I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I need to read.
.
third?
Oh, I read that hours ago. 
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Saturday, in the park.
I wish.
Maybe I'm on my own, up here.
.
I think it was the Fourth of July.
yes
A real celebration...
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We can use them if we only pretend to care what they say.
As Sen Durbin says "learn to count."
no filibuster for you cunts.
Stoller's on a roll-er.
Heh.
Need to get out of the office.
Yes I know it's Saturday.
In fact, throughout the discussion, Shafer kept acting abrasively, challenging various bloggers to delete the offensive comments he would put up on their blog that very night.
If you're telling the truth, you're not going to get defensive about offensive comments.
Bloggers do need to stay on topic, and not make personal attacks on those with whom they disagree. There are such things as manners. What really hacks me off is when ANY disagreement, of any kind, is taken as a personal attack. We need to keep the discourse civil. Remember Gettysburg, where it certainly wasn't.
Hey! That's MY Guy!
Nah, I let him off the hook, He can't be held accountable for everything, now.
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bdg,
You like the word "cunt," don't you. Is that because you've never had the opportunity to eat one?
You're a mother fucking psycho ass who doesn't deserve to live. And I mean that sincerely.
Go fuck yourself, you anatomical freak.
Now I must get some work done.
Laters!!
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
Drive by...
Bloggers do need to stay on topic, and not make personal attacks on those with whom they disagree. There are such things as manners. What really hacks me off is when ANY disagreement, of any kind, is taken as a personal attack. We need to keep the discourse civil. Remember Gettysburg, where it certainly wasn't.
PinHouston
Fuck off.
Bye.
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg - 6:33 pm
eat shit and die, cully...
hey vicki!
ring!!!
ring!!!!
ring!!!!
BWAHAHAHAAHHA
If you're telling the truth, you're not going to get defensive about offensive comments.
Yup. What's shameless, to my mind, anyway, is that these people are adults. Well into adulthood. There, for most people, anyway, is a point at which you realize that the truth and good prevail over lies and evil. Why these people are on the side of evil is the mystery to me.
what does a supreme court justice have to do with elections?
Guys - FDL & Kos are on a major roll on the filibuster front. Time to take action and call all the senators.
I'm not a blogger, and don't care much. It's interesting to me that the stuff I find incredibly important (Daou's most recent) is sidelined by our host in favor of this kind of stuff (bloggers vs. the MSM).
To Atrios, that's important. To me, I'm more interested in other things. Blogging doesn't have to be self-referential, but it is. And too much, already, if'n you ask me.
We need to keep the discourse civil. Remember Gettysburg, where it certainly wasn't.
Remember purple bandaides and swift boats.
The gloves should have come of then, and if it's taken this long, so be it.
WATBs!
It's weird to face this constant infantalizing, over and over and over.
stop right there. i'll read it and maybe twice, but i am not a liberal or a democrat, nor do i particualarly believe in democracy.
WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN IS FASCISM!
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg | Email | 01.28.06 - 6:33 pm | #
Just blow me, already. Okay?
By which I mean again, as you
obviously know.
Thank you for your cooperation
in this regard.
bdg, fuck off.
What do you know about American politics?
No, it's not about cursing on the Internet. Yes, Americans are unruly, but generally civil.
And yes, the issue of language used is almost entirely irrelevant.
This is not, how you say, news..
When do we move this conversation along to something meaningful?
I'm not a blogger, and don't care much. It's interesting to me that the stuff I find incredibly important (Daou's most recent) is sidelined by our host in favor of this kind of stuff (bloggers vs. the MSM).
Media is what Atrios *does*, you fucking nimwit.
Troll infestation so early. Jeebuz.
what does a supreme court justice have to do with elections?
nick carraway | 01.28.06 - 6:37 pm | #
well, they did pick the shrub over the real winner in 2000.
Guys - FDL & Kos are on a major roll on the filibuster front. Time to take action and call all the senators.
obsessed
Yeah. Nobody has been talking about that around here in the last few days...
/rolls eyes
I'm more interested in other things.
Navel-gazing?
Whatevah.
bdg is the stalker troll. The one who called me and posted my personal information on the blog.
Nothing more needs to be said about this deranged nut job.
so wait, elmendorf wants to use my energy and money and passion, then pander to a bunch of lazy centrists who don't get involved and probably don't even vote? and ignore my issues?
well excuse me for being uncivil, but FUCK HIM.
I suppose I would be less inclined to dispute the msm if it would just do its job. If it recognized that there are not two sides to every fact, we'd have a start. Then maybe we could move on to actually reporting the news.
Ever skated on an ice-skating rink with an ice cream cone in each hand?
Media is what Atrios *does*, you fucking nimwit.
I know it is what A does. The point is, A writing, or refencing posts about what A does is not all that interesting to me. I'd prefer he focused his attention elsewhere.
This is trolling? Jeebus.
Nothing more needs to be said about this deranged nut job.
Isn't he Canadian?
Well, they have assholes there, too.
I was trying to say that we liberals, unlike the Repugs, need to keep it at an adult level. If that offends someone, so be it.
Thank you for your cooperation
in this regard.
steve simels
steve! your back!
"it demands that people in power question themselves"
Which they very much dislike, perhaps, because, after all, they *had* to have been doing something right, hadn't they, to get the power they have.
Well, talk about a circular argument, eh?
This reflects Scalia's argument that the Constitution is a "dead" rather than a living document.
One reaches an end, there is no more, so why question, why go forward?
Jeebus Christ on toast points, following that to its logical conclusion would send us all back to before the Enlightenment.
Yes, let's just stop progress in its tracks, shall we?
Self-serving, lazy idiots.
Politricks is the ritualized killing of love.
bdg is the stalker troll.
it stalked me once.
i invited it to visit me in Albuquerque, but it has so demurred.
funny, que no?
Okay, I read it. Stoller hits it on the head, again. A riot, Jesus fucking Christ. Should have hit that jackass over the head with a lead pipe and said, no, this is a riot (in both senses of the word) ...
dirk gently: well excuse me for being uncivil, but FUCK HIM.
I think someone over at fdl sed, "If this guy's a 'Dem lobbyist who advised the Kerry campaign,' he needs a nice cup of STFU."
.
I was trying to say that we liberals, unlike the Repugs, need to keep it at an adult level. If that offends someone, so be it.
PinHouston
nah. if they can't stand the heat, fuck 'em.
I'd prefer he focused his attention elsewhere.
I'd prefer a lot of things.
You're not one of them.
steve! your back!
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 6:41 pm | #
I like to keep my hand in from
time to time.
A writing, or refencing posts about what A does is not all that interesting to me. I'd prefer he focused his attention elsewhere.
This is trolling? Jeebus.
hit 'n' run |
And who died and made you and your opinion any more important than anyone elses?
If you want to create a topic for discussion, start your own fucking blog.
dirk: yeah, but I was sort of interested how the "guest" sees the Supremes affecting Democratic prospects in the future. Is he saying the Republicans will always need judicial intervention to succeed?
Navel-gazing?
pie, that's exactly what Stoller's post is, navel-gazing! I don't think we have time for it. I think Daou's post about how the media is in effective cahoots with the righties was much more significant and interesting. The rest? Let's leave it to the historians.
Stoller's piece is excellent, btw.
Did you note that Schafer responded to him in the comments?
What really ticks them off is that ordinary folks now have the tools to peak behind the curtain and see for themselves how the great and powerful Oz functions.
It ain't pretty.
Wow, someone in MA just pulled in every blog post I ever made, I think. Hmm.
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And who died and made you and your opinion any more important than anyone elses?
Nobody. Did I say it was? No. I expressed my opinion. I thought that was what these threads were for. Guess I was wrong, again.
Speaking of Oz...I need the wizard to work a little magic tonight.
Is he saying the Republicans will always need judicial intervention to succeed?
nick carraway | 01.28.06 - 6:43 pm | #
ahhh. see, i was assuming he was just talking out of his ass. so i snarked.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
well last time i checked atrios ran the blog, so really its his choice what he blogs about.
Speaking of Oz...I need the wizard to work a little magic tonight.
Vicki |
now, where did i put that wand?....
I think Daou's post about how the media is in effective cahoots with the righties was much more significant and interesting.
The one that was discussed here several days ago? Man, you're not able to drink from the firehose, are ya?
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"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit in segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of million of citizens."--Ted Kennedy, July 1, 1987
"Perhaps Prof. Liu put it best, of the Berkeley law school, when he wrote this: He said, Judge Alito's record envisions an America where police may shoot and kill an unarmed boy to stop him from running away with a stolen purse; where federal agents point guns at ordinary citizens during a raid, even after no sign of resistance; where the FBI may install a camera where you sleep on the promise that they won't turn it on unless the informant is in the room; where a black man may be sentenced to death by an all-white jury for killing a white man absent any kind of multiple regression analysis or other analysis of potential discrimination; and where police may search--I paraphrased that last sentence; it reads precisely 'absent a multiple regression analysis showing discrimination'--and where police may search what a warrant, may search and define what a warrant permits and then some. This is not the America we know, he says, nor is it the America we aspire to be."--John Kerry Jan. 27, 2006
Ah, the hysterical left. Always good for a laugh.
heh i took a politics test and the result declared me a Socialist
You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness
hit n run,
I've never seen you here before. You walk in with a holier than thou, pious comment, and it makes you look like an asshole.
Observe and learn some decorum before you spout off. And it's just rude to enter someone's blog and tell them what *you* think they should be doing.
That was a great piece, thanks for posting it.
There I've been polite.
Fucking cocksuckers of the press.
why bust someone's chops just for expressing an opinion about Atrios' priorities? I think sometimes the commenters here (myself included) could stand to have thicker skins about that sort of thing.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios
Wow. Go get 'em!!
Um, what does that mean?
Evening all.
Of to quaff elitist chardonnay
blah blah blah.
Later!
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios
Thanks, Atrios. I'll place that in my stalking file for reference.
i've banned bdg several times.
Navel-gazing?
pie, that's exactly what Stoller's post is, navel-gazing! I don't think we have time for it. I think Daou's post about how the media is in effective cahoots with the righties was much more significant and interesting. The rest? Let's leave it to the historians.
It wasn't so much about how the righties are in effective cahoots with the media, so much as how the Democratic communication structure between the media and the party; between the media and the base; and between the base and the party are broken.
Discussing how the media infantilizes the base in it's dealing with the "barbarian" bloggers is part of it.
on my blog.
This may be OT, but I am not sure.
Has anyone ever taken the time to do either a series of articles or a book on the Lifestyles of the Rich and Shameless Newswhores?
Seriously, a chapter on Mrs. Greenspan would be the hook. Summer pictures of Fat Tim at his Nantucket retreat to follow. Then get into the producers and other whores who keep pushing this shit. (Get Sultzberger et al as well)
I think if people understood that their news was being filtered in this way, they might be able to understand. (Well, its MY illusion anyway)
And the notion that bloggers are civil or not is also silly; bloggers are people, and people run the gamut.
all i know is i read Thoreau's Civil Disobedience about 10 times after the election.
this is supposed to be govt. for the people and by the people. not for the senators, not for the press, they are there to look out for us.
meanwhile a sociopathic idiot runs the game with a band of criminals. i fuck'n reject that, and anyone who promulgates it's advancement.
if that's uncivil so fuck'n be it.
I believe I speak for all bloggers when I say:
People who criticize what we write: bring'em on.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 6:45 pm | #
so he is in canada and connected through his cable service. rogers cable, inc.
shall we report him to their abuse department? bet they would cut him off. rogers is a pretty good company.
why bust someone's chops just for expressing an opinion about Atrios' priorities?
Because it's fucking rude, that's why.
Especially when it's someone you've never seen before.
Kaine aint-a-gonna pander to no base, hey? I ax again, who is this guy, and why is he doing the Dem SOTU response? My guess is they're going for the religious center, which he can probably speak well to.
But they aint-a-gonna pander to us, no-siree. We are the base, they do realize it, and we can still STFU? Sure. They got us, we're "safe", and their attention is on the feast of moveable votes in the Godly Middle..
Every email I get from the Dems wants money. Every email I send 'em goes unanswered.
blogging is a free for all.
hey vicki!
ring!!!
ring!!!!
ring!!!!
BWAHAHAHAAHHA
bdg
Lightening bolt, straight to the scrotum.
Mission Accomplished.
Little dick fuckwad. Bully, creep, pervert, sociopath, pissant.
Wow, someone in MA just pulled in every blog post I ever made, I think. Hmm.
Wasn't me, brother, I swear!
I don't think we have time for it.
Sweetheart, we have all the time in the world. Read history. Have some faith in the history and the people of this country.
But I love your passion.
well last time i checked atrios ran the blog, so really its his choice what he blogs about.
Well, of course it is! I think it is interesting, and worth discussing, what he thinks is important, or what is more important. I think it's worth pointing out that blogging about blogging is not what I--one reader--am interested in. I further think that A might want to think about why blogging about blogging interests him. Why he thinks it's worth reading, and re-reading about. I think that's interesting, and should be thought about.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
Wait...you have a blog?
BTW: Thanks, A-Man.
I'm not a blogger, and don't care much. It's interesting to me that the stuff I find incredibly important (Daou's most recent) is sidelined by our host in favor of this kind of stuff (bloggers vs. the MSM).
"This kind of stuff" IS what Daou's been writing about. Crikey.
We're off to buy a vacuum cleaner. Because THAT'S HOW WE ROLL.
Lightening bolt, straight to the scrotum.
Mission Accomplished.
Thank you, Sarah Deere, gentle, gracious, generous goddess!
you only need to see my blog, its like totally random.
Atrios does a hell of a job. And if there is something you want to discuss, it is not like there are NOT open threads and all.
Fucking wankers. You are always welcome to do the daily blog thing: it is free, you know?
As Sen Durbin says "learn to count."
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg
Brian, you like to mess with women like the lovely Miss Vicki. Don't you?
Why don't you call me on the phone?
Why don't you call me a cunt or a prick or some other infantile horseshit Brian?
I will fuck you up Brian. That is a promise.
Amigos, thees was quoted een Stoller's post, yet I feel eet needs more attention, no?
"The bloggers and online donors represent an important resource for the party, but they are not representative of the majority you need to win elections," said Steve Elmendorf, a Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. "The trick will be to harness their energy and their money without looking like you are a captive of the activist left."
So they weesh to have our dolares for their war-chests, and they weesh to have our "energy" i.e. our phone-banking and leafletting time...
yet they do no weesh to leesten to us, or to be seen to care for our concerns...
¿how ees thees going to work?
Step 1. Distance jourselves from jour own party's grassroots while trying to exploit their numbers and their wallets.
Step 2. ~
Step 3. Inauguration Day, baby!
¿Ees thees how they really theenk?
Eef so, we must disabuse them of thees notion, no?
Oh, and for the wankerrr Elmendorf...
We weel remember joo.
As others have already stated so well: Anyone with the words "Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign" next to their name really needs a nice warm glass of shut-the-fuck-up.
so.
Vicki, I despise filth like that. I will take your back when I see you being attacked.
Fuck that little fucker, anyway.
and between the base and the party are broken.
Not broken, exactly. Just not in place yet.
Although it's being built even as we speak.
if you want to report the troll to his internet provider for abuse/stalking/whatever you can do so here:
http://tinyurl.com/8rk4x
be sure to include his ip address and the time/date he was online with that ip, since it may change. it needn't be the same time as the session in which he threatened or abused you or posted personally identifiable information about you.
i know a little about internet security, you see.
i know a little about internet security, you see.
dirk gently, of course
*MWAH*!
Done!
We're off to buy a vacuum cleaner.
vacuum cleaners suck.
Look, we all know, okay, speaking of Atrios's misplaced priorities, look, do I really have to say it?
Biofuels.
There, I said it.
Hopefully that'll remind him of what's important.
Polish hall collapses killing 20
The roof of a trade hall hosting at least 500 people in the southern Polish city of Katowice has collapsed, killing at least 20 people, police say.
The weight of snow on the building, which was housing a pigeon exhibition, was the possible cause, they added.
At least 100 people were injured and up to 100 may still be trapped amid freezing temperatures.
if sammy sez it's OK to kill an 8th grade black boy...shooting him in the back before he gits away...when only stealing $10 in a purse and running away...climbing a fence...well? maybe the republicans are prophets after all. maybe...
The Time of Killing has begun.
I'm done for now (again).
Later!! Fend those trolls of all types off for me!!
Every time someone tells me what I should be writing the probability goes up just a little bit that, to steal a line from tbogg, the site will be all jonah goldberg/kj lopez slash fic all the time.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
I assume you don't post random stream-of-consciousness. Long ago I criticized your turkee posts, and much for the same reason. In both cases, I don't think you are thinking enough about what you are posting, and why you are posting it, and the consequences of posting. I have a right to say that, I thank you for providing me a forum for saying it, and I wish you'd think about it.
Just like the MSM, you have blank pages staring at you. It must be scary sometimes. It must be a burden, sometimes. I thought it was very interesting you said "read it, and then read it again". You didn't say that about Daou's post, I don;t think. But I thought Daou's post had far more consequences and meaning to the world at large. That's the point, I think.
Sorry I kicked your dog. But it's one ugly dog.
vacuum cleaners suck.
NO FLIRTING.
NO FLIRTING.
Thers |
that blows.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 6:45 pm | #
Ah, the digital brownshirts are at it again,
Every time someone tells me what I should be writing the probability goes up just a little bit that, to steal a line from tbogg, the site will be all jonah goldberg/kj lopez slash fic all the time.
[heaving]
I hoovered my room today, cause i was bored.
tho my room is now looking very tidy.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
i for one think you are doing a damn fine job. don't stop. don't ever stop.
if the senators and press won't hold 'em accountable at least there are the blogs.
for now,,,
I love Rebecca MacKinnon, even if she is a kitten-eating cyborg.
Gotta go pick up my daughter.
hit n run.
Go post about Daou on your own blog. Seems to me that Atrios has certainly posted plenty of Daou lately.
I'm sorry, but I have no patience for smug assholes like you.
Sorry, Atrios, but that's how I feel about this kind of shit. I say this is your sand box, you get to dump the toys you want us to play with into it.
atrios i like what your doing.
i may be a furriner but now i have lots of useless facts about American politics 
the British blogopshere is also doing very well, not as important politics wise as the American bloggers but its getting there.
Ph, Jeez, here we go again. Biofuels!!! Keepin' it real (compared to what?)
Up next; Linkwarz!
Gotta go pick up my daughter.
hit 'n' run
Please do, hurry up and get the hell out.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Why does Atrios hate biofuels?
Speaking of Oz...I need the wizard to work a little magic tonight.
Vicki
Well I'm behind the cutain pullin' levers and stompin' pedals and turning wheels as fast as I.
Every time someone tells me what I should be writing the probability goes up just a little bit that, to steal a line from tbogg, the site will be all jonah goldberg/kj lopez slash fic all the time.
Atrios
Oh, now you're just teasing us....
Getting closer:
IP: 69.197.2.122
Country: Canada
City: Owen Sound, Ontario
Why does Atrios hate biofuels?
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
They give him gas?
Ah, the digital brownshirts are at it again,
sane lib | 01.28.06 - 6:56 pm | #
Hey asshole? The guy has harrassed Atrios commenters. That abuse deserves to be reported to his ISP. Nothing is happening to him merely because he said something asinine. And, no doubt, the information is only being used so that the ISP can determine who is using their service abusively.
So, you know, blow it out your ass.
Why does Atrios hate biofuels?
See, that's what I was just saying.
Very disappointing.
Concern trolls are specializing, now? Who knew?
.
El Senor Gato Negro just hit the nail squarely on the head.
perhaps biofuels could be filibustered.
To Atrios, that's important. To me, I'm more interested in other things. Blogging doesn't have to be self-referential, but it is. And too much, already, if'n you ask me.
Didn't ask you. Go start your own fucking blog.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
They give him gas?
DWD - Challenge
Teh witty!
atrios only gets 3 million hits a day! he should definitely change something!
It'll be interesting to see whether Shafer responds to Atrios' response to him on Stoller's comments.
Hit him again with the chair, Atrios!
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
Mr. Garrison?
The guy has harrassed Atrios commenters.
What exactly did he do? Curse at you?
Give me a break.
hadenough | 01.28.06 - 7:00 pm | #
While wrong of him to post vicki's personal information, it would be equally wrong to do that to him. If He's stalking people and harrassing them in their homes, the thing to do is to go through his ISP and/or the police.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
wÒÓ†
Such a pity, such a pity.
bdg is a man, because it was a male voice on the phone when he called.
bdg insuled me and my niece
he is a piece of shit who deserves the worst punishment possible.
for the record just about the only thing which will make me try to hunt down a troll's identity is if they harass off-internet, such as calling them at home/work/whatever.
I had a crazy disruptor troll who took a shit all over this place for a couple of years. I knew his identity, and his mother's, but I never outed his full identity because as far as I knew he'd never gone outside the confines of the comments here.
One has to be totally in awe of our progressive blogs. Geez everytime I click on a new link and read the essay (or whatever) the writing clarity, the technical skill and topical coherence leave me speechless.
Where in wingnuttia land is there writing that can compare to what we have?
Some dudes our progressives.
The line about tribal behaviors and beliefs that have no corrolation to reality is so true. It blows my mind that Howell's defense against being called a right-winger is that "my friends would howl at the notion." For her and her friends it's them who control the language, the definitions of the catagories and who gets filed where. God forbid they should reflect on how other folks sort things out . . .
*insulted.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
amen to that.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
right on!
yes the rethugs do need the court.
They MUST have the court.
they are being challenged on thier lies and corruption and the ONLY way they can win in the long run is with court victories.
: What really hacks me off is when ANY disagreement, of any kind, is taken as a personal attack. We need to keep the discourse civil.
And where the fuck has civility gotten us?
It's gotten us labeled as weak pussies.
Fuck that. The time for civility is over.
It's just a way to shift the conversation away from the central issue and confuse people about the actual issues being discussed. Or, in internet speak, trolling.
Atrios, that says it so well. Nice comment to Jack.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
Just don't forget about the bio-fuels.
(I keed, I keed)
People don't even have to "start their own fucking blog" which may or may not be read. They can go post a diary at kos or mydd or booman and get an audience right away.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang. ~ wÒÓ†
Joo see, here ees the theengy...
eef joo call someone a c_nt, and joo mean eet as an eensult,
that means joo theenk that c_nts are bad theengs, no?
So, therefore joo must like cocks eenstead.
So, bdg just likes cocks, eh?
Q.E.D. (as Res Ipsa would surely say, were she here.)
so.
took the quiz on moon's blog link.
surprise surprise, i am a socialist.
83% permissinve socially, 10% economically.
i'm proud.
Atrios, you're one smart guy.
They have nothing.
Don't the other bloggers realize that having no comments (instawhoever) or deleting comments is totally squelching free-speech?
I have to assume they don't want to adhere to this age-old document. 1789. We managed to survive with it. What wise men they were. Now we have the retards.
I guess that's why Bush poo-pooed FISA.
He hates history. Even recent history.
bdg shall never know the taste of poontang.
wÒÓ†
As a true, bona fide assface, Brian knows the taste of butt every time he licks his lips.
I thought it was very interesting...
How many times a day do you use that line? And why should anyone give a shit? Get your own fucking blog for Xsake. Or go see a pshrink...
So, then the question becomes: How do we rid ourselves of the Donna Braziles and the rest like her?
Honestly, people here are passionate. With respect their passion could turn the tide. And what do we get? More fucking bullshit.
It is time for change. I thought Dr Dean was gonna change things . . . .
About tweety - Nah, I'M gonna make my pitch again: If we made the concerted efforts that we have made on the WP's ombudsmen's comments or Kauric lies on Abramoff to go after the WP & CNN we could get them to become more liberal or financially fail.
Why would a concerted effort succeed? Because the Post is dependent on a liberal readership (the DC metropolitan area readers) & CNN, which is domestically failing, is desperately trying to increase viewers by going right to get FOX's audience.
THAT IS ALL. YOU MAY RETURN TO YOUR REGULAR VIEWING PROGRAM.
They can go post a diary at kos or mydd or booman and get an audience right away.
Atrios
Not that I expect to become a famous blogger, because that clearly isn't my bent (I'm more into poetry, cooking, and gardening ~ mundane to a lot of folks), but that's what I did to test the waters. I started posting diaries at Daily Kos. In total, I probably did less than a dozen.
I even had a couple get recommended.
eef joo call someone a c_nt, and joo mean eet as an eensult,
that means joo theenk that c_nts are bad theengs, no?
So, therefore joo must like cocks eenstead.
So, bdg just likes cocks, eh?
Excellent logic, feline!
bdg's crimes have nothing to do with how stoopid or insulting or disagreeable he is.
there is a wall between the internet community and the real world. it is not to be crossed except by invitation.
now, sane fake lib, you are welcome to right click my email, look up my domain, find out where i am and come visit in peson to "discuss" this. i post the info, you can take it as an invitation.
but other people do not publish personal info, and when someone discovers it and harrasses them in the real world, that is a crime. a CRIME. prosecutable. and it should be reported.
simple as that.
i don't expect to be a famous blogger, but my blog is a little piece of me on the internet.
People don't even have to "start their own fucking blog" which may or may not be read. They can go post a diary at kos or mydd or booman and get an audience right away.
