I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
gas prices went up the day after the electioin here.
Oh mer!
Ruth--they went down a bit for Christmas here, but now they're on their way back up. I think it's a tactic to make us grateful that we're *only* paying $2.59/gal for regular.
Ouch.
something for every season
Wait a minute, I have dibs on baiting mer.
oh fuck!
It's all war, all the time
Ahmadinejad's opposition to gay rights in Iran.
He also denied the Holocaust, as did Pat Buchanan, esteemed guest on cable TV.
Damn, I had to feed to dogs. Not fair.
haliburton has to make money somehow.
Haven't I seen this one before, I think I TiVo'd it.
Wow, that's probably exactly right.
So anyhoo, Atrios, given your track record, should I put $20 on the Patriots to beat the spread?
Wow, that's probably exactly right.
So anyhoo, Atrios, given your track record, should I put $20 on the Patriots to beat the spread?
and oh, the complicit media....
Well, I hope you are wrong Atrios, and we can instead be watching the indictments pile up. But I would have never predicted we would end up so far down the rabbit hole as we are now.
déjà vu
I don't doubt this scenario.
But then again, those Iranians are fucking crazy.
Go back and read the prognosis Richard Clarke gave to a war with Iran in "Against All Enemies". He wrote that there was no fucking way we'd win.
Sally put down the knitting needles and back away slowly.... yeh, ours are back up now, too, altho crude oil is down.
Fuck, doesn't anybody have the courtesy to post sheets anymore? What are you, a bunch of Democrats or something? Jeez.
Reposting:
T2--it is, however, permissible to take breaks and watch porn.
Tried. Doesn't help.
Serious, Grandmere, its my kids' future that makes me so sad. I care a lot, about my country and about their country. But it's lost, done and ruined. It really just is. And that's why tears are running down my face this morning, as I woke up realizing that Alito is inexorably in and that the Dems are doing nothing serious about it. We're fucked, my children are fucked, and New Zealand has drunk hateful Santa Clauses so wtf am I going to do anymore?
I wish to hell there were a real battle being waged. Then I'd fight like hell, mainly for my kids. This slow inevitable ruination is too painful to keep paying close attention to; I guess that's what I'm saying.
When do the concentration camps for islamofascists and preogressive union and science supporting liberal types open?
Oh, yeah, after they're sure the Diebolding will work.
With only 25% of the vote actually going to Republicans in the fall, this one might present some challenges to steal.
Ruth--what really pissed me off is that they destroyed my project. I asked them if I could cast off and save the knitting and they could have the needles. No go.
but, war is pizzaz - no?
and once they gain the control, in order to get the oil from s. america, they'll have to have a draft.
but don't worry, only the poor and brown people will have to go.
And in 2008, a war veteran is nominated by democrats. a new group fastplane crops up from the sands of odessa, and puts out an ad in luboock that the democratic candidate was awol for half of his tenure in the airforce. the national media broadcast this 24/7 as news, and dick armey becomes the new president.
Election Day - Democrats lose 5 seats in the Senate, 30 in the House.
that's about how i see it...
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Election Day - Democrats lose 5 seats in the Senate, 30 in the House. Marshall Wittman blames it on the "pro-Iranian caucus."
The Day After Election Day - Miraculously we never hear another word about the grave Iranian threat. Peter Beinart writes a book about how serious Democrats must support the liberation of Venezuela and Bolivia.
Sounds about right to me. The GOP knows that only 1 day in November matters. Low approval ratings dont mean anything. Duncan left out Timmey, and Broder. Soros, where are you when America needs you?
Well if that is how it is going to play out, and we know it in advance, we may as well pack it.
Nina Totenberg said something really funny yesterday. She pointed out that with Alito, w was playing to his base. But she said, the dems have a base too. I wish the fucking DLC would realize that and play to us once in awhile. Especially with the midterms because historically it is the base that turns out for those elections.
I'd chime in here, but my snark tank is on fumes.
My only complaint is that you neglected to include Senator Lieberman's ringing words of eternal condemnation regarding Bush's usurpation of the legislative branch's authority to declare war.
Ruth--what really pissed me off is that they destroyed my project. I asked them if I could cast off and save the knitting and they could have the needles. No go.
Sallyh-WTF? They confiscated the yarn? The only reason I can think for them to do that is that what you already made was done with sharp things. And therefore, according to the laws of homopathy, the yarn took on the properties of the sharp things.
/snark
Sorta OT:
Remember, with wingnuts, "linked to terrorists" means "went to the same halal butcher once."
Duncan nailed it, btw. That's exactly right.
Perhaps we should be looking for another Shah
sallyh, wouldn't they let you pack it into your luggage? or was that already gone?
jeesis, all that work! i know, cuz i knit and crothet a bit.
I'm sure some brave souls like Howard Dean, among others, will say this is a load of crap. The thing is, will they be allowed on talk shows? Probably not.
I think it's a tactic to make us grateful that we're *only* paying $2.59/gal for regular.
Sallyh,
Exactly.
"Heh how come you're banging your head with a hammer"
"Cause it feels so good when I stop"
Is that cash or credit BTW?
And in 2008, a war veteran is nominated by democrats. a new group fastplane crops up from the sands of odessa, and puts out an ad in luboock that the democratic candidate was awol for half of his tenure in the airforce. the national media broadcast this 24/7 as news, and dick armey becomes the new president.
2009- Bill O Reily bashes dems for not going along with President Delay's plan to start concentration camps for Americans Iranian "supporters".
her eyes--no, they wouldn't. I hope that's changed by now.
"Ringing words of condemnation?"
From Lieberbiden?
Surely you rave.
But she said, the dems have a base too.
Fucking word.
But less of one every day. Whatever they had yesterday, minus one, this morning. And they keep playing to the middle.
I hate hate hate this, but function is partly right.
Soros, where are you when America needs you?
Live Free or Die
Add my name to that call!
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The only part of Atrios' scenario I might dispute has to do with whether there will be an actual hostile act against Iran.
I think one 'suspected' enrichment site will be hit, if not by the US, then by Israel with the regime's sotto voce approval.
Thoughtcrime does not entail death:
thoughtcrime IS death.
-George Orwell (1984)
--what really pissed me off is that they destroyed my project. I asked them if I could cast off and save the knitting and they could have the needles. No go.
Caftans of mass destruction.
*head in hands*
I just can't go through this again... just can't.
Hello Canada......
My only complaint is that you neglected to include Senator Lieberman's ringing words of eternal condemnation regarding Bush's usurpation of the legislative branch's authority to declare war.
Randolph Carter
LOL - Very good point, as if!! Seriously, the dems should pull an "intervention" on that guy - he needs to be detoxed from the Kool-Aid!! I often wonder if they've already tried.
Well, that's settled, I guess.
Might as well start voting Repug, since it's already determined that there's nothing we can do.
2010: NBC institutes ban on letting Dems on any TV show. Says it jeopordizes National Security and encorages the terrorists.
Spinoza--The yarn had metallic thread in it. It wouldn't pass the metal detector. I shit you not.
i haven't flown since 2003.
i hope it has changed.
... gas prices went up the day after the electioin here.
Actually, you know when gas prices went down? Right after those oil company executives lied their asses off in those Congressional hearings, and we started hearing some noise about "perjury" and "indictments."
Now that it's all died down - boom!
Yeah, when the repugs play their fear card, all the gutless wonders that call themselves repugs wallow in fear and their own crap. And they'll play it just before the election to sway the discussion away from what they don't what discussed in the open...that they're miserable failures...the whole damn bunch!
Ahmadinejad is a CIA plant.
Tena:
I'm not saying that. I'm just extremely disillusioned with the cowards in the Senate Democratic caucus, and I don't think anything we do will give them backbones.
her eyes--at least they don't grope you and make you stand there in a little camisole.
sallyh - you need to get a name and get some one to call them from Iraq, afghanistan, Turkey, somewhere. And stop doing those suspicious maps.
T2, I refused a job in a campaign not so many years ago and it was successful, the one I did work in was not. I walked away from the whole bunch.
The elected guy wiped out in one term, ending up with a RThug turning him out of office. I should have stayed in the game, should not have turned my back, I could have helped.
Spinoza--The yarn had metallic thread in it. It wouldn't pass the metal detector. I shit you not.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 1:33 pm | #
well, it is obvious you were going to hold the flight attendent hostage with the yarn until they poured you more wine!
whatever were you thinking? 
If they can recycle the hits, so can I:
Iran's (So Far Away) - A Flock of Liars
Although we've made Iraq a zoo
I never thought we'd plan a war with you
Plan a war with you
But they’re so good at telling lies
The kind of lies that hypnotize me through
Hypnotize me through
And Iran, Iran's so far away
We'll just bomb
Iran all night and day
You couldn't get away
A cloud appears above your head
As tons of bombs come raining down on you
Raining down on you
The cloud is moving nearer still
You better get your children out of view
Your children out of view
And Iran, Iran's so far away
We'll just bomb
Iran all night and day
You couldn't get away
Whatever facts don't fit the case
Are slowly disappearing from my view
Appearing from my view
But we know Bush will try again
I'm floating in a sea of lies with you
Sea of lies with you
And Iran, Iran's so far away
We'll just bomb
Iran all night and day
And Iran, Iran's so far away
We'll just bomb
Iran can't get away
And Iran, Iran's so far away
We'll just bomb
Iran all night and day...
I should have stayed in the game, should not have turned my back, I could have helped.
How would you have stayed in the game? By helping the Democrat you disliked stay in office? Do you think he could have won? I'm really asking.
they made you stand there in a camisole?
holy shit!
Wow, is today Whiny Ass Titty Baby Day?
Count me out.
Thanks, Atrios, for a reminder that you bring more to the table than a sharp eye and quick reflexes. It's writing that throws the real issues into relief, and this post is fine stuff.
Oh,yes, the dangers of Iran will be a fine distraction from all the crimes and incompetency that people are finally starting to wake up to.
2007: Duncan is arrested by NSA for encouring subversion and helping terrorist.
2015: Appeals court rules that Duncan can have acesss to a lawyer
2017: Goverment drops case against Duncan and sends him to state court on chages of masterbation.
What confuses me about this whole Iran issue is Bush hinting that Iran would automatically attack Israel the instant they get a nuke.
Who would be dumb enough to doom their own country to a nuclear wasteland? Obviously other countries would retaliate.
The least Bush could do would be to say "We want to keep the upper hand over Iran and prevent them from creating a mutually assured destruction scenario in the Middle East."
But, I guess, that doesn't play well in wing-nuttia.
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Spinoza--The yarn had metallic thread in it. It wouldn't pass the metal detector. I shit you not.
I would be very scared of things that go woof in the night.
How would you have stayed in the game? By helping the Democrat you disliked stay in office? Do you think he could have won? I'm really asking.
T2, Enervated Patriot
I know you are. By helping out the Dems after he won, anyway. He wasn't evil, just too in league with some who were, and not nearly so bad as to work against public interest. And to keep on critiquing.
The Day After Election Day - Miraculously we never hear another word about the grave Iranian threat. Peter Beinart writes a book about how serious Democrats must support the liberation of Venezuela and Bolivia.
How many times can the boyking cry wolf!! I'm praying that the voters will come to their senses soon. The polls seem to show a shift. The trouble is, Americans believe strongly in their institutions - and it's hard for them to see just how bogus and corrupt things have become under the watchful eye of Bushco.
You forgot the late August Consitutional Amendment to "protect marriage" and the Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky regional "Homosexual Re-education Camps" bacome all the rage.
her eyes--my point is, it's all so silly.
In the meantime, they still don't Xray the cargo bays of planes. How stupid is that?
Wow, some fuckwit Wall streeter predicting a great year! Don't these idiots pay any attention?
T2--check your email.
The way I see this scenario that Atrios/Duncan has put forth...
We need to change that course. Duncan has it right...this is the way it will happen, IF nothing is done NOW!
Yes, I get it!
I'm afraid that it'll be more than an election year gimmick--that Chossudovsky is right about the U.S. and Israel planning strikes in the next month or two, long before the fall.
As Ken Macleod argued in a recent blog post, they're taking a big gamble. They know it could turn into a big clusterfuck, but they're hoping that it WON'T MATTER if Iraq turns to chaos if the U.S. gets the political benefit of demonstrating to the whole world its willingness to use nukes as an ordinary tool of imperial enforcement.
But it could very well backfire--a destabilizing coup in Pakistan, say, putting real nukes in fundamentalist hands. Or in the longer-term, solidifying the Eurasian bloc as a rival nuclear superpower.
What it really boils down to is that they know they've fucked up big time; they have very little left to lose, and everything to gain. They're doubling down on a bad bet.
Wow, some fuckwit Wall streeter predicting a great year! Don't these idiots pay any attention?
Is he investing in Mine saftey?
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Vinnie--if you're a rich Chimp crony, it'll be a great year.
For the rest of us? Eh, not so much.
Thanks, Ruth. I still just don't see it anymore. I used to call for a 30-year fight, like the neocons did after Goldwater lost the nomination. But at least they had a clear leader and a wealthy funder (Scaife). We have no leader and we're so underfunded that AAR is starting to charge for podcasts. I just don't see the percentage in it anymore.
Maybe it's just my mood this morning, but the Alito disaster, for some reason, has just ruined me today.
The wildcard would be when the Iranians sign a mutual defense pact with their puppet government in Baghdad.
T2, I've read your comments since you started posting here, what, a month or two ago?
If you are having a bad day because of the Alito fiasco, I can understand. But you seem like you are an asset to the progressive movement. Please don't give up yet. We need every good soul out there right now.
Now have to run by the office, arghhhhhh.
I think we may be forgetting the "Iranian Terra Alerts" of the late Summer and Fall.
"Orange Alert" declared by new Homeland Security Czar Simone Ledeen!
Sallyh, my thinking is this:
xray-ing the cargo bays isn't very PUBLIC and probably a lot of people don't see that, so why bother to do it?
groping women, confiscating knitting, taking shoes off to go through metal detectors-- all that helps to feed the fear.
Been watching "Syriana," Atrios?
Love,
What it really boils down to is that they know they've fucked up big time; they have very little left to lose, and everything to gain. They're doubling down on a bad bet.
That's what I'm afraid of.
I think what possibly may be a major monkey wrench in this scenario is the prospect of $100+ per barrel oil...
http://www.mph-online.com/web/news/00276
The Iraq debacle has primed the pump for public cynicism over Bush's motives. That, and $4 a gallon gas might do the trick as far as making this ploy backfire.
Thank you very much, mer. That is incredibly sweet, and incredibly heartening.
Wow, some fuckwit Wall streeter predicting a great year! Don't these idiots pay any attention?
just more pacification for the masses.
Sallyh: did you remember to strip out the antispam letters on my email?
T2, I suggest you take some time off and work out some frustration at the gym or a old punching bag or some bread dough.
You'll feel better. Honest.
When the whole house of cards comes crashing down, it'll be Mussolini time. And the crazies will be at the head of the line.
Wow, some fuckwit Wall streeter predicting a great year! Don't these idiots pay any attention?
When haven't 90% of Wall Street fuckwits predicted a great year?
They have an economic incentive to gin up the buying.
T2--sent you email, but it bounced.
You need to go hang with the kids. And come back for Scifi liveblogging.
Really, you're a great progressive soul, and we all have days like you're having now. But that's what this group is great for--when one gets tired, the others all pick up for him or her.
this is the way it will happen, IF nothing is done NOW!
My existential question remains: why does anyone think anything other than "this is the way it will happen EVEN IF something is done now"?
That's my bugaboo today in a nutshell.
T2--didn't, but I will try.
T2--tried it, see if it works.
Thanks, everyone. I'll log off and go do something that doesn't involve screens and does involve kids. I think the combo of Alito and my checks being stolen and some other stuff is just weighing on me.
I appreciate the support.
