I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Get the Chalk !
I'm sure we got some number Three's though !
2d?
Brutality.
Hey, I bet we at least got Al Queda's number THREE guy on that strike!
They all look the same, how can we help if the wrong ones get bombed? (/freep)
the Bush Junta are idiots.
their blundering is killing innocent people.
Would the killing of Ayman al-Zawahiri be a turning point in the war on terror?
Yes 28% 1883 votes
No 72% 4779 votes
Total: 6662 votes
We probably acted on Pakistani Intelligence and wiped out a group who was actually closing in on Al- Zawahari.
Nice going, assheads. Way to win that battle for their hearts and minds.
Didn't Bush utter the cute quip about going to war because he didn't "want to hit a camel in the butt"?
I guess women and kids don't count.
USA!! USA!!
Take that, pesky villagers!
What a fucking embarassment...
the CIA does so much for us and doesn't ask for anything in return!
The treadmill turns ever faster....
Drones? They haven't the guts to kill civilians up close and personal? Your tax dollars at work.
TWELVE OF THE MINERS ARE ALIVE! and...oh, wait...
atrios, you left out some key facts:
"Eight other brown men, five brown women, and five brown children, however, are in fact dead."
so it's all okay after all
they had it coming. they aren't a part of the Culture of Life.
See how Bush's pre-emptive approach works? If we hadn't bombed these people to smithereens, we would never have known Al-Zawahari wasn't there.
We got #3-#20. They're in their last throes. They are getting desperate. We know where they are hiding their nuclear weapons.
When are the dems ever going to challenge the media? Or better yet buy media outlets? Why do thye take this shit from the media w/o a wimper. David Letterman showed how it is done. The media will continue to either: a) repeat GOP spiin w/o verification, b) play the he said/she said angle-even when the GOP is baldly lying, and b) deny acess to democrats to run ads while giving free time to swift boat GOP. Think about it-the GOP tried everything they could to try to shut down Move on. The failed, so now they just dont allow them to spend the money they collect.
One question at this point is whether the Pakistani official protest is just for show, or if real consequences will flow from it.
Indiscriminate use of cellphones will do it every time.
oops.
embarrassing.
Let me guess: another wedding party blown to pieces?
Are we winning the "war on brown people's weddings"?
now did these 18 people have cellphones?
I'm guessing we don't hear about every bombing/assassination attempt. Why do you suppose we heard about this one, given that it didn't reach its intended target...
Could it be a warm-up for bombing Iran, for instance?
jesusmotherfuckingchrist. and any of the goodwill that has been generated thru the u.s. military's response to the pakistan earthquake is obliterated in one murderous airstrike.
why in the fuck do people not understand it's the utter incompetence of this administration that is THE threat to national security. damn.
We're all wedding cake on the inside.
y'know, there may be some merit to this whole cell phone=terrorist thing.
Can I cap the next asshole who cuts me off on the freeway while yacking on his cell?
AP: Soldiers Upgrading Armor on Humvees By RYAN LENZ and JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writers
Sat Jan 14, 4:25 AM ET
TIKRIT, Iraq - Soldiers exposed to Iraq's increasingly lethal roadside bombs, which can rip through armored Humvees, are drawing on wartime experience and stateside expertise to protect their vehicles with stronger armor and thermal detection cameras
Part of the Rove campaign. Swift boat Murtha, lie about killing an Al Qaeda commander, and cover their ass on negligence re: troop safety.
Bush bounce time? Shit splatters. Bush will splatter. Zogby polls show a majority favors Bush impeachment.
Check out the NYT story on this. It's pure Pravda.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/1...-afghan.html?
hp
I predict in a week ABC will be reporting that we captured the #2 Al Quaida guy. Then days later they will report at the end of the show that nobody has been caught. The dems need to put a stop to this shit right now or election season is going to be rough to them. Rahm Emmanuel should ask publicly, whether the media outlets will sit on information that will help the republicans again, like they did in '04. This will get the media on the defense.
They'll just keep claiming to have killed ... disproof doesn't matter. Just like the 9/11 and Iraq link. Repetition.
