I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
FRIST
"and I will continue to to do so as long as I am Pesident"
OMG
Secoond
Can all of us truly be outraged now?????
When will all Americans wake up to the menace of this administration?
from my quick notes, but admitted to reauthorizing spying 30 times, and will continue to do so.
I wonder how the official transcript will read.
We need to get him out of there.
Now.
haloscan seems to have eaten this, trying again:
A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
War powers, baby. He's got 'em and you don't.
Bush just admitted guilt, proudly. Stunning, really.
Not really. He's got a compliant press, control of the intelligence agencies, and a hardcore, if incredibly small, number of fanatical brownshirted stormtroopers who will shout down all opposition.
Welcome to Nazi Germany.
NYMary...YES he did use the word "Homefront"
That's it. I'm getting in my car & driving five hours and kicking his pasty, shitfilled ass.
Thers can watch the kids.
holy shit:
Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
....
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/d...05/
a09lo650.htm
Dumbfounded.
Flabbergasted.
Really, really, really pissed off.
I thought yesterdyay he couldn't talk about intelligence activities as it would jeopardize our safety.
What changed over night?
And yet he gets away with it?
.
And I see Dear Leader is scheduling another "speech" in prime time tomorrow night... a Christmas pageant of adolation and worship for all you moronic brownshirt fucks.
a hardcore, if incredibly small, number of fanatical brownshirted stormtroopers who will shout down all opposition.
They're not going to settle for shouting, dave.
Total war!
Bush just helped the terrorists!
Dumbfounded.
Flabbergasted.
Really, really, really pissed off.
watertiger
Meet you in DC. And I'll drive, so I'll be on time. You have a much better chance of besting him, anyway.
Shorter Bush: Fuck you, I'm president
I wonder how long until a transcript appears.
sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
And the bullshit keeps on flying:
The Bush administration had emphasized the threat of weapons of mass destruction as a reason to go to war in Iraq but such weapons were never found.
Senior U.S. officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, had also warned before the war of possible links between Hussein's government and the planners of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
Bush acknowledged on Friday there was no evidence of such a link.
"There was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the attack of 9/11," Bush said. "I've never said that and never made that case prior to going into Iraq."
Well, Mao is linked directly to Osama bin Ladin. They met in Prague.
In the spirit of the season, let's all sing along:
It's beginning to feel a lot like 1934, ev-ry-where I goooo!
sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
Yes!!
.
Since we've been declared an homefront in the GWOT, I'll volunteer to head the rubber drive.
And the kid didn't even end up with the book.
You all may or may not know, that Phoenix Public Library is one of only ten federally funded ILL centers in the country - it's a major reason for my staying here (other than the delightful summertimes). I use ILL all the time - and you know, it'd be a lot of fun to find out what the hell kind of 'watchlist' is being maintained and by whom..
Let's see.
They're not going to settle for shouting...
DING DING DING DING!
We have a weiner!!!
sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
iceblue
It's actively encouraged.
Well, Mao is linked directly to Osama bin Ladin. They met in Prague
with the Quakers
We have a weiner!!!
Who's "we"?
Shorter Bush: Fuck you, I'm president
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sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
iceblue
No. Some of us find it offensive to refer to W as "president."
How many times have I said, it just can't get any worse. And it always does.
You know, I'll just settle for him hanging by his heels in the public square, a la Mussolini... but that's just the tradtionalist in me!
dave™
You're into the classics. I like that.
Maybe we should buy him a bunker.
I thought all these separation of power issues were settled by the election of 1800.
I wonder how long until a transcript appears.
A heavily edited transcript.
It's a stunning admission given how many Senators on both sides of the aisle are against him on this.
A big Fuck you and Bring it on
Mao was playing tennis in Chevy Chase that very day.
So, like...USians are actually coming to realise they don't live in a democracy?
...Colour me shocked.
Time to put England back in charge for a couple of years, while you guys get a tune-up.
A heavily edited transcript.
They can edit the official transcript, but they can't recall the broadcast.
Can we start using the phrase Imperial Presidency yet???
Time to put England back in charge for a couple of years, while you guys get a tune-up.
No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
Way to restore honor and integrity to the White House, Mr. Preznit.
GWB: The sky is green.
Sane person: No, the sky is blue.
GWB: No, the sky is blue.
Sane person: But you just said the sky is green.
GWB: No I didn't.
Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning? That's just weird as hell...
um, rule of law?
No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
NYMary
No, Estonia's too Baltic. We need Iceland.
Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning?
Criminals?
No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
I'd prefer Andorra.
How many times have I said, it just can't get any worse. And it always does.
My cynicism has been burnished to such a state that if I let it loose in the daytime, everything within a mile radius suffers from temporary blindness.
.
Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning? That's just weird as hell...
daveinseattle
I was wondering about that too. Maybe trying to control the discourse of the Sunday pundits?
Did anyone else just see Pat Buchanan talking about this on MSNBC? He actually said the word impeachment.
"If the Democrats have a problem with this and they think it's illegal then let them impeach him.
Wow.
The hope is that John Bonifaz, the Constitutional Law attorney, is paying attention to all this and that what Bush has done will give Bonifaz more ammunition to lay the groundwork for his eventual impeachment.
No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
I say, hail, hail Freedonia - land of the brave and free!!!
um, rule of law?
Old time hockey? Eddie Shorr?
I'm wondering what the repukes in Congress are thinking? At least some of their sphincters should be getting a little tight about now.
Good morning, Moonbats! Another day, another outrage.
" Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning?"
Criminals?
DING DING DING DING DING!
Another weiner!!!
So how does he top himself Sunday night, martial law?
When does the ring kissing begin?
What can we say about this, really? It's so wrong, and he doesn't give a flying fuck. As Atrios said, "Stunning, really."
My outrage meter died due to overload during the last 5 years.
Can I just say I hate him with all my fucking might, and I want him impeached?
ok, apparently I was in bed while Atrios took on TRB and the Anonymous Liberal, but I think everybody's missing the real phenomenon here.
What's really changed from the good old balanced media we remember is social class.
Instead of getting our news from:
Walter Cronkite (U. Texas),
Dan Rather (Sam Houston State),
David Brinkley (who after stints at UNC and Emory dropped out of Vanderbilt to join the Army),
Chet Huntley (U. Washington),
Ed Murrow (Washington State),
Tom Brokaw (Iowa/South Dakota),
and Peter Jennings (who never graduated from either high school or college),
we now get it from
Anderson Cooper (Yale),
Kelli Arena (NYU),
Wolf Blitzer (SUNY Buffalo/Johns Hopkins),
Lou Dobbs (Harvard),
Jeff Greenfield (Wisconsin/Yale Law),
Daryn Kagan (Stanford),
Howard Kurtz (SUNY Buffalo/Columbia),
Miles O'Brien (Georgetown),
Soledad O'Brien (Harvard),
Bill Schneider (Brandeis/Harvard),
Chris Wallace (Harvard),
Fred Barnes (Virginia/Harvard),
Brit Hume (Virginia),
Bill O'Reilly (Marist/BU/Harvard),
John Podhoretz (Chicago),
and Mara Liasson (Brown), to name a few.
I don't think the problem is conscious bias, or "rigid adherence to certain journalistic conventions". I think the problem is that the people we get our news from are just accustomed to looking at the world from a position of money, power, and privilege.
What the press needs is affirmative action for people with small-time public school educations - and I don't mean Miami of Ohio frat boys like Bill Hemmer.
I admit this doesn't explain why so many people these days prefer to get their news from Jon Stewart (William & Mary) and Stephen Colbert(Hampden-Sydney/Northwestern).
Was Buchanan's comment a subtle warning to Repukes not to cross party lines here? But a lot of them have to stand for election next year. I think they will.
They can edit the official transcript, but they can't recall the broadcast.
Yet.
The British are coming, the British are coming...
ON MSNBC: Pat Buchanan said if the Dems have a problem with it, let them impeach him - whoever was on the other side (I was only listening) said: noooo, I don't think we are talking impeachment...
I AM
Hi Hecate!
I received the e-mail, and it makes sense! I'm going with it!
Thanks!
