I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!


Where are all you Liberal Elitists?


Watching high-falutin' sci-fi movies?


I caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about.


While I'm up here being monitored by our new domestic spying infrastructure?


Gravatarrep ipsa loquitor-that never fails to put a smile on my lips. Thanks.


Gravatarriery reck, raggy


GravatarI caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about.

Don't worry -- I doubt any of them can tell you what it's about, either. And they've watched the whole thing.


Gravatar I caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about.

There's occasionally a monster. I think it's been onscreen for about 30 seconds total.


GravatarThe last minute of Manticore is the best.
It's almost over.


GravatarSweet Sue ... I aim to please!


GravatarManticopter!


GravatarGot Rich?


GravatarOoo, awesome! Propeller bisection!


GravatarI watched all of Hey dude, where's my car for the first time tonight, and I still have no idea what it was about.


Gravatarbrowster ...

See thread immediately below.


GravatarI quit.

For whatever reason I'm finding nothing entertaining about this movie.

So, anyway...


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GravatarManticopter!
Eli


Tell me when they get to the manties.


GravatarGot Rich?

Next thread down.


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GravatarSsssssh. The Governments is listening.

use the Manti-code.


Gravatarsad, really, b-movies don't have to be crap. you can have a low budget, some cheesy action, and an otherwise entertaining script to redeem it.


GravatarGAME OVER, MAN!!! GAME OVER!!!


GravatarI'm really starting to miss the black helicopter crowd.

Me too, Duncan. Me too.


GravatarI watched all of Hey dude, where's my car for the first time tonight, and I still have no idea what it was about.
Liv Pooleside


It was about something?

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Gravatarsad, really, b-movies don't have to be crap. you can have a low budget, some cheesy action, and an otherwise entertaining script to redeem it.

I like crap movies, but they *should* at least have some action, and the exposition shouldn't be totally long-winded & opaque.


GravatarI *loved* Dude, Where's My Car!

Also Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle.


GravatarI watched all of Hey dude, where's my car for the first time tonight, and I still have no idea what it was about.

I watched all of "Convoy" once. That's an hour and a half of my life that I can never get back.


GravatarHeh, that gag about the tatoos on their backs was pretty funny.

If you like really stupid gags...


Which I do...


Gravatar sad, really, b-movies don't have to be crap. you can have a low budget, some cheesy action, and an otherwise entertaining script to redeem it.

where's the sport in that, old boy?


GravatarI miss the black helicopter crowd, too. Well, maybe not the nazis.


GravatarWalter Pincus from WaPo does decent work, doesn't he?


Gravatarall your fiery wreck are belong to us


GravatarI saw a Libertarian bumpersticker today that said "Enough is Enough: Vote Libertarian."

I really admire their principles.


Gravatarsad, really, b-movies don't have to be crap. you can have a low budget, some cheesy action, and an otherwise entertaining script to redeem it.

This also describes presidential administrations.


GravatarI watched all of "Convoy" once

not like some trucker movie Convoy?


GravatarI am STILL WAITING for a gratuitous babe in her bra scene!

Man, Sci Fi Original Pictures have gone downhill.

They used to be all about the gratuitous babe in her bra scenes!


GravatarI watched all of Hey dude, where's my car for the first time tonight, and I still have no idea what it was about.
Liv Pooleside


I didn't think I'd like it, but I laughed hysterically.


Gravatarnot like some trucker movie Convoy?

That would be the one.


Gravatarall your fiery wreck are belong to us

And I am *one* with the fiery wreck.

(It's Zen, dontcha know.)


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GravatarStoodUpHICA!
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GravatarI like crap movies, but they *should* at least have some action, and the exposition shouldn't be totally long-winded & opaque.
Eli


Speaking of opaque, did you ever listen to "The Saddest Story Ever Told"?


GravatarThe problem with getting a libertarian is that they often have an Ayn Rand doll in their pants.


GravatarThe measure, she said, "removes one of the few existing privacy protections against the creation of secret dossiers on Americans by government intelligence agencies." She said the Pentagon's "intelligence agencies are quietly expanding their domestic presence without any public debate."

Well, the constitution does not guarantee a right to privacy, so those privacy protections are really just add-ons, after the fact.


GravatarThees crowd of Black Helicopters, they were subsumed eento the Republiculo party weeth the election of el Chimperador, no?

Eef I remember corrrectly, David Neiwert had a few posts on just thees topic.

so.


GravatarOuch!

Now I have that stupid Convoy theme song stuck in my head!


