I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I need to read.
.
third?
Oh, I read that hours ago. 
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Saturday, in the park.
I wish.
Maybe I'm on my own, up here.
.
I think it was the Fourth of July.
yes
A real celebration...
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We can use them if we only pretend to care what they say.
As Sen Durbin says "learn to count."
no filibuster for you cunts.
Stoller's on a roll-er.
Heh.
Need to get out of the office.
Yes I know it's Saturday.
In fact, throughout the discussion, Shafer kept acting abrasively, challenging various bloggers to delete the offensive comments he would put up on their blog that very night.
If you're telling the truth, you're not going to get defensive about offensive comments.
Bloggers do need to stay on topic, and not make personal attacks on those with whom they disagree. There are such things as manners. What really hacks me off is when ANY disagreement, of any kind, is taken as a personal attack. We need to keep the discourse civil. Remember Gettysburg, where it certainly wasn't.
Hey! That's MY Guy!
Nah, I let him off the hook, He can't be held accountable for everything, now.
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bdg,
You like the word "cunt," don't you. Is that because you've never had the opportunity to eat one?
You're a mother fucking psycho ass who doesn't deserve to live. And I mean that sincerely.
Go fuck yourself, you anatomical freak.
Now I must get some work done.
Laters!!
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
Drive by...
Bloggers do need to stay on topic, and not make personal attacks on those with whom they disagree. There are such things as manners. What really hacks me off is when ANY disagreement, of any kind, is taken as a personal attack. We need to keep the discourse civil. Remember Gettysburg, where it certainly wasn't.
PinHouston
Fuck off.
Bye.
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg - 6:33 pm
eat shit and die, cully...
hey vicki!
ring!!!
ring!!!!
ring!!!!
BWAHAHAHAAHHA
If you're telling the truth, you're not going to get defensive about offensive comments.
Yup. What's shameless, to my mind, anyway, is that these people are adults. Well into adulthood. There, for most people, anyway, is a point at which you realize that the truth and good prevail over lies and evil. Why these people are on the side of evil is the mystery to me.
what does a supreme court justice have to do with elections?
Guys - FDL & Kos are on a major roll on the filibuster front. Time to take action and call all the senators.
I'm not a blogger, and don't care much. It's interesting to me that the stuff I find incredibly important (Daou's most recent) is sidelined by our host in favor of this kind of stuff (bloggers vs. the MSM).
To Atrios, that's important. To me, I'm more interested in other things. Blogging doesn't have to be self-referential, but it is. And too much, already, if'n you ask me.
We need to keep the discourse civil. Remember Gettysburg, where it certainly wasn't.
Remember purple bandaides and swift boats.
The gloves should have come of then, and if it's taken this long, so be it.
WATBs!
It's weird to face this constant infantalizing, over and over and over.
stop right there. i'll read it and maybe twice, but i am not a liberal or a democrat, nor do i particualarly believe in democracy.
WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN IS FASCISM!
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg | Email | 01.28.06 - 6:33 pm | #
Just blow me, already. Okay?
By which I mean again, as you
obviously know.
Thank you for your cooperation
in this regard.
bdg, fuck off.
What do you know about American politics?
No, it's not about cursing on the Internet. Yes, Americans are unruly, but generally civil.
And yes, the issue of language used is almost entirely irrelevant.
This is not, how you say, news..
When do we move this conversation along to something meaningful?
I'm not a blogger, and don't care much. It's interesting to me that the stuff I find incredibly important (Daou's most recent) is sidelined by our host in favor of this kind of stuff (bloggers vs. the MSM).
Media is what Atrios *does*, you fucking nimwit.
Troll infestation so early. Jeebuz.
what does a supreme court justice have to do with elections?
nick carraway | 01.28.06 - 6:37 pm | #
well, they did pick the shrub over the real winner in 2000.
Guys - FDL & Kos are on a major roll on the filibuster front. Time to take action and call all the senators.
obsessed
Yeah. Nobody has been talking about that around here in the last few days...
/rolls eyes
I'm more interested in other things.
Navel-gazing?
Whatevah.
bdg is the stalker troll. The one who called me and posted my personal information on the blog.
Nothing more needs to be said about this deranged nut job.
so wait, elmendorf wants to use my energy and money and passion, then pander to a bunch of lazy centrists who don't get involved and probably don't even vote? and ignore my issues?
well excuse me for being uncivil, but FUCK HIM.
I suppose I would be less inclined to dispute the msm if it would just do its job. If it recognized that there are not two sides to every fact, we'd have a start. Then maybe we could move on to actually reporting the news.
Ever skated on an ice-skating rink with an ice cream cone in each hand?
Media is what Atrios *does*, you fucking nimwit.
I know it is what A does. The point is, A writing, or refencing posts about what A does is not all that interesting to me. I'd prefer he focused his attention elsewhere.
This is trolling? Jeebus.
Nothing more needs to be said about this deranged nut job.
Isn't he Canadian?
Well, they have assholes there, too.
I was trying to say that we liberals, unlike the Repugs, need to keep it at an adult level. If that offends someone, so be it.
Thank you for your cooperation
in this regard.
steve simels
steve! your back!
"it demands that people in power question themselves"
Which they very much dislike, perhaps, because, after all, they *had* to have been doing something right, hadn't they, to get the power they have.
Well, talk about a circular argument, eh?
This reflects Scalia's argument that the Constitution is a "dead" rather than a living document.
One reaches an end, there is no more, so why question, why go forward?
Jeebus Christ on toast points, following that to its logical conclusion would send us all back to before the Enlightenment.
Yes, let's just stop progress in its tracks, shall we?
Self-serving, lazy idiots.
Politricks is the ritualized killing of love.
bdg is the stalker troll.
it stalked me once.
i invited it to visit me in Albuquerque, but it has so demurred.
funny, que no?
Okay, I read it. Stoller hits it on the head, again. A riot, Jesus fucking Christ. Should have hit that jackass over the head with a lead pipe and said, no, this is a riot (in both senses of the word) ...
dirk gently: well excuse me for being uncivil, but FUCK HIM.
I think someone over at fdl sed, "If this guy's a 'Dem lobbyist who advised the Kerry campaign,' he needs a nice cup of STFU."
.
I was trying to say that we liberals, unlike the Repugs, need to keep it at an adult level. If that offends someone, so be it.
PinHouston
nah. if they can't stand the heat, fuck 'em.
I'd prefer he focused his attention elsewhere.
I'd prefer a lot of things.
You're not one of them.
steve! your back!
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 6:41 pm | #
I like to keep my hand in from
time to time.
A writing, or refencing posts about what A does is not all that interesting to me. I'd prefer he focused his attention elsewhere.
This is trolling? Jeebus.
hit 'n' run |
And who died and made you and your opinion any more important than anyone elses?
If you want to create a topic for discussion, start your own fucking blog.
dirk: yeah, but I was sort of interested how the "guest" sees the Supremes affecting Democratic prospects in the future. Is he saying the Republicans will always need judicial intervention to succeed?
Navel-gazing?
pie, that's exactly what Stoller's post is, navel-gazing! I don't think we have time for it. I think Daou's post about how the media is in effective cahoots with the righties was much more significant and interesting. The rest? Let's leave it to the historians.
Stoller's piece is excellent, btw.
Did you note that Schafer responded to him in the comments?
What really ticks them off is that ordinary folks now have the tools to peak behind the curtain and see for themselves how the great and powerful Oz functions.
It ain't pretty.
Wow, someone in MA just pulled in every blog post I ever made, I think. Hmm.
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And who died and made you and your opinion any more important than anyone elses?
Nobody. Did I say it was? No. I expressed my opinion. I thought that was what these threads were for. Guess I was wrong, again.
Speaking of Oz...I need the wizard to work a little magic tonight.
Is he saying the Republicans will always need judicial intervention to succeed?
nick carraway | 01.28.06 - 6:43 pm | #
ahhh. see, i was assuming he was just talking out of his ass. so i snarked.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
well last time i checked atrios ran the blog, so really its his choice what he blogs about.
Speaking of Oz...I need the wizard to work a little magic tonight.
Vicki |
now, where did i put that wand?....
I think Daou's post about how the media is in effective cahoots with the righties was much more significant and interesting.
The one that was discussed here several days ago? Man, you're not able to drink from the firehose, are ya?
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"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit in segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of million of citizens."--Ted Kennedy, July 1, 1987
"Perhaps Prof. Liu put it best, of the Berkeley law school, when he wrote this: He said, Judge Alito's record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse; where federal agents point guns at ordinary citizens during a raid, even after no sign of resistance; where the FBI may install a camera where you sleep on the promise that they won't turn it on unless the informant is in the room; where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man absent any kind of multiple regression analysis or other analysis of potential discrimination; and where police may search--I paraphrased that last sentence; it reads precisely 'absent a multiple regression analysis showing discrimination'--and where police may search what a warrant, may search and define what a warrant permits and then some. This is not the America we know, he says, nor is it the America we aspire to be."--John Kerry Jan. 27, 2006
Ah, the hysterical left. Always good for a laugh.
heh i took a politics test and the result declared me a Socialist
You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness
hit n run,
I've never seen you here before. You walk in with a holier than thou, pious comment, and it makes you look like an asshole.
Observe and learn some decorum before you spout off. And it's just rude to enter someone's blog and tell them what *you* think they should be doing.
That was a great piece, thanks for posting it.
There I've been polite.
Fucking cocksuckers of the press.
why bust someone's chops just for expressing an opinion about Atrios' priorities? I think sometimes the commenters here (myself included) could stand to have thicker skins about that sort of thing.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios
Wow. Go get 'em!!
Um, what does that mean?
Evening all.
Of to quaff elitist chardonnay
blah blah blah.
Later!
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios
Thanks, Atrios. I'll place that in my stalking file for reference.
i've banned bdg several times.
Navel-gazing?
pie, that's exactly what Stoller's post is, navel-gazing! I don't think we have time for it. I think Daou's post about how the media is in effective cahoots with the righties was much more significant and interesting. The rest? Let's leave it to the historians.
It wasn't so much about how the righties are in effective cahoots with the media, so much as how the Democratic communication structure between the media and the party; between the media and the base; and between the base and the party are broken.
Discussing how the media infantilizes the base in it's dealing with the "barbarian" bloggers is part of it.
on my blog.
This may be OT, but I am not sure.
Has anyone ever taken the time to do either a series of articles or a book on the Lifestyles of the Rich and Shameless Newswhores?
Seriously, a chapter on Mrs. Greenspan would be the hook. Summer pictures of Fat Tim at his Nantucket retreat to follow. Then get into the producers and other whores who keep pushing this shit. (Get Sultzberger et al as well)
I think if people understood that their news was being filtered in this way, they might be able to understand. (Well, its MY illusion anyway)
And the notion that bloggers are civil or not is also silly; bloggers are people, and people run the gamut.
all i know is i read Thoreau's Civil Disobedience about 10 times after the election.
this is supposed to be govt. for the people and by the people. not for the senators, not for the press, they are there to look out for us.
meanwhile a sociopathic idiot runs the game with a band of criminals. i fuck'n reject that, and anyone who promulgates it's advancement.
if that's uncivil so fuck'n be it.
I believe I speak for all bloggers when I say:
People who criticize what we write: bring'em on.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 6:45 pm | #
so he is in canada and connected through his cable service. rogers cable, inc.
shall we report him to their abuse department? bet they would cut him off. rogers is a pretty good company.
why bust someone's chops just for expressing an opinion about Atrios' priorities?
Because it's fucking rude, that's why.
Especially when it's someone you've never seen before.
Kaine aint-a-gonna pander to no base, hey? I ax again, who is this guy, and why is he doing the Dem SOTU response? My guess is they're going for the religious center, which he can probably speak well to.
But they aint-a-gonna pander to us, no-siree. We are the base, they do realize it, and we can still STFU? Sure. They got us, we're "safe", and their attention is on the feast of moveable votes in the Godly Middle..
Every email I get from the Dems wants money. Every email I send 'em goes unanswered.
blogging is a free for all.
hey vicki!
ring!!!
ring!!!!
ring!!!!
BWAHAHAHAAHHA
bdg
Lightening bolt, straight to the scrotum.
Mission Accomplished.
Little dick fuckwad. Bully, creep, pervert, sociopath, pissant.
Wow, someone in MA just pulled in every blog post I ever made, I think. Hmm.
Wasn't me, brother, I swear!
I don't think we have time for it.
