I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Yeah!


GravatarOh, new post. Need to read it. Now.


GravatarOh well, dead thread.


Gravatararg, damn blogger post by email. oh well, pretty pictures and links fixed as soon as I can..


Gravatar"I am ragin'ly against absolutely
everything that wants t'force nature
t'be unnatural (be it human or otherwise) an' I am violently for absolutely everything that will fight those forces (be them human or otherwise)"

- Bob Dylan


GravatarHere is what first link is suppose to be:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01...is-the-new- iraq


GravatarTop 10?

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Gravatarthat photo looks awfullt familiar. I seem to remember one that looked almost identical to it justifying Bush's claim the Iraqi's had restarted their nuclear program.

I'm gonna try and google earth it


GravatarThe arrows in the photo actually point to steaming piles of bullshit.


GravatarDay One -
The War With Iran

By Douglas Herman

1-9-5

The war began as planned. The Israeli pilots took off well before dawn and streaked across Lebanon and northern Iraq, high above Kirkuk. Flying US-made F-15 and F-16s, the Israelis separated over the mountains of western Iran, the pilots gesturing a last minute show of confidence in their mission, maintaining radio silence.

Just before the sun rose over Tehran, moments before the Muslim call to prayer, the missiles struck their targets. While US Air Force AWACS planes circled overhead--listening, watching, recording--heavy US bombers followed minutes later. Bunker-busters and mini-nukes fell on dozens of targets while Iranian anti-aircraft missiles sped skyward.

The ironically named Bushehr nuclear power plant crumbled to dust. Russian technicians and foreign nationals scurried for safety. Most did not make it.

Targets in Saghand and Yazd, all of them carefully chosen many months before by Pentagon planners, were destroyed. The uranium enrichment facility in Natanz; a heavy water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak; the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit; the Uranium Conversion Facility and Nuclear Technology Center in Isfahan; were struck simultaneously by USAF and Israeli bomber groups.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran Molybdenum, Iodine and Xenon Radioisotope Production Facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, the Kalaye Electric Company in the Tehran suburbs were destroyed.

Iranian fighter jets rose in scattered groups. At least those Iranian fighter planes that had not been destroyed on the ground by swift and systematic air strikes from US and Israeli missiles. A few Iranian fighters even launched missiles, downing the occasional attacker, but American top guns quickly prevailed in the ensuing dogfights.

The Iranian air force, like the Iranian navy, never really knew what hit them. Like the slumbering US sailors at Pearl Harbor, the pre-dawn, pre-emptive attack wiped out fully half the Iranian defense forces in a matter of hours.

By mid-morning, the second and third wave of US/Israeli raiders screamed over the secondary targets. The only problem now, the surprising effectiveness of the Iranian missile defenses. The element of surprise lost, US and Israeli warplanes began to fall from the skies in considerable numbers to anti-aircraft fire.

At 7:35 AM, Tehran time, the first Iranian anti-ship missile destroyed a Panamanian oil tanker, departing from Kuwait and bound for Houston. Launched from an Iranian fighter plane, the Exocet split the ship in half and set the ship ablaze in the Strait of Hormuz. A second and third tanker followed, black smoke billowing from the broken ships before they blew up and sank. By 8:15 AM, all ship traffic on the Persian Gulf had ceased.

US Navy ships, ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian Ocean, south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US fighter planes circled the burning wr


GravatarUS Navy ships, ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian Ocean, south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US fighter planes circled the burning wrecks in the bottleneck of Hormuz but the Iranian fighters had fled.

At 9 AM, Eastern Standard Time, many hours into the war, CNN reported a squadron of suicide Iranian fighter jets attacking the US Navy fleet south of Bahrain. Embedded reporters aboard the ships--sending live feeds directly to a rapt audience of Americans just awakening--reported all of the Iranian jets destroyed, but not before the enemy planes launched dozens of Exocet and Sunburn anti-ship missiles. A US aircraft carrier, cruiser and two destroyers suffered direct hits. The cruiser blew up and sank, killing 600 men. The aircraft carrier sank an hour later.

By mid-morning, every military base in Iran was partially or wholly destroyed. Sirens blared and fires blazed from hundreds of fires. Explosions rocked Tehran and the electrical power failed. The Al Jazeerah news station in Tehran took a direct hit from a satellite bomb, leveling the entire block.

At 9:15 AM, Baghdad time, the first Iranian missile struck the Green Zone. For the next thirty minutes a torrent of missiles landed on GPS coordinates carefully selected by Shiite militiamen with cell phones positioned outside the Green Zone and other permanent US bases. Although US and Israeli bomber pilots had destroyed 90% of the Iranian missiles, enough Shahabs remained to fully destroy the Green Zone, the Baghdad airport, and a US Marine base. Thousands of unsuspecting US soldiers died in the early morning barrage. Not surprisingly, CNN and Fox withheld the great number of casualties from American viewers.

By 9:30 AM, gas stations on the US east coast began to raise their prices. Slowly at first and then altogether in a panic, the prices rose. $4 a gallon, and then $5 and then $6, the prices skyrocketed. Worried motorists, rushing from work, roared into the nearest gas station, radios blaring the latest reports of the pre-emptive attack on Iran. While fistfights broke out in gas stations everywhere, the third Middle Eastern war had begun.

In Washington DC, the spin began minutes after the first missile struck its intended target. The punitive strike--not really a war said the harried White House spokesman--would further democracy and peace in the Middle East. Media pundits mostly followed the party line. By ridding Iran of weapons of mass destruction, Donald Rumsfeld declared confidently on CNN, Iran might follow in the footsteps of Iraq, and enjoy the hard won fruits of freedom.

The president scheduled a speech at 2 PM. Gas prices rose another two dollars before then. China and Japan threatened to dump US dollars. Gold rose $120 an ounce. The dollar plummeted against the Euro.

CNN reported violent, anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin and Dublin. Fast food franchises throughout Europe, carrying American corporate logos,


GravatarDon't you know we're fighting Iran in Iraq so we don't have to fight Iran in Iran?


GravatarA nuclear Iran is probably a bad thing. Too bad we can't have a rational, dispassionate discussion as to how to deal with or mitigate the situation, but we live in Bush's America now...


GravatarCNN reported violent, anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin and Dublin. Fast food franchises throughout Europe, carrying American corporate logos, were firebombed.

A violent coup toppled the pro-American Pakistan president. On the New York Stock Exchange, prices fell in a frenzy of trading--except for the major petroleum producers. A single, Iranian Shahab missile struck Tel Aviv, destroying an entire city block. Israel vowed revenge, and threatened a nuclear strike on Tehran, before a hastily called UN General Assembly in New York City eased tensions.

An orange alert in New York City suddenly reddened to a full-scale terror alarm when a package detonated on a Manhattan subway. Mayor Bloomberg declared martial law. Governor Pataki ordered the New York National Guard fully mobilized, mobilizing what few national guardsmen remained in the state.

President Bush looked shaken at 2 PM. The scroll below the TV screen reported Persian Gulf nations halting production of oil until the conflict could be resolved peacefully. Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, announced a freeze in oil deliveries to the US would begin immediately. Tony Blair offered to mediate peace negotiations, between the US and Israel and Iran, but was resoundingly rejected.

By 6 PM, Eastern Standard Time, gas prices had stabilized at just below $10 a gallon. A Citgo station in Texas, near Fort Sam Houston Army base, was firebombed. No one claimed responsibility. Terrorism was not ruled out.

At sunset, the call to prayer--in Tehran, Baghdad, Islamabad, Ankara, Jerusalem, Jakarta, Riyadh--sounded uncannily like the buzzing of enraged bees.

-------------------------------------------------- --

USAF veteran, Douglas Herman correctly predicted the aftermath of the attack on Iraq in his column: Shock & Awe Followed by Block-To-Block.


GravatarNatanz, iran is high-rez on goggle earth


Gravatarbut blurred so its hard to see detail


GravatarWhy is the 'Goddess' movement so lame?


GravatarIraq photos from 2002...

http://bond.senate.gov/photo.cfm


GravatarWhy would a nukular Iran be a bad thing? The real terrorist in Washington is freeking loaded with them. And it seems he's itching to use them.


GravatarAtrios is being super secrete!


Gravataror the NSA have somehow intefered with Atrios post.


GravatarBlogwhoring my George Bush fairy tale, for those who like something lighter on a Saturday

Here

I don't like doing that, but market must what market needs.


GravatarPlease come up with an offense today, Skins.


GravatarIf Iran had invaded Canada and Mexico and was rattling sabres about the nasty intentions of the country in between its two occupied territories wouldn't we be throwing together what ever defensive capability we could scrape up?

Why can't anyone put themselves in the other guys shoes so to speak?

You are, BTW, correct that the US has unwittingly undermined Iranian reformers at nearly every opportunity.

My wife grew up in Teheran, we got married there....they actually are just people. Really.


GravatarOH MY GOD!!!
RUN RUN RUN!
There are NUKES in PHILLY!!!
Save us Mr. Preznit!!!

heheh... actually go stuff yourself G.W. and your incompetent party of wankers.

You couldn't even protect DeLay.


GravatarThe best Democratic response to the Iranian problem would be to demand military action right now against the Mullahs, knowing full well that Bush's hands are tied in Iraq. There is no realistic military response to Iran's actions so why don't we get all demagogic on their asses and let them explain why the bombs aren't flying. All the way up to the November elections, Democrats should be on the TV demanding that bombs fly over Iran; and then blaming Bush's inability to deliver on his clusterfuck in Iraq.


GravatarDon't you know we're fighting Iran in Iraq so we don't have to fight Iran in Iran?
phinky

Now, there's a tee shirt slogan.


GravatarAt this point, I think I'd rather be invaded by France.

At least the food would be better.


GravatarI thought we were going to invade Norway next. They have oil, too.


GravatarAt this point, I think I'd rather be invaded by France.

At least the food would be better.
watertiger


As well as snappy french berets for all.


GravatarNo War on Iran!

Iranians for Peace


GravatarBut, as for how we got here let's remember that George Bush helped
kill whatever reformist movement there was in Iran by referring to
Iran as part of the "axis of Evil,"


True, that.

And letus not forget that the US's bonehead "intelligence" opertations not only handed Iran the list of our agents operating inside their nation, but also, perhaps, gave them a nice set of nuclear weapon specs.

See here.

The US is Iran's biggest nuclear benefactor.


GravatarBTW, Blogger's been acting funky for a couple of days.


GravatarAnd if you blow the Think Progress site up really, really big, you can see Moonraker, Dr. No, and key members of SMERSH, right next to the big SECRET UNDERGROUND ENTRANCE sign, along with al-Qaeda's #2.5 (new, improved, longer lasting than #3).


GravatarI thought we were going to invade Norway next. They have oil, too.
Echidne of the snakes


No, Canada. It supplies much of our oil, and it's right next door. Close and cost-effective for pleasurable invading...


GravatarBe afraid. Be very afraid. There's a chance that if people vote the wrong way this November we could get hit.


Hmmmm. Where have we heard this before? Look! Angelina's pregnant!


GravatarAt this point, I think I'd rather be invaded by France.

At least the food would be better.
watertiger

As well as snappy french berets for all.


I don't look good in a beret. Can't we invade Italy? They have lovely shoes.


GravatarAs well as snappy french berets for all.

and cafes with waiters named Jean-Luc!


GravatarGeorge W. Bush is a bigger threat to world peace than all the other leaders put together. Some of the weirdest ones don't have the wherewithal to do squat.

Even the wacko in North Korea is being babysat by China.

He could have handled this a whole lot differently with better results if he had really wanted to.


GravatarI thought we were going to invade Norway next. They have oil, too.
Echidne of the snakes


Nah. Georgie is scared of horses, but reindeers terrify the fuck out of him.


GravatarThe US is Iran's biggest nuclear benefactor.
rorschach


But you're not supposed to remember that stuff. Are you unAmerican or something?


GravatarAt least the food would be better. - watertiger
You can have my escargot and my share of the French cigarettes.


GravatarI thought we were going to invade Norway next. They have oil, too.

Using that logic, it would be best to invade Canada and Mexico. But of course if we let them vote in the new North America united states we would never have another republican president or congress and everyone would have healthcare.


Gravatarand cafes with waiters named Jean-Luc!
watertiger


with the snide and sexy arrogant attitudes...


GravatarAll the way up to the November elections, Democrats should be on the TV demanding that bombs fly over Iran

Um, no.

No more murder of innocents.


GravatarGreat fucking post, Atrios.

Really brilliant - maybe one of your best- posted by email and all.


GravatarI don't look good in a beret. Can't we invade Italy? They have lovely shoes.
Echidne of the snakes


I'm sure some riff on the "You get invaded by the country you have" construction would fit in nicely here, but I'm just not quick enough.


GravatarAt this point, I think I'd rather be invaded by France

Charlotte Gainsbourg can invade my house anytime she wants...


GravatarLet us also not forget that the neocon's best buddy in Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi, was passing secrets onto Iran.


GravatarUsing that logic, it would be best to invade Canada and Mexico. But of course if we let them vote in the new North America united states we would never have another republican president or congress and everyone would have healthcare.



Hey! I've got a great idea!


GravatarGeorge W. Bush is a bigger threat to world peace than all the other leaders put together. Some of the weirdest ones don't have the wherewithal to do squat.

Even the wacko in North Korea is being babysat by China.

He could have handled this a whole lot differently with better results if he had really wanted to.
pie


It's not Al Qaeda that bothers me.

It's Monkey Boy!


GravatarI think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA.

I saw my mother today, a fairly non political person. Anyway, she is thinking of buying a new car. She saw an advert on the TV for a Ford Ka. I said what about one like that?

Not Ford, she said.....they are American, I won't but American. The fact that the car is not even made in the USA is irrelevant. I hope his corporate backers are happy.


Gravatarwith the snide and sexy arrogant attitudes...
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 5:05 pm | #


o, oui?


GravatarAt this point, I think I'd rather be invaded by France


Or Canada.


Gravatararg, damn blogger post by email. oh well, pretty pictures and links fixed as soon as I can..

Welcome to *my* world...


Gravatarduncan, do you have a vial of talcum powder? now that would be scary.


GravatarAbbas: Palestinian polls on schedule

The Palestinian president has said legislative elections would be held as scheduled on 25 January if Israel did not prevent the vote in East Jerusalem, and that Hamas could only participate in any future government if it recognised the Oslo peace accords.

