I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarMurtha!


GravatarTitties!


Gravatargobs of fat with a little nozzle...


Gravatarbar=bra?


GravatarRepublicans are hypocrites?

I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!


GravatarWhat Central Scrutinizer said!


GravatarHow is a high-end titty different from the consumer grade stuff?


Gravatarwhere's woot when you need him?


GravatarAfter he was caught by police in 1996 getting a blow job from a prostitute while driving a company Mercedes

Now that's just dangerous.


GravatarCorrection - it was a .380 Barretta and it was Guatemala where SSgt. Barry Sadler left the planet. Some say it was murder for a robbery. Some say a little senorita did him in.


GravatarDidn't this all come out pre-election, esp. the Baltimore blow job arrest? That's about when Atrios began posting Sinclair stock values.


GravatarAs much as I love 'em, I won't pay to see 'em.

Apparently, David Smith doesn't have that problem.

Whoremonger!


GravatarThe dancers are named after more expensive liquor


GravatarCorrection - it was a .380 Barretta and it was Guatemala

Was it a green barretta?


GravatarHe’s always getting the private upstairs rooms, champagne, the works."


Heeeooh! No sex in the champagne room!


GravatarThe dancers are named after more expensive liquor
lavalamp


No Blue Nuns there, I guess...


GravatarWhere's Sinclair Frist when we need 'im?
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Gravatarba-da-bing.


GravatarAfter he was caught by police in 1996 getting a blow job from a prostitute while driving a company Mercedes.

We're they wearing their seatbelts?


Gravatar[Has anyone seen Ripley lately?]


GravatarI've been to strip clubs. I've yet to go to one in Gnashvegas, though -- and I've lived here about 11 years now. I guess I grew out of it.

Ladyfriend says she wants me to take her to one. Any local recommendations?
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GravatarI ruined a perfectly good joke. Were...Were...Were...Dammit!


Gravatar“He’s a whoremonger. A real whoremonger. He loves the titty bars. The only people he likes go to the titty bars with him. Those are the only people he trusts. He also goes out to Vegas all the time. He goes to the high-end titty bars. He’s always getting the private upstairs rooms, champagne, the works."

Who refers to strip joints as "titty bars"?


GravatarI missed DCMedia Girl.

Really.


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GravatarWhere's Larry Flynt with a camera when you need him?


GravatarNo one goes to Hooters for wings.


GravatarOh kewl!!


The annoying correspondent got eaten.

Excellent.


As for titty bars, being a poor democrat, champagne rooms are beyond my budget.


GravatarWho refers to strip joints as "titty bars"?


You'd be surprised.


GravatarWho refers to strip joints as "titty bars"?
masculine_monica_nyc


And who uses the term "whoremonger?" Other than the performers at the Renaissance Faires.


Gravatar How is a high-end titty different from the consumer grade stuff?
tubino


If you have to ask, you'll never know.


GravatarWait... Painkiller Jane? Wasn't she a Hellboy character?


GravatarWhere's Larry Flynt with a camera when you need him?
Eli


Um, at his publishing company?


GravatarLadyfriend says she wants me to take her to one. Any local recommendations?
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Jeffraham Prestonian


Odd huh?
I have no use for the places.

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GravatarTo drag-up a joke from the lower thread:

Only watertiger knows the tune that upsets me so.

An' she ain't araound.

So there.


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GravatarI usually call them nudie bars after the married with children episode:


Where the music stinks, and they water the drinks, the nudie bar.
Where the girlies dance in their underpants, the nudie bar.
Where you see their butt, and their trap stays shut,
at the nudie bar.

Where you can't touch a breast, but you can cave in a chest,
at the nudie bar.
Where you look at a thigh, and blacken an eye, at the nudie bar.
Where the beer gives you gas, but the Bundys kick ass,
...at the nudie bar.


GravatarIt is difficult, being a live and let live kind of person, to condemn anyone for behavior that takes place between consenting adults. Maybe even impossible.

However, when hypocrites take aim at pretty decent folks for dosagreeing w/them, well....

However, I'm beginning to think the word "hypocrite" is not adequate - or that we are expecting too much of our fellow United Statesians.

Maybe we need to simplify, as in, state what a sanctimoniious wing nut has just done (been arrested/indicted/convincted/imprisoned for), then contrast it with their earlier holier-than-thou statements of record.

Don;t rely on the simple and single word "hypocrite" to get the job done.

Color in the picture.


GravatarUm, at his publishing company?

He loooooves to expose Republican sexual hypocrites, though.


Gravatarah, once again the line comes into play:

those who scream the loudest about "family values" are the ones who don't have any.


GravatarLadyfriend says she wants me to take her to one. Any local recommendations?


Why?


GravatarJeffraham,

The only time I was in a strip club was 28 years ago, and the girl that was "dancing" attacked me (physically) because some jerk-off behind me flipped a quarter on the stage and she thought it was my doings.

It was the only time in my life that I wasn't happy to have breasts thrust in my face,


GravatarWhere the beer gives you gas, but the Bundys kick ass, ...at the nudie bar.

(backing away slowly...)


Gravataroh, we already have a superlative for "hypocrite"

It's simply "Republican."


Gravatar(backing away slowly...)

Right behind ya.


GravatarWhere you can't touch a breast, but you can cave in a chest,
at the nudie bar.
Where you look at a thigh, and blacken an eye, at the nudie bar.
Where the beer gives you gas, but the Bundys kick ass,
...at the nudie bar.



That's hilarious.

I never saw that episode. Anyhoo, they're not all "nudie."


GravatarI once went to see male strippers. It was anthropologically interesting, though not sexy in the least. They had no body hair and were quite oily.

Of course, I don't make a living shoving my conservative ideology down other people's throats.


Gravatari never understood the "Buffet" at a titty bar. Who wants to eat from a open buffet?


Gravataroh, we already have a superlative for "hypocrite"

It's simply "Republican."



That's true.


those guys are all freaks.


GravatarNo one goes to Hooters for wings.
BlakNo1

And every time I've been to one it was the Ladys idea! Even work related gatherings.

(hmmm, I might have been missing something)

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Gravataragave: Odd huh?
I have no use for the places.


It just seems to me that live porn is the very least value for the money going -- all it does is remind me that it's all play-acting, and the fantasies are too easily interrupted by the bad acting, in itself. Feh! Vive le Innernets!
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GravatarIt was the only time in my life that I wasn't happy to have breasts thrust in my face

Thus far anyway


GravatarNo one goes to Hooters for wings.

Huh. Out on the Interstate the Hooters™: says: "Come in for hot wings and long legs."

[n.b. I've never been in a Starbucks or Hooters.}


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GravatarHow is a high-end titty different from the consumer grade stuff?
tubino


Better silicone.


Gravatari never understood the "Buffet" at a titty bar. Who wants to eat from a open buffet?


The same guys who think the dancers actually "want" them.


Gravatarthese people are broken.


GravatarUh oh.

The bad bald iraqi survived.


GravatarBTW, y'all I have seen the (upcoming)Dog Soldiers flick and it is actually pretty clever -- in a British troops on manuevers in Sherwood Forest end up battling giant werewolves - kind of way.


Gravatari never understood the "Buffet" at a titty bar. Who wants to eat from a open buffet?

Oh, you don't want to fill up, but just take a nipple or two.


GravatarUh OHHHHH!!

The manticore lives!!


Gravatarfour legs good: Why?

A question only the ladyfriend could answer. The most I've heard so far is, "It sounds like fun."
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GravatarJeffraham Prestonian

Vive le Innernets!



free and hard core!

As much or little as you please.

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GravatarOh, you don't want to fill up, but just take a nipple or two.

I do like breastmeat. Thighs, too.


GravatarThe most I've heard so far is, "It sounds like fun."


It's boring and expensive.


GravatarSleep...


GravatarGah. If I'm bad and die and go to Hell it will be an eternal tittie bar filled with GOP execs and lobbyists. The drinks will be expensive and watered down and so will the strippers. And Jack Abramoff will corner me for a conversation lasting a thousand years about his Innermost Thoughts.


Gravatarsmoke & mirrors, just smoke & mirrors...


Gravatar How is a high-end titty different from the consumer grade stuff?


Better plastic surguens.


GravatarI knew I was cynical for a reason...


GravatarThe same guys who think the dancers actually "want" them.
four legs good


And if the women don't want them, they're obviously lesbians.


GravatarAnyone else having to refresh 2 or 3 times to get Blogspot to cough up the latest post? Or the latest 3 or 4 posts? That's one of the reasons I caboose so many threads. Anyway...

Funneee. Via PZM


GravatarAnd Jack Abramoff will corner me for a conversation lasting a thousand years about his Innermost Thoughts.

And then he'll try to sell you a time-share.


GravatarI do like breastmeat. Thighs, too.
Eli


Now I'm hungry again. I wonder if there's any ice cream...


GravatarThe same guys who think the dancers actually "want" them.
four legs good



Yup!
And pour money out like idiots.

Stupidity.

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Gravatarfour legs good: It's boring and expensive.

As I've tried to explain to her, but she's not having that.

Honestly, my first excursions into said establishments were on the outskirts of Huntington, WV, when I was but a pup, and they used to routinely have live female masturbation acts on stage, etc. To a 19-year old, that's not boring.
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Gravatar
And if the women don't want them, they're obviously lesbians.