Sweetheart, we have all the time in the world. Read history. Have some faith in the history and the people of this country.
But I love your passion.
well last time i checked atrios ran the blog, so really its his choice what he blogs about.
Well, of course it is! I think it is interesting, and worth discussing, what he thinks is important, or what is more important. I think it's worth pointing out that blogging about blogging is not what I--one reader--am interested in. I further think that A might want to think about why blogging about blogging interests him. Why he thinks it's worth reading, and re-reading about. I think that's interesting, and should be thought about.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
Wait...you have a blog?
BTW: Thanks, A-Man.
I'm not a blogger, and don't care much. It's interesting to me that the stuff I find incredibly important (Daou's most recent) is sidelined by our host in favor of this kind of stuff (bloggers vs. the MSM).
"This kind of stuff" IS what Daou's been writing about. Crikey.
We're off to buy a vacuum cleaner. Because THAT'S HOW WE ROLL.
Lightening bolt, straight to the scrotum.
Mission Accomplished.
Thank you, Sarah Deere, gentle, gracious, generous goddess!
you only need to see my blog, its like totally random.
Atrios does a hell of a job. And if there is something you want to discuss, it is not like there are NOT open threads and all.
Fucking wankers. You are always welcome to do the daily blog thing: it is free, you know?
As Sen Durbin says "learn to count."
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg
Brian, you like to mess with women like the lovely Miss Vicki. Don't you?
Why don't you call me on the phone?
Why don't you call me a cunt or a prick or some other infantile horseshit Brian?
I will fuck you up Brian. That is a promise.
Amigos, thees was quoted een Stoller's post, yet I feel eet needs more attention, no?
"The bloggers and online donors represent an important resource for the party, but they are not representative of the majority you need to win elections," said Steve Elmendorf, a Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. "The trick will be to harness their energy and their money without looking like you are a captive of the activist left."
So they weesh to have our dolares for their war-chests, and they weesh to have our "energy" i.e. our phone-banking and leafletting time...
yet they do no weesh to leesten to us, or to be seen to care for our concerns...
¿how ees thees going to work?
Step 1. Distance jourselves from jour own party's grassroots while trying to exploit their numbers and their wallets.
Step 2. ~
Step 3. Inauguration Day, baby!
¿Ees thees how they really theenk?
Eef so, we must disabuse them of thees notion, no?
Oh, and for the wankerrr Elmendorf...
We weel remember joo.
As others have already stated so well: Anyone with the words "Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign" next to their name really needs a nice warm glass of shut-the-fuck-up.
so.
Vicki, I despise filth like that. I will take your back when I see you being attacked.
Fuck that little fucker, anyway.
and between the base and the party are broken.
Not broken, exactly. Just not in place yet.
Although it's being built even as we speak.
if you want to report the troll to his internet provider for abuse/stalking/whatever you can do so here:
http://tinyurl.com/8rk4x
be sure to include his ip address and the time/date he was online with that ip, since it may change. it needn't be the same time as the session in which he threatened or abused you or posted personally identifiable information about you.
i know a little about internet security, you see.
i know a little about internet security, you see.
dirk gently, of course
*MWAH*!
Done!
We're off to buy a vacuum cleaner.
vacuum cleaners suck.
Look, we all know, okay, speaking of Atrios's misplaced priorities, look, do I really have to say it?
Biofuels.
There, I said it.
Hopefully that'll remind him of what's important.
Polish hall collapses killing 20
The roof of a trade hall hosting at least 500 people in the southern Polish city of Katowice has collapsed, killing at least 20 people, police say.
The weight of snow on the building, which was housing a pigeon exhibition, was the possible cause, they added.
At least 100 people were injured and up to 100 may still be trapped amid freezing temperatures.
if sammy sez it's OK to kill an 8th grade black boy...shooting him in the back before he gits away...when only stealing $10 in a purse and running away...climbing a fence...well? maybe the republicans are prophets after all. maybe...
The Time of Killing has begun.
I'm done for now (again).
Later!! Fend those trolls of all types off for me!!
Every time someone tells me what I should be writing the probability goes up just a little bit that, to steal a line from tbogg, the site will be all jonah goldberg/kj lopez slash fic all the time.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
I assume you don't post random stream-of-consciousness. Long ago I criticized your turkee posts, and much for the same reason. In both cases, I don't think you are thinking enough about what you are posting, and why you are posting it, and the consequences of posting. I have a right to say that, I thank you for providing me a forum for saying it, and I wish you'd think about it.
Just like the MSM, you have blank pages staring at you. It must be scary sometimes. It must be a burden, sometimes. I thought it was very interesting you said "read it, and then read it again". You didn't say that about Daou's post, I don;t think. But I thought Daou's post had far more consequences and meaning to the world at large. That's the point, I think.
Sorry I kicked your dog. But it's one ugly dog.
vacuum cleaners suck.
NO FLIRTING.
NO FLIRTING.
Thers |
that blows.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 6:45 pm | #
Ah, the digital brownshirts are at it again,
Every time someone tells me what I should be writing the probability goes up just a little bit that, to steal a line from tbogg, the site will be all jonah goldberg/kj lopez slash fic all the time.
[heaving]
I hoovered my room today, cause i was bored.
tho my room is now looking very tidy.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
i for one think you are doing a damn fine job. don't stop. don't ever stop.
if the senators and press won't hold 'em accountable at least there are the blogs.
for now,,,
I love Rebecca MacKinnon, even if she is a kitten-eating cyborg.
Gotta go pick up my daughter.
hit n run.
Go post about Daou on your own blog. Seems to me that Atrios has certainly posted plenty of Daou lately.
I'm sorry, but I have no patience for smug assholes like you.
Sorry, Atrios, but that's how I feel about this kind of shit. I say this is your sand box, you get to dump the toys you want us to play with into it.
atrios i like what your doing.
i may be a furriner but now i have lots of useless facts about American politics 
the British blogopshere is also doing very well, not as important politics wise as the American bloggers but its getting there.
Ph, Jeez, here we go again. Biofuels!!! Keepin' it real (compared to what?)
Up next; Linkwarz!
Gotta go pick up my daughter.
hit 'n' run
Please do, hurry up and get the hell out.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Why does Atrios hate biofuels?
Speaking of Oz...I need the wizard to work a little magic tonight.
Vicki
Well I'm behind the cutain pullin' levers and stompin' pedals and turning wheels as fast as I.
Every time someone tells me what I should be writing the probability goes up just a little bit that, to steal a line from tbogg, the site will be all jonah goldberg/kj lopez slash fic all the time.
Atrios
Oh, now you're just teasing us....
Getting closer:
IP: 69.197.2.122
Country: Canada
City: Owen Sound, Ontario
Why does Atrios hate biofuels?
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
They give him gas?
Ah, the digital brownshirts are at it again,
sane lib | 01.28.06 - 6:56 pm | #
Hey asshole? The guy has harrassed Atrios commenters. That abuse deserves to be reported to his ISP. Nothing is happening to him merely because he said something asinine. And, no doubt, the information is only being used so that the ISP can determine who is using their service abusively.
So, you know, blow it out your ass.
Why does Atrios hate biofuels?
See, that's what I was just saying.
Very disappointing.
Concern trolls are specializing, now? Who knew?
.
El Senor Gato Negro just hit the nail squarely on the head.
perhaps biofuels could be filibustered.
To Atrios, that's important. To me, I'm more interested in other things. Blogging doesn't have to be self-referential, but it is. And too much, already, if'n you ask me.
Didn't ask you. Go start your own fucking blog.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
They give him gas?
DWD - Challenge
Teh witty!
atrios only gets 3 million hits a day! he should definitely change something!
It'll be interesting to see whether Shafer responds to Atrios' response to him on Stoller's comments.
Hit him again with the chair, Atrios!
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
Mr. Garrison?
The guy has harrassed Atrios commenters.
What exactly did he do? Curse at you?
Give me a break.
hadenough | 01.28.06 - 7:00 pm | #
While wrong of him to post vicki's personal information, it would be equally wrong to do that to him. If He's stalking people and harrassing them in their homes, the thing to do is to go through his ISP and/or the police.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
wÒÓ†
Such a pity, such a pity.
bdg is a man, because it was a male voice on the phone when he called.
bdg insuled me and my niece
he is a piece of shit who deserves the worst punishment possible.
for the record just about the only thing which will make me try to hunt down a troll's identity is if they harass off-internet, such as calling them at home/work/whatever.
I had a crazy disruptor troll who took a shit all over this place for a couple of years. I knew his identity, and his mother's, but I never outed his full identity because as far as I knew he'd never gone outside the confines of the comments here.
One has to be totally in awe of our progressive blogs. Geez everytime I click on a new link and read the essay (or whatever) the writing clarity, the technical skill and topical coherence leave me speechless.
Where in wingnuttia land is there writing that can compare to what we have?
Some dudes our progressives.
The line about tribal behaviors and beliefs that have no corrolation to reality is so true. It blows my mind that Howell's defense against being called a right-winger is that "my friends would howl at the notion." For her and her friends it's them who control the language, the definitions of the catagories and who gets filed where. God forbid they should reflect on how other folks sort things out . . .
*insulted.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
amen to that.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
right on!
yes the rethugs do need the court.
They MUST have the court.
they are being challenged on thier lies and corruption and the ONLY way they can win in the long run is with court victories.
: What really hacks me off is when ANY disagreement, of any kind, is taken as a personal attack. We need to keep the discourse civil.
And where the fuck has civility gotten us?
It's gotten us labeled as weak pussies.
Fuck that. The time for civility is over.
It's just a way to shift the conversation away from the central issue and confuse people about the actual issues being discussed. Or, in internet speak, trolling.
Atrios, that says it so well. Nice comment to Jack.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
Just don't forget about the bio-fuels.
(I keed, I keed)
People don't even have to "start their own fucking blog" which may or may not be read. They can go post a diary at kos or mydd or booman and get an audience right away.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang. ~ wÒÓ†
Joo see, here ees the theengy...
eef joo call someone a c_nt, and joo mean eet as an eensult,
that means joo theenk that c_nts are bad theengs, no?
So, therefore joo must like cocks eenstead.
So, bdg just likes cocks, eh?
Q.E.D. (as Res Ipsa would surely say, were she here.)
so.
took the quiz on moon's blog link.
surprise surprise, i am a socialist.
83% permissinve socially, 10% economically.
i'm proud.
Atrios, you're one smart guy.
They have nothing.
Don't the other bloggers realize that having no comments (instawhoever) or deleting comments is totally squelching free-speech?
I have to assume they don't want to adhere to this age-old document. 1789. We managed to survive with it. What wise men they were. Now we have the retards.
I guess that's why Bush poo-pooed FISA.
He hates history. Even recent history.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
wÒÓ†
As a true, bona fide assface, Brian knows the taste of butt every time he licks his lips.
I thought it was very interesting...
How many times a day do you use that line? And why should anyone give a shit? Get your own fucking blog for Xsake. Or go see a pshrink...
So, then the question becomes: How do we rid ourselves of the Donna Braziles and the rest like her?
Honestly, people here are passionate. With respect their passion could turn the tide. And what do we get? More fucking bullshit.
It is time for change. I thought Dr Dean was gonna change things . . . .
About tweety - Nah, I'M gonna make my pitch again: If we made the concerted efforts that we have made on the WP's ombudsmen's comments or Kauric lies on Abramoff to go after the WP & CNN we could get them to become more liberal or financially fail.
Why would a concerted effort succeed? Because the Post is dependent on a liberal readership (the DC metropolitan area readers) & CNN, which is domestically failing, is desperately trying to increase viewers by going right to get FOX's audience.
THAT IS ALL. YOU MAY RETURN TO YOUR REGULAR VIEWING PROGRAM.
They can go post a diary at kos or mydd or booman and get an audience right away.
Atrios
Not that I expect to become a famous blogger, because that clearly isn't my bent (I'm more into poetry, cooking, and gardening ~ mundane to a lot of folks), but that's what I did to test the waters. I started posting diaries at Daily Kos. In total, I probably did less than a dozen.
I even had a couple get recommended.
eef joo call someone a c_nt, and joo mean eet as an eensult,
that means joo theenk that c_nts are bad theengs, no?
So, therefore joo must like cocks eenstead.
So, bdg just likes cocks, eh?
