I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Why does it say "0"?
I wonder how true this article is?
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/
a...icle_7779.shtml
If the president really called the constitution, "a goddamn piece of paper" with willing-to-talk witnesses around, he is close to treason (I reiterate willing-to-talk witnesses).
I'm sorry. I was on the phone raising money for myself.
I'm sorry. I was on the phone raising money for myself.
OOf!
The thread-dozer piles even more dirt on the hapless commenters....
http://johnmorrison.us/
John Morrison (D Montana) for US Senate. will probobly be running against Conrad Burn(r) our Abronoff scandal plagued Senator.
Mountain Girl
A friend sent me that article yesterday. I was stunned by it. If it can be verified, it should be trumpeted to everyone. I tend to believe it since Bushco has been wiping its ass with the Constitution for the last five years.
Ok, I'm getting "this document contains no data", now. Let's hope this is a server problem. Here's a snippet of it.
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the (Patriot) act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
“I don’t give a $@%%@*,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”
“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a *$#@%$&&%$ piece of paper!”
I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a %$#@&#%$ piece of paper.”
This is sort of a catch-22, however. Giving early is important, but so is knowing something about a candidate before donating.
Unfortunately, too many candidates wait before investing in a web page which sets forth their bio and their stands on issues.
The DCCC chair, Rahm Emmanuel, is swiftboating a genuinely progressive candidate, Christine Cegelis (IL-6) , accusing her of not raising enough money. He is trying to replace her with more 'centrist' and malleable candidates.
She is working hard, as Atrios described, spending hours daily on the phone to raise money. She is battling both the Republican candidate, a truly vile man, Peter Roskam, and the DLC types who want her to morph into a Melissa Bean clone, someone who can be counted on to support future bankruptcy bills.
Please toss whatever support you can her way. This is Henry Hyde's seat, he is retiring. My 80 year old dad is one of the first Democrats in this district, so we are told, and he has never seen a Democrat elected from this IL -6. As a lifelong Dem, he sure would like to be able to die a happy man, so help out Christine!
www.cegelisforcongress.com/
Well,
There's little point in my dumping any money into my local candidates, who are shoe-ins, so I'm not so sure what to do with it this time.
I suppose a list of competitive candidates in swing seats who have siginificant anticipated financial disadvantages, or a link to one, would be very helpful for somebody like me.....
The pastor of our relatively liberal church last week sermonized that the power of love should replace the love of power. He then said, 'Let me repeat that.' And he did.
I'd guess that's an accurate story about Bush and the constitution. Oath, shmoath...
Mountain Girl,
Here's a snippet of it.
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the (Patriot
This is just too juicy to be true,if you ask me. So if there's no link to be had, how about some credible attribution?
Well, CapitolHillBlue is a bit suspect, but this is scary:
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Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.
Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”
“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”
And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddamned piece of paper” used to guarantee.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”
I've only received robo-calls.
I wonder how true this article is?
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ a...icle_7779.shtml
Mountain Girl
I generally take anything from Capitol Hill Blue with a grain of salt. Or several thousand grains.
Oh never mind,
It's Capitol Hill Blue. Nevermind.
That rag has been making sensational claims like this about Shrubby's Mental antics forever.
Oh, how I wish any of these claims were ever substantiated.
But it'snot gonna be that easy.
Of course, the phrase "Early money is like yeast" is where Emily's List got its name.
{Sigh}, just another case of "All the News That's Fit to Invent."
Hi Bats!
2006 ~ Donate what you can when you can...
Campaign finance reform done my way would eliminate this kind of brainless politics.
It's time we got corporate money out of politics.
And Bush's stance on the constitution is nothing new. All it is, is another peg fit into the evolving mosaic.
Full Public Financing. (Admittedly VERY problematic for primaries.)
hec is right. if you have money to give, give it early.
if you don't have money, volunteer. and talk to your friends, families and neighbors. every little bit counts, and we're always up against the sclm wurlitzer.
ot ack: my roomies are on a cleaning frenzy...quick, somebody hide me. i don't want to scrub.
Wow,
seems like it's a slow morning here for everybody besides Atrios.
It's only 8:30 here in CA, so I haven't really got rolling yet. I guess everybody east of here is out shopping already.....
We're going to have to start our big push by the first of the year. With elections in November - and really fucking important elections they are - we are going to have to work hard from Jan. forward.
I'm usually one who doesn't say this kind of thing much anymore, because I realized finally I was just jumping up and down and screaming. But Batties, they steal the next two elections, I promise I am picking up a gun for the first time in my life.
I can't take this anymore. I really can't. I'd rather go down fighting and I am not really afraid of dying.
In a changing world, the Constitution will always be an outdated document. That's why it can be amended. It remains the law of the land, and I'd guess I differ with Abu G. about its current deficiencies and their remedies...
Bubba done went and coerced, with a jokj about the next conference having to be held on a raft, the Bushies to do something partially hydrogenatedly correct regarding global toasting. Go Clintononia. As in, who's that running mate ya got in yer knickers there Hil?
Anonymous | 12.10.05 - 11:43 am |
Can anyone translate that comment for me? Because as far as I can tell, it isn't in English.
Charles Johnson puts it best in his intro for a Lieberman article.
"In a political party that has gone off the rails, and puts the acquisition of power above the interests of their own country, Joe Lieberman is a marked man"
WASHINGTON, DC—Telephone logs recorded by the National Security Agency and obtained by Congress as part of an ongoing investigation suggest that the vice president may have used the Oval Office intercom system to address President Bush at crucial moments, giving categorical directives in a voice the president believed to be that of God.
Voice Of God Revealed To Be Cheney On Intercom
President Bush sits at his desk in the Oval Office, where he received messages from an intercom voice identifying itself as "God" and thought to have been Vice President Cheney (below).
While journalists and presidential historians had long noted Bush's deep faith and Cheney's powerful influence in the White House, few had drawn a direct correlation between the two until Tuesday, when transcripts of meetings that took place in March and April of 2002 became available.
In a transcript of an intercom exchange recorded in March 2002, a voice positively identified as the vice president's identifies himself as "the Lord thy God" and promotes the invasion of Iraq, as well as the use of torture in prisoner interrogations.
A close examination of Bush's public statements and Secret Service time logs tracking the vice president reveals a consistent pattern, one which links Bush's belief that he had received word from God with Cheney's use of the White House's telephone-based intercom system.
Officials privately acknowledged that there is reason to believe that the vice president, as God, urged Bush to sign legislation benefiting oil companies in 2005.
"There's a lot of religious zeal in the West Wing," said a former White House staffer who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "It's possible that the vice president has taken advantage of that to fast-track certain administration objectives."
An ex-Treasury Department official and longtime friend of Cheney was asked to comment on the vice president's possible subterfuge. "I don't know. I certainly don't think it's something [Cheney] planned," he said. "I do know that Mr. Bush was unfamiliar with a phone-based intercom, and I suppose it is possible that Dick took advantage of that."
A highly placed NSA official who has reviewed the information released Tuesday said Cheney masked his clipped monotone, employing a deeper, booming voice.
Voice Of God Revealed To Be Cheney On Intercom
Vice President Cheney.
Said the NSA source: "It sounded as though the speaker, who identified himself as God, stood away from the intercom to create an echo effect."
On Capitol Hill, sources are expressing surprise that Cheney, a vice president with more influence than any other in U.S. history, would have resorted to such deception.
"The vice president has a lot of sway in this administration," said a former White House aide. "But perhaps when President Bush was particularly resolute and resistant to mortal persuasion, the vice president chose to quickly resolve disputes in his favor with a half-decent God impression."
For many, the revelat
The author of the article, Doug Thompson, looks like Grizzley Adams...thats all I need to believe every word the man says.
Donate where you can -- and work with http://www.PublicCampaign.org to clean up elections by making it harder for corporations to buy them.
Here's the one I love about the "free speech" issue:
I am not allowed to stand outside a polling place and hold a sign that says, "Schmucky is sucky". That's called "electioneering".
However, the Schmucky campaign can buy airtime on the radio so that people standing in line inside the polling station can hear the message on their portable radios. (Or worse, the FauxNews Channel showing on the TV up above the fireplace in the corner....)
We are insane.
But Batties, they steal the next two elections, I promise I am picking up a gun for the first time in my life.
DeathFest marches on: 3 US soldiers killed in Yusufiyah, 1 in Baghdad.
quick, somebody hide me. i don't want to scrub.
Oh, how I wish I could spend my day in the nice, mindless, meditative act of cleaning the house rather than sweating out an hour-long seminar presentation for Monday.
Or pulling the weeds and planting my fall bulbs -- that would be fun.
Or sorting out the garage.
Or, pulling out my toenails one by one with pliers......
I am a bit dumb on something here. I understand what Atrios meant by his meet and greet comment, but I am not sure why he calls it "retail politics". Can someone educate me on that phrase?
Capitol Hill Blue is worse than Penthouse Forum.
And, as far as I'm concerned, if the repubs don't go down or worse, actually make gains in 06, no point in even giving a damn about 08 beacuse we'll be lucky if there still is a country by then worth saving.
I have a tale, a very sad tale about a progressive, independent, squeaky-clean judge who ran for city court here. He was sideswiped by the machine (which still exists) for a third-rate candidate.
The fact is that Joe Lieberman should leave the anti-American, anti-semitic, and anti-soldier Democrat Party.
I'm usually one who doesn't say this kind of thing much anymore, because I realized finally I was just jumping up and down and screaming. But Batties, they steal the next two elections, I promise I am picking up a gun for the first time in my life.
I can't take this anymore. I really can't. I'd rather go down fighting and I am not really afraid of dying
Gee, Tena, I think I said something very similar to this several months ago and this beautiful, intelligent, and good woman friend from Texas castigated me . . .
(Not really snark, just an observation that frustration eventually overtakes our inhibitions. And I, as you well-know, agree.)
However, the Schmucky campaign can buy airtime on the radio so that people standing in line inside the polling station can hear the message on their portable radios. (Or worse, the FauxNews Channel showing on the TV up above the fireplace in the corner.
Hudson, a halfway decent poll watcher would stop that shit immediately. It's not really allowed. From what I was told as a poll watcher last year, people in line to vote aren't supposed to discuss the election at all, and as a lawyer, I have no problem extending that rule to any broadcast. I'm make the election judge turn anything like that off, or file a protest with the election authority.
Capitol Hill Blue is worse than Penthouse Forum.
