I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Moist?
Damn!
'Tis nonsense, indeed.
Double Damn!
Almost. damn 20 second rule!
Oh, and by the way, Chomsky was right (again).
Remember when the spin was "Rove has not been named as a target"?
Luskin's strategy so far has been to pretend that grand juries are made up of the kind of people who book Sunday pundit wankshows.
almost frist
This is getting really tangled. Well, actually, I mean that it's becoming clearer how tangled this whole mess is.
Good thing Fitzgerald loves a good puzzle, has had Jesuit education, is very intelligent, and abhors crooks and liars, eh?
But, jeez-louise, how enmeshed they are w/one another.....water seeking its own level? Though I hate blaming water.
But, jeez-louise, how enmeshed they are w/one another.....water seeking its own level? Though I hate blaming water.
Why does water hate America???
Dude, it's 11:00. Stop posting. ENjoy your Saturday night!
Huh...this is my first time taking a look-see at this so-called blog.
The Left Coaster and the Ace of Spades are right. This thing sucks!!
Oh, and by the way, Chomsky was right (again).
rorschach
Sadly he is feared by both sides.
Well not the REAL liberals. Just the Democrats in liberal clothing.
Why does water hate America???
Eli
Shit! And it pretty much has us surrounded! And it has infiltrated our homes!
OK, so when do we find out that there was some bonking amongst the V. Novak/Luskin/Rove triplet?
trial by news cycle, Kenneth Starr inspired defense motions...
Nuremberg Precedent. War Crimes trials for Journalists await.
Germeny had to rid itself of the shame brought on it by such reporters. Today we also vicil damages to consider.
It would be a laugh to see WaPo get its pants sued off its ass, then Soros does the buy low-sell high tactic...
Why does water hate America???
Eli
Pop over to Huffington and read the comments about the 44 acres in Hawaii that fell into the sea.
I fail to see how any of this helps Rove.
And why isn't the press bugging chimpy to fire Rove?
They have totally let him off the hook.
Germany*
All this useless speculation is pissing me off.
I'd like to see a bit of justice for a change. And I like to see the farkin' JUSTICE DEPARTMENT (meant to shout there) act like an arm of constitutional law, for a change.
Virginia Tech has to be questioning heir decision to field an all-zombie secondary.
They're relentless, sure, but slow, and they draw too many brain-eating flags.
the journalists feel obliged to try to make that spin fit the facts even when it makes no sense.
I think the question is, WHY are they still doing this?
4LG, I have a purple tele-tubbie if you want it . . .
And the helmets stop them from eating people on the sidelines.
So they aren't even entertaining to watch.
Huh...this is my first time taking a look-see at this so-called blog.
The Left Coaster and the Ace of Spades are right. This thing sucks!!
How can I subscribe to your newsletter?
Okay, how did that happen?
Oh, who gives a fuck.
I am BORED BORED BORED
All this useless speculation is pissing me off.
I'd like to see a bit of justice for a change. And I like to see the farkin' JUSTICE DEPARTMENT (meant to shout there) act like an arm of constitutional law, for a change.
bigvic
I watched Reds today.
Quite a bit of similarity between today and then.
Keaton being questioned by congress about being a Christian made my hairs stand up.
frank rich part 1
All the President's Flacks
By FRANK RICH
WHEN "all of the facts come out in this case," Bob Woodward told Terry Gross on NPR in July, "it's going to be laughable because the consequences are not that great."
Who's laughing now?
Why Mr. Woodward took more than two years to tell his editor that he had his own personal Deep Throat in the Wilson affair is a mystery best tackled by combatants in the Washington Post newsroom. (Been there, done that here at The Times.) Mr. Woodward says he wanted to avoid a subpoena, but he first learned that Joseph Wilson's wife was in the C.I.A. in mid-June 2003, more than six months before Patrick Fitzgerald or subpoenas entered the picture. Never mind. Far more disturbing is Mr. Woodward's utter failure to recognize the import of the story that fell into his lap so long ago.
The reporter who with Carl Bernstein turned a "third-rate burglary" into a key for unlocking the true character of the Nixon White House still can't quite believe that a Washington leak story unworthy of his attention has somehow become the drip-drip-drip exposing the debacle of Iraq. "I don't know how this is about the buildup to the war, the Valerie Plame Wilson issue," he said on "Larry King Live" on the eve of the Scooter Libby indictment. Everyone else does. Largely because of the revelations prompted by the marathon Fitzgerald investigation, a majority of Americans now believe that the Bush administration deliberately misled the country into war. The case's consequences for journalism have been nearly as traumatic, and not just because of the subpoenas. The Wilson story has ruthlessly exposed the credulousness with which most (though not all) of the press bought and disseminated the White House line that any delay in invading Iraq would bring nuclear Armageddon.
"W.M.D. - I got it totally wrong," Judy Miller said, with no exaggeration, before leaving The Times. The Woodward affair, for all its superficial similarities to the Miller drama, offers an even wider window onto the White House flimflams and the press's role in enabling them. Mr. Woodward knows more about the internal workings of this presidency than any other reporter. He has been granted access to all its top officials, including lengthy interviews with the president himself, to produce two Bush best sellers since 9/11. But he was gamed anyway by the White House, which exploited his special stature to the fullest for its own propagandistic ends.
Mr. Woodward, to his credit, is not guilty of hyping Saddam's W.M.D.'s. And his books did contain valuable news: of the Wolfowitz axis' early push to take on Iraq, of the president's messianic view of himself as God's chosen warrior, of the Powell-Rumsfeld conflicts that led to the war's catastrophic execution.
"was conducting a screening process on intellectuals"
Rory, now that is damn chilling. Sounds very similar to who was it ah...
What's that smell?
If there is a god/goddess of justice and mercy, PIG BOY will get his well earned *hard time.*
I'm a big fan of Karma.
All attacks come in waves. I had just fought the front line; next came the heavy artillery.
The pain was so instant and intense I didn't have enough time to let out a scream, let alone a breath. My face contorted in pain. I was dripping sweat through all my pores, my face streaming with tears from the strain. And then something snapped. Whether it was my sphincter or my brain ignoring the pain, a calm came upon me. Remembering Paris, I managed a garbled scream, a war cry of, "La résistance!" And with all of my strength, I pushed, I charged the line, I went over the trenches, I did something else with a military metaphor.
Somehow I managed to fit a turd the size and weight of a tank through my front line. There was no splash, only a thud -- it must have been so grand that it wouldn't allow any water to pass above it, though I'm only speculating, as it appeared to be composed of only Friday's food. What followed next: two cans of minestrone soup with a half of a French stick to soak up the remainder. There could have been sizeable logs in there, but I couldn't tell -- my asshole was now the same size as a gun turret, and just as hot.
With my sphincter hurting beyond pain I wearily wiped away the carnage that remained like dead soldiers after a battle. I raised a victor, offering a blessing for the toilet, hoping, nay, praying, that it did not overflow. A massive dump I may be proud of; but not enough for the rest of the establishment's patrons and staff to see it, and to have to clean it up.
rich p2
Yet to reread these Woodward books today, especially the second, the 2004 "Plan of Attack," is to understand just how slickly his lofty sources deflected him from the big picture, of which the Wilson case is just one small, if illuminating, piece.
In her famous takedown of Mr. Woodward for The New York Review of Books in 1996, Joan Didion wrote that what he "chooses to leave unrecorded, or what he apparently does not think to elicit, is in many ways more instructive than what he commits to paper." She was referring to his account of Hillary Clinton's health care fiasco in his book "The Agenda," but her words also fit his account of the path to war in Iraq. This time, however, there is much more at stake than there was in Hillarycare.
What remains unrecorded in "Plan of Attack" is any inkling of the disinformation campaign built to gin up this war. While Mr. Woodward tells us about the controversial posturing of Douglas Feith, the former under secretary of defense for policy, there's only an incidental, even dismissive allusion to Mr. Feith's Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group. That was the secret intelligence unit established at the Pentagon to "prove" Iraq-Qaeda connections, which Vice President Dick Cheney then would trumpet in arenas like "Meet the Press." Mr. Woodward mentions in passing the White House Iraq Group, convened to market the war, but ignores the direct correlation between WHIG's inception and the accelerating hysteria in the Bush-Cheney-Rice warnings about Saddam's impending mushroom clouds in the late summer and fall of 2002. This story was broken by Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus in Mr. Woodward's own paper eight months before "Plan of Attack" was published.