Excellent logic, feline!
bdg's crimes have nothing to do with how stoopid or insulting or disagreeable he is.
there is a wall between the internet community and the real world. it is not to be crossed except by invitation.
now, sane fake lib, you are welcome to right click my email, look up my domain, find out where i am and come visit in peson to "discuss" this. i post the info, you can take it as an invitation.
but other people do not publish personal info, and when someone discovers it and harrasses them in the real world, that is a crime. a CRIME. prosecutable. and it should be reported.
simple as that.
i don't expect to be a famous blogger, but my blog is a little piece of me on the internet.
People don't even have to "start their own fucking blog" which may or may not be read. They can go post a diary at kos or mydd or booman and get an audience right away.
Atrios
Dammit! NOW he tells me!
sammy boy thinks it's OK to shoot an 8th grader in the back...climbing a fence with 10 bucks in a purse he just stolt..don't want him to git away. KILL HIM.
georgie boy likes both torturing and killing. WAY TOO MUCH.
THE CHICKENS WILL COME HOME TO ROOST...on these guys.
...killin is bad karma...and...it might just spring back on you like a smart missle boomerang.
sez so in the bible:
HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD DIES BY THE SWORD.
i don't know why i started blogging.
i mean i read lots of blogs that my brother recommened to me (Eschaton was one of them).
i guess i just wanted to have my own space on the internet as such.
who knows.
i don't expect to be a famous blogger, but my blog is a little piece of me on the internet.
I do!
Here is my nefarious plan:
1) start blog (check!)
2) post plushy pictures (check!)
3) profit! (surely any day now. )
People don't even have to "start their own fucking blog" which may or may not be read.
i just post here. it's enough for me.
plus i have no interest in flirting at kos. the best liberal ladies are here.
As others have already stated so well: Anyone with the words "Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign" next to their name really needs a nice warm glass of shut-the-fuck-up.
ah, i love that black cat.
which is not to say i don't think John Kerry Kicks Ass!!!
sorry, i am very impressed he's leading this attempt at a fillibuster. even if it doesn't work.
be for real john, i know it's in your bones. it's in mine.
Dammit! NOW he tells me!
Grrrrr. 
¡El Gato Negro!, I have some fresh tuna that I would like to give you as a treat.
I coulda been a contender! I coulda been somebody!
Oh, well. Obscurity is nice. It's cool and dark and fairly comfortable. And nobody bothers you.
Much.
bdg is a man, because it was a male voice on the phone when he called.
Vicki - 7:02 pm
the voice is 'male,' but that's no man...
not that i'm tellin YOU anything about knowing men
i don't expect to be a famous blogger, but my blog is a little piece of me on the internet.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre
Yes, it is, moonbootica! It's lovely.
Another thing, too...why I have a pic of me on my blog? For so long, trolls'd come in here and call me (and other woman here, too) fat and ugly and all of that. And while I may be a bit curvaceous with a few extra pounds, I'm not ugly, so I wanted to put that out there to dis-spell the myth that we're all fat, ugly seahags who look like Alice the Gooch, picking our noses behind the wall of a monitor and cyberspace.
Fucking awesome. But the real question is, will everyone ever stop laughing at Deborah Howell?
Back on topic, take this quote:
"The bloggers and online donors represent an important resource for the party, but they are not representative of the majority you need to win elections," said Steve Elmendorf, a Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. "The trick will be to harness their energy and their money without looking like you are a captive of the activist left."
Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
You want my money? better plan to step up to the plate, motherfucker.
"eef joo call someone a c_nt, and joo mean eet as an eensult"
Dumb question Gato, when is it not an insult?
Moonbootica: i don't know why i started blogging.
It's a great place to put all your cat pix, for one thing.
.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 7:14 pm | #
vicki, you are beautiful. not just because you are fun to talk to - i mean physically.
trolls have no taste. they are trolls.
i don't know why i started blogging.
I do:
"Goddammit rorschach, quit bitching about the news all the time to me! Get a blog!
Love,
Miriam"
i also like to pimp the Mutualist position too
hence Kevin Carson links.
But the real question is, will everyone ever stop laughing at Deborah Howell?
Yes. And they should.
The smart thing to do is educate her and get her on our side. She's not a winger. She's just old school.
But she's not stupid, she can learn.
Do they have an award for Best Commentor on a Blog?
They should.
But the real question is, will everyone ever stop laughing at Deborah Howell?
sure. when everyone around here stops talking about her, i will forget who she is.
Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
You want my money? better plan to step up to the plate, motherfucker.
four legs good
That's exactly what I thought when I read his comment. Come on...you want us to do the grassroots work while you divert the money to the DLC?
Not gonna happen.
word on that four legs good.
jebus christ on christmas. they want my money but want to "pretend" about it? WTF!
I'm not ugly, so I wanted to put that out there to dis-spell the myth that we're all fat, ugly seahags who look like Alice the Gooch, picking our noses behind the wall of a monitor and cyberspace.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
(I cling to that belief.)
Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
do you mock me, sir?
you mock me!
i will not be MOCKED!
stanley kubrick was a prophet with 2001 A Space Odessey...
but...also with...
A Clockwork Orange
This activist left crap is bullshit.
I am a moderate dem.
The guy has harrassed Atrios commenters.
What exactly did he do? Curse at you?
Phoned people at home and at work, calling them and their spouses/SOs 'cunts' and other lovely things.
The reason trolls attack the women posters is because they're misogyst fucks.
End of story.
Like wÒÓ† says, they will never know the taste of poontang.
vicki, you are beautiful. not just because you are fun to talk to - i mean physically.
[blushes, profusely.]
Thanks, Dirk. I wasn't fishing for a compliment, though. I just wanted to put it out there as something real to refute the fucking insults we seem to have tossed at us day in and day out here.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
beauty is skin deep.
ugly can only come from the inside.
so don't fret it.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
Us menfolk are safe, regardless!
When it comes to romance, women prefer someone who tickles their funny bone while men opt for those who catch their eye, according to an international survey released on Wednesday.
"Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
You want my money? better plan to step up to the plate, motherfucker."
--four legs good
I do wonder how many "progressives" or "left of center" there are out here. Seems like quite a lot to me.
Come on...you want us to do the grassroots work while you divert the money to the DLC?
Not gonna happen.
Vicki - 7:17 pm
word x squared, sweetheart
Q.E.D. (as Res Ipsa would surely say, were she here.)
so.
¡El Gato Negro!
She is here.
And yes, she would say, "Q.E.D."
Eef so, we must disabuse them of thees notion, no?
Si.
The smart thing to do is educate her and get her on our side. She's not a winger. She's just old school.
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
ugly can only come from the inside.
And it goes all the way to the bone.
I wasn't fishing for a compliment
oh, i know. and it wasn't so much a compliment a just a statement.
(besides, you berated me for not flirting the other day )
Why bother with civil discourse? I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
It’s astounding that you guys just don’t get it.
c'mon folks...the only ugly here are the hateful trolls.
beauty comes from inside. you all know that because you're all intelligent.
don't want to hear any more self-deprecating remarks about how ugly you think yourself to be.
i have eyes and i see.
that's why i'm "her eyes."
I spent part of today traipsing around lower Manhattan w/Eli and the Kenosha Kid.
We lunched with the Gummos (Mr. & Mrs.).
Lovely day.
(besides, you berated me for not flirting the other day )
NO FLIRTING!
When it comes to romance, women prefer someone who tickles their funny bone while men opt for those who catch their eye, according to an international survey released on Wednesday.
sure, that's what they SAY.
but i know some standup comics who would disagree.
NO FLIRTING!
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
thers?
"I am a moderate dem."
--pie
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
Molly is in a class by herself.
Listen, I know Deborah, she fucked up, but she's not the monster or the paid rethug operative some would like to say she is.
I'm not saying let her off the hook, I'm saying bring her into the gentle light of reality.
3) profit! (surely any day now. )
four legs good
my daughter introduced me to some art directors blog who has, you guessed it a page full of cats. logicalcreativity.com/jon/plush/01.html
tho i doubt he's making a killing.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
What, no biofuels?
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Why bother with civil discourse? I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
Tell me the difference between:
"Nobody knew the levees would break"
and
"There was a fucking study done that the goddamned levees would break"
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
(I cling to that belief.)
four legs good
Well, it's difficult for me to *see* ugly in people I like and respect. I could go into it in more detail here, but I won't because I don't want to get into a psychological discussion that is completely off topic. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I already know I'd find you to be lovely.
Unfortunately, smart and talented is not something that the trolls can understand, because it's not tangible to their limited minds.
NO FLIRTING!
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
thers?
I would never flirt with him. Or his wife, because he would kill me.
Why bother with civil discourse? I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
It’s astounding that you guys just don’t get it.
It's astounding that you don't understand that "civil discourse" has gotten us no where.
It's time to be the collective squeaky wheel.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
(I cling to that belief.)
four legs good
Okay. I've never seen a photo of you 4lg, but from reading your posts over the many, many months, this is my mental picture of you:
You're about 5'4", 120 lbs. brown hair, hazel eyes, you have a dazzling smile and an athletic body.
You're empathetic, smart, and are always ready with the perfect bon mot to disarm any pretentious toss pot who dared to cross you.
And if we were girlfriends, we'd get together once a week, drink some wine and have a hell of a time laughing about the pathetic sham that is the Bush administration.
just my thoughts.
I'm not saying let her off the hook, I'm saying bring her into the gentle light of reality.
four legs good
more gentle light of reality, please.
I really hate seeing Dems move away from their base. It's especially bad considering that the GOP is embracing a base that gives themselves moral permission to lie, cheat and steal in order to win.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I already know I'd find you to be lovely.
You're just saying that cause you like plush.
Evenin bats
Vicki if you're still here I sent you an email
when the Labour Party confrenece comes around at Brighton, its amazing the Number of corporate sponsers there are.
AAAAAAAAAAAAA!
THE GENTLE LIGHT OF REALITY!
IT BURNS MY ONIONPAPERY SKIN!
[/deborah howell voices]
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
kei & yuri - 7:21 pm
"Martini-Caste haughtiness."
yall got a nice turn of phrase...
Okay. I've never seen a photo of you 4lg, but from reading your posts over the many, many months, this is my mental picture of you:
You're about 5'4", 120 lbs. brown hair, hazel eyes, you have a dazzling smile and an athletic body.
Now, isn't that funny?
I would never flirt with him. Or his wife, because he would kill me.
i'm not afraid of thers. well, to be more specific i'm not afraid of being killed.
can i flirt with molly ivins? i love her.
"There was a fucking study done that the goddamned levees would break"
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
Hurricanes determined to strike in Louisiana
-
Listen, I know Deborah,
Excellent. You can help us set up the "water balloon intervention" we're planning...
This activist left crap is bullshit.
I am a moderate dem.
pie
Economically, I am a socialist.
Culturally or socially, I am much closer to the center.
i know i'll never be 'beautiful' but i just deal and move on.
i'm happy with who i am and what I do.
more gentle light of reality, please.
charley | 01.28.06 - 7:25 pm | #
can we use the strobe?
I wonder just how much this disjunct between the 'trained professionals' who get paid for journalisming and we mere amateurs has to do with class structure - and how much has to do with the elements of electronic conveyance of information. I know, that as GWPDA of GWPDA.org, the first few years that I ran a perfectly valid, history site - both as a Listproc and as an archive, the reaction from those being paid to history was wildly out of kilter with reality. It was hostile, it was vicious and it sought to be patronising - except that my qualifications were so blessedly authentic that one didn't quite work.
And then, magically, once the grants started being produced and the internal mechanisms which recognised that the medium was irrelevant kicked in, there was this whole train of former antagonists trotting along behind.
If what we're facing is indeed less a paradigmatic shift in the power structure expressed thru the changed media, then none of us need to worry too much. I don't know, I really don't. We're living in real time here and there just isn't a great deal from which we can draw conclusions and illustrations.
four legs,
listen to me.
what you look like doesn't matter. it's what's inside that counts. you are a caring, thoughtful, quick-witted person who has an interesting perspective and a lovely turn of phrase. "for fuck's sake" happens to be my personal favorite.
in my eyes, you are beautiful.
believe it.
Just went back to read the comments, very cool, first time I think I've seen Atrios on a non-Eschaton blog. As someone (probably someone present) said when Kos posted here once, it's like that Friends episode where the ER doctors were on. Or, I suppose it was, cause I never saw it, and didn't watch either show regularly, and yet it still made sense, unlike this comment.
Nations back elephant action plan
All nations with wild populations of Asian elephants have met as a group for the first time to discuss the species' future survival.