Interviewed by Aljazeera on Saturday, Mahmoud Abbas said he expects the Israeli government to accept the holding of elections in Jerusalem in accordance with the terms agreed on by the Palestinian and Israeli authorities during the 1996 vote.


GravatarI think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA.


And none of his enablers are going to tell him.


Gravataro, oui?
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Don't do that to me, dirk. You know I can't resist when you say yes to me...


GravatarNo, Canada. It supplies much of our oil, and it's right next door. Close and cost-effective for pleasurable invading...
Marcia Brady ∞


We are well protected by the 101st Blackfly squadron, bring DEET, they think it's ketchup!


GravatarUsing that logic, it would be best to invade Canada and Mexico. But of course if we let them vote in the new North America united states we would never have another republican president or congress and everyone would have healthcare.

Also... polygamy!


GravatarCaan't we just give Texas away, no wars, and not have a border with Mexico? It's too dry right now to be any good, right? Not that anyone much would take it.


GravatarLet us also not forget that the neocon's best buddy in Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi, was passing secrets onto Iran.

Okay, so when we wanted to invade Iraq, our man Chalabi was leaking info to Iran. Now we want to invade Iran, which means we have a guy there who's gonna leak to . . . North Korea?

I mean, with this crowd in power, it only stands to reason.


GravatarLet us also not forget that the neocon's best buddy in Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi, was passing secrets onto Iran.
Richard |


This is what thinking you are so fucking smart gets you. The neo-cons thought they were so fucking smart they could outfox the whole middle east.

Fucking fools - they've been totally taken by Chalabi, a 3d rate conman.


Gravatar I think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA.

I think he knows but doesn't care. He doesn't care about any of the little people.


GravatarNot Ford, she said.....they are American, I won't but American. The fact that the car is not even made in the USA is irrelevant. I hope his corporate backers are happy.
sally


I like those mini Coopers.

And the Toyota (?) Scion.


Gravatarlet me say this:

no new state acquiring nukes is a serious threat (at least, not a military one - an accident could be environmentally disasterous, but the last time that happened it was a power plant, not a bomb).

mutual assured destruction worked as a deterent with the ussr - with iran (as with iraq) we would have unilateral assured destruction.

of course, having nukes in an unstable country where they could later be stolen/sold off is a problem. but iraq is NOT a threat to the us.


GravatarWe are well protected by the 101st Blackfly squadron, bring DEET, they think it's ketchup!
JR


Don't mess around with the shock and awe, baby! Plus y'all are concentrated on our border for easy shocking and awing.

And to the Blackflies, I say Bring. 'Em. On.


GravatarFucking fools - they've been totally taken by Chalabi, a 3d rate conman.

Or it could just be professional courtesy.


GravatarDon't do that to me, dirk. You know I can't resist when you say yes to me...
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 5:10 pm | #


si, yo se.


GravatarAlso... polygamy!
rorschach



Only if it's for both genders.


Gravatarrorschach,

That sort of clear thinking is unpossible. Those Canadians will be buying cell phones at WalMart before you know it.


GravatarAmerika droped the A bomb on the most Christian ciy Japan.

Amerika Holocausted Dresden.

Amerika propped up the Shah for two decades.

Amerika shit in the river then complained it was polluted to swim in.

And Amerika purports the moral high ground on Iran's Nuclear goals?

This is too funny.

A drowning man will pull you down with him if you let him. Amerika is a drowning man.


GravatarUSAF veteran, Douglas Herman correctly predicted the aftermath of the attack on Iraq in his column: Shock & Awe Followed by Block-To-Block.
BluePearl -- 4:56 pm


dat's some specific shit...all of it altogether plausible and likely...

especially if there is even a remote possibility of the Pukes losing their Congressional majorities...
.


Gravatarsi, yo se.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


One more time, I dare you.


GravatarCaan't we just give Texas away, no wars, and not have a border with Mexico?

Oh man, I would love for TX to be part of Mexico. Breakfast tacos, cheap maids and yardmen, good pot, healthcare, and we could get rid of the fundies.


Gravatar" George Bush helped
kill whatever reformist movement there was in Iran by referring to
Iran as part of the "axis of Evil,""

a lie, on eschaton, what a surprise.


GravatarWhat is really funny about the Iran think is it goes against all the arguments that were made in the 60s and 70s for having nuclear weapons…..namely deterrent.

The whole point, we were told of having these things was that it would deter other countries from attacking. So much for that argument, you get attacked for wanting them now.


Gravatar"No, Canada. It supplies much of our oil, and it's right next door. Close and cost-effective for pleasurable invading...
Marcia Brady
"

Yep. We import more oil from Canada than anywhere else.

And yet, here we are getting in a snit with them about tariffs and telling them not to go badmouthing us in their elections.

Amazing how that works.


GravatarJoe Bageant: 'Revenge of the mutt people'


GravatarIt's too dry right now to be any good, right? Not that anyone much would take it.
Ruth


I was driving at 5:30 am in SE Texas a couple days ago. It was so foggy there was damn near 0 visibility, had to drive with the wipers on.
When I got home it sounded like it was raining, but it was dew dripping from the trees.

.


GravatarI think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA.

He was never outside the US til he became preznit. He'll prolly never leave the US again after he leaves office. Why would he care what a buncha furriners think?


GravatarI think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA.

I think he knows but doesn't care. He doesn't care about any of the little people.


Kanye West was almost right. George Bush doesn't care about any people.

Heard a story recently from a friend in the WH who said that Bush was at some picture taking event w/ a bunch of WH interns and one of them, obviously a true believer, asked some question about how he held up while being the most hated man in the world. Bush apparently didn't blink, just went into a spiel about how of course that's difficult but when you're doing God's work . . . . blah blah.

He know. He doesn't care.


GravatarOnly if it's for both genders.
Terry C, Uppity Woman | 01.14.06 - 5:14 pm | #


i've always thought it would be more practical for one woman to have multiple husbands than the other way round.

1. less kids
2. ability to have round-the-clock tag-team sex
3. men tend to be more competitive (see #2)
4. more affordable (see #1)
5. multi income families would do better at male wages


GravatarNow let's see...

Back in the 50's, the CIA orchestrated a coup in Iran against a democratically elected leader, mostly because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry.

We brought in a ruthless dicator, helped them establish a fledgling nuclear capability and even shipped in some HEU for them to play with.

The dictator's now gone, a democratically elected leader is back in charge, and now we don't like the fact that they've got a nuclear capability.

Our country's foreign policy would make a great Broadway musical comedy, if it also didn't involve human lives.


Gravatarhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/ 2294509.stm

note please that this poll occurred almost a year after the 'axis of evil' speech.

It showed a large majority of the population in favour of dialogue with the "Great Satan" and nearly half showing sympathy with US policy on Iran.

goddamn neocons at the BBC.


GravatarIt's not Al Qaeda that bothers me.

It's Monkey Boy!


American needs to stop kidding itself. 9/11 could have been thwarted.

And al Qaeda (or a bunch of malcontents who resemble a lot of bad boys in this country) could have been neutralized in other ways.

It's been made so much worse because of the agenda of this administration. I won't even bother calling it incompetence anymore. This was a deliberate plan.

All that death and all that destruction could have been avoided or, at least, mitigated.

And the money certainly could have been put to better use.


GravatarDon't mess around with the shock and awe, baby!
Marcia Brady ∞


The shock and awe will be all ours.

We'll play Stompin' Tom songs REALLY loudly.

Let me introduce you to your future:

http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/


GravatarOne more time, I dare you.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 5:15 pm | #


ja, mein little apple strueddel


Gravatar a democratically elected leader is back in charge,

bwahahahahahahaa!!!!


GravatarAmerica is just behaving the same way Britain and France did when they had their run of the Middle East.


Gravatar" I think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA.

I think he knows but doesn't care. He doesn't care about any of the little people.
Echidne of the snakes


This was one of my favorite pre-election electoral maps.


GravatarThose Canadians will be buying cell phones at WalMart before you know it.
Hecate Malificent



About the disposable cell phones:

MAYBE people are buying them because they don't want to be spied on.


GravatarGood afternoon. moonbats!


GravatarOnly if it's for both genders.

Oh, gay poly marriages are ok with me.


Gravatarnow we don't like the fact that they've got a nuclear capability.

"we" (including the EU) dont like the fact that theyve reneged on the NPT, which allowed them to get hold of the nuclear tech in the first place.


Gravatar"No, Canada. It supplies much of our oil, and it's right next door. Close and cost-effective for pleasurable invading...
Marcia Brady "


They're also our biggest export market, if I'm not mistaken. Prolly wouldn't keep on buying our shit if we invaded, n'est pas?


GravatarFlory--if only he realized how hated he was in his own country.


GravatarOh, gay poly marriages are ok with me.
Hecate Malificent | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:21 pm | #


won't that lead to shepard flocking?


GravatarSo, Zirconium, what should we do about it?


GravatarThey're also our biggest export market, if I'm not mistaken. Prolly wouldn't keep on buying our shit if we invaded, n'est pas?

We'd be able to *make* them. That's the beauty of it.


Gravatarhi vicki!


GravatarThe issue is not a nuclear Iran. The issue is permanent American military presence in the Middle East threatening the Arabic Muslim homeland. As long as there is an American military presence in the Middle East, there will be terrorism. As long as there is terrorism, there will be endless war eroding civil rights and wasting the American economy. The Administration's choice is an American military presence in the Middle East, terrorism, endless war, and a bankrupt police state at home, all for the sake of oil. The other choice is obvious: withdrawal of the American military presence from the Middle East. Spend money and resources to develop energy independence, before we waste another $2T on war that brings us nothing but bankruptcy at home and the enmity of the rest of the planet. If Iran's weapons program becomes a threat, we can take it out with or without a military presence in the Middle East. If Iran was nuclear and we weren't, and they had a military presence in Canada and Mexico, we would be developing nuclear weapons as fast as we could and no one would deny us the right to do so because we're predominantly Christian, Jewish and atheist. Remove the threat to Iran and the rest of the Arabic Muslim homeland in the Middle East, and thereby remove Iran's motivation to arm. Make the tough, hard, and essential American move toward independence, energy independence to be won with the next $2T instead of another war to be lost with the next $2T. If the Democrats don't want to present the obvious choice to the American people, we need an Independence Party to do so.


Gravatar
" George Bush helped
kill whatever reformist movement there was in Iran by referring to
Iran as part of the "axis of Evil,""

a lie, on eschaton, what a surprise.

No, actually quite true. A pro-western reform movement had been growing in Iraq since the mid-late 90's as the mullahs became more irrelevent to the younger Iranians. Once fuckwad Bush opened his mouth however, the mullahs have regained their popularity with anti-US sentiment rising.

George Bush, and his faithful idiots have well and truly fucked America for the next generation. Too bad you're too stupid to understand that.


GravatarJoe Bageant: 'Revenge of the mutt people'
Moonbootica - 5:17 pm


he's raggin on the wrong bunch, imo...just another thug who can't see it's not liberals who are keepin' him and his in the mean streets, but the fatcat corpor-rats... but they ALL 'wanna be like Mike'...


GravatarNim, a funny map. And a true one.


GravatarOur country's foreign policy would make a great Broadway musical comedy, if it also didn't involve human lives.
tubastuff |

Trying to justify this past history is akin to your kid calling you out for being a hypocrit.


GravatarAlso... polygamy!
rorschach



Only if it's for both genders.
Terry C


By definition, it is.

"Polygamy" is multiple marriage, broadly construed.

"Polyandry" is one woman with many men.

"Polygyny" is one man with many women.


GravatarActually that would be "A pro-western reform movement had been growing in Iran..."


GravatarSmirk & Sneer endanger nat'l security: Their 'plan' for appalling draconian measures abroad is usually based on exploiting the War on Whatever for domestic scenery-chewing.
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It's like the whackjobs have no memory or accountability factor beyond transient poll bounces and news cycles. Too fucking bad what they say and do sends ripples long afterwards. (Mission Accodpiece! Bring em on!)
.


GravatarFlory--if only he realized how hated he was in his own country.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:22 pm | #


you'd think the vibes would have stopped him by now - but so far, they've only knocked him off a segway and a bike or two.

[note to NSA: i'm not suggesting doing this on purpose. i can't control karma]


Gravatarhey, chris/tex, that the fundies would run like fleas, I never tho't of that part, that would make the place livable. Now we need to find a way to pass on the $25,000 everyone in the US owes on the deficit. Can we give that to the fundies, since they gave us the cabal that owes it?


Gravatar"Polyandry" is one woman with many men.

polly andre was the most popular girl in my school.


Gravataroops-hypocrite.


Gravatarmullahs have regained their popularity with anti-US sentiment rising.

sez who?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/ 2294509.stm

"It showed a large majority of the population in favour of dialogue with the "Great Satan" and nearly half showing sympathy with US policy on Iran."

btw the guys who took this poll are in jail for subversion. nice 'democracy' ya got there.


GravatarQaeda No.2 away during attack: Pakistan official

way to help Pakistan aganist their own miltias.

this just strengethns the hands of the fundies in Pakistan.


GravatarAmerica's banker, Hu Jintao, will never allow military attacks on China's primary foreign supplier of oil. Not gonna happen.


GravatarEvening all.


GravatarHe know. He doesn't care.
Hecate Malificent


I think Hindraker inadvertently hit on it with his "George Bush, misunderstood genius" piece. I think that's how Commander CooCoo Bananas sees himself, quite possibly.

And of course, none of the Bushes gives a shit what the hoi polloi think about anything.


GravatarOur country's foreign policy would make a great Broadway musical comedy,

Springtime for Hitler?


Gravatar"Our country's foreign policy would make a great Broadway musical comedy, if it also didn't involve human lives."

There was Springtime for Hitler in the movie The Producers. Ought to be able to come up with some for Bush and the repugs


GravatarFlory--if only he realized how hated he was in his own country.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere


Being faced with reality might surpise him, but I doubt he'd care. He's doing the Lord's work. Plus his *base* still believes. He doesn't really care about anyone else.


GravatarAmerican needs to stop kidding itself. 9/11 could have been thwarted.

not when the guys charged with prventing it had no intention of doing so, and were hoping only it just wouldnt be too bad...

and, really, given what it coulda been, it wasn't really...