Near the book's end, Mr. Woodward writes of some "troubling" tips from three sources "that the intelligence on W.M.D. was not as conclusive as the C.I.A. and the administration had suggested" and of how he helped push a Pincus story saying much the same into print just before the invasion. (It appeared on Page 17.) But Mr. Woodward never seriously investigates others' suspicions that the White House might have deliberately suppressed or ignored evidence that would contradict George Tenet's "slam-dunk" case for Saddam's W.M.D.'s. "Plan of Attack" gives greatest weight instead to the White House spin that any hyped intelligence was an innocent error or solely the result of the ineptitude of Mr. Tenet and the C.I.A.
Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby are omnipresent in the narrative, and Mr. Woodward says now that his notes show he had questions for them back then about "yellowcake" uranium and "Joe Wilson's wife." But the leak case - indeed Valerie Wilson herself - is never mentioned in the 400-plus pages, even though it had exploded more than six months before he completed the book.
On Lifetime now is "Cyber Seduction, His Secret Life," the Reefer Madness of internet porn. SomAwf has a great review of it.
"was conducting a screening process on intellectuals"
Rory, now that is damn chilling. Sounds very similar to who was it ah...
EkCenTriK
Al Q and their continual number three recruitment?
rich p3
That's the most damning omission of all and suggests the real motive for his failure to share what he did know about this case with either his editor or his readers. If you assume, as Mr. Woodward apparently did against mounting evidence to the contrary, that the White House acted in good faith when purveying its claims of imminent doomsday and pre-9/11 Qaeda-Saddam collaborations, then there's no White House wrongdoing that needs to be covered up. So why would anyone in the administration try to do something nasty to silence a whistle-blower like Joseph Wilson? The West Wing was merely gossiping idly about the guy, Mr. Woodward now says, in perhaps an unconscious echo of the Karl Rove defense strategy.
Joan Didion was among the first to point out that Mr. Woodward's passive notion of journalistic neutrality is easily manipulated by his sources. He flatters those who give him the most access by upholding their version of events. Hence Mary Matalin, the former Cheney flack who helped shape WHIG's war propaganda, rushed to defend Mr. Woodward last week. Asked by Howard Kurtz of The Post why "an administration not known for being fond of the press put so much effort into cooperating with Woodward," Ms. Matalin responded that he does "an extraordinary job" and that "it's in the White House's interest to have a neutral source writing the history of the way Bush makes decisions." You bet it is. Sounds as if she's read Didion as well as Machiavelli.
In an analysis of Mr. Woodward written for The Huffington Post, Nora Ephron likens him to Theodore H. White, who invented the modern "inside" Washington book with "The Making of the President 1960." White eventually became such an insider himself that in "The Making of the President 1972," he missed Watergate, the story broken under his (and much of the press's) nose by Woodward and Bernstein. "They were outsiders," Ms. Ephron writes of those then-lowly beat reporters, "and their lack of top-level access was probably their greatest asset."
INDEED it's reporters who didn't have top-level access to the likes of Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney who have gotten the Iraq story right. In the new book "Feet to the Fire: The Media After 9/11," Kristina Borjesson interviews some of them, including Jonathan Landay of Knight Ridder, who heard early on from a low-level source that "the vice president is lying" and produced a story headlined "Lack of Hard Evidence of Iraqi Weapons Worries Top U.S. Officials" on Sept. 6, 2002. That was two days before administration officials fanned out on the Sunday-morning talk shows to point ominously at the now-discredited front-page Times story about Saddam's aluminum tubes. Warren Strobel, a frequent reportorial collaborator with Mr. Landay at Knight Ridder, tells Ms. Borjesson, "The most surprising thing to us was we had the field to ourselves for so long in terms of writing stuff that was critical or questioning the administration's case for war."
rich p4
Such critical stories - including those at The Post and The Times that were too often relegated to Page 17 - did not get traction until the failure to find W.M.D.'s and the Wilson affair made America take a second look. Now that the country has awakened to that history, it will take more to shock it than the latest revelation that the Defense Department has been paying Iraqi newspapers to print its propaganda. Thanks in large part to the case Mr. Woodward found so inconsequential, everyone knows that much of the American press did just the same before the war - and, unlike those Iraqi newspapers or, say, Armstrong Williams, did so gratis.
Just to make myself feel better, I'm going to buy one copy of Time magazine and use it to line my cat's litter box.
"Al Q and their continual number three recruitment?
Rizla "
I ws thinking more Mao-ish and didn't the Soviet Union also do the same sort of thing. Then they either got sent to the farms, gulags or were off-ed unless there was a benefit to keeping them nearby.
Why does water hate America???
Eli |
I have been mocked, deservedly...
"Well you can take our lovely parting gift, or what's behind Al Qaeda operative number three..."
Parting prizes for W.ink's White House and its '9/11 changed everything' gameshow...
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vodkagu...de_1862_7648179
Luxury vodka of multiply rectified spirits infused with Bison grass native to the Bialowieza forest, home of the european bison; W. Somerset Maugham said that drinking Zubrovka is as delightful as listening to music in the moonlight
and a HAPPY HOLIDAYS FELAFEL EMPEROR!!
I ws thinking more Mao-ish and didn't the Soviet Union also do the same sort of thing.
True, dat. I was thinking of McCarthy-era US when I read your post...
Cool- I turn on the Zombie movie just as the Karl Rove character (Kurt Rand) gets beat up by a zombie.
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We were al-Qayda's No 3 & 4 for about a week. Everybody expects you to laugh at the god-damned "new guy on the bridge in Star Trek" comparison like each one telling it thought it up. And needless to say sexual harassment is through the roof. Ironically, the No 3 position serves no purpose other than US Lightning Rod, you have no responsibilities but survival, so icing the guy accomplishes nothing. The plus side is if you live through the week you get rotated to another position, say, freedom-hating. Once yuri convinced the supreme council at Langley to pay her to stare with righteous indignation at a poster that had images of all the US Presidents, especially the most freedomacious of them, so you could compare aspects of it to the NEA. Did we say Langley? Supreme council's in Islamabad. Yeah.
rorschach
Well, noting that I am not replete in communist lore, all the stereotypes and signposts that I have been aware of seem to be in place with the Reublican Revolution. The only difference I can see is the Bastardized Christianity angle they use. But events all seem the same step by step. These guys still pull the red scare line but in reality they are bringing it to our shores.
OT - just saw Homecoming. "Watch out for her, son. She's what we used to call a skank." LOL! Well done all around.
(Man... it's been a while since the shit troll's been here. He wasn't missed.)
turns out the guy they killed is still alive and well in Saudi arabia having gone home after training at a Florida flight school?
Yuri gives me goose bumps sometimes...
Al Qaeda just needs to quit appointing guys named "Kenny" to the #3 position...
The Reublican revolution would be more popular if more people realized it can be experienced without sauerkraut, but purists feel this spoils the vital essence.
I'm still annoyed that my local cable didn't give us the free Showtime weekend.
Assholes.
today's assassination brought to you by the number three...
But, jeez-louise, how enmeshed they are w/one another.....water seeking its own level? Though I hate blaming water.
Why does water hate America???
Oceans no longer protect us.
I find David Corn annoying.
That fucking Nokia commercial with the asshole singing "good old boy" fucking annoys me.
And why isn't the press bugging chimpy to fire Rove?
That's OUR job, and the job of a pissed off and righteous press who just need to do actual reporting for a change. Ha! If we had a decent press, those WH thugs would have been long gone. Rove/Bu$hCo and their racist pigs would never have gained favor in the South or elsewhere.
I'm bitter.
That fucking Nokia commercial with the asshole singing "good old boy" fucking annoys me.
Ugh.
I much prefer the one where the phone engineers start singing "Close To You" to each other.
Is there a state in the union
that would let me legally
marry my kitty cat?
I'm bitter
I am too.
I find David Corn annoying.
masculine_monica_nyc | 12.03.05 - 11:26 pm | #
no one wants corn in their pajamas.
Ugh.
That guy just looks and sounds like such a redneck douche.
I'm bitter
I am too.
four legs good | Email | 12.03.05 - 11:29 pm | #
i'm sweet.
but also bitter.
and sour.
I think I'll make some brownies.
That fucking Nokia commercial with the asshole singing "good old boy" fucking annoys me.Hits a little too close to home doesn't it? Hick
Al Qaeda just needs to quit appointing guys named "Kenny" to the #3 position...
rorschach | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:24 pm | #
i'm sweet.
but also bitter.
and sour.
OK, all of the above. Heh.
i'm sweet.
but also bitter.
and sour.
==
So, kinda tangy, then?
Are you or have you ever been an operative of the terrorist group known as Al Queda?
i'm sweet.
but also bitter.
and sour.
dirk gently
You're just a tart.