The aim of the meeting in Kuala Lumpur was to reach a consensus on the best way to tackle threats facing the continent's largest mammal.
Delegates agreed that transboundary cooperation was necessary to protect the creatures' dwindling habitat.
Scout,
Got your mail!
Sounds good!
You're an hour behind me, so that works out great!
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
kei & yuri
Oh, Molly's Longneck Caste all the way...
Vicki...cool
sdf (Stu)
That made perfect sense.
omigod. It's been, what, over a week? And "atrios" is STILL smarting over being caught out for sending his drooling minions over to smash up the WaPo site.
Give it up, man, it's not working.
Oh ever now an' then I gets to thinking 'bout how much fun it'd be to round up the wingnuts and gives 'em a taste o' their own lash --no dah meen? But, then the moment passes. I used to be -- mind you note that's used to be one of them that called for civility in all things so that we not become like they are. Said so my very first comment on Eschaton back in '03 afore the grand adventure got really rollin'. No more, says I, no more a beggin the bastards what have gone and sullied our country's fine name for a moment's peace to repond to the string a lies they been spreadin'. But I'll not be talkin' of keel-hauling, oh no, see, when they done burned up the gas, we're goin' to need some folk to man the oars.
If what we're facing is indeed less a paradigmatic shift in the power structure expressed thru the changed media, then none of us need to worry too much. I don't know, I really don't. We're living in real time here and there just isn't a great deal from which we can draw conclusions and illustrations.
That's an excellent point.
With Howell I think we've got her attention, let's use it to good purpose. Show her why we're angry.
It may be that once she figures it out she'll be angry too.
That made perfect sense.
ShawKenawe,uselessmalingerer
maybe.
but "the five doctors" was confusing.
That made perfect sense.
ShawKenawe,uselessmalingerer
maybe.
but "the five doctors" was confusing.
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
No, raving is not what you want to be.
Settle yourself. We have this if we can keep the right focus.
the repubs trick the fundies into voting for them.
the dems trick progressives into sending money.
in the end, only the corporationns win.
hat,
oh yes it is.
I am a Mutualist
i know i'll never be 'beautiful' but i just deal and move on.
Moon, you are beautiful.
You know who wasn't beautiful, in my mind's eye? In fact, outright ugly?
That woman at the RNC Convention with the purple bandaid on her face.
Katherine Harris, when she stood firm on not letting every vote be counted.
Jean Schmidt, when she trashed liberals, ineloquently, I might add.
what you look like doesn't matter. it's what's inside that counts. you are a caring, thoughtful, quick-witted person who has an interesting perspective and a lovely turn of phrase. "for fuck's sake" happens to be my personal favorite.
in my eyes, you are beautiful.
Awwww, now I'm blushing.
can i flirt with molly ivins? i love her.
dirk gently, of course
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
Thanks, Shaw ....
hat, not working?
Of course it is, else you wouldn't be here.
Geez.
Hey, what's new in your world?
The dispute is not over pushing the party more to the left; it is over how hard Democrats should fight for their core principles.
Why do politicians and the traditional media have such a hard time understanding this. To them, there is some kind of automatic assumption that the more partisan you are, the more extreme your ideological views.
They constantly conflate the two when it comes to Democrats: anyone who wants to fight hard for their ideals is an "extreme liberal" even if their ideology is fairly moderate. See coverage of Dean campaign for one example of this.
To these people, Atrios, Billmon, Digby, DeLong, Kos etc. are flaming extremists because they believe Democrats should fight harder for their core policy principles. It doesn't matter at all that their policy views are closer to the DLC of the late 1980s than to those of the traditional left.
OT, but for those who need a plushyfix, it's now available.
Hey Matt Drudge (aka hat), go back to your so called *news site* and post some more erroneous lies about Democrats having affairs, or whatever it is that you consider newsworthy.
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
Next time I see her I'll ask.
It wouldn't surprise me if she did.
I read this, and it was dead on.
It is a problem of corruption, the refusal of people to admit they've been wrong, the willingness to lie, and the lack of character to call out the liars.
I needs me some flirtin'
On the Timmeh show, CNBC, Fred Scumbag Barnes says Abu Ghraib was the National Guard "on a lark".
Timmeh said the thing about Raygun was that he fired the air traffic controllers and lo and behold - the national airpirt gets named after him, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA".
Their depravity is without limit.
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We're living in real time here and there just isn't a great deal from which we can draw conclusions and illustrations.
I love this, m'lady. Like having a multitude of instantaneous/ real time pen pals. The exchange of ideas and information via the internets is a step change in the annals of communication.
Cool beans.
sdf, I've seen many "famous" bloggers post on other sites than their own. I always like it, makes me think they are more into the dialogue than being up on the mountain top.
I needs me some flirtin'
rorschach
Come over here and sit by me, sweet boy. I'll read you Shakespeare, with passion.
I DO NOT know what to make of this. It appears to be Bacon En Croute. Sort of. Not awful. Just....
Jolly Boys
Serves 4
150ml (¼ pint) Milk
8 Rashers Bacon
2 tbsp Plain Flour
1-2 tsp Butter or Lard
1 Egg
Salt - pinch
Whisk the milk. flour, egg a pinch of salt together, to produce a batter the thickness of double cream.
Allow to stand for 15-25 minutes.
Fry the bacon in butter or lard in a frying pan, remove and keep warm.
Increase the heat, add a tablespoon of batter.
Baste with hot fat as when frying an egg.
Serve immediately with the bacon.
Hey Matt Drudge (aka hat), go back to your so called *news site* and post some more erroneous lies about Democrats having affairs, or whatever it is that you consider newsworthy.
Matt's in on a Saturday night in DC?
Oh, wait. It's early. More action much later.
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
Doozer | Email | 01.28.06 - 7:33 pm | #
i hope so.
i love her.
Egypt Brotherhood MPs stage protest
Opposition Islamist lawmakers have walked out of Egypt's parliament to protest against the expulsion of a fellow MP who had criticised the government for letting a French warship through the Suez Canal.
The Muslim Brotherhood said on its web site that parliament speaker Fathi Sorour had expelled Mustafa Mohamed Mustafa on Saturday "to deny the Muslim Brotherhood MPs the chance to reveal new scandals of the Egyptian government in the matter of the French ship Clemenceau".
The Clemenceau is a 27,000-tonne aircraft carrier which is heading to India to be scrapped.
I needs me some flirtin'
rorschach | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 7:35 pm | #
[bats eyelashes]
Cool beans.
You sound like my husband. He says that.
Heh indeed Vicki.
I needs me some flirtin'
rorschach
Hey, big guy, come here and lets get inky.
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
You see, this is where the confusion starts. There are few real liberals here, most of you are nothing more than partisan Democrats.
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
Listen, I know Deborah,
Biblically?
I needs me some flirtin'
Hey, Rory, whatcha doin' aftah? I'm, uh...available...
What would Thers say about all this flirtin?
GWPDA:
there's a lot of former and current journalists, pundits, scholars, authors, novelists, memoirists, critics, philosophers, and other dilettantes posting here.
journalism is not rocket science. there's no 'science' to it...it's a lot inferrence, and experience, and interpretive competence...
how to ask the correct questions, is the main thing...
the 'journos' who disparage bloggers are gonna be the ones who depend on their 'professional identification' for a vital, but missing nonetheless, part of their lifeworld's persona...
and resent their constraints like dogs in the yard resent the dogs on the street...
.
rory, for you:
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
i'm tired of being categorized.
i'm tired of being thought of as "extreme" when i want all that is decent and good.
what is so extreme about wanting the truth from our elected (cough* cough*) officials? what's so extreme about decent affordable healthcare, decent affordable housing, and a living wage? what is so radical about an unbiased media?
if this is the extreme liberal left, then count me in. screw this "middle of the road" shit. no more.
Awwww, now I'm blushing.
four legs good
you are so cute when you blush
Dirk!
The professional journalists are used to the Democrats acting nice and being steamrolled by the Republicans. It's been pretty much like that in Congress since 1994. Occasionally, the Democrats make some noise about resisting, but then roll over when the critical moment comes. They've seen it before, and don't believe this time is any different.
But the journalists aren't in touch with the groundswell of new activism that is behind this action. A lot of it is the blogs and netroots, but a lot of it is that people are just fed up and angry at all the crap the Republicans and Bush have crammed down our throats.
I think this time is different. Even if they fail, it will be a positive accomplishment if our Senators stand up against the bullying. Resistance will further energize the base and lead to further action and winning more elections.
"I am a moderate dem."
--pie
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
mer
Only because the politics in this country has been shoved to the right. I don't think the public is right wing, I do think they believe what the media (paid off or not) tell them.
You sound like my husband. He says that.
Obviously, a clever and talented individual.
Someone from Venzuela visited my little nothing blog. It made me feel special. I need to start drinking now.
Hey, Rory, whatcha doin' aftah? I'm, uh...available...
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
thought you didn't swing that way?
heh i'm British and total loony leftist and damm well fucking proud of it!
Houdy Pardnars
Hey, Rory, whatcha doin' aftah? I'm, uh...available...
NTodd,
Aw yeah, baby. I'll bring you over to the dark side.
It wouldn't surprise me if she did.
four legs good
clearly, they all read the blogs.
at first i thought it silly myself.
but journalists, entertainers (sadly not much diff. here) all read the blogs.
it's become part of the american lexicon. and encouragingly it is our chance to say NO, i reject this asshattery.
You see, this is where the confusion starts. There are few real liberals here,
WTF does that even mean?
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
If most of the visitors are comfortable with whatever it is, who gives a shit what the front page says? Just go blow simels, would you? There's a dear.
hi, shaw! *big goofy grin*
i have to look at the stars for a minute.
i'll be right back.
too few politicans these days are willing to take a firm stand.
most of the time they are whishy washy and obessed with capturing the mythical centre ground.
where did principles go?
mer, I like it too ("famous" bloggers posting on other blogs), for exactly the reasons you say.
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
My daughters and I exchange her columns. It's always a race who can email it first.
Love her.
heh also i've never voted Democract due to the little fact i'm not American.....
thought you didn't swing that way?
Eh, I'm bored with the whole "living alone with a dog and cat" thing.
Aw yeah, baby. I'll bring you over to the dark side.
When you're bi, which is the dark side? The one that makes soup?
You see, this is where the confusion starts. There are few real liberals here, most of you are nothing more than partisan Democrats.
heh. What a fecking maroon.
Pelagic doesn't apply to your simple ass at all.
Try Cesspool. That fits better.
don't judge a book by its cover
clichéd I know!
Only because the politics in this country has been shoved to the right.
I heard something today on "What Do You Know?" with Michael Feldman, on NPR.
Some guy was talking about the perfect average American, and located him in a town out East.
There are several million more registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but Democrats are more willing to cross party lines and vote for the *best* candidate, where Republicans tend to vote like lemmings.
This was but one of umpteen interesting statistics the guy Michael had on his show was flogging.
Sorry I can't remember his name, nor the name of his book.
Dammit. It'll be on again tomorrow. I'll listen for it, if I get the chance.
Moonbootica darling, if you'd like to be, I can always adopt you. If your Mummy and Dad say it's okay of course.
real liberals
Where does one go to take the real liberal test? Can you do it online now? My certification is about to expire, and I'm a bit concerned.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
Pelagic - 7:38 pm
should the proprietor ever wish to drive me away, all that would be needed would be that such become the stated purpose of this blog...
yes the rethugs do need the court.
They MUST have the court.
they are being challenged on thier lies and corruption and the ONLY way they can win in the long run is with court victories.
CTheGee
Even if they take the court, they shall not take our spirits or our guns.
Where does one go to take the real liberal test?
If you don't know, we can't tell you. We can't show you the secret handshake, either. Sorry. The bilaws are quite strict.
Hey, GWPDA, I've got a campus visit or two coming up, wish me luck (campus visits, at least don't make me as ill as the AHA itself does) ... I may not have to change professions at age 35 after all ...
Eh, I'm bored with the whole "living alone with a dog and cat" thing.
already? man, you are easy!
dark side
it's dark? i always imagined it would be bright and shiney over there. lots of pastels, too. hell, if it's going to be dark i'm not even going to bother.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Atrios
Why yes. You'll find it here.
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/vup/pasty/...sty/
recipes.htm
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Atrios
In Oz.
Obviously, a clever and talented individual.
Get over here. NOW!
