I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
S.O.S.
...---...
ugh
Phew, if I had been first again, my life's ambition would have been met, and I would have had to kill myself.
Since I'm not first, I can continue to enjoy my red wine.
Uncle.
Yowsa.
How dare the Times report on the horror of war!!
I want all of the architects of this war in front of a tribunal in the effin' Hague.
How dare these fuckers put these kids in this position to fight for nothing!
Man, that's a tear jerker.
And did the NYT and Judy Miller apologize to these soldiers??? To Bush, they're no more than props.
Is it okay to say I wish this sort of thing didn't happen? Or is that america-hating that gives rise to a reasonable belief for NSA shift leaders to tap my phone?
And the fodder will go to their graves believing they made us safer and the mean old liberals ruined everything. Let's face it, they have to.
What Chicken Caesar should have read befor deciding to invade Iraq: I'm no pacifist, but I do have a rigorous standard for sending human beings to war. I call it the "Mike MacParlane Taste Test."
Oh, that's right, the Imperial Shitwit doesn't read, other than children's books. Silly me.
Sorry for the OT so soon, but I am outraged again.
From the "Journal"
CIA-Leak Case May Hand
War Critics Momentum,
But Legal Issues Are Slim
By ANNE MARIE SQUEO and JOHN D. MCKINNON
February 11, 2006; Page A4
WASHINGTON -- The disclosure that Vice President Dick Cheney may have authorized his former chief of staff to release classified information to justify the war in Iraq has political consequences for the White House, but the legal fallout may be muted.
Mr. Cheney, in his role as second-in-command of the country, has significant leeway, albeit not as much as the president, to declassify information . . . .
I will use little words. It was not about telling secrets: it IS about breaking the law. Whether the dick can tell secret information does not matter: he can not tell about a secret agent. It is against the law.
I think the only thing better than a chest full of medals and honors would be two arms, two legs and a un-traumatized body.
You mean the WH hasn't tried to censor this story?
Let's face it, they have to.
QL,
I agree. I can't begin to imagine how horrific it must be to be injured like that. You'd have to keep telling yourself that it was for a valiant cause.
heterotopic ossification
After reading the link, my tears are mitigated by the snow falling on my face.
Pics of bush with abramov...
Bono is Brian Peppers!
Or is that america-hating that gives rise to a reasonable belief for NSA shift leaders to tap my phone?
underwhelm | Homepage | 02.11.06 - 6:03 pm | #
I listent to Randy Rhodes replay this weekend and she keeps playing the sound clip of shrub saying that he does not email because he doesn't want you all knowing his personal business........ what a hypocrit. He knows just how powerful that 'carnavor' crap is.
fuckers.
Ugh. Among the many horrific legacies of this war is this nasty neologism:
Polytrauma.
they should publish weekend news during the week sometime
What should Iraq vets feel when confronted with thanks by one of those morons who papers their car in Chinese magnets? It is very awkward for both of us, an afterwards kei always feels murderously angry. It is like their "thanks" is actually an aggressive way of pushing an unacceptable meaning of the rape of Iraq onto you. Is there some polite way to say, your thanks are mendacious, no thinking person is proud of the way Bush is destroying several countries includies our own? But it's so hard to say somthing like this, especially to a relative at a party who "means well"
Damn these well-meaning idiots, if it weren't for well-meaning idiots the world would be a far better place.
The Times has got blood on its
hands and it will never apologize.
Should I be outraged more that the majority of this country doesn't give a flying fuck; or that the majority of the supporters of this "mission" doesn't care about the soldiers that come back from this exercise?
As Jane's Addiction once said: "Nothing's Shocking".
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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Another OT, but this is a really funny one, Laura says that Hillary should lay off her husband. SAys that Gearge and Big Dog are part of a speciual "brotherhood of presidents" and that the wife of one should not criticize ("should show some empathy") for the other.
HA fukking HA! Who one the Rightwing ever showed even a femptogram of empathy towards the Clenis when he was battling everyone over a fukkin blowjob during his presidency. What an assholette she is.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS...y.ap/
index.html
and a un-traumatized body.
pigboy
or mind
.
Sorry for my lack of grammer...
I get this feeling that a lot of previously enthusiastic Bush partisans and supporters are slowly, finally waking up.
Unfortunately, coming as it does now, after so much damage has been done, and we are well on our way to a police state, I take little comfort in it.
I simply want to say to these guys: "What the fuck was wrong with you that it took so long to catch on, even in the midst of 'our side's' repeatedly sounding the alarm?"
"What the fuck was wrong with you that it took so long to catch on, even in the midst of 'our side's' repeatedly sounding the alarm?"
Question of the century.
if it weren't for well-meaning idiots the world would be a far better place. -kei & yuri
I'd take a well-meaning idiot over an evil rat bastard exploiting them any day.
♥♥♥♥♥
Jeffraham and Curly!!!
Of course, the article follows two men. I've noted before that my friend who is a nurse at Walter Reed says that the female quadrapalegics caused by this war are kept from the press, based upon the theory that it would upset Americans even more to see women in this condition.
Who can for get this:
A slide showed Mr Bush in the Oval office, leaning to look under a piece of furniture. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere," he told the audience, drawing applause.
Another slide showed him peering into another part of the office, "Nope, no weapons over there," he said, laughing. "Maybe under here," he said, as a third slide was shown.
If I remember right weren't Lieberman and Pelosi yukking it up with the boy king that night?
I would hate for young women to think that Laura Bush was someone to respect.
good, next week maybe the Times can do a story on the treatment the Iraqi wounded get at "their" Walter Reed?
what, oh...
I'd take a well-meaning idiot over an evil rat bastard exploiting them any day.
But there are no evil rat bastards. The worst of them are well-meaning idiots full of beautiful visions of how it should be.
What an assholette she is.
A moist assholette?
SAys that Gearge and Big Dog are part of a speciual "brotherhood of presidents" and that the wife of one should not criticize ("should show some empathy") for the other.
Bad Art
It is pretty funny that Laura refers to Hillary as Clinton's wife, not as a US Senator whose duty it is to criticize the president as she sees fit.
fy--I'm going to have my husband find your IP address. Then, we're going to find out who you are. Then, we're going to find about about people around you. Then, we're going to make sure you're smeared for life. Got it?
fy you are stopable and we are stopping you.
SallyH
Does the email address you have up now work?
I thought I would send you a photo of my puppy.
.
I am unstoppable.
fy | 02.11.06 - 6:13 pm | #
Wow, fy. Did you know that your
posts are frequently mistaken for
marathon sessions in the writing
room at Sid Caeser's
"Your Show of Shows"?
How do you it?
Of course, the article follows two men. I've noted before that my friend who is a nurse at Walter Reed says that the female quadrapalegics caused by this war are kept from the press, based upon the theory that it would upset Americans even more to see women in this condition.
Hecate Malificent
And the press, of course, is entirely incapable of seeking them out....
Four trees full...
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Ah, my new best friend. May I avail myself of this. What must I do besides kowtowing and promising my first grandchild?
ql in ny
$8.10 will procure you a box o'oranges.
Hey "fy"-troll... does your mother still cry when you try to seduce her?
-
...and the Patriot Act gets renewed with no protection for civil liberties, but new opportunities to complain.
Just another day at the office in a once-upon-a-time place called "America".
A moist assholette?
JeffCO
Umm...EWWW!
It is pretty funny that Laura refers to Hillary as Clinton's wife, not as a US Senator whose duty it is to criticize the president as she sees fit.
Marcia Brady
Exactly my sentiment.
Boy...fy showed me.
Where's your website, fy?
and a un-traumatized body.
pigboy
or mind
.
agAve, DFoF | Email | 02.11.06 - 6:10 pm | #
The mental damage to these troops is stunning. So many need mental help after coming home from this 'frontless' war where everyone is the enemy and collateral damage is seen for what it actually is.
fy-you are a disgrace.
Has anybody clicked through to the bono chili peppers or whatever the whore is pushing? he's really quite blatent.
France backs Russian policy on Hamas
What *will* the fuckdolls say?
The mental damage to these troops is stunning. So many need mental help after coming home from this 'frontless' war where everyone is the enemy and collateral damage is seen for what it actually is.
Crime will skyrocket.
,I.I would hate for young women to think that Laura Bush was someone to respect.
ICK. Or to emulae. I hate her mushmouth voice and her stupidity. When has she EVER said anything worth repeating? She raised two spoiled brats and spent her life with a monster.
So many need mental help after coming home from this 'frontless' war where everyone is the enemy and collateral damage is seen for what it actually is.
pigboy
Can you imagine what it's like when even your acts of kindness can cause people to get killed? Didn't bombers target the children that GIs gave candy and toys to, or was that propaganda?
I doubt your wanker husband can find out anything about me.
fy | 02.11.06 - 6:16 pm | #
And somehow you believe your attitude and what you do is something others will want to follow? We already got your kind in the white house we dont need more of it
I think every administration neocon should be paired up with each one of those vets for the rest of their lives as a personal assistant...
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fy--I'm going to have my husband find your IP address. Then, we're going to
find out who you are. Then, we're going to find about about people around you.
Then, we're going to make sure you're smeared for life. Got it?
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 02.11.06 - 6:14 pm | #
You go, girl.
Heh. That Dean. He's sure crazy. Not as crazy as incessantly trolling an internet community with contentless garbage, though.
What an assholette she is.
With or without your permission I am so stealing that.
JohnJs--it does, and I'd love to see a photo of your puppy.
fy--my husband is a specialist in network security and spent a lot of years as a kernel hacker. I wouldn't be certain of your anonymity.
Funny -- I haven't seen a single fy post -- only people quoting it.
.
The mental damage to these troops is stunning. So many need mental help after coming home from this 'frontless' war where everyone is the enemy and collateral damage is seen for what it actually is.
Crime will skyrocket.
kei & yuri | Homepage | 02.11.06 - 6:18 pm | #
It already has it is not uncommon for a troop returning home to kill a loved one. This is the most insane 'war' ever. What makes it the most insane is we should have known better because of vietnam. What makes it so insane is that those who were a party to that 'war' stood by and did nothing. All that hurry up crap. What a bunch of cowards.
Wow, fy got disappeared.
I'm scared.
You know, I often think the system they used in the Middle Ages, when the king had to lead his troops into battle was a better one.
I noticed a blip on MSGOP's crawl earlier...
"G.H.W. Bush said the attacks on his Son at Mrs. King's funeral earlier this week were 'a bit harsh'" - or something to that effect.
Which, of course, sent me into about a 20 minute, profanity laced tirade that would have made any Sailor or Marine blush and run for cover at the nearest church.
$8.10 will procure you a box o'oranges.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
At what email or address.
allons enfants de la paTRRRRIIIIIIIIIIe
Le jour de gloi re
est arrivé !
(Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'étendard sanglant est levé)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
(Mugir ces féroces soldats ?)