And I see Dear Leader is scheduling another "speech" in prime time tomorrow night...
yep, and it's totally calculated to get the nsa spying story off the front pages. chimpy gives his sunday nite speech (how many times has THAT happened before) and the tv chatterboxes swoon about the president's 'bold and resolute' stand and newfound 'candor'.
the senate breaks for the holiday and specter's outrage and promise to call immediate hearings will evaporate just like the snowman melting in the park across the street.
And I see Dear Leader is scheduling another "speech" in prime time tomorrow night... a Christmas pageant of adolation and worship for all you moronic brownshirt fucks.
dave™
I just know that moron is going to fuck up the Bears game telecast.
Goodbye 4th Amendment its been nice to know ya I'm sure gonna miss you.
NYMary...YES he did use the word "Homefront"
That's it. I'm getting in my car & driving five hours and kicking his pasty, shitfilled ass.
Thers can watch the kids.
Call me when you get here. I'll come bail you out and you can spend the night at my house.
Gee, I wonder where HollywoodNeoCon is now? I'm sure this is just the sort of thing he was looking for.
iceblue
I second that emotion!
Hi,
I'm new here. I wondered if the Republicans must NOW call for hearings into the impeachment of King George or if our only hope is a democratic congress in 06?
Remember, even if we could take the Senate in 06 (which to me seems sort of possible) I'm not sure we can take back the house, particularly after Delay stacked it with his Texas redistricting cohorts.
No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
NYMary
No, Estonia's too Baltic. We need Iceland.
Vicki | Email | 12.17.05 - 10:36 am | #
How about Sweden. Maybe New Zealand (though without foreign minister Winston Peters, who is an ass).
I'd prefer Andorra.
watertiger
I've actually been there.
President Stalin says the NYT has helped the enemy. Which is on the quantum level of ludicrous. There is only one entity, one man in fact, who can be accused of helping the enemy in this case. And that's Bush, the fascist who's using HArold and the Purple Crayon for a victory handbook.
He said he got the Attorney General to
sign off dozens off times. Ashcroft? That guys a walking spectre of doom!
The British are coming, the British are coming...
Thank the Goddess. I, for one, would welcome our British, Canadian, or Mexican overlords.
if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
Hey Hecate - Where you been all morning. Hope you didn't enjoy Fitz too much. Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
theodoric (northwestern)
This University of Tennessee alumnus thinks you may be on to something.
It's only class warfare when the lower class fights back. Absent that, it's just business as usual.
Durbin who is on the Intelligence Committee says he was never briefed on the NSA program
Welcome, Silence is Complicity.
Three years is a long, long, loooooooonnnng time. My bet is the Repugs will evenutally impeach Bush themselves. It won't hurt to have a Dem Senate, though.
What did Bush say?
The Bushistas know their ace is anxiety over terrorism. They have played the "fear of terrorism" card masterfully.
In their minds another attack will vindicate their actions and send Bush's approval ratings back up at the expense of all who criticize him.
I agree. I simply don't buy the idea that such an attack would be viewed as a failure by most Americans. Emotions and a desire for retaliation will drive Bush's ratings. I know many of you disagree.
The response to another attack after some major US military retaliatory operation will be to forcefully and permanently cut out the liberals and "appeasers" from US public discourse.
Just watch.
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Dick Durbin just said what I told an Indian coworker yesterday...that we have laws against spying on American citizens and that doing so is like the old Soviet Union....
if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
Atrios
If Bush's speech runs into The Grinch or It's A Wonderful Life, there will be major hell to pay.
No one fucks with my Grinch.
Capitol Hill Blues constitution story doesn't sound so strange now does it?
Silence,
Welcome.
I'm new here. I wondered if the Republicans must NOW call for hearings into the impeachment of King George or if our only hope is a democratic congress in 06?
Conventional wisdom in these parts is that we couldn' get impeachment out of this house. Dunno, though: if scout's right and they're rustling uncomfortably, we might be able to get some traction. Bush can't run again, but they all can and will and have to soon.
Remember, even if we could take the Senate in 06 (which to me seems sort of possible) I'm not sure we can take back the house, particularly after Delay stacked it with his Texas redistricting cohorts.
Our Texas lawyers here tell us that SCOTUS doesn't like the redistricting, that they may well roll it back before 06. Maybe, maybe not. But Republican approval ratings are tanking everywhere.
Why do I have the feeling that if I go to Winnipeg in February the US migra may not let me back in?
He's insane, you know.
Vicki,
Glad it made sense! Any time; don't hesitate to ask.
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Saturday he personally has authorized a secret eavesdropping program in the U.S. more than 30 times since the Sept. 11 attacks and he lashed out at those involved in publicly revealing the program.
"This is a highly classified program that is crucial to our national security," he said in a radio address delivered live from the White House's Roosevelt Room.
"This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties and that is exactly what I will continue to do as long as I am president of the United States," Bush said.
Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague.
No one fucks with my Grinch.
Vicki
How the Grinch started a War on Christmas
http://www.msnbc.com/comics/dail...?
sFile=td051217
Why do I have the feeling that if I go to Winnipeg in February the US migra may not let me back in?
Hope?
if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge...
Most of you kids are too young to remember this, but I've always held that the turning point for the Carter presidency came when he pre-empted the premiere of the incredibly-hyped opening episode of the original "Battlestar Galactica" so he could announce a major breakthrough in Middle East peace negotiations...
Durbin who is on the Intelligence Committee says he was never briefed on the NSA program
scout prime
I'm not surprised. My Senators Durbin and Obama better raise holy hell over this one. Fuck we need to stand up to this monster.
Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague.
I'm stealing that for a bumpersticker...
NYMary, wait for Monday - Sallyh has to collect her knives.
He's insane, you know.
I'm beginning to believe that.
if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
I hope it's a Texans game.
At least Bush has the guts to deal with the newly formed Communist Islamic and Friends Front (CIFF) before it gains a toehold in our homeland.
Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
sj
An absolutely stupid question: how can you wiretap the Amish? Bugging, maybe, but it seems to me they lack the, er, equipment for wiretapping.
The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties
Great job there, George.
if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
Be great if there were another "Heidi moment"
We need to get him out of there.
um, I hate to be the party-pooper, but let me remind you that if you get rid of Chimpy, you're stuck with Big Time.
and HASTERTRON3000™ after that.
and then Cryin' Ted Stevens, and then Doktor Rice.
Morning, ql! Don't worry; I left some, um, Fitzy goodness for you, too. A deal's a deal. But we ain't sharing with any other susie-come-latelies.
Can we start using the phrase Imperial Presidency yet???
RealTexan
The White House would be flattered.
.
He's insane, you know.
Tim Finnegan
Probably not.
Bushco has basically gotten what it wanted for five long years. Republicans since god knows wehn have dictated the social and economic agenda.
Sure they are brazen and arrogant and totalitarian, but not insane.
Crazy people make mistakes that screw them up.
Well, remember the parody search for Weapons of Mass Destruction™ at the correspondents' dinner? The assembled scribblers all thought it was just a riot. It doesn't matter what he does, they continue to treat him with deference. He could walk into a press conference and do The Aristocrats act, and Karl Cannon would describe him as a Linconesque visionary.
Hecate, on the thread last night you had your own personal troll. (We all took turns smiting them for you. 
)
At least Bush has the guts to deal with the newly formed Communist Islamic and Friends Front (CIFF) before it gains a toehold in our homeland.
tbone
Then why didn't he get the required court orders for that tbone?
BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
I'm beginning to think that my "All We Are Saying is Give Impeachment a Chance" bumper sticker is too nice altogether.
The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution
And that which is unconstitutional?
Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
sj
An absolutely stupid question: how can you wiretap the Amish? Bugging, maybe, but it seems to me they lack the, er, equipment for wiretapping.
NYMary
Quakers got tapped.
Nixon was a Quaker.
Go figure.
Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague.
I'm stealing that for a bumpersticker...
You do, and I'm buying a bunch of them. Can I get them in time for Yule?
Fuck you, fundies.
Ford will again advertise in gay publications
Ads resume after criticism from gay rights groups
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Advertisements featuring Ford Motor Co.'s eight vehicle brands will run in gay publications, the automaker said Wednesday, acting after gay rights groups complained when Jaguar and Land Rover pulled their spots.
Ford is not ordering those luxury brands to resume their specific ads. Rather, the company's ads in the publications will promote all of its lines, which also include Ford, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercury, Volvo and Aston Martin.
