel movies by proxy here than I would actually viewing them.


GravatarPhila,
I love you, man, but that is disgusting.
NYMary


Hey, she gave me the play-by-play while lancing the thing, and believe me, I'm giving you the "polite company" version. God only knows what nightmares I'll have tonight.


GravatarI don't think the ceremony in her backyard, with the cardboard cutout of W, officiated by Mr. Buckley the Stuffed Panda, is legally binding though

Well she did have Justice Thomas catch her bouquet of pubic hair.


GravatarInconceivable!
Eli


Incognitable!


Gravataroops Atrios.

And I don't think that Ms. Lo dates.
Her duties at The Corner take up all her time.


res ipsa I saw Syriana.


GravatarAnd I've got two more procedures before I'm done.
Phila

Phila, oh, geez.....Big Sympathy, here.


Gravatarres ipsa I saw Syriana.

HoneyBear ...

And?


GravatarGolfer Fred Funk lost a bet to Annika Sorenson, so he had to play 18 in a skirt.

The skirt part was okay, but the thong was pushing it.


GravatarI got my niece an Anime for X-Mas, "The Full Metal Alchemist" I heard it was good and that it would be okay for a teenager. But that was hearsay as opposed to someone who knew something about Anime.

My teen says "a lot of people like it, but I don't."

She's troublesome.


GravatarThat's like me dating K-Lo.

don't give attaturk any more photoshopping ideas, PLEEEEEZE!
watertiger


I will refrain.

It will be tough.

But I will refrain.


(K-Lo worshipping at the Atrios of the Underpass?)


GravatarThink of the "sweating"!

And the back hair.


GravatarPhila, oh, geez.....Big Sympathy, here.
Sarah Deere


Thankee, ma'am.

And on that note, I'm going to get some food. Have fun with your manticore, folks!


Gravataranime - girl anime favorites different than guys. Sort of like sci fi that way.


GravatarSpirited Away is easily the best anime I've seen, and I've seen some good ones.


GravatarAnyone NYC folk been to that new IFC screening room on 6th @ Waverly?

Yeah. It reminds me of an extremely high-end, extremely slick Film Forum.

It's hyperaware of the IFC brand.

But the seating and acoustics are good. I'm gonna see the Zizek movie there.


GravatarVicki -

I'm still sore about you burning my tofu.




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GravatarI have Rosie's sippy cup!

I have never had a sippy cup on these premises!

I am drinking a martini out of it at the moment.
res ipsa loquitur


Good! You won't spill now! (But it's hard to get the olive through the holes.)

We'll get it next month. Maybe even wash the liquor out before we give it to the kid.


GravatarApart from Akira & Space Cruiser Yamato(AKA Star Blazers), anime leaves me cold.


GravatarI did like Spirited Away, one of the few I've been able to sit through.


GravatarSorenstam.

Not Sorenson.

Annika Sorenstam.

My bad.


GravatarThe skirt part was okay, but the thong was pushing it.

And the Brazil wax was right over the top.


GravatarI really liked Battle Of The Planets when I was a kid, too. And had a soft spot for Voltron later on...


GravatarGolfer Fred Funk lost a bet to Annika Sorenson, so he had to play 18 in a skirt.

The skirt part was okay, but the thong was pushing it.
chris/tx



GravatarThink of the "sweating"!

And the back hair.
spinoza


Well, I really am in no position to know but I would guess that Atrios isn't all that hairy back there...

...Oh, my you weren't referring to Atrios were you?


GravatarAh, G-Force!


GravatarThe manticore has RPGs!!!


GravatarSpirited Away was good.


GravatarWhat was that stupid Steven King 3 parter about Evil clowns in the sewers or something. IT? Or The Thing, or something?

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Gravatar What was that stupid Steven King 3 parter about Evil clowns in the sewers or something. IT? Or The Thing, or something?

IT.


GravatarWhere's the effing Manticore?


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GravatarI wonder if Frank Rich is lurking tonight?

I sure would like to read his new column.