([Ils viennnnent jusque dans vos bras
Ils viennnnent jusque dans vos bras])
Égorger nos fils et vos compagnes !
Aux armes, citoyens,
Formez --vos bataillons,
March-ons, march-ons !
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !
Jeffraham--I think he was squelched.
commas and periods are wonderful things
fy--I'm going to have my husband find your IP address. Then, we're going to
find out who you are. Then, we're going to find about about people around you.
Then, we're going to make sure you're smeared for life. Got it?
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Email | Homepage | 02.11.06 - 6:14 pm
shor am glad 'm on yer team, sugar...
Gee, fy, I guess you're not so smart after all, are you?
OT - my email to the Associated Press...
In two stories you have recently published attemping to connect
Senator Reid with Jack Abramoff's efforts on behalf of his clients
to keep the minimum wage on the Marianas Islands low, you neglected
to mention what is probably the most crucial detail of the story.
Senator Reid opposed those efforts and in fact cosponsored legislation
to increase that minimum wage. There is absolutely no ethical excuse
whatsoever for making such an omission.
Is generating a "big story" so important to the AP that you
are willing to fabricate, by lies of omission, a scandal where
there is none? After two shameful stories, it looks to me like
you are carrying on a deliberate smear compaign against Senator
Reid. Am I wrong?
-----
Tell the AP what you think of their "reporting" ...
info@ap.org
"The mental damage to these troops is stunning. So many need mental help after coming home from this 'frontless' war where everyone is the enemy and collateral damage is seen for what it actually is."
Hmmm...why does that sound so familiar? In many ways it really is Viet Nam all over again, except we've kicked a much bigger hornet's nest this time.
holy crap!
I often think the system they used in the Middle Ages, when the king had to lead his troops into battle was a better one.
Hecate Malificent
Except that that was never really the case, of course.
fy--my husband is a specialist in network security and spent a lot of years as a kernel hacker. I wouldn't be certain of your anonymity.
Maybe Atrios could use his services to improve this site's security
Haha Wanker
$8.10 will procure you a box o'oranges.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
At what email or address.
ql in ny
Try this one, petite.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--I think he was squelched.
Maybe so, but this is the 3rd or 4th thread I've seen people bitching about fy -- and I haven't seen its posts all day long.
.
It already has it is not uncommon for a troop returning home to kill a loved one. This is the most insane 'war' ever. What makes it the most insane is we should have known better because of vietnam. What makes it so insane is that those who were a party to that 'war' stood by and did nothing. All that hurry up crap. What a bunch of cowards.
pigboy |
But...but...the Repukes are PRO-FAMILY!
We are not sure why that one verse repeated...
G.H.W. Bush said the attacks on his Son at Mrs. King's funeral earlier this week were 'a bit harsh'" - or something to that effect.
No, actually, they were incredibly mild and nuanced. He should have to sit and listen to what I'd like to say to him for twenty minutes or so.
Funny -- I haven't seen a single fy post -- only people quoting it.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
It was there and then phittt, it was gone. I imagine our host deleted it.
I'm going to have my husband find your IP address. Then, we're going to
find out who you are. Then, we're going to find about about people around you.
Then, we're going to make sure you're smeared for life. Got it?
You're not really serious, right?
I think every administration neocon should be paired up with each one of those vets for the rest of their lives as a personal assistant...
-
MisterX, who &clubs s trolls
those shameless blackhearts would prolly do it for a photo and a fee- but did you notice how much they had to dope-up the little prince on his visit, not that he's at all remorseful, he just doesn't want to be reminded...
JohnJs--it does, and I'd love to see a photo of your puppy.
Sweetie!
But...but...the Repukes are PRO-FAMILY!
Terry C, Coldplayer | 02.11.06 - 6:25 pm | #
Yes they are. But they are talking about their OWN families. Fuck the rest of us.
No, actually, they were incredibly mild and nuanced. He should have to sit and listen to what I'd like to say to him for twenty minutes or so.
Hecate Malificent | Email | Homepage | 02.11.06 - 6:25 pm | #
what i wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall for that!
SallyH
They are on the way.
He should have to sit and listen to what I'd like to say to him for twenty minutes or so.
Hecate Malificent
Maybe John Ashcroft could let him know?
When the troops come home, there'll surely occur
a significant outbreak of violent crimes, spousal abuse, child abuse, suicide, drug abuse, homelessness among the veterans.
pretty much inevitable...
.
God I hate this.
I don't have words for how I feel about the evil evil evil bastards who have done this. I really want them tried for war crimes - for starting this whole goddamned mess.
Another OT, but this is a really funny one, Laura says that Hillary should lay off her husband.
Hillary wouldn't want that cunt's husband.
Jeffraham--I don't threaten to pierce thin air with sharp sticks.
JohnJS - Sweetie's got a parcel in the mail for her....
a significant outbreak of violent crimes, spousal abuse, child abuse, suicide, drug abuse, homelessness among the veterans.
pretty much inevitable...
.
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka
Off hand, has anyone heard anything about the drug use amongst the GIs in Iraq? As I vaguely recall, it was widespread in VietNam, right?
Ah, well... even when I do "see" its posts, I don't see 'em... I see all the whitespace, and spacebar right on by.
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G.H.W. Bush said the attacks on his Son at Mrs. King's funeral earlier this week were 'a bit harsh'" - or something to that effect.
Prince Fuckwit is what....going on 60?
He can't fight his own battles?
I shouldn't be listening to Ryan Adams right now. I'm super depressed (by this article, and by the trolls and folks "running this country).
Sad.
my nephew went to iraq twice. first tiime was under george the first. i just thank goddesses or whoever was looking out for him, he came home ok, tour of duty over.
but his poor mom went went gray.
Off hand, has anyone heard anything about the drug use amongst the GIs in Iraq? As I vaguely recall, it was widespread in VietNam, right?
Marcia Brady ∞
Yes.
Yes.
Somewhat less available.
Yes.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--I don't threaten to pierce thin air with sharp sticks.
Oh, I know others are seein' 'em -- I just haven't seen a single, solitary one, today!
.
Sweet bleeding Jesus. I shouldn't have to read this and cry over my keyboard. What these kids are going through is just so horribly, mind-warpingly wrong that I don't know where to begin. I can't do this.
A mailman is delivering mail from house to house in a neighborhood where the demon Bank Manager was destroyed by Father Time.
from Phila's link to Pinkoski's movie idea, part 2. Demon-posessed dinosaurs assaulting the ark, people. Anyone else care that Father Time is the Greco-Roman god Uranus/Cronos?
He can't fight his own battles?
I guess Mommy and Daddy have to stick their nose in everything, Terry.
Piece of shit that he is, I almost understand their reasoning. Except their logic is all fucked up.
When the troops come home they'll be treated the same way the iraqi people greeted their liberators in march 2003.
With candies and flowers.
What's this with W's wife and parents always scolding those who criticize their widdle boy's excellent presidential adventure?
What. A. Pussy.
I actually think Fred Barnes
and Morton Kondracke are more
reprehensible than Hannity.
The pretend reasonableness just
turns my stomach.
Also the lies, of course.
I don't have words for how I feel about the evil evil evil bastards who have done this. I really want them tried for war crimes - for starting this whole goddamned mess.
Tena
What, from the Party of Personal Responsiblity? The ones bringing Honor and Dignity back to the White House?
Sheeyeah, right.
I agree 100% though, and that's a good goal... bring them ALL to justice and cleanse the soiled American psyche of this mendacious filth. It's what the Founders would expect of us...
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Off hand, has anyone heard anything about the drug use amongst the GIs in Iraq? As I vaguely recall, it was widespread in VietNam, right?
Marcia Brady ∞
Oh, we won' t hear about that.
It would embolden the enemy to know that there are people so "weak" as to take drugs.
No one attacked Prince Fuckwit.
A few people alluded to some of the more fucked-up policies he has implemented and decisions he has made, but no one "attacked" him.
The Bushes find any disagreement with their imperial wishes to be very wounding.
When the troops come home they'll be treated the same way the iraqi people greeted their liberators in march 2003.
Coming home?
Sure.
Off hand, has anyone heard anything about the drug use amongst the GIs in Iraq? As I vaguely recall, it was widespread in VietNam, right?
Marcia Brady ∞
No sexual release whatsoever, you're no even supposed to jack off although obviously that's pretty popular, and what we hear is there is a lot of raping female servicemembers. A huge secret plague of in-house rape nobody talks about.
and fy? Go fuck yourself with a crunchy cheetoh.
thanks atrios.
and fy? Go fuck yourself with a crunchy cheetoh.
What a sick SOB.
Okay, I think my baked chicken has baked long enough, and the potatos should be done just right.
Thanks for an engaging day. Be something this evening.
GWPDA - you have mail.
fy:
Did you know that your posts are
frequently mistaken for dinner
bon mots overheard at the Algonquin
Round Table?
My chapeau's off to you, mon ami.
Support the EFF
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No to banning and censorship
fy
fy,
Why do you come here? Can you answer that? What's your motive? Where's your blog?
Where's you defense of Dean Zimmerman (you know, another Green)?
[Pickles has]spent her life with a monster.
Hecate Malificent
More to the point, she has spent her life enabling a monster.
A huge secret plague of in-house rape nobody talks about.
The 'mysterious death' of the young female servicemember from Florida last month - that Bossman linked to, I'm still laying odds on she was raped and killed by one of our own.
I sure have seen too many reports of it in the military circles I hang out in, to imagine it's just an "isolated few incidents".
Sure. Just like Abu Gharib was right?
Sweetie thanks you GWPDA.
I do also.
.
But...but...the Repukes are PRO-FAMILY!
Terry C, Coldplayer
Yes they are. But they are talking about their OWN families. Fuck the rest of us.
pigboy
From what I've seen of the twins and Jeb's devil spawn, they don't do a very good job with their own families.
I fucked up the tags.
Support the EFF
No to banning and censorship
Why would someone posting comments in blogspace work so hard to discredit the EFF, which does a lot of heavy lifting on behalf of bloggers?
A huge secret plague of in-house rape nobody talks about.
kei & yuri
Women dying of dehydration because they wouldn't drink water later in the day so they wouldn't have to use the latrine after dark.
.
oh snap, also at Phila's link there's this alternate ending inside Satan's secret headquarters: the Trannie Tower in SF! Again featuring Cronos (this guy really has a thing for him)!
More to the point, she has spent her life enabling a monster.
Chocolate Proton!
Hence the Xanax.
A huge secret plague of in-house rape nobody talks about.
The 'mysterious death' of the young female servicemember from Florida last month - that Bossman linked to, I'm still laying odds on she was raped and killed by one of our own.
They're perfecting their rape skills for when they come back home.
A huge secret plague of in-house rape nobody talks about.
kei & yuri - 6:33 pm
that's the huge, dirty secret of the whole effort at gender integration of the Army, at least.
i expect it'll start to surface in a couple of years, after some of the victims get some distance from the scenes of the crimes...