I agree. I definitely prefer to beat off to sexual rather than political fantasy material....
not "I'm make" - erk.
I'd make...
"In a political party that has gone off the rails, and puts the acquisition of power above the interests of their own country."
This would be a description of any political party at any given time in human history. Except when your out of power. Then you have to do the right thing. Currently, pendulum wise, it's the Repubs who are pulling the fixtures off the wall of our nation in the most brazen rape of the country's resources in history. Bush is just a rube. And those who support him are bigger rubes. As in, His base gets no real support from him. They are mega-suckers. It must be painful, even for the synaptically challenged, to keep up one's facade in the face of the coward that is Bush.
The thing is, at this point in time, Bush is getting his ass kicked. Agenda? That's a good one!
Clinton has more power than Bush. Bush is not only a lame duck, he's just plain lame.
blerb- what's your topic? perhaps i can help.
Charles Johnson is a raving lunatic with dried spittle on the side of his mouth.
And, as far as I'm concerned, if the repubs don't go down or worse, actually make gains in 06, no point in even giving a damn about 08 beacuse we'll be lucky if there still is a country by then worth saving.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 12.10.05 - 11:47 am | #
right, if there is not a drastic shift in power then
1. Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia have truly taken over all elections
2. Americans are so fucking stupid that we don't deserve to continue being the world superpower
DWD - well, I don't know about beautiful and intelligent, but yah, you're right.
I admit it freely - I do get like that. I so desperately want the system to work. I believe in it. I believe in our constitution and I'm terribly afraid that if it comes to that, DWD, our constitution and our experiment is over.
I don't want it to be. I love this country because I love the brilliance that put this government together based solely on enlightenment ideals. It may be that history has moved so far from the Enlightenment that we won't be able to sustain it. But I don't want to think that that is the way it will be.
Tena:
Last year I went to the polls with Steve Earle's "The Revolution Starts Now" playing on an endless loop on my minidisc player. Earphones. My own private rebellion.
Had I been listening to the radio instead....
I was just trying to point out that some speech is sacrosanct and other speech is prohibited. We are wildly inconsistent...in the favor of the moneyed interests, of course.
The people who don't have to pimp themselves are millionaires running for the first time, or incumbents. Both should make people worried.
Charles Johnson puts it best
Fuck off, Ruppert. If you can't choose which of your stupid fucking fake personalities you're adopting, day to day, you should really check yourself into a mental hospital.
i've tried to see mr. bush and engage in some retail politics. many times. he just doesn't want to see anyone besides dick and condi.
-J.T.
Charles Johnson is one of the most reasonable people around, and he is a former Democrat too
Is this why for the ones who make it to congress whoring themselves comes naturally?
Some of us are still raising money for the Virginia recount.
If there is one thing that the intelligent people on the left and right agree on, it's that Funcan Hack and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga Thingamajag Whatchamacallit are the laughingstocks of the blogosphere.
Hell, you know they have to be bad when even the NYT is dedicating tomorrow's magazine section to analyzing how they came to be such embarrassments.
The NYT says that they and their loyal followers are lickspittle, stark-raving mad nutjobs.
Oh, and Tena:
a halfway decent poll watcher would stop that shit immediately
you're funny!
(Our poll workers are scandalous. When we elected Corzine last month I had to stand in line while I listened to the poll workers shout from table to table about their hot flashes and who was having them and who wasn't. Some crap like that happens every time. It's in-fucking-credible.)
By the way:
If Fred Wertheimer's going to be a stupid moron about blogs, ask him why he isn't going after Hugh Hewitt's and Myron Olasky's right-wing "Christian" mag The World, which is distributed to churches -- especially Evangelical Lutheran churches -- all over the United States. It's both a) political and partisan (very pro-GOP), and b) used to get churches illegally involved in politics.
So why isn't Fred the Blog-Hater going after that mag?
Ugh, more cowardly, racist trolls...
A friend of mine stood for parliament when he was in his early 20s. That's basically infeasible in the US. He was selected to compete in a seat he couldn't win, with the intention of 'blooding' him should he want to try again. And 'blooding' is the term: knocking on doors in a hostile district and getting told to fuck off on a regular basis is a good test of your mettle.
In the US? It's like the Blackadder III election edition. Rotten boroughs and aristocratic candidates, some of whom (esp. on the GOP side) treat their districts as family fiefdoms.
Hudson:
If it's that bad, why not volunteer to be a poll worker yourself?
Every minute spent on the phone is a minute which can't be used to do the kind of meet and greet retail politics which we'd like to think is more important than politics by advertising.
Not to mention, y'know, thinking through policy.
Sock puppet alert!
Hey Freepy,
do you actually support Bush?
cuz, aren't we getting our ass kicked by a small pack of towelheads?
the almighty USA is getting it's ass kicked by a band of zealots.
who was standing on the wall for the American people on 9/11/01?
George W. Bush. The man weho history has alrighty anointed the Worst President Ever, Scared of God, Scared of the Truth. Scared of Beer. He's as capable of running the country as Mike Brown was of FEMA. But, as long as there are stupid people, who have no understanding of human nature or history, he will have a tiny bit of support. And those that support Bush give our country peraps it's greatest challenge. The need for better education. And not Kansas style.
It's not elites versus hardhats or liberals versus conservatives, (BUSH IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE) It's about stupid people versus thinking people.
U-pick.
Hudson - complain.
I joined the ElectionProtection PAC, and we have training for poll watchers and we don't take that shit here. There was some bullshit that happened here last year and our poll watchers documented every single questionable instance and turned all our documentation over to the the election authority. There was an investigation and some election judges got into trouble.
And our complaints were sent to the Texas Lege, where I'm sure they became cause for great hilarity. But we made it stick locally.
We all need to lighten up on the DCCC on this. They don't have the money to fund everyone -- couldn't possibly ever hope to raise that kind of money -- and they understand the bottom line all too well: Money Talks.
The old harangue against the DCCC, that they don't "support" candidates, is malarkey. The DCCC is available and helpful for ALL potentially viable candidates before the primaries -- but they don't write checks. There are too many races.
In fact, a candidate's ability to raise early money may be their best proxy for assessing the viability of a campaign. Grassroots support is another. Polling, too, is essential, but since it costs $10k or more for a good poll, that indicator isn't always available early on.
Steve Young's recent CA-48 experience can be instructive: He didn't work at fundraising as hard as he should have, and the netroots didn't step up either ($25k?), even though it was a special election.
Election day at-the-polls turnout was a little over 8%.
Advertising and field staff would have gone a long way in that race. But the candidate didn't have money for it. He stumped compulsively, shaking hands and talking to everyone he could. Money would have helped him speak to many, many more people. And given the reality of politics today, it's his job to raise it.
I agree that the netroots should step up and raise money for the candidate, but that won't change the sad facts of needing to raise ever-more money.
Candidates will still need to spend 90% of their time asking for money.
Phoenix:
I have considered it. And I continue to consider it.
If I could be sure to change the culture and make a difference, I would do it. I do wish I could make people treat voting with the sanctity it deserves...
I'll look into it....
blerb- what's your topic? perhaps i can help.
That's kind of you, ChiDy.
I have to prepare an hour-long presentation summarizing my progress iover the last year in the endeavor of mapping the cascade of antigen receptor signal-dependent transcriptional regulation downstream of Histone Deacetylase 7 in developing T cells in the thymus.
It's not that I don't have a fair bit of new data to present, although it's pretty embarrassing that I haven't gotten a paper out on it yet. It's just that the data are very complex and creating understandable presentation graphics for them is really difficult and time-consuming. I also promised my boss I'd have grapics prepared in a couple of my slides that would be at least an outline version of figure 1 of the paper. This is particularly harrowing for me, since while my boss is very good at telling me what he doesn't like, he couldn't begin to tell me what I actually should do. So getting something agreed upon is a really frustrating game of trial and error.
But don't get me started. I could bitch about it all day....
A new CNN poll says that 52 percent of the residents of Tom DeLay's district in Texas have an unfavorable
opinion of him. Just 37 percent view him favorably.
My question is: who are the 37 percent? Fundamentalists?
Tena,
I guess my curious gift - of dubious value I might add - is looking at a bunch of disparate elements and drawing conclusions.
People tend to judge the world in terms of their perceptions. Most of us limit our perceptions to things we see and that have an impact on our lives. Some of us manage to put the personal down in favor of some sort of political view. A perfectly normal way to perceive the world, IMHO.
Then there are freaks like me who look beyond people and even groups of people to some larger nebulous shifting cloud of craziness. This is where you are entering now. It is a place where Diebold is not the end of the observation, but the beginning. And the malfeasance of the Democrats in not opposing this usurptation becomes less important than the reason for the acquiesence.
Long view? Pattern watching? Crazy? (or a writer) take your pick.
But Batties, they steal the next two elections, I promise I am picking up a gun for the first time in my life.
I can't take this anymore. I really can't. I'd rather go down fighting and I am not really afraid of dying
Tena speaks for me. As I've said before, I'm more concerned about facing my ancestors and trying to explain why I allowed crooks and thieves to steal America than I am about dying. Dying's easy. People do it every day.
Blerb, I love topics like this: it reminds me of how LITTLE I really know (and that is a good thing)
However, if you get your ducks in a row and need a final edit for clarity, I am willing.
And Tena:
Around here, the election watchers can be the worst. When there's a really nasty city race (did I mention that this is Jersey, hmm?) both camps have people stationed at tables near the poll workers, and the poll workers call the name of the voter. Then one table of watchers asks for it to be repeated. Then the name gets called out again. Then the other table asks for confirmation of address. Then the poll worker shouts out the address. Then the first table says, does that start with an "A"? and the poll worker shouts back, "No, it's an 'E'". Then the table says, "What was that address again?"
I'm just waiting for the day when one of those tables challenges my right or my wife's right to vote....
It's an ugly experience.
And some wonder why people don't vote.
As far as picking up "implements of destruction" goes, don't wait until 08(hey that rhymes!!). See previous post for why.
My words to Howard Dean are simple shut-up!!
My words to you are simple, troll, fuck off!
Hudson - I understand what you are saying about free speech. What I'm saying is that I was trained by ElectionProtection to consider anything like that as out of line and to complain. We all had the phone numbers of lawyers on call on election day. They could get to a precinct where something like that was going on in about 10 minutes at the most.
Election judges will do what they can get away with. Our job is to see that they don't get away with it.
