I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Part One of our award-winning* series observing the sad decline of some Americans' ability to critically think on even a third grade level:
Myth America
*no actual awards given out as of yet
"How are people going to have faith in America and its system of laws if you keep reporting that we laugh at law in the White House?
There oughta be a law against you!!"
/end sarcasm
Peace on earth, goodwill toward all.
And yes, most of those dumbassified 'murkins could be model conservatarians. They do not mind the Finger Of Freedom™ tickling their prostate, though they naturally prefer it be everybody else's.
BLOWJOBS on Mars bitches while wearing a blue dress.
MYOB'
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Yeah, but Tiki Barber just broke 4 tackles.
Surely that must count for something.
okay, maybe not.
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Bastards
I love how they're concerned by the fact this is being leaked, not about the fucking illegality of the act itself.
The law is what they say it is, not unlike, say, Uzbekistan. Can't wait for the murals of Great Uncle to start cropping up in the vaunted heartland.
Tiki Barber? But today is Saturday?
from below:
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Hecate Malificent | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:25 pm | #
no kidding. which just goes to show, it wasn't intelligence failure so much as redirection. when it's something they actually are interested in learning, no problem.
they just weren't very curious on the iraq issue, having already made up their tiny fascist little minds.
Bingo.
OKay, off to the laundromat. Bye bats!
(but who gives a shit if karl rove reveeaded a cia agents indentiry)
Why shouldn't conservatives be concerned about this? This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Yeah, but so did everyone else.
This is now the anti-wingnut card.
If anyone says, "The President would never do the things you're accusing him of", just say, "Then why did he admit to illegal wiretaps on American citizens? A person who would do something like that would probably do anything. Steal elections. Torture. And God knows what else."
Reindeer Blogging again! 
They see every message Howard Dean gets on his blackberry. They know who Kerry talks to on his cell phone. They have been snooping on the Dems since well before 9/11 .
This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
shoelimpy™
"the bets of his ability" does not include the geneva conventions or the fourth amendment
I love how they're concerned by the fact this is being leaked, not about the fucking illegality of the act itself.
Exactly. And they did the same damn thing with the secret European gulag thing - got more pissed off at the people who revealed it than at what Bush was allowing to be done.
Really points up their sense of "morality".
This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
ok, how badly does he need to fail or how egregiously does he need to break the law before it would be wrong to rally around him?
can he shoot suspected terrorists point blank on the subway? if the guy just "looks funny"?
c'mon - what's the breaking point?
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Yes, and they still had to steal the election in order to "win".
"rally around the presidenT"
why cause he pissed on the rights of americnas?
War On Terror, War On Xmas, hatred of Dear Leader. Jeebus, Santa, Great Uncle. It all just blurs together after repeated screaming from O'Falafel and his minions.
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Goddamned Conservative conspiracy to stifle free speech!
This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
If he has to destroy the Constitution and mock the laws of the American people to do it, then the war ain't worth winning.
The only thing different about such a tyranny, as opposed to the tyranny of the terrorists, is that our tyranny would wear red, white and blue and keep its lawns mowed.
Tiki Barber? But today is Saturday?
See? War on Saturn'sday. People refusing to acknowledge my religion. I feel persecuted.
"We are very concerned by the fact that people are exposing illegal acts by the government to the press."
Does this imply it should be a crime to report a crime?
Really points up their sense of "morality".
Pere Ubu
and the levels of Bush worship that exist
""the bets of his ability" does not include the geneva conventions or the fourth amendment"
Yes it does, however if these things get in the way of the greater common good, then as has always happened in history they must be put aside in order to defeat the crisis.
TKK,
Channel 2.
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Yes, and they still had to steal the election in order to "win".
Jonny Quest
That and Ole yeller Kerry rolled over and played dead.
Promises promises.
Don't like leaks? Can you say Plame?
(now take off, etc. etc.)
Hecate,
I acknowledge your religion on this special Saturn's Day. I even went into a wiccan store in your honor today.
I needed some sage to smudge my Tarot deck.
Yes it does, however if these things get in the way of the greater common good, then as has always happened in history they must be put aside in order to defeat the crisis.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:30 pm | #
We aren't destroying the Constitution. We're keeping it in this box for safekeeping.
We'll bring it out later. You can trust us.
The question that needs to be asked: Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
"rally around the presidenT"
rally around THIS, pink boy!
(grabs crotch)
Remember when the thugs were caught breaking into the Dem's computers a while back? What ever happened there?
"If he has to destroy the Constitution and mock the laws of the American people to do it, then the war ain't worth winning.
The only thing different about such a tyranny, as opposed to the tyranny of the terrorists, is that our tyranny would wear red, white and blue and keep its lawns mowed."
He's not destroying the Constitution. The Constitution is still intact, strong as ever, thank you very much. I think you give our Founding Fathers too little credit to believe that their Constitution could be destroyed by any single man.
The Constitution will be destroyed if we allow the terrorists to win.
They see every message Howard Dean gets on his blackberry. They know who Kerry talks to on his cell phone. They have been snooping on the Dems since well before 9/11 .
So they are like Jeebus and Santy Claus. Hmmm....but what's the upside in spying on sheer incompetence? "Yep, they're still a bunch of uncoordinated fuck-ups." I mean, you don't exactly need a lot of high-tech gadgets to see that the Dems don't remotely have their shit together (though Feingold was masterful in filibustering the Patriot Act. More of that, por favor.).
Yes it does, however if these things get in the way of the greater common good, then as has always happened in history they must be put aside in order to defeat the crisis.
shoelimpy™
so the war on terror never ends
so americans lose roghts and tcna torture people at will indefinetley
if this is true
are you proud to be an american?
the president does this because he loves you, each and every one of you.
ken mehlman
The Constitution will be destroyed if we allow the terrorists to win.
shoelimpy™
the Constitution is being destroyed because Bush won
""the bets of his ability" does not include the geneva conventions or the fourth amendment"
Yes it does, however if these things get in the way of the greater common good, then as has always happened in history they must be put aside in order to defeat the crisis.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:30 pm | #
no, it doesn't you cowardly little pussy.
real americans would be ashamed to run scared from the constitution over a little threat. what the fuck are you protecting, anyway? your own puny little life?
"give me liberty or give me death" means nothing to sniveling facsist cowards, i guess.
Remember when the thugs were caught breaking into the Dem's computers a while back? What ever happened there?
Jonny Quest
Good question. Absolutely nothing, except that Hannity, as I recall, was trying to blame it on the outrageous actions of the Dems going against the president.
es it does, however if these things get in the way of the greater common good, then as has always happened in history they must be put aside in order to defeat the crisis.
shoelimpy™
You know how many of these
Dec 16 1950
To fight "world conquest by communist imperialism" in Korea, President Truman declares a state of National Emergency. The order is still in effect, one of four current states of national emergency granting extraordinary powers. We must be fools.
Are still in effect?
I bet Bushco counts on them.
We aren't destroying the Constitution. We're keeping it in this box for safekeeping.
More like "we ran out of toilet paper".
The question that needs to be asked: Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:32 pm | #
If the conservatards ever found themselves in such trouble, they'd turn so liberal that it would make Michael Moore look like Mussolini.
america: bringing freedom round the world while supprsessing it's own people
the conserivtards are the type who would hand in their grandmother to the gestapo because they love their 'dear leader' so much.
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Hecate Malificent
Well, that certainly explains how they were able to release the SB video on the Monday after the Democratic convention and the book on the Wednesday after.
(H-did I use the correct terminology for the days of week, I really don't want to offend thee.)
The Constitution will be destroyed if we allow the terrorists to win.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:32 pm | #
We had to destroy the Constitution in order to save it.
"give me liberty or give me death" means nothing to sniveling facsist cowards, i guess.
Exactly. I have no idea what American value they're supposed to be protecting at this point -- their freedom to shop relatively unmolested and drive a fleet of gas-guzzlers, I guess.
Freeedomocracy™ -- smell the anal vapors!
couldn't get back into the long thread, put a half a ham & made scalloped taters w/ extra onion & cheese in the oven. swilling non'elitist wine spritzers (burgundy = pinot noir, same grape).
he was down, go chiefs.
impeach the chimp.
Bush isn't breaking the law; he's allowing the agents of the NSA to practice their love on the American public.
We are very concerned by the fact that people are exposing illegal acts by the government to the press.
Sure they are. Because they fucking know that the names on that list are not arabic sounding. Let's face it, most Americans wouldn't get too terribly worked up if all Shrub was spying on were Muslims.
They're shitscared because they know damn well that list contains democratic politicians, independent journalists, and other liberal voices.
So they're very, very concerned its existence was leaked.
They see every message Howard Dean gets on his blackberry. They know who Kerry talks to on his cell phone. They have been snooping on the Dems since well before 9/11 .
I like it. Prove to me that you're not reading my email.
