I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
insane
done, ruined and fucked
sick
republican
First home run ever,
And Arabella gets a roundtripper!
keep going, arabella!
I was going to be first, but arabella was just so all over it I couldn't elbow my way in....
hee, I'm embarrassed. I'm sorry I missed the zombie movie. It sounded great.
And fair enough, but do I gotta accept Missy-poo's accusations of misogyny in the same spirit?
Evelyone's a rittle bit lacist.
GWPDA,
get back into the kitchen, dammit!
(you took the words from my mouth.)
I think we all have that kind of tribal, primal instinct inside of us and it comes out from time to time.
The difference between a liberal and a Republican (I don't bother calling them "conservative") is that the liberal will try to build a society that works against these racist, xenophobic tendencies, Republicans build societies that celebrate them.
Cup O' Joe - Blog Of The Working Man!
Abramoff could be the A-bomb of corruption for the Gooper party.
Here's hoping they remain "radio-active" and unelectable for the usual half-life of 10,000 years.
watertiger...thanks for linkee 
Excellent advice.
Now ... there is a letter to the NYT that is irritating me. It is in response to a Fuckwad John Tierney column about Wal-Mart. I guess Tierney said that people who complain about Wal-Mart mistreating employees are affluent and don't have to shop there (i.e., liberal elitists). His evidence for this is that Target stores don't get attacked because they cater to liberal elitists. Then he says:
Working-class families may benefit more from Wal-Mart's lower prices than they would from higher wages. A dollar added to the wages is taxed, while every dollar saved on purchases is tax-free.
WTF? is this argument (which is being made by an "urban development consultant," btw (is "consultant" synonymous with "unemployed" in your town? It is here.)?
get back into the kitchen, dammit!
(you took the words from my mouth.)
I don't wanna!!!! I just poured my coffee and got the paper!
You don't like women, do you?
I just don't seem to know my place, so I think that I'll have to kick my own ass.
Morning Ralph's!
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The Gooper southern bloc is built on winks and nods to racism.
The gerrymandering of congressional districts has also damaged minority rights and representation.
America will remain on this undemocratic and racist path until the Goopers (and Dems of their ilk) are removed from office.
Y'know, if people just thought about what they were about to say before they actually said it -- taking that metaphorical breath before letting the words actually escape their mouths -- half of this crap would never happen. As it is, everybody's so damn touchy, it ends up being self-escalating, with people getting more honked off about the reactions on both sides to a statement than to the statement itself.
Berkeley Breathed called it twenty years ago: Offensensitivity.
Morning UppityNegroEmbigulator!
More than happy bite your shoes if you'd like - got any shoestrings?
I just don't seem to know my place, so I think that I'll have to kick my own ass.
From 4th to 7th grade, I was bussed to a black school. I remember being amazed at how destructive the black boys were to their school, smashing windows with rocks when no teachers were around; once pissing on the curtain controls to the auditorium. In 7th grade, one white female teacher was completely intimidated, and every day put an assignment up on the board to "summarize" a part of the text (3 1/2 pages = A+, 3 pages = B+, etc.) and sat in the corner for the whole class, while the mostly black boys formed the desks in a circle and played poker for money, and generally intimidating the rest of the class. I remember having to dodge the occasional flying dictionary.
I don't think of myself as racist, but I know that experience influences my view of blacks.
I admit to being perplexed by Sen. Joe Lieberman's wild and delusional claims made this past week on Imus, that post-Saddam Iraq is nothing short of a shining success story.
As close as I can tell, the Heritage Foundation appears point by point to be the source of Lieberman's bogus claims.
Do these look familiar?
http://www.heritage.org/Research...eEast/
wm932.cfm
Joe, Joe, Joe, time to turn in your Democratic party cards. You, Sir, are a Republican.
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That was a good article. Ampersand's suggestion not to react explosively when being called a racist is an excellent one.
res - yeah I saw that ding dong letter in the NY Times. They look for the same quality in the letters they publish as they do in their writers.
res ipsa -- that may be why the NYT noted his "job". He's the kinda guy municipalities go to when they want to justify approving Wal*Marts.
The median FAMILY income in America is $43,000.
That means that half of the American people make that or less.
How the fuck can anyone support a family of four on that kind of money?
Especially if they want to send their kids to college and save for retirement! There's barely enough to pay the current bills.
Meanwhile Bushboy and the Goopers want more tax cuts for the rich, despite deficits, despite the already widening gap between rich and poor.
You don't like women, do you?
I hate myself. (runs sobbing from room)
scout, that site is hysterical!
Well, let me get a few more hours sleep, and then I'll be ready for anything!
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Awrighty, I must shower and go to the bank. (I'ive heard that's where the money is.)
Laters.
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filkertom ... Exactly. Fucking wankerific. Tierney and his fans. I'm glad I can't read Tierney.
We can't always control our gut-level reactions, but we can learn to recognize when they're fucked up.
I hate myself. (runs sobbing from room)
Girls!
I remember when I was dragged out of my house by a group of drunk white men. They took me out to the public square, with the sherriff's approval, and set up a noose. Smiling women and children looked on, and some people snapped photographs to be later turned into postcards as I dropped to my death.
I don't think of myself as racist, but I know that experience influences my view of whites.
scout, that site is hysterical!
watertiger
Yeah I liked the Contacts page too.
"Seniors: Are you interested in the learning more about the lucrative world of alpaca farms? Contact us"
The median FAMILY income in America is $43,000.
How the fuck can anyone support a family of four on that kind of money?
Far better than a family with one parent working full-time at WalMart for $9 an hour which translates into $18,720 BEFORE taxes.
As I've said before, the United States -- not cities, needs a working wage law.
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res ipsa -- I got a login from someone who basically took a hit for the team, i.e., paid for NYT Direct, and so this week I've been reading Tierney and Bobo for the first time in a few months.
In what I'm certain must be an unrelated development, I'm holding my head in pain and vomiting more.
We can't always control our gut-level reactions, but we can learn to recognize when they're fucked up.
Or know that they have the potential to be fucked up, by virtue of the circumstances in which we were raised. My starting point is usually, "The potential is there, by virtue of me having grown up a) white b) affluent; c) surrounded by other affluent white.
Here that, trolls: I'm an affluent white woman!
Three random points:
(1) in general it's a good idea not to react emotionally when someone makes accusations. Nothing new there.
(2) I agree with the statement that we are all a little racist.
(3) The only people in my entire life that have told me or hinted that I said something racist have been other white people. Come to think of it, they were all 'ultraliberals' - e.g. the green party didn't really go far enough to the left for them.
(4) I ain't gonna apologize to someone who is being a sanctimonious ass.
A dollar added to the wages is taxed, while every dollar saved on purchases is tax-free.
John L. Gann
From that NYT letter. A silly argument unless the workers carry all their dollars right back to the store. What workers get is all they have to consume. What consumers save is less, how much less depends on what portion of their budgets they spend at Wal-Mart.
I'm very fucked up. Things just fly out of my mouth uncensored.
"A, my name is . . . um . . . what's a name that starts with 'A'?"
Here that, trolls: I'm an affluent white woman!
res ipsa loquitur
Love it, res ipsa loquitor.
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Very interesting read. I love the point about not making the situation about yourself.
Also, when will straight people get as upset about being called homophobes as whites do about being called racists? Probably not for a while.
Interesting news on yahoo that SCOTUS is going to hear arguments on Rummy's case about campus recruiting this coming Tuesday. I wonder how straight, white Roboerts will lean.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051...zkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Here that, trolls: I'm an affluent white woman!
Yeah, but are you spoiled?
watertiger,
Do you still have your "rich white woman" troll?
A friend of mine bought a large tract of land in Maine to setup as an alpaca farm a few years ago.
He never could make a go of it and is now trying to sell his alpacas.
Fortunately for him, he kept his day-job with the TSA and is highly paid, but he loathes Bushboy and says the squandering of money by this regime (in Homeland Defense) is nothing less than embezzlement and waste.
Here that, trolls: I'm an affluent white woman!
They don't care til you're Missing
I had one too many and fell off a wall like Humpty Dumpty.
More than happy bite your shoes if you'd like - got any shoestrings?
After I get back from the shoe store, I will.
Hiya Mary
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The one thing about having someone point out a racist statement is that, if one is honest enough, tracing that statement back often discloses some assumptions that are very revealing.
I dunno. I get very upset if somebody thinks I'm a homophobe.
A silly argument unless the workers carry all their dollars right back to the store.
Well, I'm willing to bet they do spend a good portion of what they make in the store. But you can't pay your rent in the store, or buy energy, and those are two huge expenses.
And if that was his point, then he's the fucking elitist shitheel, who thinks it's okay that they have someplace to put their money and doesn't recognize that it might be nice to have a choice to go someplace else.
Here's what we're up against preventing Alito from being confirmed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5120200962.html
Opposing his confirmation is anti-God.
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Also, when will straight people get as upset about being called homophobes as whites do about being called racists? Probably not for a while.
I dunno. When I taught high school, I was considered nutty because I banned my student's favorite insult from my class: "that's so gay!" It's a matter of making people see first, that it is offensive, second, why, and third, why the feelings of others matter.
The empathy-impaired who make up the modern right probably won't ever get there, though, I admit.
I don't think of myself as racist, but I know that experience influences my view of blacks.
Paul
I know Paul, I feel for ya, we're all like that pretty much.
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Who was watertiger's rich white woman troll? I must have missed it. What kind of troll calls itself a rich white woman/
Echidne -- the thing I am most confused about how big corporations do business: Why, why do they work so hard on making it impossible for their own employees to, y'know, buy their products? No customer base, no nothin' for anybody.