As an essentially non-violent person, may I just point out the obvious truism that there are some people in this world that need a good crack in the teeth?
Uh, out here in AZ we may have the solution -- public financing. In the recent Tucson City Council election the two (incumbent)Republican members refused to accept it (they had all the local big donors -- the car dealers, the big housing developers, etc. all lined up), but, as I recall from articles in the paper, in fact did not raise more money than the two Democratic candidates, who took public financing and won. The most you can give to a PF candidate is 5 bucks (they have to line up some number N of such small contributions to qualify for public financing).
I guess my curious gift - of dubious value I might add - is looking at a bunch of disparate elements and drawing conclusions.
Babe, no offense, but everyone does this. This is how our brains work.
We make patterns out of data.
However, if you get your ducks in a row and need a final edit for clarity, I am willing.
Also kind of you, DWD. Since this is an-in house lab meeting and not really a formal seminar, it's not so much about editorial perfection. Mostly, I just need to ci=onvince the director of our institute that I am going to get a paper submitted really, really soon, so that he doesn't tell my boss to push my useless ass out the door already.
Speaking of which, it is now past 9am here, which is my mental deadline for getting my useless ass to work on this.
So later, batses. I'm off to go through hell....
Keep your brain from exploding, blerb, good luck.
blerb, if you want me to read or review it for clarity, i have an undergrad biology degree and could provide you with a 'general knowledge' perspective. your work sounds really interesting!
right, if there is not a drastic shift in power then
1. Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia have truly taken over all elections
2. Americans are so fucking stupid that we don't deserve to continue being the world superpower
Tarheel | Em
the problem is that since no one (not you all but rather the tv and print media consumers) listened to CTers like me over the last 3 elections with respect to the voting machines, it's too late to do anything about it.
i just read that KS has bought a whole mess of diebold machines, and some other state recently as well. the federal laws that mandate use of machines hasn't been updated with holt's bill's provisions, and so basically, we're fucked. it's too late to do anything about it, other than sue states and officials for a change (paper trail). individuals would have a very hard time doing this.
it really sucks that even tho there's lots of evidence that the last three elections were rigged, most people believe that there really is a rethug majority in this country. the more elections they steal, the harder it is to convince people that we're in a state of crisis with respect to voting.
My question is: who are the 37 percent? Fundamentalists?
Lobbyists.
Ever' blessit one of 'em.
My question is: who are the 37 percent? Fundamentalists?
The bribed.
Hell, you know they have to be bad when even the NYT---zzzzzz
Go play with your buzzsaw, Brian Hardig.
Here is the link to John Conyers and other Reps report on election fraud ...it's quite a large pdf file, but well worth the read if you haven't already.
www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ ohiostatusrept1505.pdf
BUSH SUPPORTER MORNING CHECKLIST:
1. make sure deficit is spiraling out of control.
2. check to see we're still gettng our ass kicked in Iraq.
3. make sure the oil economy is fully greased.
4. make sure civil rights reduction act is called the Patriot Act.
5. Make sure entire world hates us.
9/11/01-( entire world loved us)
6. makes ure tax breaks are flowing to the wealthiest.
7. make sure proven failures, masters of incompetence are running the country. Rice-Cheney-Rumsfeld
8. make sure that nobody admits global warming.
9. make sure that God is listening to my prayers. (your pick-up started again!)
10. lead fully unexamined life of futile irrelevance.
Bushfolk=Purpose Driven failures.
oops here it is again
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_d...iary_democrats/
ohiostatusrept1505.pdf
I'm just waiting for the day when one of those tables challenges my right or my wife's right to vote....
i vote in rural WI. in the last election, some smarmy flagpin wearing little hack showed up for the rethug side. she was eyeballing people as they came up to vote.
my mother (6'3") and i (5'10") are the only black voters in the precinct. we made sure she understood that a challenge to either of us would've been really, really stupid.
sometimes it's nice to be tall and intimidating.
Actually, yes, the 37% who still think Tom DeLay is a good man are the white Christian fundies who live in gated communities where the only people of color are cleaning, mowing, and landscaping. That is their reality and they don't want to hear about the real world. I live in his district, and he is a burden I hope to shed in about 11 months.
"My question is: who are the 37 percent? Fundamentalists?"
those are the folk who happily envision Adam And Eve riding Dino the dinosaur to Church each Sunday.
we're fucked. it's too late to do anything about it, other than sue states and officials for a change (paper trail). individuals would have a very hard time doing this.
I don't know how I will react when the reulsts come in....if no change I will definitly go Che on their ass
Have a good rest-of-the-morning, back later.
As I've commented before, with regard to possible shenanigans, comparing it to '04 is fallacious. The shenanigans then were focused mostly on inner-city precincts that the media is uninterested in. Because Karl Rove needed to alter statewide vote totals.
Inner-city precincts mean nothing to Karl this time around. It's the swing districts. Full of voters your local news does care about. Any funny business is ten times more likely to be attended to. Which should be really interesting.
And every minute spent fundraising is a minute not spent doing things like reading the Patriot Act before voting on it.
Chicago Dyke, maybe you should be escorting other voters next time!
Trademark office OKs 'Dykes on Bikes'
Motorcycle group's name on its way to becoming registered
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&
type=printable
troutski: zing!
Inner-city precincts mean nothing to Karl this time around. It's the swing districts. Full of voters your local news does care about. Any funny business is ten times more likely to be attended to. Which should be really interesting.
fourmorewars |
as i've argued at my blog several times, fucking with voting isn't an 'either or' situation.
it only takes a couple of machines, in a couple of key districts, to "malfunction" and reverse vote totals for a state or precinct or district to swing. GA in 2000 is the example everyone should remember.
tarheel- in all seriousness: just how will you "get all che" on them? use guns? protest? what?
this is what i wonder about, what the proper response to rigged voting in 06 should be.
evening moonbats 
Meet the Truth Squad
For a liberal blogger, no political fib should go unviewed
MARK EHRMAN
For political junkies, must-see TV once meant sitting through hours of "Crossfire," "Hannity & Colmes" and "Meet the Press," hoping for the occasional gem. Nowadays, to catch Robert Novak turning the air blue on "Inside Politics" or work yourself into an apoplectic lather over our politicians' latest truth-challenged utterances, you can point your browser to http://www.crooksandliars.com , the brainchild of 47-year-old West L.A. musician and liberal-Democrat John Amato. Since last fall, he has been serving up political dish from a decidedly blue-state perspective with daily posts of video and audio streams. Amato, who turned to blogging after an injury scotched his saxophone career during a hiatus from a reunion tour with Duran Duran, currently is receiving between 100,000 and 200,000 hits on the site per day and has even done a few original interviews. We pried him away from his computer for questions from the mainstream media.
I generally take anything from Capitol Hill Blue with a grain of salt. Or several thousand grains.
Tena
It sounds like a set up to me. Classic Rove. Plant something false to bring out the strongest reaction possible then attribute the lie to the people making the most noise.
No word from Iraq kidnappers
Kidnappers holding four Westerners have made no contact with Iraqi authorities, on the day which they had set as a deadline to kill the humanitarian activists unless US and Iraqi authorities release all prisoners they hold in Iraq, the interior ministry has said.
The Interior Ministry said it had no information on the fate of the four Christian peace activists, who were seized two weeks ago in Baghdad. The previously unknown Swords of Righteousness Brigade set today as a deadline for killing Norman Kember, 74, of London, Tom Fox, 54, of Clear Brook, Virginia, and Canadians James Loney, 41, and Harmeet Singh Sooden, 32.
The kidnappers demanded that all security detainees held by coalition and Iraqi authorities be freed.
We all need to lighten up on the DCCC on this. They don't have the money to fund everyone -- couldn't possibly ever hope to raise that kind of money -- and they understand the bottom line all too well: Money Talks.
FUCK. THAT. TIRED. SHIT.
They need to fight the fight or get the fuck out of the way.
tarheel- in all seriousness: just how will you "get all che" on them? use guns? protest? what?
The best course of action at this time is unpredictable, all I am pointing out is that the lengths I would go to salvage what is left of our country from these ctiminals are non-exclusive.
Crooks & Liars and John Amato are doing God's work.
voting post #3
#1
#2
for those of you out there who don't know all the scary details about vote scams.
Chilean candidate defies stereotype
The leader in Chile's presidential race is a socialist, atheist, single mom, torture victim - hardly the profile for success in a conservative, Catholic South American country.
Yet, Michelle Bachelet is far ahead of the candidates of a split right-wing opposition going into Sunday's presidential election.
Although her poll figures have slipped in the past days and she may fail to get the 50% needed to avoid a runoff vote, Chileans have found her unconventional resume, which blends recent history with her own painful story, appealing.
Bachelet, 54, is the candidate for the centre-left Concertacion, the coalition of leftist and centrist parties that has governed Chile for 16 years, since democracy returned.
PinHouston : Actually, yes, the 37% who still think Tom DeLay is a good man are the white Christian fundies who live in gated communities where the only people of color are cleaning, mowing, and landscaping. That is their reality and they don't want to hear about the real world.
This is dead-on, BTW -- they're not just fundies, they are literally the exact same type of asshole that DeLay himself is.
DWD - the phone rang and I wasn't able to finish my thought properly earlier.
I think we all make patterns of data. What you do as a writer, IMO, is to turn those patterns into something transcendent about human experience, and show that to the rest of us.
It's a great gift. It takes what we are an and attempts to go beyond that, to show that we are more than we think we are.
The previously unknown Swords of Righteousness Brigade set today as a deadline for killing
i'd bet even money that this group is paid with US tax dollars, the better to intimidate peace groups and other westerners from going to iraq and pointing out and recording what a bloody clusterfuck it is.
HRW Calls on EU to Focus on Human Rights in South Caucasus
Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a statement issued on December 9 that the European Union should press for concrete benchmarks on torture, freedom of expression and other key human rights issues when it holds ministerial-level meetings with Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia on December 12.
This will be an annual meeting in Brussels under the framework of its Partnership and Cooperation Agreements with the three South Caucasus countries to negotiate Action Plans with Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia in frames of the EU Neighborhood Policy.
The way to change politics.
1. TERM LIMITS
as i've argued at my blog several times, fucking with voting isn't an 'either or' situation.
it only takes a couple of machines, in a couple of key districts, to "malfunction" and reverse vote totals for a state or precinct or district to swing. GA in 2000 is the example everyone should remember.