Sallyh, I took the antispam letters out of my email, fwiw.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, Ruth. I still just don't see it anymore. I used to call for a 30-year fight, like the neocons did after Goldwater lost the nomination. But at least they had a clear leader and a wealthy funder (Scaife). We have no leader and we're so underfunded that AAR is starting to charge for podcasts. I just don't see the percentage in it anymore.
This is good analysis. The GOP had an ideology-though they hid it from plain sight. They had Goldwater. They had a mission (to influence the media) and an unmuddled message. And they had money. Dems have Dean, but most of DC does not appreciate him. Dems have acess to money, but it is being spent in all the wrong places (not the media. Dems have no consistant message that tell people what they are about. They have no narrative, no strategy. Until these thing change, dems will continue to lose despite having the issues on their side.
I *finally* got around to seeing Syriana last night and was mostly curious about people's reactions. My friend and I were outraged, angry, repulsed. We guessed there would be a goodly segment that would not believe any of it is remotely realistic and it doesn't matter anyway (the nonvoter profile), and then there's the odd assortment of social Darwinists and sociopaths whose reaction is "How do I get in on that action?" (young republicans, trolls, and neocon supporters).
Don't watch the news for a day, and all of a sudden the CIA is randomly bombing pakistan.
ya know, one of these days, somebody's just gonna decide, 'fuck george, we can take your ass down a notch or two with a couple of well-placed tankers self-destructing; maybe call in a bank loan or two or just wait for the next friggin hurricane season that's bound to be a doozey'.
these imminent threats are becoming very tiresome.
Sadly, yes.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is exactly what happens.
I've not flown since 2002 and I've already turned down one job because they demanded I fly to HQ for the lobotomy.
I think large amounts of money in the hands of rethuglicans constitutes WMDs and that they should be disarmed immediately.
When the whole house of cards comes crashing down, it'll be Mussolini time.
Every time I say I'll log out, I'm wrong.
This is a really important point. I blogged about the relationship between the economy, fascism, liberalism, and progressivism here. Part of a series of posts about how fundamentally screwed our economy is looking right now. My punch line is:
Want to know the difference between Progressivism and classic Political Liberalism? The economic climate. In good economic times, people can afford to be generous. Those are the best conditions for Progressivism, or Neoprogressivism. In bad economic times, people can't afford to be generous; rather, they're in desperate need of it themselves. Those are the best conditions for government paternalism. And, in some cases, the same conditions can lead to fascism, as in Weimar Germany. Now, I'll choose liberal paternalism over fascism during a Depression: FDR instead of Hitler. But neither a welfare state nor a fascist state is on my wish list for America.
Anyway, buckle your seat belts, folks, 'cause we may be in for a bumpy ride. I'm thinking 1929, not 1980. Hope I'm wrong.
I made that up all by my lonesome. But then, I have a law degree and spent 15 years as a litigator, so I'm an expert on everything under the sun. Neener.
T2--seriously, time to go play with the kids. Come back for Scifi liveblogging. We guarantee you'll laugh, if only at Eli's commentary.
T2,
The way I look at it is this. Like WGG I fought my way through the '60s and '70s. What are they going to do?
Take away my birthday?
And if they do, so what? They can't wipe out the birthdays of a whole population.
Why can't we spin our own fucking fairy tale to the detrmine of the Republicans?
Diane: Sure they can. And have. But that's just crazy talk...
OK, I really want to leave and play with the kids. But first I have to know: what's SciFi liveblogging? I feel so ignorant.
What pisses me off is it all comes down to money. That is so wrong in so many ways.
what's SciFi liveblogging?
MST3K at it's bloggiest.
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Freedom is marching around the world and the libs cant stand it!
Why can't we spin our own fucking fairy tale to the detrmine of the Republicans?
Cthulhu | 01.14.06 - 1:54 pm | #
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
Writen by: John Lennon
oh wait that didn't work...
"Why can't we spin our own fucking fairy tale to the detrmine of the Republicans?"
We can! It'll be full of Operation Paperclip nazi's, SRI and CIA mind-control experiments, pedophilia, satanic rituals, etc. The truth hurts!
You mean here during MST3k?
What channel? Is it on Basic?
MST3K at it's bloggiest.
where?
You mean here during MST3k?
No, we pretend like we're MST3K and make snarky comments on bad sci-fi shows on Sci Fi channel or other...
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yawn. mornin' folks.
hasn't that wanker been impeached yet?
On a lighter note, the temp dropped from 66 to 33 degrees since Thursday. We actually have snow spitting from the sky here in East TN.
Freedom is marching around the world and the libs cant stand it!
Next time we send freedom marching around the world, can some of it stay at home in the US?
Dieselcreek: Somehow I've missed that. Is there a special bat time, or just whenever, like sports?
hey dirk gently, you didn't specify *which* wanker! we have so many you know! 
Freedom is marching around the world and the libs cant stand it!
i'd prefer freedom dancing around the world. marching is so militaristic.
T2
It's the Eschaton version of MST3K. You take the regular sci fi channel primetime movie and a running commentary is kept on it here on Eschaton. Unfortunately, you either have to be in the Eastern time zone or have a satellite dish to participate fully. But as someone on the West Coast and with no dish, I still find it entertaining.
We guarantee you'll laugh, if only at Eli's commentary.
Hey! Don't laugh at my commentary! It's cold out, and there's, um... shrinkage.
I've said too much.
Freedom is marching around the world
Yeah, yesterday, we freed some Pakistanis from their bodies.
It was very, um, freeing.
Do we all remember right after the African Embassy bombings, when Clinton had a Pharmaceutical plant, that was built with funds from Osama Bin Laden, bombed at night because we were given strong evidence that it was being used to make weapons? I think a night guard might have died in that attack. The Republicans and the national press went absolutely bat-shit crazy, telling everyone this was a war crime and he only did it to distract the public from his child molestation of a very willing 25 year old intern. I think we had to pay resitutions.
So today we all read that we have bombed a village in Pakistan and killed 18 people, more than half women and children (from some accounts) in their sleep because we have received information that a single terrorist may have been hiding there. And the government and the national press says..... oopsie daisey, we missed.
I guess the Bush administration and the American public never heard of Karma. But it exists.
Troll freedom actually prances, but not when it thinks the other folks from their church might be around. Mostly it happens out-of-town.
hey dirk gently, you didn't specify *which* wanker! we have so many you know!
her eyes | 01.14.06 - 2:02 pm | #
pick any five!
but i am holding out for the top fish. cheney.
mer, that weather is heading our way!
it's about 65 degrees and pouring rain, and the temp will drop tonight and then snow tomorrow.
there's an old saying in n.e. if you don't like the weather, stick around, it will change.
Dieselcreek: Somehow I've missed that. Is there a special bat time, or just whenever, like sports?
Usually 8 or 9 pm. FX channel usually shows bad sci fi around this time..
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Usually 8 or 9 pm. FX channel usually shows bad sci fi around this time..
9PM EST, Sci-Fi East.
Shhhhh Eli's here.
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In 2008 they're going to have to make up a country named "Irab."
(actually, I guess it's EDT right now, right?)
maybe freedom could slink around the mideast for a while.
it's slinky! it's slinky! freedoms a wonderful toy!
it's slinky! it's slinky!
it's fun for a jew and a goy!
Shhhhh Eli's here.
What? Where?
*looks around nervously*
Thank you, Toonscribe!
Now I can go mix myself a blender drink of frozen bananas, protein powder, Prozac, Zoloft, Welbutrin and Levitra, put on some happy music from a better time, and do something in the real world that doesn't involve politics and hopefully reminds my children that they do have a father and not just a keyboard bot.
Thank you, everyone who tried to cheer me up. Go fuck yourself, freedom-marching fascist troll.
'Bye, all.
dirk, that was good.
But now I'll have that damn ditty playing in my head for the rest of the day.
wow, having almost a whole year's worth of republo-fascist news in adavnce...How convenient. Think of all the time and anticipation this saves.
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In 2008 they're going to have to make up a country named "Irab."
So... we have at least 25 more invasions to look forward to. More if they can convince us that there are Middle Eastern countries with numbers in their names.
singing,
Eli's coming, better walk
Walk, but you'll never get away
No you'll never get away from the burn and the heartache
I walk to Apollo by the bay
Everywhere I go
Eli's coming (she walked but she never got away)
Eli's coming (she walked but she never got away)
Eli's coming and he's coming to get you mama
I'm down on my knees
Oh broken heart
(my son, also named eli, hates that song )
So... we have at least 25 more invasions to look forward to
Hmmmm. Maybe we should have Iraq break up into various countries. Then we could invade each one so the wing-nuts can feel better about themselves.
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i love it when dirk sings, he has such a lovely voice! (sigh)
Is this like the hurricane naming thing and when we run through all the letters we start invading IraAlpha and IraBeta etc.?
More if they can convince us that there are Middle Eastern countries with numbers in their names.
Crap! Stop posting funny things so I can leave!
By '08 there definitely will be Iraq #1, Iraq #2 and Iraq #3. And we'll be at war with 2 of them, and Turkey will be at war with the third.
In my attempts to make liberals rich too, I would suggest taht you guys load up on energy focussed mutual funds. Fidelity has at lease three of them. You will make a bundle. I did that at beginning of GWI as well as GWII and was richly rewarded.
And if you feel guilty making money off war, donate all profits to UNICEF to piss of OReilly.
Atrios, that's it exactly. I want the name of your crystal ball reader.
Or, in an alternate universe, when this nonsense starts, all of the Dems GET TOGETHER and point out what's going on, thereby allowing everyeone to see that the emperor has no clothes on. In the fall, the Dems take back the house and the senate.
I don't know if you read these or not, Duncan, but you have absolutely outdone yuorself this time. Absolutely brilliant!!
Thanks
Jim
I hope DARPA is working on an 'Invade-o-Matic' so we can save some good tax player money.
But now I'll have that damn ditty playing in my head for the rest of the day.
pie | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:07 pm | #
that's the wonder of blogging!
in real life, i sing a little. then people throw things and i have to stop.
Isn't it funny how all, and I mean all, of the "chatter" and vague threats stopped immediately after the election and we've not had even a yellow altert since then? And no one will call them on it?
wow, having almost a whole year's worth of republo-fascist news in adavnce...How convenient. Think of all the time and anticipation this saves.
I find it mostly depressingly plausible - but as with Daou's analysis, it ignores the possibility of additional indictments or convictions, which would reduce Bush's political clout (and staff) and Republican congresscritters' electoral viability (or participation).
Nice thing about indictments and convictions is that they're immune to spin. Yes, they can be spun a little after they occur, but all the bloviating right-wing talking heads can't influence the outcome one little iota. I just wish the legal process wasn't the only thing they can't influence.
Update 6: Test Shows Activity in Sharon's Brain Lobes
A test has shown activity in both lobes of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's brain, but he remains comatose and in critical but stable condition, Hadassah Hospital said Saturday in its first update on the Israeli leader's condition in more than 24 hours.
Experts said activity in both lobes didn't indicate anything about the extent of the brain damage Sharon may have suffered as a result of his devastating stroke on Jan. 4.
"It is another piece of information that on its own means nothing," said Dr. Gal Ifergan, a neurologist at Soroka Medical Center in Beer Sheva, who is not treating Sharon.
mmmm. Maybe we should have Iraq break up into various countries.
that's almost a given.
In my attempts to make liberals rich too
Big corps already pay me more in a week than most people see in a month. So, no need to worry about us talented, self-made liberals.
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Update 6: Test Shows Activity in Sharon's Brain Lobes
can they give one of those to bush?
(my son, also named eli, hates that song )
I am also... not a fan. Theoretically, I should *love* a song with lyrics like "Eli's coming, hide your heart, girl", but somehow I fail to.
The "liberal media" must be stopped.
Nothing changes (for the better) until then.
Al Qaeda claims US helicopter strike
Al Qaeda in Iraq has claimed responsibility for the downing of a US military helicopter near the northern city of Mosul which killed two pilots.
"Our lions in Mosul ... succeeded to shoot down a US helicopter on Friday by targeting it with medium-sized weapons," said an Internet statement attributed to al Qaeda.
The statement's authenticity could not be verified but it was posted on a Web site often used by insurgents.
I just wish the legal process wasn't the only thing they can't influence.
Eli
My thoughts exactly.
I just wish the legal process wasn't the only thing they can't influence.
Watched any confirmation hearings lately?
Wow Atrios. You're like, physic.
gee thanx anonymous for the blood money tip why didn't you add the security companies so we could also profit off owr dwindling civil liberties!
Tena:
I'm not saying that. I'm just extremely disillusioned with the cowards in the Senate Democratic caucus, and I don't think anything we do will give them backbones.
T2
Babe, I wasn't commenting on your comment.
I was commenting on Atrios' post.
It looks hopeless, no?
Funny how it works. Some days I am filled with optimism and feel almost like I'm waking from a long nightmare. And in some ways the system is actually working. Delay out as leader and facing criminal charges. Rove on the run. Scooter out. The whole K Street project shut down. Ralph Reed tanking. What's not to optimistic about.
Alito on the court. Bah. If he gets on they'll manage to screw it up somehow, they always do. I bet Scalia leaves sooner rather than later. Or Alito will be caught in a threesome with Jimmy/Jeff and Karen Huge the dominitrix. heehee. Hmmm. For some reason my dirty imagination can't come up with anything better. Must be time for a cup of tea.
mrs dirk says 'are you on eschaton again?' and offers this as a greeting to y'all.
http://www.dailykitten.com/
I recall there is/was a town somewhere in the Middle East (maybe Iraq) that was called T-4 so the idea of naming with numbers isn't so farfetched.
Well, it only takes rats about fifty times to learn the maze...
i try and be as postive as I can be.
but somedays it just gets too much.
Isn't it funny how all, and I mean all, of the "chatter" and vague threats stopped immediately after the election and we've not had even a yellow altert since then? And no one will call them on it?
Hecate Malificent
But there is a fresh outrage everyday. To be fair, nobody can keep up.
Watched any confirmation hearings lately?
True, true. But the indictments and convictions are being pursued by very skilled, professional, non-partisan prosecutors, and decided by (hopefully) non-partisan juries, correct?
OT:
RIP, Shelley Winters...
Back to you in Iran, Duncan.
I am also... not a fan. Theoretically, I should *love* a song with lyrics like "Eli's coming, hide your heart, girl", but somehow I fail to.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:12 pm | #
in my son's case, it's probably because i sang it to him as a baby. i think i've mentioned my singing prowess earlier.
Moonbotica, from below,
blerb we (in this reguard Britain) had that in the 18th century and that did not work out very well.
CHrist HAloscan is giving me trouble!
I posted another response down there that got mangled. If this is what you have to say, it is still clear to me that I am not communicating what I am talking about effectively.
I'm not talking about anything even remotely resembling the government by the landed gentry that England had in the 18th century. They didn't even have universal suffrage than. That was not even a serious movement in Britain until Chartism in the early 19th century, and as you know it did not become a reality until much later even than that.
Again, when I say "elite", I mean a self-selected de facto elite, the qualifications of which are evaluated by a universal, hopefully informed, electorate.
As much as I rue cases like Jesse Ventura or Aaaaahnold, I would not dream of instituting a formal test for candidacy or wrse, of disenfranchising anybody to avoid them. I believe that educating the electorate as much and as well as possible is the only solution to that.
Or Alito will be caught in a threesome with Jimmy/Jeff and Karen Huge the dominitrix.
i don't know whether to laugh at this or break out the brain bleach!
Now, let me get this straight:
I'm supposed to run, screaming, everytime I see someone who "looks" like a terrorist?
Has this country ever turned into a nation of cowards!
RIP, Shelley Winters...
Wow. Not really a fan, but I think I always assumed she was immortal.
it's probably because i sang it to him as a baby
Evil baby torturing liberal!
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Iran on nuclear collision course
There is a strange-looking building alongside the headquarters of the Iranian Atomic Energy Organisation, in its spacious compound in north-central Tehran.