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Whoa, there is a lot of raping of female servicemembers by OUR TROOPS?!
Can you elaborate?
Maybe John Ashcroft could let him know?
My son says one of these days I'm going to go too far and get arrested for sure. I agreed that he's probably right, but told him it was worth it.
somebody emailed me an article about a few service women who died from dehydration as a result of not drinking enough fluids late in the day so they wouldn't have to visit the latrine at night, where they were being raped.
and i don't remember, but atrios may have posted something here???
Women dying of dehydration because they wouldn't drink water later in the day so they wouldn't have to use the latrine after dark.
That's one of the reasons - so they don't get raped.
"Another OT, but this is a really funny one, Laura says that Hillary should lay off her husband. SAys that Gearge and Big Dog are part of a speciual "brotherhood of presidents" and that the wife of one should not criticize ("should show some empathy") for the other."
Poor LauraBot. It must be either jet lag or her meds need to be dialed in. She seems to have forgotten this:
"Laura Bush criticized Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday for suggesting that the Republican-controlled House is run like a plantation where dissenting voices are ignored.
"It think it's ridiculous — it's a ridiculous comment," Mrs. Bush told reporters when asked about the remark during a return flight to Washington following her four-day swing through West Africa."
Hecate, I see the snow's coming down pretty heavily right now (Weather Channel).
But outside the hospital unit, the general looked grim. "There's not a kid in that unit who knew what they were getting into," he said. "When I asked them, are you ready to go?, they would say, 'Yes, sir.' But then I'd look at those 18-, 19-, 20-year-olds, two weeks out of boot camp, and thought, no, they are not ready for this struggle. I knew how scared they were, how reluctant they were."
He added, "Men like this one have shown more courage than we had the right to expect from them."
especially when "we" carefully avoided getting anywhere near a place where things like that could happen to their precious little selves.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn't located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom. "There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night," Karpinski told retired US Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview.
It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers. So the women took matters into their own hands. They didn't drink in the late afternoon so they wouldn't have to urinate at night. They didn't get raped. But some died of dehydration in the desert heat, Karpinski said.
one of these days I'm going to go too far and get arrested for sure
More likely, you'd be arrested because the regime has gone too far.
and i don't remember, but atrios may have posted something here???
I think rorschach posted it at his joint.
i expect it'll start to surface in a couple of years, after some of the victims get some distance from the scenes of the crimes.
Didn't I read something about this the other week? Service women dying of dehydration because they woulnd't drink H2O after 3:00 pm because a night time trip to the latrines meant a sure rape by male soliders?
If Laura Bush is criticizing Hillary, things must be pretty damn tense at the White House, and georgie's tantrums must be becoming unbearable.
Does anyone else have a vision of fy furiously computing right this very minute?
In peacetime there was this frathouse atmosphere already, like you're expected to put out, and it's pretty hard not too unless you can get out of the barracks and get away. Every deck has at least one "barracks ho." Anyone who is below a certain level of attractiveness or who won't screw is designated a lesbian, although there are a few defiant muscley chicks who deliberately cultivate an intimidating nonhet persona.
No one attacked Prince Fuckwit.
A few people alluded to some of the more fucked-up policies he has implemented and decisions he has made, but no one "attacked" him.
The Bushes find any disagreement with their imperial wishes to be very wounding.
Jennifer
No one treated him like God Almighty.
Reality bites, doesn't it, Chimpy?
They're perfecting their rape skills for when they come back home.
That has to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen posted, Terry.
From what I've seen of the twins and Jeb's devil spawn, they don't do a very good job with their own families.
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Well I would not say that. After all the twins are both fine ambassadors for shrubs abstinence program. Leading the way for young women around the world. Paris Hilton says the twins have been a wonderful example for her...... no really.....
I think the only thing better than a chest full of medals and honors would be two arms, two legs and a un-traumatized body.
pigboy
two arms, two legs and a un-traumatized body, and mind.
I think rorschach posted it at his joint.
masculine_monica_nyc | 02.11.06 - 6:39 pm | #
aha! i knew i read it on a blog too!
and i don't remember, but atrios may have posted something here???
I think rorschach posted it at his joint.
masculine_monica_nyc
Yep, here.
If Laura Bush is criticizing Hillary, things must be pretty damn tense at the White House, and georgie's tantrums must be becoming unbearable.
pie
I'm not crazy about Hillary, but I'll side with her against the Stepford Fembot any day!
That has to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen posted, Terry.
Agreed. Think before you hit *publish*.
Alright, kids --
Despite the snow (still not
bad, BTW) I'm off for the
traditional saturday night quaffing
of elitist chardonnay blah blah blah.
See you later, I hope.
And fuck fy.
I'm gonna take a nap.
I hate being depressed.
But I love the majority of you...
two arms, two legs and a un-traumatized body, and mind.
tbsa | Email | 02.11.06 - 6:41 pm | #
You are the second one to say this and you are completely right about it too.
Corporals Beyers and Schilling remained down. Marines carrying thick pads stopped their bleeding. One marine, trained as a combat lifesaver, placed tourniquets on their legs. A medic gave them shots of morphine. Then, to signal to caregivers that the men had been given the drug, he dipped his finger in their blood and wrote an M on each marine's forehead.
Most all of them put themselves in harm's way and fight for each other, and more so with experience and multiple tours. Of those, many will give polite lip-support for Bush's folly when in civilian or mixed company - but they know what's up because they've seen it up close.
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They're perfecting their rape skills for when they come back home.
That has to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen posted, Terry.
Barndog, troll destroyer
I'm talking about the ones WITH that mentality, BD!
Remember Tailhook?
That has to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen posted, Terry.
Agreed. Think before you hit *publish*.
pie
Again, I was talking about the ones who HAVE that mindset.
I stand by my comment.
And fuck fy.
- steve simels
By all means, Steve... you go right ahead there, Pal.
But...but...the Repukes are PRO-FAMILY!
rethugspeak...
Family values: violent hatred, particularly of gays and those who advocate reproductive rights, but also of anyone those who are not fundamentalist Christians.
Democracy: Any government, dictatorship or not, that supports Bush's political objectives and allows American financial interests to operate within their borders unhindered.
The Bushes find any disagreement with their imperial wishes to be very wounding.
Jennifer
it's called lese majeste (or lese majesty)...
Paris Hilton says the twins have been a wonderful example for her...... no really.....
pigboy
Can the three of them become "disappeared white women"???
Please?
Afternoon, rational people.
pie,
Yes, it's coming down fairly hard and, now that the sun has set, it's sticking to the roads. Supposed to get heavier over night and end sometime tomorrow. I'll get my exercise shoveling my walk and drive tomorrow, I guess. Your daughter is downtown, right? She should be fine.
kei & yuri: I'm blown away...absolutely just fucking blown away. What parent would let their child serve in Iraq? I know, I know.
time to pay the dues.
and for what? anyone read Riverbend's account of masked storm troopers raiding the place?
as i once heard HST lament "today my house, tomorrow yours."
"North by Northwest" is going to be on PBS tonight.
I'm gonna take a nap.
Zap Rowsdower
I'm leaving, too, but I think I'll make some dinner. Should I have sweet & spicy spinach and peanut soup? Or pasta with garlic, tomatos, and olive oil?
Or both?
On our casualties:
Escaping the attention of the mainstream media at the end of January was a panel held by mental-health professionals at the National Press Club in Washington, in which it was revealed that up to one-third of Iraq war Veterans will suffer from some degree of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).
Speaking on the panel was Antonette Zeiss, deputy chief consultant for mental health services at the Department of Veterans Affairs, who said that up to 40,000 soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan show symptoms of PTSD.
...
The National Center for PTSD also reports the following alarming statistics that map directly to increased rates of PTSD among Iraq war Veterans:
--94 percent of soldiers in Iraq reported receiving small-arms fire
--86 percent reported knowing someone who was seriously injured or killed
--68 percent reported seeing dead or seriously injured Americans
--51 percent reported handling or uncovering human remains
Sure is cold (for a change).
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They're perfecting their rape skills for when they come back home.--TerryC
That has to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen posted, Terry.
Barndog, troll destroyer | 02.11.06 - 6:41 pm
Yeah, we were going to say something about it too. The thing is it could be salvaged: some rapists will develop skills and assemble what police call a "rape kit" (usually a knapsack or kerchief with lengths of rope, a small mirror/hasty periscope, maybe a knife or some pills, etc) and a consistent MO that seems to work. It seems impossible now that we think of it that a person could get into a certain way of thining about sex over there and then come home and magically transition to normality. It was a thoughtless comment in terms of the way it was cast off and sounded like they're conciously planning and it was about everybody over there but there is some substance to it.
Sure makes me feel good that I gave 15 years of my life to have people like you discredit everyone who ever wore the uniform, Terry.
You certainly are a worthless piece of shit.
and i don't remember, but atrios may have posted something here???
her eyes
Found it
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
anyone read Riverbend's account of masked storm troopers raiding the place?
yeah
You certainly are a worthless piece of shit.
Barndog, troll destroyer
Show me where it says I said EVERYONE in the military.
Jeeez, sorry.
Didn't know it was going to get everyone all worked up.
I didn't send the over there, remember.
It was a thoughtless comment in terms of the way it was cast off and sounded like they're conciously planning and it was about everybody over there but there is some substance to it.
kei & yuri
Thank you!
By the way, Terry - why don't you travel to South Vietnam and locate my Marine uncle - explain that to his remains while you're at it, since you know so fucking much about the military.
Terry C-
I took it you were referring to the Tim McVeighs and Lee Harvey Oswalds of the world (not to mention Ollie North).
Sure makes me feel good that I gave 15 years of my life to have people like you discredit everyone who ever wore the uniform, Terry.
You certainly are a worthless piece of shit.
Barndog, troll destroyer
Try to control your inner Republican, would you? I think she has a valid point. Oh, and I, too, am a fifteen year veteran of the infantry.
Found it
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
agAve, DFoF
Always late!
.
So, have you heard about the music teacher in a school near Denver suspended for having shown the kids a tape on operas (including Faust). With handpuppets. Why was she suspended? For glorifying Satan of course!
Some choice quotes: "Any adult with common sense would not think that video was appropriate for a young person to see. I'm not sure it's appropriate for a high school student," Robby Warner said after two of her children saw the video. Another parent, Casey Goodwin, said, "I think it glorifies Satan in some way."
There's a support site set up for her here. Here's some other opera-based lesson plans from local alternative weekly Westword:
Vincenzo Bellini's Norma: Have kids out of wedlock and you could get burned -- at the stake.
Giuseppe Verdi's Rigoletto: If you had a hump and a limp, you'd want a handicapped parking space, too.
Wolfgang Mozart's Cosi fan Tutte: You can resolve jealousy issues without violence. (Get counseling.)