GravatarI caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about.


I just got done losing power for 20 minutes and I'm sure I didn't miss anything.


GravatarWell...talk about harshing my buzz...


GravatarBeltran has become somewhat doughy since he left the Federation and enlisted in the Merkin Army...

uh oh -- i think the black dude is about to get manticored...


GravatarMonica_A sez:

not like some trucker movie Convoy?

That's a 10-4, Rubber Duck.


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GravatarNo! Bad wee Iraqi! Bad!


GravatarI guess we should be glad that the FBI's computer system is all fucked up so it'll be hard for the military to get useful info from them.

I really think government incompetence is our last bastion of civil rights.


GravatarEven El Gato is bored.


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GravatarFrom the Pincus article:

Lt. Col. Chris Conway, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said that the most senior Defense Department intelligence officials are aware of the sensitivities related to their expanded domestic activities. At the same time, he said, the Pentagon has to have the intelligence necessary to protect its facilities and personnel at home and abroad.

As long as they are aware of the "sensitivities," I guess there's nothing to worry about.


GravatarIt's El Haji Brian Exposition!


Gravatarhe measure, she said, "removes one of the few existing privacy protections against the creation of secret dossiers on Americans by government intelligence agencies." She said the Pentagon's "intelligence agencies are quietly expanding their domestic presence without any public debate."

Farking fascists. I haveno doubt I'm being spied upon.


GravatarNow I have that stupid Convoy theme song stuck in my head!
Liv Pooleside

I just lit myself on fire in hopes of stopping the torture. Alas, the mighty convoy is still a beautiful sight.


GravatarDude, I totally lost my car in Chi town once. Really. The people I was visting wanted to go home and I wasn't done get. So I dropped them off and went to a cool bar I knew. Problem was there was no parking any where near. Walking to the bar after finally finding a spot I knew I didn't know how to get back to the car and after a few drinks Knew even less.

Took a cab back, and spent the whole next morning walking around the area looking for the car. Carly and Micheal were getting pissed when I saw a street sign and went AH HA! "It's down here!" I said. They reluctantly followed, but there it was!

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GravatarSpeaking of opaque, did you ever listen to "The Saddest Story Ever Told"?

Noooo...


Gravatar"Oh, fucking great, domestic spying by our own military."




This is fucking bullshit!

And they talk about freedom????


Gravatarmanticore: [Middle English manticores, from Latin mantichra, from Greek mantikhras, variant of martiokhras, from Old Iranian *martiya-khvra-, man-eater : *martiya-, man; see mer- in Indo-European Roots + *-khvra-, eater; see swel- in Indo-European Roots.]


GravatarWell, the constitution does not guarantee a right to privacy, so those privacy protections are really just add-ons, after the fact.

Whew! What a relief!

(How did you get to be masculine, BTW? Or should I not ask?)


GravatarNow I have that stupid Convoy theme song stuck in my head!

Sing the Green Beret song. It will help take that Convoy right out of your head.


GravatarGot Rich?

browster...
See thread immediately below.


Mmmm. Delicious. Thank you.


GravatarJeffraham: how goes it? modblog must be well and truly screwed, eh?


GravatarTerry C: And they talk about freedom????

Well, see... 9/11 changed everything.
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GravatarSing the Green Beret song. It will help take that Convoy right out of your head.

hey! dont be mean!


Gravatar Now I have that stupid Convoy theme song stuck in my head!
Liv Pooleside


Yu'll find me in the chartreuse microbus.


GravatarWell, see... 9/11 changed everything.

Like the definition of "Freedom" and "Democracy".


Gravatar Walter Pincus from WaPo does decent work, doesn't he?
Marcia Brady


Yes, but don't tell that dolt Booby Woodward.


GravatarThis fucking article is scary & infuriating.

Good job by Jo Fish.


Gravataryep, "manticored."


Gravatarnow, the b-side of that record, the "A-Team", now thats nasty shit.

dear god.


GravatarSing the Green Beret song. It will help take that Convoy right out of your head.

Toni Basil's "Hey Mickey!" also works for this purpose.


GravatarShit, don't these guys know to put on some manticore repellent before they go overseas?


Gravatar10-4, good buddy!


GravatarFor example, Eagle Eyes is a program set up by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, which "enlists the eyes and ears of Air Force members and citizens in the war on terror," according to the program's Web site.

Support the Troops! They're spying on you!


GravatarEli: Like the definition of "Freedom" and "Democracy".