Or the Pope.

You know how you can tell if the Pope is in a titty bar? By his giant hat.


GravatarHow is a high-end titty different from the consumer grade stuff?


The high end stuff has an aroma of chestnuts and wild mushrooms with a hint of strawberry at the finish.


GravatarWhy does the doggie with wings purr?


GravatarThe same guys who think the dancers actually "want" them.
four legs good

And if the women don't want them, they're obviously lesbians.
Marcia Brady ∞


Pretty sure that's true of all women, for these guys. From strippers to that girl on the bus.


GravatarYou know how you can tell if the Pope is in a titty bar? By his giant hat.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


GravatarNow I'm hungry again. I wonder if there's any ice cream...

I used to carry around jolly ranchers in high school. Was very entertaining when girls would ask me if I had anything hard for them to suck on...


GravatarA question only the ladyfriend could answer. The most I've heard so far is, "It sounds like fun."
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Jeffraham Prestonian


Maybe she wants you to ask her to dance. Or for you to perform. Or to see what you like, visually speaking.


Gravataroh, we already have a superlative for "hypocrite"

It's simply "Republican."
Atrios

It is, though, a pretty universal failing. Just currently more in the hands of the fundie rethugs than others.


GravatarI presume that the BMW 7-series parked outside the local titty bar belongs to the owner. It's right next to the carpet showroom with Bible verses on the sign.

Oh, the American south. Herself used to live near the infamous Gold Club in Atlanta, and only a little way away from Buckhead's other, um, adult entertainment venues.


GravatarHahahahahahaha. SHOW US YOUR TITS!


GravatarTitty bars in Balmer?

Sounds like John Waters!

"I hear they're showing full bush!" Pecker


Gravatar"It sounds like fun"

That is the amateur viewpoint... the Latest Thing in Bachelor/Bachelorette parties is for everybody involved & their 107 closest friends to load up in a bus and make a circuit of the various fleshpots... & it always seems the wildest women in the joint are the bachelorettes.


GravatarIt's boring and expensive.

Seeing a Patpong upstairs show at the age of 18 was enough to prove that point. (We were, um, taken there.) The tuk-tuk ride back to the hotel was much more exciting.


GravatarWas very entertaining when girls would ask me if I had anything hard for them to suck on...
Eli


So very, very clueless.


GravatarSo, to recap:

The "Manticore" pitch. "Three Kings" meets "Ghostbusters"?


Gravatar“That was the time he got caught,” says one. “He’s a whoremonger. A real whoremonger. He loves the titty bars.

Hahahahahhaha. Flippin' nuts.


GravatarSinclair Broadcasting...


GravatarMonths before a University of Kansas religion course is even taught, its title has riled some who say the school is acting the spoil sport in the evolution debate.

The course, “Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies,” will be offered next semester. The goal, university officials say, is to open students up to the many cross-cultural stories of how the world was created.

Those in the intelligent design camp believe it is just KU’s way of degrading the concept…

“All of a sudden, just from the title, intelligent design is being put in there with mythology,” said Bruce Simat, an associate biology professor at Minnesota’s Northwestern College, who testified on behalf of intelligent design at Kansas hearings in May.

“I think it’s reactionary. I think it’s defensive. I think they are unwilling to study intelligent design head-on.”

He thinks it's reactionary.

Someone buy that man a lapdance.


Gravataras i said earlier, Dog Soldiers is not too shabby a B flick...


GravatarAll this sudden talk about tits...I sholud have kept watching.

Damn.


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GravatarWhy does the doggie with wings purr?
watertiger


This is a philosophical question, right?


GravatarMarcia Brady ∞: Maybe she wants you to ask her to dance. Or for you to perform. Or to see what you like, visually speaking.

I kinda doubt that's it -- after all, I told her it wasn't at all about the dancing, but the nekkid.

Men are easy, visually. Way too easy. Most women know this (and I would expext any woman married to one for any time would certainly know this).
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GravatarI can spell...I promise.


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GravatarOk, I will have to admit at having a good time at a strip club.

A girl I was seeing wanted to go for her b-day. There was a very attractive dancer. I went to her and asked if she did lap dances for women. Ofcourse, she said, private or at the table?

Anyway it was nice.

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GravatarMeanwhile, you know democracy lives in a country that has a party called Plaid Cymru. (They once formed a coalition with Paisley Cthulu)

Walker's World: New crisis for Blair's War

By MARTIN WALKER
UPI Editor

WASHINGTON, Nov. 23 (UPI) -- This will not be a happy Thanksgiving for President George Bush, but he need just look across the Atlantic to know it could be worse. His only reliable ally, Britain's Tony Blair, now seems to be facing the full-scale parliamentary inquiry into the Iraq war -- its justification, conduct and aftermath -- that Bush has been able to avoid.

Leading opposition figures from the Conservative, Liberal-Democratic, Scottish National and Plaid Cymru (Welsh) parties have banded together to back the cross-party motion titled "Conduct of Government policy in relation to the war against Iraq" to demand that the case for an inquiry be debated in the House of Commons. They seem assured of the 200 signatures required to get such a debate -- and then the loyalty of Blair's dismayed and disillusioned Labor members of Parliament will be sorely tested.

"This apparently modest motion may be the iceberg toward which Blair's Titanic is sailing," said Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond.

Labor Party rebels have already inflicted one unprecedented defeat on Blair in this parliamentary session, and on the issue of Iraq, he commands little confidence. One leading Labor rebel, Alan Simpson, MP for Nottingham, has already signed on to the motion.

It reads: "This House believes there should be a select committee of seven Members, being Members of Her Majesty's Privy Council, to review the way in which the responsibilities of government were discharged in relation to Iraq and all matters relevant thereto in the period leading up to military action in that country in March, 2003 and in its aftermath."


Gravatar after all, I told her it wasn't at all about the dancing, but the nekkid.
Jeffraham Prestonian


No, I meant maybe she wants you to want her to dance for you.

And to see if you watch the girls with the big boobs, or the long legs, or the red hair. That sort of thing.


Gravatar Ok, I will have to admit at having a good time at a strip club.

A girl I was seeing wanted to go for her b-day.


Sounds like a pretty open-minded girlfriend.


Gravatarthose who scream the loudest about "family values" are the ones who don't have any.

Never have and never will. What a tired old story. How many times will we ignore the history of fundie madness?


GravatarHonestly, I think we expect both way too much and far too little of sex.


GravatarMen are easy, visually. Way too easy. Most women know this (and I would expext any woman married to one for any time would certainly know this).
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Jeffraham Prestonian


Wise words.
One reason I'm so contented.
Women twice my loved ones age don't seem to get so many things she does.

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GravatarAnd to see if you watch the girls with the big boobs, or the long legs, or the red hair. That sort of thing.

Maybe she just wants to see nekkid girls.


GravatarOk, I will have to admit at having a good time at a strip club.

I have too. But we're not shills for Sinclair Broadcasting and Mark Hyman.

Having launched his career selling pornographic videos in Baltimore’s red-light district during the 1970s, Smith has apparently spent the past thirty years refining that passion.

Going to high-end strip clubs is the refined passion of a low-end porn-peddler?


GravatarJeffraham Prestonian

Vive le Innernets!

Vivent les Innernets
Sorry. Grammar and all that. I am a dullard.


GravatarYou know how you can tell if the Pope is in a titty bar? By his giant hat.

He's the one in the corner slapping the Bishop.


GravatarMarcia Brady ∞: No, I meant maybe she wants you to want her to dance for you.

Right -- but again, I think it's clear that it's not my thang, so to speak. She has a bit of exhibitionism in her (she danced on the bar at a downtown watering hole a while back, much to everyone's delight), but she knows that's not a requisite turn-on for me, personally -- how else would you explain that I've been here 11 years and not gone into a strip club...?
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And to see if you watch the girls with the big boobs, or the long legs, or the red hair. That sort of thing.

If a woman's naked, chances are good I will look at her. That would not be a good test!
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GravatarMaybe she just wants to see nekkid girls.
Central Scrutinizer


Then there's that.


GravatarHonestly, I think we expect both way too much and far too little of sex.
Sarah Deere



hmmmm.


GravatarDoozer,

I've always thought it was sanding the Bishop.


GravatarIf a woman's naked, chances are good I will look at her. That would not be a good test!
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Jeffraham Prestonian


I was just trying to imagine why I would want to go to a strip club with a man. I think it would be interesting to see where the most attention is paid. I think it's interesting what people find attractive, because often it isn't what I'd expect.


GravatarI knew a woman who worked at a strip club for several years. She told me that she and roughly 99% of the women who worked there: 1) had some form of abuse history; 2) despised men in general (see 1); and 3) while dancing thought about two things- how much they hated the guys in front of them and how much money they were parting from them. So there's that.


GravatarWhy bother with the stories of this guy attending titty bars?
Pictures. Video tape. Audio recordings.
Get the shit that can be placed on news staions. Go public with it. Give the public the details. Throw it into the faces of the Falwells and Robertsons. Get them to go on record as decrying the bastard. Make them work for us for a change.

MYOB'
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Gravatarhey, is Cooper the same actor who plays Varenus in Rome?


GravatarI was just trying to imagine why I would want to go to a strip club with a man. I think it would be interesting to see where the most attention is paid. I think it's interesting what people find attractive, because often it isn't what I'd expect.