So, kinda tangy, then?
mena | 12.03.05 - 11:32 pm | #
kind of a potpourri, or smorgasbord if you will.
hell, even if you won't.
"Is there a state in the union
that would let me legally
marry my kitty cat?
steve simels"
Utah.
But she has at least 12.
And a Mormon.
Is there a state in the union
that would let me legally
marry my kitty cat?
steve simels
Oh My God! You're one of "them" that Santorum warned us about.
i'm sweet.
but also bitter.
and sour.
==
So, kinda tangy, then?
mena | 12.03.05 - 11:32 pm | #
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maybe a tart?
Who here likes the commercial with the Burger King fucking Donovan McNabb's mother in a hot tub filled with soup and Whoppers?
"Is there a state in the union
that would let me legally
marry my kitty cat?
steve simels"
Utah.
But she has to be at least 12.
And a Mormon.
Speaking of Morons.
kind of a potpourri, or smorgasbord if you will.
==
I'm just trying to understand here. Do you come with a sneezeguard?
there are strange noises coming from my bedroom. this is not in itself unusual, except that i am not in there at the moment.
think i'll go investigate. if i don't make it back in 40 minutes, it's because a) i got lucky b) the vodka is kicking in or c) all of the above.
The troll thinks we all really exist.
"Oh My God! You're one of "them" that Santorum warned us about.
missy's brother"
I think he was specific in saying Cat. So Ricky should be cool with that one right?
ok im slow,,as a gin-fizz?
sigh. guess now i'll have to let everyone have a taste.
line forms at the right side of the buffet table.
I think I'll make some brownies.
With or without *green* stuff? It don't matter to me. Going to bed, 'bats.
Worked this weekend and I'm really tired. Kiss Mr. Maxx for me, fourleggers. My 20 year old cat may not last the weekend. I'm really sad about that.
The troll thinks we all really exist.
We're really just conversationbots that serve as a matrix for his brilliance.
i don't know what the deal is anymore. and i'm sure sick of trying to figure it out.
fitzmas was a big disappointment to me. after reagan i consider karl rove to have been the single most distabilizing influence in america.
until that pasty white pig fucker goes down i've had no fitzmas.
having said that, this investigation has shined a very revealing light on our illustrious press crew, has it not?
"line forms at the right side of the buffet table."
Why don't you have sneeze guards in place?
Thank you, P O'Neill.
David Corn Hole is a twitchy nosed li'l mole:
David Corn has frequently served as a Neo-Con Lite version of someone who dismisses those who have investigated the crimes of the U.S. government. Corn's attacks against Greg Palast for his coverage of the very real and demonstrably criminal vote fraud in Ohio in 2004 and Florida in 2000 is a case in point. Palast relied on good old pavement-pounding to discover the fraud. The same cannot be said for Corn and his dismissal of the Palast's story. The same situation occured with Corn's attacks on the book Forbidden Truth, published by his Nation magazine's very own publisher. Never mind the fact that the United States had been negotiating with the Taliban just prior to 9/11 as highlighted in the book. Corn's unforgivable attack against the late investigative journalist Gary Webb was an all time low for someone who seems to relish launching broadsides against those who may represent some perceived competition.
Corn's contributor status with Fox News Channel and his almost constant use of that tag line is also problematic. It's certainly not in Rupert Murdoch's interest to have independent journalists running around throwing stones at his man in the White House.
MOLE
sigh. guess now i'll have to let everyone have a taste.
line forms at the right side of the buffet table.
dirk gently
Salty, yet crea--
Now I suddenly need to brush my teeth.
Oohhhh bigvic. Try to sleep well, my dear.
I think he was specific in saying Cat. So Ricky should be cool with that one right?
EkCenTriK
I'm sorry, you're right. Pussy is okay with him.
Worked this weekend and I'm really tired. Kiss Mr. Maxx for me, fourleggers. My 20 year old cat may not last the weekend. I'm really sad about that.
bigvic | Email | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 11:37 pm | #
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BIGGEST HUGS FOR BIGGEST VIC 
Actually linking to a source is
so pre-911...
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Goodnight bigvic, and sorry to hear about your kitty.
"fitzmas was a big disappointment to me. after reagan i consider karl rove to have been the single most destabilizing influence in america.
until that pasty white pig fucker goes down i've had no fitzmas."
The bigger the shit, the better the paperwork needs to be.
Wait for Christmas.
"My 20 year old cat may not last the weekend. I'm really sad about that.
bigvic "
Sorry to hear that, it is always tough.
i'm sweet.
but also bitter.
and sour.
==
So, kinda tangy, then?
mena
Works for me, tangy girls!
until that pasty white pig fucker goes down i've had no fitzmas
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Maybe it's the bourbon, but I don't see anywhere else for him to go. The fatter they come, the splatter they fall.
okay- I just watched the zombie flick for the 1st time.
please please please MORE
Gawd, I can't wait for SYRIANA!
The bigger the shit, the better the paperwork needs to be.
Wait for Christmas.
shawk | Email | 12.03.05 - 11:40 pm | #
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ya talking charmin,or angel soft...he is a big loaf
Is there a state in the union
that would let me legally
marry my kitty cat?
You have a cat?
And you don't post pictures???
I'm pissed.
My 20 year old cat may not last the weekend. I'm really sad about that.
bigvic
well, bigvic if you'se going to bed you wont see this but peace on you. 20 years is a long run for a cat.
god, if i could have just ended it then.
my 18 yold cat was mauled to death by the neighbors dog. this is the kind of thing that should happen to rove. i really hope fitz is a junkyard dog.
my 18 yold cat was mauled to death by the neighbors dog. this is the kind of thing that should happen to rove. i really hope fitz is a junkyard dog.
charley
My five year old cat was drowned by neighborhood assholes and left on my doorstep.
"The bigger the shit, the better the paperwork needs to be.
Wait for Christmas.
shawk
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ya talking charmin,or angel soft...he is a big loaf
SITTENPRETTY"
Yellow legal paper.
It works surprisingly well.
See you tomorrow.
If I don't get three hours of sleep, I get rancid.
Did you ever catch them, Schach?
Works for me, tangy girls!
bigvic
now you guys are gett'n me hot.
did i say that?
charley, rorschach - dear god, it's everywhere. Bad, sick people everywhere.
Horatio--Unfortunately, no. The fuckers.
My five year old cat was drowned by neighborhood assholes
I am not a violent person but this makes me want to strangle someone!?!?
"Bad, sick people everywhere."
One reason my cats are all house cats.
From the FDL comments thread:
If nothing else, Plamegate has pried my eyes open to the incestuousness of the people running the national media. THEY are the real cocktail weenies.
Thesaurus Rex | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 6:54 pm | #
Cheers!
my 18 yold cat was mauled to death by the neighbors dog. this is the kind of thing that should happen to rove. i really hope fitz is a junkyard dog.
charley | 12.03.05 - 11:45 pm | #
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oh charley so sorry...that is why mine are strictly indoors...mother nature is cruel to little critter... so sad ,I wish you peace and sweeter memories than that one
"My five year old cat was drowned by neighborhood assholes."
Did you find them and hurt them or did you move?
One reason my cats are all house cats.
EkCenTriK
Mine too, now.
Still on Lawrence of Arabia-- "Be thankful, Brighton, that when God made you a fool, he gave you a fool's face." And your mama can't rock n roll.
Hate to go back on topic, but this has to be the most idiotic bullshit a working reporter has ever committed to "paper":
I've known Viveca Novak for close to 20 years, and this all squares with my nothing-but-positive impression of her.
It's all one big fucking circle jerk with these pricks, isn't it? Fucking Corn belongs with MBF™ Media - in fact, he should run the fucking operation. He's that big of a joke.
My cats are indoor-outdoor, but I don't let them out when I'm not home. That's no guarantee, but they're being the animals they are, and I enjoy their company outside. And I get pic like this.
That's such a pretty shot Feral.
Sorry: it's late, I'm tired, and keeping up with the details of the timeline of my personal life is enough to do, this time of year especially. I'm simply not following the timeline of this little contretemps, nor do I really intend to.
That said, Corn asks the right question, although he once again fails to realize it: "Why does this matter?" The answer: it doesn't.
This case will not be tried in the press. Karl Rove will not be prosecuted by gossip, innuendo, speculation, and guesswork. He will not be indicted by a grand jury of "Plameologists" and journalists.
This is a legal case. All the speculation about who'sup next for an indictment may be fascinating (I'm sure it is; enjoy; I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade).
But none of the speculation and tea-leaf reading means a wet snap to a prosecutor like Fitzgerald.