This isn't as bad as Klintoon's wag-the-dog destruction of the aspirin factory.
kind of makes you wonder who we water boarded to get the information that he was there.
from zeppers link to the NYT:
Witnesses from Damadola said 14 of the dead belonged to one family and included several women and children. Sahibzada Haroon Rashid, a member of Parliament who lives in a village near Damadola, said he saw a drone surveying the area hours before the attack.
"The drone has been flying over the area for the last three, four days, and I had a feeling that something nasty was going to happen," he said in a telephone interview.
"I was awakened from deep slumber by the noise of the drone and then, together with thousands others who too had been woken up by the plane's noise, saw jets targeting the area," he said. "One plane circled the area and dropped illuminating flares and the other planes fired missiles. There were loud explosions."
He said the planes' targets were three houses, all belonging to jewelry dealers. "The houses have been razed to the ground," said Mr. Rashid, who said he had visited the scene. "There is nothing left. Pieces of the missiles are scattered all around. The impact of the explosions have been huge. Everything has been blackened in a 100-meter radius."
Is this where I whine about how I posted this in an open thread three hours ago?
Or do I just take my rock and go back to trick-or-treating?
Just because we bomb the wrong people a lot doesn't mean we should stop bombing altogether! Bombs don't have an indefinite shelf life, you know.
At least Private Jonah can still get a chuckle out of it. After all, they were in the same hemisphere as Al Zawahiri.
Pakistan protests US strike on al-Qaida
Pakistan has summoned the US ambassador to protest against an air strike targeting Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaida's deputy leader, that killed 18 villagers.
Pakistani officials said on Saturday that al-Zawahiri was not at the site attacked and regretted the loss of civilian lives.
"The US ambassador will be called to the foreign office," Shaikh Rashid Ahmed, the information minister, said, adding that a protest would be lodged over the attack on Friday in
which, according to residents, 18 civilians were killed and three homes destroyed.
Thanks for the link, Zepper:
This is the second report of an American attack on civilians in a Pakistani tribal region in recent days. Eight people, including women and children, were reported killed last Saturday when a helicopter fired at the house of a local cleric in North Waziristan close to the Afghan border.
Pakistan lodged a strong protest with coalition forces on Monday, but said it was still investigating whether the missiles had been fired from Pakistani airspace or from Afghan territory.
Lime Rickey -- perhaps it is worse, taken in isolation.
But BooschCo has made Bombing the Wrong People Based on Flaky Information official military doctrine.
I remember seeing Hitchens shed giant crocodile tears over the aspirin factory.
Sorry about that, Chief.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. When will you libs learn the realities of this world?
Bush bounce time? Shit splatters. Bush will splatter. Zogby polls show a majority favors Bush impeachment.
So what Bush does not need a bounce. He needs the media. A majority do not like most of what Bush is doing. Will the media report this? No. We saw the siftboating of Gore by the media, the swiftboating of Cleland by the GOP-while the media said nothing. The swiftboating of Kerry, and the playing down of the TANG story, while Rather had to resign. And the pattern of refusal of meida outlets to play dem commericals. As long as the GOP has the media, Bush could nuke Hawaii and the media will cover for him and the GOP still will be in power. See what the repubs understand and the dems dont is that approval rating dont matter anymore, if you have the media on your side.
There must have been some tall people in the group.
And it's proof again that we have the best intelligence in the world.
Somewhere in this country. Just not in government. And what intelligence we have, we don't know how to use.
But it's okay! We don't need people! Our technology will save us!
Our drones worked, after all! Several potential terrorists are now dead!
We don't have to lock 'em up in Gitmo!
(Anybody else starting to think Gitmo is a metaphor for the world, but W. and Cheney? That if we could just establish "Fortress America" and declare the rest of the world our prison, we would be "safe"?)
At least Private Jonah can still get a chuckle out of it.
maybe we can send the million and a half dollar bill for this courageous operation to Private Jonah and his pals, since they support no-knock, strip-search, death-squad law-and-order for freedom
Of course they did this bombing on a Friday, hoping nobody will hear about how they fucked up.