GWPDA, i'm sure they would be ok.
the Ancient Romans were known for adopting non-blood relatives into their family.
take Scipio Aemilianus for example.
he was the son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus, conquerer of Macedonia but was adopted by Publius Cornelius Scipio, the eldest son of the great Scipio Africanus.
Hi dirk, you gentle beautiful pervert.
I'm getting ready to go out to dinner. I'm spongein...er visiting friends in Boca Raton Fla. Weather's not so great. I've got a sweater and thong on. I'm chilly.
Doozer's Rules of Communication With Wingies;
Speak their language
Don't shout
Don't cuss
Don't call names
I mean, you wanna be understood, or you just wanna make noise? Doing it this way, I think I've almost managed to convince a winger buddy of mine that there is no freaking Liberal Media. (Partly by admitting that there used to be, which kinda shocked him). If all you want to do is fight, hey, whatyever floats yer boat, but you won't change anyone's mind about anything. Quite the opposite, actually...
Hey, GWPDA, I've got a campus visit or two coming up, wish me luck (campus visits, at least don't make me as ill as the AHA itself does) ..
Mazel tov! You should live and be well!
Wow, I get to say this for the first and undoubtedly only time in my life:
Jinx, Atrios.
don't judge a book by its cover
shoot. i just assumed you were a sweet, attractive, fun loving young woman. now i have to read something? that's way too much work.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Well, okay, since the big guy asked...
(sorry sdf)
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
I think it's in Ralph Nader's file cabinet. But the boys of Iota Kappa Lambda have a copy at the frat house.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Liberal died out like the dinosaurs in the late 70's.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again.
I am not a Democrat. I am a progressive liberal, and I swing socialist.
Having said that, I'll vote for Democrats.
Especially Al Gore.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Mars, bitches.
Thanks, GWPDA
When you're bi, which is the dark side? The one that makes soup?
NTodd,
That's the beauty of it.
It depends on your mood.
I've got a sweater and thong on. I'm chilly.
i was chilly, but now i am inexplicably warm.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios
In or near Collingwood, ON.
man, you are easy!
I thought everybody already knew that.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
wearing suspenders and a bra?
AAAAAAAAAAAAA!
THE GENTLE LIGHT OF REALITY!
IT BURNS MY ONIONPAPERY SKIN!
[/deborah howell voices]
that was so streetcar named desire.
guess i have to go take ntodd's purity test. shouldn't take long.
wearing suspenders and a bra?
Moonbootica, Die Walküre |
that's the lumberjack test.
Obviously, a clever and talented individual.
Get over here. NOW!
pie
XXX
(don't tell the old man, sweetheart)
Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus
Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus (229 BC-160 BC) was a Roman general and politician. His father was Lucius Aemilius Paullus, the consul defeated and killed in the battle of Cannae. Lucius Aemilius was, in his time, the head of his branch of the Aemilii Paullii, an old and aristocratic patrician family. Their influence was immense, particularly due to their fortune and alliance with the Cornelii Scipiones.
My suspicion is that most people here are not very ideological and only became very partisan in the last decade or so.
Especially Al Gore.
Let's save our money.
And the dems better do something to get closer in November.
and resent their constraints like dogs in the yard resent the dogs on the street...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
amen to the dogs in the street.
if you're gonna be dog run in the streets.
i don't give a fly'n fuck for yer pedigree.
rory,
Did you not like the Sonnet 116?
I read it in my best Globe Theatre voice.
GWPDA, i'm sure they would be ok.
the Ancient Romans were known for adopting non-blood relatives into their family.
Yes, early adopters they were. We may have to confer with Quilt Lady tho. Seems to me I've already adopted her. Seeing as that I'm nearly 104 years old here.
Damn I wish I were at the Royal Sportsman Hotel in Portmeirion.
Ah well.
(sorry sdf)
eh, k chertu with you ...
Especially Al Gore.
Let's save our money.
pie, do you like Al Gore? I do, but I know you know that.
I, for one, welcome our new barbarian overlords.
was it only a few months ago that The Schrub had delusions of geeting his dirty little hands on Social Security $$$$$$$...alot of it...and tossing it to his corporate whore friends?
the times they are a changin
now he whines for sammy boy on his weekly radio address...i guess sammy boy is in the SOTU address or sumthin.
well Georgie Boy...hold onto your balls...
let's not IMPEACH BUSH...
NEUTER HIM
and resent their constraints like dogs in the yard resent the dogs on the street...
Ain't nobody wants to be no yard dog.
rory,
Did you not like the Sonnet 116?
It was fantabulous, darling!
wearing suspenders and a bra?
British Columbia, moving from tree to tree?
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g'night batties!
keep up the fight! never give up! be shrill! demand truth! praise backbone!
keep our country alive and well for who it belongs to! US!
It was fantabulous, darling!
rorschach
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
who's wearing suspenders and a bra?
Arin info on pdg's Ip address, that is.
gore/feinstein is my prediction.
i don't think it was coincidence that she was in audience during his speech.
although my heart of hearts would prefer gore/dean.
Shall we tell them he's been up to no good?
spoken well charley...
as you once were,
The Angriest Dog In The World
who's wearing suspenders and a bra?
Cross-dressin' Larry King!
Jesus' General combines shrill and scary vagina
There's no 'word' for my politics in the US political lexicon
social democrat, in the european sense, comes closest...
i would join a party led by Gore Vidal, whatever it were called...
.
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
Vicki, please stop.
I've been salivating over your backside ever since you told that troll a week or so ago to lick your ass.
GWPDA, Why would anyone ever need to "fry the bacon in butter or lard?"
Bacon makes its own lard, or bacon grease.
My suspicion is that most people here are not very ideological and only became very partisan in the last decade or so.
Baloney.
It's not partisan. My republican friends are embarrassed. Bush is horrible. The only ones keeping him somewhat alive are the media.
This is way past partisan. This is a sitting (republican) president breaking the law with the full approval of a republican-controlled Congress.
Whatevah.
more gentle light of reality, please.
charley | 01.28.06 - 7:25 pm | #
can we use the strobe?
dirk gently, of course
i only saw this because i was interested in GWPDA's comment.
or as they said in twinpeaks to the dying man. "look toward the light leland, look to the light."
hey, my opinion counts, 'specially if i have a pitchfork. didn't have to be this way, at this time in history is not the most healthy way to be, but i reject a duplicitous executive.
vote for me or you will die. fuck you! every one has to die.
I think I am up for mindless entertainment, tonight. Too bad there's so little available.
.
the best part about belonging to the Eschatonian family is that we talk dirty real nice to each other.
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
You know, he's married...
There's no 'word' for my politics in the US political lexicon
This is how I describe myself on my blog:
"An independent, non-violent, counter-dominant, left-liberal, possibly charismatic, not entirely insufferable, non-obnoxious, Tom Green-esque, quasi anarcho-libertarian Quaker"
Doesn't fit on a bumpersticker.
Billy B
Oy!
I'm sorry, I had no idea!
I'll behave.
Why would anyone ever need to "fry the bacon in butter or lard?"
A desire to commit a unique form of suicide through instant onset arterial sclerosis?
GWPDA, Why would anyone ever need to "fry the bacon in butter or lard?"
Bacon makes its own lard, or bacon grease.
mer
mer - THUS THE PROBLEM!
The receipt baffles me. It is redundant, repetitive and cumulative. I am so worried by it that I am going to go eat turnips.
i'd say i became political in 2003.
but i was certainly aware of politics before then, just took awhile to find my path.
after all i am only 20, i have my whole life ahead of me.
The Angriest Dog In The World
Funniest fucking comic. God, I love David Lynch.
Hey Bing...
beat your kids lately?
guess it's kinda hard to do when you're dead.
if papers/media today were as contentious and as partisan as they were in the the 1880s and '90s, there'd be no need for blogs...
just sayin...
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
Vicki
Oh my goodness!
The receipt baffles me. It is redundant, repetitive and cumulative. I am so worried by it that I am going to go eat turnips.
It seemed to be a recipe for someone who wanted bacon and eggs but only had one egg. Eggs are cheap, why not just run to the grocery store to pick up a doz?
So, I'm outie, for nowie...
♥
woody, you're older than i thought.
Mutualism is also not easy to put into boxes either.
my brother told me after reading Ken Macleod he got out of the statist trap.
Yeah NTodd...
and when the chain broke...
he daid.
This is way past partisan. This is a sitting (republican) president breaking the law with the full approval of a republican-controlled Congress.
Whatevah.
pie
Ayup!
And (by way of a blogwhore) the whole damned world has noticed,
Bacon makes its own lard, or bacon grease.
The secret ingredient.
Bacon grease makes a very tasty salad dressing.
Goes very nicely in any salad/sauce/etc.
Anything with vinegar in it...
I'll behave.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 7:57 pm | #
don't you dare!
"heh also i've never voted Democract due to the little fact i'm not American.....
Moonbootica"
I just can't tolerate people who have to come up with some excuse for not voting. One little technicality and you refrain from doing your civic duty. Jeez.
Wrapped in plastic...
as you once were,
The Angriest Dog In The World
Troublemaker
oh trust me Troublemaker i have become re-angrified.
bush has radicalized a whole bunch of motherfockers. some of 'em even want kill us. can't say i blame 'em.
Okay, I'm off to draw Rorschach's bath.
(Actually, I'm heading down to Salvatores for a little while. I want to see my daughter and talk politics with some friends. I'll be back before too long. My love to all!)
my brother told me after reading Ken Macleod he got out of the statist trap.
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
It seemed to be a recipe for someone who wanted bacon and eggs but only had one egg. Eggs are cheap, why not just run to the grocery store to pick up a doz?
doug |
AND WHERE ARE THE GREEN CHILES? I'm so baffled by this, it's making me cry.
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:01 pm | #
i prefer to think of it as tribalism.
but i'm a socialist.
AND WHERE ARE THE GREEN CHILES? I'm so baffled by this, it's making me cry.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
i thought it was onions that made you cry.
i thought it was onions that made you cry.
No, I use Grand Canyon sweet onions and there's no sulphur.
It's conundrums!
heh i'm British and total loony leftist and damm well fucking proud of it!
Hear, hear! (Here, here?) There are days that I wanna sell everything I own, and move to Cardiff..
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
mer
depends who you're talking to. The concept of "local vertical" has a political dimension, too. A stone rightwinger sees his political philosophy as dead center, right where it oughtta be, and can call a moderate Republican a raving Commie with a straight face. I style myself a Progressive with a Libertarian streak, on even numbered days, and I have a Conservative friend--very good friend, too--that thinks I'm an ultraLiberal. Political Relativity. What would Albert make of it?
Watching a documentary about Haskell Wexler (made by his son). What an S.O.B. this old man is.
Conundrums and the fact that a week and a bit from now a 25year old is going to assault my living gum and make me only able to eat jellied consumme for seveal weeks.
WHERE ARE THE GREEN CHILES? I'm so baffled by this, it's making me cry.
That recipe is so messed up that even green chili peppers can't fix it.
Arin info on bdg's Ip address, that is.
blerb
The only thing you need from that is the abuse address.
However, Rogers can only deal with violations of their terms of service . Page 2 - "harass".
However, if you have the originating number of the phone call, you can also file a complaint with Bell Canada, or with the police.
Collingwood would be a 705 area code.
make me only able to eat jellied consumme for seveal weeks.
Smoothies will save your life if you're forced to live off of a liquid diet.
There's no 'word' for my politics in the US political lexicon
i would call myself socially progressive and fiscally pragmatic.
a socialigramitcon?
a pragmunist?
a naive fool?
rorschach who ♥ blerb
Huh? What did I do now?
That recipe is so messed up that even green chili peppers can't fix it.
doug
Doug, you're coming down here, eh? You must learn to spell chile properly.
AND THEN ADD THEM TO EVERYTHING.
No, I use Grand Canyon sweet onions and there's no sulphur.
georgia is of course the home of vidalia onions. billed as onions so sweet you can eat them like apples.
dammit, if i wanted an apple that's what i would have bought! i want it to taste oniony!
The Early Days of a Better Nation
I got half way down on the liberal test and then quit. I don't trust my govt. anymore.
I would have loved to see the results though.
If anyone wonders or cares, I am a democratic socialist in the continental European mold.
I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
Well, that seems to work for the GOP.
Doug, you're coming down here, eh? You must learn to spell chile properly.
AND THEN ADD THEM TO EVERYTHING.
Chiles are delicious.
I heartily agree. They should be in everything.