It looks like an early attempt at a modernistic mosque. There is a big, rather flat dome, with a tall, square column sticking up beside it, that could be a minaret.
But this is, in fact, the Tehran Nuclear Research Reactor - and there is nothing particularly secret about it.
I'm supposed to run, screaming, everytime I see someone who "looks" like a terrorist?
Well, yeah, but you should remember to call the cops or FBI first.
I am also... not a fan. Theoretically, I should *love* a song with lyrics like "Eli's coming, hide your heart, girl", but somehow I fail to.
Eli
I loved Three Dog Night in high school.
Just got done reading Chuck Negron's book, "Three Dog Nightmare" and what drugs did to THAT guy.
Reinforces my opinion of drugs....never understood the attraction, never tried them, never had any desire to!
Mike
That was H-4. Actually it is an old pumping station on the old oil pipeline to Haifa that was shut down by Iraq after the 67 War IIRC. There has been talk of rebuilding it. I've read various articles about that in Ha'aretz (sp?).
i try and be as postive as I can be.
but somedays it just gets too much.
Moonbootic
I feel ya.
I have been noticing an increasingly pessimistic, defeated tone in the posts of Atrios and other liberal commentators that I have enjoyed and whom I respect.
Have you also noticed this? This particular post by atrios really brought it home to me. I know that with so many Americans just not at all bothered by Bush completely disregarding the Constitution, but it is not time for us to give up.
I was involved in an email exchange yesterday with someone from redstate.org and finally, I told him that I, like many Americans will not lie down for a fascistic regime. I told him that there are many Americans, me among them, who will fight and die to maintain our freedoms, even if it's other Americans we have to fight. This is not a joke to me or something I say lightly.
This latest post by atrios sounds like he's resigned to the scenario he describes. I am not. Just because our snarky tones and cynical attitudes have not been enough this time to send the right-wing scurrying back to their holes, it doesn't mean that they cannot be defeated, but it does mean that it's not going to be a fight we can win with words alone.
Please, if you believe the ideals of our country and the values expressed in our Constitution are worth preserving, let's hear it. And let's hear what you're willing to do to keep it.
It's pretty easy to get depressed by what's going on and what we can see is about to happen. Listen to some music. Eat some good food. Seduce your lover. We're in for a marathon, not a sprint.
blerb, I'm not really trying to suck up, but I wanted you to know that I really enjoy reading your posts.
"Wow. Not really a fan, but I think I always assumed she was immortal.
Eli"
Didn't you see the Poseidon Adventure? She MUST be immortal.
This is a media hoax.
Has this country ever turned into a nation of cowards!
I had this wing-nut at my blog yesterday telling me I'm a big scaredy cat because I don't like being spied on, and at the same time he is shaking in his boots over Al-Queda. These guys must never think though their arguments- just puke it out.
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I'm supposed to run, screaming, everytime I see someone who "looks" like a terrorist?
did i mention that i got "patted down" on my flight back from milwaukee?
they put a big red "S" on my boarding pass, then at the security checkpoint circled it in red marker and cheerfully told me i had been selected for additional screening. o joy!
fwiw, i have sicilian heritage and gave up on the beard becaus it made me look too arabic.
gee, i so enjoy a middle-aged male security guard running his hands up and down my legs. and knowing that if i make the wrong joke about it i could be shot in the head.
blerb ok you have stated your view but I don't think your system will work in pratical terms.
Reinforces my opinion of drugs....never understood the attraction, never tried them, never had any desire to!
With ya there. And my high school roomie would have just *loved* to turn me on, too.
Oddly enough, I apparently made more sense when *they* were stoned.
try and be as postive as I can be.
but somedays it just gets too much.
Moonbootic
I feel ya.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:20 pm | #
Instant cure:
http://cuteoverload.com/
Freedom is marching around the world and the libs cant stand it!
Speaking of freedom, can you tell us who won those elections they had in Iraq a few months ago?
It's scary how much like Chomsky this post sounds.
"But it's just the truth"?
"Obvious"?
Exactly. People forget that Chomsky has been criticizing the media - in particular the 'intellectuals who server power' like Beinart - since long before the blogosphere. Even avowed Chomsky-hater Eric Alterman's book couldn't help but build on Chomsky's critiques.
Funny, that.
The point is that Atrios has been courageous enough to point out an obvious pattern - let's see if he's ridiculed for it, or if his blogo-credence is strong enough to help him weather the storm.
The next 'leap of logic' is to start seeing a pattern of U.S. foreign intervention that is not just specific to Bush's follies, but Republican follies. And then onto Democratic Administration's follies. And then you're in Chomsky-land. Scary!
My favorite Three Dog Night songs were "Easy to Be Hard" and "Out In the Country."
But, but, but, Iran is REALLY a threat this time! We wont fuck it up this time WE PROMISE!
gee, i so enjoy a middle-aged male security guard running his hands up and down my legs. and knowing that if i make the wrong joke about it i could be shot in the head.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
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Or that walking into an airport now means that you accept that risk.
Freedom is marching around the world and the libs cant stand it!
You spelled "Fascism" wrong.
Heil Bush!
Pope-On-A-Rope, the frustration stems from knowing that our own power is very meager and limited when compared to that of the media and the Democratic establishment. The Democrats are ineffectual, weak, and often self-destructive, while the media is actively aiding the Republicans.
It's hard not to be defeatist when you know that the absolute best and most you can do can be easily neutralized by one Democratic misstep or media decision to ignore or misreport.
Reinforces my opinion of drugs....never understood the attraction, never tried them, never had any desire to!
With ya there. And my high school roomie would have just *loved* to turn me on, too.
Oddly enough, I apparently made more sense when *they* were stoned.
Eli
I've always wondered what terrible things happened to these people, why their lives were so shitty that they felt they needed to "self-medicate" in order to deal with it.
Somebody said a ways up that it always comes down to money and that's right. It takes money to launch these adorable wars of theirs. Even as they try to do it on the cheap. Still takes $ and at the rate Bush is spending it and cutting taxes it can't last. This will end not when people catch on, or run out of fear and hatred. That's endless. It ends when they can't afford it anymore. I mean if we make noises at Iran, won't China get mad as Iran supplies China oil? Does China have any leverage over us. Why I believe they do.
Evil baby torturing liberal!
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dieselcreek | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:17 pm | #
mrs dirk was worse - she used to sing them old english ballads about girls who got in "trouble", killed their infants, and were later haunted by the baby's ghosts - stuff like that. beautiful melodies, she has a lovely voice, but the stuff of nightmares.
while i sang things like "wonderful baby" in a key unendurable by the human ear.
I had this wing-nut at my blog yesterday telling me I'm a big scaredy cat because I don't like being spied on, and at the same time he is shaking in his boots over Al-Queda. These guys must never think though their arguments- just puke it out.
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dieselcreek |
So why isn't the asshole over there fighting them so we don't have to fight them here?
It's hard not to be defeatist when you know that the absolute best and most you can do can be easily neutralized by one Democratic misstep or media decision to ignore or misreport.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:25 pm | #
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
just accept it.
Ya know, the 2 hour version of Wag the Dog was much more entertaining than the 8 year version =x
they put a big red "S" on my boarding pass, then at the security checkpoint circled it in red marker and cheerfully told me i had been selected for additional screening. o joy!
On a recent trip I saw this happen twice to older ladies in wheel chairs.
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Pope on a Rope - I had the strangest conversation with a young guy at the Apple store last week.
I've chipped a bunch of the keys on my keyboard and I was talking to him about replacing them. He said: "wow, you must be angry - you've hit those keys really hard to chip them like that."
I said: "I am. I'm a liberal, we're angry as hell."
He said to me (this guy could not have been 30 yet):
"Please don't start a civil war. Please. It will go against everything you believe in. Please don't."
I had no idea there were people out there scared that there may be a civil war because the instransigence and the hardening of positions has made it impossible for the right and left to talk to each other any more.
You can take it for what it's worth.
Go back and read the prognosis Richard Clarke gave to a war with Iran in "Against All Enemies". He wrote that there was no fucking way we'd win.
Sam Loomis
We've already lost in Iraq.
How many more deaths does Chimpy want on his bloody hands?
"did i mention that i got "patted down" on my flight back from milwaukee?
fwiw, i have sicilian heritage and gave up on the beard becaus it made me look too arabic."
--dirk gently, sociopathetic
More likely, they have a LIST of commentors at Eschaton.
Kidding (hopefully), of course.
Has this country ever turned into a nation of cowards!
yes.
that may be the most despicible part of it all.
but then, most bullies are cowards.
Glenn Reynolds muses, sadly, that Democrats aren't just anti-war, but "on the other side."
Certainly I'm on the other side. What kind of moral imbecile would take America's side in the war on terror? Anyway, it's not a war -- it's barely an inconvenience, for Americans, but for Muslims it's been perpetual slaughter since before Clinton.
I've chipped a bunch of the keys on my keyboard and I was talking to him about replacing them. He said: "wow, you must be angry - you've hit those keys really hard to chip them like that."
that is really funny.
Freedom is marching around the world and the libs cant stand it!
You know what's odd about a statement like this (beside the fact that it's wrong), is, for once, the right is showing it's disdain for the isolationism that has dominated their platform every time there is a Dem in charge. Righist foreign policy has consistantly inconsistant for the better half of a centruy.
I wish that apologists for the right would wake up and see this. Probably asking for too much, though.
It takes money to launch these adorable wars of theirs. Even as they try to do it on the cheap. Still takes $ and at the rate Bush is spending it and cutting taxes it can't last. This will end not when people catch on, or run out of fear and hatred. That's endless. It ends when they can't afford it anymore. I mean if we make noises at Iran, won't China get mad as Iran supplies China oil? Does China have any leverage over us. Why I believe they do.
Not just money - it also takes people, and the recruiters aren't exactly lighting it up, for some strange reason. So unless we're talking about a pure air war, which doesn't make any logistical sense to me, they would have to institute a draft, which really *would* be political suicide. Unless they can trick a Democrat into introducing a draft bill again...
Does anyone on the Right actually *realize* that China has leverage over us? The Bushies sure as hell don't act like it.
The United States absolutely will not, cannot invade Iran. Period. The funny thing is that Iran knows it, and will laugh their asses off every time the United States rattles its sword. Sure, this may be good for the Republicans' electoral chances, but ultimately it's foreign policy disaster for America ...
If these knuckleheads truly loved their country, they'd be looking to fuel the economy from some source OTHER than one that is plentiful in the world's tinderbox.
My favorite Three Dog Night songs were "Easy to Be Hard" and "Out In the Country."
I'm partial to "An Old-Fashioned Love Song", myself. That fuzzed-out organ at the beginning gets me every time. Paul Williams (how many people here remember him!) could write some good tunes when he put his mind to it.
"One Is the Loneliest Number" also rocks.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
just accept it.
bingo
Smart bad, stupid good.
Sex bad, war and violence good
What's so frustrating about the scenario Atrios posits is that the Dems will get taken in again. It's as if they're incapable of learning. What's that Bushism? Fool me once, fool me, fool you once . . . won't get fooled again!
"Please don't start a civil war. Please. It will go against everything you believe in. Please don't."
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Wow. So it hasn't even come to that, but we already get the blame.
Time to storm the Bastille, Sallyh? Knives sharpened and all?
More likely, they have a LIST of commentors at Eschaton.
wahOOOOO! i'm on a list!
take THAT, holden!
fuck YOU, o'reilly!
Best way to guarantee long life? Be al Qaeda's no. 2 man?
Best way to die in a hurry? Be al Qaeda's no. 3 man.
My favorite Three Dog Night songs were "Easy to Be Hard" and "Out In the Country."
I'm partial to "An Old-Fashioned Love Song", myself. That fuzzed-out organ at the beginning gets me every time. Paul Williams (how many people here remember him!) could write some good tunes when he put his mind to it.
"One Is the Loneliest Number" also rocks.
Ridnik Chrome
I loved their stuff. Still do.
I wish they would reunite, but it ain't gonna happen. Too many hard feelings, lawsuits, etc.
My daughter gets on my ass for liking them, but then again, she gets on my case because I love Coldplay.
I was also a huge Journey fan in the 1980s, so much I named my son Steve.
"easy to be hard" was, of course, from HAIR.
all that music was great.
I had no idea there were people out there scared that there may be a civil war because the instransigence and the hardening of positions has made it impossible for the right and left to talk to each other any more.
I asked the question, would Republicans continue to push their consolidation of power if it meant a real risk of civil war? I don't think I answered the question in my post, but I think the answer is a resounding yes.
BTW, The General is good today. Jose Padilla's al Qaeda "application."
My editor, in the midst of sorting out my prose, sent this: Hope everyone still can smile - the Pentagon wants you to!
A man forgot his wife's birthday. The next day she said to him, "Tomorrow, I had better find something in the driveway that goes from -0- to -200- in less than 8 seconds."
In the morning she looked out in the driveway.
There sat a scale.
Funeral arrangements are being sorted out
Ahmadinejad: Not Crazy, Cunning
"Another indication that Iran's president is not the political novice he is made out to be by his enemies is that Ahmadinejad has cleverly chosen to pick his fight with the west over two highly emotive issues that not only unite the otherwise fragmented regime, but are also more or less bound to provoke the kind of knee-jerk Western reaction that will play into his hands."
Best way to guarantee long life? Be al Qaeda's no. 2 man?
Was he a cut in a prior life?
He seems to have nine lives.
11/05/2006 - bastaille day, usa
(I think Republicans have no fear of a civil war, because they're sure they'd win it and come out with far more power than they have now)
Smart bad, stupid good.
Sex bad, war and violence good
Terry C, Uppity Woman | 01.14.06 - 2:30 pm | #
you seem to be getting the picture!
The right will start the next civil war. I guarantee it. The right is far more likely than the left to kiss up to its radicals. Our trolls don't like to hear it, but it's historically provable throughout the 20th century.
Time to storm the Bastille, Sallyh? Knives sharpened and all?
DWD - Intellectually Paranoid | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:31 pm | #
pass the scythes!
Paul Williams (how many people here remember him!) could write some good tunes when he put his mind to it.
I remember him.
He and Streisand won Oscars for co-writing "Evergreen" for "A Star Is Born" (1976).
Movie sucked - song is great.
The neo-cons are already out beating the war drums. The want our kids to be the Trojan Horse that will do the dirty work for Likud. And they want the U.S. taxpayer to foot the bill. We're getting screwed again.
The United States absolutely will not, cannot invade Iran. Period. The funny thing is that Iran knows it, and will laugh their asses off every time the United States rattles its sword. Sure, this may be good for the Republicans' electoral chances, but ultimately it's foreign policy disaster for America ...
Iran is the cat that knows exactly how long the dog's leash is.
DWD--they're sharp and ready.
Death of Rats is in charge of the scythes.
Smart bad, stupid good.
Sex bad, war and violence good
Terry C, Uppity Woman | 01.14.06 - 2:30 pm | #
you seem to be getting the picture!
bingo
Yes, and I am totally disgusted by it.
I ain't going gently into that good night!
We're in for a marathon, not a sprint.
Hecate Malificent
Ayup. It took em 30 years to get here. They aint gonna give up without a fight. And I think they are honestly surprised that we are actually fighting back. I heard one of em saying, quite increduously, that they expected after the 2004 election, everyone would just stop paying attention. But instead, the dems are continuing to act like they're campaigning. We're making progress. Hate to sound trite, but it's two steps forward, one step back.
Ahmadinejad: Not Crazy, Cunning
Well, I'll just go out on a limb and say this:
Anyone who denies the Holocaust occured is pretty crazy.
Time to storm the Bastille, Sallyh? Knives sharpened and all?
I have a pitchfork and I know how to use it.
Does anyone on the Right actually *realize* that China has leverage over us? The Bushies sure as hell don't act like it.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:29 pm | #
the attitude is "what are they going to do about it? bring 'em on!"