Gravatar"What was that stupid Steven King 3 parter about Evil clowns in the sewers or something. "

That's pretty much every Stephen King plot =x


GravatarGood night, kind folks. I'm going to watch tv...PBS...later.


GravatarOK -- 30 minutes past lights out, so I better go -- g'nite batsies!


GravatarNot that our IT department is *entirely* populated with evil clowns or anything...


Gravatar IT?

That's the one. Egad, what a disappointment. That's King's last decent book, IMAO.


Gravatarres ipsa I thought Syriana was very good.

I doubt it will win any awards though.
And it was kind of depressing.


GravatarIT.

Wasn't Tim Curry the clown?


GravatarBTW, what's with Bill Richardson and Baseball Draft?


GravatarWasn't Tim Curry the clown?

Yup.


GravatarH'm. On TV here (NS) I've got some weird movie called "Le Seigneur des Anneaux: La Communaute des Anneaux." Seems like junk.


Gravatar...Oh, my you weren't referring to Atrios were you?

NO!

YOU!


DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN'T!



GravatarWasn't Tim Curry the clown?

He was great in his one episode of Lexx/Tales From A Parallel Universe (great show before Sci-Fi messed it up).


GravatarThey capped Freddo. Y'know, an edited for TV, with commercials, cut into parts of parts viewing of "The Godfather" on TV is not really worth it.


GravatarBTW, what's with Bill Richardson and Baseball Draft?
null pointer exception


Tempest in a teapot?

HIS whooper didn't get thousands killed.

Just sayin'.


GravatarIT.

Wasn't Tim Curry the clown?
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 10:01 pm | #


Wasn't John Ritter in it as well? And, dammit, her name is slipping my mind, Annette O'Toole?


GravatarUh-oh! Poison espresso!


GravatarOops - WHOPPER


GravatarI'm not Frank Rich but...

GEORGE W. BUSH is so desperate for allies that his hapless Asian tour took him to Ulan Bator, a first for an American president, so he could mingle with the yaks and give personal thanks for Mongolia's contribution of some 160 soldiers to "the coalition of the willing." Dick Cheney, whose honest-and-ethical poll number hit 29 percent in Newsweek's latest survey, is so radioactive that he vanished into his bunker for weeks at a time during the storms Katrina and Scootergate.

The whole world can see that both men are on the run. Just how much so became clear in the brace of nasty broadsides each delivered this month about Iraq. Neither man engaged the national debate ignited by John Murtha about how our troops might be best redeployed in a recalibrated battle against Islamic radicalism. Neither offered a plan for "victory." Instead, both impugned their critics' patriotism and retreated into the past to defend the origins of the war. In a seasonally appropriate impersonation of the misanthropic Mr. Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life," the vice president went so far as to label critics of the administration's prewar smoke screen both "dishonest and reprehensible" and "corrupt and shameless." He sounded but one epithet away from a defibrillator.

The Washington line has it that the motivation for the Bush-Cheney rage is the need to push back against opponents who have bloodied the White House in the polls. But, Mr. Murtha notwithstanding, the Democrats are too feeble to merit that strong a response. There is more going on here than politics.

Much more: each day brings slam-dunk evidence that the doomsday threats marshaled by the administration to sell the war weren't, in Cheney-speak, just dishonest and reprehensible but also corrupt and shameless. The more the president and vice president tell us that their mistakes were merely innocent byproducts of the same bad intelligence seen by everyone else in the world, the more we learn that this was not so. The web of half-truths and falsehoods used to sell the war did not happen by accident; it was woven by design and then foisted on the public by a P.R. operation built expressly for that purpose in the White House. The real point of the Bush-Cheney verbal fisticuffs this month, like the earlier campaign to take down Joseph Wilson, is less to smite Democrats than to cover up wrongdoing in the executive branch between 9/11 and shock and awe.


GravatarI think Private Joker is goin' down.


GravatarGood evening moonbats! I thought you all might enjoy my new column. It'll take a couple of posts.