Last week, Ford cited a need to reduce its marketing costs in explaining why it no longer would advertise Jaguar and Land Rover in several gay publications.
On Wednesday, Ford wrote the gay rights groups that the luxury brands "made a business decision about their media plans and it would be inconsistent with the way we manage our business to direct them to do otherwise."
Ford pledged to run corporate ads in the publications that will include the entire Ford lineup.
"It is my hope that this will remove any ambiguity about Ford's desire to advertise to all important audiences and put this particular issue to rest," wrote Joe Laymon, Ford's group vice president for corporate human resources.
The gay groups had suggested a connection between the withdrawn Jaguar and Land Rover ads and pressure from conservative groups. Ford denied a connection.
In May the American Family Association announced a boycott of Ford vehicles and criticized Ford for making contributions to gay rights groups, offering benefits to same-sex partners and recruiting gay employees. The organization called off the boycott late last month.
Several gay rights groups said the move created the perception that Ford had struck a deal with the AFA to reduce its advertising in gay publications. Gay leaders met with Ford on Monday and asked that the automaker reinstitute the advertising and distance itself from the Mississippi-based AFA.
Ford's Laymon said the ads' "content will be appropriate and effective in connecting with the intended audience."
The move was hailed by gay organizations. Neil Giuliano of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation credited the company with listening to its concerns and making "a clear statement of nondiscrimination and inclusion."
"Fairness and equality wins out in corporate America," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign.
A message left Wednesday with the family association was not immediately returned.
Ford's chairman and chief executive, Bill Ford, said Monday that the automaker values "all people -- regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and cultural or physical differences."
and then Cryin' Ted Stevens, and then Doktor Rice.
theodoric -- 10:48 am
then i guess we'll jut have to purge 'em all, won't we?
Bugging, maybe
Buggying.
BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
sj
I thought it was Buck Naked or Buck Wild.
how can you wiretap the Amish?
There are public phones in Amish country (which probably get more of a workout than pay phones most other places these days). Like motor vehicles, though, they just don't have them at home.
theodoric, I think there is prolly enough malfeasance to get everyone of the sumbitches you mentioned.
Besides, it is not going to happen until after the next elections: if ever. If we win, yes. If we lose . . .
Crazy people make mistakes that screw them up.
Pick one.
Quakers got tapped.
Nixon was a Quaker.
Go figure.
I wasn't really talking ethics, of which they clearly have none. I was talking technology.
Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
sj
An absolutely stupid question: how can you wiretap the Amish? Bugging, maybe, but it seems to me they lack the, er, equipment for wiretapping.
Well, some Amish kids recently were arrested for drug dealing so I assume there are some not so Orthodox Amish...
Besides, I believe they are even allowed to ride in cars...just not drive them personally.
The Amish are not Quakers. Quakers have telephones.
Hecate, on the thread last night you had your own personal troll. (We all took turns smiting them for you
My gosh; I have arrived! Thanks for the smiting. Was I namestolen?
Texas redistricting is being reviewed by SCOTUS. If any action occurs, it would be nice if they act soon. However, DeLay popularity is dropping like a rock, and threatens to take a few others with him.
None of this is to suggest that I think the House will switch sides, unless a similar backlash against Republicans happens elsewhere, which looks like could happen in parts of Texas.
The main thing to remember about this, is Bush just admitted a criminal act. Executive orders cannot contravene Federal Law.
What worries me is - if the patriot act is not renewed or curbs what they perceive as necessary spying, (don your tin foil hat) I can see them (ok, Cheney) executing some kind of 'terrorist plot' involving minimal loss of life (collateral damage)to show that we NEED them to protect us.
Maybe they aren't that desperate, but I don't trust them anymore - at all - for anything.
Everytime I think we have hit rock bottom, the admin does something more horrible and rock bottom has to be re-defined. How low can we go? When will people wake up?
Ford's chairman and chief executive, Bill Ford, said Monday that the automaker values "all people -- regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and cultural or physical differences."
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Actually it onlyu proves what money grubbing whores Ford really is.
They didn't choose to change policy. They were pressured by one side then the other.
No honesty to it.
Fuck you, fundies -- more:
Ford has been lauded for offering an inclusive work environment for gays and lesbians. Annual studies by the Human Rights Campaign in 2004 and 2005 gave Ford a perfect score on corporate policies and practices toward the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community.
"The statement released today is representative of the Ford Motor Co. that we've known and respected for years, not the company that was alleged to exist over the last two weeks," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
Ford, General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG introduced same-sex domestic partner benefits in 2000.
There are public phones in Amish country (which probably get more of a workout than pay phones most other places these days). Like motor vehicles, though, they just don't have them at home.
Fair enough. But what kind of seditious conversation could they be having?
Well, at least that explains why the country is so fucked up. The president has no respect for the rule of law.
And he takes it an Orwellian step later.
Qeustioning his crime means that you are in favor of aiding and avetting the enemy? This man knows no bound low enough tto protect his big lie.
But then again, we did vote in a spoiled, dry drunk, incompetent, bible thumper, so what can I expect.
Go Bubble Boy.
Gotta love the Times for ruining Bubble Iraq Victory Friday. (the Iranian's victory being the true story. And the Sharia of course.) He's coming on TV tomorrow to announce his victory no doubt. Providing fresh fuel to the insurgent/freedom fighters.
Did I just say Freedom Fighter? I'll no doubt be getting an NSA tap soon!
FUCK BUSH!
Hi NSA! Howe arew you putzes? Come and tap me baby! I want my $100.00 beans a day for it.
Actually it onlyu proves what money grubbing whores Ford really is.
They didn't choose to change policy. They were pressured by one side then the other.
No honesty to it.
Shinobi
Exactly.
They thought about how much money they'd lose.
Jebus ain't got a chance against the Almighty Dollar!
What worries me is - if the patriot act is not renewed or curbs what they perceive as necessary spying, (don your tin foil hat) I can see them (ok, Cheney) executing some kind of 'terrorist plot' involving minimal loss of life (collateral damage)to show that we NEED them to protect us.
Maybe they aren't that desperate, but I don't trust them anymore - at all - for anything.
iceblue
Happened already.
We call it 911.
They call it Operation Northwoods activated.
if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge...
Most of you kids are too young to remember this, but I've always held that the turning point for the Carter presidency came when he pre-empted the premiere of the incredibly-hyped opening episode of the original "Battlestar Galactica" so he could announce a major breakthrough in Middle East peace negotiations...
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 10:46 am | #
Funny, I don't remember that. And I was eagerly awaiting the premiere of BG. Ah, a 12 yr old's memories.
But I don't think the WH cares about football.
then i guess we'll jut have to purge 'em all, won't we?
Exactly. It's my country. I want to take it back or go down trying.
Question #1: How does the NSA identify which emails are "international"? I mean hell, are all of Yahoo's mail servers (e.g.) in the US? And do they have wiretaps that only turn on if someone dials an international code?
BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
sj
I thought it was Buck Naked or Buck Wild.
Saw the episode couple of days ago...at one of the companies where George worked..his boss named a coworker tbone...and george was jealous...while watching George berate the guy named tbone about the fact that he wanted the nickname, the boss decided George's nickname was CoCo the monkey.
Exactly.
They thought about how much money they'd lose.
Jebus ain't got a chance against the Almighty Dollar!
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Worse than that. If the fundies can prove Ford will lose even more money, kiss the gay thing goodbye.
That is the whole problem with what Ford did.
Everyone in the blogosphere should order the Mao book "The Little Red Book" from that same library and all of us get a visit, and then do a class action lawsuit. some are already working on that.
Trolls last night were unbelievable.
And I don't believe that one "looser" WAS a woman.
I think it was Gordo.
He's the one who likes to make comments on the weight of people he's never seen.
I'm guessing that Bush has never been held accountable for anything in his life, and really doesn't understand the concept. I also think that if he was truly held accountable, the bravado would come crashing down, and we'd see what we caught a 7-minute glimpse of in that classroom when Card told him the country was under attack.
No, just some fundie. She was smitten repeatedly though, she left.
(Her homepage was bible.com - too bad she never read the thing)
This ties into the DWD pan-theology theory. We are all just trying to reach peace and understanding. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Why do they choose to hate when someone chooses a different way of approaching their own quest?
Sometimes I don't like people much.