Good night, and good luck.
My five year old cat was drowned by neighborhood assholes and left on my doorstep.
rorschach
yikes, i had a cat poisoend by a neighbor once. it was sad...
some people are just animals.
six billion monkeys, growing exponentially. maybe ingog. has a point. certainly we are overextending the welcome our niche.
CIA is doing heck of a job of renditions
WaPo -- The CIA inspector general is investigating a growing number of what it calls "erroneous renditions," according to several former and current intelligence officials.
One official said about three dozen names fall in that category; others believe it is fewer. The list includes several people whose identities were offered by al Qaeda figures during CIA interrogations, officials said. One turned out to be an innocent college professor who had given the al Qaeda member a bad grade, one official said.
This case will not be tried in the press. Karl Rove will not be prosecuted by gossip, innuendo, speculation, and guesswork. He will not be indicted by a grand jury of "Plameologists" and journalists.
That's certainly a fair point. But the political repercussions of the case -- for the regime and for the media -- will be shaped by the "Plameologists" and "journalists."
mena, I'm just lucky. I don't pose my cats (like I could) they just seem to put themselves into photogenic positions. An active cat in a natural setting is a joy.
Hey, I had a visitor from Shelocta, PA!
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here is what the reich wing is still being told to sell:
Wonkette
"Focusing on the Positive in Iraq"
warning: heavy snark content
You could literally give her hand on this one!
Rice to defend US treatment, transport of detainees as ACLU readies CIA suit
Andrew Wood at 11:28 AM ET
[JURIST] US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice [official website] is expected to deliver a stern message to leaders in Europe when she heads there Monday, telling them in effect to "back off" from their criticism of US treatment of terror suspects and the existence of alleged secret CIA prisons. Rice, who has been largely silent on the detainee issues, will address officials in Germany, at the EU headquarters in Brussels, and will also stop in Romania, which has denied that it hosts a secret prison. She is expected to remind European allies that they are also partners in the war on terror, and that the US does not violate international laws. Reuters has more.
Meanwhile, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) [official website] says it is preparing to file a lawsuit against the CIA on behalf of a man allegedly taken to a secret CIA prison in Afghanistan, charging that "CIA officials at the highest level violated US and universal human rights law when they authorized agents to abduct and [detain] an innocent man". BBC News has more.
give her a*
best champloo in a long while.
what are we talking about?
That last skit on SNL just started out alright, but fell right on it's face.
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they just seem to put themselves into photogenic positions. An active cat in a natural setting is a joy.
FeralLiberal
Word. I so heart cats.
That last skit on SNL just started out alright, but fell right on it's face.
Wow, that never happens. Usually they know exactly how & when to end a sketch...
That's certainly a fair point. But the political repercussions of the case -- for the regime and for the media -- will be shaped by the "Plameologists" and "journalists."
masculine_monica_nyc
Certainly true. But that effect will be shaped as much by the outcome of the legal process as by the political reading of newsprint entrails.
I'm satisfied to leave the legal process to do its job, IOW. But then too, that's just me.
Sittenpretty--
That last skit on SNL just started out alright, but fell right on it's face.
Sir, that would be EVERY SKIT FOR TYHE PAST TWENTY YEARS. You should either flip to Lifetime where you can watch a Reefer Madness-like film about internet porn or resurrect Phil Hartman.
Published: December 03, 2005 2:05 PM ET
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www.editorandpublisher.co...t_id=1001613851
NEW YORK In his major speech this week outlining a strategy for Iraq that might turn around public opinion on the war, President Bush used the word victory 15 times against a backdrop of dozens of “Plan for Victory” signs. Is victory really in our grasp—-and was the talk based more on changing poll results than really setting a wise course in Iraq?
The questions will gain even more relevance with a revelation coming in Sunday’s New York Times. It seems that in a part of the 35-page “Our National Strategy for Victory in Iraq” document posted on the White House web site, a few key strokes by those in know reveal that the document’s originator or author, is one “feaver-p.”
This person is Dr. Peter D. Feaver, a 43-year-old Duke University political scientist who joined the National Security Council staff as a special adviser in June. White House officials, while saying the document contained contributions from many federal departments, confirmed, according to the Times, that “its creation and presentation strongly reflected the public opinion research” of Dr. Feaver.
Feaver, the Times’ Scott Shane writes, “was recruited after he and Duke colleagues presented to administration officials their analysis of polls about the Iraq war in 2003 and 2004. They concluded that Americans would support a war with mounting casualties on one condition: that they believe it would ultimately succeed."
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If I were making a case against the liars-into-war gang a la Fitzgerald, or more fittingly a congressional investigating committee, I would subpoena the WH polling data relating to war matters from 9/11 until the present, especially adressing the public's "nuclear fears".
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Cat people. Call them cat people.
what the frist:
The lady who played Jerry Seinfeld's mom was James Dean's girlfriend?
Larruh King...
Word. I so heart cats.
bigvic, {heart} You!
That last skit on SNL just started out alright, but fell right on it's face.
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dieselcreek
You mean it hasn't changed since I quit watching it 20 years ago?
And am I really that old?
Ewww.
I'm satisfied to leave the legal process to do its job, IOW. But then too, that's just me.
Sittenpretty--
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huh smiity?
Feral, that's a cute kitty.
I'm horribly allergic to cats, so I can't pet them, but I do enjoy the pix. Pet him/her for me.
Thank goodness I'm not as allergic to dogs. Still wouldn't be smart to live with one, but I can still pet them once in a while.
Wonder if Dr. Feaver is bucking for that $1 billion grant?
Sir, that would be EVERY SKIT FOR TYHE PAST TWENTY YEARS
Yes, true. BUT a lot of skits don't even start out funny.
Once in a great while ya catch a decent skit.
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oh charley so sorry...that is why mine are strictly indoors...mother nature is cruel to little critter... so sad ,I wish you peace and sweeter memories than that one
SITTENPRETTY
oh it's been a few years, and i always thought she should have gone a bit before.
currently my we are being terrorizied by the neighbors cats. no big deal for my 20 pounder but my little 9 pounder is now afraid to go outside. which sucks 'cause she loves outside.
sittenpretty
crap--haloscan ate the rest of that.
I was saying, I caught Rice's statement earlier, and how lovely it is that our "diplomats" are going to tell Europe they need to "control" their people.
Since it's working so well for Bush in America just now, too.
The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
Q: What is worse than Liddy Dole, passed out drunk on the floor in a bar in Anacostia, her dress pulled up over her face, her body overrun with her gerbil minions looking for the hidden "treat"?
A: Liddy Dole in the Senate.
quentin, the guy is 43,and been smearing dems for $$$$$$$$$$$ for many years
The lady who played Jerry Seinfeld's mom was James Dean's girlfriend?
True. I read about Liz Sheridan w/ Dean during his NYC days, in a biography years ago, then when I saw her on Seinfeld, eventually realized, wow, that's her! Also, Martin Landau was Dean's roommate in NY.
A: What do you call Liddy Dole on one of her good days?
Q: A lukewarm piece of shit.
The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
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i wish this nightmare was closer to over...tooo many wrongs to right, and the eco-ones may be unfixable!
Feaver:
--Appearing on The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer on PBS in April 2004 he downplayed reports of civilian casualties in Iraq, noting among other things that "when newspaper reporters go out and collect information, and they ask people how many people died, and they faithfully report that number, that number has, is almost certainly inflated upwards."
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Allen Park, MI! Whoo-hoo!
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That last skit on SNL just started out alright, but fell right on it's face.
Sir, that would be EVERY SKIT FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS.
No, most of them have also began badly.
Good Grief, SNL sucks even more than ususal tonight...
good evening bats
been out watching my team win for once...and they were the 14 pt underdog...
Allen Park, MI! Whoo-hoo!
Did you see the write up of Allen Park Bar in the Freep yeswterday?
Severe t-storms heading my way @ 80mph... should be here in 15 minutes or so.
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No, most of them have also began badly.
Thers the Hostile
Well, but you're hostile....
Good Grief, SNL sucks even more than ususal tonight...
I think this is the first season I have never bothered with at all.
Good Grief, SNL sucks even more than ususal tonight...
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Good to know - I won't even bother. Have they even had any decent musical guests recently?
footloose: Did you see the write up of Allen Park Bar in the Freep yeswterday?
No -- I've just never had stats that told me where folxes were coming in from the cold. It's kinda neat-o.
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Several people besides us have responded to the SNL skit remark, but the consensus has been unanimous.