No -- especially the definitions of "freedom" and "democracy."
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GravatarThe guy who dubs Viggo Mortensen's voice in French sounds exactly like Viggo Mortensen. Rather refreshing.


Gravatarou know, I don't think we're going to have a gratuitous babe in her bra scene.

Sci Fi sold out man, They sold out!


Gravatarokay, so where is all this shit going?

"They" "quietly" do things to take our freedoms and liberties away from us.

We notice. We scream,and (sometimes) stop/checkmate them.

They do it again. We do it again.

They have more resources than we do, but we seem to be more clever with a nickel than they are; temporary stalemate.

Still...they really do have more power at their disposal.

Where are we now? What's going on?

Do we have snowball's chance in hell, or have they overreached only to be stopped by the Average Citizen who is not going to accept rapid change from either direction, right or left...???


GravatarSunny days
Chasing those clouds away

Hmm hm hm .......


GravatarNever trust a bald Iraqi.


GravatarI caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about.

Uh, you know, David Staughton goes for analysis.

Oh, wrong Manticore.


GravatarThe problem with getting a libertarian is that they often have an Ayn Rand doll in their pants.
spinoza

"Do you wanna touch my Doll?"

A mohawk headed Punker said to me as I admired the doll he had strapped to his crotch.

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GravatarThe problem with getting a libertarian is that they often have an Ayn Rand doll in their pants.
spinoza

"Do you wanna touch my Doll?"

A mohawk headed Punker said to me as I admired the doll he had strapped to his crotch.

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Gravatar"Shit, don't these guys know to put on some manticore repellent before they go overseas?"

MantiDeet


Gravatar...and, oh, yeah, I am fully aware that the definitive answers I'd like to have are not there to be had, at all.

But...damn. Y'know??


GravatarToni Basil's "Hey Mickey!" also works for this purpose.

Except Hey Mickey! is vaguely fun.

Barry Sadler is just...ooof.


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Gravatar(How did you get to be masculine, BTW? Or should I not ask?)

I added it a few days ago. Over the past few months, I've noticed that some folks hereabouts snipe about women who "look like men." Figgered I'd give 'em a somewhat familiar, if not regular, target.


GravatarSci Fi sold out man, They sold out!
Chris Tucker


It used to be about the boobs, man!


GravatarAnd fr the record: I have no song going through my head.

Don't ruin that.

You've been warned.


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GravatarI wonder how the wingnuttery will spin this one. They accept torture, stolen elections, fake christian *values* and ripping up the Constitution, so this is no biggie, eh?


Gravatar And fr the record: I have no song going through my head.

Don't ruin that.

You've been warned.


I'm... sail-ing... away...


GravatarBallad of the Green Berets. Hey.
SSgt. Barry Sadler self inflicted a .45 bullet in the back of a taxi in some Central American country back in the 90's.


GravatarI have no song going through my head.


Meow meow meow meow...


GravatarJust caught my first Lexus commercial of the "season" where the husband gives his wife a new $50,000.00 SUV for a present.
Anyone here have a relative or neighbor that's done that recently?


GravatarJust when you think the US administration can't do anything more insane, they do. You people are soon going to be across the point of no return. Or at least it'll take a generation to get things undone and back to "normal". Scary.


Gravatarnick carraway: Jeffraham: how goes it? modblog must be well and truly screwed, eh?

Yep, Modblog has gone to it's Great Reward, I suspect. it's been FUBAR for months, but it's been over a week since ANY access to it has been possible. Feh -- I just post videos of my cat, anyway.
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GravatarWho's the freak that thought up that "baloon dog" promo for Sci Fi?

Tres Creepy!


GravatarDo we have snowball's chance in hell, or have they overreached only to be stopped by the Average Citizen who is not going to accept rapid change from either direction, right or left...???

I don't think the citizenry will stop the regime. I think the CIA might -- if they get something out of it, like, say, the "right" to spy on anyone they choose.

I think the regime will be taken down only by others in the ruling class.


Gravatar The problem with getting a libertarian is that they often have an Ayn Rand doll in their pants.
spinoza


They are full of shit. They've yet to articulate anything worth acepting as a genuine platform. Just saying "get off my back" hardly makes a viable party.


GravatarI'm... sail-ing... away...

Nah.

I kinda like that one.

Hey! I'm a child of the 70's!


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GravatarIt seems reasonable now to believe that maybe things will change and sane people will come back into government.

But what bothers me is how are we going to be able to identify and remove all the darkness these guys have put into place.