Can you imagine the gaggle?:
Q: "Scotty, is the President reading my email?"
A: "I already answered that question."
Q: "No you didn't."
A: "Yes I did."
shoelimpy,
You don't seem to understand "who" the terrorist really are.
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Yes, and they still had to steal the election in order to "win".
Jonny Quest
That and Ole yeller Kerry rolled over and played dead.
Promises promises.
Wonder what they used to blackmail him.
Who were they spying on? Kerry? Tom Daschle? Every democrat involved in a close House or Senate race? Governors?
Heck, anybody involved in an effort to defeat Republicans could be considered a "terrorist" by these bastards.
Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
They're firmly convinced that as long as they keep loyal to the Party, their sweet lil' asses will be safe.
Now, what are they going to be saying if we get in a Democratic President like Clinton who has these same powers...?
Bush isn't breaking the law; he's allowing the agents of the NSA to practice their love on the American public.
watertiger
and avoiding activist judges and trial lawyers
I am always proud to be an American. I trust George W. Bush, he is a good and honest man. This is part of the purpose of electing moral people into the Executive Office, you know that you can trust them. We couldn't trust Clinton.
Wonder what they used to blackmail him.
Hecate Malificent
live boy or dead girl
or possibly a fish like troy mcclure
oh god,
the jeebofascists are still about?
the conservatards are scared i think. i'm pretty sure they are aware bush crossed a line.
moreover bush is scared, why else interupt his nice guy act to come out and play strongman today.
The Constitution will be destroyed if we allow the terrorists to win.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:32 pm | #
i am not afraid of the terrorists. not one little bit. screw them! they are only terrorists if we are terrified.
the constitution is destroyed if it is ignored. and for that matter, fuck the constitution. how about the bill of rights?
without freedom there is no america. just a giant fucking wal-mart for our chinese overlords to sell through.
the Bush Junta have a wacky idea about what 'freedom' means.
freedom to spy on you
freedom to lock you up without even telling you what your charged with
freedom to ignored domestic and international law
Shorter liberal blogosphere:
-- 'Releasing' publicly available information that Joe Wilson was married to Valerie plame = Impeachable
-- Releasing national security secrets = Patriotism.
Not anti-war. Just on the other side.
I trust George W. Bush, he is a good and honest man.
he is a liar and a criminal and a murderer.
look it up.
I trust George W. Bush, he is a good and honest man. This is part of the purpose of electing moral people into the Executive Office, you know that you can trust them.
I vote "parody troll".
This shit is just too over-the-top.
Time to eat batsies. That monster thread tired me out.
an. This is part of the purpose of electing moral people into the Executive Office, you know that you can trust them. We couldn't trust Clinton.
shoelimpy
wait
bush
whoi admitted today that he broke the law is "moral"
boy you really need a blowjob to loosen up
This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
If this war is so important, if these 'terrorists' are so dangerous that the President must be allowed to break the law -- that must mean that this country is in mortal danger, right?
And yet -- we're not in enough danger for you to have enlisted in this war.
At what point do things get dangerous enough for you to enlist?
I am always proud to be an American. I trust George W. Bush, he is a good and honest man. This is part of the purpose of electing moral people into the Executive Office, you know that you can trust them. We couldn't trust Clinton.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:37 pm | #
I believe in George W. Bush. I don't believe thatin Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, or the Rule of Law. Those are the weak concepts of the West. America needs a strongman that can protect them.
utterly OT.
he really IS a cyborg.
we could win the WOT if we would learn to play nice. This is playground rules.
That and Ole yeller Kerry rolled over and played dead.
Promises promises.
Wonder what they used to blackmail him.
Hecate Malificent
I think Iowa was rigged. There was out of state tallying of the votes.
even if it had not been done by Kerry or the Dems they still would have looked bad if it slipped out.
Imagine how the pissed off Deaniacs would have taken it.
That could be the reason for the Bush telling Kerry he wanted to talk to him after the debate rumor.
Not anti-war. Just on the other side.
Gaheris Rhade
shorter shorter troll
you dont like bush
you are a traitor
This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
shoelimpy™
don't you tire of living in a constant state of scaredshitlessness and daddy worship? and is there any crime commited by these thugs you can't swallow?
They're very concerned about people exposing classified information, so am I. And how is Karl Rove doing?
I vote "parody troll".
This shit is just too over-the-top.
I agree with you.
Gaheris Rhade
Etruscan for "dumbshit", I believe.
Reposting from below - the House on c-span2 now.
Apparently the D's with the help of some R's have gotten a resolution attached to the defense authorization (Must Pass) bill which calls for the redeployment of US troops in Iraq to begin in 2006. R's Jones from NC, Gilchrest and Ron Paul are at the mike with Abercrombie, Meehan et al.
My, my.
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so valerie plame wasn't a cia agent preventing proliferation
therefore george bush was never president legally
no, it doesn't you cowardly little pussy.
real americans would be ashamed to run scared from the constitution over a little threat. what the fuck are you protecting, anyway? your own puny little life?
"give me liberty or give me death" means nothing to sniveling facsist cowards, i guess.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
It really is breathtaking and out of proportion how scared they are of terrorism. I'm sure there is more of a chance of dying by slipping and falling in the shower then by terrorist attack.
If you live outside the target cities, the threat is laughable.
I guess that's why they call it terrorism.
im off
Who were they spying on? Kerry? Tom Daschle? Every democrat involved in a close House or Senate race? Governors?
Pelosi?
Murtha?
Dan Rather?
How many weird things would start to make sense if (1) the Repugs knew it was going to happen before it happened and (2) the Repugs knew every single one of their opponents' financial embarassments, wive's abortions, sex preferences? Would the press and the Dems suddenly start to seem overly compliant?
-- 'Releasing' publicly available information that Joe Wilson was married to Valerie plame = Impeachable
-- Releasing national security secrets = Patriotism.
shorter fool:
i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about, so i just make shit up.
It really is breathtaking and out of proportion how scared they are of terrorism.
Which is why their defenses of George W. Bush sound more and more like justifications for a "benevolent dictatorship".
a resolution attached to the defense authorization (Must Pass) bill which calls for the redeployment of US troops in Iraq to begin in 2006
Could it be possible that Lil' Boots might actually VETO a bill for the first time, here?
And a Defense authorization bill, at that?
Does this imply it should be a crime to report a crime?
HalfFastSkier
Up is down, BITCH! Boosh is one twister mofo.
And how is Karl Rove doing?
Getting fitted for his jumpsuit, one hopes.
They aren't scared of terrorism so much as losing power.
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You are not a traitor if you don't like Bush. Lots of people don't like Bush. Hell, I don't even like the man. But I do trust him. He is a Christian, and that says a lot to me, and I don't think that he would do anything to harm America. No matter what he is doing, you know he always has America's best interest at heart.
Don't you people ever watch Star Trek? Sometimes you have to violate the Prime Directive in order to uphold it.
Bush needs to resign, frankly.
Anyone who supports a chief executive who believes he has the power to unlawfully spy on American citizens is a traitor.
Period.
The question that needs to be asked: Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
watertiger
That's an interesting question. Because I'll just bet this bunch is paranoid and defensive enough that some high value conservatards -- who might be noisy enough to be viewed as competition of Imperator Georgie -- might just be on the list.
James Dobson. Pat Robertson. Hegel. Even loony toones O'Lielly.
Powell raps Europe on CIA flights
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has indicated that Europeans are being disingenuous when they deny knowledge of the rendition of terror suspects.
Mr Powell said the recently highlighted practice of moving people to places where they are not covered by US law was neither "new or unknown" to Europe.
A number of countries where flights allegedly stopped have said they were unaware of their land being used.
Talking to the BBC, Mr Powell also described his difficulties over Iraq.
Bush sent thousands of troops overseas to their deaths to "defend our freedom".
But to prevent some unknown number of deaths at home, we have to give up of freedom.???
Fucking douchebags.
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Don't you people ever watch Star Trek? Sometimes you have to violate the Prime Directive in order to uphold it.
DEFINITELY "parody troll".
Anyone who supports a chief executive who believes he has the power to unlawfully spy on American citizens is a traitor.
Period.
Bring back TARRING AND FEATHERING. We fought a Revolutionary War to avoid being ruled by a king.
Now, what are they going to be saying if we get in a Democratic President like Clinton who has these same powers...?
Pere Ubu
Just what we need four more years of republicans it's been a straight run since 80.
Time for a change.
It really is breathtaking and out of proportion how scared they are of terrorism.
It's not a fear of terrorism, it's sports mentality run amok. Their team can do no wrong.
Why shouldn't conservatives be concerned about this? This is a time to rally around the President, not criticize him in attempting to execute the War on Terror to the best of his ability.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:27 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
Hell, I don't even like the man. But I do trust him. He is a Christian, and that says a lot to me, and I don't think that he would do anything to harm America. No matter what he is doing, you know he always has America's best interest at heart.