Good, to hear, Madame Poissonniere.
You know I have two sons: Young DWD and Youngest DWD. Both are athletic, strapping young men. I will never allow them to join George's war, but I will join them in fighting for a free America.
Time to storm the Bastille, Sallyh? Knives sharpened and all?
DWD - Intellectually Paranoid
Oh by all means, let's get the pitchforks and the carving knives and the torches and make war on the world's remaining superpower.
'
That's going to further the liberal cause alright. That's the ticket.
If someone can show me a possible any way that this could result in anything resembling a victory for our ideals, I'm listening.
"easy to be hard" was, of course, from HAIR
Pretty much all their hits were written by other people, but look at some of the writers: Paul Williams, Randy Newman ("Mama Told Me"), Hoyt Axton ("Joy to the World") and Laura Nyro ("Eli").
Leo Sayer wrote "The Show Must Go On", which almost makes me forgive him for that godawful "When I Need You" song that was stinking up AM radio circa 1976-77.
The right will start the next civil war. I guarantee it. The right is far more likely than the left to kiss up to its radicals.
smitty werbenmanwired
Hey, that may not be the case.
The head of the NRA is pissed off about the spying.
And once the folks in Jebusland's kids started getting drafted and shipped off to Iran..........
I have a pitchfork and I know how to use it.
Hecate Malificent
Um, I can swing a bag of door knobs...and hit people with corners of envelopes. That's smarts.
I think Republicans have no fear of a civil war, because they're sure they'd win it and come out with far more power than they have now
Stock prices and corporate profit margins would be negatively impacted by a civil war, so they probably wouldn't do it. On the other hand if you invest in the right stocks, there would be a significant market opportunity...
Oh by all means, let's get the pitchforks and the carving knives and the torches and make war on the world's remaining superpower.
'
That's going to further the liberal cause alright. That's the ticket.
If someone can show me a possible any way that this could result in anything resembling a victory for our ideals, I'm listening.
I would be more inclined to recommend civil disobedience and passive resistance, were it not for the media prism through which it would be refracted.
I think Republicans have no fear of a civil war, because they're sure they'd win it and come out with far more power than they have now
Which is oddly reassuring, since they've been wrong about everything they've believed so far.
Pretty much all their hits were written by other people, but look at some of the writers: Paul Williams, Randy Newman ("Mama Told Me"), Hoyt Axton ("Joy to the World") and Laura Nyro ("Eli").
Leo Sayer wrote "The Show Must Go On", which almost makes me forgive him for that godawful "When I Need You" song that was stinking up AM radio circa 1976-77.
Ridnik Chrome
Hey. Sinatra never wrote any of his material.
If you pick the right stuff, it's almost as good as being able to write it yourself.
Almost, not quite, but it helps.
Well, batties, seven days from today I'll be an expat and refugee from America's next civil war. I hope you all get through it safely.
Now, let me get this straight:
I'm supposed to run, screaming, everytime I see someone who "looks" like a terrorist?
Has this country ever turned into a nation of cowards!
Terry C, Uppity Woman
They're everywhere! Run for your lives!
OT:
Anyone here remember the name of the blog where they were having a caption contest for a picture of Bush pointing to his head?
I think someone in comments linked to it yesterday or the day before.
Can't remember what it was...
Thanks.
Tena--there are a million ways to storm the Bastille. Most of them don't involve violence.
Tena, and you are so certain that the Military is 100% in Bush's camp?
I don't advocate violence: it is its own end. But I do not plan on allowing another undeclared war in the name of oil.
What can we do? I agree, that is the question.
And once the folks in Jebusland's kids started getting drafted and shipped off to Iran..........
A draft would end the Republicans' hold on power right quick. Which is why I don't see it ever happening. They haven't forgotten *all* their history.
Look guys. More than 51% of the people are always going to buy this shit. So unless the political class is transformed into a group that at least has a modicum of honest motives, we are fucked.
And I don't think Republicans have any intention of giving up power any time soon. It's too easy to grab power by scaring the public shitless, and therefore they will continue to do it.
My favorite Three Dog Night songs were "Easy to Be Hard" and "Out In the Country."
Three Dog Night started out as "Redwood," and were set to be Brian Wilson's main project after he pretty much abandoned the Beach Boys due to their refusal to release "Smile" in '67. Danny Hutton was a good friend of his. He produced a couple of tunes for them - "Time to Get Alone" and "Darlin'" - when the Beach Boys, desperate for something that sounded like a hit, took the "Darlin'" track, wiped Redwood's vocals off, and replaced it with their own.
You can hear Brian's original production of "Time to Get Alone" on the recent Three Dog Night box set...
Terry,
I appreciate your point about the NRA. However, who do you think the NRA's rank and file will be fighting for when the Second American Civil War breaks out?
were it not for the media prism through which it would be refracted.
i like that turn of phrase, and wanted to see it again.
"civil disobedience and passive resistance,.."
yes ,yes in designated 'freedom of speech zones'
Terry,
I appreciate your point about the NRA. However, who do you think the NRA's rank and file will be fighting for when the Second American Civil War breaks out?
smitty werbenmanwired
I think they'll do what their leaders tell them to do.
They're that weak-willed.
Leo Sayer wrote "The Show Must Go On", which almost makes me forgive him for that godawful "When I Need You" song...
Speaking of Leo, wonder if he ever gets any money from Sting for stealing "I Love You More Than I Can Say" and renaming it "Every Breath You Take"...
I would be more inclined to recommend civil disobedience and passive resistance, were it not for the media prism through which it would be refracted.
Eli
True, dat.
And I'm gonna go out on another limb and say that there will be NO (physical) civil war in this country.
But, if that's what it comes to, what colors are we going to be wearing? I worry about friendly fire...
"credit card shredders!!! they throw people in credit card shredders!!!!"
Tena,
I understand your point, but I think that a couple of days of Ukranian-style taking it to the streets could scare the corporations enough that they'd order their puppets to pull back and give up some ground. Sure, they'd shoot some of us, first, but they can't make money when there's massive demonstrations going on that shut down the government and Wall Street.
Well, batties, seven days from today I'll be an expat and refugee from America's next civil war.
Wher're you going?
If someone can show me a possible any way that this could result in anything resembling a victory for our ideals, I'm listening.
If you had only voted for Nader, we wouldn't be in this mess!
Oh by all means, let's get the pitchforks and the carving knives and the torches and make war on the world's remaining superpower.
'
That's going to further the liberal cause alright. That's the ticket.
If someone can show me a possible any way that this could result in anything resembling a victory for our ideals, I'm listening.
-- Thank you for your concern, troll.
Tena--there are a million ways to storm the Bastille. Most of them don't involve violence.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:40 pm | #
but they do involve the NSA listening in on your phone calls!
Look guys. More than 51% of the people are always going to buy this shit. So unless the political class is transformed into a group that at least has a modicum of honest motives, we are fucked.
Exactly where did you pull that 51% number from?
If that's so, why is Bush polling down around 38%?
That's what I don't get. The numbers are there, they've been there for months and yet liberals continue to insist that the numbers are not real or something because y'all keep saying that some huge majority of the country is hoodwinked and loves little Bitch George and is dying to nuke Iran.
How does that perception comport with the true numbers of those who still think Bush is on the right track?
A draft would end the Republicans' hold on power right quick. Which is why I don't see it ever happening. They haven't forgotten *all* their history.
Eli
If they learned from history, we wouldn't in Iraq.
Those assholes have learned nothing!
"But, if that's what it comes to, what colors are we going to be wearing? I worry about friendly fire...
Zap Rowsdower "
We'll be wearing US flags turned into shirts, of course.
Patriotic wingnuts would NEVER desecrate the flag by shooting it, or stabbing it.
Bingo--yeah, they're gonna be really excited about my lunch plans at Mimi's with my best friend.
Wher're you going?
The Old Man From Scene 24
London. Spousal job transfer.
He and Streisand won Oscars for co-writing "Evergreen" for "A Star Is Born" (1976)
Didn't know that (and to tell the truth I used to change the station whenever that song came on -- haven't heard it in ages, maybe I'd feel differently now.)
Williams also wrote all the songs for the movie "Bugsy Malone", and I believe he played the Phantom in "The Phantom of the Paradise". (Now there's a blast from the past!)
Yeah, I grew up in the 70's...
-- Thank you for your concern, troll.
Liberal Bias Detector
Well if I'm a troll, that's news to me. I've hidden it fairly well for the last 3 years.
moron
I wouldn't be too worried about a civil war in the US. Chances are there'll be something good on TV that day.
but they do involve the NSA listening in on your phone calls!
Yes, but in order to ensure quality, all calls will be recorded, and will be answered in the order received. Thanks for holding.
Bingo--yeah, they're gonna be really excited about my lunch plans at Mimi's with my best friend.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:44 pm |
See! You ARE up to something!
nd hit people with corners of envelopes. That's smarts.
Death by a thousand paper cuts! The most painful death of all!
If that's so, why is Bush polling down around 38%?
Tena:
I think it's even lower than 38% but Bush's good puppy press doesn't want to report that.
It might make their hero look worse than he already does!
I wouldn't be too worried about a civil war in the US. Chances are there'll be something good on TV that day.
CSI: Trailer Park | Email | 01.14.06 - 2:45 pm | #
==
I better go try to wake myself up some more. This makes too much sense.
Bingo--it's going to be tough deciding between the Thai lettuce wraps and the spinach quiche, I'm telling you.
Tena is NOT a concern troll. And she's certainly raising valid points.
We'll be wearing US flags turned into shirts, of course.
Patriotic wingnuts would NEVER desecrate the flag by shooting it, or stabbing it.
Nim,
Damn - sounds just like Ghost Shirts. They were supposed to stop bullets, too.
****sigh****
Well if I'm a troll, that's news to me. I've hidden it fairly well for the last 3 years.
moron
Tena | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:45 pm | #
-
namestealer.
BTW, The General is good today. Jose Padilla's al Qaeda "application."
I like the new banner, with "Jesus' General" translated into different languages. Ja volt, General Von Jesus!
Well if I'm a troll, that's news to me. I've hidden it fairly well for the last 3 years.
AHA!!
I knew all along that first draft was a massive disinformation campaign....
You guys are soooo busted!!
"It is another piece of information that on its own means nothing,"
Known in Bush circles as "actionable intelligence".
I wouldn't be too worried about a civil war in the US. Chances are there'll be something good on TV that day.
CSI: Trailer Park | Email | 01.14.06 - 2:45 pm | #
==
I better go try to wake myself up some more. This makes too much sense.
mena
I concur.
Righist foreign policy has consistantly inconsistant for the better half of a centruy.
It's been consistent in one way, and one way only -- what will work at the polls.
They were against leaving Vietnam, until there was a Republican president.
They were against going into Iraq at the end of GW I because there was a Republican president, opposed.
They were for going into Iraq in 2003 because there was a Republican president, in favor.
National interest doesn't interest them.
Party interest does.
If Lenin comes back, he'll have a home in the GOP.
Thai lettuce wraps
spinach quiche
what could those be code words for?
Hecate - thank you, Goddess.
Exactly where did you pull that 51% number from?
If that's so, why is Bush polling down around 38%?
That's what I don't get. The numbers are there, they've been there for months and yet liberals continue to insist that the numbers are not real or something because y'all keep saying that some huge majority of the country is hoodwinked and loves little Bitch George and is dying to nuke Iran.
How does that perception comport with the true numbers of those who still think Bush is on the right track?
The problem is, 51% of the *voters* (possibly with some electronic... enhancement) are on board with the Republicans. Because of the fanatical way the Republican base turns out, their actual numbers are hugely magnified on Election Day.
The worse the Republicans behave, the more motivated that base is. That's pretty much the whole Rove/Republican strategy. Yeah, they peel off a few moderates and otherwise-liberal Christians with terrorist gay immigrant fearmongering, but the core of their strategy is to pander to and energize their own crazies.
And as you may have noticed, energizing and motivating the base has not really been the Democrats' strong suit.
-- Thank you for your concern, troll.
Liberal Bias Detector | 01.14.06 - 2:43 pm | #
Er, Tena's not a troll.
She's a regular here.
(In fact, I would say that the Republicans have done a far better job of energizing and motivating the Democratic base than the Democrats have...)
Israel Urges Sanctions Against Iran
Jan 13 1:30 PM US/Eastern
By AMY TEIBEL
Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM
Israel on Friday urged the international community to threaten Iran with sanctions if it doesn't abandon its nuclear ambitions, following new threats from Tehran to block U.N. inspections of its atomic site.
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Will Israel allow U.N. inspections of its atomic site?
Tena--you, a troll? What kind of parallel universe do these morons live in?
Wait, don't answer that.
Death by a thousand paper cuts! The most painful death of all!
Hecate Malificent
He's got a board with a nail in it!
(Don't laugh. It's what did GoGo in in Kill Bill Vol. 1.)
Hecate - you may be right about that - but there have been big demonstrations against the WTC and I haven't noticed that they've made much of a dent.
I told Mr. Tena this morning that I think dying for what I believe in would be a good death. I'm not scared of being hurt or of being killed. I just would like to win - and not only win the government back, but the hearts and minds of my fellow citizens.
London. Spousal job transfer.
Sweet! I hope the spousal job pays well
Damn - sounds just like Ghost Shirts. They were supposed to stop bullets, too.
I actually wrote a paper on this...
It didn't end well (the Ghost Shirts, not the paper).
If Lenin comes back, he'll have a home in the GOP.
Davis X. Machina
Stalin's got that berth, Lenin'd just get 5 inna noggin...
If Lenin comes back, he'll have a home in the GOP.
Davis X. Machina
Actually, I think Lenin would be disgusted with Bush Co.
Williams also wrote all the songs for the movie "Bugsy Malone", and I believe he played the Phantom in "The Phantom of the Paradise". (Now there's a blast from the past!)
Pretty sure that's the only De Palma film I've ever really liked...
Thai lettuce wraps
spinach quiche
what could those be code words for?
bingo | 01.14.06 - 2:48 pm | #
==
SHHHHH!!!! We've had them looking for owls!
I told Mr. Tena this morning that I think dying for what I believe in would be a good death. I'm not scared of being hurt or of being killed. I just would like to win - and not only win the government back, but the hearts and minds of my fellow citizens.
Tena
I'd rather die standing than live on my knees.
Yes, but in order to ensure quality, all calls will be recorded, and will be answered in the order received. Thanks for holding.
Heh heh heh...
"Your treachery is important to us. Please stay on the line, and your call will be investigated in the order in which it was intercepted. Thank you."
Williams also wrote all the songs for the movie "Bugsy Malone", and I believe he played the Phantom in "The Phantom of the Paradise". (Now there's a blast from the past!)
Pretty sure that's the only De Palma film I've ever really liked...
Eli |
"Bugsy Malone" was cute!
the Ghost Shirts, not the paper).
I love you, eli. I don't tell you that often enough.
Tena,
Did you mean the WTO or the WTC?
I believe he played the Phantom in "The Phantom of the Paradise"
He gave his soul for rock 'n roll!
The least Bush could do would be to say "We want to keep the upper hand over Iran and prevent them from creating a mutually assured destruction scenario in the Middle East."
But, I guess, that doesn't play well in wing-nuttia.
Letting Israel have the upper hand with its bomb is OK, though. /snark
They listen into MY calls and they're gonna be SO fucking bored!
No kidding.
Coming in quickly to stand up for Tena (maybe I don't need to, I just saw the post from Terry C explaining Tena is not a "troll").
Sorry, but this entire post sounds so typically defeatist, I was gonna leave it alone. This is knee-jerk pessimism on the order of: "if everything in the entire universe doesn't go just the way I want it to, I'm gonna take my ball and go home!"
Bush is the POTUS. Deal with it. He's Nixon's "madman," except he really is mad. Seriously.
