I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Me?
Drive by - Frist!
happy bday dude - it's my bday too.
death to Negroponte Death Squads!
Oh but I'm sleepy.
I don't want to go to the darkroom tomorrow.
Mmm... Milla Jovovich...
Am I on the wrong 10:30 thread?
fourlegsgood: Just keep your eyes shut.....
Oh but I'm sleepy.
I don't want to go to the darkroom tomorrow.
fourlegsgood | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 10:38 pm | #
so don't. Mr. Plushy wouldn't want you to.
Whaaa
I go out
come back
and damn near 1st
.
Ahhh, crap.
We're going to get freezing rain.
People drive like idiots in this town when there's ice.
Fuck.
Double lines or double vision?
Cheesecake or strudel?
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We're going to get freezing rain.
People drive like idiots in this town when there's ice.
"I tried wearing a turtleneck, but it just made me look French!"
We're going to get freezing rain.
People drive like idiots in this town when there's ice.
Fuck.
fourlegsgood | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 10:41 pm | #
See? No reason to go out in freezing rain just to go to a dark room.
Damn.
Monday is not a holiday for us.
Feh.
Evening, all.
I have the flu and am borderline delirious, which would actually be rather enjoyable except I have a script due Monday and an outline for another script due two days after that.
Writers get no sick days.
Is this the less filling, tastes great thread?
threadbot's jumped the gun again- look out Harry!
See? No reason to go out in freezing rain just to go to a dark room.
I might as well get it over with.
Otherwise I have to do it monday.
Toons--welcome to the sick club. I know what you mean.
I've been more generous than usual in my grading.
Uh oh, girlfriend is a hooker.
This is the dumbest thing we've heard in a while, it's right out of Mel Brooks. Don't read it if you're particularly serious at the moment. From that a-joke site we mentioned.
There was this Spanish guy, this Korean guy and this Russian guy all working for the same construction company. At the beginning of the day the boss comes out and says to the Spanish guy, "You're in charge of the cement."
Then he said to the Russian guy, "You're in charge of the dirt."
Then he said to the Korean guy, "You're in charge of the supplies."
Then he said, "I'm gonna be back at the end of the day to check on your work. It better be good or you're fired."
So they all go off to go get their work done.
At the end of the day, the boss comes back to check on their work. He looks at the big pile of cement and goes, "Good work," to the Spanish guy. Then he looks at the big pile of dirt and says, "Good work," to the Russian guy. Then he couldn't find the Korean guy so he asks, "Where the heck is the Korean guy??"
All of a sudden, the Korean guy jumps out from behind the big pile of dirt and yells, " SUPPLIES!"
in the Zombie Wingnuttery thread below, who is the letter writer to the NYTRofB?
no payee 4 Select Pravda...help a fellaq out here, who's the writer?
FEEL the Love!
Uh oh, girlfriend is a hooker.
You'd think he would have checked her face before giving the dodgy guy the rest of his money...
Writers get no sick days.
Toonscribe
Tell me about it...I have to hand in a bunch of junk tomorrow, despite feeling like living death and being unable to think coherently.
You'd think he would have checked her face before giving the dodgy guy the rest of his money...
And what happened to the dog?
Otherwise I have to do it monday.
fourlegsgood
I'll be working this 3 day weekend, also.
Atleast it will be when I wanna be there and how long.
still sucks
.
Ooo, good strategy - stop every single random hooker on the street and say "Ula?"
Now listening to, of all things, the soundtrack from "Evita."
Koreans actually say annyonghaseyo as to sound like "annoying you say how?"
There was this Russian guy, this Spanish guy and this Korean guy all in the same ESL class. The teacher told them to make a sentence using the word 'hostess' for homework.
So the next day the Russian guy goes "Oh I have a good sentence. The hostess was very courteous." And the teacher said "Wow that was really good!"
The Spanish guy goes, "Oh I have a better sentence. My mother is a good hostess when others come over." Then the teacher said, "Wow that was really good!"
Finally the Korean guy goes, "I have the best sentence. When my mother answers the phone, she says hostess?"
(And does he actually have any reason to believe she's in Whoreland?)
Sallyh
My son came back from a weeklong school science camp thing on Catalina with some vicious crud, which kept him home most of the week. I came down with it Thursday evening. Why do I never get sick when I don't have work to do?
What could be more heartwarming than a Dutch speed skater...?
Reminds me of childhood reading - "Snip Snap and Snur and The Silver Skates." Anybody flashing on that one?
Ooops.
The doggie is back.
Are we ever going to find out what the dinosaur thingee was?
Somehow I don't think so.
Are we ever going to find out what the dinosaur thingee was?
Somehow I don't think so.
I think there's going to be some kind of big fire/explosion like in Terminator, and the dog's gonna come out of it as nothing but metal exoskeleton.
...I have to hand in a bunch of junk tomorrow, despite feeling like living death and being unable to think coherently.
Phila
Every time someone talks to me about the joys of freelance, I want to SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE!
All of a sudden, the Korean guy jumps out from behind the big pile of dirt and yells, " SUPPLIES!"
kei & yuri
One of my fav, but quilty, old jokes.
but I heard it as Chinese.
.
Hey, we got us some baby plushies:
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/
In flowerpots. hee hee
Hey, this next sci-fi movie is actually fairly good.
Hey, we got us some baby plushies:
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/
In flowerpots. hee hee
We got, uh, circles.
In New York City.
Every time someone talks to me about the joys of freelance, I want to SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE!
Toonscribe
Well, like any kind of self-employment, you find yourself working only half the time...twelve hours a day.
I'm on retainer, so the pay's reliable. On the other hand, I get hit with sudden demands at odd hours, which sucks.
It's been a game?
fourlegs- yes! Dog Soldiers is actually pretty kewl.
I'm on retainer, so the pay's reliable. On the other hand, I get hit with sudden demands at odd hours, which sucks.
Plus it makes chewing problematic.
ooo, this one's good
A Russian, a Saudi, a North Korean and a New Yorker are walking down the street.
A pollster stops them and asks, "Excuse me, what is your opinion of the meat shortage?"
The Saudi replies, "Excuse me, what's a 'shortage'?"
The Russian replies, "Excuse me, what's meat?"
The North Korean replies, "Excuse me, what's an opinion?"
Finally, the New Yorker replies, "What's 'Excuse me?'"
Ooooh! it ate his face.
Is Dog Soldiers the British Werewolf pic?
Hey, look! A big fire!
Is Dog Soldiers the British Werewolf pic?
Yes.
kei & yuri:
yep. 'tis.
If I rubbed a lamp and a genie appeared looking like Barbara Eden, giving me three wishes, I would use my, ahem, last two thusly:
1. After reading the contract, I see that the "unlimted wishes" clause had been plugged by the genie attorneys, I wish for health and true happiness for my extended family. Fuck the rest of you people.
2. I wish to sit in on the Philly deliberations on how to set up the new, fragile Nation.
Fuck the parting of the Red Sea. I would've wasted a goddamned wish on that bullshit.
Why do I never get sick when I don't have work to do?
I don't know if that's better or worse, honestly. For years, I reliably fell ill the second my grades were handed in. Usually screwed up Christmas or the summer pretty well.
A Russian, a Saudi, a North Korean and a New Yorker are walking down the street.
The funniest part of the gag.
JLU is proving that everything's better with monkies.
A rabbi is sitting on an airplane next to a Korean guy. After they have been flying together in silence for a while, the rabbi leans over and says, "You know, I've never forgiven you Chinese for what you did at Pearl Harbor."
The Korean looks shocked and replies, "What the hell are you talking about?!?!? It was the Japanese the bombed Pearl Harbor, not the Chinese. And besides, I'm not Chinese or Japanese, I'm Korean!"
The rabbi says, " Korean, Japanese, Chinese, what's the difference?"
A little while later, the Korean man says, "You know, I've never forgiven you Jews for sinking the Titanic." The rabbi looks confused and mad and says, "What are you talking about? The Jews didn't have anything to do with that! An iceberg sank the Titanic!"
The Korean guy replies, "Iceberg, Goldberg, Greenberg, what's the difference?"
Wow, that had to be the slowest face-scratch ever.
Why open two at once?
R2K
i heard about new owls a half hour ago, and just now i'm being let in.
what kinda club is this anyway?
The pre-"Rome" Kevin McKidd
(aka Lucius Vorenus ) is in Dog Soldiers.
Finally, the New Yorker replies, "What's 'Excuse me?'"
kei & yuri
I had a Bostonian correct me on my midwestern pronounciation.
.
Finally, the New Yorker replies, "What's 'Excuse me?'"
kei & yuri
I had a Bostonian correct me on my midwestern pronounciation.
.
Oh, here comes the dinosaur.
Eli was right.
It's the fucking dog.
Luthor knows that sometimes you've got to shoot the monkey (higher pitched: shoot the monkey).
That's gotta be a pretty hot dog...
The pre-"Rome" Kevin McKidd
(aka Lucius Vorenus ) is in Dog Soldiers.
I liked him best in Topst Turvy, but then I love that movie.
So he burned himself up?
That was stupid.
I knew that fucking r2k was going to post now. shitstain just posted on FDL. At least it called itself sarah on both sites instead of 'clem', 'robert', blah blah blah. fuck off.
who's the writer?