My friend, George W. Bush is about as much a Christian as Khan was.
"shoelimpy" is just a joker. Ignore.
They were and are snooping on Dems. They knew everything Kerry was going to say and do before he did.
Bastards
Hecate Malificent
wow, i just realized how true this probably is, wow.
Bastards
They aren't scared of terrorism so much as losing power.
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QuentinCompson
In fact they love hyper-anxiety over terrorism cause they need it to retain power.
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Amendment IV:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
It's worth noting.
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Amendment IV:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
It's worth noting.
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If you live outside the target cities, the threat is laughable.
I guess that's why they call it terrorism.
Marcia Brady ∞ |
I know a woman that was so upset about the possiblity of her water being poisoned, until I pointed out that she was on a well. Damn these fundies are so fucking stupid.
"shoelimpy" is just a joker. Ignore.
Thers |
Right, like a dead mouse - no longer fun to play with.
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How many weird things would start to make sense if (1) the Repugs knew it was going to happen before it happened and (2) the Repugs knew every single one of their opponents' financial embarassments, wive's abortions, sex preferences? Would the press and the Dems suddenly start to seem overly compliant?
Hecate Malificent
There have been rumors of such since the Franklin Coverup.
The other thing overlooked is Poppy managed to place old intelligence cronies at nearly every news organization.
CNN had overt CIA people working for them in the buildup to the inavsion.
George W. Bush -- The Fourth Amendment President.
Which is why their defenses of George W. Bush sound more and more like justifications for a "benevolent dictatorship".
Sorry, mate. Nothing *benevolent* about Bu$hCo. Screaming fascist sounds about right.
It's worth noting.
Quaint, that.
Okay off with me!
George had to fess-up. Otherwise he couldn't go into Tony Blair mode and decry the leakers (and the media in this case- which makes little sense) in order to ignore the underlying story.
Their spin is getting more and more retarded.
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Sooooo... where ees the LFoD?
(crickets)
so.
The question that needs to be asked: Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
watertiger
you can right quick find that answer at little green fascists.
to save you the time, no.
Prediction:
Bush to have a heart attack, or a stroke, before the end of his presidency.
You heard it here first.
Anyone who supports a chief executive who believes he has the power to unlawfully spy on American citizens is a traitor.
Period.
Thers |
And there's the Money Quote™
Word up, brother man.
It's worth noting.
Well it WAS.
He is a Christian, and that says a lot to me, and I don't think that he would do anything to harm America.
shoelimpy™
If professing a love of Christ and being baptized makes one a Christian, then Jimmy Carter is just as qualified to run the country as Bush, by your standards. Do you agree? Remember, you said you don't have to like him, you don't have to agree with him. He just has to be a professed, God-fearing Christian.
I don't know anymore. This is making me crazy. So, it's wrong to expose illegal acts by the government?
Been said many times, many ways, this is not my government. Or, it wasn't five years ago.
No matter what he is doing, you know he always has America's best interest at heart.
once again, i cannot understand people buying into this myth. bush has only his own self interest at heart - either that, or he is so miserably incompetent that i still wouldn't believe people supporting him.
name something, ANYTHING, that this bastard has done for the american people?
tax cuts for the rich? sitting idle and taking vacations while 9/11 was being plotted? wasting hundreds of billions and thousands of lives on an illegal and immoral war against a country which posed no threat while waving the banner of an attack from another source?
he is a total fuck up by any standard of what is good for americans. but he and his closest pals have done quite well for themselves.
he's a thief and a bastard and a psychotic megalomaniac. and he has been all his life. how did you let him get such sway over you? how stupid and scared can you be?
George Bush - The Torture and Spying President.
"Paging George Orwell. George Orwell to the bugged courtesy phone...."
Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives
(Yahoo! headline)
George had to fess-up. Otherwise he couldn't go into Tony Blair mode and decry the leakers (and the media in this case- which makes little sense) in order to ignore the underlying story.
Their spin is getting more and more retarded.
Someone said years ago, "It's not the crimes that get you, it's the cover up."
Bush must have learned the wrong lesson. The right lesson is "don't commit crimes" and not "commit crimes, then admit them".
"shoelimpy" is just a joker. Ignore.
Thers |
Right, like a dead mouse - no longer fun to play with.
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Agent Orange
Please, do us all the HOLIDAY favor of ignoring the morons. The last thread was so full of troll shit I nearly broke my scroll key. It will be your HOLIDAY gift to the thread.
"Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives"
Do you have any proof that it doesn't? Since Bush has started eavesdropping, there has not been another attack on US soil now has there?
Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
On second thought, if they WERE, I'm sure they'd be the quickest to point fingers and screech "TRAITOR! TRAITOR!" at those who they, until then, had been standing side-by-side with.
No honor among thieves.
He is a Christian, and that says a lot to me
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."
Remember, when the Republicans illegally spy on American citizens, it's strictly in the interests of national security. When Democrats do it, it means the UN's black helicopters are on the way to institute the One Government.
Help me out here.
Wasn't there some news a while back (aroung the time of the original UN vote on authorization of the war) that we were caught bugging the UN's (Annan's) offices?
Is this part of it?
Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives
Yeah because there are commie infiltrators everywhere!:
http://dieselcreek.blogspot.com/...ibrary-
and.html
"If professing a love of Christ and being baptized makes one a Christian, then Jimmy Carter is just as qualified to run the country as Bush, by your standards. Do you agree? Remember, you said you don't have to like him, you don't have to agree with him. He just has to be a professed, God-fearing Christian."
I have no problems with Jimmy Carter. But you should notice that he isn't the President right now. He has other things to worry with these days.
If professing a love of Christ and being baptized makes one a Christian, then Jimmy Carter is just as qualified to run the country as Bush,
more so. carter actually IS a xian, unlike the beast bush.
i personally would like to tell Bush to go fuck himself!
Please, do us all the HOLIDAY favor of ignoring the morons. The last thread was so full of troll shit I nearly broke my scroll key. It will be your HOLIDAY gift to the thread.
bigvic
I'm sorry, you're right. I don't usually address them and I will try not to again.
Can I talk about them behind their backs?
this bunch is paranoid and defensive enough that some high value conservatards -- who might be noisy enough to be viewed as competition of Imperator Georgie -- might just be on the list.
Word.
Also Arnold, Hagel, Zell Miller, Donna Brazile. . . .
these fucking bastards are *desparate*...OMFG, everybody this is game NOW.
I just wonder if there's a Repub Senator willing to take on the mantle of Goldwater, make the walk up to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, sit down in the Oval Office and say, "YOU'RE FUCKING UP! LEAVE NOW."
I am always proud to be an American. I trust George W. Bush, he is a good and honest man. This is part of the purpose of electing moral people into the Executive Office, you know that you can trust them. We couldn't trust Clinton.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:37 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
The question that needs to be asked: Would the conservatards be upset if they were caught in this spying net?
watertiger - 6:32 pm
Why I remember how upset conservatives were with me for recording my conversations with Monica.
Oh wait...
What's all thi crap about terrorists winning? Its not as if a few thousands angry muslims were ever in a position to take over a nation of 280 million people.
Been said many times, many ways, this is not my government. Or, it wasn't five years ago.
mer
It's nothing but a farce government these days. The GOP has more in common with the Mafia than a Democracy.
Do you have any proof that it doesn't? Since Bush has started eavesdropping, there has not been another attack on US soil now has there?
Don't you think Bush would have been rubbing this evidence in our faces by now?
He tried to claim a bunch of victories earlier this year, but they we're debunked.
.
Here's how I'm looking at the whole thing: I can't wait until January 2009 when President Hillary Clinton has all of this untrammeled power.
And the Freepi, being patriots, will be happy as well.
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Do you have any proof that it doesn't? Since Bush has started eavesdropping, there has not been another attack on US soil now has there?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:49 pm | #
no, we don't have any proof of anything, of course. how about finding out who big brother has been spying on, so we will know?
worst
fucking
president
ever.
more so. carter actually IS a xian, unlike the beast bush.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I know. I love Jimmy. Even though he's getting a little far out there on abortion rights, he still has my heart.
. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.
From Hadji's pal's link.
That is just fucking wrong on so many levels.
Do you have any proof that it doesn't? Since Bush has started eavesdropping, there has not been another attack on US soil now has there?
I would have rather had the attacks on US soil. I can rebuild, I can mourn, I can bury my dead, and can live my life in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
But when Bush puts our civil rights to the torch, he kills democracy. He kills everything worth fighting for about the country, and worth dying for.
Or, as Benjamin Franklin said, those who would trade their freedom for security deserve neither freedom, nor security.
Where shall we live after Bush saves the country, but destroys its Constitution?
Wasn't there some news a while back (aroung the time of the original UN vote on authorization of the war) that we were caught bugging the UN's (Annan's) offices?
yep, they were bugging the countries who were waffling on voting over Iraq war authorization.