That said, can be browbeat Congress into another war? Or even the threat of one? Well, we'll see how far the "swift-boating" of Jack Murtha gets. So far, unlike Kerry, he's responded to it.
So my money is on "not very far."
Then there's the little matter of "Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt."
Sorry, Atrios, our noble host, but you never read the story of the boy who cried "Wolf!"?
And I don't mean "Blitzer."
This is too obvious, and it won't play a second time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Bush isn't gonna fool the majority of the country again. If Iran is hell-bent on developing nuclear weapons, and we can't mount a credible response (diplomatically or militarily, and we can't), it'll be seen as Bush's own damn fault.
That's all. Tena, take the day off if you're still here.
I won't be around, but that's a scheduling matter, nothing personal.
I just would like to win
See, this is why you and I are so much alike!
I'm not talking about a one day or one weekend demonstration in one city. I think it would take something more like what happened in the Ukraine. And we're not there yet, but, as Diane noted this morning, if Americans start to feel real pain, either financial or from a draft, it could happen.
I agree with you as well that dying for America would be a good death, but living for her would be a good life, too. We've got to take this country back from the invaders and I do consider this batch of Republicans and some of the Vichy Dems to be invaders.
Thai lettuce wraps
spinach quiche
what could those be code words for?
bingo
Today's grocery run:
London Broil.
Smoked Turkey....
All the concern for Israel by the Bush Regime.
Weird, considering their base is so anti-Semitic.
Nixon must be spinning in his grave.
Pretty sure that's the only De Palma film I've ever really liked...
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:51 pm |
WHAT!
You didn't like
Scarface
Dressed to Kill
Untouchables
?
I don't tell you that often enough.
No. No, you don't.
Williams also wrote all the songs for the movie "Bugsy Malone", and I believe he played the Phantom in "The Phantom of the Paradise". (Now there's a blast from the past!)
He also had a role as a teenage whiz kid in the cult fave "The Loved One"...
Now that's trivia!
You know, I think the fix was in on Alito as far as the Democratic leadership goes. I reason thusly :
Republicans say : "We're going to overturn Roe!" The faithful pony up the cash and the GOP swims in it to the polls.
Democrats say "They're going to oberturn Roe!" The faithful say "Oh they wouldn't do that, stop fretting."
Now, the Dems have seen that a warning gets diddly while the Republicans see that a promise (albeit often with a nod and wink) gets results. The well may indeed go dry for the Republicans if they don't deliver soon but the Dems have seen no great turnout in return for their efforts. I think they have decided to help it happen since not enough people seem to be energized by the threat. Perhaps they think they'll get more attention if Roe actually is overturned than by just warning that it's going to be.
WHAT!
You didn't like
Scarface
Dressed to Kill
Untouchables
Meh.
I believe he played the Phantom in "The Phantom of the Paradise".
He starred in it, but wasn't actually the phantom. He played the demonic record producer, Swan, the phantom's nemesis in the film.
If Lenin comes back, he'll have a home in the GOP.
Davis X. Machina
Actually, I think Lenin would be disgusted with Bush Co.
Terry C, Uppity Woman
Not quite professional and kill-y enough. Oh, wait, that's Stalin.
Well if I'm a troll, that's news to me.
You're welcome to come live in my garden! You can keep the gnomes in line...
Hey Dims, got any truth to sell?
But, if that's what it comes to, what colors are we going to be wearing? I worry about friendly fire...
Zap Rowsdower | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:42 pm | #
i'll be naked.
ashcroft hates that.
besides the total ineptitude of not catching any major al queda figure - why can the cia not know who is in a house that they bomb? they can't claim they are unsure who is in a house that they bomb - it is another criminal act by this administration...
Hey Dims, got any truth to sell?
dith | 01.14.06 - 2:57 pm | #
unlike the rethugs, we don't think truth is for sale.
And if I've misread the tenor of the comments, my apologies.
I haven't read them at all. No time. So, if I'm completely off base, my apologies again.
What is beginning to get through to me, finally, is this - even if we get the majority back and we impeach Bush - if we cannot find a way to persuade at least some of the people on the right that our ideas about how things should go might be ok, we'll only have this same dichotomy, tension and fight.
We'll never be able to repair things if we can't get through to at least some of them. There are those who are a lost cause - I realize that. But damn it, it's going to be nothing but hatred from now on if we can't bridge this gap at all. The de facto civil war we have now is never going to end at this rate. It will just surge back and forth, as one side gains traction and then loses it again.
It's always been this way to some extent. But the sides have hardened so because of Bush and how extreme he makes things that it's going to be really difficult to ever be one country again unless something changes.
I do consider this batch of Republicans and some of the Vichy Dems to be invaders.
Hecate Malificent
Yes.
I'd probably say "occupiers", but "invaders" works for me as well.
But, if that's what it comes to, what colors are we going to be wearing? I worry about friendly fire...
Zap Rowsdower | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:42 pm | #
i'll be naked.
ashcroft hates that.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
But it would make the rest of us really happy.
Hey Dims, got any truth to sell?
dith | 01.14.06 - 2:57 pm | #
unlike the rethugs, we don't think truth is for sale.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
dirk:
BEE-yootiful response.
Afternoon, all.
As Dorothy Parker used to say,
what fresh hell is this?
Speaking of "Phantom of the Paradise," I believe rock critic Gerrit Graham also made an appearance...
Hey Dims, got any truth to sell?
No, that would be Michael Fumento.
http://
www.editorandpublisher.co...t_id=1001843914
.
Hey dith, what a sight for sore eyes. How's it going.
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tofighiali@yahoo.co.uk
Democrats See Wide Bush Stamp on Court System
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and RICHARD W. STEVENSON 12:27 PM ET
With the success of President Bush's latest Supreme Court nominee, Democratic leaders see little hope of holding off a tide of conservatism.
unlike the rethugs, we don't think truth is for sale.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Doesn't matter. The rethugs aren't buyin' anyway.
WHAT!
You didn't like
Scarface
Dressed to Kill
Untouchables
Meh.
Eli
I liked the original "Scarface" with Paul Muni.
I like Pacino, but hated him in that mess!
I understand your point, but I think that a couple of days of Ukranian-style taking it to the streets could scare the corporations enough that they'd order their puppets to pull back and give up some ground.
It might. But the problem in the US, as always, is where is this to occur?
olexicon says his Mummy will cater, but still - San Francisco? Chicago? Washington? New York? Honestly, the most effective pressure point has so far turned out to be the dirt road leading into Shrub's brushland.
For some reason, I couldn't read Atrios' post without thinking of the track "America is Waiting" from the Eno/Byrne album My Life In the Bush of Ghosts:
"No will whatsoever. No will whatsoever! Absolutely no integrity."
The irony, of course, is that the radio talk-show host they sampled was talking about the *Iranian* government.
Ali:
Is that Klingon?
LMFAO! | 01.14.06 - 2:59 pm | #
Loser.
I mean whatever the org is that always brings out protesters about the international financial situation.
I don't have a dog in that fight, so I don't remember what it's called. I can actually see more than 2 sides to that situation.
I told Mr. Tena this morning that I think dying for what I believe in would be a
good death. I'm not scared of being hurt or of being killed. I just would like to
win - and not only win the government back, but the hearts and minds of my
fellow citizens.
Tena
I'd rather die standing than live on my knees.
Terry C, Uppity Woman | 01.14.06 - 2:52 pm | #
Somebody asked Woody Allen if he
wanted to live forever through
his film.
He replied "I'd rather live forever
in my apartment."
Dims remember what the G of T says - if you don't let your real self out it will end up destroying you - or something like that?
Tena--there are a million ways to storm the Bastille. Most of them don't involve violence.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 2:40 pm | #
actually, we all know that this countries government and military could never be overthrown by violence. the revolution would have to come from within in a (mostly) bloodless coup.
unfortunately, it probably already happened.
i'll be naked.
ashcroft hates that.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
==
We'll get you a pair of comedy breasts.
But the sides have hardened so because of Bush and how extreme he makes things that it's going to be really difficult to ever be one country again unless something changes.
Tena,
That's true, and to a large extent, I blame the Coulters, Limbaughs, OReilley's, and Malangdangadiggyboombangas for this. They've gotten rich off of selling hate talk and they have to keep getting more and more extreme each year in order to keep selling. That's not the way a civilized society works. That's not how you bring people together. They have hurt America. The question is how we stop them and still respect freedom of speech. I'm not sure I know the answer.
countries = country's *blush*
Dims remember what the G of T says - if you don't let your real self out it will end up destroying you - or something like that?
dith
Umm, I think it goes:
"Bring forth that which is within you, and that which is within you will save you.
Do not bring forth that which is within you, and that which is within you will destroy you."
I understand your point, but I think that a couple of days of Ukranian-style taking it to the streets could scare the corporations enough that they'd order their puppets to pull back and give up some ground. Sure, they'd shoot some of us, first, but they can't make money when there's massive demonstrations going on that shut down the government and Wall Street.
Hecate Malificent
I'm all for this. Everyone meet in D.C. at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial. Seriously, I keep waiting for something like the Ukranian revolution to happen here. I had hopes for Cindy's camp in Crawford but it fizzled out. Hanging on blogs, writing letters and making phone calls isn't enough.
It's always been this way to some extent. But the sides have hardened so because of Bush and how extreme he makes things that it's going to be really difficult to ever be one country again unless something changes.
I think that if we ever have another Dem president, they're going to be under a lot of pressure and scrutiny to "prove" that the Democratic strategy works.
What really worries me is that they'll be inheriting such a complete and total mess that they won't be able to dig us out from it, and will probably be forced to inflict some pain (tax hikes, OMG!) in the attempt. Republicans will successfully dodge all responsibility for the mess and blame it on the poor Dem holding the bag, and the Democrats will wander in the wilderness for another 20-30 years.
Unless the American public massively buys into the Democratic platform or massively buys *out* of the Republican one, I think the long-term future is pretty bleak, unless we can either get the Republicans out of the media business, or get the Democrats *in*.
"...It's always been this way to some extent. But the sides have hardened so because of Bush and how extreme he makes things that it's going to be really difficult to ever be one country again unless something changes."
--Tena
I agree with just about everything you said. The thing is, from what I've read, people, when they are desparate enough, vote their pocketbooks. Democrats win hands over on that.
what movies DO you like then, dear Eli?
WHAT!
You didn't like
Scarface
Dressed to Kill
Untouchables
?
bingo | 01.14.06 - 2:55 pm | #
Three of the worst movies ever
made. Not un-enjoyable, I'll grant
you, but surpassingly stupid.
The German had Green, the Phillipines Yellow, the Ukranians Orange,Lebanon went for a tree they don't even have anymore so let's just let that one go. All the good colors are taken already and I'm getting mighty tired of Red and Blue. I'm still somewhat partial to the black hoodie but what do you all think? What color is best for our revolution?
You pretty much nailed them, Duncan. As I seem to recall, it was under Bolton's watch that N. Korea and Iran was able to ramp up their nuclear weapons program, since, you know, he was the Undersecretary of state for international security and arms control.
Funny how we never heard a word of that during his UN confirmation hearings.
But it would make the rest of us really happy.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 2:58 pm | #
awwww! so sweet - another reason i love you, marcia.
Tena, I responded to your concerns, but failed to defend you because I thought that questioning you was so absurd . . . .
I'm late to the party, so can
somebody tell me --
Did Paul Williams die?
And how and who is Swift-Boating
Murtha?
gotta go
peace all
While the Repubs may get themselves all worked up about attacking Iran, military action isn't a real possibility.
Iran has the capability to sink our aircraft carriers sitting out there in the Gulf.
And carriers run about $7b apiece (including based aircraft). Not even batshit crazy Cheney/Dumsfeld are going to sacrifice them.
I'm all for this. Everyone meet in D.C. at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial. Seriously, I keep waiting for something like the Ukranian revolution to happen here. I had hopes for Cindy's camp in Crawford but it fizzled out. Hanging on blogs, writing letters and making phone calls isn't enough.
ql in ny
Pzreworski sort of makes the point that effective protest doesn't really happen in wealthy countries (per capita income of greater than $6,000 per year). I don't know if it is possible in America.
Three of the worst movies ever
made. Not un-enjoyable, I'll grant
you, but surpassingly stupid.
steve simels | Email | 01.14.06 - 3:04 pm | #
at least connery's accent made sense in the untouchables.
And how and who is Swift-Boating
Murtha?
here ya go:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/
view...E20060113a.html
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Three of the worst movies ever
made.
No shit.
"Dressed to Kill" is particularly obnoxious... but not as bad as his visciously misogynous "Body Double."
DePalma is hack, personified.
And carriers run about $7b apiece (including based aircraft). Not even batshit crazy Cheney/Dumsfeld are going to sacrifice them.
Why not? We can just pay for them with some more tax cuts, right?
You people are such a bunch of silly little girls. This doesn't have to be like Iraq at all. Fuck occupation, just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem, but we demonstrate to other idiots with the same idea how there is absolutely no hope of winning when we play rough. All the IEDs and suicide bombers are worthless in that scenario.
awwww! so sweet - another reason i love you, marcia.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I'm being totally self-interested here, I assure you...
LBD - You're wrong. That's our Tena, and she has been talking good sense all day. As usual. Honestly, without Tena and RMJ, I think I would have given up by now.
The Dems just don't make what they stand for clear. If they did, *loud* and proud, I think more would realize that they believe the same way.
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I mean whatever the org is that always brings out protesters about the international financial situation.
I don't have a dog in that fight, so I don't remember what it's called. I can actually see more than 2 sides to that situation.
Tena
I was just making sure that you were talking about the World Trade Organization (WTO), not the World Trade Center (WTC).
I was at the protest of the Seattle WTO meetings in 1999. While it was fucking nuts, the disruption aspect of it did succeed. Ever since, they've held their meetings in countries that have a very heavy police state presence (Qatar, Hong Kong).
Although, I did run into an delegate at the meetings from an Arfrican country. He said (paraphrase), "This [protest] is nothing. We have larger protests than this on a weekly basis."
As a former member of the activist left, I can see how their presence taints the overall message. And I've always tried to invite regular folk to vigils over the war, readings about the current political climate, but it's hard to do. A lot of folks can't/refuse to make time in their schedules for that kind of stuff.
So long as people are so fixated on the current state of media, things ain't gonna change anytime soon.
Three of the worst movies ever
made. Not un-enjoyable, I'll grant
you, but surpassingly stupid.
steve simels
I used to like the TV show "The Untouchables" when I was a kid.
Since I've learned what the REAL Elliott Ness was like......meh!
Did Paul Williams die?
Nah, his name came up in a discussion about Three Dog Night... I had some very astute observations to add to both, but they seem to have vanished in the ether...
The Dems just don't make what they stand for clear. If they did, *loud* and proud, I think more would realize that they believe the same way.
A lot of the time, I'm not even sure that they stand for what they stand for.
Blue. I'm still somewhat partial to the black hoodie but what do you all think? What color is best for our revolution?
Pink! Everybody always look so nice in pink, cheerful, fresh, springlike. Pink!
Avestus | 01.14.06 - 3:07 pm | #
So, when are YOU going to enlist?
I didn't THINK so.
Iran has the capability to sink our aircraft carriers sitting out there in the Gulf.
They've already been moved into the Arabian sea, south and east of Oman -- out of the Gulf.
I think dith is thinking of the Charge of the Goddess:
Now listen to the words of the Great Mother who of old was called Artemis, Astarte, Demeter, Miluisine, Aphrodite, Cerridwen, Diana, Arianrod, Bridgid, Hecate, Isis and by many other names."
"When ever you have need of anything, once in a month, and better it be when the moon is full, ye shall assemble in some secret place and adore the sprit of Me who am Queen of all Witches. Ye shall dance, sing, feast, make music and love all in My praise : For Mine is the ecstasy of the sprit, and Mine also is joy on earth. For My law is love unto all beings."
