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"and I will continue to to do so as long as I am Pesident"
OMG
scout prime |
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12.17.05 - 10:24 am | #
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Billy B |
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Can all of us truly be outraged now?????
When will all Americans wake up to the menace of this administration?
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from my quick notes, but admitted to reauthorizing spying 30 times, and will continue to do so.
I wonder how the official transcript will read.
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We need to get him out of there.
Now.
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haloscan seems to have eaten this, trying again:
A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
lavalamp |
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12.17.05 - 10:26 am | #
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War powers, baby. He's got 'em and you don't.
Tim Finnegan |
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12.17.05 - 10:26 am | #
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Bush just admitted guilt, proudly. Stunning, really.
Not really. He's got a compliant press, control of the intelligence agencies, and a hardcore, if incredibly small, number of fanatical brownshirted stormtroopers who will shout down all opposition.
Welcome to Nazi Germany.
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NYMary...YES he did use the word "Homefront"
That's it. I'm getting in my car & driving five hours and kicking his pasty, shitfilled ass.
Thers can watch the kids.
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Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
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The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/d...05/
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Dumbfounded.
Flabbergasted.
Really, really, really pissed off.
watertiger |
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I thought yesterdyay he couldn't talk about intelligence activities as it would jeopardize our safety.
What changed over night?
scout prime |
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And yet he gets away with it?
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Dartanyon |
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And I see Dear Leader is scheduling another "speech" in prime time tomorrow night... a Christmas pageant of adolation and worship for all you moronic brownshirt fucks.
dave™ |
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a hardcore, if incredibly small, number of fanatical brownshirted stormtroopers who will shout down all opposition.
They're not going to settle for shouting, dave.
NYMary |
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Total war!
Tim Finnegan |
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Bush just helped the terrorists!
scout prime |
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Dumbfounded.
Flabbergasted.
Really, really, really pissed off.
watertiger
Meet you in DC. And I'll drive, so I'll be on time. You have a much better chance of besting him, anyway.
NYMary |
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Shorter Bush: Fuck you, I'm president
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I wonder how long until a transcript appears.
David (Austin Tx) |
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sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
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And the bullshit keeps on flying:
The Bush administration had emphasized the threat of weapons of mass destruction as a reason to go to war in Iraq but such weapons were never found.
Senior U.S. officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, had also warned before the war of possible links between Hussein's government and the planners of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
Bush acknowledged on Friday there was no evidence of such a link.
"There was no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the attack of 9/11," Bush said. "I've never said that and never made that case prior to going into Iraq."
dave™ |
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12.17.05 - 10:31 am | #
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Well, Mao is linked directly to Osama bin Ladin. They met in Prague.
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In the spirit of the season, let's all sing along:
It's beginning to feel a lot like 1934, ev-ry-where I goooo!
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sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
Yes!!
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TrebuchetNegro™Embigulator |
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Since we've been declared an homefront in the GWOT, I'll volunteer to head the rubber drive.
Tim Finnegan |
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And the kid didn't even end up with the book.
You all may or may not know, that Phoenix Public Library is one of only ten federally funded ILL centers in the country - it's a major reason for my staying here (other than the delightful summertimes). I use ILL all the time - and you know, it'd be a lot of fun to find out what the hell kind of 'watchlist' is being maintained and by whom..
Let's see.
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They're not going to settle for shouting...
DING DING DING DING!
We have a weiner!!!
dave™ |
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sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
iceblue
It's actively encouraged.
NYMary |
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Well, Mao is linked directly to Osama bin Ladin. They met in Prague
with the Quakers
lavalamp |
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12.17.05 - 10:33 am | #
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We have a weiner!!!
Who's "we"?
NYMary |
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Shorter Bush: Fuck you, I'm president
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sorry....am I allowed to use that word on here?
iceblue
No. Some of us find it offensive to refer to W as "president."
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How many times have I said, it just can't get any worse. And it always does.