Atrios
Dammit! NOW he tells me!
sammy boy thinks it's OK to shoot an 8th grader in the back...climbing a fence with 10 bucks in a purse he just stolt..don't want him to git away. KILL HIM.
georgie boy likes both torturing and killing. WAY TOO MUCH.
THE CHICKENS WILL COME HOME TO ROOST...on these guys.
...killin is bad karma...and...it might just spring back on you like a smart missle boomerang.
sez so in the bible:
HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD DIES BY THE SWORD.
i don't know why i started blogging.
i mean i read lots of blogs that my brother recommened to me (Eschaton was one of them).
i guess i just wanted to have my own space on the internet as such.
who knows.
i don't expect to be a famous blogger, but my blog is a little piece of me on the internet.
I do!
Here is my nefarious plan:
1) start blog (check!)
2) post plushy pictures (check!)
3) profit! (surely any day now. )
People don't even have to "start their own fucking blog" which may or may not be read.
i just post here. it's enough for me.
plus i have no interest in flirting at kos. the best liberal ladies are here.
As others have already stated so well: Anyone with the words "Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign" next to their name really needs a nice warm glass of shut-the-fuck-up.
ah, i love that black cat.
which is not to say i don't think John Kerry Kicks Ass!!!
sorry, i am very impressed he's leading this attempt at a fillibuster. even if it doesn't work.
be for real john, i know it's in your bones. it's in mine.
Dammit! NOW he tells me!
Grrrrr. 
¡El Gato Negro!, I have some fresh tuna that I would like to give you as a treat.
I coulda been a contender! I coulda been somebody!
Oh, well. Obscurity is nice. It's cool and dark and fairly comfortable. And nobody bothers you.
Much.
bdg is a man, because it was a male voice on the phone when he called.
Vicki - 7:02 pm
the voice is 'male,' but that's no man...
not that i'm tellin YOU anything about knowing men
i don't expect to be a famous blogger, but my blog is a little piece of me on the internet.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre
Yes, it is, moonbootica! It's lovely.
Another thing, too...why I have a pic of me on my blog? For so long, trolls'd come in here and call me (and other woman here, too) fat and ugly and all of that. And while I may be a bit curvaceous with a few extra pounds, I'm not ugly, so I wanted to put that out there to dis-spell the myth that we're all fat, ugly seahags who look like Alice the Gooch, picking our noses behind the wall of a monitor and cyberspace.
Fucking awesome. But the real question is, will everyone ever stop laughing at Deborah Howell?
Back on topic, take this quote:
"The bloggers and online donors represent an important resource for the party, but they are not representative of the majority you need to win elections," said Steve Elmendorf, a Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. "The trick will be to harness their energy and their money without looking like you are a captive of the activist left."
Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
You want my money? better plan to step up to the plate, motherfucker.
"eef joo call someone a c_nt, and joo mean eet as an eensult"
Dumb question Gato, when is it not an insult?
Moonbootica: i don't know why i started blogging.
It's a great place to put all your cat pix, for one thing.
.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 7:14 pm | #
vicki, you are beautiful. not just because you are fun to talk to - i mean physically.
trolls have no taste. they are trolls.
i don't know why i started blogging.
I do:
"Goddammit rorschach, quit bitching about the news all the time to me! Get a blog!
Love,
Miriam"
i also like to pimp the Mutualist position too
hence Kevin Carson links.
But the real question is, will everyone ever stop laughing at Deborah Howell?
Yes. And they should.
The smart thing to do is educate her and get her on our side. She's not a winger. She's just old school.
But she's not stupid, she can learn.
Do they have an award for Best Commentor on a Blog?
They should.
But the real question is, will everyone ever stop laughing at Deborah Howell?
sure. when everyone around here stops talking about her, i will forget who she is.
Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
You want my money? better plan to step up to the plate, motherfucker.
four legs good
That's exactly what I thought when I read his comment. Come on...you want us to do the grassroots work while you divert the money to the DLC?
Not gonna happen.
word on that four legs good.
jebus christ on christmas. they want my money but want to "pretend" about it? WTF!
I'm not ugly, so I wanted to put that out there to dis-spell the myth that we're all fat, ugly seahags who look like Alice the Gooch, picking our noses behind the wall of a monitor and cyberspace.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
(I cling to that belief.)
Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
do you mock me, sir?
you mock me!
i will not be MOCKED!
stanley kubrick was a prophet with 2001 A Space Odessey...
but...also with...
A Clockwork Orange
This activist left crap is bullshit.
I am a moderate dem.
The guy has harrassed Atrios commenters.
What exactly did he do? Curse at you?
Phoned people at home and at work, calling them and their spouses/SOs 'cunts' and other lovely things.
The reason trolls attack the women posters is because they're misogyst fucks.
End of story.
Like wÒÓ† says, they will never know the taste of poontang.
vicki, you are beautiful. not just because you are fun to talk to - i mean physically.
[blushes, profusely.]
Thanks, Dirk. I wasn't fishing for a compliment, though. I just wanted to put it out there as something real to refute the fucking insults we seem to have tossed at us day in and day out here.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
beauty is skin deep.
ugly can only come from the inside.
so don't fret it.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
Us menfolk are safe, regardless!
When it comes to romance, women prefer someone who tickles their funny bone while men opt for those who catch their eye, according to an international survey released on Wednesday.
"Does he even have a clue how fucking insulting that is?
You want my money? better plan to step up to the plate, motherfucker."
--four legs good
I do wonder how many "progressives" or "left of center" there are out here. Seems like quite a lot to me.
Come on...you want us to do the grassroots work while you divert the money to the DLC?
Not gonna happen.
Vicki - 7:17 pm
word x squared, sweetheart
Q.E.D. (as Res Ipsa would surely say, were she here.)
so.
¡El Gato Negro!
She is here.
And yes, she would say, "Q.E.D."
Eef so, we must disabuse them of thees notion, no?
Si.
The smart thing to do is educate her and get her on our side. She's not a winger. She's just old school.
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
ugly can only come from the inside.
And it goes all the way to the bone.
I wasn't fishing for a compliment
oh, i know. and it wasn't so much a compliment a just a statement.
(besides, you berated me for not flirting the other day )
Why bother with civil discourse? I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
It’s astounding that you guys just don’t get it.
c'mon folks...the only ugly here are the hateful trolls.
beauty comes from inside. you all know that because you're all intelligent.
don't want to hear any more self-deprecating remarks about how ugly you think yourself to be.
i have eyes and i see.
that's why i'm "her eyes."
I spent part of today traipsing around lower Manhattan w/Eli and the Kenosha Kid.
We lunched with the Gummos (Mr. & Mrs.).
Lovely day.
(besides, you berated me for not flirting the other day )
NO FLIRTING!
When it comes to romance, women prefer someone who tickles their funny bone while men opt for those who catch their eye, according to an international survey released on Wednesday.
sure, that's what they SAY.
but i know some standup comics who would disagree.
NO FLIRTING!
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
thers?
"I am a moderate dem."
--pie
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
Molly is in a class by herself.
Listen, I know Deborah, she fucked up, but she's not the monster or the paid rethug operative some would like to say she is.
I'm not saying let her off the hook, I'm saying bring her into the gentle light of reality.
3) profit! (surely any day now. )
four legs good
my daughter introduced me to some art directors blog who has, you guessed it a page full of cats. logicalcreativity.com/jon/plush/01.html
tho i doubt he's making a killing.
People who criticize what we choose to write about: fuck off. I write about what I'm interested in writing about, not what you think is important.
Atrios
What, no biofuels?
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Why bother with civil discourse? I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
Tell me the difference between:
"Nobody knew the levees would break"
and
"There was a fucking study done that the goddamned levees would break"
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
(I cling to that belief.)
four legs good
Well, it's difficult for me to *see* ugly in people I like and respect. I could go into it in more detail here, but I won't because I don't want to get into a psychological discussion that is completely off topic. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I already know I'd find you to be lovely.
Unfortunately, smart and talented is not something that the trolls can understand, because it's not tangible to their limited minds.
NO FLIRTING!
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
thers?
I would never flirt with him. Or his wife, because he would kill me.
Why bother with civil discourse? I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
It’s astounding that you guys just don’t get it.
It's astounding that you don't understand that "civil discourse" has gotten us no where.
It's time to be the collective squeaky wheel.
Well, some of us are ugly, but that doesn't mean we're not smart and talented.
(I cling to that belief.)
four legs good
Okay. I've never seen a photo of you 4lg, but from reading your posts over the many, many months, this is my mental picture of you:
You're about 5'4", 120 lbs. brown hair, hazel eyes, you have a dazzling smile and an athletic body.
You're empathetic, smart, and are always ready with the perfect bon mot to disarm any pretentious toss pot who dared to cross you.
And if we were girlfriends, we'd get together once a week, drink some wine and have a hell of a time laughing about the pathetic sham that is the Bush administration.
just my thoughts.
I'm not saying let her off the hook, I'm saying bring her into the gentle light of reality.
four legs good
more gentle light of reality, please.
I really hate seeing Dems move away from their base. It's especially bad considering that the GOP is embracing a base that gives themselves moral permission to lie, cheat and steal in order to win.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I already know I'd find you to be lovely.
You're just saying that cause you like plush.
Evenin bats
Vicki if you're still here I sent you an email
when the Labour Party confrenece comes around at Brighton, its amazing the Number of corporate sponsers there are.
AAAAAAAAAAAAA!
THE GENTLE LIGHT OF REALITY!
IT BURNS MY ONIONPAPERY SKIN!
[/deborah howell voices]
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
kei & yuri - 7:21 pm
"Martini-Caste haughtiness."
yall got a nice turn of phrase...
Okay. I've never seen a photo of you 4lg, but from reading your posts over the many, many months, this is my mental picture of you:
You're about 5'4", 120 lbs. brown hair, hazel eyes, you have a dazzling smile and an athletic body.
Now, isn't that funny?
I would never flirt with him. Or his wife, because he would kill me.
i'm not afraid of thers. well, to be more specific i'm not afraid of being killed.
can i flirt with molly ivins? i love her.
"There was a fucking study done that the goddamned levees would break"
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
Hurricanes determined to strike in Louisiana
-
Listen, I know Deborah,
Excellent. You can help us set up the "water balloon intervention" we're planning...
This activist left crap is bullshit.
I am a moderate dem.
pie
Economically, I am a socialist.
Culturally or socially, I am much closer to the center.
i know i'll never be 'beautiful' but i just deal and move on.
i'm happy with who i am and what I do.
more gentle light of reality, please.
charley | 01.28.06 - 7:25 pm | #
can we use the strobe?
I wonder just how much this disjunct between the 'trained professionals' who get paid for journalisming and we mere amateurs has to do with class structure - and how much has to do with the elements of electronic conveyance of information. I know, that as GWPDA of GWPDA.org, the first few years that I ran a perfectly valid, history site - both as a Listproc and as an archive, the reaction from those being paid to history was wildly out of kilter with reality. It was hostile, it was vicious and it sought to be patronising - except that my qualifications were so blessedly authentic that one didn't quite work.
And then, magically, once the grants started being produced and the internal mechanisms which recognised that the medium was irrelevant kicked in, there was this whole train of former antagonists trotting along behind.
If what we're facing is indeed less a paradigmatic shift in the power structure expressed thru the changed media, then none of us need to worry too much. I don't know, I really don't. We're living in real time here and there just isn't a great deal from which we can draw conclusions and illustrations.
four legs,
listen to me.
what you look like doesn't matter. it's what's inside that counts. you are a caring, thoughtful, quick-witted person who has an interesting perspective and a lovely turn of phrase. "for fuck's sake" happens to be my personal favorite.
in my eyes, you are beautiful.
believe it.
Just went back to read the comments, very cool, first time I think I've seen Atrios on a non-Eschaton blog. As someone (probably someone present) said when Kos posted here once, it's like that Friends episode where the ER doctors were on. Or, I suppose it was, cause I never saw it, and didn't watch either show regularly, and yet it still made sense, unlike this comment.
Nations back elephant action plan
All nations with wild populations of Asian elephants have met as a group for the first time to discuss the species' future survival.
The aim of the meeting in Kuala Lumpur was to reach a consensus on the best way to tackle threats facing the continent's largest mammal.
Delegates agreed that transboundary cooperation was necessary to protect the creatures' dwindling habitat.
Scout,
Got your mail!
Sounds good!
You're an hour behind me, so that works out great!
Molly Ivins is neither winger nor new school, and yet we cannot imagine her responding with the same Martini Caste haughtiness.
kei & yuri
Oh, Molly's Longneck Caste all the way...
Vicki...cool
sdf (Stu)
That made perfect sense.
omigod. It's been, what, over a week? And "atrios" is STILL smarting over being caught out for sending his drooling minions over to smash up the WaPo site.
Give it up, man, it's not working.
Oh ever now an' then I gets to thinking 'bout how much fun it'd be to round up the wingnuts and gives 'em a taste o' their own lash --no dah meen? But, then the moment passes. I used to be -- mind you note that's used to be one of them that called for civility in all things so that we not become like they are. Said so my very first comment on Eschaton back in '03 afore the grand adventure got really rollin'. No more, says I, no more a beggin the bastards what have gone and sullied our country's fine name for a moment's peace to repond to the string a lies they been spreadin'. But I'll not be talkin' of keel-hauling, oh no, see, when they done burned up the gas, we're goin' to need some folk to man the oars.
If what we're facing is indeed less a paradigmatic shift in the power structure expressed thru the changed media, then none of us need to worry too much. I don't know, I really don't. We're living in real time here and there just isn't a great deal from which we can draw conclusions and illustrations.
That's an excellent point.
With Howell I think we've got her attention, let's use it to good purpose. Show her why we're angry.
It may be that once she figures it out she'll be angry too.
That made perfect sense.
ShawKenawe,uselessmalingerer
maybe.
but "the five doctors" was confusing.
That made perfect sense.
ShawKenawe,uselessmalingerer
maybe.
but "the five doctors" was confusing.
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
No, raving is not what you want to be.
Settle yourself. We have this if we can keep the right focus.
the repubs trick the fundies into voting for them.
the dems trick progressives into sending money.
in the end, only the corporationns win.
hat,
oh yes it is.
I am a Mutualist
i know i'll never be 'beautiful' but i just deal and move on.
Moon, you are beautiful.
You know who wasn't beautiful, in my mind's eye? In fact, outright ugly?
That woman at the RNC Convention with the purple bandaid on her face.
Katherine Harris, when she stood firm on not letting every vote be counted.
Jean Schmidt, when she trashed liberals, ineloquently, I might add.
what you look like doesn't matter. it's what's inside that counts. you are a caring, thoughtful, quick-witted person who has an interesting perspective and a lovely turn of phrase. "for fuck's sake" happens to be my personal favorite.
in my eyes, you are beautiful.
Awwww, now I'm blushing.
can i flirt with molly ivins? i love her.
dirk gently, of course
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
Thanks, Shaw ....
hat, not working?
Of course it is, else you wouldn't be here.
Geez.
Hey, what's new in your world?
The dispute is not over pushing the party more to the left; it is over how hard Democrats should fight for their core principles.
Why do politicians and the traditional media have such a hard time understanding this. To them, there is some kind of automatic assumption that the more partisan you are, the more extreme your ideological views.
They constantly conflate the two when it comes to Democrats: anyone who wants to fight hard for their ideals is an "extreme liberal" even if their ideology is fairly moderate. See coverage of Dean campaign for one example of this.
To these people, Atrios, Billmon, Digby, DeLong, Kos etc. are flaming extremists because they believe Democrats should fight harder for their core policy principles. It doesn't matter at all that their policy views are closer to the DLC of the late 1980s than to those of the traditional left.
OT, but for those who need a plushyfix, it's now available.
Hey Matt Drudge (aka hat), go back to your so called *news site* and post some more erroneous lies about Democrats having affairs, or whatever it is that you consider newsworthy.
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
Next time I see her I'll ask.
It wouldn't surprise me if she did.
I read this, and it was dead on.
It is a problem of corruption, the refusal of people to admit they've been wrong, the willingness to lie, and the lack of character to call out the liars.
I needs me some flirtin'
On the Timmeh show, CNBC, Fred Scumbag Barnes says Abu Ghraib was the National Guard "on a lark".
Timmeh said the thing about Raygun was that he fired the air traffic controllers and lo and behold - the national airpirt gets named after him, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA".
Their depravity is without limit.
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We're living in real time here and there just isn't a great deal from which we can draw conclusions and illustrations.
I love this, m'lady. Like having a multitude of instantaneous/ real time pen pals. The exchange of ideas and information via the internets is a step change in the annals of communication.
Cool beans.
sdf, I've seen many "famous" bloggers post on other sites than their own. I always like it, makes me think they are more into the dialogue than being up on the mountain top.
I needs me some flirtin'
rorschach
Come over here and sit by me, sweet boy. I'll read you Shakespeare, with passion.
I DO NOT know what to make of this. It appears to be Bacon En Croute. Sort of. Not awful. Just....
Jolly Boys
Serves 4
150ml (¼ pint) Milk
8 Rashers Bacon
2 tbsp Plain Flour
1-2 tsp Butter or Lard
1 Egg
Salt - pinch
Whisk the milk. flour, egg a pinch of salt together, to produce a batter the thickness of double cream.
Allow to stand for 15-25 minutes.
Fry the bacon in butter or lard in a frying pan, remove and keep warm.
Increase the heat, add a tablespoon of batter.
Baste with hot fat as when frying an egg.
Serve immediately with the bacon.
Hey Matt Drudge (aka hat), go back to your so called *news site* and post some more erroneous lies about Democrats having affairs, or whatever it is that you consider newsworthy.
Matt's in on a Saturday night in DC?
Oh, wait. It's early. More action much later.
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
Doozer | Email | 01.28.06 - 7:33 pm | #
i hope so.
i love her.
Egypt Brotherhood MPs stage protest
Opposition Islamist lawmakers have walked out of Egypt's parliament to protest against the expulsion of a fellow MP who had criticised the government for letting a French warship through the Suez Canal.
The Muslim Brotherhood said on its web site that parliament speaker Fathi Sorour had expelled Mustafa Mohamed Mustafa on Saturday "to deny the Muslim Brotherhood MPs the chance to reveal new scandals of the Egyptian government in the matter of the French ship Clemenceau".
The Clemenceau is a 27,000-tonne aircraft carrier which is heading to India to be scrapped.
I needs me some flirtin'
rorschach | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 7:35 pm | #
[bats eyelashes]
Cool beans.
You sound like my husband. He says that.
Heh indeed Vicki.
I needs me some flirtin'
rorschach
Hey, big guy, come here and lets get inky.
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
You see, this is where the confusion starts. There are few real liberals here, most of you are nothing more than partisan Democrats.
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
Listen, I know Deborah,
Biblically?
I needs me some flirtin'
Hey, Rory, whatcha doin' aftah? I'm, uh...available...
What would Thers say about all this flirtin?
GWPDA:
there's a lot of former and current journalists, pundits, scholars, authors, novelists, memoirists, critics, philosophers, and other dilettantes posting here.
journalism is not rocket science. there's no 'science' to it...it's a lot inferrence, and experience, and interpretive competence...
how to ask the correct questions, is the main thing...
the 'journos' who disparage bloggers are gonna be the ones who depend on their 'professional identification' for a vital, but missing nonetheless, part of their lifeworld's persona...
and resent their constraints like dogs in the yard resent the dogs on the street...
.
rory, for you:
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
i'm tired of being categorized.
i'm tired of being thought of as "extreme" when i want all that is decent and good.
what is so extreme about wanting the truth from our elected (cough* cough*) officials? what's so extreme about decent affordable healthcare, decent affordable housing, and a living wage? what is so radical about an unbiased media?
if this is the extreme liberal left, then count me in. screw this "middle of the road" shit. no more.
Awwww, now I'm blushing.
four legs good
you are so cute when you blush
Dirk!
The professional journalists are used to the Democrats acting nice and being steamrolled by the Republicans. It's been pretty much like that in Congress since 1994. Occasionally, the Democrats make some noise about resisting, but then roll over when the critical moment comes. They've seen it before, and don't believe this time is any different.
But the journalists aren't in touch with the groundswell of new activism that is behind this action. A lot of it is the blogs and netroots, but a lot of it is that people are just fed up and angry at all the crap the Republicans and Bush have crammed down our throats.
I think this time is different. Even if they fail, it will be a positive accomplishment if our Senators stand up against the bullying. Resistance will further energize the base and lead to further action and winning more elections.
"I am a moderate dem."
--pie
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
mer
Only because the politics in this country has been shoved to the right. I don't think the public is right wing, I do think they believe what the media (paid off or not) tell them.
You sound like my husband. He says that.
Obviously, a clever and talented individual.
Someone from Venzuela visited my little nothing blog. It made me feel special. I need to start drinking now.
Hey, Rory, whatcha doin' aftah? I'm, uh...available...
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
thought you didn't swing that way?
heh i'm British and total loony leftist and damm well fucking proud of it!
Houdy Pardnars
Hey, Rory, whatcha doin' aftah? I'm, uh...available...
NTodd,
Aw yeah, baby. I'll bring you over to the dark side.
It wouldn't surprise me if she did.
four legs good
clearly, they all read the blogs.
at first i thought it silly myself.
but journalists, entertainers (sadly not much diff. here) all read the blogs.
it's become part of the american lexicon. and encouragingly it is our chance to say NO, i reject this asshattery.
You see, this is where the confusion starts. There are few real liberals here,
WTF does that even mean?
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
If most of the visitors are comfortable with whatever it is, who gives a shit what the front page says? Just go blow simels, would you? There's a dear.
hi, shaw! *big goofy grin*
i have to look at the stars for a minute.
i'll be right back.
too few politicans these days are willing to take a firm stand.
most of the time they are whishy washy and obessed with capturing the mythical centre ground.
where did principles go?
mer, I like it too ("famous" bloggers posting on other blogs), for exactly the reasons you say.
Ever wonder if Molly reads the blogs? And the comment sections?
My daughters and I exchange her columns. It's always a race who can email it first.
Love her.
heh also i've never voted Democract due to the little fact i'm not American.....
thought you didn't swing that way?
Eh, I'm bored with the whole "living alone with a dog and cat" thing.
Aw yeah, baby. I'll bring you over to the dark side.
When you're bi, which is the dark side? The one that makes soup?
You see, this is where the confusion starts. There are few real liberals here, most of you are nothing more than partisan Democrats.
heh. What a fecking maroon.
Pelagic doesn't apply to your simple ass at all.
Try Cesspool. That fits better.
don't judge a book by its cover
clichéd I know!
Only because the politics in this country has been shoved to the right.
I heard something today on "What Do You Know?" with Michael Feldman, on NPR.
Some guy was talking about the perfect average American, and located him in a town out East.
There are several million more registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but Democrats are more willing to cross party lines and vote for the *best* candidate, where Republicans tend to vote like lemmings.
This was but one of umpteen interesting statistics the guy Michael had on his show was flogging.
Sorry I can't remember his name, nor the name of his book.
Dammit. It'll be on again tomorrow. I'll listen for it, if I get the chance.
Moonbootica darling, if you'd like to be, I can always adopt you. If your Mummy and Dad say it's okay of course.
real liberals
Where does one go to take the real liberal test? Can you do it online now? My certification is about to expire, and I'm a bit concerned.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
Pelagic - 7:38 pm
should the proprietor ever wish to drive me away, all that would be needed would be that such become the stated purpose of this blog...
yes the rethugs do need the court.
They MUST have the court.
they are being challenged on thier lies and corruption and the ONLY way they can win in the long run is with court victories.
CTheGee
Even if they take the court, they shall not take our spirits or our guns.
Where does one go to take the real liberal test?
If you don't know, we can't tell you. We can't show you the secret handshake, either. Sorry. The bilaws are quite strict.
Hey, GWPDA, I've got a campus visit or two coming up, wish me luck (campus visits, at least don't make me as ill as the AHA itself does) ... I may not have to change professions at age 35 after all ...
Eh, I'm bored with the whole "living alone with a dog and cat" thing.
already? man, you are easy!
dark side
it's dark? i always imagined it would be bright and shiney over there. lots of pastels, too. hell, if it's going to be dark i'm not even going to bother.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Atrios
Why yes. You'll find it here.
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/vup/pasty/...sty/
recipes.htm
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Atrios
In Oz.
Obviously, a clever and talented individual.
Get over here. NOW!
GWPDA, i'm sure they would be ok.
the Ancient Romans were known for adopting non-blood relatives into their family.
take Scipio Aemilianus for example.
he was the son of Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus, conquerer of Macedonia but was adopted by Publius Cornelius Scipio, the eldest son of the great Scipio Africanus.
Hi dirk, you gentle beautiful pervert.
I'm getting ready to go out to dinner. I'm spongein...er visiting friends in Boca Raton Fla. Weather's not so great. I've got a sweater and thong on. I'm chilly.
Doozer's Rules of Communication With Wingies;
Speak their language
Don't shout
Don't cuss
Don't call names
I mean, you wanna be understood, or you just wanna make noise? Doing it this way, I think I've almost managed to convince a winger buddy of mine that there is no freaking Liberal Media. (Partly by admitting that there used to be, which kinda shocked him). If all you want to do is fight, hey, whatyever floats yer boat, but you won't change anyone's mind about anything. Quite the opposite, actually...
Hey, GWPDA, I've got a campus visit or two coming up, wish me luck (campus visits, at least don't make me as ill as the AHA itself does) ..
Mazel tov! You should live and be well!