My point wasn't about the mechanics of cheating. It's about who's being affected, and their relative visibility in the eyes of sheep media.
There's a wonderful painting the Dallas Museum owns. It was done by Rufino Tamayo, and it shows an abstract figure reaching for the stars just out of its grasp. I think it depicts artistic endeavor beautifully.
We are constantly seeking for our reach to exceed our grasp, and that's one of the functions of art.
IMohsoHO.
Damn. I was banned for advocating both FREESPEECH and RULES for posting.
How goofy is that?
As far as politicians go I don't see any mention of corporate fundraisers and junkets. Tied to the cocktail party is more like it.
i'd bet even money that this group is paid with US tax dollars, the better to intimidate peace groups
Holy crap. I thought the very same thing.
Hostage drama, death rival run-up to Iraqi vote
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Four US soldiers and three Iraqis died while the fate of four Western hostages hung in limbo in an environment of chronic insecurity just days before a crucial general election.
The four US soldiers were killed in firefights and a makeshift bomb attack in and around Baghdad, a military spokesman said Saturday.
According to the latest update on the Pentagon website Thursday, 2,138 US military personnel have been killed in Iraq since the 2003 US-led invasion.
Elsewhere, simmering outbreaks of violence claimed the lives of at least three Iraqis in Sunni Arab hotspots ahead of Thursday's vote.
One Iraqi soldier was killed and nine wounded in a bomb attack targeting an army patrol in the restive Sunni Arab town of Balad, police said.
they are literally the exact same type of asshole that DeLay himself is.'
Well, yah.
The whole fucking bunch of the True Believers are just like the people they are supporting. Damn straight they are.
The point further being, chidyke, that you say the evidence is there for anyone with open eyes to see.
The question is, what would it take to open their eyes? And it's pretty obvious that the story of middle-class white people being cheated is so much more likely to get legs than the story of inner-city blacks.
The way to change politics.
1. TERM LIMITS
USAFVET
That's one way alright.
That and real campaign finance reform. But both have been tried more than once, and it's awfully hard to get the very people who would be out of a job by passing such legislation to pass it.
Tony Blair used to go on about PR but a soon as Labour came to power this was quietly forgotten.
and now its the Tories who look favourable on PR because they are out of power.
the powerful elites will not vote against their interests.
it would be like Turkeys voting to be roasted.
fourmore- i regret i didn't save it at the time i read it, but way back in 01 or 02 there was an interview with a person who works for a major news outlet like NBC or the like. she talked about how word came down, strongly and from the highest levels of her organization, that no journalist would be allowed to delve into the e-voting scandals and or take reports about them seriously.
so even if lots of white folks get cheated in 06, which happened in GA in 00, i still think that we won't see much media coverage. kerry's wishy washy admission that he got screwed in 04 is the most i expect from any pol or journo.
shit, i couldn't even convince my own advisor to take the issue seriously.
Has anyone here read the book 'The New Pearl Harbor" by David Ray Griffin?
If you have, my question is, how do you think the public and MSM will rreact if they find that the Bushie's were in fact complicit in the attacks on the WTC/pentagon.
Polish PM orders probe into CIA prison allegations
WARSAW (Reuters) - Polish Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said on Saturday he would order an investigation into allegations that the CIA detained suspected terrorists at secret prisons in Poland.
Analysts said Marcinkiewicz had little choice but to order the probe, but they expressed concern that Poland's reputation, and that of Marcinkiewicz's government, would suffer even if cleared of the allegations.
On Friday, the newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza quoted Marc Garlasco, an analyst with watchdog group Human Rights Watch, as saying that, until recently, Poland was the main location for CIA interrogations in Europe.
Human Rights Watch said on Friday, however, that it was still investigating CIA operations in eastern Europe.
Is this the thread about Eddie Money?
.
Is this the thread about Eddie Money?
Baby, hold on -- it's about raising money for Congressional candidates.
historical events today
# 1041 - Empress Zoe of Byzantium elevates her adoptive son to the throne of the Eastern Roman Empire as Michael V.
# 1508 - The League of Cambrai is formed by Pope Julius II, Louis XII of France, Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor and Ferdinand II of Aragon as an alliance against Venice.
# 1520 - Martin Luther burns his copy of the papal bull Exsurge Domine outside Wittenberg's Elster Gate.
# 1684 - Isaac Newton's derivation of Kepler's laws from his theory of gravity, contained in the paper De motu corporum in gyrum, is read to the Royal Society by Edmund Halley.
# 1864 - American Civil War: Sherman's March to the Sea - Major General William T. Sherman's Union Army troops reach Savannah, Georgia.
# 1906 - U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt wins the Nobel Peace Prize, becoming the first American to win a Nobel Prize of any kind.
We took it seriously here, Chicago Dyke. Our Elections authority drafted legislation to provide for a paper trail.
It was taken to the Texas Lege, where the Repukes soundly defeated it.
But it was taken very seriously by the people who run elections in this state.
cont.
# 1949 - Chinese Civil War: The People's Liberation Army begins its siege of Chengdu, the last Kuomintang-held city in mainland China, forcing President of the Republic of China Chiang Kai-shek and his government to retreat to Taiwan.
# 1953 - Dr. Albert Schweitzer is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his humanitarian work.
# 1975 - Activist Andrei Sakharov is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, accepted by his wife, Yelena Bonner.
# 1978 - Arab-Israeli conflict: Prime Minister of Israel Menachem Begin and President of Egypt Anwar Sadat are jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
# 1996 - Rwandan Genocide: Military Advisor to the United Nations Secretary-General and head of the Military Division of the Department of Peacekeeping Operations of the United Nations Maurice Baril recommends that the UN multi-national forces in Zaire stand down.
But it was taken very seriously by the people who run elections in this state.
That's too broad. I should have said in this county, not the whole state.
# 1948 - The UN General Assembly adopts the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
# 1965 - The Grateful Dead play their first concert, at the Fillmore in San Francisco.
# 1983 - Solidarity leader Lech Wałęsa is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, accepted by his wife, Danuta.
# 1984 - Apartheid: Cleric and activist Desmond Tutu is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
# 1986 - The Holocaust: Elie Wiesel is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
how do you think the public and MSM will rreact if they find that the Bushie's were in fact complicit in the attacks on the WTC/pentagon.
Tarheel
Unfortunately, the public will refuse to believe it and the MSM will do their best to cover it up!
We have a profoundly corrupt, heavily gerrymandered, disinfranchisement-ridden political system. It's been rigged to serve interests of the corporations and the rich.
Democracy, my ass.
Charities to return dirty medical equipment to US
housands of pounds of medical equipment donated to China will be returned to the US because it includes stained bedding, used surgical clothes and expired medical equipment.
The Beijing News reported on its website that three containers of donations sent to charitable organisations in Beijing and the northern provinces of Anhui and Hebei were found to be of "questionable quality" and would be sent back.
Customs inspectors found medical pipes that expired in 1998, dirty, mildewed sheets and used surgical gowns, it said. The report did not say where the shipments originated.
Bubba done went and coerced, with a jokj about the next conference having to be held on a raft, the Bushies to do something partially hydrogenatedly correct regarding global toasting. Go Clintononia. As in, who's that running mate ya got in yer knickers there Hil?
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Can anyone translate that comment for me? Because as far as I can tell, it isn't in English.
Tena
Shows just how stupid and ignorant Clinton-bashers are.
Nigerian plane crash kills 103: official
PORT HARCOURT, Nigeria (Reuters) - A Nigerian plane carrying 110 passengers and crew crashed and burst into flames in the oil city of Port Harcourt on Saturday killing 103 people, a Nigerian aviation official said.
A mother awaiting news of her child at the Port Harcourt airport said the plane was carrying 75 secondary school students from a Jesuit college in the capital Abuja.
"I called the school and they confirmed there were 75 students on board," said the mother, who was distraught and did not give her name.
The plane, traveling from Abuja to Port Harcourt, was operated by private Nigerian carrier Sosoliso.
Civil aviation spokesman Samuel Adurogboye said the plane was carrying 103 passengers and seven crew when it missed the runway on landing and burst into flames.
Great picture from Bartcop
I've read every post from the last two threads and haven't commented. I just don't know how much more there is to say. At this point there is so much that needs fixing, it is hard to know where to start. Take money and big business out of politics. Of course, but how? Ensuring a paper trail. Of course, but we just had another county vote to use Dieboldt in spite of loud protests. And so on.
In the meantime, we have 43 year old single moms being drafted to fight in Iraq. And the killing, pillaging and rape continues.
Terry C - WRT: 9/11 - I am surprised by the number of people I've talked to who do believe the government was somehow involved in 9/11.
But it's a terrible accusation to make unless there is solid fucking proof. And I doubt any MSM outlet would make the accusation without a lot of solid proof.
This is an interesting thread, and I am enjoying reading the comments. Although I could contribute, I'm just hanging in the balance today. Don't much feel like typing ~ I'm all typed out.
Regardless, maybe on an open thread I'll post what I've been thinking and solicit some advice for the New Year...
Thanks.
tee hee, i've made a troll blow his last gasket over at my place with my saddam was better post.
Police may face charges over Menezes killing
· Inquiry's report likely to go to prosecutors
· Specialist lawyer will review evidence
The Crown Prosecution Service will appoint an expert lawyer from its specialist crime division to decide whether police officers should face charges over the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, it was confirmed yesterday.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is due to finish by the middle of next month its report on the shooting by police of the innocent Brazilian who was apparently mistaken for a terrorist. Nick Hardwick, the IPCC's chairman, said it was likely he would hand the report to the CPS shortly afterwards.
Terry C - WRT: 9/11 - I am surprised by the number of people I've talked to
who do believe the government was somehow involved in 9/11.
But it's a terrible accusation to make unless there is solid fucking proof. And I
doubt any MSM outlet would make the accusation without a lot of solid proof.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 12.10.05 - 1:09 pm | #
9/11 was so the American
version of the Reichstag Fire.
Given the PNAC manifesto, you'd
have to be crazy to think otherwise.
IMHO.
i'd bet even money that this group is paid with US tax dollars, the better to intimidate peace groups
The reason I question these tactics is because they seem to come and go just like terror alert warnings were used.
Muslim group backs Kember plea
Hopes that the kidnapped peace activist Norman Kember might be spared were boosted yesterday by last-minute calls from across the Middle East for the hostages to be released before today's deadline.
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, one of the most influential Islamist movements, added its support to the international petition urging the previously unknown Swords of Truth brigade to release Mr Kember, 74, and three other captives.