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
Editors' Note
Published: February 12, 2006
A review on Jan. 15 about "Women Who Make the World Worse: And How Their Radical Feminist Assault Is Ruining Our Families, Military, Schools, and Sports," by Kate O'Beirne, repeated a misattribution, contained in the book, of the quotation "All heterosexual intercourse is rape." The quotation, from "Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies," by Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge, is part of those authors' characterization of the views of the late Andrea Dworkin, the feminist writer, and Catharine MacKinnon, the law professor and legal theorist; it is not from MacKinnon's own writings.
The review, however, endorsed the quotation as representative of MacKinnon's expressed opinions, calling it "MacKinnon's ( decades-old ) contention." In fact, while this and similar statements equating heterosexual intercourse and rape have often been atttributed to MacKinnon, she has long and vigorously denied having made such assertions or that they represent her beliefs.
[Gratuitous paragraph inserted, making this a fair use for purposes of art. Art is a small town cat.]
MacKinnon's past efforts to correct the record on this matter include a letter, written with Dworkin, published in the Book Review on May 7, 1995. The issue has also been the subject of an article in The Chicago Tribune ( "Fighting a Lie That Just Won't Die," by Cindy Richards, May 30, 1999 ) and of an entry on Snopes.com, a Web site that specializes in investigating Internet rumors (www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinno.htm).
MacKinnon traces the origin of her identification with such statements to attempts by ideological opponents to discredit her.
I guess that makes the writer: Ed Itors.
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Oh wait, the scorpion is going to revive him!!
Moral: The scorpion always wins.
In the Toon biz, the Suits dork around, wasting weeks and months, and then still manage to get a green light on the show with it only half developed and put together a production schedule that requires everything to work like clockwork at every single step of the production.
I was story editing a show for Universal when the Northridge Earthquake hit. The producer called me up and said to forget about the script that was due the next day, the offices at Universal were wrecked and the important thing was if everyone was all right. Called me 36 hours later and wanted to know where the script was and would I have the next one finaled the next day.
sallyh,
Any comment on this,? Isn't this roughly your field?
I liked him best in Topsy Turvy, but then I love that movie.
he was? hmmm, guess he wasn't on my radar then... 
Marion "Pat" Robertson claims he will now start reading the news before he comments on it. I am not making this up.
Toonscribe,
That explains the genesis of "My Dad the Rock Star," anyway.
Every time someone talks to me about the joys of freelance, I want to SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE!
Toonscribe | 02.18.06 - 10:52 pm | #
******
I second that emotion.
Why should he need to? He knows there's a tumor in Tuskegee but not that it's illegal to threaten people's lives?
Ahhh, a classic Venture Bros just started -- the Mexican adventure one
NYMary:
Got your package today!
Thanks so much!
I liked him best in Topsy Turvy, but then I love that movie.
he was? hmmm, guess he wasn't on my radar then...
aeon_flux
Trainspotting was his big break.
(You know what's really sad? I'm not even imdb'ing this. I just know it.)
"Women Who Make the World Worse: And...
I'm sorry, but I still have trouble believing that title isn't a joke. Maybe her publisher's fucking with her?
steve,
Yay! You may not want that much Neko-love, but then you might at that.
Trainspotting was his big break.
(You know what's really sad? I'm not even imdb'ing this. I just know it.)
Hell, I knew that too...
But hey, I remembered Sandra Bullock in Love Potion No. 9.
NYMary -- EXcellent work!
NYMary
My daughter likes "My Dad the Rock Star." There is no accounting for a seven year old's taste.
But hey, I remembered Sandra Bullock in Love Potion No. 9.
Yeah, but you're a force of nature. It's like asking steve about some obscure band from the early 70's. Tee 'em up, watch him knock 'em back.
Every time someone talks to me about the joys of freelance, I want to SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE!
Toonscribe
a job i might be able to handle?
"dirty deeds, done ditt cheap"
The Korean guy replies, "Iceberg, Goldberg, Greenberg, what's the difference?"
kei & yuri
no diff., all the monkeys have gone insane.
steve,
Yay! You may not want that much Neko-love, but then you might at that.
NYMary | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:08 pm | #
Oh trust me...
I haven't had a such thing for a
girl singer
(pardon the
archaic phrase) since Chrissie Hynde
twenty five years ago.
She slays me.....
Marion "Pat" Robertson claims he will now start reading the news before he comments on it. I am not making this up.
Heywood J.
That's a bit like holding a press conference to announce you intend to unzip before urinating in the future...
Yeah, but you're a force of nature. It's like asking steve about some obscure band from the early 70's. Tee 'em up, watch him knock 'em back.
Pshaw. My obscure movie knowledge doesn't compare with steve's obscure music knowledge, but I try...
Toonscribe,
The six year old loves it too. We're trying to ease him into Looney Tunes.
gebne Simmons is a genuine marketing genius, whatever else you have to say about the guy.
I heard Ringo had a cartoon in development, too, in which he has superpowers.
Compson: Jawbreaker will be on book TV for Preznit's day.
So cruelly the pen-knife of authorship does turn.
It will be the day's highlight.
if only torture were an olympic srort.
Photo of Harry Whittington, post shooting
"My family and I are deeply sorry for everything Vice President Cheney and his family have had to deal with," Harry Whittington said, his voice a bit raspy but strong in his first comments since being shot on a South Texas ranch six days earlier."
.
Anyone remember that dipshit 'Jay' whose homepage was stoptheaclu a few days back. Here's one of his gems from fstdt.com here.
"[A student sued the Palm Beach County School Board because he was berated in class when he refused to stand for the pledge.]
Scolded in front of his classmates??? Heaven forbid! If I had been one of his classmates, I would have made him see some stars he would respect. If I were his parents, he wouldnt want to sit down after I showed him after the kind of red stripes I showed him. Dissent is one thing, disrespect for the very freedom that gives you that right is another. Just because you have the right to do something doesnt mean it is the right thing to do."
Jay, StopTheACLU [Comments (15)]
Simels, why was Batman flying? This bothers us more than the Vietnamese joke section, which is what you would expect of the fled upper class.
steve,
There's another Neko country one, but I ran out of CD's. Also one coming out next week, I think.
And I found a streaming New Pornographers concert from 01 online, but I'm not sure your connection is fast enough.
DOG SOLDIERS is actually pretty
scary.
Falls apart toward the end, but
it's a genuinely efficient
frisson delivery system otherwise.
Can't believe this on a Sat nite, but all I wanna do now is go lay on the couch and sleep.
When Melissa comes home at 12, soon after, bed.
Nite all
.
Simels, why was Batman flying? This bothers us more than the Vietnamese joke
section, which is what you would expect of the fled upper class.
kei & yuri | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:13 pm | #
Huh?
That's a bit like holding a press conference to announce you intend to unzip before urinating in the future...
Doozer | 02.18.06 - 11:11 pm |
Especially since that makes a marked improvement over the alternative.
And I found a streaming New Pornographers concert from 01 online, but I'm not
sure your connection is fast enough.
NYMary | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:13 pm | #
I guarantee it's too slow.
But thanks for thinking!!!!!
after flip the frog animation just went downhill. termite terrace saved the day for a while, and the russians gave it a good shot, but besides miyazaki I just don't see the point.
(/Cynicus)
I heard Ringo had a cartoon in development, too, in which he has superpowers.
Such as the ability to sing.
For example, the Vietnamese joke (at the site we've been complaining about and quoting) about Ho Chi Minh is literally a Rovian concern letter -- with paragraphs instead of punchlines -- pontificating in the manner of a bad editorial.
But this doesn't explain why a closeted human being should be able to fly.
Finally, here's a good Vietnamese one:
On a flight from Saigon to Los Angeles, an American sat beside a Vietnamese. American asked Vietnamese, "What kind of "ese" are you?
"Excuse me?"
"What kind of "ese" are you?"
"Excuse me, I don't understand what you meant."
"Stupid! Are you Vietnamese, Chinese or Japanese?"
"Oh! I am a Vietnamese."
After 2 hours. Vietnamese asked American: "What kind of "kee" are you?
"What? What do you mean by key?"
"Are you monkey, donkey or Yankee."
Oh, poor Ringo. He took his share of shit with relative good humor and grace.
I heard Ringo had a cartoon in development, too, in which he has superpowers.
Such as the ability to sing.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | 02.18.06 - 11:16 pm | #
Now, now.
Give him some slack for charm.
After all, Ringo is the most
beloved Supporting Character of
the second half of the 20th century.
Trainspotting was his big break.
It scares me, but I've got a little bit of Begbie inside of me, temperwise. Fortunately for the larger world, I'm too passive to act on it, and lack the upper body strength to be effective if I did.
My radio station is taking malicioius delight in playing Willie Nelson's new gay cowboy song.
I heard Ringo had a cartoon in development, too, in which he has superpowers.
That sounds dreadful.
Anybody remember the old Beatles animated series?
After all, Ringo is the most
beloved Supporting Character of
the second half of the 20th century.
Feel free to heap abuse on his head for Caveman, however.
And I found a streaming New Pornographers concert from 01 online, but I'm not
sure your connection is fast enough.
NYMary | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:13 pm | #
A friend of mine saw them back
Ray Davies at South By Southwest
a few years ago.
Now THAT must have been something....
Evening all!
I back home after traveling to a Nine Inch Nails show--another astonishing act of willful public exposure for this hermit.
The show was good, but was also a tell-tale sign of my age. On the bus ride down came a bathroom break, where in the mirror I noticed my first gray hairs.
At the show, I was surrounded by people who were infants and toddlers when Pretty Hate Machine was released in 1989.
As I said, I enjoyed the show, but found myself yawning--it was past my bedtime!