I remember seeing Hitchens shed giant crocodile tears over the aspirin factory.
Atrios
You forgot to add, "giant 80 proof crocodile tears"
So little regard for human life. Bush is the president of the United States and a murderer.
It's incredible really.
Hey, SPE -- do human beings normally die when you make breakfast?
Spare me your fucking cutesy metaphors. If you're so behind the BooshCo Wars, say what they're doing -- killing lots of innocent human beings.
That should be "for W. and Cheney" in that last parenthetical rant.
Blast. Preview is my friend.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
you could give george w bush a cookbook, 3 eggs and a hot frying pan and still end up with nothing but a FIERY WRECK
Just because we bomb the wrong people a lot doesn't mean we should stop bombing altogether! Bombs don't have an indefinite shelf life, you know.
Max Planck
Hell, yeah! Use it or lose it!
Every red-blooded American male knows that!
Fuck it. We'll peel off a coupla $100's and drop em at the survivors' feet. Go get yerself sumthin' nice.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
A Bush Omellette is where you through the yolk and egg white away and eat the shell.
through=throw
argh!
Fuck it. We'll peel off a coupla $100's and drop em at the survivors' feet. Go get yerself sumthin' nice.
Max Planck
More like when we attacked that wedding party, and the excuse was: "Well, what were they doing in the desert in the first place?"
That'll be the line. They shouldn't have been there.
Or been tall.
It should be obvious no that this band of thieves and murderers can't do anything right.
Like Barney Fife, an adult needs to take the bullet away from them and send them home.
They'll just keep claiming to have killed ... disproof doesn't matter. Just like the 9/11 and Iraq link. Repetition.
Exatly. And the media will help them accomlish this. What do you think would happen if an elected Dem ws on Tweety's show and just cup him off, and said," I've been watching your show for years, and it seems as if you have a problem with dems and that you campaingn for repubs. You talk about the sunny noblility of Bush and the manliness of Cheney-even as they screw up. Are you a journalist or are you a GOP operative. You constantly critisize any dem especially Hillary. What should dems do in your opinion. Support Bush and agree with whatever he says? You are not objective anymore."
Just because we bomb the wrong people a lot doesn't mean we should stop bombing altogether! Bombs don't have an indefinite shelf life, you know.
Max Planck
Sideshow Bob: "Best if used before 1959".
you can't make a bush omelette without beating a torturing several thousand eggs
Well, there's a new thread already in the timeit took me to read the link,
but OMFG! What a disaster! We just blew up 18 innocent people, including 5 children, without governmental authorization on the territory of a supposed ally! A supposed ally with nuclear weapons!
How in a million years could they dream of pulling such a bonehead play? What is Musharraf going to do now? Suck it up? Protest lamely and then suck it up? The guy is barely hanging on as it is. Now there will be giant, homicidal hordes of people out in the streets, crying for American blood.
What could possibly be so important about getting this guy that we would howitzer ourselves in the foot like that?
These guy truly must be going for the End Times. There is no other explanation.
My daughter, BTW, is now learning about Nazi Germany.
Yesterday, with no trace of irony, she told us about Hitler, whom she learned was scared of blood (literally couldn't stand the sight of it), and couldn't stand to see animals harmed.
Yet, she said, he killed so many people, and started a huge war.
And she said a lot of Germans didn't support him rabidly; they were just scared.
I didn't make the obvious connection. It was too easy.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. When will you libs learn the realities of this world?
Funny how it's always somebody else's eggs that get broken, never yours.
Actually, why not say that in plain English, rather than bumper-stickerese? "We have to kill a bunch of innocent people in order to get (or in this case, not get) one guilty one." How does that sound? And why not apply that to domestic policing as well? So the next time there's a burglary in your neighborhood, they can just carpet-bomb your whole fucking block.
A Texas Souffle is where you apparently eat the menu...
Like Barney Fife, an adult needs to take the bullet away from them and send them home.
pie
Andy Griffith. Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Mick Shrimpton?