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You know, I'll just settle for him hanging by his heels in the public square, a la Mussolini... but that's just the tradtionalist in me!
dave™
You're into the classics. I like that.
Maybe we should buy him a bunker.
NYMary |
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12.17.05 - 10:34 am | #
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I thought all these separation of power issues were settled by the election of 1800.
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12.17.05 - 10:34 am | #
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I wonder how long until a transcript appears.
A heavily edited transcript.
watertiger |
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12.17.05 - 10:34 am | #
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It's a stunning admission given how many Senators on both sides of the aisle are against him on this.
A big Fuck you and Bring it on
scout prime |
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12.17.05 - 10:34 am | #
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Impeachment - NOW!!!
dave™ |
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Mao was playing tennis in Chevy Chase that very day.
Tim Finnegan |
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So, like...USians are actually coming to realise they don't live in a democracy?
...Colour me shocked.
Time to put England back in charge for a couple of years, while you guys get a tune-up.
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A heavily edited transcript.
They can edit the official transcript, but they can't recall the broadcast.
NYMary |
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Can we start using the phrase Imperial Presidency yet???
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Time to put England back in charge for a couple of years, while you guys get a tune-up.
No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
NYMary |
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Way to restore honor and integrity to the White House, Mr. Preznit.
Hudson |
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12.17.05 - 10:36 am | #
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GWB: The sky is green.
Sane person: No, the sky is blue.
GWB: No, the sky is blue.
Sane person: But you just said the sky is green.
GWB: No I didn't.
watertiger |
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Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning? That's just weird as hell...
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um, rule of law?
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No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
NYMary
No, Estonia's too Baltic. We need Iceland.
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Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning?
Criminals?
scout prime |
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No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
I'd prefer Andorra.
watertiger |
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How many times have I said, it just can't get any worse. And it always does.
My cynicism has been burnished to such a state that if I let it loose in the daytime, everything within a mile radius suffers from temporary blindness.
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TrebuchetNegro™Embigulator |
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Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning? That's just weird as hell...
daveinseattle
I was wondering about that too. Maybe trying to control the discourse of the Sunday pundits?
NYMary |
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Did anyone else just see Pat Buchanan talking about this on MSNBC? He actually said the word impeachment.
"If the Democrats have a problem with this and they think it's illegal then let them impeach him.
Wow.
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The hope is that John Bonifaz, the Constitutional Law attorney, is paying attention to all this and that what Bush has done will give Bonifaz more ammunition to lay the groundwork for his eventual impeachment.
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No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
I say, hail, hail Freedonia - land of the brave and free!!!
dave™ |
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um, rule of law?
Old time hockey? Eddie Shorr?
NYMary |
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I'm wondering what the repukes in Congress are thinking? At least some of their sphincters should be getting a little tight about now.
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Good morning, Moonbats! Another day, another outrage.
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" Who does a speech at 10am on Saturday morning?"
Criminals?
DING DING DING DING DING!
Another weiner!!!
dave™ |
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So how does he top himself Sunday night, martial law?
Tim Finnegan |
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When does the ring kissing begin?
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What can we say about this, really? It's so wrong, and he doesn't give a flying fuck. As Atrios said, "Stunning, really."
My outrage meter died due to overload during the last 5 years.
Can I just say I hate him with all my fucking might, and I want him impeached?
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ok, apparently I was in bed while Atrios took on TRB and the Anonymous Liberal, but I think everybody's missing the real phenomenon here.
What's really changed from the good old balanced media we remember is social class.