My friend (who is in his mid-thirties) and I decided it was prudent to leave before the show was over to avoid traffic--just what my parents would've done. Hey, we can't get trapped here--got things to do: SLEEP!
I suppose now that I've attained the "old" stage of life, I shall now endeavor, as much as I am able, to be "in the way."
Old, cranky, and won't shut up about what's wrong in this country--feels good to be home.
StopTheACLU
Stop them from doing what, exactly? It seems the more egregious the government becomes in fiddling with people, the more strident these dipshits become in backing them.
Anybody remember the old Beatles animated series?
Toonscribe | 02.18.06 - 11:18 pm |
In Long Hard Sally they fought eachother wearing antique armor. The Little Richard song Long Hard Sally was rather brutally forced into the story as the name of a lance.
"StopTheACLU
Stop them from doing what, exactly?"
Defending Rush Limbaugh?
A friend of mine saw Ringo at a recording studio in Nashville (must've been almost thirty years ago). Ringo flashed him a peace sign as he was going up in the elevator.
Uncle Smokes,
Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!
Err, pretty sure that's Long Tall Sally, though I was not yet born when that show was on the air.
Hey, Ringo was my favorite I had his "bobble" or whatever it was called...
back in the day
i like seeing old rock stars on the talk shows. they are so fuck'n fried.
even the ones with real talent, joe walsh.
our president lived that life style, tho i am suspect of his talent.
Anybody remember the old Beatles animated series?
Toonscribe
Yes, as a young'un. On a black and white TV.
And I loved it, gol' dang it.
Uncle Smokes,
Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!
NYMary
...but behind the grumpy old man on the porch is "Down In It" blaring from his stereo.
Feel free to heap abuse on his head for Caveman, however.
Zug-zug?
let me take you down
cuz I'm going to
that animated series?
Old, cranky, and won't shut up about what's wrong in this country--feels good to
be home.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:19 pm | #
Don't get the attraction of NIN.
I don't know who's more pretentious --
him or Marilyn Manson.
Or who makes more butt-ugly music.
But I did love that Beavis and
Butt-head take on one of their
early videos.
Where Reznor sort of drunkenly
throws himself around the stage
and knocks shit over?
And Beavis says "I think he should
have prepared more for this video."
Ah, Jack Abramoff's defense team leaps into action!
See, this is typical of the Vietnamese section:
One day at the end of class little Billy's teacher has the class go home and think of a story and then conclude the moral of that story. The following day the teacher asks for the first volunteer to tell a story. Suzy said, "Sunday we load the chicken eggs on the truck and drive into town to sell them at the market. Well, one Sunday we hit a big bump and all the eggs flew out of the basket and onto the road." The teacher asks for the moral of the story. Suzy replies, "Don't keep all your eggs in one basket."
Next is little Lucy. "Well, my dad owns a farm too and every weekend we take the chicken eggs and put them in the incubator. Last weekend only 8 of the 12 eggs hatched." The teacher asks for the moral of the story. Lucy replies "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched."
Last is little Billy. "My uncle Ted fought in the Vietnam war; his plane was shot down over enemy territory. He jumped out before it crashed with only a case of beer, a machine gun and a machete. On the way down he drank the case of beer. Unfortunately, he landed right in the middle of 100 Vietnamese soldiers. He shot 70 with his machine gun but ran out of bullets, so he pulled out his machete and killed 20 more. The blade on his machete broke, so he killed the last ten with his bare hands". The teacher looks in shock at Billy and asks if there is possibly any moral to his story. Billy replies, "Don't fuck with uncle Ted when he's been drinking."
I like Ringo. He always had a sense of humor about himself and never tried to compose classical music (though I am not qualified to judge the merits of the Liverpool Oratorio), to make me feel guilty about eating meat, and had nothing to do with that godawful song McCartney released last year.
But George was always my favorite Beetle, 'cause no one ever picks George.
Feel free to heap abuse on his head for Caveman, however.
NYMary | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:19 pm | #
Really?
Haven't seen it in years, but
I seem to recall it was pretty
funny.
Or maybe I was just drooling over
Barbara Bach.
Did Reznor write "Hurt"? if he did, that's some justification for his existence, cause when Johnny Cash sings it sends chills down my spine. A roar of existentialist anxiety from an old sinner staring into the abyss.
I knew that fucking r2k was going to post now. shitstain just posted on FDL. At least it called itself sarah on both sites instead of 'clem', 'robert', blah blah blah. fuck off.
sconi
And that lame-ass Constant...
Is "Blogtroll" a word?
Yeah Ringo always seems like a nice guy in interviews etc.
But George was always my favorite Beetle, 'cause no one ever picks George.
DemByDefault
hunter knew george was the best beatle.
far as i'm concerned, it's all about the guy who can actually play the guitar.
Ringo had one of my favorite lines ever at the end of Help!, throughout which he is the human sacrifice target of a cult.
"I don't subscribe to your religion!"
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Haven't seen it in years, but
I seem to recall it was pretty
funny.
Or maybe I was just drooling over
Barbara Bach.
I'm going with option B.
I expect if you wanted to do a lot of drugs, it would make a great double feature with Quest for Fire, however.
I remember mail order catalogs that featured an item that was nothing more than a multi-colored piece of cellophane that you would put on the B/W TV, so that you could enjoy a Neapolitan Ed Sullivan for cheap.
The best beatle was billy preston.
our president lived that life style, tho i am suspect of his talent.
When he ran for Gov. of Texas he was apparently capable of forming complete sentences all by himself...
IMHO --
It's a crime against nature that
there are only two surviving
ex-Beatles.
For all the joy they gave the
world, they all should have lived
well into their 90s or beyond.
Who deserved to more?
a Neapolitan Ed Sullivan
Max, I'm that old, too.
I have a sears mail order catalog from 1889 that i bought at the cracker barrell.
Surinder's uncle was booked into an SIA flight to Bombay. But as this was his first time in an airplane, he made a few preparations that were out of place. When the stewardess came around to take orders for the in-flight meal, the uncle declared loudly, "I have brought my own lunch. Make sure you don't charge me for food and drinks!"
So, as everybody was given their in-flight meal, the uncle began spreading out his own home-cooked meal. The man sitting next to him was an American history researcher, who was curious about the food. "Excuse me, what is that drink?" he asked.
The uncle picked up the yogurt-based lassi drink and said, "Milk of India!"
The the uncle took out several pieces of chapattis and started feasting. "And what is that dish?" asked the curious American.
"Wheat of India!" replied the uncle proudly.
Finally, the uncle took out some desserts. He offered some to the American.
"What is it?" asked the American.
"Sweet of India!" replied the old man.
After the meal, everyone was settling down when there was a loud "Pooooooooot!" from the uncle.
"What was that?" asked the American in disgust.
The old man replied coolly, "That's Air India!"
no Ringo= no John, Paul or George (at least as we have come to know them). So yeah, far as I'm concerned he can do whatever he wants- same as McCartney... if I don't like it? So what.
Who deserved to more?
steve simels
It ain;t about that, though, is it?
Look at Strom Thurmond, eh?
Is this the less filling, tastes great thread?
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
Is my sex life up for discussion? Who knew?
I got depressed listening to pink floyd's the wall.
The maharajah of an Indian Province issued a royal decree. He ordered that no one was to kill any wild animals while he was the country's leader. The decree was honored until there were so many Bengal Tigers running loose that the people revolted and threw the maharajah from power. This is the first known instance of the reign being called on account of the game.
For all the joy they gave the
world, they all should have lived
well into their 90s or beyond.
Did you ever see that drawing from the Sgt. Pepper era, rendering them all as 64? Charming, and poignant.
George's death was more disturbing as a marker of passing time, though of course less tragic.
I remember mail order catalogs that featured an item that was nothing more than a multi-colored piece of cellophane...
Max Planck | 02.18.06 - 11:28 pm | #
***
YEP
Of course, Paul's new wife and I are the same age.
(Gaaaaacccckkkk!!!!)
As a junior high schooler, I watched the Beatles first appearance on Ed Sullivan. Changed my life.
A Sardarji finds himself in dire trouble. His business has gone bust and he's in serious financial trouble. He's so desperate that he decides to ask Bhagwan for help. He goes into the temple and begins to pray.
"Oh Bhagwan, please help me, I've lost my business and if I don't get some money, I'm going to lose my house as well, please let me win the lotto". Lotto night comes and somebody else wins it.
The Sardarji goes back to the synagogue. "Bhagwan, please let me win the lotto, I've lost my business, my house and I'm going to lose my car as well". Lotto night comes and the Sardarji still has no luck!!
Back to the temple... "My Bhagwan, why have you forsaken me?? I've lost my business, my house, my car and my wife and children are starving. I don't often ask you for help and I have always been a good servant to you. Why won't you just let me win the lotto this one time so I can get my life back in order???".
Suddenly there is a blinding flash of light as the sky parts open and the Sardarhi is confronted by the voice of the God: "SARDARJI, MEET ME HALF WAY ON THIS ONE, BUY A DAMN TICKET".
Did you ever see that drawing from the Sgt. Pepper era, rendering them all as 64? Charming, and poignant.
reminds me of Belushi dancing in the SNL cemetery
I got depressed listening to pink floyd's the wall.
Uma Guma
I'm 37...I think.
The best beatle was billy preston.
jack
saw him on direct tv. with prince. one rock'n concert.
when i dreamed of being a great rock artist i decided my name would be billy mann.
who knows andre crouch? i think they are cousins or sumth'n. no fan of andre crouch, but billy preston...
a whole bunch of churches today said bush is fucked up.