Verdi's La Traviata: If you don't take your medicine, you'll cough yourself to death.
Giacomo Puccini's La Tosca: To defend yourself against sexual abuse, stab the perp.
Gioacchino Rossini's The Barber of Seville: Gay people can really be clever --Carson Kressley is nothing compared to Figaro. (This opera also teaches the values of recycling, since Rossini used the overture from a previous, less successful show.)
Rossini's Cinderella: Charity has its own virtues. (This opera is guaranteed to make you give to Toys for Tots.)
Georges Bizet's Carmen: If you're a tease, you're going to get it in the end. (And smoking will kill you, too.)
Richard Wagner's The Flying Dutchman: There are better ways to share needles, the "Sewing Chorus" shows.
Puccini's La Bohème: Never give up on your dreams, even though you'll probably be living in a freezing attic forever.
Puccini's Madame Butterfly: The U.S. Armed Forces keep their promises.
Engelbert Humperdinck's Hansel and Gretel: None of this would have happened if the kids had just been in school.
Terry C-
I took it you were referring to the Tim McVeighs and Lee Harvey Oswalds of the world (not to mention Ollie North).
spinoza
Exactly.
I didn't mean EVERYONE IN UNIFORM.
Fucking CHILL, BD!
What parent would let their child serve in Iraq?
I blogger about this the other week. You have GOT to go read Katherine Boo's article in the New Yorker called "Swamp Nurse." You'll see the kind of young people who have NO other choice than to go to Iraq. Hint: They are NOT college Republicans.
Yikes. Next thing you know somebody's gonna spit on the returning vets...
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Try to control your inner Republican, would you? I think she has a valid point. Oh, and I, too, am a fifteen year veteran of the infantry.
Chocolate Proton!
Thank you.
I wonder if he speaks to his mother in such a tone!
Again, I was talking about the ones who HAVE that mindset.
The Tailhook crowd prolly didn't like competing with women and blamed them if they didn't get what they felt they should. Chauvinist pigs with a decided lack of self-esteem.
The troops are crazy scared, have become more ruthless, but are, for the most part, human. I am certainly not excusing the rapes. No way. But their situation doesn't really compare to Tailhook or the Air Force Academy outrages.
I feel sorry for the troops. Really sorry.
I must say I was lucky enough to fix/eat dinner before Atrios posted this. I've read stories like this before, but I'll be goddamned if we can let this keep happening.
I'm sitting here with two arms, two legs and a face that hasn't been shattered to pieces. I need some direction. What can we do?
Yes, it's coming down fairly hard and, now...
at first i didn't think you were talk'n about the snow.
i miss snow.
Another parent, Casey Goodwin, said, "I think it glorifies Satan in some way."
THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE'S JOB BUT THEY CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO SPECIFY IN WHAT WAY FAUST -- FAUST!! -- IS SATANIC?
Guess who is going to be the first to find out what a pissed off Marine is like?
Semper Fidelis
Guess who is going to be the first to find out what a pissed off Marine is like?
I'll put my money on Beetle Bailey.
Paris Hilton says the twins have been a wonderful example for her...... no really.....
pigboy
Can the three of them become "disappeared white women"???
Please?
Terry C, Coldplayer | 02.11.06 - 6:46 pm | #
The only reason I would not want them to dissapear is they would be in the news daily then and we would have to listen to their weeping parents daily and I see too much of shrub and hilton as it is.... other than that it is a great idea
I feel sorry for the troops. Really sorry.
pie
Well, sorry!
I apologize.
Regarding PTSD in the returning troops: they are in for more problems when they get home and go to the VA for help.
I blogged on some of the latest troubles back in December here.
Apparently supporting the troops only goes so far.
Ooh, tell me more Barndog!
Take your misplaced anger out somewhere else.
THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE'S JOB BUT THEY CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO SPECIFY IN WHAT WAY FAUST -- FAUST!! -- IS SATANIC?
kei & yuri
Well, Faust sells his soul to the devil and lives happily ever after, so I can see their point.
I'm leaving, too, but I think I'll make some dinner. Should I have sweet & spicy spinach and peanut soup? Or pasta with garlic, tomatos, and olive oil?
I'd love the first, but I really love the second, with red pepper flakes added.
I made chicken stew and bread.
Want to have a smörgåsbord?
Perhaps Atrios can confirm this. It is my suspicion that fy is just another identity of shoelimpy, who in the last few days has been posting primarily under the the name frank. Atriots may recall his shenanigans from a few months ago...
BANNED BY FASCISTS REDUX
http://shoelimpy.blogspot.com/
20...py_archive.html
First it happened to Annie. Now its happened to me. We've been banned from posting at Atrios. As if posting at Atrios was some sort of great wonderful pleasure that we should be so thankful for that we should not be allowed to say a word in defense of Bush because we might get banned by fascists politically correct BASTARDS who are unable to handle freedom and liberty.
I cannot believe the state of LIBERAL HYPOCRISY in this country. All the time liberals are whining about free speech this and save the rainforest that. But when it comes time to actually put their money where their mouth is, guess what? THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT. Their inner fascist comes out and next thing you know any critical voice is SILENCED.
Why silence those who would join with you in healthy discussion? There is no reason for it. It is asinine. It is insane. It is very, very evil. What Satan inspired anti-liberty pinko pc nightmare is this?
I feel sickened by my fellow Americans.
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Shoelimpy's real name is Allen Butler. He fancies himself a writer. Drop by and rate his work...
http://
www.associatedcontent.com...ent_type_id=752
My mother died when I served my country - they sent me home to bury her - asshole.
THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE'S JOB BUT THEY CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO SPECIFY IN WHAT WAY FAUST -- FAUST!! -- IS SATANIC?
kei & yuri
Satan is in the White House.
Well, the weather here is horrendous.
No going out to din-din tonight.
My mother died when I served my country - they sent me home to bury her - asshole.
Barndog, troll destroyer
Dude, chill!
I wonder what those parents would think of Paradise Lost done with hand puppets.
We've been banned from posting at Atrios.
WE'VE been banned?
He and his other personalities?
Hecate: I get The New Yorker at the library so will check it out on Monday. (Though I would read any article by a writer named "Katherine Boo"!)
I know what parents and children don't have much choice. I guess it's what's called a backdoor draft of the poor.
Sad times....
Well, sorry!
Hey, that was not a criticism of your comment. It's just my opinion.
War brings out man's baser nature, doesn't it?
Hell on earth.
Strangely coincidentally, I ran into my Marine Recon buddy today... he's working a lot less lately, so he's angrier than usual... he's been carrying his shit around for about 20 years now. Hmmmm... maybe it's time him and I had a long sit-down again...
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Terry C does need to be clearer, though. This isn't the first time we thought she should cycle thoughts a few more times before hitting Publish.
But their situation doesn't really compare to Tailhook or the Air Force Academy outrages.
The main difference being that was peacetime, institutionalized (Co's watching and approving), with plenty of other avenues. Here you have the stress of war without any kind of release; you put a perfectly normal man in the right situation and he will eventually turn into a rapist or molester. There are situations we are not meant to be in. In Ariel Dorfman's DatM, there is a certain emphasis on the fact that the doctor wasn't a "ticking time bomb" or someone who went into medicine to be abusive, but he became aware of certain power he now had and it became too tempting to take advantage of it.
Better yet, what if they were forced to choose between Faust with hand puppets or the Gospel of John with colored vibrators?
I wonder what those parents would think of Paradise Lost done with hand puppets.
Or the Bible, especially the OT
"Why silence those who would join with you in healthy discussion?"
Healthy discussion?
shoelimpy talks nonsense and annieangel namesteals and posts the most stupid, illiterate crap imaginable.
Maybe a troll thinks that's healthy. I don't.
"THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE'S JOB BUT THEY CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO SPECIFY IN WHAT WAY FAUST -- FAUST!! -- IS SATANIC?
kei & yuri"
I just got done watching the 1926 Murnau film version of Faust. What a coinkydink. Guess that makes me a satanist too =p
The absence of logic is amazing, though, isn't it....
1. Refer to the devil
2. ????
3. Glorify satanism!
It's the same mindset of the administration of course...
1. Criticize the preznit.
2. ????
3. Hate the troops!
Moving along.............
Time has a pic of Bush w/ Abramoff.
Not the kiss on the cheek I was hoping for, but there are more out there...
Remember Tailhook?
Terry C
That was degenerate flyboys.
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If fy has been banned, good. What a waste of white space.
It's the same mindset of the administration of course...
1. Criticize the preznit.
2. ????
3. Hate the troops!
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Underpants Gnomes!
The troops are crazy scared, have become more ruthless, but are, for the most part, human. I am certainly not excusing the rapes. No way. But their situation doesn't really compare to Tailhook or the Air Force Academy outrages.
pie
I disagree. In my world, assaulting, raping, and killing a woman is always worse than simple assault, sexual coersion, assault & rape, and generalized contempt for women.
It's clear, I think, that several of the services, the Navy comes to mind most frequently, have an institutionalized hatred of women for reasons that are not entirely clear to me. In fact, I just don't get it. But that doesn't blind me to the fact that it is there.
As bad as an inbred institutional bias is, and it's pretty bad, I can't say that it is worse than what is happening in Iraq on a daily basis. It's not just the assaults, rapes, and associated killings; it's also the forced strategies to avoid the assaults, rapes, and murders that tragically end in death.
I, too, feel sorry for this group of troops. They are utterly without moral leadership of any sort. There is NO ONE who can stand up and say, "Follow me and do as I do." What do we have over there? An officer corps that is party to torture, kidnapping, extortion, murder, rape, and who knows what else? As a veteran, I have no respect for those officers, and I'm sure their NCOs and junior enlisted folks have even less respect than I do for them. One cannot respect and follow a corrupt person without losing something vital within.
what comes to mind is circular arguments in which one party will not listen and has no intentions of listening. the point is to agree with the circular argument, nothing more.
Gee... project much?
I just got done watching the 1926 Murnau film
NAZI!! How dare you glorify German culture!
that was sad.
Casey Goodwin, said, "I think it glorifies Satan in some way."
Translation: I never saw the opera; I never read the book; in fact, I have never heard of Faust until my minister talked about it this weekend and said it was Satanic.
Now, shut up while I watch Desperate Housewives on my plasma screen tv and eat Doritos.
I wonder what those parents would think of Paradise Lost done with hand puppets. spinoza
God forbid the school cafeteria serve any of those evil Underwood Red Devil products!
Guess who is going to be the first to find out what a pissed off Marine is like?
Semper Fidelis
Barndog, troll destroyer
My money says it'll be your Mom.
Your daughter is downtown, right? She should be fine.
If by downtown you mean near Dupont, yes. She doesn't have a car, so she will be fine. Worried a bit about the Metro and getting to work on Monday.
My other one will be flying back from CO on Monday, but she should be okay, too.
DEVILED HAM!!!!
Get thee behind me, pork chop!