Why would anyone *need* to go to a strip club with Marcia?


GravatarJeffraham Prestonian

take her to The Flaming Cave Lounge & Motor Lodge right outside of Highpoint NC.
thats where me & my ol' lady used to dance. they'd throw quarters @ us & we'd do another number...


GravatarJane Hamsher at FDL: Thanks, Murtha. Joe Will Take It From Here.

When John Murtha went up like a trial balloon last week, Joltin' Joe Biden "wasn't there yet," 'cos God forbid someone says Joe Can't Do War. Then Jean Schmidt went over like Schiavo, Joe stuck his finger in the air and felt the wind shifting, and just in time for the Sunday morning chat shows he writes in the WaPo that he wants a timetable for withdrawal. Can someone count the number of times Colonial Joe talks about preserving "our interests" in Iraq? Hell, what's a few more dead bodies in the wake of the juggernaut that is Biden 2008.

Hey Joe? When people say they don't think Democrats stand for anything, they're talking about you.


Gravatar hey, is Cooper the same actor who plays Varenus in Rome?

Kevin McKidd. Who's Cooper?


GravatarI knew a woman who worked at a strip club for several years. She told me that she and roughly 99% of the women who worked there: 1) had some form of abuse history; 2) despised men in general (see 1); and 3) while dancing thought about two things- how much they hated the guys in front of them and how much money they were parting from them. So there's that.

Oh, with me, they'd feel different.


GravatarHis only reliable ally, Britain's Tony Blair, now seems to be facing the full-scale parliamentary inquiry into the Iraq war -- its justification, conduct and aftermath -- that Bush has been able to avoid.


Bwa HA HA HA HHA HAHAH HAHA AHA!!

That's what Blair gets for being a fundie, syncophant asshole.


GravatarMarcia Brady ∞: I was just trying to imagine why I would want to go to a strip club with a man. I think it would be interesting to see where the most attention is paid. I think it's interesting what people find attractive, because often it isn't what I'd expect.

I suspect that some man in her past found strip clubs and/or stripping, etc., very much of a turn-on, and perhaps she thinks it is so for the rest of us. I'm kinda neutral about it, really -- which probably makes me an oddball, but again, I kinda associate that behavior with acting, and where intimacy is concerned, I tend to not be attracted to things not genuine.
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GravatarKevin McKidd. Who's Cooper?


He's a character in this Dog Soldiers movie.


Werewolves in the scottish highlands. Cool!!


GravatarI knew a woman who worked at a strip club for several years. She told me that she and roughly 99% of the women who worked there: 1) had some form of abuse history; 2) despised men in general (see 1); and 3) while dancing thought about two things- how much they hated the guys in front of them and how much money they were parting from them. So there's that.

I've known lots of strippers. None of them were like that.

Most of them just liked the easy, easy money and the flexibility of the job.


GravatarWhy would anyone *need* to go to a strip club with Marcia?
Eli


Now you're just being cute.


GravatarHe's a character in this Dog Soldiers movie.

In that case, yes.


GravatarI used to date male strippers. I found them quite nice and down to earth, but maybe I was just lucky.

I met one while rock climbing, the other was in a coffee shop.


GravatarYes, Kevin McKidd is in Dog Soldiers. I love him.


GravatarI knew a woman who worked at a strip club for several years.

I know many women who have worked or do work in strip clubs or elsewhere in the indusstry. They have different reasons for and opinions about doing so. An interesting movie about one part of the industry is Live Nude Girls Unite!.


GravatarOh, with me, they'd feel different.
Thers


And you know how you'd know? They'd call you honey, or baby, or stud.

So I would imagine.


Gravataroh, when it comes to strip clubs/porn one probably shouldn't necessarily interpret what people look at the most as what they really find the most attractive. there's a circus/freak show element to a lot of it. In my college days I had no desire to visit the nudie bar when "BUSTY GGGGGGG" or whatever the name of the woman with the silcon tanks on her chest was when she arrived. Many of my friends did, but I don't think it was because she represented their ideal woman.


GravatarSo there's that.
JeffCO


Yep.

A woman I know fits that to a T. Physical, sexual, mental abuse. She told me about watching her mother shoot her father in the legs to prevent him from getting out of the truck that she'd just set afire.

Gawd.


GravatarWhy would anyone *need* to go to a strip club with Marcia?
Eli

How much do we really *need*, and what would be just nice, for a change, or just for stupid fun?

(I know what ur saying, tho)

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GravatarWhy would anyone *need* to go to a strip club with Marcia?
Eli

How much do we really *need*, and what would be just nice, for a change, or just for stupid fun?

(I know what ur saying, tho)

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GravatarThey'd call you honey, or baby, or stud.

In Balmer, probably just "hon."


GravatarAn interesting movie about one part of the industry is Live Nude Girls Unite!.

I like Live United Nude Girls, 'cuz it spells LUNG.


GravatarI've always thought it was sanding the Bishop.
Sidhra


Ouch! Ooch! Ow! How 'bour rasping, or planing, or grinding? This comes after the masochism tango, right?

With an orbital sander, though, with no paper in it...hmmmm.....


GravatarI went to a strip club a long time ago with some male friends. The woman who was the major attraction walked out already naked and then did all sorts of gymnastics on the stage, and that was it. All I remember is that I thought she looked so cold, all goose-pimples, compared to everyone else all dressed up, and that certainly some of the moves made me think of a gyneocological checkup.


GravatarHow much do we really *need*, and what would be just nice, for a change, or just for stupid fun?

I like nekkid women as much as the next three blokes combined, but I've never really had any urge to go to a strip club. I always figured it would be seedy & disappointing.


GravatarEli, it is the same guy, Kevin McKidd.


GravatarMing Campbell on how the change of mood in the US has its counterpart on the other side of the pond:

The future of Iraq depends as much on the battle for hearts and minds of the Iraqi people as it does on the fight against the insurgents. As Sir Robert Thompson, the military historian, has observed, ignoring the non-military aspect of an insurgency is like 'trying to play chess while the enemy is playing poker'. Acknowledged counter-insurgency theory is unambiguous; the strategic centre of gravity is the will of the people, whose support is indispensable.

We must attempt to understand the minds of the insurgents and of those who give active or passive support to them. Insurgents do not need to win, only not to lose. We must seek to deny them a permissive operating environment and to do that, we need to understand how and why it has come about.

At the heart of the problem is the enduring perception of occupation, a phenomenon which has been perpetuated by a catalogue of coalition mistakes. There was a catastrophic failure to plan for postwar Iraq; prolonged delays in the transfer of sovereign power and restoration of public services; the total disbandment of Iraqi security forces, creating a power vacuum which invited upheaval; and the excessive use of military force, as in Falluja, provoking anger and retaliation.


And no, you wouldn't get a politician writing something like that in an American paper.


Gravatar I always figured it would be seedy & disappointing.

Some of them are pretty nice, but still, boring and expensive.


GravatarCentral Scrutinizer: A woman I know fits that to a T. Physical, sexual, mental abuse. She told me about watching her mother shoot her father in the legs to prevent him from getting out of the truck that she'd just set afire.

You dated Michelle from Glasgow, KY, too...?
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GravatarOh, with me, they'd feel different.
Thers


Careful, dear. You don't want to end up like Rico on Six Feet Under....


GravatarI went to a strip club a long time ago with some male friends. The woman who was the major attraction walked out already naked and then did all sorts of gymnastics on the stage, and that was it. All I remember is that I thought she looked so cold, all goose-pimples, compared to everyone else all dressed up, and that certainly some of the moves made me think of a gyneocological checkup.

I was amused by the story of a couple of female coworkers who went on a business trip to NYC years ago, and god front-row seats to O Calcutta! (which they had heard was the hot show in the city)... and didn't know it was all nude.


GravatarI'm liking this movie.


The british do B-movies with so much more panache.


GravatarMany of my friends did, but I don't think it was because she represented their ideal woman.
Atrios


I understand. And I'm not talking about just in a strip club context. Sometimes when you walk down the street with another person, and you see a certain light go on in his eyes when he sees something specific. I just think it's interesting, because I'm usually surprised.


GravatarFucking Notre Dame.

Why did Stanford leave so much time on the clock?


GravatarHigh-End Titty Bars

You know you can't resist.


Hell, I can't resist low-end titty bars. Pretty much what you'd expect from a depraved, decadent liberal like me.


GravatarI didn't know the gentlemen here required their titty bars to be high end


GravatarI've always thought it was sanding the Bishop.
Sidhra


I've always heard flogging the bishop


GravatarMany of my friends did, but I don't think it was because she represented their ideal woman.

Yeah. A lot of going to titty bars is a male homosocial thing. It's more about being with the guys than it is watching the girls. Oddly enough.

That's half of it.

I haven't been in one since college long ago but I do recall there were always one or two grim, totally silent middle-aged guys sitting all alone drinking overpriced liquor and grimly feeding singles into a 20-year-old's thong.

That's the other half.


Gravatarsallyh: I didn't know the gentlemen here required their titty bars to be high end

I certainly set my bar high for high-end titty bars.
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GravatarI have never been to a strip joint. Ever.


GravatarYes, Kevin McKidd is in Dog Soldiers. I love him.


I'm liking this movie.

Werewolves are scary!! especially ones you can't see.