GEORGE W. BUSH is so desperate for allies that his hapless Asian tour took him to Ulan Bator, a first for an American president, so he could mingle with the yaks and give personal thanks for Mongolia's contribution of some 160 soldiers to "the coalition of the willing." Dick Cheney, whose honest-and-ethical poll number hit 29 percent in Newsweek's latest survey, is so radioactive that he vanished into his bunker for weeks at a time during the storms Katrina and Scootergate.

The whole world can see that both men are on the run. Just how much so became clear in the brace of nasty broadsides each delivered this month about Iraq. Neither man engaged the national debate ignited by John Murtha about how our troops might be best redeployed in a recalibrated battle against Islamic radicalism. Neither offered a plan for "victory." Instead, both impugned their critics' patriotism and retreated into the past to defend the origins of the war. In a seasonally appropriate impersonation of the misanthropic Mr. Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life," the vice president went so far as to label critics of the administration's prewar smoke screen both "dishonest and reprehensible" and "corrupt and shameless." He sounded but one epithet away from a defibrillator.

The Washington line has it that the motivation for the Bush-Cheney rage is the need to push back against opponents who have bloodied the White House in the polls. But, Mr. Murtha notwithstanding, the Democrats are too feeble to merit that strong a response. There is more going on here than politics.

Much more: each day brings slam-dunk evidence that the doomsday threats marshaled by the administration to sell the war weren't, in Cheney-speak, just dishonest and reprehensible but also corrupt and shameless. The more the president and vice president tell us that their mistakes were merely innocent byproducts of the same bad intelligence seen by everyone else in the world, the more we learn that this was not so. The web of half-truths and falsehoods used to sell the war did not happen by accident; it was woven by design and then foisted on the public by a P.R. operation built expressly for that purpose in the White House. The real point of the Bush-Cheney verbal fisticuffs this month, like the earlier campaign to take down Joseph Wilson, is less to smite Democrats than to cover up wrongdoing in the executive branch between 9/11 and shock and awe.



GravatarThey capped Freddo. Y'know, an edited for TV, with commercials, cut into parts of parts viewing of "The Godfather" on TV is not really worth it.

Not usually, no. With some films, like Blazing Saddles, they insert extra footage to make up for all they cut. Of course, that's less of a perk in the age of DVDs.


GravatarI can't imagine anyone not being a fan of Joaquin Phoenix. He was absolutely the best thing about "Gladiator" IMHO.


GravatarPart 2:

The cover-up is failing, however. No matter how much the president and vice president raise their decibel levels, the truth keeps roaring out. A nearly 7,000-word investigation in last Sunday's Los Angeles Times found that Mr. Bush and his aides had "issued increasingly dire warnings" about Iraq's mobile biological weapons labs long after U.S. intelligence authorities were told by Germany's Federal Intelligence Service that the principal source for these warnings, an Iraqi defector in German custody code-named Curveball, "never claimed to produce germ weapons and never saw anyone else do so." The five senior German intelligence officials who spoke to The Times said they were aghast that such long-discredited misinformation from a suspected fabricator turned up in Colin Powell's presentation to the United Nations and in the president's 2003 State of the Union address (where it shared billing with the equally bogus 16 words about Saddam's fictitious African uranium).

Right after the L.A. Times scoop, Murray Waas filled in another piece of the prewar propaganda puzzle. He reported in the nonpartisan National Journal that 10 days after 9/11, "President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda."

The information was delivered in the President's Daily Brief, a C.I.A. assessment also given to the vice president and other top administration officials. Nonetheless Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney repeatedly pounded in an implicit (and at times specific) link between Saddam and Al Qaeda until Americans even started to believe that the 9/11 attacks had been carried out by Iraqis. More damning still, Mr. Waas finds that the "few credible reports" of Iraq-Al Qaeda contacts actually involved efforts by Saddam to monitor or infiltrate Islamic terrorist groups, which he regarded as adversaries of his secular regime. Thus Saddam's antipathy to Islamic radicals was the same in 2001 as it had been in 1983, when Donald Rumsfeld, then a Reagan administration emissary, embraced the dictator as a secular fascist ally in the American struggle against the theocratic fascist rulers in Iran.

