HULK SMASH!!!
Jihad!
first
to be illegally spied upon by Bush
Is it legal? The president says yes. Critics say no. Judiciary Chairman Arlen Specter says his committee will hold hearings in the new year.
All you need to know about the contemporary punditocracy, right there.
curses! foiled again!
Yeehaw!
Is it legal: HELL NO. IT IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY LAW.
prez says yes, 'critics" say no...
media: (shrugs) i guess we'll never really know!
No, no, DWD. See, there's THE PRESIDENT and then there's those mean people who don't like him anyway, HIS CRITICS. Thank god we have an entrenched party operative in the president's party to sort this all out. What a relief!
Impeach. Convict. Hand over to the Hague!
Is 5 below zero warm? The president says yes-critics say no.
It's like Condi said: We've redefined the law so that whatever we are doing to detainees, it's not torture.
And if the President does it, it's not illegal.
Let's just get it over with and call him a King, or Führer, or whatever.
He sure isn't a President, except in the banana republic sense of the word.
Pitchforks and torches time...
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What do judges say?
What the fuck is she talking about?
Illegal wrietaps pertain to all Murkins and not just blonde, blue eyed Europeans.
Am I missing something here?
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The Madness of King George.
Is 5 below zero warm? The president says yes-critics say no.
Paul, no not that one | 12.17.05 - 11:51 am | #
Nice one, Paul!
Shorter version of Bush's speech this morning:
"yeah, I did it, now whatcha gonna do about it, punk?"
or
"It's good to be the king!"
Subpoena John Yoo now.
Targeting Muslims of America would definitely have nabbed McVeigh and the Unibomber, doncha know?
DER SPIEGEL: Well, a former intelligence official tells Der Spiegel tonight that the people most likely to be swept up in this are listed in a SS database, Klaus, called Jews of Germany. But most people targeted are never charged with a crime. And one former official says this does amount to a giant electronic fishing expedition. Is it legal? Der Fuhrer says yes. Critics say no.
Boy, do I wish I could be Muslim and living in America. I'd have my very own database.
Some people have all the luck.
you just missed a "fair and balanced" panel on MSRNC with Juilan Epstien and Pat "if the president does it, its not illegal" Buchanan.
Epstein starts off by saying he is in favor of the patriot act, so he's not questionable like other dems. Than he says he agrees with Pat that whomever leaked this story to the press should be investigated criminally.
Epstein does manage to fit in that they should go to a secret court to show a minimal amount of evidence before wire tapping.
With Vichy democrats like this on TV, its no wonder we can't get a majority. He was the absolute worst in mealy mouth apologists.
At least Buchanen stands up for what he believes in. This panel was Republican and a DLC member. Some balance.
Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/d...05/
a09lo650.htm
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
etc.
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OK, but did they look under his bed? And if they are doing this to him, what are they doing with this server log?
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OT, but hey, NYMary - whaddaya think of "Thanks for Christmas" by the Three Wise Men?
Got an MP3 if you'd like...
We're all Muslim now.
The real Bush Administration war:
The Great War On Information
Is it legal? The president says yes. Critics say no.
Is the earth flat, Andrea? Is it?
... 'kay, if it's only Muslims being affected --
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(Andrea's starting to look and sound more and more like an addled stewing hen.)
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But this does nothing to stop the growing Quaker menace!
Do bears shit in the woods? Yogi says yes, the makers of Charmin say no.
Muslims of America
Oh, well then it's okay. Nothing to see here, move along.
NYMary is already saying everything I have to say...
Is it legal? The president says yes. Critics say no.
Since when does the president get to decide what's legal? Because his flunkies so advised him? Did he ask for dissenting opinions before making his decision?
Nevermind. I already know the answer.
But this does nothing to stop the growing Quaker menace!
SHHH!!! You can't let them know we're on to 'em.(looks around nervously for NTodd)
And I'm sorry, Andrea, this isn't about 'critics'. This is about the fucking US Code saying no. And if you regard the fucking US Code as a 'critic' of the President, then that's prima facie evidence that he needs to be motherfucking impeached.
OK, but did they look under his bed? And if they are doing this to him, what are they doing with this server log?
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QuentinCompson Killing Rats | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 11:57 am | #
I can't tell whether the agents really think that reading stuff on communism is 'bad' or that they just wanted a copy for themselves, for 'research' purposes.
As GWDPA pointed out earlier this morning, the fact that they really are looking at ILL's is very troubling indeed.
My jaw dropped last night too when I heard her say that. Here's the podcast: http://podcast.msnbc.com/audio/p...2005-
162605.mp3
The comment occurs at the end of the first segment about the NSA wiretaps.
This cannot wait until next year. He has to be impeached NOW.
What the Illegal Bush Wiretaps Were Likely All About: seeing what people in the US knew about who was really behind 9/11. These weren't terrorists they were spying on, I bet these were people who may have had info about the Bush administration being involved in 9/11. This is why they wanted to keep the wiretaps secret.
Remember, torture isn't used to obtain information-- it's used to elicit false testimony that supports the "official" story (whatever that may be).
So very likely, these wiretaps weren't used to obtain information-- they were used to find out who had info that didn't support the "official" 9/11 story.
I am sorry, this is really upsetting me. What gives this MAN the right to break OUR laws at his whim? What gives THEM the right to justify the breaking of OUR laws?
In the end, are we a country of laws or of men?
Useless and illicit sumbitches.
Was curious about how the other side is dealing with this, and so checked in at The Corner.
Not many posts about it, and none at all until 12:06 PM yesterday. (They were mostly preoccupied with the Patriot Act.) All posts support Bush, with Byron York taking the role of lead attorney for the defense.
Of course, in an alternate universe where each "Bush" in yesterday's NY Times article was replaced by a "Clinton" (or Kerry, or Gore), every post for the last 30 hours would have been about impeachment . . .
OT, but hey, NYMary - whaddaya think of "Thanks for Christmas" by the Three Wise Men?
Don't know it, but send it along!
I wonder-- if Bush had to execute American citizens without trial because "national security" was at stake, would the media and Republicans happily rationalize it away? Spooked - 11:34 am
Even as a teenager, I was struck with this exchange in the excellent "Little Big Man":
Little Big Man: "But why do you want to die, Grandfather?"
Old Lodge Skins: "Because there is no other way to deal with the white man, my son. Whatever else you can say about them, it must be admitted... you cannot get rid of them... There is an endless supply of white men, but there always has been a limited number of human beings*... We won today... We won't win tomorrow."
*I don't know if this is historically/linguistically accurate, but somewhere in the film it is stated that "Cheyenne" translates as "human beings".
I admit I am inclined to Old Lodge Skins' pessimism, like WGG and DWD. But I hope I'm wrong.
It's a given that We the People won't stand for the very tyranny, oppression, and injustice that occasioned the war of rebellion and establishment of our independent nation. But We the People, the "human beings", are an embattled minority.
The criminal regime, and They the Sheeple in its thrall, presently have the power and the numbers. Questions and controversies about civil liberties go way over the heads of the sheeple, as amply demonstrated by the troll-vermin which infest this site. Broadly speaking, the sheeple have always been too dim and childlike to grasp the pernicious insidiousness of such abuses of power. Rather, they are content with blind trust and uncritical acceptance of authority.
I expect that the sheeple will continue to be willfully bamboozled by Ruling Class demagogues and their media-whore stenographers and cheerleaders. They hold their purple fingers up between their eye and the sun and believe that they've made the sun disappear.
So it remains to be seen whether the political class and We the People can form a critical mass sufficient to reverse our sociopolitical fortunes.
I'm keeping my undyed fingers crossed.
Fuck Bush!
Next - Haloscan! Right up the colon separator.
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"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
Article II, section 3.
I am sorry, this is really upsetting me
Don't be sorry, you should be upset. This is bullshit.
na na na na
hey hey hey
Was curious about how the other side is dealing with this, and so checked in at The Corner.
Assrocket has spoken. Whoever leaked this must be punished; it also means that Rove and Libby are innocent of everything. Instafuckwit agrees.
It seems the War on Terror might have come home as a war on Islam. Be afraid of this.
It seems the War on Terror might have come home as a war on Islam. Be afraid of this.
Hey there, gang. Is it time for impeachment yet?
Hah! Trick question. It has been for at least three years.
the people most likely to be swept up in this
I take this to mean that no one is excluded.
Hey, Blak!
Thinking about the Nixon "If the president doe it, it's not a crime" line of argument.
Wasn't Nixon at least a lawyer? So Bush, not a lawyer, actually has no idea, does he?
a Homeland Security database, Brian, called Muslims of America.
I wonder if they have the gall to list Muhammad Ali in that database, Brian?
Mother of GOD, these folks creep me out!
Hey filk, seen Narnia yet?
As I said earlier, it's good but not great.
Well it's time for me to dive through a neighborhood where I'll be looked at closely for driving a car under $30,000.
"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
And indeed they are, with a bullet to the brain.
CNN really does have the third-string staff on duty today. MSNBC is doing its movie preview show.
Of course, in an alternate universe where each "Bush" in yesterday's NY Times article was replaced by a "Clinton" (or Kerry, or Gore), every post for the last 30 hours would have been about impeachment . . .
I still can't believe that people who should be normally shouting in outrage about this are pretending that the law and the Constitution don't matter because of their politics.
It's really sickening. Also sickening that they were more *outraged* about a blowjob than they are about someone trampling all over our liberties and targeting innocent people.
They're contemptible.
Hey filkersweeto!
Mother of GOD these folks scare the hell out of me.
And indeed they are, with a bullet to the brain.
But not before they're faithfully interrogated, up to but not including organ damage.
Whoever leaked this must be punished
Yeah, they're big on that, too. Best defense is a good offense, and so on.
What the fuck is with the media, that they are not appalled with this? Why are they not, as one, Repub and Dem alike, quoting the Fourth Amendment and pointing out that Chimpy McJerkface claiming he has to spy because it's a time of war when he started the fucking war is exactly like murdering your parents and then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you're an orphan?
NYMary, I think his ignorance is actually boundless.
Little Brother - I am what is called an optimistic pessimist. I know what is going to happen, but I really and truly want to be wrong.
Atrios was right to say that this was the conservatarians' accountability moment. And they've basically flunked it.
he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
Article II, section 3.
pseudonymous in nc | Email | 12.17.05 - 12:04 pm | #
I think the Bush MalAdministration is focusing more on the 'executed' part than the 'Laws' part.
people most likely to be swept up in this are listed in a Homeland Security database
and then there's thaqt other group, known as People Who Read Library Books
Rule of law motherfuckers, rule of law, rule of law...
Is this not what the wingers were yelling every 5 fuckin minutes during the Clinos's term?
Where are the liberal lawyers, or is there such a thing? They should be sueing this bush crime syndicate every day. The Dims are hiding under a fucking rock, afraid of commander coedpiece....Fuck it; time for revolutioooon. Maybe Chavez and Castro will help.....
some things only on Brit TV
Bush's Ipod
Sky News yesterday Web-posted the highly amusing video of an exchange between Fox News's Brit Hume and Bush that took place after their formal interview Wednesday had concluded.
Adrian Shaw in the British tabloid the Daily Mirror writes: "President Bush made a fool of himself yet again yesterday as he got in a muddle over his new iPod.
"The hapless President was trying to demonstrate how cool and trendy he was as he proudly showed off the music player in the Oval Office.
"But he blundered when he called American Pie singer Don McLean 'Dan'.
"And he spouted a lot of meaningless jargon as he tried to explain how the iPod worked.
"The President floundered: 'I get the shuffle and then I shuffle the shuffle.' "
Not yet, Blak. Thinking about if for later this weekend. Kong is likely Monday or Tuesday.
Hugs, bigvic! Yeah, they're all goddamn insane. They are not Americans, that's for sure. I don't care if they were born here. Everything they say and do could not be more calculated to defy the spirit and the letter of America.
Feingold made the point that if Chimpy thinks he's above the law, it doesn't matter if the Patriot Act is extended or not, because he'll do whatever the fuck he wants.
Most people who are politically apathetic adhere either to a vague Christianity or a vague Libertarianism, in my experience. For the second group, this is bound to piss them off. For the first, who feel that god is watching their every move anyway, it probably won't have much effect.
Kong is likely Monday
That's how I'm living, early as possible with no screaming idiots.
Presumably US citizens whose religious identification is Islam and who use Interlibrary Loan Services to obtain copies of the unabridged Quotations of Chairman Mao....
You know, this is certainly bringing my childhood back to me. The childhood where my Tulsa-born Mummy told we little Canadian kiddos all about a time in the US when we didn't eavesdrop on our citizens, commit illegalities in furtherance of political ambition or steal the Treasury blind.... and tell us that someday we would return to the US to find that it had outgrown its mischievous insanity.
pseudo, rj -- word. A barrage of lawsuits would be pretty fuckin' funny, wouldn't it? And, as to Repub flunking, has anyone been over to Freeperville or LGF? I don't want to pollute my browser cache if I don't have to.
Time to start using GPG again for my email.
Andrea Mitchell: Penn.
Not soon enough to prevent the monster acne, though.
visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
From pg. 173 of Quotations From Chairman Mao Tsetung: Our duty is to hold ourselves responsible to the people. Every word, every act and every policy must conform to the people's interests, and if mistakes occur, they must be corrected - that is what being responsible to the people means.
. They are not Americans, that's for sure.
Word. And those punk ass bastards call US unpatriotic????? Hahahahahahahaha.
They're mad, I tell ya.
Is it time to organize a boycott of cable TV yet?
how about Radical Militant Librians of America?
Well ya know... them ol' Musselmen don't observe Christmas,
so....
people who should be normally shouting in outrage about this are pretending that the law and the Constitution don't matter
"Conservative" reverence for the Constitution, R.I.P.
"Conservative" support for the rule of law, R.I.P.
"Conservative" oppostion to government power, R.I.P.
Masks off at last.
I wonder what other books will get you a visit from the feds?
What the fuck is with the media, that they are not appalled with this? Why are they not, as one, Repub and Dem alike, quoting the Fourth Amendment and pointing out that Chimpy McJerkface claiming he has to spy because it's a time of war when he started the fucking war is exactly like murdering your parents and then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you're an orphan?
Lyle and Eric Menendez?
For that matter, what was O'Lielly babbling about last night? More "War on Christmas" crap...?
The problem we are facing here is that GWB comes from the school of thought that preaches that Nixon should have taken the tapes and burned them out on the front lawn of the white house......a position that from a purely political angle is probably correct....which makes him a lot scarier than Nixon.
The problem we are facing here is that GWB comes from the school of thought that preaches that Nixon should have taken the tapes and burned them out on the front lawn of the white house......a position that from a purely political angle is probably correct....which makes him a lot scarier than Nixon.
First,they came for the Muslim.
Gee, the founding fathers never figured that the executive would want to assume absolute power. I wonder what they would have thought about that. I guess we'll never know.
Wait, I know! Let's ask Alito about this issue.
From the Freepers:
"Find who revealed this program and execute them."