Wow, I get to say this for the first and undoubtedly only time in my life:
Jinx, Atrios.
don't judge a book by its cover
shoot. i just assumed you were a sweet, attractive, fun loving young woman. now i have to read something? that's way too much work.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Well, okay, since the big guy asked...
(sorry sdf)
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
I think it's in Ralph Nader's file cabinet. But the boys of Iota Kappa Lambda have a copy at the frat house.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Liberal died out like the dinosaurs in the late 70's.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again.
I am not a Democrat. I am a progressive liberal, and I swing socialist.
Having said that, I'll vote for Democrats.
Especially Al Gore.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
Mars, bitches.
Thanks, GWPDA
When you're bi, which is the dark side? The one that makes soup?
NTodd,
That's the beauty of it.
It depends on your mood.
I've got a sweater and thong on. I'm chilly.
i was chilly, but now i am inexplicably warm.
bdg's ip address is
69.197.2.122
Atrios
In or near Collingwood, ON.
man, you are easy!
I thought everybody already knew that.
can someone tell me where the real liberal purity test is?
wearing suspenders and a bra?
AAAAAAAAAAAAA!
THE GENTLE LIGHT OF REALITY!
IT BURNS MY ONIONPAPERY SKIN!
[/deborah howell voices]
that was so streetcar named desire.
guess i have to go take ntodd's purity test. shouldn't take long.
wearing suspenders and a bra?
Moonbootica, Die Walküre |
that's the lumberjack test.
Obviously, a clever and talented individual.
Get over here. NOW!
pie
XXX
(don't tell the old man, sweetheart)
Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus
Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus (229 BC-160 BC) was a Roman general and politician. His father was Lucius Aemilius Paullus, the consul defeated and killed in the battle of Cannae. Lucius Aemilius was, in his time, the head of his branch of the Aemilii Paullii, an old and aristocratic patrician family. Their influence was immense, particularly due to their fortune and alliance with the Cornelii Scipiones.
My suspicion is that most people here are not very ideological and only became very partisan in the last decade or so.
Especially Al Gore.
Let's save our money.
And the dems better do something to get closer in November.
and resent their constraints like dogs in the yard resent the dogs on the street...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
amen to the dogs in the street.
if you're gonna be dog run in the streets.
i don't give a fly'n fuck for yer pedigree.
rory,
Did you not like the Sonnet 116?
I read it in my best Globe Theatre voice.
GWPDA, i'm sure they would be ok.
the Ancient Romans were known for adopting non-blood relatives into their family.
Yes, early adopters they were. We may have to confer with Quilt Lady tho. Seems to me I've already adopted her. Seeing as that I'm nearly 104 years old here.
Damn I wish I were at the Royal Sportsman Hotel in Portmeirion.
Ah well.
(sorry sdf)
eh, k chertu with you ...
Especially Al Gore.
Let's save our money.
pie, do you like Al Gore? I do, but I know you know that.
I, for one, welcome our new barbarian overlords.
was it only a few months ago that The Schrub had delusions of geeting his dirty little hands on Social Security $$$$$$$...alot of it...and tossing it to his corporate whore friends?
the times they are a changin
now he whines for sammy boy on his weekly radio address...i guess sammy boy is in the SOTU address or sumthin.
well Georgie Boy...hold onto your balls...
let's not IMPEACH BUSH...
NEUTER HIM
and resent their constraints like dogs in the yard resent the dogs on the street...
Ain't nobody wants to be no yard dog.
rory,
Did you not like the Sonnet 116?
It was fantabulous, darling!
wearing suspenders and a bra?
British Columbia, moving from tree to tree?
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g'night batties!
keep up the fight! never give up! be shrill! demand truth! praise backbone!
keep our country alive and well for who it belongs to! US!
It was fantabulous, darling!
rorschach
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
who's wearing suspenders and a bra?
Arin info on pdg's Ip address, that is.
gore/feinstein is my prediction.
i don't think it was coincidence that she was in audience during his speech.
although my heart of hearts would prefer gore/dean.
Shall we tell them he's been up to no good?
spoken well charley...
as you once were,
The Angriest Dog In The World
who's wearing suspenders and a bra?
Cross-dressin' Larry King!
Jesus' General combines shrill and scary vagina
There's no 'word' for my politics in the US political lexicon
social democrat, in the european sense, comes closest...
i would join a party led by Gore Vidal, whatever it were called...
.
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
Vicki, please stop.
I've been salivating over your backside ever since you told that troll a week or so ago to lick your ass.
GWPDA, Why would anyone ever need to "fry the bacon in butter or lard?"
Bacon makes its own lard, or bacon grease.
My suspicion is that most people here are not very ideological and only became very partisan in the last decade or so.
Baloney.
It's not partisan. My republican friends are embarrassed. Bush is horrible. The only ones keeping him somewhat alive are the media.
This is way past partisan. This is a sitting (republican) president breaking the law with the full approval of a republican-controlled Congress.
Whatevah.
more gentle light of reality, please.
charley | 01.28.06 - 7:25 pm | #
can we use the strobe?
dirk gently, of course
i only saw this because i was interested in GWPDA's comment.
or as they said in twinpeaks to the dying man. "look toward the light leland, look to the light."
hey, my opinion counts, 'specially if i have a pitchfork. didn't have to be this way, at this time in history is not the most healthy way to be, but i reject a duplicitous executive.
vote for me or you will die. fuck you! every one has to die.
I think I am up for mindless entertainment, tonight. Too bad there's so little available.
.
the best part about belonging to the Eschatonian family is that we talk dirty real nice to each other.
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
You know, he's married...
There's no 'word' for my politics in the US political lexicon
This is how I describe myself on my blog:
"An independent, non-violent, counter-dominant, left-liberal, possibly charismatic, not entirely insufferable, non-obnoxious, Tom Green-esque, quasi anarcho-libertarian Quaker"
Doesn't fit on a bumpersticker.
Billy B
Oy!
I'm sorry, I had no idea!
I'll behave.
Why would anyone ever need to "fry the bacon in butter or lard?"
A desire to commit a unique form of suicide through instant onset arterial sclerosis?
GWPDA, Why would anyone ever need to "fry the bacon in butter or lard?"
Bacon makes its own lard, or bacon grease.
mer
mer - THUS THE PROBLEM!
The receipt baffles me. It is redundant, repetitive and cumulative. I am so worried by it that I am going to go eat turnips.
i'd say i became political in 2003.
but i was certainly aware of politics before then, just took awhile to find my path.
after all i am only 20, i have my whole life ahead of me.
The Angriest Dog In The World
Funniest fucking comic. God, I love David Lynch.
Hey Bing...
beat your kids lately?
guess it's kinda hard to do when you're dead.
if papers/media today were as contentious and as partisan as they were in the the 1880s and '90s, there'd be no need for blogs...
just sayin...
Come here while I draw you a bath, and lick your lovely toes.
Vicki
Oh my goodness!
The receipt baffles me. It is redundant, repetitive and cumulative. I am so worried by it that I am going to go eat turnips.
It seemed to be a recipe for someone who wanted bacon and eggs but only had one egg. Eggs are cheap, why not just run to the grocery store to pick up a doz?
So, I'm outie, for nowie...
♥
woody, you're older than i thought.
Mutualism is also not easy to put into boxes either.
my brother told me after reading Ken Macleod he got out of the statist trap.
Yeah NTodd...
and when the chain broke...
he daid.
This is way past partisan. This is a sitting (republican) president breaking the law with the full approval of a republican-controlled Congress.
Whatevah.
pie
Ayup!
And (by way of a blogwhore) the whole damned world has noticed,
Bacon makes its own lard, or bacon grease.
The secret ingredient.
Bacon grease makes a very tasty salad dressing.
Goes very nicely in any salad/sauce/etc.
Anything with vinegar in it...
I'll behave.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 7:57 pm | #
don't you dare!
"heh also i've never voted Democract due to the little fact i'm not American.....
Moonbootica"
I just can't tolerate people who have to come up with some excuse for not voting. One little technicality and you refrain from doing your civic duty. Jeez.
Wrapped in plastic...
as you once were,
The Angriest Dog In The World
Troublemaker
oh trust me Troublemaker i have become re-angrified.
bush has radicalized a whole bunch of motherfockers. some of 'em even want kill us. can't say i blame 'em.
Okay, I'm off to draw Rorschach's bath.
(Actually, I'm heading down to Salvatores for a little while. I want to see my daughter and talk politics with some friends. I'll be back before too long. My love to all!)
my brother told me after reading Ken Macleod he got out of the statist trap.
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
It seemed to be a recipe for someone who wanted bacon and eggs but only had one egg. Eggs are cheap, why not just run to the grocery store to pick up a doz?
doug |
AND WHERE ARE THE GREEN CHILES? I'm so baffled by this, it's making me cry.
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:01 pm | #
i prefer to think of it as tribalism.
but i'm a socialist.
AND WHERE ARE THE GREEN CHILES? I'm so baffled by this, it's making me cry.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
i thought it was onions that made you cry.
i thought it was onions that made you cry.
No, I use Grand Canyon sweet onions and there's no sulphur.
It's conundrums!
heh i'm British and total loony leftist and damm well fucking proud of it!
Hear, hear! (Here, here?) There are days that I wanna sell everything I own, and move to Cardiff..
I always thought I was. Now I would be classified as a raving leftist.
mer
depends who you're talking to. The concept of "local vertical" has a political dimension, too. A stone rightwinger sees his political philosophy as dead center, right where it oughtta be, and can call a moderate Republican a raving Commie with a straight face. I style myself a Progressive with a Libertarian streak, on even numbered days, and I have a Conservative friend--very good friend, too--that thinks I'm an ultraLiberal. Political Relativity. What would Albert make of it?
Watching a documentary about Haskell Wexler (made by his son). What an S.O.B. this old man is.
Conundrums and the fact that a week and a bit from now a 25year old is going to assault my living gum and make me only able to eat jellied consumme for seveal weeks.
WHERE ARE THE GREEN CHILES? I'm so baffled by this, it's making me cry.
That recipe is so messed up that even green chili peppers can't fix it.
Arin info on bdg's Ip address, that is.
blerb
The only thing you need from that is the abuse address.
However, Rogers can only deal with violations of their terms of service . Page 2 - "harass".
However, if you have the originating number of the phone call, you can also file a complaint with Bell Canada, or with the police.
Collingwood would be a 705 area code.
make me only able to eat jellied consumme for seveal weeks.
Smoothies will save your life if you're forced to live off of a liquid diet.
There's no 'word' for my politics in the US political lexicon
i would call myself socially progressive and fiscally pragmatic.
a socialigramitcon?
a pragmunist?
a naive fool?
rorschach who ♥ blerb
Huh? What did I do now?
That recipe is so messed up that even green chili peppers can't fix it.
doug
Doug, you're coming down here, eh? You must learn to spell chile properly.
AND THEN ADD THEM TO EVERYTHING.
No, I use Grand Canyon sweet onions and there's no sulphur.
georgia is of course the home of vidalia onions. billed as onions so sweet you can eat them like apples.
dammit, if i wanted an apple that's what i would have bought! i want it to taste oniony!
The Early Days of a Better Nation
I got half way down on the liberal test and then quit. I don't trust my govt. anymore.
I would have loved to see the results though.
If anyone wonders or cares, I am a democratic socialist in the continental European mold.
I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
Well, that seems to work for the GOP.
Doug, you're coming down here, eh? You must learn to spell chile properly.
AND THEN ADD THEM TO EVERYTHING.
Chiles are delicious.
I heartily agree. They should be in everything.
"A free society cannot be the substitution of a 'new order' for the old order; it is the extension of spheres of free action until they make up most of the social life."
Paul Goodman
If I get tired of Atrios blogging about bloggers, then I go do something else for a while. When I check back in in an hour or two or three, there's usually a new topic.
Funny how these blog thingies work....
I mean really, name calling, throwing labels, and spouting unsupported opinions in so much more constructive than logical, civil debate.
They are immune to logic and facts.
if papers/media today were as contentious and as partisan as they were in the the 1880s and '90s, there'd be no need for blogs...
just sayin...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
People tend to forget that, assuming they ever knew it. Want some interesting reading? Go down to a good liberry and look at reproductions of the papers of the 19th Century. Look at the ads, too. Journalism today, for all it's faults, puts a lot of the older stuff to shame. Back then they didn't know how to spell "journalistic impartiality", and nobody much cared. And those ads...
i prefer to think of it as tribalism.
but i'm a socialist.
dirk gently
Well, I'd say statism is not quite the opposite of tribalism.
It depends on your understandng of "tribalism" and "atate".
Anyone up for semantics?
and spouting unsupported opinions
how about sprouting unsulferred onions?
you're coming down here, eh? You must learn to spell chile properly.
AND THEN ADD THEM TO EVERYTHING.
GWPDA, I can't spell chile/chili peppers correctly, but I already do add them and other vegi's to everything. I just ate stir fry again, with noodles, bok-choy, green chiles, lean pork, sweet red peppers, bean sprouts (add them last, along with the broccoli, arugula, and cauliflower).
This site would better serve its visitors if it would state up-front (a la Kos) that "this is not a liberal blog", it a partisan Democratic Party blog... It would avoid much confusion in the future.
Why do you give a rat's fat ass what this site calls itself?
Get lost, punk.
beside being a mutualist, i am an anti-monarchist.
Eli had his avocado shake today, btw.
Land and Liberty - Putting people at the heart of economics
beside being a mutualist, i am an anti-monarchist.
Moonbootica
But you guys have such a cute monarchy.
woody, you're older than i thought.
jello - 7:59 pm
i am, in fact, 'older than Simels', if the truth were known...
.
Porcupine Blog - Larry Gambourne
unitary executive?
if there was any question
that republicans are pretty much all...
PSYCHIC VAMPIRES and POWER JUNKIES
...this is the tought form that settles that question.
Well, I'd say statism is not quite the opposite of tribalism.
oh, i didn't mean it as opposite. i meant it as a concentration.
the problem with statism compared to tribalism is that it is too big. tribal societies are necessarily more self nurturing - and self policing - because each individual has a greater effect on each other individual.
in larger states, that personal connection is lost, as is the sense of responsibility to members of the state further removed from the particular individual. which is the beginning of feudalism, oligarchys, the republican party, etc.
and why globalism sounds like a better idea than it might be.
GWPDA, I won't be down in the Tucson area till around June or July. Still healing from the operation, but doing pretty well, no inflamation or infection, and I'm only occasionaly taking the narcotics to help me sleep at night. (still have over half the bottle of them they gave me three weeks ago).
Eli had his avocado shake today, btw.
Still gross.
It depends on your understandng of "tribalism" and "atate".
atate is darrin's boss.
georgia is of course the home of vidalia onions. billed as onions so sweet you can eat them like apples.
Mmmm, I can already taste mom's homemade onion pie... with ice cream
This is way past partisan. This is a sitting (republican) president breaking the law with the full approval of a republican-controlled Congress.
I agree. My point was that for the most part, our activism has been motivated not by ideology but by the dumb, dishonest, incompetent, small-minded fuck-ups of Republican office-holders and their enablers in the media and in corporate offices.
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
Dead Men Left
Chicken Yoghurt
Bloggerheads
I must admit that I am very impressed with the level of intellegence and insight that appears in the "comment" section of Mydd with this article. Thank god I only post with the drooling minions here at Atriosor I'd quickly give up blogs and return to free girlie pixtures.
We are a mob. I'm a mobster, you're a mobster. I'll buy the next round for everyone and then lets go out and tag some walls and burns some cars like we're in Paris.
there were no chile peppers in my sushi tonight. wasabi suffices.
but there was ginger in my beer, and shortly there will be jalepenos in my olives. in my martini.
in larger states, that personal connection is lost, as is the sense of responsibility to members of the state further removed from the particular individual. which is the beginning of feudalism, oligarchys, the republican party, etc.
Well, I think that there are quite a few pretty large states in this world that work remarkably well. How about Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and pretty much the entire EU?
Mmmm, I can already taste mom's homemade onion pie... with ice cream
I have a recipe for vidalia onion pie. Not meant to be eaten with ice cream, though. More as a side dish with some grilled meat.
Anyone up for semantics?
JR
the dog who is so angry He cannot move, He cannot eat, He cannot sleep, He can just barely growl.
because he is so tightly wound with tension and anger, he approaches the state of rigor mortis.
The Yorkshire Ranter
Europhobia
mrs dirk makes a fabulous onion pie. no ice cream. swiss cheese, cream cheese and tomatoes.
i had a scary thought. tell me i'm wrong.
what if alito's hostility to minorities resonated with byrd?
I can already taste mom's homemade onion pie... with ice cream
Mmmm, that would go well with Salmon or eel ice cream.
mrs dirk makes a fabulous onion pie. no ice cream. swiss cheese, cream cheese and tomatoes.
dirk gently, of course
I should very much like that receipt.
The EU has it's own set of problems as well, but it is probably better than the US.
charley...it won't be long before the killing will begin.
all the post-industrial gettos in every american city...
every frustrated white boy looking for his 15 minutes of fame...
The Schrub thinks he's in control, but, when his policies squeeze too hard and there's a Seminal Event like the killing of MLK...
if america is anything,
she's well armed.
it's more insidious than that don't you know?
i continue to hear the refrain that somehow the press has gone astray only recently.
hah!
though we conveniently recall the "emperor has no clothes" reporting from seasia, for most amerikans, that is not what they read in their local newspapers, nor what they saw on their local television/radio channels.
most amerikans were subjected to progagandized news.
very little has changed. most journalists are agents of the state.
especially since the era of the great gangster, "honest" abe.
i have been reading joan mellen's recent book, A FAREWELL TO JUSTICE. a really rigorous and exhaustive consideration of garrison's investigation into the jfk hit.
an aspect of the sty that should inform as to the role of the press, the real employer of journalists, is how many of the press[all] were functioning as agents of the state - spying on garrison, stealing his files, publishing fictional stys....working to destroy his investigation.
you can all reflect on how many other critical stories were either ignored or sabotaged by the doyennes of the press.
my favorite was one i watched in real time, pete brewton's stys in the houston post about the bushits and their involvment with the mob in the s&l bust-outs.
his stys, when they aired, were oddly edited. the me/publisher always buried the lead. you had to read the sty until the last grafs to get to the heart of the sty.
it turns out, that it was the publisher's decision to rearrange the stys in this manner. as brewton interpreted it, as i interpreted it, the goal was to diminish the import and impact of the stys.
it got to become pretty scandalous, however. brewton's well researched, well documented stys were not being picked up by the national media. the nyt, the wapo, et al defended their ignoring by alleging that brewton was a fantasist, a conspriracy theorist.
and eventually the columbia journalism review[was it being run by the outfit, then?] came to houston to interview brewton, review his files, with the intention of publishing an article that he was a fantasist - that the nyt, the wapo, the ap, the upi, abc, cbs, nbc were correct to ignore his reportage.
it wasn't a long article, but after their review, the cjr did publish a piece that brewton had the evidence. and had been writing about it accurately.
that changed nothing at the agencies of propaganda levels. brewton's stys continued to be ignored.
within months, brewton had become disappeared as the rigourously fascist, establishment paper, the chronicle, swallowed the post.
i watched the same squelching during the raygun era's murderings in central america.
let's remember, ray bonner of the nyt was able to get front-page space to report his observing of the el mozote massacre.
within weeks, under pressure from the raygun regime, the wsj, ray was fired and the nyt published that ray's story was notional.
and then there was the great reporting by martha honey/tony avirgan.
I like the idea of a united Europe but the EU has its problems and the corruption which goes on is a major problem.
tribal societies are necessarily more self nurturing - and self policing - because each individual has a greater effect on each other individual.
Tribal societies are also necessarily more repressive, illiberal, and stagnant, because each individual is subsumed to the tribal identity.
Also, "statism" is not congruent with "nationalism", the latter is more like tribalism on a large scale.
The EU has it's own set of problems as well, but it is probably better than the US.
Are not most of the nations that are called rogue, by the bush admin, ones who want to use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
jello - 8:16 pm
libertarianism is an essentially selfish ideology...progressivism is essentially communitarian...
do the math?
its hilarious
EU directives are followed to a Tee by the British government, when most of Europe chooses to ignore 'em.
By EU, I meant Euro
georgia is of course the home of vidalia onions. billed as onions so sweet you can eat them like apples.
Yah.
Arizona is the home of the valiant Grand Canyon Sweets, onions grown in soil entirely absent the noxious sulphur that makes onions bad.... So sweet that at last year's Grand Canyon Onion Festival I came home with 72lbs worth, which I am, even now, working my way thru. And the Festival is nigh!
but the EU has its problems and the corruption which goes on is a major problem.
The corruption you have there is well and truly as nothing to the corruption we have here. Our corruption is institutionalized.
i think i read Private Eye to much.
each issue as a column titled 'Brussel Sprouts'.
well, that libertarian streak, woody, where people are free to make their own decisions. not the privatizing everything and selling to the highest bidder -part.
Well, I think that there are quite a few pretty large states in this world that work remarkably well. How about Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and pretty much the entire EU?
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:18 pm | #
touche. but this is america, goddammit!
i'm not so sure about s korea. canadians, in my experience, tend to leave even other canadians alone - quebecers and bcers don't bother each other much. asian society is totally different in their view of the individual, so i callously disregard them in my thesis. australia may work well if you aren't an aborigane, but if you are you might think differently - you are safer in your own tribe than in the state.
and the eu has plenty of "statist" problems, which they are trying to address but still.....
of course, i'm pulling these views out of my ass with nothing but my own prejudices to go on.
And as long as I'm ranting, the only reason Bush has been able to do what he's done is BECAUSE of 9/11.
I am holding all those who supported him and his policy decisions responsible for the unbelievable suffering caused by them.
if america is anything,
she's well armed.
Troublemaker - 8:20 pm
regretfully, i do believe it's a'comin'...
I like the idea of a united Europe
But I thought you wer all about "smash the state" was I mistaken?
So sweet that at last year's Grand Canyon Onion Festival I came home with 72lbs worth, which I am, even now, working my way thru.
How are you storing those w/o them going bad/sprouting?
but charley...
if'n that dog had only one hand...hell!
he'd start a shootin
Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism
another blog my brother pointed me towards to.
libertarians are nothing but anarchists too cowardly to live their convictions.
Are not most of the nations that are called rogue, by the bush admin, ones who want to use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
doug
your point?
blerb i said i liked the idea but not the way the current EU is going about it.
OTDR
Doh!
MSNBC | Submitted by: Chief Wiggum
"In a tragic case of mistaken identity, police shot and critically wounded an off-duty officer as he pointed a gun at a suspect outside a fast food restaurant early Saturday, authorities said."
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
jello
No.
It really depends on what you call "libertarianism". The anarcho-capitalist flavour is anything but progressive.
i am, in fact, 'older than Simels', if the truth were known...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
Mebbe. But not older than I. Are you 105?
See?
use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
your point?
Keystone Blues, still trying to ferret out the real motivation besides the obvious one of just looting the US treasury, and population, for our current foreign policy.
i'm thinking along economic lines.
you know who is the smartest?
the Swiss
they enjoy the benefits of the EU without any of the hassle.
ok they have to put up with a few regulations but the deal they have is really good.
yest the Swiss are very smart.
OTDR
Criminals apparently taking notes during CSI
Cleveland Plain Dealer | Submitted by: anonymous
"When Tammy Klein began investigating crime scenes eight years ago, it was virtually unheard of for a killer to use bleach to clean up a bloody mess." ... "The more sophisticated the television story lines get, the better equipped criminals will be, [the police captain] said, adding that he never watches CSI because it's too unrealistic."
[added note: we have heard cops chuckling over how on Law & Order everybody talks pretty well nigh instantly]
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:01 pm | #
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
From scoutprime: "Louisiana Republican Richard Baker of the Baker Bill said this of Bush's approach to NOLA..."There is a price to pay for blind neglect. The current plan would be a death blow to the state's economy." So Baker has vowed to continue to fight for legislation to bail out homeowners and educate Bush and the nation on the necessity of it."
Maybe people will start to see that BooshCo. doesn't give a fuck about them. I hope the midterms are a bloodbath.
the Swiss are also well armed heh.
i mean a couple of years back i hurt my knee very badly while on holiday.
and my dad only found out at the hospital that the Swiss had signed a deal with Britain which allowed the E1-11 form to be used.
they had been very quiet about it.
jello,
we're not "Free," pardner...
we're responsible for and to each other...
there's too many of us, and we're too mean, to be irresponsible...
.
btw, gwpda, i do not care for vidalia onions, i find them flavorless.
used to live in tucson, and i agree. sweet onions that still taste like onions. in fact, local produce overall was better there than here - that may also be a function of time, back then there were far fewer veggies genetically engineered with longevity and transportability (word?) prefered over flavor.
and in wsetern ny, truly great produce in season, but that may be because our best friends had an organic farm and natural foods store.
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
rorschach
Tell that to the Greeks.
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
well the Greeks had city states but not nation states.
the city states fourght endlessly for example the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta.
i'm thinking along economic lines.
you know who is the smartest?
the Swiss
luxemburgers aren't too dumb either.
and great with a slice of sulfer-free onions.
Keystone Blues, still trying to ferret out the real motivation besides the obvious one of just looting the US treasury, and population, for our current foreign policy.
doug
I'm not following the EU connection here. I agree our foreign policy is a joke.
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:30 pm | #
tribalism.