What these revelations also tell us is that Mr. Bush was wrong when he said in his Veterans Day speech that more than 100 Congressional Democrats who voted for the Iraqi war resolution "had access to the same intelligence" he did. They didn't have access to the President's Daily Brief that Mr. Waas uncovered. They didn't have access to the information that German intelligence officials spoke about to The Los Angeles Times. Nor did they have access to material from a Defense Intelligence Agency report, released by Senator Carl Levin of Michigan this month, which as early as February 2002 demolished the reliability of another major source that the administration had p


GravatarDuelling Frank Rich columns!


Gravatar
The cover-up is failing, however. No matter how much the president and vice president raise their decibel levels, the truth keeps roaring out. A nearly 7,000-word investigation in last Sunday's Los Angeles Times found that Mr. Bush and his aides had "issued increasingly dire warnings" about Iraq's mobile biological weapons labs long after U.S. intelligence authorities were told by Germany's Federal Intelligence Service that the principal source for these warnings, an Iraqi defector in German custody code-named Curveball, "never claimed to produce germ weapons and never saw anyone else do so." The five senior German intelligence officials who spoke to The Times said they were aghast that such long-discredited misinformation from a suspected fabricator turned up in Colin Powell's presentation to the United Nations and in the president's 2003 State of the Union address (where it shared billing with the equally bogus 16 words about Saddam's fictitious African uranium).

Right after the L.A. Times scoop, Murray Waas filled in another piece of the prewar propaganda puzzle. He reported in the nonpartisan National Journal that 10 days after 9/11, "President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda."

The information was delivered in the President's Daily Brief, a C.I.A. assessment also given to the vice president and other top administration officials. Nonetheless Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney repeatedly pounded in an implicit (and at times specific) link between Saddam and Al Qaeda until Americans even started to believe that the 9/11 attacks had been carried out by Iraqis. More damning still, Mr. Waas finds that the "few credible reports" of Iraq-Al Qaeda contacts actually involved efforts by Saddam to monitor or infiltrate Islamic terrorist groups, which he regarded as adversaries of his secular regime. Thus Saddam's antipathy to Islamic radicals was the same in 2001 as it had been in 1983, when Donald Rumsfeld, then a Reagan administration emissary, embraced the dictator as a secular fascist ally in the American struggle against the theocratic fascist rulers in Iran.


GravatarI was really sick as a baby. My folks told me that when I or the other babies got too fussy the hospital staff would dip our thumbs in whisky and let us suck on them.

That was 50 years ago. Somehow I doubt they could get away with it now.

Oddly enough, though I do enjoy drinking, I don't care for whisky now.


GravatarOh, nevermind.




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GravatarI got my niece an Anime for X-Mas, "The Full Metal Alchemist" I heard it was good and that it would be okay for a teenager.

Adult Swim is airing Full Metal Alchemist these days.

It's silly.


GravatarEli,

ya think?

and there he goes.


Gravatarcontinued:

What these revelations also tell us is that Mr. Bush was wrong when he said in his Veterans Day speech that more than 100 Congressional Democrats who voted for the Iraqi war resolution "had access to the same intelligence" he did. They didn't have access to the President's Daily Brief that Mr. Waas uncovered. They didn't have access to the information that German intelligence officials spoke about to The Los Angeles Times. Nor did they have access to material from a Defense Intelligence Agency report, released by Senator Carl Levin of Michigan this month, which as early as February 2002 demolished the reliability of another major source that the administration had persistently used for its false claims about Iraqi-Al Qaeda collaboration.