We're sorry for this, but there is no marine who can hear it asked "Why is there this mysogyny in the Navy?" and not at least think, "What need does any self-respecting Seaman have for women?"
New anti-blog diatribe: WaPo's Jim Brady kicks the sleeping dog.
He gets the first sentence right, it's downhill from there.
In case folks haven't seen it, here is Jim Brady's latest, gratuitous shot over the bow. Someone still doesn't get it and thinks Debbie just made, you know, a minor clerical error, no harm, no foul. And, Atrios, at various points, I think he gives a tip of the hat to both you and Jane.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...1001914_pf.html
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can someone remove FY's posts again?
We're sorry for this, but there is no marine who can hear it asked "Why is there this mysogyny in the Navy?" and not at least think, "What need does any self-respecting Seaman have for women?"
Smithers: I think women and semen don't mix.
Burns: We know what you think!
WE ARE AT WAR!!!
sorry, some how seemed in context.
Wow, whatever the "fy"-troll's selling, I'm buying! Good one! You rule! Please post often here, your eloquence is always a treat!
Fucking asshole.
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can someone remove FY's posts again?
Whole lotta nuttin' goin on.
Chocolate Proton!
You forgot: "And if you do what we say and get caught, we'll blame you and it's off to Leavenworth!"
Maybe a troll thinks that's healthy. I don't.
Two nights ago, I managed to corner our resident troll, and we ended up having this exchange...
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You got a problem Richard?
With a person who keeps on switching identities and posts nonsense to troll for the sake of trolling? Nah.
Richard
http://www.haloscan.com/
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Hey Richard,
You are full of shit.
I don't troll although what I have to say could be interprated as nonsense. Sure.
But the rest of what you say is just bullshit. I'm not trying to bother anyone or calling anyone a troll like you. I have changed my name a because I was tired of it but so what. No one pays any attention to me anyway. Except you.
Danny Guam
http://www.haloscan.com/
comments...6785867#4079977
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After I posted this...
http://www.haloscan.com/
comments...8725101#4080263
Our friend responded...
I don't crave attention I'm just bored, and the reactions to my posts and others here are soemtimes funny and mildly entertaining. I'm a liberal and this thread, at least the part I am involved in has nothing to do with politics. I think the people who bandy about the word "brownshirt" in a thread that is mostly about culture and NOT politics or ideology are those ones who crave attention. I'm having a pretty good time myself, typing, reading others comments, and marveling at some peoples obsession with themselves as some sort of team leader or haloscan guru judges. Go back to being worried about trolls. Find some more blogposts to post on haloscan. Your a real journalist, keep up the good work.
Happy Town
http://www.haloscan.com/
comments...8725101#4080275
I never saw the opera; I never read the book; in fact, I have never heard of Faust until my minister talked about it this weekend and said it was Satanic.
Culture?
That's just for furriners and libruls.
Murkans don't need no further culture than the NFL, American Idol and the WWE.
My mother died when I served my country - they sent me home to bury her - asshole.
Barndog, troll destroyer
I was going to be nasty right back at you, but at this point you just sound pathetic. Get some help. There are veteran support groups out there that can get you some counselling, maybe even some meds. Clearly, you need to work on your inappropriate anger management.
I'm not dumping on you. I've been there myself.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1604797
This is the story I find troubling. Snipers can take on a kind of popularized heroic persona. An occupying army is particularly vunerable them, especially in urban settings. You need look no farther than how long it took to catch the DC sniper.
A few months ago the word was it was a Chechen operating out of Fallujah. Whoever it is, it's not good news that he's getting air play about his success.
I'm not dumping on you. I've been there myself.
Chocolate Proton! | 02.11.06 - 7:07 pm |
You certainly sound pretty bitchy here.
isn't it amazing
how we can remain
moral men
when we've seen 10
100
one thousand dead corpses
at one time?
It's clear, I think, that several of the services, the Navy comes to mind most frequently, have an institutionalized hatred of women for reasons that are not entirely clear to me. In fact, I just don't get it. But that doesn't blind me to the fact that it is there.
Oh, I totally agree. But since I've never been in the military, I have that impression because of what I've read about Tailhook, etc.
I, too, feel sorry for this group of troops. They are utterly without moral leadership of any sort. There is NO ONE who can stand up and say, "Follow me and do as I do."
That and the rest of your comment describes exactly what's most tragic here. That and the fact that these troops know that they serve no higher purpose - they are not protecting America or advancing freedom and democracy.
It must have been a bitter pill to swallow.
pie,
Dupont metro is underground so it should run w/ no problem. It will just be a bit more crowded than usual as some folks who normally drive will take metro. And everything in Dupont will be open tomorrow, including the farmers' market, I bet.
Two nights ago, I managed to corner our resident troll, and we ended up having this exchange...
Which one?
We seem to have so many these days.
Barndog,
I assume you saw this. Interesting, no?
Ugh, that's a fucking depressing article. 
Do trolls go away if you ignore them enough times???
JACK RIPPER
was
on
to
something...
Re: Brady, this is the money quote that he keeps pretending not to understand (but keeps repeating): "In fact, Abramoff directed clients to give to members of both parties..."
In *fact*, Mr. Brady, that's a blatant and intentional distortion. And *that* is why we all think you're full of shit.
You forgot: "And if you do what we say and get caught, we'll blame you and it's off to Leavenworth!"
NYMary
While the Commander In Thief just goes his merry way..........
Do trolls go away if you ignore them enough times???
Tom Truthful |
Some don't.
Here you have the stress of war without any kind of release; you put a perfectly normal man in the right situation and he will eventually turn into a rapist or molester.
kei & yuri
I respectfully disagree. As a former practicing militarist it is my experience that with good leadership from people who are themselves solid, morally upright (i.e., NOT Republicans), and responsible, any number of troops can be subjected to high stress combat situations for long periods of time and not morph into either rapists or molesters of any sort.
What we no longer have is an officer corps with decent moral values.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
Cognitive dissonance -- reading a newspaper article on amputees while watching the Olympics.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
rorschach
Did I miss another party?
Sanchez's attitude was: "The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory," Karpinski quoted him as saying.
So rape by fellow troops is part of the territory? So generals seeing troops as whores is part of the territory. So generals seeing troops as women troops as expendable. So generals covering up crimes on soldiers is part of the territory?
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
rorschach
Best two out of three?
Waitaminnit...
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Here you have the stress of war without any kind of release; you put a perfectly normal man in the right situation and he will eventually turn into a rapist or molester.
I totally agree - that and Chocolate Proton's astute observation that there is no moral leadership.
Ugh, that's a fucking depressing article.
Yep.
I have a student in class this semester. I asked them to write about the worst job they'd ever had. His? Soldier in Afghanistan. He talked about providing sniper cover to keep people in a town when the airstrikes were called in, then going in to scope out the damage. He said he lifted a fallen wall to find a woman and a baby, still at the breast, both dead.
We will never know what we've done to these kids. Never.
I will stand beside Barndog.
moral leadership is being weeded out only the cruel remain
The Failure of Leadership Presidency.
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Jeebus. I never know quite what to make of these articles; this kid, Schilling, insisting that "it" was all worth losing his leg. Whatever "it" is. Asking him to explain would just be counter-productive. The reality of "it" all is profoundly depressing, and hopefully his Marine training will help him to cope with all that in a productive way.
But Christ. He's only 21 years old. He has his whole life ahead of him, which just makes it all the more depressing. Bush and Cheney and Rummy certainly don't deserve the likes of Corporal Schilling.
This excerpt took me by surprise:
In Landstuhl, a picturesque German town with green trees, rolling hills and beer gardens, the initial relief of surviving a blast or a firefight begins to fade for wounded soldiers. In a place that looks more like home, reality creeps in. Visitors told Corporal Schilling to stay positive. One of them was Maj. Gen. John J. McCarthy, deputy commander of the Marine forces in Europe.
But outside the hospital unit, the general looked grim. "There's not a kid in that unit who knew what they were getting into," he said. "When I asked them, are you ready to go?, they would say, 'Yes, sir.' But then I'd look at those 18-, 19-, 20-year-olds, two weeks out of boot camp, and thought, no, they are not ready for this struggle. I knew how scared they were, how reluctant they were."
He added, "Men like this one have shown more courage than we had the right to expect from them."
So, is Rummy going to have General McCarthy counting caribou shit in Nome henceforth, or were his words carefully measured enough for the pleasure of the boy-king and his regents? This is not a buck private, this is a major general, a deputy commander. This seems big, too big to be stuffed into the middle of a long article.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
You can keep the lash.
I will stand beside Barndog.
mer
Hey, I apologize, okay?????????????
OT (sorta kinda), but in keeping with the current over-burdening of our military.
BushCo continues its sabre rattling in the general direction of Iran. A retired Pakistani fighter jet pilot took a look at the US stance and wrote an "open letter" to the Neocons.
I blogged on it here
we
bloggers
are
that
FUCKING BIRD
in
the
proverbial
coal
mine.
say?
anybody
besides
me
have
a
hard
time
breathing?
freedom
of
speach
goes
out
in
here...
the party's over.
Proton, we said "in the right situation," and then you go and set up a situation that isn't "right." You are granting our conclusion with your proviso about people whose job it specificaly is to prevent conditions from deteriorating.
Schilling, insisting that "it" was all worth losing his leg.
Denial, anger, bargaining, resignation, acceptance.
In a healthy person.
He talked about providing sniper cover to keep people in a town when the airstrikes were called in, then going in to scope out the damage. He said he lifted a fallen wall to find a woman and a baby, still at the breast, both dead.
Aw, Jesus Christ. Shit.Fuck.Damn.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
You can keep the lash.
NYMary
It's a deal.
Sweetie thanks you GWPDA.
I do also.
.
JohnJS
Oooooooh, I hope they fit! GWPDA thought they would and the Two Legs is the one with the plastic - but I KNOW that the Booda and the canvas Foxy (just like the one Kent sent me) will be just the thing - I almost wouldn't let Two Legs put them in the box!
Squeak-a-rama, Sweetie!
anybody
besides
me
have
a
hard
time
breathing?
You'd breathe easier if you got down off that pedestal and spat out the shit.
And everything in Dupont will be open tomorrow, including the farmers' market, I bet.
I love that farmer's market there.
You think it will be open? Wow.
He said he lifted a fallen wall to find a woman and a baby, still at the breast, both dead.
We will never know what we've done to these kids. Never.
NYMary
First lady to lead Olympic delegation.
While Pickles is away, Condi will play.
Time to call in an order for Thai food.
Anyone hungry?
I have friends who work for the EFF.
They think 'fy' is a fucking wanker.
Aw, Jesus Christ. Shit.Fuck.Damn.
Yep. I was thinking "working overtime without pay" or "my boss pinched my ass." Not this kind of damage.