If we had half the balls the Ukranians have, we'd be in the streets, shutting down xmas and every other goddamn thing until Bush resigned. I mean it. And I'm an old woman with a bum ankle that hurts in the cold and a brief due soon, and I would be in the streets every single day if I weren't the only one out there.
Well, some Amish kids recently were arrested for drug dealing so I assume there are some not so Orthodox Amish...
Besides, I believe they are even allowed to ride in cars...just not drive them personally.
From 16-19, there's an unofficial sort of "free" card for Amish teens, and yes, drugs are a serious problem then, paticularly meth. If hey want to come back to the community from the world, they can, or they can stay out.
True story: I havd a friend in grad school whose dad was an Amish rebel. He became an electrician.
Question #2: How can the media be so sure that their email and telephone conversations are not being monitored?
I am damn sure that Robert Scheer at least is being spied on.
Bugging, maybe
Buggying.
I just knew that someone was gonna beat me to that punch.
Maybe they aren't that desperate, but I don't trust them anymore - at all - for anything.
I dont recall stepping out into the sunshine yet this morning...
How are yer eyes iceblue?
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perceive as necessary spying, (don your tin foil hat) I can see them (ok, Cheney) executing some kind of 'terrorist plot'
last nite tweety implied in comments to frank lautenberg that 9/11 was the fault of democrats, who had been too concerned with civil liberties had somehow (in his fevered imaginings) prevented govt surveillance of atta and pals. he failed to mention cheney's never held task force meetings; nor rice's many failures re the pdb.
As someone said the other day; scratch a republican, find a monarchist.
But the problem is really best defined as a fear problem. this country, which beat the facist menance of the 30's and 40's; and beat the Cold War fears of a world ending war (literally) are
now so afaid that a train might get blown up that we are willing to surrender all that America means to make us safe?
What Cowardly Traitors these people are.
What is worse, what lesser children of greater parents they are.
As someone said the other day; scratch a republican, find a monarchist.
But the problem is really best defined as a fear problem. this country, which beat the facist menance of the 30's and 40's; and beat the Cold War fears of a world ending war (literally) are
now so afaid that a train might get blown up that we are willing to surrender all that America means to make us safe?
What Cowardly Traitors these people are.
What is worse, what lesser children of greater parents they are.
I'm guessing that Bush has never been held accountable for anything in his life, and really doesn't understand the concept. I also think that if he was truly held accountable, the bravado would come crashing down, and we'd see what we caught a 7-minute glimpse of in that classroom when Card told him the country was under attack.
What Paul said.
"Karl? Dick? Can't you guys fix this?"
Well, Mao is linked directly to Osama bin Ladin. They met in Prague.
Moe Szyslak
They were beach buddies on the banks of the Yellow River back in the day. They used to argue over whether Red or Green empires were the future of the world, in a joshing friendly mass killer kind of way.
The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution
The American people wanted Bin Laden killed or captured too. Whatever happened to him?
"Then why didn't he get the required court orders for that tbone?"
When I said Communists, Muslims and Quakers had combined to form a group I was kidding.
BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
People called me tbone on my high school baseball team. I would be sad to hear that a fictional characteer reached back into the 70s and plucked my nickname from me.
No, just some fundie. She was smitten repeatedly though, she left.
(Her homepage was bible.com - too bad she never read the thing)
No, not Marge, the bitch who has a problem with witches.
It's "annieangel" I'm talking about.
Evil bitch.
She, Long Dong Silver and shoelimp (?) were getting on my nerves.
These people are getting crazier.
For those of you wishing to see your own copy (and maybe your very own 'Homeland Security' representatives) the LOC information is as follows:
Mao, Zedong, 1893-1976.
Quotations from chairman Mao Tse-tung.
[1st ed.]
Selections. English. 1966
Peking, Foreign Languages Press, 1966.
311 p. port. 14 cm.
CALL NUMBER: DS778.M3 A5155
last nite tweety implied in comments to frank lautenberg that 9/11 was the fault of democrats, who had been too concerned with civil liberties had somehow (in his fevered imaginings) prevented govt surveillance of atta and pals. he failed to mention cheney's never held task force meetings; nor rice's many failures re the pdb.
Guiliani's editorial in the Times this morning basically says the same thing.
I also don't remember the BG pre-emption. And that was a big part of my life! Funny how that works.
we'd see what we caught a 7-minute glimpse of in that classroom when Card told him the country was under attack.
I always thought what we saw in the classroom was Bush's shock that they used four planes.
The American people wanted Bin Laden killed or captured too.
He waved off OBL last night during the interview with Jim Lehrer.
There are public phones in Amish country (which probably get more of a workout than pay phones most other places these days). Like motor vehicles, though, they just don't have them at home.
Fair enough. But what kind of seditious conversation could they be having?
NYMary (SUNY)
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last nite tweety implied in comments to frank lautenberg that 9/11 was the fault of democrats, who had been too concerned with civil liberties had somehow (in his fevered imaginings) prevented govt surveillance of atta and pals. he failed to mention cheney's never held task force meetings; nor rice's many failures re the pdb.
bkny
What drug is Tweety on?
"Too concerned with civil liberties"??????
What the fuck is wrong with him?
What language is that Little Red Book in?
If we had half the balls the Ukranians have, we'd be in the streets, shutting down xmas and every other goddamn thing until Bush resigned. I mean it. And I'm an old woman with a bum ankle that hurts in the cold and a brief due soon, and I would be in the streets every single day if I weren't the only one out there.
Hecate - 10:55 am
i recall making the same remark a couple of years ago, to choruses of derision...
what i said yestiddy: we need to encircle the ShiteHouse with a couple of hundred thousand cursing, pitch-fork-wielding, burning-brand-shaking, hot-tar-spreading citizens.
if they shoot at us, we still win...
Meth and sex aren't sedition or terrorism.
If we had half the balls the Ukranians have, we'd be in the streets
They got a big grant from Freedom House to do that.
Why are all the college prof types suddenly listing their university with their name?
People called me tbone on my high school baseball team. I would be sad to hear that a fictional characteer reached back into the 70s and plucked my nickname from me.
Well tbone...I will just have to "ficticiously" picture you as George Castanza behind a keyboard.
Question #1: How does the NSA identify which emails are "international"? I mean hell, are all of Yahoo's mail servers (e.g.) in the US?
considering how google and yahoo are providing an assist to the chinese government with censorship and tracking dissidents, has anyone bothered to ask them what support/advice they are providing federal authorities who spy on americans.
He waved off OBL last night during the interview with Jim Lehrer.
"I'm aware of his work."
For those of you wishing to see your own copy
Hell, I used to own a copy. Picked it up at the 1986 World's Fair, I think.
High comedy.
I think my Republican first wife made me get rid of it.
For those of you wishing to see your own copy (and maybe your very own 'Homeland Security' representatives) the LOC information is as follows:
Mao, Zedong, 1893-1976.
Quotations from chairman Mao Tse-tung.
[1st ed.]
Selections. English. 1966
Peking, Foreign Languages Press, 1966.
311 p. port. 14 cm.
CALL NUMBER: DS778.M3 A5155
Well, I have my father's copy so I don't need to take it out of the library. Just sayin'
now so afaid that a train might get blown up that we are willing to surrender all that America means to make us safe?
That's my old man's fear in a nutshell!
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A Freeper talks some shit:
You get 'em, Mr. President! Get mad AND get even. And don't let those traitors pull this silly fecal matter any longer.
Meth and sex aren't sedition or terrorism.
Apparently, to the Bushitas pacifism is...
Meth and sex aren't sedition or terrorism.
NYMary (SUNY)
Tell THAT to the fundies.
DWD,
See theodoric's post @10:39.
Question #1: How does the NSA identify which emails are "international"? I mean hell, are all of Yahoo's mail servers (e.g.) in the US? And do they have wiretaps that only turn on if someone dials an international code?
I'm sure the email triggers are words and language, not country of origin or destination. Phone calls are likely done by targeting specific satellite signals or lines and specific phone numbers which increase exponentially when they get the phone companies to assist.