Wouldn't suprise me if you're right on that... which would be why they won't release the lists, methinks.
It's nothing but a farce government these days. The GOP has more in common with the Mafia than a Democracy.
bigvic | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:52 pm | #
i resent that.
the mafia has a code of honor.
AS Hecate said the other night it is time to go Ukranian on them.
Afternoon all from the left coast.
moonbootica sez:
i personally would like to tell Bush to go fuck himself!
I'm saving that one for DeFib Dick.
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WHO IS PRESIDENT BUSH SPYING ON? Do you know? No. I can tell you something, though. He's not spying on me. He's not spying on you (unless you are a terrorist).
Bush is spying on TERRORISTS. By being terrorists, they have disavowed any civil rights granted to them under the Constitution. They are no longer American citizens, they have proclaimed themselves to be Enemy Combatants by taking part in terrorist activities.
Because of this, it does not violate the Constitution to eavesdrop on these people. Far from it, it is UPHOLDING the Constitution. Just as Bush has said.
I know. I love Jimmy. Even though he's getting a little far out there on abortion rights, he still has my heart.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 12.17.05 - 6:53 pm | #
and at least you know he is sincere about it, not just buying the dobson vote.
"Time to eat batsies"
Yikes
This is extremely depressing -- so I am trying to compensate by considering that spying on 69% of the population has got to be overwhelming (especially for nitwits as incompetant as ChimpCo)
AS Hecate said the other night it is time to go Ukranian on them.
scout prime | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:54 pm | #
A general strike sounds very good right now.
I just wonder if there's a Repub Senator willing to take on the mantle of Goldwater, make the walk up to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, sit down in the Oval Office and say, "YOU'RE FUCKING UP! LEAVE NOW."
Barry from Alaska
Ask after 2006, when the congressional Republicans get their asses served to them on a platter...
shoelimpy™: bite me, Nazi shitbird.
"We do not torture." ~ George W. Bush
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Since Bush has started eavesdropping, there has not been another attack on US soil now has there?
The government was eavesdropping long before 9/11.
"shoelimpy" has jumped the shark into the realm of tiresome parody troll. Please ignore and give it time to re-invent itself.
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I stopped masturbating after 9/11. Methinks that's the reason we haven't had another attack on American soil.
He's not spying on you (unless you are a terrorist).
Bush is spying on TERRORISTS. By being terrorists, they have disavowed any civil rights granted to them under the Constitution. They are no longer American citizens, they have proclaimed themselves to be Enemy Combatants by taking part in terrorist activities.
In a benevolent dictatorship under George Bush, we will dispense with the decadent western idea "innocent until proven guilty". All of our enemies are guilty. They are guilty because they are our enemies, and they are our enemies because they are guilty!
If the fake *partiots* in wingerville spent half as much time rallying around the farking Constitution as they do excusing Boosh's criminal acts we could get our county back on track. They would rather aid and abett the crooks and liars destroying America to their eternal shame.
Gack. Bold tag closed.
Here's how I'm looking at the whole thing: I can't wait until January 2009 when President Hillary Clinton has all of this untrammeled power.
And the Freepi, being patriots, will be happy as well.
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spork_incident
Sir, I salute you.
Clap.
Clap.
Clap.
What's really amazing is the majority of far right blogs Require you to register, and then you are allowed to comment, but even then, they will block your opinion if they feel it isn't in line with their philosophy. Try it!
So guess its not just Santa who knows if we've been naughty or nice.
The Founding Fathers'll be spinning in their graves fast enough to reverse the Earth's rotation any day now.
dead mouses are too fun to play with. Boy dog is still showing off a raccoon he snagged a week ago.
Where shall we live after Bush saves the country
Not so fast there, Gertrude.
Saves the country? Saves it from what? Itself?
Kucinich is very ticked on C-span right now.
And given that the congressional intelligence committees weren't given all of the information they were supposed to have received from the White House, what makes anyone think that Bush's latest protestations (that people on Capitol Hill knew about this) are true?
Since Bush has started eavesdropping, there has not been another attack on US soil now has there?
Bush's spying IS an attack on U.S. soil.
I stopped masturbating after 9/11. Methinks that's the reason we haven't had another attack on American soil.
smitty werbenmanjensen
I think we should all thank smitty for his patriotism by dancing suggestively--in skimpy lingerie -- around him in a circle...
I stopped masturbating after 9/11. Methinks that's the reason we haven't had another attack on American soil.
No, it's 'cause of the rock in my backyard that scares away terrorists!
We never arrrest anybody unless they're criminals.
We never invade countries unless we know they're about to attack us.
What kind of nutty logic is this? We aren't spying on people unless we know they're terrorists. If we know they're terrorists, then we already would have evidence enough to arrest them.
Right?
Not so fast there, Gertrude.
"And then Gertude Stein punched me in the mouth."
-- Woody Allen
"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 Octover 1928
Remember good people, Bush is a Christian too.
And given that the congressional intelligence committees weren't given all of the information they were supposed to have received from the White House, what makes anyone think that Bush's latest protestations (that people on Capitol Hill knew about this) are true?
I bet Republicans did...
Especially the pro-torture, anti-civil liberties ones.
WHO IS PRESIDENT BUSH SPYING ON? Do you know? No. I can tell you something, though. He's not spying on me. He's not spying on you (unless you are a terrorist).
Bush is spying on TERRORISTS. By being terrorists, they have disavowed any civil rights granted to them under the Constitution.
what a fucking load of horseshit.
how do you know that every person he is spying on is a terrorist? do you have any idea how many people were RELEASED from gitmo and abu-ghraib, after being branded "terrorists"? why do you think the law says you need a warrent - there has to be EVIDENCE of a need BEFOREHAND, and it has to be acceptable to an independant judge, to prevent abuse of powers. and even then, the SUSPECT doesn't give up his constitutional rights. even if he is CONVICTED, he has constitutional rights.
the real issue is, there are two kinds of people who support this business of the president being above the law: those who want to wield inconvertable power, and cowards who will surrender AMERICA to the fascists who seek that control rather than face the miniscule threat of balsawood drones from across the sea.
I think we should all thank smitty for his patriotism by dancing suggestively--in skimpy lingerie -- around him in a circle...
TERRORIST!
Bush's spying IS an attack on U.S. soil.
Another noteworthy comment.
He's not spying on you (unless you are a terrorist).
Idiot. Bolton used NSA intercepts to spy on Co-Workers.
They'd spy on anyone including you
I think we should all thank smitty for his patriotism by dancing suggestively--in skimpy lingerie -- around him in a circle...
Marcia Brady ∞ | 12.17.05 - 6:59 pm | #
well, ok.... but i should probably shave my legs first.
I think we should all thank smitty for his patriotism by dancing suggestively--in skimpy lingerie -- around him in a circle...
Marcia Brady ?
Throw in VV's shoes, and I'm there ....
i personally would like to tell Bush to go fuck himself!
I'm saving that one for DeFib Dick.
I thought that would make a nice holiday card when they're all sitting in prison....
I stopped masturbating after 9/11. Methinks that's the reason we haven't had another attack on American soil.
I redoubled my masturbating efforts after 9/11. With an almost disturbing ferocity.
Boy, once again I'm happy I'm about to become an Englishman.
Quit with the masturbation talk. I'm saving myself for Jesus and I don't need my eyes sullied at Eschaton.
Bush is spying on TERRORISTS. By being terrorists, they have disavowed any civil rights granted to them under the Constitution.
How can you tell. As you pointed out, there have been no attacks since 9/11 so what kind of evidence is there these people are terrorists.
And if there is evidence, why aren't they being prosecuted as terrorists?
what makes anyone think that Bush's latest protestations (that people on Capitol Hill knew about this) are true?
Being a Godly Man™ means he would never lie. Or only lie if it was best for the country. Or helped him personally.
Or something.
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well, ok.... but i should probably shave my legs first.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I'll lend you some lip gloss, and you'll be fine...
I stopped masturbating after 9/11. Methinks that's the reason we haven't had another attack on American soil.
I redoubled my masturbating efforts after 9/11. With an almost disturbing ferocity.
Max Planck
Every time I hear a low flying jet I feel a rumble in my shorts.
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This is extremely depressing -- so I am trying to compensate by considering that spying on 69% of the population has got to be overwhelming (especially for nitwits as incompetant as ChimpCo)
Prior Aelred | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:55 pm
i have long held that the best protection of our right to privacy comes from the government's general incompetence.
"shoelimpy™: bite me, Nazi shitbird."
I take it a compliment to be called such names by one such as you.
WHO IS PRESIDENT BUSH SPYING ON? Do you know? No. I can tell you something, though. He's not spying on me. He's not spying on you (unless you are a terrorist).