It has threatened to kill the four men if all Iraqi detainees are not freed by today. The deadline has already been extended by two days. The hostages have appeared in several videos wearing orange, Guantánamo Bay-style overalls and blindfolds with their hands shackled together.
I wonder how true this article is?
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ a...icle_7779.shtml
If the president really called the constitution, "a goddamn piece of paper" with willing-to-talk witnesses around, he is close to treason (I reiterate willing-to-talk witnesses).
Mountain Girl
I believe it.
Isn't this the asshole who once said that the country would be better off as a dictatorship, so long as he's the dictator?
Terry C - WRT: 9/11 - I am surprised by the number of people I've talked to
who do believe the government was somehow involved in 9/11.
But it's a terrible accusation to make unless there is solid fucking proof. And I
doubt any MSM outlet would make the accusation without a lot of solid proof.
Tena
Tena:
I agree.
But I have prayed (and I am not religious person) every day since 9/11 that someone finds proof that the Bush Regime was behind 9-11.
I have believed since DAY ONE that this was the case.
These people stole a presidential election in 2000. They are capable of anything!
you would’t know fachism
tee hee, i've made a troll blow his last gasket over at my place with my saddam was better post.
chicago dyke |
At least you can spell.
But it's a terrible accusation to make unless there is solid fucking proof.
Sins of omission are harder to prove. And I'm certainly in the 'soft LIHOP' camp, in the sense that I believe BushCo was much more interesting in other priorities, and should a terrorist attach happen, well, they could see an upside.
tee hee, i've made a troll blow his last gasket over at my place with my saddam was better post.
chicago dyke
But Saddam WAS better.
I say pull out, put Saddam back and let HIM sort it all out!
steve - I'm not denying it. I'm just saying, the MSM is not going to get into that unless something comes up that is virtually inarguable proof. It's just too big.
i've always thought the Neocons cynically used 9/11 to further their plans.
they had been begging to invade Iraq since Clinton time in power.
Vicki!
You have mail ^_^
Jen and I want you to cheer up too, btw.
So...cheer up. Dammit.
Mounting unrest in Turkey
Turkey - Kurdish rebels attacked a military unit on Friday in southeastern Turkey, killing four soldiers and wounding two, in the latest act of mounting unrest in the mainly Kurdish region, officials said.
Two guerrillas from the rebel Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) were killed in clashes that erupted after the attack on the army outpost near the town of Guclukonak, in Sirnak province, which borders Iraq and Syria.
Security officials said the soldiers, on guard duty outside the post, were attacked shortly after midnight with rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades and rifles.
A military operation with air cover is under way against the PKK in the area, they said.
Education Minister Huseyin Celik, who was visiting the region, confirmed the deaths of the four soldiers.
Family Upset Over Marine's Body Arriving As Freight
Marine Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners
POSTED: 4:46 pm PST December 9, 2005
UPDATED: 6:20 pm PST December 9, 2005
http://www.10news.com/news/55046...608/
detail.html
SAN DIEGO -- There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.
A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.
Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.
But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.
snip
John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.
"Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge," said Stacey Holley.
The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.
etc.
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The Bush Treatment.
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If you have, my question is, how do you think the public and MSM will rreact if they find that the Bushie's were in fact complicit in the attacks on the WTC/pentagon.
Tarheel | Ema
(((hugs vicki)))
the american sheeple would never take the action that such a revelation would demand. the whitewash over kennedy's death (which nixon called 'the greatest hoax every pulled on the american people') pretty much proved that we're a nation of frightened consumers and willfully distracted serfs. today's media provides exactly no chance that, even if tena's standard of 'strong proof' were met, there would be coverage and discourse.
anyone who's read the cooperative research 911 timeline has enough information to know the official story is BS. frankly, i think a lot of people are just to afraid to deal with the consequences; so long as they have mcdonalds and wal-mart and brittney, they'll continue to go along quietly.
hoover once said something like "it's the size of the conspiracy that keeps people form believing it's true." for most, it's just too painful to accept that they live in a corrupt, murderous oligarchy run by theocrats and cronies.
Charles Johnson is one of the most reasonable people around, and he is a former Democrat too
Fred Eper | 12.10.05 - 11:55 am | #
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”
I think he's even creeper than Johnny AssCrack.
Fucking Dallas paper - they stole a line from a short editorial I sent them, asking if they'd be interested in it (they sometimes print citizen's editorials.) It was about the war on Christmas, and goddamn it if my line didn't show up as a headline on the story today. Bastards.
They turned the War on Christmas story around as a way to support Bush for sending out cards that don't say Merry Christmas.
Goddamn it
I'm utterly furious with them.
Charles Johnson is one of the most reasonable people around, and he is a former Democrat too
Fred Eper
Eper is one of the dumbest people around, and he is troll, too!
so long as they have mcdonalds and wal-mart and brittney, they'll continue to go along quietly.
chi-dyke - Most people I know hate McDonalds, Brittney and Walmart. That's not what keeps them from believing the government purposely destroyed the World Trade Center and murdered 3000 Americans.
Think about it. For most people that is just too enormous an idea.
Bush seeks prompt Congress vote on anti-terrorism law
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush asked Congress on Saturday for a prompt vote to extend an anti-terrorism law created after the September 11 attacks, calling it a "strong weapon" for fighting terrorism.
The Senate and House of Representatives were to vote on the renewal of the USA Patriot Act next week after Republican negotiators said on Thursday they crafted a compromise bill.
The deal has been harshly criticized by several Senate Republicans and Democrats and its fate was uncertain. Some opponents said civil liberties concerns were not satisfactorily addressed.
"The Patriot Act has proved essential to fighting the war on terror and preventing our enemies from striking America again," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
steve - I'm not denying it. I'm just saying, the MSM is not going to get into that unless something comes up that is virtually inarguable proof. It's just too big.
Tena
The public wouldn't believe it even if someone came up with iron clad proof.
I'm ashamed to be an American!
Just returned from the diner. I had to kick the shit out of four nuns who had the effrontery to wish me "Merry Christmas" in the parking lot.
footloose- please, i can spell about as well as i can not drink red wine. 
i'm just more careful at my own blog.
i agree with you about the oddly unknown nature of these groups doing the kidnapping. and kidnappings do seem to have an effect like the terra warnings.
given everything we know about bush and his crew, is it really so hard to believe they'd pay terrorists to act up in order to score political points or distract people from other aspects of the war (like, the billions and billions no one can account for?) obviously, i don't think that's a stretch at all.
Hi all.
Shrub was in town yesterday to fundraise for Mark Kennedy; a guy who had no problem with smearing Patty Wetterling last year. They raised one fucking million dollars for his senate campaign next year.
Personally, I can't grasp that amount of money for anything; let alone running for office.
Iraq hostage deadline looms
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Kidnappers killed an Egyptian working for the U.S. military in Iraq as a deadline loomed on Saturday for the execution of four Western peace workers, held under threat of death since they were seized two weeks ago.
Hours after the American ambassador in Iraq called for calm before next Thursday's election, candidates, campaigners and U.S. soldiers came under fire across the country.
A former mayor in the southern Shi'ite holy city of Najaf said he survived an assassination attempt when a roadside bomb went off near his convoy, while in Mosul, in the north, gunmen shot two members of another party as they put up election posters, killing one and wounding the other.
For the same reason, since the Constitution incorporates international treaties ratified by the US as part of the supreme Law of the Land (capitals in the original) it seems to me that comments about the Geneva Convention being "quaint" also border on treason.
But I wonder what Zell Liebermann would say about that? Here's hoping someone asks him at his SecDef confirmation hearings.
Just returned from the diner. I had to kick the shit out of four nuns who had the effrontery to wish me "Merry Christmas" in the parking lot.
I hope you threw their rosary beads in the sewer.
"The Patriot Act has proved essential to fighting the war on terror and preventing our enemies from striking America again," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."
- Edward R. Murrow
Fuck Bush with a white hot poker!
I was ordered to kill nun, court told
· Local farmer accused of being behind murder
· Activist gave her life for the rainforest, say supporters
A man who admitted gunning down the American nun Dorothy Stang told a court in the Amazonian city of Belem yesterday he was ordered to "kill the old woman" by a local farmer.
Sister Dorothy, 74, who had dedicated her life to defending the rural workers of Para in northern Brazil, was shot six times in February near the town of Anapu. About 1,000 rural workers crowded outside the court yesterday as two men accused of the murder went on trial.
Terry C - Oh I think the public would surprise you.
I don't know why you think otherwise, given how low Commander Coocoo Bananas' numbers are. At the very least, Terry, a large majority of Americans are with us on the idea that Commander CooCoo Bananas is totally incompetent. That they get now.
They may not agree with what we see as being behind his incompetence - that he does it on purpose. But they do get the one salient fact that he and his administration have run the country into the ground.
Morning again, rational people.
Although I suspect that Moonbootica has already posted this, today is the anniversary of the UN Declaration on Human Rights (194
.
Yet another ideal the current regime has trampled on.
Tena:
I just get so discouraged sometimes.
A man who admitted gunning down the American nun Dorothy Stang told a court in the Amazonian city of Belem yesterday he was ordered to "kill the old woman" by a local farmer.
I read this morning that he also thought that the bible that she was holding was a gun...
Odd, that.
These people stole a presidential election in 2000. They are capable of
anything!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat | 12.10.05 - 1:16 pm | #
The mere fact that Bush accepted
the office under the circumstances
he did tells you all you need to
know about the shamelessness and
unmitigated
evil of the administration.
Well, it's all kinda depressing before breakfast, innit?
Since I haven't had breakfast, I don't have any pix of that, but I do have a couple or three of Curly that only a few here have seen so far.
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given everything we know about bush and his crew, is it really so hard to believe they'd pay terrorists to act up in order to score political points or distract people from other aspects of the war (like, the billions and billions no one can account for?) obviously, i don't think that's a stretch at all.
chicago dyke
Considering how friendly the Bush Family Evil Empire is with the bin Laden family.
Um, that was 1948...I forgot what happens when an 8 and a ) are close to each other.
A man who admitted gunning down the American nun Dorothy Stang told a court in the Amazonian city of Belem yesterday he was ordered to "kill the old woman" by a local farmer.
Immediately, I thought of the American nuns who were raped and murdered in Central America back in the 1980s.
I read this morning that he also thought that the bible that she was holding was a gun...
Odd, that.