Just for the hell of it, Tim Finnegan
Tim Finnegan lived in Walkin Street,
A gentle Irish man mighty odd
He had a brogue both rich and sweet,
An' to rise in the world he carried a hod
Now you see he'd a sort of a tipplers way
with a love of the liquor poor Tim was born
And to help him on his way each day,
he'd a drop of the craythur every morn
Chorus:
Whack fol the dah do now dance with your partner
round the floor your trotters shake
Isn't it the truth I tell you,
lots of fun at Finnegan's Wake
One morning Tim felt rather full,
his head felt heavy which made him shake
He fell off his ladder and he broke his skull,
so they carried him home his corpse to wake
They wrapped him up in a nice clean sheet,
and laid him out there upon the bed
with a bottle of whiskey at his feet
and a barrel of porter at his head
Chorus
They all assembled at the wake,
and missus Widow Finnegan called for lunch
First she laid out tea and cake,
then pipes and tobacco and whiskey punch
Then Biddy Maloney began to cry,
"Such a lovely corpse, did you ever see,
Arah Tim mo chrio why did you die?",
"Shut up out of that ?" said Biddy McGee
Chorus
Then Jenny O'Hara ook up the job,
"Arah Biddy" says she "you're wrong, I'm sure"
Biddy gave her a clatter upon the gob
and sent her sprawling on the floor
Twas then the war did soon engage,
it was woman to woman and man to man
Shillelagh law did all engage
and a row and a ruction soon began
Chorus
Then Mickey Maloney raised up his head
when a naggin of whiskey flew at him
It missed, and landed upon the bed,
the whiskey splattered over poor oul Tim
Be dad he revives now see him rise
Tim Finnegans rising up in the bed
Cryin throwing whiskey around me place
T'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?"
Chorus
Meth and sex aren't sedition or terrorism.
NYMary (SUNY) |
Meth may be.
Point is Amish can't be kept down on the farm no more.
They frequent Walmart all the time.
A Freeper talks some shit:
You get 'em, Mr. President! Get mad AND get even. And don't let those traitors pull this silly fecal matter any longer.
Lime Rickey
I'm sorry, but these people are fucking retarded.
THEY're the ones who need to be rounded up and re-educated.
What does the Little Red Book have to do with "Islamofascism," which I thought was what the War on Terra was all about?
And can we HANG this bastard from Mt. Rushmore yet?
This could be viewed as his "I am not a crook" speech. Utterly defensive posture, on a Saturday morning, yet.
He waved off OBL last night during the interview with Jim Lehrer.
watertiger
No kidding?
Then I guess it really is over then.
The president, in the pursuit of his duties as president, is not subject to the laws. Citizens can offer their judgment of his performance every four years at the ballot box.
And when his offenses are in the second term or the lame duck portion of his first term...
Hmmm, dunno if I have Mao's Little Red Book around here someplace. I have a lot of Marx and Lenin, if that helps.
Ach, i gotta go run errands.
back in a bit.
In light of this latest news, I find myself recalling words like this:
''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." - Bush Official 9/04
(It's worth noting that when this person said "we are an empire", he wasn't talking about the USA, as a whole.)
what i said yestiddy: we need to encircle the ShiteHouse with a couple of hundred thousand cursing, pitch-fork-wielding, burning-brand-shaking, hot-tar-spreading citizens.
if they shoot at us, we still win...
WGG,
You are right. Maybe it's up to us old folks to start the revolution. Why MoveOn or some other group isn't organizing a mass demonstration to call for resignation or impeachment over this is beyond me.
If they shoot at old ladies and old men, well, let them shoot. They're only gonna kill me once, and I remember a patriot who was sorry that he only had one life to give for his country.
I get the feeling I just missed a speech or something?
I don't suppose the news that congress critters on both sides of the aisle want hearings on this has anything to do with the change in Bush's radio speech...
oh, and last night Quentin C. posted a portion of the proposed impeachment articles against Nixon which dealt exactly with the issue of illegal spying on US citizens. I may have to go hunting for that later.
No kidding?
Then I guess it really is over then.
He managed to segue, rather gracelessly, to how Al Qaeda marched into Iraq.
to quote NTodd, "and now I'm really going."
You get 'em, Mr. President! Get mad AND get even. And don't let those traitors pull this silly fecal matter any longer.
Lime Rickey
wanna stop that shit? hit em with: 'just think what hillary will be able to do with these powers.'
watch freeper spontaneously combust.
"What does the Little Red Book have to do with "Islamofascism," which I thought was what the War on Terra was all about?"
Ask the trolls that.
Last night, we had some asshole throwing the word "commie" around
like it was going out of style.
According to the nitwit, CNN is full of liberal bias.
I would like to know what COLOR the SKY is in HIS world.
What language is that Little Red Book in?
Moe Szyslak
Moe, that would be the unabridged, direct from Peking, English traduire.
There will be no election in 2008, because I say so.
Using the Hitler/Lincoln scale of leadership profiling, the current "President" of the United States is a 2. One notch away from Hitler, pretty much a copy of Stalin. And definetely the Anti-Christ.
Tis the Holidays folks, what do you think the War Man is going to talk to us about Sunday? Compassion? The spirit of giving? Inclusivity? Nah,
he's going to lie about his personal little war. He's desperate. We are done there. There are no more plans for us there. No more elections to hold out for. Nope, it's just a sharia based Iran client now. And the insurgents have not even armed themselves with real weapons yet. Shit, they kicked our ass, kicked the marines ass, with IEDs. We got our ass kicked, home made style. Our founding fathers would be proud. Of the Iraqi rebels!
I find it amusing that Bush had no warning this radio address was going to be televised. Perhaps the MSM is finally growing some balls.
Or more likely, they're throwing us rubes a bone. Who watches news at 10 am Saturday morning?
we need to encircle the ShiteHouse with a couple of hundred thousand cursing, pitch-fork-wielding, burning-brand-shaking, hot-tar-spreading citizens.
I've got a pitchfork, so count me in. Won't we need some feathers? When and where?
January’s Le Monde Diplomatique reports that the color-coordinated popular manifestations seen in Eastern European capitals may appear spontaneous, but they are less than what they seem. Behind the scenes, every detail is carefully planned.
Behind the slogans in Belgrade(Otpor::Resistance), Tbilisi (Kmara::Enough) and Kiev (Pora::Now) is a massive Western undertaking in funding and encouragement, including internships in organizational training and in getting the message out to the public.
Madeleine Albright’s National Democratic Institute, Senator John McCain’s International Republican Institute, George Soros’ Open Society and James Woolsey’s Freedom House are behind popular movements to bring the appropriate levels of stagecraft, press and public relations.
They seem to have given up on the Partnership for a Drug-Free America ads which tried to connect drugs and terrorism, I notice. But meth is homegrown dope. Only puts money into the pockets of the PWT. Very popular in depressed rural areas like the one I live in.
And kids, it's not the reading that's so worrisome - it's the feds monitoring Interlibrary Loan activity.
"You get 'em, Mr. President!"
Yeah, with his approval numbers in the low 30s, he's really "got 'em."
This is a case of a loser adoring one of his own kind.
Why MoveOn or some other group isn't organizing a mass demonstration to call for resignation or impeachment over this is beyond me.
cuz they'd be targeted for immediate persecution/prosecution for sedition, or some shit, i reckon...
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Ok, maybe he's not certifiable, but Bush's certianly on the soap bubble.
They seem to have given up on the Partnership for a Drug-Free America ads which tried to connect drugs and terrorism, I notice. But meth is homegrown dope. Only puts money into the pockets of the PWT. Very popular in depressed rural areas like the one I live in.
NYMary (SUNY)
Strange that meth is so rampant in the very places that went so big for Prince Fuckwit.
What about a "Constitutional Rights Waiver Form"? Anyone who defends Bush's executive privilege of bypassing Congress and the Constitution has to sign it.
"I, Chris Matthews, in order to assist the President in his responsibility of protecting my freedoms, do hereby renounce all claims to civil liberties under the Constitution of the United States, including but not limited to 1) protections against otherwise unlawful search and seizure; 2) freedom of speech; 3) habeas corpus; and 4) any rights to due process under the law."
Ok, maybe he's not certifiable, but Bush's certianly on the soap bubble.
Tim Finnegan
The morons who still support him aren't much better.
In other news, Bush just proposed to Jean Schmidt. In keeping with their Nazi principles, and luckily for the world, both will be sterilized.
What about a "Constitutional Rights Waiver Form"? Anyone who defends Bush's executive privilege of bypassing Congress and the Constitution has to sign it.
Yeah.........and leave the rest of us alone.