Instead of getting our news from:
Walter Cronkite (U. Texas),
Dan Rather (Sam Houston State),
David Brinkley (who after stints at UNC and Emory dropped out of Vanderbilt to join the Army),
Chet Huntley (U. Washington),
Ed Murrow (Washington State),
Tom Brokaw (Iowa/South Dakota),
and Peter Jennings (who never graduated from either high school or college),
we now get it from
Anderson Cooper (Yale),
Kelli Arena (NYU),
Wolf Blitzer (SUNY Buffalo/Johns Hopkins),
Lou Dobbs (Harvard),
Jeff Greenfield (Wisconsin/Yale Law),
Daryn Kagan (Stanford),
Howard Kurtz (SUNY Buffalo/Columbia),
Miles O'Brien (Georgetown),
Soledad O'Brien (Harvard),
Bill Schneider (Brandeis/Harvard),
Chris Wallace (Harvard),
Fred Barnes (Virginia/Harvard),
Brit Hume (Virginia),
Bill O'Reilly (Marist/BU/Harvard),
John Podhoretz (Chicago),
and Mara Liasson (Brown), to name a few.
I don't think the problem is conscious bias, or "rigid adherence to certain journalistic conventions". I think the problem is that the people we get our news from are just accustomed to looking at the world from a position of money, power, and privilege.
What the press needs is affirmative action for people with small-time public school educations - and I don't mean Miami of Ohio frat boys like Bill Hemmer.
I admit this doesn't explain why so many people these days prefer to get their news from Jon Stewart (William & Mary) and Stephen Colbert(Hampden-Sydney/Northwestern).
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Was Buchanan's comment a subtle warning to Repukes not to cross party lines here? But a lot of them have to stand for election next year. I think they will.
NYMary |
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They can edit the official transcript, but they can't recall the broadcast.
Yet.
Hecate |
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The British are coming, the British are coming...
Tim Finnegan |
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ON MSNBC: Pat Buchanan said if the Dems have a problem with it, let them impeach him - whoever was on the other side (I was only listening) said: noooo, I don't think we are talking impeachment...
I AM
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Hi Hecate!
I received the e-mail, and it makes sense! I'm going with it!
Thanks!
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And I see Dear Leader is scheduling another "speech" in prime time tomorrow night...
yep, and it's totally calculated to get the nsa spying story off the front pages. chimpy gives his sunday nite speech (how many times has THAT happened before) and the tv chatterboxes swoon about the president's 'bold and resolute' stand and newfound 'candor'.
the senate breaks for the holiday and specter's outrage and promise to call immediate hearings will evaporate just like the snowman melting in the park across the street.
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And I see Dear Leader is scheduling another "speech" in prime time tomorrow night... a Christmas pageant of adolation and worship for all you moronic brownshirt fucks.
dave™
I just know that moron is going to fuck up the Bears game telecast.
Goodbye 4th Amendment its been nice to know ya I'm sure gonna miss you.
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NYMary...YES he did use the word "Homefront"
That's it. I'm getting in my car & driving five hours and kicking his pasty, shitfilled ass.
Thers can watch the kids.
Call me when you get here. I'll come bail you out and you can spend the night at my house.
Hecate |
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Gee, I wonder where HollywoodNeoCon is now? I'm sure this is just the sort of thing he was looking for.
NYMary |
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iceblue
I second that emotion!
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Hi,
I'm new here. I wondered if the Republicans must NOW call for hearings into the impeachment of King George or if our only hope is a democratic congress in 06?
Remember, even if we could take the Senate in 06 (which to me seems sort of possible) I'm not sure we can take back the house, particularly after Delay stacked it with his Texas redistricting cohorts.
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No, they're fucked too. Maybe Estonia?
NYMary
No, Estonia's too Baltic. We need Iceland.
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How about Sweden. Maybe New Zealand (though without foreign minister Winston Peters, who is an ass).
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I'd prefer Andorra.
watertiger
I've actually been there.
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President Stalin says the NYT has helped the enemy. Which is on the quantum level of ludicrous. There is only one entity, one man in fact, who can be accused of helping the enemy in this case. And that's Bush, the fascist who's using HArold and the Purple Crayon for a victory handbook.
He said he got the Attorney General to
sign off dozens off times. Ashcroft? That guys a walking spectre of doom!
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The British are coming, the British are coming...