Bush is spying on TERRORISTS. By being terrorists, they have disavowed any civil rights granted to them under the Constitution. They are no longer American citizens, they have proclaimed themselves to be Enemy Combatants by taking part in terrorist activities.
Because of this, it does not violate the Constitution to eavesdrop on these people. Far from it, it is UPHOLDING the Constitution. Just as Bush has said.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 6:54 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
Throw in VV's shoes, and I'm there ....
smitty werbenmanjensen
Here, dirk, can you dance in these?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/
i...,905936,00.html
Here it is. From 2003.
WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO MEAN???
Psheets.
I stopped masturbating after 9/11. Methinks that's the reason we haven't had another attack on American soil.
smitty werbenmanjensen
sacrificing a prostate for security.
hoelimpy™: bite me, Nazi shitbird."
I take it a compliment to be called such names by one such as you.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:03 pm | #
Well, in that case allow me to
pile on.
You're a fucking reactionary
moron.
Your welcome.
I know that every person Bush is spying on is a terrorist because there is NO REASON for Bush to be spying on anyone else. Do you think that Bush gets his jollies out of spying on innocent Americans? NO! He is interested in trying to protect America, nothing more and nothing less.
Vicki is master of her domain.
TERRORIST!
watertiger
Look, if you have a better suggestion, I'd be willing to give it a go...
Here, dirk, can you dance in these?
Marcia Brady ∞ | 12.17.05 - 7:04 pm | #
i dance like elaine benes. i suppose i wouldn't be much worse in vv's shoes.
Have I shown you my tiger rock lately? It keeps tigers off my lawn (no offense wt). It works really really well - there hasn't been one there ever.
Oh, nametags of course, that's how Shrub knew who was naughty and who was nice. Everybody's got a nametag now with a little 't' for terrorist. It's like the microchip I've got under my wattles! Glad that was cleared up, I really was wondering how the ID process was taking place.
Shorter Atrios:
"Everyone knows terrorists are bad" - Atrios.
But if the bomber they caught as a result of the intercepts was able to kill a few hundred, or a few thousand civilians, Atrios would be first in line calling for someone's head. And given his US Military = those of Hitler and Stalin meme, maybe literally.
Run for president DB, so your views can get more exposure. And after a good round of laughing at you, Democrats can return to the National Security grown up table.
WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO MEAN???
Being considered "anti-American" for thinking differently from the conservative elite does tend to stick in one's craw. Life's a bitch, kid, get a helmet.
I dwell in the domain of my master.
I know that every person Bush is spying on is a terrorist because there is NO REASON for Bush to be spying on anyone else. Do you think that Bush gets his jollies out of spying on innocent Americans? NO! He is interested in trying to protect America, nothing more and nothing less.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:05 pm | #
Hey, fuckhead, here's a quarter--buy a clue. What THE FUCK EVIDENCE do YOU have that they were only spying on people who could be proven terrorists? You got some high-ranking friends in the NSA? No, you don't. Because nobody at the NSA actually discloses what their jobs are. So go fuck yourself. You don't have a fucking clue.
The only reactionaries I see on this board are you.
Care to 'splain what I am reacting against?
The existence of the surveillance operation, understood to have been requested by President Bush's National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, is deeply embarrassing to the Americans in the middle of their efforts to win over the undecided delegations.
Rice is in the various criminal activites right up to her Klingonesque eyebrows.
Cog, you're useless. It's a cheap shot to wait around until a thread is dead to offer your moronic input. Go away.
I think Cog is Joe Lieberman.
Do you think that Bush gets his jollies out of spying on innocent Americans?
personally, i don't think bush gives a shit about average americans one way or another. new orleans drowned not from malevolence, but from apathy.
but spying on his political enemies? when he has already insinuated that even running in an election against him borders on treason? yeah, i think so. and so does anyone with any sense at all.
Shoelimpy you don't have a clue. Shut up.
I know he's not spying on me. I call him a fucking moron and many other names on a regular basis over my cell phone and they haven't taken away my pension or knocked on my door yet.
(I move often to stay one step ahead of them...)
But if the bomber they caught as a result of the intercepts was able to kill a few hundred, or a few thousand civilians, Atrios would be first in line calling for someone's head
not me. i'd want him released on a technicality.
seriously.
"Hey, fuckhead, here's a quarter--buy a clue. What THE FUCK EVIDENCE do YOU have that they were only spying on people who could be proven terrorists? You got some high-ranking friends in the NSA? No, you don't. Because nobody at the NSA actually discloses what their jobs are. So go fuck yourself. You don't have a fucking clue."
I have all the clues in the world. I have the word of George W. Bush.
I know that every person Bush is spying on is a terrorist because there is NO
REASON for Bush to be spying on anyone else. Do you think that Bush gets his
jollies out of spying on innocent Americans? NO! He is interested in trying to
protect America, nothing more and nothing less.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:05 pm | #
You're a mongrel idiot if you
actually believe that shit.
I know that every person Bush is spying on is a terrorist because there is NO REASON for Bush to be spying on anyone else. Do you think that Bush gets his jollies out of spying on innocent Americans? NO! He is interested in trying to protect America, nothing more and nothing less.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:05 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
Care to 'splain what I am reacting against?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:07 pm | #
terrorism. your reaction is to hide under the bed and hope someone will protect you.
Praise Jesus!
Cog, you're pathetic. I'm surprised your hatred hasn't driven you to enlist.
Must be you don't have the courage of your convictions, wussie boy.
I call him a fucking moron and many other names on a regular basis over my cell phone and they haven't taken away my pension or knocked on my door yet.
how many million people are in this country? of course they don't spy on everyone. i mean, they wanted to but when people found out adm. poindexter was behind the tia, it got at least slowed down.
too much data is never valuable - they look for the important stuff. that's why it is so important to get the list.
Annie said yes!
I have all the clues in the world. I have the word of George W. Bush.
Well. Nice to know you're keeping your skeptical abilities honed to a sharp edge.
Annie said yes!
Al Swearengen | 12.17.05 - 7:13 pm | #
don't forget the penicillan.
I call you a reactionary sir. Your reaction to George W. Bush protecting us from terrorists is to get really mad and posting angry things on blogs.
personally, i don't think bush gives a shit about average americans one way or another.
He conspicuously never did during his entire existence leading up to his installment into office. I would really question some Oval Office egalitarian epiphany since he's been there.
That is the huge risk in having a lifelong child of privilege and priority making Chief Executive decisions.
"Well. Nice to know you're keeping your skeptical abilities honed to a sharp edge."
Give me one reason not to believe that George W. Bush is not acting with the nation's best interest at heart.
Annie said yes!
Al Swearengen
Make sure you wear a rubber!
I have all the clues in the world. I have the word of George W. Bush.
Clueless.
"too much data is never valuable - they look for the important stuff. that's why it is so important to get the list."
And let the terrorists know that we are spying on them? Ridiculous. The President will release the names if the need arises for the best interests of national security.
Shut up, Al! I hate you! You need to find Jesus!
Give me one reason not to believe that George W. Bush is not acting with the nation's best interest at heart.
9/11.
Give me one reason not to believe that George W. Bush is not acting with the nation's best interest at heart.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:14 pm | #
Every American should put his common sense in a blind trust when it comes to George Bush. We can trust him implicitly.
Al, I thought you were celibate!
The President will release the names if the need arises for the best interests of national security.
Let him whisper it to the top-ranking members of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
we could win the WOT if we would learn to play nice. This is playground rules.
1watt Hermit | Email | 12.17.05 - 6:39 pm | #
"War on Terror" is a brand name. It is not a real war. It has no clear achievable goals. It has no clear enemy. But it sure does give the President the power to do whatever the fuck he wants.
Give me one reason not to believe that George W. Bush is not acting with the nation's best interest at heart.
Gimme just one good reason, and I'll turn right back around.
I call you a reactionary sir. Your reaction to George W. Bush protecting us from terrorists is to get really mad and posting angry things on blogs.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:14 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
Give me one reason not to believe that George W. Bush is not acting with the
nation's best interest at heart.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:14 pm | #
He accepted the presidency in 2000
under utterly shameful terms.
No one with a shred of integrity
would have done it.
Give me one reason not to believe that George W. Bush is not acting with the nation's best interest at heart.
Personally, I can't say whether he is or he isn't. Give me one reason to believe he is. The past lies and misdirections concerning the overall conflict with the shady Islamic world makes me suspicious of his motives. The administration's continued need for extreme privacy and controll over their public environment. The shutting out of dissenting voices. The parade of political allies appointed to jobs they had no credit to do. The rather suspect way this current imbroglio came to light. The cheerleading he's done against personal liberties, from the Patriot Act to the attempted constitutional ban on gay marriage. The rather shitty way he responded to it in this morning's radio address. I don't trust the man. I don't like not trusting the president, but I don't.