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
blerb
So then it's not human nature after all? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
Phillip II of Macedon put a stop to that by his superior military tactics.
his reforms of the Macedonian army was to have far reaching consquences.
arguably the Hellenstic age began with his regin.
I meant statism in the generic sense of forming social hierarchies with rules. That is older than the human race.
blerb
Heirarchies and rules don't define "state" though. If it did then language would be a "state".
It seems to me that kos is a partisan democratic blog
Eschaton is not just about Democrats winning -- Atriots seems to care about what kind of Dems win (ever hear of the term "Vichy Dems?")
NTodd --
Closed head injuries can be very bad news -- keep us posted, please
arguably the Hellenstic age began with his regin.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre
i blame helen. she was a trojan horse, which was her achilles heel.
And as long as I'm ranting, the only reason Bush has been able to do what he's done is BECAUSE of 9/11.
pie
Agreed.
That certainly was a fortuitous gift for that crew, wasn't it?
Once one is hit, fear of getting hit again changes things dramatically. And those bunwads took full advantage of that fear.
regretfully, i do believe it's a'comin'...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
if'n that dog had only one hand...hell!
he'd start a shootin
Troublemaker |
oh it's a com'n, cause this ain't a cartoon. this is the real motherfuck'n deal. what ya goona say when the patriot goons come for you? sure mr. policeman, i go with you? no...
it's a com'n.
unless it's headed off... which isn't looking good.
well the Greeks had city states but not nation states.
Yep.
Anyway, the broader point is that to claim that any societal formation is "human nature" is inane and doomed to be wrong.
THat's all I'm saying.
I'm not following the EU connection here.
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
Alexander may claim all he glory but he owes an awful lot to his father.
Are not most of the nations that are called rogue, by the bush admin, ones who want to use the EU as payment for their oil instead of dollars?
doug
your point?
Keystone Blues
Citizen A;'could you please tell me where Jones Street is?'
Citizen B;'what's your point?'
Duh!
Haven't read all the comments, so please forgive if this has already been mentioned. I've found Jack Shafer's conversion into a major asshole to be puzzling, but people change, I guess.
Anyway, Stoller's description of him as being abrasive, as if wanting to pick a fight, seemed quite accurate. It is Shafer's way of inviting the inevitable blows so he can admire his black eyes in the mirror and commend himself for being relevant. Here're his own words in the column Posters vs. The Post (or Howell good, lefty blogs bad):
"One of the great mysteries—and disappointments—of my own career is that despite my best efforts I've never been the target of a protest by an angry minority organization, a special interest group, or a political caucus. No chief dittohead has ever directed his troops to lock up my publication's switchboard with harassing calls, stage a denial of service attack on my Web site, or visit my home at 3 a.m. with air horns."
As they say, be careful what you wish for!
yes woody...for every action there is a reaction.
i'm 56 and never owned a gun in my life...although i've had some life treatening jobs(Baltimore Cab Driver)
if the san andreas fault gives way...
or the nazis get too thick,
i'll need to be well armed.
thinkng of getting a glock and maybe a high powered rifle.
hey hunter just died...ther should be some on the market!
doesn't Sammy Boy Alito prefer Machine Guns???
woody,i agree, we are our brothers' keeper. by free, i mean believe in the right to self-determination. free to decide for ourselves about abortion, euthanasia, etc. all those other legalization movements.
"I am holding all those who supported him and his policy decisions responsible for the unbelievable suffering caused by them."
--pie
I hate it that I am made to support his policies because I pay taxes that aid his unjust war. Hell, I never minded paying taxes before (well, maybe a little), but now I feel my tax dollars are feeding interests that are not my interests.
arguably the Hellenstic age began with his regin.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre
i blame helen. she was a trojan horse, which was her achilles heel.
dirk gently, of course
With Helen it's always been hit or myth.
Statism is human nature. It can't be escaped.
blerb | 01.28.06 - 8:01 pm | #
Except that "states" didn't exist until, oh, a few hundred years back...
rorschach who ♥ blerb | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 8:28 pm | #
most of them not even a few hundred years, national mythology notwithstanding.
blerb: The formation of social heirarchies with rules is an emergent property. The differnt forms of those heirarchies (structures) are called different things... tribalism, state, nation...
dirk: I have to disagree with you. The mere existance of heirarchies and rules is in no way tribalism.
statism nor puesedeo-free market ideology preached by neoliberals and vulgar Libertarians have the answers.
Anyway, the broader point is that to claim that any societal formation is "human nature" is inane and doomed to be wrong.
i disagree.
even the great apes have tribal structures. and i would presume that our common ancestors did, as well.
which is my point and belief. these kind of tribal structures are necessary for the common good, and the survival of the species. this i think is ingrained in all social animals.
weird. I just stopped by, saw four legs' comment and have to say this. Of all the beautiful people on this blog, and I've met some, and love others from afar, there is no more beautiful spirit or person here than four legs.
I shoulda said this yesterday because I thought it then, and I think it nearly everyday.
So there.
I DO NOT know what to make of this. It appears to be Bacon En Croute. Sort of. Not awful. Just....
It looks like some form of popovers, like you make with roast beef (?) drippings...
So sweet that at last year's Grand Canyon Onion Festival I came home with 72lbs worth, which I am, even now, working my way thru.
How are you storing those w/o them going bad/sprouting?
res ipsa loquitur
I put 'em in the onion drawer. It's just a deep drawer in the kitchen - one of the great virtues of living some place where the humidity doesn't much go over 19%. In my kitchen in Albuquerque, the kitchen drawers were fronted with wood, but were made of sheet metal, all one piece. Great for onions, potatoes, roots generally.
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
doug
ok - so what?
that was some tasty reading.
Europe originally was just 'christendom' before the reformation.
the idea of the nation state did not start to form properly till the 19th century e.g. the unfications of Germany and Italy.
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It's incomplete -- url's are still cut-and-paste, and I'm still plugging in phone numbers -- but I'm working my ass off to complete it, and there's enough there to do a lot of work filling voicemail and email inboxes and clog fax machines. So please, use it, then check back later as it gets more complete.
Thanks!!
ok - so what?
Haven't you heard the war drums beating over Iran, supposedly over nuclear use? Notice we are not beating the same drums over Pakistan, India or No. Korea.
It looks like some form of popovers, like you make with roast beef (?) drippings...
Marcia Brady ∞
Maybe. Wanta try it?
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
doug
ok - so what?
Keystone Blues
yeah doug, so fucking what? i mean, what's the fucking point? you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
Keystone Blues, for example some time recently the Iranians announced that they were going to setup a bourse or trading floor for their oil where the currency required to participate, would be the Euro, and not the dollar.
doug
ok - so what?
Keystone Blues
yeah doug, so fucking what? i mean, what's the fucking point? you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
mr. smith goes to washington on right now. can you believe i've never seen it?
dirk: I have to disagree with you. The mere existance of heirarchies and rules is in no way tribalism.
JR | Email | 01.28.06 - 8:36 pm | #
it isn't the heirarchies and rules, those to some extent are the problem because once they extend beyond an immediate group they create the state. which usually becomes a problem.
it is the societal positions which allow (or demand) those most capable in one area to use that to help those weaker in that but stronger in others. to each according to his need, from each according to his ability.
hunter, medicine man, matriarch, chief. tribal. communal. self sustaining.
thinkng of getting a glock and maybe a high powered rifle.
I would recommend a shotgun.
Anyway, the broader point is that to claim that any societal formation is "human nature" is inane and doomed to be wrong.
THat's all I'm saying.
rorschach
Can you back up that claim?
Society formation is not only human nature, it is why we exist. Society create H sapiens, not the other way around.
There's also the math. Society is an emergent property of our very existance.
mr. smith goes to washington on right now. can you believe i've never seen it?
neither have i.
you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
I can try can't I? I'm a freaking engineer, with lots of knowledge about esoteric technical crap, and even I can grasp this.
Woody, Troublemaker, Charley--Monsieur is purchasing a gun and taking shooting lessons.
My husband hates weapons.
the idea of the nation state did not start to form properly till the 19th century e.g. the unfications of Germany and Italy.
egypt?
rome?
the chinese dynasties?
the aryan empire?
hmmm. i wonder.
Moonbats! What's happening? I'm sore from working in the yard and cooking all day. Took pumpkin curry soup, stuffed peppers, spinach casserole, cole slaw, mixed berries /w ricotta topping, and tapioca pudding over to my son and d i l. Dark moon tomorrow, but I can get ready for that tomorrow.
My son is cancelling his WaPo subscription and writing them a letter telling them why. I know he'd like to keep it for the sports, but he says the Howell mess was the final straw.
I would recommend a shotgun.
deer rifles are very easy to get, and have some interesting advantages.
I've found Jack Shafer's conversion into a major asshole to be puzzling, but people change, I guess.
He ran the SF Weekly for New Times five or six years ago.
He was a major asshole then, too.
When, exactly, was he anything but a hack?
the United Kingdom did not really exist till the Act of Union 1707,.
since the 10th century England and Scotland considered themseleves seperate states.
the accession of Jamea Ist changed all that.
much later the Act of Union 1800 joined the Kingdom of Ireland,.
woody...that's a good one....who ever figured that one out?
my nephew calls her over the hill...
BRITNEY SPITS
It's hard to get on dvd; it was actually one of the first and then they stopped pressing it
thinkng of getting a glock and maybe a high powered rifle.
I would recommend a shotgun.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
Hecate--your son and DIL are most fortunate to have you. I'll be seeing mine for a short time later.
And your food sounds scrumptious.
Europe originally was just 'christendom' before the reformation.
the idea of the nation state did not start to form properly till the 19th century e.g. the unfications of Germany and Italy.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 8:38 pm |
Indeedy. Alas, too many 'journalists', whether they be Americans or Brits, don't seem to grasp that, and write about 'ancient ethnic hatreds' as the cause of genocide and war. That would be no.
I would recommend a shotgun.
Billy B - 8:40 pm
12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
...
Moonbootica --
Periodization of history is largely arbitrary but essential -- Phillip forged the weapon that Alexander used
Whatever one might think of Alexander, he deserved a better movie
And "city-state" is a silly name for "polis" (how do I get haloscan to write in Greek?), but it is the convention -- the concept is not easily expressed in English because we just don't think about our polity the same way as the "classical" Greeks did -- the novel "Gates of Fire" (movie rights acquired by George Clooney) does a pretty good job, IMHO
Nation-state
A nation-state is a specific form of state (a political entity), which exists to provide a sovereign territory for a particular nation (a cultural entity), and which derives its legitimacy from that function. The compact OED defines it as: "a sovereign state of which most of the citizens or subjects are united also by factors which define a nation, such as language or common descent." Typically it is a unitary state with a single system of law and government. It is almost by definition a sovereign state, meaning that there is no external authority above the state itself.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
you do want difficulties.
http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/
tre...mn014591_md.jpg
Maybe. Wanta try it?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Thanks, but I'm trying my very hardest to stay veganish. I don't think I've had bacon in 30+ years.
But popovers are way yummy.
Society formation is not only human nature, it is why we exist. Society create H sapiens, not the other way around
Sorry, I mean any "particular" societal formation.
oh i could kill these republican mofos with my hands...
(maybe not my govener Arnhould)
but Katrina taught me something...
something
i didn't want to see.
Prior Aelred | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 8:44 pm | #
perdu is the governor of georgia.
polis want a cracker.
Blogosphere of the Libertarian Left
deer rifles are very easy to get, and have some interesting advantages.
Yes, they do. I was thinking that, if one had to throw down in urban environs, a 12 gauge would be the most effective.
Along with the pistol, that is.
Moonbats! What's happening? I'm sore from working in the yard and cooking all day. Took pumpkin curry soup, stuffed peppers, spinach casserole, cole slaw, mixed berries /w ricotta topping, and tapioca pudding over to my son and d i l. Dark moon tomorrow, but I can get ready for that tomorrow.
I vote we make Hecate make 'Jolly Boys'.
I hate it that I am made to support his policies because I pay taxes that aid his unjust war. Hell, I never minded paying taxes before (well, maybe a little), but now I feel my tax dollars are feeding interests that are not my interests.
Well, I'm sure you would have said that you would have been happy to save lives before the hurricane hit NOLA. And after? There would have been people rebuilding. I already said this a few weeks ago, but a co-worker, whose husband drives a car carrier, was appalled at the destruction still in evidence in LA.
Nothing had been done. Nothing.
Can you imagine that where we are?
On that note, I'm out.
you do want difficulties.
yes. but i think it'll have high surprise factor.
"stop right there!"
"whoa, mate! what the fuck is that thing?"
"it's a blunderbuss. and i'm not your 'mate.'"
*kerplow*
yeah doug, so fucking what? i mean, what's the fucking point? you expect keystone blues to have any grasp whatsoever of current events or mid----east history?
james crack corn
you or your boyfriend still did not answer my question.
maybe not my govener Arnhould
He's got a cranky heart, just make him run for a while, then kick the crap out of him.
it is the societal positions which allow (or demand) those most capable in one area to use that to help those weaker in that but stronger in others. to each according to his need, from each according to his ability.
Tribal heirarchies are based on absolute conformity and subsummation to the tribe. The individual doesn't exist per se
hunter, medicine man, matriarch, chief. tribal. communal. self sustaining.
dirk gently
Heretics burned, women stoned, outsiders killed, etc. It's not idyllic.
Marcia B--entirely possible to make popovers without meat fat.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka)
the Learning Annex is offering 'how to make arrowheads' weekend workshops I *think*
meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
look, i've said it a hundred times here. i could give a ratfuck'n ass about politics except as entertainment.
i don't give a shit about right, or left, human nature or states, i just want a modicum of competent leadership.
we do not have that at present.
Typically it is a unitary state with a single system of law and government. It is almost by definition a sovereign state, meaning that there is no external authority above the state itself.
so my examples above? i mean, i'm not sure language or common descent are realistic anymore anyway.
Keystone Blues with that comment you become dead to me.
I think i shall choose a gladius and a pilum
ok - so what?
Keystone Blues
If the Iranians think they can start blowing off the U.S. dollar, think what would happen if, say, China did the same? You don't want the Iranians thinking they can do this b/c other folks might get the idea they can do thing. Capiche?
entirely possible to make popovers without meat fat.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
Yes, but I like to avoid the eggy-milky deal without making too much of a fuss about it.
I'm not pure by any stretch...
the Learning Annex is offering 'how to make arrowheads' weekend workshops I *think*
hee hee. well, if we're going back to when theocracy ruled the land, we might as well be ethnically correct and use the weapons the pilgrims used...
and the iroquois.
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka) - 8:43 pm
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
Oh and won't that be a goody thing for you, your children, and your dog!!
blip
egypt?
rome?
the chinese dynasties?
the aryan empire?
hmmm. i wonder.
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 8:41 pm | #
Not really the same as a modern day nation/state. A state isn't always a nation, and a nation isn't always a state. There are some nation/states that can claim be longstanding, continous throught time, but very, very few.
look, i've said it a hundred times here. i could give a ratfuck'n ass about politics except as entertainment.
i don't give a shit about right, or left, human nature or states, i just want a modicum of competent leadership.
which is, to some extent, how we got where we are.
partisanship and apathy don't mix (not meaning in one person - meaning some of each)
over there
Marcia B--you can use egg sub and soy milk, and still get a nice product. They won't fluff quite as high, but they're moist and delicious.
Hello all. How's things this evening? I got to have lunch with Tena today. She's having a lovely time with her son and granddaughter, been too busy to post. She is exactly as I would have expected, by the way, ashas been everyone else so far. We had a lovely time and spoke about you all and how much we value you. Cheers!
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
Oh and won't that be a goody thing for you, your children, and your dog!!
Luke
Look! The troll is imitating language!
I'm not pure by any stretch...
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.28.06 - 8:49 pm | #
ummmm.....
ok
america started with the indian genocide
black slavery
we dropped the only atomic bombs
the CIA has been RATFUCKING all over the planet for 50 years
and now we STRART defensive wars...wolfowitz can try to hide in academia but i hope they drag his soory ass out of there and string the sob up
now we got THE VILLAGE IDIOT and his TORTURE PROGRAMS...a virtual gulag
if it were a just world,
AMERICA WOULD BE DEAD ALREADY
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
The idea of a nation-state is associated with the rise of the modern system of states, usually dated to the Treaty of Westphalia (164. The balance of power, which characterises that system, depends for its effectiveness on clearly-defined, centrally controlled, independent entities, whether empires or nation-states. The nation-state received a philosophical underpinning from the era of Romanticism, at first as the 'natural' expression of the individual peoples (romantic nationalism). Since then many varieties of nationalism have developed.
Society formation is not only human nature, it is why we exist. Society create H sapiens, not the other way around
Sorry, I mean any "particular" societal formation.
rorschach
No particular societal formation is implicit. The structures within emergent systems are both malleable and robust, so long as the system is undisrupted.
So Moonbotica,
When you say you are against "statism" is it purely modern nation states that you are against? It is of course a no-brainer that these have only existed since the 19th century, thank you Rorschach. Is there something about these that makes them inherently more evil than city-states or feudal hierarchies or the Roman, Persian, Greek, or Chinese Empires?
Because all I was saying is that if you wish to create a society without some form of social hierarchy, I think that is a futile excercise. It is against human nature.
Marcia--1/4 cup egg sub per egg.
15 MINUTES TO KILLER SUPER WASPS AND ALT.
Hecate --
Fr William is sending you something -- hopes that it arrives before 1 Feb -- the Eve of the Presentation (of Purification or Candlemass or whatever wiccans call it)
Just so you should keep an eye out
Keystone Blues with that comment you become dead to me.
doug
Oh, that hurts.........
Peace of Westphalia
The Peace of Westphalia, also known as the Treaties of Münster and Osnabrück, refers to the series of treaties that ended the Thirty Years' War and officially recognized the United Provinces and Swiss Confederation. The Spanish treaty which ended the Eighty Years' War was signed on January 30, 1648. The treaty signed October 24, 1648 was between the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand III, the other German princes, France, and Sweden. The Treaty of the Pyrenees, signed in 1659, ending the war between France and Spain is also often considered part of the treaty. It marked the beginning of the modern era, ending feudalism in international relations and spawning the sovereign nation-state.
so my examples above? i mean, i'm not sure language or common descent are realistic anymore anyway.
dirk gently, of course -8:48 pm
probably not in a post-colonial imperial state...
Not really the same as a modern day nation/state.
well, obviously not modern, but how was egypt not a nation state?
Thers--all right!!!
blerb so you say.
but we shall have to respectably disagree.
i always thought athens and sparta and troy were considered nation-states...
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka) - 8:43 pm
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
10 gauge, lever action. Half-buck.*
*If you know what "half-buck" means you have been very, very bad.
*kerplow*
It would be more like BOOOOM!!!!
A buddy of mine went to a local indoor shooting range several years back for target practice.
When we got there another buddy showed up and pulled out a .44 mag pistol. Wow. Started shooting that cannon and the flames were shooting out of the end of the damn gun a foot or so. The fucker was so loud that folks started to leave the range.
That's one bad ass handgun.
program the hologram to reproduce squid tentacles
just in case 'Ol Bess' the 12 gauge' can't stop 'them'
If the Iranians think they can start blowing off the U.S. dollar, think what would happen if, say, China did the same? You don't want the Iranians thinking they can do this b/c other folks might get the idea they can do thing. Capiche?
res ipsa loquitur
nope, not really. sorry.
Hey, if a shotgun was good enough for Grandma, it's good enough for me!
As far as arrowheads go, just buy a bunch of silver dollars (the older, larger ones) or half dollar coins... you can easily cut them into sharp, pointy triangles... perfect, easy arrowheads!
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The left is a pretty stupid force. They don't realize that America has moved to the right. They want to move farther to the left, despite the fact that the Democrat Party is at it's most liberal ever.
Dear Prior,
Fr William is so good to me. We call it Imbolc, the feast of the Goddess Brigid (pronounced Breed), who is a the goddess of fire, blacksmiths, poetry, and childbirth. I think the Catholics celebrate the feast of St. Brigit at about the same time. I'll be on the lookout!
That's one bad ass handgun.
The trouble with those kind of cannons, is to be able to hit anything with them.
Most people start to get a flinch going after shooting it just a few times.
There are some nation/states that can claim be longstanding, continous throught time, but very, very few.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
One way of thinking of nation is to consider the word as denoting a group of people that are culturally bound -- by language, customs, descent, etc. State usually means the polity that is geographically bound and has a government that holds a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence to enforce laws and mores. Sometimes a nation's outline and a state's correspond pretty closely, as with Japan. Sometimes not, as with the US or the former Soviet Union or Iraq. Sometimes a nation is attached to a piece of land -- Isreal -- and sometimes it isn't particularly -- the Islamic Ummah.
i'm anti-federalism, by the way. letting each state have different laws is pretty much bullshit in this day and age with such a migratory population.
and having 50 different state bars is also stupid.
"I'm not a blogger, and don't care much."
The bloggers are the real heroes of the media (or lack of it) these days. They are fighting to get the truth out there when the massive repugnant machine has bought everything mostly - especially the mainstream media. We lost the last two presidential elections for a couple reasons but the most important was the refusal to let the dem candidates speak. The liberal blogs are doing that and they deserve are gratitude whatever happens.
This fight is about the blogs.
Oh...and just WAIT until Alito gets in. You democrat cunts won't be elected dog-catcher for another century
bdg
name one alito ruling that you support.
Folks, it's spelled C-a-p-i-c-e.
JR--
Okay, we seem to agree.
Why keep arguing?
Goodness, I was about to conclude that i'd come into a serious discussion of something or other, until somebody mentioned Killer Wasps. I am reassured.
Vulgar Libertarianism Watch, Part 1
When we got there another buddy showed up and pulled out a .44 mag pistol. Wow. Started shooting that cannon and the flames were shooting out of the end of the damn gun a foot or so. The fucker was so loud that folks started to leave the range.
That's one bad ass handgun.
damn.... isn't that dirty harry's gun?
Keystone Blues: here.
blerb I had him on my firewall, sent the stuff into hackerswatch... sure he isn't using a proxy?
guess i should have gone to school - not sure of the terminology of "nation state". does in only mean a nation composed of states? a centralized govt at the pinicalle of local ones?
it seems that would be largely impossible before modern communication. but then, i thought the aztecs had such a sytem. and i thought ancient china did too - an emporer over provinces.
but as i say, not my area of expertise. i am more interested in the societal configurations from an anthropological point of view than a political one. if those can be seperated.
i couldn't believe the supremes decided that regulation on how to dispose of nuclear waste is supposed to be ruled by state law.
ummmm.....
dirk gently, of course
Yes? Questions? Comments? Photographs?
Persian money enabled the Spartans to build a navy as good as the Athenians.
the Persians may of lost against the united Greek city states but their money certainly helped the Peloponnesian War along.
i couldn't believe the supremes decided that regulation on how to dispose of nuclear waste is supposed to be ruled by state law.
get ready for a hell of a lot more inconsistent case law. the move is on to "state's rights unless it's for drugs or the president."
Why keep arguing?
rorschach
We aren't arguing, we're exploring.
i remember my 1st NY's Eve in Espanola, New Mexico...
@ midnight the shooting began,
a few pistols
a couple deer rifles
a shotgun or two
then...
it sounded like a sixty caliber automatic machine gun spewing off 20 or 30 rounds
...and KAAAAAABBOOOOM
musta been a hangrenade.
AMERICA IS ARMED TO THE TEETH...
and like the demented little dubya
ready to go.
Watch Out Georgie Boy...
don't push her over the line.
Thanks to T2 for all the work. And can I say I love my hometown boys: Massachusetts Rocks!
I vote we make Hecate make 'Jolly Boys'.
Oh what are those? I'm running out of good things to fix them that transport easily.
My husband hates weapons.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
me too, i hate weapons. but i have a riot gun. designed to quell riots in prisons.
sawed of shotgun sort of scenario. i used to just think of it as a picture prop. but maybe a trip to the shop, an oiling.
as charleston used to say...
i've always supported the second amendmant. not because i thought it any longer relevant, but because it's part of the fuck'n constitution. never thought it would be relevant. maybe it is.
but that is far more violent than my true sentinments. which is to say sentators, congressmen ,republican or democratic, stand up for my rights. YOU FUCK'N REPRESENT ME! not george w. fuckwit.
Mena--I'm about to fire up the set. I'm hoping Thers will help liveblog this.
you can use egg sub and soy milk, and still get a nice product. They won't fluff quite as high, but they're moist and delicious.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
Sounds yummy. I may just invest in a popover pan.
I love those old irish saints, like Brigid, who wandered in from the older tradition. Seamus Heaney's poem "Saint Kevin and the Blackbird" captures the whole spirit of that age beautifully.
SIX MINUTES TO SUPER KILLER WASPS.
The fact ist that mainstream common-sense Republican Party will gain seats over the extremist Democrat Party.
If the Democrat Party can't produce one good leader, why should they be allowed to run Government?
Photographs?
Marcia Brady ∞ | 01.28.06 - 8:57 pm | #
sure - if you have any. i'd love to see!
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka)
Compound hunting bows, air and gas-powered rifles (Lewis and Clark carried a .36-caliber air gun), copper tubing and a single line valve can be fashioned into a lead-ball projector powered by pumping with a bicycle pump, slingshots, shotguns, semi-automatic rifles of all calibers, mace, stun guns, bricks, rocks, cables strung across highways, general strikes.