Thank the Goddess. I, for one, would welcome our British, Canadian, or Mexican overlords.
Hecate |
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if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
Atrios |
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Hey Hecate - Where you been all morning. Hope you didn't enjoy Fitz too much. Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
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theodoric (northwestern)
This University of Tennessee alumnus thinks you may be on to something.
It's only class warfare when the lower class fights back. Absent that, it's just business as usual.
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Durbin who is on the Intelligence Committee says he was never briefed on the NSA program
scout prime |
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Welcome, Silence is Complicity.
Three years is a long, long, loooooooonnnng time. My bet is the Repugs will evenutally impeach Bush themselves. It won't hurt to have a Dem Senate, though.
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12.17.05 - 10:44 am | #
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What did Bush say?
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The Bushistas know their ace is anxiety over terrorism. They have played the "fear of terrorism" card masterfully.
In their minds another attack will vindicate their actions and send Bush's approval ratings back up at the expense of all who criticize him.
I agree. I simply don't buy the idea that such an attack would be viewed as a failure by most Americans. Emotions and a desire for retaliation will drive Bush's ratings. I know many of you disagree.
The response to another attack after some major US military retaliatory operation will be to forcefully and permanently cut out the liberals and "appeasers" from US public discourse.
Just watch.
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Dick Durbin just said what I told an Indian coworker yesterday...that we have laws against spying on American citizens and that doing so is like the old Soviet Union....
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if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
Atrios
If Bush's speech runs into The Grinch or It's A Wonderful Life, there will be major hell to pay.
No one fucks with my Grinch.
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Capitol Hill Blues constitution story doesn't sound so strange now does it?
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Silence,
Welcome.
I'm new here. I wondered if the Republicans must NOW call for hearings into the impeachment of King George or if our only hope is a democratic congress in 06?
Conventional wisdom in these parts is that we couldn' get impeachment out of this house. Dunno, though: if scout's right and they're rustling uncomfortably, we might be able to get some traction. Bush can't run again, but they all can and will and have to soon.
Remember, even if we could take the Senate in 06 (which to me seems sort of possible) I'm not sure we can take back the house, particularly after Delay stacked it with his Texas redistricting cohorts.
Our Texas lawyers here tell us that SCOTUS doesn't like the redistricting, that they may well roll it back before 06. Maybe, maybe not. But Republican approval ratings are tanking everywhere.
NYMary |
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Why do I have the feeling that if I go to Winnipeg in February the US migra may not let me back in?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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He's insane, you know.
Tim Finnegan |
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Vicki,
Glad it made sense! Any time; don't hesitate to ask.
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WASHINGTON - President Bush said Saturday he personally has authorized a secret eavesdropping program in the U.S. more than 30 times since the Sept. 11 attacks and he lashed out at those involved in publicly revealing the program.
"This is a highly classified program that is crucial to our national security," he said in a radio address delivered live from the White House's Roosevelt Room.
"This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties and that is exactly what I will continue to do as long as I am president of the United States," Bush said.
watertiger |
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Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague.
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No one fucks with my Grinch.
Vicki
How the Grinch started a War on Christmas
http://www.msnbc.com/comics/dail...?
sFile=td051217
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Why do I have the feeling that if I go to Winnipeg in February the US migra may not let me back in?
Hope?
NYMary |
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if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge...
Most of you kids are too young to remember this, but I've always held that the turning point for the Carter presidency came when he pre-empted the premiere of the incredibly-hyped opening episode of the original "Battlestar Galactica" so he could announce a major breakthrough in Middle East peace negotiations...
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Durbin who is on the Intelligence Committee says he was never briefed on the NSA program
scout prime
I'm not surprised. My Senators Durbin and Obama better raise holy hell over this one. Fuck we need to stand up to this monster.
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Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
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Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague.
I'm stealing that for a bumpersticker...
dave™ |
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NYMary, wait for Monday - Sallyh has to collect her knives.
DWD - Full of Grace |
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He's insane, you know.