GravatarMmmmmmm. Nutty!


GravatarKevin McKidd has a great scene in the underrated Mike Leigh film Topsy Turvy. He and two other actors are discussing a massacre in the British colonies, The Sudan, I think, where a local insurgent chieftain attacked the British forces successfully. They're clucking their tongues about it ("It's just not cricket!"), and McKidd, who plays a Scottish actor, mentions blandly that the British military slaughtered 30 families on the Isle of Skye the previous year. Ice cold. Beautiful.


GravatarYou dated Michelle from Glasgow, KY, too...?



Jeffraham,

Naw, this was a woman that I met in college, truly fucked up beyond words. Amazing survival instincts though.


GravatarIn my college days I had no desire to visit the nudie bar when "BUSTY GGGGGGG" or whatever the name of the woman with the silcon tanks on her chest was when she arrived

Doubt many men would, in real life, have a thing to do with the titty *artists*, frankly. It's all about humiliation and objectification. Good for you that it was not your *speed*, Atrios.


GravatarUh ohh.


Wolfies howling!!


Now I'm scared.


GravatarAccording to several sources close to Smith, the principal owner of Sinclair has never been the paragon of personal virtue that his stations preach and his political allies champion.

Please...everyone knows "virtue" is for the little people, the working stiffs, the Red State salt of the earth. Politicians, preachers, captains of industry and owners of media conglomerates, who depend on the votes of said working stiffs, are exempt.


GravatarWhy did Stanford leave so much time on the clock?

Um, becauwse they suck?



I'm kind of an expert on this.


GravatarThere was a strip club in my college town that had a "2 drink or one sandwich" minimum.


Gravatarnull pointer exception: I have never been to a strip joint. Ever.

I have, perhaps a half-dozen times in my youth. I just never could figure out why I'd want to give money to sometimes-naked women whom I couldn't touch. Hell, I could just get married instead!
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GravatarNYMary, I agree.


He's terrific.


GravatarAll this strip club talk is reminding me of Wanda Sykes' "look at it!" routine


Gravatar There was a strip club in my college town that had a "2 drink or one sandwich" minimum.

I'm speechless.


GravatarG'nite exotic moonbats, sky clad or not.


Gravatar"not because she represented their ideal woman"

she did, though, in the same way as the old joke about hiring a prostitute--- "not to come over, but to *leave*"...


GravatarPut me down in the "what's the fascination?" camp. Whether it's the better than average potential for abuse history, substance abuse, general fakery/acting, lack of anything resembling intimacy, or sheer expense, I've never felt any desire to go to a strip club. Never been, don't expect to.

Though I'm certain there are women who simply dance for the money - lots of them in any college town - the whole idea leaves me feeling a bit sad. That may be sexist I suppose, but if I'm going to be stuck in patriarchal thought I'd rather it be on the compassionate side at least.


GravatarIt's all about humiliation and objectification.

I don't think that's necessarily so.

I'm kind of an expert on this.

Do ya s'pose they wanna catch the feature performer at the nearest high-end Stanford titty bar?


Gravatar There was a strip club in my college town that had a "2 drink or one sandwich" minimum.

I'm speechless.


Mmm... sandwich...


GravatarHe's terrific.

Pretty good as the bisexual guy in Bedrooms and Hallways, too, though I may be the only person on earth ever to have seen that film.


GravatarIt's all about humiliation and objectification.


Not for nothing, but just who's being humiliated here?


The girls or the idiot guys handing over all their money?


GravatarI remember going to see Morganna the Kissing Bandit at a strip club here in Austin. Now THAT was a freak show.


Gravatar"2 drink or one sandwich"

) )


GravatarTits for all of the men, in their corporate faces. Well, the straight ones anyway.


GravatarCentral Scrutinizer: Naw, this was a woman that I met in college, truly fucked up beyond words. Amazing survival instincts though.

Now comes the part where you tell me you went to Western Kentucky U., where Michelle went...
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GravatarIf any of you find yourselves in Providence on a friday morning, head over to the Foxy Lady for their famous "Legs n'Eggs Buffet."

It's like a dozen depressing things rolled into one.


GravatarIf men are "visual" (w/respect to sex), what are women?


GravatarSNL starting out with a chimp press conference.


GravatarSNL starting out with a chimp press conference.


GravatarSome of them are pretty nice, but still, boring and expensive.
four legs good

Sums up my overall feeling.

Not all bad, but damn, just doesn't make sense for me. Even when I was single.

Over priced drinks with a minimum?

Just to see a half naked lady dancing on a stage.


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GravatarPretty good as the bisexual guy in Bedrooms and Hallways, too, though I may be the only person on earth ever to have seen that film.


I'd never seen him before Rome.

I sat here watching the first 15 minutes of Dog Soldiers thinking, "I know that guy."


GravatarP&T,
Are there not gay strip clubs? I just assumed there were, in any city large enough to have a decently large gay community.


Gravatarheh. leggs n eggs. saw the billboard for it many times, but never went


GravatarSNL starting out with a chimp press conference.


I would rather pull my own teeth than watch SNL.


GravatarMmm... sandwich...
Eli

Thanks. That just put that "Foxtrot, Uniform, Charley, Kilo" song in my head.

Although it took away Cartman singing "I'm sailing away," so I guess it isn't all bad.


Gravatar(((Jeffraham!!!)))

(((Curly!!!)))


GravatarAre there not gay strip clubs? I just assumed there were, in any city large enough to have a decently large gay community.


There are.


Gravatar If men are "visual" (w/respect to sex), what are women?

We're supposed to crave connection and intimacy. And text with lots of stupid euphemisms for sex, apparently.


GravatarThere was a strip club in my college town that had a "2 drink or one sandwich" minimum.

Please god, no roast beef on the menu.


Gravatar"I made the hard decision to cut my vacation short" - Bush on SNL


GravatarSNL starting out with a chimp press conference.
JT

I'm not turning on the TV, but tell.

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Gravatar If men are "visual" (w/respect to sex), what are women?

visionary?


GravatarI knew a woman who worked at a strip club for several years. She told me that she and roughly 99% of the women who worked there: 1) had some form of abuse history; 2) despised men in general (see 1); and 3) while dancing thought about two things- how much they hated the guys in front of them and how much money they were parting from them. So there's that.

Sheer propaganda. Is that you Rev.Dobson?


GravatarIt's... The BISHOP!


GravatarSarah Deere: If men are "visual" (w/respect to sex), what are women?

In my experience, primarily tactile, with a strong secondary in olfactory.
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GravatarIf any of you find yourselves in Providence on a friday morning, head over to the Foxy Lady for their famous "Legs n'Eggs Buffet."

Pittsburgh used to (maybe still does?) have a hair salon where all the hairdressers were attractive women in lingerie.


GravatarHoly shit- that guy's guts are hanging out.



Sally, I hope you're watching this.


GravatarIf men are "visual" (w/respect to sex), what are women?
Sarah Deere


Tactile?


Gravatar heh. leggs n eggs. saw the billboard for it many times, but never went

I've never been (seriously! that place is teh pricey!), but there's something infinitely seedy about it that kind of warms my heart.


Gravatar4Legs--wish I was. Monsieur is suffering from bronchitis and I deferred to him on TV viewing.

Ironically, in view of the topic, he's watching 'Batchelor Party.'


GravatarThere are.

Thanks. I assumed so.


GravatarAre there not gay strip clubs? I just assumed there were, in any city large enough to have a decently large gay community.

No, not just any city. The open-minded ones, like DC and SF.

Just go to the capitol district and you can get an erection waved right in front of your face for $20.


GravatarNow this is a film that knows how to do monsters.


Less is more, with lots of blood and eatage.


GravatarNow comes the part where you tell me you went to Western Kentucky U., where Michelle went...

No, her stage name was "TT", also her initials. She was fond of breaking plate glass windows, just for the hell of it.

We didn't hang out a lot outside class.


GravatarAnd text with lots of stupid euphemisms for sex, apparently.
NYMary


Yeah. "Throbbing member" really does it for me....


GravatarI read somewhere that men like to look at the girlie magazine while women like to read erotica. Is that true?


Gravatar♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! & Mikey! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

Did you see the $40+ dongle-accomodating thingie?
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GravatarWe're supposed to crave connection and intimacy. And text with lots of stupid euphemisms for sex, apparently.

I am *so* craving some intimacy and togetherness right now.


GravatarPittsburgh used to (maybe still does?) have a hair salon where all the hairdressers were attractive women in lingerie.

I'd coiff up a few bucks to see that.


GravatarJust go to the capitol district and you can get an erection waved right in front of your face for $20.

Yeah, but it's Jeff Gannon's. Yuck.


Gravatar4Legs--wish I was. Monsieur is suffering from bronchitis and I deferred to him on TV viewing.


Well shit, feed him a sleeping pill and change the channel.

This is some of the best eatage I've seen in a while.


GravatarJeffraham--I've been busy doing housework and Christmas prep--how do I add it to my wishlist?


GravatarIn my experience, primarily tactile, with a strong secondary in olfactory.
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Jeffraham Prestonian


NOW I remember why I went out with the Crazy Christian Southern Baptist boy!


GravatarI heard that only 41% of women are orgasm-capable. Is this really true? Sad if true. Must be all Republicans.