Don't get the attraction of NIN.
...
steve simels
Reznor has reached a stage where he'll can just put out more of the same kind of material he produced with Downward Spiral, and folks will buy it. For me, he's fixed in a time and place when I was emerging into a new stage of life, where I began sowing a long-held store of wild oats.
NIN was in the soundtrack to that part of my life, along with Pop Will Eat Itself, Meat Beat Manifesto, My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult, and the various participants on the Wax Trax label.
Lots of angst and ennui, and dark beats to prop those feelings up.
Did you ever see that drawing from the Sgt. Pepper era, rendering them all as
64? Charming, and poignant.
George's death was more disturbing as a marker of passing time, though of
course less tragic.
NYMary | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:31 pm | #
I remember that illo.
They looked kind of like old
British actors -- like guys
who would
have played the the Generals in movies
like GUNGA DIN in the 30s.
It was adorable.
I wonder who did it?
The Wall was very prophetic.
though of course less tragic.
NYMary
Depends, don't it?
-
Is "Blogtroll" a word?
Doozer
More of a lifestyle, really.
IMHO, Paul McCartney is a self-serving ass.
the way Lennon treated his older son always bothered me, undermined a lot of his public persona
roger waters has broad shoulders and big hands.
Janes Addiction was my soundtrack to life.
Have you seen the rare video of them hanging out in NYC? Bad Craziness indeed.
The best beatle was billy preston.
jack
You're not funny.
You're not smart.
Please fuck off and never come back.
Paul McCartney most definitely is a self-serving ass. Sting on the other hand has a real and rare talent.
You're not funny.
You're not smart.
Please fuck off and never come back.
I'm pretty sure he's trying to bore us all to death.
Haven't seen it in years, but
I seem to recall it was pretty
funny.
Dumb, stupid and funny - the pre-"Airplane!" "Airplane!".
Co-written by Committee member Carl Gottlieb. When David Crosby went on a book tour for his autobiography, "co"-written by Gottlieb, a friend and I stood in the autograph line at Cody's Books in Berkeley. While my friend gushed over Crosby, I said to Gottlieb "'Caveman' is one of the greatest comedies ever!" He looked stunned. "I didn't think anyone remembered that!" he said.
"The show was good, but was also a tell-tale sign of my age. On the bus ride down came a bathroom break, where in the mirror I noticed my first gray hairs."
I was brushing my hair about a year ago, trying to minimize the recession and I thought:
Omigod you pathetic putz you're freakin' combing over!!
Now I try to embrace middle age.
this room is a commons.
Uncle Smokes:
Love you to death, kiddo, but
I gotta tell you -- I think it's
kinda sad that Trent Reznor and
Pop Will Shtup Itself are
your nostalgia.
Hell -- I'd rather listen to
Jack Wagner and Styx.
And if you know me, you can imagine
how horrifying a prospect that is.
this room is a commons.
That must make you the tragedy.
Depends, don't it?
Well, both John and George's deaths were bitterly ironic, John because he had been hermited away for so long and was finally reentering public life, and was obviously pretty good at talking down overidentifying nutjobs (there's a scene, in Imagine, I think, where he does that); and George because he obviously took good care of himself, and was such a decent human being generally.
Middle age has its advantages. You begin telling people the truth because you could care less what they think of you
I expect if you wanted to do a lot of drugs, it would make a great double feature with Quest for Fire, however.
NYMary
He! Lay off Quest For Fire! Rae Dawn Chong, nekkid!
Saw her later in American Flyers, the Costner bicycle racing pic. Too hot for words!
I love George's dreamy watery lead guitar bits.
this room is a commons.
jack
And your being here is what? The tragedy of the commons?
Paul McCartney most definitely is a self-serving ass. Sting on the other hand has a real and rare talent.
politica
Aside from his assertive business persona, McCartney wailed on that Hofner of his. He was one of the first truly melodic rock bass players.
the way Lennon treated his older son always bothered me, undermined a lot of his public persona
It would have been curious to see what miht have happened if John had lived to see Julian's public career.
Dammit, Eli! You type faster than I do!
the way Lennon treated his older son always bothered me, undermined a lot of his public persona...
To be honest, I get a little miffed at people like Julian bitching about Dad not being around when he was a kid. If John had decided it had been more important to stay at home with Julian than to be John Beatle, Julian wouldn't have all that money he's pissing away now, would he?
i do hate one beatle, tho i admire his talent.
paul mccartney is a self promoting sanctimonious pig.
i'll give him credit tho, i did hear him in an interview say "we were all just trying to do what dylan was doing"
damn fuck'n right.
Yes, he had talent once Max, too bad he sold it out and decided to showboat his wife for so many years.
Oh, I dunno. I could live in a world without Sting.
tragedy
an exploded frog.
The best beatle was billy preston.
jack
saw him on direct tv.
Saw him open for George at the Cow Palace. Quite memorable, and Ali Akbar Khan, too. Followed by the Cafe Sport.
Mmmmm.
-
Yeah Julian is a real prodigy all right. LOL.
Today is the first day of the rest of your life
DemByDefault: yeah, Reznor wrote "Hurt". I read somewhere he was initially very weirded out that Cash recorded the song, but when he saw the video he realized it was almost more Cash's song than his.
NIN was/is kinda overwrought, but there's things that seem very apropos of what goes on today
Faith No More had its moments too
(oh yeah McCartney's a self serving ass, but again- so what? the songs more than make up for it)
IMHO, Paul McCartney is a self-serving ass.
Sarah Deere | 02.18.06 - 11:35 pm | #
Get back to us when you've a written
a song as good as....
Oh......"Mother Nature's Son."
If John had decided it had been more important to stay at home with Julian than to be John Beatle, Julian wouldn't have all that money he's pissing away now, would he?
dave©
I dunno. I think Jules would have chosen less bucks and more dad.
"Oh, I dunno. I could live in a world without Sting."
Heehee. I do. But for the sake of nostalgia there are a lot of Police songs that I still turn up. Not Roxanne. I prefer Eddie Murphy's
tragedy
an exploded frog.
jack
If you read Bush On The Couch, you find that Commander Codpiece used to do exactly that. Explode frogs. For fun. The boy is sick, but those who support him are sicker.
" McCartney wailed on that Hofner of his. He was one of the first truly melodic rock bass players.
Max Planck"
damn straight...often overlooked ...everyne focuses on the songwriting abilities, but a brilliant bassist....
Hey, I loe Quest for Fire! I just think that with the right chemicals, it would make an excellent double feature with Caveman.
One of my favorite underrated comedies is So Fine, the designer jeans movie. It was written by one of the guys who cowrote Blazing Saddles, and it has Ryan O'Neal and Richard Kiel.
I love George's dreamy watery lead guitar bits.
I went a Grateful Dead show where they did Baba O'Reilly and Tomorrow Never Knows as the encore.
Now I try to embrace middle age.
DemByDefault
I'm relieved to finally get the gray hair--want it while I still have a decent amount of hair.
Why?
I've long wanted to look wild and unkempt like Walt Whitman.
However, the dream can only be partially fulfilled, as I can't grow a decent beard, certainly not a beard you can lose a badger in.*
[*Nod to the Black Adder fans out there.]
DemByDefault: yeah, Reznor wrote "Hurt". I read somewhere he was initially
very weirded out that Cash recorded the song, but when he saw the video he
realized it was almost more Cash's song than his.
Actually, I must admit I love
Cash doing that song.
Rick Rubin's a very smart guy.
Speaking of which -- has anybody
heard the acoustic album he did
last year with Neil Diamond?
Is it any good?
Sting on the other hand has a real and rare talent.
Jesus, I hope that's a joke.
All you need to know about Sting is he had to steal from Leo Sayer's "More Than I Can Say" to crank out "Every Breath You Take."
I could live in a world without Sting too. But while watching a recent Speical on him...I think it was on Bravo...I was very impressed with the way he writes, records and interacts with musicians.
The musicians I can't live without:
Derek Trucks
Medeski Martin and Wood
Raisin Hill
Particle
Joshua Redman
Victor Wooten
String Cheese Incident
One of my favorite underrated comedies is So Fine, the designer jeans movie. It was written by one of the guys who cowrote Blazing Saddles, and it has Ryan O'Neal and Richard Kiel.
Tapeheads. And if you haven't seen that, you seriously need to. Tim Robbins and John Cusack, and mad cameos.
We love the Swanky Modes.
Blazing Saddles would have been so much better if there had been an actual ending rather than the writer's tacit admission that his creativity had painted him into a corner.
It could have been a contendah!
Well, Julian had one respectable record, respectable enough for people to imply that he hadn't written it and Yoko just let him dig around in some closets. Lots of people never even manage that.
ho chi minh was always my favorite Beatle.
he rocked.
in a big way
Actually, I must admit I love
Cash doing that song.
"must admit": you don't like Cash?
Paul mccartney is more talented than michael jackson.
"Sting on the other hand has a real and rare talent."
i am the face, she has to know me
i'm dressed up better then anyone, within a mile....
"Mother Nature's Son."
Don't know if I'd picked that one...
Oh, I love Tapeheads!
I've long wanted to look wild and unkempt like Walt Whitman.
I've been salt-and-pepper since my early 20s (increasingly more & more salty, needless to say), but I can only pull off the wild & unkempt thing from the eyebrows up.