"Exactly George. Now go find them and prosecute, jail the traitors. Start with the NYT and your congressional oversite [sic], I doubt you'll have to go much further than that..."
etc.
surely this will just create yet more resentmen?
what next death squads? concentration camps?
pseudo -- oy.
can anyone help me remember the incident in 2000 when Bush lied about reading a public policy book and McCain called him on it???
I wonder what other books will get you a visit from the feds?
If they're tracking ILL records, they're certainly tracking Amazon.com purchases.
The way I see it, the "critics" are the nay-sayers. Liberals...always being negative. Why can't they just shut up and be happy?
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They should at least post a list of their "reading list" so you can choose if you want a visit from the feds or not.
What the fuck is with the media, that they are not appalled with this? Why are they not, as one, Repub and Dem alike, quoting the Fourth Amendment
I almost fainted last night when Jeff Toobin was acting as though it is iffy that Bu$h broke the law! WTF?
"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
Article II, section 3.
HE'S CAREFULLY EXECUTING THE BAD LAWS AND EXERCISING THE GOOD ONES.
"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
Article II, section 3.
HE'S CAREFULLY EXECUTING THE BAD LAWS AND EXERCISING THE GOOD ONES.
will we see mass book burnings?
Muslims of America
James Browns last hit from Rocky IV right?
Guys, I'm beginning to wonder if they figure they can push us to armed revolution, and then really have an excuse for imprisoning and killing all their political opponents.
"Exactly George. Now go find them and prosecute, jail the traitors. Start with the NYT and your congressional oversite [sic], I doubt you'll have to go much further than that..."
Said the coward from the safety of its basement in between chee-tos.
I wonder what other books will get you a visit from the feds?
bingo
I hope it's Imperial Spies Invade Russia! What a boost that would be!
Bush talking about the law when he is breaking it is pure hypocrisy at work!
My Islamic students, who are mostly white kids with the zealousness of converts, were scared shitless before this came out.
Seriously, did they REALLY call it "Muslims of America"?
Jesus Chri...I mean Holy Prophet!
HE'S CAREFULLY EXECUTING THE BAD LAWS AND EXERCISING THE GOOD ONES.
"Exorcise" would work here as well.
Alrighty, I'm off to listen to some lefty college radio and then watch some vintage ECW.
Needs to be asked; who will stop this bush crime family? The Dims are pussies, Smirk owns the courts, Smirk owns the military, Smirk has the press in his pockets, the Boomers are complacent, Wall street is happy, Amuricans are fuckin brain dead.
Who gives a fuck, but a few pinko bloggers and a few leftist faggots?
Who are these Muslims? How do they know?
yeah, toobin needs a massive cockpunch
from the ap via yahoo:
Bush Acknowledges Approving Eavesdropping
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Saturday he has no intention of stopping his personal authorizations of a post-Sept. 11 secret eavesdropping program in the U.S., lashing out at those involved in revealing it while defending it as crucial to preventing future attacks.
snip...........
"This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties and that is exactly what I will continue to do as long as I am president of the United States," Bush said.
Angry members of Congress have demanded an explanation of the program, first revealed in Friday's New York Times and whether the monitoring by the National Security Agency without obtaining warrants from a court violates civil liberties. One Democrat said in response to Bush's remarks on the radio that Bush was acting more like a king than the elected president of a democracy.
I wonder what other books will get you a visit from the feds?
bingo | 12.17.05 - 12:13 pm
Not sure, but maybe we should all start stocking up from here.
Gotta run, 'Bats.
Draw up articles of impeachment while I'm gone. I know the law loving GOP will sign off on them.
Nixon should have taken the tapes and burned them out on the front lawn of the white house
you know, Nixon just wanted to be loved.
that's why he nuked Bretton Woods, imposed wage and price controls, jacked up the Fed, generally fucked up the economy for the next decade, and maintained an enemies list - because he wanted to be Loved by the Sheeple, who wound up blaming it all on Jimmy Carter.
GWB doesn't have such pure motives.
Moonootiaca; 12:14
" surely this will
create just more resentment?"
Yep, that's the game plan...
Later, Blak! HIT 'EM WITH THE CHAIR!
as fran liebowitz said, "they get caught every day, all day long; they dont care."
Some one should organize a mass buying of Mao's Li'l Red Book.
More freepi, sounding Merkin-esque:
"No longer can the President treat those in congress with the same consideration that he has. He needs to treat them as rabid dogs waiting to infect all those they contact with a deadly disease, anti-Americanism and especially anti-freedom."
"The Feds can spy on me too: I am an agrarian traditional conservative libertarian anarchist who is first and foremost patriotic to America, its ideals, and to its people and the land - America the Beautiful."
Now you can ignore them. But it's clear that they really do wipe their arses with the US Constitution.
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
If they're afraid of commies, you'd think they'd be more bothered by our massive trade with China, the fact that all our jobs seem to be going there, and the fact that they hold a shitload of our national debt. Wal-Mart and friends are doing a lot more to further the cause of Communism than some kid reading Chairman Mao.
I wonder what other books will get you a visit from the feds?
bingo
Bingo, trust me: I am doing my level best to ensure that one of them will be CHALLENGE by some weirdo living in Western Michigan.
"Find who revealed this program and execute them."
In the Republic, nearly 2500 years ago, Plato suggested that if emissaries from the Real World were to descend into the cave, and volunteer to set the prisoners therein free from the World of Mere Appearences, the prisoners would turn on their rescuers and kill them.
Same old, same old.
toobin needs a massive cockpunch
Jeffrey Toobin: magna cum laude, Harvard Law. Editor of law review.
If they're tracking ILL records, they're certainly tracking Amazon.com purchases.
Oh my word! Not only will they discover the Pedrini, but Robert Fisk!
Maybe I should cross back over thru Coutts - I've got pals there.
Oh, one last thing. Anybody know what the liar Bu$h was talking about when he said Congress had been notified dozens of times about the spying? No fucking way that could be true, but then chimp is a serial liar.
right now I am waiting for the other shoe to drop...
That NSA easedropped on others besides suspected terrorists and muslims.
i bet something like this is going to come out
"Exactly George. Now go find them and prosecute, jail the traitors. Start with the NYT and your congressional oversite [sic], I doubt you'll have to go much further than that..."
Said the coward from the safety of its basement in between chee-tos.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 12:16 pm
Exactly. They think that, as cheerleaders, they themselves are part of the power structure, rather than expendable dross. What gets me is that these morons have experience with this kinda thing first hand -- they can cheer for "their" team all they want, but if they try to get all buddy-buddy with, say, Terrell Jones, they're in for at best a rude shock.
Hey, the feds are just watching a few folks with subvervise skin color or belonging to infidel religions. Of course, you always have to be on the lookout for commies, as Bob Novack and the wingnuttia right know only too well. Consider the case of this commie infiltrator, for example.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/d...05/
a09lo650.htm
Where you have a concentration of power in a few hands, all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control.
The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the party that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.
~Lord Acton
Hillary told Cheney to go to Iraq.
Just to check things out of course.
WTF is wrong with these people.
Like his trip will bring anyone home sooner or stop the money flowing away.
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
I'm fucked.
I just got through ILL a copy of Sean Wilenz's The Rise of American Democracy.
You know that puppy's on a watch list. Talk about subversive books....
This is so fahrenheit 451.
I saw a UMass student with a Chinese Red Book in his hand
Walking through the streets of Boston in the rain
He was looking for a place called Lee Ho Fook's
Going to get himself a big dish of beef chow mein
aowooo
Muslims of America
aowooo
Anybody know what the liar Bu$h was talking about when he said Congress had been notified dozens of times about the spying?
The details were probably placed on public display in a filing cabinet in Cheney's undisclosed location, with a sign reading 'Beware of the Leopard'.
Funny, I was in the local hardware store yesterday and the little American flags for sale at the counter were made in China. I shit ye not...
The commies won the cold war.
Exactly. They think that, as cheerleaders, they themselves are part of the power structure, rather than expendable dross.
You can't spell "useful idiot" without "idiot."
We the Muslims.
My Islamic students, who are mostly white kids with the zealousness of converts, were scared shitless before this came out.
NYMary (SUNY) | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 12:17 pm | #
I wonder if the people running this database understand or care about the breakdown of Muslims in the US. Most of the Muslims here in Dayton are African-American converts (this was a surprise to my best friend's Egyptian hubby). A lot of the 'middle easterners' are actually Christian. Are they checking up on all the med students/docs who are here (and probably aren't going back home).
Most of the non-citizen Muslims dearly love the 'idea' of America and are very, very pissed and worried that we seem to be willing and happily pissing it away.
Democracy doesn't come from elections. It comes when the defeated government steps down.
I wonder what other books will get you a visit from the feds?
bingo
Bingo, trust me: I am doing my level best to ensure that one of them will be CHALLENGE by some weirdo living in Western Michigan.
DWD - Chronicler of Evil
Oddly enough you can download damn near anything from weapon to bomb and biological making instructions on the net.
Go figure.
Thank god I got my copy of....... before 2000.
DWD- looking forward to reading it from an undisclosed location
NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
If they're afraid of commies, you'd think they'd be more bothered by our massive trade with China, the fact that all our jobs seem to be going there, and the fact that they hold a shitload of our national debt. Wal-Mart and friends are doing a lot more to further the cause of Communism than some kid reading Chairman Mao.
Dr. Wu | 12.17.05 - 12:20 pm
At core, this also displays, not only their basic cowardice -- the fear of different ideas -- but their knowledge that their own ideas are wrong and unpopular. Goes right back to all the lying and bullshit about the Iraq invasion.
If their plans, ideas, values, etc., etc., etc., are so damn superior, then they can withstand any test or scrutiny.
The truth defends itself.
"Even before the war. . . Germany underwent a brutal and chilling transformation. Behind the facade of legality, the Nazis dismantled the established protections of law."
NYT 12/18, review of "The Third Reich in Power"
Would I be wrong in assuming that Bush's using the authority of the Executive branch to do what he deems necessary contrary to the law is identical to Nixon's plotting and handling of the Watergate break-in? Both could be considered to be exercises in the use of executive power.
I just we really need an truely, bipartisan Congressional oversight committee, equal numbers of both parties, to investigate if in fact it is. If both are, then Nixon is owed an apology....NOT!
So how far away is America's Reichstag Fire?
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Would I be wrong in assuming that Bush's using the authority of the Executive branch to do what he deems necessary contrary to the law is identical to Nixon's plotting and handling of the Watergate break-in? Both could be considered to be exercises in the use of executive power.
I just we really need an truely, bipartisan Congressional oversight committee, equal numbers of both parties, to investigate if in fact it is. If both are, then Nixon is owed an apology....NOT!
HalfFastSkier
Two points
1. Bush could never use that argument or even consider it on his own.
2. Once the power is recognized NO one will give it back. Doesn't matter if it is Republican or Democrat.
The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the party that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.
Wow. He must have been prescient about today's GOP
aowooo
Muslims of America
aowooo
The Kenosha Kid
So how far away is America's Reichstag Fire?
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Agent Orange
911
Let me try something: Stories that have bin forgotten.
Killing of the sick, unarmed man in Miami
The Plame Affair
The bogus intelligence for the war
The malfeasance of the SCOTUS
Scalia's hunting trip with Cheney
The Abu Grahib Pictures
The Diebold Conspiracy in Ohio
Katrina Victims
Guitar George playing while people died
The equal intelligence claim by the White House
The lying to Congress by the oil executives
The propaganda war on Americans
Secret bases for torture
More?
taranto -- malkin pillowfight
In the past, the Supreme Court has upheld genuine outrages against civil liberties during wartime, such as restrictions on free speech during World War I (Schenck v. U.S.) and the internment of innocent Japanese-Americans during World War II (Korematsu v. U.S.)
The Second Amendment is starting to look a whole lot more reasonable, these days, isn't it?
The Founders were a smart bunch of people. They LIVED through and under a regime that bears some striking similarities to Chimpy's.
They were sincere, patriotic British subjects, who could not understand why their beloved sovereign was treating them in such a way.
Time and again, they entreated the Crown and Parliament to treat them as the loyal British subjects they felt themselves to be.
When it finally dawned on them the crown considered them as less then the dust beneath his royal shoes, then, and only then, did they take up the musket and rifle.
The Founders, knowing full well that too much power in the hands of ANYONE was a Bad Thing, created the three branches of our government and imbued each with the power to check the actions of the others.
And then, because they KNEW that, in the words of Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."the Second Amendment was put in place.
One has but to read their letters and comments to know that they fully intended that Amendment to be a final check upon the excesses of the very government they themselves had fought for and sacrificed so much for to bring forth.
Are we at that point yet, when we MUST take up arms against the feculent toads that squat in the White House and call the Constitution "A fucking piece of paper!"?
I hope not.
I pray not.
But I have my guns. I have them legally stored in Vermont. As a citizen of Massachusetts I am following the laws here and do not wish to deal with the paperwork involved to have them here.
Should the time come, should the need arise, I will damn the laws of the Commonwealth and take up arms in the defense of that "Fucking piece of paper" and strive to the last to defend it against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC!
I see where Dickie got a spanking for Hillary yesterday and promptly changed his itinerary (digging the spiderhole a little deeper). Apparently, she scolded him about not having gone to Iraq once, so now he's going.
Hell, even the deserter went, if for no other reason than to have his picture taken with a plastic turkey, then make like a hockey player and get the puck outta there. Five-deferment Dick hasn't seen a reason to put his ass on the line, at least until yesterday when he got bitch slapped by a woman.
If they're tracking ILL records, they're certainly tracking Amazon.com purchases.
Uh-oh--I hope they realize those that BeeGees anthology was a gift
Shinobi,
"Once the power is recognized NO one will give it back. Doesn't matter if it is Republican or Democrat."
That's the scary part, isn't it? Once the Constitution is trashed there's no going back.
If Mao can get you into trouble what else. That book isn't even in their terror framework is anything not in right wing ideology gonna get you a visit.
oh, and Brian Williams: GWU/CUA.
toobin needs a massive cockpunch
Jeffrey Toobin: magna cum laude, Harvard Law. Editor of law review.
theodoric
Makes it all the more bizarre. We might have to gang cockpunch some sense into that dude.
So how far away is America's Reichstag Fire?
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Agent Orange
Someone already beat me the exact date but I would further suggest that the Congress is highly irrelevent. They are not going to do anything. The Republicans are happy. The conservatives are liars. The democrats are cowed and ball-less.
Why bother burning something that does not matter?
Should the time come, should the need arise, I will damn the laws of the Commonwealth and take up arms in the defense of that "Fucking piece of paper" and strive to the last to defend it against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC!
Chris Tucker
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So tell me Chris, what does that MEAN? Does that mean you will go out and shoot some government official? Or maybe a cop enforcing a law you don't like? Or that you are "ready for them when they come for you"? Seriously, what are you talking about here?
DWD- are you hearing a knock on the door ?
As previously noted the real issue with the Bushboy spying on American citizens without a warrant is that it re-affirms the fact that this POTUS hasn't any comprehension or care about observing the laws of the USA or the US Constitution he swore to uphold.