But for us the energetic and audience-indifferent sucking of SNL reflects a broader cultural trend. Everything's kind of tired right now. We have not seen, heard or read anything new from America in years. The visual sense in particular seems to be stuck in a loop. We can digitize things more precisely than ever before, but the things being rendered could've been thought up in 1992 or 1988. Nobody (American) is really shooting past expectations.
And just now, a Mac user from Madison, WI! How fascinating. 
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And the thunder begins...
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Severe t-storms heading my way @ 80mph... should be here in 15 minutes or so.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Email | Homepage | 12.04.05 - 12:18 am | #
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batten down the hatches....nearly a;; the roofs in my neighborhood are still messed up from Wilma,a sea of blue tarp
Have they even had any decent musical guests recently?
Guest tonight is James Blunt, who's claim to fame is being an ex British soldier in Iraq turned pop star. Emo type, a little too earnest...
JP,
sounds like you'd better keep your seat belt on, trays safely stored and your chair in the upright position....or maybe, you know, just stay inside
k&y--the energy is certainly flowing through someone else's zeitgeist....
Jeffraham Prestonian
Ok so you're obviously not in Allen Park cos I ain't hearin' no thunder.
Good to know - I won't even bother. Have they even had any decent musical guests recently?
Ashlee Simpson singing the aria from the Magic Flute?
matthew: sounds like you'd better keep your seat belt on, trays safely stored and your chair in the upright position....or maybe, you know, just stay inside
I is be -- Curly's not been on the balcony for hours, so he's inside, safe and warm, too.
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And just now, a Mac user from Madison, WI! How fascinating.
What? What's the deal here?
Ashlee Simpson singing the aria from the Magic Flute?
Soviet and Nazi art was notably soulless as well. Must be something about living under fascism.
SNL has milli vanilli on tonight, I think
Well, but you're hostile....
But I am also extremely contiguous.
footloose: Ok so you're obviously not in Allen Park cos I ain't hearin' no thunder.
Oh, that was you!
No, I'm here, and as you can see, it looks like a quick and nasty storm...
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Nobody (American) is really shooting past expectations.
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People have become afraid to. They're confused by the complexity and the demands of american living, and look to each other for validation. That makes for a conservative society.
Nobody (American) is really shooting past expectations.
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People have become afraid to. They're confused by the complexity and the demands of american living, and look to each other for validation. That makes for a conservative society.
Thers the Hostile
How's your little one?
But I am also extremely contiguous.
Thers
how non-Kaliningradish of you
Nazi art was notably soulless as well...
Well, they were trying to find soul in Tibet. Goofy bastards.
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now if a DJ/emcee would take their lip synch and scratch it and have Milli or Vanilli try to mimic the scratch with robot dancing...
or if they'd have milli/vanilla become a paid endorsement for diebols, since the results are always fraudulent...
Yeah, SNL sucks a hard long one. Come to think of it - sounds like fun to me!
Anyway, boys and girls - if you wanna have some fun, go here http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/ and here http://members.ij.net/rex/pledge2.html. Fun for the entire family!
dieselcreek: What? What's the deal here?
I'm just geekin' out with my new blog stats thang, Statcounter.
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my 18 yold cat was mauled to death by the neighbors dog.
A 75 year old lady was mauled the other day by a pack of vicious dogs while she was doing yard work.
I thought it was kinda funny.
Oh, that was you!
NO. I just drove through there on the way home from work lookin' for some pals to no avail. You're east of Memphis though?
But I am also extremely contiguous.
Thers
And perspicacious, too.
footloose: NO. I just drove through there on the way home from work lookin' for some pals to no avail. You're east of Memphis though?
Ayup -- Gnashvegas, Tennershoe. Moozik City, USA.
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Name stealing troll thinks we all really exist.
Q: What do you call Liddy Dole on a cold day?
A: A shitcicle.
And just now, Grove City, OH, a satellite of Columbus!
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I thought it was kinda funny.
You hear about the Rusian squirrels that tore apart the stray dog?
Liddy Dole was once a very attractive woman.
Unfortunately she's a gold digging whore.
Oh yeah -- upper atmo rotation in my hood, right now. Gotta love it.
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I like to call it Grovetucky.
Howdy, y'all!
Liddy Dole was once a very attractive woman.
And Hitler was a cute baby. His mother said he looked like Chirchill.
pixie: I like to call it Grovetucky.
Howdy, y'all!
Whuzzat you? Cool. I'm sure I've been through Grove City, since I've come up 62 before, getting to Cols.
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I used to go that direction when I lived in Morehead, KY... up to Maysville, and then straight up 62...
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Lights a-flickerin'... luck me -- I've got a bloggin' battery! 
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Batten down the hatches, Jeffraham!
I see haloscan still sucks. 
I love a good, loud rain.
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Oooh. I remember goin through Maysville once on the way back from Myrtle Beach once with the goal of stopping at (don't laugh) Bob Evans Farms. I think I got lost and gave up tho.
I own property and other investment interests in Ohio.
In fact, I have investment stakes in every state of the union.
The man with the most toys wins.
Damn. I read that last post and I think I got excited!
footloose: Oooh. I remember goin through Maysville once on the way back from Myrtle Beach once with the goal of stopping at (don't laugh) Bob Evans Farms. I think I got lost and gave up tho.
Maysville is an unexpectedly pretty little town, what with so much of it built into the hillsides overlooking the Ohio River. They've managed to keep it looking quaint and charming.
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Then you lose. It's a sad man who feels his investments are his toys.
Don't believe I'm familiar with Maysville. The furthest south I've traveled down 62 is Washington Courthouse.
IIRC there was something about a old slave auction site that was part of a controversy as to whether or not to keep it for history?
They've managed to keep it looking quaint and charming.
Sort of like my auxiliary nipple.
-Liddy Dole
It's a sad man who feels his investments are his toys.
It's just a game, if you treat as anything more you'll be paralyzed by guilt.
That's what keeps the little man from becoming wealthy.
I could buy and sell you.
Jeffraham - at least it's rain, I'm looking at 5 inches of snow by morning. A good day for a pot of chili.
I could buy and sell you.
Oh oh. I don't think Jesus digs merchants.
The man with the most toys wins.
wins what?
pixie: Don't believe I'm familiar with Maysville. The furthest south I've traveled down 62 is Washington Courthouse.
That's pretty close to home, no? Maysville is a bit farther east, once you hit U.S. 52, and, of course, across the river.
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wins what?
I could buy and sell you.
Some people down here, castrate crackers like you.
I could buy and sell you.
Don't think so.
wins what?
Wealth is the only criteria that matters.
It's a sad fact of life.
Those that recognize other values
get buried.
Evening batsies.
What's happening?
Did i miss anything good on SciFi Sat nite?
Wins what? Answer the question.
Did i miss anything good on SciFi Sat nite?
Don't know about that, but you sure didn't miss anything on SNL.
nsr- Did you watch Vertigo?
The things you learn from BlogAds... someone has actually written a children's book about Lady Bird Johnson's beautification crusades. They're running an ad for it over at AMERICABlog...
What I esp. liked about this Amazon listing was the "review" of the book - it's actually a kid's book report! The part the "reviewer" liked most were the pictures of wildflowers at the end of the book, most of which she'd never seen before.
I got a kick out of it...
Wealth is the only cr--
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Not this time around. Great film though. Stewart and Hitchcock made a good team. Rear Windowis the best, IMO.
I could buy and sell you.
oh really? Doubtful. For one I'm a contractor, hired gun. You can hire me, but not buy!
I don't need to think "It's just a game", I got mad talent- it makes me a LOT of money.
Love what you do, do what you love.
Did you watch Vertigo?
Speaking of, here's some pictures I took about a year ago of a couple of "Vertigo's" most famous locales...
As you'll notice, they haven't changed in nearly 50 years!
James Blunt, I think the English term is "Treacle"
Rear Windowis the best, IMO.
Yeah it's great but actually I love The Man Who Knew Too Much.
I could buy and sell you.
Okay. Make an offer.
Dave - those are gorgeous!
Make an offer.
Ha!
I have investment stakes in every state of the union.
The man with the most toys wins
steaks aren't a very good investment...they get freezer burn after a while and have to be thrown out
Lowly wretch! This is the last time you make epic naughty in Santa threads!
--The Tick
...those are gorgeous!
Thanks. Of course, all I had to do was stand there and click. The scenery does the rest.
BTW, for those interested, the old house on the corner of Gough and Eddy is long gone, the hotel Kim Novak lives in is still there, but under a different name (no sign), and you can still find the apartment Jimmy Stewart lived in if you poke around North Beach... I've stumbled across it several times, always by accident...