Yeah, on here I would figure people would hate to be called homophobic. Progressives (in my experience) tend to be good people willing to look at how they treat and interact with others. Hm, how can the right hate that so much?
This is a great point by ampersand. My research and scholarship is mostly in the area of race and gender and criminal law (often around the death penalty). I am finishing a piece about prosecutors undervaluing Black women who are sexually assaulted in their charging decisions. I start with the rather uncontroversial truth that for most of the life of this country, raping a Black woman was simply not a crime.
I have presented my work twice and you should hear the responses. Not that what I am saying is not true, but rather that "Prosecutors are NOT racists." Christ on a Cracker! What I am saying is that the current undervaluation of Black rape victims is a product in part of societal attitudes left over from when raping a slave was OK. But all people can hear is a personal attack -- in my case, both "racist" and "sexist."
As long as the people with real power (like prosecutors) react to the imagined slight rather than the evidence of what is happening in practice, we will not get anywhere.
After I get back from the shoe store, I will.
Great! Biting at shoestrings is wonderful! (Two Legs Tall doesn't have any - that's 'cause she's a girl, I'm pretty sure.)
Arabella,
No the troll liked to call watertiger a rich white woman, though as watertiger reminded me, it may have been spoiled white woman. It was weird, anyway.
Yes, please repost if there's a pic of a rich white trollie (RWT).
When I taught high school, I was considered nutty because I banned my student's favorite insult from my class: "that's so gay!"
Wow, NYMary, good for you. Props.
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Well I am Amanda linked to this, because she should consider it closely. Amanda, white grrl, is incredibly sexist to the point of being a misandrist.
Whenever anyone of any pov attempts to discuss her illogical rants she cusses them out and reflexively accuses them of being members of MRAs and being misogynists. And women themselves are not excluded. Amanda has the truth on the patriarchy, and any woman that begs to differ is basically told that she is an uncle tom.
Once upon a time, women's liberation was about liberating women AND men. Now at Amanda's site, women's liberation is about gaining and keeping and leveraging power that women have gained over men, even when that leads to demonstrable injustices.
A common cry there is that it is ridiculous for any man to claim that they are discriminated against in any fashion, BECAUSE of course, they are men and members of the patriarchy.
Amanda's new and improved Pandagon -- basically a hate site towards men not much better than how LGF and Freepers discuss "islamofacism".
Well, this has been lovely, moonbats, and I hope it'll be more frequent now. I've gotta get some errands taken care of. Hugs all around, and have a great day.
They've wrapped me in a white sheet, that's all.
They don't care til you're Missing
They won't care even then -- I'm not blonde and/or nubile.
Arabella,
no, the troll was at my joint, and every time I posted something about condi rice, he'd accuse me of being a "spoiled white woman living off my daddy's trust fund in my midtown apartment." So wrong on so many counts.
the icing: he went by blkgrl (he's visited here, too). Guy lives in Florida; I checked his ISP.
happy garage cleaning, filk! enjoy that pizza.
Definitely Mary. Wish there had been a "safe" teacher when I was in school. Very cool.
filk:
Walter Reuther who was head of the UAW long ago once asked the heads of the US auto corporations, "Who is going to buy your cars if workers don't get paid a decent wage?"
The question was never satisfactorily answered and as GM, Ford and Chrysler cut jobs and lose market share to the foreign imports, the answer becomes even more urgently pertinent.
I was considered nutty because I banned my student's favorite insult from my class: "that's so gay!"
That was very big in the '70s. Then, in the '80s -- around the time AIDS hit the scene -- people started seeing that it was homophobic and highly uncool. I don't think (hope) kids use it anymore.
Aeon Flux got hammered by Rotten Tomatoes. 13% with 28 reviews so far. Yikes.
misandrist
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UppityNegro™Embigulator,
Well, you know what happens when you get more than two blacks together in a room -- it's a riot.
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The one thing about having someone point out a racist statement is that, if one is honest enough, tracing that statement back often discloses some assumptions that are very revealing.
Diane
Yep. After Katrina, I found out a lot of things I'd rather not have known about my own family in that regard.
Death is the last racial barrier you'll ever climb.
I don't think (hope) kids use it anymore.
It's made quite the resurgence, unfortunately.
but do I gotta accept Missy-poo's accusations of misogyny in the same spirit?
GWPDA
My Missy is not a poo!
The troll called watertiger a "rich white woman" huh. Maybe the troll knows that watertiger is a baker of wonderful eclairs. "Rich white" really meant rich white chocolate, so it was kind of a compliment. You know like: watertiger is a "golden marzipan woman."
the icing: he went by blkgrl (he's visited here, too). Guy lives in Florida; I checked his ISP.
Damn, and I was looking for a date!
"she" was mildly entertaining though.
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Well, you know what happens when you get more than two blacks together in a room -- it's a riot.
Do they have shoelaces?
Amanda's new and improved Pandagon -- basically a hate site towards men not much better than how LGF and Freepers discuss "islamofacism".
Hmmmm.....
I'll have to check with my insufferably hip, 15 year old nephew (his backpack is covered with anti-war and anti-Bush buttons) if they use "that's go gay" in his public high school.
My guess is, no.
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They won't care even then -- I'm not blonde and/or nubile.
res ipsa loquitur
Take heart we'd soming looking for ya
And another small point worth pondering:
People who have only know privilege perceive equality as discrimination.
the thing I am most confused about how big corporations do business: Why, why do they work so hard on making it impossible for their own employees to, y'know, buy their products? No customer base, no nothin' for anybody.
Filk, I posted on the open thread earlier about the manner in which top management runs companies specifically to curry favor with Wall Street to increase the stock price that these same top managment people reward themselves with in large amounts (stock options).
These same people are making outrageous sums (the ceo of my place made $42 million last year).
Bottom Line: They are getting theirs. If the thing goes bust, fuck it.
Same thing happening with the deficit and tax cuts.
I'll have to check with my insufferably hip, 15 year old nephew (his backpack is covered with anti-war and anti-Bush buttons) if they use "that's go gay" in his public high school.
My guess is, no.
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Oh, "South Park" has done its part to bring it back.
immanentize - Two Legs Tall would like to have a chance to see your research (she's an historian you know.)
Yeah, but are you spoiled?
Unfortunately I am not now, nor have I ever been, spoiled.
If any of you would like to spoil me, please do let me know. I would happily accomodate you.
Well, you know what happens when you get more than two blacks together in a room -- it's a riot.
A laugh Riot, I tells ya.
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I don't think of myself as racist, but I know that experience influences my view of blacks.
Paul
That's the way, Paul. Don't feel so bad about yourself.
**sharpens scythe, eyeing Paul's neck**
"The one thing about having someone point out a racist statement is that, if one is honest enough, tracing that statement back often discloses some assumptions that are very revealing."
Define racist statement? Is it a catch phrase or an active comment? I have one phrase in my lexicon that I have managed to stifle for years. It means nothing to me in terms of making a racist remark, but it is an extremely racist remark. Because I heard this phrase growing up frequently in just about any venue, it became entrenched. I haven't used it since a teen and I became aware, but like someone translating from one language to another, it rolls to the tip of my tongue until my internal translator catches up and substitutes. I am scared to death one day I will be a bit too slow.
I'll have to check with my insufferably hip, 15 year old nephew (his backpack is covered with anti-war and anti-Bush buttons) if they use "that's go gay" in his public high school.
My guess is, no.
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Oh, "South Park" has done its part to bring it back.
Oy!
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It's hard to raise kids to be sensitive to racism and sexism and homophobia. It's in the air they breathe, and they often have no idea they're doing it.
Funny story: I was teaching Franklin's "The Sale of the Hessians" when a kid asked me why the Germans were fighting for the Italians when he thought they were fighting for the British. Took me ages to figure out what the kid was talking about, but Franklin does say they're willing to die "for guineas."
Huh.
Working-class families may benefit more from Wal-Mart's lower prices than they would from higher wages. A dollar added to the wages is taxed, while every dollar saved on purchases is tax-free.
(via res ipsa)
You load 16 tons and what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me
'Cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
People who have only know privilege perceive equality as discrimination.
immanentize
wow. so true
Do they have shoelaces?
Someone wants to play.
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A laugh Riot, I tells ya.
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I am scared to death one day I will be a bit too slow.
EkCenTriK
Some day you will. At that stage you're going to have to learn how to make wild choking sounds and explain about Tourette's.
Two Legs Tall would like to have a chance to see your research (she's an historian you know.)
I did not know that -- this month is "finish the G.D. article" month and I would be happy (even eager) to have some kindly eyes critique it. I riff off of Dorothy Roberts and her great book about race and reproductive freedom, Killing the Black Body to get to my sexual assault point.
It's a great book, I really recommend it, changed my world view....
Billy B:
Exactly right!
Gillette was one of the last big Corp. home-grown Boston companies left in Mass.
It's CEO sold it to Proctor & Gamble for a dubious price but he will collect over $160 million in the sale of his Gillette stock.
A few thousand long-time Gillette employees will lose their jobs.
And BTW, the CEO has been with the company less than 4 years.....
I just haven't had time time to spoil.
You're not going to change these people.
Why give yourself an ulcer worrying about them?
Do they have shoelaces?
Lose shoes, and shoelaces?
Defeats the purpose.
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I don't think of myself as racist...
You should.
Res, I was in HS in upstate NY when the news of AIDS broke into the MSM. I remember it getting scarier to be gay.
AIDS jokes were everywhere and ignorance prevailed. I vividly remember the jocks insisting that contagious, AIDS carrying gays (to them that was all gays) don't belong in school.