"Hear ye the words of the Star Goddess , She in the dust of whos feet are the host of heaven, whose body encircleth the universe."
"I am the beauty of the green earth and the white moon and the mysteries of the waters. From Me all things proceed and unto Me they must return. Let My worship be in the heart that rejoices, for all acts of love and pleasure are My rituals. Let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, myrth and reverance within you. And you who seek to know Me.... know, that your seeking and yearning shall avail you not, unless you know the mystery. If that which seek you find not within you shall never find it without. For behold , I have been with you from the beginning I am that which is attained at the end of desire.
You pe--
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couple of points (sorry if someone else already made them):
(1) Isn't Iran just another bunch of terrorists? Bush already interprets the war resolution as enabling him to attack terrorists around the world. Why would he need another congressional resolution? The only reason would be as a domestic political tactic, like the Iraq war resolution was used for. Atrios is absolutely correct on this.
(2) Wouldn't attacking Iran also alienate at least some significant elements of the Shiite government that just (presumably) got elected in Iraq? Seems like that would put our troops there in even more danger.
Fuck occupation, just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem...
Too far underground, bunker busters will not get them. That's why there is a rumor that Bush is considering nukes...
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This is too obvious, and it won't play a second time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
It was obvious to me the first time. I think just about everyone knows it's a load of crap (I bet even most of our trolls know it's crap) but a disheartening number of people still play along. They have too much to lose if they stop.
eems like that would put our troops there in even more danger.
Marchbleed
Bush doesn't care.
It's not like his two heifers would be among them.
dave™, best troll repellant ever. thank you kind sir.
The Dems just don't make what they stand for clear. If they did, *loud* and proud, I think more would realize that they believe the same way.
A lot of the time, I'm not even sure that they stand for what they stand for.
Eli
And when they do [Hi, Dr. Dean], is it repeated ad nauseum throughout the media like the GOP crap? Without some media coverage, Dems might as well be ball-gagged.
Too far underground, bunker busters will not get them. That's why there is a rumor that Bush is considering nukes...
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Thats what I meant by "correctly armed"
Sound good Hecate, but not much meat there.
just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem...
"blowing up tents in the desert" ?
"Bring forth that which is within you, and that which is within you will save you.
Do not bring forth that which is within you, and that which is within you will destroy you."
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 3:03 pm | #
translation for dith: if the repubs didn't drown the rest of us in their bile, it would eat away at them from the inside.
Wow...nukes something to smile about.
How's that culture of life thing going?
I think dith is thinking of the Charge of the Goddess
Hecate Malificent
I'm pretty sure it's the Gospel of Thomas from the Gnostic scriptures, but both are good.
Pah. You are all too serious this morning. When I can't even get anyone to bite at a comedy breasts joke, it's time to go do something else....
"blowing up tents in the desert" ?
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Email | 01.14.06 - 3:11 pm | #
mebbe they have an asperin factory.
How's that culture of life thing going?
Pretty sure only fetuses and white Republicans are eligible.
Wow...nukes something to smile about.
How's that culture of life thing going?
Yet another Bruce
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Glowingly
Paul Williams (born 1940, Nebraska. Still around)
Known for timeless classics such as "We've Only Just Begun," "Rainy Days and Mondays," "Evergreen," "Just An Old Fashioned Love Song" and "Rainbow Connection," Paul Williams is responsible for what will remain part of our pop culture for many years to come. His music has been recorded by some of the biggest names in the entertainment industry. Three Dog Night's versions of "Just An Old Fashioned Love Song," "Out in the Country" and "Family of Man" have sold millions of copies worldwide. Karen Carpenter's rich vocals made "We've Only Just Begun," "Rainy Days and Mondays" "Let Me Be the One and "I Won't Last a Day Without You," a part of our lives. Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald, Barbra Streisand, Willie Nelson, Kermit the Frog, and Luther Vandross are among the hundreds of artists who've recorded Paul's songs. Neil McCoy recently recorded Paul's "Party On" while 'Diamond Rio' recorded and took "You're Gone" to the top of the charts. The video for "You're Gone" became Pick of the Week on Country Music Television. In 1997, Paul went back into the recording studio and recorded his CD "Back To Love Again," which includes remakes of some of Paul's more classic hits such as "Rainbow Connection" and "I Won't Last A Day Without You" as well as new songs which contain the same quality, passion and depth that was heard and felt in his hits from the past. Richard Carpenter and Graham Nash appear as guest artists on the album bringing to it a richness and a quality all its own. Critics, fans and the most famous in the music industry have all had positive reactions and reviews to the album. Hal David sums it up by saying, "Paul Williams, singing Paul Williams-it doesn't get any better. Fabulous!" But Herb Alpert's remark "Through the decade his keen wit and big heart have made him an uniquely special songsmith and artist," is what keeps a true Paul Williams fan coming back for more. No one sings a song like the songwriter who wrote it, and the same holds true for Paul's music. No one captures the emotion within the songs the way he can and does time and time again. Paul is one of the most celebrated songwriters of our time having won Academy, Grammy and Golden Globe awards. His most recent accomplishments include his induction into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame. Paul's reputation as a motion picture songwriter took hold in 1973 with an Academy Award nomination for "Nice to Be Around" (co-written with John Williams) from Cinderella Liberty (1973). 1975 brought Paul's second nomination for the soundtrack from the Brian De Palma cult classic, Phantom of the Paradise (1974). He not only wrote the words and music and produced the album for the rock cantata, but also held the audience captive with his devious portrayal of the evil Swan. Paul went on to become the Music Supervisor for A Star Is Born (1976), bringing with it the challenge of working with three different composers to produce its award.
The question is how we stop them and still respect freedom of speech. I'm not sure I know the answer.
Stop equating hate with freedom of expression. Or, at least, prosecute fraudulent expression (which hate speech invariably is) the way other fraud, libel and defamation is.
Some of us live in countries with hate propaganda laws; we don't often like them, but the alternative, as we can plainly see, is worse.
You gotta be shitting me. Using nukes preemptively is a good thing?
That is some very very short term thinking.
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Pink! Everybody always look so nice in pink, cheerful, fresh, springlike. Pink!
Oh, I don't think so.
Dems might as well be ball-gagged.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 3:11 pm | #
wellllll.... ok, but how do i say the "safe" word?
there is absolutely no hope of winning when we play rough.
In exactly what context are YOU using the word WE?
.
doesn't have to be like Iraq at all. Fuck occupation, just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem
And, now, from the same people who promised you that we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq . . . .
How's that culture of life thing going?
Pretty sure only fetuses and white Republicans are eligible.
Eli
Let's not forget white women in vegetative comas.
translation for dith: if the repubs didn't drown the rest of us in their bile, it would eat away at them from the inside.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I love that passage because it show that Christians had a heritage of embracing the possibility of many paths to the center, of the individuality of ecstatic experience. Too bad it didn't take, though.
"So long as people are so fixated on the current state of media, things ain't gonna change anytime soon."
--Zap Rowsdower
They will when they can no longer afford it. Gas prices, heating oil, food prices and on and on. Might be awhile, but it will happen.
Fuck occupation, just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem
Have the people who are for nukes ever heard of "nuclear winter" and "nuclear fallout"?
Do they think it stays in one spot?
I agree with just about everything you said. The thing is, from what I've read, people, when they are desparate enough, vote their pocketbooks. Democrats win hands over on that.
mer
That's true and I think we might see that come November.
But it's kind of disconcerting that so many people with a better handle on things than I have are saying such depressing things lately.
I don't feel like I can make any sunny predictions when smarter (by far) people than me are so gloomy. I feel foolish continuing to try to argue that everything will be ok.
Pah. You are all too serious this morning. When I can't even get anyone to bite at a comedy breasts joke, it's time to go do something else....
mena | Email | 01.14.06 - 3:13 pm | #
last time i took a bite of a comedy breast, i chipped a tooth.
Wow...nukes something to smile about.
Yeah, that was special, wasn't it?
Let's not forget white women in vegetative comas.
Pretty sure that fits the eligibility requirements I outlined.
doesn't have to be like Iraq at all. Fuck occupation, just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem
And, now, from the same people who promised you that we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq . . . .
Hecate Malificent
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We offer the sterilized gasfields of Iran. . .
doesn't have to be like Iraq at all. Fuck occupation, just a flight of correctly armed cruise missiles and we not only solve the Iran problem
And, now, from the same people who promised you that we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq . . . .
Hecate Malificent
"I'll pull out, I promise!"
Avestus is a genuine sociopath,
in case you hadn't noticed.
Also a mongrel idiot.
But the sociopathic thing is
the defining characteristic.
They will when they can no longer afford it. Gas prices, heating oil, food prices and on and on. Might be awhile, but it will happen.
mer
Another "Great" Depression.
The LAST one sure pissed the American people off at the Repukes.
When I can't even get anyone to bite at a comedy breasts joke, it's time to go do something else....
mena
But breasts are no laughing matter. Utterly serious subject.
Christianity can't be defined by Christians.
Avestus is a genuine sociopath,
in case you hadn't noticed.
Mean-spirited little fuck looking for attention.
Like all of our trolls.
Actually, breasts are two of my favorite subjects.
I love that passage because it show that Christians had a heritage of embracing the possibility of many paths to the center, of the individuality of ecstatic experience. Too bad it didn't take, though.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 3:14 pm | #
but it presumes that what is inside is somehow true and good. and i have grown far too cynical to think that on a large scale.
wellllll.... ok, but how do i say the "safe" word?
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I'm pretty sure I could read your eyes...
Anyone who can grin at mass destruction is more than sociopathic, steve.
Just sayin'.
But breasts are no laughing matter. Utterly serious subject.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 3:16 pm | #
udderly serious.
The Kingdom of God is Within You - by Tolstoy - maybe that's something to think about Dims.
NO one seems to be talking about the debt ceiling we are going to hit in March. Sure we will raise it, but to make all this nuke Iran noise while asking China to support even MORE debt. is crazy talk.
Are we trying to fuck up ALL energy sources? So we have to face off against Russia/China for energy security?
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Asscroft of course was frightened by the breasts of liberty.
But it's kind of disconcerting that so many people with a better handle on things than I have are saying such depressing things lately.
I don't feel like I can make any sunny predictions when smarter (by far) people than me are so gloomy. I feel foolish continuing to try to argue that everything will be ok.
Just remember that all of these predictions don't take a Rove indictment or waves of Republican congresscritter indictments into account. I think that changes the dynamic pretty dramatically. I just wish the Abramoff thing had unfolded a little sooner, i.e., indictments hitting *before* the Alito hearings.
Breasts=evil
Nukes=good
It's that culture of life.
Christianity can't be defined by Christians.
dith
The Flying Spaghetti Monster will explain it all to us.
Atrios is a clever writer but as usual, can't be taken seriously in this matter. In Atrios words, foreign policy is this subject far too many people put too much thought into and in which problems can be resolved if we just held hands and talked more. He rejects even the remote possibility that force might even potentially be an issue to consider. That's not surprising from a guy who even opposed the war in Afghanistan much less Bush's Iraq fiasco.
Basically, Atrios has no credit on this issue and that's good. To paraphrase him, let the seriiusly serious people who are serious about serious foreign policy discuss these things. Afterwards he can write snarky comments about the proces from far away; having excused himself from any responsible discussion.
Breasts=evil
Nukes=good
It's that culture of life.
I think the Republicans favor the Zardoz Doctrine: The gun is good; the penis is evil.
Uh, yeah. Not pink. Sorry.
Oh, and what Marcia said, Dems do have a solid message but they don't chant in unison with the help of a media megaphone so in comparison it seems weak and disorganized. Exasperation is getting to me, I'm ready to just let the MF burn and start over. Today, is a good day for ETOH.
Breasts=evil
Nukes=good
It's that culture of life.
Yet another Bruce
I like what BartCop said after the ridiculous Janet Jackson Superbowl thing:
Repukes hate sex, they hate women, and they hate life.
Why else would they be so offended over the sight of a woman's breast and think an illegal war is okay?
dith made more sense when he was babbling nonsense. surely the r's would benefit from tolstoy, though.
They will when they can no longer afford it. Gas prices, heating oil, food prices and on and on. Might be awhile, but it will happen.
mer
Unfortunately, people will sacrafice some things to pay their cable bill...
I watched that documentary "Country Boys" this week. One of the kids, who was on SSI, found it primary that the effin' cable bill be paid.
Never mind he was living an absolute squallor; or that his father was drinking himself to death; or his mom was ripping him off...
I'll just leave it at that.
(In fact, I would say that the Republicans have done a far better job of energizing and motivating the Democratic base than the Democrats have...)
Eli |
Yah, I agree (I just saw this comment scrolling down). You're absolutely right about this -
I never knew Paul Williams was the one responsible for all those Carpenters hits, either. That's a lot to answer for.
He rejects even the remote possibility that force might even potentially be an issue to consider.
Bullshit.
"I am ragin'ly against absolutely
everything that wants t'force nature
t'be unnatural (be it human or otherwise) an' I am violently for absolutely everything that will fight those forces (be them human or otherwise)"
- Bob Dylan
The gun is good; the penis is evil.
Eli
They're confusing their pistols with their private parts.
- Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman
the penis is evil.
So all our penis led religions are bad?
Death to patriarchal religion, come on ladies- kick some ass.
.
"I'll pull out, I promise!"
And I really WILL leave my wife for you. Honest. And the check's already in the mail.
Cripes. it's like Lucy with the football.
Pink! Everybody always look so nice in pink, cheerful, fresh, springlike. Pink!
GWPDA
Oh no. No way. If the color is pink I'll become a fucking republican. People have been trying to get me to wear pink ever since I was a little QL. Nope. I particularly think pink looks silly on old ladies. And you're getting this from someone who offered to give w a blow job if it meant we could impeach him.
Dustin Ridgeway:
You have no idea how tempted I am
to hit you with a certain
(more or less retired) catch
phrase right now.
Just remember that all of these predictions don't take a Rove indictment or waves of Republican congresscritter indictments into account. I think that changes the dynamic pretty dramatically. I just wish the Abramoff thing had unfolded a little sooner, i.e., indictments hitting *before* the Alito hearings.
Eli
That's my greatest hope right now, eli. Get the goddamned indictments out already before any more goddamned bullshit happens.
Oh, crud. Shelley Winters died.
I never knew Paul Williams was the one responsible for all those Carpenters hits, either. That's a lot to answer for.
Ridnik Chrome
Karen Carpenter's voice was beautiful.
And it's a shame the way she wound up.
Christianity can't be defined by Christians.
dith
That's why Minnesota will save us all!
Asscroft of course was frightened by the breasts of liberty.
Moonbootica | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 3:17 pm | #
his mommy never breat fed him. he was, like romulous and remus, left to fend for himself.
With Boosh, the big lies come out more like,
"The check's in your mouth. And I won't come in your mailbox."
But the kewl kids will still applaud with the sign says to.
Oh, crud. Shelley Winters died.
NYMary |
She hadn't been well of late.
God rest her.
Great actress.
Tena, sometimes I think that the Democrats in the House and Senate are as connected to the tit of corporations as are Republicans. I'm not sure what to do about that, except maybe to do away with contributions and fund campaigns through the government.
d'oh.."when the sign says to."
(note to self -- preview is your friend)
With Boosh, the big lies come out more like,
"The check's in your mouth. And I won't come in your mailbox."
Can Bush even get it up?
Much less come?
Basically, Atrios has no credit on this issue and that's good. To paraphrase him, let the seriously serious people who are serious about serious foreign policy discuss these things.
Those "serious people" sure did a hell of a job in Iraq, didn't they, Dustin?
Given a choice between listening to Atrios and listening to Donald Rumsfeld, I'd go with Mr. Black every single time.
Shelly Winters died? Somehow this strikes me like Bush nabbing Al Qaeda's number 2 man.
Again?
When and how was this catchphrase retired?