Nowhere special? I've always wanted to go there..."
mccartney was a genius. he said he woke up one morning and the song yesterday wrote itself.
Favorite guitarists:
Mahavishnu John McLaughlin
John Scofield
Leo Kottke
Oh, I love Tapeheads!
Oh, thank God. It would be criminal for you not to have seen that.
"Baby Doll" and "Any Ordinary Man" are on my iPod, and among my favorites.
Jack, he made Thriller.
Thriller.
Doesn't that mean anything?
Blazing Saddles would have been so much better if there had been an actual ending rather than the writer's tacit admission that his creativity had painted him into a corner.
Yeah, but Brooks loved that metafictive thing. "Screw you! I'm working for Mel Brooks!"
NYMary:
You love SO FINE?
I thought I was the only person
world who even knew it.
Screamingly funny parody of
late 70s culture and academia.
Written by the great Andrew
Bergman.
Who wrote the two best Raymond
Chandler pastiches ever.
Among other splendid
things, including the
original IN-LAWS.
a song like yesterday is not the type of song you'd write in the morning.
steve: how can i get that stones bootleg? pulled yaya's out today in your honor...
Blazing Saddles would have been so much better if there had been an actual ending rather than the writer's tacit admission that his creativity had painted him into a corner.
I love that ending!
As a junior high schooler, I watched the Beatles first appearance on Ed Sullivan. Changed my life.
Toonscribe
That B&W clip is still probably my favorite Music video.
Eli's ipod must undoubtedly be an adventure....
steve: how can i get that stones bootleg? pulled yaya's out today in your
honor...
jdw | 02.18.06 - 11:47 pm | #
Which one?
mccartney has a major drug problem.
Paul mccartney is more talented than michael jackson.
Oh great. Ebony and ivory going through my head, with moments of MJ wheedling "The doggone girl is mine" for variety.
Now I gotta start drinkin again...
Eli's ipod must undoubtedly be an adventure....
Ask tigre.
You've seen the abridged version, tho.
Yeah, but Brooks loved that metafictive thing. "Screw you! I'm working for Mel Brooks!"
NYMary
But I'm such a traditionalist in my stories. I like the beginning, middle, and end thing. Beginning, middle, and DIFFERENT MOVIE! doesn't seem to work well for me.
Perhaps it's merely the dypepsia of age.
I went a Grateful Dead show where they did Baba O'Reilly and Tomorrow Never Knows as the encore.
Vegas? 92 or so?
Bro!
jack don't know jack.
tr00l.
steve,
So Fine is set partly in my hometown (an achingly parochial place a few hours from NYC), at my alma mater (SUNY-Binghamton), which I share with Bergman.
mccartney has a major drug problem.
What did Mr. Simels tell you to do?
Actually Archive.org has a very good bootleg section. Artists that allow live recordings of performances sign up and people upload there shows.
Check it out.
Julian had one respectable record...
Actually saw him on that tour. He wasn't half bad.
Did "Day Tripper" for the encore.
" I watched the Beatles first appearance on Ed Sullivan. Changed my life.
Toonscribe"
my life changed by finding "lumpy gravy" in the parma, oh library, c. 1970.
Vegas? 92 or so?
It probably was 92, but not Vegas... Buckeye Lake, OH IIRC.
"Mother Nature's Son."
Don't know if I'd picked that one...
dave© | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:46 pm
My point was that it was third-tier.
And still great...
Blazing Saddles would have been so much better if there had been an actual ending rather than the writer's tacit admission that his creativity had painted him into a corner.
I love that ending!
dave©
That's not an ending! That's a drowning man grasping for straws! He should have gotten someone else to finish it for him.
I went a Grateful Dead show where they did Baba O'Reilly and Tomorrow Never Knows as the encore.
Anyone remember a group called "801"?
Eno, Phil Manzanera, and some other art rock English types... had one "live" album with an awesome version of "TNK"... also a killer Eno-fied "You Really Got Me."
All you need to know about Sting is he had to steal from Leo Sayer's "More Than I Can Say" to crank out "Every Breath You Take."
I've noted this before, but there's an episode of the Osbornes where Ozzie is sitting around drunk talking to the camera and he says, "I could be worse. I could be...." long pause, thinking of the worst person in the world, "Sting."
I was at the Alpin Valley show with Dylan and the Dead. I think it was the same year that Stevie Ray Vaughan died there.
i saw a Who concert where pete townsend was spitting on the audience.
Oh great. Ebony and ivory going through my head, with moments of MJ wheedling "The doggone girl is mine" for variety.
Remember, the dude had a 15 year old exquisite C.V. before he started on that shitass 70's path, though.
My point was that it was third-tier.
And still great...
Ah!
Don't you hate explaining the jokes?
Leo Sayer makes me feel like dancin'.
NYMary--are you still here?
I'm looking at the women's health studies you've directed me towards.
Unlike in Republican world, the conclusions drawn are nuanced.
ah, well, close though, it was a nice little set, wasn't it? Jerry hitting those big power chords on 'baba'... and Phil doing Entwhistle's runs, but, you know, with Phil's subsonics.
Gods, I miss them still.
Another favorite band of mine is Ozric Tentacles.
http://www.google.com/musica?aid...aJnaF&
oi=musicr
"I could be worse. I could be...." long pause, thinking of the worst person in the world, "Sting."
Ozzie is teh funny.
"Ozzie is sitting around drunk talking to the camera and he says, "I could be worse. I could be...." long pause, thinking of the worst person in the world, "Sting.""
That's a riot. I miss that show. There's something endearing about that fucked up family. There are so many people I'd like to pelt with hams, too.
"Which one?
steve simels"
you were talking about it yesterday...love in vain? with mick taylor on guitar?
Leo Sayer makes me feel like puttin' on skintight denim and leg warmers.
steve,
So Fine is set partly in my hometown (an achingly parochial place a few hours
from NYC), at my alma mater (SUNY-Binghamton), which I share with Bergman.
NYMary | Homepage | 02.18.06 - 11:49 pm | #
I'll be damned.
I wonder if it's on DVD yet...
I had it on a crappy copy from
HBO on tape at some point, but
I lost it.
My favorite line: The Italian
babe from the Wertmuller movies,
when she goes up to Ryan O'Neal
and says "I fuck around."
And who's the Brit poet a parody
of?
sallyh,
I'm here. It looks like the results weren't nearly as decisive as they thought they'd find, which is curious.
I'm not familiar with NIN but I thought Reznor did a really good job on the soundtrack for Lost Highway. Good movie too.
Sting = poseur poetaster atriste
"Remember, the dude had a 15 year old exquisite C.V. before he started on that shitass 70's path, though."
I find Ram interesting.
you were talking about it yesterday...love in vain? with mick taylor on guitar?
The '72 tour.
What else ya got???
Soup. We need chicken soup. Can't sleep with this crud, may as well nutricionize.
I was at the Alpin Valley show with Dylan and the Dead. I think it was the same year that Stevie Ray Vaughan died there.
I saw the Dead at Alpine Valley a bunch of times (but not that one) good times. "The fat man rocks the valley"
Jerry hitting those big power chords on 'baba'... and Phil doing Entwhistle's runs, but, you know, with Phil's subsonics.
Gods, I miss them still.
Yeah.
And who's the Brit poet a parody
of?
No idea. He's more of a "type" than anything.
Looks like just VHS.
I find Ram interesting.
jdw
Ram was clean as all get out. He brought in some very accomplished studio musicians for that 1971 album. I was referring to the latter 70's. You're right, a 70's distiction needs to be made.
NIN was a mess with maybe a dozen good songs but Reznor also did Prick, which was great.
"Which one?
steve simels"
you were talking about it yesterday...love in vain? with mick taylor on guitar?
jdw | 02.18.06 - 11:53 pm | #
Oh, of course.
It's from Madison Square Garden
on the 72 tour.
A soundboard mix, quite good, and
the performances are killer.
I believe it was from the double
live album they had mixed and ready
to go end of that year, but it got
nixed for contractual reasons.
Anyway, it's great.
I'd be happy to burn you a copy.
Once our e-mail addresses return.....
NYMary--they're not. The correlations between a lower fat diet and reduced risk of breast cancer exist, but it's not as strong a correlation as once believed.
As for the taking of calcium with no reduction in hip fractures, you're looking at a subset analysis. There are a number of other variables not discussed in the article which could have led to the conclusion that there is a negative effect of taking Vitamin D and calcium with the incidence of hip fractures.
Subgroup analysis is very tricky; it can lead to better questions for future studies, but as a standard, you don't really want to go there until the studies have been replicated sufficiently.
the first rock and roll show I ever saw - the Beatles in Baltimore in Sept 64.
the second time my life changed in less than a year.
wasn't the last either.
damn, I really miss the rock and roll.
sometimes living in New Mexico really does suck, you know. Few venues for live music, of any size, from clubs to arenas, now there's just old pop or country musicans playing at the casinos.
I have to go to bed, but I will stand up for the obscure McCartney album Back to the Egg, which I really liked at the time.
my life changed by finding "lumpy gravy" in the parma, oh library, c. 1970.
jdw
Mine changed when I found Zappa's "Mothers, Filmore East, June 1971".
In the cut-out bin at a thrift store.
For a buck.
In 1971.
Man got no respect...
That's a riot. I miss that show. There's something endearing about that fucked up family.
They just sold that house for like 10 mil.
"The '72 tour.
What else ya got???
dave©™"
steve said yesterday he had a great boot of that band...i want it! he must not remember, being old and all...