It would be interesting to watch ongoing studies that examine the trends in racism and homophobia in school (and college campuses). It would be telling to see whether the two trend with each other. GLSEN is a good organization, I haven't really seen much on this. I should dig around at Ampersand.
It's made quite the resurgence, unfortunately.
Really? In what age group? The teens I know are very supportive of gay rights. But that is not, of course, scientific data.
People who have only know privilege perceive equality as discrimination.
immanentize
Ramen, brother.
but some of my best friends are jews
Well, I hope that "that's so gay" has fallen out of favor again, Five years ago, it was everywhere. (My 15 year old is still asleep, or I'd ask.)
This is excellant advice. Thanks. )
Oh, "South Park" has done its part to bring it back.
Oy!
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Dartanyon
One of the things I'm not thrilled with "South Park" for, but that's the nature of a so-called equal opportunity offender, I guess. Doesn't help the less-intelligent kids separate the messages, unfortunately.
But that's not to say the kids aren't markedly more gay-friendly than even my day (10 years ago or so). In the last 2 years, I've worked on a couple of cases where gay students were being treated unfairly by their school administration, and each student had the full support of the community. So that much is good news, I think.
I did not know that -- this month is "finish the G.D. article" month and I would be happy (even eager) to have some kindly eyes critique it.
More than happy to. Use the e-mail that appears this one time only....
Arthur wants me now...
Who was that politician who made that incredibly racist comment about black people and loose shoes? That saying had gone out of my head (thank god) until just now.
Bottom Line: They are getting theirs. If the thing goes bust, fuck it.
Same thing happening with the deficit and tax cuts.
This is exactly right.
And they're in a hurry too, not much untapped reserves of wealth to loot anymore.
Eventually they will have to eat their own......
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immanentize, I'm interested in reading your paper. Would you be willing to send it to me when you've completed it?
When I taught high school, I was considered nutty because I banned my student's favorite insult from my class: "that's so gay!
I use that expression with queer friends and known sympaticos, but never in a mixed crowd.
GWPDA
When it comes to putting one's foot into mouth I am an expert. Even when what I said was perfectly fine.
res,
Weirdly, even kids who believe in gay rights use it. They just don't make the connection.
Got the news this AM that the CIA has killed Al Qaeda no three---again!!
These number three guys are like the Homecoming soldiers; you can kill them but they keep popping back up.
I don't think of myself as racist, but I know that experience influences my view of whites.
Fuck you, you pompous bloviating piece of shit.
We smell awful after awhile, a real buzzkill.
Who was that politician who made that incredibly racist comment about black people and loose shoes? That saying had gone out of my head (thank god) until just now.
Arabella
Earl Butz.
These number three guys are like the Homecoming soldiers; you can kill them but they keep popping back up.
Do you get a tiara when you're promoted to AQ #3?
res,
Weirdly, even kids who believe in gay rights use it. They just don't make the connection.
NYMary
It was the first thing to spring to mind when I read Ampersand's post.
It's "have known."
masculine_monica_nyc,
In that sense, I guess it would be akin to the word nigger," but I don't think there was any witty, in-joke subtext for these teens.
Fuck you, you pompous bloviating piece of shit.
Paul
**takes a couple practice swings**
ssssswisssssssshhh. ssssswissssssshhh
What? Oh, nothing.
Even when what I said was perfectly fine.
EkCenTriK
All you can do is smile and look helpless in that case. Learn to apologise sincerely. Stuff happens.
Scotty's spin is African-Americans have done better economically since Bush was installed -- far better than when The Clenis was president.
Also, the Bush administration has so many more high profile blacks than The Clenis' administration.
I guess Condi Rice and her 1950's double process accounts for 12 African Americans.
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I think you're right Mary. My neices and nephews seem to use it as part of their everyday speak. Interestingly, when I'm around, sometimes they look at me nervously after letting it "slip." I usually say something like "Hello? Right here."
For me it's as simple as the N word. Everyone knows it's wrong. Should be the same for arbitrary slurs against any group.
Ok, who taught fy how to use the carriage return?
In the last 2 years, I've worked on a couple of cases where gay students were being treated unfairly by their school administration, and each student had the full support of the community. So that much is good news, I think.
I think this varies widely, depending on the particular community. A nephew of mine who is gay, black and HIV+ and his friends are getting no end of harrassment at the school where they are, and the school and parents of the asshole students are doing fuck-all about it.
"Aeon Flux got hammered by Rotten Tomatoes. 13% with 28 reviews so far. Yikes.
Chauncy Gardner"
i was wondering, after seeing some ads on teevee, what the fuck is with all these movies with people flying thru the air and shit? it's like peter pan with weapons. seems like every fucking movie has gotta have some people flying thru the air.
i've never been able to get sci-fi.
fy,
another day another ip adress.
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good morning folks
not you, asshole
Earl Butz?
Hahahahahahaha!
Brother of Harry Butz.
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i've never been able to get sci-fi.
jdw
When it comes to Hollywood's treatment of science fiction, Sturgeon's Law should be applied twice.
Sometimes, three times.
i've never been able to get sci-fi.
jdw
When it comes to Hollywood's treatment of science fiction, Sturgeon's Law should be applied twice.
Sometimes, three times.
Ok, who taught fy how to use the carriage return?
Death of Rats
I am SO tired of him.
He said "fuck you" to me last night when I said we should bar the little bastard.
I said I wouldn't give him the pleasure!
Jay C,
Well, as EkCenTriK noted upthread, many of us were raised with bith racial and ethnic slurs as part of our linguistic contours. Think of phrases like "That's mighty white of you" or "jerry-rigging" (sometimes heard as "nigger-rigging" or "jew then=m down"--my parents didn't use those phrases, but my uncles sure did. And they have a meaning which, arguably, exeeds their racist content. But it doesn't erase their racist content, certainly.
Good point, monica_nyc.
My cases were at middle class, mostly-white suburban high schools in NC. I'm certain the atmosphere wouldn't have been nearly as positive a few counties into the woods.
Would you be willing to send it to me when you've completed it?
Monica --
Of course! I will try to tell folks when it's available. I might put it up on a working paper cite -- and then I can just link to it! Ah! the modern world.
Totally OT.
I know I read "Memoirs of a Geisha" but I don't remember a word of it.
good morning folks
Mornin' Sam.
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Only nuts like Bush think they're gonna live forever.
"Freedom of speech"?
This one is defeating its stated purpose...
Fuck you, you pompous bloviating piece of shit.
Paul
Needs a huge cup of coffee, I see.
Or his meds.
I just looked up the Earl Butz "loose shoes" comment and I don't get it.
Butz said (while on Air Force One during Gerald Ford's re-election campaign): "I'll tell you what the coloreds want. It's three things: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit."
WTF? does "loose shoes" allude to?
It's CEO sold it to Proctor & Gamble for a dubious price but he will collect over $160 million in the sale of his Gillette stock.
Exactly. The original venture capitalists that bought my company 10 years ago took my company's pension money (highly funded as the work force averaged 20-25 years with the company), & spread that out over the company that we merged with, diluting our pensions. It was a smart move on their part as they didn't "steal" the pension, they jsut made it so that the people that earned the pension would have to work an average of 8 more years to get the same amount.
Then, they pocketed all the money that would have otherwise funded the pension plan for about 5 years. Then
they got bored, borrowed $400 million against the company, pocketed that, sent the company into bankruptcy (chap 11) and walked.
Good work if you can get it.
In that sense, I guess it would be akin to the word nigger," but I don't think there was any witty, in-joke subtext for these teens.
In a way, yes. But because of the historical differences, the words "nigger" and "gay"/"fag"/ "dyke" still have different cultural currencies, even among different groups of speakers.
Only nuts like Bush think they're gonna live forever.
Tim Finnegan
and this guy...
http://www.technologyreview.com/
...ature_aging.asp
A Freeper tackles cipherin':
Isn't it amazing how all the material to build all the things that fill the stores just happened to be found on the same planet as a being smart enough to take advantage of it. But don't worry folks, its all an accident, even if the odds of finding all these things in one place, do not have a number large enough to express those odds.
Paramount didn't pre-release Aeon Flux for review -- a guaranteed sign it's a stinker and the studio didn't want critics to tank it.
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fy?
I dunno, Y not?
Gotta go out with my son and buy some groceries for the most outstanding chili ever consumed -- a true bowl of Texas Red. No beanie weanie bullshit, neither!
A nephew of mine who is gay, black and HIV+ and his friends are getting no end of harrassment at the school where they are, and the school and parents of the asshole students are doing fuck-all about it.
masculine_monica_nyc
In my experience, prejudice increases not linearly, but exponentially when there'a more than one of the usual prejudicial factors present. That is, it could be okay to have a friend who was gay, or black, or positive, for your average middle-class white kid, but not more than one, and certainly not all three. My brother's partner is black, and I know he's had experiences because of that that my brother will never have.
Someone needs to teach America about the difference between race and ethnicity. Also someone needs to point out that both race and ethnicity are defined by the USA census bureau in a very arbitrary manner, which in turn defines these categories for the the MSM. Just ask a hispanic from Peru if he feels he is the same ethnicity as a Hispanic from Pureto Rico.
Like wise, I'm a bit tired of hearing morons use a term like African-American to describe a black from France. By definition, you must be from the Americas to be an African-American.
OT, but for those who love gadgets...!
Ah, good ol' Earl... I always thought the loose shoes part was about laziness.
He was a strong proponent of the go-go 'farm fence-row to fence row' mentality of the mid '70s that damn near broke two generations of farmers in the early '80s- so his stupidity had a pretty wide range.
Think of phrases like "That's mighty white of you" or "jerry-rigging" (sometimes heard as "nigger-rigging" or "jew then=m down"--my parents didn't use those phrases, but my uncles sure did.