Voting would be easier, but these doggies seem to want the full monty.
Americans are revolutionary by nature: the go nazi on us at their peril.
All this reminds me I should eat something. I lied about the shepherd's pie incidentally. Well, not really. I made it, but then Arthur said he had to take it to some meeting or another so that was that.
I think I've got some lettuce here, maybe some cabbage. Anyway.
G'night! Be good!
my lectures start again on Monday.
this Semester the modules i am studying are
Greek City States
The Athenian Democracy
Politics and Society in the Later Roman Republic
not really the same as a modern day nation/state.
well, obviously not modern, but how was egypt not a nation state?
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 8:52 pm | #
Not an expert on Egyptian history, but ancient Egypt isn't mentioned AFICR in what I've read on nationalism (though there is so much for me to read yet) as an early prototype for the nation/state. Also, the idea of a nation/state really is 'modern' so thinking of Egypt as a nation/state is anachronistic.
Most people start to get a flinch going after shooting it just a few times
True that. I was ducking when someone else whas shooting it.
poppiep - yep. That's Harry's heater.
sure - if you have any. i'd love to see!
dirk gently, of course
Sweetie, I've shown all the photos I intend to show on this site.
We aren't arguing, we're exploring.
lewis and clarke!
DRONErruuupppertDRONErruuupppertDRONErruuupppert
DRONErruuupppertDRONErruuupppertDRONErruuupppert
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blerb I had him on my firewall, sent the stuff into hackerswatch... sure he isn't using a proxy?
Mr.Murder
If we are still talking about bdg my "sources" say "no proxy".
Americans are revolutionary by nature: the go nazi on us at their peril.
yeah, but there are too many people who don't give a flying fuck about what's going on around them.
"George Who?"
Via democrats.com, the Alito Traitor Watch.
Remember each and every one of these motherfuckers.
I think I've got some lettuce here, maybe some cabbage. Anyway.
G'night! Be good!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Mmmm, I could live on shredded cabbage with Wa-fu dressing...
perfect, easy arrowheads!
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MisterX - 8:54 pm
and they'd work against vampires, i reckon!!!
Americans are revolutionary by nature: the go nazi on us at their peril.
At everybody's peril. Way too many people are just one more thing away from becoming violent, on both sides of the aisle.
I don't welcome seeing blood in the streets.
The left is a pretty stupid force. They don't realize that America has moved to the right. They want to move farther to the left, despite the fact that the Democrat Party is at it's most liberal ever.
1) The Dems have moved more right--hardly the most liberal ever.
2) Funny how every fucking poll shows that people agree with the Dems' fundamental positions.
3) You're a dick, and our current healthcare system won't cure you without Dems in power.
poppiep - yep. That's Harry's heater.
cool. i used to have a friend who coveted that gun.
Sweetie, I've shown all the photos I intend to show on this site.
Marcia Brady
Well, there goes *my* evening ..... [sniff].
Britons unconvinced on evolution
Just under half of Britons accept the theory of evolution as the best description for the development of life, according to an opinion poll.
Furthermore, more than 40% of those questioned believe that creationism or intelligent design (ID) should be taught in school science lessons.
Bunch of fucking rednecks.
Folks, it's spelled C-a-p-i-c-e.
JR
Actually, it's (also) capische.
"Capische?" (also spelled "capiche," "capisce," or "capisci" translates to "Do you understand," or colloquially, "Got it?"
I am so going to have to catch a rerun of 'Locusts--the 8th Plague.'
Am I the 107th caller?
blerb so you say.
but we shall have to respectably disagree.
Well, Moonbotica, all I can say is that I saw things the same way you seem to now when I was 20, but my attitude has changed. I honestly do not mean to imply thereby that I am wiser than you, but just that that is honestly how it has happened with me, and also with a very large number of others. Hence Churchill's famous quip, although I must qualify by stating emphatically that I merely went from anarchism to liberalism.
Perhaps, like the tendency to form hierarchies, this is also biologically determined, as one transitions from separating from one's parents to becoming a parent onesself....
BTW, if Simels is around... did you know TPC has its own website?
Just under half of Britons accept the theory of evolution as the best description for the development of life, according to an opinion poll.
Furthermore, more than 40% of those questioned believe that creationism or intelligent design (ID) should be taught in school science lessons.
Did a lot of red staters emigrate recently?
Fascism is the civil war of the elites against the rest...
it needn't be a bloody coup; if world wars can be 'cold,' then so can civil wars...
Evenin', bats.
Keystone Blues: here.
res ipsa loquitur
res - I tried to read that. He could try writing in english.
2) Funny how every fucking poll shows that people agree with the Dems' fundamental positions.
Funny how the real polls, elections, don't bear that out.
Doh!
well, fucking hell. i have spent the last 8 hours straight in front of this laptop and my neck is killing me something fierce, so i'm gonna go rent a movie.
any suggestions? fun(ny) or boomy. nothing serious.
Hey, NTodd! Glad to see you back here bashing trolls!
it seems that would be largely impossible before modern communication. but then, i thought the aztecs had such a sytem. and i thought ancient china did too - an emporer over provinces.
but as i say, not my area of expertise. i am more interested in the societal configurations from an anthropological point of view than a political one. if those can be seperated.
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 8:56 pm | #
Benedict Anderson in 'Imagined Communities' points to the printing press as instrumental in the rise of of modern nationalism.
Hecate - this is a receipt we've been worrying over. It's lots better than Herring in Oatmeal, but otherwise, we cannot quite figure out what it IS.....?
Jolly Boys
Serves 4
150ml (¼ pint) Milk
8 Rashers Bacon
2 tbsp Plain Flour
1-2 tsp Butter or Lard
1 Egg
Salt - pinch
Whisk the milk. flour, egg a pinch of salt together, to produce a batter the thickness of double cream.
Allow to stand for 15-25 minutes.
Fry the bacon in butter or lard in a frying pan, remove and keep warm.
Increase the heat, add a tablespoon of batter.
Baste with hot fat as when frying an egg.
Serve immediately with the bacon.
AMERICA IS ARMED TO THE TEETH...
Hell, Troublemaker, that happens in my own inner-city n'hood in Little Beirut, Oregon.
What you're forgetting isthat these guys (in the cuirrent maladministration, for example) are not only Armed To The Teeth, but armed, as well, with all the newest weaponry.
They can strike us with beams of Something that will cause knee-buckling pain that we can neither hear nor see.
We would be foolish to believe that our weapons could have any effect on anyone except our neighbors or ourselves.
SD
Also, the idea of a nation/state really is 'modern' so thinking of Egypt as a nation/state is anachronistic.
ok. if i get interested, i'll study it. seems like semantics to me, to say it's only a modern nation if it's modern. again. i'm ore interested in behaviour than structure. i know a very little about egypt as a nation, quite a bit more about ancient rome and used to know a bit about china and india. seems to me they are all precursors, althogh china more on a parallel path.
one thing i've learned studying them on my own in parallel rather than in formal education serially is that it turns out that people are, well, people.
any suggestions? fun(ny) or boomy. nothing serious.
"Merry Widow" is on TCM right now.
Mmm. Jeanette MacDonald.
Egypt itself was unified around 3000BC done by means of military force, the evidencewhich can be seen from the pallet of King Narmer.
but Egypt as a nation state?
make for a good masters thesis
1) The Dems have moved more right--hardly the most liberal ever.
Where have the Democrats moved to the right?
2) Funny how every fucking poll shows that people agree with the Dems' fundamental positions.
They're confused and they think the Democrats stand for the principles they held under moderates like Johnson and Kennedy.
The Democrat Party is practically a Marxist party.
3) You're a dick, and our current healthcare system won't cure you without Dems in power.
The Government shouldn't run the health care system. Socialist Health Care system has failed in Canada.
Hi, sallyh!
Any names for the new granddaughter, yet? My son and d i l are thinking of Emma if they have a girl.
and they'd work against vampires, i reckon!!!
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
Well, werewolves anyway. And Novak.
(Fuck off, NSA shitheels, it's a joke.)
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Hecate --
St. Brigid (real person conflated with earlier goddess -- these things happen) is 1 February.
St. Blaise (blessing of throats -- preferably with crossed candles blessed at Candlemas on 2 Feb) is 3 February.
This year Lent does not begin until 1 March (unless you are Eastern Orthodox).
"Merry Widow" is on TCM right now.
Mmm. Jeanette MacDonald.
i so need to get cable... 
DRONErruuupppertDRONErruuupppertDRONErruuupppert
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MisterX
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I love the hanging curtains. You do it best.
Funny how the real polls, elections, don't bear that out.
Funny how you guys have to lie about your real positions come election time, scare people with boogeymen, and cheat. Fuckers.
Hey, NTodd! Glad to see you back here bashing trolls!
Some call it 'feeding'. I call it 'toying'.
Besides, what else should I do while I wait for my hijacking of DVDs for tonight's podcast to finish?
Would somebody please pinch Gary Ruppert Pupkin's head off?
Thank you.
dirty harry is a prick...i see that sob enuf...he's one monkey better kept up on the big screen.
enuf gun talk...i guess the recently departed spirit of HST has possessed me this night.
The Chickens Always Come Home To Roost...
and dubya has unleashed alot that will come back on us all.
i'm outta here
selah charley old friend
fight the good fight
only reason i'm in here kickin up dust is cause i know they're watchin...
like in Little Big Man...
Yeah Mr Custer, if you go in there you'll be killed. That's not just women and children down there. They are brave warriors and they will kill you.
THAT'S RIGHT...
GEORGE CUSTER BUSH
Fry the bacon in butter or lard in a frying pan
And dial 911!
.
Gary Ruppert, thought you were going away forever?
Guess you're just a flip flopper. As well as being too stupid to live.
Funny how the real polls, elections, don't bear that out.
Doh!
truth
No, jizzbo - Boots was even or leading in the polls in both elections.
He is not and your clownish assface buffoons are not currently.
Fecking putz.
Besides, what else should I do while I wait for my hijacking of DVDs for tonight's podcast to finish?
You could sci-fi blog.
Funny how you guys have to lie about your real positions come election time, scare people with boogeymen, and cheat. Fuckers.
Funny how you create an alternate reality for yourself. Dipshit.
blerb so what do you make of my older brother? he is 29 years old and has a daughter yet he considers himself a mutualist at least.
there is a 9 year gap between me and him.
Hecate--they're thinking they'll name her Madison.
For those watching Scifi Saturday Night: Carole Alt was a supermodel in the 80s.
Did a lot of red staters emigrate recently?
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer - - 9:04 pm
both literalism and concomittant fundamentalism (or vice versa; in any case they're corellated) are pretty universalized these days, imho...
i should not be able to smell a man's cologne from 50 feet away. sheesh.
Any names for the new granddaughter, yet? My son and d i l are thinking of Emma if they have a girl.
Emma is pretty.
Gary Ruppert, thought you were going away forever?
Maybe we should all just pretend he did.....
my brother has a blog - Little Red Blogger
but Egypt as a nation state?
make for a good masters thesis
Moonbootica, Die Walküre |
you're welcome!
don't forget the trading with rome. you could probably wangle some nationalistic fog around that.
I've asked this before and people made fun of me, but what is a trackback (located next to the comments)? And why does this thread have one trackback?
GWPDA,
I love any recipe that says, "Fry bacon in butter." Sounds like fried dough to me, served with bacon.
It won't work for son and d i l, who are on a high protein diet, with lots of veggies, too, prescribed by their Bradley instructor, who, I am given to understand, is like a LaMaz Natural Childbirth instructor, only newer and more modern.
BritneySpears anagrams as Presbyterians
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
¡Dios mio!
¡Thees explains everything!
so.
Oh, cool, wasps'-eye view. Freaky.
And talk about wasp pheremone levels. Teh sexy.
damn.... isn't that dirty harry's gun?
poppieprong (fka fka fka)
the most powerful handgun in the world. "do you feel lucky, well do you..."
well, it's starting to sound a bit like freeperworld in here.
see, i told you bush had radicalizied a whole bunch of people.
not a uniter.
For those watching Scifi Saturday Night: Carole Alt was a supermodel in the 80s.
I am old enough to remember when she was teh hot.
She was in "Homo Erectus" the film I photographed recently. Though sadly she was not on set the day I was there.
what is a trackback
read this.
http://www.haloscan.com/help/TrackBack
gary, what's common sense about selling our soul to china? that's what your sock puppet-in-chief has done. you know your tax dollars are building 4 nuclear plants for your beloved chinese communists?
And talk about wasp pheremone levels. Teh sexy.
Yea, nothing is more sexy than a wasp-waist.
sarah...the one thing The Schrub never understood...
the thing that JFK did understand...
that if a man is willing to give their life up to take yours?
YOU'RE DEAD
Gary Ruppert has stinky fingers.
"Merry Widow" is on TCM right now.
Mmm. Jeanette MacDonald.
geor3ge
If I am not mistaken, McDonald was the original "Iron Butterfly" and Nelson Eddy the "Singing Capon".
Actually, it's (also) capische.
Not in this town full of wops, it ain't.
Perhaps, like the tendency to form hierarchies, this is also biologically determined, as one transitions from separating from one's parents to becoming a parent onesself....
blerb
It's not biology, it's math.
any suggestions? fun(ny) or boomy. nothing serious.
poppieprong
Lake Placid.
trackback is a way for people to know what is being said about a post. i haven't the foggiest about how to make it work, but some people place trackbacks to lure people over to their sites. some people have even been known to trackback an Open Thread...
Funny how you create an alternate reality for yourself. Dipshit.
Funny how you deny reality, goatfucker. Thanks for 2006 and 2008.
OT drop-in for music freaks:
'Bout a brazilian concerts from bands known and unknown, for free and legal download. Except I'm not sure how to download 'em.
::runs off singing along to Asylum Street Spankers' "Wake and Bake"::
Hi Prior
"This year Lent does not begin until 1 March (unless you are Eastern Orthodox)."
--Prior Aelred
And Tom ??? just celebrated the new year today (or was it yesterday?).
Funny how many rituals are the same, but are somehow celebrated on different days. I love that about the world. I wish more people could except differences. It would make for an easier life for all of us.
Yea, nothing is more sexy than a wasp-waist.
So a wasp waist is the bee's knees?
ok. if i get interested, i'll study it. seems like semantics to me, to say it's only a modern nation if it's modern. again. i'm ore interested in behaviour than structure. i know a very little about egypt as a nation, quite a bit more about ancient rome and used to know a bit about china and india. seems to me they are all precursors, althogh china more on a parallel path.
one thing i've learned studying them on my own in parallel rather than in formal education serially is that it turns out that people are, well, people.
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 9:06 pm | #
If you're really, really interested I can recommend stuff that's actually understandable, stuff that I began with. It's fascinating because it really is about understanding human behavior, as you said.
http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/l...sm/
kemper1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ben...nedict_Anderson
i think i'll get a blunderbuss.
poppieprong (fka fka fka) - 8:43 pm
like i said: 12 gauge, pump or semi-automatic
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
10 gauge, lever action. Half-buck.*
*If you know what "half-buck" means you have been very, very bad.
JR
The shotgun is only good for close combat. You really need a rifle of about .30-caliber or so, in order to have some reach and ability to deter and suppress from a distance. The .30-cal will penetrate most kevlar helmets and body armors, as will most typical deer hunting rifles.
As the iraqis and arabs know, as they've been taught so well by a few western contries who shall remain unnamed, the best way to fight a conventional force is with unconventional means. I'm just stating historical facts here.
If I am not mistaken, McDonald was the original "Iron Butterfly" and Nelson Eddy the "Singing Capon".
You are correct.
blerb so what do you make of my older brother? he is 29 years old and has a daughter yet he considers himself a mutualist at least.
there is a 9 year gap between me and him.
Hey, I'm not saying that everybody goes that way. Obviously there are diehard revolutionaries of all ages. I'm just saying that the natural tendency is to stop thinking you can change everything. And anyway I'd say that at 29 I was still pretty far to the left.
Ahem.
Names for granddaughters.
Amaranth Victoria.
Amelia Rebecca.
Laura Louise.
JR: thanks. i'll take a look.
well, i really am out, now. my neck is killing me.
The Democrat Party has no leadership that compares to the leadership of our great President, George W. Bush.
Democrats can't lead in the clutch.
The fact is that the current Democrat leadership is a corrupt old man named Harry Reid and a bumbling Marxist fool named Nancy Pelosi.
read this.
http://www.haloscan.com/help/TrackBack
doug
Thank you, doug. I almost understand it now.
Mmm, barbecue sauce...
Benedict Anderson in 'Imagined Communities' points to the printing press as instrumental in the rise of of modern nationalism.
NYMary just got an email from Ben Anderson. He's a nice fellow.
Stupid janitors are always messing around with the deadly mutant wasps.
Godd night bats -- see you in the morning!
NTodd--I had fun shopping for the kids today. How're they doing?
And how are you?
Repost from last night:
Moonbootica and whomever else may be interested: I highly recommend Sarah Vowell's "Godfather"-related presentation.
The actual piece begins about six minutes into the RealPlayer (sorry) file-- the file is an episode of the PRI radio program, "This American Life".
I'd be interested to hear if you connected to it.
i'm anti-federalism, by the way. letting each state have different laws is pretty much bullshit in this day and age with such a migratory population.
and having 50 different state bars is also stupid.
poppieprong
A little late, but I've been multi-tasking.
I disagree to the extent that I think the more distant government is, both in geographical and bureaucratic terms, the less responsive it is.
I also think that at this time in history strong state governments are beginning to take the lead on issues that the federal government is too screwed up to touch: minimum/living wage; health care; environmental concerns, to name just a few.
I do admit that I don't like 50 state bars either.
We would be foolish to believe that our weapons could have any effect on anyone except our neighbors or ourselves.
SD
Sarah Deere - 9:05 pm
seriously scary thoughts, sarah, cara...
Benedict Anderson in 'Imagined Communities' points to the printing press as instrumental in the rise of of modern nationalism.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | Email | 01.28.06 - 9:05 pm | #
certainly in its documentation, anyway
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
~ General Charles de Gaulle
The Government shouldn't run the health care system. Socialist Health Care system has failed in Canada.
Gary Ruppert |
What do you base that statement on?
Parody trolls suck worse than the real thing
Americans are revolutionary by nature
we were, before tv was invented.
Seaxneat--Poppieprong is correct. It's math.
That BBQ sauce looks BOLD!
So there's a suplo about a sexy young secretary lying about barbecue sauce? THAT'S entertainment.
I don't understand why no one wants their granddaughter named Chlamydia LaTrina. I think it's pretty...
Funny how you deny reality, goatfucker. Thanks for 2006 and 2008.
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
Looks like somebody is having another "Mars, bitches!" moment. Hilarious!
Dickwit.
as my big bro told me he got out of the statist trap.
i'm not about 'smashing the state'.
Mutualism is about building a new society from within the old.
you want an idea of what I mean? read Ken MacLeod's Star Fraction.
G'night, Prior, and Poppie. Sorry I just missed you.
seriously scary thoughts, sarah, cara...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka |
WGG, scares the poop right outta me, too, but that's what I think.
These people ain't nice.
Funny how you deny reality, goatfucker. Thanks for 2006 and 2008.
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
Thanks for 2000, 2002, and 2004
Little Brøther that was a really good programme!
Is this coroner dude Drew Carey in 15 years?
The literature taught in schools is that which has survived: a collection of gross statistical anomalies. This is misleading. Falling out of print is a book's natural fate. We can belatedly train ourselves to believe that this will happen to other people's books. What's hard is for writers to believe it will happen to their own.
It'll happen just the same. It happens faster in mainstream fiction than it does in Our Beloved Genre, more slowly for nonfiction history books, very fast indeed for computer manuals; but in the end, all but a very few titles will be forgotten. Just look at the authors in that collection of bestseller lists. You're a literate bunch, but have you ever heard of Harold Bell Wright? How about Mazo de la Roche? Mary Roberts Rinehart, Lloyd Douglas, Irving Bacheller, Frank Yerby, Coningsby Dawson, Warwick Deeping? These were all notable authors in their day. Some of their books were no better than they should be, while others were genuinely praiseworthy; but all of them spent some time perched on top of the commercial heap.
Socialist Health Care system has failed in Canada.
Gary Ruppert |
Yes, it failed so badly that Americans trample eachother to get Canadian drugs...
Love the bug's eye view.
thanks, buckeye.
my studying at the moment is limited to staislovsky, meisner, and (michael) checkov. maybe some strausberg.
for the rest, i'll have to stick with my preconceived notions and whatever i pick up here
selah charley old friend
fight the good fight
only reason i'm in here kickin up dust is cause i know they're watch'n
amen troublemaker, they is watch'n. and to that i say fuck you. this is my america too. not republican america.
it's just not.
fact is from what i've heard lately most republicans are unamerican. that should be reiterated every chance you get.
So there's a suplo about a sexy young secretary lying about barbecue sauce? THAT'S entertainment.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
That sounds suspiciously close to "flirting's" cousin "lusting"...
Sorry, I don't have a recipe including bacon grease, but I do have this:
http://www.mediabloodhound.com/
Just got done watching CONTROL ROOM. Well, I have to say I would believe Al Jazeera a long time before I would believe Fox. (I thought the film was good but pulled its punches too much. If I had directred, I would have called Brooks a fucking liar)
Love the bug's eye view.
I'll bet that coroner would be more delicious with barbecue sauce on him.
The Government shouldn't run the health care system. Socialist Health Care system has failed in Canada.
Do tell?
This ass is a total fool.
The health care system in the US is a total failure. Around 45 million Americans do not have healthcare, ignatz. That's a total failure.
Just like you.
The killer-wasp cam is pretty, uh, interstin'.... Pudgy guys getting stung in the cheeks by wasps. EEEEEK.
The wasps on the "swarm", are the same kind of yellow jackets, that infest my place every August. Though the yellow jackets we've got don't have quite so dangerous of venom, or the ability to chase you down so well.
gary, this is emblematic of what your republican run government has brought us.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Senate on Tuesday gave the green light to U.S.-backed loans to build nuclear power plants in China.
Words are more powerful than bullets...
thats why George W Bush uses bullets...
heck...is'n words ain't no good,
n neither isz'n his'n IQ.
Little Brøther that was a really good programme!
Moonbootica, Die Walküre - 9:17 pm
I'd hoped you'd enjoy it.
I'm gratified. 
i'm ore interested in behaviour than structure
Behavior *is* structure. But not politics.
The Ancient world didn't have "left" and "right". However, my main interest is pre-and proto-history. Without writing things are a lot harder to track. The social structure of the Old European Civilization is a complete fog, in part because it's also unparalleled.
so what do you make of Kevin Carson?
The Government shouldn't run the health care system. Socialist Health Care system has failed in Canada.
Funny, it's worked exceedingly well for me.
That sounds suspiciously close to "flirting's" cousin "lusting"...
Oh, flirting is allowed during Sci-Fi liveblogging. It's like Carnival.
The killer-wasp cam is pretty, uh, interstin'.... Pudgy guys getting stung in the cheeks by wasps. EEEEEK.
They should have made this movie about those giant hornets they have in Japan.
Those motherfuckers really will chase down and sting you to death. And their venom will dissolve your face.
EEEEEEEKKKK!!
How many topics can one thread hold?
NYMary just got an email from Ben Anderson. He's a nice fellow...
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F) | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:13 pm |
Really? Too cool!
Dirk, another site that's a good place to start is:
http://www.nationalismproject.org/
Looks like somebody is having another "Mars, bitches!" moment. Hilarious!
Yeah, haha! Keep whistling past the graveyard. Makes it easier for us.
WGG, scares the poop right outta me, too, but that's what I think.
Funny, the difference a comma makes.
.
not to mention bush tax cuts are being floated by loans from the chinese. why do you support owing our country to the commies - gary? i thought they were our enemy.
What does a swarm movie have to do with barbecue sauce?
What's this about Bush supporters fucking goats? See, I learn something new every time I come here.
we almost named our second daughter "emma"
but the first is "amnesty" and we used to call her "ammie" so it seemed too close.
Though the yellow jackets we've got don't have quite so dangerous of venom, or the ability to chase you down so well.
No, those are more interested in empty Coke cans.
So far these yellowjackets seem to mostly go after pudgy guys.
RUN, JONAH GOLDBERG, RUN!
Yeah, haha! Keep whistling past the graveyard. Makes it easier for us.
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
Heaven knows, you need all the help you can get. Assmouth.
BritneySpears anagrams as Presbyterians
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
her employer, pepsi-cola anagrams 'episcopal'.
Funny how you deny reality, goatfucker. Thanks for 2006 and 2008.
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
Thanks for 2000, 2002, and 2004
You're welcome. Keep living in the past. Don't forget 1933...
What does a swarm movie have to do with barbecue sauce?
Well, depending on your region and your preferences, there are molasses-based swarm movies, and then you have your vinegar-base swarm movies.
I think America is like the sow in the poem by Gallway Kinnell. Sometimes it is necessary
to reteach a thing its loveliness. We've forgotten what was good about us.
Heaven knows, you need all the help you can get. Assmouth.
Least we don't need to cheat, pusbag.
Wasp waist = early 50s. Big breasts, big hips. Tight girdle. Nothing wrong with that. Except for breathing.
How many topics can one thread hold?
mena | Email | 01.28.06 - 9:21 pm | #
right. lets stick to recipes, drinks, and flirting. maybe some song lyrics.
wine, women, song and baconfat.