Strange that meth is so rampant in the very places that went so big for Prince Fuckwit.
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Nah. It makes perfect sense. Meth makes you stupid, violent, and irrational.
Gotta go walk dogs, then hang some sheetrock...
later, batzes...
yours in pitchforking, tar-and-feathering, and general insurgency...
cheers, chers
This is from an AP story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the first hit on Google News on this morn's radio address.
Bush said that the people inside the United States who have been eavesdropped on have been "determined to have a clear link to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations."
Notice that people can be Americans or not.
The story says that Bush "left no doubt that he will continue authorizing the program."
"I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al-Qaida and related groups,''
Notice that ths is statement is different from what WaterTiger reported above.
a hardcore, if incredibly small, number of fanatical brownshirted stormtroopers who will shout down all opposition.
They're not going to settle for shouting, dave.
NYMary
That's why I have RE-THOUGHT my stand on the Second Amendment.
According to Chamblis...the President has the authority to do whatever the hell he deems necessary..that he is the ultimate arbitor of all things legal...
OK, batties. I'm going to go work on this brief, but if someone picks a time and place for the revolution, let me know. I've got a cell phone, a blackberry, a contact list, and a pitchfork. And I know how to use all of them.
Question #1: How does the NSA identify which emails are "international"? I mean hell, are all of Yahoo's mail servers (e.g.) in the US? And do they have wiretaps that only turn on if someone dials an international code?
Halfdan
Google "echelon surveillance" and "carnivore internet" and then start to click and read...
as nancy reagan would put it, Just Say Know!
Bush said that the people inside the United States who have been eavesdropped on have been "determined to have a clear link to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations."
Oh, bullshit.
Anyone who disagrees with that pathetic fuck has "a clear link to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations."
Everyone who doesn't think he's the greatest thing since Jebus Chripes is a "terrorism" if you listen to him and his followers.
What bullshit!
iceblue, thanks. So if my American father-in-law writes an email to his American friend, but in his native Eastern language, then there could be a trigger that assumes it's an "international" email?
What do you think of the odds that there's another illegal program that targets "regular" Americans but that we just haven't heard about it yet?
Sorry.
terrorist.
The story says that Bush "left no doubt that he will continue authorizing the program."
Halting the program would be equal to an admission of guilt/responsiblity. Bush is capable of neither.
Allegan, Michigan is meth-central. You should see the freaks in those parts.
It's one big cow farm, too.
No, Estonia's too Baltic. We need Iceland.
Vicki
Don't make it Hong Kong until after the Court of Final Appeal's ruling on Covert Surveillance Executive Order and the passing of new legislation.
{that and the air in certain parts of town are filled with tear gas}
Strange that meth is so rampant in the very places that went so big for Prince Fuckwit.
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Nah. It makes perfect sense. Meth makes you stupid, violent, and irrational.
NYMary (SUNY)
Just like they preznit.
Thanks Tom
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."
Maybe the goal is simply to prevent academics from their work. Can't have a real understanding of real events when you're trying to sell a fantasy version.
"...determined to have a clear link to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations."
If that is the case why didn't he get the court order? If as he says...that there was a clear link, no judge would oppose a wiretap.
Halting the program would be equal to an admission of guilt/responsiblity. Bush is capable of neither.
xegar
Textbook sociopath, that one.
Oh, and Jen, High Priestess of Selune, wishes you all well as she takes a deep hit off of the penis bong, all the while wishing it were her beloved Hamhock of Liberty.
Anyone who disagrees with that pathetic fuck has "a clear link to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations."
Everyone who doesn't think he's the greatest thing since Jebus Chripes is a "terrorism" if you listen to him and his followers.
What bullshit!
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
And Guitar George's way is the way of victory and any one that says otherwise is a defeatist...
pathetic disin-glenn-uous word manipulation where politics trumps all else.
Now I ask you: What the fuck else has the NSA got to do these days? Your tax dollars at work.
I wanna spend my Saturdays with Vicki.
Thanks Tom
Halfdan
No prob, it's just a slashdot lefty cyber libertarian thing.
Oh, and Jen, High Priestess of Selune, wishes you all well as she takes a deep hit off of the penis bong, all the while wishing it were her beloved Hamhock of Liberty.
Whoa, Nelly!
Let me get this straight. When Condi was Secretary of National Security...she didn't think she was responsible for "Domestic security" But the NSA now has authority to spy on American citizens...
Jen, High Priestess of Selune, sez that the Hamhock of Liberty is hung way better than the penis bong.
(Thank God, who'd want to do 3" cut glass?)
That would be "Small Liberal Arts College Nestled in the Foothills of the Smoky Mountains '93" but not enough room in the moniker field!
Maybe I should have said 3" of blown glass?!!!
Halfdan-
Unless the NSA has run completely round the bend, there are criteria that need to be met in order to follow up on emails, phone calls. Obviously, they can't listen and read everything that is communicated from the US to overseas. I also want to believe that, despite the administrations lack of ethics, those who work for the intelligence agencies do have some, and understand the ramifications of random and arbitrary targeting of U.S. citizens.
Oh hell, NYMary - here we go.
DWD (Hope, Aquinas, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Grand Valley State University, Muskegon College of Business and Technology (RPGII Programmer)Montcalm Community College - Computer Programming and there must be some more somewhere. (Although I do not have a PhD, I think I have six different majors and 250 + credits.)
Well, I agree with WGG & Hecate (no surprises there, of course) -- & Gandhi as well; "If they don't shoot us, we win; if they shoot us, we stilll win."
And now to church!
And Guitar George's way is the way of victory and any one that says otherwise is a defeatist...
Well, then I'm a "defeatist" and Guitar George can go fuck himself with Ann Coulter's dick!
From my take, Reps. Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers, Jr. have the guts
to take on the great and powerful Booosh and start stirring the impeachment pot.
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Bush missed an Anniversary on the 15th.
On December 15, 1791, the new United States of America adopted the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, confirming the fundamental rights of its citizens. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, speech, and the press, and the rights of peaceful assembly and petition. Other amendments guarantee the rights of the people to form a "well-regulated militia," to keep and bear arms, the rights to private property, fair treatment for accused criminals, protection from unreasonable search and seizure, freedom from self-incrimination, a speedy and impartial jury trial, and representation by counsel.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS.
- Gandhi
Chimpy's goin' down!
Prior ~
Jen sends her best wishes! So do I.
well, this explains Bush's doe-eyed love for Putin, what with Russian democracy headed towards dictatorship subject to renewal or replacement at the ballot box.
The less patriotic side of me can't wait for payback, although we've never had simultaneous control of the WH and the FBI under anything less than a boy scout of a democratic president (at least above the waist).
Not much anti-intellectualism goin' on here, either. An handsome and seemingly well-educated group.
Hey, what happened to the cute Fundie-lookin girl in the advert on the Right strip? I had a great fantasy going of evily despoiling her sweet pious body and soul.
Do you think that Constitution in Byrd's jacket pocket is in flames right now?
Clearly, he needs to be imprisoned and held without bail immediately in a high security facility. How about Abu Ghraib?
Not much anti-intellectualism goin' on here, either.
Except for the penis bong incidents...
Clearly, he needs to be imprisoned and held without bail immediately in a high security facility. How about Abu Ghraib?
We could have him to Gitmo in time for a late lunch of lemon chicken.
Hey, what happened to the cute Fundie-lookin girl in the advert on the Right strip? I had a great fantasy going of evily despoiling her sweet pious body and soul.
Bad Art
She's over at TPM.
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Shorter Bush:
Anything I do is crucial to our national security...
Let me remind you bleeding heart liberals of what another much maligned , great President said. Richard Nixon :
"When the President does it, that means it's not illegal."
So just shut your pie holes. Let a real leader lead this nation.
All befitting the age of the MBA President, accent on the "M".
Hey, what happened to the cute Fundie-lookin girl in the advert on the Right strip? I had a great fantasy going of evily despoiling her sweet pious body and soul.
Bad Art
Pretty on the outside with a soul as black as night on the inside.
Pat Buchanan saying this is a more serious leak allegation than Plame's outing.
So, is the spin now going to be that revealing the Preznit's law-breaking gets Unka Karl off the hook?
Parody troll, right on cue. I'll let you guys handle it.