NYMary, you should cut your uncles a break on "jerry rigging":
World Wide Words
res ipsa I think the "loose shoes" thing is about the shoes they give you when you come out of jail.
**splits a hair on edge of scythe**
**taps foot**
Of course! I will try to tell folks when it's available. I might put it up on a working paper cite -- and then I can just link to it!
Excellent! I look forward to reading it.
Gotta go out with my son and buy some groceries for the most outstanding chili ever consumed -- a true bowl of Texas Red. No beanie weanie bullshit, neither!
Recipe?!?!?!
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Fuck you, you pompous bloviating piece of shit.
Nothing pisses off a racist more than being exposed as such.
, I was bussed to a black school. I remember being amazed at how destructive the black boys were to their school
Well that was certainly a racist statement.
NYMary
The word is actually jury-rigged and is a nautical term meaning something rigged for temporary use on a ship.
1/2 the people I work/go to school with are Carribean. Am I supposed to call them African/American too?
Butz said (while on Air Force One during Gerald Ford's re-election campaign): "I'll tell you what the coloreds want. It's three things: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit."
That was the day I realized, to my surprise, I was colored.
Who knew???
GWPDA
I had a very minor incident a few weeks back. I made a remark to a co-worker who is hispanic about his reaching majority. The context was age. He got stiff and I could tell I had pissed him off somehow. I had to think of what the helll I had said and suddenly realized he didn't know what I had meant. So I explained. I had to get someone to confirm my meaning just to assure him. I take it the use of the word 'majority' in terms of becoming a legal adult is falling away in usage.
The word is actually jury-rigged and is a nautical term meaning something rigged for temporary use on a ship.
Toonscribe
Racist!
Oh, wait... sorry.
I'll come in again.
Well, the dentist has finished torturing me for another week.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.
1/2 the people I work/go to school with are Carribean. Am I supposed to call them African/American too?
You could always ask them!
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It's fascinating stuff. I also wonder how homophobia and racism are distributed between the sexes (and how they're distributed with geography, and how they're distributed with income, and how they're ...). Sometimes, I'm very thankful I'm in a branch of science where I can readily (well, much of the time) identify confounding factors and influences in my stats.
Morning, Bats!
You could always ask them!
Hopefully, they would either laugh or slap me for asking such a silly question, especially since I've known all my co-workers/fellow students for a couple of years now.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.
And I thought that "goyls" was the appropriate term.
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In my experience, prejudice increases not linearly, but exponentially when there'a more than one of the usual prejudicial factors present.
Yeah, that's my experience too, NYMary.
Someone needs to teach America about the difference between race and ethnicity. Also someone needs to point out that both race and ethnicity are defined by the USA census bureau in a very arbitrary manner, which in turn defines these categories for the the MSM
Absolutely.
The word is actually jury-rigged and is a nautical term meaning something rigged for temporary use on a ship.
I assumed it was a derivation of German, and that it came from WW2.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.
It is among my group, certainly. But only with people of roughly the same age. Not, say, professionals that you run into on the street.
Morning, Bats!
Hecate Malificent
Racist!!!
Oh, shit.
I'm not very good at this, am I?
**pulls hood over face, muttering**
Like wise, I'm a bit tired of hearing morons use a term like African-American to describe a black from France. By definition, you must be from the Americas to be an African-American.
Troutski
what about a arab from Egypt or a white from South Africa? It seems to me that that term is more a state of mind rather than a accurate definition of one's ethnicity...Personally, I just call myself an american...it would be quite tedious to say I'm a russian, dutch, german, english, scotch american...even though my family has been here less than 100 years.
I've always felt wierd about identifying somebody that way...
I woke up this morning with an intense hatred for Santa Claus and each and every one of his fucking reindeer.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.
Dang! I thought we were "chicks."
I need to make another pot of coffee.
Would someone mind tossing a donut or three over the transom?
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NyMary
You got the phrase that bedevils me. ---Rigging.
I substitute a reference to Rube Goldberg ... but then I have to explain who he is and why I use it.
he'd accuse me of being a "spoiled white woman living off my daddy's trust fund in my midtown apartment."
I thought we all lived off welfare.
I woke up this morning with an intense hatred for Santa Claus and each and every one of his fucking reindeer.
Lime Rickey
Bowl full of jelly my ass!
1/2 the people I work/go to school with are Carribean. Am I supposed to call them African/American too?
I wouldn't, if I were you.
NYMary, if you missed it, I posted a link earlier to a description of the history of "jury rigged."
Old Earl Butz is in a warm place now, but probably not taking a shit.
I thought we all lived off welfare.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Don't forget simultaneously being powerless and in control of the media. It's good dissonance.
I woke up this morning with an intense hatred for Santa Claus and each and every one of his fucking reindeer.
Lime Rickey
I actually said something very similar to my dentist not more than an hour ago.
NYMary, I'll just stick with my default position of calling people by their names. What a concept...
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.
Dang! I thought we were "chicks."
NYMary
I don't like either one of those terms.
anon: I don't get the same impression of Pendragon as you do, but I guess that's just me!
Bye bye, Bugman.
Oh please, please. They just can't seem to run the House efficiently without him.
Thanks, CEA. I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one with that misapprehension!
What about "stiffing" your waitress?
I take it the use of the word 'majority' in terms of becoming a legal adult is falling away in usage.
EkCenTriK
I've only ever heard the term used in the phrase 'age of majority,' and yes, I think it's largely obsolete.
I take it the use of the word 'majority' in terms of becoming a legal adult is falling away in usage.
EkCenTriK
I've only ever heard the term used in the phrase 'age of majority,' and yes, I think it's largely obsolete.
Earl Butz?
Hahahahahahaha!
Brother of Harry Butz.
And Bertha Butt... one of the Butt Sisters...
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.
As always, it depends on the context. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.Entre nous may be as may be - from a 30 year old male? Not so much.
It appears Steve Gilliard has identified watertiger's troll of "rich white girl" fame.
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.co...s-on-
radio.html
Ampersand was always one of the most astute commenters on Usenet, back when usenet was something more than spam
NYMary, I'll just stick with my default position of calling people by their names. What a concept...
BlakNo1
Commie egghead. Don't you understand you're supposed to classify, and then dismiss, people with broad brush strokes? How are we ever gonna make a wingnut out of you?
Brother of Harry Butz.
What of Seymour?
Jonah is still pretty upset about the 10 dead marines
SPEAKING OF MUSIC [Jonah Goldberg]
I decided to download some Styx this morning, mostly out of nostalgia.
I take it the use of the word 'majority' in terms of becoming a legal adult is falling away in usage.
EkCenTriK
Only heard it in the legal sense.
Hey, iPod owners, what's a good headphone replacement for the set that comes with the machine?
And a good FM transmitter?
later folks. I'm off to pick up my welfare check that I'll promptly donate to planned parent hood.
Well that was certainly a racist statement.
The poster is saying that his very limited experience with black people continues to inform his opinion of us, isn't he?
Oh, on TCM right now, Ginger Rogers in _The Major and the Minor_.
speaking of "girls".
Ya gotta wonder what the hell Live 8 was thinking. Of COURSE Anna Nicole Smith was going to show up drunk and "scantily clad." "Demure" ain't exactly in her vocabulary.
Of course, many polysyllabic words aren't in her vocabulary.
yeah, I think the real problem with girl was it's use of a dimunitive by 30 year old middle managers in referring their 60 year old secretaries. Since that usage has faded I think the term is less intrinsically offensive, though certainly not always appropriate...
dave...gotta get some headphones from shure...and skip the fm trnas if possible and get something hardwired
Brother of Harry Butz.
What of Seymour?
His sister is, of course, Bubble Butz.
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Ya gotta wonder what the hell Live 8 was thinking. Of COURSE Anna Nicole Smith was going to show up drunk and "scantily clad." "Demure" ain't exactly in her vocabulary.
Has SCOTUS heard her case yet?
"I'm ready for my close-up, Justice Roberts..."
"Butz said (while on Air Force One during Gerald Ford's re-election campaign): "I'll tell you what the coloreds want. It's three things: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit."
That was the day I realized, to my surprise, I was colored."
same here...maybe i can be an honorary colored person..
Who knew???
dave™
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.co...s-on- radio.html
hoooo-lee fuck!
I knew a girl in HS who actually preferred to be called a bitch. I think she may have had a few issues, but she was just an all-around badass.
I even called her "bitch" a few times in conversation, kind of in a joking way, when what I really meant was "goddess."
I think I'm still in love with the crazy bint.
I thought we all lived off welfare.
Republicans have been living off corporate welfare for decades.
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hoooo-lee fuck!
It is kind of amazing, isn't it?
I think I'm still in love with the crazy bint.
Death of Rats
Bint is entirely uncalled for.
aiiight, later, you racist sexist pigs. off to the private gym and $9,000 hair "styling" at the top salon in NYC where I am waited on, hand and foot, and draped in the finest cashmere.
CNN now says that the late #3, Rabia, has a missing body.
Don't know if that means they had the DB and then it evaporated, or if they couldn't scrape anything together from the exploded terrist house. If the latter, makes you wonder how they id'd him - was his passport found surprisingly intact nearby?
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Chimpy's entire radio address abouy immigration, no mention of Iraq.
Bint is entirely uncalled for.
Lime Rickey
**hacks off own foot**
Happy now?
was his passport found surprisingly intact nearby?
freshly laundered and pressed
"jerry-rigging" (sometimes heard as "nigger-rigging"
I had a very intelligent and well-liked colleague at a biothech company I was working at some years ago use the term "Afro-engineering". He seemed to think he was mighty clever. I was not terribly amused, but didn't really feel like I was in a position to say anything about it. Knowing him to the extent that I did, it was hard for me to believe that he really harbored any hate in his heart, but I guess you never know. I'm pretty sure if I were black, he would never have used such a term.