The more we learn about the road to Iraq, the more we realize that it's a losing game to ask what lies the White House told along the way. A simpler question might be: What was not a lie? The situation recalls Mary McCarthy's explanation to Dick Cavett about why she thought Lillian Hellman was a dishonest writer: "Every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.' "

If Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney believe they were truthful in the run-up to the war, it's easy for them to make their case. Instead of falsely claiming that they've been exonerated by two commissions that looked into prewar intelligence - neither of which addressed possible White House misuse and mischaracterization of that intelligence - they should just release the rest of the President's Daily Briefs and other prewar documents that are now trickling out. Instead, incriminatingly enough, they are fighting the release of any such information, including unclassified documents found in post-invasion Iraq requested from the Pentagon by the pro-war, neocon Weekly Standard. As Scott Shane reported in The New York Times last month, Vietnam documents are now off limits, too: the National Security Agency won't make public a 2001 historical report on how American officials distorted intelligence in 1964 about the Gulf of Tonkin incident for fear it might "prompt uncomfortable comparisons" between the games White Houses played then and now to gin up wars.


GravatarWoohoo! Blood spatter!





I am easily amused.


GravatarAll men are lying scum bastards!

Sorry, just finished watching SVU. I'm better now.


GravatarI *think* the filmmakers actually believe they made a "good" movie.


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GravatarIT?

That's the one. Egad, what a disappointment. That's King's last decent book, IMAO.
BlakNo1

I remember going over to a friends house to watch all 3 episodes. Towards the end of the 3rd one, we were pissed! May have been one of the times beer cans bounced off the TV screen, but that was usually football games.
(The Bengals, you see)

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GravatarOh wow. The Hulk is next week's Sci-Fi movie? I didn't realize it sucked *that* bad.



How many people does Hulk eat? Anyone remember?


Gravatarthe end:

No debate about the past, of course, can undo the mess that the administration made in Iraq. But the past remains important because it is a road map to both the present and the future. Leaders who dissembled then are still doing so. Indeed, they do so even in the same speeches in which they vehemently deny having misled us then - witness Mr. Bush's false claims about what prewar intelligence was seen by Congress and Mr. Cheney's effort last Monday to again conflate the terrorists of 9/11 with those "making a stand in Iraq." (Maj. Gen. Douglas Lute, director of operations for Centcom, says the Iraqi insurgency is 90 percent homegrown.) These days Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney routinely exaggerate the readiness of Iraqi troops, much as they once inflated Saddam's W.M.D.'s.

"We're not going to sit by and let them rewrite history," the vice president said of his critics. "We're going to continue throwing their own words back at them." But according to a Harris poll released by The Wall Street Journal last Wednesday, 64 percent of Americans now believe that the Bush administration "generally misleads the American public on current issues to achieve its own ends." That's why it's Mr. Cheney's and the president's own words that are being thrown back now - not to rewrite history but to reveal it for the first time to an angry country that has learned the hard way that it can no longer afford to be without the truth.




GravatarThis is not the real Frank Rich, right?


GravatarI can't imagine anyone not being a fan of Joaquin Phoenix. He was absolutely the best thing about "Gladiator" IMHO.
Sweet Sue


Heard he's a winger.


Gravatar This is not the real Frank Rich, right?

The real Frank Rich would be too busy watching Manticore.


GravatarThanks, Frank!


GravatarI didn't get far enough into Gladiator to realize it had a good part. I hate that twitchy camera shit--it gives me vertigo.


GravatarJeez, thanks Frank, but I have read such stuff, and it wasn't so BLACK.

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GravatarI didn't get far enough into Gladiator to realize it had a good part. I hate that twitchy camera shit--it gives me vertigo.
NYMary


I understand that there was shitload of mistakes made on that film.

Mistakes that Editing did not fix.


Gravatar Jeez, thanks Frank, but I have read such stuff, and it wasn't so BLACK.

Frank doesn't have much use for sugar.


GravatarHeard he's a winger.
Nooooooo!!!!!!


GravatarThanks, Frank Rich!

Both of you.


GravatarHeard he's a winger.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat


Really? He's a vegan, although I guess you can be both.


GravatarHooray! They found the obnoxious reporter!


We're saved!


GravatarShe's like a cross between Judy Miller *and* Geraldo!


GravatarWell thanks Mr. Rich and spork. We have to get out of that country before we lose all our humanity. Go to the link that monica_nyc posted up thread. Horrific.

I'm off.

Hasta maņana.