David Dreier (R-Closet) was on Larry King with Maher as guest host. He cited the killing of Zawahiri (sp? sorry) as one of the reasons--along with our strong economy--as one of the reasons he's proud to be a republican. Even if we had got this guy, and just this guy and not five children (I mean of course, nascent terrorists who hate our freedoms), would this be something to brag about? That after almost five years we finally got the assistant to the guy most responsible for 9-11. Maher, to my genuine surprise, let him get away with it. David Gergen, to no surprise, let him get away with it. George Mitchell, to my disappointment if not surprise, let him get away with it. Then I turned off the TeeVee, opened a book and a bottle of GSM.
OT: Dreier also panted about the Codpiece's great leadership; see my list of surprises and disappointments that no one mentioned Katrina or My Pet Goat.
Got oil?
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The FDA would approve of the morning after pill if it looked like a laser guided bomb and only arab women could take them....
University of Wingnutia
Thought for the Day
If those so-called innocent men, women and children didn't want to get blown to smithereens they would have pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and gotten the hell out of a place where so many people appear swarthy and suspicious - they were just askin' for it. What better way to send a message of deterence than five smart bombs to the noggin.
Shouldn't we be trying to capture this big #2 honcho, see what intelligence we can get from him, etc, instead of just dropping a frickin' bomb? Aren't we supposed to be trying to get Osama bin Laden? What good does it do to just kill the #2 guy?
And what kind of straight-shooting, riding-a-white-horse Texan uses a god damn robot to drop bombs in little kids!
This administration is all hat, no cattle.
HA! CNN is funny. They get the Pakistani Foreign Minister on the phone to talk about if this guy was killed or not. Dude immediated cuts off Tony Harris and announces Pakistan is launching a formal protest over the airstrikes. Tony seems a bit shaken. Says, "bu, but, but our sources say the information came from Pakistani intel, isnt that right right?" Dude says no, that's not right and oh how bout this: Of COURSE, mass anti-American protests going on right on in the streets of Pakistan.
...hmmm hadn't seen that on any US traditional media.
Anyway, Tony tries to get back to if the guy was killed or not and dude pretty much just cuts him off and the interveiw is over.
Then, unbeleivably, they go to the Asian chick and she spends the next 15 seconds blubbering about if the guys is dead or not and they're doing DNA testing and conflcting information. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room.
CNN running from a huge story dumped right in their lap. Pakistan says this airstrike a violation of international law and their sovreignty. Now on to house call with Jerry Willis...
OBTW, five minutes before this live bit of direct evidence that CNN is nothing but a mouthpiece for BushCoGOP, they had some stern looking white guy with a "military expert" type of title saying:
"It's a big blow to AQ that this guys is dead. It's a big blow to AQ that this guys is dead. It's a big blow to AQ that this guys is dead. It's a big blow to AQ that this guys is dead... you know.. if he's dead."
I remember seeing Hitchens shed giant crocodile tears over the aspirin factory.
Atrios | 01.14.06 - 11:45 am | #
And I remember how the GOP/Media Axis gleefully attacked Clinton over this. Even though a) the attack took place at night so that no civilians would get nailed, and b) bin Laden really DID own the thing, at least in part, and c) it was producing stuff besides aspirin.
In other words, three mitigating circumstances.
The killings of the Pakistani civilians have NO mitigating circumstances, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they made up the Mick Shrimpton angle after the fact in an attempt to justify them.
Mick Shrimpton is, despite reports to the contrary, apparently still alive.
CNN Poll (lower RH corner): Is Atrios getting funnier?
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The Truth - CNN is the most cowardly of all the cable news networks, imho. They are VERY intimidated by Rove Inc. RNC talking points 24/7. Wimps.
This shameful story is not going to go away by ignoring it in the US media, btw. Chimpy is not making us safer!!!
Pakistan Condemns Purported CIA Airstrike
By RIAZ KHAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 31 minutes ago
An AP reporter who visited Damadola about 12 hours after the attack saw three destroyed houses, hundreds of yards apart. Villagers had buried at least 15 people, including women and children, and were digging for more bodies in the rubble.