Beatles 64 Pittsburgh Civic Arena
She loves you ya ya ya
Chocolate Proton--I made vegetable beef soup in the crockpot today, since both Monsieur and I are under the weather. We have plenty. Help yourself.
remember that video the McCartneys did where they played all the different members of the band playing and singing the awful song?
The Osbournes look quite respectable by comparison.
the dead
cape cod auditorium, january 1978.
pasaic theatre, march 31, 1978
everything else is just pretend, though the 4 nights at radio city in 82 came close.
Hell -- I'd rather listen to
Jack Wagner and Styx.
And if you know me, you can imagine
how horrifying a prospect that is.
steve simels
Don't know Jack Wagner, but at an even earlier stage in life, the soundtrack--or rather 8-track--was Styx's Equinox, along with the required Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and especially Black Sabbath.
I was still listening to that stuff when along came those new friends who showed me the door to a more interesting life. They were listening to The Smiths and The Cure, and at first I couldn't stand it--then it was never enough [!]. One of the guys was really into They might Be Giants, and in them I thought I found a musical kindred spirit.
It was in that period where The Sugarcubes put out "Regina," Jane's Addiction had Nothing's Shocking, and, yes, there was Nine Inch Nails. We were beside ourselves with this music. It made us very happy.
It's about time and place, musical amber, and yes it's a bit silly, but not sad, Steve. I suppose I'd get the same feeling, though, if someone said to me that they came of age listening to Third Eye Blind and Kid Rock.
Now get off my lawn!
Zappa indeed.
Peace people. BBL.
My guilty pleasure is McCartney in the 70s. Probably the only stuff from the early 70s of his I don't dig is "Red Rose Speedway." "Ram," "Wild Life," "Venus and Mars" - just love 'em. And a whole bunch of great singles - "Oh Woman, Oh Why" (the flip to "Another Day"), "Give Ireland Back to the Irish," "Junior's Farm"... my fave Macka single, though, is "Girls' School" - soft core porn with a beat!
And "With a Little Luck" is one of the greatest songs to listen to wearing headphones after smoking a joint - the airy space in the production is just fucking awesome!
cape cod auditorium, january 1978.
pasaic theatre, march 31, 1978
Some of the best shows I've heard are from 77 & 78.
morton kondracke on beltway boys said al gore became unhinged after his presidential defeat.
"Mine changed when I found Zappa's "Mothers, Filmore East, June 1971".
In the cut-out bin at a thrift store.
For a buck.
In 1971.
Man got no respect...
Doozer"
doozer!!!!! we are soul mates!
Do you realize what a subversive act it was for the librarian in lilly white, squaresville parma, ohio to put 'lumpy gravy' in the bin in '69 or 70? I had no idea music could sound like that...totally opened my mind...
then there was count basie in parma in 1975 or so...
Any King Crimson fans in the house?
I want more lycra, taller platforms, and bigger hair.
remember that video the McCartneys did where they played all the different members of the band playing and singing the awful song?
I believe that would be 1979's "Goodnight Tonight," if I'm not mistaken, and, to be fair, everyone had a disco single then, so it almost (note: ALMOST) wasn't his fault.
Steve Simels--have you asked Jack to blow you yet?
Zappa
Bow down
Steamroller!
Talk about your hemerroids, mama!
jack | 02.19.06 - 12:00 am | #
What did Mr. Simels say? We wouldn't want anything nasty to happen now would we, so why don't you just run along.
Uncle S,
My daughter credits the Gorrillaz and Linkin Park with making her cool.
I haven't the heart to break it to her.
David Gregory's blog
http://dailynightly.msnbc.com/
20...eek_that_w.html
Let me say at the outset that I was wrong to lose my temper at Scott McClellan. I've worked well with Scott since we first met during the 2000 campaign. Monday, he suggested my aggressive questioning about the disclosure of the hunting accident was a stunt for the cameras. He said this during a morning OFF CAMERA briefing, which undercut his point. Furthermore, I considered it a cheap shot. I said, "Don't be a jerk to me personally, just answer the question." I regret saying that because it's never appropriate to speak that way and because it created a distraction from the issues at hand.
etc.
----
The trained ear will detect the vectoring shiv.
-
marc ford and rich robinson have some of the best live guitar work ever. mid 90's touring. italian concerts were amazing.
This is a dangerous place...
Any King Crimson fans in the house?
;-D
Was just listening to "Starless" on repeat at work last week.
I've enjoyed all their incarnations.
" and especially Black Sabbath."
i could never get them...seemed like they plodded along...what's the attraction?
"Zappa
Bow down"
yup...think i'll cue up 'dub room'...
aw, crap, gotta go, help the proverbial friend in need, out on the edge of town with a flat tire, no spare and no aaa card.
being the nice guy is sometimes quite a bother.
stay warm, stay dry, beloveds.
OKay, I'm off to bed. Sleep well, bats, and don't let the Grandpa Simpson troll get you down!
I don't hunt for rare editions of rock music, I hunt for rare editions of books.
NiN, Joel Peter Witkin.
music meets photography.
hell, i probably don't know anyone and i know at least 4 or 5 guitar players that are better than the "names" out there.
it's all image and propaganda. does anyone really think Green Day and their ilk are talented musiscians? still, i don't just want Segovia.
i hated Roxanne when it came out, i was all about Ironman, now i really dig Roxanne, Ironman is still pretty cool too, where as ted nugent now sucks, tho i think he weilds an axe ok.
Jesus Christ what the hell is Gregory apologizing for? I thought Helen Thomas slipped some of her testosterone into his green tea...know he's neutering himself?
It's probably already been the subject of much snickering, but did eveyone see Fred Barnes on Bill Mahr last night? The audience laughed him off the virtual stage, with his "Bush as Rebel" rap.
1971 was one of those unassuming years that yielded some timeless kickass musical material.
Uncle Smokes:
Well, see, ultimately that's
the problem.
Into each of our lives comes
that horrible moment when
the pop music we
love with every fiber
of our being -- the
stuff that has most totally
changed and enriched our
entire existence --
starts to strike people a little
younger than us as just a tad
quaint.
but did eveyone see Fred Barnes on Bill Mahr last night?
I believe that I noted that he was a total wanker at the time.
Does anyone else think there's more to the Barnes-Kondracke relationship than meets the eye...?
(the flip to "Another Day"),
I always thought of that song as "the prequel to "Eleanor Rigby."
Damn I miss Frank
It's probably already been the subject of much snickering, but did eveyone see Fred Barnes on Bill Mahr last night? The audience laughed him off the virtual stage, with his "Bush as Rebel" rap.
Lester Burnham
Missed it, as I don't subscribe to HBO anymore. Any nuggets to share?
"Mother Nature's Son."
steve simels
Steve S - that was a long time ago, eh?
No mnatter. He's still a self-serving ass.
I'm still pissed at Mahr, he kept giving the audience the evil eye as they snickered and laughed at Barnes. At least he wasn't telling them to be quiet, like he was last year, when the boisterous audiences let the conservotrools have it.
Just in case anyone is wondering: Its 9 degrees here, the local news is showing mangled car wrecks on the tee vee & I'm listening to Bob Marley.
Norah Jones is going to make her acting debut in Wong Kar-Wai's first English-language movie.
I'm listening to "The Girl Is Mine"
At least he wasn't telling them to be quiet, like he was last year
When I still had HBO, I remember that Maher would lash out, kind of visciously, to his studio audience, when they would naturally react in a way he didn't "approve".
Norah Jones is going to make her acting debut in Wong Kar-Wai's first English-language movie.
Does that mean she's going to stop singing? Please god.
Fred Barnes on TDS struck us as this perfectly textbook, too perfect a parody to be real example of an airheaded beltway elitist. In particular the way he was so happy to chirp meaningless non-observations masquerading as facts or terribly deep insights ("but we have two parties" and again, since it gives him such glee to say it "the Democrat party and the Republican party.") was a great little microcosmic representation of the god-damned pandith caste.
Jesus Christ what the hell is Gregory apologizing for?
That quote was getting the niceties out of the way - the link is quite pushy:
Putting that aside, I do not apologize for asking tough questions about this story. I'm in the business of getting information -- as much of it as possible. The public and I don't always get as much as I think we deserve, but I keep trying. I also try to demand straight answers. Covering politicians, I have to work harder to get them. I have not made any judgments about the facts of this story as it pertains to what happened on the Armstrong ranch. I have stuck to reporting the facts. I do, however feel it's appropriate to push hard for full and immediate disclosure from our country's highest leaders about their conduct -- public and private. My view is, as elected officials with unparalleled influence over the lives of the American people, the President and Vice President owe the public information about their activities. I see myself as a proxy for the public that has raised questions about what happened and why the Vice President did not immediately disclose it. Furthermore, when a sitting Vice President shoots a man, it's a helluva story -- worthy of public notice and discussion. Therefore, I think it's appropriate to question the White House about why the Vice President chose to disregard the President's normal procedures for public disclosure. Mr. Cheney, in my view, acted as if he had something to hide. He also chose to allow a witness to this accident and the White House press secretary to spend three days portraying this as the fault of the shooting victim, Harry Whittington. Wednesday, Mr. Cheney changed course and took the blame. That invites press scrutiny.
This episode was also emblematic of how the Vice President chooses to communicate with the press and by extension the public. It also revealed tension within the White House between the staffs of the President and Vice President.