GravatarWheere are the gratuitous babe in her bra scenes?

I DEMAND a gratuitous babe in her bra scene!


GravatarHeard he's a winger.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat

Really? He's a vegan, although I guess you can be both.
Marcia Brady ∞


Family Ties aside, those raised by hippies don't usually turn into wingers. Though I guess it could happen.


GravatarYes! Shoot her! Shoot her!


GravatarJoaquin Phoenix: Born to Children of God missionaries


GravatarI DEMAND a gratuitous babe in her bra scene!

But only if she's a scientist.


GravatarFrank Rich troll- ignore him.


GravatarI have a confession to make.

We were driving home today and stopped at one of those rest area/fast food places on the Thruway.

We were pulling away and we saw two wealthy looking people stepping out of a stretch Hummer limo.

So I gunned the engine momentarily and slammed on the horn. Scared the bejebus out of them.

I hates them limo Hummers.


GravatarUmmm..., I'm not enjoying this movie even as drek.


.


Gravatar Wheere are the gratuitous babe in her bra scenes?

I DEMAND a gratuitous babe in her bra scene!


I think large-chested Judy Rivera and Heather Donohue playing football in a tight t-shirt is about as good as it's gonna get.


GravatarNYMary, I have lowered my standards for this picture.

Gratuitous babe in her bra scene, NOW!

Or I stop watching!


GravatarShe's like a cross between Judy Miller *and* Geraldo!
Eli


That visual is just enticing.

And by enticing, of course I mean horrifying.


GravatarJoaquin Phoenix: Born to Children of God missionaries
spinoza


Well, that could explain why River was so fucked up.


GravatarThat visual is just enticing.

And by enticing, of course I mean horrifying.


Well, she has bigger boobs than either.


GravatarThat's rich! A Sci Fi Original Picture prattling on about "Common Decency"!


GravatarFamily Ties aside, those raised by hippies don't usually turn into wingers. Though I guess it could happen.
NYMary


Now you're going to tell me that all the other things I learned from Family Ties aren't true.

I am cut adrift, without an anchor...


Gravataran owl in Phoenix's pants might help.


GravatarFrank doesn't have much use for sugar.
Eli

If he drank the coffee I made yesterday morning, he might think again.
God, it was strong and awfull.

My contribution to breakfast.

Melissa is a fucking Pro at over easy eggs, but maybe that's because of the cool pan I bought her.

(testing. People tend to respond when I mention Melissa)

.


Gravataran owl in Phoenix's pants might help.
spinoza


Probably couldn't hurt. Unless the owl got scared...or hungry.


GravatarCrappy CGI helicopter go all splody!

Hurray!

Big scary CGI monster going to eat stupid soldier,


GravatarHeard he's a winger.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat

if so, damn.


GravatarOf course, that's less of a perk in the age of DVDs.

Absolutely.

Don't think Joaquin Phoenix is a rightwing revolutionary. He supported Kucinich.


GravatarI DEMAND a gratuitous babe in her bra scene!

But only if she's a scientist.
NYMary

Would that mean dark rimmed glasses? (slight pant with added heartbeats)


GravatarI recommend Neon Genesis Evangelion to everyone. Also, Princess Mononoke.


GravatarWell, Frank, that there is the shit. What is up with the Dems? Cagey is one thing, which I thought Reid had going for a minute, but somebody has to make some noise about this. It's not like there aren't another 8 or 10 scandals to present after this one becomes old news. The preznit and vice-nitwit are running around avoiding the American peeps like the plague, all the while calling us all traitors. I hope they don't think we're going to be nice to them ever again. "Fuck you, Mr. Cheney.".


GravatarThey capped Freddo. Y'know, an edited for TV, with commercials, cut into parts of parts viewing of "The Godfather" on TV is not really worth it.

That would apply to 'pretty much any film shown on network/cable (excepting IFC and Sundance)'.


GravatarDon't think Joaquin Phoenix is a rightwing revolutionary. He supported Kucinich.
masculine_monica_nyc


I stand corrected.


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