Are all these people participating in things like domestic spying doing so under orders? Will they step back when a saner administration is in place/


Gravatar I caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about.



Aww, it's easy. A bunch of soldiers stuck in the desert being attacked by some bad CGI.

There is no hot science babe though.


And that sucks ass.


GravatarIt's really a bad sign when an administration starts getting all security-conscious: it means they're screwing up and hate for people to know about it.
It's a clear indication they need to be voted out. You don't even have to know what they're up to. Efforts at coverup = bad management. Ergo, etc.


GravatarMeow meow meow meow...

BlakNo1 might very well be the bastard of the night.


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GravatarPlace your bets! Nighthawk VS. Manticore!


Gravatar"I caught the last 35 mins. or so of Manticore and I still have no idea what it's about."

Judith and the Beast


GravatarAre all these people participating in things like domestic spying doing so under orders? Will they step back when a saner administration is in place/


I don't think so.

Be VERY afraid. The pentagon and the Air Force is completely riddled with fundies. They think we deserve to be spied on.

I think I wish I had a manticore to unleash on their evil asses.


Gravatar(lets forth demonic cackle)


Gravatar Just caught my first Lexus commercial of the "season" where the husband gives his wife a new $50,000.00 SUV for a present.

Hahahahaha. I'd hate to arrested for murder on Xmas day.


GravatarBreasted sheets.


Gravatar It seems reasonable now to believe that maybe things will change and sane people will come back into government.

But what bothers me is how are we going to be able to identify and remove all the darkness these guys have put into place.


Here's what worries me: That we settle into a cycle of 8-12 years of Republicans fucking things up epically, followed by 4 years of a Democrat getting blamed for the mess, followed by another 8-12 years of Republican mayhem.

There's no way we'd be able to gain ground, and we'd be Argentina within 25-50 years. Or 10.


GravatarJust caught my first Lexus commercial of the "season" where the husband gives his wife a new $50,000.00 SUV for a present.
Anyone here have a relative or neighbor that's done that recently?



I hate those fucking commercials.


GravatarI love my neighbors, they are so cool to us, but WTF are their dogs barking at? Why does the one get out of their fenced yard and come into OUR house and knock over our trash if I leave the door open for Zoe.
And why is one of Melissa's shoes in the middle of their backyard?

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GravatarOver the past few months, I've noticed that some folks hereabouts snipe about women who "look like men." Figgered I'd give 'em a somewhat familiar, if not regular, target.

Thanks for the explanation. I was going to try to link to a picture of "The Lovely Bridget" from Fatty Drives the Bus, with her bouffant hairdo and five o'clock shadow, but I can't find a pic online. Perhaps Eli can help.


Gravataragave,
You live next door to the Bumpises?


GravatarBeing a leftie who isn't afraid to espouse conspiracy theories, I chose the blog name "Old Fashioned Patriot" because I wanted to mark a spot in the sands of time. The time when Americans gave up the ideals of the Declaration of Independence in exchange for safety from swarthy men who said, "Allah."

I realized many liberals would be afraid to link to me because of my blog name but I decided it was an important point to make. Before the PATRIOT Act passed, we didn't care if you carried an almanac or took pictures of bridges. Sadly, since then, it has made you a "person of interest". Just ask the guy caught reading "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in a cafe what a chilling effect a visit from the FBI can have.


GravatarBe VERY afraid. The pentagon and the Air Force is completely riddled with fundies. They think we deserve to be spied on.

Excellent point, fourleggers. The fundies feel they need to lead to world to their twisted view of Christianity and stack the courts with their Mullahs as it is. Imagine giving those freaks more power. Whew!


GravatarI'm really starting to miss the black helicopter crowd.

Somewhere in a cave in Montana, a grizzled head nods sagely in the flickery blue glow of a laptop drawing the last ergs from the solar array hidden in the scrub on the hilltop.
The sounds of a gravelly voice, "Told ya so", the pulltab of a beer can, and teeth taering the cover off of tomight's MRE. "Didn't we, boys?". But everyone is asleep. It's been a long, hard day in the Heartland...


Gravatarthey nuked the village?


GravatarImagine giving those freaks more power. Whew!


That's the whole point.


GravatarManticore puke bukkake!


GravatarEli

I don't think the Republicans will be in control much longer. One thing we all need to do is make sure as the bad is discovered, that we keep the history alive.

But face it, I am not worried about the "Republicans". I am concerned about those elements that have co-opted the party. They will find another venue. As note by 4LG, some of the fundies have had some impact just upon the AF Academy alone.