I'm beginning to believe that.
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if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
I hope it's a Texans game.
watertiger |
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At least Bush has the guts to deal with the newly formed Communist Islamic and Friends Front (CIFF) before it gains a toehold in our homeland.
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Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
sj
An absolutely stupid question: how can you wiretap the Amish? Bugging, maybe, but it seems to me they lack the, er, equipment for wiretapping.
NYMary |
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The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties
Great job there, George.
Moe Szyslak |
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if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge
Be great if there were another "Heidi moment"
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We need to get him out of there.
um, I hate to be the party-pooper, but let me remind you that if you get rid of Chimpy, you're stuck with Big Time.
and HASTERTRON3000™ after that.
and then Cryin' Ted Stevens, and then Doktor Rice.
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Morning, ql! Don't worry; I left some, um, Fitzy goodness for you, too. A deal's a deal. But we ain't sharing with any other susie-come-latelies.
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Can we start using the phrase Imperial Presidency yet???
RealTexan
The White House would be flattered.
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He's insane, you know.
Tim Finnegan
Probably not.
Bushco has basically gotten what it wanted for five long years. Republicans since god knows wehn have dictated the social and economic agenda.
Sure they are brazen and arrogant and totalitarian, but not insane.
Crazy people make mistakes that screw them up.
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Well, remember the parody search for Weapons of Mass Destruction™ at the correspondents' dinner? The assembled scribblers all thought it was just a riot. It doesn't matter what he does, they continue to treat him with deference. He could walk into a press conference and do The Aristocrats act, and Karl Cannon would describe him as a Linconesque visionary.
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Hecate, on the thread last night you had your own personal troll. (We all took turns smiting them for you. )
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At least Bush has the guts to deal with the newly formed Communist Islamic and Friends Front (CIFF) before it gains a toehold in our homeland.
tbone
Then why didn't he get the required court orders for that tbone?
BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
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I'm beginning to think that my "All We Are Saying is Give Impeachment a Chance" bumper sticker is too nice altogether.
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The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution
And that which is unconstitutional?
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Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
sj
An absolutely stupid question: how can you wiretap the Amish? Bugging, maybe, but it seems to me they lack the, er, equipment for wiretapping.
NYMary
Quakers got tapped.
Nixon was a Quaker.
Go figure.
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Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague.
I'm stealing that for a bumpersticker...
You do, and I'm buying a bunch of them. Can I get them in time for Yule?
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Fuck you, fundies.
Ford will again advertise in gay publications
Ads resume after criticism from gay rights groups
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Advertisements featuring Ford Motor Co.'s eight vehicle brands will run in gay publications, the automaker said Wednesday, acting after gay rights groups complained when Jaguar and Land Rover pulled their spots.
Ford is not ordering those luxury brands to resume their specific ads. Rather, the company's ads in the publications will promote all of its lines, which also include Ford, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercury, Volvo and Aston Martin.
Last week, Ford cited a need to reduce its marketing costs in explaining why it no longer would advertise Jaguar and Land Rover in several gay publications.
On Wednesday, Ford wrote the gay rights groups that the luxury brands "made a business decision about their media plans and it would be inconsistent with the way we manage our business to direct them to do otherwise."
Ford pledged to run corporate ads in the publications that will include the entire Ford lineup.
"It is my hope that this will remove any ambiguity about Ford's desire to advertise to all important audiences and put this particular issue to rest," wrote Joe Laymon, Ford's group vice president for corporate human resources.
The gay groups had suggested a connection between the withdrawn Jaguar and Land Rover ads and pressure from conservative groups. Ford denied a connection.
In May the American Family Association announced a boycott of Ford vehicles and criticized Ford for making contributions to gay rights groups, offering benefits to same-sex partners and recruiting gay employees. The organization called off the boycott late last month.
Several gay rights groups said the move created the perception that Ford had struck a deal with the AFA to reduce its advertising in gay publications. Gay leaders met with Ford on Monday and asked that the automaker reinstitute the advertising and distance itself from the Mississippi-based AFA.