"A free society cannot be the substitution of a 'new order' for the old order; it is the extension of spheres of free action until they make up most of the social life."
Paul Goodman
If I get tired of Atrios blogging about bloggers, then I go do something else for a while. When I check back in in an hour or two or three, there's usually a new topic.
Funny how these blog thingies work....
I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
They are immune to logic and facts.
if papers/media today were as contentious and as partisan as they were in the the 1880s and '90s, there'd be no need for blogs...
just sayin...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
People tend to forget that, assuming they ever knew it. Want some interesting reading? Go down to a good liberry and look at reproductions of the papers of the 19th Century. Look at the ads, too. Journalism today, for all it's faults, puts a lot of the older stuff to shame. Back then they didn't know how to spell "journalistic impartiality", and nobody much cared. And those ads...
i prefer to think of it as tribalism.
but i'm a socialist.
dirk gently
Well, I'd say statism is not quite the opposite of tribalism.
It depends on your understandng of "tribalism" and "atate".
Anyone up for semantics?
and spouting unsupported opinions
how about sprouting unsulferred onions?
you're coming down here, eh? You must learn to spell chile properly.
AND THEN ADD THEM TO EVERYTHING.
GWPDA, I can't spell chile/chili peppers correctly, but I already do add them and other vegi's to everything. I just ate stir fry again, with noodles, bok-choy, green chiles, lean pork, sweet red peppers, bean sprouts (add them last, along with the broccoli, arugula, and cauliflower).
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
Why do you give a rat's fat ass what this site calls itself?
Get lost, punk.
beside being a mutualist, i am an anti-monarchist.
Eli had his avocado shake today, btw.
Land and Liberty - Putting people at the heart of economics
beside being a mutualist, i am an anti-monarchist.
Moonbootica
But you guys have such a cute monarchy.
woody, you're older than i thought.
jello - 7:59 pm
i am, in fact, 'older than Simels', if the truth were known...
.
Porcupine Blog - Larry Gambourne
unitary executive?
if there was any question
that republicans are pretty much all...
PSYCHIC VAMPIRES and POWER JUNKIES
...this is the tought form that settles that question.
Well, I'd say statism is not quite the opposite of tribalism.
oh, i didn't mean it as opposite. i meant it as a concentration.
the problem with statism compared to tribalism is that it is too big. tribal societies are necessarily more self nurturing - and self policing - because each individual has a greater effect on each other individual.
in larger states, that personal connection is lost, as is the sense of responsibility to members of the state further removed from the particular individual. which is the beginning of feudalism, oligarchys, the republican party, etc.
and why globalism sounds like a better idea than it might be.
GWPDA, I won't be down in the Tucson area till around June or July. Still healing from the operation, but doing pretty well, no inflamation or infection, and I'm only occasionaly taking the narcotics to help me sleep at night. (still have over half the bottle of them they gave me three weeks ago).
Eli had his avocado shake today, btw.
Still gross.
It depends on your understandng of "tribalism" and "atate".
atate is darrin's boss.
georgia is of course the home of vidalia onions. billed as onions so sweet you can eat them like apples.
Mmmm, I can already taste mom's homemade onion pie... with ice cream
This is way past partisan. This is a sitting (republican) president breaking the law with the full approval of a republican-controlled Congress.
I agree. My point was that for the most part, our activism has been motivated not by ideology but by the dumb, dishonest, incompetent, small-minded fuck-ups of Republican office-holders and their enablers in the media and in corporate offices.
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
Dead Men Left
Chicken Yoghurt
Bloggerheads
I must admit that I am very impressed with the level of intellegence and insight that appears in the "comment" section of Mydd with this article. Thank god I only post with the drooling minions here at Atriosor I'd quickly give up blogs and return to free girlie pixtures.
We are a mob. I'm a mobster, you're a mobster. I'll buy the next round for everyone and then lets go out and tag some walls and burns some cars like we're in Paris.
there were no chile peppers in my sushi tonight. wasabi suffices.
but there was ginger in my beer, and shortly there will be jalepenos in my olives. in my martini.
in larger states, that personal connection is lost, as is the sense of responsibility to members of the state further removed from the particular individual. which is the beginning of feudalism, oligarchys, the republican party, etc.
Well, I think that there are quite a few pretty large states in this world that work remarkably well. How about Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and pretty much the entire EU?
Mmmm, I can already taste mom's homemade onion pie... with ice cream
I have a recipe for vidalia onion pie. Not meant to be eaten with ice cream, though. More as a side dish with some grilled meat.
Anyone up for semantics?
JR
the dog who is so angry He cannot move, He cannot eat, He cannot sleep, He can just barely growl.
because he is so tightly wound with tension and anger, he approaches the state of rigor mortis.
The Yorkshire Ranter
Europhobia
mrs dirk makes a fabulous onion pie. no ice cream. swiss cheese, cream cheese and tomatoes.
i had a scary thought. tell me i'm wrong.
what if alito's hostility to minorities resonated with byrd?
I can already taste mom's homemade onion pie... with ice cream
Mmmm, that would go well with Salmon or eel ice cream.
mrs dirk makes a fabulous onion pie. no ice cream. swiss cheese, cream cheese and tomatoes.
dirk gently, of course
I should very much like that receipt.
The EU has it's own set of problems as well, but it is probably better than the US.
charley...it won't be long before the killing will begin.
all the post-industrial gettos in every american city...
every frustrated white boy looking for his 15 minutes of fame...
The Schrub thinks he's in control, but, when his policies squeeze too hard and there's a Seminal Event like the killing of MLK...
if america is anything,
she's well armed.
it's more insidious than that don't you know?
i continue to hear the refrain that somehow the press has gone astray only recently.
hah!
though we conveniently recall the "emperor has no clothes" reporting from seasia, for most amerikans, that is not what they read in their local newspapers, nor what they saw on their local television/radio channels.
most amerikans were subjected to progagandized news.
very little has changed. most journalists are agents of the state.
especially since the era of the great gangster, "honest" abe.
i have been reading joan mellen's recent book, A FAREWELL TO JUSTICE. a really rigorous and exhaustive consideration of garrison's investigation into the jfk hit.
an aspect of the sty that should inform as to the role of the press, the real employer of journalists, is how many of the press[all] were functioning as agents of the state - spying on garrison, stealing his files, publishing fictional stys....working to destroy his investigation.
you can all reflect on how many other critical stories were either ignored or sabotaged by the doyennes of the press.
my favorite was one i watched in real time, pete brewton's stys in the houston post about the bushits and their involvment with the mob in the s&l bust-outs.
his stys, when they aired, were oddly edited. the me/publisher always buried the lead. you had to read the sty until the last grafs to get to the heart of the sty.
it turns out, that it was the publisher's decision to rearrange the stys in this manner. as brewton interpreted it, as i interpreted it, the goal was to diminish the import and impact of the stys.
it got to become pretty scandalous, however. brewton's well researched, well documented stys were not being picked up by the national media. the nyt, the wapo, et al defended their ignoring by alleging that brewton was a fantasist, a conspriracy theorist.
and eventually the columbia journalism review[was it being run by the outfit, then?] came to houston to interview brewton, review his files, with the intention of publishing an article that he was a fantasist - that the nyt, the wapo, the ap, the upi, abc, cbs, nbc were correct to ignore his reportage.
it wasn't a long article, but after their review, the cjr did publish a piece that brewton had the evidence. and had been writing about it accurately.
that changed nothing at the agencies of propaganda levels. brewton's stys continued to be ignored.
within months, brewton had become disappeared as the rigourously fascist, establishment paper, the chronicle, swallowed the post.
i watched the same squelching during the raygun era's murderings in central america.
let's remember, ray bonner of the nyt was able to get front-page space to report his observing of the el mozote massacre.
within weeks, under pressure from the raygun regime, the wsj, ray was fired and the nyt published that ray's story was notional.
and then there was the great reporting by martha honey/tony avirgan.
I like the idea of a united Europe but the EU has its problems and the corruption which goes on is a major problem.
tribal societies are necessarily more self nurturing - and self policing - because each individual has a greater effect on each other individual.
Tribal societies are also necessarily more repressive, illiberal, and stagnant, because each individual is subsumed to the tribal identity.
Also, "statism" is not congruent with "nationalism", the latter is more like tribalism on a large scale.
The EU has it's own set of problems as well, but it is probably better than the US.
Are not most of the nations that are called rogue, by the bush admin, ones who want to use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
jello - 8:16 pm
libertarianism is an essentially selfish ideology...progressivism is essentially communitarian...
do the math?
its hilarious
EU directives are followed to a Tee by the British government, when most of Europe chooses to ignore 'em.
By EU, I meant Euro
georgia is of course the home of vidalia onions. billed as onions so sweet you can eat them like apples.
Yah.
Arizona is the home of the valiant Grand Canyon Sweets, onions grown in soil entirely absent the noxious sulphur that makes onions bad.... So sweet that at last year's Grand Canyon Onion Festival I came home with 72lbs worth, which I am, even now, working my way thru. And the Festival is nigh!
but the EU has its problems and the corruption which goes on is a major problem.
The corruption you have there is well and truly as nothing to the corruption we have here. Our corruption is institutionalized.
i think i read Private Eye to much.
each issue as a column titled 'Brussel Sprouts'.
well, that libertarian streak, woody, where people are free to make their own decisions. not the privatizing everything and selling to the highest bidder -part.
Well, I think that there are quite a few pretty large states in this world that work remarkably well. How about Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and pretty much the entire EU?
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:18 pm | #
touche. but this is america, goddammit!
i'm not so sure about s korea. canadians, in my experience, tend to leave even other canadians alone - quebecers and bcers don't bother each other much. asian society is totally different in their view of the individual, so i callously disregard them in my thesis. australia may work well if you aren't an aborigane, but if you are you might think differently - you are safer in your own tribe than in the state.
and the eu has plenty of "statist" problems, which they are trying to address but still.....
of course, i'm pulling these views out of my ass with nothing but my own prejudices to go on.
And as long as I'm ranting, the only reason Bush has been able to do what he's done is BECAUSE of 9/11.
I am holding all those who supported him and his policy decisions responsible for the unbelievable suffering caused by them.
if america is anything,
she's well armed.
Troublemaker - 8:20 pm
regretfully, i do believe it's a'comin'...
I like the idea of a united Europe
But I thought you wer all about "smash the state" was I mistaken?
So sweet that at last year's Grand Canyon Onion Festival I came home with 72lbs worth, which I am, even now, working my way thru.
How are you storing those w/o them going bad/sprouting?
but charley...
if'n that dog had only one hand...hell!
he'd start a shootin
Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism
another blog my brother pointed me towards to.
libertarians are nothing but anarchists too cowardly to live their convictions.
Are not most of the nations that are called rogue, by the bush admin, ones who want to use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
doug
your point?
blerb i said i liked the idea but not the way the current EU is going about it.
OTDR
Doh!
MSNBC | Submitted by: Chief Wiggum
"In a tragic case of mistaken identity, police shot and critically wounded an off-duty officer as he pointed a gun at a suspect outside a fast food restaurant early Saturday, authorities said."
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
jello
No.
It really depends on what you call "libertarianism". The anarcho-capitalist flavour is anything but progressive.
i am, in fact, 'older than Simels', if the truth were known...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
Mebbe. But not older than I. Are you 105?
See?
use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
your point?
Keystone Blues, still trying to ferret out the real motivation besides the obvious one of just looting the US treasury, and population, for our current foreign policy.
i'm thinking along economic lines.
you know who is the smartest?
the Swiss
they enjoy the benefits of the EU without any of the hassle.
ok they have to put up with a few regulations but the deal they have is really good.
yest the Swiss are very smart.
OTDR
Criminals apparently taking notes during CSI
Cleveland Plain Dealer | Submitted by: anonymous
"When Tammy Klein began investigating crime scenes eight years ago, it was virtually unheard of for a killer to use bleach to clean up a bloody mess." ... "The more sophisticated the television story lines get, the better equipped criminals will be, [the police captain] said, adding that he never watches CSI because it's too unrealistic."
[added note: we have heard cops chuckling over how on Law & Order everybody talks pretty well nigh instantly]
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:01 pm | #
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
From scoutprime: "Louisiana Republican Richard Baker of the Baker Bill said this of Bush's approach to NOLA..."There is a price to pay for blind neglect. The current plan would be a death blow to the state's economy." So Baker has vowed to continue to fight for legislation to bail out homeowners and educate Bush and the nation on the necessity of it."