Not that it's surprising. The depraved moron in the WH has had a lifetime of flouting the law and wiping his ass with the Constitution, while our mealy mouth MSM fawns and cavils before the coward.
I can understand Big Dick not going to Iraq.
He has "other priorities".
Excellent post, Chris Tucker. Excellent.
Peace out, 'bats!
Why do we have professors having students reading Mao anyway? I don't see any of those pinko professors assigning Mein Kampf.
-David "ice pick Trotskyite" Horowitz
how far away is America's Reichstag Fire?
Two snappy answers --
a.) It's only one drunken Dutch Communist away.
b.) I don't know -- how long ago was 9.11?
I have Andrea Mitchell in my Jews of America database.
Chris Tucker:word
George, what part of "defend the Constituition against all enemies, foreign and domestic" don't you understand?
Oh, wait, you're a moronic brownshirt fuck troll, aren't you?
Eat Shit and Die. NOW.
Thank you.
The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the party that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.
Wow. He must have been prescient about today's GOP
Or the new Iraqi government.
if there's a list of who they were spying on , i bet the kerry camp had its phones tapped. my guess id the more we find out the bigger the outrage.
drip, drip
Bingo, not yet: but they know where to find me. I will not hide.
Once the Constitution is trashed there's no going back.
Thing is, the Constitution has plenty of flaws. Rex Tugwell had some good ideas for fixing them (unfortunately so far out of print that I can't find the book on Amazon), but the dialogue has shifted so far to the right since then that all we can do is hang on to the Constitution for dear life.
The quote attributed to Ben Franklin needs repeating...
"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
(FTR the quote was most likely written by a Richard Jackson and repeated by Franklin).
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Is there a database called "Jews of America"? "Catholics of America"? "Druids of America"? Who made up the database? How do names get on it? Who checks it?
DWD:
What is incredibly appalling is that the list you posted is but a fraction of the crimes, lies, failures and scandals of the Bushboy regime.
Considering how apoplectic the MSM went over Monica, you would think they would 24/7 horrified by Bushboy's far more grievous transgressions!
I would say for sure they are spying on blogs , leftys , all who are not sheeple. If they are spying on the QUAKERS well.......
Get your priorities straight, none of this matters. The single most important issue today is that it looks like Futurama is going to be relaunched
Iraqi reconstruction money unaccounted for
Massive Halliburton overbilling in Iraq
Energy company price gouging
My Pet Goat
Where's Osama?
JimmyJeff's White House access
Recess appointment of John Bolton
Fundamentalism at the FDA
Withholding information about the Medicare bill costs
Editing reports to downplay global warming
WHat's really interesting in the Mitchell quote is her defining this basic violation of yje Constitution into a "fishing expedition." If that's not a talking point from the top, I don't know what is. And it may work: turn the perception into God this is all lehal mumbo-jumbo, Nanacu Grace probably has some good defense-attorny scorching tonight, let's change the channel.
A revolution to conserve the Right of Englishmen, eh? Rossiter's rubbish. Nope. In fact the FF fought for freedoms no Englishman of the times ever hoped for.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Realisticly, just how far would Ben get with that kind of rhetoric in today's political climate?
Yea! Futurama!
I would say for sure they are spying on blogs , leftys , all who are not sheeple. If they are spying on the QUAKERS well.......
bingo | 12.17.05 - 12:39 p
On the other hand, given how good their computer systems have been the past twenty years, and how, ahem, eager they are to share intel with each other, maybe we're not as bad off as we think.
Spooked you are really good at spooking me. There were supposedly a lot of people who might have info NOT supporting the official account of 9/11. Passenger lists, people at ticket counters, people going through wreckage. All of them sworn to secrecy for the purposes of the official FBI "investigation", much of which never was revealed publicly, nor given, I would imagine, to the 9/11 commission.
Goodness. If that kid at Dartmouth is being visited by the feds, I guess I should shower and make a few snacks because I'll be getting a visit any day now. I'm writing a paper on unconventional wars and purchased a bunch of books written by Che Guevara, Mao-Tse-Tung, Sun Tsu, etc... It's been nice posting and getting to know you guys.
George, what part of "defend the Constituition against all enemies, foreign and domestic" don't you understand?
Oh, wait, you're a moronic brownshirt fuck troll, aren't you?
Eat Shit and Die. NOW.
Thank you.
Chris Tucke
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LOL! You sound just like the redneck wannabes I have to put up with every day.
It's a simple question Chris....who are you going to shoot? A congressman? The president? The dogcatcher? Some poor cop trying to do his job? Or are you just spouting off like the local trailer trash, and talking about "being ready when they come for you".
Realisticly, just how far would Ben get with that kind of rhetoric in today's political climate?
Al Swearengen
FoxNews would excoriate him for his french-sympathies.
Bill O'Reilly would say he was against Christmas and (ironically) a pervert.
Agent Orange
Shinobi beat me to it
(& NYMary keeps doin' it)
Tweety was all gushy last night about a xmas party he attended at the WH and he was positively giddy about rubbing elbows with Bushboy.
He related how he had on his xmas red scarf and how he bantered with the depraved moron.
He then questioned whether he was "respectful enough" of the POTUS!!!
Tweety sees the crimes and hears the lies that Bushboy does on a daily basis and still doesn't get it!!!
Amazing!!!!!!
Makes it all the more bizarre.
not really. My only point in raising academic credentials is that I think it's tremendously relevant where these people are literally coming from.
when you go from a media apparatus composed of alumni of miscellaneous rural land grant colleges to one where practically everybody has been through Harvard, Yale, or Georgetown, you have a fundamental shift in perspective.
I'd like to offer a coinage that sums up my argument: Blueblood Media Establishment (BME).
Hey, whaddya expect from Andrea Mitchell, she just spent the night fucking my son Alan.
I can't get over the quaker spying it's just so absurd
Sorry, sorry, it's OT but it gave me a bitter laugh. One of the threads at Free Republic -- I think this is the first time I've ever gone there without following a link from here -- one of the threads is "Soldier Breathes Life Into Iraqi Child".
A Christmas miracle!
Killing of the sick, unarmed man in Miami
The Plame Affair
The bogus intelligence for the war
The malfeasance of the SCOTUS
Scalia's hunting trip with Cheney
The Abu Grahib Pictures
The Diebold Conspiracy in Ohio
Katrina Victims
Guitar George playing while people died
The equal intelligence claim by the White House
The lying to Congress by the oil executives
The propaganda war on Americans
Secret bases for torture
Iraqi reconstruction money unaccounted for
Massive Halliburton overbilling in Iraq
Energy company price gouging
My Pet Goat
Where's Osama?
JimmyJeff's White House access
Recess appointment of John Bolton
Fundamentalism at the FDA
Withholding information about the Medicare bill costs
Editing reports to downplay global warming
(Thanks Dr. Wu)
Bush's heroism (Running like a child pissing his pants the entire way on 9/11)
Enron
Abramhoff Scandal (I know this is still simmering, but it is doing it very quietly)
DeLay's criminality
The NE USA operative just convicted for malicious tampering
The cutting of the wires at the call center in Lucas County, OH on election day.
More?
1217 changed everything.
Iraqi reconstruction money unaccounted for
Massive Halliburton overbilling in Iraq
Energy company price gouging
My Pet Goat
Where's Osama?
JimmyJeff's White House access
Recess appointment of John Bolton
Fundamentalism at the FDA
Withholding information about the Medicare bill costs
Editing reports to downplay global warming
You forgot Hurricane Katrina
The Second Amendment is starting to look a whole lot more reasonable, these days, isn't it?
There's a new slogan in there like: Mess with my 4'th amendment rights, answer to my 2'nd.
Rudy --
Tweety needs to come to terms with his actually sexual orientation -- his life will have more integrity once he is out of the closet
Iraqi reconstruction money unaccounted for
Massive Halliburton overbilling in Iraq
Energy company price gouging
My Pet Goat
Where's Osama?
JimmyJeff's White House access
Recess appointment of John Bolton
Fundamentalism at the FDA
Withholding information about the Medicare bill costs
Editing reports to downplay global warming
In addition
Total lack of professionalism, ethics or tact
Viciously going after any who disagree, by litigation (Ken Ford), career destruction (Val Plame) and slander (Paul O'Neill)
The destruction of our own military
Torture
Mass-murder by carelessness, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, on IX/XI and with Katrina
Brutally cynical criminality, as in defending only the oil ministry in the initial rape of Iraq
Brazen assaults on the character of the law
Consistently mendaciously misreporting and misestimating economic, criminal and military stats
Just shy of openly seeking a police state
the president just shot a man he thought was Muslim. Is it murder? The critics say YES, the President says NO.
and Now a word from our sponsor....
Realisticly, just how far would Ben get with that kind of rhetoric in today's political climate?
Al Swearengen
Hell, half the Founding Parental Units would be in Gitmo today.
Every email and every blog is in the electronic data base forever and is always retrievable.
Just keep that in mind and consider that the totalitarian barbarians that currently run our government, will use that data base for whatever nefarious purposes their twisted minds can conjure!!!
It's been nice posting and getting to know you guys.
Monica_A-
Be sure to send us a postcard from Gitmo! And pack light. And when you meet a prisoner named el-Kahazar, be sure to say, "I enjoy finding puddles on a hovercraft."
peace is the biggest thret to war
Agent Orange
Shinobi beat me to it
(& NYMary keeps doin' it)
Prior Aelred
9/11 can be attributed to incompetence...the upcoming Reichstag Fire will be a result of willful neglect or worse.
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if there's a list of who they were spying on
Bush could have done this spying entirely within the law, using Patriot Act provisions and the existing surveillance court. The only conceivable reason he didn't was that the targets on the list are political "enemies" rather than threats to national security.
I don't think the list will ever be made public. Too much is at stake.
On the other hand, given how good their computer systems have been the past twenty years, and how, ahem, eager they are to share intel with each other, maybe we're not as bad off as we think.
The NSA's computers? Second to none. The NSA has capablilites beyond most people's understanding or expectation. But that aside, would you know if Atrios was served with a subpoena for IP addresses of those posting here? Would your ISP inform you if they were served too? You won't know until you get the knock on the door, will you?
Then again, the NSA may not need to do all of that legwork. Given this most recent news, expect the worst.
Tweety needs to come to terms with his actually sexual orientation -- his life will have more integrity once he is out of the closet
Dad! Chris Matthews won't come out of the closet!
Futurama is going to be relaunched
If this is true it makes my day.
Even if I have to bite the bullet and get cable TV.
When I moved into this house almost a year ago, I thought I'd finally break down and get cable right away.
But whenever I'm around cable TV I see people surfing through thirty channels of unwatchable crap. I hear good things about shows like "Weeds" but I never seem to spontaneously sample anything worthwhile.
And I notice a lot of breaks in the programming, and commercials (ads). I thought cable didn't have ads...
Not really a sports fan, or cooking show or home remodeling fan, and I'm pretty picky about movies. Not exactly the target demographic, I guess.
PS: Haloscan getting very mulish and contrary, typical Saturday crap.
if there's a list of who they were spying on , i bet the kerry camp had its phones tapped. my guess id the more we find out the bigger the outrage.
drip, drip
mestizo
There were plenty of dirty tricks in the 2004 election - google "suppress the black vote" for example - but this is much worse than Watergate, imo.
The fact that the press knew about this, among other things, and kept it quiet for over a year, when it could have made a difference in the election is sickening!!! We cannot trust our press - it's a simple as that!
Bush will do whatever he wants - and the press will downplay the criticism.
We need to keep a watchful eye on these folks and call them on their pandering bs at every opportunity.
Thank you, Atrios, for doing just that - and thank God for all of you great commenters, especially the Atriots, on the lefty blogs!!!
You forgot Hurricane Katrina
Hecate
I was just adding to DWD's list. He already got Katrina and the rest of the obvious "highlights."
Tweety needs to come to terms with his actually sexual orientation -- his life will have more integrity once he is out of the closet
Prior Aelred
That would clear up a lot about Tweety's confusion and cowardice. Thanks Prior!!!
Realisticly, just how far would Ben get with that kind of rhetoric in today's political climate?
Al Swearengen
FoxNews would excoriate him for his french-sympathies.
Bill O'Reilly would say he was against Christmas and (ironically) a pervert.
Ben actually thought negros could think, reason and learn with the best of "us," much to the dismay of his contemporaries.
http://www.commondreams.org/news...005/1216-
06.htm
Landmark Torture Ban Undercut:
Congress Would Allow Evidence Obtained by Torture
WASHINGTON - December 16 - Even as the U.S. Congress has passed a prohibition against the use of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, it is set to adopt legislation that would strip the judiciary’s ability to enforce the ban, Human Rights Watch warned today.
(snip)
But the legislation containing the McCain Amendment currently includes another provision – the Graham-Levin Amendment – that would deny the five hundred-some detainees in Guantánamo Bay the ability to bring legal action seeking relief from the use of torture or cruel and inhumane treatment. And it implicitly authorizes the Department of Defense to consider evidence obtained through torture or other inhumane treatment in assessing the status of detainees held in Guantánamo Bay.
If passed into law, this would be the first time in American history that Congress has effectively permitted the use of evidence obtained through torture.
Yesterday, when I posted about this, I was under the impression this was Lindsey Graham's ammendment; now, I read it was co-sponsored by Dem. Levin. Ooops and WTF?
This seems very, very important to me. What is a Democrat, leading Democrat, doing bringing this kind of odious and illegal legislation to our nation?
Anyone know more about Levin's role?
I'm feeling kind of sick about this.
How can Democrats stand as the party defending civil liberties and rule of law if one of them does something like this?
But it does explain why BushCo agreed to the McCain ammendment. I cannot believe McCain doesn't know damn well what is going on. Why did he sell out? Oh, yeah, IOKIYAR.
But what about LEVIN?
Fire Bill Keller.
Fire him before he does more damage to our country.
I would prefer to be on Holden's list. But if I was placed on a list with all of you, I would consider it an honor.
Every email and every blog is in the electronic data base forever and is always retrievable.
I agree. With that precedent the only thing that prevents archival storage of voice communication is storage capacity. But that's just around the corner.
Legally what's the difference between reading and saving the body of every e-mail and listening and recording every phone conversation...none that I see.
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would you know if Atrios was served with a subpoena for IP addresses of those posting here?
Subpoenas? Bush don't need no stinkin' subpoenas! He's the preznit. He wants your IP address, he just has his spies get it for him. And he'll continue doing so.
looks like we have a good impeachment list going-see we have lists too.
Little Brother:
I posted this below (after you left) & see you reposted as well, so here we go!
Little Brøther @ 12:01 pm
Wonderful movie but Old Lodge Skins is a more endearing character in the movie than the book, I think & the movie's conclusion is more enjoyable -- in the movie OLS skins his death song & lies down to die but the rain splatters on his face:
OLS: Am I still in this world?
DH: Yes, Grandfather.
OLS: Well, sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't.
OLS (as they walk back down the hill toward the camp): I have a new wife. She's a Comanche. They like to copulate with horses. She says she doesn't. That's why I call her Doesn't Like Horses." Of course she's lying.