"I think it's largely obsolete."
Hmm I leave to refill the tea glass and return to find I am an old fogey. Why , why do I come here?
This isn't the first time this has happened (Not in the sense of mistaken bigotry or such). I use quite a few phrases that seem to be completely out of date suddenly and folks do not know what the hell I am talking about.
Anna Nicole Smith is a riot when she's drunk and mumbling -- that's why she's invited to guest.
No one wants to see her march on stage in pantsuit and orate on macro economics in South America.
Duh!
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I'm crazy about this blog.
But now, I must tread.
I'm still puzzled why they involved Anna Nicole Smith in the first place. I know you need to make the thing star-studded, but couldn't you scratch her and still maybe succeed?
Sorry if this is old news - but has everyone taken a look at the Human Race Machine by artist Nancy Burson?
Brilliant!
I use quite a few phrases that seem to be completely out of date suddenly and folks do not know what the hell I am talking about.
EkCenTriK
Be of good cheer, old chum. I'm sure that on the morrow you'll be right as rain.
Part of the issue of racism is our own failure to acknowledge Whiteness. It brings privledge, such as being less likely to be "randomly" stopped by the police, followed by a store clerk, have car doors suddenly locked when we are around, etc. etc.
Just the recognition that as whites we have this privledge is a big step to undoing racism. Recognize it, think about it.
Racism does not always mean bigotry and prejudice. More often for most progressives its simply the state of NOT recognizing that we live in a society in which race creates barriers. Unless we are intentionally doing something to undo the situation we are contributing to it. Americans are defacto racists in that we benefit from the social structure that gives whites an advantage (no matter of what size) over non-white.
Ok I'm a racist, I benefit. I see that I try to deal with it, I'm willing to talk about it, I'm willing to change, but I'll likely always be a racist. No I'm not a bigot. I'm not a cnadidate for White Power or the KKK... I'm a white american thats all.
I use quite a few phrases that seem to be completely out of date suddenly and folks do not know what the hell I am talking about.
EkCenTriK
Somehow, overnight, you've become a --
*****CANADIAN*********
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yawn. scratch. mornin' folks.
I use quite a few phrases that seem to be completely out of date suddenly and folks do not know what the hell I am talking about.
EkCenTriK
Don't sweat it. "You fucking asshole" was out of date for a while but now it's made a comeback.
Bit of a slow morning, innit?
**reattaches foot**
It will be nice when the internets fix themselves.
Who knew ferrets were allowed long weekends to get ready for the holidays.
More Stumpy
BBC -- Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf has since confirmed the report when asked if it was true.
"Yes indeed, 200%. I think he was killed the day before yesterday if I'm not wrong," he told journalists in Kuwait as he arrived for an official visit.
Tens of thousands of Pakistani soldiers have been deployed along the border
Pakistan's Information Minister Sheikh Rashid says he was head of the group's international operations.
"He was very important in al Qaeda. He was maybe Number Three or Five," the minister told Reuters.
But local tribesmen describe him as a low-level activist.
The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says it is not clear how important Hamza Rabia was in al-Qaeda.
"You fucking asshole" was out of date for a while but now it's made a comeback.
Lime Rickey
The classics never go out of style.
"You fucking asshole" is the navy blue of swearing.
referring to grown women as "girls" somehow seems acceptable again.....Entre nous may be as may be - from a 30 year old male? Not so much.
I think the contextual dependence there is more than just the gender of who's talking. When my wife leaves me with our son to go drinking with some of her female friends and I say "So it's a girls' night out, then?" I am 100% certain that no offense is taken, any more than if she were referring to a "boys' night out" in the converse situation.
I think just about anybody could readily think of quite a few similar situations where the diminutive gender term is nothing more than an endearment and is as such completely non-toxic. It hearkens much more to the days of gender-segregated school cliques than to patriarchal institutions.
Obviously there are also quite a few contexts -- notably professional situations -- where there is no place for approaching this line, but you can't just say that "girls" used to refer to a group of grown women is always bad coming out of the mouth of a grown man. That is an overgeneralization.
the thig about the whole racism issue is that it is not black and white. more like brown and peach. or burnt sienna. maybe salmon if you've been in the sun too long.
everyone is at least a little racist.
everyone is at least a little sexist.
everyone is at least a little culturalist.
everyone is at least a little homosexual.
the nice thing about rational beings is the ability to be, well, rational. making a humorous observation about obvious differences in generalities isn't the same as forming a lynch mob. the trick is simply to recognize the difference and treat people equally. not identically, equally.
and that means more than just let them live next door without burning a menora in their front yard.
CEA's take - I live in the middle of a Sherlock Holmes novel.
GWPDA - I have turned Canadian
Lime Rickey - I can make a comeback as Don Rickles.
Somehow...I feel doomed.
Morning Batties -
"You fucking asshole" was out of date for a while but now it's made a comeback.
Lime Rickey
The classics never go out of style.
Death of Rats
My favorite way of referring to the fucking asshole in the White House.
Hi Tena!
(notice i didn't wait for a drummer story)
I was raised to show proper manners (brought up by southerners), but I was surprised to learn that word usage was not really an issue in the circles I ran with growing up.
In retrospect it was a good thing for the other males in these groups that the females didn't give a shit about labels one way or the other, because if you ever ACTUALLY offended them, your body would never be found.
The fun just keeps tumbling in.
Posted on Sat, Dec. 03, 2005
Lott chastises Bush
State not part of U.S. recovery
By GEOFF PENDER
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sun...ld/
13317872.htm
SUN HERALD
President Bush said Friday that the future of the U.S. economy is "as bright as it's been in a long time," but U.S. Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., promptly issued a statement that Bush might be forgetting something.
Mississippi.
Lott urged Bush "not to leave Mississippi behind in the nation's recovery," and recalled Bush's promise to South Mississippians on his first visit after Katrina on Sept. 2.
"The president said, 'The good news is - and it's hard for some to see it now - that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. My attitude is, if it's not going exactly right, we're going to make it go exactly right. If there's problems, we're going to address the problems," Lott quoted Bush.
Lott said, "Mr. President, the recovery is not going exactly right. Three months after Katrina, 42 percent of the travel trailers required for those still homeless have not been delivered by FEMA. Winter is coming to Mississippi, and too many people are still living in tents or carports. Three months after the hurricane, only an estimated one-quarter of the storm's debris has been removed in most areas, and too many neighborhoods have had none removed."
snip
"This economy is in good shape," Bush said with a smile.
etc.
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Heart cockles entering warm mode.
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That is an overgeneralization.
blerb
I think you're right. "You go, mature woman" doesn't quite have the same ring as "You go, girl."
I was raised to show proper manners (brought up by southerners), but I was surprised to learn that word usage was not really an issue in the circles I ran with growing up.
well, bless your heart!
everyone is at least a little racist.
everyone is at least a little sexist.
everyone is at least a little culturalist.
everyone is at least a little homosexual.
dirk gently, pinkish
Everyone's a little queer,
Why can't you be a little straight?
"Pink Triangle, Weezer
Pinkerton was sadly underrated.
i've been in the south for @ 10 years, and the politeness drives me nuts.
no one can say "no" if you ask them to do something. so you call a plumber and they say sure, they'll be right over; but they know damn well they wont be. give me a good old honest new jersey "fuck, no" anytime.
btw, "bless his heart" is code for "what an idiot"; hence the "only kidding" emoticon.
GODDAM CLOSE QUOTES!!!!!!!
I'm so ashamed.
**studies scythe closely**
**solitary tear falls**
heya moonbats
difted off to work on a research portfolio for one of my ancient history modules.
we have to do a commentary on a literary passage, a commentary on a Greek or Roman inscription and discussion of the importance of a recent archaeological excavation or field project for Ancient History.
we don't have an exam in Jan.
Anyone know how the wingers are feeling this morning about zombie vets who just want to vote?
Good morning, folks!
Things look civil around here today. I think that when people start to behave like jerks around here, we need to call them out on it.
I'm not talking about civil disagreements, I'm talking about assholes with egos who think they have the right to diss people for their beliefs. I've seen a lot of it here in the last little while, and I don't like it.
Hi Tena!
(notice i didn't wait for a drummer story)
dirk gently,pinkish
Thanks - it's a little early in the day for drummers I have fucked.
"Anyone know how the wingers are feeling this morning about zombie vets who just want to vote?
Tena"
Well, if we are lucky, they have boarded up the doors and are huddling in the dark for fear it was all true and not just a movie.
Everyone's a little queer,
Why can't you be a little straight?
"Pink Triangle, Weezer
i did say "at least", but point well taken. i know some gay men who would NEVER admit to it, though.
but then everyone is at least a little homophobic, too.
Honky tonking or parking in fire lanes? See the USA in yo' Chevrolet.
difted off to work on a research portfolio for one of my ancient history modules.
Moonbootica, Hetaera
If I were rich or, god forbid, British, I would study Classics in a heartbeat.
But I am neither, so it's accounting for me!
Good morning, peeps. We have fresh pumpkin loaf.
Vicki, don't let the assholes get you down. Don't worry about them.
It's an open forum and it's going to happen, but you can ignore it if you aren't in the mood.
we don't have an exam in Jan.
Moonbootica, Hetaera | Email | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:19 am | #
lucky you. i have one coming up, and it's not going to be pleasant.
when a guy reaches a certain age...
Dirk,
I meant no commentary on your post. It just reminded me of a song I liked.
Seriously, I'm not that bright.
The comment ablut whites being in denial rings true. I thought; Black Irish...