GravatarJust reading the threads and Atrios' posts, and trying to catch up. I've been enjoying the unusual sushines we've had here all day.


GravatarThis User Hasn't
Moved in yet.

Says Comcast.Net


Gravatarpolly andre was the most popular girl in my school.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Girl, eh? Sure about that, there, dirk?


GravatarWe'd be able to *make* them. That's the beauty of it.
Eli


I'm sure he'd try....


Gravatarbtw the guys who took this poll are in jail for subversion. nice 'democracy' ya got there.

You talking about Iran, or America?


GravatarI am sure I am not the only observer to understand this, but wasn't it obvious that, even in the rosiest Democratic Iraq scenario, that a majority shite government would cozy up to Iran?

I mean, please...


GravatarMAYBE people are buying them because they don't want to be spied on.
Terry C, Uppity Woman | 01.14.06 - 5:20 pm | #


btw, the guys buying the cell phones were resellers. probably on ebay and couldn't get them from their regular suppliers, or maybe they found them cheaper than wholesale at walmart. in any case, they had been reselling phones before the event.


Gravatarnot when the guys charged with prventing it had no intention of doing so, and were hoping only it just wouldnt be too bad...

My point.

I don't know what I would do if my husband or my child had been killed that day knowing what we've known for a long time.


GravatarYou talking about Iran, or America?



GravatarPakistan has its own trouble with their own religious extreminsts.

the bombing of an innocent village just strengthens their hands.


GravatarI am sure I am not the only observer to understand this, but wasn't it obvious that, even in the rosiest Democratic Iraq scenario, that a majority shite government would cozy up to Iran?

I think you mean "majority Shi'ite government". Majority shite government is what we have here.


GravatarGirl, eh? Sure about that, there, dirk?
rorschach | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:27 pm |


sure - she had all the guys!

(c'mon, that was one of my best puns in weeks!)


GravatarGuess that bilge pump!

The Swiftboating of Kerry continues unabated....

"Pretending to be a big war hero and boasting about having medals is a slap in the face to our veterans who were seriously wounded or killed in action," Fox was quoted as telling the Uniontown Herald-Standard in the newspaper's Nov. 1, 1996 edition. "He campaigned as a war hero and I've never seen any documentation that he earned any of these honors," Fox reportedly stated [...]

"The issue here is this idea or pretense that xxxxx knows combat and he's got two Purple Hearts. He's a phony and a liar," Bailey said.
"

Oh, my bad. This quote wasn't about Kerry.
It's about Jack Murtha.

Stick with what works, after all.


Gravatarthe #2 guy of Al Queda was down the chippy.

so my source says


Gravatarja, mein little apple strueddel
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Okay, it's official. I hereby belong completely to dirk gently, except when he's not here.


GravatarToo bad you're too stupid to understand that.
Quantum Mechanic


They are stupid.

They believe that Bush Co. cares what they think. Bush Co. doesn't even know they're alive.

They really truly believe that they will be rewarded for their "loyalty."

Bush Co. is going to give them McMansions, fancy cars and cushy jobs.

Cushy job. Right - when the draft is reinstated, their asses are going over to Iran.


GravatarIt seems to me that Iran's desire for nukes is the obvious response to Bush's moronic "fern" policy. I.e., invade anyone who has anything we want just so long as they can't hurt us back. It just makes sense.

Now, I'd love for all of the nukes in the entire world to suddenly evaporate or become inoperable or something funny like that. In lieu of any divine intervention, however, it looks like we'll have to negotiate them out of the arsenals of various global bullies. With 'Merka firmly at the head of the list.

Unless and until the US disarms, I don't foresee anyone else disarming either. YMMV.


GravatarHere in NYC tonite the weather
sucks.


Just saying....


Gravatar"And the money certainly could have been put to better use."
--pie

I've been thinking the same thing lately. My god, how many times have we had to repair the same oil line, paint the same school after we have rebuilt it five times, and on and on.

What a waste of money.


Gravatar'I was driving at 5:30 am in SE Texas a couple days ago. It was so foggy there was damn near 0 visibility, had to drive with the wipers on.
When I got home it sounded like it was raining, but it was dew dripping from the trees.

.
agAve'

And today I was listening to some cattlemen trying to interest some one in donating hay for their cattle, they've got nothing to eat and the price of hay, plus trucking it in, is way out of reach. Gonna be some desperate times and no rain in sight at all.


Gravatar"You talking about Iran, or America?"

In america they don't string you up by your testicles for calling for dialogue with Iran. lucky for some!


GravatarGirl, eh? Sure about that, there, dirk?
rorschach | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:27 pm |

sure - she had all the guys!

(c'mon, that was one of my best puns in weeks!)
dirk gently, sociopathetic


And yes, it did crack my shit up.


GravatarThey're also our biggest export market, if I'm not mistaken. Prolly wouldn't keep on buying our shit if we invaded, n'est pas?
flory


Why you always have to be shootin' down my ideas, flory. I had a nice little invasion fantasy going there...


GravatarThey believe that Bush Co. cares what they think. Bush Co. doesn't even know they're alive.


Not to take anything away from what you're saying, but the same could be said about the dems and their so called constituants.


GravatarFlory--if only he realized how hated he was in his own country.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere


Oh, no - he's a popular war preznit.


GravatarIran having a bomb doesn't worry as much as the idea of Texas having the bomb.


oh shit....


GravatarRAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.


GravatarIn assessing the Iran threat, we must remember to distinguish the good Ayatollahs who are working with us to establish a democratic totaltarian fundamentalist regime in Iraq from the very very bad Ayatollahs who run a non-democratic totalitarian regime in Iran.

The two are night and day really. One's with us, the other's agin us.
.


GravatarAt this rate, I'll take a field goal.


GravatarWhy you always have to be shootin' down my ideas, flory. I had a nice little invasion fantasy going there...

You can occupy me any day, Marcia. Or we could take turns occupying each other.


GravatarMan, that _Public Zirconium troll
is SO asking for me to
invoke a certain beloved catchphrase
right about now.


GravatarSteve Simels,

Hop on a plane and fly into Kent County International Airport. Nim's been here, he can tell you that it is a world reknowned airport.

I'll pick you up, bring you on over to my house, we'll light a fire in the fireplace, play Scrabble, and listen to tunes.


GravatarThe Swiftboating of Kerry continues unabated....

Cos he's going to be on 60 Minutes tomorrow.


GravatarHey Ruth - Yeah, if we could get rid of the fundies here in TX the place would be fairly good. An influx of hispanics with the fleeing fundies would make it almost liberal. Don't know how we can stick the fundies with the national debt thought, maybe make them tithe more.


GravatarOkay, Pubic, I'll play --

What happened to the reformist movement in Iran?

I'm sure it couldn't possibly have had anything to do with US beligerence in the region, could it?


Gravatarwhat movie should we go see tonight?

my daughter is (arrgh!) at a monster truck rally.

brokeback mountain?
narnia?
casanova?
fun with dick and jane?


Gravatar "You talking about Iran, or America?"

In america they don't string you up by your testicles for calling for dialogue with Iran. lucky for some!


This seems to be the new ethical comparison: If we do better than a someone crazed on religion then we are ethical!


GravatarPubic Zirconium

You're a fucking punk, if you really believe that.

You have been bought and sold to the fucking highest bidder and you don't even know it.


Gravatar"Hop on a plane and fly into Kent County International Airport. Nim's been here, he can tell you that it is a world reknowned airport. "

I've even been up in the control tower!

They got some real maniacs working up there, lemme tell ya. Probably have you land on a moving train, just for laughs.


GravatarOkay, it's official. I hereby belong completely to dirk gently, except when he's not here.
Marcia Brady ?





I love your comments.


Gravatarthe sooner the Iranians get the Bomb the safer we will all be. The Dear Leader has proven that if you have oil and you don't have the Bomb then you are fair game for his insane and criminal tendencies.

the Iranians better hurry up if they want to catch up to the Israeli's.


Gravatarvicki - just for you.
(ok, everyone else can read it too)

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 011306S.shtml

It sounds as if Al Gore is about to deliver what could be not just one of the more significant speeches of his political career but an essential challenge to the embattled presidency of George W. Bush.

In a major address slated for delivery Monday in Washington, the former Vice President is expected to argue that the Bush administration has created a "Constitutional crisis" by acting without the authorization of the Congress and the courts to spy on Americans and otherwise abuse basic liberties.


GravatarRAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

You really don't want me to repeat the past couple of Pat Robertson's insane blatherings.

You moron.


GravatarOh, I'd also be thrilled if France invaded. I'd show up at the door and help show them around. They can bring their food, their wine, their je ne sais quoi... Mais oui. Bienvenue la France! Faites comme chez vous.


GravatarVicki:

Best offer I've had in years.

Unfortunately, I hate flying.


Gravatar"I think Bush has no idea how unpopular he is outside the USA."

I don't think he knows how unpopular he is at home either.


GravatarOnce fuckwad Bush opened his mouth however, the mullahs have regained their popularity with anti-US sentiment rising.

except that the only poll taken of iranian public sentiment (by IRNA no less) pointed away from this conclusion.

Separately, why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty? dont you folks have any scruples?


GravatarI don't think he knows how unpopular he is at home either.

Hardly anyone does.


GravatarBut pie -- those are insane, jingoistic, fundy wacko ramblings on *our* side.


GravatarDon't know how we can stick the fundies with the national debt

A "stupid tax". Everytime they say or do anything stupid, they get fined. The stupider it is, the larger the fine.

I figure the fundy that said that "mammals aren't animals" should be good for the debt of an entire smallish state.


Gravatarwhat movie should we go see tonight?

my daughter is (arrgh!) at a monster truck rally.

brokeback mountain?
narnia?
casanova?
fun with dick and jane?


Why don't you watch them all at the same time: see Heath Ledger in late-18th century period costume have sex with Jim Carrey in a giant magical wardrobe?
.


GravatarIn america they don't string you up by your testicles for calling for dialogue with Iran. lucky for some!

You are correct. They just render you to a acountry that will. Or send you to Gitmo to get tortured. Or to a secret prison. Or . . .

Nah, America is NOTHING like Iran.


GravatarRAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

You really don't want me to repeat the past couple of Pat Robertson's insane blatherings.

You moron.
pie
-----------
Robertson doesn't have the authority that Rafsanjani does.

You moron


Gravatarflory, stop with the madman in the White House and concentrate on the Skins' playoff game!


GravatarSeparately, why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty?

Why are you making excuses for the Bush administration's refusal to comply with international law?


GravatarNim,

You know, I've never been in the control tower.

My sister must really like you to bring you up there.


Gravatarthe Iranians better hurry up if they want to catch up to the Israeli's.

they're 40 years too late. france, savior of civiliazation gave the israelis their bomb that long ago.


GravatarOh, I'd also be thrilled if France invaded

Oh fuck France - right now I'd much rather be invaded by Spain.

Much better government there than in France.


GravatarYou can occupy me any day, Marcia. Or we could take turns occupying each other.
Eli


Mmmm, sounds like a neocon-y good time. Occupy me, baby!

I apologize. I'll stop now.


GravatarIn america they don't string you up by your testicles for calling for dialogue with Iran. lucky for some!

This seems to be the new ethical comparison: If we do better than a someone crazed on religion then we are ethical!
Echidne of the snakes |

Exactly. And I think the catch here is - in America they don't blah blah blah.


GravatarGee...you mean Bush saying he wouldn't rule out using nukes agains non-nuclear powers *wasn't* contrary to the NPT?

If not having nukes won't protect you, where's the incentive to comply with the NPT?


Gravatarexcept that the only poll taken of iranian public sentiment (by IRNA no less) pointed away from this conclusion.

Separately, why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty? dont you folks have any scruples?
Pubic Zirconium
------------
Do not confuse these retards with facts. They aren't interested. Their hatred for Bush overshadows all other priorities.


Gravatardirk gently, sociopathetic - 5:33 pm
casanova
and lemme know if it's any good
(anything'll be better than 'monster trucks', which i would like to see all reduced to scrap bales...)


GravatarSeparately, why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty? dont you folks have any scruples?

And, just as Atrios foresaw . . .


GravatarOh fuck France - right now I'd much rather be invaded by Spain.

Much better government there than in France.


Can I get chica toxica to personally hold me prisoner?


GravatarWhy are you making excuses for the Bush administration's refusal to comply with international law?

i havent said jack about bush. yet you're still spouting bullshit about iran.


GravatarRobertson doesn't have the authority that Rafsanjani does.

Gee, you're dumb.

Robertson even has his own daily teevee show, which gets broadcast nationwide.


GravatarThe zombie Rehnquist just said something funny. And hear I thought it was all serious and shit on the other side...


GravatarMmmm, sounds like a neocon-y good time. Occupy me, baby!

... And we're back to shock & ahh...


GravatarI love your comments.
Tena


Even though I'm chronically off-topic and slightly off-color? You're too good to me...


GravatarRobertson doesZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Meanwhile


GravatarJust shoot me. I can neither spell nor type today.

Oy.


GravatarI read many articles about the impact of the "axis-of-evil" speech in Iran. It pretty much made the reformists look like apologists for Bush and made it much harder for them to exist. What Bush did was definitely not helpful for the opposition in Iran.


Gravatari havent said jack about bush.

Gee, you're dumb or clueless.

Which is it?


GravatarAnd today I was listening to some cattlemen trying to interest some one in donating hay for their cattle, they've got nothing to eat and the price of hay, plus trucking it in, is way out of reach. Gonna be some desperate times and no rain in sight at all

Last time this happened I remember well. I was driving across country to take up work in that place high above Cayuga's waters, stopping at the home place in Salem, MO on the way. We'd gotten into Salem, up the mountain, had a lovely time, discovering my grandmama's childhood home, and the cemetary where quite a few of my people were buried, and then proceeded back down the mountain to keep going east. And the drought broke. Broke with such ferocity I could not see the road enough to find a side, the road curving and turning, not even a brakelight ahead of me to tell me. I still smoked then, and remember my friend riding shotgun lighting them and taking them away as I, white knuckled crept down that mountain in the heaviest most violent rain I'll ever see in this life. Finally, down we were, creeping out to connect with the main road, and off to the side was a Stop 'n' Rob, where we pulled in so as to shudder in adrenalin soaked relief. Then we discovered that -we- had been providing the brakelights, for one after the other came cars and trucks and even a Harley, all of whom had been caught in that downpour. We all of us staggered into the store, needing something hot, quick, sugar, anything. The whitest collection of multi-coloured ethnics I ever saw, that ride down had been something none of us would forget tho we tried. And off to the side, as those who had already gotten their coffee and their co'cola stood and trembled gently, we heard the guy on the Harley belly up to the cashier and demand, right then, 'Gimme some tea. Right now.'