Zap Rowsdower, young'n
I've heard of flying nuns but never pistol-packin' ones.
Terry C - honey, who doesn't get discouraged?
To be perfectly honest about it, I'm discouraged right now and have been for about a week. I just try really hard to not let it destroy me completely, so I end up sounding like little Pollyanna sometimes, and I hate that really. I'm not that way. I just try valiantly to be rational, especially in the face of so much irrationality.
Immediately, I thought of the American nuns who were raped and murdered in Central America back in the 1980s.
As did I, Terry.
Funny how the more things change....
Tena:
Oh, I know.
We WILL win in the end!
given everything we know about bush and his crew, is it really so hard to believe they'd pay terrorists to act up in order to score political points or distract people from other aspects of the war
You mean now? I don't think so - another terrorist attack is going to be the end of Bush. People are still mad about Katrina.
Left for a while, glad my earlier post has illitcited so much debate....their is too much of a "case closed" mentality in the general public in regards to 9/11. I don't think that the Bush admin has to have planned it to be complicit...they could just have willfully ignored information to push thier agenda...that much has been proven I think. Again to all who dismiss the charge so easily I recoommend "The New Pearl Harbor" by David Ray Griffin.
Total public financing with an absolute ban on private money, free tv time and there is no reason a law couldn't be written to require it under licensing agreements, and a ban on slick ads. Just the candidate in front of a bland background explaining what he would do if elected. Oh, and plain paper ballots, marked by pen, and counted at the precinct level in front of civil servants from the election commission with party watchers present.
And yeah, the fuckers were complicit in 9/11. Too many unanswered questions. Stuff like finding Atta's passport, collapse of WTC 7 etc. etc. etc. etc.
Morning batses.
How's everybody today?
Terry C - yah, we will win. But you know that won't be an end to it. It's a neverending war to do what is right and to try to get others to do what's right.
Neverending.
You mean now? I don't think so - another terrorist attack is going to be the end
of Bush. People are still mad about Katrina.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 12.10.05 - 1:36 pm | #
Tena -- we've had this discussion
before, and I hope you're right.
I'm not so sure, however,
I'm deeply afraid that if there is
another catastrophic attack on our
soil on Bush's watch -- as bad
or worse than 9/11 -- the American
people will be so terrified they'll
cheerfully give Bush total dictatorial
powers.
Kiss the Constitution goodbye,
in other words.
another terrorist attack is going to be the end of Bush. People are still mad about Katrina.
Tena
Oh, yeah.
Because those bastards campaigned in 2004 on the promise that they'd keep us safe.
I don't think Rove will be making any phone calls to Osama telling him "We need another favor, dude!"
I'm deeply afraid that if there is
another catastrophic attack on our
soil on Bush's watch -- as bad
or worse than 9/11 -- the American
people will be so terrified they'll
cheerfully give Bush total dictatorial
powers.
No, people have had it with preznit fuckwit.
hmm. the troll at my place has just threatened me with death by beating. and he's in the military. i wonder to whom i should report this?
And yeah, the fuckers were complicit in 9/11. Too many unanswered questions. Stuff like finding Atta's passport, collapse of WTC 7 etc. etc. etc. etc.
Vinnie
Vinnie, I said that from DAY ONE that they were behind it.
It was the first thing I thought when that first plane hit!
Hey flory - how are you?
Seems so weird to me that a couple of weeks have gone by and I haven't had lunch with you.
We were at the Anatole last night for Mr. Tena's office party. We passed the diner you were talking about last time we got together - I know just where it is now, so we can meet there sometime when you are back in town. It's certainly an easy place for you to get to and not hard for me, either.
hmm. the troll at my place has just threatened me with death by beating. and he's in the military. i wonder to whom i should report this?
chicago dyke
All they are, are threats.
They talk real big.
I don't think Rove will be making any phone calls to Osama telling him "We need another favor, dude!"
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
The way Mr. Fitzgerald is working, Mr. Rove might not have free telephone service much longer.
For the record (still lurking), there are lots of wonderful folks here.
Hugs to everyone.
I'm off to deliver a crockpot to a friend, at which point we will smoke down, which will help me through the boredom of an oil change.
Peace.
Sorry, guys.
I don't put most past this administration, but it's one thing to say that they knew that 9/11 would happen; as opposed to if it could happen.
Maybe that's just the (small o) optimist in me.
flory: How's everybody today?
Nearly awake after my first cup o' joe... How 'bout you, flory?
I got an e-mail from you pal, btw... already replied.
.
I mean, it's pretty damaging evidence when the administration attempts to halt/stop/slow any investigation into the matter....coupled with the refusal to meet with the commission unless Bush and Cheney could hold hands.
Tena -- that sucks that the paper stole your wording without using your editorial. Plagarists!!
Neverending.
Tena |
In the meantime, we have to figure out how to survive the next three years. Frankly, I'm not optimistic. No doubt I have the blues today, but it is nothing a little jiggle from Fritz couldn't fix.
flory: How's everybody today?
tired from a shopping trip to Bath.
huge number of people, very hard to move, quite stressful and tiring battling these crazy consumers.
was a bad combo of weekend+good weather+rugby match+christmas market+day trippers.
steve - well I'm not going to sit here and try to argue that Bush wouldn't try to jerk the constitution.
But I am going to tell you that people wouldn't just go along with it. I really think that would provoke one hell of a lot of anger and push back once people understood what had happened.
Things take awhile to get through to people - they are fucking busy. But once it did - there would be a huge amount of anger.
Stuff like finding Atta's passport
That was so sickening...and the press just ate it up.
flory - I'm toying with the idea of letting them know I know what they did.
They'll deny it - but goddamn it, they just stole it.
The public wouldn't believe it even if someone came up with iron clad proof.
I'm ashamed to be an American!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Even with his elevated poll numbers only 40% of the country approves of Chimpy. I think the other 60% would be more than willing to listen if there was really strong proof of administration involvement. But it would have to be revealed as part of an offical investigation of some kind to give it some gravitas. Information just showing up on the internets would be one more loony lefty conspiracy theory.
Tena --
Like I said, I hope you're right.
North American hillbillies, and their antecedents, the British, it is now apparent, very easily confuse latins and arabs. "Did you hear the B-word", an FBI agent asks a passenger. "No" is the reply. Shoot to kill, even if the bomber is fleeing the airplane. Mental illness, or being late for work, is now an offense punishable by death according to white faux Christians. And as this republic collaspes under the weight of its debts, both monetary and moral...there will be no Pope to ride out to the gates without arms and only God on his side to meet the barbarians. It is not necessaary. They are already here and they are us.
you know in Britain if we have another major major attack a la 9/11 i am scared my government will also get dictaorial powers and we don't even have a written constution to defend.
our rights mean nothing, they can be given and they can be easily taken away.
we are very much at risk of a fascist takeover.
just look at the recent anti terra leglisation.
tena- what i meant was that bushies are paying terror group in iraq, to stir up trouble.
i'm of two minds about what another attack over here would mean. i am leaning towards the idea that bush would use it to finish off democracy, and that people would be so scared they'd go along with. they can be angry and frightened at the same time, after all, and blaming him may not mean that people would oppose the imposition of additional fascist conditions purported to be for our protection.
Pentagon under-reporting casualties in Iraq
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12...ualty-cover-up/
busted!
To be honest, I think the mere fact that the 9/11 commission's "report card" on the regime's record in improving security is some indication that the media is showing some signs of not being just stenographers 24/7.
I,too, am cautiously optimistic, but we have a lot of work ahead of us in 2006.
And how many times has Rummy/Cheney/Bush slipped up and commented that we shot down one of the planes?
they could just have willfully ignored information to push thier agenda...that much has been proven I think. Again to all who dismiss the charge so easily I recoommend "The New Pearl Harbor" by David Ray Griffin.
I don't think that the Bush administration wilfully did anything. I think they may have recklessly ignored what warning signs there were. But still, even if they hadn't ignored them I don't think that there's any guarantee that they could have or would have been able to do anything to prevent 9/11. Even so, it's obvious that they felt vulnerable about this or else they wouldn't have spun their pre 9/11 inaction. It's also pretty obvious that the Bush administration was caught pretty flat footed by the attacks (just as they were by Katrina) because they were more worried about pursuing tax cuts and missle defense.
That said, it is also fairly obvious that they pretty cynically used 9/11 once it happened to get to Iraq and to take over the Senate in 2002. One also has to wonder about the whole Anthrax thing and why no one was ever causght for that. It is certainly the case that the Bush's seem to have cared less about bringing OBL to justice than toppling Saddam.
I don't think that they LIHOP or anything like that. They were just cravenly political about it after the fact. I really think that this White House only knows how to run elections. That governance requires skill, intelligence, and thoughtful planning just doesn't seem to occur to them. And that is in keeping with the fact that an incurious fundamentalist dry drunk who has unwavering faith in his own rightness.
Dinner with Watertiger, NTodd, Res, et al. should help as well.
Since Steve referred to all the ladies that are going to be present as "divine" with the glaring exception of moi, I think tonight will be a good night to ignore Mr. Simels.
I'm certain about one thing, though.
If enough people start rumbling, I'm sure that Shrub would repeal Habeus Corpus (sp) to quell any dissention.
There was some effer on here last night saying that all that have died in Iraq diserved it. Also said that we should be storming congress and forceably removing all of those in charge.
Apparently, this person never heard of Ghandi.
hmm. the troll at my place has just threatened me with death by beating. and he's in the military. i wonder to whom i should report this?
chicago dyke
I just posted a comment over there - told "beer run" to go fuck himself.
Someone else took exception to the names he uses, and told him that it showed how much respect wingers have for women!
"I really hope that people are starting to consider giving early and often to their favorite candidates."--Atrios
And I'll give a fiver to anyone who can help me find a favorite candidate. You're more likely to fond a chupacabras, or an unselfish act in Dick Cheney's biography
Tena:
It feels truly weird for me not to have been in Dallas for a full month now.
First time in over a year I've spent that much time away from there.
Definitely have lunch when I go back -- whenever that will be.
flory - I sent the paper an email and told reminded them that I'd sent them an editorial that ended with the same thing they used for a headline on a story this morning.
I'm sure they'll deny it, but I'm still mad.
If another attack included a nucleur attack on a major US city I believe the public would be so frightened that they would, as mentioned earlier from others, want the preznit to have unlimited powers.
Things take awhile to get through to people - they are fucking busy. But once it did - there would be a huge amount of anger.