Man who Knew Too Much is great too, both versions in their own way. The little bits Hitchcock puts in are cool-- like when Stewart thinks he's confronting the kidnappers in a store, and he ends up making an idiot of himself.
Flory--movie was the Hulk, which I missed, because I was out collecting a birthday dinner
(((Jeffraham and Curly!!!)))
How're my boys? Did you hook up with the ladyfriend, and did Curly get to ogle Princess?
Those that recognize other values
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creamation is a bargain
just sayin
Yeah, I love that part. Wish I could blab some more but my teen just came in (take a breath knowing she's home safe on a snowy night) and I shall go watch a little tv before bed. ciao!
hallo Sallyh
For the truly obsessed, here's a "Vertigo - Then and Now" site that'll help you track down all the locations.
A couple of other notes... there is a Mission Dolores within San Francisco proper and they do have a cemetery, but there is no bell tower on Mission San Juan Bautista (it was a glass painting)...
I could buy and sell you.
But you couldn't afford to keep me.
Speaking of, here's some pictures I took about a year ago of a couple of "Vertigo's" most famous locales...
Y'know...its really not fair when you have that kind of scenery to start with.....
C'mon .....take a few pictures in Daly City or Hayward...let's see how you do with a little challenge!!
sallyh: How're my boys? Did you hook up with the ladyfriend, and did Curly get to ogle Princess?
No; it was another boys' night in, I'm afraid. Ladyfriend was too tired to drive in, and I guess Linda's keeping Princess in more these days. I do occasionally see her prowling the balcony rail when I'm around during the day (rare, these days), but it's been a couple of weeks since she's been out and about.
Didja see the latest Curly clip? It's up at the new bloggie.
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hey Sallyh
Hey Matthew, how's Devon?
sallyh -- early birfday dinner? Hope it was extra spectacular...it is a milestone!!!
We've still got a couple days til the actual event, right?
Jeffraham--I did indeed see the paw wash in the crazy chair. He's so cute. But he'd best be careful--that red collar marks him as a Commie cat.
But you couldn't afford to keep me.
I've heard the main reason Mormons were willing to give up polygamy, was the development of American department stores. The men in those arrangements are supposed to support their multiple wives equally, and with something like a Macys in the town, who could?
Sallyh, Devon's well and is in love with his au pair...doesn't care for me much these days...never forgave me for going back to work
Flory--Tuesday's the actual day. But hey, you don't get to be 50 every day, so why not stretch it out?
hi and nite, nite sal...........so tired happy un birthday,sorry Im late
Nite Katie, hugs!
....its really not fair when you have that kind of scenery to start with...
No kidding!
BTW, did you see my photos of the Christmas tree lighting in Union Square last Friday?
They really do take themselves...
sallyh: Jeffraham--I did indeed see the paw wash in the crazy chair. He's so cute. But he'd best be careful--that red collar marks him as a Commie cat.
It's a deep concern of mine.
Actually, I was sayin' over at watertiger's last night that I'd be worried if Curly escaped the condo, since he has a safety collar, that he's lose it, and wouldn't get back from France, as Emily did. I need to look into that implant chip...
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Doug--I've been in candymaking mode--English toffee, brittles, caramels. Chez H smells like caramelized sugar a lot these days.
Happy 5-0, Sallyh. I had it in May.
Jeffraham--Curly is on the FBI watch list, y'know.
my pics i been away for awhile arguing with my college age daughter about money . that was no fun. anyway, in case nobody knew eli's sister is a famous celebrity photographer. i hate her.
no one wants corn in their pajamas.
And how it got into my pajamas, I'll never know.
For the truly obsessed, here's a "Vertigo - Then and Now" site that'll help you track down all the locations.
There's a book that just came out a few weeks ago, Footsteps in the Fog, or something like that, that's all about Hitch's SF locations.
English toffee, brittles, caramels.?
ohhh!
and wouldn't get back from France, as Emily did.
Emily lives in Appleton, WI. She must be pissed to have to give up that French food for Applebees.
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Good Christmas shots Dave.
OK, cat's don't eat at Applebees. I know.
Charley--Steve looks as if he has the same kind of dense, velvety coat that my Julie has.
sallyh -- I spent the evening with a friend planning the trip to Ireland I'll be taking for my 50th next June.
It is indeed a milestone that should be enjoyed as long a possible.
Flory--I'm stretching it till the New Year. First my birthday, then visiting my sister out east, then Christmas, then Paris!
sallyh: Jeffraham--Curly is on the FBI watch list, y'know.
I read a story earlier today that makes me feel relatively secure in the fact that the FBI couldn't find its ass with both hands.
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dieselcreek--yes, but they love leftovers from any raw bar
arguing with my college age daughter about money .
You poor bastard. I have no kids, but have been in the midst of whiny students and their parents.
I had to pay my own way through, so I have no pity for the kids.
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BTW, did you see my photos of the Christmas tree lighting in Union Square last Friday?
Saw them. Gorgeous. Loved the before and after of the tree.
Wanted to take the kitties home.
charley, dieselcreek--college kids and money, a never ending source of stress.
Flory--Mlle's baby's due date is June 7, but it could very well be on FloryDay
A happy dicentennial celebration to you Sallyh!
sallyh -- early birfday dinner? Hope it was extra spectacular...it is a milestone!!!
hey, happy, happy.
when i turn 50 i'm just gonna...
no, maybe by then i will have accepted it.
seriously, happy birthday sally.
dicentennial, that's not correct, that would be 10 years old.
Flory--I'm stretching it till the New Year. First my birthday, then visiting my sister out east, then Christmas, then Paris!
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
Yay for you!!
Thanks for all the good wishes.
Matthew, Devon bears no grudge towards you--he's just in love with the au pair for now. You'll always be Dad.
Flory--Mlle's baby's due date is June 7, but it could very well be on FloryDay
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
Charley--I'm enjoying it, actually.
OK -- Haloscan still hates me...
sallyh -- that last post was supposed to say that the Goddess was recieving many an offering that Grandbaby sallyh joins this world on FloryDay.
That would be teh kewl!!!
I had to pay my own way through, so I have no pity for the kids.
hate to sound like limp nuts, but ditto.
jebus h. christ, if i had it half as easy as her.
Sallyh - happy 50, in case I don't cross blog paths with you Tues.
Had my 50th in Aug. Actually feels pretty good now that I'm on the other side. Kinda like - yeah, I made it to 50. Take that, world!
BTW, my birthday rule is - you get to celebrate a month either side of a birthday. But if you celebrate part of a month, you get to celebrate for the whole month. So that gives you Nov. 1-Jan. 31 to party.
Flory--if the baby arrives on the 7th, it's EliDay. If it arrives on the 10th, it's OtterDay.
But nothing beats FloryDay.
I'm done; turning in with a copy of Winds of War. But a quote at the beginning reminded me of this blog, where trolls aren't banned, and which sometimes seems like a new consciousness a-birthing:
"Peace, if it ever exists, will not be based on the fear of war, but on the love of peace. It will not be abstaining from an act, but the coming of a state of mind. In this sense the most insignificant writer can serve peace, where the most powerful tribunals can do nothing."
- Julien Benda
So, the big Five-O is approaching, grannyh?
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Jeffraham--Tuesday, St. Nicholas Day.
sallyh: Jeffraham--Tuesday, St. Nicholas Day.
Very cool. I'll start making your present tonight.
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But nothing beats FloryDay.
True. Very true.
But any Atriot day is better than no Atriot day.
And I like sister of ye's celebration rules. 3 months of parties......
Sunday morning funnies:
This Week: War Hero Jack Murtha vs Chicken Hawk and con-man Stephen Hadley
OOOOh that should be good.
Stephen Hadley is all over this Sunday's shows.
And stop calling me limp nuts!
Corn is heavy on speculation and light on direct sources. We are now entering the Matt Drudge phase of reporting. It's the same hit and run stlye, but on the other side of the tracks. I don't like Rove, but I want him tried in court.. not on the internet.
Just the facts please.
Sorry.
See, I said it.
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I don't understand any of this any more.
Everyone seems to be scrambvling to be guilty so the real crooks go free.
Correct me if I am wrong, please!
Everyone seems to be scrambvling to be guilty so the real crooks go free.
It's the hive mind operating as it should.
What do you call it when Liddy Dole goes into projectile vomiting?
Jeffraham--you needn't make me a present, dear, unless you really want to.
5th is my day...I'll have no squatters...
What do you call it when Liddy Dole goes into projectile vomiting?
bebe rebozo |
spermapaloosa...???
sallyh: Jeffraham--you needn't make me a present, dear, unless you really want to.
But of course I want to -- so does Curly!