Yet the debate playing out in the blogosphere, cable airwaves and on talk radio pits the Vice President against an allegedly left-wing, overly cynical, prissy White House press corps in a tizzy because it wasn't the first to know and angry because it hates the President and Vice President anyway. This is nonsense. If you believe an accidental shooting by Vice President Al Gore would not be met with the same press scrutiny, I think you are not being honest with yourself.
etc.
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Laurel Hester died today.
Want to listen to my radio station?
Seriously --
I get, intellectually, why people
much older than me think the
Louis Armstrong "Hot Five" records
are the greatest things since sliced
bread, even though to me they
sound dated beyond belief.
I also understand why people much
younger than me think Dylan's
"The Basement Tapes" or the
Beatles "White Album" are corny.
And I understand why people my
age -- including me -- think,
say, Industrial music completely
sucks.
Nobody in the history of the world
has ever been open-minded or
perceptive enough to grok all
that stuff at the same time.
Including that disgusting
poseur Robert Christgau.
What a fricking liar........
When I still had HBO, I remember that Maher would lash out, kind of visciously, to his studio audience, when they would naturally react in a way he didn't "approve".
He's worried that conservatives will stop comimg on his show; the mAnnimal hasn't been on in forever (thank god). I wonder if they feuded, or if he hit on her and she ran back to Miami in a panic to hang out with the safer Matt Drudge
When I still had HBO, I remember that Maher would lash out, kind of visciously, to his studio audience, when they would naturally react in a way he didn't "approve".
He's worried that conservatives will stop comimg on his show; the mAnnimal hasn't been on in forever (thank god). I wonder if they feuded, or if he hit on her and she ran back to Miami in a panic to hang out with the safer Matt Drudge
Dont worry about a thing,
cause every little thing gonna be all right.
Singin: dont worry about a thing,
cause every little thing gonna be all right!
Rise up this mornin,
Smiled with the risin sun,
Three little birds
Pitch by my doorstep
Singin sweet songs
Of melodies pure and true,
Sayin, (this is my message to you-ou-ou
Fred Barnes on TDS struck us as this perfectly textbook, too perfect a parody
That interview left me wondering where that (rich) man would be without a carefully written script.
Brando's about to roll at TCM.
Was just listening to "Starless" on repeat at work last week.
I've enjoyed all their incarnations.
Uncle Smoke
Some of the best concerts...that is all I did back in the day...it was GREAT!
While Democritus, despairing of acquiring knowledge, blinds himself, Epicurus, feeling the hour of death approaching, takes a warm bath, calls for pure wine and recommends to his friends that they be faithful to philosophy.
Beatles 64 Pittsburgh Civic Arena
She loves you ya ya ya
;-D
yeah, that's before they figured dylan had the real groove.
there is not ever gonna be another dylan, kurt was close, or try'n hard, but times have changed.
it's all lost, to the neocons. this is why i hate it when i hear about republicans listening to rock and roll. because they definitely don't get it.
Maher = Imus
they play both sides for ratings and bucks
Steve, to redeem myself, I should also mention that aspect we all share: The private stash, the music we got into that others around us just would not listen to.
Seeing some of them mentioned here, I also count among my private treasures: Mahavishnu Orchestra, Miles Davis, King Crimson, and above all, an enduring love of Frank Zappa.
Everyone around me couldn't stand him, and that enhanced the feeling I had hit on something precious and rare, an illumination. For most he was just that "Yellow Snow" guy, but they hadn't listened to the sublime guitar solo on "Watermelon in Easter Hay," or the whimsical jazz of Hot Rats. Toss in something absurd like "Billy the Mountain" or Uncle Meat, and I was hooked for life.
I miss that man terribly.
I'm listening to Bob Marley.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | 02.19.06 - 12:07 am | #
Who's great.
But Trey whatsisface from Phish
once said he thought Marley was
the greatest musician who ever
lived.
Strikes me as a slight overstatement.
While Democritus seeks to learn from Egyptian priests, Persian Chaldeans and Indian gymnosophists, Epicurus prides himself on not having had a teacher, on being self-taught. There are some people, he says according to Seneca, who struggle for truth without any assistance. Among these people he has himself traced out his path. And it is they, the self-taught, whom he praises most. The others, according to him, are second-rate minds.
The reptilian trolls must freeze up and go into hibernation when the weather gets like this. Remarkably troll free tonight.
Strikes me as a slight overstatement.
Yeah. But ol' Bob was pretty damn good though.
there is not ever gonna be another dylan, kurt was close
You weren't toying with tentatively placing Kurt Cobain in the same seating section as Bob Dylan, I'm assuming.
Mahavishnu Orchestra, Miles Davis, King Crimson, and above all, an enduring love of Frank Zappa.
******
Uncle Smokes
All of the above...and then some
Amen Brother amen
Say what you will, but the speed skaters look awfully cute in their lycra body suits....
I loved/love Zappa.
Genius.
McCartney? Not so much.
Speaking of Zappa, did you know "200 Motels" was on Sundance Channel the other day?
At noon! Who the fuck wants to watch that at 12 noon!?!
I don't see another showing scheduled at present...
steve, i like 'em all.
but even before dylan there was satchmo.
and the best part of martin scorsese's special was playing billy holliday's strange fruit.
that's what rock and roll is all about.
charley: doesn't it make you physically sick to think of W having Creedence in his ipod?
talk about *clueless* (of course, maybe it was one of Fat Karl's little ploys)
72 copenhagen on dvd was my favorite Jesus Birthday gift.
very sweet sound, but yeah 78, my faqvorite year.
It is no accident that the worst fascist regimes in Latin America were all led by the rich Catholics who were Spain-Portugal settlements originally and used the indigent people as slaves, some times sexually, as the recent 60 minutes II segment showed about the native Indians and the far reaches in Canada. Wait'l the rest of it comes out about the Fransciscans in the American west---ooooooh eee, pig, sooie, what that is going to do.
The reptilian trolls must freeze up and go into hibernation when the weather gets like this. Remarkably troll free tonight.
ΤΏΤ
Actually we have an infestation of a new sort, the "inanity troll". Their posts contain the exact semantic content of a fy scroller, but they use actual words...
zappa: Hot Rats, and Fillmore East.
Including that disgusting
poseur Robert Christgau.
What a fricking liar........
OK, dish!
The reptilian trolls must freeze up and go into hibernation when the weather gets like this. Remarkably troll free tonight.
ΤΏΤ
Hard to get to the Library when it's closed...
"The audience laughed him off the virtual stage, with his "Bush as Rebel" rap.
Lester Burnham, not yet dead"
barnes is too stupid to know if bush's name was 'johnson' and had the 'd' next to his name he'd skewer him mercilessly...
"I get, intellectually, why people
much older than me think the
Louis Armstrong "Hot Five" records
are the greatest things since sliced
bread, even though to me they
sound dated beyond belief."
well, fuck ya, if for no other reason the technology sounds primative..but when it's new and novel, that's what people glom onto and for good reason...genius and innovation.
The Sunday Times
February 19, 2006
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...2047074,00.html
US military planes criss-cross Europe using bogus call sign
Jon Swain and Brian Johnson-Thomas in Rome
THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.
Not only is the call sign bogus according to the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) so, it appears, are some of the aircraft details the Americans have filed with the air traffic control authorities.
In at least one case, a plane identified with the CIA practice of extraordinary rendition transporting terrorist suspects left a US air base just after the arrival of an aircraft using the bogus call sign.
The call sign Juliet Golf Oscar (JGO) followed by a flight number belongs, says the ICAO, to a now bankrupt Canadian low-cost airline called Jetsgo of Montreal.
But for several years and as recently as last December it has been used selectively by both the American air force and army to cover the flights of aircraft to and from the Balkans.
etc.
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Plus, some are classified "humanitarian", the fucktards.
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I miss that man terribly.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 12:15 am | #
See, he's a perfect example.
I understand that he was brilliant,
and an innovator on tons of levels.
But, with a couple of exceptions,
his music leaves me utterly cold.
I mean, he was clever and funny.
But I get no emotion from it at all.
Especially the guitar playing,
which to me is just playing
scales really fast. He's like
Eddie Van Halen without the
charm. (A joke).
Like I said, I know he's important.
But i could care less.
Mother promised me she would use a moisturizer. bitch!
THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.
Next time they catch them doing it they ought to shoot damn plane down just to make the point clear. Fuckers.
You weren't toying with tentatively placing Kurt Cobain in the same seating section as Bob Dylan, I'm assuming.
Max Planck
i'm just saying different eras have different icons.
i never liked nirvana til kurt killed him self and i realized he meant what he was saying.
not exactly a ringing endorsement of out present culture.
Like I said, I know he's important.
But i could care less.
steve simels
hmmmm.That's opinion, simels.
This time, in Canada, it was not just the Roman Catholic priests--who used physical torture BTW (that means By The Way, BTW), but also included the Anglicans who it seems may be out of business when all the lawsuits--billions of bucks worth--are finally settled. There seems to be something about these hard-nosed religious black or white fundamentalist types.
So I said downpressor man, where you gonna run to
I said downpressor man, where you gonna run to
I said downpressor man, where you gonna run to
All along that day
You drink your big champagne and laugh, hahahahaha
You drink your big champagne and laugh, hahahahaha
You drink your big champagne and laugh, haha
All along that day
steve, i like 'em all.
but even before dylan there was satchmo.
and the best part of martin scorsese's special was playing billy holliday's strange
fruit.
that's what rock and roll is all about.
charley | 02.19.06 - 12:19 am | #
Dude, of course.
I get Armstrong.