These groups are the true subversives in this country.

It is sad to me to see this. The military has a long history of keeping the lines drawn and in place. They are letting themselves be pulled into the ruination of what they are supposed to defend.


GravatarWTF are their dogs barking at?

My landlord illegally rents apartments in this building to short-term tenants. One of these illegal guests has a yippity little dog that barks when anyone is on the stairs [this is a walk-up building]. Not the dog's fault, surely, but it pisses me off to hear that fucking yapping as I'm walking up the stairs to my legal fucking rental apartment.


GravatarWatching high-falutin' sci-fi movies?
res ipsa loquitur


Judging by the comments, low-to-medium falutin' at best. Every onst in a while, I get the urge to call DirecTV, so's I can join in. Then there comes a clinker or two, and I think of all the money I'm saving...


GravatarFunneee
Via PZM


GravatarI think the regime will be taken down only by others in the ruling class.
masculine_monica_nyc

Dammit, why do I always forget that part.....yer right, m_m_nyc


GravatarThe time when Americans gave up the ideals of the Declaration of Independence in exchange for safety from swarthy men who said, "Allah."

That never happened. The loonies in the GOP made a power grab in the NAME of security from Islamic fanatics. They never made us safer or even tried. All an illusion.


GravatarCIFA regularly looks at Jesus' General and has been doing so for over a year.


Gravatar"Welcome to Germany, 1933"

Uh oh, prepare for another 3 week Atrios Hitler/Nazi binge.


GravatarYay! Patriotboy!

Please come upstairs to the titty bar.


GravatarI'm really starting to miss the black helicopter crowd.

Yeah, about that. Those kooks were all paranoid about black helicopters when it was the UN spying on them and plotting to take over. Now that it's Republicans...that's somehow okay with them, I guess. I suppose they think they'll be overlooked somehow this time, because, you know, they "haven't done anything wrong."


GravatarIs it 'nazi' when the government has contracted the ADL and SPLC to do this work?
The going opinion is that Finkle-s and -Bergs can't be 'nazi'.


GravatarDave Matthews, WKNO.ORG (PBS)


GravatarPlease come upstairs to the titty bar.

I will in a bit. I promised Ofjoshua that I'd clean up after dinner. She's a little pissed off at me for being on the computer right now.


Gravatarcog- short for cognitive dissonance...

cog has yet to sign up for battle...


GravatarMon General,

This must be an honest mistake, their French Translators perhaps have become fans of your site.

Perhaps they should rendered?


GravatarSo true, bigvic, they didn't make us safer but they managed to make Americans willingly give up freedom. How fucked up is that?


Gravatari gotta say, it's the mildly obscure references that reward the reader who's paying attention that keep me coming back for more.

somehow i don't think ann althouse is going to come to your rescue.


GravatarWhoops that link is now dead. Here's one that works.

A lot of people have a hard time deciding what is satire and what isn't on my site. This is real. CIFA has been monitoring Jesus' General since at least the Spring of 2004. Yes, it's rediculous, but our gov't is rediculous.

As I note in a post tonight, I think they may have started monitoring because I faxed the gov't of Ian, asking them to fix a pothole in front of my house--it was a satirical post about Chalabi.


Gravatarremember Jesus' General reported being monitored by CIFA in July 2004?

here's a current (11/26) post on the subject from Gen. Christian.


Gravatarhi

i don't get it. i thought you folks knew things.

the state has been spying on the populace for decades. goes back at least 100 years ago.

and i would submit , even back into the lincoln era. probably even earlier.

just a word, if you ever think the state isn't trying to spy on you, you would be a fool.

you use a credit card? you pay by checks? you have a bank account? a brokerage account? pay taxes? use a phone? drive a car? use the internet?

if so, you are being monitored. and your tax dollars are paying for that monitoring.

oh, it may not be done yet as exhaustively as it could be done. but give the state some more time. and some more of your tax dollars. the patriot act2 will allow them to do things to you and your privacy that you may not recognize yet.

oh, and by the way, this invasion of your privacy is a bipartisan theater of totalitarianism. demtillians are as favoring of total state scrutiny of the electorate as reptillians.

i am going to say it again....there is no ballot box that is going to allow you to suspend this race for tyranny. that day is over.

lamentably, a democratic republic will be restored now by force of arms only.

the only terrorists i recognize wear uniforms[usmc, usa, usaf, usn]. their controllers sit in the corridors of power. wear suits. have never worn a uniform.