Tena
The anger already exists. It is absolutely no accident that our president is afraid to speak anywhere unless the attendees are carefully hand picked. His policy of continually refusing to field non-scripted questions is also not happenstance.
That this nation's press giddily accepts this Soviet-style horseshit is as troubling as it gets.
Since Steve referred to all the ladies that are going to be present as "divine"
with the glaring exception of moi, I think tonight will be a good night to ignore
Mr. Simels.
ql in ny | Email | Homepage | 12.10.05 - 1:49 pm | #
I'm so sorry....I forgot you were
gonna be there.
In any case, as it turns out I
can't make it. I threw my back out
and I am barely able to hobble.
I already e-mailed watertiger and
res with my regrets.
Have fun in any case....
jp -- my friend was thrilled you replied so quickly.
I'm so old I can remember when the media exposed people like Bush.
Now, they're in bed with them!
Attempt to seize Pyramid TV channel building made in Bishkek
BISHKEK, December 9 (Itar-Tass) -- An attempt to seize the building of the Pyramid popular television company was made in Bishkek on Friday.
The channel personnel have been forced to leave the building. Police have come to the place but are doing nothing. Several representatives of human rights organizations and parliament deputies are standing near the building. The situation is tense.
Several people came to the building in the morning and introduced themselves as new owners of the channel, Pyramid Director Elina Chernyavskaya told Itar-Tass. They said that they would dismiss the entire personnel, stop broadcasting news and make the channel purely entertaining, she said.
Draco - sorry you don't have any favorites. I certainly do.
Every Democrat who is running for office in or from the state of Texas are my favorites.
Mainly, however, Nick Lampson, who is running for Delay's seat, and Chris Bell, who is running for gov.
I'll be giving money to Democrats all over the country, however, not just here. If Hackett runs again, he has my dollar.
Ouch Steve. Sorry bout that. Shucks, without you to tease, it won't be nearly as much fun. Besides I wanted to talk some business with you.
If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.
I'm toying with the idea of letting them know I know what they did.
They'll deny it - but goddamn it, they just stole it.
Tena
You absolutely should. Letting it go by without telling them you know what they're up to is just encouraging them to do it again.
Also, you said it was in a headline, so its (remotely) possible that the headline writer stole the wording and the editors don't even know.
Moonbootica -- soryy you're tired out from your day. Have a cup of tea...or a beer.
It is absolutely no accident that our president is afraid to speak anywhere unless the attendees are carefully hand picked
(a) That bastard ain't MY president.
(b) Even the hand-picked audiences seem less and less enthusiastic of late.
(c) The way things are going, they're going to have a hard time finding that many people to make up "favorable" audiences.
"Will it be sufficent to mark with precision the boundaries of these departments in the Constitution of the government, and to trust to these parchment barriers against the encroaching spirit of power? This is the security which appears to have been principally relied on by the compilers of most of the American Constitutions. But experience assures us, that the efficacy of the provision has been greatly over-rated; and that some more adequate defence is indispensibly necessary for the more feeble, against the more powerful members of the government. The legislative department is every where extending the sphere of its activity, and drawing all power into its impetuous vortex."
-- James Madison, Federalist Paper #48, Feb. 1, 1788
Whenever discussion of the current gang's view of the Constitution comes up, please refer to Billmon's excellent discusion of Shadia Drury’s Leo Strauss and the American Right.
The Straussians do not believe in protecting "the feeble" from the "impetuous vortex" of power. Madison was worried that "that a mere demarkation on parchment of the constitutional limits of the several departments, is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments which lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same hands."
The Straussians believe the carefully mentored few know best, and the parchment of the Contitution is not much of a barrier, not when power is concentrated in the better-knowing elite--precisely what Madison feared.
Dinner with Watertiger, NTodd, Res, et al. should help as well.
This must be mini-Eschacon, part 1.
With part 2 to follow in a few weeks.
steve - sorry about your back. I used to have a lot of trouble with mine, and the one thing that really helped (a nurse advised this) was moist heat, not dry heat. A towel wrung out in hot water, then a heating pad wrapped in plastic. Towel up against your back, then the pad.
Hi steve simels!
Sorry to hear about your back. As *ahem* young and spry as I am, I'm prone to throwing out my back a lot, too.
If another attack included a nuclear attack on a major US city I believe the public would be so frightened that they would, as mentioned earlier from others, want the preznit to have unlimited powers.
Tarheel
I doubt it!
That this nation's press giddily accepts this Soviet-style horseshit is as troubling as it gets.
Max Planck
I was talking with a recent emigree from one of the old Soviet Republics. He said it was fascinating watching this country descend into what the Soviet Union once was. And there is no doubt in his mind that that is exactly what is happening now.
ql in ny:
Business?
I sent the paper an email and told reminded them that I'd sent them an editorial that ended with the same thing they used for a headline
Dead tree might be better. More likely to get an editors attention, I would think.
heads the adminstration.
Total public financing with an absolute ban on private money, free tv time and there is no reason a law couldn't be written to require it under licensing agreements, and a ban on slick ads.
I find the idea of the government being able to determin who has access to comapign money to be a little, um, creepy. It's a process that could be abused by a party in power to ensure its hegemony.
I mean, it's pretty damaging evidence when the administration attempts to halt/stop/slow any investigation into the matter....coupled with the refusal to meet with the commission unless Bush and Cheney could hold hands.
Yeah but damning evidence of what. The more likely inference is not that they were covering up malfeasance, but were trying to cover up the fact that they were incompetant in handling terrorism as a national security issue before (and after) 9/11. The administration may be, in some form, to "blame" for 9/11. It would be almost as damaging to them if it were shown that the adminstration was negligent or reckless in the face of intelligence about possible terrorist attacks. That is they could have reason to hide something far short of complicity through act or omission in 9/11
flory: jp -- my friend was thrilled you replied so quickly.
Sadly, it's easy for me to do when I'm not at work, taking back-to-back calls -- I still haven't mastered the skill of typing coherent thoughts while talking/listening on the phone (Sarah Deere can attest to this -- I sent one e-mail to her from work that took me a couple of hours to compose, 'cause I had to wait for pauses in several conversations in order to answer her questions). Unfortunately, I don't have access to all the goodies at home that I have at work (such as the ability to do the cart import/export), but the basics are there from the consultation perspective -- the website is very informative on all the products and options.
.
well i have to go sort out my room.
lots of unpacking to do, so better get started.
catch ya later
Madison was worried that "that a mere demarkation on parchment of the constitutional limits of the several departments, is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments which lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same hands."
Fucking prophet, Madison was. The provisions of the constitution have to be enforced for the constitution to be in effect. The way I see it is that since Bush took over, the Congress has been abdicating its responsibility under the constitution. It is a co-equal branch of government, but it lets the executive get away with completely abjuring checks and balances.
The right can inpugn Cindy Sheehan's motives, methods, circle of friends, whatever to their heart's content. But they'll never change the fact that she made the president look to the entire world like the biggest pussy who has ever been in that office.
This article
http://www.physics.byu.edu/resea...nergy/
htm7.html
from
http://www.911truth.org
is wirtten by a phsics professor who points out that the WTC did not buckle from the steel burning.
(c) The way things are going, they're going to have a hard time finding that many people to make up "favorable" audiences.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Given the fiasco at the Council on Foreign Relations speech, I predict it'll be military and Bush Pioneers only for the next three years. He won't take the chance that an audience that should be enthusiastic won't be.
He won't take the chance that an audience that should be enthusiastic won't be.
flory
I mean, even the military audiences don't look very enthused with Prince Fuckwit these days.
The way I see it is that since Bush took over, the Congress has been abdicating its responsibility under the constitution.
Word.
Which is why next year is so important.
The right can inpugn Cindy Sheehan's motives, methods, circle of friends, whatever to their heart's content. But they'll never change the fact that she made the president look to the entire world like the biggest pussy who has ever been in that office.
Max Planck
Fewer and fewer people are listening to those pro-war assholes these days.
They are a rapidly shrinking minority in this country.
Sheeps and owls, living together!
.
It would be almost as damaging to them if it were shown that the adminstration was negligent or reckless in the face of intelligence about possible terrorist attacks. That is they could have reason to hide something far short of complicity through act or omission in 9/11
That is complicity
Yeah but damning evidence of what. The more likely inference is not that they were covering up malfeasance, but were trying to cover up the fact that they were incompetant in handling terrorism as a national security issue before (and after) 9/11. The administration may be, in some form, to "blame" for 9/11. It would be almost as damaging to them if it were shown that the adminstration was negligent or reckless in the face of intelligence about possible terrorist attacks. That is they could have reason to hide something far short of complicity through act or omission in 9/11
Carpbasman
Bingo. Bango. Boingo.
If anything, 9/11 showed how inept these clowns are. That, and that alone, should've been the reason that these fuckers should've been ousted last year.
That this nation's press giddily accepts this Soviet-style horseshit is as troubling as it gets.
Max Planck
I was talking with a recent emigree from one of the old Soviet Republics. He said it was fascinating watching this country descend into what the Soviet Union once was. And there is no doubt in his mind that that is exactly what is happening now.
ql in ny
I think it's really fucked that the same wingers used to criticize and condemn the "commies" for doing what they gleefully support Prince Fuckwit and his Ass Clown Posse for doing now in this country!
tena --
Thanks for the advice. I'll
try it.
Right now , though,
I'm fine as long I don't
move too suddenly.
If another attack included a nuclear attack on a major US city I believe the public would be so frightened that they would, as mentioned earlier from others, want the preznit to have unlimited powers.
Tarheel
I doubt it!
Terry C
In such a horrific scene, it won't matter what the public wants--it won't matter even what Bush wants--the door would be thrown open for the true power in the executive branch to use nuclear weapons at will.
The lights would go out all over the world. Debate about limitations on power and the "national interest" would be moot.
We'd be too busy searching through the ashes for the bones of our loved ones.
Business?
steve simels
You've got mail.
is wirtten by a phsics professor who points out that the WTC did not buckle from the steel burning.
Tarheel | Email | 12.10.05 - 2:04 pm | #
well, they could just examine the WTC steel. but unfortunately it was immediately shipped to China for melting.
That, and that alone, should've been the reason that these fuckers should've been ousted last year.
Zap Rowsdower, young'n
They played it smart though. Give the old folks what looks like a happy meal with the Medicare Drug Program and wait til the second term to try and kill Social Security. If they'd gone after SS two years ago, Kerry would be preznit.