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Pajamas Media Death Pool.
Your mom would have wanted you to place your bet...
--mf
Charley--Steve looks as if he has the same kind of dense, velvety coat that my Julie has.
well, you got the dense part right.
indeed, college girl calls him velour kitty. he's a bad ass. king of the neighborhood. unitl i have to take him to the vets for for abscess wounds.
again, happy, happy. jebus, i always hoped i never hit 50, fast approaching.
k. richards: when i was 20 i thought i'd never die, when i was 30 i knew i wouldn't make it to 40, now that i'm 50 i hope i live forever.
word keith, now that your 60 surely you realize death is right around the corner.
well, as krishnamurti, my spiritual advisor after jesus would say. thought is your enemy, death is your only freind. say what you will about krishnamurti, but he's the howard dean of spirituality. taki'n truth to the street.
Flory--I'm stretching it till the New Year. First my birthday, then visiting my sister out east, then Christmas, then Paris!
sallyh,Grandmere Poissonniere
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Happy Birthday Week Sallyh! You lucky dawg - Paris! Of course you deserve nothing less - eat delicious food and send us postcards!
Sarah Deere-
Very good, well unless she happened to be gnawing on a gerbil/
good night bats...gotta do some mail server admin stuff, then off to bed
'Night all! Getting sleepy, time to crash.
May it be a good day for all tomorrow.
word keith, now that your 60 surely you realize death is right around the corner.
I can attest to that. One's thoughts get...strange...about one's mortality.
Reality can't be denied.
I think about my relatives, what my gene pool has done.
I think about no longer being.
Was with my dad - Mr Deere and I together, actually, holding him in our arms - when he...just stopped working. Watched the last pulse of blood through the vein in his temple.
Odd - and daunting - to think of myself like that.
bebe...the "very good" from you, I consider to be High Praise.
I ALWAYS enjoy whatever you post - and many thanks to you for many a laugh.
Matthew--you're on Monday? Tres cool!
Odd - and daunting - to think of myself like that.
Sarah Deere
i been doin that since i was six years old.
i'm not afraid of death. but i have come to realize the pain that often precedes it is , well, daunting.
still, i'm not afraid. plenty of morphine, please.
Good night, dear friends. Sleep well.
I'm going to curl up into a victory ball.
Night all from me too.
Give credit where credit is due. Luskin is a master at employing the Chewbacca defense.
Chewbacca defense?
Eli, in case you were serious
Why does water hate America???
and this is some sort of banal attempt to screed liberal's in their own court, why be such fool?
Nobody hates America except Dick Cheney.
Why else would he work so hard to get everyone to?
Terrible analogy, the Bush policy is written as well as a Lucas script, or at least any of the last four...
Q: What do you call a three-footed possum dead drunk in its own chunky vomit, the left hand holding its prolapsed uerus, on the Senate floor?
A: Liddy Dole on a good day.
Don't worry, we already have an exit strategy. If the war is lost, we'll blame it on unpatriotic liberals who helped to erode support from home.
"blame it on unpatriotic liberals"
typical Bush Republican..."It wasn't MY bad idea that went wrong, it was that YOU didn't believe in my bad idea"
(rolls eyes)
Ooh baby, im so wet
Yeah, the Chewbacca defense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Che...ewbacca_Defense
If the war is lost, we'll blame it on unpatriotic liberals who helped to erode support from home.
I guess this is why they call themselves "The Party of Personal Responsibility".
Don't worry, we already have an exit strategy. If the war is lost, we'll blame it on unpatriotic liberals who helped to erode support from home.
You mean the people who told you not to start your stupid racist war in the first place?
Those same people who, when you ignored their previous warnings, told you that you would need three or four times as many troops to do it properly?
Those same people who pointed out that the troops would need sufficient armor and supplies to do the job properly?
Those same people who have been right about every aspect of this sad affair from the very start?
The fascists will never forgive us for warning them about how terribly wrong they were. They will never forgive us for being right.
If the war is lost?
It was lost the second we crossed into Iraq.
charley, sort of a morph on the FScott Fitzgerald's line that is isn't the being, it's the becoming. So...it's not the being dead, it's the dying part that gives us paws. Will we be in pain? How helpless will we be? How long will it take? How much $$ will it cost? Can we "go" with dignity? Or will we have to feel humilation? Will we have the strength of character? Or will whatever takes us out bring us to our figurative knees?
Who knows.
Food for thought, though not for gorging on....
Oy, this thread is still going, the one on which I was namestolen by the poop troll. That was frickin hours ago. Fortunately, I've had half a bottle of Freixenet and I'm in a good mood... 
Fortunately, I've had half a bottle of Freixenet and I'm in a good mood..
Can I massage your prostate with my auxiliary nipple?
-Liddy Dole
Can we "go" with dignity?
Couple thoughts.
1. Here in Oregon, people who get life-ending medication under our Death With Dignity Act more often than not don't use it. The sense of control it gives them usually is enough to enable them to finish the process and die naturally. Interesting.
2. The administration's legal attacks on Oregon's DWD and medical marijuana laws are a clever ruse. When liberals fight for our state's right to make its own laws, they're really saying that states' rights trump federal power. The administration and the Supreme Court are using these liberal cases as "cover" to cut back on the interpretation of Congress' powers under the Commerce Clause, and we're playing right into their hands because it involves marijuana and assisted suicide. Short-sighted of us, and clever of them.
Going to bed now. Tomorrow's -- no, hey, now it's today! -- my BD.
Sarah,
I know people that died.
Fortunately, I've had half a bottle of Freixenet
very good inexpensive champagne...
I just ate a piece of pie that wasn't mine.
I know people that died.
brk |
brk...more info...?
You were w/them when they died?
I've been present at ten deaths, but 75 births. Both are sacred occasions.
Fortunately, I've had half a bottle of Freixenet and I'm in a good mood..
Can I massage your prostate with my auxiliary nipple?
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo
I've been present at ten death
One by natural causes,
one suicide,
one car accident.
"I've been present at...75 births."
I was in the delivery room when my (ex)wife crapped out OUR kid. That experience was many things, but "sacred" wasn't one of them. No sir.
MORNIN MOON BATS!
"I was in the delivery room when my (ex)wife crapped out OUR kid."
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT SHE'S YOUR EX NOW.
Joo peeples are malditos y perditos...
bless joo een el Nombre del Patrios Gatos del Paradiso
so.
WELL, HAD MY COFFEE AND NOW IT'S OFF TO THE STATION! TOODLES, EVERYONE!
thees tags were closed, I swear on thees claws of El Tio del...
Ho-kay, I forgot to close thees tags...
so? ...
Ho-kay, I forgot to close thees tags...
so? ...
¡El Gato Negro! but you're a nocturnal creature, why are you sleepy?
Can't sleep. Anything about?
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"¡El Gato Negro! but you're a nocturnal creature, why are you sleepy?"
Translate THIS, show off: Chinga tu puta madrae.
Nobody likes a show off, show off.
"I was in the delivery room when my (ex)wife crapped out OUR kid."
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT SHE'S YOUR EX NOW.
King Mombo
don't like you either Jake.
Jake, Jake, Jake.....
You're no fun.
Chill, or go away.
316.6 rough going this morn
321.1 bed again
This feels like the quiet before the storm.
"WELL, HAD MY COFFEE AND NOW IT'S OFF TO THE STATION! TOODLES, EVERYONE!"
lol! God, I hope you're not a fireman!
"This feels like the quiet before the storm."
Ya want me ta rip one to break the silence? I just had some crabcakes, after all.
Jake, what's your story, mate???
"Jake, Jake, Jake....."
Look, quit lying to all the people out there telling them that childbirth is beautiful and "sacred". It's not. It's tramatic, brutal, violent, dangerous, messy and, above all else, ugly. VERY ugly. It totally changed the way I looked at my wife afterwards, and not just because she cussed me out during the delivery and embarrased both herself AND me while it was all going down. Plus, have you ever seen a baby right after it comes out? Let me tell you, it's not like in the movies! They are hedious looking! Gray and slimy and they even have HAIR on them. These little tiny gross hairs all over their body. At least mine did. Luckily, that hair eventually went away, but for a while there, man...I thought my wife cheated on me with a goddam chimpanzee!
Pergenancy is gross; labor hurts like hell and will make your wife cuss at you and embarrass herself; delivery is nausiating; and freshy-born babies are ugly as hell. End of story.
Jake,
I'm not making stuff up when I say that I attended (and assisted with) 75 births.
None of them was like what you describe.
They were all remarkable, beautiful, inspiring. Words, actually, can't encompass the power of the experience.