Please let us Sci-fi Channel-deprived folks know at once if any wasp frass appears in this movie.
What's this about Bush supporters fucking goats? See, I learn something new every time I come here.
Not only do they fuck goats, the suck donkey dicks too.
Okay, apparently wasps are enraged by barbecue. Maybe they're vegans.
Boys: Carol Alt is still dressed.
Have you heard about this? Homeland Security contingency plan. Might want to ask your bank, if the subject happens to come up.
your vinegar-base swarm movies. Are there no dry rub swarm movies?
Heaven knows, you need all the help you can get. Assmouth.
truth
How original.
Buttmunch.
I'm back.
Are y'all still talking about trolls that are telling Atrios what to write?
And "Do You Remember?" just came on the 70's oldies shows.
Gawd I hate Michael McDonald. Zapette's sister gave her his "holiday" album for x-mas as a joke.
Well, depending on your region and your preferences, there are molasses-based swarm movies, and then you have your vinegar-base swarm movies.
Aha. Got it.
Thers--I'd adore seeing Doughboy getting stung!
Least we don't need to cheat, pusbag.
NTodd, Tortoise Tamer
You are hopeless. Turtlefucker.
I think America is like the sow in the poem by Gallway Kinnell. Sometimes it is necessary
to reteach a thing its loveliness. We've forgotten what was good about us.
Hecate Malificent - 9:24 pm
goddess, you so goddam wise
i agape you
my cat is snoring. very loudly.
Are there no dry rub swarm movies?
Ah, now that's a specialty strictly for connoisseurs.
Uh oh.
A black guy.
He's not long for this world.
BTW: I get all my weapons exclusively from the Weapon Shops of Isher.
So far I'm rooting for the yellowjackets.
whtf?
Women demand tougher laws to curb abortions
· Poll reveals growing concern over late terminations
· Blair under pressure to agree review as MPs urge change
A majority of women in Britain want the abortion laws to be tightened to make it harder, or impossible, for them to terminate a pregnancy.
Evidence of a widespread public demand for the government to further restrict women's right to have an abortion is revealed in a remarkable Observer opinion poll. The findings have reignited the highly-charged debate on abortion, and increased the pressure on Tony Blair to review the current time limits.
Boys: Carol Alt is still dressed.
Yawn. Wake me when she scientifically disrobes.
Ahem.
Names for granddaughters.
Further:
Lobelia Louise
Clementine
Barbarella
Toque
Elspeth
Jane
Oleandra
Fanny
Joey
yeah charley,
democracy has a flat power pyrimid
one person---one vote
republicans
corporate types
organized religious whores
...they all have the kiss ass pyrimid with THE POWER JUNKIES controlling it all from the top down.
it's all about the power...
images
big ideas
distorted facts
selah old buddy
there must be some way outta here
said the joker to the thief
there's too much confusion
and i can't get no relief
businessmen they drink my wine
plowmen dig my earth
none of them along the line
realize it's
true worth.
Cameron: Blair was right
David Cameron will this week dramatically praise Tony Blair for his 'profound' understanding of the political mood of Britain in the Nineties, and make an audacious claim to be the Prime Minister's 'natural heir'. In a challenge to Blair's would-be successor, Gordon Brown, the new Tory leader will portray the Chancellor as an instinctive centraliser and bureaucrat, and claim that only the Tories have the reformist credentials to meet the needs of the underprivileged.
You are hopeless. Turtlefucker.
New slang?
Gawd I hate Michael McDonald.
Yep. Dude fucked up the Doobie Brothers when he changed them from a funky guitar based band into a bunch of freaking lounge lizards.
oh, please sarah deere - not fanny.
"my cat is snoring. very loudly."
--dirk gently
Must be catching. So is my little dog. Well 70 lbs. is less than my big dog, 105 lbs.
As a matter of fact I do suck donkey dicks. So what?
Sea energy to power Britain
Waves and tides could generate 20 per cent of electricity and replace nuclear fuel, report says
Surrounded by some of the world's roughest seas, Britain could generate a fifth of its electricity by harnessing the power of tides and waves.
The potential of marine energy is revealed in a report by the government's energy advisers. Wave and tidal power could replace the electricity that is currently produced by UK nuclear power stations, they state, and could prevent the need for Britain to rely on increased Russian gas imports.
BritneySpears anagrams as Presbyterians
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
=========================
her employer, pepsi-cola anagrams 'episcopal'.
gary in fl - 9:23 pm
Now if this movie had bald faced hornets I'd find it scary, those are way to competent of insects to be weilding a stinger.
http://static.flickr.com/21/
3128..._4b80cddea0.jpg
(from my garden last summer)
You are hopeless. Turtlefucker.
You are a poopy head. Unclefucker.
insects don't have emotions.
but i bet they would hate this movie with a passion.
So far I'm rooting for the yellowjackets.
I think I am too.
how about some props for the leadership at NASA telling the Bush Ministry of Truth goons to go fuck themselves.
Pope's olive branch to divorcees
Benedict surprises critics with decision to help fast-track annulments of failed marriages
Pope Benedict signalled a dramatic break with the past yesterday when he acknowledged the plight of divorcees who are banned from taking communion after remarriage and appealed to a Vatican tribunal to issue 'rapid' rulings on annulment requests.
It was the second time this week that the newly elected Pope has displayed strong liberal leanings, confounding his critics and the world's Catholics and showing another side to his previously stern image, which has been unfavourably compared with his predecessor, John Paul II.
Moonboo et al, is it really possible to run on the Poodle's coattails? Is there really a significant constituency of Blair supporters who would rally to a self-proclaimed Blair protege?
Say it ain't so!
Dear WGG,
I agape you, too. I was trying to invoke you today when the pilot light on my stove would not light. I said to myself, "WGG could get this to light, I know it." Unfortunately, I did not invoke you sufficiently and will have to call a repair person on Monday. But I tried.
Why is Carol Alt's hair black?
Is she now a goth queen?
Gawd I hate Michael McDonald.
Yep. Dude fucked up the Doobie Brothers when he changed them from a funky guitar based band into a bunch of freaking lounge lizards.
Billy B |
YESSS!!!!!!!!!!
Little Brøther well i don't know but i wouldn't be suprised.
there is so little to tell between the Tories and NuLab these days.
Gotta go podcast. Have fun scifiblogging. Wish I still got TV.
"The health care system in the US is a total failure. Around 45 million Americans do not have healthcare, ignatz. That's a total failure."
at least half of them potential voters.
two thirds favor single payer.
yet the dems won't touch the issue.
my studying at the moment is limited to staislovsky, meisner, and (michael) checkov. maybe some strausberg.
for the rest, i'll have to stick with my preconceived notions and whatever i pick up here
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 9:18 pm | #
Ah, you can just put it on the list of things to read about when you retire. I think you've got a good inkling there. It's a fun subject for me, I 'got' it, at least it helped explain many a thing above and beyond straightforward history.
realize it's
true worth.
Troublemaker - 9:28 pm
sittin here wonderin about the price
ya gotta pay to get outta
going through all these thngs twice
Bee Lady scientist is Teh Hot.
i hate yellowjackets.
sneaky little fuckers build nests a few inches underground, then get pissed if you happen to step on one.
did that once in wny - walking around the homestead, suddenly i was enveloped by a swarm that came from my feet.
i actually lept over a barbed wire fence running to the house. cleared it. it was like a warner bros cartoon when they hit the screen door right behind me.
Just a little observation before I depart you fine people. I started posting here a few months ago, and for the most part found it enjoyable. However, there have been a few times (such as tonight) when a disagreement with someone brings down abusive and moronic responses upon the person who does not "go with the flow" of this room. It seems a few of you have deeemed yourselves monitors of this blog, and those who might not follow your thoughts all the time must be ridiculed and ostracized. That is fine with me. I am no troll, but simply because you have been posting in this blog forever makes your opinion no more valued than mine. I would suggest that before you all sit around and ask each other how the democratic party can unify and win an election once in a while, you might want to figure out how to listen to someone who might not agree with you all the time, without stupid comments like "you are dead to me now". Enjoy your continued rantings, because I will not be wasting my time in this room any more. Atrios, enjoy your little core group of posters, because apparently if you do not agree with them 100 percent of the time, you are not welcome. In reality, though you do not edit, you really are as bad as the freepers. I watched this little clique run pigboy off. So good luck in your little realm. I now depart for independent land. I will turn in my democratic party card on Monday.
so what do you make of Kevin Carson?
I think the kind of system he envisages would not be able to support anything close to the standard of living that the average American or Briton enjoys today.
Ooooh. I could win tickets to see Air Supply. They're playing at a casino up north of the TC's.
Gas problems worsen as big freeze arrives in southern Europe
The mercury rose, then came the blizzards. After a record number of deaths from the cold, eastern Europe yesterday saw a relative thaw, only for southern France to get the shivers.
Blanketed by 7cms (nearly 3ins) of snow, the city of Toulouse in south-west France closed its airport, leaving shivering passengers curled up on benches under shiny plastic blankets. Dozens of people died in road accidents. Roads were closed in a swathe running from northern Spain, through Provence, to the Italian Alps, and motorways were shut to heavy goods vehicles. Milan's two airports ran a reduced service yesterday after more than 24 hours of snow, and trains between Milan and Florence and Turin and Venice were not running. The southern Swiss canton of Tessin was cut off after the biggest snowfall for 21-years.
Moonbootica, Die Walküre | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:31 pm | #
Now, that is surprising. It does not, however, make up for the gay witchhunt in the seminaries. I'm still calling him Pope Prada until he calls that off.
Oh, mama, can this really be the end?
how about some props for the leadership at NASA telling the Bush Ministry of Truth goons to go fuck themselves.
NASA has a new leader. Hopefully things will continue to improve.
Is she now a goth queen?
I'd bee in her colony annnnnytime.
Ah, you can just put it on the list of things to read about when you retire.
i have my retirement all picked out. it's six feet long, four wide, six deep.
blerb like I said we must disagree.
lets leave it at that.
I'd bee in her colony annnnnytime.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
NO FLIRTING!
...enjoy your little core group of posters, because apparently if you do not agree with them 100 p--
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzz...
Yep. Dude fucked up the Doobie Brothers when he changed them from a funky guitar based band into a bunch of freaking lounge lizards.
Billy B |
He is the Mike Love of the Doobie Brothers.
Nepal under reign of terror as king unleashes army to crush revolt
Maoists and restless politicians threaten his throne. Now the autocrat is turning to torture and murder, reports Ed Douglas from Kathmandu
In the medieval Durbar Square in Kathmandu, a young man approached to apologise for what was about to erupt. 'It's the situation, you see,' he said. 'Politics here very bad.' Seconds later, bricks crashed around us, beginning days of violent protest by demonstrators bitterly opposed to the autocratic rule of King Gyanendra, who seized power on 1 February last year with army backing.
eleanor
blerb like I said we must disagree.
lets leave it at that.
Okay, I'll shut up now.
two thirds favor single payer.
yet the dems won't touch the issue.
The rethugs might call them "socialists."
It pisses me off.
without stupid comments like "you are dead to me now".
i think that's actually from the colbert report. it might not have been meant the way you took it.
I'd bee in her colony annnnnytime.
Well, me too.
She is still teh hot.
blerb like I said we must disagree.
lets leave it at that.
What? No big farewell speech, bitching about how anyone who doesn't agree with blerb 100% is driven off?
What happened to the Eschaton I used to know???
NO FLIRTING!
Flirting is permissible during Sci-Fi blogging. It is Carnival. Very Bakhtin & shit.
That's sad: So good luck in your little realm. I now depart for independent land. I will turn in my democratic party card on Monday.
Keystone Blues
He makes a tiny point, but I think Americans have become a people to whom holding strong opinions, other than about Jebus or the stock market, is foreign.
That doesn't bode well for us. People afraid to do democracy. Whole generations of people who've lost understanding of a great gift: the Constitution.
i dont remember what happened to pigboy. Maybe I was traveling that day.
As to last night, the actors decided to go Kareoke after the show. I hate that routine...but it is an excuse to drink too much.
This black guy is toast.
What happened to the Eschaton I used to know???
dave
==
The one from three minutes ago?
The rethugs might call them "socialists."
It pisses me off.
The funny thing is that the first president that tried to put a national health care system in front of congress (this failed to even get through committee if I remember this right) was Richard M. Nixon, who was not a socialist as far as I know.
Geez - just look in and see you heartless bastards have beaten another poor poster to death and driven him from the party. Dang you all to heck! OTOH, perhaps he can find a new home at Deborah Howell's blog.
Keystone Blues, a suggestion. Please break your comment(s) into paragraphs. That was too dense to read. So I didn't.
Okay, I'll shut up now.
And you! No flaming accusations of trollness?
This place is getting soft...
Iran crisis 'could drive oil over $90'
Prices climb ahead of critical week as nuclear row escalates. Opec says it won't increase quotas to cover for production shutdown
Oil markets are braced for a nail-biting week, as world leaders demand action against Iran over its nuclear ambitions, and analysts warn that crude prices could reach $90 a barrel if the oil-rich state retaliates by blocking supplies.
Threadbot's been rather erratic lately. I hope everything is OK in the Bot home.
realize it's
true worth.
Troublemaker - 9:28 pm
sittin here wonderin about the price
ya gotta pay to get outta
going through all these thngs twice
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka |
ya have to pay double boys. twice the goin rate. and i hate to say it, but you have to believe it really matters. it's not my style, but in this case it does.
never been one of those proud to be an American types, but always glad i was born here.
is it time for a new thread?
The one from three minutes ago?
Those were the days... you kids can't even imagine!
What? No big farewell speech, bitching about how anyone who doesn't agree with blerb 100% is driven off?
What happened to the Eschaton I used to know???
God knows nobody has ever been driven off for not agreeing with me.
jello,
I love Eleanor.
But it's not my choice and I like Emma, too. I'm going to tell me g/daughter (it it's a girl) all about Emma Goldman.
"You're the entemologist, you tell me!"
The dialogue is up to Sci-Fi standards, clearly.
The funny thing is that the first president that tried to put a national health care system in front of congress (this failed to even get through committee if I remember this right) was Richard M. Nixon, who was not a socialist as far as I know.
They are not particularly prone to logic, you know.
Threadbot's been rather erratic lately. I hope everything is OK in the Bot home.
I hear Mrs. Bot ditched NBot...
"You're the entemologist, you tell me!"
The dialogue is up to Sci-Fi standards, clearly.
Man, that bugs me!
Now, that is surprising. It does not, however, make up for the gay witchhunt in the seminaries. I'm still calling him Pope Prada until he calls that off.
geor3ge
I'm wondering just where he thinks he's going to keep getting new priests if he forbids any more gay ones. Annulment has always struck me as vaguely hypocritical. Since they are more or less given to just about everyone who applies for one, there is in effect "Catholic divorce." The process is time-consuming and bureaucratic, but it can be done. I guess, though, any moves Benny makes towards loosening up the rules a bit should be welcomed.
"you are dead to me now".
I was the idiot that made that statement. He'd made a weird snark that I then didn't feel like responding to him anymore tonight. I'm trying to hold off of the narcotics and so, will avoid any strong confrontation at this time.
The dialogue is up to Sci-Fi standards, clearly.
The science babe isn't blonde, but she'll do.
because apparently if you do not agree with them 100 percent of the time, you are not welcome.
hmm. that's too bad. ocf course, moonbootica and blerb have been disagreeing all night. i've been disagreeing with a bunch o folks baout the nature of statism and tribalism and human nature. many of us have actually posted the words "i have to disagree with you" on this thread.
some of us must just have thicker skin than others.
sorry to lose you.
He obviously had no sense of humor. Must work for Gannett Co.
He obviously had no sense of humor. Must work for Gannett Co.
Whole generations of people who've lost understanding of a great gift: the argument.
have skunk
Disagreement is no longer seen as a process to reach new understanding.
The fractures in society are not cause by disagreement, but by the lack thereof.
"i have my retirement all picked out. it's six feet long, four wide, six deep."
--dirk gently, of course
I've staked out a spot under the Henley Street Bridge. With global warming, I might be okay.
Chris Matthews is making $20,000 to $50,000 a speech?
To utter the inanities that he does?
It's no wonder he's betrayed his Democratic roots.
His audiences want to hear Bushboy/Gooper lies.
God knows nobody has ever been driven off for not agreeing with me. -blerb
That is so untrue I can no longer stand to be here.
That's a fake looking wasp hive.
I can't believe the black guy is still alive.
That's not argument, it's just contradiction.
No, it's not!
I hate it when scientists create genetically modified wasps with supervenom. That sucks.
gotta go back to the theater. no drink fest tonight though. took till noon to wake, eat and start moving.
I'm trying to hold off of the narcotics and so, will avoid any strong confrontation at this time.
doug
doug, that can make anyone irritable.
Hope you feel better.
Chris Matthews is making $20,000 to $50,000 a speech?
To utter the inanities that he does?
That's the racket- speaking fees.
two thirds favor single payer.
yet the dems won't touch the issue.
The rethugs might call them "socialists."
It pisses me off.
too many dems are in the pocket of pharma and insurance.
which pisses me off even more.
I could win tickets to see Air Supply. They're playing at a casino up north of the TC's.
Where, exactly, is this? My wife really likes Air Supply (believe it or not)...
I'm wondering just where he thinks he's going to keep getting new priests if he forbids any more gay ones.
Commonweal has a fine commentary by a pseudonymous gay priest.
some 'regulars' evolve into bullies.
Unfortunately, I did not invoke you sufficiently and will have to call a repair person on Monday. But I tried.
Hecate Malificent -9:31 pm
was/is your apartment/house furnace out?
sometimes the only fix is replacement...thermocouples are in that category...
iirc, furnace pilot units are generally unitary...they'll take out the whole unit and replace it, i reckon...it shouldn't cost THAT much...didja get an estimate? or is it a management co? or is it covered (whew)?
just askin'
I hate it when scientists create genetically modified wasps with supervenom. That sucks.
Thers
yes, yes, it does.
That is so untrue I can no longer stand to be here.
JeffCO
==
Stop it JeffCO! Right now! Leave JeffCo alone or I'm so fucking out of here!
Oh, have skunk, formfactor and caliber depend on purpose. If you need an area effect weapon a deer rifle won't cut it.
will avoid any strong confrontation at this time.
doug
come over here and say that!
Atrios, enjoy your little core group of posters, because apparently if you do not agree with them 100 percent of the time, you are not welcome.
I just haven't found this to be true. I disagree with people in here all the time, but I usually find a more or less civilized way to do it. It's only the trolls who really are teh suck.
I hate it when scientists create genetically modified wasps with supervenom. That sucks.
Me too.
Okay, this news reporter bitch needs to be swarmed.
This movie seems to have hornets and yellowjackets kinda mixed-up.
This reporter woman looks like she weighs about 35 pounds wet.
That doesn't bode well for us. People afraid to do democracy. Whole generations of people who've lost understanding of a great gift: the Constitution.
have skunk | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:37 pm
Bingo. Actual democracy is raucous, rambunctious and often contentious. Apparently we have to all assimilate with IT from A Wrinkle in Time so we can do away with those annoying differing viewpoints.
Executive guy sure has some wimpy looking barbells. But he has a big-ass spotter.
I hate it when scientists create genetically modified wasps with supervenom. That sucks.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
no, vacuums suck.
and if ou don't agree, i am so out of here, you big bully.
that can make anyone irritable.
It's not addiction, (I don't think) but I've been on them for about three weeks and think it's time to wean myself off unless things start to hurt again.
I just haven't found this to be true. I disagree with people in here all the time
I cannot agree.
Money is the root of all evil.
And the Bushboy administration proves it.
too many dems are in the pocket of pharma and insurance.
which pisses me off even more.
Yeah. Me too.
Health care should not be a for-profit business.
Apparently we have to all assimilate with IT
the happiest sadist
/wallace
moonbats i must get some shut eye.
bye for now
Actually, I think "Dido" is about to make a huge comeback as a girls' name. I'd go with Ninon, as well.
This is so fucking stupid.
There are lots of folks on here that I don't agree with for whatever reason. I don't throw a damn pity party everytime I see a post I don't like; or when someone disagrees with me.
There are a million flavors of blogs out there. There's blogger. There's the damn news feed.
You don't like the tone? Leave. Simple as that. DLTDHYAOTWO.
and if ou don't agree, i am so out of here, you big bully.
Bio-FREAKING-fuels!
some 'regulars' evolve into bullies.
gary in fl
oh, puh-leeze. Grow skin.
Actually, I think "Dido" is about to make a huge comeback as a girls' name. I'd go with Ninon, as well.
Hecate Malificent
I'd prefer Lysistrata
I was the idiot that made that statement.
Don't be too hard on yourself - just scanning through this particular argument, I see nothing but a thickheaded obstinacy coming from KB, and then the implicitly offensive slam out of nowhere. No real attempt to engage, just repeated brief statments that he didn't get it, followed by a dramatic exit.
Looks to me like nothing more than garden-variety histrionics following a narcissistic injury known only to him. But what do I know?
Bingo. Actual democracy is raucous, rambunctious and often contentious. Apparently we have to all assimilate with IT from A Wrinkle in Time so we can do away with those annoying differing viewpoints.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Thanks Buckeye!
Now hand me those compound tin snips so I can make some more arrowheads out of these quarters...
moonbats i must get some shut eye.
bye for now
G'night.
Health care should not be a for-profit business.
I can't find it right now, but I recently read a report from the Kaiser Foundation, that indicated that their planners thought that health care in the USA was in trouble.
This movie has exposed the corruption that is the barbecue sauce industry, and for that we can all be profoundly grateful.
Where's SallyH?
I just haven't found this to be true. I disagree with people in here all the time
I cannot agree.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
You're being contrary.
No I'm not.
I hate it when scientists create genetically modified wasps with supervenom. That sucks.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
no, vacuums suck.
Wasp vacuums that buzz around your home, freeing you to do more important things?
Sweet old-fashioned girl name: Rosalie.
two thirds favor single payer.
yet the dems won't touch the issue.
one can make a corporatist argument out of this. supporting nationalized healthcare would make corporations like gm, ford, et al globally competitive. it's win/win.
Actually, I think "Dido" is about to make a huge comeback as a girls' name. I'd go with Ninon, as well.
Hecate Malificent
I'd prefer Lysistrata
Medea.
moonbats i must get some shut eye.
i disagree.
You don't like the tone? Leave.
Ya don't even have to do that. There's about a million people posting here. If you don't like what one of them is saying, you just don't talk to them.
some 'regulars' evolve into bullies.
Said the bully. Some trolls never evolve at all. Which might not be bad if they ever came close to making a real point once in a while.
Dear WGG,
I live in a house and I think this stove is from the late sixties early seventies??? My furnace and hot water heater, which are also gas, are working fine. But for some reason, I can't get the pilot lights to light. I can light the burners on the stove but can't get the pilot lights to light. I used the oven last night w/ no trouble, but today, when I came home from the grocery store to start cooking, the oven wouldn't start at all and I could only use the stove by lighting the burners each time i wanted to use them. Any advice gladly taken.
Actually, I think "Dido" is about to make a huge comeback as a girls' name.
looks too much like "dildo"
mrs dirk is fascinated w/ bad names. belongs to a group devoted to bad baby names. some are hilarious.
Now hand me those compound tin snips so I can make some more arrowheads out of these quarters...
have skunk | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:47 pm | #
No, I need those quarters for laundry. Would you like some kopeks instead?
Medea.
==
We've certainly been flooded with Jasons for awhile now....
Sweet old-fashioned girl name: Rosalie.
I do like that. My grandmother was named Adeline Phonetta. No kidding.
What happened to the Eschaton I used to know???
dave
i for one welcome our mellower and more benificent blogmasters, and will do what i can to placate them...
We've certainly been flooded with Jasons for awhile now....
And countless screaming Argonauts.
dave™
This place is getting soft...
ZZzzzzzzzzzzz...
My grandmother was named Adeline Phonetta. No kidding
==
Hecate - and you just know she spent her life spelling it.
No, I need those quarters for laundry. Would you like some kopeks instead?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Euros? Dinar? Centimes ... whichever. I'm an internationalist.
Sweet old-fashioned girl name: Rosalie.
I do like that. My grandmother was named Adeline Phonetta. No kidding.
Bro and sis-in-law named their daughter Nora, speaking of sweet and old-fashioned.
I can't believe the black guy is still alive 49 minutes into the movie.
My wifes grandparents on her mothers side were named Veda and Chellis.
Thanks for 2000, 2002, and 2004
Gary Ruppert |
Thanks for September 11, 2001, when your team was asleep at the switch.
Fucknozzle.
mrs dirk is fascinated w/ bad names. belongs to a group devoted to bad baby names. some are hilarious.
dirk gently, of course | Email | 01.28.06 - 9:51 pm | #
Baby's named a bad, bad thing?
THough I'm pretty sure I spoke too soon.
Any advice gladly taken.
Hecate Malificent | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:50 pm | #
all the pilots? that's unusual, they are usually on individual sensors. but maybe one line feeds them all.
my advice is don't mess with fixing gas appliances yourself if you aren't sure. if it was me, though, i'd trace back the pilot lines to where they all join together, take it apart, and possibly blow up the house. 'cause i hate service people.
Now hand me those compound tin snips so I can make some more arrowheads out of these quarters...
Actually, a friend who had been in the Air Force once showed me how to make a pretty viscious "knife" or arrow head out of a credit card. His point was that a lot of airport security is silly. Terrorists don't need boxcutters. A credit card cut in half diagonally would easily slit a throat.