GravatarWhen I was young and the first of my friends got married, we took him out for a night of titty bar bachelor party debauchery. Some of our female friends found out beforehand, and we all got an earful and a half about how titty bars "exploit women" (this was in the ultra-ULTRA politically correct early 1990s). We went anyway, and by the end of the night, every last one of us had had our wallets Hoovered completely empty and we went home even hornier and more sexually frustrated than we were when the evening began. "Who exactly is being exploited here?" I thought, as I went home and frantically churned my own butter for the first of what was probably twelve times over the next couple of days...


GravatarPretty good as the bisexual guy in Bedrooms and Hallways, too, though I may be the only person on earth ever to have seen that film.

I saw it too, though I don't remember much about it.


GravatarMarcia,
I like how the women in girl porn always know that they've conceived "his son." Who the fuck knows that? And right away?

Feh.

Having said that, I read a lot of these books, to my shame.


GravatarI am *so* craving some intimacy and togetherness right now.
Eli


Do you want to talk about your "feelings?"


Gravatarfunny true story. I was walking through downtown providence once when a convertible pulled up to me to ask directions. The driver asked me if I knew where the Foxy Lady was. I pointed them in the general direction as I wasn't sure. It wasn't until they were pulling away that I realized brad pitt was in the passenger seat (were filming meet joe black at the time)


GravatarLegs and eggs.


Feh. I'd rather have steak and eggs.


GravatarCHICAGO (Reuters) - A stain under a highway bridge that had drawn hundreds of faithful who thought it resembled the Virgin Mary was painted over by a road crew on Friday after a vandal defaced the image.

Chicago police said they charged a 37-year-old man with damage to state property after he used black shoe polish to paint "big lie" on the yellow and white stain which had become the site of an impromptu shrine for the past three weeks.

Some wept as a coat of brown paint was rolled over the stain on a wall next to a sidewalk where candles, flowers, pictures and other mementos had been placed.

Engineers had said the stain was most likely caused by a water leak from the road above, mixed with salt that had been used on the highway during the winter. Police did not say what the man's motive might have been in defacing the image.


GravatarIs that you Rev.Dobson? Pitchforks and Torches

Ouch!


Gravatar4Legs--he just took some Nyquil; with any luck it will kick in shortly


GravatarThere was a strip club in my college town that had a "2 drink or one sandwich" minimum.

Please god, no roast beef on the menu.


Alright guys, give it up for Amber on the main stage, accompanied by a Pastrami on rye- one night only...


Gravatar"I knew a woman who worked at a strip club for several years..."

A guy I went to school with married a stripper. Her uncle introduced her to him. She was not Playboy beautiful, but she had a nice girl next door look and very large natural ta tas. She was quite faithful to him and we spoke quite often about how dysfunctional her home life was. Her uncle was the only one who tried hard to help her and he did that by introducing her to my friend who was doing well in school and had post graduation job prospects.
They had a few kids and I keep in touch via email from time to time.

She was very open to me about her past which kind of took me by surprise since it isn't something one might discuss with strangers which I essentially was at the time. Though she said her family was dysfunctional the dysfunction never resulted in sexual abuse or a resentment towards men. Mainly her parents were poor white trailer trash who had no sense of shame or dignity. She was pushed into stripping by her mother. Her own father would recommend his friends go down to see her dance cause he thought it would guarantee her more tips.
She pretty much disowned them after her marriage, and to this day they only know she lives in Wisconsin, but not where in Wisconsin.

MYOB'
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GravatarIt wasn't until they were pulling away that I realized brad pitt was in the passenger seat (were filming meet joe black at the time)


Ha!

Bet they emptied his wallet but good.


Gravatarsallyh: I've been busy doing housework and Christmas prep--how do I add it to my wishlist?

Just click the green "Add to Cart" thingie, and when you go to the cart, you can move it to the wish list, if you desire.
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Gravatar4Legs--I can arrange the steak and eggs--legs and eggs, not so much.


GravatarHaving said that, I read a lot of these books, to my shame.
NYMary


I can't even look at you right now...


GravatarI saw it too, though I don't remember much about it.

Oh, McKidd has this passionate affair with a gorgeous but secretive Irish fellow who turns out to be living with his old girlfriend, from before he came out. It's all very confusing. There's a clownish and offensive gay stereotype in the mode of Will & Grace whose only redeeming feature is that he has semi-public sex with Hugo Weaving. (Elrond! I'm surprised at you!)


GravatarJourney That Ended in Anguish
A U.S. military ethics expert upset by what he saw is dead. His apparent suicide raises questions.
By T. Christian Miller
Times Staff Writer

November 27, 2005

WASHINGTON — One hot, dusty day last June, Col. Ted Westhusing was found dead in a trailer at a military base near the Baghdad airport, a single gunshot wound to the head.

The Army would conclude that he committed suicide with his service pistol. At the time, he was the highest-ranking officer to die in Iraq.

The Army closed its case. But the questions surrounding Westhusing's death continue.

Westhusing, 44, was no ordinary officer. He was one of the Army's leading scholars of military ethics, a full professor at West Point who volunteered to serve in Iraq to be able to better teach his students. He had a doctorate in philosophy; his dissertation was an extended meditation on the meaning of honor.

So it was only natural that Westhusing acted when he learned of possible corruption by U.S. contractors in Iraq. A few weeks before he died, Westhusing received an anonymous complaint that a private security company he oversaw had cheated the U.S. government and committed human rights violations. Westhusing confronted the contractor and reported the concerns to superiors, who launched an investigation.

In e-mails to his family, Westhusing seemed especially upset by one conclusion he had reached: that traditional military values such as duty, honor and country had been replaced by profit motives in Iraq, where the U.S. had come to rely heavily on contractors for jobs once done by the military.

His death stunned all who knew him. Colleagues and commanders wondered whether they had missed signs of depression. He had been losing weight and not sleeping well. But only a day before his death, Westhusing won praise from a senior officer for his progress in training Iraqi police.

His friends and family struggle with the idea that Westhusing could have killed himself. He was a loving father and husband and a devout Catholic. He was an extraordinary intellect, having mastered ancient Greek and Italian. He had less than a month before his return home. It seemed impossible that anything could crush the spirit of a man with such a powerful sense of right and wrong.

On the Internet and in conversations with one another, Westhusing's family and friends have questioned the military investigation.

A note found in his trailer seemed to offer clues. Written in what the Army determined was his handwriting, the colonel appeared to be struggling with a final question.

How is honor possible in a war like the one in Iraq?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...-home- headlines


GravatarI'd coiff up a few bucks to see that. Marwood

Just the highlights even. *Waves*


Gravatar4Legs--he just took some Nyquil; with any luck it will kick in shortly


This movie has real actors in it.


GravatarWe went anyway, and by the end of the night, every last one of us had had our wallets Hoovered completely empty and we went home even hornier and more sexually frustrated than we were when the evening began.

I hear these horror stories and thank my lucky stars I'm gay.


GravatarIt wasn't until they were pulling away that I realized brad pitt was in the passenger seat (were filming meet joe black at the time)

A lot of celebs are into the whole hooker/stripper thing, I understand.


GravatarDo you want to talk about your "feelings?"

Sure! There are all sorts of things I'd like to be feeling.


GravatarI briefly visited the website for one of the local topless emporia. Let's just say that it suggests an establishment slightly more upscale than the actual place, which is essentially a trailer in the middle of a bunch of van and truck hire places.


GravatarJeffraham--is it under accessories, and what's it called?


GravatarJust go to the capitol district and you can get an erection waved right in front of your face for $20.

Viceroy HAL is back on the D.C. circuit?


GravatarIt wasn't until they were pulling away that I realized brad pitt was in the passenger seat (were filming meet joe black at the time)
Atrios


The Boston athletes are regulars as well. It's local sports lore that Mo Vaughn, tanked and puffy from a night in the champagne room, hopped into his car to make it back home, only to rear-end a parked car on I-95.

I really need to start giving tours or something...


GravatarThe smell of pine never gets tiresome here.

and the bird and animal sounds

so quite, tho, now

And Zoe. I picked the best kitty ever.
(except LC and Moe)

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Gravatar4Legs--I can arrange the steak and eggs--legs and eggs, not so much.


Excellent!


I already have more legs than I need.


GravatarCHICAGO (Reuters) - A stain under a highway bridge that had drawn hundreds of faithful who thought it resembled the Virgin Mary was painted over by a road crew on Friday after a vandal defaced the image.

They'd better fix the road surface, too, or the damn thing will come back & they'll be sure it's a miracle.


Again.


Gravatarbkny: a few bloggers kept asking questions about Westhusing's death, along with his family. A nasty, nasty cover-up, for a great loss.


GravatarSure! There are all sorts of things I'd like to be feeling.
Eli


Hmmmm...I'll send you my number...


Gravataron SNL repeat now Carrell just joked that Owen Wilson was gay.

Would come as a surprise to the young blond thangs who I saw chatting him up as he was riding his bike through the streets of rome.


GravatarSallyh -- It's right here.
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GravatarOver in your neck of the woods, pseud, there are all those subtle billboards along 85 and 95- WE BARE ALL.

From what I've heard, "shack" is a compliment.


GravatarA note found in his trailer seemed to offer clues. Written in what the Army determined was his handwriting, the colonel appeared to be struggling with a final question.