Villagers denied hosting al-Zawahri or any other member of al-Qaida or Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime, and said all the dead were local people.
More than 8,000 tribesmen staged a peaceful protest in a nearby town Saturday to condemn the airstrike, which one speaker described as "open terrorism." Police dispersed a smaller protest in another town using tear gas. A mob burned the office of a U.S.-backed aid agency near Damadola, but nobody was injured, residents said.
It says a lot about this administration that they are willing to bomb noncombatants if it means they MIGHT kill enemies. Likewise, it is generally considered bad diplomatic form to drop bombs on the citizens of a nation that you are trying to be allies with.
You know, I thought operations like this was what our Special Forces was for. Don't we want to take these bastards alive? What image would hurt the terrorists more, one of their leaders dead and surrouded by innocent muslim women and children, or a US Army doctor checking Al-Zawahiri for head lice?
"Would the killing of Ayman al-Zawahiri be a turning point in the war on terror?
Yes 28% 1883 votes
No 72% 4779 votes "
For every non-involved person we kill, we probably create "a" person capable of trying to do harm to an American citizen. We also create "thousands" of sympathizers who would be willing to say "serves them right."
Doctors told AP that at least 17 people died in the attack, but residents of Damadola, a Pashtun tribal hamlet on a hillside about four miles from the Afghan border, said more than 30 died. They recounted hearing aircraft fly overhead before explosions in the village that were felt miles away.
Speaking as he dug through the rubble of his home, Zaman said he heard planes at around 2:40 a.m. and then eight huge explosions. He said planes had been flying over the village for three or four days.
At another destroyed house, Sami Ullah, a 17-year-old student, said 24 of his family members were killed and vowed he would "seek justice from God."
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"This victory over Al-Qaida brings the war on terror within measurable distance of its end."
Your official WH mouth of Sauron.
Photo of the destruction
the caption:
Pakistani tribal villagers view damage caused by airstrikes in the northwestern village of Damadola, near the Afghan border in Pakistan, where 17 people killed, Saturday, Jan 14, 2006. Villagers whose homes were destroyed in a U.S
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There's a fine line between clever and stupid.
Hey, what the heck, our robot plane goofed. Happens. Or didn't happen, rather. My bad.
Plus it's a good idea for us to kill innocent civilians in a precariously radicalized Islamic nation that has nuclear weapons, don't you think?
Isn't assassination from the air great? except when the cia acts on false info and all the casualties are 'collateral'. perhaps we need a new definition of national security.
Can't these Pakastani's understand we have a right to cross their borders, bomb whatever we feel like, and take out 10 woman and children in our quest to kill the terrorists?
Pakistan should just continue to help us, because after all we're all in this together.
The robot was obviously a threat to spread WMD and was not of our making...
The real terrorists fuck up again!
"Eight other men, five women, and five children, however, are in fact dead."
Been happening all the time to Muslims for years now. From a letter by Israeli Jew Dr. Daniel Amit to Physical Review E explaining his refusal to review scientific work researched in American institutions:
"What we are watching today, I believe, is a culmination of 10-15 years of mounting barbarism of the American culture the world over, crowned by the achievements of science and technology as a major weapon of mass destruction. We are witnessing man hunt and wanton killing of the type and scale not seen since the raids on American Indian populations, by a superior technological power of inferior culture and values. We see no corrective force to restore the insanity, the self-righteousness and the lack of respect for human life (civilian and military) of another race."
United States of America: HYSTERICAL CUNTS
The first thing we do is kill all the drummers.
It doesn't matter if we win the hearts and minds that we splatter across the countryside.
Jeebus.
So, I'm gussing everytime we know we missed any possible target and hit innocents, we leak that we hit an al qaeda guy, so that when reports come out that we fucked up horribly, we can say, "but but bu we almost killed a bad guy!"
So why doesn't Mushie declare this as an act of terrorism, round up every single CIA operative and consign them to some dungeon as "enemy combatants" without a hearing or trial?
It'd be fair turnabout.
Whoever had the bright idea to launch this attack WILL eventually get All of the people they seek .... cause they'll all be burning in hell together.
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