Maybe people will start to see that BooshCo. doesn't give a fuck about them. I hope the midterms are a bloodbath.
the Swiss are also well armed heh.
i mean a couple of years back i hurt my knee very badly while on holiday.
and my dad only found out at the hospital that the Swiss had signed a deal with Britain which allowed the E1-11 form to be used.
they had been very quiet about it.
jello,
we're not "Free," pardner...
we're responsible for and to each other...
there's too many of us, and we're too mean, to be irresponsible...
.
btw, gwpda, i do not care for vidalia onions, i find them flavorless.
used to live in tucson, and i agree. sweet onions that still taste like onions. in fact, local produce overall was better there than here - that may also be a function of time, back then there were far fewer veggies genetically engineered with longevity and transportability (word?) prefered over flavor.
and in wsetern ny, truly great produce in season, but that may be because our best friends had an organic farm and natural foods store.
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
rorschach
Tell that to the Greeks.
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
well the Greeks had city states but not nation states.
the city states fourght endlessly for example the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta.
i'm thinking along economic lines.
you know who is the smartest?
the Swiss
luxemburgers aren't too dumb either.
and great with a slice of sulfer-free onions.
Keystone Blues, still trying to ferret out the real motivation besides the obvious one of just looting the US treasury, and population, for our current foreign policy.
doug
I'm not following the EU connection here. I agree our foreign policy is a joke.
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:30 pm | #
tribalism.
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
blerb
So then it's not human nature after all? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
Phillip II of Macedon put a stop to that by his superior military tactics.
his reforms of the Macedonian army was to have far reaching consquences.
arguably the Hellenstic age began with his regin.
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
blerb
Heirarchies and rules don't define "state" though. If it did then language would be a "state".
It seems to me that kos is a partisan democratic blog
Eschaton is not just about Democrats winning -- Atriots seems to care about what kind of Dems win (ever hear of the term "Vichy Dems?")
NTodd --
Closed head injuries can be very bad news -- keep us posted, please
arguably the Hellenstic age began with his regin.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre
i blame helen. she was a trojan horse, which was her achilles heel.
And as long as I'm ranting, the only reason Bush has been able to do what he's done is BECAUSE of 9/11.
pie
Agreed.
That certainly was a fortuitous gift for that crew, wasn't it?
Once one is hit, fear of getting hit again changes things dramatically. And those bunwads took full advantage of that fear.
regretfully, i do believe it's a'comin'...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
if'n that dog had only one hand...hell!
he'd start a shootin
Troublemaker |
oh it's a com'n, cause this ain't a cartoon. this is the real motherfuck'n deal. what ya goona say when the patriot goons come for you? sure mr. policeman, i go with you? no...
it's a com'n.
unless it's headed off... which isn't looking good.
well the Greeks had city states but not nation states.
Yep.
Anyway, the broader point is that to claim that any societal formation is "human nature" is inane and doomed to be wrong.
THat's all I'm saying.
I'm not following the EU connection here.
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
Alexander may claim all he glory but he owes an awful lot to his father.
Are not most of the nations that are called rogue, by the bush admin, ones who want to use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
doug
your point?
Keystone Blues
Citizen A;'could you please tell me where Jones Street is?'
Citizen B;'what's your point?'
Duh!
Haven't read all the comments, so please forgive if this has already been mentioned. I've found Jack Shafer's conversion into a major asshole to be puzzling, but people change, I guess.
Anyway, Stoller's description of him as being abrasive, as if wanting to pick a fight, seemed quite accurate. It is Shafer's way of inviting the inevitable blows so he can admire his black eyes in the mirror and commend himself for being relevant. Here're his own words in the column Posters vs. The Post (or Howell good, lefty blogs bad):
"One of the great mysteries—and disappointments—of my own career is that despite my best efforts I've never been the target of a protest by an angry minority organization, a special interest group, or a political caucus. No chief dittohead has ever directed his troops to lock up my publication's switchboard with harassing calls, stage a denial of service attack on my Web site, or visit my home at 3 a.m. with air horns."
As they say, be careful what you wish for!
yes woody...for every action there is a reaction.
i'm 56 and never owned a gun in my life...although i've had some life treatening jobs(Baltimore Cab Driver)
if the san andreas fault gives way...
or the nazis get too thick,
i'll need to be well armed.
thinkng of getting a glock and maybe a high powered rifle.
hey hunter just died...ther should be some on the market!
doesn't Sammy Boy Alito prefer Machine Guns???
woody,i agree, we are our brothers' keeper. by free, i mean believe in the right to self-determination. free to decide for ourselves about abortion, euthanasia, etc. all those other legalization movements.
"I am holding all those who supported him and his policy decisions responsible for the unbelievable suffering caused by them."
--pie
I hate it that I am made to support his policies because I pay taxes that aid his unjust war. Hell, I never minded paying taxes before (well, maybe a little), but now I feel my tax dollars are feeding interests that are not my interests.
arguably the Hellenstic age began with his regin.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre
i blame helen. she was a trojan horse, which was her achilles heel.
dirk gently, of course
With Helen it's always been hit or myth.
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:01 pm | #
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
rorschach who ♥ blerb | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 8:28 pm | #
most of them not even a few hundred years, national mythology notwithstanding.
blerb: The formation of social heirarchies with rules is an emergent property. The differnt forms of those heirarchies (structures) are called different things... tribalism, state, nation...
dirk: I have to disagree with you. The mere existance of heirarchies and rules is in no way tribalism.
statism nor puesedeo-free market ideology preached by neoliberals and vulgar Libertarians have the answers.
Anyway, the broader point is that to claim that any societal formation is "human nature" is inane and doomed to be wrong.
i disagree.
even the great apes have tribal structures. and i would presume that our common ancestors did, as well.
which is my point and belief. these kind of tribal structures are necessary for the common good, and the survival of the species. this i think is ingrained in all social animals.
weird. I just stopped by, saw four legs' comment and have to say this. Of all the beautiful people on this blog, and I've met some, and love others from afar, there is no more beautiful spirit or person here than four legs.
I shoulda said this yesterday because I thought it then, and I think it nearly everyday.
So there.
I DO NOT know what to make of this. It appears to be Bacon En Croute. Sort of. Not awful. Just....
It looks like some form of popovers, like you make with roast beef (?) drippings...
So sweet that at last year's Grand Canyon Onion Festival I came home with 72lbs worth, which I am, even now, working my way thru.
How are you storing those w/o them going bad/sprouting?
res ipsa loquitur
I put 'em in the onion drawer. It's just a deep drawer in the kitchen - one of the great virtues of living some place where the humidity doesn't much go over 19%. In my kitchen in Albuquerque, the kitchen drawers were fronted with wood, but were made of sheet metal, all one piece. Great for onions, potatoes, roots generally.
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
doug
ok - so what?
that was some tasty reading.
Europe originally was just 'christendom' before the reformation.
the idea of the nation state did not start to form properly till the 19th century e.g. the unfications of Germany and Italy.
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It's incomplete -- url's are still cut-and-paste, and I'm still plugging in phone numbers -- but I'm working my ass off to complete it, and there's enough there to do a lot of work filling voicemail and email inboxes and clog fax machines. So please, use it, then check back later as it gets more complete.
Thanks!!
ok - so what?
Haven't you heard the war drums beating over Iran, supposedly over nuclear use? Notice we are not beating the same drums over Pakistan, India or No. Korea.
It looks like some form of popovers, like you make with roast beef (?) drippings...
Marcia Brady ∞
Maybe. Wanta try it?
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
doug
ok - so what?
Keystone Blues
yeah doug, so fucking what? i mean, what's the fucking point? you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
doug
ok - so what?
Keystone Blues
yeah doug, so fucking what? i mean, what's the fucking point? you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
mr. smith goes to washington on right now. can you believe i've never seen it?
dirk: I have to disagree with you. The mere existance of heirarchies and rules is in no way tribalism.
JR | Email | 01.28.06 - 8:36 pm | #
it isn't the heirarchies and rules, those to some extent are the problem because once they extend beyond an immediate group they create the state. which usually becomes a problem.
it is the societal positions which allow (or demand) those most capable in one area to use that to help those weaker in that but stronger in others. to each according to his need, from each according to his ability.
hunter, medicine man, matriarch, chief. tribal. communal. self sustaining.
thinkng of getting a glock and maybe a high powered rifle.
I would recommend a shotgun.
Anyway, the broader point is that to claim that any societal formation is "human nature" is inane and doomed to be wrong.
THat's all I'm saying.
rorschach
Can you back up that claim?
Society formation is not only human nature, it is why we exist. Society create H sapiens, not the other way around.
There's also the math. Society is an emergent property of our very existance.
mr. smith goes to washington on right now. can you believe i've never seen it?
neither have i.
you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
I can try can't I? I'm a freaking engineer, with lots of knowledge about esoteric technical crap, and even I can grasp this.
Woody, Troublemaker, Charley--Monsieur is purchasing a gun and taking shooting lessons.
My husband hates weapons.
the idea of the nation state did not start to form properly till the 19th century e.g. the unfications of Germany and Italy.
egypt?
rome?
the chinese dynasties?
the aryan empire?
hmmm. i wonder.
Moonbats! What's happening? I'm sore from working in the yard and cooking all day. Took pumpkin curry soup, stuffed peppers, spinach casserole, cole slaw, mixed berries /w ricotta topping, and tapioca pudding over to my son and d i l. Dark moon tomorrow, but I can get ready for that tomorrow.
My son is cancelling his WaPo subscription and writing them a letter telling them why. I know he'd like to keep it for the sports, but he says the Howell mess was the final straw.
I would recommend a shotgun.
deer rifles are very easy to get, and have some interesting advantages.
I've found Jack Shafer's conversion into a major asshole to be puzzling, but people change, I guess.
He ran the SF Weekly for New Times five or six years ago.
He was a major asshole then, too.
When, exactly, was he anything but a hack?
the United Kingdom did not really exist till the Act of Union 1707,.
since the 10th century England and Scotland considered themseleves seperate states.
the accession of Jamea Ist changed all that.
much later the Act of Union 1800 joined the Kingdom of Ireland,.
woody...that's a good one....who ever figured that one out?
my nephew calls her over the hill...
BRITNEY SPITS
It's hard to get on dvd; it was actually one of the first and then they stopped pressing it
thinkng of getting a glock and maybe a high powered rifle.
I would recommend a shotgun.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
Hecate--your son and DIL are most fortunate to have you. I'll be seeing mine for a short time later.
And your food sounds scrumptious.
Europe originally was just 'christendom' before the reformation.
the idea of the nation state did not start to form properly till the 19th century e.g. the unfications of Germany and Italy.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 8:38 pm |
Indeedy. Alas, too many 'journalists', whether they be Americans or Brits, don't seem to grasp that, and write about 'ancient ethnic hatreds' as the cause of genocide and war. That would be no.
I would recommend a shotgun.
Billy B - 8:40 pm
12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
...
Moonbootica --
Periodization of history is largely arbitrary but essential -- Phillip forged the weapon that Alexander used
Whatever one might think of Alexander, he deserved a better movie
And "city-state" is a silly name for "polis" (how do I get haloscan to write in Greek?), but it is the convention -- the concept is not easily expressed in English because we just don't think about our polity the same way as the "classical" Greeks did -- the novel "Gates of Fire" (movie rights acquired by George Clooney) does a pretty good job, IMHO
Nation-state
A nation-state is a specific form of state (a political entity), which exists to provide a sovereign territory for a particular nation (a cultural entity), and which derives its legitimacy from that function. The compact OED defines it as: "a sovereign state of which most of the citizens or subjects are united also by factors which define a nation, such as language or common descent." Typically it is a unitary state with a single system of law and government. It is almost by definition a sovereign state, meaning that there is no external authority above the state itself.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
you do want difficulties.
http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/
tre...mn014591_md.jpg
Maybe. Wanta try it?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Thanks, but I'm trying my very hardest to stay veganish. I don't think I've had bacon in 30+ years.
But popovers are way yummy.
Society formation is not only human nature, it is why we exist. Society create H sapiens, not the other way around
Sorry, I mean any "particular" societal formation.
oh i could kill these republican mofos with my hands...
(maybe not my govener Arnhould)
but Katrina taught me something...
something
i didn't want to see.
Prior Aelred | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 8:44 pm | #
perdu is the governor of georgia.
polis want a cracker.