But it was as well in that summer when the farmers in Yuma and Tucson and the Imperial Valley shipped all their fodder to the Midwest, to supply the livestock. I'll never forget the fellows down in Yuma chartering rail cars to send their corn east, without so much as a thought of repayment. Dry farmers every one, they knew what the consequences were going to be to the folks in the center of the country.


GravatarOh, my bad. This quote wasn't about Kerry.
It's about Jack Murtha.

Stick with what works, after all.
Nim, ham hock of liberty


Do you think it would work again? I don't...they'll try, fer shure...but I don't see it working again.
They were able to make the charges stick with Kerry because of the whole Winter Soldier thing and the lingering bitterness a lot of vets felt because of how that was portrayed.
There's nothing like that in Murtha's past. No hook to hang the charges on.


GravatarOkay, it's official. I hereby belong completely to dirk gently, except when he's not here.
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 5:30 pm | #


da, pravda, moi krasnai! et ya lyublyu menoga!

(pretty poor transliteration i'm afraid)


GravatarThose are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. -- Groucho Marx


Gravatar... And we're back to shock & ahh...
Eli


I could use a good shock right about now...









Why do I keep saying these things?


GravatarThere was Springtime for Hitler in the movie The Producers. Ought to be able to come up with some for Bush and the repugs

Bedtime for Bonzo has already been taken.


Gravatardirk,

Go see Brokeback Mountain. Hell, now that I've said that, I might even do that tonight...


GravatarSeparately, why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty? dont you folks have any scruples?

why is Pubic Zirco ignoring the Israeli's as they flout the NPT? why is a a rogue, outlaw state like Israel armed with nuclear weapons allowed to threaten peace in the Middle East?

hopefully, Russia or China will refer the matter to the Security Council and we can initiate sanctions against the Israeli's, as well as companies that do business with the Israeli's. we can all agree, people who don't sign the NPT shouldn't have nukes, right Pubic?


Gravatarwhere's the incentive to comply with the NPT?

wtf? iran was given access to nuclear technology (and abundant technical assistance) in exchange for a guarantee it wouldnt pursue a weapons program. now it is reneging on this promise, and you say tough shit? you really have no principles. its disgusting.


Gravatar The zombie Rehnquist just said something funny. And hear I thought it was all serious and shit on the other side...

Thank you. I try hard to live up to my reputation as the Carrot Top of the comments section. Just ask that HoneyBear person. She friggin loveeeeeeeees me.
.


GravatarSeparately, why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty? dont you folks have any scruples?

And, just as Atrios foresaw . . .
Hecate Malificent


Yeah, it started down there, about 15 or comments into that thread. Pretty prescient, eh?

Either that, or the right is pretty goddamned predictable.

Wonder which?



GravatarTheir hatred for
Bush overshadows all other priorities.
Meanwhile | 01.14.06 - 5:38 pm | #


Anyone who doesn't hate Bush
with every fiber of their being
is either a rat bastard or
insufficiently observant.

I think we know which category
you fall into.


GravatarCan I get chica toxica to personally hold me prisoner?

Now, Eli. She's a married woman.

But Spain or France can certainly invade, as long as they bring the food and wine.


Gravatar"why is Pubic Zirco ignoring the Israeli's as they flout the NPT?"

simple -- they didnt sign it!


GravatarWhy you always have to be shootin' down my ideas, flory. I had a nice little invasion fantasy going there...
Marcia Brady


Which one of us is the evil twin again?

BTW -- did you hear Eli's heart breaking earlier?


GravatarWhy do I keep saying these things?

You're a very bad, naughty person.


Which is what I like about you.


GravatarOh fuck France - right now I'd much rather be invaded by Spain.

Spain would do just as nicely. They also have very nice wine and food. Manchego cheese. Mmmmm. And tapas! And siestas! Now THAT'S living.


GravatarRobertson even has his own daily teevee show, which gets broadcast nationwide.


I think it's some 2.5 million ignorant souls that are treated to brain failure evey day watching his show.


GravatarWhy do trolls assume we have some sort of allegiance with France? The Bush administration in Iraq has been following the blueprint for failure that the French established in Algeria. The use of torture, in particular.


Gravatarchris/TX, How about big billboards saying god told them it's their xtian duty? Oh, and one big smear of something that looks like a vision of the virgin mary on it? Works for me.

As to - 'why are atrions making excuses for Iran as it flouts the non proliferation treaty?'

You're hallucinating,zirc.


Gravatarwell i hate both Bush and Blair.


Gravatarexchange for a guarantee it wouldnt pursue a weapons program. now it is reneging on this promise

How do you KNOW that?


GravatarShelley Winters: dead.


GravatarI kinda like dirk gently too. Although I think I am old enough for him to be my son. Alas.


GravatarBTW -- did you hear Eli's heart breaking earlier?

Nah, I put my heart in an escrow lockbox for safekeeping right before the 2004 election, just in case.


GravatarNo Pubic, I have principles. I even believe my country should comply with them.

Principles that are only for other people aren't exactly what I call principled.

And I notice that you say nothing about Bush's statements that he won't rule out using nukes against non-nuclear powers. And that would clearly violate the NPT.


GravatarShelley Winters: dead.

What, again? I thought she died while swimming out of that overturned ship?


GravatarWhat Bush did was definitely not helpful for the opposition in Iran.
Echidne of the snakes |

And how do we know that in and of itself that was not planned so he had a boogeyman in waiting? They did figure Afghanistan and Iraq to be easy.


GravatarWhy do I keep saying these things?
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 5:41 pm | #


i like to think i have something to do with it.


Gravatari really like dirk gently


GravatarChica's married?

I have gone from thinking she was single, to a lesbian, to being married? Wasn't she talking about nailing her hairdresser or something the other day?


GravatarHow do you KNOW that?

it's breaking seals placed on enrichment facilities by the UN - this is banned by the terms of the NPT. if you are at all serious about ewnforcing international law youd recognize this as something serious not just an opportunity to slam bush or israel.


GravatarGod save me from trolls. I've acquired one who has the tenacity of a Louisiana leech and he's taking up all my time when I should be writing my Assclowns of the Week feature.

Why should I have to defend myself and my methods against someone who's been on blogger since this month? I've been at this for a year. I think I know what I'm doing in the blogosphere. So I defend myself and my methods and now he's pissing and moaning that I'm acting "childish" because I refuse to spend all day fueling his ADHD rants.

You can read the exchange in the comments section of my last blogwhoring post.


GravatarI kinda like dirk gently too. Although I think I am old enough for him to be my son. Alas.
mer | Email | 01.14.06 - 5:43 pm | #


mmmmm - an older woman!

but, alas, i think you are wrong. i have a grandson, could you be a great grandmother?

i thought not.


GravatarAnd I notice that you say nothing about Bush's statements that he won't rule out using nukes against non-nuclear powers

I can't help but think that that would totally freak out every other country on the planet.


GravatarInternational Law -- It's not just for Brown-skinned people anymore.


Gravatarflory, stop with the madman in the White House and concentrate on the Skins' playoff game!
Max Planck


Hey -- I'm a 21st century kinda girl -- I multitask!


GravatarYes!

Touchdown!


GravatarWolcott.


GravatarIf the US isn't bound by interna=tional law or treaties that the US has signed, then why should their victim's be so bound?


Gravatarthe Bush Junta has never followed International Law.

anyway Nation States don't have Human Rights........


GravatarChica's married?

I have gone from thinking she was single, to a lesbian, to being married?


She's happily married, and she is my cyber lesbian lover. Don't ask. I'm not really a lesbian, I just play one on the Internets.


GravatarSpain would do just as nicely. They also have very nice wine and food. Manchego cheese. Mmmmm. And tapas! And siestas! Now THAT'S living.
mothra | 01.14.06 - 5:42 pm | #


how about italy? then we could have a totally new government every few years. and maybe a porn star running it.


GravatarInternational Law - for the little people


Gravataryou have a nice web page ,these are my web pages if you visit them I'll be glad Thanks.


GravatarBlogger is broken?


Curse you blogger!!


Gravatar(pretty poor transliteration i'm afraid)
dirk gently, sociopathetic


When you say it, it sounds perfect.


GravatarQ: are nuclear blasts traceable? In other words, if someone sets off a bomb, can we determine from the chemical composition of the fallout etc. what the provenance of the bomb was?

If the answer it yes, then I would not be QUITE so afraid of Iran having the bomb, because we could announce a "source country MAD" policy: if anyone sets off a bomb in our country, we'll nuke the country that it came from. And that would be a deterrent, though problematic.

If the answer is no, then an Iranian bomb really scares me. They could make a few, give one to al Quaeda to smuggle into NYC, and point the finger at North Korea as the source. (North Korea could do the same.)

Does anyone know?


GravatarI repeat.

How do you know that? How do you know that they're trying to manufacture weapons?


GravatarI like dirk, too. A lot.

He's popular with the women here.

Brokeback Mountain on at 6:50 PM, about 6 miles from my house.

I think I may take a shower, and then take myself out to the movies. Mix it up a little bit.


GravatarEli -- in case you missed it
downstairs, the Shelley Winters
crap-fest that I thought was
SATAN'S CHEERLEADERS turned
out to be THE INITIATION OF
SARAH.


Gravatar Chica's married?

I have gone from thinking she was single, to a lesbian, to being married? Wasn't she talking about nailing her hairdresser or something the other day?


Multi-tasking...


Gravatarwow, Pubic Psychonium is hitting almost every single talking point Atrios schematized. I guess the Rove-bots already have their scripts. when can we expect the Beinart/Witlessman axis-of-evil to start cranking out the "we must attack Iran" op-eds? April, May, or June?


GravatarIf the answer is no, then an Iranian bomb really scares me.

Don't fear.


Learn to love the bomb.


Gravatari really like dirk gently
Moonbootica | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:44 pm | #


ok, that's too many people being nice to me in one day. its going to affect my sour outlook on life if it keeps up, so it's time to bug out. although if anyone wants to sexually harrass me, that would be ok i guess.

(i really like you, too, moon)

so it's italian dinner, and maybe brokeback. or maybe mrs henderson presents.


GravatarGWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar - which is the kind of rain we need, and yeah, I've drven in it not able to see if there's anyone else on the road, and not able to see the next stripe ahead of the one you're about to go over ..... well, please ship any hay you got.

Now I'm going out.


GravatarYou're a very bad, naughty person.


Which is what I like about you.
Eli


Just like, huh? Oh, well...


GravatarInternational Law - for the little people

It wasn't always so.

BTW, Blair can go fuck himself.


GravatarSign me up for the French invasion! I wanna be repatriated back to Paris! Oooh, baby!


Gravatar Shelley Winters: dead.

I was stunned when I heard that. I thought she had been dead for at least a decade.
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GravatarT2, I don't know.

I do know karma. Lotta people think karma's something mystical, but it's really just cause and effect.

Bush and his fans seem to think they've repealed it.


Gravatari like to think i have something to do with it.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Ooooh, yeeesss.


Gravatar wow, Pubic Psychonium is hitting almost every single talking point Atrios schematized.

"if i say something profoundly foolish, perhaps someone will respond!"

what prescience.


GravatarJust like, huh? Oh, well...
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.14.06 - 5:49 pm | #


i'm amorphous.

with that, truly, good night all.


GravatarShe's happily married, and she is my cyber lesbian lover. Don't ask. I'm not really a lesbian, I just play one on the Internets.


Gravatar"..i thought not."
--dirk gently

I have children, three, old enough to reproduce. In their 20s. No grandkids yet. Right now I'm thinking they are smart. Not that I wouldn't like some grandkids, but ....


GravatarAnd I notice that you say nothing about Bush's statements that he won't rule out using
nukes against non-nuclear powers

I can't help but think that that would totally freak out every other country on the
planet.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:45 pm | #


I've said this before, but this
administration
and its
neo-con advocates ares SO jonesing to
drop a nuke on somebody.

They seriously want to mainstream
the use of the bomb as a
conventional tactical
weapon.

They're clinically insane, of course,
but that's the way they think.


GravatarI do know karma. Lotta people think karma's something mystical, but it's really just cause and effect.

And now it's a TV show on NBC starring a Scientologist.
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GravatarJust like, huh? Oh, well...

Like I said, my heart has been surgically removed for safekeeping.


GravatarI do know karma.

Yes, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of immediate personal blowback with these guys, and just as with Heaven and Hell, the idea that they'll suffer in the next life -- or in a few years -- doesn't do much for me today.


GravatarDirk - Can I be your wingman, just for the leftovers of course.


Gravatarso it's italian dinner, and maybe brokeback. or maybe mrs henderson presents.
dirk gently, sociopathetic

I'd go with the lavishness of Mrs. Henderson if you're eating Italian.
While Mountain is good, it's extremely bleak!


Gravatarwell, please ship any hay you got.

You know we will.


GravatarHelloscan.

Vicki, you're a little devil.


GravatarAw, is Earl a Scientologist? Dang.


GravatarHow do you know that? How do you know that they're trying to manufacture weapons?


He is just a typical unconcerned rebublican. Having bought into the media spin and perusing the rightwing blogosphere, he believes he has inside information. Little does he know, that his duplicity in the biggest scam in history is being perpertrated on him and his ilk. He and his ilk have so totally bought into the rebublican spin and deception, they have no clue what is real and what is percieved and what is total sham.

They are to be pitied, really.


GravatarQ: What should we do about Iran trying to acquire nuclear weapons?

A: Israel, thats who. Likud. Zionazis.


Gravatar4Legs--not only is Blogger broken, but so is Sigalert.com. How's a person supposed to see Syriana in east Ventura county without sigalert?


GravatarI have gone from thinking she was single, to a lesbian, to being married? Wasn't she talking about nailing her hairdresser or something the other day?
chris/tx


Well, except for the single/married part -- are any of these mutually exclusive?


Gravatarpie,

I know. It keeps me sane.


Gravatarcharacter (noun): 1) acting honorably and legally in all circumstances.
2) (neocon usage) asserting immunity from all law, to make sure other people act honorably and legally, except when it serves our purposes.