How is honor possible in a war like the one in Iraq?


Oh, man. Ouch.


GravatarWhat's really depressing is prostitution.


GravatarI am going to bed. I thought I would repost this oldie but goodie from here in Houston.


Woman Denies Sherry Enema Charge

HOUSTON (Reuters) - A Texas woman indicted last month for allegedly giving her husband a lethal sherry enema said he was an enema addict who did it to himself, a newspaper reported Thursday.

Tammy Jean Warner said late husband Michael Warner had an alcohol problem and enjoyed giving himself wine or sherry enemas because his body would absorb the spirits more quickly that way.

“That’s the way he went out and I’m sure that’s the way he wanted to go out because he loved his enemas,” she told the Houston Chronicle.

Michael Warner, 58, died on May 21 and was found to have a blood alcohol level of 0.47 percent, or nearly six times the level considered too drunk to drive in Texas.

Mrs. Warner, 42, is accused of giving her husband a sherry enema even though she knew alcohol was bad for this health and faces a charge of criminally negligent homicide.

“There’s no way I could have gave my husband that enema, no way,” she said.

Police in Lake Jackson, Texas, 40 miles south of Houston, said there was evidence that Mr. Warner had received two large bottles of sherry.

“It all started back when he was a child,” Mrs. Warner explained. “His mother used to give him enemas all the time, and he started to depend on them.”

“He did coffee enemas, he did Castile soap, Ivory soap,” she said. “He had enema recipes.”

Mrs. Warner, a former bartender who got married to Warner in October 2002, is also charged with destroying his will, but she denied the charge, the Chronicle said.

Currently free on $30,000 bail, she is scheduled to go to trial in July. If convicted, she faces up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine on each charge.


GravatarJeffraham--I'm just about to place my order, and do you get more brownie points if I buy it on my Dell preferred?


GravatarIt wasn't until they were pulling away that I realized brad pitt was in the passenger seat (were filming meet joe black at the time) -Atrios

No Brad Pitt, but when I lived in Philly a carload of sailors pulled up to me and my friends walking along Lombard near Broad and asked us where they could find the hookers. Can't remember where we sent them.


GravatarHow is honor possible in a war like the one in Iraq?


As far as I can tell, it's not.


That story makes me wonder if someone murdered him because he knew too much.


GravatarPretty good as the bisexual guy in Bedrooms and Hallways, too, though I may be the only person on earth ever to have seen that film.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 11:35 pm

Oh, McKidd has this passionate affair with a gorgeous but secretive Irish fellow who turns out to be living with his old girlfriend, from before he came out. It's all very confusing. There's a clownish and offensive gay stereotype in the mode of Will & Grace whose only redeeming feature is that he has semi-public sex with Hugo Weaving. (Elrond! I'm surprised at you!)
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 11:44 pm


Not the only one. Both McKidd (Vorenus) and Purefoy (Marc Antony) are in Bedrooms and Hallways. They are lovers. Purefoy is the "gorgeous but secretive Irish fellow" you mention. I don't suppose they'll reprise that relationship in Rome.


GravatarPretty good as the bisexual guy in Bedrooms and Hallways, too, though I may be the only person on earth ever to have seen that film.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 11:35 pm

Oh, McKidd has this passionate affair with a gorgeous but secretive Irish fellow who turns out to be living with his old girlfriend, from before he came out. It's all very confusing. There's a clownish and offensive gay stereotype in the mode of Will & Grace whose only redeeming feature is that he has semi-public sex with Hugo Weaving. (Elrond! I'm surprised at you!)
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 11:44 pm


Not the only one. Both McKidd (Vorenus) and Purefoy (Marc Antony) are in Bedrooms and Hallways. They are lovers. Purefoy is the "gorgeous but secretive Irish fellow" you mention. I don't suppose they'll reprise that relationship in Rome.


Gravatar4Legs--but aren't four legs better?


GravatarI am *so* craving some intimacy and togetherness right now.
Eli

and that is what brings you to us (women), I suppose. Must be kind of lonely going on point constantly, due to all the abounding visual stimuli.

I'm not being snarky - it's just that, after all these years, I still have no idea what makes men & women "tick" nor how we get together w/any degree of amicability at all.

I have often despaired of ever understanding the opposite gender at all. THen, I think - oh, well, I don;t have to understand, I just need to cohabit the panet with, y'know?

Still, it ultimately feels lonely, and I do love me some Mr Deere - but we seem to be living in completely different worlds w/repect to sex.

Fucking, we understand pretty good , but it's the emotional parts that seem to be harder (though not impossible) to realize.


GravatarBoth McKidd (Vorenus) and Purefoy (Marc Antony) are in Bedrooms and Hallways.

You're right! I knew I'd seen him someplace! He's aged a lot more than McKidd, though.


GravatarJeffraham--and you know this is HASP compatible?


Gravatar
A lot of celebs are into the whole hooker/stripper thing, I understand.



I'm given to understand that Leonardo DiCaprio has a "Pussy Posse."

Whatever happened to wholesome celebrities, like Twinkie the Kid and Fruit Pie the Magician? Nobody ever saw Twinkie the Kid in the champagne room.


Gravatar"There was a strip club in my college town that had a "2 drink or one sandwich" minimum."


We had juice bars which are essenitally alcohol free joints. This way they were able to get around the liquire license restrictions. What would happen is that they would have a bar at one address and a strip club right next to it at the adjacent address. The two were owned by separate persons who worked cooperatively to get the clients of one place over into the other. After the shows the dancers would clean up and go over to the bar to mingle with the johns who were there at her stage. Of course the city tried to outlaw this but the courts claimed that to do so was a deliberate attempt to stifle private business and resulted in the direct targeting of an industry unfairly. The city was unable to do anything about but harrass the people showing up by pulling them over all the time as they left and then if any were found to be DWI they would accumulate the number of incidences and then take the two places to court as a public nuisance. They kept failing cause the defendents were able to video tape the police in the act and proved that the police actions constituted police harassment.
Eventually the places fell out of favor as less and less people frequented the joints until they filed for bankruptcy. Thus proving that the best way to handle this sort of thing was to let the free market handle it and stop pushing their damned morals which were only ploys by the city managers to garner votes by appearing as moral upstanding christians.

MYOB'
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Gravatar4Legs--but aren't four legs better?


Well, yes.

That doesn't mean that I want to have them for breakfast.


GravatarOver in your neck of the woods, pseud, there are all those subtle billboards along 85 and 95- WE BARE ALL.

There are seven billboards in a row near the GA/SC state line on I-85 advertising a titty bar:

'TOPLESS! TOPLESS! TOPLESS!'

Mentioning also that they have 'hot showers'. The mind boggles.


GravatarI got Monsieur to change the channel!


GravatarI got yer Virgin Mary right heeeere...


GravatarNot for nothing, but just who's being humiliated here?


The girls or the idiot guys handing over all their money?
four legs good


All the above. The men for being so crude and the women for selling the louts what they want.


GravatarOver at Jesus General a very scary story about domestic spying.....

"The General and the State Security Apparatus
Lafayette points to a Dem Vet article about domestic spying by the Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA). CIFA's been reading Jesus' General for over a year (seriously, this is not a joke). I feel much safer knowing that.

I've always wondered if it was because I asked the government of Iran to fix a pothole in front of my house (again, I'm serious). The timing's right. I first learned that CIFA was monitoring Jesus' General in the Spring of 2004.

Are they reading your blog too?"


Gravatar Nobody ever saw Twinkie the Kid in the champagne room.


That's because he had the hooker come to his hotel room.


Gravatarsallyh: Jeffraham--I'm just about to place my order, and do you get more brownie points if I buy it on my Dell preferred?

Somewhat, yes, but not so much as to have you even consider doing something like paying for the notebook however it works best for you, y'know. I'm way above average in financing percentages for November/December, so no worries there.
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GravatarI got Monsieur to change the channel!


Excellent.


GravatarIs this the same Virgin Mary highway bridge stain from earlier this year?

Because I'm sure I read this same story last May-- image "defaced", heartbroken bystanders watch road crew paint over image, etc.

Is there some new development?


GravatarThat story makes me wonder if someone murdered him because he knew too much.

That's a suspicion that some in his family share.


GravatarThere are seven billboards in a row near the GA/SC state line on I-85 advertising a titty bar:

'TOPLESS! TOPLESS! TOPLESS!'

Mentioning also that they have 'hot showers'. The mind boggles.
pseudonymous in nc


What, KOA is running strip joints now? With RV oparking in the rear?


GravatarAtrios has all the celebrity sightings!

I once saw the Fat Boys on the A Train. When the Human Beat Box was in his prime.


GravatarJeffraham--the one cool thing is that Dell has a 30 day grace period; they don't even start charging interest till day 31.


GravatarWell, that shit-fer-brains who got busted spending $240K at Scores asserts that he was "doing business" in the establishment.

Apparently, it is kosher to bring your business clients to strip clubs.


Gravatarsallyh: and you know this is HASP compatible?

There's a padlock involved...?

No; I do recall you mentioning HASP on the phone, but wasn't sure what that was about. Let me poke around before I say more...
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GravatarYeah. "Throbbing member" really does it for me....

Makes me think of a bad toothache. And the members don't exactly throb.


Gravatar'TOPLESS! TOPLESS! TOPLESS!'