In the book, he dies.
And yes, ethnologicts tell us that most "primitive" peoples have terms that describe their own tribe as "human beings" & other groups... get a somewhat less complimentary appellation
... It's been nice posting and getting to know you guys.
Monica_A
Yeah, might want to watch The Great Escape or Shawshank Redemption again.
Tweety needs to come to terms with his actually sexual orientation
What is the sexual orientation of someone who enjoys humping the president's leg?
Killing of the sick, unarmed man in Miami
The Plame Affair
The bogus intelligence for the war
The malfeasance of the SCOTUS
Scalia's hunting trip with Cheney
The Abu Grahib Pictures
The Diebold Conspiracy in Ohio
Katrina Victims
Guitar George playing while people died
The equal intelligence claim by the White House
The lying to Congress by the oil executives
The propaganda war on Americans
Secret bases for torture
Iraqi reconstruction money unaccounted for
Massive Halliburton overbilling in Iraq
Energy company price gouging
My Pet Goat
Where's Osama?
JimmyJeff's White House access
Recess appointment of John Bolton
Fundamentalism at the FDA
Withholding information about the Medicare bill costs
Editing reports to downplay global warming
(Thanks Dr. Wu)
Bush's heroism (Running like a child pissing his pants the entire way on 9/11)
Enron
Abramhoff Scandal (I know this is still simmering, but it is doing it very quietly)
DeLay's criminality
The NE USA operative just convicted for malicious tampering
The cutting of the wires at the call center in Lucas County, OH on election day.
(Thanks K&Y)
Total lack of professionalism, ethics or tact
Viciously going after any who disagree, by litigation (Ken Ford), career destruction (Val Plame) and slander (Paul O'Neill)
The destruction of our own military
Torture
Mass-murder by carelessness, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, on IX/XI and with Katrina
Brutally cynical criminality, as in defending only the oil ministry in the initial rape of Iraq
Brazen assaults on the character of the law
Consistently mendaciously misreporting and misestimating economic, criminal and military stats
Just shy of openly seeking a police state
"No longer can the President treat those in congress with the same consideration that he has. He needs to treat them as rabid dogs waiting to infect all those they contact with a deadly disease, anti-Americanism and especially anti-freedom"
Freepers don't quite "get" irony.
I'm mad as hell. Thanks Paddy.
would you know if Atrios was served with a subpoena for IP addresses of those posting here?
Atrios would be prohibited by law from revealing the existence of such a request to you.
Atrios' ISP would be prohibited by law from revealing the existence of such a request to Atrios.
And that's if they followed the legal procedure....
Tweety was all gushy last night about a xmas party he attended at the WH and he was positively giddy about rubbing elbows with Bushboy.
Why do you think WATB Harris smacked down Dan Froomkin last week?
No coincidink that it was the WH ho-down on Thursday night.
I, too, am puzzled about Levin -- there is something very odd here
I'm a patriotic American who obeys the law and pays my taxes. I also think George W. Bush is endangering our economy, our military, our standing in the world community, our rule of law, and the principles on which our nation was founded. Furthermore I think he represents the worst of corrupt pay-for-play kleptocratic crony government, that he has nothing but contempt for the vast majority of Americans, and that he is quite likely the worst President ever.
If the FBI wants to ask me why I think that, bring it on.
Freepers don't quite "get" irony.
Nim, ham hock of liberty | Email | 12.17.05 - 12:52 pm
Roger that:
"The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties. And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the President of the United States."
Fantastic! Sing it, Mr. President, time to tell 'em how it is.
"Muslims of America" would be the list my dad's on, since he is a muslim naturalized citizen (and since two of his brothers were Syrian generals, I'm pretty sure it's not the only list he's on). I, on the other hand, am probably on the "Utterly Disgusted, Just-About-Ready-to-Renounce-Citizenship, Muslim-Sympathizing, Repuke/Christian-Hating Atheists of America" list. We'll be assigned to adjoining camps. But mine will be mysteriously blown up.
Hey NSA computer!! You reading this? You're mother was a Trash-80! Fuck you!
But what about LEVIN?
jawbone
Another to add to the Hillary Joementum list.
Toss in Rahm Emmanuel for not supporting Murtha.
Nice bunch of "progressives".
Hey NSA computer!! You reading this? You're mother was a Trash-80! Fuck you!
spinoza
Shhh, Goliath will here you.
Time to rewind the cassette.
"The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties. And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the President of the United States."
Fantastic! Sing it, Mr. President, time to tell 'em how it is.
filkertom
The Constitution is nothong but a goddamned piece of paper.
Perhaps Karen Huge could explain muslems to Chimpo.
As Undersecretary of Diplomacy, she's the one for the job
spinozo-hahahahhahha that was too funny
I'd love to stay & chat (Hi mena!) but I really have to go do a little yoga & try to get a little rest to get my blood pressure down (Thanks George!)
I'd love to stay & chat (Hi mena!) but I really have to go do a little yoga & try to get a little rest to get my blood pressure down (Thanks George!)
Tweety needs to come to terms with his sexual orientation
His usual orientation is "on his knees, facing the President."
Tweety needs to come to terms with his sexual orientation
His usual orientation is "on his knees, facing the President."
the key phrase there from the preznit was "in my power" not outside his power like what he is doing.
Hi Prior. Calm blue ocean!
Shinobi -- I tell ya. That's exactly why I don't go to Freeperville if I can help it. Those guys have some damn strange notions about how freedom is supposed to work.
Someone already beat me the exact date but I would further suggest that the Congress is highly irrelevent. They are not going to do anything. The Republicans are happy. The conservatives are liars. The democrats are cowed and ball-less.
Larry Wilkerson said it: you expect the Congress to step up, and if not, the system breaks down. And then you start using the preamble to the Declaration of Independence as an operations manual.
I, for one, welcome our newly candid overlord.
Those guys have some damn strange notions about how freedom is supposed to work.
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True. They think it involves responsibility and icky stuff like that.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I know of no case where a terrorist was successfully prosecuted using the provisions of the Patriot Act.
And George lied about this as well.
Shinobi -- I tell ya. That's exactly why I don't go to Freeperville if I can help it. Those guys have some damn strange notions about how freedom is supposed to work.
filkertom
It doesn't seem to be limited.
For a real test ask people if they think holocaust deniers should have the right to free speech. Or if the KKK should have the right to gather in public.
Most people do not understand it is all or nothing. Either you defend EVERYONES rights or no one has any.
Test of Haloscum.
And yes, ethnologicts tell us that most "primitive" peoples have terms that describe their own tribe as "human beings" & other groups... get a somewhat less complimentary appellation.
That explains why we have to keep going through all of these things, doesn't it?
My sense is that it's more like a corkscrew than a circle. It doesn't happen in a vacumn in other words. Along the spiraling path you institute plans, processes, models and behaviors that have ancillary, but not irrelevant consequences.
So, even if you don't kill yourselves off in some global confligration, eventually, you use up available resources or change the habitat, climate or something else so that all of the childlike impulse living comes back to haunt your species in the form of a big dieoff.
And yes, ethnologicts tell us that most "primitive" peoples have terms that describe their own tribe as "human beings" & other groups... get a somewhat less complimentary appellation
Prior Aelred
Cultural anthropologists and linguists have praised Thomas Berger's Little Big Man for it's historical accuracy and precision, specifically with regard to language.
"One of the very best novels of the decade and the very best novel ever about the American West." The New York Times Book Review
Hey, Quentin C,
If you're still here, would you email (or post) the url for the articles of impeachment (Nixon) that you posted last night?
I'm still stunned by that.
They think it involves responsibilityzzzZzzzZZzz.
as long as it's not to the law, tr00l?
Those guys have some damn strange notions about how freedom is supposed to work.
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True. They think it involves responsibility and icky stuff like that.
Eschatonian
Like the responsibility to volunteer themselves and their children for military action?
Or to volunteer to pay taxes that support public works?
I reserve all my freedom thinking to "freedom of speech zones"
Haloscan ate my reply to the Prior, but I'll try a shorter version and temporarily forbear swearing:
Thanks for responding, Prior. I also was charmed by OLS' "death" scene in the film. I didn't read the book until much later.
Usually I'm annoyed when screenplays "improve" stories by eliminating genuinely tragic and bleak moments, but this twist worked in its own way.
And I'll leave it at that, since Haloscan may simply annihilate this response too...
from the ap link from above:
I loved this from Russ Feingold
Reacting to Bush's defense of the NSA program, Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said the president's remarks were "breathtaking in how extreme they were."
Feingold said it was "absurd" that Bush said he relied on his inherent power as president to authorize the wiretaps.
"If that's true, he doesn't need the Patriot Act because he can just make it up as he goes along. I tell you, he's President George Bush, not King George Bush. This is not the system of government we have and that we fought for," Feingold told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.
Approaching bottleneck.
Jack Anderson is dead.
Articles of Impeachment against Nixon.
There's a legend about Christian X of Denmark, wearing a yellow Star of David in solidarity with his Jewish citizens during WWII.
Haloscum is being a right bastard today.
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How we'll know BushCo/NeoCons (or however they'll be known) feel they've consolidated all the power they need:
They'll move for tight gun control, strict registration, meticulous tracking of any firearms, even ammunition. Terr-ists, ya know.
(And I'm for gun control. But if they are--run for the hills!)
For a real test ask people if they think holocaust deniers should have the right to free speech. Or if the KKK should have the right to gather in public.
Most people do not understand it is all or nothing. Either you defend EVERYONES rights or no one has any.
Shinobi | 12.17.05 - 1:02 pm
The important part of that, of course, is the right to debunk it, as opposed to our standard journalistic operating procedure lately of just laying both sides out there as if they have equal weight, shrugging, and saying, "Who knows?"
Holocaust deniers have the right to deny the Holocaust, but all that pesky evidence, witnesses, survivors, etc., may pose a problem. The KKK has the right to parade their hate, but we have the right -- indeed, the responsibility to show them to be the assholes they are, and then to ignore their rantings (which is not the same as ignoring them -- one doesn't turn one's back on a feral dog).
Freedoms come with responsibilities. And, bluntly, everyone should be proud to shoulder those responsibilities for the sake of those freedoms and our society. The fact that BushCo continually sidesteps responsibilities and denies freedoms to those they don't like makes them qualified for nothing more than an oubliette at the Hague.
All praises be to Allah.
It's absolutely fundamental to Democracy that the President obey the rule of law.
Or at least, that's what everyone in the GOP said back when they thought it was important to impeach the President for getting a blow job.
We're all Muslims in this mess.
I, too, am puzzled about Levin -- there is something very odd here
Prior Aelred
Levin authored/sponsored the bill in its original form, which did not include the offending passages; those were added in Committee. As to why he remains a sponsor after their addition, I cannot say, but I have written to inquire.
So, even if you don't kill yourselves off in some global confligration, eventually, you use up available resources or change the habitat, climate or something else so that all of the childlike impulse living comes back to haunt your species in the form of a big dieoff.
==
Which is what the notion of 'civilizaton' is supposed to accomodate. We just don't seem to be improving at sustaining them.
"Politics" is made up of two words, "Poli", which is Greek for "many", and "tics", which are blood sucking insects. -- Gore Vidal
I don't know if Maher credits Vidal for that.
You know what Mencken said....
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin cutting throats. -- H.L. Mencken
If you support this president, please immediately throw yourself in front of a speeding train. Thank you.
All praises be to Allah.
And don't forget his magic Minaret dildo!
I'm certain that perennial guest Zsa Zsa Biden will have appropriately stern critical comments about this on tomorrow's TV gabfests.
Dr. Wu -- word. How long now have we been pointing out, "If Clinton did this...."
Repubs are clinically schizophrenic. Not to mention sociopathic.
The conundrum with all this is: to what end? if it's Muslims of America, why not the other sleeper cells of white folk a la Tim McVeigh or those people up in Wyoming, was it, some years back? or any other number of terrorist groups that the CIA/FBI no doubt have in their scopes.
Again, we have the slippery slope as only Bush has oiled it, does it end anywhere, will Republicans that have true ethics and responsibility to their constituents stop and say "wait a goddamn minute, that's not right".
this situation seems to be an ultimate test of whether an illegal activity by a president is upheld and supported by his own party.
Barry Goldwater is long dead.
Well, another day in crazy-land.
I can't believe the president admitted that he just reauthorized an illegal program.
What part of this don't the freepers and the wingers get? Don't they understand if the government can do this to the "bad" guys, they can do it to them too?
And WTF is up with the government looking at ILLs? what craziness is this? we now have a proscribed list of books?
Allahu Akhbar
This Just In!
Wilhelm Reichquist is still dead.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"
Time to defend our liberty...Impeach Bush.
The Ghost of
well, well, isn't this interesting:
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
na...st_Charity.html
Saturday, December 17, 2005 · Last updated 9:38 a.m. PT
AP: Frist AIDS charity paid consultants
By JONATHAN M. KATZ AND JOHN SOLOMON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS
WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's AIDS charity paid nearly a half-million dollars in consulting fees to members of his political inner circle, according to tax returns providing the first financial accounting of the presidential hopeful's nonprofit.
The returns for World of Hope Inc., obtained by The Associated Press, also show the charity raised the lion's share of its $4.4 million from just 18 sources. They gave between $97,950 and $267,735 each to help fund Frist's efforts to fight AIDS.
...The donors included several corporations with frequent business before Congress, such as insurer Blue Cross/Blue Shield, manufacturer 3M, drug maker Eli Lilly and the Goldman Sachs investment firm.
World of Hope gave $3 million it raised to charitable AIDS causes, such as Africare and evangelical Christian groups with ties to Republicans - Franklin Graham's Samaritan Purse and the Rev. Luis Cortes' Esperanza USA, for example.
The rest of the money went to overhead. That included $456,125 in consulting fees to two firms run by Frist's longtime political fundraiser, Linus Catignani. One is jointly run by Linda Bond, the wife of Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond, R-Mo.
The charity also hired the law firm of Vogel's wife, Jill Holtzman Vogel, and Frist's Tennessee accountant, Deborah Kolarich.
...Political experts said both the size of the charity's big donations as well as its consulting fees raise questions about whether the tax-exempt group benefited Frist's politics.
"These tax deductible gifts were earmarked through Senator Frist," Cooper said. "They were raised in the political arena at the 2004 Republican Convention and the natural question is were they given to the Senate majority leader to gain favor or were they given for true charitable purposes?"
Cooper said the consulting fees were "excessively high" and the fact that they were "paid to primarily political consultants also raises questions about the long-range strategic benefits for the 2008 presidential race."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
pr...st_Charity.html
Again, we have the slippery slope as only Bush has oiled it, does it end anywhere, will Republicans that have true ethics and responsibility to their constituents stop and say "wait a goddamn minute, that's not right".
No, they will not.
The will support their dear leader no matter what.
What needs to be said, over and over and over is "would you be comfortable with this much power in Hillary Clinton's hands?"
Either you defend EVERYONES rights
or no one has any.
Shinobi | 12.17.05 - 1:02 pm
Actually, I think the laws in
Europe against falsifying history
are a pretty good idea.