GravatarShe's happily married, and she is my cyber lesbian lover. Don't ask. I'm not really a lesbian, I just play one on the Internets.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 5:46 pm | #


I feel so much more like a "guy" saying this than I ever do it real life, but why, in my life, has Saturday, the day after a long tedious workweek, become the "day of berating rorschach for failing to uphold household responsbilities."

(/vent. sorry)


Gravatardoesn't do much for me today.

Then log out and play with your kids some more.


Gravatar"
He is just a typical unconcerned rebublican. "

NPT: republican ?

you're a fucking idiot.


Gravatarbad code.


Gravatar Aw, is Earl a Scientologist? Dang.

Yep. Guy went from Kevin Smith movies (Chasing Amy) to worshipping aliens with Tom Cruise. And then somehow landed a role in Vanilla Sky. Good career move.
.


GravatarYou're right, pie. See all y'all!

("Hey, kids...")


Gravatar"Defiance".

t transpires that "defiance of the international community" is a crime meriting sanctions and the threat of air strikes. Iran, for shame, is supposed to be seeking nuclear weapons. Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesperson has said, without any apparent trace of irony, "We believe the combination of fanatical ideology together with nuclear weaponry is a combination that no thinking person can feel comfortable with". And Israel, for its part, may well be considering a military attack. Albeit, however, there may be a modest amount of embarrassment over this.


GravatarI think I may take a shower, and then take myself out to the movies. Mix it up a little bit.
Vicki


I'm going to see Mr. Stephen Colbert tonite.
Anyone ever seen him live?


GravatarLike I said, my heart has been surgically removed for safekeeping.

I'm getting along OK on the remaining shards of mine.


GravatarHot damn! Check out all the men with whom Shelly Winters slept:

With a hearty appetite for food and men, she was not hesitant about naming the actors with whom she had shared a bed, including Sean Connery, Errol Flynn, Farley Granger, Sterling Hayden, William Holden and Burt Lancaster. Ms. Winters and Mr. Holden had a "Same Time, Next Year" relationship, meeting in his Paramount dressing room on Christmas Eve for five years. Her two- year relationship with Mr. Lancaster was more serious. She ended the affair when the actor's wife became pregnant with his third child.


GravatarLike I said, my heart has been surgically removed for safekeeping.
Eli


I guess I'll have to go treasure hunting for the lockbox key...


GravatarThey are to be pitied, really.

My ilk and I dont need your pity. My ilk do just fine thanks.


GravatarThis episode has provided additional confirmation to my suspicious mind after our friends on the right. From now on I'm going to assume that every conservative ideologue with a thesis to grind or a multiplatform career (columnist, book author, blogger, media personality)is on the take until proven otherwise. It'll save valuable time as I ponder deeper questions,

Wolcott's brilliant, but I've said for months that every time a conservative pundit opens his or her mouth the rejoinder should be: Who paid you to say that? Are you on the WH payroll?


GravatarSo Rafsanjani says he's basically willing to trade nuke strikes with Israel as soon as he gets the bomb?

Watch for Bush to just give Israel the greenlight to preempt Iran with nukes and all Bush will do is keep the UN off of Israel.


Gravatarrorschach ~

Full moon, honey. Sometimes, too, we women get bugs up our butts that have little or nothing to do with you gentlemen. However, you're there, so you receive the brunt of the attitude.

I'm sorry.


GravatarHey, we not only kill the innocent, we demand their corpses. FBI wants to check DNA of the dead in the Pakistani village.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/O...n_and_al_Qaida/


GravatarWolcott -


HAHAHAHAHAHhahahahaha!!!! I can't believe that halfwit Fumento thought so much of himself he decided to take James Wolcott on in print.

God - that is one of the funniest, albeit shortlived, war of words ever.

I think I'll start a religion - we'll worship Wolcott as the father and Michael Berube as the son.



GravatarI'm getting along OK on the remaining shards of mine.

The shard is a lonely hunter.


Gravatarres is right. go read wolcott.

he's brilliant.


GravatarMy ilk and I dont need your pity. My ilk do just fine thanks.
Pubic Zirconium | 01.14.06 - 5:55 pm | #


Don't press your luck.


GravatarLike I said, my heart has been surgically removed for safekeeping.
Eli


Good thing with that lightskirt Marcia hanging out here.....


GravatarSounds like Shelly Winters had some good loving. I'm sure her partners did too.


GravatarWhere are you in
The QUEST For BEAVER?


GravatarI guess I'll have to go treasure hunting for the lockbox key...

Do... not... seek... the... treasure...


Um, did I say "Do... not..."? I meant "Do..."


GravatarWho paid you to say that? Are you on the WH payroll?

that mccarthy had some amazing ideas about how to conduct politics.


GravatarHot damn! Check out all the men with whom Shelly Winters slept:

Farley Granger, NOOOOOO!


Gravatar Hot damn! Check out all the men with whom Shelly Winters slept:

She was the Angelina Jolie of her day, without the AIDs babies and all. Can't imagine Angelina getting blimp-like fat though.
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Gravatarbecome the "day of berating rorschach for failing to uphold household responsbilities."

(/vent. sorry)
rorschach


Only on Saterday?

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GravatarLike I said, my heart has been surgically removed for safekeeping.

I'm getting along OK on the remaining shards of mine.
watertiger


I'm with you on that one, sister.

This is how I look at it: the upside is that I have had a rich lovelife over the years. I've been fortunate to have loved and lost, more than once.

Now, if I could just get it to wear I could be truly, madly, deeply loved and kept, it'd be fabulous!


Gravatari'm changing my name to Maurice Morris.

which, if you pronounce it the 'proper' way, is Morris Morris.


GravatarGod - that is one of the funniest, albeit shortlived, war of words ever.


Don't worry, Fumento's sock-puppet battalions will continue the fight.


GravatarMy ilk and I dont need your pity. My ilk do just fine thanks.

talk to us again when your slave-master gets indicted by Fitz next month.


GravatarHey, we not only kill the innocent, we demand their corpses.

Sounds like they don't just want the bodies, they want to desecrate them.


Gravatarsunny floridian ice scrapers


GravatarAnon at 5:55 is me. Haloscan, as always, hates me.


GravatarIt would be a shorter list to say who has not slept with Errol Flynn.

"In like Flynn" - Those Nevin books where filled with great stories.


Gravatarwear = where. I am stunned by my spelling mistakes today. I rarely mis-spell.


GravatarAre we so unprotected here in the US that all we can do is blow up and kill people that have done nothing to us, just in case they might do something to us. I mean if we don't level a whole nation because they might do something to us, we will be unable to deter them in any way. Like they will just walk off an airplane with a bomb and blow up this nation and we have no recourse? It is just crazy. I think I will just go tap a telephone and listen in on somebody since we are all gonna die anyway....


GravatarRedskin playoff defense rulz. I wonder when their offense will decide to suit up?


GravatarBTW, Liberal Elitists: "The Constant Gardener" is a pretty good movie. And ladies and gentlemen, Ralph Fiennes is, well, fine.


Gravatar"day of berating rorschach for failing to uphold household responsbilities."

(/vent. sorry)
rorschach


Having given way too many such lectures, I learned that life was much happier just not paying attention. We each do what we can and in the end it evens out.

Of course, I gleaned this insight after menopause.


Gravatarbut why, in my life, has Saturday, the day after a long tedious workweek, become the "day of berating rorschach for failing to uphold household responsbilities."

And, are you the only one in the household who's had a long tedious workweek?


Gravatarfrom the site k&y gave us,

welcome to sunny florida


GravatarHey, we not only kill the innocent, we demand their corpses. FBI wants to check DNA of the dead in the Pakistani village.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/O...n_and_al_Qaida/
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How do you know they were innocent?


GravatarMy ilk and I dont need your pity. My ilk do just fine thanks.

Heh.


GravatarMy ilk and I dont need your pity. My ilk do just fine thanks.

Heh.


GravatarBTW, Liberal Elitists: "The Constant Gardener" is a pretty good movie. And ladies and gentlemen, Ralph Fiennes is, well, fine.
res ipsa loquitur

Totally concur!


GravatarAnd, are you the only one in the household who's had a long tedious workweek?

(leans forward, interested in response)


GravatarMy ilk and I dont need your pity. My ilk do just fine thanks.

PZ is ilky.


GravatarGod - that is one of the funniest, albeit shortlived, war of words ever

yeah that stuff about vanity fair being "successful" cracked me up. does wolcott actually think that sniffy glossy people-mag-for-rich-folks breaks even?


Gravatar BTW, Liberal Elitists: "The Constant Gardener" is a pretty good movie. And ladies and gentlemen, Ralph Fiennes is, well, fine.

I prefer him as the hero Voldemort who tries to rid the world of the unchristian wizards.
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GravatarGood thing with that lightskirt Marcia hanging out here.....
flory


HEY!

And what's a lightskirt, not that I can't probably figure it out.


GravatarHecate--Haloscan is an equal opportunity hater.

Rorschach--you're married now, boy


GravatarLike I said, my heart has been surgically removed for safekeeping.

I'm getting along OK on the remaining shards of mine.
watertiger


You guys should be like William H. Rehnquist, i.e., you should never had a heart. No heart: no heartbreak, right Bill?


Gravatarnot many reg trolls around today

but plenty of new ones.

its like the changing of the guards heh


GravatarAnd what's a lightskirt, not that I can't probably figure it out.

I think it's some kind of Jedi thing.


GravatarRedskin playoff defense rulz. I wonder when their offense will decide to suit up?
Max Planck | Email | 01.14.06 - 6:00 pm | #

Listen the NW is cursed with professional teams that always choke. Always. Sure they had two winning basketball teams way back when. But that is it and that is all it will ever be. NW pro teams suck. Now if sucking were a sport they would even lose at that.... no really the NW sucks beyond suckdom.....


GravatarVA installed a Democratic governor today in Williamsburg. The Beach Boys are playing at the Inaugural Ball. Bush showed up to help Kilgore, the R, at the last minute, and cost him three percentage points.

I love living in an increasingly blue state.


GravatarAnd, are you the only one in the household who's had a long tedious workweek?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar


Oh...ow.....


GravatarHey, meanwhile's got ya there. Our bombs only ever hit guilty people.


GravatarUm, did I say "Do... not..."? I meant "Do..."
Eli


What if I look down....here? Am I getting closer?


GravatarMeanwhile - how do you know they weren't? In your book. brown-skinned babies are just potential terrorists after all. And just to make sure let's have the families hand over their bodies. What a great country this is.


Gravatarbang


Gravatar No heart: no heartbreak, right Bill?

I'm just about there.


GravatarMoonbotica--new names, same shit.


GravatarWhat if I look down....here? Am I getting closer?

Well, *I'm* getting warmer.


GravatarAnd what's a lightskirt, not that I can't probably figure it out.
Marcia Brady


I believe a good synonym is "roundheels"......


GravatarI wonder when their offense will decide to suit up?

They're out on the links with the Giants' offense.


GravatarHey, meanwhile's got ya there. Our bombs only ever hit guilty people.

That's what makes them so smart.


GravatarThey're out on the links with the Giants' offense.

Actually, it's a foursome with the Giants' defense and special teams.


GravatarEli, we could get by with dumber bombs if only we had smarter commanders.


Gravatarsniffy glossy people-mag-for-rich-folks breaks even?

Why, yes. Yes it does. All those sniffy glossy merchants who advertise to rich people in it pay nicely for those ads. And they work. I broke down today and bought the new Michael Kors bag for summer.


GravatarOT: The US is Somebody's Pet Thug
via Gorilla and RW --
Condi to Norway: Buy from Israel or Else


GravatarHmmm...Amerikans will never learn the subtleties of seperating the garnish of face saving rhetoric of the Iranians with from the meat of its intentions. The Iranian's response to an attack will not be to counterattack the Amerikans or lob a few missiles at Tel Aviv...it will be self-immolation. They will burn their oil pipelines, their terminals, perhaps even their fields.


GravatarI'm just about there.
watertiger


Is this related to the state of the world/country -- or is it personal stuff? (And feel free not to answer.)


Gravatarrorscach - I think Vicki's right - I've been moonier than usual the last couple of days and prone to little fits of anger.

At lunch I started throwing chips at a picture in a mag Mr. Tena was looking at because I thought it was Kay Baby Hutchison. This didn't go over well, especially as it wasn't Kay. It was a realtor with Kay's hairdo ( why anyone would want to wear her hair like that is beyond me - and there are two of them?)


GravatarHey, meanwhile's got ya there. Our bombs only ever hit guilty people.
Yet another Bruce
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Actually, he does. This ain't a court of law, there is no "guilt or innocence" involved. They're hostile, then they're guilty...simple as that.


GravatarI broke down today and bought the new Michael Kors bag for summer.--Hecate

Link to picture?


GravatarI like how Shaun Alexander gets a concussion and they don't rule out that he might return in the second half...


GravatarErrr...Avestus, isn't Pakistan an *ally*?

Or are all browned-skinned people presumptively "hostile?"


GravatarThey're out on the links with the Giants' offense.
watertiger


HEY NOW!!

No need to get insulting....


Gravatarnot many reg trolls around today

but plenty of new ones.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


Gravatar BTW, Liberal Elitists: "The Constant Gardener" is a pretty good movie. And ladies and gentlemen, Ralph Fiennes is, well, fine.
res ipsa loquitur


I've just started reading the book. Strange, usually LeCarre takes a while to grab me, but he's got me hooked right away. maybe cause it takes place in Africa and my daughter is there.

On topic. I really don't believe we are going to bomb Iran unless there is some really, really bad news concerning w that is about to break. Then we'll do it to cover up whatever nefarious doings have been done. Like maybe someone has pictures of Jimmy/Jeff boinking w.


GravatarOr are all browned-skinned people presumptively "hostile?"

Dingdingdingdingding!!!

Being Muslim or Arab-looking is a capital offense now.


Gravatarwolcott has been hitting on all 8 cylinders lately. he wonders why Furmento's pals at Lingerie Media and LGF haven't commented on the fact that Furmento is a paid propagandist.

is there anybody on the payroll at Hudson Institute who isn't either a paid propagandist or an indicted Republican official?


GravatarWho knew Jake Plummer was a hippy?