Oh, crud. Shelley Winters died.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 3:23 pm | #
yes; very sad. i loved shelley.
and to add insult to injury, we'll be subject to marathon showings of the poseiden adventure all week.
Iran unmoved by referral threats
The president of Iran has said his country will not be deflected from its right to develop nuclear technology by referral to the UN Security Council.
He also accused the West of being "war criminals" who had equipped Israel with nuclear arms.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Saturday that Iran's nuclear programme was the "nation's right".
"If they want to destroy the Iranian nation's rights by that course, they will not succeed," he told a news conference when asked about European moves to refer Tehran to the world body over a suspected atomic weapons programme.
Ever think your spitting in the wind dims?
"People feel that fighting oppression is more important than spiritual interests. That's wrong. The struggle against oppression and injustice is always going to be there,
but the Devil himself is the one who creates it."
- Bob Dylan
TERRANCE, THIS IS STUPID STUFF.
No distopian musings, please.
"Politics is a cut-throat business," said Jonathon "The Impaler" Sharkey, who said he plans to announce his bid for governor Friday on the ticket of the Vampyres, Witches and Pagans Party.
Like Jesse "The Body" Ventura, who was elected governor as an independent in 1998, the 41-year-old Sharkey once was a wrestler. He went by the nickname "The Unholiest of Kings: Tarantula" on obscure professional circuits.
"I'm a satanist who doesn't hate Jesus," Sharkey told Reuters. "I just hate God the Father."
However, he claims to respect all religions and if elected, will post "everything from the Ten Commandments to the Wicca Reed" in government buildings.
Sharkey also pledged to execute convicted murders and child molesters personally by impaling them on a wooden pole outside the state capitol.
He makes more sense than the Repukes, actually!
Democrats in the House and Senate are as connected to the tit of corporations as are Republicans.
DLCers, the K-Street prostitutes.
.
To paraphrase him, let the seriously serious people who are serious about serious foreign policy discuss these things.
Or we could just blow up some more Pakistani villagers.
Another "Great" Depression.
The LAST one sure pissed the American people off at the Repukes.
Terry C,
Yeah, but it sure was a high fucking price to pay.
It was hell - people literally could not afford to keep from starving to death. Thousands and thousands lost everything they had, everything they had ever worked for.
I watched that documentary "Country Boys" this week. One of the kids, who was on SSI, found it primary that the effin' cable bill be paid.
Never mind he was living an absolute squallor; or that his father was drinking himself to death; or his mom was ripping him off...
I'll just leave it at that.
Well it makes sense. That cable is the only way "out" he sees. Sure, it's temporary and then it's back to squalor, but it's the only escape he sees. What's he going to do? Go to Bush's touted community college and prepare for a job that will get outsourced to India? During the Depression, people would spend what little cash they had for hooch or a movie musical because both gave them an hour or so respite from the real world. Poor Romans put up with a lot in exchange for circuses. Course, they got some bread, as well.
dith | 01.14.06 - 3:25 pm | #
You really do not know what the fuck you are talking about, do you?
dirk,
Maybe they'll show Lolita instead....
first tolstoy, now dylan!
dith, you are a riot. an idiot, but a riot nonetheless.
I think the cival war started with the "capturing" of the voting machinery in '02. It's been going bad for our side ever since.
That's why Minnesota will save us all!
rorschach
Oh, Jeebus...
We make one (huge) mistake, and all of the freaks come out of the woodwork.
That guy got front page coverage in the metro section of the Strib, and he was on one of the local news shows last night.
Please, quit pointing out our flaws, and let Ontario or Manitoba annex us...
Hecate, you've hit on the Boosh deficit-cutting plan. Make the circuses good enough, and no one will mind if you skip the bread!
Maybe they'll show Lolita instead....
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 3:27 pm | #
that would be nice, but i would be frankly surprised.
of all her great work, they will pick the least common denominator
(although TCM may do her some justice and show several of her best. i'll keep my fingers crossed)
When and how was this catchphrase retired?
catalexis | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 3:25 pm | #
Right after EschaCon.
I had to do it after I realized
I couldn't introduce myself to
Paul Krugman because I was afraid
that he'd go "Oh, you're the guy
who asks trolls to blow him."
Smitty W has the franchise now.
Another "Great" Depression.
The LAST one sure pissed the American people off at the Repukes.
Terry C,
Yeah, but it sure was a high fucking price to pay.
It was hell - people literally could not afford to keep from starving to death. Thousands and thousands lost everything they had, everything they had ever worked for.
Tena
Tena:
Agreed.
My parents lived through it and told me all about it.
But people are going to not be able to afford to keep from starving to death. Thousands and thousands are going to lose everything they had, everything they had ever worked for NOW under this asshole and his cohorts.
Something's gotta give...and soon!
Shelly Winters and Ann Miera were attending a reception at which a guestbook had been placed on a table. Not seeing the Dominican Sister getting her pen ready Miss Winters moved to add her name to the list and was gently reminded to... "Wait till the nun signs, Shelly."
Maybe they'll show Lolita instead....
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 3:27 pm | #
I wish they would show "Let No Man Write My Epitath".
I haven't seen that in years and I love it!
Brown: Remembrance Sunday should become 'British Day'
Chancellor advocates annual celebration to emulate Fourth of July
Gordon Brown will propose today that Remembrance Sunday should be developed into a national day of patriotism to celebrate British history, achievements and culture. The chancellor envisages a "British Day", equivalent to the Fourth of July independence celebrations in the United States.
Mr Brown's remarks at a Fabian Society conference sponsored by the Guardian represent his clearest attempt yet to flesh out his personal political programme.
(although TCM may do her some justice and show several of her best. i'll keep my fingers crossed)
dirk gently, sociopathetic
TCM is good for that.
Thank heaven for TCM.
Tolstoy and Dylan are real right wing artists, ya know.
Oh, THAT catch phrase. Yes, I remember you took the pledge and went cold turkey on that one, bravo!
Ya might have seen this already:
Americans saving less than nothing.Spending could outstrip income in 2005, which hasn't happened since the Depression.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
ar...BUG7IGJHEK1.DTL
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We make one (huge) mistake, and all of the freaks come out of the woodwork.
the mall of america?
Shelley Winters and Marilyn Monroe
had an apartment together when they
were both struggling actress
wannabees.
Winter told the story (on the
Dick Cavett show, I think) that
one day she came home and there
was a picture of Albert Einstein
on the mantle, autographed "To
Marilyn, with love."
Shelley asked Marilyn whether she
had boinked Einstein, and Marilyn
just rolled her eyes.
I watched that documentary "Country Boys" this week. One of the kids, who was on SSI, found it primary that the effin' cable bill be paid.
Never mind he was living an absolute squallor; or that his father was drinking himself to death; or his mom was ripping him off...
I'll just leave it at that.
The special I watched on A&E the other night about the meth problem:
These people didn't have a pot to piss in, not too well educated, but all they cared about was getting this poison to put into their bodies.
Pitiful!
Oh, THAT catch phrase. Yes, I remember you took the pledge and went cold turkey on that one, bravo!
Or cold turkeyneck, as the case may be...
During the Depression, people would spend what little cash they had for hooch or a movie musical because both gave them an hour or so respite from the real world. Poor Romans put up with a lot in exchange for circuses. Course, they got some bread, as well.
You know, I cannot blame people for wanting a means to escape, especially if they live in grinding poverty. I don't care if they spend government money - my tax dollars - on cigarettes or beer or whatever the hell. I have loads of choices. They don't.
That's the thing that poverty and no education really does - it limits people so severely that they are effectively trapped. They have almost no choices. Life is a bitch, regardless of your financial status. But if you have some money, you at least have broadened some of your choices and can alleviate some of life's fucked-upness.
TO that add this:
The Kremlin and the world energy war:
The global order is re-dividing into roughly two de facto blocs - one has the US at its core and the other has Russia-China at its core. Energy is the major dividing line between the two blocs, and as desperation for control of strategic energy resources increases rapidly, so will the sharpness of the dividing line between the two blocs. With energy thus serving as a primary catalyst, the resource-rich Eurasian bloc is attaining significantly more gravitational pull than the American bloc.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Cen...a/
HA10Ag01.html
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Shelley Winters and Marilyn Monroe
had an apartment together when they
were both struggling actress
wannabees.
Shelley was what you would call a real "dish" back in the day.
Marilyn would be considered "fat" these days. So would Jayne Mansfield and Jane Russell.
As a teacher of writing, I'm quite familiar with the "quote shopping" process. Essentially it involves pulling a section of text out of context, pretending it means something it doesn't, and then producing it authoritatively as an example of one's briliance.
Unfortunately, since you're dead wrong about what it means, you end up looking like a retard steve won't even ask to blow him. Sad, really.
During the Depression, people would spend what little cash they had for hooch or a movie musical because both gave them an hour or so respite from the real world. Poor Romans put up with a lot in exchange for circuses. Course, they got some bread, as well.
That's why the movies back then were so much "escapist" fare.
NOT saying they weren't good.
I wish they would show "Let No Man Write My Epitath".
I haven't seen that in years and I love it!
Terry C, Uppity Woman
"Death in Venice"
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According to the NYTimes article I linked above, Shelley's list of lovers was pretty impressive, too. Maybe not Marilyn impressive, but still.
Afternoon moonbats,
Interesting conversation. I think the country's going to have to split up at some point. The cultural divides, between North and South for sure, but also between Red and Blue, East and West, are just too vast and unbridgeable now. I'm not sure the various regions will ever again be able to arrive at a consensus on what it means to be an "American." I think that is a relic of the post-war period and, unfortunately, I think it's over. California, Cascadia, the Northeast, even Texas...these are regions that increasingly have less in common with one another and with the country as a whole. When I travel to the South, it seems more "foreign" to me than Europe does. I'd hate to see it come to a second civil war; I'd rather see an amicable divorce than a nasty custody battle.
But if you have some money, you at least have broadened some of your choices and can alleviate some of life's fucked-upness.
Exactly. People are not going to live in grinding poverty and not look for some outlet. The human brain is wired to seek ecstacy. Some poor people get it from meth, some get it from a fundie fire-n-brimstone preacher who riles them up to hate blacks or gays or feminists or whoever. But people are going to seek out something that makes them feel good, even if only for a short time. The fewer opportunities we give them, the more strongly they'll cling to the few choices they do have.
the mall of america?
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Naw...that's (sadly) the bread and butter of "tourism" in Minnesota.
Did you know that Northwest offers "day trips" from Tokyo to Minneapolis, so Japanese tourists can spend the day in the vulgarity that is the MOA?
Disclaimer: I used to work at the mall as a shipping clerk for the Filene's Basement that isn't there anymore.
Marilyn would be considered "fat" these days. So would Jayne Mansfield and
Jane Russell.
Terry C, Uppity Woman | 01.14.06 - 3:34 pm | #
And my personal candidate for
sexiest babe ever -- Janis Paige.
See "Please Don't Eat the Daisies"
when she comes on to David Niven.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0001859/
according to imdb, winters made 130 movies, not counting appearances as herself.
she played the dodo bird in Alice In Wonderland.
i wouldn't mind seeing alfie again.
Terry C - that's true, too - people are being hurt by this administration.
People are starving and losing everything - you're absolutely right. And you're right, too, that something has to give.
It really does. The whole atmosphere is pregnant with it; at least, that's how I've been feeling lately. Something has to break one way or the other.
Marilyn would be considered "fat" these days. So would Jayne Mansfield and Jane Russell.
I would be happy to console them in their despair at not being able to get a date.
Shelley Winters and Marilyn Monroe
had an apartment together when they
were both struggling actress
wannabees.
I remember reading her first book back in early 80's and loved the escapades she and Marilyn got involved in and the dish on men they dated.
Shelley Winters' dubious claim to notoriety was announcing on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson that the kid who played the Beaver (Jerry Mathers?) was killed in VietNam which wasn't true.
Ooops.
.
Oh, fuck.
Hey, who needs national health insurance.
Someone gets suicidal? Just whack 'em!
LONGWOOD, Fla. - A reportedly suicidal teenager who was shot by police while brandishing a pellet gun in his middle school has died of his injuries, his family's spokeswoman said Saturday.
Kelly Swofford, a neighbor who had been with the family, stood outside their home and confirmed the 15-year-old, Christopher Penley, had died.
"They want to donate his organs because that is what Chris would want," Swofford said. "The family is devastated, just devastated."
Penley, of Winter Springs in suburban Orlando, was accused of pulling the pellet gun in a classroom Friday and pointing it at other students before forcing one into a closet, then leading deputies and SWAT team members on a chase that ended in a school bathroom.
When he raised the gun at a deputy, a SWAT team member shot him.
Officers who had responded to the 1,100-student school believed the gun was a Beretta 9mm, and didn't learn until after the shooting that it was a pellet gun.
Naw...that's (sadly) the bread and butter of "tourism" in Minnesota.
i offered each of my kids a "trip with daddy" for their 16th birthday.
eldest choose seeing Phantom in toronto.
next picked Dracula (the ballet) in atlanta (before we lived here)
son choose a ski weekend, which he has yet to collect on (too busy for dad)
but my youngest - the one almost totally raised in east cobb - picked a weekend at the mall of america.
it was, um, eye opening. we rode on the indoor rollercoaster. twice.
i wouldn't mind seeing alfie again.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Leaves the remake in the dust.
And of course, there will be scary terror alerts right before the election, and none afterwards.
Gee, I can't recall one since the 2004 election.
Shelley Winters' best movie:
SATAN'S CHEERLEADERS.
Oh, how I wish MST3K had done it.
Damn! Netflix doesn't have "Let No Man Write My Epitaph!"
IMDB:
This is one of my all-time favorite films. A classic inner city drama which draws you into the lives of the characters, their strengths and weaknesses. A solid cast brings to life the struggles of a group of, for lack of words, losers who band together to help a young man escape a life of poverty filled with drugs, alcohol, and violence. This movie is rarely on TV so if you get the chance, don't miss it. Watch for the climactic final scenes which feature Burl Ives going "through" (as opposed to breaking open) a bolted door, then "absorbing" six rounds from a .38 before throttling heroin pusher and all-around bad guy, Ricardo Montalban. As an added treat, the great Ella Fitzgerald sings in her role as, of course, a singer.
Iran 'does not need nuclear arms'
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that his country does not need nuclear weapons.
At a rare news conference in Tehran, Mr Ahmadinejad said they were needed only by people who "want to solve everything through the use of force".
The president defended Tehran's recent move to restart nuclear research, which has sparked international condemnation.
Iran says it has a right to peaceful nuclear technology and denies that it is covertly seeking to develop weapons.
Atrios, satirist.
Minnesota. The 3rd coldest state in the nation. Brrrrrrrrr.
Got any snow over there Zap? All our snow has melted.
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Marilyn would be considered "fat" these days. So would Jayne Mansfield and Jane Russell.
I would be happy to console them in their despair at not being able to get a date.
Eli |
Fortunately, MANY men don't like the "grapes taped to the pencil" look.
The guys I've "polled" anyway.
NYMary-You got snow there? It looks like it should be here in a few hours.
Have I wandered into the archives? /wipes glasses
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VanishingMiddleClass | 01.14.06 - 3:41 pm |
I like that movie and I haven't seen it in years.
I've requested that Turner show it, but no dice.
Maybe with Shelley's passing...........
According to the NYTimes article I linked above, Shelley's list of lovers was pretty impressive, too. Maybe not Marilyn impressive, but still.
NYMary |
Good for her.
I got on a kick a few years ago of reading a lot about Inuit and other Artic Indian cultures. I remember particularly how in one book I read - maybe Amundsen's, since he had an Inuit wife and lived with them in Greenland - the old women would sit around all winter and talk about all the lovers they had had when they were young. I just loved that. The culture was pretty sexually free and I liked that too.
They boasted of the number of men they'd slept with and how desireable they had been in their day.
I think that's what old ladies should do, so young women need to lay the groundwork for their memories, IMHO.