Ford's Laymon said the ads' "content will be appropriate and effective in connecting with the intended audience."
The move was hailed by gay organizations. Neil Giuliano of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation credited the company with listening to its concerns and making "a clear statement of nondiscrimination and inclusion."
"Fairness and equality wins out in corporate America," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign.
A message left Wednesday with the family association was not immediately returned.
Ford's chairman and chief executive, Bill Ford, said Monday that the automaker values "all people -- regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and cultural or physical differences."
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and then Cryin' Ted Stevens, and then Doktor Rice.
theodoric -- 10:48 am
then i guess we'll jut have to purge 'em all, won't we?
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Bugging, maybe
Buggying.
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BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
sj
I thought it was Buck Naked or Buck Wild.
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how can you wiretap the Amish?
There are public phones in Amish country (which probably get more of a workout than pay phones most other places these days). Like motor vehicles, though, they just don't have them at home.
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theodoric, I think there is prolly enough malfeasance to get everyone of the sumbitches you mentioned.
Besides, it is not going to happen until after the next elections: if ever. If we win, yes. If we lose . . .
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Crazy people make mistakes that screw them up.
Pick one.
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Quakers got tapped.
Nixon was a Quaker.
Go figure.
I wasn't really talking ethics, of which they clearly have none. I was talking technology.
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Those damn Amish people must be stopped!
sj
An absolutely stupid question: how can you wiretap the Amish? Bugging, maybe, but it seems to me they lack the, er, equipment for wiretapping.
Well, some Amish kids recently were arrested for drug dealing so I assume there are some not so Orthodox Amish...
Besides, I believe they are even allowed to ride in cars...just not drive them personally.
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The Amish are not Quakers. Quakers have telephones.
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Hecate, on the thread last night you had your own personal troll. (We all took turns smiting them for you
My gosh; I have arrived! Thanks for the smiting. Was I namestolen?
Hecate |
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Texas redistricting is being reviewed by SCOTUS. If any action occurs, it would be nice if they act soon. However, DeLay popularity is dropping like a rock, and threatens to take a few others with him.
None of this is to suggest that I think the House will switch sides, unless a similar backlash against Republicans happens elsewhere, which looks like could happen in parts of Texas.
The main thing to remember about this, is Bush just admitted a criminal act. Executive orders cannot contravene Federal Law.
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What worries me is - if the patriot act is not renewed or curbs what they perceive as necessary spying, (don your tin foil hat) I can see them (ok, Cheney) executing some kind of 'terrorist plot' involving minimal loss of life (collateral damage)to show that we NEED them to protect us.
Maybe they aren't that desperate, but I don't trust them anymore - at all - for anything.
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Everytime I think we have hit rock bottom, the admin does something more horrible and rock bottom has to be re-defined. How low can we go? When will people wake up?
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Ford's chairman and chief executive, Bill Ford, said Monday that the automaker values "all people -- regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and cultural or physical differences."
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Actually it onlyu proves what money grubbing whores Ford really is.
They didn't choose to change policy. They were pressured by one side then the other.
No honesty to it.
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Fuck you, fundies -- more:
Ford has been lauded for offering an inclusive work environment for gays and lesbians. Annual studies by the Human Rights Campaign in 2004 and 2005 gave Ford a perfect score on corporate policies and practices toward the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community.
"The statement released today is representative of the Ford Motor Co. that we've known and respected for years, not the company that was alleged to exist over the last two weeks," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
Ford, General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG introduced same-sex domestic partner benefits in 2000.
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There are public phones in Amish country (which probably get more of a workout than pay phones most other places these days). Like motor vehicles, though, they just don't have them at home.
Fair enough. But what kind of seditious conversation could they be having?
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Well, at least that explains why the country is so fucked up. The president has no respect for the rule of law.
And he takes it an Orwellian step later.