It's an open forum and it's going to happen, but you can ignore it if you aren't in the mood.
Tena
can we flame back?
please? oh, please?
I meant no commentary on your post. It just reminded me of a song I liked.
no, no! it was a good point! very apropos, intended or not!
Am I confused? Perhaps.
Discombobulated? Well, ok.
Aroused? You bet!
Good morning, peeps. We have fresh pumpkin loaf.
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
mmmmmmm - with a little softened cream cheese, please?
Vicki, don't let the assholes get you down. Don't worry about them.
It's an open forum and it's going to happen, but you can ignore it if you aren't in the mood.
I suppose you're right, Tena. I know it's bugging a number of people here, because they've mentioned it to me. I don't like to see regular, long time posters, especially those who offer thoughtful commentary in a respectful manner, being dissed by some of the newer folks.
Having said that, I'm just going to start calling them on it.
That's one of the things wrong with our country, the entitlement to rudeness.
Anyone know how the wingers are feeling this morning about zombie vets who just want to vote?
They are too busy trying to draft "September 12th Republicans" like Ron Silver and Dennis Miller to make their own movie about zombie terrorists who hates us for our freedom.
Oh, and good morning all!
FBI Is Taking Another Look at Forged Prewar Intelligence
http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...-home-
headlines
By Peter Wallsten, Tom Hamburger and Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writers
WASHINGTON — The FBI has reopened an inquiry into one of the most intriguing aspects of the pre-Iraq war intelligence fiasco: how the Bush administration came to rely on forged documents linking Iraq to nuclear weapons materials as part of its justification for the invasion.
etc.
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Breath is not in holding mode.
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historical events today
# 1818 - Illinois becomes the 21st U.S. state.
# 1828 - In the U.S. Presidential election, challenger Andrew Jackson beats incumbent John Quincy Adams and is elected President of the United States.
# 1901 - US President Theodore Roosevelt delivers a 20,000-word speech to the House of Representatives asking Congress curb the power of trusts "within reasonable limits".
# 1964 - Berkeley Free Speech Movement: Police arrest over 800 students at the University of California, Berkeley, following their takeover and sit-in at the administration building in protest at the UC Regents' decision to forbid Vietnam War protests on UC property.
# 1971 - Indo-Pakistani War of 1971: After Pakistan launches airstrikes on Indian airfields, India retaliates by invading East Pakistan.
Dirk--that we have. Enjoy.
Sally uses a washcloth in the shower and scrubs herself!!
hahahahaha! good one, CS.
cont.
# 1984 - Bhopal Disaster: A methyl isocyanate leak from a Union Carbide pesticide plant in Bhopal, India, kills more than 3,800 people outright and injures 150,000-600,000 others (some 6,000 of whom would later die from their injuries) in one of the worst industrial disasters in history.
# 1997 - In Ottawa, Canada, representatives from 121 countries sign a treaty prohibiting manufacture and deployment of anti-personnel landmines. The United States, People's Republic of China, and Russia do not sign the treaty, however.
Hey Central S!~
(What does "S" stand for? Can I come up with my own word? I have a few in mind...)
can we flame back?
please? oh, please?
Hey, I'm not blog monitor. You can do what you want.
Go ahead, flame away. Are you flaming me?
(what's up with the internets this morning? Blogs aren't loading...)
Chimpy's entire radio address abouy immigration, no mention of Iraq.
P O'Neill
Rove and Condi change the tape?
dirk gently,
Read some of the letters. It's amazing that some people just don't get satire.
Would someone mind tossing a donut or three over the transom?
::Baker's dozen over, for the Embigulator™::
Vicki - oh I was just talking trolls. I should have let your comment go - I didn't know you were talking about something else.
That's one of the things wrong with our country, the entitlement to rudeness.
Vicki
Well, manners are just for elitists and furriners.
They invented all that high-falutin' stuff in France, ya know.
The comment ablut whites being in denial rings true. I thought; Black Irish...
Tim Finnegan
"and we're the blacks of Dublin. so say it, and say it loud. i'm black and i'm proud!"
126 quatloos for 1st correct attribution.
An oldie but a goodie, via my brother in Japan:
A Letter to the Red States
We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states
pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners), 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue St
Vicki,
It can be anything you want it to be. Go for it!
Feed not the trolls. Luckily the stupid die faster.
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Oh, I see that the mental case is with us.
Fucking Yahoo.
The little shithead without a life.
fy's back.
**sheathes scythe**
**pulls flamethrower out of robes**
Black people love us!
I remember the first time I saw that site.
HighLarious,
Thanks for the mornin' chuckle, CentralS.
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126 quatloos for 1st correct attribution.
dirk gently,olivehue
The Commitments
I own some Dixie Chicks CDs.
I think that makes me doubly guilty.
Hey Central Sweetie (ha ha) ~
That Black People Love us thing was Fucking Hilarious!
Where do you find this shit?
also today
EVENTS: In 1910 neon lighting developed by the Frenchman Georges Claude was displayed for the first time at the Paris Motor Show; in 1967 Christiaan Barnard carried out the world’s first heart transplant at Groote Schuur Hospital, Cape Town;
DEATHS: Pierre-Auguste Renoir, painter, died in Cagnes, France, 1919; Sir Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists, died in Orsay, France, 1980
Al-Qaida denies Pakistan death claim
Al-Qaida has denied claims made by President Pervez Musharraf that one of their operatives has died in an explosion in a northwestern Pakistan tribal area.
Musharraf, arriving in Kuwait at the start of a three-nation visit to the Middle East, said on Saturday that Hamza Rabia was among five people killed in an explosion on Thursday in North Waziristan, a tribal region bordering Afghanistan.
"Yes, indeed, 200% confirmed," Musharraf said.
But Dubai-based satellite TV channel Al-Arabiya said on Saturday that it had been contacted by a person claiming to be from al-Qaida who denied that Rabia had been killed.
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
Don't forget that they think caveman rode dinosaurs to church.
Read some of the letters. It's amazing that some people just don't get satire.
Central Scrutinizer | Email | 12.03.05 - 11:30 am | #
that is so often the case.
Go ahead, flame away. Are you flaming me?
tena, i would never flame you. unless you said something mindbogglingly fucking stupid.
(what's up with the internets this morning? Blogs aren't loading...)
that idiot fy has diarreah again, it clogs the pipes.
That damn penguin is addictive.
Moon, dearie? discussion of the importance of a recent archaeological excavation or field project for Ancient History.
This might be a good time to investigate the consequences of 'de-excavation' in Baghdad....
The Commitments
Death of Rats | 12.03.05 - 11:32 am | #
damn, i've got to come up with some more obscure referrences, or a dumber blogsite.
the quatloos are in your account. they may be used to purchase flame retardant.
FLAME ON!
**flamethrower sputters, low on fuel**
DRAT.
"and we're the blacks of Dublin. so say it, and say it loud. i'm black and i'm proud!"
126 quatloos for 1st correct attribution.
dirk gently,olivehue | Email | 12.03.05 - 11:31 am | #
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i think it was from "the commitments".
All right, after a night of awesome sleep and sexy dreams, I am in need of coffee.
Going to start the coffee pot, be right back.
And I have a question for you animal people out there...
As you know, I got a kitty this year. Cosmo. He's the coolest. I'm a little concerned about the fact that my friend is delivering a couple of poinsettias to me this afternoon. I know they can be toxic. Does anyone know if they are toxic to kitties? Because Cos will surely try to munch on it.
::Baker's dozen over, for the Embigulator™::
Many thanks Monica.
mmmmmmmmmm sprinkles.........
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More correctly - "the first human heart transplant".
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Births
# 368 - King Charles VI of France (d. 1422)
# 1826 - George McClellan, U.S. Civil War general (d. 1885)
# 1948 - Ozzy Osbourne, British singer
# 1949 - Mickey Thomas, American singer (Jefferson Starship)
# 1960 - Daryl Hannah, American actor
# 1960 - Julianne Moore, American actor
the stupid die faster
All trolls, please repeat after me: "hey, guys, watch this!"
three more GI's killed today in Iraq
GWPDA lol well i shall give it some thought.
i was going for Pompeii but we'll see
A Freeper tackles "evos":
"In the human body, there are 300 trillion cells, and each "knows" what part it must play in the growing organism. To this day, embryologists have no idea how this happens — even though they have been trying to figure it out for 150 years."
And evos think this could have happened by chance.
(looooooong eyeroll)
Also stop removing my posted comments.
(Fuck him - CONTINUE to remove his bullshit)
Are you afraid that the truth about your banning and censoring will become known?
(The truth being that you repeatedly post inane nonsense that no one cares about and that is just putting people off more and more.)
I assumed it was a derivation of German, and that it came from WW2.
Jury-rigged is derived through Old French ajurie (relief) from Latin -- adjuditare, meaning to help. According to my Webster's Unabridged.
btw, "bless his heart" is code for "what an idiot"; hence the "only kidding" emoticon.
dirk gently,olivehue
AWRIGHT - WHO TOLD?????????
damn death of rats.
SQUEAK
That damn penguin is addictive.
Fld2lng | Email | 12.03.05 - 11:34 am | #
yeah , but 18 straight hours is a bit much, don't you think?
Does anyone know if they are toxic to kitties? Because Cos will surely try to munch on it.
Vicki
They are very toxic to pets.
Kent,
Tou're welcome!
Where do you find this shit?