GravatarThey're hostile, then they're guilty...simple as that. All of those shits in the Raytheon and CIA offices of the WTC. Burn baby burn, sayeth Avestus.


GravatarIs this related to the state of the world/country -- or is it personal stuff? (And feel free not to answer.)

Little bit of this, little bit of that. Of course, it all builds up quite nicely into a monster head of steam. See Tena's comments above.


Gravatarwhoo boy
Hard not to be in a nasty mood when watching cnn.
Where are the women?
Two white attorneys commented on Alito. Rightie was proud to say that now Roe will be overturned. Who was left to fight for us? Some lame white dude I've never heard of.

We are truly and royally fucked beyond belief.

Sorry, just had to vent here.
Thanks folks.


GravatarLink to picture?
res ipsa loquitur


Ooooohhhh...handbag porn...almost as good as shoe porn!


GravatarVA installed a Democratic governor today in Williamsburg. The Beach Boys are playing at the Inaugural Ball. Bush showed up to help Kilgore, the R, at the last minute, and cost him three percentage points.

I love living in an increasingly blue state.
Hecate Malificent


Yay!!


GravatarYou guys should be like William H. Rehnquist, i.e., you should never had a heart. No heart: no heartbreak, right Bill?

Oh if that were true. Although no longer beats it still feels: Broken in two by Judy Miller and Andrea Mitchell, she-devil temptresses, whose beauty had me bewitched.
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GravatarWell, I wrote a story about a planet where they have communal families, though I confess I made the women dominant. No disses on guys in general, it's just that I grew up with 6 brothers and it was too good an idea to resist.

Seriously, I probably should be fearful of a nuclear Iran, but I'm not half as scared of that as a nuclear Georgie.


GravatarThey're hostile, then they're guilty...simple as that.


Living in mud huts and caves = hostile.


GravatarLittle bit of this, little bit of that. Of course, it all builds up quite nicely into a monster head of steam. See Tena's comments above.

I have a lovely picture of W. behind bars, if that's any help...

Anything I can do, just let me know. Especially if involves kitten pictures.


GravatarOoooohhhh...handbag porn...almost as good as shoe porn!
flory


Oh I thought you'd prefer handbag porn to shoe porn.

flory has one of the coolest purses I've ever seen.


GravatarOoooohhhh...handbag porn...almost as good as shoe porn!

Oh geeze!

Can we send the girls to their own treehouse now?


GravatarYes, the little things.
Like trying to drop letters off today at the PO in suburban america. Literally about 15 cars lined up. So I parked a block or two away, walked down and some asshole with their cell to their ear nearly runs me down. I'm in the fucking lined crosswalk! Wife hitting him to stop and the ass just kept going. Gotta get out of this world of parking lots.
whiny titty baby me.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrr


GravatarHecate:

Was it one of these?


GravatarGotta mop the floor here, the sun's coming in and for the first time I can see what's underfoot. The best way to cure sadness is to work. Always remember.


GravatarChristmas handbag porn


Gravatarappalling police state antics at the diaphanous Xymphora.


GravatarWhat 9-11 taught the Terrorists is that Amerikans and the West value their economies more than their lives. The Iranians understand this....they will simply shut off the oil.


GravatarErrr...Avestus, isn't Pakistan an *ally*?

Or are all browned-skinned people presumptively "hostile?"
Yet another Bruce
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No. Pakistan is merely going through the motions of being useful because it had an angry superpower show up on its doorstep right after 9-11. Now it is having a hard time maintiaining it's pretensions of utility. Time will tell if it can get it's act together.


GravatarAnything I can do, just let me know

Thank you, Eli, you're truly a gem.

Burnout ain't pretty.


Gravatarflory has one of the coolest purses I've ever seen.
Tena


Thankee..

You should see the new one!!


GravatarGalloway loses respect with cat charade
By Richard Alleyne and Lucy Shaw
(Filed: 14/01/2006)

George Galloway plumbed new depths when he pretended to be a cat as part of a task set for him during his appearance on the television show Celebrity Big Brother.

The Repect Party MP, who last year lambasted the United States Senate over the war in Iraq, crouched on all fours, purring and licking imaginary milk from the hands of the actress Rula Lenska.

George Galloway pretends to be a cat while Rula Lenska strokes him
George Galloway pretends to be a cat while Rula Lenska strokes him

She then rubbed the "cream" from his "whiskers" and stroked his head and behind his ears before he put his head on her lap.

Mr Galloway, 51, faced an immediate backlash from residents of his Bethnal Green and Bow constituency, east London, who voted for him last May.

He further angered conservative Muslims, who make up the bulk of his support, when he told his housemates, including glamour models, entertainers and minor pop stars, that his favourite pursuits were sex and sunbathing.

James Sibthorp, 47, who runs a cab company in the constituency, said: "It is an insult to local people that we've got our MP acting like a fool pretending to be a cat. I hope he stays in there even longer so that people realise who they have voted for - a self-publicist with a big ego."

Monir Ali, 50, a tailor, said: "I think a lot of people are regretting voting for him. A man of his importance should not be on a programme like that."

Hilary Armstrong, the Labour Party's chief whip, who visited the area yesterday, said the cat incident had made her "cringe".

She said that Mr Galloway had missed vital votes and debates, particularly on the Crossrail scheme and renovation of a hospital, which would affect his constituents.

John Biggs, a member of the Greater London Authority Assembly, said: "Big Brother is full of media people with failing careers making one desperate throw to get back on the stage. Does that apply to George? I'll leave that up to viewers."



What an assclown.


GravatarThank you, Eli, you're truly a gem.

Cut, of course.


Stay strong, darlin' - we need you.


GravatarCan we send the girls to their own treehouse now?
smalfish, not annonymous


GravatarAvestus, better tell that your buddy George W.

On a broader note -- if questioning the CinC is unpatriotic, how come no one questions the patriotism of those who say he isn't sufficiently bellicose?


GravatarThank you, Eli, you're truly a gem.

Cut, of course.


With many facets.
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GravatarHere's the bag although the leather on the one I bought is navy blue so it looks very different. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of the other straw bag I got today.


GravatarWith many facets.

Yes, I am quite facetious.


GravatarThe best way to cure sadness is to work. Always remember.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar


Drinking works too.....


GravatarYou should see the new one!!
flory


Ooh, can't wait.

I bought a nice one the other day on sale - nothing major, just a Hobo, but it's in that incredible shade of green that is so popular now - yellow-green. It's such an ugly color it's cool, ya know? Looks great with red.


Gravatarwolcott has been hitting on all 8 cylinders lately. he wonders why Furmento's pals at Lingerie Media and LGF haven't commented on the fact that Furmento is a paid propagandist.


He's not even a particularly GOOD propagandist, either.

Just another idiot wingnut sucking on the government teat.


GravatarThe best way to cure sadness is to work. Always remember.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar

Drinking works too.....
flory


Well, drinkin' is hard work.


GravatarGotta mop the floor here, the sun's coming in and for the first time I can see what's underfoot. The best way to cure sadness is to work. Always remember.
GWPDA


Quite true, but I don't know anybody who does more than WT. That woman makes me tired just reading her posts.


Gravatar"State sponsored nuclear terrorism/war would require a completely irrational actor, one even more irrational than North Korea's Dear Leader."

There is nothing irrrational about the North Korean leadership. They simply want to be kleft alone to torture their enfeebled population and maintain themselves in power. Heck, the top government and military men maintain barracks full of young teenage girls for their personal entertainment. Why jeopordize that on foolish military and political adventures. However if they ever feel they may lose control and power they will unleash some bad shit.


GravatarGeorge Galloway pretends to be a cat while Rula Lenska strokes him

Been there done that. It sounds resonable. Apart from the fact that Rula Lenska is one of those faux-celebrities. What exactly has she ever done?
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GravatarGreat bag, Hecate. Nice and roomy.


GravatarWhy no one points out that big league genocidal maniacs like Mao or Stalin had the bomb and the means of delivery and we managed to live with that altough they didn't get messages from God to my knowlege so maybe we should worry


GravatarDrinking works too.....
flory


I'm trying to scale that way back. I can get fucked up fairly easily when I drink, I'm a lightskirt in that regard.

Being fucked up doesn't work for me ~ it fucks up things I don't want fucked up, if that makes any sense.


GravatarWell, I'd rather be invaded by Canada. Though this probably isn't the best invasion point for Canadians given how the traffic back up at the bridge and tunnel, especially on weekend nights with all the casino traffic.


Gravatar Great bag, Hecate. Nice and roomy.

I actually think handbag blogging would be an improvement over cat blogging.
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GravatarThe Giants had an offense? Wow. Learn a new thing everyday.

If there is a single solitary thing we can do to cheer up the watertiger, she has merely to axe.


GravatarOTDR

Update: Goat-for-Crack Trial Continues
Uniontown Herald-Standard | Submitted by: chipmunksforsmack?
"A Fayette County prosecutor will recall a witness today to rebut testimony from a father and son from Bullskin Township who are being tried on charges alleging they took part in stealing and killing a neighbor's goat on Christmas Eve 2004 in order to trade the meat for crack cocaine." ... "The three remaining goats were visibly upset for two days following Chloe's disappearance."


GravatarIt's such an ugly color it's cool, ya know? Looks great with red.
Tena


I love that color. Very few people can wear it so there's always plenty of variety left when it all goes on sale....


GravatarQuite true, but I don't know anybody who does more than WT. That woman makes me tired just reading her posts.

Once I see the lights of the airport at Tortola, I'm sure I'll be fine.

I find turquoise water to be incredibly restorative.


GravatarAtios... for the 100th time why cant we get an editing function on this haloscan thingee?


GravatarCat Blogging from Yesterday


GravatarThey're hostile, then they're guilty...simple as that.
Avestus | 01.14.06 - 6:07 pm | #


A genuine sociopath, ladies
and gents.

Also a mongrel idiot.

But the sociopathic thing is
his primary characteristic.


GravatarBy the way Pakistan has been an ally since well before IX/XI and Avestus has no idea what he's talking about.


GravatarOnce I see the lights of the airport at Tortola, I'm sure I'll be fine.

I find turquoise water to be incredibly restorative.


Not a moment too soon, tigre. When are you leaving?


GravatarYou should see the new one!!
flory


Link to pic?


GravatarNo. Pakistan is merely going through the motions of being useful because it had an angry superpower show up on its doorstep right after 9-11. Now it is having a hard time maintiaining it's pretensions of utility. Time will tell if it can get it's act together.

Too much bullshit and too many misspellings to be taken seriously.


Sorry.


GravatarThe best cure for sadness is to make fun of Ann Althouse.

Or so I've found, anyway.


GravatarYou keep harassing Althouse, Thers! That's incredibly cheering.


GravatarBig Daddy,

Preview is your friend.


GravatarHAHAHA! I loves me some Thers!


Gravataryellow-green. It's such an ugly color it's cool, ya know? Looks great with red.

Yes! I love that. I look good in green and it's so seldom popular.


GravatarAtrios... for the 100th time why cant we get an editing function on this haloscan thingee?

He must be busy. It's an obvious error, he'd get it if he weren't busy; he mentions seeing it himself upthread.


GravatarEli,

leaving on the 25th. Ha lay lou jah!


GravatarBombing innocent villagers is one way to strengthen the support of Pakistan's own religious extreminists.

America has just made it that much harder for Musharraf to deal with the fundementalists in his country.


GravatarI love that color. Very few people can wear it so there's always plenty of variety left when it all goes on sale....
flory


I'm one of the few. For some reason, anything bright works with my hair, eyes, and skintone.


GravatarAnd, are you the only one in the household who's had a long tedious workweek?

Yes, actually, I am in this instance.


GravatarHey...I just got a spam for Huggies (no, really).

Which of the WATBs in here could use it most, ya think?


Gravatarleaving on the 25th. Ha lay lou jah!

Woohoo! We'll miss you, but please have a most excellent time!


BTW, Thers, you may need to fix your homepage link, unless it's meant as some kind of oblique Irish joke...


Gravatarmy birthday is on the 25th January.

I turn 20.


GravatarAmerica has just made it that much harder for Musharraf to deal with the fundementalists in his country.
Moonbootica | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 6:22 pm |


Indeed, the main we reason we've loved Musharraf is because of the fundy alternative.


Gravatarisrael first!


GravatarBy the way Pakistan has been an ally since well before IX/XI and Avestus has no idea what he's talking about.

I know that the killing of those people are further inflaming the people.

Avestus, that's what happened after 9/11, you naive little man.

People here actually joined up after that.


Of course, you didn't. You knew it was all a con.


GravatarBTW, if you doubt Bush is losing even the domestic policy issues, remember not everything that happens, happens on FoxNews or by way of the pundits.

Case in point: soldiers speaking up for Murtha.


GravatarCat Blogging from Yesterday
Moonbootica


CAT BLOGGING FROM YESTERDAY:
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/ fankha..._P1141732md.JPG
.


Gravatarfor all the English heads @ here, Counterpunch has a great article up about the long-term bugging of Edward Said by the FBI.

nothing more dangerous than literary theory, I've always said.


Gravatar find turquoise water to be incredibly restorative.

watertiger,


The other morning while i was driving to work, at the intersection of 20th and I Sts. I saw a woman dressed all in black except for a pashmina the exact, and I mean exact, color of the water in the Cayman islands. It was blowing and billowing in the wind and it was everything I could do not to dash into my office and buy a plane ticket. I hope you have a wonderful trip. If my d i l weren't bedridden, I'd be in the Caymans so fast heads would spin, brief or no brief.


GravatarMoon,

since I won't be around on the 25th to say it:

Happy Birthday WAAAAAAAY in advance!


Gravatar HAHAHA! I loves me some Thers!

Snark is the best medicine.


Gravatar"having a hard time maintaining pretensions of utility"

that reminds me of all the trools who use "we" when talking about the Bush Administration & the Republican party leadership


Gravatarhave you thought that Iran is playing us again?

remember the one big victor in the Iraq War is Iran - Suddenly the guy that caused millions of Iranian deaths is gone and a third of the Iraq is ready to join Iran - maybe this bluster from Iran is to flame the Shiites in Iraq to spur on civil war.


GravatarThe bombing in Pakistan has all the elements of a CIA operation:

Everyone in sight killed except the intended victim.