I am so sick of the Bush bashing. It's not constructive and usually it's not even valid.
We could have him to Gitmo in time for a late lunch of lemon chicken.
NYMary (SUNY)
Chicken's too good for him. Let him eat worms.
WGG,
You are right. Maybe it's up to us old folks to start the revolution. Why MoveOn or some other group isn't organizing a mass demonstration to call for resignation or impeachment over this is beyond me.
If they shoot at old ladies and old men, well, let them shoot. They're only gonna kill me once, and I remember a patriot who was sorry that he only had one life to give for his country.
Word, guys. Been saying that for a while now. People used to think I was crazy. Now, not so much.
The president, in the pursuit of his duties as president, is not subject to the laws. Citizens can offer their judgment of his performance every four years at the ballot box.
GEORGE BUSH IS A GENIUS! ONLY IF YOU LIBERALS LET HIM RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN AND AGAIN WILL YOU GET TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON HIM. BRILLIANT!
So according to Buchanon someone leaking the fact that Bush was illegally wiretapping American Citizens is in itself a crime...not the fact the Bush did this without judicial oversight. Apparently, it is now illegal to report that politicians are breaking the law!
Buchanan: 'The president knows the law."
He's snapped back into Nixon mode.
I also want to believe that, despite the administrations lack of ethics, those who work for the intelligence agencies do have some
Iceblue,
It sounds like what you're saying is that this operation has its limits, illegal as they are. But it also sounds like the new rules don't keep the Executive from coming up with other operations that have different limits. That's what troubles me more--that the NYT or WP or someone else is sitting on a story that's ten times worse and that they have promised not to reveal for security purposes.
Thanks again for your insight on this.
So, is the spin now going to be that revealing the Preznit's law-breaking gets Unka Karl off the hook?
It's as plausible as anything else. I still haven't seen a compelling argument as to why the NYT decided to release the info now, but if Karl gave them permission to in order to build a case for himself as a bulwark against Fitzmas, thats something.
Pat Buchanan saying this is a more serious leak allegation than Plame's outing.
Could Pat Buchanan do us all a favor and just upchuck and die?
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Hey, what happened to the cute Fundie-lookin girl in the advert on the Right strip?
Have you noticed that all the women in right-wing blog ads (e.g., the ad for the ACLU shirt where the C is a sickle) are large-breasted? The women in the lefty blog ads run the gamut, but tend to be small breasted.
I notice such things cuz I went to Chico State.
It's probably worth observing that whatever surveillance capabilities the NSA has, they have developed over the course of decades. Read Bamford, especially The Puzzle Palace.
The DOJ has special secret intelligence courts for authorizing wiretaps, so it's not as if the process hadn't already been streamlined as much as possible under previous administrations. Apparently somebody out at Fort Meade felt that going downtown for warrants was too onerous a burden, though (or too great a security risk), and since they currently have such a sympathetic ear (brain? penis?) in the White House, it must have seemed an opportune time to grease the skids still further.
it's so wonderful and ohso less confusing when the democratic representative agrees with pat buchanan: yes, the revelation of illegal domestic spying was a breach of national security by the press, but the leaker violated the law. and good old julian thinks the aclu is wrong and he fully supports the renewal of the patriot act. nice.
I am so sick of the Bush bashing. It's not constructive and usually it's not even valid.
annieangel
So we are not supposed to discuss whether or not King George is breaking the law? That is not a valid or constructive conversation?
Oh. My. Effing. God.
I just flipped past FOX news, where, I swear, Forbes was on television with the caption below reading "Pay CEOs More". They were talking about how CEOs were underpayed "champions of industry." (To quote the West Wing: does that come with tights and a cape.)
Does anyone actually buy this stuff? U.S. CEOs make many times that of European CEOs.. even more if you compare the wages of the top to the bottom. Why would ANY joe blow agree with this, knowing full well that their salaries and golden parachutes?
How can THEY believe this themselves? They believe that CEOs are responsible for economic success, but aren't to be held responsible for economic failure (or at least, should not be financially punished).
I've got to start jamming FOX for my own saftey. My forehead veins are throbbing.
I notice such things cuz I went to Chico State.
I thought it was because you're a boy.
The president, in the pursuit of his duties as president, is not subject to the laws. Citizens can offer their judgment of his performance every four years at the ballot box.
that only works when we know the truth.
WATB's like 'em big.
Someone contact GE and get some turbines hooked up at the graves of the founding fathers. George Mason's grave alone could light the city of Chicago for days with all the spinning its doing right now.
I am so sick of the Bush bashing
My suggestion would be that you de-camp this place post haste.
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I am so sick of the Bush bashing. It's not constructive and usually it's not even valid.
annieangel
THE MERKIN WORSHIP IS GOOD!
An owl is in the house.
I am so sick of the Bush bashing. It's not constructive and usually it's not even valid.
annieangel
Ah, gee whiz. We're awfully sorry to disturb you. How can we make it up to you?
I am so sick of the Bush bashing. It's not constructive and usually it's not even valid.
I'm pretty goddamned sick of you and your sycophantic whining too, cuddles.
julian epstein: 'pat, i think the world of you.'
I am so sick of the Bush bashing.
Not me. I love it.
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Tell Pat Buchanon that we also have laws that protect whistle blowers...
"Pay CEOs More"
On average, the worse big corporations do, the higher the CEOs get paid.
This is just the sort of occasion that the framers envisioned for Impeachment.
The DOJ has special secret intelligence courts
Wasn't one of Bush's complaints the other day about Saddam Hussein was that he had secret courts?
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I don't think that's really Merkin. If it is, then he's at Vicki's house and his bong hands have screwed up his typing.
Although come to think of it, that would explain a lot.
Theodoric - the particular court you're referring to is the FISA court currently headed by Colleen Kollar-Kotelly.
You'd have to go back a few years to read one of her opinions on the government using fake information to get FISA warrants to spy on Americans, that got overruled by some court on the grounds that the courts couldn't tell the FBI how to run itself and be upset about the use of fake information to justify warrants.
So does this mean the reporter who exposed this action is open to prosecution for taking part in a conspiracy to expose classified material? I seem to remember Atrios saying that a reporters first amendment protections don't work if the reporter or his source is committing a crime.
WE ARE ALL MERKIN PATRIOTS. EVEN THAT PATRONIZING EAGLE WITH SORES.
Have you noticed that all the women in right-wing blog ads (e.g., the ad for the ACLU shirt where the C is a sickle) are large-breasted? The women in the lefty blog ads run the gamut, but tend to be small breasted.
I notice such things cuz I went to Chico State.
Moe Szyslak (Chico State)
I see a research grant in your future 
Asking Buchanan to comment on executive over-reach is like asking Jack Abramoff to comment on bribery.
I'm Quaker Mr. Preznit, but you know that dont you.
You want people to have religion, but not the peaceful kind.
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I guess the point is that reporting the fact that people were being abused at Gitmo is illegal because it abridges national security...or reporting that we used Phosphorous in fallujah is also...as well as shipping prisoners to "black prisons".
according to Pat Buchanon anyways..
So does this mean the reporter who exposed this action is open to prosecution for taking part in a conspiracy to expose classified material?
Put it on the docket once we've finished impeaching the chimp.
Buchanan: 'The president knows the law."
He's snapped back into Nixon mode.
pseudonymous in nc
I write the speeches that make the bigots cream... I write the speeches that make the whole world scream...
Language of little red book: read the article... he was looking for english. If you search on ebay right now there are multiple language copies direct from china. Much pprettier than the ooriginal book. I have origianal english copy on mantle downstairs... maybe it's worth some dollars now?
Merkin is the best.
Now I ask you: What the fuck else has the NSA got to do these days? Your tax dollars at work.
Very perceptive.
I wish I could trust the ethical judgment of the NSA, but going from what little I know and the few people I've met, things are pretty compartmentalized there and few are given access to the big picture.
Who had this info to leak over a year ago, before the election, when it would have done some good, and how many people with access to this kind of info would like to have brought this administration down back in 2003 and 2004. The reporter who received this info is not the one in trouble. His source, the sleaker is and that's not just some reporter.
So would it be illegal to report that Chimpy is snorting coke...would Pat Buchanon consider that reporting to undermine national security because it makes the president appear to be addicted to drugs?
When are the Red Staters going to wake up and say "My God what have we done?"