Vicki
IIRC, someone here linked to it long ago. Very funny stuff.
deaths
# 1048 - Al-Biruni, mathematician
# 1154 - Pope Anastasius IV
# 1533 - Vasili III, Grand Prince of Moscow (b. 1479)
# 1894 - Robert Louis Stevenson, British writer (b. 1850)
# 1919 - Pierre-Auguste Renoir, French impressionist painter (b. 1841)
Vicki, to keep kitties away from things, either put vick's vaporub on them, or spray them with a cayenne pepper mixture which repel both cats and dogs
this is a good way to keep cats from chewing electrical cords as well
Kos dozen - what a bunch of losers
Nobody will miss that fool
fy |
(crickets)
Mmm ... DonutBreath™!
All right, after a night of awesome sleep and sexy dreams, I am in need of coffee.
[burbles incoherently, wipes drool from chin]
Kos should be taken done for good
He is just a plant for the Repugs
Kos dozen - what a bunch of losers
Nobody will miss that fool
fy?
Nope. Doesn't scan.
Try again, asswipe.
If your kitten is a plant nibbler then remove any plants which may be poisonous, for example Dieffenbachia (dumb cane), Poinsettia, Lily of the Valley, Christmas Cherry, Castor Oil plant, Avocado plant, rubber plant and ivy. Most cats will not touch such plants but kittens may be more inquisitive.
From a site I'm too lazy to link to this morning, but whoop, they it is.
As you know, I got a kitty this year. Cosmo. He's the coolest. I'm a little concerned about the fact that my friend is delivering a couple of poinsettias to me this afternoon. I know they can be toxic. Does anyone know if they are toxic to kitties? Because Cos will surely try to munch on it.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:35 am | #
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i wouldn't worry about it much. i have had many cats over the years. never took very good care of any of them and they all seemed to thrive.
wipes drool from chin
After a night of sexy dreams, are you sure that's drool?
(BAD Dobby!)
tena, i would never flame you. unless you said something mindbogglingly fucking stupid.
It's been known to happen - I'd stand by, if I were you.
Damn weather - we had a warm front come through. Yesterday was gorgeous - 60 something, dry. Today it's going to be in the upper 80s. I hate winter here any more - this is what it's like. Shorts and tee shirts and flip flops one day, down jackets the next, back to shorts the following.
And evos think this could have happened by chance.
(looooooong eyeroll)
That cipherin' is real hard work, wrapping them pointy heads 'round science, that is.
.
Breath is not in holding mode.
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QuentinCompson
Au contraire mi ami. I think a lot of people are trying to distance themselves from the regime by proving they were used by the executive branch. The FBI will do an investigation that covers up their own complicity and plants the blame squarely somewhere else. Now who is in a weakened position and can't fight back.
It's like General Pace contradicting rumdum. When the shit hits the fan, as it is beginning to do, he'll point to his remarks and/or firing as proof that he was never really part of the cabal.
Rats come to mind.
AWRIGHT - WHO TOLD?????????
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
wondered if anyone would comment on that. it's common knowledge down here, of course.
just like "well, sure, darlin'" means "fuck you, asshole"
they sure are polite in the south.
You know what, I'm going back to bed for a couple hours.
Later, hetero pukes!
This has been another content-free post from:
A Freeper tackles "evos":
"In the human body, there are 300 trillion cells, and each "knows" what part it must play in the growing organism. To this day, embryologists have no idea how this happens — even though they have been trying to figure it out for 150 years."
And evos think this could have happened by chance.
(looooooong eyeroll)
Lime Rickey | 12.03.05 - 11:36 am | #
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ok.
1.) what that has to do with evolution is a mystery to me.
2.) evolution does not happen by chance.
Don't feed the stupid fuck or it'll scratch at your door for weeks.
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Shorts and tee shirts and flip flops one day, down jackets the next, back to shorts the following.
Tena, You can never sort out your drawers that way!
And dirk, go ahead and drool! I'm all for it. Only the man of my dreams knows what went on, though. Suffice it to say it was...dirty!
Swansea, UK
Current Nearest Observations:
cloudy 8°C (46°F)
W (16 mph)
Relative Humidity (%): 85,
Pressure (mB): 984, Rising,
Visibility: Very good
sorry, olaf, rats got to it first.
A Freeper tackles "evos":
"In the human body, there are 300 trillion cells, and each "knows" what part it must play in the growing organism. To this day, embryologists have no idea how this happens — even though they have been trying to figure it out for 150 years."
And evos think this could have happened by chance.
(looooooong eyeroll)
Lime Rickey | 12.03.05 - 11:36 am | #
i wish they would explain slime molds. totally genetically unrelated slime mold cells come together to form a plasmodium(body). this then procedes to scoot around eating stuff. this is called plasmodial streaming. probably where the idea of the "blob" comes from. anywho it's all kind of mindless and ungodly in my book.
Don't feed the stupid fuck or it'll scratch at your door for weeks.
Perfect!
Hostage envoy arrives in Baghdad
An envoy trying to negotiate the release of kidnapped Briton Norman Kember and three other Westerners being held in Iraq has landed in Baghdad.
His arrival a day after a video showing the men in captivity was screened.
Al-Jazeera quoted kidnappers saying they would kill the four men unless prisoners in Iraqi and US centres were released by 8 December.
Anas Altikriti - of Iraqi origin - has been sent by the Muslim Association of Britain, Stop the War and CND.
Iraq war opponent Mr Kember, 74, of London, was seized in Baghdad last week.
"Yes, indeed, 200% confirmed," Musharraf said.
Oh man, it must be true if it's 200%! confirmed!
That's twice the bullshit!
Tena | Thanks for that-I'm freezing my ass off.
Completely OT, but Matt Yglesias is being stupid again.
The guy who supported invading Iraq is now defending Wal-Mart.
Jesus. Big Media Matt is living up his moniker... Luckily, David Sirota jumps in to kick his ass.
Ooops, sorry. Forgot to mention that you can see Matt being stupid over at TPM Cafe.
When the shit hits the fan, as it is beginning to do, he'll point to his remarks and/or firing as proof that he was never really part of the cabal.
blogwhoring:
"And so it begins: the rush of fervent hawks -- the same ones who promised to "stay the course," constantly moved the goalposts for declaring success, accused Jack Murtha of getting his ideas from Michael Moore, and attacked antiwar critics as unpatriotic -- to disingenuously claim that they always were reluctant about the war and that substantial troop reductions in 2006 were their idea all along.
This sort of revisionism is not new. Once WWII was over, no German ever admitted supporting Adolf Hitler or the war"
to keep kitties away from things, either put vick's vaporub on them, or spray them with a cayenne pepper mixture
kittie kept jumping on our waterbed when she was young, making just the tiniest little slices so one didn't notice until waking up in wet sheets the next morning.
but i don't think vaporub would have been a good idea. talk about sliding out of bed in the morning!
our solution: keep the door closed (not 100% effective) and wait until she got very old.
matt is dumb enough to become a star pundit someday soon.
As you know, I got a kitty this year. Cosmo. He's the coolest. I'm a little concerned about the fact that my friend is delivering a couple of poinsettias to me this afternoon. I know they can be toxic. Does anyone know if they are toxic to kitties? Because Cos will surely try to munch on it.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:35 am | #
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yes they are. they are a member of the spurge family. toxic milky fluid.
http://www.botany.com/euphorbia.html
Opposition boycott gives Venezuela's Chavez chance to bolster power
CARACAS (AFP) - An opposition boycott of Sunday's legislative elections has moved President Hugo Chavez closer to locking in an overwhelming majority in the National Assembly, which could extend the increasingly influential leftist's time in power.
The small New Era party on Friday pulled out of the voting, joining the center-right Justice First, the centrist Democratic Action, Christian democratic Copei and center-right Project Venezuela. Between them the five parties have 45 seats in the legislature.
Opposition parties are protesting the use of electronic voting machines, which they say can record fingerprints so authorities can check how a person voted. They also charge the electoral council is stacked with supporters of the charismatic and outspoken president, a fierce critic of the US government.
Shorts and tee shirts and flip flops one day, down jackets the next, back to shorts the following.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:40 am | #
shorts and a down jacket is a sexy look.
just sayin.
Damn weather - we had a warm front come through. Yesterday was gorgeous - 60 something, dry. Today it's going to be in the upper 80s. I hate winter here any more - this is what it's like. Shorts and tee shirts and flip flops one day, down jackets the next, back to shorts the following.
Tena
As I sit here in long sleeved tee and sweatshirt shivering. Humph.
shorts and a down jacket is a sexy look.
just sayin.
dirk gently,olivehue
Peter Jackson chic.
Hmmm. Well, I guess I'm going to have to find out how to strategically position the poinsettias (maybe on top of the entertainment stand?), or spray them with the pepper alternative.
Thanks for the advice, everyone!
Now, how do you keep a kitty from knocking down a Christmas tree?
Al-Sistani urges religious vote
Iraq's most influential Shia figure, Grand Ayat Allah Ali al-Sistani, has told believers to vote in elections on 15 December, urging them to support religious candidates.
The instructions from al-Sistani, a reclusive spiritual figure with a strong influence among the Shia, fall short of a religious edict, but still carry tremendous weight.
It could dent the hopes of Iyad Allawi, a former prime minister whose secular Shia non-sectarian party is mounting a challenge to the ruling coalition.
A representative in al-Sistani's office on Saturday said he instructed followers to do three things: turn out to vote on the day; avoid voting for any list whose leader is not religious; and avoid voting for "weak" lists so as not to split the Shia vote.
And dirk, go ahead and drool! I'm all for it. Only the man of my dreams knows what went on, though. Suffice it to say it was...dirty!
thanks, vicki. details would only cheapen the experience.
ql in ny ~
I wrote you yesterday. I hope you received my e-mail!
Now, how do you keep a kitty from knocking down a Christmas tree?
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:50 am | #
you don't. that's why i recommend a Holiday Tree - available at lowes.
how do you keep a kitty from knocking down a Christmas tree?