He tells me he's written a book.
i'd never join the military. i absolutely can not stand anyone telling me what to do.
but if i were over there i'd be smok'n hella cigs.
and shoot'n anything that moved.
barndog, my brother is an x marine. and while i don't imagine he'd ever rape anyone, he is a brutal, violent, savage bastard, even more so when he was in the corps. who knows how he might have twisted had he actually been subjected to combat.
hopefully these kids will be ok. hopefully bush will ultimately pay the price for this perfidy.
Queen Pickels........... all hail Queen Pickels..........
Christ. I just read the NYT article.
What we - as a country - have asked and continue to ask of our soldiers.
When we invaded Iraq, I cried like a baby, now I cry about our own killed and maimed. Though it's not a useful emotion, I hate Bush et al every fucking day for what they have done.
I wish they could suffer in the same way as those they have injured do, daily.
He said he lifted a fallen wall to find a woman and a baby, still at the breast, both dead.
We will never know what we've done to these kids. Never.
NYMary
Let alone what we've done to those Iraqis.
Shit. Off to find beer.
-
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
Biccardi rum or Captain Morgan?
Well.. on the bright side, I'm right in the hot zone for 18"+ of snow.. or something..
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
EXCELEENT album.
This is from a column written by Bob Herbert in November 2004:
"It was the lightest tap on my door that I've ever heard in my life," said Paula Zasadny, the mother of Specia list Holly McGeogh, a 19-year-old who was killed by a bomb in Kirkuk.
"I opened the door and I seen the man in the dress greens and I knew. I immediately knew. But I thought that if, as long as I didn't let him in, he couldn't tell me. And then it - none of that would've happened. So he kept saying, 'Ma'am, I need to come in.' And I kept telling him, 'I'm sorry, but you can't come in.' "
A retired Pakistani fighter jet pilot took a look at the US stance and wrote an "open letter" to the Neocons.
Thanks for that link, Diane.
You forgot: "And if you do what we say and get caught, we'll blame you and it's off to Leavenworth!"
NYMary
Would that it were so. The troops might then think twice about following blatantly illegal orders. However, what experience has shown is that the junior person is the one who gets charged and gets away with a slap on the wrist. The ones who don't get charged must be getting some sort of reward and I shudder to think what that might be.
Which one?
We seem to have so many these days.
An army consisting of but a few, perhaps only one.
Allen Butler/Shoelimpy has been posting here under many names.
Most commonly in the last few days as frank, but he is been posting as Soaring Patriotic Eagle, Texas Chili Bean, Red State Patriot, hans, and others too numerous to mention.
His usual pattern is the one line post, for example...
Under socialized medicine complaint and liability would become an impossible burden.
frank
Weather here is the pits!
The story of The Fall had a diminishing role in the christian religion after Milton's treatment in Paradise Lost.
Terry C, Coldplayer, I should have added I really like to read your comments.
This is such a touchy subject, it's hard to figure out the right thing for me to say. Barndog has been here in the morning ever since I started reading. Can I love you both? I think so.
We will never know what we've done to these kids. Never.
NYMary
It is, I think, our duty now to try to know, to try to understand, to try to help. That's what Bush has passed on to us: A serious responsibility.
Well.. on the bright side, I'm right in the hot zone for 18"+ of snow.. or something..
Lucky! We're only s'posed to get 3". At least my flight out of IAD was able to get out before the weather hit in earnest...
There is at most one frank.
No, frank's different than the rest.
His usual pattern is the one line post, for example...
Under socialized medicine complaint and liability would become an impossible burden.
frank
Richard | Email | 02.11.06 - 7:19 pm | #
The story of The Fall had a diminishing role in the christian religion after Milton's treatment in Paradise Lost.
jack | 02.11.06 - 7:19 pm | #
QED.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
You can keep the lash.
NYMary
It's a deal.
Actually, you can keep the rum, too. But get me liquored up and I'll try anything 3 or 4 times...
kei & yuri...
what pedestal?
i thought we just wore masks
on the net?
Frank said last night he was a Marxist.
How's Mexico?
Arthur would like to know - he takes an interest.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
EXCELEENT album.
Thers, Insolent Partisan
That it most certainly is.
Under socialized medicine complaint and liability would become an impossible burden.
frank
And living under Prince Fuckwit isn't an impossible burden?
It is, I think, our duty now to try to know, to try to understand, to try to help. That's what Bush has passed on to us: A serious responsibility.
You're right. To send them into this, and then to cut VA services.... of all the crimes this admin has committed, this ne is particularly egregious. "Sorry, chump. Your grandpa got the GI Bill. You? Pay for your own goddamn armor and mental health."
Hey, who here has a double bed? This is the most beautiful vintage sheet and somebody needs to buy it. The price is great. No kidding. I wouldn't steer you wrong.
I have nothin' to do with this scroll shit. I just post benign nonsense.
Lucky! We're only s'posed to get 3". At least my flight out of IAD was able to get out before the weather hit in earnest...
NTodd, Land Shark
Yeah, I'm so excited to shovel snow. Really. That's good for you, though.
On the selfish side, the snow will bring all the birds/squirrels to the feeders..
It is, I think, our duty now to try to know, to try to understand, to try to help. That's what Bush has passed on to us: A serious responsibility.
Word.
As part of his alternative service during Nam, my dad did PT at the hospital in Williamsport, PA. Some of his patients were vets, and he was dismayed by the destruction of body and soul. Fortunately, he was in a position to help to some extent.
What can we do until we rid ourselves of Bush and his faux compassionate cronies?
We will never know what we've done to these kids. Never.
NYMary - 7:13 pm
allow me to disagree, NYM...
"we" know all too well...
but "we" won't do fuck-all more about it than we did 30 years ago...'everybody' knows, but 'everybody' is in serious denial...
the troops are as expendable as munitions. that's the first thing that hits you, really: that you're of less value than a jeep, in the scheme of things...
.
NTodd,
Do you have to fly back west?
But get me liquored up and I'll try anything 3 or 4 times...
NTodd, Land Shark
Well, all right then!
I just want to thank who ever is removing FY's posts
What is so fucked is that common everyday carpet baggers are in charge of everything. They are out for the money and nothing more. Maybe not Jeebus shrub...... but repukes use his delusions as a means to their ends and they only see shrub as a twit to take advantage of under the guise of conservatisim. They follow nothing but the money and the power.
On the selfish side, the snow will bring all the birds/squirrels to the feeders..
Cool! More pictures for me to not upload! 
Terry C, Coldplayer, I should have added I really like to read your comments.
This is such a touchy subject, it's hard to figure out the right thing for me to say. Barndog has been here in the morning ever since I started reading. Can I love you both? I think so.
mer
Thank you!
I
Cool! More pictures for me to not upload!
NTodd, Land Shark
Yessir!
NTodd, Feb 22-26?
HoneyBear...I recall that quote from Bob Herbert, referred to in Joan Didion's lastest.
Haunting image.
Good threading!
Peace On...
GWDPA
the borscht is gone from christmastime
erego I don;t know if i can mail you soem
I totally agree - that and Chocolate Proton's astute observation that there is no moral leadership.
pie - and there is no moral leadership because there is no real reason for this fucking war and everyone knows it. Our soldiers know the country is not behind the war and they're over there killing people. It has to break down something inside them.
If NTodd's here when Sen comes, does he have to babysit? Or does he come to the birthing center?
My god
Gravavtar's?
Here's my email to Jim Brady:
I can't believe you are *still* misleading your readers on this point.
Having been one of the posters on the Post site and having heard and read some of your interviews following the debacle, I know that you understand why people were and still are angry with you. That you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the real point and instead keep bashing the commenters while failing to produce the (varying number of) comments you deemed so offensive simply further underscores your lack of credibility.
Once again, you have written: "In her Jan. 15 column, Howell erred in saying that Abramoff gave campaign donations to Democrats as well as Republicans. In fact, Abramoff directed clients to give to members of both parties, but he had donated his own personal funds only to Republicans."
You have yet to offer one single shred of *evidence* that "Abramoff directed clients to give to members of both parties." You keep *saying* that he did, and you've referred to some kind of documentary record of it, but *nothing* published in the Post or elsewhere supports your contention. That some tribes *did* give to Democrats while working with Abramoff is a fact. However, it is also a fact that they gave *more* to them *before* they started working with Abramoff. Further, they gave *much more* to Republicans after working with Abramoff.
It is flat-out a distortion to conclude that Abramoff was *advising* them to give to Dems, when all the evidence points to his advising them *not* to give to Dems, but rather to Republicans. That, of course, would be consistent with his entire known history of fundraising and lobbying, whereas your repeated assertion makes zero sense and is unsupported by anything but your repetition of it.
I know for a fact that this point was repeatedly raised in the blog comments you claim to have read so closely, because I and others made it. And I heard Al Franken push you on this issue as well. So I conclude that your feigned surprise and ignorance of people's outrage that you not only did *not* correct the error, but keep repeating it, is nothing but a rather lame bit of public theater. Apparently, you cannot be shamed into admitting your deceit, so I give up.
Oh shit.
The return of the gravatar.
Huh? How come all the sudden I'm seeing gravatars again?
On the selfish side, the snow will bring all the birds/squirrels to the feeders..
You... sick... bastard.
Feeding on helpless birds and squirrels because they're trapped by the snow?
I can see you now, biting off the head of a cute li'l starling, its song stilled forever, gore dripping down onto your T-shirt...
Monster.
O my god - Gravatars!
avast, olexicon!
is that a gravatar i see?
how did ye manage that?
If NTodd's here when Sen comes, does he have to babysit? Or does he come to the birthing center?
He will Obey.
*YAWN*
Any redeeming qualities to this thread?
Do you have to fly back west?
Thank Ba'al, NO!
I made the reasonable observation that the customer's instructor, having had a 3-day train-the-trainer session and a whole week to prepare prolly could deliver 1.5 days worth of material without my holding his hand. My boss, the customer, and the instructor all agreed.
The story of The Fall had a diminishing role in the christian religion after Milton's treatment in Paradise Lost.
jack
MArk E smith was a genius!
Hey, gravatars!
NTodd, Feb 22-26?
Might work. I'll already be in Fairport, which is not a coupla hours from Liberal Mountain.
I don't see gravatars.... weird.
He will Obey.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
Resistance is futile.
I think fy is queer for Howard Dean,
But knows he can never have him!
Hence, the bitterness.
Any redeeming qualities to this thread?
mena
the men are handsome and charming
and the ladies are gorgeous and well-read
You... sick... bastard.
Feeding on helpless birds and squirrels because they're trapped by the snow?
I can see you now, biting off the head of a cute li'l starling, its song stilled forever, gore dripping down onto your T-shirt...
Monster.
Thers
Well, actually I don't get any starlings at my feeders. Too wooded in this area. And I doubt anyone would be sorry that a starling was silenced...
Oh, and FEAR THE HAND!
Thank Ba'al, NO!
Well, that's a relief.