My grandmother was named Adeline Phonetta. No kidding
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Hecate - and you just know she spent her life spelling it.
Isn't it kind of ironic the spelling of 'Phonetic' is not?
CHICAGO - Four Illinois pharmacists have sued U.S. drugstore chain Walgreen Co., saying they were wrongly fired for refusing to dispense the “morning-after” emergency contraceptive pill.
The four are represented by the American Center for Law and Justice, a conservative legal group founded by Christian evangelist Pat Robertson.
The suit, filed Friday in Madison County, Illinois, charges that the company violated the Illinois Health Care Right of Conscience Act, which allows health care providers to opt out of procedures they object to on moral grounds.
Question. Is there fire wood on the island?
isn't libertarian implied in progressive?
jello - 8:16 pm
libertarianism is an essentially selfish ideology...progressivism is essentially communitarian...
do the math?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
Which is why I'm happy with just a streak of the stuff. The grounding philosophy of Libertarianism seems to be "I don't wanna, you can't make me, go 'way, leave me alone, WAAAAHH!"
A Libertarian is basically an anarchist with a gray suit and a stock portfolio...
You don't like the tone? Leave.
Ya don't even have to do that. There's about a million people posting here. If you don't like what one of them is saying, you just don't talk to them.
blerb
You do need a thick skin. It's the internet. I mean...it's words on a screen. What do I care? The only time anyone (besides trolls) has really gotten my blood up was SWR, when he was doing his usual holier-than-thou liberal-baiting routine, and Incog, when he was on one of his drunken hetero-bashing rants. However, in the interests of peace, love and understanding, I have subsequently tried my best to be nice when they come around, because I agree with them far more than I disagree.
Trolls, on the other hand, can eat my ass, and then FOAD.
Thanks for 2000, 2002, and 2004
Gary Ruppert |
Thanks for September 11, 2001, when your team was asleep at the switch.
Fucknozzle.
wÒÓ†
And on vacation at the hobby ranch for a MONTH, the fucking idiot.
Keystone Blues | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:32 pm | #
worth reading. because in the end we only have one common goal.
and i liked pigboy.
comeback pigboy.
i know there are some hardcore leftists here. fine by me, but don't forget the bigtent. hell, i'm not very poitical at all.
it's all about the good fight.
Somebody doesn't like what I have to say? Fuck 'em.
Lurk...
Four Illinois pharmacists have sued U.S. drugstore chain Walgreen Co., saying they were wrongly fired for refusing to dispense the “morning-after” emergency contraceptive pill.
Good. The world needs more burger-flippers.
And countless screaming Argonauts.
They call me Dr. Worm. (I'm not a real doctor, but I am a real worm.)
Sweet old-fashioned girl name: Rosalie.
mena -- 9:49 pm
mother's mother, born circa 1890, was named Rosabelle...
Baby's named a bad, bad thing?
no, that's not the one. i can't think of it, she posts there pretty regularly. i don't think it's striclty BAD baby names, just baby names. but bad ones tend to take up the most space.
groovin with cheap alcohol bats
"Gruv" is 5.6% and it's Five for a Dollar at the local outlet for 8 ounce cans. Tastes a little like sweet margaritas.
Billy C Farlow useta sing a good song about doing the Truck Stop Bop.
"If you've gotta bop, pull over and stop, do the truck stop rock" or sumthin'.
Cu'nt find the lyrics tonite using Google. Must be some kind of Conspiracy.
We've certainly been flooded with Jasons for awhile now....
And countless screaming Argonauts.
geor3ge | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 9:52 pm | #
Agh, now I've got 'Birdhouse in Your Soul' going through my mind. Oh well, could be worse, could be something from Whitney Houston like 'I Wanna Dance with Somebody'
I can't believe the black guy is still alive 49 minutes into the movie.
four legs good
you know that shark movie with llcoolj? he made it to the end ok, but it pist me off the shark ate his parrot.
doug those posts seemed out of character, followed by some ovdious troll posts, probably the same person each instant
we ran off the wimp , he emerges again as others, only satisfied to cause as much doubt as he felt when he finally realized someone might call his house...
The grounding philosophy of Libertarianism seems to be "I don't wanna, you can't make me, go 'way, leave me alone, WAAAAHH!"
. . . which, coincidentally, is the opening theme song to the Neal Boortz show.
Michael Shanks has appeared. I guess if things get too hairy, he can dial up the Stargate.
The odd thing is, this comment section is so egalitarian that it doesn't matter if you're a regular, a troll, a long-time-lurker, what have you. You can take your time, check your spelling if you want to or not..then hit publish and you're there! Right up there in the stream next to NTodd, or Hecate, or pie, or WalterNeff, etc.... Heck, if you refresh the main page at the right time you could even be Frist!
Completely unrelated but does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me?
those are mighty big wasps.
And countless screaming Argonauts.
As an Alouettes fan, I found this post to be the sociopathic ranting of a bully.
I won't be back.
is that colin mockery getting stung to death?
A credit card cut in half diagonally would easily slit a throat.
You won't get out of paying them off that easily - not with the new laws!
Emma Jewel, my cousins' wife has that name.
Wow. You'd think we were going for a kiloton thread.
CHICAGO - Four Illinois pharmacists have sued U.S. drugstore chain Walgreen Co., saying they were wrongly fired for refusing to dispense the “morning-after” emergency contraceptive pill.
I cannot tell yu how much i look forward to the day when some pill counter refuses to fill a legal prescription because it violates his religion...
i will OWN that pharmacy in about two months...
...
Completely unrelated but does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me?
I've only ventured to employ it a couple of times. Perhaps you could be so kind as to educate me in its proper usage.
catalexis: It will jump teh shark when Fonzie says it jumps teh shark.
i liked pigboy to.
and i like evangenital.
Okay, this is getting silly. We need a new thread before this thing gets to 1K.
just driving by, noticed the thread was long in the tooth, So, thought I'd make a comment to kill it.
Missouri to be the next dover, pa.
http://tinyurl.com/dj56g
allows health care providers to opt out of procedures they object to on moral grounds.
Reprobate | 01.28.06 - 9:56 pm | #
While pharmacists can occasionaly help a patient understand meds and their interactions, they are not fucking health care providers. They know compounds, not medicine as a whole. WATBs.
is that colin mockery getting stung to death?
And is that Ryan Stiles behind him making buzzing noises into a microphone?
we ran off the wimp , he emerges again as others, only satisfied to cause as much doubt as he felt when he finally realized someone might call his house...
Mr.Murder
Call his house? It's a pleasant drive for me. Maybe drop in on some friends in Wasaga....
My daughter is in love with Michael Shanks.
Kiloton thread! let's do it!
A Libertarian is basically an anarchist with a gray suit and a stock portfolio...
Doozer
NYMary says Libertarians are Republicans who want to get high.
I say they're Republicans who want to secure safe, confidential abortions for their mistresses and slutty daughters.
I have to get to bed and read The Golden Compass for no other reason than it is too fucking cold to sit in my living room.
Here's some non-politican Wolcott.
Good night, Liberal Elitists.
Completely unrelated but does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me?
I thought it was just a rash of bad typing. I often trnasponse letetrs.
Completely unrelated but does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me? catalexis
it's jumped the couch.
wonder if walmart would bribe a few stooges to become grounds for lawsuits. Ralph Reed material is what it sounds like...
That was a very interesting event blogged by Matt Stoller. It does get frustrating to be treated like mere rabble.
Shark jumping has jumped the couch.
Thers--sorry, daughter and putative son in law were visiting. They have now departed, leaving me in peace to enjoy the yellow jackets.
I live in a house and I think this stove is from the late sixties early seventies??? My furnace and hot water heater, which are also gas, are working fine. But for some reason, I can't get the pilot lights to light. I can light the burners on the stove but can't get the pilot lights to light. I used the oven last night w/ no trouble, but today, when I came home from the grocery store to start cooking, the oven wouldn't start at all and I could only use the stove by lighting the burners each time i wanted to use them. Any advice gladly taken.
I have an old stove like that. It's bright pink so I have kept it. What I did for a similar problem was this: I bought some of those pipe cleaner wires and I cleaned out all the connections after lifting the top of the stove up. It fixed the problem, but I don't know if yours is the same.
But I had the same symptoms.
Four Illinois pharmacists have sued U.S. drugstore chain Walgreen Co., saying they were wrongly fired for refusing to dispense the “morning-after” emergency contraceptive pill.
What's stopping them from starting their own chain of Wingnuts-R-Us Pharmacies? Sheesh, go read Who Moved My Cheese? you damn crybabies.
[/free market wingnut]
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka | Email | 01.28.06 - 10:00 pm | #
yeah, i heard of that.
wrongfully fired for refusing to do their FUCKING JOB!!!!!!
which, iirc correctly, is required under illinois state law.
i will OWN that pharmacy in about two months...
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No fucking shit, Woody. The only reason I wish I were still taking the diabolical things.
We're off to buy a vacuum cleaner.
vacuum cleaners suck.
dirk gently, of course
-...and the fan says, "Blow me."
Oh it isn't that 'teh' is being used improperly, it's just that it's appearence is approaching Macarena or Achey-Breaky Heart proportions.
And I LIKE the Macarena.
Just sayin....
Jane at FDL just got off a conference call with Ted Kennedy and Kennedy's take is that the press has convinced the Dems in the Senate will have to face the music if they vote their conscience on Alito (meaning the maybe filibuster).
Obviously, the opposite is true and Tom Daschle may be the exception, not the rule. So go to Jane's place, get the phone number of your Senator and put some long distance calls on your bill.
Btw, for those of you just tuning in… New Assclowns of the Week is up, if anyone’s interested. On the spit this week: Tweety Mattehews, Pumpkinhead Russert, The Washington Post, The US Army, George Bush, Ann Coulter and many, many more.
does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me?
I'm not too het up about it.
moon, that wave eenergy machine could be used to illuminate the whole of NOLA, they could set up entire power grids in lak ptrain and as infrastructure to replace so of the wave breaking effects of depleted coastal wetlands...
think of it as a massive TVA sized project.
It is entirely feasable.
I bought some of those pipe cleaner wires and I cleaned out all the connections after lifting the top of the stove up.
i thought of that, but it wouldn't explain the oven pilot. at least, not if they all stopped working at once.
probably not related, but i read that govt standards on natural gas purity have been lowered, so you get less btu's per cubic foot and it doesn't burn as easily. of course the price per cf has gone up.
Well, I'd better go rub my wife's feet in the tub or something. The boy just got shipped off to Oma's. Later folks....
What's stopping them from starting their own chain of Wingnuts-R-Us Pharmacies?
Isn't it against the law for a qualified pharmacist to refuse to fill a lawful prescription? If it isn't, it should be. Those guys should have left the Wal-Mart in handcuffs.
anybody got an iSight camera?
What's stopping them from starting their own chain of Wingnuts-R-Us Pharmacies? Sheesh, go read Who Moved My Cheese? you damn crybabies.
[/free market wingnut]
Buzz Bomb | Email | 01.28.06 - 10:03 pm | #
I hate Who Moved My Cheese, a major racket that is.
"Completely unrelated but does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me?catalexis
you're on a slippery slope,cat.
I wish more people could except differences. It would make for an easier life for all of us.
mer
mer, dear, people already do this, which is the Problem.
I suck and I blow and that's all that I know.
That was a very interesting event blogged by Matt Stoller. It does get frustrating to be treated like mere rabble.
Tomato
You say 'mere rabble' like it's a bad thing.
.
I hate Who Moved My Cheese
How can anyone take a book with that title seriously?
But I had the same symptoms.
Echidne of the snakes - 10:03 pm
great idea...it's the place to start...
on a busy stove, the venturis of the pilots could get clogged pretty easily...
Echidne,
Thanks, I'll try that! I have really old appliances, but I'm hoping not to have to replace them for a few more years.
WalterNeff--wish I did, so I could bask in your handsomeness.
When you leave for Nelson, is young Miss Neff accompanying you?
He's gonna run DNA paternity tests on the dead yellowjacket? Cool.
The wasps are agressive because they're stuck-up.
Isn't it against the law for a qualified pharmacist to refuse to fill a lawful prescription?
it's state by state.
walgreens is one of the better pharmas because of their national policy. likewise cvs. target's policy is to let the pharma refuse if he/she recommends a more sinful pharmacy that will fill it (for which i am boycotting them).
iirc, the walgreen 4 actually were fired for refusing to sign an oath/contract stating that they would fulfill the perscriptions, not for actually refusing. but i might have heard it wrong.
teh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teh
Teh" is a common alternate spelling of the. This misspelling of the most common word in the English language is such a common typographical error that it is one of the words in the AutoCorrect lists of spellcheckers in popular word processing applications, such as Microsoft Word, OpenOffice.org Writer, Apple Pages, or Corel WordPerfect. It happens primarily for some, because the T and E are typed by the left hand on adjacent fingers in Qwerty, while the H is typed by the right, and in rapid typing, the T and E are often typed by the left hand in a drumming motion before the right can get the H in between the two. Conversely, overcompensating with the right hand can result in the misspelling "hte", which is also found in auto-corrects.
In the online slang known as Leet, it is deliberately used in place of the, and occasionally spelled t3h with a numeral 3 in place of e. Teh and t3h are the traditional spellings of the in the phrase "ph33r t3h ..." (Fear the...).
Besides being an alternate spelling of the, teh also has grammatical properties not generally applied to the; in general, it is used somewhat like an intensified "the". It can be used with proper names, as in "teh John"; compare the usage of the definite article in Greek: ο Ιωαννης (o Ioannes), literally "the John". A similar usage comes from colloquial German, where the definite article is used as a specifier to modify the noun: "Der Johann", again literally, "the John", could be used to identify John, and not Phil, as the subject performing a certain action. In Latin, the similar word ille and its declensions, which was at first an intensified article usually translated as "that", is the source of the derivations of the simple word for "the" and the personal pronouns (he, etc.) in the languages derived from Latin.
Furthermore, teh is sometimes used in front of a verb in a novel form of gerund. The best-known example of this is the word suck. Thus, the phrase this sucks can be converted into this is teh suck; the word pwn can be similarly converted (teh pwn). The above phrases are primarily used by the computer gaming community, and often intended humorously.
In English, the can be used as an intensifier for the superlative form of adjectives; compare "that is best" and "that is the best." Teh has a similar use as an intensifier for unmodified adjectives, generally marking a sarcastic tone. For example, "that is teh lame" translates as "that is the lamest." This contrasts with the use of the in English to construct mass nouns from adjectives, as in "blessed are the meek," where the meek denotes a class of people who are meek.
The widespread popularity of purposefully using Teh on Internet forums and other forms of communication most likely stemmed from the fictitious character JeffK, of the humour website Something Awful, who often misspelled words on his homepage in a parody of a certain stereotype of Internet user.
the press has convinced the Dems in the Senate will have to face the music if they vote their conscience on Alito
Dems who refuse to filibuster are dead to me now.
Little Neff stays behind - hence the iSight: free long distance video conferencing.
I have really old appliances, but I'm hoping not to have to replace them for a few more years.
My observation is that new appliances are not that expensive, but they also don't seem to last as long as the ones our parents owned. Laundry washing machines in particular, I've not had that much luck with.
Thers--speaking of paternity tests, are you absolutely sure that the newest liberal isn't NTodd's?
What's stopping them from starting their own chain of Wingnuts-R-Us Pharmacies?
I thought that CVS had that angle.
thanks for the link jurassic
I lost their link earlier today. so very glad to see Jane and Brad help with the cause. Suggested they contact her earlier today. The interaction of the net is what will make the movement so very strong.
thanks for the link jurassic
I lost their link earlier today. so very glad to see Jane and Brad help with the cause. Suggested they contact her earlier today. The interaction of the net is what will make the movement so very strong.
Why does the Charles-Barkley-looking exterminator live with the Ronald McDonald midget guy again?
I hate Who Moved My Cheese, a major racket that is.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
It's a "You're fired, tough shit, asshole, suck it up" book. If your company makes you read it, quit.
WalterNeff--I hope she is doing well.
The Who Moved My Cheese movie is a bit expensive:
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/...ucts/
Video.html
I wish more people could except differences.
i think the word is "accept", not "expect"
Young Turks video stream of the filibuster of the filibuster.
think of it as a massive TVA sized project.
Yes, and they could even, a la TVA, employ folks from NO to build it. There are some problems w/ fish, but they are not insurmountable. Wave energy, if you think about it, is a form of lunar energy. Which is very cool.
troll: Mommy, when I grow up, I wanna be a troll.
What would happen if EMTs and emergency rooms no longer had to treat anyone who got there because of behavior the emergency room staff considered to be stupid or careless?
A Libertarian is basically an anarchist with a gray suit and a stock portfolio...
Doozer | Email | 01.28.06 - 9:56 pm | #
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actually, a libertarian is a republican who smokes pot.
I thought that CVS had that angle.
Zap Rowsdower, Thought Cop
nope. cvs requires pharmacists to fill perscriptions.
"Someone has used your pesticide for some unauthorized field test!"
No, wait:
CVS is in the business of putting smaller pharmacies out of business.
I' m beginning to suspect that Gogol Bordello is playing in Philly tonight.
Hecate, you may have to clean separately for the oven pilot light. I can access mine by lifting off the bottom of the oven (the broiler is under it).
WalterNeff--wish I did, so I could bask in your handsomeness.
I'd rather bask in the glow of Ana Ng's majestic presence.
Little Neff stays behind - hence the iSight: free long distance video conferencing.
WalterNeff | 01.28.06 - 10:10 pm | #
She will be visiting often, yes? Did she consider joining you?
Pharmacists are fucking pilll counters, fer fux sake...
they get pills from big bottles and sispense them into smaller ones, carefully counting them in the process...
sometimes they mix fluids in given ratios.
neither of these activities requires more than rudimentary literary and arithmetic skills...
just fill the fucking prescription clancy...that's all ya gotta do...
Thers--speaking of paternity tests, are you absolutely sure that the newest liberal isn't NTodd's?
NTodd is still alive, so no, I don't think so. CF the Lout Codicils.
Where in the world do teenagers beg to habg out with the cool exterminators?
This is not a very well-run genetics lab...
The vent is still open - we've lost them - how many? - the entire swarm.
We are so sad.
The Who Moved My Cheese movie is a bit expensive:
However, the porn ripoff, "Who Moved My Head Cheese", is quite cheap.
Wave energy, if you think about it, is a form of lunar energy. Which is very cool.
Hecate Malificent
Yeah, and if they built one off the coast of Louisiana, it would be better because we don't have the spectacular coastline views like other states have. The ocean just empties into the swamps. No sandy beaches for the most part.
Teh" is a common alternate spelling of the. ...
Richard
Thanks! I'm glad I was using it more or less right, not making myself look even more square than I am.
really going to go rub wife's feet now.....
I've gotta bet the redheaded dude dies first.
Dems who refuse to filibuster are dead to me now.
Damn right, as well they should be.
http://www.saveroe.com/
fillmypil...cvsgetsthumbsup
“CVS pharmacies fill prescriptions for all lawful, valid birth control medications, including emergency contraceptives. As you know, some pharmacies, including at least one major national retailer with pharmacy operations, do not carry emergency contraceptives. That is not our policy. CVS pharmacists are required to ensure that all prescriptions, including birth control medications, are dispensed.”
for some reason, walgreens has a thimbs down now. they were thumbs up last time i checked.
Buckeye: short little neff: not interested.
The Who Moved My Cheese movie is a bit expensive:
The "Who Cut the Cheese?" movie will be filmed in Romania and shown on Scifi Saturday Night.
Those pharmacists just want to feel like self-righteous martyrs.
Pharmacists are fucking pilll counters, fer fux sake...
they get pills from big bottles and sispense them into smaller ones, carefully counting them in the process...
sometimes they mix fluids in given ratios.
neither of these activities requires more than rudimentary literary and arithmetic skills...
just fill the fucking prescription clancy...that's all ya gotta do...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka | Email | 01.28.06 - 10:13 pm |
You're talking about pharm techs or in some locations pharmceutical robots.
(kei's possibly going into pharmacy or pharmacology)
What would happen if EMTs and emergency rooms no longer had to treat anyone who got there because of behavior the emergency room staff considered to be stupid or careless?
kei & yuri | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 10:11 pm | #
or unpatriotic?
now if I can get my other three siblings to make the move that would be super cool. Phyllis already bought a horse.
What are you guys watching...Sci-Fi?
I should've known.
Jane's on.
Pharmacists are fucking pilll counters, fer fux sake...
Hardly. They gotta make all those moral judgments, too. That's hard work, as their Dear Leader would say.
Yeah, and if they built one off the coast of Louisiana
How 'bout a hurricane-proof floating windfarm? You could suck up enough energy in 3 months to light the Gulf Coast for a year.
Now someone's gonna whip out their slipstick and prove me wrong...
Dems who refuse to filibuster are dead to me now.
They are dead to me and, more to the point, they are dead to my checkbook.
"Dems who refuse to filibuster are dead to me now."
Damn right, as well they should be.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 10:15 pm |
Hell yeah! Refusing to filibuster Alito is like being on some junket in the Caribbean and refusing to read constituent mail; it's past craven and on into the lazy!
Can't talk. Eating.
Buckeye: short little neff: not interested.
WalterNeff | 01.28.06 - 10:15 pm | #
Really, so does that mean you can adopt me? I won't even live at 'home' and use up precious resources that you'll have to pay for, I'll be in Wellington.
troll: Mommy, when I grow up, I wanna be a troll.
Ô¿Ô
They'll never grow one.
And they will never BE anything.
"Dems who refuse to filibuster are dead to me now."
Oh yeah.
Okay, so...
The bees are on the rampage, and the crazy overkill pest control guy and his redheaded moron sidekick are going off half-cocked and are about to do something that will make the bees, like, nukular-powered if Carol Alt and Vaguely-Familiar-Looking-Science-Dude can't stop them?
Do I have that about right, or do I need a more comprehensive briefing?
What would happen if EMTs and emergency rooms no longer had to treat anyone who got there because of behavior the emergency room staff considered to be stupid or careless?
How about Christian Scientist surgeons?
Over a kilo now .... she kenna take much more, captain.
Me too.
Okay, this news reporter bitch needs to be swarmed.
four legs good
-I think she will be hit on before the movie ends...but I could be wrong.
Wait...I went out over two hours ago and there is the same thread?
WTF?
Hi bats!
They'll never grow up, I meant to say
Eli--I'm not sure it's that complicated.
Carol Alt has been dressed throughout the movie.
Oh no!
Bees!!!
I love the BeeVision, of course.
we need a new thread for this swarm flick. this one takes too long to refresh.
Completely unrelated but does anybody else think "teh" has jumped the shark or is it just me?
catalexis
I think for most of us over-50 types, that is probably true. But the kids like it...
This is the never-ending thread. And to think I just got here.
To y'all that remember the 70's, sit ol' Zap on your lap and tell me what it was like. I was only around for the last five years of it.
How could you spawn a band like Paper Lace?
Or perhaps I should call them BeeOV shots...
We are now a kiloton thread.
The bees are on the rampage, and the crazy overkill pest control guy and his redheaded moron sidekick are going off half-cocked and are about to do something that will make the bees, like, nukular-powered if Carol Alt and Vaguely-Familiar-Looking-Science-Dude can't stop them?
You are so hopelessly lost. you know NOTHING of the whole expose of the corrupt barbecue sauce industry.
Bees make slurpee/bird noises?
Eli: I love the BeeVision, of course.
Yeah, how come monsters always have such distorted vision? They would be more effective at attacking their victims if they could see better!
wgg - my late brother in law was an excellent pharmacist. as it happens, after his business partner ripped him off and he lost his own store, he went to work for cvs. but never lost his small town feel.
a good pharmecist does more than measure pills. he often knows more about drug interactions and side effects than the docs who perscribe the pills, and if he is any good he uses that knowledge to help folks, and occasionally save a life or two.
i can't tell you how many times he went out of his way to help his customers - staying late to provide needed medicine, explaining doseage and side effects to watch for to senior citizens who had trouble reading the fine print, calling docs and discussing interactions and dosage concerns. his customers loved him, and when he transferred b/t stores many went out of their way to see him at the new location.
and cvs, to their credit, often and publically recognized his efforts. even when it didn't make them an extra dime.
the cvs near me, on the other hand, sucks.
the pharmecist really makes the store.
Carol Alt has been dressed throughout the movie.
Harrumph.
Go, bee! Kill the selfish out-of-touch mayor! It's, like, poetic justice or something!
Ooh, bees and meat!
"We are now a kiloton thread."
Sallyh,
I was just noticing the huge number of comments -- your comment is apt!
cannort play, server too busy
I refuse to comment on a tired old thread that's over 1K.
Right in the eyes!
Can we unleash these guys on Senate Republicans?
You are so hopelessly lost. you know NOTHING of the whole expose of the corrupt barbecue sauce industry.
I am the walrus!
I am the walrus!
Cool, a sting right in the eye!
Ooh, bees and meat!
That can't be kosher.
Sallyh: Can we unleash these guys on Senate Republicans?
Or on some conservative supremes?
Or Ann Coulter?
Dirk--the Rite Aid at my corner has great pharmacists and a helpful staff. This is why they've had my business for the last 15 years; the same people that were there then are still there.