Besides, there's absolutely no reason to take the president - any president - on just his word alone. He's a public servent, answerable to the people and the Constitution. If what he's doing indeed is against the law of the land, then it's wrong. The ends do not justify the means, especially when one man has that much power.
don't forget the penicillan.
Dirk, you've got her all wrong. She's just a little confused.
http://www.laurettewillis.com/la...s%
20gazette.htm
Personally, I see lots of potential in Annie (Laurette).
I'm thinking about getting her video so I can relieve some stress while improving circulation through stretching and flexibility exercises. Heaven knows I've been a little stiff lately.
Bush is our President, and I have never seen him do anything wrong while President. He has made mistakes, but I have seen no evidence of malicious intent.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?
Shoelimpy - AKA Allen Butler- seems to have developed a recent case of schizophrenia. His posts from Nov 2005 include this tidbit:
The fact remains that, despite Bush's weak attempts to show the contrary, he completely manipulated the evidence leading to the Iraq War. That much is obvious to any critical observer. The Plamegate scandal, the Downings Street Memo, the revelations made by Richard Clarke (and of course his own character assassination), Powell and Rice's pre 9-11 comments; these all lead to the same conclusion: Bush intentionally misused the intelligence on WMD on Iraq to justify war.
On December 16, however he goes from bashing Novakula to justifying Bush's "Constitution is just a piece of paper".
Do you suppose somebody bought his blog off him??
Smitty...Here's a glass of wine--I'll be right back, I just want to slip into something a little more comfortable....
Bush is our President, and I have never seen him do anything wrong while President.
Shorter moronic brownshirt fuck: Sieg Heil!
(And no, it's not a violation of Godwin's Law when you call a real fucking Nazi a real fucking Nazi.)
shoelimpy,
Doesn't matter that he's president and it doesn't matter that you've seen no evidence of malice aforethought. This issue concerns basic Constitutional questions and just how much unfetted power the President of the United States should have. Are you comfortable with the idea of a Democratic president with such a lacksadasial approach to civil liberties and the seperation of powers?
Matt T., you make some very good points. Truth be known, it is still to early in this game to know what is really going on. However, I have to say that I believe that he is working for the good of the American people.
People who are outraged by this latest rogue act on the part of our increasingly rogue government aren't going to get much traction with this one. I'm willing to bet that this news will give Bush a bump in the polls. There are plenty of people who love it when the hero breaks the rules to get the bad guy. They are going to have a hard time understanding just why this is a problem. Our popular culture is chockablock full of heroes who go outside the law to enforce the law. People love that shit. And its something that Bush's handlers get very well. Don't think for a minute Bush bought a ranch on the other side of bumfuck because he really likes clearing brush.
Not sure if this one's is going to outrage more than a few of us.
(And no, it's not a violation of Godwin's Law when you call a real fucking Nazi a real fucking Nazi.)
dave™ | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:24 pm | #
Well, there is a difference. shoelimpy is arguing for a dictatorship under George W. Bush. But the reason he wants us all to drink the Bush Kool-Aid is that deep down in his heart, Bush is a really nice guy who would never do anyone harm.
Whereas Hitler's supporters made the argument that Hitler...I mean that Hitler was...I mean....
Uh...never mind. 
No Matt, I would not be comfortable with a Democrat in power, because I have never trusted Democrats and never will. Especially since Bill Clinton.
No Matt, I would not be comfortable with a Democrat in power, because I have never trusted Democrats and never will. Especially since Bill Clinton.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:27 pm | #
Idiot.
I have to say that I believe
that he is working for the good of the American people.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:25 pm | #
If by the American people you mean
Bush's corporate masters, you
might have a point.
shoelimpy,
That's your right. I don't trust the government - any government - enough for this sort of unfettered power. I know the U.S. government has spied on citizens before, not because they posed a threat to the nation, but because they posed some sort of threat to people in power (MLK, for example).
I also don't particularly trust the Bush government for the reasons listed above, but I'd be just as concerned if Clinton pulled this sort of thing. It's still early in this whole affair yet, and I do honestly think both sides are doing more screaming than listening - which is more a comment on the current ugliness of American partisan politics than anything else - but I simply refuse to trust anyone with that much extra-Constitutional power just on word alone. No one's that perfect, and the limits on the government exist in the Constitution for a reason.
Right now, that's my main most beef with Bush's radio speech this morning.
I'm not arguing for a dictatorship under anyone. I am arguing for allowing the PRESIDENT to do what the PRESIDENT needs to do in order to defend the homeland. I personally like living in a secure homeland, I don't know why you don't.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is wrong. It takes away from the evil of Hitler. You are so glib about throwing around the word Nazi and the name Hitler, you should be ashamed.
No Matt, I would not be comfortable with a Democrat in power, because I have never trusted Democrats and never will. Especially since Bill Clinton.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:27 pm | #
See, there ya go. For whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trust that much power in a Democratic president, either, but it's got nothing to do with Clinton or any individual within the party. It's a simply matter of keeping a big dog in proper check. You open the floodgates for one just cause you "have faith" in him and aren't willing to give that faith for all simply because of party loyalty, then you've got a recipe for disaster in some form or another.
order to defend the
homeland. I personally like living in a secure homeland, I don't know why you
don't.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:29 pm | #
Why don't just say Fatherland?
Your tone would be a lot more accurate,, know what I mean?
I'm not arguing for a dictatorship under anyone. I am arguing for allowing the PRESIDENT to do what the PRESIDENT needs to do in order to defend the homeland. I personally like living in a secure homeland, I don't know why you don't.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:29 pm | #
Complex question fallacy.
Bush is our President, and I have never seen him do anything wrong while President. He has made mistakes, but I have seen no evidence of malicious intent.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:21 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
Al, I thought you were celibate!
Vicki, I've seen the light, or should I say Annieangel.
Annie, lets smoke the peace pipe. I think Vicki's got just the one.
"Why don't just say Fatherland?
Your tone would be a lot more accurate,, know what I mean?"
Because I am not a Nazi. But I do have a homeland, and that homeland is America.
Bush is our President, and I have never seen him do anything wrong while President. He has made mistakes, but I have seen no evidence of malicious intent.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:21 pm | #
Do you have evidence unicorns don't exist?
Shifting the burden of proof: another logical fallacy.
I'm not arguing for a dictatorship under anyone. I am arguing for allowing the PRESIDENT to do what the PRESIDENT needs to do in order to defend the homeland. I personally like living in a secure homeland, I don't know why you don't.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:29 pm | #
There is no Article 48 in the American Constitution.
Article 48 belonged to the German Constitution of the Weimar Republic. It game the President the right to suspend the laws of the land if he felt that the nation was in danger.
It was the article that Hitler and Hindenberg invoked after the Reichstag power, and the Article that spelled
the doom of the Weimar Republic.
So let me ask you...what laws SHOULD the president be allowed to disregard if he thinks the situation warrants it? All of them? Some of them? Just a pesky few? Or shall we just let Bush decided which laws he wants to obey and which laws he wants to disregard?
In the play "A Man for All Seasons", the son in law of Sir Thomas More says that he'd destroy every law in the land if it protected him against the Devil. More said, "and when all those laws have been chopped down, and the Devil stares you in the face, what will you hide behind now that every law has been chopped flat."
You, sir, are calling for a dictatorship. It's bad to put it in those terms, but when you let Bush rule by whim, that is in the essence of what you are calling for. George Washington would have said, that the only kind of person who could do what he wanted to without having to worry about the law is either a king or a despot.
Which one are you asking Bush to become?
No Matt, I would not be comfortable with a Democrat in power, because I have never trusted Democrats and never will. Especially since Bill Clinton.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:27 pm | #
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god, you're stupid.
Who in the world brought Article 48 of any Constitution into this discussion?
Bush is not ruling by whim. Bush is ruling by the demands of the moment. He is not one to sit around and talk while people's lives are in danger, he takes immediate action. Personally I like a take charge kind of guy to be in control of my country.
Bush is not ruling by whim. Bush is ruling by the demands of the moment. He is not one to sit around and talk while people's lives are in danger, he takes immediate action. Personally I like a take charge kind of guy to be in control of my country.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:38 pm | #
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bush is one to sit around and talk while people's lives are in danger. that's what he did on 9/11, that's what he has done throughout the stupid war that he started against iraq.
Which laws does the president have the right to ignore, shoe?
All of them? Some of them? The ones that get in his way?
that's what he did when katrina hit. that is all he ever does.
by the way shoelimpy, the reason you trust bush is because you are stupid.
Annie?
Angel?
Olaf, in shoe's world -- and Bush's -- the law is a sign of decadence. Only take charge guys can be trusted to rule.
You know: STRONG MEN.
How come Bush hasn't made tightening up basic security at ports, etc more of a priority? That's the kind of thing a real "takecharge" guy gets done.