Any guesses on where this info came from?
It just occurred to me...maybe there is someone else who actually is involved in authorizing these wiretaps. Perhaps Cheney himself...which would explain why Bush stepped up to the plate and admitted that he himself authorized it.
I seem to remember Atrios saying that a reporters first amendment protections don't work if the reporter or his source is committing a crime.
One more time, for the slow kids:
Being a CIA officer, or being married to a CIA officer: not a crime.
Revealing this information: a crime.
Domestic spying without judicial review: a crime.
Revealing this informaion: a crime.
It matters what you're revealing, fuckwit, and why.
I can see them (ok, Cheney) executing some kind of 'terrorist plot' involving minimal loss of life (collateral damage)to show that we NEED them to protect us.
I believe that is what this story was all about. 
and another thought...Bush's defense was that he took this up with the Attorney General...and this is the Attorney General who approved of tactics that superceded the Geneva conventions...and this is the excuse he is giving the citizens of the United States that is supposed to make them confident that thier civil liberties are not being violated?
Domestic spying without judicial review: a crime.
Revealing this informaion: a crime.
Why would revealing that a crime was being committed be a crime? Isn't that the purpose of protecting whistleblowers?
that only works when we know the truth.
mm-hmm. Most people are not qualified to be informed voters, but we vote anyway. This is how we wind up with moron presidents.
this might be an appropriate time to observe that Skull and Bones was founded by two guys who couldn't get into Phi Beta Kappa.
{"Pay CEOs More"
On average, the worse big corporations do, the higher the CEOs get paid.
Moe Szyslak (Chico State) | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 11:30 am | #}
That's called "incentive pay" (really!)
Why would revealing that a crime was being committed be a crime? Isn't that the purpose of protecting whistleblowers?
sj | 12.17.05
This is tricky. It's because the crime is classified, revealing classified info and all that. Whistleblower laws I do not know from.
Moe --
I noticed that fascist T-shirt thing myself -- I attributed it to celibacy
It's so easy for you all to bash Bush but I bet none of you can even balace your checkbooks.
Leave politics to people who know what they are doing, or debate it in a reasonable way, but all this bashing just shows how ignorant you are. Bashing people doesn't make you look "cool."
Obviously, they can't listen and read everything that is communicated from the US to overseas.
Perhaps not read by they might be able to intercept everything.
THEY're the ones who need to be rounded up and re-educated.
Just educated. Re-educated makes it sound as if they were to begin with.
by = but
(ahem)
Perhaps not read by they might be able to intercept everything.
Steve J. (Union)
and as you will note, I didn't say they didn't scoop it all up.
The Second Amendment is starting to look a whole lot more reasonable, these days, isn't it?
The Founders were a smart bunch of people. They LIVED through and under a regime that bears some striking similarities to Chimpy's.
They were sincere, patriotic British subjects, who could not understand why their beloved sovereign was treating them in such a way.
Time and again, they entreated the Crown and Parliament to treat them as the loyal British subjects they felt themselves to be.
When it finally dawned on them the crown considered them as less then the dust beneath his royal shoes, then, and only then, did they take up the musket and rifle.
The Founders, knowing full well that too much power in the hands of ANYONE was a Bad Thing, created the three branches of our government and imbued each with the power to check the actions of the others.
And then, because they KNEW that, in the words of Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." the Second Amendment was put in place.
One has but to read their letters and comments to know that they fully intended that Amendment to be a final check upon the excesses of the very government they themselves had fought for and sacrificed so much for to bring forth.
Are we at that point yet, when we MUST take up arms against the feculent toads that squat in the WHite House and call the Constitution "A fucking piece of paper!"?
I hope not.
I pray not.
But I have my guns. I have them legally stored in Vermont. As a citizen of Massachusetts I am following the laws here, and do not wish to deal with the paperwork involved to have them here.
Should the time come, should the need arise, I was damn the laws of the Commonwealth and take up arms in the defense of that "Fucking piece of paper" and strive to the last to defend it against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC!
More truth being known now, causing more
and more bewilderment on the one hand and now a much more determand electorate to either impeach the Presnut or throw the bum out.
The vote on the Patriot Act was just a poll on the health of the PNAC agenda. Bush doesn't need the Patriot Act, as he has just admitted.
This is a man who has called the Constitution "just a piece of paper". (I'm sure that's what the English said about our Declaration of Independence, too.) The pages of the Bible are just pieces of paper, too. The point is, it's what's written on the paper that gives it meaning.
It isn't our job to protect America by blindly following anyone anywhere -- it's our job as Americans and as human beings to see right through any and all attempts to destroy the system of checks and balances in this country.
The government will do whatever they want to do, with or without our permission for as long as we let them, but at least they know how we feel about it right now, and now they know that the PNAC agenda is circling the drain.
Can't stop now -- just can't. They will fight back, big time. There is too much at stake for them to just give up.
It's going to get harder.
Nice of Atrios to stick up for the rights of all those on Abu Zubaydah's cell phone.
Atrios supports captured Al Qaeda leaders!
Atrios just admitted support for terrorists, proudly. Stunning, really.
Hey, this bullshit distortion thing is easy Atrios! I could really get the hang of it. Let me try one more.
Atrios supports the troops!
I know, I know. That one is too far fetched to be believed. But at least it makes for a good punchline.
Hey Cog, what happens when the D.o'D. contractor CSC targets your IP address as terra'ist for posting here?
Yeah, I know, fat chance, you work for CSC/DynCorp.
Cog, for fuck's sake, your schtick is really old, and it's not funny.
Merkin Patriot is the best parody troll we have, and you'll never match that performance... So just give up.
Bingo. The problem is that you have a President who doesn't think he needs to obey the law and a Congress who doesn't think he should be forced to. Hello, Mr. McCain? Why do you think the big legislative deal you've made with the President on torture holds any weight? Frankly, if the executive branch was willing to obey the law in the first place such an agreement would never have been necessary.
Why does it matter what they do with the Patriot Act now? Is the White House really looking for permission, or are they looking for legal cover?
Fenian, stick with ESPN for coverage of the Bears game tomorrow night; I don't think they will interrupt the game like ABC-7 might (I assume you live in the Chicago area.
It's so easy for you all to bash Bush but I bet none of you can even balace your checkbooks.
annieangel
Yes we can balance them, Madame. And unlike some, we can even spell "balance" properly.
Is it soup yet? Article Five or Six (I lost count): Searches of United States Citizens in violation of the Bill of Rights.
What's it going to take? Torture in the White House?
Lets say you have been prosecuted on the basis of illegally obtained surveillance. How can you be convicted? What is the point of having done it?
Feingold for President!
The title of Bush's biography: Incurious George goes to The Hague.
Oh my! Picking on typos!! You sure put me in my place!
Lets say you have been prosecuted on the basis of illegally obtained surveillance. How can you be convicted? What is the point of having done it?
Good question. So are they actually planning to prosecute these people? If not, what do they plan to do with them?
It's so easy for you all to bash Bush but I bet none of you can even balace your checkbooks.
Do you think Bush can balance his checkbook?
Leave politics to people who know what they are doing? In other words annie, we shouldn't worry our pretty heads but leave such conundrums to ourn betters? FOAD ok?
Well, Mao is linked directly to Osama bin Ladin. They met in Prague
with the Quakers
lavalamp
-...and the Teletubbies...
It's so easy for you all to bash Bush but I bet none of you can even balace your checkbooks.
Do you think Bush can balance his checkbook?
Dave in NYC
-Naw, Condi does that for him.
How many times have I said, it just can't get any worse. And it always does.
Is it worse (still) when a college student is visited by Gestapo FBI troops because of a book he sought in order to accomplish an assignment on totalitarianism? The timing of this just couldn't be better: college kid scared shitless by government agents because the government doesn't like the book he sought to check out (Mao's "Little Red Book") and they discovered his interest in the book via unwarranted spying on American citizens.
De facto Police State much?
Bush does as Bush wants. He is not accountable to anyone. He listens to no one who opposes the views of his handlers. This has been so for five years. Why is this night different from all other nights? Uh... wrong holiday.
Bush is a DEAF MAN, TALKING...
deal with it.....or change it.
FIRST READ THIS
I support our president. He is a good man and my hero.
All you lefty jerk are a bunch of defeatest asshole fuckfaces!
FUCK YOU ALL!
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