I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Criminy!
FUCK BUSH and Alito
Bosh
Is Alito connected by strings to Cheney?
I might try that when I sign my next bank loan: Write a letter-to-file saying "I don't intend for this to be a legal obligation."
How did Alito pass law school?
These Rethugs are like evil gnomes, working hard to dismantle the Consitution each and every day.
I got your Presidential Intent right here.
Who ARE these people and what kind of country do they want?
and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
...These fuckers are the enemies of the nation. They want the power vested in the President and not in the people. It's shocking and nobody seems to care.
Let's Bork him, Bork him hard!
What makes Alito a fascist? Seems like a buzzword not too many people know the meaning of. For your edification:
Fascism - : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
I don't see any of that here in the U.S. Oh, well, got to head out to WalMart before the crowds get too large. All the best to you folks.
Shit, I just spent 3 years in law school discussing "legislative intent" at least twice a class. Does this mean I have to go back and do it again, this time focusing on "presidential intent?"
um...NO!!!
they really do think they can just make shit up...
US high court nominee urged eavesdropping immunity
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito once argued that the country's top law enforcement official should be immune from legal action for authorizing domestic wiretapping if it was done in the interest of national security, newly released documents show.
In a 1984 memo written when he was an assistant to the solicitor general, Alito said: "I do not question that the attorney general should have this immunity."
The memo was among scores of other documents released by the National Archives on Friday. It came to light as U.S. President George W. Bush faces criticism for secretly ordering eavesdropping on the international phone conversations and e-mail of Americans suspected of links to terrorists.
What makes Alito a fascist?
They are king makers. It's worse frankly.
BORK ALITO
that fascist shitwhistle should never be allowed to again defile the US courts, for any reason.
indeed, there seems to be enough information now emerging (where the fuck was this research when the fascist fuck was first proposed for the Fed bench?) to IMPEACH the fascist shitheel...
So now I'm beginning to wonder if Harriet Miers was just a feint. This guy is exactly what they have been looking for.
Pitchforks and torches time...
Big Darkness
come soon.
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Bork Alito.
I beg your pardon?
Preznitial intent? has not this fellow heard about the tripartite system of government?
fuuuuuck.
Is it time for some mass coordinated action, e.g., calling ALL dem senators on the same day when they return from Xmas telling them to bork this guy?
So now I'm beginning to wonder if Harriet Miers was just a feint. This guy is exactly what they have been looking for.
ql in ny - 9:15 am
that was, if you recall, precisely what i said--to much skepticism and scoffing, iirc--at the time of her nomination.
a stalking horse was the term i used.
i hate being right all the time...it scares me a little, too: thinking about that about which i am likely also correct, i mean, but yet to be vindicated by facts...
The best way to get the average mouth breathing winger to think twice (well, once maybe) about these 'Preznit gits ta do whutevah he wants ta do' proposals is to start your first sentance with : "So let me get this straight, under your plan President Hillary could do what?
Morning 'bats, 'sup?
Is it time for some mass coordinated action, e.g., calling ALL dem senators on the same day when they return from Xmas telling them to bork this guy?
res ipsa loquitur 9:18 am
there is not enough spine in the whole top rank of the DINOcrap Party for that kind of united, CONTROVERSIAL public action...
6:18 here. Finally getting sleepy....
Oh, and WGG is correct, he did predict this and we were wrong to doubt him.
Jeebus Alito's a fascist.
And the angry left wonders why no one takes them seriously.
but yet to be vindicated by facts...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
Oh, I agree on their aim. No question in my mind but that they are going for absolute power.
I wonder if it would work here. Let's face it, we can't control Iraq, a country of 25 million, less 30,000, give or take. how the hell will they be able to maintain total control here?
there is not enough spine in the whole top rank of the DINOcrap Party for that kind of united, CONTROVERSIAL public action...
No, I'm talking us, i.e., blog readers. Everyone calls his/her senators (both of 'em) on the same day. Get it out here, Kos, MyDD, etc. It's all we can do.
Mrs. Marchbleed and I just got back from 2 weeks in Europe, mostly business but some sightseeing (Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Maastricht).
It was actually a pleasure not having to listen to American news media for a while, just getting info from an occasional internet cafe visit (France was cool except for their weird computer keyboard configuration.) to keep on the fascist follies here.
To their enormous credit, my European friends continue to display amazing patience with America. They still mostly admire us and are treating Bush and the rethugs as the (hopefully curable) disease that they are.
Nevertheless we were glad to crash in our own bed last night and to be back home for Christmas.
Merry Christmas, fellow Atriots!
takes them seriously.
benny
That's nice, dear.