Blogosphere of the Libertarian Left
deer rifles are very easy to get, and have some interesting advantages.
Yes, they do. I was thinking that, if one had to throw down in urban environs, a 12 gauge would be the most effective.
Along with the pistol, that is.
Moonbats! What's happening? I'm sore from working in the yard and cooking all day. Took pumpkin curry soup, stuffed peppers, spinach casserole, cole slaw, mixed berries /w ricotta topping, and tapioca pudding over to my son and d i l. Dark moon tomorrow, but I can get ready for that tomorrow.
I vote we make Hecate make 'Jolly Boys'.
I hate it that I am made to support his policies because I pay taxes that aid his unjust war. Hell, I never minded paying taxes before (well, maybe a little), but now I feel my tax dollars are feeding interests that are not my interests.
Well, I'm sure you would have said that you would have been happy to save lives before the hurricane hit NOLA. And after? There would have been people rebuilding. I already said this a few weeks ago, but a co-worker, whose husband drives a car carrier, was appalled at the destruction still in evidence in LA.
Nothing had been done. Nothing.
Can you imagine that where we are?
On that note, I'm out.
you do want difficulties.
yes. but i think it'll have high surprise factor.
"stop right there!"
"whoa, mate! what the fuck is that thing?"
"it's a blunderbuss. and i'm not your 'mate.'"
*kerplow*
yeah doug, so fucking what? i mean, what's the fucking point? you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
james crack corn
you or your boyfriend still did not answer my question.
maybe not my govener Arnhould
He's got a cranky heart, just make him run for a while, then kick the crap out of him.
it is the societal positions which allow (or demand) those most capable in one area to use that to help those weaker in that but stronger in others. to each according to his need, from each according to his ability.
Tribal heirarchies are based on absolute conformity and subsummation to the tribe. The individual doesn't exist per se
hunter, medicine man, matriarch, chief. tribal. communal. self sustaining.
dirk gently
Heretics burned, women stoned, outsiders killed, etc. It's not idyllic.
Marcia B--entirely possible to make popovers without meat fat.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka)
the Learning Annex is offering 'how to make arrowheads' weekend workshops I *think*
meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
look, i've said it a hundred times here. i could give a ratfuck'n ass about politics except as entertainment.
i don't give a shit about right, or left, human nature or states, i just want a modicum of competent leadership.
we do not have that at present.
Typically it is a unitary state with a single system of law and government. It is almost by definition a sovereign state, meaning that there is no external authority above the state itself.
so my examples above? i mean, i'm not sure language or common descent are realistic anymore anyway.
Keystone Blues with that comment you become dead to me.
I think i shall choose a gladius and a pilum
ok - so what?
Keystone Blues
If the Iranians think they can start blowing off the U.S. dollar, think what would happen if, say, China did the same? You don't want the Iranians thinking they can do this b/c other folks might get the idea they can do thing. Capiche?
entirely possible to make popovers without meat fat.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
Yes, but I like to avoid the eggy-milky deal without making too much of a fuss about it.
I'm not pure by any stretch...
the Learning Annex is offering 'how to make arrowheads' weekend workshops I *think*
hee hee. well, if we're going back to when theocracy ruled the land, we might as well be ethnically correct and use the weapons the pilgrims used...
and the iroquois.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka) - 8:43 pm
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
Oh and won't that be a goody thing for you, your children, and your dog!!
blip
egypt?
rome?
the chinese dynasties?
the aryan empire?
hmmm. i wonder.
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 8:41 pm | #
Not really the same as a modern day nation/state. A state isn't always a nation, and a nation isn't always a state. There are some nation/states that can claim be longstanding, continous throught time, but very, very few.
look, i've said it a hundred times here. i could give a ratfuck'n ass about politics except as entertainment.
i don't give a shit about right, or left, human nature or states, i just want a modicum of competent leadership.
which is, to some extent, how we got where we are.
partisanship and apathy don't mix (not meaning in one person - meaning some of each)
over there
Marcia B--you can use egg sub and soy milk, and still get a nice product. They won't fluff quite as high, but they're moist and delicious.
Hello all. How's things this evening? I got to have lunch with Tena today. She's having a lovely time with her son and granddaughter, been too busy to post. She is exactly as I would have expected, by the way, ashas been everyone else so far. We had a lovely time and spoke about you all and how much we value you. Cheers!
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
Oh and won't that be a goody thing for you, your children, and your dog!!
Luke
Look! The troll is imitating language!
I'm not pure by any stretch...
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.28.06 - 8:49 pm | #
ummmm.....
ok
america started with the indian genocide
black slavery
we dropped the only atomic bombs
the CIA has been RATFUCKING all over the planet for 50 years
and now we STRART defensive wars...wolfowitz can try to hide in academia but i hope they drag his soory ass out of there and string the sob up
now we got THE VILLAGE IDIOT and his TORTURE PROGRAMS...a virtual gulag
if it were a just world,
AMERICA WOULD BE DEAD ALREADY
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
The idea of a nation-state is associated with the rise of the modern system of states, usually dated to the Treaty of Westphalia (164. The balance of power, which characterises that system, depends for its effectiveness on clearly-defined, centrally controlled, independent entities, whether empires or nation-states. The nation-state received a philosophical underpinning from the era of Romanticism, at first as the 'natural' expression of the individual peoples (romantic nationalism). Since then many varieties of nationalism have developed.
Society formation is not only human nature, it is why we exist. Society create H sapiens, not the other way around
Sorry, I mean any "particular" societal formation.
rorschach
No particular societal formation is implicit. The structures within emergent systems are both malleable and robust, so long as the system is undisrupted.
So Moonbotica,
When you say you are against "statism" is it purely modern nation states that you are against? It is of course a no-brainer that these have only existed since the 19th century, thank you Rorschach. Is there something about these that makes them inherently more evil than city-states or feudal hierarchies or the Roman, Persian, Greek, or Chinese Empires?
Because all I was saying is that if you wish to create a society without some form of social hierarchy, I think that is a futile excercise. It is against human nature.
Marcia--1/4 cup egg sub per egg.
15 MINUTES TO KILLER SUPER WASPS AND ALT.
Hecate --
Fr William is sending you something -- hopes that it arrives before 1 Feb -- the Eve of the Presentation (of Purification or Candlemass or whatever wiccans call it)
Just so you should keep an eye out
Keystone Blues with that comment you become dead to me.
doug
Oh, that hurts.........
Peace of Westphalia
The Peace of Westphalia, also known as the Treaties of Münster and Osnabrück, refers to the series of treaties that ended the Thirty Years' War and officially recognized the United Provinces and Swiss Confederation. The Spanish treaty which ended the Eighty Years' War was signed on January 30, 1648. The treaty signed October 24, 1648 was between the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand III, the other German princes, France, and Sweden. The Treaty of the Pyrenees, signed in 1659, ending the war between France and Spain is also often considered part of the treaty. It marked the beginning of the modern era, ending feudalism in international relations and spawning the sovereign nation-state.
so my examples above? i mean, i'm not sure language or common descent are realistic anymore anyway.
dirk gently, of course -8:48 pm
probably not in a post-colonial imperial state...
Not really the same as a modern day nation/state.
well, obviously not modern, but how was egypt not a nation state?
Thers--all right!!!
blerb so you say.
but we shall have to respectably disagree.
i always thought athens and sparta and troy were considered nation-states...
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka) - 8:43 pm
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
10 gauge, lever action. Half-buck.*
*If you know what "half-buck" means you have been very, very bad.
*kerplow*
It would be more like BOOOOM!!!!
A buddy of mine went to a local indoor shooting range several years back for target practice.
When we got there another buddy showed up and pulled out a .44 mag pistol. Wow. Started shooting that cannon and the flames were shooting out of the end of the damn gun a foot or so. The fucker was so loud that folks started to leave the range.
That's one bad ass handgun.
program the hologram to reproduce squid tentacles
just in case 'Ol Bess' the 12 gauge' can't stop 'them'
If the Iranians think they can start blowing off the U.S. dollar, think what would happen if, say, China did the same? You don't want the Iranians thinking they can do this b/c other folks might get the idea they can do thing. Capiche?
res ipsa loquitur
nope, not really. sorry.
Hey, if a shotgun was good enough for Grandma, it's good enough for me!
As far as arrowheads go, just buy a bunch of silver dollars (the older, larger ones) or half dollar coins... you can easily cut them into sharp, pointy triangles... perfect, easy arrowheads!
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The left is a pretty stupid force. They don't realize that America has moved to the right. They want to move farther to the left, despite the fact that the Democrat Party is at it's most liberal ever.
Dear Prior,
Fr William is so good to me. We call it Imbolc, the feast of the Goddess Brigid (pronounced Breed), who is a the goddess of fire, blacksmiths, poetry, and childbirth. I think the Catholics celebrate the feast of St. Brigit at about the same time. I'll be on the lookout!
That's one bad ass handgun.
The trouble with those kind of cannons, is to be able to hit anything with them.
Most people start to get a flinch going after shooting it just a few times.
There are some nation/states that can claim be longstanding, continous throught time, but very, very few.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
One way of thinking of nation is to consider the word as denoting a group of people that are culturally bound -- by language, customs, descent, etc. State usually means the polity that is geographically bound and has a government that holds a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence to enforce laws and mores. Sometimes a nation's outline and a state's correspond pretty closely, as with Japan. Sometimes not, as with the US or the former Soviet Union or Iraq. Sometimes a nation is attached to a piece of land -- Isreal -- and sometimes it isn't particularly -- the Islamic Ummah.
i'm anti-federalism, by the way. letting each state have different laws is pretty much bullshit in this day and age with such a migratory population.
and having 50 different state bars is also stupid.
"I'm not a blogger, and don't care much."
The bloggers are the real heroes of the media (or lack of it) these days. They are fighting to get the truth out there when the massive repugnant machine has bought everything mostly - especially the mainstream media. We lost the last two presidential elections for a couple reasons but the most important was the refusal to let the dem candidates speak. The liberal blogs are doing that and they deserve are gratitude whatever happens.
This fight is about the blogs.
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
bdg
name one alito ruling that you support.
Folks, it's spelled C-a-p-i-c-e.
JR--
Okay, we seem to agree.
Why keep arguing?
Goodness, I was about to conclude that i'd come into a serious discussion of something or other, until somebody mentioned Killer Wasps. I am reassured.
Vulgar Libertarianism Watch, Part 1
When we got there another buddy showed up and pulled out a .44 mag pistol. Wow. Started shooting that cannon and the flames were shooting out of the end of the damn gun a foot or so. The fucker was so loud that folks started to leave the range.
That's one bad ass handgun.
damn.... isn't that dirty harry's gun?
Keystone Blues: here.
blerb I had him on my firewall, sent the stuff into hackerswatch... sure he isn't using a proxy?
guess i should have gone to school - not sure of the terminology of "nation state". does in only mean a nation composed of states? a centralized govt at the pinicalle of local ones?
it seems that would be largely impossible before modern communication. but then, i thought the aztecs had such a sytem. and i thought ancient china did too - an emporer over provinces.
but as i say, not my area of expertise. i am more interested in the societal configurations from an anthropological point of view than a political one. if those can be seperated.
i couldn't believe the supremes decided that regulation on how to dispose of nuclear waste is supposed to be ruled by state law.
ummmm.....
dirk gently, of course
Yes? Questions? Comments? Photographs?
Persian money enabled the Spartans to build a navy as good as the Athenians.
the Persians may of lost against the united Greek city states but their money certainly helped the Peloponnesian War along.
i couldn't believe the supremes decided that regulation on how to dispose of nuclear waste is supposed to be ruled by state law.
get ready for a hell of a lot more inconsistent case law. the move is on to "state's rights unless it's for drugs or the president."
Why keep arguing?
rorschach
We aren't arguing, we're exploring.
i remember my 1st NY's Eve in Espanola, New Mexico...
@ midnight the shooting began,
a few pistols
a couple deer rifles
a shotgun or two
then...
it sounded like a sixty caliber automatic machine gun spewing off 20 or 30 rounds
...and KAAAAAABBOOOOM
musta been a hangrenade.
AMERICA IS ARMED TO THE TEETH...
and like the demented little dubya
ready to go.
Watch Out Georgie Boy...
don't push her over the line.
Thanks to T2 for all the work. And can I say I love my hometown boys: Massachusetts Rocks!
I vote we make Hecate make 'Jolly Boys'.
Oh what are those? I'm running out of good things to fix them that transport easily.