GravatarSimply stunning: The Department of Labor has a 'Special Assistant for Conservative Outreach'

Via the Washington Monthly, we find this item on the K Street Project's home page:
Lynn Gibson, the former Director of the Young Leaders Program at The Heritage Foundation, is now the new Special Assistant for Conservative Outreach at the Department of Labor.
What what what what? Why is the Department of Labor doing "Conservative Outreach"? Your tax dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen.

I am without speech.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/


GravatarNo one is better than you at snark.


GravatarMoonbotica, the fact that Muslims react to our actions in normal and predictable ways just proves how crazy they are./wingnut

Seriously , are the wingnuts in the UK as pathetically shallow as ours are?


GravatarHecate - oh nice. I love that bag.

I guess the one I bought is chartreuse. I always thought chartreuse was a tad greener, but I guess not, to judge by the Kors bags res ipsa linked to.


GravatarEli, nice photos on your homepage.


I'm going to (finally) give in and photograph the UT tower this evening.

Because for once, they have the fountains turned on. And the moon is almost full.


GravatarWe'll miss you, but please have a most excellent time!

Turquoise water + catamaran + snorkel gear = most excellent time!

Hecate, when I actually find time to meditate, I usually focus on that color.


GravatarI find turquoise water to be incredibly restorative.
watertiger


Just stay the hell away from Aruba!!


GravatarT'anks Eli... how'd that happen?

Could have been the "blogpsot" typo though...

(For those not aware of this, just go up to your browser and try atrios.blogpsot.com, and prepare to be amazed... happens with any blogspot address.)


GravatarThe bombing in Pakistan has all the elements of a CIA operation:

Everyone in sight killed except the intended victim.


Am I the only one who's horrified that we apparently think it's okay to bomb 30 people into smithereens and our american media doesn't even react?


GravatarI find turquoise water to be incredibly restorative.
watertiger

Just stay the hell away from Aruba!!
flory




Gravatarre Fumento (at Wolcott, via Moonb) --
Monsanto, the coporation Fumento took money from, is the agribusiness. It's the same thing for practical purposes as Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland. If you go into an American supermarket pretty much every single thing in there is either a Monsanto product or is made with Monsanto products and services. It's like P&G in that there is no mass-feasible way to boycott it.


Gravatarres:
No pic. I bought it at a little boutigue down the street.

Cool chinese imports. Cheap and fun....


GravatarI find turquoise water to be incredibly restorative.
watertiger


You want restorative?

Medoc: 2000. Chateau Greysac is great. But any 2000 will do.

Soft as a pillow.


GravatarEli, nice photos on your homepage.


I'm going to (finally) give in and photograph the UT tower this evening.

Because for once, they have the fountains turned on. And the moon is almost full.


Thanks, and go for it! That definitely sounds promising.


GravatarYet another Bruce yeah we have the same problems.


Gravatar4LG, most of us in here are pretty horrified.

Except Avestus. He seems to think it's pretty damn funny.


GravatarUmmmm, Althouse thinks it's a good thing that there's a blog devoted to showing what a fucking tedious ass she is?


She's even more of a tedious ass than I thought.


GravatarWhoo Hoo!

TOUCHDOWN!!!!


GravatarAm I the only one who's horrified that we apparently think it's okay to bomb 30 people into smithereens and our american media doesn't even react?
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 6:28 pm |


Eat some seeds or listen to some Infected Mushroom. The transition to being Israel is nearly complete.


GravatarSnark is the best medicine.
Thers


And legal!!


Gravatar"I am without speech."


--pigboy


I'm without speech too. I'm not sure how to proceed at this point.


Gravatar(For those not aware of this, just go up to your browser and try atrios.blogpsot.com, and prepare to be amazed... happens with any blogspot address.)

Wow, I win a free laptop and then Firefox crashes. Amazing.


GravatarThanks, and go for it! That definitely sounds promising.


I'm more interested in the fountains than the tower, actually.

But since it's kind of a historical event, I guess I should drag my lazy ass down there.


GravatarWhat would be "conservative outreach"?

Making sure only conservatives get jobs?


Gravatarincredible shade of green that is so popular now - yellow-green

Saw a show about color - they changed the name avocado (sp?) to wasabi to bring it up to 2006. Same exact color.


GravatarJust stay the hell away from Aruba!!

Heh. Got back from the haircutter/colorist earlier. I told her to make me as blonde as possible, because after the past week and a half, I'm going to make sure that I go missing.


GravatarEat some seeds or listen to some Infected Mushroom. The transition to being Israel is nearly complete.


Ack.


GravatarAmerica has just made it that much harder for Musharraf to deal with the fundementalists in his country.
Moonbootica
---------------------
Kinda like how liberals whackjobs make it harder for democrats to deal with normal Americans.


GravatarAh well, sorry for the venting earlier; I ought to take my mood elsewhere, my fellow bats.

Cheers.


GravatarWell, off to take GWDPA's advice then get some live jazz therapy.


GravatarWow, I win a free laptop and then Firefox crashes. Amazing.

Yeah, me too. Thanks, Thers.


GravatarMoonbootica - I don't know that I'll be around on your birthday, either. I'm going out of town on the 22d and won't be back until the 29th.

I'm taking my computer, but I can't be sure I'll have the time that day, so if not:

Happy happy 20th birthday!

I'm really glad you started hanging around with us here. I hope you have a wonderful day!


Gravatarwatertiger and Tena thank you

i am glad i hang around here too!


GravatarDLC

Fixed your typo, concern troll.


Gravatar(For those not aware of this, just go up to your browser and try atrios.blogpsot.com, and prepare to be amazed... happens with any blogspot address.)
Looks like most of the pages that link out of NewsMax.
.


GravatarMax -- its starting to look like the defense is over on the links as well....


Gravatar"I'm not really a lesbian, I just play one on the Internets."

There really is no such thing as a Lesbian. The liberals are just trying to fuck with the pugs' minds.


Gravatarwe are now the country that bombs houses with our drones and then sifts thru the bodies to see if we hit anything important...


GravatarIs there any chance of seceding from the red states. I do want to play with them anymore, they're mean.


GravatarJesus H. Keerist -- 3 fucking first downs!! Its the third quarter and they've only had 3 first downs the whole game?

Oy.


GravatarMoonbootica,

You're going to be 20? Why, Happy Birthday!

I wish I was one-half as clued in as you are when I was your age.


GravatarIt's the same thing for practical purposes as Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland.

When I told my environmental mediator daughter a few years ago that ADM helped fund the NewsHour, she was less than complimentary.


GravatarI just got my February Harper's today in the mail. THere is a first person account in it of the CIA backed kidnapping and torture of Khalid El-Masri, the innocent German Moslim citizen who is now suing George Tenant. Condilezza Rice apologized to the German Prime Minister for this crime in private, and then retracted it publicly on orders from the White House.

It makes me ashamed to be a citizen of the United States inder the Bush Administration. Our government is sick, and must be stopped. Anyone who backs them or allows them to continue with these policies is not a true American, but a degenerate living on our soil, and is now my enemy.


GravatarAh well, sorry for the venting earlier; I ought to take my mood elsewhere, my fellow bats.

Cheers..


Gravatarres ipsa i still have room to learn so much more


GravatarIs there any chance of seceding from the red states. I do want to play with them anymore, they're mean.

Growing pains.

Get over yourself.


GravatarIs there any chance of seceding from the red states. I do want to play with them anymore, they're mean.

Growing pains.

Get over yourself.


Gravatarrorsch,

there's some weird global juju going on.


Gravataravestus and pubic nonsense really should get it together. Neither one has half a clue as to what intrnational geopolitics in the age of Murderin' George entails. Anyone who W calls a bad guy is the enemy; anyone who steals from the public to fund repuke "elections" is a friend. USSR, anyone?


GravatarQ: are nuclear blasts traceable? In other words, if someone sets off a bomb, can we determine from the chemical composition of the fallout etc. what the provenance of the bomb was?
--T2, turkey baster of love

If you believe Tom Clancy, then yes, they are, in fact, traceable to their source(s) of fissionable materials.


GravatarWT -- you realize if you disappear NTodd will never get his eclair?


GravatarSpeaking of Harpers...go to harpers.org and check the new Mr. Fish cartoon. Normally Mr. Fish doesn't do much for me -- but this one's gonna leave a mark.


GravatarLoved this bit from Wolcott's post yesterday Lanny Davis:Looks Liberal, Tastes Like Chicken.


Everyone knows the Abramoff scandal has "Republican" stencilled on every side of it and if you won't/can't use it to jump all over the Republican Party and the DeLay machine, what the hell are you even doing in the Democratic Party? As more details surface, the Abramoff cesspool is going to make the K-Street crowd and their Republicans on retainer look even worse than they do now, and here's Davis waving the white cocktail napkin of surrender and urging preemptive pullback.


Gravatarwe are now the country that bombs houses with our drones and then sifts thru the bodies to see if we hit anything important...


It's the modern version of "kill them all, god will know his own."

Disgusting.


Gravatarrorsch,

there's some weird global juju going on.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 01.14.06 - 6:38 pm | #


True, that. I've been thinking that I've been holding shit together pretty well, but I may need to review that judgment.

So fucking tired.


GravatarThere really is no such thing as a Lesbian.

Oh, honey, we obviously don't travel in the same circles.

Yes, Virginia, there are lesbians.


Gravatarthere's some weird global juju going on.
watertiger


I second that. One of the planets is in retrograde right now ~ can't remember which one.

I'll tell you, though, these fucking retrogrades are rough on relationships.


GravatarWT -- you realize if you disappear NTodd will never get his eclair?


The hell with Ntodd, I'll never get my chocolate pecan pie.


And that would be tragic.


Gravatarrorsch,

there's some weird global juju going on.
watertiger


Some kind of cosmic SAD, I think. Everyone's affected.


GravatarYes, Virginia, there are lesbians.

Scary Virginia?


Gravatarres ipsa i still have room to learn so much more
Moonbootica


That makes two of us, my dear!


GravatarState
sponsored nuclear terrorism/war would require a completely irrational
actor, one even more irrational than North Korea's Dear
Leader.


You mean like the nutcases in the White House and the Pentagon?


GravatarTrue, that. I've been thinking that I've been holding shit together pretty well, but I may need to review that judgment.

So fucking tired.
rorschach


Hey, hon, I'm in that boat with you right now. Seriously.

E-mail me if you need to vent.


Gravatarwatertiger,
then reappear and give our side some air time!


GravatarPrimal Scream - Swastika Eyes

Your soul don’t burn
You dark the sun you
Rain down fire on everyone
Scabs, police, government thieves
Venal psychic amputees
Parasitic your syphilitic
Parasitic your syphilitic

Swastika eyes
You got
Swastika eyes
You got
Swastika eyes, swastika eyes, swastika eyes

I’ll vent my spleen I’ll keep my dreams
My flesh my bones my soul I own
My mind’s a weapon immune from infection
Blood in my eyes, my vision is clear
Parasitic your syphilitic
Parasitic your syphilitic

Swastika eyes
You got
Swastika eyes
You got
Swastika eyes, swastika eyes, swastika eyes

I see your autosuggestion psychology
Elimination policy
A military industrial
Illusion of democracy

Swastika eyes
You got
Swastika eyes
You got
Swastika eyes, swastika eyes, swastika eyes


GravatarSome kind of cosmic SAD, I think. Everyone's affected.


Just this endless flu for me.


I slept until 4:00 today, and woke up with another sore throat and a headache.


GravatarIt's the modern version of "kill them all, god will know his own."

Or the military version of "wiretap everybody and hope you come up with some useful information."


GravatarWTF?
Zombie Rehnquist was using my name in vain.

That's it pal.
I'm calling you out.

Keyboards at 10 paces.

bastige.


GravatarWatertiger,

so you'll be doing this

http://www.divetortola.com/

here:

http://www.imivi.com/Tortola.jpg?


GravatarA true rarity: new Billmon.


GravatarMercury/Mars. Dum, de dum dum....


GravatarWhy are some people afraid of lesbianism? I don't get it.

Live and let live.


Gravatarthey changed the name avocado (sp?) to wasabi to bring it up to 2006. Same exact color.

Yup. I've also seen it called "green tea" -- I'm sure Faith Popcorn had something to do with it.


Gravatarronjazz:

Avestus is a genuinely sick
bastard. A gleeful sociopath.


GravatarPrimal Scream - Exterminator

Gun metal skies
Broken eyess
Claustrophobic concrete
English high-rise

Exterminate the underclass
Exterminate the telepaths
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience

Incubating ultra-violent, psychic distortions
Slow death injectable, narcosis terminal
Damage receptors, fractured speech

No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience

Control violence halluncinatory programmes
Septicaemic interzone, psychic distortions
Satellite sickness tv junk

No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience


GravatarState
sponsored nuclear terrorism/war would require a completely irrational
actor, one even more irrational than North Korea's Dear
Leader.

You mean like the nutcases in the White House and the Pentagon?
--Gary Frazier

Perzactly.


GravatarA true rarity: new Billmon.


I linked to that yesterday.


It's pretty startling, isn't it?


GravatarJust this endless flu for me.

You're sure its the flu? If you're coughing a lot, you might have the pertussis that's going around. Antibiotics would fix that right up.


GravatarInsecticide shots for criminal cops
All jails are concentration camps all judges are bought
Everyone’s a prostitute
Everyone’s a prostitute

No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience

So look out kid, you keep it all hid
You think you’re free, but you ain’t free, just free to be hit
You’re an unchannelled frequency
Nobody’s listening
You imbalanced permanent
Nobody’s listening

No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience
No civil disobedience


Gravatar4LG

Cold Calm is your friend. They sell it at most homepathic places.


GravatarYup. I've also seen it called "green tea" -- I'm sure Faith Popcorn had something to do with it.


I hate her.


I like that apple green color that's been in for a while. So cheerful and festive.


Gravatar
Hey, hon, I'm in that boat with you right now. Seriously.

E-mail me if you need to vent.
Vicki


Thank you, I may just take you up on that.

I knew it was a bad idea to post anything remotely emotional here, and then GWPDA's response was like a cockpunch when my balls were already sore...

Ah well. Fuck it.


Gravatarrorschach - you should be tired. You've had a number of major life changing events over the past year or so.

You were flooded. You lived in a motel for months. You got married. You've had problems at work.

I'd wonder about you if you weren't tired.

and you can always email me, too, if you want.