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Yes, he doesn't LEGISLATE from the bench alright.
Talk about making something up out of your ass.
Jeebus
I wonder if it would work here. Let's face it, we can't control Iraq, a country of 25 million, less 30,000, give or take. how the hell will they be able to maintain total control here?
I HEARD THAT!
-- The NSA
Mena,
What are you doing still awake?
how the hell will they be able to maintain total control here?
ql in ny-- 9:25 am
they're already doing it, i think: with advertizing, low wages, and endemic fear...
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I don't know if fascist is necessarily proper from this opinion.
Incredibly incompetent lawyering might be though.
Harriett Meirs wouldn't come up with something so pathetic.
Let's all write about why fearless leader should resign "for the good of this once proud nation" and "return integrity and the rule of law" to Washington as a "beacon of hope" to those "suffering under the yoke of fascism" on this important holiday. Just to fuck up the wingnuts Christmas.
Oh, and WGG is correct, he did predict this and we were wrong to doubt him.
catalexis - 9:23 am
'Enk yoh veddy much...
What about NTodd's Intent?
"Officer, I know that the speed limit is 35, but my interpretation is that the limit is for people who aren't nearly as good at driving as I am, nor in as much of a hurry."
It's a good day to be a blogger.
Executive branch control, on the corporate executive model, perhaps? It's probably a pay grab, too.
The MLA is meeting in DC next week.
I suggest that all 10,000 of them head over to Alito's place and beat him soundly with copies of Wimsatt & Beardsley's 'The Intentional Fallacy'.
This memo by Alito about a signing statement is such bullshit. He is basically suggesting that the text of the legislation doesn't matter if it is trumped by a signing statement after the fact. A signing statement could completely contradict the will of the people. His ass must lead to a very strange place for him to be able to pull this out of it.
What has not been publicly acknowledged is that N.S.A. technicians, besides actually eavesdropping on specific conversations, have combed through large volumes of phone and Internet traffic in search of patterns that might point to terrorism suspects. Some officials describe the program as a large data-mining operation.
Whoa! That's most of us here at Eschaton who've posted anything that was, ahem, unflattering to the King.
Wow!
He's a neo-con, alright. They want to run the government like a business, from the top down.
Moonbootica,
Did you see my posts before, I got the wizardreplica Chloe purse I ordered. Very nice. Soft supple leather, detail impeccable. My sister will be pleased.
what the hell is going on in american law schools to turn out these fascists. is there ANY discussion of the u.s. constitution and bill of rights in the curriculum. and i'm still waiting for any rationale why john yoo is teaching at one of the leading law schools in this country.
Pharonic, isn't it? The Great Pyramid of Ku-fuck-up.
how the hell will they be able to maintain total control here?
Fluoride in the water
His view of Presidential powers is the real reason Alito was nominated. WHen Meirs was nominated the president or one of his toadies made comments about Meirs viewing the executive powers the same way they did.
and toothpaste and sprayed as chemtrails.
Oh, and Aspartame in the pop drinks etc.
This alone should get him rejected. Whether it will remains at issue.
but i'm sure we can all be reassured that chuck schumer will ask the hard questions, and no doubt, force alito to disclose his favorite movie.
Can we as American citizens sue George Bush (and Gonzalez I guess..) over the domestic data-mining? Pehaps a massive class action suit. We could get the ACLU to sue BushCo on behalf of us all (or 49% or us or a few hundred thousand or whatever). The harm would be the violaton of the right to privacy established in Griswald and affirmed in Roe and codified into the FISA law and laws against unreasonable search and seizure (these laws against warrentless searches come from the the 4th amendment I'm being told). The remedy would be they would have to tell what Americans they have a file on and if any of those files were a result of warrently searches or taps, they would have to pay and destroy the file.
Since they're data mining everybody, we all have standing. The harm or this monitoring of American without cause would be easy to show..
What do you think? Certainly 40 million or so suing Bush for a violation of their constitutional rights would be a helluva news story.
Someone downstairs asked for a link to the Mao book hoax.
I wonder if it would work here. Let's face it, we can't control Iraq, a country of 25 million, less 30,000, give or take. how the hell will they be able to maintain total control here?
MAybe they won't be able to maintain total control but do you really want to live in a place in which you may either get picked up by the 'Alito police' or blown up by the freepers who have finally noticed that they are no longer 'free'?
Oh wow, I better go, KAZAAM is on HBO!
Ho-ly Christ.
I just felt my heart sink to the floor. This isn't even fascism, it's idolatry.
Armando. You need to find another dictionary.