Fuck David Irving.
Impeachment, the winning issue for 2006. Expect Hillary, Joe, and Joe to say that's too extreme, but if Howard just uses the word, there won't be enough voting machines in any ward in the country to handle the huge influx of new voters in Dem primaries.
Oh, and Feingold for Prez!
Impeachment, the winning issue for 2006. Expect Hillary, Joe, and Joe to say that's too extreme, but if Howard just uses the word, there won't be enough voting machines in any ward in the country to handle the huge influx of new voters in Dem primaries.
Oh, and Feingold for Prez!
The conundrum with all this is: to what end? if it's Muslims of America, why not the other sleeper cells of white folk a la Tim McVeigh or those people up in Wyoming, was it, some years back? or any other number of terrorist groups that the CIA/FBI no doubt have in their scopes.
We must keep an eye on Wilford Brimley and the Quaker Oats Brigade.
I'm tempted to go order a copy of some crazy book just to see if the FBI shows up at my office.
Mencken also observed:
It is even harder for the average ape to
believe that he has descended from man.
Oh....afternoon, all.
Actually, I think the laws in
Europe against falsifying history
are a pretty good idea.
They have those? really? what an excellent idea.
The quote attributed to Ben Franklin needs repeating...
"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
(FTR the quote was most likely written by a Richard Jackson and repeated by Franklin).
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Agent Orange | 12.17.05 - 12:37 pm | #
Wasn't there another quote from Franklin to the effect that,
"we must all hang together in this business, gentlemen, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately" ?
4LG -- they think the only thing that matters is winning. That's it.
There is a type of personality that looks at The Bottom Line -- victory, quarterly profits, number of Pokemon collected, whatever -- but they look at one limited factor and base every aspect of success or failure upon it. I suspect it must grow out of sports, but it's permeated everything. And it categorizes everything that interferes or is perceived to interfere with achieving that goal as a mortal enemy.
Which is where we are now.
Oh, and: Phuque HaloScan.
Articles of Impeachment against Nixon.
pseudonymous in nc
Thanks, pseud.
Here is one article:
(2) He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.
Getting might close, don't you think?
Zsa Zsa Biden
==
well, well, isn't this interesting:
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
I think the P-I is one of the best papers left in America. Too bad about the JOA and the joint Sunday edition with the Times.
Glenn 'libertarian and law professor' Reynolds on Bush's statement:
[crickets]
I'm certain that perennial guest Zsa Zsa Biden will have appropriately stern critical comments about this on tomorrow's TV gabfests.
I wouldn't discount him out of hand, if I were you. I think that issues of due process and civil liberties are areas where Biden actually has some of his strongest positions. He's a pushover on corporate governance and somewhat of a weakling on Iraq, but on this issue, I think he has as good Democratic creds as anybody.
We'll see if I'm wrong tomorrow.....
Actually, I think the laws in
Europe against falsifying history
are a pretty good idea.
we could never do that here. we'd have to jail 40% of the population.
As long as we're quoting Mencken, this was always one of my favorites:
"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
I'm tempted to go order a copy of some crazy book just to see if the FBI shows up at my office.
four legs good
I'm just opening up my ILL list now. If anybody knocks down the door I'll try to let you know.
4LG -- they think the only thing that matters is winning. That's it.
Yes, I know.
It's pathetic.
What is the sexual orientation of someone who enjoys humping the president's leg?
spinoza
Well, if the Preznit's sitting or standing, it would be vertical...
I'm just opening up my ILL list now. If anybody knocks down the door I'll try to let you know.
It's just outrageous. Surely it would have been easy to see that that student was studying history.
I'm certain that perennial guest Zsa Zsa Biden will have appropriately stern critical comments about this on tomorrow's TV gabfests.
Oh, here y'are:
It's 'Face The Biden' this week, as opposed to 'Meet The Biden' or 'This Biden With Joe Biden'.
Apparently Condoliar is on double-duty, with Wallace Minor and Fat Timmeh. Neither of whom will ask her why all of Europe called her a liar to her face the other week.
Glenn 'libertarian and law professor' Reynolds on Bush's statement:
[crickets]
pseudonymous in nc
Don't forget how "tired" he is.
You are only allowed to know of some history one can conclude
Biden's up with Lindsay Graham on 'Face The Biden'. We'll see if the whole Gitmo atrocity comes up.
A couple of years ago we had the FBI visit some local students who had requested maps of the access tunnels under the University here.
Apparently they were following the time honored tradition of skulking about the tunnels late at night (or trying to revive it). The feds thought something dastardly was going on.
Which is what the notion of 'civilizaton' is supposed to accomodate. We just don't seem to be improving at sustaining them.
In the venacular of individual behavior, rational maturity. The question then is just how rational or mature are homosapiens? The answer, not very.
Just look at how small children behave and you get the insight. We live on a finite planet with limited resources, but how to we act? Like children.
What's interesting to me is we've long known the answer, we just can't stop being what we are, forces of nature that act much like or animal cousins, on impulse.
The Iroquois had a belief that you do nothing in this life that will harm seven generations following. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Of course, they applied it only within their small confederation. That said, we don't even begin to operate that way anymore.
What needs to be said, over and over and over is "would you be comfortable with this much power in Hillary Clinton's hands?"
four legs good
That is the best wingnut-cockpunching tactic I've heard all week.
If nothing else, it might get one of the Goopers to let slip that it's irrelevant, since Diebold will never let another Democrat win the Presidency.
The asshat was willing to subvert the Constitution post-911 but responded to news that OBL was determined to strike the US with another brush-cutting foray.
And did targeting all those A-rabs help nab the anthrax guy?
"Muslims of America" - Atrios.
Nice of Atrios to mention the capture that was a result of information from the Zubadayah capture.
Oh wait, Atrios did not mention that. Atrios supports the war on terrorism!
all of Europe called her a liar to her face the other week.
and she's doing so well these days.
obviously she's been taking lessons from Cheney and Rumsfeld.
I've got a real handy database I call "Assholes of America". It also doubles as a White House phone directory.
Hmmm, I'm not familiar with the European laws against "falsifying history", but I'd be interested to hear if GWPDA is, and what she thinks about them.
Off the top of my head, I'd be skeptical of such laws because they would seem to presume that there exists a monolithic "true" history, an unambiguous standard to rely upon to identify "falsified" history.
Of course, there are flagrant historical distortions and falsehoods pronounced and possibly published every day. And one hopes and expects that experts and professionals would challenge, criticize, and counter attempted falsification of the historical record.
On the other hand, I don't see how legitimate revisionists and radicals would be protected from being prosecuted if their work fails to conform to the gummint-approved version of history.
'Tis a puzzlement.
Oh, AssRocket:
resident Bush gave a fantastic speech today, in which he labeled Senate Democrats "irresponsible" for filibustering the Patriot Act. He also vigorously, and effectively, defended the NSA intercept program that has come under attack since it was leaked to the New York Times. His argument was crushingly effective. I was heartened to see that Bush noted both the legality of the NSA program and the illegality of the leaks that exposed the program to the terrorists. The next step is to appoint a prosecutor to investigate who leaked this important classified information, and begin criminal proceedings against those responsible.
Just suck his cock already, ButtMissile, then we can impeach him.
That is the best wingnut-cockpunching tactic I've heard all week.
I think it's well established how much I enjoy cockpunching wingnuts.
they look at one limited factor and base every aspect of success or failure upon it. I suspect it must grow out of sports, but it's permeated everything. And it categorizes everything that interferes or is perceived to interfere with achieving that goal as a mortal enemy.
Unenlightened self-interest, with just a dash of OCD for flavor...
Muslim, it's the new black.
Wasn't there another quote from Franklin to the effect that,
"we must all hang together in this business, gentlemen, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately" ?
SHG have stickhorse will travel
Possibly...Franklin was known for being unusually well-hung.
i buy 7th generation toilet paper
He also vigorously, and effectively, defended the NSA intercept program that has come under attack since it was leaked to the New York Times. His argument was crushingly effective. I was heartened to see that Bush noted both the legality of the NSA program and the illegality of the leaks that exposed the program to the terrorists. The next step is to appoint a prosecutor to investigate who leaked this important classified information, and begin criminal proceedings against those responsible.
You know, turnabout it fair play. When we're back in power I suggest we use these precedents to hunt down and lock up all these conservative enemies of freedom.
Actually, I think the laws in
Europe against falsifying history
are a pretty good idea.
Fuck David Irving.
steve simels
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Ummmmmm....no. It then comes down to whose version of history we are talking about it. Better leave the first amendment like it is.
Now we know why he wanted Harriet miers on the Supremes--to save his sorry ass from jail:
"Mr. Bush said that every 45 days the program was reviewed, based on "a fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of catastrophic damage to our homeland." That review involves the attorney general, Alberto R. Gonzales, and Mr. Bush's counsel, Harriet E. Miers, whom Mr. Bush unsuccessfully tried to nominate to the Supreme Court this year."
http://tinyurl.com/auhaq
Hmmm, I'm not familiar with the European laws against "falsifying history", but I'd be interested to hear if GWPDA is, and what she thinks about them.
History laws?
PBBBBBBBSDFSDTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFTTTT!
'Enkew.
A couple of years ago we had the FBI visit some local students who had requested maps of the access tunnels under the University here.
four legs good
At least that tells us that the FBI isn't so busy running down copies of Mao that they don't have time to look into genuinely suspicious behavior.
Isn't assrocket a lawyer?
I guess criminal law isn't his specialty.
We do not have an emperor in this country.
My eyelids are very heavy.
Until Americans realise that we are all subject to illegal wire-tapping and other forms of monitoring, Bush will get a pass.
But in the end, Bush will not get away with this, nor any of his other crimes. It's taking a long time for judgement, but the judgement is coming. Bush's Eumenides are gathering. Justice's wheels have begun to turn slowly, but they are turning. I'm staying sane by working on local stuff where I can make an impact. We will rebuild the national party from within under the leadership of Howard Dean. It's hard to wait, but wait I will. Steadfastly.
Fitz is just a warmup act.
Bush: Done. Ruined. Fucked.
That said, we don't even begin to operate that way anymore.
In fact, we can't use it up fast enough.
I keep wondering when the threshold (liberal's rapture) will arrive. That's when people's children are old enough to realize that their parents' selfishness has/is creating a future sufficiently bleak that the best decision is the kill them now, while they sleep, before they make things any worse.
At least that tells us that the FBI isn't so busy running down copies of Mao that they don't have time to look into genuinely suspicious behavior.
Not so suspicious. Students have been doing it for years here- annoying to the maintenance people but that's about it.
And there's nothing strategic here that could be harmed.
A couple of years ago we had the FBI visit some local students who had requested maps of the access tunnels under the University here.
Apparently they were following the time honored tradition of skulking about the tunnels late at night (or trying to revive it). The feds thought something dastardly was going on.
It was dastardly. We need to rid the planet of these Dungeons and Dragons types and all their Elf Mage Level 17 mumbo jumbo. Wire tap the hell out of em, wrap em in duct tape, give em the Lindey Englund treatment, and then put them in compulsory Sunday School. If they don't reform, well, then hand them a +5 magic staff and feed them to the lions.
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What needs to be said, over and over and over is "would you be comfortable with this much power in Hillary Clinton's hands?"
four legs good
When a party makes structural, permanent changes to the way things work governmentally that would rebound to its detriment were it ever to return to the opposition, it's pretty clear that that party intends never to return to the opposition.
America: She was a helluva country, wasn't she?
Anyhoo, the information the students wanted was in the public domain- they weren't doing anything illegal.
On your knees, Cog: make the face that you want to make when you suck Bush's cock. Prove that you want to gobble that coke-shrunken member more than John Assrocket. You know you want it.
i buy 7th generation toilet paper
you're soooo dead.
And did targeting all those A-rabs help nab the anthrax guy?
stencil
Oh, yeah, I forgot about the anthrax guy. Another story overhyped by a factor of a million and then dropped by the MSM after not being able to charge anybody was making Chimpy look bad. DWD, is this already on your list?
These are people who want their government to spy on them, but giving money to poor black people or their schools is bad because it is or will lead to Stalinism.
Diebold will never let another Democrat win the Presidency.
nothing preventing individual states from throwing the selection of presidential electors back into the state legislature.
personally, I think that'd be a good idea, the average voter these days being so deluded.
simels,
There's a "you" sort of post at the homepage. More PPPDA stuff.
When a party makes structural, permanent changes to the way things work governmentally that would rebound to its detriment were it ever to return to the opposition, it's pretty clear that that party intends never to return to the opposition.
Yep.
Look, it's a pretty basic concept. You protect the rights of EVERYONE because you want to insure that the government can't go overboard.
Cause it just might be you next.
Four Legs Good,
Are you speaking of the tunnels under the University of Illinois? I'm sure most large school's have them although the ones in Champaign/Urbana arethe ones in which I committed various dastardly acts mostly involving beer.
I haven't heard whether Gerald Ford has recovered from his bad cold and been discharged from the hospital.
If he's at least conscious, Gooper operatives will probably try to have him sign a pre-emptive pardon for Dubya.
There's probably an undisclosed provision in the Patriot Act that permits designated ex-presidents to exercise executive clemency.
For the Good of the Nation, of course.
schools not school's
Bush lately is pretty consistently working to undermine the 'If only the Tsar knew!' segment of the right win, isn't he?
Cocky bastard.
I am back, having kicked a first-grader's ass in Clue.
Are you speaking of the tunnels under the University of Illinois? I'm sure most large school's have them although the ones in Champaign/Urbana arethe ones in which I committed various dastardly acts mostly involving beer.
University of Texas.
Yes, the dastardly acts mostly consisted involved beer and pot smoking (EGADS!!!) and just... well, seeing where the tunnels go.
Silly.
The laws against falsifying history
are mainly against holocaust
denial.
That's how the Austrians just
arrested that anti-semite asshole
David Irving.
Now if we could just arrest
Pat Buchanan here.....
Go back to pseudonymous in nc 12.17.05 - 1:06 pm
Click on link to Nixon Articles of Impeachment and read'em. Use parts of it in your communication with your Senators and Representatives, and let them know if those reasons were good enough for bipartisan removal of Dick, they'll do for bipartisan removal of Junior, and their re-election depends on their position. Boy is Congress hiolding a collective finger to the wind RIGHT NOW! 90% of 'em are just stunned.
"Mr. Bush said that every 45 days the program was reviewed, based on "a fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of catastrophic damage to our homeland." That review involves the attorney general, Alberto R. Gonzales, and Mr. Bush's counsel, Harriet E. Miers, whom Mr. Bush unsuccessfully tried to nominate to the Supreme Court this year."
Why the hell is Harriet Myers - the President's counsel - reviewing sensitive national security decisions? She has no statutory authority, does she?