MArk E smith was a genius!
I prefer Marky Mark.
Do you have to fly back west?
Forgive me, but that should be phrased:
Do you have to fly out west?
'Back' always refers to the east. 'Out' refers to the west.
Carry on.
I prefer Marky Mark.
NTodd, Land Shark
that wasn;t his dick in Boogie Knights
The story of The Fall had a diminishing role in the christian religion after Milton's treatment in Paradise Lost.
jack
MArk E smith was a genius!
olexicon, rooster synonym
You're spoiling all the paintwork!
Tom Truthful I just finished reading that book.
I thought it would depress me but it didn't.
It brought some things to light.
OMG, gavartars are back!
I have nothin' to do with this scroll shit. I just post benign nonsense.
Says the person who has boasted about getting banned from several different websites after disrupting their message boards...
Top Five Boards to Ban Shoelimpy™ in 2005
http://shoelimpy.blogspot.com/20...y-
in.html#links
I don't see gravatars.... weird.
I see dead gravatars.
Proton, we said "in the right situation," and then you go and set up a situation that isn't "right." You are granting our conclusion with your proviso about people whose job it specificaly is to prevent conditions from deteriorating.
kei & yuri
Good point. As I read it (and just recently reread it), the "right" situation thing just wouldn't click the appropriate mental switches for me to catch your nuance. My bad.
To clarify (hopefully), in my experience, if we are in the right situation, then things don't go awry. It is only when we are in the wrong sitation that things go to shit. It is the responsibility of the leadership to make bloody certain that we remain in the right situation. The price we all pay is simply too high if we in the chain of command don't do our job at the highest level possible.
And that's what I've been seeing for the past three years. An incompetent, immoral, and uncaring chain of command. And let me tell you who sets the tone. The President. And it goes down from there. Literally.
When I was just a young rifleman, none of this stuff about morality, leadership, and responsibility meant much to me. For reasons that have no bearing on this conversation. It is only as I grew older and carried the responsibilities that I became aware of what it meant, not just its impact on the troops I was responsible for, but the impact on myself.
It's one thing to be a private and diss your leadership for doing or failing to do something appropriate. It's something else entirely to be the one whose actions matter.
Which is why the Imperial Shitwit (to blatantly steal someone else's brilliant characterization) should never be allowed withing 600 miles of a leadership situation. He cannot hack it. And these kids are paying the price.
If I were a religious person, I'd fall down on my knees every night of my life, thanking god that while I was a private the president I served was Jimmy Carter and not some slimeball Republican.
mena,
Depends of what you mean by redeeming. Me, I'm resting a bit after an outing before moving furniture around. (But don't tell ql, okay? She'd kill me!)
I'll already be in Fairport, which is not a coupla hours from Liberal Mountain.
I have that Thurs & Fri off.
Any redeeming qualities to this thread?
mena | 02.11.06 - 7:29 pm
well, now there's gravatars again, the attraction of merely "me" wanes somewhat , i suppose
'Back' always refers to the east. 'Out' refers to the west.
But he just flew east last night.
So, who's up for rum, sodomy, and the lash?
rorschach
Did I miss another party?
flory
Don't know about sodomy and the lash, but the Gem is sponsoring co-ed two man luge teams. We want to start practicng now for the 2010 Olympics.
Flory? I know Vicki's game.
You're spoiling all the paintwork!
rorschach
You think he should leave the capitol?
and there is no moral leadership because there is no real reason for this fucking war and everyone knows it.
And those in the military, btw, who have been shocked and outraged by Abu Ghraib, the killing of innocent civilians, and the other abuses suffered by the population have not done enough to stop any of this.
Where is their courage?
Forgive me, but that should be phrased:
Do you have to fly out west?
'Back' always refers to the east. 'Out' refers to the west.
Well, that's normally true, but since I was just Out West, 'back' works here in the non-colloquial, more literal sense.
And why the fuck do we have a teeny comment window and a 10,000 character limit? Is fy using his 1337 skillz to pwn us loosers?
How do you get your gravatars back?
I wonder if a civilian population ever knows how to deal with returning warriors, even if the war in question had total public approval.
WHOA! The Haloscan box just got verrrrry tiny. Freakshow.
I have that Thurs & Fri off.
Cool! We can drink lots of whiskey, and if NYMary goes into labor, I can play Yu-gi-yoh with the 6yo to keep him occupied whilst his mom grabs your lower lip...
So. I really like my gravatar.
JeffCO: good letter
Gravatars?
Gravatars are back? WTF?
Haloscan is being fucked up. Is anyone else suddenly getting the tiny comments box?
Freakshow.
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F)
boo!
Yep, I am, Thers. Weird.
now the comment box is truncated- WTF?
Now it's back to normal size.
Now let's see. The gravatars are smaller, but he comment window is tiny.
Look!
Icons!
Is anyone else suddenly getting the tiny comments box?
Yes, and I resent the implied censorship!
Free speech! Down with Dean! Can't touch this!
Oops. Now the regularly sized box is back.
Where is their courage?
pie
It seems that a few are running for office with justice in mind.
now the comment box is normaL
It's a mad mad mad mad mad world
You think he should leave the capitol?
Phila
Well, it was the fault of the government.
We should just meet up at the steak place.
Now it's big again.
This is all wacky End Times, seven seals and four horsemen shit.
I don't see gravatars.... weird.
NYMary
===
Oh, you're there. And my comment box is now big enough to hold two words at once, so no proofreading.
rorscach - if you're still here and still unable to sleep, I think I have the answer. Smoke enormous quantities of ganja, go sit down to look at your mail, and voila!
Can't touch this!
Oops. Now the regularly sized box is back.
masculine_monica_nyc
stop
monica time
(dances around in hammer pants)
I don't need to tell QL - you cut that out right now!
Now let's see. The gravatars are smaller, but he comment window is tiny.
Shrinkage! Must be the blizzard...
WHOA! The Haloscan box just got verrrrry tiny. Freakshow.
Could barely fit the above quote....
.
And the gravatars are gone again. Rorschach! Hold me! Or just have another drink!
now humpty is gone again
blast!
Joke of the day:
When you occasionally have a really bad day, and you just need to take it out on someone, don't take it out on someone you know, take it out on someone you don't know.
I was sitting at my desk when I remembered a phone call I'd forgotten to make. I found the number and dialed it. A man answered, saying "Hello."
I politely said, "This is Chris. Could I please speak with Robyn Carter?"
Suddenly a manic voice yelled out in my ear "Get the right fucking number!" and the phone was slammed down on me.
I couldn't believe that anyone could be so rude. When I tracked down Robyn's correct number to call her, I found that I had accidentally transposed the last two digits. After hanging up with her, I decided to call the 'wrong' number again.
When the same guy answered the phone, I yelled "You're an asshole!" and hung up. I wrote his number down with the word 'asshole' next to it, and put it in my desk drawer.
Every couple of weeks, when I was paying bills or had a really bad day, I'd call him up and yell, "You're an asshole!" It always cheered me up.
When Caller ID was introduced, I thought my therapeutic "asshole calling" would have to stop. So, I called his number and said, "Hi, this is John Smith from Verizon. I'm calling to see if you're familiar with our Caller ID Program?"
He yelled "NO!" and slammed down the phone. I quickly called him back and said, "That's because you're an asshole!"
One day I was at the store, getting ready to pull into a parking spot. Some guy in a black BMW cut me off and pulled into the spot I had patiently waited for. I hit the horn and yelled that I'd been waiting for that spot, but the idiot ignored me. I noticed a "For Sale" sign
in his back window which included his phone number, so I wrote down the number.
A couple of days later, right after calling the first asshole (I had his number on speed dial) I thought that I'd better call the BMW asshole, too. I said, "Is this the man with the black BMW for sale?"
"Yes, it is", he said.
"Can you tell me where I can see it?" I asked.
"Yes, I live at 34 Mowbray Blvd, in Vaucluse. It's a yellow house, and the car's parked right out in front."
"What's your name?" I asked.
"My name is Don Hansen," he said.
"When's a good time to catch you, Don?"
"I'm home every evening after five."
"Listen, Don, can I tell you something?"
"Yes?"
"Don, you're an asshole!" Then I hung up, and added his number to my speed dial, too.
Now, when I had a problem, I had two assholes to call.
Then I came up with an idea. I called Asshole #1.
"Hello."
"You're an asshole!" (But I didn't hang up.)
"Are you still there?" he asked.
"Yeah," I said.
"Stop calling me," he screamed.
"Make me," I said.
"Who are you?" he asked.
"My name is Don Hansen."
"Yeah? Where do you live?"
"Asshole, I live at 34 Mowbray Blvd, Vaucluse, a yellow house, with my black Beamer parked in front."
He said, "I'm coming over right now, Don. And you had better start saying your prayers."
I said, "Yeah, like I'm really scared, asshole," and hung up.
Then I called Asshole #2. "Hello?" he said.
"Hello, asshole," I said.
He yelled, "If I ever find out who you are..."
"You'll what?" I said.
"I'll kick your as$," he exclaimed.
I answered, "Well, asshole, here's your chance. I'm coming over right now."
Then I hung up and immediately called the police, saying that I lived at 34 Mowbray Blvd, Vaucluse, and that I was on my way over there to kill my gay lover.
Then I called Channel 9 News about the gang war going down on Mowbray Blvd, Vaucluse.
I quickly got into my car and headed over to Mowbray. I got there just in time to watch two assholes beating the crap out of each other in front of six cop cars, an overhead police helicopter and a news crew.
NOW I feel much better.
Anger management really works...
It seems that a few are running for office with justice in mind.
Yes. I'm talking about the big guns though.
rorscach - if you're still here and still unable to sleep, I think I have the answer. Smoke enormous quantities of ganja, go sit down to look at your mail, and voila!
Alas, I lack the necessary resources to do so.
The key to Freudian Psychoanalysis is the pronoun "it".
Dammit , that was for mary. Haloscan left out the cite. Fucker.
gravatars come and go. but comments, well they just stay..
Hold me! Or just have another drink!
Thers, Insolent Partisan (F) |
(hums "hold me now")
Diane,
Well, you have to accept, I think, that war makes people do and see terrible things that they would never do or see otherwise. But I think we did okay by our WWII vets: they returned to a nation just back on its feet and a slew of social programs designed to help them reintegrate into society. We did none of that for our Vietnam vets, and we're certainly doing none of it now. In fact, we're slashing the help they should have been able to count on and billing them for bullshit.
I had gravatars but my Haloscan box maintained its structural integrity.
I can assure you my bad days are more than occassional.
And the gravatars are gone again. Rorschach! Hold me! Or just have another drink!
Hold my drink!
And the gravatars are gone again. Rorschach! Hold me! Or just have another drink!
Thers
I choose "C"--All of the above!
Anger management really works...
chris/tx
==
Sweet!
I knew you guys shouldn't have pissed off fy. now he's gone all Tron and shit.