You definition is linked to the Nazi flacvor of fascism. There's many flavors. Fascism goes back to Roman times.
Among other things, it generally is the idea that certain select few are smarter than most others; thinking and governing ought to be left up to those wiser few; it's okay for the few to lie to the masses, it's for their own good...
Go to Orcinus blog and you will find a good white paper on fascism.
"Legitimate intent" - "President's intent"
In The Stoned Ranger's case, opposites.
"Defy" is only one letter away from "deify."
I'm sorry; I don't understand what possible relevance the President's intent might have with respect to a piece of legislation. I thought everybody knew that the legislative branch makes the laws. What the executive branch thinks about the laws is utterly irrelevant.
Forget about where he went to law school: where did this guy go to high school?
my "sources" tell me that harriet WAS a feint, but that BUSH™ didnt kow it...it was suggested to BUSH™ knowing that he would go for it..."sure, shes qualified, why not?", but that whomevers in charge (is i Cheney?) knew she'd be the straw dog, & clear the way for someone more scalia-esque...
Armando. You need to find another dictionary.
I think Armando needs to add the tags next time. At least, that's how I read his comment...
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Armando/benny, go type this into your Google window:
"Ways of Looking At A Brownshirt" Eco
If you dare, that is.
I will note that the very fact that the NYT's reporters are suddenly acting like reporters after years of non-stop GOP/Bush stenography is a very good sign. If they were still 100% in the tank for Bush, this article would never have been written.
You definition is linked to the Nazi flacvor of fascism. There's many flavors. Fascism goes back to Roman times.
the word references an ancient symbol of roman power, but the practice of it as we recognize it today stems from the late 19th and early 20th Century.
The Roman Catholic Church is likely the institutional model, from which Mussolini derived its essential principles.
Mussolini himself said it should better be calle 'Corporatism,' since, fully realized, it is the fusion of the mortal power of the state with the economic power of the Corporation.
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And the angry left wonders why no one takes them seriously.
I've got news for you, sunshine.
The "angry left" is the majority in this country.
Next part of the quoted paragraph:
"...unless the President is a Democrat, at which time, we'll invoke a strict-reading of the dead-constitution emphasizing the separation of powers and checks and balances."
Notwithstanding the obvious problems with Alito that have been pointed out and explained very well in this blog, I do have a serious question because I am not familiar with how this works. I was not familiar with Legislative Intent before reading about it here. What would be the problem with adding Presidential Intent to it (of course, not replacing it). I know that we wouldn't want something overtly political, like the ridiculous letters sent out from the IRS about the 2001 tax cuts - twice. NOT looking for a flame response, just a general understanding of what the issue is here. Thanks.
This is why he was picked. Cheney and w don't care about little preborn americans. They care about grabbing power for themselves.
I'll bet if they look at Roberts he has the same beliefs.
Why did anyone think w chose Harriet?
One has to understand "fascism" as "extreme statism". The Republican lawyers seem to be hell-bent on copying "Fuehrer prinzip", the principle that the will of the Leader is the ultimate criterion about what is lawful and what is not. (And yes, absolute monarchs use this principle too, at least some of them.) And is this principle dangerous if it will be used only in the time of war?
A Mussolini's dictum comes to mind "every man needs a little war".
About "Presidential intent" -- President does not make laws, and veto power does lend a power to REINTERPRET a law that is still warm from the Congressional printer. Congresscritters debate a law first, which means that the meaning is somewhat clarified by the debate, hearings etc. But they do not publish separate documents.
Mind you, veto can be overridden, but how one can override the "Presidential intent"? Either this intent has no meaning, so why bother, or it would have a meaning, and that puts the process on its head.
"Corporatism" is not merely about business corporations.. the rot is far deeper.
It's the principle that individuals don't exist, only interests. This is also a major tenet of libertarianism. The only difference is that fascism is explict statism, whereas libertarianism is implicit plutocracy. Neither has any use for individuals or for individual freedoms except as rhetorical devices.
I F Stone called the US version "crypto-fascism" back in the 69's. The difference was that Goldwater lost.
And let me pimp John Raulston Saul's "Voltaire's Bastards" on the subject.
What would be the problem with adding Presidential Intent to it
The Congress writes the laws. They may take input from the executive branch as to the content of the legislation, but ultimately, all a president (even a fake one) has to do is sign the bill or veto it. It doesn't matter what that person thinks they're signing, or what their intent is when they sign the law. They have plenty of opportunity to discuss the bill with Congress and determine what the legislative intent is before they decide whether to endorse the legislative intent, by signing it.
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