Qeustioning his crime means that you are in favor of aiding and avetting the enemy? This man knows no bound low enough tto protect his big lie.
But then again, we did vote in a spoiled, dry drunk, incompetent, bible thumper, so what can I expect.
Go Bubble Boy.
Gotta love the Times for ruining Bubble Iraq Victory Friday. (the Iranian's victory being the true story. And the Sharia of course.) He's coming on TV tomorrow to announce his victory no doubt. Providing fresh fuel to the insurgent/freedom fighters.
Did I just say Freedom Fighter? I'll no doubt be getting an NSA tap soon!
FUCK BUSH!
Hi NSA! Howe arew you putzes? Come and tap me baby! I want my $100.00 beans a day for it.
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Actually it onlyu proves what money grubbing whores Ford really is.
They didn't choose to change policy. They were pressured by one side then the other.
No honesty to it.
Shinobi
Exactly.
They thought about how much money they'd lose.
Jebus ain't got a chance against the Almighty Dollar!
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What worries me is - if the patriot act is not renewed or curbs what they perceive as necessary spying, (don your tin foil hat) I can see them (ok, Cheney) executing some kind of 'terrorist plot' involving minimal loss of life (collateral damage)to show that we NEED them to protect us.
Maybe they aren't that desperate, but I don't trust them anymore - at all - for anything.
iceblue
Happened already.
We call it 911.
They call it Operation Northwoods activated.
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if football runs over bush's speech is gonna cause a major poll plunge...
Most of you kids are too young to remember this, but I've always held that the turning point for the Carter presidency came when he pre-empted the premiere of the incredibly-hyped opening episode of the original "Battlestar Galactica" so he could announce a major breakthrough in Middle East peace negotiations...
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Funny, I don't remember that. And I was eagerly awaiting the premiere of BG. Ah, a 12 yr old's memories.
But I don't think the WH cares about football.
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then i guess we'll jut have to purge 'em all, won't we?
Exactly. It's my country. I want to take it back or go down trying.
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Question #1: How does the NSA identify which emails are "international"? I mean hell, are all of Yahoo's mail servers (e.g.) in the US? And do they have wiretaps that only turn on if someone dials an international code?
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BTW....wasn't tbone the nickname George Castanza wanted?
sj
I thought it was Buck Naked or Buck Wild.
Saw the episode couple of days ago...at one of the companies where George worked..his boss named a coworker tbone...and george was jealous...while watching George berate the guy named tbone about the fact that he wanted the nickname, the boss decided George's nickname was CoCo the monkey.
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Exactly.
They thought about how much money they'd lose.
Jebus ain't got a chance against the Almighty Dollar!
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Worse than that. If the fundies can prove Ford will lose even more money, kiss the gay thing goodbye.
That is the whole problem with what Ford did.
Shinobi |
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Everyone in the blogosphere should order the Mao book "The Little Red Book" from that same library and all of us get a visit, and then do a class action lawsuit. some are already working on that.
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Trolls last night were unbelievable.
And I don't believe that one "looser" WAS a woman.
I think it was Gordo.
He's the one who likes to make comments on the weight of people he's never seen.
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I'm guessing that Bush has never been held accountable for anything in his life, and really doesn't understand the concept. I also think that if he was truly held accountable, the bravado would come crashing down, and we'd see what we caught a 7-minute glimpse of in that classroom when Card told him the country was under attack.
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No, just some fundie. She was smitten repeatedly though, she left.
(Her homepage was bible.com - too bad she never read the thing)
This ties into the DWD pan-theology theory. We are all just trying to reach peace and understanding. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Why do they choose to hate when someone chooses a different way of approaching their own quest?
Sometimes I don't like people much.
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If we had half the balls the Ukranians have, we'd be in the streets, shutting down xmas and every other goddamn thing until Bush resigned. I mean it. And I'm an old woman with a bum ankle that hurts in the cold and a brief due soon, and I would be in the streets every single day i
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