Shelley Winters' dubious claim to notoriety was announcing on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson that the kid who played the Beaver (Jerry Mathers?) was killed in VietNam which wasn't true.
Ooops.
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Agent Orange | 01.14.06 - 3:38 pm | #
zsa-zsa (or was it eva?) gabor brought her cat on the show and invited carson if he wanted to "pet her pussy" - he replied, "sure, if you'll move that cat out of the way"
i offered each of my kids a "trip with daddy" for their 16th birthday.
That is a lovely idea.
Got any snow over there Zap? All our snow has melted.
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dieselcreek
This has been the warmest January in something like twenty years here in MN.
SHEETS!!
Shelley Winters' best movie:
SATAN'S CHEERLEADERS.
Cleopatra Jones
zsa-zsa (or was it eva?) gabor brought her cat on the show and invited carson if he wanted to "pet her pussy" - he replied, "sure, if you'll move that cat out of the way"
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Who'd she think she was?
Mrs. Slocum?
Oh no. No way. If the color is pink I'll become a fucking republican.
Well, if you feel that strongly about it. At nearly 104, pink is still my best color, but okay. How about coral? A true coral, lots of orange in it? Always attractive too, co-ordinates well. Or turquoise? We're big on turquoise out west, goes with nearly everything.
Shelley Winters' best movie:
SATAN'S CHEERLEADERS.
Oh, how I wish MST3K had done it.
I actually own a copy of this. Brilliant stuff, but I don't think Shelley's in it.
Yvonne De Carlo and John Ireland, sure...
According to the NYTimes article I linked above, Shelley's list of lovers was pretty impressive, too. Maybe not Marilyn impressive, but still.
NYMary |
She was married to Tony Franciosa and Victoria Gassman.
the kid who played the Beaver (Jerry Mathers?) was killed in VietNam which wasn't true
Well, kinda . . .
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We know a couple who for each of their son's 16th birthdays got to go on their dream trip with their dad. The other son stayed home and went out to dinner with their mom.
I thought that was so cool. I only remember the trip the younger son wanted - he and his dad when to LA to see the Dodgers play because the kid was a huge fan.
Sorry - VICTORIO.
Her daughter from that marriage is Victoria.
Remember Shelley as Roseanne's grandma on the "Roseanne" show?
I actually own a copy of this. Brilliant stuff, but I don't think Shelley's in it.
Yvonne De Carlo and John Ireland, sure...
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 3:45 pm | #
Hmmm.....then what am I thinking of?
I know Shelley was in some crappy
made-for-TV horror film about
witchcraft or satanism....
I think that's what old ladies should do, so young women need to lay the groundwork for their memories, IMHO.
This is a brilliant idea, and I would be happy to assist in any way I possibly can.
oh shit, Terry C.
Oh no.
fuck
winters was also an uncredited "girl" in cover girl - rita heyworth's "big break" film.
I can actually see more than 2 sides to that situation.
Tena
Applies to lots of situations, and this is what sucks so bad sometimes about living in the Reality Based World. Sometimes I really do envy the Faithers (well...); it's all figured out for 'em, and they just phone it in. Which has to save a lot of wear and tear on the ol' pumpkin. And they don't ever have to make a wrong decision, 'cause, like, it's impossible, right? It's in the Book! See? There it is, right there on page 137, right under the Plastic Jesus ad...ooh, quick, where's my credit card...
steve -
bloody mama?
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065481/
Hmmm.....then what am I thinking of?
I know Shelley was in some crappy
made-for-TV horror film about
witchcraft or satanism....
The Initiation Of Sarah?
The time-line Atrios presents is way, WAAAAY off. The American economy is scheduled to go belly-up by springtime, which will coincide with the Iranian Euro-based oil bourse appearing in March. Needless to say, the puppet-masters need a distraction (and they're getting impatient to continue with their oil grab). So, given the way that these things go, you can pretty much assume that some horrific "Pearl Harbor" style attack will happen in late Winter-early Spring and that Iran will be blamed for it. In as much as Cheney has ordered that *any* terrorist act will act as a trigger for the nuking of Iran, you might want to take the time (right now) to make sure that your order of Potassium Iodate tablets is en route to you (as radioactivity will make it's way around the planet for months afterwards).
You might also want to take all of your dollar-based cash and exchange it for things that actually have some investment potential (canned goods, small denomination gold coins, safely stored fuels, antibiotics, ammunition and reloading supplies...) as we'll be looking at a new world, post nuke. Given that there will be a large number of Russian engineers that will be vaporized along with millions of innocent Iranians, you might also want to start scoping out a patch of soft soil with good drainage near you......where you can dig a really big hole for your family to reside in during the aftermath. Keep in mind that the hollow-core doors in your current abode are surprisingly strong and can be used to support the sizable mound of earth you'll want to cover that big hole with. Get yourself several large rolls of thick plastic film to use in the construction of your hole.....you don't want to add to the horror of it all by forcing your kids to sleep in cold wet clay, now do you? A little bit of pre-planning now will provide you with a hole that you'd fight to the death to defend (you'll thank me later). A bit of useful information here: Glock handguns will fire even if you've picked one up out of a puddle of mud! Few of it's competitors can make the same claim.
I think we can safely assume that the notion that elections will happen with the Republicans painting the Democrats as "soft on defense" and all of those quaint themes is nothing more than a severe psychotic-style avoidance of what we're actually faced with (which is a bit more extreme than what Atrios describes in his forecast). Personally, I'd suggest that you spend tomorrow shopping for a couple of pairs of the heaviest work gloves you can find for every member of your family (they'll come in handy really soon).
Election Day - Democrats lose 5 seats in the Senate, 30 in the House. Marshall Wittman blames it on the "pro-Iranian caucus."
Not a problem. The biggest obstacle to progressive politics in this country is the Democratic party. A few more big losses and the party may finally die.
or maybe "the devil's daugter?"
http://imdb.com/title/tt0068481/
Shelley Winters was the Queen of Kitchen Sink Drama.
RIP, Shelley!
I like what she did to Oliver Reed.
He was a sexist prick!
Shelley Winters:
Father's name - Jonas Schrift, Mother's name - Rose Schrift Sister - Blanche Schrift.
Her early acting training was under the tutelage of actor Charles Laughton.
Was roommates with Marilyn Monroe when they were both starting out in Hollywood.
Taught Marilyn Monroe how to "act" pretty by tilting her head back, keeping her eyes lowered and her mouth partly opened
Godmother of Sally Kirkland.
Made her Broadway debut as Ado Annie in "Oklahoma!" - five years into its run.
Used her mother's maiden name as her professional name
Has the distinction of currently being the highest ranked female performer on The Oracle of Bacon's list of the top 1000 performers based upon their "center of the film universe" average number. Winter's average link number is 2.696842, placing seventeenth on the list. The places her well above Kevin Bacon, who is currently ranked 1161st, despite being the original focus of the quirky game of linking actors through their co-stars.
Measurements: 37-26 1/2 -36 (as a pin-up starlet in the 1950s)
Godmother of Laura Dern.
She donated her Oscar for The Diary of Anne Frank (1959/I) to the Anne Frank museum.
In The Poseidon Adventure (1972), she plays an award winning swimmer and in A Place in the Sun (1951), she can't swim and drowns.
Daughter with Vittorio Gassman, Vittoria-Gina.
Played the Marx Brothers' mother Minnie in the Broadway musical "Minnie's Boys," which ran at the Imperial Theatre for 80 Performances from Mar 26 to May 30, 1970. It was the penultimate performance of her eight Broadway appearances. She appeared in only one more Broadway show, "The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds," which ran at the Biltmore Theatre for 16 performances March 14-26, 1978.
In her most important films such as A Place in the Sun (1951), The Night of the Hunter (1955), Lolita (1962), A Double Life (1947), The Diary of Anne Frank (1959/I) and many others, her character is often murdered.
Suffered a heart attack on October 14, 2005.
On the 6 July, 1972 episode of "Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson", she grew tired of Oliver Reed's attitude towards women. They had a heated conversation and after Shelley told Reed what she thought of his opinions, left the set. The show continued with Oliver Reed still going on about women while Johnny Carson looked at him in a daze. Shortly afterwards, Winters appeared from Stage left, unannounced to Reed and to the shock of Carson. She was carrying a champagne bucket of ice and water with which she surprised Reed by dumping it over his head. Reed was furious over this and tried to attack her but set personal intervened. The show broke for commercial break. When the show resumed both actors were gone
for those not following the links, "the devils daughter" also starred abe vigoda and jonathon frid (best known as barnabas collins)
it was a good one (if you like chiller theater) - shellet had sold her soul to the devil, so her daughter had to marry a demon.
Who was it who played opposite Burt Lancaster in Come Back Little Sheba? Was that Shelley Winters?
Man that was one depressing fucking movie, from a depressing fucking play.
oh shit, Terry C.
Oh no.
fuck
Tena
Tena - what????
Who was it who played opposite Burt Lancaster in Come Back Little Sheba? Was that Shelley Winters?
Man that was one depressing fucking movie, from a depressing fucking play.
Tena
Shirley Booth. Won an Oscar for that.
I watched that documentary "Country Boys" this week.
Oh, wasn't that just depressing as hell? What blew my mind was the school's willingness to let that poor kid continue to be used by his parents--they never once told the kid that he was not responsible for his family--that his PARENTS were. I wanted to throttle his mother--what kind of totatlly irresponsible individual abandons her children to live with a drunken father? Hello?
I wanted to throttle his mother--what kind of totatlly irresponsible individual abandons her children to live with a drunken father? Hello?
mothra
The type of woman that was raised to believe that anything is better than being "alone."
Terry C - the kid the Florida police shot died - you posted that comment, right?
I was reacting to that.
I had hoped he wouldn't. Yesterday I thought he'd been shot dead, then I read he was just wounded. So I thought he might make it. But he hasn't.
And I hate that.
Karen Carpenter's voice was beautiful
Maybe so, but she made some really, really awful records back in the day.
Ever hear that old joke where after Kurt Cobain dies he ends up in Rock and Roll Hell (being a suicide and all), and Jimi Hendrix and Elvis and Janis Joplin and Sid Vicious and all these other famous rock stars are there. So Kurt is talking to Hendrix and he says "Wow, this is great. Do you guys ever get together and, you know, play music down here?" And Hendrix kind of sighs and says, "Yeah, we have jam sessions every Wednesday night, but I don't think you would enjoy them much." Kurt says "With all the talent down here, how could I not?" And Hendrix says "You'll see." So Wednesday night finally comes and Kurt is all ready to rock out. Hendrix is there with his guitar, and Sid with his bass, and Jim Morrison's doing vocals, but there's no drummer. Kurt says "Come on, let's just start without the drummer." Hendrix says "We can't start without the drummer, because she's the bandleader." And Kurt says "She?"
And just then Karen Carpenter walks in, sits down behind the drumkit and says "Okay, boys, how about we start with 'Rainy Days and Mondays'?"
Thanks for the Shirley Booth answer - I remember now. I only saw it once - that was enough.
Terry C - the kid the Florida police shot died - you posted that comment, right?
I was reacting to that.
I had hoped he wouldn't. Yesterday I thought he'd been shot dead, then I read he was just wounded. So I thought he might make it. But he hasn't.
And I hate that.
Tena
Made me sick to my stomach, Tena.
THIS is what this country has COME to?
Thanks for the Shirley Booth answer - I remember now. I only saw it once - that was enough.
Tena
And later on, she's "Hazel."
I loved that TV show when I was a kid.
my dad when he was in Nepal observed that in Sherpa communities there was a fair bit of equality between the sexes.
the women Sherpas seem to control the purse strings.
More deja vu. An annotated satellite image of Iran.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01...s-the-new-iraq/
It just doesn't get any dumber than powerdump.
Karen Carpenter's voice was beautiful
Maybe so, but she made some really, really awful records back in the day.
Beats the shit out of rap and hip hop!
Among all the bleak scenarios of lost elections and civil war(WTF?), one comment caught my eye.
Why not buy energy-related mutual funds as suggested earlier, make a bundle, and be rich enough to donate serious money to the DNC? Lord knows we ain't gettin the corporate money.
As I recently read, $150/barrel oil will make you rich, or make you poor.
the analogy to doing Iran is the Cambodian incursion. Like that one it wont be a full scale invasion - just some selected incursions to blow stuff up and an air campaign.
And there are lots of other similarities already. And in the future I bet another similarity will be the response of the population
Fortunately, MANY men don't like the "grapes taped to the pencil" look
Always found that kind of unnatural myself. As in "Those grapes can't be real."
A friend of mine described JLoveHewitt as "a popsicle stick with boobs."
Fortunately, MANY men don't like the "grapes taped to the pencil" look
If the 'grapes' are the breasts? Uh, no.
But if they're the ass? Dude, I'm so totally there!
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Beats the shit out of rap and hip hop
In my own personal Rock-n-Roll Hell I will be given a choice between an eternity of listening to the Carpenters, 50 Cent, or a man operating a drill press.
I will most likely go with the drill press.
You left out the part where Kevin Drum and Josh Marshall lend credence and give prominent blogspace to these assholes, then spend the next two years acting like they were never suckered.
The best Democratic response to the Iranian problem would be to demand military action now against the Mullahs, knowing full well that Bush's hands are tied in Iraq. There is no realistic military response to Iran's actions so why don't we get all demagogic on their asses and let them explain why the bombs aren't flying.
it was a good one (if you like chiller theater) - shelley had sold her soul to the devil, so her daughter had to marry a demon.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I hate it when that happens...
To counter the Iran War meme, just tell anyone who's thinking it might be a good idea that war with Iran means WWIII. Iran has oil deals with both China and Russia, and it would not be in their interests to see Iran attacked.
OT Rant:
I am seriously considering telling the DCCC the next time they call me, that no, I'm not giving one more goddam dime until I see the Dems get out in front of this spying on Americans issue. Anyone who seriously believes the administration was only spying on terrorists is stupid and ignorant. If they can't stand up for my very simple right to privacy, the don't get any more of my money period.
This was absolutely brilliant.
Hey!
You're on Metafilter!
Vootie!
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This whole Iran/Iraq thing is getting a little too Orwellian for me...
You know what? If this scenario comes true then this country deserves the consequences. Plus the title of the dumbest fucks on earth.
We see an assassination attempt of zawahiri but oops that didn't pan out, now we have to worry about iran- oops we've known this was coming for years. what else will they try to distract with? Murtha Slime?
You know the tactics aren't exactly new anymore.
Americans are a primative, violent people.
Aw, you screwed up, Atrios! Bush doesn't need any authority to invade Iraq! He already got it when Congress gave him the authority to invade Iraq as part of the GWOT! As we all know, that authority allowed him to spy on American citizens, so how could it not allow him to attack people who are only 45 minutes away from letting us know that the smoking gun is a mushroom cloud? Get out yer plastic sheeting and duct tape, we're gonna have to elevate the terror alerts!
When Al Gore gets the prize the US Supreme Court stole from him in 2000-(winners-keepers-losers weepers) and we then in US move toward weaning off the mid-east energy tit and BushWorld Oil interests Iran will become even more emboldened.Therefore Israel will strike them as soon as it is clear that they are enriching uranium for a weapon. Too bad the Iranian leader is such a sicko which will provoke this destruction upon his country. Israel is not gonna wait for US of A to say it's ok? They will kick ass soon I predict 
"Israel is not gonna wait for US of A to say it's ok? They will kick ass soon I predict "
Kick ass? Hardly. They'll give the Iranians a slap and then run to the U.S. to defend them. What the U.S. ought to do is clear a pathway from Iran to Israel and say "have at it guys". Of course, the Israelis are hoping that the U.S. being in Iraq, right in the middle of it all, will be forced to defend them......If Bush had a brain (hah!), he'd say "nice try assholes..." and step aside while the Iranians send in a human wave in retaliation.
u r teh sux0r
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