Four Illinois pharmacists have sued U.S. drugstore chain Walgreen Co., saying they were wrongly fired for refusing to dispense the “morning-after” emergency contraceptive pill.
You don't wanna do your job?
Bye!
If the mutant yellowjackets want to kill corrupt republican politicians, who should stand in their way?
Pharmacists are fucking pilll counters, fer fux sake...
When your "pill doc" GP prescribes wrongly-interacting drugs, guess who catches it?
Riesz--I'm not picky.
I eat my bees with honey
I've done so all my life
It makes the bees taste funny
But it keeps them on the knife.
What would happen if EMTs and emergency rooms no longer had to treat anyone who got there because of behavior the emergency room staff considered to be stupid or careless?
kei & yuri
When my mother was ill, we had to make several trips to the ER. Every single time, the person in the bed next to her was some dumbass who got drunk, fell down, and hurt himself. The staff, though, were pros...they would say "You had a little fall tonight. Do you remember what happened?" Talk the poor guy through. Imagine waking up in the ER, not knowing how you got there...that's gotta suck.
I guess, though, in Wingnut World they should just be refused care because they got themselves drunk and their injuries were their own damn fault. Fuckin' chuck their drunk asses to the curb, right?
(Cue troll who agrees...)
Carol Alt has been dressed throughout the movie.
Time to switch to alt.carol.undressed
To y'all that remember the 70's, sit ol' Zap on your lap and tell me what it was like. I was only around for the last five years of it.
Sweetie,
You can sit on my lap anytime, but I had a baby in 73, got divorcedin 75, graduated from college and started teaching high school in 78 and got a masters degree in 80. I don't remember very much of the 70s.
1,017? Yikes!
Any movie that has both Carol Alt *and* Tim Thomerson cannot possibly be less than godawesome.
Hecate--when did you get your JD?
what's the buzz
tell me what's a-happening
what's the buzz
tell me what's a-happening
what's the buzz
tell me what's a-happening
why should you want to know
don't you worry 'bout the future
who and when and where and why
if you knew the road we travelled
you'd understand it less than i
Okay, so...
The bees are on the rampage, and the crazy overkill pest control guy and his redheaded moron sidekick are going off half-cocked and are about to do something that will make the bees, like, nukular-powered if Carol Alt and Vaguely-Familiar-Looking-Science-Dude can't stop them?
Do I have that about right, or do I need a more comprehensive briefing?
Eli
-You're down...but if the Jafaa (sp) show up, I'm outta here.
ever since I lost the thread this morning, had it running over 24 hours straight...have not been able to log on again.
In re: catalexis v teh
Having reviewed the amici briefs submitted by Richard et al it is the consensus of the conference that the submissions are dispositive and the writ of certiori is DIGed.
Go, bee! Kill the selfish out-of-touch mayor! It's, like, poetic justice or something!
Do not FUCK with the evil barbecue sauce mob. Or mutant yellowjackets will eat your eyes!
I like that this film has a moral center.
If the mutant yellowjackets want to kill corrupt republican politicians, who should stand in their way?
Indeed.
I'm just amazed the black guy is still alive. What kind of fucking sci-fi movie is this?
Oh my!! that was cool! Eyeball action.
Great. She's gonna shoot it with shot gun. There's a plan.
Wait...I went out over two hours ago and there is the same thread?
WTF?
Hi bats!
Vicki
ta-ta
The first color picture from the new EU weather sat. The color is still a bit strange, but the resolution is amazing.
Note, this image is over 4 megs in size
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/
ima...msg2_1st_02.jpg
I hate to nitpick, but I really don't think a shotgun is a very effective anti-bee weapon...
K&Y:
you must know i know the difference between pharmacology and retail pharmacy dispensation. a retail pharmacist is there to provide a license by which accountability for controlled substances is allegedly assured...
but i cannot think why a pharmacologist would be working in a retailpharmacy, making judgments on the mora fitness of prescriptions, or their role in providing them...
one of my best pals in the world is a veterinary pharmacology ph.d. and one of the most skilled diagosticians you'd ever wanna meet...just sayin'
Well, that light fixture certainly deserved to die.
Are shotguns the most effective anti-yellowjacket tool?
Unless her plan was to drop a chandelier on the bee, which seems problematic as well.
Damn! A vegan that's packing!
Uh-oh!
Eli,
For those of us without cable to enable us to join you watching the Sci-Fi Channel, I appreciate you bringing us up-to-date with commentary on tonight's movie.
Eli--would it be more effective if she took her bra off?
The first color picture from the new EU weather sat.
Kewl! Thanks doug.
Dirk--the Rite Aid at my corner has great pharmacists and a helpful staff. This is why they've had my business for the last 15 years; the same people that were there then are still there.
I go to a fantastic local pharmacy called Tschiffely's. They remember me. The pharmasist tells me what vitamins to take extra of while I'm on certain drugs. He recommends holistic approaches that work. When I was on chemotherapy he was extra nice to me. i get emails all the time from my insurance co about how I can get cheap prescriptions over the web, but I'll keep going to Tschiffely's, thanks.
You can sit on my lap anytime, but I had a baby in 73, got divorcedin 75, graduated from college and started teaching high school in 78 and got a masters degree in 80. I don't remember very much of the 70s.
Hecate
/curls up next to Hecate (don't tell Zapette)
But...Paper Lace??? WTF?
Wait a second - the bees are hearing *voices*???
Schizophrenic bees???
I hate to nitpick, but I really don't think a shotgun is a very effective anti-bee weapon...
I think it's an excellent tool for killing bad decor.
Eli--would it be more effective if she took her bra off?
Do you suppose it's large enough swat bees, er, yellowjackets with?
Are shotguns the most effective anti-yellowjacket tool?
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
No. Try cheap hairspray. It petrifies them in midair.
All this talk of bees makes me think of that Holllywood classic, "the Swarm"...
"I never thought it would turn out to be the bees - they've always been
our friends!" - Michael Caine
"I always credit my enemy, no matter what he may be, with equal intelligence" -General Richard Widmark's assessment of his honey producing insect opponents. His character would do well in Rumsfeld's military, I would imagine.
Some pharmacologists do internships at drugstores. A friend of mine did.
Wait...I went out over two hours ago and there is the same thread?
no worries. before long we will get four in rapid succession.
Is the Sci-Fi movie a comedy? I'm getting such a kick out of your comments!
This sheriff deserves to get his eyeball eaten.
"We're not shuttin' the cook-off down and that's final!"
I hate to nitpick, but I really don't think a shotgun is a very effective anti-bee weapon...
Au Contraire. It seemed to work OK in the movie, even if it required 4 shells for one wasp, and the kill shot was a lucky shot. If you actually hit the damn wasp, you vaporize it. Pretty damn effective, if you ask me.
I hate to nitpick, but I really don't think a shotgun is a very effective anti-bee weapon...
you need to use very fine shot.
200 guage should do it.
Alright, now the mayor's getting swarmed!
But...Paper Lace??? WTF?
Zap Rowsdower, Thought Cop | Email | Homepage | 01.28.06 - 10:28 pm |
Paper Lace's The Night Chicago Died may have bad geography, but it's still better than Torn Between Two Lovers or The Morning After.
Wait a second - the bees are hearing *voices*???
Every bad horror movie has to have its "Jason(ason-ason-ason) kill(ill-ill-ill)" moment. It's in the contract. Whether it makes sense or not.
Ahhhhh- karma arrives!!
Mace the fuckers!
Whoops. That doesn't appear to be working.
pepper spraying wasps.
How could you spawn a band like Paper Lace?
Zap Rowsdower, Thought Cop
you hit "~" to open the console, type GIVE ITEM_FUCKINGAWFULBAND
hit enter, and "~" again to close the console.
You can sit on my lap anytime, but I had a baby in 73, got divorcedin 75, graduated from college and started teaching high school in 78 and got a masters degree in 80. I don't remember very much of the 70s.
Hecate
Damn! Well, you've made excellent use of your time!
I graduated from high school in 1978, college in 1982, and the rest of it has been corporate America/relationships/marriage/child/divorce/
relationships/celibacy.
Go, bee! Kill the selfish out-of-touch mayor! It's, like, poetic justice or something!
This movie is like Jaws, only with yellowjackets.
Why can't you use Mace on bees? Wouldn't mace kill bees?
He's obviously a Repuke mayor.
(was)
The can of mace that the sherrif had, on the other hand, didn't seem to do the job.
Do you suppose it's large enough swat bees, er, yellowjackets with?
Why is it that *every* movie with flying insects always has people shooting at them with guns? It doesn't even make *sense*!
I think flamethrower is pretty much your best choice, but it's not really standard police issue.
Did the thread bots batteries die?
.
I'm enjoying the movie too, you guys. No doubt more than if I was actually watching it.
I went to a pro-life rally this afternoon.
It could have been improved with a swarm.
doug,
What a lovely planet! Her people should take good care of her! Where will they ever find another as lovely??
Paper Lace's The Night Chicago Died may have bad geography, but it's still better than Torn Between Two Lovers or The Morning After.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yes, but then so was The Bertha Butt Boogie...
That was mace? It hought he was shooting at them.
I guess I'm just conditioned...
eli -
yes, if it is a b cup
And why is every scene involves someone eating? You would think everyone in town would weigh 700 lbs. Except for the bitchy newscaster. She never eats anything.
The police need to be armed with better anti-bee legislation. "Three swats and you're out"! Call your Representative.
better than Torn Between Two Lovers or The Morning After.
My pharmacist refused to dispense The Morning After pill because I inadvertently mentioned I was Torn Between Two Lovers.
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made. The only thing that could suck even more is...well, the next State of the Union speech.
Did the thread bots batteries die?
it got worn out earlier issuing a new thread every 5 minutes.
Why is Ford advertising on this channel?
"I'm enjoying the movie too, you guys. No doubt more than if I was actually watching it."
Mena,
You may be right -- we're hearing a comedy, but they're watching something different. I must say, though, it's almost enough to get me to check into cable, just to be able to participate in the comments.
for the cable-challenged, it's new moon, and way starry.
I don't remember very much of the 70s.
If you remember the 70s, you weren't there. No, wait...
My pharmacist refused to dispense The Morning After pill because I inadvertently mentioned I was Torn Between Two Lovers.
Why is it that *every* movie with flying insects always has people shooting at them with guns? It doesn't even make *sense*!
-You use the weapon you have, not the one you want.
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made
WOLVERINES!!!
whoosh a little anhydrous ammonia at the bees. That'll get them.
Except for the bitchy newscaster. She never eats anything.
Mark B. | 01.28.06 - 10:34 pm | #
which is why she hasn't been attacked. yellow jackets attracted to picnics.
you can buy a yellow jacket trap and bait it with strips of lunchmeat. works great.
for the cable-challenged, it's new moon, and way starry.
It's cloudy here.
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made. The only thing that could suck even more is...well, the next State of the Union speech.
By a strange coincidence, Dubya is watching it as well, to get himself psyched up.
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made. The only thing that could suck even more is...well, the next State of the Union speech.
If Bush yells, "WOLVERINES!" in the SOTU, we are truly fucked.
Did the thread bots batteries die?
it got worn out earlier issuing a new thread every 5 minutes.
The threadbot that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long...
Okay, why is she crying?
The guy was an asshole.
No. Try cheap hairspray. It petrifies them in midair.
Pitchforks and Torches | 01.28.06 - 10:29 pm | #
Yes! And then you light them on fire!
Works well with spiders, also.
"what happened here?"
"it was horrible, horrible."
apparently, that answered the question.
"I blew it to kindgom come."
Good for you, girlie! You're so brave!
truthfully, to kill bees & wasps, make a super soap, spray them with that. The soap washes the protective wax from their thorax and the water drowns them.
Doozer, ???
Hecate:
You're the online mother that I've never had.
Why is it that *every* movie with flying insects always has people shooting at them with guns? It doesn't even make *sense*!
And that includes the giant ones in Starship Troopers. Hopping, flying, faster than you can turn to follow--kinda like the "Stormtrooper Shuffle" if you've ever played Jedi Knight. You can't shoot at them with popguns, idiots! Stand back and nuke the fuckers! Right there, I just about lost it...
This barbecue should be killed just because of his fucking shirt.
"Yes! And then you light them on fire!"
What about collateral damage?
"I blew it to kindgom come."
Good for you, girlie! You're so brave!
Eli
Oddly enough, she did the same for me!
barbecue sauce!
brings to mind carrol's restaurant in tucson. always a bottle of bbq sauce on the table. even if you ordered ice cream.
Yes! And then you light them on fire!
Works well with spiders, also.
I wonder if bleach works.
Tilex works great on giant flying roaches.
Tim Thomerson sure takes his barbecue seriously.
Barbecue sauce corrupts, ultimate barbecue sauce corrupts absolutely.
Entemology professors get to declare martial law. Boo. English professors should get to do that.
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made. The only thing that could suck even more is...well, the next State of the Union speech.
OMFG
I love Red Dawn. Harry Dean Stanton yelling "Avenge me!" from the concentration camp. The boys drinking deer blood as a rite of passage. Finding the hot girls hiding in the cellar, and taking them along for "safekeeping" (yeah, right!) The round-up of all the local gun owners, whose names and addresses are all conveniently on file thanks to stupid liberal laws. And of course, the opening scene. Because of course the very first thing invading paratroopers are going to do is shoot up the local high school, right? Classic.
The black guy has a slight resemblance to Damon Wayans.
truthfully, to kill bees & wasps, make a super soap, spray them with that. The soap washes the protective wax from their thorax and the water drowns them.
1watt Hermit | Email | 01.28.06 - 10:37 pm | #
and when you are done, they are clean enough to eat.
Hecate:
You're the online mother that I've never had.
I think you're a little younger than my son, who is 32.
Why is it that *every* movie with flying insects always has people shooting at them with guns?
==
Because no one has invented the semiautomatic swatter yet.
Yes, but then so was The Bertha Butt Boogie...
Doozer | Email | 01.28.06 - 10:33 pm | #
Bertha Butt, one of the Butt sisters?
Thanks for 2000, 2002, and 2004
Gary Ruppert |
I wish someone would've given his mother emergency contraception.
Moron!
Eli: Tim Thomerson sure takes his barbecue seriously.
He's going to get swarmed. Fucker.
Tilex works great on giant flying roaches.
I prefer screaming and running away, and letting the cat take care of them...
No cat now, but no flying roaches, either. Mainly just the occasional centipede. Guh.
"Can you believe this guy?"
That line of dialogue must violate a corollary of Tom Servo's Rule Number One: "Never show a good movie in the middle of your crappy movie."
Wahoo, I just looked outside and there is about 2 inches of fresh snow on the ground. About time, we've been having spring weather in January.
Cool! he has a flame thrower.
no filibuster for you cunts.
bdg
Charming!
The flamethrower has arrived, just as predicted.
If the swarm comes here it's going to be really, really bad!!
No shit.
This YellowjacketVision really makes me feel like a yellowjacket myself.
Wow, that van was *really* flame-resistant...
flame thrower. much better.
brings to mind goodman in aracnaphobia.
Sally - are you home?
Entemology professors get to declare martial law. Boo. English professors should get to do that.
Thers, our grammer overlord. (I'm so screwed)
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made. The only thing that could suck even more is...well, the next State of the Union speech.
OMFG
The worst movie of all time was released about 1980, and was titled "Star Crash." It was a low-budget Sci-Fi movie complete with bimbos and cheap props purchased at Kaybee. It was excruciating. My friends and I didn't leave and ask for our money back... we stayed until the end dissing everything about the film...and laughing uproariously.
Red Dawn is great. It is the Turner Diary of the eighties survivalist "ur-Red State" American. Behold the brown-skins swarming up from south of the border! Behold the Brady nuts' list at the hardware store used by the invaders to hunt down gun owners! Behold Russians perplexed by the exact climate they live in! Behold the token black history teacher blasted by an antitank soulder rocket for no apparent reason!!
This is amazing.
1 hour and 37 minutes in and the black guy still lives.
Must be some kind of record.
"...the oven wouldn't start at all and I could only use the stove by lighting the burners each time i wanted to use them."
Hecate,
I had a similar problem you mentioned with my old oven (probably about 25 years old). A stove repairman came out and replaced a part in the oven itself to enable the pilot light to connect with the oven. Also, he mentioned that it takes a couple of minutes for the oven to actually light up and to wait for it to happen instead of automatically assuming there's something wrong with it if you don't see the flame start immediately. There's some delay mechanism that is a safety measure.
hatman's radio link is doing live simulcast for da youngish turks!
i for one welcome our gramma overlords.
bdg,
You like the word "cunt," don't you. Is that because you've never had the opportunity to eat one?
Vicki
I'm betting he's never even seen one!
Not watching the movie, but I always just tell the yellow jackets to leave me alone, and they do. So do other flying things. Obey me, that is. That's what made me realize that I might be a goddess.
Miss Tasty Barbecue Sauce looks kinda underage...
The black guy has a slight resemblance to Damon Wayans.
The black guy is still alive? Unpossible!
if nothing else, this movie has alerted us to the perils of barbecue sauce related public events.
*SOB*
THATN YOU, SCI-FI!
4lg,
I am sure that you made the point that people who live in New York don't really know jack about proper BBQ.
OK, see, when you need to cheat, you open the console, and type in the cheat code, like GIVE_WEAPON_THERMONUKE, or whatever you need.
Zap, I'm guessing yer not among the "3d shooter" addicted, like I am.
That's a game, son, a game, I say...
"Yes! And then you light them on fire!"
What about collateral damage?
Sandy-LA 90034 | Email | 01.28.06 - 10:38 pm | #
None, as long as you're not still spraying the hair spray. Then, well, oops.
Yo, dude!
Gimee a burger, no wasps, please!
This is my story:
It is taking too long to load comments.
So, being a smart cookie (having just deleted all of mine, and pardon the pun), I am going to take a shower to warm up, and I will be back. (If you want me.) Hopefully, there will be a new thread once i have cleaned myself of the stain from the day.
I'm watching "Red Dawn," possibly the worst fucking movie ever made. The only thing that could suck even more is...well, the next State of the Union speech.
OMFG
Red Dawn - the ultimate wingnut masturbatory fantasy.
I prefer screaming and running away, and letting the cat take care of them...
Most cats have enough sense not to bother a flying roach.
They are way too nasty.
I have been know to shriek and jump up on a chair myself.
When my dad was my age now, i was 33...
on that, i'm gonna let this huge ol' ponderous thread swing on without me, and wish all y'all fond and peaceful slumbers...
nite and ♥ ♥
I always just tell the yellow jackets to leave me alone, and they do.
i'm with eli. i run. but i react badly to insect venom.
fireants sent me to the hospital once.
i once stepped on an already dead yellowjacket and was on crutches for a week.
I don't know if this has already been discussed, but the NY TIMES actually takes Bush completely to the Woodshed on the NSA Spying matter.
It's a beautiful thing!
Is Ruprecht back? That smell of death...yes, that's him.
"I don't see any wasps..."
Now THAT'S a cue!
The wasps have arrived at the Barbecue. Cue the spooky music!
Why is the barbecue sauce overlord in charge of public safety?
that's just weird.
Miss Tasty Barbecue Sauce looks kinda underage...
That's my kind of BBQ. Saucy!
I am sure that you made the point that people who live in New York don't really know jack about proper BBQ.
Well, actually no. But I've made that point on other occasions.
Most cats have enough sense not to bother a flying roach.
Mine just calmly marched into my room, there was a large commotion, and then she walked back out with the dead roach in her mouth.
GOOD kitty.
The swarm has arrived!!
Most cats have enough sense not to bother a flying roach.
my cat can catch a roach in midair (we prefer to call them palmetto bugs down here)
she used to catch paper wasps and eat them whole when she was younger. never suffered any ill effect.
Goodnight Woody.
Hurry back Vicki.
Brad Blog is the dj right now...
I think you're a little younger than my son, who is 32.
Hecate
Yep. Just turned 30.
My Mom just turned 53 last week.
i'm with eli. i run. but i react badly to insect venom.
No, that's just flying roaches. Stinging insects don't bother me too much, but I'm pretty resistant to venom. Basically like a really bad mosquito bite.
The worst movie of all time was released about 1980, and was titled "Star Crash." It was a low-budget Sci-Fi movie complete with bimbos and cheap props purchased at Kaybee. It was excruciating. My friends and I didn't leave and ask for our money back... we stayed until the end dissing everything about the film...and laughing uproariously.
Pitchforks and Torches
I think I remember Star Crash coming out. Never saw it. You're making me want to, though! (I love bad films...cf. my mini-review of Red Dawn, above.)
Tim Thomerson: Profile In Courage.
I am sure that you made the point that people who live in New York don't really know jack about proper BBQ.
remember that old el paso ad?
"Noo York City?"
The worst movie of all time was released about 1980, and was titled "Star Crash."
*cough* ahem...Earth Girls Are Easy.
Now I don't feel so good...
Annoying reporter lady is, what, 15? 16?
Barbecue sauce lord hiding in garbage can. Is there no honor anymore?
Vicki, once you have cable, it won't matter.
Oh, and Star Crash is practically Chinatown compared to Red Dawn.
close the windows and vents.
She's like a cross between Jennifer Garner and Molly Ringwald...
i said the vents too!
Red Dawn - the ultimate wingnut masturbatory fantasy.
Terry C, Coldplayer
That it is - wingnut porn of the highest order. John Milius was responsible for it, no?
My friends and I didn't leave and ask for our money back... we stayed until the end dissing everything about the film...and laughing uproariously.
In the middle of studying for the bar, than which there is no whicher, several friends and I spent the day taking a timed practice test, ran to a mall, had several drinks apiece, and then went in to watch Mel in Braveheart. I am very sorry for the people who had to sit around us. We hooted and cataloged every tort we saw in the movie; and there were many.
I cant blame it on the bossanova, but I blame it on the bar.
If Jennifer Garner and Molly Ringwald were eaten by yellowjackets, of course.
Also, "Bees" is just so much more fun to say than "Yellowjackets".
Keystone Blues, if you are still around to check, let me say this: if you have apoint you want to make and you are prepared to argue/debate, I have always found folks here ready and willing to listen. If they find a chink in your logical armor, they will go for it, seriously.
Thius is not a kaffe Klatche. There are often very serious debates and discussions - and many of them, I stay completely out of because I'm just too damned ignorant to participate.
But...if I th ink someone is wrong, or if it it a matter of non-fact based opinion, then, hell, mine's as good as the next person's, and I'll hold my ground. Maybe even ultimately agree to disagree.
But...one cannot be th ink-skinned and come into a forum where there are many, many intelligent and well-informed individuals (and, believe me, I don';t count myself among them) with strong personalities and equally strong opinions and arguments and think it's gonna be the "polite discourse" of a PTA meeting or study group.
I may have gone away bruised and battered on occasion, but I have never taken criticism here personally - becauser I know it was never meant that way - and I have learned a great deal, and I have learned more about how to stand up for my own POV.
I would hope that you would return. Some of this is humor, some is serious, and so much of it, really, is companionable.
Anyway, please reconsider.
SD
Oh, so you're messing with our man Chuey!
Get her!
i liked earth girls are easy. it was amusing.
Just desserts for reporter girl. Mmm hmm. I knew it.
sane lib
This troll is neither.
there's no way the wasps could get into a car that way. The girl from the dunk tank dried off afully quick.
Night bats, time to go separate fighting felines and then watch som 'Buffy'.
the worst movies ever made
The Muse (Al Brooks manages to go an entire star-studded movie, and gets Sharon Stone undressed, without a single laugh. Hey: the theatre on military bases in California is free)
Chill Factor (incredibly bad, just shockingly ineptly made, except for this one shot of a thoughtless assassin who zips down a line right in front of an oncoming truck)
Rules of Engagement (you leave this movie feeling that America is now the third reich)
Con Air (bad and openly racist)
Michael Bay
Director - filmography
1. Untitled Transformers Film (2007) (pre-production)
2. The Island (2005)
3. The Lionel Richie Collection (2003) (V) (video "Do It to Me")
4. Bad Boys II (2003)
... aka Good Cops: Bad Boys II (Malaysia: English title)
5. Pearl Harbor (2001)
... aka Pearl Harbour (UK: promotional title)
6. Armageddon (199
7. The Rock (1996)
8. Bad Boys (1995)
9. Shadows and Light: From a Different View (1992) (V)
10. Great White: My...My...My... The Video Collection (1991) (V) (video "Call It Rock N' Roll")
Akiva Goldsman
Writer - filmography
1. Poseidon (2006) (filming)
2. The Da Vinci Code (2006) (completed) (screenplay)
3. Cinderella Man (2005) (screenplay)
4. I, Robot (2004) (screenplay)
5. A Beautiful Mind (2001)
6. Practical Magic (199 (screenplay)
7. Lost in Space (199 (written by)
8. Batman & Robin (1997) (written by)
9. A Time to Kill (1996) (screenplay)
10. Batman Forever (1995) (screenplay)
... aka Forever (USA: title without logo)
11. Silent Fall (1994) (written by)
12. The Client (1994) (screenplay)
John Milius was responsible for it, no?
Oh my yes.
Skinny reporter woman seems to have forgotten that one of the major uses of a car is to MOVE, like, AWAY from evil bees.
the wasps in jumanji were a lot bigger.
The worst movie of all time was released about 1980, and was titled "Star Crash."
*cough* ahem...Earth Girls Are Easy.
Now I don't feel so good...
Doozer
-Supergirl, hands down!