(dances around in hammer pants)
He's a superfreak! Superfreak! He's Superfreaky, yeah!
And for what? Really, no good has been served.
crap.
i want gravatars.
i think mine is most appropriate to this thread.
and rum.
I don't see gravatars.... weird.
NYMary
We are being toyed with by the gods. It's just like that movie "Clash of the Titans". Is Harry Hamlin posting to this thread? We better not piss off Zeus.
...overheard at NSA:--"Dammit Bob you keep screwing around like that with Haloscan they're going to notice something's up!"
"Ah, like it matters... what did we do to deserve this gig, anyway?"
GWDPA
the borscht is gone from christmastime
erego I don;t know if i can mail you soem
Damn.
I'll have to make do with the bottled stuff.
Next year in Regina!
Now let's see. The gravatars are smaller, but he comment window is tiny.
Shrinkage! Must be the blizzard...
NTodd, Land Shark
Or in my case age.
I knew you guys shouldn't have pissed off fy. now he's gone all Tron and shit.
Greetings, Program!
He's a superfreak! Superfreak! He's Superfreaky, yeah!
Are lesbians 549% superfreakier?
I can assure you my bad days are more than occassional.
jack
jack is actually stewie griffin
Well, it was the fault of the government.
We should just meet up at the steak place.
rorschach
Fine. I'll get out the pink press threat file, new prole art the subject.
But I think we did okay by our WWII vets: they returned to a nation just back on its feet and a slew of social programs designed to help them reintegrate into society.
Economically, most definitely yes. But psychologically, not so much. PTSD was barely understood, and soldiers returning had almost no support in that regard.
We are being toyed with by the gods. It's just like that movie "Clash of the Titans". Is Harry Hamlin posting to this thread? We better not piss off Zeus.
I was thinking more about the Coke bottle in The Gods Must Be Crazy.
Next year in Regina!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
the only provincial capital named after a part of the female anatomy
I've sold two jokes to Reader's Digest.
That article just makes me sad.
Sad and angry. None of those young men should ever have been there in the first place.
I had gravatars but my Haloscan box maintained its structural integrity.
You must have reversed the polarity or recombinated the neutrinos or done some of that goddamn Geordi LaForge shit.
Richard,
I really don't need to see Lawrence Olivier in a toga, thanks.
"Ah, like it matters... what did we do to deserve this gig, anyway?"
nick carraway
"jack, you shouldn;t have yold miss rice she looked fat"
Insomnia + exercise = zzzzzzzzzzzz'
Swimming is what works best for me. Lap swimming. Not fast, just 30-40 minutes worth. Start slow though, 10-15 minutes to begin depending on your age and condition.
I've sold two jokes to Reader's Digest.
No, they're just considering to of your jokes, LT...
Fine. I'll get out the pink press threat file, new prole art the subject.
Phila
Then we can cab it uptown.
Someone is seeing gravatars?
I wanna see my gravatar again. 
I've sold two jokes to JUGGS
I just beat you all to the next thread. Ha!
Is Harry Hamlin posting to this thread? We better not piss off Zeus.
Will he curse our women with clownishly oversized collagen lips?
I try to work out but it drains me.
Are lesbians 549% superfreakier?
Studies show that lesbians are as much as 892 percent superfreakier when embiggened and rampaging through downtown Tokyo.
the troops are as expendable as munitions. that's the first thing that hits you, really: that you're of less value than a jeep, in the scheme of things...
Last year my son was able to talk his 'superiors' into providing his platoon more armor and proper weapons by pointing out the cost to the government of recruiting, training, and hospitalizing/death-benefiting a squad of force recon Marines. It came to a very large number and he got most of what he was after.
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Are lesbians 549% superfreakier?
NTodd, Land Shark
absolutely, and 71% of those are faking it... i saw it in a book
We are being toyed with by the gods.
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods. They act like total dicks.
(I might not be getting the second part of that quote right...)
Well, I guess I'll do laundry.
Feh.
I hate having the flu. It sucks ass.
hi all.
see you later. updates tomorrow, i hope.
bye, all.
Studies show that lesbians are as much as 892 percent superfreakier when embiggened and rampaging through downtown Tokyo.
And this is why I'm hot for lesbos. And Asians.
But psychologically, not so much. PTSD was barely understood, and soldiers returning had almost no support in that regard.
Fair enough. But I was thinking that the economic infrastructure represented a certain kind of cultural and social support which at least helped to ameliorate that damage.
These kids are coming back to fewer opportunities and a shittier economy than the one which forced most of them to enlist to begin with.
yeah someone is fucking with halo. everyone be nice. my comment box has changed.
gravatars
there
then
not so much
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Okay, now that's just weird. My commenting window just changed sizes. I feel like I'm steve simmels.
Without the music.
I've sold two jokes to JUGGS
As I understand it, they usually come in pairs.
everyone be nice. my comment box has changed.
pigboy
sounds kinky
my comment box has changed.
Yeah, your comment box used to be about the music, man.
everyone be nice. my comment box has changed.
pigboy
sounds kinky
olexicon, rooster synonym | Homepage | 02.11.06 - 7:47 pm | #
The wanker cant ban me
But only can delete my posts which is starting to infuriate me.
If that isn't censorship what is?
Vote Green nOt Blue
Not CRAZY LITTLE HOWIE SCREAM
Worst chairman and candidate ever
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods. They act like total dicks.
I think we're being fucked with by aliens who think we're the most warlike, fucked up species they've ever seen.
But I was thinking that the economic infrastructure represented a certain kind of cultural and social support which at least helped to ameliorate that damage.
These kids are coming back to fewer opportunities and a shittier economy than the one which forced most of them to enlist to begin with.
Agreed, most definitely.
(bows)
I'm here all week
try the veal
But I think we did okay by our WWII vets: they returned to a nation just back on its feet and a slew of social programs designed to help them reintegrate into society.
Not to mention a time when the distribution of wealth had never been more even.
Consider the many benefits that flowed from that, and for the generation that followed. It's been downhill ever since. Small wonder that, now the distribution of wealth is more lobsided than the British Class System of the 19th century.
Now it's back to normal.
And I still don't see no gravatars.
Curse you meddling aliens!!!!!!!!!
owl
Curse you meddling aliens!!!!!!!!!
fourlegsgood
Don't blame me
i voted for kodos
I had gravatars but my Haloscan box maintained its structural integrity.
You must have reversed the polarity or recombinated the neutrinos or done some of that goddamn Geordi LaForge shit.
Now that you mention it, I do recall that back when people were always breaking Haloscan with screwy links somebody posted a fix that keeps the comment box a uniform size. I remember applying it, but I have no recollection of what it was.
jeebus krist FY you aint no victim.
Last year my son was able to talk his 'superiors' into providing his platoon more armor and proper weapons by pointing out the cost to the government of recruiting, training, and hospitalizing/death-benefiting a squad of force recon Marines. It came to a very large number and he got most of what he was after.
It's a fucked up world, when the Marine has to explain that to his "superiors." Good thing for you son and his platoon that he had the information and the courage to bring it up.
Is he on active duty now?
Then we can cab it uptown.
rorschach
I'll appear at midnight when the films close.
I think we're being fucked with by aliens who think we're the most warlike, fucked up species they've ever seen.
Time to reread book 2 of Gulliver's Travels!
the King of Brobdingnag himself refers to Gulliver as a ‘diminutive insect’ and, after having extracted from Gulliver an account of English history and politics, he pronounces his famous verdict on Gulliver’s countrymen: ‘I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of odious little vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth.’
Dirk, was that you?
Economically, most definitely yes. But psychologically, not so much. PTSD was barely understood, and soldiers returning had almost no support in that regard.
rorschach
I suspect that's probably so, ror. I mean, the WWII vets I knew would absolutely refuse to talk about their war experiences "It's over." or "Let it lie." were common responses.
But, they at least had the economic programs that NYMary pointed out, which is a helluva lot more than the current crop of vets is going to get.
If that isn't censorship what is?
Government suppression of free speech?
diminutive insect
Hetero puke bacteria!
I think we're being fucked with by aliens who think we're the most warlike, fucked up species they've ever seen.
fourlegsgood
goddamn Venutians!
But psychologically, not so much. PTSD was barely understood, and soldiers returning had almost no support in that regard.
I know I've heard it here, but I hear it in other places, most recently in the jury room when a discussion of Iraq came up. Three of the other jurors said that their fathers or grandfathers never, ever talked about the war.
I know we're more touch-feely now, and I wonder what demons ruled the lives of those men, but PTSD is still hard to overcome.
Still, if Hollywood got it partially right, Captain Neuman, M.D. at least documented that this issue was being addressed, but only for the most severely affected.
Gort, Klaatu!
Gort, Klaatu barada nikto
funny it worked before
Is he on active duty now?
masculine_monica_nyc
Yes, he's between deployments doing additional schools and training. He loves his work, and I grin and bear it. Well actually, I'm immensely proud, but worry like hell whenever he's overseas.
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Here.
An Address
ON
THE REPRESSION OF WAR EXPERIENCE.
Delivered before the Section of Psychiatry, Royal Society of Medicine,
on Dec. 4th, 1917
Shell shock? Yes, we were very familiar with it.
Thanks for the link, it made me cry.
Readings about the lengths the doctors go to just made me think, why didn't we go to those kinds of lengths before putting them in harms way? Whatever happened to the idea that if we're going to put folks into this kind of horror, we'll do absolutely everything we can as a country to make it successful. Planning, body armor, sufficient troops, you name it (not even mentioning having a worthwhile reason for the war)...as a country, we've utterly, utterly failed these soldiers.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown...unless the head is completely and totally empty, that is....
Time to convene, yet another blogger ethics panel.
Wesley Clark coming on c-span2/bookTV now.
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Lance Cpl. Matthew Schilling is worth a million George W. Bushes.
testing
-Off hand, has anyone heard anything
-about the drug use amongst the GIs
-in Iraq? As I vaguely recall, it was
-widespread in VietNam, right?
Marcia Brady
I've seen a few movies about it and read a few accounts. Luckily I missed Vietnam/draft by about 6 months. My guess is that drugs in the military were just as common as drugs in civilian life and at that time(and now) they were very prevelent. If you want 'em, you get 'em. About 8-10 percent of the population are "addictive" personalities(or so I've heard). Now what was I saying, Oh! Pass the bong.....
I'm immensely proud, but worry like hell whenever he's overseas.
Makes sense to me. I hope you and your whole family come through okay.
Thanks.
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If any of you wish to look into how this cult really treats Veterans, I suggest you pour a cuppa and get comfortable in front of VAWatchdog.org.....
I offer this suggestion as a 100% disabled USMC Vietnam Vet
God you people are idiots.
Watch out!! Shoelimpy is sneaking up behind you! LOL! He hasn't posted here since he was banned, morons.
But keep the legend alive, loosers! Hehehe!
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