Hell, he himself said we were *not* immune from another attack, and even yet simple little things like that haven't been done, *four years* later...
the fact that lots of stupid people trust bush doesn't make him more credible.
The ones that keep Bush from doing what needs to be done. It is not something that you can specifically describe, when the need arises you recognize it and move beyond it. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
What, Al? Do you have some more sick things to say to me?
I have all the clues in the world. I have the word of George W. Bush.
shoelimpy™
you would take the word of an admitted liar
How do you know security at ports haven't been tightened? Been to any recently?
presidenting is hard work
especially with all those checks and balances
? Do you have some more sick things to say to me?
annieangel |
are going to keep claiming thanb all muslims are evil?
Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives
so freedom is slavery
I never once claimed that, liar.
shoelimpy 7:44. That is mystic bullshit you would *never* accept if a Dem proposed it, and you know it. You are one scared rabbit, friend- and while you stare in fear at the wolf way across the field, the fox comes up from behind...
The ones that keep Bush from doing what needs to be done.
Yes, you are now definitely calling for a strongman.
Bush needs to be allowed to disobey certain laws. You can't tell me which laws they are, you can't tell me any sort of general principle to use to determine what they are.
We are to go by George Bush's gut, and only George Bush's gut. Bush is not to be questioned, he is not to be held accountable, or answerable to any authority. He is beyond authority. He is beyond the law.
You are calling for American fascism.
The ones that keep Bush from doing what needs to be done. It is not something that you can specifically describe, when the need arises you recognize it and move beyond it. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:44 pm | #
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we've crossed it. bush is a failure. under his administration, the world trade centers were knocked over: failure. the fucking pentagon was attacked: failure. iraq was illegally invaded on false pretenses and over 2000 us soldiers are dead with no end in sight: failure. the city of new orleans was destroyed: failure. how many chances do you want to give this guy?
Are you blaming Bush for the hurricane?
No ports near me, no... but Tom Kean & the 9/11 commission are *not* satisfied with the current level of security.
'course, when you consider Bush didn't want a commission in the first place, I guess it should be no surprise he wouldn't listen to it...
Question George W. Bush all that you want. I don't mind. He doesn't mind. You're an American, you have that right. Try asking one of Osama bin Laden's followers ever get to question his decisions. Yeah, right.
Nothing is going to happen to Bush. He isn't going to be impeached. He isn't going to be put on trial. He is going to continue being the President. So, ummmmm, what really is there to do to the man? He did what he had to do, and I for one am thankful for it. I am also thankful he is not a Democrat.
Are you blaming Bush for the hurricane?
annieangel | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:51 pm | #
I would never blame a firefighter for a fire that he didn't cause.
But I would blame him if he watched the fire burn and decided not to put it out.
Are you blaming Bush for the hurricane?
annieangel | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:51 pm | #
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i'm blaming bush for not funding the levees and for the worthless relief efforts. of course i don't think bush caused the hurricane, you idiot.
It's not Bush's fault. It's the fault of people believing that nothing like that could ever really happen. Mostly the mayor and the governor.
I give Bush no chances. But you, as part of the American population that voted him in do. What do you plan to do to Bush? Really, tell me what his punishment is. You really think something is going to happen to him? Where have you been living?
It's not Bush's fault. It's the fault of people believing that nothing like that could ever really happen. Mostly the mayor and the governor.
annieangel | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:54 pm | #
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god, you're stupid. the levee system is a federal responsibility.
annieangel, I only have one thing to say to you:
"Michael, you're doing a heckuva job!"
If it's "just the mayor and governor's fault", then what the fuck was the man doing making political speeches in the Southwest during the crisis?
"Osama bin Laden? I don't really think about him."
I give Bush no chances. But you, as part of the American population that voted him in do. What do you plan to do to Bush? Really, tell me what his punishment is. You really think something is going to happen to him? Where have you been living?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:54 pm | #
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there is nothing i can do to bush. i don't understand how that relates to your argument that he should not be required to obey the law, though.
He does obey the law, except when the need arises. If the need doesn't arise, he doesn't break the law.
My question to you, is, how are you going to require him to obey the law if there is nothing you can do to him if he doesn't?
What, Al? Do you have some more sick things to say to me?
Annie, angel, what sick things are you referring to? Please be specific.
I give Bush no chances. But you, as part of the American population that voted him in do. What do you plan to do to Bush? Really, tell me what his punishment is. You really think something is going to happen to him? Where have you been living?
I'll tell you what his punishment is. When he looks into our eyes, he will know that WE KNOW WHAT HE IS. A desperate little Quisling of a man, a little thug wanna-be dictator.
And when we look into the eyes of his supporters -- like you -- we also know the truth.
The Founding Fathers made sure that the powers of the Executive Office were weak. They instituted a system of checks and balances, because they knew it would be dangerous for one man to have power.
The thing is, we know that whatever you stand for, it is NOT democracy. It is NOT a republic. It is NOT American. And you can stand at the top of every church, and scream with the power of every device known to man that you are a good, just man who believes in freedom.
But we know better. And we condemn you with the words out of your own mouth.
The mayor and governor didn't think what happened would happen. The freaking canal should have been filled in years ago. The levees are the Army Corps of Engineers problem and all they like to do is dig dig dig.
Louisiana is as corrupt as the day is long. I lived there for years. I love it there, but it's CORRUPT.
LOL! When I was there they were giving people college educations to sign up for three years to be a cop. No one wants to do it! So you get the corrupt cops, the corrupt politicians and when something that is OBVIOUS is going to happen finally does, you blame OF COURSE Bush.
I mean New Orleans when I lived there was full of billboards that read, Thou Shall Not Kill! It's a scary place if you're not careful and there is NO REASON for it except corruption.
They don't give a fuck about crime, or murder or hurricanes.
Idiot yourself!
He does obey the law, except when the need arises. If the need doesn't arise, he doesn't break the law.
My question to you, is, how are you going to require him to obey the law if there is nothing you can do to him if he doesn't?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:58 pm | #
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again. there is nothing i can do about it. does the fact that i can't do anything about his criminal acts make them ok in your mind, you silly cultist?
What, Al? Do you have some more sick things to say to me?
Annie, angel, what sick things are you referring to? Please be specific.
And Annie honey, please don't feel shy about going into detail.
I'm wise to your tricks, Al.
I haven't eavesdropped on anyone, why should I be condemned?
again. there is nothing i can do about it. does the fact that i can't do anything about his criminal acts make them ok in your mind, you silly cultist?
Olaf glad and big (elitist for | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 8:00 pm | #
shoelimpy's answer would be "yes". He worships strength, the boot in the face. He identifies himself with his lawbreaker president.
He can do it all he wants to. But he can't call himself a patriot at the same time.
I haven't eavesdropped on anyone, why should I be condemned?
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 8:02 pm | #
You support it. If you put your arms around a pedophile and said that he was a just and honest man after he bragged about his crime, would that make you free of condemnation?
"again. there is nothing i can do about it. does the fact that i can't do anything about his criminal acts make them ok in your mind, you silly cultist?"
No, the acts would be ok in my mind one way or the other. But I think you are wasting your energy on things that you can't change and focusing negativity on the man who is trying to defend you rather than targeting it at those who would wish to destroy you.
Are you trying to say that Bush is a pedophile now??
No, the acts would be ok in my mind one way or the other. But I think you are wasting your energy on things that you can't change and focusing negativity on the man who is trying to defend you rather than targeting it at those who would wish to destroy you.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 8:04 pm | #
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ok. i'm tired of you. over and out. before i leave let me just say once more:
god, you're stupid.
But I think you are wasting your energy on things that you can't change and focusing negativity on the man who is trying to defend you rather than targeting it at those who would wish to destroy you.
I would rather be dead than be defended in such a way. I could defend this country by locking everyone in their house, and killing everyone who I thought was an evildoer. But it would be a hell to live in. You can't save the country by destroying its essence.
Are you trying to say that Bush is a pedophile now??
No. I'm saying that Bush's moral authority is the equivalent of the moral authority of an unrepentant pedophile.
Bye Olaf!
What would you say is the essence of America, Black Adam? I'm really interested in knowing.
I'm wise to your tricks, Al.
What tricks Annie?
The essence of America:
EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
MAN SHALL BE FREE FROM ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE
I'm sure they are concepts with which you and your president are unfamiliar.
I can't help that, though.
So Annie, does this mean we're boyfriend and girlfriend now?
I am very familiar with those concepts, and I agree with you that they are fundamental aspects of what makes our country so great.
Knock knock, Al.
I am very familiar with those concepts, and I agree with you that they are fundamental aspects of what makes our country so great.
shoelimpy™ | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 8:17 pm | #
Then why do you only pay lip service to them?
freedom is slavery -- you got a problem with that? we can send a nice policeman to help you
Only pay lip service? Explain.
EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW
shoelimpy: "Bush IS the law."