GravatarThe NYPD and the CIA:

From Newsday, Nov. 11
By Leonard Levitt
Few in the NYPD know Lawrence H. Sanchez. He is listed on page 6 of the 2005 police roster as an assistant commissioner under David Cohen, the deputy commissioner of intelligence.

Like Cohen, Sanchez is a former CIA man with an interesting resume: a degree in geophysics, a power-lifter and boxing titlist, fluent in Russian and Portuguese. He joined the agency in 1984 and is considered an expert in matters of nuclear proliferation.

But in the post-9/11, super-duper-secret, terrorism-related world, this reporter could not determine what Sanchez does in the NYPD. He joined the department a year ago, earns $135,000, is said to wear an earring and turns out of the Intelligence Division's secret West Side redoubt.

Less secret is the relationship NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly is formalizing with the CIA. That relationship goes back at least two decades, says an NYPD official, when the agency informally approached former police commissioner Ben Ward, seeking Spanish-speaking detectives to infiltrate the FALN, a Puerto Rican terrorist group. Some joined the agency, says the official. But, he added, their trail has gone cold. Now, department sources say the NYPD and the CIA have initialed a formal memorandum of understanding.

But in the super-duper-secret, terrorism-related world, this reporter could find no one in the NYPD, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security or the CIA who could confirm this or explain what this memorandum refers to.

Theories abound. One holds that the memorandum applies to informants, both overseas or domestic, and is a way of protecting the CIA, which is prohibited by law from spying domestically. Another is that the memorandum delineates information shared with the agency that the NYPD gathers as its Arabic-speaking recruits troll Internet sites, searching out jihadists.

A third holds that the CIA relationship allows Kelly to bypass the NYPD's current information-sharing mechanism - the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force. Still, others note that relations between Kelly and the bureau have recently improved under Mark Mershon, the new head of the FBI's New York office.

The thing all law enforcement officials contacted by Newsday agree on is Kelly's motivation: control - absolute control.


GravatarHow times change. While our ruling party is working from Hermann Goering's playbook, we count on the Germans to protect our civil liberties. (you're not posting bareassed, are you? with Bushist fascist eyes peeled everywhere?!)


GravatarOh, fucking great, domestic spying by our own military.

And this surprises you, how?


Not to worry however. If they were as incompetent and far behind in reading the 911 postings as Sybel Edmunds and others claim; They'll be warning Shrub he's in trouble domestically about six months after he's been impeached.


GravatarI'd say the snotty "and this surprises you ignorant fools?" comments -- of which I've seen hundreds and hundreds over the years I've been reading news blogs, almost entirely directed to posters who are not in fact expressing "surprise" -- are some of my least favorite.

The Downing Street Minutes is "old news," everybody knows the CIA used torture in Latin America -- so let's just shut up, not talk about it at all, yawn, yawn, yawn, to demonstrate how un-naive we are.

And somehow -- God knows how -- maybe if there was a God he could miraculously make it happen -- all the ignorant Americans will somehow become informed about what the government is doing in their name.

right? right...... that'll work great.


GravatarIt happened in the 60's too. Organizers discovered years later after doing an FOIA request, that they'd been monitored way more than they thought.

I've helped organize anti-war demos that drew 200,000 people. It's not paranoia to assume you might be of interest to some.

So, be aware of it and move on.


GravatarWhat else is a corrupt regime to do? With the polls suggesting that only 28% approve of Bu$hCo, they HAVE to try to discredit anyone that don't like 'em-


GravatarWhile I certainly agree with the posters here who've said that the intelligence apparatus of the US Govt has been spying on US citizens long before 9/11, I have to say that since 'w' came to power this activity has really gone into overdrive. While the CIA, FBI and other assorted 'spooks' have always collected information on 'people of interest'; they never had these activities legitimized openly by legislation, nor did they have the means to truly work with the vast amount of information that even the lowliest of americans leaves behind. In recent times the ability to collect, coallate, categorize, cross-reference, sort and identify all manner of personal minutia (from credit card bills to blogposts) has developed in unprecedented ways. Unchecked, this could lead us down the road to open totalitarianism much faster than many of us are even cognizant of.

Along these same lines, I recenly posted to my modest little spot on msn spaces a timeline drawing parallels between the events that led up to the Nazi rise to power and the enactment of the USA Patriot ACT. This, in an attempt to illustrate obvious commonalities as well as the uses such provisions ultimately come to. Read it here if you like:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ch...eKW_Q! 208.entry

-cD


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