Believe it or not, I actually had to install guy wires once. Tree in a corner, a couple picture hangers on both walls, and brown twine that didn't show too much.
It was just enough to keep the tree from tipping ever-so-slightly to that tipover point.
Morning bats, liberfucks, chickenbeavers, froth holes and hetero pukes.
I got nuthin!
Personally, I /want/ to be informed if I say something racist or otherwise fucked up. Not that I don't get a bit defensive, but it's better to know I'm being a jerk and to change that than to keep repeating a mistake without knowing.
However, the cliché, "everybody is a bit Xist" is really tired and seems to figure heavily into white/straight/christian/etc guilt, which is an extremely annoying phenomenon. Sometimes I feel like some of my friends keep me around to assuage their guilt about het privilege.
I got nuthin!
Nim, ham hock of liberty
I beg to differ. You snagged my sister in one wild weekend. You must have something pretty special going on.
details would only cheapen the experience.
no they wouldn't. dish, gf!
Opposition parties are protesting the use of electronic voting machines, which they say can record fingerprints so authorities can check how a person voted.
jeebus, and they call ME a conspiracy theorist!
So, Vicki, Reading anything lately?
The Committments? Nope, haven't seen it. I'm debating watching the Superbowl, because of the slight Detroit has had to endure with the whole half-time show fiasco. The Jacksons were discovered by Diana Ross and if white people don't like a little tittie with their Tostito's it's their problem and not mine. Besides all those Jacksons are from Indiana, and you want to talk about a mess..
Is "evo" a more damnable insult than "moonbat"?
Vicki, yup.
When you are talking robes are you talking Supreme Court robes? Or are you talking Pajama Media Robes with their trademarked Stink Rays? (hat tip to World o'Crap for that phrase)
My connection is going in and out again - just like always.
I don't know - I'm thoroughly disgusted at this point.
16 killed, 42 trapped in Chinese mines
BEIJING (AFP) - Sixteen workers were killed and 42 others remained trapped in two separate coal mine accidents in China, state media has reported, as the toll from a massive mine blast in the northeast rose to 169.
In the light of the disasters, a senior mine safety official Saturday ordered thousands of small, unsafe mines to close in the next three years.
The accidents were the latest disasters to strike China's mines, which are considered the most dangerous in the world, especially in recent years as demand for raw materials has escalated to help fuel rapid economic growth.
Rescuers on Saturday were trying to reach the 42 workers trapped in a flooded mine in central Henan province.
no they wouldn't. dish, gf!
T2
tsk, tsk. no imagination.
Personally, I /want/ to be informed if I say something racist or otherwise fucked up. Not that I don't get a bit defensive, but it's better to know I'm being a jerk and to change that than to keep repeating a mistake without knowing.
And you're right. We all should want to know if we're saying something that we don't recognize as sensitive to other people...
You people are always saying stuff like this about us.
Les,
That is silly. Whether you are tired of it or not, it is true.
I spend a significant portion of my life explaining the origins of prejudice and how, if you understand it, it ceases to be a problem.
Yes, we are all guilty of it: it is sort of endemic. But if you understand your mind, then you can act to counteract the effects.
Ignorance is believing that you are above such feelings and that leads to serious racism.
Britain to offer EU rebate cut - papers
LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair is offering to cut up to 1 billion pounds a year from Britain's rebate on its European Union contributions as part of efforts to secure an EU budget deal, newspapers said on Saturday.
Britain has been under pressure to accept a rebate cut to pave the way for a budget deal at a mid-December summit, which diplomats say is vital to restoring confidence after a string of setbacks for the EU.
The Guardian said Blair's offer was to cut 1 billion pounds a year from Britain's EU rebate, while the Financial Times said Britain was offering to cut the rebate by 6-9 billion euros (4-6 billion pounds) between 2007 and 2013.
Tom F., you have got to see the committments! give the sequel a miss though, imho.
We whiteys don't like attractive female breasts with our violent sports, thanks. we'll stick with farting horses and medically aroused geezers, okay?
And evos think this could have happened by chance.
(looooooong eyeroll)
Lime Rickey
Well, that's what they was taught in home schoolin'!
Now, how do you keep a kitty from knocking down a Christmas tree?
Vicki
Um - you don't let the cat in the same room with it.
Either that or put a fence around the tree.
My cat finally learned how to climb over the back fence this morning. We're not going to be able to keep him in the yard anymore, which was inevitable. I wish Mr. Tena hadn't started letting him out, but it's too late now.
You must have something pretty special going on.
I think it's having all those ham hocks available.
So, Vicki, Reading anything lately?
DWD - Listener in the Snow
Indeed! I had to download it from the computer at work, and I printed it yesterday. (200+ pages!) I like the first two chapters so far. Last night, I watched "Zombies" and talked on the phone, but I'll get to it and e-mail you progress reports!
"Zombies" was okay ~ some of the parallels to the current political climate are uncanny. But honestly, horror isn't my genre...
because of the slight Detroit has had to endure with the whole half-time show fiasco.
If that means another Motown Review, I'll take the Stones. If it means Aretha Franklin, it sucks. If it means Eminem or Kid Rock- Thank God.
My TV is making scary popping noises.
I think it may be racist.
Showtime/Zombies:
Some kind person has indeed posted a torrent for the Masters of Horror zombies show last night, ie, it's downloadable.
Does anyone need the link, and the info on how to download torrents? 'Cause I've got it handy. I'm even willing to mail a disc to anyone who can't figure out the torrent thing.
"I beg to differ. You snagged my sister in one wild weekend. You must have something pretty special going on.
Vicki"
Talk about a setup! ....but in the interests of good taste at this early hour, I will not spike this one
"Does anyone need the link"
Yes please!
Now, how do you keep a kitty from knocking down a Christmas tree?
Vicki
Why don't you hang it from ceiling for that retro festivus feeling?
However, the cliché, "everybody is a bit Xist" is really tired and seems to figure heavily into white/straight/christian/etc guilt, which is an extremely annoying phenomenon.
hey, look before you leap there. just 'cause it's cliche doesn't mean its not true.
all i mean by it is that there are differences between people, and on a large scale they sometimes follow patterns by race, gender, cultural upbringing. everyone notices them, and it is dishonest to pretend e don't. it's the only thing that keeps a lot of stand up comics in business.
so to the extent we recognize them, we are a little bit racist.
to the extent we let perceived trending in a large population affect the way we treat individuals, we are inexcusable bigots.
The Stones are a Motown review.
"I think it's having all those ham hocks available.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar"
Pork ... The Other Aphrodisiac.
Now, how do you keep a kitty from knocking down a Christmas tree?
Vicki
Why don't you hang it from ceiling for that retro festivus feeling?
footloose
PETA would have a cow.
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My TV is making scary popping noises.
I think it may be racist.
Central Scrutinizer
Must be the zombies coming to get you for not being able to find their show last night!
Be very afraid.
My connection is going in and out again - just like always.
sometimes it's just too easy. think i'll pass on this one.
Ignorance is believing that you are above such feelings and that leads to serious racism.
I find as I get older things enter my brain that I once used to pounce on other people for.
Sheets
Ooh Vicki, I just thought of something. Here in Dallas, for some reason, upside down Christmas trees are suddenly popular. You hang em upside down - looks stupid, but for some reason, people are doing it.
Might keep the cat from being able to knock it over.
dirk - ha ha ha.
Fresh sheets and check out the Huffington Link - I think I need a serious shot of something. Just fucking amazing.
Vicki, glad you are enjoying. Need readers! Honestly, if one farts and there is no one around to appreciate it, did you really fart> (or something like that)
Tena - won't you get somebody to build you one of those unclimbable netting fences for Kitty?
Not that I'm worth talking to about preventing escapes over walls. Eh, Arthur yclept Underdog?
Off to market, to market, to market!
PETA would have a cow.
How about a marching band? Or would that be out of place at a football game? All the kids loved Drumline.
PETA would have a cow.- QuentinCompson - 12:03 pm
PETA would not have a cow; it is forbidden by its bylaws.
It might, however, have a cowfurky.
The Stones are a Motown review.
Tim Finnegan
not sure i'd go THAT far. at least, not their early days.
but i still recommend the C's, that's sort of the premise. Lower middle class Irish lads start an Irish band, covering tunes like "Chain Of Fools", "Mustang Sally", lots more.
All the kids loved Drumline.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
[wipes starbucks from monitor]
Sounds more like Muscle Shoals than Motown.
"Yes, indeed, 200% confirmed," Musharraf said.
Oh man, it must be true if it's 200%! confirmed!
That's twice the bullshit!
Attaturk
It's the Bialostock and Bloom method of terrrrrist control: Capture or kill all 200 of Osama's 2nd in command.
this reminds me of the pie fight when kossians refused to acknowledge the tbs blogad was sexist. it got so that defending that stupid ad became more important than respecting the alliance between fellow liberals.
i cop to my 'isms all the time. lookism and ageism for starters. acknowledging your biases helps you to sort them out and manage them.
Let me get this straight.
Someone insults me.
And I'M supposed to apologize to HIM??
No thank you, I'd rather deal with African-Americans as adults, not as special ed children to be humored.
You'd better be defensive when someone accuses you of racism. This country has an adversarial system of law, and that applies to all other areas of life. If you admit guilt, you'll face punishment. Accusations like that can destroy your reputation, your career and your life. Fight them tooth and nail.
Bint is entirely uncalled for.
"Bint" means "daughter". Short for "bint gamel" ("daughter of a camel"). It really doesn't have sexual connotations, despite it's passing similarity to a certain other word. It's just an exotic form of "bitch".
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