Mentioning also that they have 'hot showers'. The mind boggles.
pseudonymous in nc

What, KOA is running strip joints now? With RV oparking in the rear?
Doozer, (truncated)


Dunno about the Deep South, where pseud is, but up here they market directly to truckers.


GravatarMichael Warner, 58, died on May 21 and was found to have a blood alcohol level of 0.47 percent, or nearly six times the level considered too drunk to drive in Texas.

Mrs. Warner, 42, is accused of giving her husband a sherry enema even though she knew alcohol was bad for this health and faces a charge of criminally negligent homicide.



I didn't need to know this!

.47!

Jebus!

(Melissa where's the gravy baster?)

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Gravatarcreepiest celeb sighting was woody allen, because i recognized his companio n first...


GravatarWhat's really depressing is prostitution.
four legs good | Email | 11.26.05 - 11:50 pm | #

Only the third world kind.
There are even those carried out here in the states where illegal aliens are promised help in getting their citizenship but are instead tricked into service to some scumbag and are then shoved into sex slave apartments where they are seldom allowed to leave and are deliberately hooked on drugs to make them dependent on their slave pimp suppliers.

Otherwise some of these ladies make damned good money. But it depends on whether you're a street walker or a call girl. The call girls can make upwards of $100K a year depending on the clients and the city they're in.

MYOB'
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Gravatarwatertiger,
That statue is clearly suffering from cheap paint outside in the elements.


GravatarOh, the press knew all about Twinkie the Kid and his various flings... but, as they did with JFK, just kept it to themselves....

(true story from a good source: the former editor of our smalltown weekly paper once said the real fun in being the editor was knowing all the stuff that *wasn't* fit for public knowledge)


Gravatar
Apparently, it is kosher to bring your business clients to strip clubs.


Like you never saw The Sopranos.


GravatarApparently, it is kosher to bring your business clients to strip clubs. -watertiger

Isn't that only if you take a shochet?


Gravatarcreepiest celeb sighting was woody allen, because i recognized his companio n first...

Well, he DOES like being a father figure to his wife.

Gah.


Gravatara carload of sailors pulled up to me and my friends walking along Lombard near Broad and asked us where they could find the hookers.

"Où sont les putains!"
we used to yell out staggering drunk through the streets of Paris in our college days. We were all talk. Every one of us would have pissed our pants if one actually talked to us.


GravatarMore here on Westhusing's death.


Gravatar creepiest celeb sighting was woody allen, because i recognized his companion first.

ooog.

Glad I never spotter Gary Glitter...


GravatarThat statue is clearly suffering from cheap paint outside in the elements.

Who knew the Virgin Mary wore eyeliner?


GravatarAnd the members don't exactly throb.

That's why the Hitachi Magic Wand is so popular, innit?


GravatarDunno about the Deep South, where pseud is, but up here they market directly to truckers.

That's my presumption too. I think it's just on the SC side of the state line, so you can buy fireworks, Powerball tickets and lapdances. And get a hot shower. But you still have to buy spirits in minibottles.


Gravatar“That’s the way he went out and I’m sure that’s the way he wanted to go out because he loved his enemas,” she told the Houston Chronicle.

Might explain that Frank Zappa bit from the New York album;
I wan' Iwan' Iwan' an enemaah
E-e-e-e-enemaah
I wan' Iwan' Iwan' an enemaah
E-e-e-e-enemaah


Gravatarpseudonymous,
I confess, I'm bumming about the death of George Best. Steve Gilliard has a good post on it.


GravatarSher-er-er-er-er-er-erry baaaaaby
Sheeeeeeeeeeerry can you come out tonight?


GravatarMakes me think of a bad toothache. And the members don't exactly throb.
Echidne of the snakes


It is a creepy visual.


GravatarWho knew the Virgin Mary wore eyeliner?

Yeah, it's a real Tammy Faye effect.


Gravatar*ucking, we understand pretty good , but it's the emotional parts that seem to be harder (though not impossible) to realize.

Single over 16 years here, Sarah. You're preaching to the choir.


GravatarGilliard on Georgie Best.


GravatarFucking, we understand pretty good , but it's the emotional parts that seem to be harder (though not impossible) to realize.
Sarah Deere


Word, Sarah. I'm as emotionally fraught and fucked up as Ms. Bomb, at least in the context of us as a couple.


Gravatar“That’s the way he went out and I’m sure that’s the way he wanted to go out because he loved his enemas,” she told the Houston Chronicle.

wasn;t there some guy around the time of Richard Speck who, in Chicago, would get into apartments, tie all the people inside up and give them enemas?

I really believe they called him the Enema Bandit, or some such.

Made my dad howl w/laughter.....


GravatarBTW, Mizz Huffington is going to be on "Reliable Sources" tomorrow a.m.

just sayin'.


GravatarSallyh -- HASP is a spooling protocol for VM and VM/SP, yes?

Were you going to use that serial port to send spooling commands to a mini or mainframe?

Or am I missing the point?
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GravatarI once saw the Fat Boys on the A Train. When the Human Beat Box was in his prime.
Thers


I saw Emilio Estevez at a health food store. Remember him? Emilio Estevez?

Never mind.


GravatarOh, the press knew all about Twinkie the Kid and his various flings

I recall hearing something about Twink loving Little Debbie's Honey Buns - but perhaps I've said too much.


GravatarConcerning Dell, the "rebates" are pegged from the date of order, so if you immediately mail it after a slow delivery you might make the 45 day cutoff.

Another $100 in the toilet, and me so angry about it that I'll buy Micron next time.

Michael Dell also has his customer service in Bangalore, I believe. A true taker and Bushite.


GravatarThe enema of my enema is my....

ah, I got nothing.


GravatarI confess, I'm bumming about the death of George Best. Steve Gilliard has a good post on it.

Me too. I posted a couple of comments up there. As I said, one of my best mates has a big photo of his dad tackling George Best from the early 70s. A rare thing.


Gravatar The enema of my enema is my....

ah, I got nothing.
spinoza | 11.27.05 - 12:06 am


My Freud.


GravatarI used to see Tracee Ellis Ross and Janeane Garofalo -- separately -- in the Union Square area.

But I'm not at all adept at spotting celebrities unless they are of the giant skull variety.


GravatarJeffraham--how do I make sure you get credit for the order?


GravatarMichael Warner, 58, died on May 21 and was found to have a blood alcohol level of 0.47 percent, or nearly six times the level considered too drunk to drive in Texas.

Jeepers Farking Cristmas! Suicide by booze. How sad.


GravatarJeffraham--yes, I have to send to a mini.


GravatarI wan' Iwan' Iwan' an enema
E-e-e-e-enema


One michael Kenyon, the Illinois Enema Bandit. Immortalized in a song by that name in the mid '70s by Frank Zappa. Best version is on the pink & black "New York" CD.


Gravatarsallyh: how do I make sure you get credit for the order?

If you configured the notebook I put in your online cart, I'm taken care of -- even if you made changes or added items to it -- as long as you haven't called the 800 number since I put it in your cart.
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GravatarJeffraham--I haven't called the 800 number; I've only done this online. Is that cool?


Gravatarpseud,
Just read the comments. Best was one of the first athletes I was aware of,a nd I was obsessed with him for a while.


GravatarYou're preaching to the choir.
Pitchforks and Torches

Buzz Bomb

Yup, I know. Just sometimes good to remember we're all in this leaky boat together and that it is NOT (despite the Media's continual attempts to make us believe otherwise) a problem-free luxury cruise.



Just gotta keep cutting one another much slack, eh??


GravatarApparently, it is kosher to bring your business clients to strip clubs.
watertiger


Oh it's totally kosher. I have a friend who works for a large, unnamed apparel manufacturer headquarted in Portland, Oregon that has a lot of famous celebrity spokespeople. *cough* He travels a lot, and he feels as if he can't refuse offers to take him to titty bars, especially overseas. He's been offered prostitutes, as well, which he does refuse, although one time he got so much pressure from the hooker, who seemed to think an "agreement" had already been reached (there was a bit of a language barrier), that he was a little worried her pimp was going to appear and start breaking his fingers, or worse. He's a dedicated family man, and this stuff really makes him uncomfortable, especially the hookers. Business culture is fucked.


GravatarDoozer, I'll trade you that Zappa tune for "Teenage Enema Nurses in Bondage" by Killer Pussy.


GravatarHow can you all overlook "Teenage Enema Nurse"?

Feh.

Bon soir, you scrumptious croques mesdames et messieurs!

a bien tot.


GravatarOh, fuck Haloscan anyway. The post above is in reply to Sarah Deere at 12:04


Gravatarsallyh: Jeffraham--yes, I have to send to a mini.

Okey doke -- can you wait on the USB-to-DB9 thing? I'll have to get some serious researchin' on the HASP issue. Nothing online here tells me that it is, so I don't want to assume...
.


GravatarJeffraham--not to be a pain in the butt, but I was pretty sure I included the 3 year total care warranty--is it there?


GravatarDoozer, I'll trade you that Zappa tune for "Teenage Enema Nurses in Bondage" by Killer Pussy.
Pitchforks and Torches


Used to listen to KTRU (Rice Univ) in the late '80s, and I heard that one quite a bit.