For nearly six decades -- since 1941 -- each President has set up in the White House what Eisenhower counsel Gerald Morgan called the "Just-Us Department": an office on his immediate staff that could give him advice directly -- and independently of the institutional resources of his cabinet. Over at the Justice Department, attorneys general and their associates have been skeptical. "The attorney general views himself as the President's lawyer," was the warning that Truman's attorney general passed on to Edward McCabe, Eisenhower's newly appointed special White House counsel. "They are not equipped to do painstaking legal research over at the White House; they tend to skim the surface," commented one former Justice officer. "In Justice, nobody is overawed by our environment, nor are we subject to the kinds of pressures which abound at the White House. Some of those younger White House lawyers have views of their own which can color their legal judgment." Justice veterans are afraid that Presidents may "shop around" for the legal advice they prefer -- resulting in inconsistencies in the administration's judgments.
The Just-Us Department
NYMary:
Ooh....I'll go look!
hat review involves the attorney general, Alberto R. Gonzales, and Mr. Bush's counsel, Harriet E. Miers, whom Mr. Bush unsuccessfully tried to nominate to the Supreme Court this year."
What, in the lunchroom? Two people who are essentially acolytes and functionnaires are the oversight review committee? Why does this remind me of having the CEO's Admin Assistant always being the one on the Womens Committee for Business Representation?
PBBBBBBBSDFSDTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFTTTT!
'Enkew.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar - 1:29 pm
I'll take that as a ringing anti-endorsement.
So isn't it interesting that little georgie's handlers have decided that an aggressive attack is the way to deal with this clusterfuck.
And now they want to go after the leaker.
And yet he STILL doesn't give a fuck about Rove leaking classified info to reporters.
Sounds about par for the course to me.
His argument was crushingly effective.
Here's a tip, dumbass: the measure of an "argument" isn't its ability to convince those who already agree with you. Chimpy could tell you that the sky was green, and you'd find that argument "crushingly effective" too.
When a party makes structural, permanent changes to the way things work governmentally that would rebound to its detriment were it ever to return to the opposition, it's pretty clear that that party intends never to return to the opposition.
Dingdingdingdingdingdingding! We have winner!
Why the hell is Harriet Myers - the President's counsel - reviewing sensitive national security decisions? She has no statutory authority, does she?
That's not her expertise anyway. Her expertise is in corporate blather and chimpy cock sucking.
The Third Reich in Power
Richard J. Evans
Book Review by Brian Ladd
NY Times December 18, 2005
"Before the war, Evans explains, Germany underwent a brutal and chilling transformation. Behind a facade of legality, the Nazis dismantled the established protections of law. Not satisfied merely to crush a lively, if troubled democracy, they used their police state and the mass media to desolve traditional allegances."
I highly recommend "The Coming of the Third Reich" the first book in Evans' proposed trilogy on Nazi Germany. He is an excellent writer who writes "accessible" prose. As soon as I finish with his first book, I will read his next one, which has just come out.
Bush:drf
Perhaps the movie in which Tom Cruise played an agent in the D.C. Bureau of Future Crime was not a big enough picture for this crew who likes to use the premise of pre-emptive incarceration. If by some grand accident Paul Wolfowitz or Richard Perle was put in a GITMO cage, they would drop this policy of intimidation and jack-boot bullying.
JustUs was the name of the Monkee's revival CD. I have it, it stinks.
So isn't it interesting that little georgie's handlers have decided that an aggressive attack is the way to deal with this clusterfuck.
Um...isn't that the way they handle, I don't know, oh...everything?
Why does this remind me of having the CEO's Admin Assistant always being the one on the Womens Committee for Business Representation?
Ain't that the truth.
Or counting the janitorial staff in your statistics on how inclusive you are in hiring minorites.
I am back, having kicked a first-grader's ass in Clue.
NYMary (SUNY) - 1:35 pm
Sometimes ya just gotta stomp the little buggers.
JustUs was the name of the Monkee's revival CD. I have it, it stinks.
Well, I'm a believer.
.
the tunnels under the University of Illinois? I'm sure most large school's have them
I know we had them in Evanston. Big, impressive-looking steam plant at center of campus, too, next to an identical building housing the Control Data mainframe. I occasionally found an entrance open in the subbasement of the engineering building, but being a well-behaved young man, I never availed myself of the opportunity.
Underground public tunnels at Purdue joining the grad dorms to the management school, the union building, and the library. Not as cool to misbehave in, though.
Much of downtown Nashville, until very recently, was apparently heated by a single garbage incinerator. I never learned the details.
there are "secret" tunnels underneath the campus at UC Irvine too. fun to run through them, but you have to use a bolt cutter to get into them, and the campus cops don't look kindly on students who get caught snaeking into them..
NYMary, you got mail!
I do NOT want to live in Bushworld.
death sqads is next new low it's the only thing they're missing at this point.
I'd like to see Queen Elizabeth II try that in England, and see how fast she gets sent into exile, and has all her castles seized.
So, Kings and Queens cannot do this kind of shit either, at least not in a parliamentary democracy.
I'd like to see Queen Elizabeth II try that in England, and see how fast she gets sent into exile, and has all her castles seized.
So, Kings and Queens cannot do this kind of shit either, at least not in a parliamentary democracy.
Or counting the janitorial staff in your statistics on how inclusive you are in hiring minorites.
four legs good
And then requiring them to pack their own Golden Parachutes...
JustUs was the name of the Monkee's revival CD. I have it, it stinks.
Tim Finnegan
Oh Gawd! I love the Monkees, but a revival CD...? Is Nesmith on it?
death sqads is next new low it's the only thing they're missing at this point.
They're training the death squad in urban warfare tactics even as we speak.
Crap. That's a terrible thought, isn't it?
Look, the problem here, again, is not one of just spying on Americans, as repulsively totalitarian as that is. It's that the administration adopted John Yoo's theory of presidential infallibility.
this was always my problem with the torture policy memo too. isn't it supposed to be three equal branches of government.
jebus, i don't chimpy mcfucknuts making decisions about anything.
infallible bush, now there is an oxmoron.
janitorial staff get lead parachutes.
Is the earth flat, Andrea? Is it?
pseudonymous in nc
Richard "Bobo" Brooks says yes; others say no.
JustUs was the name of the Monkee's revival CD. I have it, it stinks.
Tim Finnegan
Oh Gawd! I love the Monkees, but a revival CD...? Is Nesmith on it?
Buzz Bomb | 12.17.05 - 1:45 pm | #
One of the two worst albums of
the 90s.
The other waa the EP by Dogstar,
Keanu Reeves band.
Stop, stop, they're not 'death squads', they're 'death clubs'.
a Homeland Security database called "Muslims of America" is much smaller than the "Liberals of AMERICA" that DHS is currently building. and as anyone can tell you, "liberals" are America's greatest enemy and deserve to be spied on...
(/reality)
isn't it supposed to be three equal branches of government.
The prevailing philosophy is that of course there are three equal branches of government-- but some branches are more equal than others.
It seems that I've come across this logical argument before...
Happy Holidays from a Fat Man in a Red Suit!
So, Kings and Queens cannot do this kind of shit either, at least not in a parliamentary democracy.
who's on the committee to draft our Magna Carta?
Go back to pseudonymous in nc 12.17.05 - 1:06 pm
Click on link to Nixon Articles of Impeachment and read'em. Use parts of it in your communication with your Senators and Representatives, and let them know if those reasons were good enough for bipartisan removal of Dick, they'll do for bipartisan removal of Junior, and their re-election depends on their position. Boy is Congress hiolding a collective finger to the wind RIGHT NOW! 90% of 'em are just stunned.
Radio Head
WORD!!
Do it. Now.
Send the letter to the local offices since Congress is on another holiday break. Do it by hardcopy rather than email (gets more attention...the delete button is too easy).
Stop, stop, they're not 'death squads', they're 'death clubs'.
And I'm not just the owner, I'm a client!
don't we have Negreponte as the minister
of the interior or something.
death squads coming soon to a quaker near you.
I love the Monkees, but a revival CD...? Is Nesmith on it?
I think he has a couple of numbers... wasn't it really a TV special, which is what got Nesmith interested? I know he ducked out of the tour after the first few dates...
I wonder where Billmon has wandered off too?
Company executives get golden parachutes.
Janitorial staff get golden showers.
Agree with the praise for Berger's LBM. The second book was a big disappointment, seemed just compilation of historical events and figures with little of humor of the first -- about the only disappointment I've had with a Berger read. The account in the first book of LBM's brother's rattlesnake wiskey had me in convulsive laughter for five minutes when I first read it.
I've peppered my speech for years with with words, diction, phrases etc picked up from Berger's Reinhart series.
Let's recap... The repugs are:
Eavesdropping on American citizens
TORTURING American citizens and foreign nationals
lower taxes for the wealthy
higher commodities prices
higher inflation
more corruption in congress
more pre-emptive war
more governmental control over media
more religion in government
governmental control over womens rights
antagonistic foreign policy and diplomacy
government 'sponsored' journalism
Oh, and
"limited government"
yea, they're the 'party to beat' in '06. If dems (or ANY OTHER PARTY) fucks it up in '06, diebold aside, America DESERVES whatever happens to it.
And I'm not just the owner, I'm a client!
And I liked their waterboards so much - I bought the 'company'!
Okay, I must go christmas shopping now.
Ack.
four legs good, I went over there and saw his lincoln post and wondered the same thing.
death sqads is next new low it's the only thing they're missing at this point.
I thought we had that subbed out to Ha-Mossad.
dave - Homer Santy was great.
steve s. - still here?
Jack- I don't think it's fair to put dieblod aside
did I hear the expression "trickle down is the rich pissing on the poor" here, or was it somewhere else?
Sounds pretty Eschatonian to me...
Billy B:
Hey pal, wassup?
DIEBOLD
what a name
not putting it aside, just saying that IN ADDITION to the hurdle presented by diebold.
I don't think they would be in there if it weren't for diebold
did I hear the expression "trickle down is the rich pissing on the poor" here, or
was it somewhere else?
Sounds pretty Eschatonian to me...
SHG have stickhorse will trave | 12.17.05 - 1:55 pm | #
The droll New England folkie
Bill Morrissey observed in the early 80s
that "the whole trickle down
economics thing has been a veritable
golden shower to me."
I'm thinking Bush less of a dictator right now and more of a cornered wild kitty.
steve -
Just got the new Stereo Rev..., errr, Sound and Vision.
Nice job on the Band interview. Real nice.
Parke Puterbaugh needs to come up with a nom de plume...
Oh, and that bunch from Louisville, KY, My Morning Jacket is cool. I likes that.
Nice job on the Band interview. Real nice.
Uhh, I meant REVIEW. Yeah, that's the ticket...
thanks Steve...I wondered where it came from and soooooo true.
As my esposo says often, we have corporate welfare for the rich and free enterprise for the poor.
Bush's admittance that it is himself behind the illegal wiretapping demonstrates the number of people willing to step up and defend him is diminishing.
Hi. We call ours 'death-nudniks'.
Karl Rove has been a big user of database info for years. Frontline did a
great documentary on him that went into detail about his tactics
Billy B:
I thank you.....
That whole redistricting thing was all Karl.
I thank you.....
Have you listened to My Morning Jacket?
Oh, and that bunch from Louisville, KY, My Morning Jacket is cool. I likes that.
Billy, think what you will, just keep it off the record.
.
The other waa the EP by Dogstar,
Keanu Reeves band.
steve simels |
and "Frampton Comes aliveII"
we have corporate welfare for the rich and free
enterprise for the poor.
SHG have stickhorse will trave | 12.17.05 - 2:00 pm | #
Or in the immortal words of
Anatole France, in a capitalist
democracy, rich and poor alike have
the
to freedom to sleep under a bridge
if they so desire.
steve
business question
do oyu know Greil marcus?
Make that Abu Zubaydah. I would not want a typo of the Qaeda leaders name to offend Atrios's core demographic.
Is there even an Al Qaeda anymore. I have not seen Atrios mention them in what, 2-3 years. Oh, I forgot:
"Everyone knows terrorists are bad." - Atrios.
steve
business question
do oyu know Greil marcus?
olexicon, arbitrary carp | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 2:04 pm | #
Alas, no.
Always wanted to meet him but
I've never had the pleasure.
Oh, AssRocket:
resident Bush gave a fantastic speech today, in which he labeled Senate Democrats "irresponsible" for filibustering the Patriot Act. He also vigorously, and effectively, defended the NSA intercept program that has come under attack since it was leaked to the New York Times. His argument was crushingly effective. I was heartened...
Misspelled "hardened" there, buttbomb...
Funny, but I have no trouble at all seing this jackass actually typing with one hand while furiously waxing his already-gleaming weasel with the other. I think there's gonna be a Kippie for wanker of the Year in his Kipmas stocking.
Bush's threats that he's spying on all of us is an example of the rhetoric over-taking the action, which Bush of course, is famous for.
Bush is probably too busy spying on his own people anyway, to make sure their still in line. For example, I'm pretty certain the most spied upon person in America the past few years has been Colin Powell...
why does cog hate the Founding Fathers?
I wonder where Billmon has wandered off too?
four legs good
Commenting at firedoglake, mostly.
Arthur Silber's hung up his keyboard again, unfortunately. A great writer, and a real friend of freedom -- as opposed to a 'libertarian'. (I maintain the quote-less species is extict, or mythical.)
Cog has got to be the dumbest troll posting here. Hands down. Like, in his lap.
Why does he care if the Patriot Act is passed or not? If the infallible King is free to shit on the Constitution whenever he deems it necessary, why would the powers granted in Patriot Act be required by him in the first place?
Billy B:
Haven't heard them yet.
Cog has got to be the dumbest troll posting here. Hands down. Like, in his lap.
kal is giving him a run for his money.
was the Boston Tea Party a terrorist act?
Always wanted to meet him but
I've never had the pleasure.
steve simels
I just read a book by him and thought
"hey does steve simels know him/"
ok, off to do some Saturnalia shopping.
lo, Saturnalia! to one and all.
so the radio address was bush quoting anthrax (the band) and saying "I am the LAw"
Is there even an Al Qaeda anymore. I have not seen Atrios mention them in what, 2-3 years. Cog
Neither has George W. Bush
Well the credit card industry has a data base on 75% of americans with all your purchasing data consolidated in one place so they can asses your risk. If they can do that,then it is just a small step to add the rest of your data..know what i'm sayin'.
Late to the thread (as usual) but..
But most people targeted are never charged with a crime.
Yeah, and most people at Gitmo are never charged with a crime, either.
Can someone in the fucking media please connect the dots between suspension of habeas corpus and domestic spying, for crissakes.
I'm calling my new brekdiancing troupe
"Muslims in America"
Stop, stop, they're not 'death squads', they're 'death clubs'.
Gus Pinochet
First rule of death club: you do not talk about death club.
Can someone in the fucking media please connect the dots between suspension of habeas corpus and domestic spying, for crissakes.
genoasail
but...but...Natalee's still missing!
Osama bin-Who?
Good lord, this is insane.
Did someone say Death Squads?