I honestly have never come across anyone who felt as you do.
That's not to say your experience - while vastly different from mine and the people who were giving birth - isn't true, I just never heard what you're saying before - just not MY experience.
aw, Jake, dammit...
"They were all remarkable, beautiful, inspiring. Words, actually, can't encompass the power of the experience."
Oh, there are WORDS, all right. My wife was calling me every dirty name in the book and telling me that she HATED me, while I was standing there trying to help her do her breathing! It was the most humilating experience in my life! She made fools outta both of us.
P.S. I didn't mean to imply that you lied about being at 75 births, just that you're misrepresenting what you saw. There was a REASON doctors used to keep dads OUT of the delievery room. That method should definately come back, if you ask me.
I always felt that L&D was the happy part of hospitals.
"I always felt that L&D was the happy part of hospitals."
Hey, if your idea of happy time is watching your wife scream in agony (she refused to take any drugs, or do that spinal thing) and cuss you out the whole time, then hey...knock yourself out.
Jake, there is a part of labor that's known as transition, during which women giving birth should NEVER be held accountable for what they say.
It is...a very powerful moment...
And yeah, women may holler at the father, call them everything but a child of God...but, honestly, they're really busy at the time...
I am appalled no one gave you warning so you could expect this to happen.
It's fucking COMMONPLACE, honest!!!
You just cut her slack, don;t take it personally, and get on with the business of having a kid.
You were apparently there - or you wouldn;t have this trauma to report - but, gee whiz - this is what it's all about. Yeah, women are not quite sane at the moments of giving birth, especially during transition.
But - it';s nothing shameful, nothing ugly. It's what it is to be human, and to be born.
I always found it to be - yes, sacred, beautiful. Not scary at all. IF...(big fucking IF) you are prepared for it and know what's gonna happen.
L&D is a much nicer place then OR, (though ortho cases are fun) the various kinds of intensive care and particularily Pediatric ICU. Those places tend to have much worse outcomes (death, or reduced function for the person undergoing the treatment) then L&D where when things go well, the parents get to go home with a new baby.
Of course L&D is no place for children.
Jake, please know I am not denying that you had a - wtf is the word??? - sounds like a pretty bad experience w/the birth of your kid.
Didn;t have to be that way, honestly. People apparebntly did NOT prepare you for what the whole thing is like.
If you understand the process and are ready, none of this stuff is a surprise, and you can kind of follow a script (even though each birth is different, the parts of the whole are the same) and be ready for when each part comes.
God, I HATE it that you had such a horrible experience!!!!!
"I am appalled no one gave you warning so you could expect this to happen."
No one can prepare you for your wife calling you a "----ing ----sucker" again and again right in front of the doctor and everybody, especially if your wife had NEVER used foul launage before, not once in her entire life. Nope, nobody can prepare you for that "special experience".
Dads need to stay in the waiting room, IMHO.
Dads need to stay in the waiting room, IMHO.
As I said L&D is no place for children.
"As I said L&D is no place for children."
Ha ha. Your turn'll come, pal. And when it does, don't say I didn't warn you.
Oh, I was there when my wife delivered my son. Of course being a responsible adult, I with my wife attended prenatal classes. + I had decades of on the job experience in hospitals, where I've seen many births. Not that scary. Try getting a Nasogastric tube inserted in your nose. It doesn't take long, but that's disgusting.
Jake...believe me, please. I am 60 yrs old th is year. I have one son, two grandchildren, at whose births I was present.
I acted as a midwife for those births I mentioned.
I am no la-la, airy-fairy, everything is beautiful kind of idiot.
But, I do know a thing or two about childbirth.
There are stages of labor, and the stage known as "transition" is the period when the baby moves deep into the birth canal and is jusb about to come screaming out (that would be, in polite language, about to be born).
At this point, the women giving birth used to be given a leather strap to bite down on. It is an incredibly powerful moment - or, rather, series of moments. How long it takes differs fromn woman to woman.
It is an incredibly powerful feeling, and it can be - and usually is - pretty damned painful.
At this point, whatever a woman says or does should NEVER be held against her. Never. Whatever she says to you is NOT personal. Do NOT take it personally, do not hang onto this, let it fucking GO, do you hear me???
When that child slides out of the mother';s body, it is covered with all kinds of stuff that is there to protect and nurture that child in the womb.
Jake...this is how you were when you were born. How all we humans are.
We're kinda slimy, kinda furry (this goes away, as you apparently know).
Dammit - we're HUMAN. This is how we are, this is how we're born.
There';s nothing shameful in it- it's just how it fucking IS.
You know???
I just wonder if somehow Jake manages to stay with a woman till they get old, and he gets to see some really gritty medical details. Think he'd be able to provide any emotional support?
I just wonder if somehow Jake manages to stay with a woman till they get old, and he gets to see some really gritty medical details. Think he'd be able to provide any emotional support?
doug,curiouser |
doug, I hope so. He seems like someone who was completely unprepared for the experience of childbirth.
That makes me sad for him and for his wife, and their child, because it did NOT have to be that kind of trauma.
Well, life is full of real gritty experiences. One of the points and advantages of marriage is being an additional source of emotional support for your partner.
As I've been saying birth is just one of them and not the worst by a long shot.
doug, agreed 100%.
Here is the money quote from Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake about this recent Viv Novak angle.
Jane Hamsher: "Presuming we know even a fraction of what is going on...".
Yeah Jane.... you can't presume to know. So, why don't you stick with what you do know? Instead we have a good 10 paragraphs of what.... nothing. This is not reporting. This is over the top manure spreading.
Hamsher and others may be right about the Novak thing, however, I am not totally off the Liberal reservation here by saying that Firedoglake and other sites are drifting into Drudge style tactic territory.
The investigation will bear out the facts and until they are sourced directly from the Prosecutor we simply don't know what the significance of Viveca Novak is.
The former blog Mediawhoresonline was about dissembling folks like Drudge... not making shit up ourselves.
Now, Firedoglake has gone the censorship route to keep opinions like mine away from their Let's Trash Rove Party. I have been banned from making any comments there.
Heh heh. That's how vain Jane has become with whatever she thinks is responsible blogging. Good luck with that Firedoglake groupies.
RMJ has it nailed:
This case will not be tried in the press. Karl Rove will not be prosecuted by gossip, innuendo, speculation, and guesswork. He will not be indicted by a grand jury of "Plameologists" and journalists.
This is a legal case. All the speculation about who'sup next for an indictment may be fascinating (I'm sure it is; enjoy; I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade).
But none of the speculation and tea-leaf reading means a wet snap to a prosecutor like Fitzgerald.
The deal is that the presstitutes in DC are used to having somebody like Ken Starr -- who was able to run his OIC in a quasi-legal way which meant that he was never accountable to anyone but Sentelle and Silberman, his fellow Federalist Society buddies on the three-judge panel that provided what little "oversight" Starr had. That's why Starr was able to lie like a rug and leak like a sieve -- he knew he'd never be punished for it.
With Fitzgerald, it's a totally different story. It's about the actual rule of law, not about the neo-Stalinist-Hitlerian version the neocons favor.
Remember how just a few short months ago, the Beltway Bozos were murmuring that the awful déclasse Fitzgerald must be ready to wrap up his investigation without anything to show for it?
Then Cooper and Miller went to jail. And then Cooper cracked, which led to Miller's cracking -- which led to Scooter Libby's resignation and indictment. Which led to a new grand jury.
Oh, no, this isn't over yet. Not by a long shot.
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From Corn: Novak wasn't trying to tip off Luskin or to help him. During a conversation, Luskin said to Viveca Novak that Rove had never spoken to Cooper about Valerie Wilson. Novak instinctively pushed back, in the way many a reporter would challenge a source whom he or she believes is spinning or lying. "She assumed that Luskin was giving her BS," one close-to-Novak source says. "And she replied with something along the lines of, 'This is not what I hear.' She assumed that Luskin did know about the Rove-Cooper conversation and that she was not telling him anything he did not already know."
Sounds to me like Luskin is sounding her out, trying to find out what song the reporters are singing, and maybe trying to push them into singing the same song that Rove was humming....
Cheers,
Hello? Is this thing on?
oh
where is everybody?
Frist?
A Chris Matthew-Mann Coulter "traitor hater/traitoraide" skit on SNL.
yeah
My head asploded.
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The Left Coaster and the Ace of Spades are right. This thing sucks!!
El Supremo
Uhhh... that's a mirror, friend.
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The Left Coaster and the Ace of Spades are right. This thing sucks!!
El Supremo
Uhhh... that's a mirror, friend.
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