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
shoelimpy: "Until Bush's wiretaps exhonerate you, you're guilty until proven otherwise."
MAN SHALL BE FREE FROM ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE
shoelimpy: "The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution is to be suspended. This is a war.
So Annie, do you have any exercise videos of you, you know, wearing a more aerobic outfit?
I do believe Bush thinks he's me.
I've never said that Bush is the law. He obeys the law, which he is under, but sometimes he doesn't. That isn't hard to comprehend.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If you engage in terroristic activities, then you are guilty. Period.
I believe in all Ammendments to the Constitution. You have no evidence to the contrary. Proof? Link?
I don't know Al, have you ever exercised?
He obeys the law, which he is under, but sometimes he doesn't. That isn't hard to comprehend.
I agree. It proves my point. Bush believes he is above the law.
If you engage in terroristic activities, then you are guilty. Period.
If I thought you were guilty of something, and I broke the law in pursuit of that verdict, any court in the land would throw the conviction out. You are saying The King Should Be Free To Search Around Your House Until He Finds Something.
I believe in all Ammendments to the Constitution. You have no evidence to the contrary. Proof? Link?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fourth Amendment. US Constitution. I'm not going to link to it, because you've undoubtedly heard of it.
I'll give you a link in Constitutional law from FindLaw:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/da...ent04/
01.html#2
History .--Few provisions of the Bill of Rights grew so directly out of the experience of the colonials as the Fourth Amendment, embodying as it did the protection against the utilization of the ''writs of assistance.'' But while the insistence on freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures as a fundamental right gained expression in the Colonies late and as a result of experience, 1 there was also a rich English experience to draw on. ''Every man's house is his castle'' was a maxim much celebrated in England, as was demonstrated in Semayne's Case, decided in 1603. 2 A civil case of execution of process, Semayne's Case nonetheless recognized the right of the homeowner to defend his house against unlawful entry even by the King's agents, but at the same time recognized the authority of the appropriate officers to break and enter upon notice in order to arrest or to execute the King's process. Most famous of the English cases was Entick v. Carrington, 3 one of a series of civil actions against state officers who, pursuant to general warrants, had raided many homes and other places in search of materials connected with John Wilkes' polemical pamphlets attacking not only governmental policies but the King himself. 4
Entick, an associate of Wilkes, sued because agents had forcibly broken into his house, broken into locked desks and boxes, and seized many printed charts, pamphlets and the like. In an opinion sweeping in terms, the court declared the warrant and the behavior it authorized subversive ''of all the comforts of society,'' and the issuance of a warrant for the seizure of all of a person's papers rather than only those alleged to be criminal in nature ''contrary to the genius of the law of England.'' 5 Besides its general character, said the court, the warrant was bad because it was not issued on a showing of probable cause and no record was required to be made of what had been seized. Entick v. Carrington, the Supreme Court has said, is a ''great judgment,'' ''one of the landmarks of English liberty,'' ''one of the permanent monuments of the British Constitution,'' and a guide to an understanding of what the Framers meant in writing the Fourth Amendment. 6
I don't know Al, have you ever exercised?
Lap swimmer Annie, lots a stamina with a real sprint near the end.
Got here real late. Check shoelimpy's blog -- he's just trying to get rid of all those O comment links at the bottom of his posts.
In other words you can't even support your own body weight, right Al?
Got here real late. Check shoelimpy's blog -- he's just trying to get rid of all those O comment links at the bottom of his posts.
I would no sooner visit such a place than I would toss matches to an arsonist.
No places are being searched. Wiretapping is a whole new ball game that had no precedent in the 18th century.
In other words you can't even support your own body weight, right Al?
I'm thinking you'd like to help with that Annie. That's why God gave such big, strong ankles.
Or are you referring to another part of your anatomy?
Tell me you'll drop the Tammy Faye hairspray and make-up though.
bush is one to sit around and talk while people's lives are in danger. that's what he did on 9/11, that's what he has done throughout the stupid war that he started against iraq.
Olaf glad and big (elitist for | Email | Homepage | 12.17.05 - 7:40 pm | #
Exactly. This bozo got "re"-elected not because he's a good leader but because he out-maneuvered Kerry as a politican. (We can all thank Karl Rove.) The problem is these guys have no ideas about how to govern, except to cut taxes. From the veyr beginning, they have been good at nothing at all except how to manage perception. They have been (until now) very good at spinning failures, making convincing excuses, scapegoating Democrats, and so forth.
This is what America gets for putting rhetoric ahead of substance. Though things being what they are, I wish the Dems would get a little savvier about the rhetoric.
Annie, wanna play Jim Baker meets Jessica Hahn?
Annie, wanna play Jim Baker meets Jessica Hahn?
Go fuck yourself Al. Like you usually do you sick piece of shit.
I would no sooner visit such a place than I would toss matches to an arsonist.
I go everywhere. Don't you? It fuels my beliefs.
I will refer you to Berger vs. New York, US Supreme Court, 1940, which stated that the State does not have a "blanket grant of protection" to eavesdrop without adequate judicial supervision.
Furthermore, failing to eavesdrop without a warrant has been a violation of Federal Law since 1968.
Berger vs. New York even stated that such wiretaps, if they went on too long, were indeed the equivalent of a search without a warrant under the Fourth Amendment.
The President is a lawbreaker. He's a lawbreaker under the Fourth Amendment. And he's a lawbreaker under Federal Law. He's a lawbreaker, period.
Some people can't take hearing the truth.
Al, you sick disgusting pervert, why don't you just leave Annie alone? Don't make me come over there and kick your fat ass three ways till Tuesday.
joe, I wouldn't wish to visit his blog because my visit would add to his hit count. Sometimes, hit counts are used to sell ad space, or at the very least, they provide warm fuzzies to the blog-owners.
I do not wish my visit to be interpreted as a tacit endorsement. In this argument, there is no "other side".
Hey, pro-Bushies: why don't you check out this use of the Patriot Act: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/d...05/
a09lo650.htm
Annie, such a pottie mouth. And you pass yourself off as good Christian girl too. Do you talk like that during sex too?
So Annie, where does all the hate come from if you love Jesus like you say you do?
Limpy, and I assume that moniker isn't accidental, I think Annie's been liking it or she wouldn't be coming back for more, ya think?
It's not like she's cheating on you by proxy or anything, I'm just sayin...
And now, of to something more enjoyable than teaching a fool: an episode of "Law and Order: Criminal Intent".
The President is a criminal. And criminals deserve impeachment at best, and the moral contempt of the nation at worst.
Good day.
Night, Black.
I think you and your perverted ass can go take a long walk off a short pier while sucking your own dick dumbass Al.
Al, you make me sick. There is no way I would ever give you a second glance. You are pathetic and probably like being told you are pathetic.
I am so glad you're going to hell.
I do not wish my visit to be interpreted as a tacit endorsement. In this argument, there is no "other side".
No disagreement with that. I just need to find out what people are thinking. Sometimes finding out leaves me feeling completely desolate, and at other times it gives me bits of hope. I don't argue with wingnuts, though -- it seems to be impossible to have serious talks with them. The few times I've been dumb enough to try, I've just wound up being a "concern troll" as far as they are concerned. I gave up.
Later -- must go cook food.
Dump limpy Annie. He's wasting your time. I can show you some "fire and brimstone" you'll never forget, or want to.
while sucking your own
Interesting images you're creating there Limpy. Sounds like the voice of experience, or am I wrong.
See what I mean Annie. He's thinking about dicks when you're right there. There's something terribly wrong with that.
Annie darling, this much I can tell you for sure, we wouldn't have spent today posting nonsense on a blog where we weren't wanted.
Silly girl...
Not wanted? Who are you to say who is wanted here? This blog is open to everyone isn't it? Or is all the shit you claim against Bush double for all Republicans and all the "fair" bullshit you claim to want only applies to those of your same mindset?
Who are you to say who is wanted here? Is this your blog? Are only liberal nutbar sexist assholes wanted here?
Get over yourself, Al.
Annie, you're cute when you get angry. Such a silly girl though.
Want some positive feedback, post more pictures of your legs darlin.
......we're just staring at the test pattern now, aren't we?
Al, you thread killer you.
Show it to me baby. Come on, you know you want to.
Al, DANG, you're good..... 
"Cog, you're useless. It's a cheap shot to wait around until a thread is dead to offer your moronic input. Go away."
I post in the threads when I read them. The only thing I am waiting for is for Atrios to make one honest point without all the juvenile distortions.
I shall have to wait awhile.
"Cog, you're pathetic. I'm surprised your hatred hasn't driven you to enlist. Must be you don't have the courage of your convictions, wussie boy."
Spot on my good fellow. You are getting warmer, the last sentence anways, the first is as moronic as ever.
Just one question. Did Atrios enlist and fight in Afghanistan?
Buahahahahahahhahahahhahahaa! Ah, such a selective chickenhawk.
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