You like? Our Death-Nudniks™ now feature the Death-by-Air-Strike™ option, at no additional cost (when you purchase the Omertà™ trim package). Enjoy!
so
let's recap
in order to protect americans you msut rip up and piss on the constitition which was written to proetc americans
Killing of the sick, unarmed man in Miami
The Plame Affair
The bogus intelligence for the war
The malfeasance of the SCOTUS
Scalia's hunting trip with Cheney
The Abu Grahib Pictures
The Diebold Conspiracy in Ohio
Katrina Victims
Guitar George playing while people died
The equal intelligence claim by the White House
The lying to Congress by the oil executives
The propaganda war on Americans
Secret bases for torture
Iraqi reconstruction money unaccounted for
Massive Halliburton overbilling in Iraq
Energy company price gouging
My Pet Goat
Where's Osama?
JimmyJeff's White House access
Recess appointment of John Bolton
Fundamentalism at the FDA
Withholding information about the Medicare bill costs
Editing reports to downplay global warming
(Thanks Dr. Wu)
Bush's heroism (Running like a child pissing his pants the entire way on 9/11)
Enron
Abramhoff Scandal (I know this is still simmering, but it is doing it very quietly)
DeLay's criminality
The NE USA operative just convicted for malicious tampering
The cutting of the wires at the call center in Lucas County, OH on election day.
(Thanks K&Y)
Total lack of professionalism, ethics or tact
Viciously going after any who disagree, by litigation (Ken Ford), career destruction (Val Plame) and slander (Paul O'Neill)
The destruction of our own military
Torture
Mass-murder by carelessness, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, on IX/XI and with Katrina
Brutally cynical criminality, as in defending only the oil ministry in the initial rape of Iraq
Brazen assaults on the character of the law
Consistently mendaciously misreporting and misestimating economic, criminal and military stats
Just shy of openly seeking a police state
and Definition by Jack
The repugs are:
Eavesdropping on American citizens
TORTURING American citizens and foreign nationals
lower taxes for the wealthy
higher commodities prices
higher inflation
more corruption in congress
more pre-emptive war
more governmental control over media
more religion in government
governmental control over womens rights
antagonistic foreign policy and diplomacy
government 'sponsored' journalism
Oh, and
"limited government"
cog - Your fuckwitted preznit is the one who said he never even thinks about Osama bin Laden anymore.
Said that over a year ago.
Why should you hold Atrios to a higher standard?
Natalee's still missing!
Who cares, what about the people who are still burning flags!!!
Yeah, and most people at Gitmo are never charged with a crime, either.
The above would be the "Money Quote".
Nice, GS.
Is there even an Al Qaeda anymore. I have not seen Atrios mention them in what, 2-3 years. Cog
Neither has George W. Bush
Not true. He has mentioned them to say that he never mentioned them in connection with Iraq. Then he mentioned them when he announced that we had apprehended a Queen of Diamonds for the fourth time with information gained from Abu Ghraib.
.
now this could be funny. what will tweety and howie fineman do with their repeated references to the 'cowboy' preznit. (since a major point of reference for tweety are hollywood movies, will he be man enough to talk about this one.) confusion reigns:
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/
Hot Monkey Love
by Maureen Dowd
As President Bush tries to shake off his dazed look and regain his swagger, he will no doubt dust off his cowboy routine: his gunslinger pose, his squinty-eyed gaze, his dead-or-alive one-liners, his Crawford brush clearing.
But this time, he may want to think twice before strapping on a Texas-shaped belt buckle. W. might inadvertently conjure up images of Bushback Mountain.
The High Plains, one of the few remaining arenas where men were men, may now evoke something more ambiguous, like men with men. After "Brokeback Mountain," pitching that pup tent on the prairie will never seem the same.
I'm more of a nogoodnik
I just read a book by him and thought
"hey does steve simels know him/"
olexicon, arbitrary carp | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 2:08 pm | #
Which one of his books?
lo, Saturnalia! to one and all.
Felicitationes sine fine ad multos annos back at ya.
Tonight the slaves eat reclining, and are served by their masters.
Just like the White House Correspondents' dinner....
Why should you hold Atrios to a higher standard?
Tena
because
atrios is totally the presidnet of the united states and shit!
Which one of his books?
steve simels
"Ranters and Crowd pleasers"
I'm sure "Muslims in America" is just a ruse like "clear skies" or "no child left behind" and that it is really an enemies list but if they call it "Muslims in America" the fundies say ok well it's not me they are after.
Neither has George W. Bush
Billy B
Which reminds me--do you remember that guy who attacked New York City and Washington a few years back? Osama something or other, I think. Did we ever catch that guy?
Good afternoon, all.
Just got back from HOLIDAY shopping. Ugh.
Yo, Atrios:
You made the Strib's Blog House again.
aaah, the Vicodin and Soma have kicked in. Maybe my back will feel better soon.
Happy Holidays, my lovely moonbats!
Just decorated my tree.
While listening to Coldplay.
My daughter burned me the "X&Y" CD and I checked it out.
I like!
And Add the sad case of the professor in Florida
The Anthrax Scares
The Secret Energy Commission of Cheney
Eight BILLION dollars in cash missing in Iraq
Taking of war souveniers by the President
Soma? You'll feel better shortly.
"muslims in america"
isn;t that song by Kim Wilde?
Osama something or other, I think. Did we ever catch that guy?
Osama Bin Forgotten.
You know,
I have come to the conclusion that the corporate masters always wanted Cheney to be President, but knew he would never get elected as the main man.
So they came up with this elaborate plan to get someone with a ‘name,’ who was a man everyone wanted to have a drink with, but was a bit stupid. It needed to be someone who wanted to play at being President. Someone who likes to dress up and strut, but would allow Cheney a free hand to run the country.
They even thought up this elaborate hoax that made it look as if Bush would choose Cheney, rather than Cheney’s masters choosing Bush. This is Darth Vader’s Presidency, and that is why it is so evil.
cog - Your fuckwitted preznit is the one who said he never even thinks about Osama bin Laden anymore.
Oh, please.
Is THAT asshole here?
He should ask Santa for a new brain...or a deprogramming course.
I also note in passing that Cog becomes even more of a WATB than usual when Atrios doesn't cover the Official GOP Story of the Day. Yesterday we were supposed to talk about the elections, and now we're apparently supposed to talk about Al Qaeda. I'm afraid since bloggers aren't obligated to do what the White House tells them to do, Cog may never find satisfaction here. Fortunately for him, there's still Fox News.
While listening to Coldplay.
My daughter burned me the "X&Y" CD and I checked it out.
I like!
I agree. The tune that starts "O Brother.... " is my favorite.
Why am I commenting at the end of a thread?
Enough said. The slippery slope has gotten steeper lately. Our only hope is catastrophe.... um, no, Katrina already came and went.
The money. Yes, the money has to crash before we get rid of this cabal.
they didn't catch OSB or the anthrax person so this war on terror is not going so good
because
atrios is totally the presidnet of the united states and shit!
olexicon
Like, I totally wish he was - it would be awesome.
Muslims in America -- TODAY!
We Atriots talk about what WE wish to talk about.
Not the trools.
Why don't they stay where they belong...LGF, Free Republic, etc.?
Steve, I too enjoyed your review of The Band's boxed set.
I'm hoping someone gives it to me for The Holiday Which Shall Remain Nameless, although it's a long shot.
If I don't get it then, it'll be a New Year's present to myself!
I've been hoping for years that the fragmentary live footage of The Band (pre-"Last Waltz") would become available, especially the SNL performance. Woo-hoo!
Muslims in America -- TODAY!
Thers
Hey, so long as they don't bother me and mine, live and let live!
Like, I totally wish he was - it would be awesome.
Tena
thank you for compelting it in "balley Girl" or "square pegs" tlak
Why don't they stay where they belong...LGF, Free Republic, etc.?
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Don't forget the New York Times and the Washington Post!
Natalee's still missing!
Who cares, what about the people who are still burning flags!!!
Natalee was burning a flag when she was attacked by a SHARK!
Which reminds me--do you remember that guy who attacked New York City and Washington a few years back?
He's not on that list because he's not in America. Silly rabbit!
Trolls must come out at night to feed. 'Twas ever thus.
Why don't they stay where they belong...LGF, Free Republic, etc.?
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
if they want to get some muslim hating and democrat bashing on
Good afternoon.
I see Dear Leader is going to give us another Inspiring Speech tomorrow night on Eye-Rack and what a great success it's been.
I think it's a win-win; he's sure to say something blindingly stupid, and I have an excuse to watch some of those shows I've Tivoed recently.
I just read an Time article about the movie Munich in which Israel's response to the kidnapping and killing of Israeli athletes was discussed. When the revenge killings took place, members of the PLO who were never proven to have been linked to the planning or execution were singled out and assassinated.
"The idea was not just to punish the perpetrators of Munich but also to disrupt and deter future terrorist acts. For the second goal, one dead PLO operative was as good as another."
At the time Golda Meir said, "Every civilization finds it necessary to negotiate compromises with its own values."
Well, we all see how well that worked out for Israel, don't we. And yet here we are, doing the same thing.
And this is, of course, pretty much the rationale used by the Bush crowd regarding Muslims. All are guilty of 9/11 simply because they're Muslims - *they may not be terrorists now, but they might be someday, so let's kill them before that happens* philosophy.
In reality, we haven't caught the perpetrators of 9/11 or convicted any one for terrorist acts, we haven't lessened the threat of terrorism, and people aren't afraid of us, nor will they be deterred by our actions.
And that's the bottom line.
While listening to Coldplay.
My daughter burned me the "X&Y" CD and I checked it out.
I like!
I agree. The tune that starts "O Brother.... " is my favorite.
Billy B
Coldplay is on "Austin City Limits" tomorrow night. I'm definitely going to catch that!
Little Brother:
Treat yourself.
You deserve it.
Here's my letter to my senators Durbin and Obama.
Dear Senator,
Please fight the Bush administration's violations of our civil liberties.
The revelation of the NSA's spying on citizens without warrants is shocking. The president's authorizing this criminal act is even more shocking. The president's vigorous defense of his authorizing criminal acts is beyond shocking.
The president swore in his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution. You did too. I'm a deputy registrar in Cook County, and I did too. He's violating his oath. Let's not let him do that.
With every good wish,
Who cares, what about the people who are still burning flags!!!
Hillary's apparently working on that. Her olive branch to Bush: I'll get rid of the First Amendment if you'll get rid of the rest.
Natalee was burning a flag when she was attacked by a SHARK!
Thers |
the SHARK's goal was to destroy christmas and the instituion of marriage
Cog has got to be the dumbest troll posting here. Hands down. Like, in his lap.
I'm having a hard time understanding why he keeps saying that "Atrios says everyone knows terrorists are bad" thing like it's some kind of world-class clever slam on Atrios.
nice one pie!
Face it. The president did more than offer excuses this time.....he threw down the gauntlet. So now what?
I'm having a hard time understanding why he keeps saying that "Atrios says everyone knows terrorists are bad" thing like it's some kind of world-class clever slam on Atrios.
bcf
-------------
LOL! A little too "nuanced" for you, eh?
Which reminds me--do you remember that guy who attacked New York City and Washington a few years back?
You mean with planes? Come on, that's so August 2001.
DON'T FEED THE TROLL
LOL! A little too "nuanced" for you, eh?
Freepitus
"nuanced" is a good thing you sookie baby
I'm having a hard time understanding why he keeps saying that "Atrios says everyone knows terrorists are bad" thing like it's some kind of world-class clever slam on Atrios.
At a certain point, Atrios apparently wasn't anti-terrorist enough, and Cog badgered him into saying "of course terrorists are bad."
Think of Dick Cheney's argumentative style, and you've pretty much got Cog. Only dumber.
sicne he coul wiretap foreign calls
do you think that George Soros was on the list?
I agree. The tune that starts "O Brother.... " is my favorite.
Billy B
It's called "Talk."
Looks like these days, all of us are "Muslims of America".
Think of Dick Cheney's argumentative style, and you've pretty much got Cog. Only dumber.
NYMary
Cog is acyually tom delay
LOL! A little too "nuanced" for you, eh?
Freepitus
Caution:
WATB learns NEW word.
I'm afraid since bloggers aren't obligated to do what the White House tells them to do, Cog may never find satisfaction here. Fortunately for him, there's still Fox News.
Cog only finds satisfaction in his fantasy of sucking off his preznit. He still hasn't shared with us whether he prefers to swallow or take it on the face.
But terrorists are bad, m'kay?
LOL! A little too "nuanced" for you, eh?
Freepitus
Now that's scary. A whole universe where Cog is the smartest guy there.
Face it. The president did more than offer excuses this time.....he threw down the gauntlet. So now what?
Volos
It looks like we're going to have to appoint a special prosecutor, so Bush can fire him, and we proceed to impeachment. Or get someone to blow him in that room. Stare Decisis
he threw down the gauntlet. So now what?
watch Jonah Goldberg calmly eat his boogers.
Hey bats.
Is anyone watching the Bucs - Pats game?
Are the announcers showing bias for the Patriots or what???
Pathetic!
Got the mail, dave. Thatnks!
But terrorists are bad, m'kay?
pseudonymous in nc
actuallt the republicans think demorats are worse
watch Jonah Goldberg calmly eat his boogers.
seen it.
Interesting parallel, Pie--but I think there's a big difference between Israel and the United States. In the early 1970s, Arab states really were trying to destroy Israel. And every Israeli really was in danger of being killed by a terrorist. Even if their response to the problem was bad, at least it was a real problem.
It's called "Talk."
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Yeah. What a cool guitar riff. I like the axe player in the band. Tasty.
NYMary:
The Nick Lowe interview is
very cool.
Now if you could just find
the one from Melody Maker from
the same period when he and
Dave Edmunds went tag team.
Screamingly funny, IIRC.
"muslims in america"
isn;t that song by Kim Wilde?
"Muslims of America"--and it was by Jefferson Airplane.
Get your rock history straight!
actuallt the republicans think demorats are worse
olexicon, arbitrary carp
Well, FUCK the Repugnicans...and their preznit.
Laura Rozen has a good quote from Dianne Feinstein:
What is concerning me, as a member of the Intelligence Committee, is if eight people, rather than 535 people, can know there is going to be an illegal act and they were told this under an intelligence umbrella — and therefore, their lips are sealed — does that make the act any less culpable? I don't think so.
'Beware of the Leopard' stuff.
This would only work if EVERYONE did it, but refusing to pay the credit card companies would crash the economy.
Now if you could just find
the one from Melody Maker from
the same period when he and
Dave Edmunds went tag team.
A challenge!
I must have the only blog in the world where I get more comments on the archives than on the current posts. like to think it's because it's timeless.
Make that Abu Zubaydah. I would not want a typo of the Qaeda leaders name to offend Atrios's core demographic.
Is there even an Al Qaeda anymore.
But a typo in punctuation is just fine.
"Is there even an Al Qaeda anymore?"
BTW, since I have your attention, Cog, let me take this opportunity to say that our middle class, middle America family finds you quelle amusing, and the star of a sort of cautionary tale. The meme would be something along the lines of:
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Cogboys.
Hey Vicki--how're things?
Or get someone to blow him in that room.
Cog, it's time for your closeup.
watch Jonah Goldberg calmly eat his boogers.
chica toxica
I understand Jonah entertains himself for hours on end by sticking his finger up his butt and smelling it.