Chidyke, keep after the fools. Saddam was far more competent a dictator than Pretzel George could ever be. And I have no doubt that if W became dictator he'd be the same as Saddam, cruel, vengeful and murderous. They're two sides of the same coin, except Saddam has half a brain, which Georgie lacks. The straussians could not have designed a better puppet for their insanity.
Hey TerryC:
Remember the old joke about the difference between communism and capitalism? In capitalism, man exploits man; in communism it's exactly the reverse...
Good News!!!
Zapette and I got the banquet facility that we wanted for the wedding!! It's a cool, old Italian restaurant a couple of blocks from the park we're getting married in.
Now, how do we pay for it....
(sorry, but that's a huge load off of our backs)
Zap,
However it gets financed, that will be a wonderful day for you two.
Carpbasman,
Your allegations that the administration may only be guilty of negligence, is in my mind a high crime...since priority #1 is protecting the citizens of this country....also that claim is just as baseless as mine...that they were directly complicit...In fact, I think the histroy of this administrations misdeeds lends credibibbilty to my argument.
Chidyke, keep after the fools. Saddam was far more competent a dictator than Pretzel George could ever be. And I have no doubt that if W became dictator he'd be the same as Saddam, cruel, vengeful and murderous. They're two sides of the same coin, except Saddam has half a brain, which Georgie lacks. The straussians could not have designed a better puppet for their insanity.
ronjazz
WORD!
Look, let's talk frankly:
The Bushies let 9/11 happen either
through incompetence or design.
There aren't any other alternatives
that I can see.
well, they could just examine the WTC steel. but unfortunately it was immediately shipped to China for melting.
gary in fl
Really?
Gee, I wonder WHY!
No money for Hillary from me.
No padding Hil's pac fund in 'o6 for '08.
Why not Hillary? Easy. She boosts GOP turnout.
By 08, the country will be a financial mess. Like '94 and '80 and '74 and '64 electons, when a party's mid-level supporters (not the hardcore)stays home, the party loses big time.
Hillary skews that expected falloff in GOP turnout from the Bush mess in '08. they hate her so much, they'll ignore the GOP disaster of 8 years. And too many D's don't like her either.
So no money for Hillary.
I think it's really fucked that the same wingers used to criticize and condemn the "commies" for doing what they gleefully support Prince Fuckwit and his Ass Clown Posse for doing now in this country!
Last night I was trying to stay awake to watch Never on Sunday. TCM ran this old propaganda film cld The Hoaxsters narrated by Robert Taylor and Walter Pidgeon and a few others. It was pretty facinating to see the comparisons between the Nazi's,Fascists,Totalitarians and Communists. Point was that Freedom and Liberty can slip out the window when the populace falls for all the crap that comes down the sewers. Anyone see this little reel at 1:30am?
hmm. the troll at my place has just threatened me with death by beating. and he's in the military. i wonder to whom i should report this?
chicago dyke
SURE, he's in the military.
101st Fighting Keyboarders.
is wirtten by a phsics professor who points out that the WTC did not buckle from the steel burning.
Tarheel | Email | 12.10.05 - 2:04 pm | #
Who hypothesizes that the WTC's did not collapse because of the gasoline fires based partially on equivocal video footage and based in part on the presence of molten metals in the wreckage.
A far cry from pointing out what did or did not cause the buildings to collapse.
They played it smart though. Give the old folks what looks like a happy meal with the Medicare Drug Program and wait til the second term to try and kill Social Security. If they'd gone after SS two years ago, Kerry would be preznit.
flory
You betcha.
Consider that the neocons have been working to have an administration for years. As dumb as it sounds, they are working for world domination; outside of the pop culture that we produce. They've been able to infiltrate the UN, world bank, and various other forms of diplomacy.
They got what they wanted. It's an "us vs. them" mentality. They want the rest of the world to be in awe of us; but the rest of the world is catching on.
Now, when will the rest of America catch on?
No money for Hillary from me.
No padding Hil's pac fund in 'o6 for '08.
I wish BartCop.com would STOP pushing her.
He doesn't want to hear any argument about it.
She can't win!
And I do not WANT another RePUKE in the White House.
Look, let's talk frankly:
The Bushies let 9/11 happen either
through incompetence or design.
There aren't any other alternatives
that I can see.
steve simels | Email | 12.10.05 - 2:14 pm | #
Exactly, either way it's the most heinous of crimes....what I don't understand is that some people don't believe that anyone is capable of such a monstrous act. But when you look at the record of these people, it's just another notch on the club.
Remember when the Soviets used to use terms like "American imperialism"?
Little did we know it was a prophecy!
However it gets financed, that will be a wonderful day for you two.
Max Planck
Thanks, Max.
Oh, and you all are invited...
Provided that you actually want to come to St. Paul.
BTW: How does one go about setting up a slush fund???
There was some effer on here last night saying that all that have died in Iraq diserved it. Also said that we should be storming congress and forceably removing all of those in charge.
Apparently, this person never heard of Gandhi.
Zap Rowsdower, young'n
I'm for storming the White House.
Anyone see this little reel at 1:30am?
footlooseandfancyfree | Email | 12.10.05 - 2:16 pm | #
I caught that, too. TCM has been
running really interesting short
of late....Friday they also had
something called "Meet Mr. Germ."
It was a half live, half animated
short health flick about tuberculosis -- directed
by the great Edgar G. Ulmer, of
all people.
I'm for storming the White House.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
With what?
I want these fuckers out as much as the next person. But I don't want some fricking violent civil war to have to do it.
We're talking in hyperbolies here.
Indict the fucker. Show the rest of the world that we're serious about participatory democracy. Boycott the electorial process to show their illegitimacy if you have to.
No. More. Bloodshed.
sheets y'all.
That is complicity
No negligence or recklessness is not the same as intent. Not the same at all. And it matters
Your allegations that the administration may only be guilty of negligence, is in my mind a high crime...since priority #1 is protecting the citizens of this country....also that claim is just as baseless as mine...that they were directly complicit...In fact, I think the histroy of this administrations misdeeds lends credibibbilty to my argument.
Whether or not it is a high crime or misdemeanor is essentially a politcal question since the only body capable of legally removing the president from office outside of an election is congress. Even if he LIHOP, it would only be a "high crime or misdemeanor" within the confines of impeachment if congress were willing to impeach him. Though, I think even this congress would have a tough time not doing so if it could be shown in some concrete and conclusive way that he LIHOP. But pure incompetence has never been a bar to being the President.
Further, I don't think that the history of this administration supports much beyond the fact of their 1)absolute certainty of the rightness of what they are doing 2)regardless of and even in spite of(sometimes overwhelming) evidence to the contrary, 3) a willingness to use the executive branch in such a way that the evidence spins in their favor 4) even if the spin has nothing to do with the primary pupose of their policy.
I have no doubt that they wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11, however I think that it is unlikely that they let 9/11 happen so they could get to Iraq. Rather, they saw 9/11 as the opening to do so.
I think this Rick Perlstein Speech is a pretty good sumamry about the hows and whys of the way that these guys operate.
and 5) There absolute inability to pull anything but an election of with any skill whatsoever.
what I don't understand is that some people don't believe that anyone is capable of such a monstrous act. But when you look at the record of these people, it's just another notch on the club.
Um..France, Holland, Britain, United States? Brush up your history on the period 1945-1955.
Example: When national liberation movement pushed the colonials out, the white men would ususally fire a salvo of farewell...at their capitals.
When the Dutch left Indonesia, they fired naval artillery at Jakarta, killing 6,000 people. Just to say, "good-bye".
Um..France, Holland, Britain, United States? Brush up your history on the period 1945-1955.
How does that pertain to my statement that "what I don't understand is that some people don't believe that anyone is capable of such a monstrous act. But when you look at the record of these people, it's just another notch on the club"
Please refrain from snooty or derisive comments
I have no doubt that they wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11, however I think that it is unlikely that they let 9/11 happen so they could get to Iraq. Rather, they saw 9/11 as the opening to do so.
We are just going to have to disagree on the intentions of this administration. I see them as more nefarious. Also when referring to their history of misdeeds, I specifically had in mind the invasion of Iraq which has resulted in houndred of thousands of innocent Iraqi's being massacred.
When it comes to leading Democrats and Iraq, we've seen it all. First, they voted for the war; then they claimed it was a lie. Some Democrats have called for immediate withdrawal, others call for a phased withdrawal, and others are saying they won't have a position until it's "the right time". Now, some of the democrat leaders have taken their most extreme and dangerous position yet; predicting the defeat of our troops in Iraq.
Watch the new web video, "Retreat and Defeat," that exposes this cut-and-run strategy for what it is.
Watch Howard Dean saying that we won't win in Iraq, and John Kerry talking about our troops "terrorizing" children in the dead of night. Think about the message this sends to our troops; that we will be intimidated by terrorists and assassins, and that we walk away from their mission.
Our troops are watching. America is watching. Send these Democrats the message that surrender is not an option; and that we stand together with our troops for victory in Iraq.
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Thanks for these kind words. I am running for U.S. Congress in the 26th District (in North Texas). Money, what money? I just started and am still in the process of getting a campaign treasurer.
In Texas you need 500 signatures to get on the ballot (Jan 3rd deadline) or pay about $3,000 in filling fees. Then there is the web site, campaign manager, position papers, and money.
My Republican opponent spent somewhere near $1 million on his last campaign. The Democrat spent less than $40k.
As the man said on a West Wing episode, "No one said it would be easy, but it should not be this hard."
The way to solve this problem is full public funding of elections. It works in maine and arizona, it just passed in connecticut and has a good shot of passing the legislature in california in 2006. anyone who says we can't afford it hasn't done the math - the CA version, for example, would cost about $135 million/year - that's about 1/10th of 1% of the state budget. in my view, we can't afford not to enact full public funding for elections. it's the only campaign finance reform that has worked, the only way to free candidates to meet with the people, to work for the people, and be accountable to the people, and it is the only way to rid our political system from the corrupting influence of ever-larger sums of money coming from ever narrower interests.
Is there anyone running against Diane Feinstein in the next primary for her US-Senator seat for California?
She, like Lieberman, is basically a Republican. Look at the voting record. (Pro Bankruptcy Bill, tax cuts, military spending, endless war and pork, the works.) Someone strong really needs aggressively to challenge her and Lieberman in their Democratic primaries.
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