GravatarBush Official's Plane Makes Emergency Stop
24 minutes ago

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A small, twin-engine plane carrying White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card made an emergency landing in Nashville Saturday after smoke began pouring into the cockpit, officials said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051...DltBHNlYwM3MTY-


GravatarThe Poodle is going to be investigated by Parliament in how he went about being Bush's lapdog.

Naturally this means the Brits will also be investigating the Chimperor Disgustus. Doing the work that Pat Roberts won't.

Huzzah!


GravatarYeah,
I'm off to bed behind watertiger. Adios, bats!


Gravatarsallyh: I haven't called the 800 number; I've only done this online. Is that cool?

Very much so.


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GravatarA small, twin-engine plane carrying White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card

"Oops, forgot to tell Andy to stay out of small planes.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha!"

-- Karl Rove


GravatarJust gotta keep cutting one another much slack, eh??
Sarah Deere


Hey, it's not US, it's THEM! LOL. I just roll with the punches. Look at it this way, some of us have the "bye bye" chromosome. The lookers don't want any parts of us, and the uggos and/or psychos won't leave us alone.

The frustration they generate just makes it more likely I'll stay single.


Gravatarsallyh: Jeffraham--not to be a pain in the butt, but I was pretty sure I included the 3 year total care warranty--is it there?

If it's there, it'll show up when you look over the details. If you can't find it, give me until tomorrow to look it over for you (I have no access to the internal goodies from here at the GWOWC).
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Gravatar"Business culture is fucked"

'use or be used' seems to be the way of it...


GravatarJeffraham--actually, I have a Quatech PCMCIA card for that, so don't worry about it; they're expensive but they work. That's why I asked if there was a PCMCIA slot.


GravatarI wan' Iwan' Iwan' an enema
E-e-e-e-enema

One michael Kenyon, the Illinois Enema Bandit. Immortalized in a song by that name in the mid '70s by Frank Zappa. Best version is on the pink & black "New York" CD.
Doozer

Doozer - no shit (so to speak)!!!

WHile it doesn't surprise me that Zappa would *immortalize* this in a song, I'm sorry for my lost yrs when I should have been listening to music but was instead busy screwing up my life for a while......Rats!!!!!


GravatarSheeeeeeeeeeerry can you come out tonight?
JeffCO




GravatarJeffraham--it's saying that I can save $50 with the total care warranty for 3 years. I'm just not sure if I added it to the 3 year warranty.


GravatarWe used to knock on the hospital room door when visiting my grandfather...he always answered, "Who is it? Friend or enema?"


GravatarThe Poodle is going to be investigated by Parliament in how he went about being Bush's lapdog.

Well, that's if they can get the votes. But I suspect they'll get the votes.

This is the big story. The 'bomb al-Jazeera' line may be the tip of the iceberg, as far as this OSA trial is concerned:

"Some people will think this is heavy-handed," said a senior Whitehall source. "What people are bound to say is that we are being inconsistent in dealing with this case. They are bound to ask why we are pursuing this case, and not others."

In other words: what do they have to hide? The answer to that appears to reflect the degree to which Tony Blair is still haunted by the Iraq war. The attack on Fallujah, which was at its height when he met George Bush, epitomises many of the most serious concerns about that war.

In response to the lynching of four American security contractors, US forces were ordered to "clean out" Fallujah, over the protests of the Marine commander on the ground, who argued that months of painstaking efforts to win hearts and minds would be destroyed.

"The decision was political, not military," said Toby Dodge of Queen Mary College, London University, who went to Downing Street with other Iraq experts before the war to warn Mr Blair of the perils of an invasion. "It was taken in the Oval Office."

But after three weeks of heavy fighting, and correspondingly high casualties, the White House lost its nerve. The Marines, who lost 600 men, believed they were on the point of seizing the town when they were ordered to hand over to an "Iraqi brigade" commanded by a general from the Saddam era, which promptly yielded control back to the insurgents.

In the midst of this disaster, the Prime Minister was at the White House. That Britain was concerned about the conduct of the fighting was revealed in a leaked Foreign Office memo the following month. This said: "Heavy-handed US military tactics in Fallujah and Najaf, some weeks ago, have fuelled both Sunni and Shia opposition to the coalition, and lost us much public support inside Iraq."


That's to say, the real story may be what Blair knew about the Fallujah operation.


GravatarSallyh -- All of our notebooks have at least one PCMCIA slot... you got the I2200 or the IB130? I think both have exactly one PCMCIA slot.
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GravatarSallyh, just be certain to mail the rebate forms out the same day as it's delivered.


GravatarI'm sorry for my lost yrs when I should have been listening to music...

Then you got some catching up to do. Never too late...


GravatarSallyh -- E-mail me your password to the site, and I'll look at it for ya.
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GravatarSallyh, just be certain to mail the rebate forms out the same day as it's delivered.
Pitchforks and Torches


Rebates...slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch...
I got reamed for about $140 by Tigerdirect (all rebates all the time) and Soyo. Now I wish I was a compulsive record-keeper like some people. Some folks call the lottery the Idiot Tax; rebates are worse, and I refuse to play that game anymore.


GravatarI gave up on rebates as well. It's more me than them, though. I'm too much of a procrastinator.


GravatarWe used to knock on the hospital room door when visiting my grandfather...he always answered, "Who is it? Friend or enema?"
Pitchforks and Torches

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

God, us old farts are neat, aren't we...???


Gravataran owl eating turkey has thanks.


GravatarYet another joy of Costco - they handle all the rebates for you. All you have to do is go online and type in the code numbers from your receipt and you get a check from them a few weeks later. Sweet! I haven't bought much from tigerdirect, but I've had great experiences with Newegg.com.

heh- watching an old South Park, where the kids are trapped on the school bus hanging off the edge of a cliff. All their memories end with their getting ice cream. "Now that's what i call a sticky situation! Ha ha ha..."


GravatarI'm watching the clip of the Sex Pistols on that Britsh Chat show right now. It always makes me laugh. It reminds me of Harry Nilsson's drunken interview on Mormon owned KSL-TV in SLC. He started to sing, "You're Breaking my Heart." Apparently, no one in the studio had heard that song, and they weren't prepared for the chorus.


GravatarJeffraham--the only thing I want to change is the warranty. How can I do that?


GravatarHey, it's not US, it's THEM! LOL. I just roll with the punches. Look at it this way, some of us have the "bye bye" chromosome. The lookers don't want any parts of us, and the uggos and/or psychos won't leave us alone.

The frustration they generate just makes it more likely I'll stay single.
Pitchforks and Torches

Honeychile, I don't know, and if I did I suppose I would be filthy rich.

I do happen to believe that men and women (or, let's just take the gender out and say "partners") should never live together, but close by, such as in duplexes or across the street from one another.

Do not share bank accounts. Take at least the occasional separate vacation. Etc. There is at least as much good in separateness as there is in togetherness.

One without the other is either claustrophobia or a kind of agoraphobia.


GravatarCostco is everything a corp should be.


GravatarJeffraham--sent to your gmail acct.


GravatarDoozer and P+T--this one is taken at the time of purchase and isn't a mail in.


GravatarJeffraham--the B130.


GravatarI'm watching the clip of the Sex Pistols on that Britsh Chat show right now.

The Bill Grundy interview? Classic! The Pistols were excoriated for that in the British tabloid press, even though it was obvious to anyone watching that Grundy was being a sexist asshole. Steve Jones called him a "dirty fucker," which was letting him off easy if you ask me.


GravatarAn automatic rebate is one thing, this jump-through-the-hoops-like-a-good-doggy bullshit is insulting. I buy most of my stuff from Directron, now. Fry's every once in a while, but no rebate items. (No open boxes, either...)


Gravatara friend who stripped(male) made great money at it...

corporate milfs/goldiggers would fistfight over him in public restaurants

all of his 'coworkers' were gay/bi

he's a preacher now

ohhh the wild times

anyways his old boss has a chain of clubs, someone mentioned the name in here already...

they have some venues in Phoenix...

Los Alamos beating?

It would be interesting to see more into it. Danny Owens is the club owner, doing fed time...


Gravatar"The plane left Texas, where Card has been meeting with President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said."


Sounds like they know who else turned evidence... probably twice over(Abramoff and Plame).


The FED are waiting to pounce...

Bet Uncle marvin bush is glad part of the Citi portfolio, they employ the Secret Service...

might be time to take care of some loose ends, eh?


Gravatarwhoremonger . . . definitely one of the best words in the English language!


Gravatar An automatic rebate is one thing, this jump-through-the-hoops-like-a-good-doggy bullshit is insulting.

Which reminds me of a little scam Best Buy ran on me last Xmas: I bought a couple of things there and paid with my credit card. The cashier said they were running a magazine promo and did I want to get one of several magazines free for 6-12 weeks. I said OK, and they asked me what magazine I wanted. Turns out once the "free" period is over, they automatically charge your card for a continuing subscription, without notifying you.

Beware!


GravatarResist? I live on a salaried job in the Bush economy. I might not be able to resist, but I can't afford a high end titty bar!


GravatarBeing rich and spending a lot of time in Vegas strip clubs is not always a good combination. That Sinclair fellow might want to check on what happened to Benny Binion's son.


Gravatarheh heh..."all the comments"??

You've got a whole 1 comment on this whole miserable blog.

Uh..man, maybe its time to give up the ghost..


GravatarNice.

-John


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