Gravatarimagine there is no heaven, only sky up above.

all war, all the time... eurasia... and fuck bush and the phoney pony he blew in on.

americans are really kind of stupid. i bet most of them don't even know iran is about to go BOOM!


GravatarGot a Laurel and Hardy DVD on.

"Flying Dueces" where they join the Foreign Legion.

Fun-nee!


GravatarVicki, I have a nom de plume on the internets where I am a lady. Oddly enough, named Victoria.


GravatarI just read that the 8th grader shot by the SWAT team in Florida died.

Breaks my heart.


GravatarCold Calm is your friend. They sell it at most homepathic places.


Good to know.


I've been eating chicken soup. Last night I didn't and now look at me.

Thank god for plush.


GravatarMercury/Mars. Dum, de dum dum....
GWPDA


Yah, I am already so fucking tired of this retrograde that I could scream.

Everything is fucked up.


Gravatarnot many reg trolls around today

but plenty of new ones.

its like the changing of the guards heh
Moonbootica


Or they're just swapping handles every few days.


Gravataramericans are really kind of stupid. i bet most of them don't even know iran is about to go BOOM!
charley


I'm betting most of then couldn't point out Iran on a map!


GravatarEvening, all.

Off to the traditional Saturday
quaffing of elitist blahblahblahblah.

(You know the drill!)


Stay warm, fellow batses!


GravatarIn fact, I have several guys in love me with me as Victoria.


GravatarI just read that the 8th grader shot by the SWAT team in Florida died.

Breaks my heart.
Vicki


How needs national health insurance?

Someone suicidal? Whack 'em!

Horrible what this country has become.


GravatarIs it time to start learning Mandarin yet?


GravatarRorschach, when I sell a million books I am retreating to someplace nice with all of my friends: ya'll come. This world is too fucking crazy for me.


GravatarSpeaking of lesbians, the DC Radical Faeries are having their annual Feast of the Red Dragon


GravatarNot looking good for the Redskins.


GravatarThe Augustine Volcano is erupting again.


I blame chimpy.


GravatarIn fact, I have several guys in love me with me as Victoria.
DWD - Intellectually Paranoid




I bet! You're intelligent and charming! That's fabulous!


Gravatarronjazz:

Avestus is a genuinely sick
bastard. A gleeful sociopath.
steve simels |



No argument here.


GravatarBite me, Haloscan


GravatarWhy are some people afraid of lesbianism? I don't get it.

I, for one welcome our lesbian overlords.


GravatarQueen Victorian did not believe lesbianism existed.


GravatarHecate,

I couldn't access that link. I'm very interested in reading about it, though.


GravatarNot looking good for the Redskins.

Thank the spagetti monster for small miracles.


Gravatar
I'd wonder about you if you weren't tired.

and you can always email me, too, if you want.
Tena


Thsnk you, Tena.

Rorschach, when I sell a million books I am retreating to someplace nice with all of my friends: ya'll come. This world is too fucking crazy for me.
DWD - Intellectually Paranoid


And thank you DWD.

It helps, truly.


GravatarSo look out kid, you keep it all hid hey, they stole that line from dylan. and he's been known to sue.

not to be confused with a boy named sue. one of my alltime favorite song lyrics.


GravatarToo bad we can't have a rational, dispassionate discussion as to how to deal with or mitigate the situation, but we live in Bush's America now...
Marcia Brady ∞


And we have an asshole in the White House with daddy issues.


GravatarFor those of you that are sad, disgusted, feeling poorly or otherwise out of sorts...


as a public service, I will be posting daily doses of lion kitty maxx on my homepage.


It's the least I can do.


GravatarWest pours aid into Turkey as bird flu scare hits heart of Europe

ANKARA (AFP) - Foreign assistance flowed into Turkey from Western countries seeking to help combat the bird flu outbreak as Europe suffered a scare after one person was hospitalized in Belgium with symptoms of the virus.

But Belgium doctors later ruled out bird flu in the Russian journalist who had been hospitalized in Brussels after falling sick upon returning from infected areas in Turkey, where the disease has killed three people.

"We are 100 percent sure it is not bird flu," Rene Snacken, a virologist at Belgium's Public Health Institute, told a press conference at Saint Peter's Hospital in Brussels, where the patient was put under observation late Friday.


GravatarNot looking good for the Redskins.
Eli


Oh, and Go Seahawks! Fuck the Washington Racists!


GravatarMoonbootica,
Happy Birthday, kid.


GravatarRorschach, we can sit and argue for hours about shit that bores most people to tears.

Really, I am with whoever said, "I have no words to express my disgust with this president."


GravatarWhy are some people afraid of lesbianism? I don't get it.


And why do so many guys get off on it?


Until the wife or girlfriend leaves them for another woman, that is.


GravatarI just read that the 8th grader shot by the SWAT team in Florida died.

Breaks my heart.

Vicki

welcome to the new gestalt.

shoot first, worry about broken hearts later.


GravatarMoonbotica - it's your birthday? Many happy returns.

SD


GravatarOh, and Go Seahawks! Fuck the Washington Racists!
rorschach


I'm with you!


GravatarIn fact, I have several guys in love me with me as Victoria.
DWD - Intellectually Paranoid




That's hilarious.


GravatarSarah Deere well on the 25th Jan.

advance b-day greetings


GravatarI'll be rooting for the Bears-Panthers winner, regardless.

I don't know why I can't get into the Seahawks - I used to like them back in the Largent days, and I love their helmets...


GravatarOff for a bit, Bats. This week, w/ Alito, was rough on all of us. Plus, it's still winter with weeks to go until Spring (although my poor daffodills on the West side of the house don't seem to know that) and we've got a long, tough slog ahead of us.

Luckily, we can come here for some companionship and to remember that we're not alone.

It's not frivolous, in times like this, to get a massage, see a movie, eat some good food, seduce a lover or to read some poetry. And never forget, sleep, as a very wise woman once told me, is a weapon.

Arm yourselves, my loves.


Gravatarres ipsa i still have room to learn so much more
Moonbootica

That makes two of us, my dear!


That's the wonderful thing about life -- no matter if you're 20, 30, 40, or whatever, there's always something new to learn and to experience.


GravatarWhy are some people afraid of lesbianism? I don't get it.

I, for one, salute our new lesbian overlords.

Or overladies.


GravatarUntil the wife or girlfriend leaves them for another woman, that is.
Terry C,


My first wife and I broke up because (among other reasons) she decided she was a lesbian.

Now, she's married to a fireman.

Neither option really ever turned me on.


GravatarI want the Bears to win the Super Bowl.

Not that it matters, really, just that I think it'd be cool to see them as the champs again.


GravatarCowboys saddle up for annual gay rodeo
Competition expected to draw 5,000

Jessica Wanke
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 14, 2006 12:00 AM

When a group of gay men with a fondness for bull riding banded together to form the Arizona Gay Rodeo Association in 1986, they were bluntly denied access to many regional rodeo arenas, and even run out of one.

Twenty years later, the association operates one of the largest rodeos in the Valley, the Road Runner Regional Rodeo.

The event is being held today and Sunday with the kind of acceptance that seemed unthinkable at its inception, plastered with the logos of big-name sponsors like Budweiser and covered by international media, including news crews from Germany, England, France, Los Angeles and New York.

"There is growing appreciation of what gay people bring to society," said Brian Helander, a Paradise Valley resident and president of the International Gay Rodeo Association, of which AGRA is a branch.

In contrast with the hostile arenas they encountered in their early days, today's gay rodeo riders are being welcomed with open arms. The Rawhide rodeo grounds, which recently relocated from Scottsdale to the Gila River Reservation, invited the association to christen its new arena.

"We're very excited to have this event," Rawhide spokeswoman Danelle Newton said. "It's a great rodeo, the people are great. It's fun to have these guys here."

About 5,000 spectators are expected this weekend, a stark contrast from the crowd of roughly 300 the association's first rodeo attracted.

As public opinion has shifted, corporations have become less timid about sponsoring gay events, AGRA President Gary Hatterman said.

"I was able to go out there and not be afraid of who I approached and asked for either contributions or sponsorships. It wasn't an issue anymore," Hatterman said.

Derek Dolash of Hensley & Co., distributors of Anheuser-Busch products and grand sponsor of this year's Road Runner Rodeo, said the gay market has enormous potential and is only beginning to be tapped...."


GravatarI used to like them back in the Largent days, and I love their helmets...
Eli


Then Largent became a wingnut politician.


GravatarAnd why do so many guys get off on it?

because it's hot!!! (no i am not ntodd)


Until the wife or girlfriend leaves them for another woman, that is.

bring 'em on. /not being totally serious/

Rorschach, not following thread closely enuf to know, but keep it chill. and DWD thanx for posting the lyrics i couldn't remember, but wanted to hear this morn.


GravatarThen Largent became a wingnut politician.

Was not happy about that...


GravatarSince this thread is so disjointed, I just want to say--

Sarah Deere, when I get up early in the morning and read the overnight threads, I feel like I am a kindred spirit. I love reading your comments.


GravatarIt's not frivolous, in times like this, to get a massage, see a movie, eat some good food, seduce a lover or to read some poetry. And never forget, sleep, as a very wise woman once told me, is a weapon.

Well, many of us have been through some tough times.

Whining is not an option.


GravatarIt's not like Largent was a lineman, and getting hit in the head every week.

He went nutso. I lost a great deal of respect for him. One of Gingrich's stooges.


GravatarBuckeye,

I'm going to be aboard a catamaran, part of a flotilla, sailing around Tortola.

and snorkeling.

and sleeping.

and snorkeling.

and sleeping.


GravatarIt's not like Largent was a lineman, and getting hit in the head every week.

He went nutso. I lost a great deal of respect for him. One of Gingrich's stooges.
Gary Frazier


And apparently went down WITH him.


GravatarIt's not frivolous, in times like this, to get a massage, see a movie, eat some good food, seduce a lover or to read some poetry. And never forget, sleep, as a very wise woman once told me, is a weapon.


And you gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Thank heaven for humour.


GravatarWT -- you realize if you disappear NTodd will never get his eclair?

i'm sure he'll cope.


GravatarWhy are some people afraid of lesbianism? I don't get it.


And why do so many guys get off on it?


Some of my younger straight female friends (in their 20s) are huge Queer as Folk fans. According to one, they like watching the show so they can "perv on the hot queers." They think the guys on the show are hot, and they enjoy watching them have sex with each other. This does not seem to be a predilection that my older (30s & 40s) female friends share. At all. Must be a generational thing...?


GravatarI'm going to be aboard a catamaran, part of a flotilla, sailing around Tortola.

and snorkeling.

and sleeping.

and snorkeling.

and sleeping.


What about snarking?


GravatarSarah Deere, when I get up early in the morning and read the overnight threads, I feel like I am a kindred spirit. I love reading your comments.
mer


Thanks for saying that, mer. I agree with you.

Sarah Deere is a gem.


GravatarAnd you gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Thank heaven for humour.
Terry C, Uppity Woman


Laughter and light-hearted mockery make excellent troll repellent, I find.


GravatarAccording to one, they like watching the show so they can "perv on the hot queers." They think the guys on the show are hot, and they enjoy watching them have sex with each other.

In my experience, both as a person and as the night manager of a gay bar in New Orleans, a LOT of straight women get off on gay male porn.


GravatarWhen Al Gore gets the prize the US Supreme Court stole from him in 2000-(winners-keepers-losers weepers) and we then in US move toward weaning off the mid-east energy tit and BushWorld Oil interests Iran will become even more emboldened.Therefore Israel will strike them as soon as it is clear that they are enriching uranium for a weapon. Too bad the Iranian leader is such a sicko which will provoke this destruction upon his country. Israel is not gonna wait for US of A to say it's ok? They will kick ass soon I predict


Gravatarronjazz:

Avestus is a genuinely sick
bastard. A gleeful sociopath.
steve simels |
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*blush*

Awww shucks. You're just butterin me up


GravatarHere comes the cold front, blowing through NYC.

Supposed to have snow and 50 mph wind gusts through tomorrow.


GravatarIt's not frivolous, in times like this, to get a massage, see a movie, eat some good food, seduce a lover or to read some poetry. And never forget, sleep, as a very wise woman once told me, is a weapon.

Do we have to choose just one?

Or can we do them all?

If it's just the one, I know which one I'm picking.


Gravatarone even more irrational than North Korea's Dear Leader.

Why do you A) buy into the "line" which comes from the same people who sold you the story of WMD in Iraq? B) write something without the slightest basis? and C) write something which helps soften up people's minds to be prepared for the day when the U.S. decides to bomb North Korea as a "preventive" measure?


GravatarRe Pakistan:

As someone said on the cable news yesterday, "Pakistan is just one bullet away from a fundamentalist regime."

I wonder how Der Furher will handle THAT eventuality... Oh I forgot .... it will be spun as yet anothe reason to vote for the War Party in Nov.

Jeebus we are SO fucked.


GravatarActually, I wouldn't mind if France liberated us.


GravatarNeither would I. Vive La France.


GravatarLittle bit of heresy for everyone...

Let's hope Iran goes nuclear. A nuclear-armed Iran is THE best thing that could happen to the world.

Best for us, best for them, best for everyone in between.

Here's hoping they can get there, before Bush gets to the point of following through on any of this bluster.


GravatarLangewiesche has a great article on all this in the new Atlantic. Bush knew from day one that Pakistan was helping Iran constitute nuclear weapons, but has not engaged them diplomatically. He held the knews about North Korea until after the Iraq vote in Congress. He should be condemned for letting things get to this stage.


Gravatar'Completely irrational' _thinking_ permits one to believe that Buscho will not attack Iraq next. Attack does not require foot soldiers. At what point will the people of the West wake up to the reality that Bushco represents an aggressive state?


GravatarI'm thinking you meant to say "Iran" in the previous pose. That's ok. Bush gets them mixed up too.

SombreroFallout has a point. Every nation that does not have nukes is desperatly trying to get them to protect themselves from US.


GravatarI'm for nations defending themselves. I'm not for nations(western-eastern or anything in-between) being led by lunatics who also possess nukes.You name the leaders-I am a Doc and avoid e-diagnosing purposely


Gravatarahmadnajad isn't a lunatic. and the "youth" of Iran aren't looking to have a revolution to embrace the US. All he's guilty of is disliking israel. big deal. watch his press conference on C Span, he's fine. Iran is a little conservative. It's like 1950's era America. Do people really think Iran is going to attack the United States???


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