"Muslims of America"--and it was by Jefferson Airplane.
Get your rock history straight!
Halfdan
curses!
I'm shocked by this story on Leader Frisk:
http://tinyurl.com/ckpgk
Steve, I too enjoyed your review of The Band's boxed set.
I'm hoping someone gives it to me for The Holiday Which Shall Remain Nameless, although it's a long shot.
If I don't get it then, it'll be a New Year's present to myself!
I've been hoping for years that the fragmentary live footage of The Band (pre-"Last Waltz") would become available, especially the SNL performance. Woo-hoo!
Little Brøther
Check them out in Festival Express.
Jammin with Joplin/Garcia and Buddy Guy.
I understand Jonah entertains himself for hours on end by sticking his finger up his butt and smelling it.
Half baked bread? Ah, that yeasty aroma!
It looks like we're going to have to appoint a special prosecutor, so Bush can fire him, and we proceed to impeachment. Or get someone to blow him in that room. Stare Decisis
Leon Jaworski | Email | 12.17.05 - 2:29 pm | #
If you read carefully, you'll notice a change in left-of-center writing. In the early days of the Bush Administration, hopes that impeachment charges against Bush were sort of whimsical -- "someday, we'll find a smoking gun, say, a photograph of Bush burning ballots in Florida, or having sex with a dead child."
Now, the talk of impeachment is getting more serious. It was only a matter of time before, in an act of sheer desperation, Bush would overstep his boundaries far more than even the mainstream could allow. The grounds for impeachment become more concrete as time passes. Don't be surprised if Bush faces impeachment charges in 2006 or 2007.
Face it. The president did more than offer excuses this time.....he threw down the gauntlet. So now what?
Volos
Now we get to enjoy a few weeks of the GOP clarifying why the rule of law was a good thing when they used it to impeach Clinton for getting a blow job, but a bad thing now that Chimpy finds it inconvenient.
The best part is that normally when a crook gets caught, he says he's sorry (or at least sorry he got caught). Chimpy is saying that he knowingly and deliberately broke the law, and that he plans to continue doing so. He's not making it any easier on his enablers in Congress.
Wow--I started this thread, got the baby up from a nap, told her mom how nice her haircut was, took a hundred shots for the to-be-belated Yule Card and downloaded them, took a shower, put up two shelves in the baby's room, and drove across town to come into work. And it's still going....
The Nick Lowe interview is
very cool.
When Lowe was first seeing Carlene Carter, he said that one morning the two of them were sitting around hung over when Johnny came in and said, "Hello, son, my name is Johnny Cash."
Which reminds me--do you remember that guy who attacked New York City and Washington a few years back?
Give the Republicans another twenty years, and every high school history book in the handful of remaining public schools will have Clinton's dick crashing into the North Tower....
At a certain point, Atrios apparently wasn't anti-terrorist enough, and Cog badgered him into saying "of course terrorists are bad."
Thanks Mary. The part I still don't get is why he keeps saying it over and over again. You'd think anyone even a half-assed troll could come up with a different point to make now and then.
I've always been appalled by those who rationalize acts of injustice by claiming that the blatant injustice is offset or vindicated by some supposed greater good.
Once I was hanging out with a friend and his family, and I got to reminiscing about nuns in parochial school administering discipline in a careless and capricious manner.
I knew my friend's mom was a devout Catholic, but I didn't realize that she was exceptionally uptight about brutal nun stories because she was planning to transfer one of her daughters to a parochial high school-- apparently not a popular decision.
At one point, she interrupted tartly and said, "Oh, and I suppose you never did anything to deserve it!"-- "it" meaning misdirected discipline.
I was too polite to tear her a new one, but I was annoyed that an otherwise pleasant and open-minded woman would have that attitude.
My father and his siblings grew up poor in the 1920s, and in their later years were also fond of rationalizing similar indiscretions. They really felt that being knocked around by nuns, even when they hadn't done anything to deserve it, was somehow beneficial.
It seems like a variation of the Stockholm Syndrome to me.
I'm shocked by this story on Leader Frisk:
Another Repug scandal?
oh how shocking.
Wonder who those 18 donors were, BTW.
Now, the talk of impeachment is getting more serious. It was only a matter of time before, in an act of sheer desperation, Bush would overstep his boundaries far more than even the mainstream could allow. The grounds for impeachment become more concrete as time passes. Don't be surprised if Bush faces impeachment charges in 2006 or 2007.
Black Adam
Only if he threatens the elections of other Republicans.
Does anyone think if Democrats had the majority after 2006 that they would impeach Bush?
Only way would if he went batshit on tv and beat the hell out of Helen Thomas.
Even then Hillary and Joementum would question if impeachment was the right action to take.
I must have the only blog in the world where I get more comments on the archives than on the current posts. like to think it's because it's timeless.
NYMary
I love that! Congrats!
Halfdan, just sitting here with Jen, High Priestess of Selune, aka Nim's lambchop of liberty, who is currently blowing the penis bong.
Never buy a bong in a dark head shop. You don't realize what you're getting until you get home and expose it to light.
Just sayin'.
Caution:
WATB learns NEW word.
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
He's using that "verbal advantage" course that Rush shills for.
The part I still don't get is why he keeps saying it over and over again. You'd think anyone even a half-assed troll could come up with a different point to make now and then.
None of can explain that, I'm afraid.
LOL! A little too "nuanced" for you, eh?
Freepitus
Now that's scary. A whole universe where Cog is the smartest guy there.
bcf
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Sounds like Eschaton. LOL!
He's using that "verbal advantage" course that Rush shills for.
Dr. Wu
take oxycontin and read the dictionary all night?
Halfdan,
You're making me feel spectacularly unproductive.
When Lowe was first seeing Carlene Carter, he said that one morning the two of
them were sitting around hung over when Johnny came in and said, "Hello, son,
my name is Johnny Cash."
Billy B | Email | 12.17.05 - 2:36 pm | #
That's one of my all-time favorites
stories.
Nick and Carlene were at that
point, how you say, a real fun
couple.
Jeesus, can you imagine boffing his
daughter and having the old man
show up unannounced?
Wow!!!!!
freepitus is clearly just another LOL freak
The two idiot trolls from last night are on the thread below.
These people are nuts.
Only if he threatens the elections of other Republicans.
Ah, but already Bush is becoming anathema. Santorum said, "I don't need you "helping" me, Mr. President." And when Bush showed up to help in the Virgina governor's race, some pollsters claim that Bush's arrival insured his candidates loss in a close race.
Give the Republicans another twenty years, and every high school history book in the handful of remaining public schools will have Clinton's dick crashing into the North Tower....
Davis X. Machina
Mecha-Clenis!
My father and his siblings grew up poor in the 1920s, and in their later years were also fond of rationalizing similar indiscretions. They really felt that being knocked around by nuns, even when they hadn't done anything to deserve it, was somehow beneficial.
It seems like a variation of the Stockholm Syndrome to me.
Little Brøther
Not really.
Google up a zen story on Grandmotherly Kindness.
Basically the harder you have it the more you learn.
I still fondly the worst hardest job I ever had, demolition for salvage.
Hard dangerous work in the rain and snow. A real asshole as boss.
But it taught me how to work and developed skills I never knew I had.
Which reminds me--do you remember that guy who attacked New York City and Washington a few years back?
I just don't spend that much time on it, to be honest.
It looks like we're going to have to appoint a special prosecutor, so Bush can fire him, and we proceed to impeachment.
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Fire him? This administration would be more likely to arrest him.
Santorum said, "I don't need you "helping" me, Mr. President."
"I can hold the dog down by myself."
Even if their response to the problem was bad, at least it was a real problem.
Halfdan, I didn't bring it up so much as a comparison as much as wanting to make the point that what Israel did in the name of self-preservation didn't make them safer. Each future act by one group had a definite and deadly reaction. And so it goes.
Further some people in this country may take exception to what you say. They seem to really believe that our very existence is threatened by the brown-skinned boogiemen. So I'm not sure any comparison is too far off the mark.
Freepitus IS Cog.
You know how these trolls are.
No one here agrees with them so they have to invent someone who does.
Only if he threatens the elections of other Republicans.
Ah, but already Bush is becoming anathema. Santorum said, "I don't need you "helping" me, Mr. President." And when Bush showed up to help in the Virgina governor's race, some pollsters claim that Bush's arrival insured his candidates loss in a close race.
Black Adam
But they still have the rapidly receeding Diebold in their corner.
Give the Republicans another twenty years, and every high school history book in the handful of remaining public schools will have Clinton's dick crashing into the North Tower....
Davis X. Machina
There won't be any high schools.
The kids will be carted off into the military when they're fourteen.
Mecha-Clenis!
Dr. Wu
never underestimate the power of the CLENIS!
NYMary: I have the complete Bleak House on DVD (in DivX format). You want?
Cog is an ass.
Just sayin'.
OK, Shinobi. Something to think about.
Anyone watching CNN?
Didn't the California Republicans politely ask Bush to stay away before their most recent special election? He refused, showed up and did a fundraiser at the Ronald Reagan Library or something.
Then all Arnold's plans went down in flames.
Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.
Now, the talk of impeachment is getting more serious.
Is it really? That's encouraging. But also watch out for Wickedly Clever GOP Trick #7: "If you're caught red-handed, admit openly what you've done but claim that it doesn't matter."
This trick has worked well for Bush because it keeps people talking on the abstracts of right and wrong and not about what's actually occurred.
But they still have the rapidly receeding Diebold in their corner.
Very true. But here's my theory.
Diebold hurt the president more than it helped him. He LOST both elections, and only ballot counting trickery helped him win them.
Which means that the only "mandate" Bush ever had was that of a fixed ballot-count. The majority of Americans is not only against Bush, but has been against him since 2000. And it's only now that people are waking up to how unpopular Bush really is.
The kids will be carted off into the military when they're fourteen.
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Not all of them, surely. We'll still need people to unload the containers from China and drive them to Wal-Mart.
"They really felt that being knocked around by nuns, even when they hadn't done anything to deserve it, was somehow beneficial."
Pat Buchanan AND G. Gordon Liddy.
Honest to God.
They had those whackjob parents who told them "If you come home and tell me the nun hit you, I'LL beat the shit out of you!"
Must be a generational thing.
Jeesus, can you imagine boffing his
daughter and having the old man
show up unannounced?
Wow!!!!!
When I read the story back when, I had the same thought. If it hadda been me, I would have probably climbed out the bedroom window...
It's always a "brown skinned" thret but this week they found that white skin is a genetic mutaion. The Mutants are running the world!
The kids will be carted off into the military when they're fourteen.
Terry C, Sublime Bush Hater
Not all of them, surely. We'll still need people to unload the containers from China and drive them to Wal-Mart.
Dr. Wu
Yep.
The Repugs want people kept as uneducated as possible.
Except their own "class", that is.
NYMary: I have the complete Bleak House on DVD (in DivX format). You want?
pseudonymous in nc
My mouth is agape here. I'd love that! (I should be able to play DivX on the computer, no? It looks like I can download software for it easily enough.) Drop me a line & I'll send you an addy.
pie--not disagreeing with you. It was just an interesting comparison and I was trying to tease it out some more. But you're right.
NYMary
You're making me feel spectacularly unproductive.
Yeah, but now that I came into work, what am I doing?
Someone, who shall remain nameless, just asked me if I thought the CIA and the NSA are monitoring Eschaton.
I said, "Of course not. They'd never do that."
/sarcasm
But they still have the rapidly receeding Diebold in their corner.
"Corruption is why we win!"
- from "Syriana"
It's the Repug party slogan
When I read the story back when, I had the same thought. If it hadda been me, I would have probably climbed out the bedroom window...
Yeah, but read the interview. Nick is beyond cool. (Which isn't to say that you're not, natch....)
DVD (in DivX format). You want?
pseudonymous in nc | Email | 12.17.05 - 2:42 pm | #
DivX?
Wow...and people make fun of me
for still having dial-up.
Not all of them, surely. We'll still need people to unload the containers from China and drive them to Wal-Mart.
And young wombs to produce an endless supply of soldiers.
Someone, who shall remain nameless, just asked me if I thought the CIA and the NSA are monitoring Eschaton.
I said, "Of course not. They'd never do that."
/sarcasm
Vicki Steingold, NMU, '82
Well, just in case they are:
"Hi, assholes! Find Osama yet?"
Extends middle finger.
An owl prefers an automatic transmission
Yeah, but steve, that Bleak House won't be on American TV for at least a year. And having been messing around at my job figuring out how hard it is to transfer American movies to European standards, low-tech is probably better.
Here's some advice, Bats. Stay out of the grocery store today. It took me an hour to buy just a few things.
It was just an interesting comparison and I was trying to tease it out some more.
Well, I was being careful, because one needs to tiptoe delicately through the minefield when any discussing the whole ME situation.
It will be interesting to see what sort of debate the movie engenders.
Halfdan, just sitting here with Jen, High Priestess of Selune, aka Nim's lambchop of liberty, who is currently blowing the penis bong.
Still???? I'm impressed. And is Nim there in person? Even more impressed.
This trick has worked well for Bush because it keeps people talking on the abstracts of right and wrong and not about what's actually occurred.
Halfdan
Yeah, but Bush's wacky antics in the past never rose to the level of acknowledging a felony. It didn't matter that Clinton was getting his dick sucked, either, but once the Starr Chamber was able to back him into a corner and get him to break the law, the "it didn't matter" excuse wouldn't wash.
As organized as the GOP may be, it's still not going to be tenable for elected goopers in Congress (most of whom made dozens of well-documented comments about how important it was that the president obey the law, thanks to Fellatiogate) to defend a blatant criminal act by this President.
Diebold hurt the president more than it helped him. He LOST both elections, and only ballot counting trickery helped him win them.
Which means that the only "mandate" Bush ever had was that of a fixed ballot-count. The majority of Americans is not only against Bush, but has been against him since 2000. And it's only now that people are waking up to how unpopular Bush really is.
Black Adam
Here is the kicker the Dems knew.
If Diebold hadn't recently started imploding nothing would have been done about them and they would continue to fix elections.
So why haven't the Dems (except for a few tagged as wacko) acted or even brought it up?
My opinion is Kerry benefited from a Deibold scenario. Remember those votes that were counted at a centralized area outside of Iowa(? I think it was ).
That could be one of the reasons Kerry never put up a fight.
Little Brother - Abusive nuns - It sounds like the rose-colored glasses of time.
When you reach a certain point, everything from your childhood looks good - even the bad stuff.
Billy B:
I was actually at the show where
Carlene Carter made the joke
about putting the cunt back in
country, with Johnny and June
in the audience.
One of my top ten concert moments.
This is a long thread
I thought the Dave Edmonds/Nick Lowe pairing was great (was it, steve?, it is so long since I've heard anything, I can't remember?)
If only the MSM would get up off their knees & do their jobs just a little bit, the chances of impeachment would skyrocket (IMHO)
This is a long thread
I thought the Dave Edmonds/Nick Lowe pairing wa