It's just not what I listen to
primarily for pleasure.
Miles Davis quintet versions of All of You have the perfect tempo for walking Californ Eye A.
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Mahavishnu Orchestra"
Uncle Smokes
the only album i own is 'visions of the emerald beyond'...i remember taking it into my drum teacher..an old jazz fart, trying to have him help me figure out the time signatures...think i blew his mind, but in the end he had a grudging admiration...
(he also taught me i could count to 9.....ha!)
We keep meeting kids who adore Cobain as God and insist passionately that Courtney Love killed him.
I suppose if a genie were to grant me the chance to see any performance at any time, I would choose a Zappa Halloween show in New york City, perhaps the 1977 show recorded in the film Baby Snakes.
The runners up would be the second performance at the Fillmore by Hendrix New Year's 1969, where he stood still and blasted out a rendition of "Machine Gun" that showcased every bit of his creative talent, or a performance by Billie Holiday in the early 50's, where her voice was rougher and the humanity poured through.
On that note, on the TV in my motel room was a biography of Ella Fitzgerald, and although I was aware of her ability, I never heard such intense, concentrated vocal power before.
I suppose that too is a function of age. I just didn't bother before, but now am able to receive and appreciate such beauty.
not exactly a ringing endorsement of out present culture.
charley
Nirvana changed the rock landscape overnight, that's a fact. But, I'm not sure Kurt even knew what he had done or how long it would last.
Dylan, though, seemed like he was at once 65 and 19 when he took on the record industry. He was an experienced novice. An old soul.
"Especially the guitar playing,
which to me is just playing
scales really fast. He's like
Eddie Van Halen without the
charm. (A joke)."
it better be...
"Nirvana changed the rock landscape overnight, that's a fact. But, I'm not sure Kurt even knew what he had done or how long it would last."
how? i find his stuff very retro, actually...
Do you realize what a subversive act it was for the librarian in lilly white, squaresville parma, ohio to put 'lumpy gravy' in the bin in '69 or 70? I had no idea music could sound like that...totally opened my mind...
then there was count basie in parma in 1975 or so...
jdw
Hey, them Librarians are this country's premier subversives. They actually believe in all that commiepinko crap like, oh, culture, education, broad/open-mindedness.
You wanna see a 60 year old lady's nipples get hard? Move into town, read up all the books in the juvenile section in a couple months, and go to the desk and say "Please, may I have some more?" Mrs Quivey, GRHS, brought her A E Van Vogt books from home for me. Not that I understood a bit of it at 11 years old...
Librarians Day should be a national holiday.
(I was kidding about the nipples...)
Dylan was hope for the white race.
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Any King Crimson fans in the house?
;-D
[waves hand]
Kids these days and their "music", its just so much noise. Tut, tut, tut.
"On that note, on the TV in my motel room was a biography of Ella Fitzgerald, and although I was aware of her ability, I never heard such intense, concentrated vocal power before."
one of the joys of my life is that before all these old warriors died, i got to see a lot of 'em...saw ella with oscar peterson...
fucking a...
Cobain's status can be esily overestimated, but he had some good songs.
...and he put a stake in the heart of Michael Jackson's singing career.
for which I at least, am grateful.
republicans don't get it.
that should be the meme.
fer chrissakes that should as obvious as being shot in the face. upon which event they actually apologize to the shooter.
at least kurt had the the fuck'n decency to die.
republicans are not for real, but they really are running things, and with that, peace to everyone who is not a republican.
i really don't feel comfortable being a democrat, i could totally get behind the anti-republican party.
how? i find his stuff very retro, actually...
jdw
The "Alternative" sound had been laboring for at least a decade before Nirvana made the scene. But that band gave that admittedly stupid moniker some gravitas. A shit load, as a matter of fact. Metal, specifically hair metal suffered a stroke the day Nevermind's angst hit the charts.
I heard in the media when Kurt Cobain died he was the John Lennon of my generation.
I got an answer to my letter to Jim Brady of WaPo. He says that I have the right to my strongly felt opinions but that he doesn't share them. So.
Doozer: thanks for the tip...i'll never forget seeing that guy on the album cover in the suspenders and pipco shirt...brought it home put it on the low-fi with the genuine synthetic ruby stylus and it was like 'what the fuck'?
the thing was that the condition of the city i grew up in was so straight laced, so whitebread, so racist, so close-minded...it was a fucking miracle to find that album there...bless that person that was responsible for putting it there...
I am still listening to Underworlds Greatest Hits.
bigmouth and skyscaraper especially.
Dylan, though, seemed like he was at once 65 and 19 when he took on the record industry. He was an experienced novice. An old soul.
Max Planck
dylan was sumth'n special.
won't see the like of him for awhile.
an idiot savant? i don't know, seems to have a clue what he was about, but went far beyond...
and again the record industry has changed.
really i should go to bed, leave these weightier issues to steve. i've no idea what i'm talk'n about, but i do know republicans don't get rock and roll.
Echidne--apparently he disdains facts.
I know he's important.
But i could care less.
So I guess I should send back the "Joe's Garage" box set I got you for your birthday?
"Especially the guitar playing,
which to me is just playing
scales really fast. He's like
Eddie Van Halen without the
charm. (A joke)."
it better be...
jdw | 02.19.06 - 12:29 am | #
Alas no...
I can't think of a more overrated
guitar player than Zappa.
And I'll stipulate he was a genius
musician.
And now I'm gonna shut up,
having hijacked another thread
about music.
" A shit load, as a matter of fact. Metal, specifically hair metal suffered a stroke the day Nevermind's angst hit the charts.
Max Planck"
didn't see it as anymore angst then a lot of previous rock/pop...what i think they brought was a punk mentality along with a songwriting sensibility...the beatles with lots of fuzz..i hated punk but loved nirvana
I got an answer to my letter to Jim Brady of WaPo. He says that I have the right to my strongly felt opinions but that he doesn't share them. So.
That is so generous of Mister Brady, to grant as how you have a right to your own opinion.
Who is kurt cobain?
I can't think of a more overrated
guitar player than Zappa.
And now I gotta add "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar" to the package!
The question for me for any musician or music is - do they have soul? Bach, yes. Hendrix, yes. Monk, yes.
etc.
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I miss that man terribly.
Uncle Smokes
Roger that. Zappa, though, was definitely not for everyone.
It's funny, though, Steve, that that "playing the scales real fast" bit is just what Frank thought about Van Halen. Really fast fingers there, Eddie...now what? I'm gonna WAG that what turns you off Frank's playing style is the shortage of conventional melody. I love melody--Moody Blues 4ever!--but for some reason, Zappa, Tom Waits, and Crimson, who do a lot of stuff without a whole lot of melody, hit my ears just the right way.
VROOOOOM!!
Love that song...
Speaking of great rebels like Cobain, you do know that Christ was one of the greatest. He was a Jew who didn't like the strict fundamentalist Jews very much--you know the moneylenders in the Temple, nor the ones that were so male-mysoginistally (spelling please?) oriented--and, they say he wasn't too fond of the Roman fascists either. Not alot of people know about that.
Nirvana opened up some doors that didn't stay open very long. I've listened to the same rock radio station for the last twentysome years, through all their various trendfollowing changes. the most interesting time was the early to mid '90s when they tried to mix 'altrock' with classics. There were more women's voices then than any other time.
flo and eddie were the guitar geniuses behind Fillmore east. just saying.
but there was something very baroque behind the guitar work on "Joe's Garage"
BTW, I gotta say, I really enjoy "200 Motels" (the movie). But then, I also like "Head" and "Eat the Document"...
Who is kurt cobain?
jack | 02.19.06 - 12:42 am | #
the beatles with lots of fuzz..i hated punk but loved nirvana
jdw
I like Nirvana as well. I suppose each rock epoch is evaluated by what exists contemporaneously. I guess "Rape Me" and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" contrasted nicely with "Girls, Girls, Girls" by the then reigning bad boys Motley Crue. But you are right in that the hooks utilized by Nirvana were not original by any means.
"I can't think of a more overrated
guitar player than Zappa."
FOAD, you glorious bastard...you want scales and tweedle dee, tweedle do, look to garcia...
i think of fz as the antithesis of the rock guitarist with ascending scales into the panty wetting orgasmic noodling of eddy van halen.....more like what bartok would be if he played the guitar..and the tone? jeebus!
Billy the Mountain was formative.
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Laurel Hester died today.
masculine_monica_nyc
Thanks for the news, Monica. I was unaware of who Laurel Hester was. Now I know.
Keep in mind folks, that Congress will likely be voting on the hateful "Federal Marriage Amendment" soon. If I understand correctly, it'll be the Musgrave version:
"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman."
That little clause I emphasized essentially outlaws any relationship that is not hetereosexual.
Speaking of great rebels like Cobain, you do know that Christ was one of the greatest. He was a Jew who didn't like the strict fundamentalist Jews very much--you know the moneylenders in the Temple, nor the ones that were so male-mysoginistally (spelling please?) oriented--and, they say he wasn't too fond of the Roman fascists either
True, at least in terms of the rebels that history has cared to record. Most rebels probably didn't get recorded at all.
But the wingnuts' Christ is none of these things. He's into punishment, yes, but punishment of the "other".
jack - just go away. your constant blathering sucks.
I suppose if a genie were to grant me the chance to see any performance at any time, I would choose a Zappa Halloween show in New york City, perhaps the 1977 show recorded in the film Baby Snakes.
Oh, take me with you!
Love the way he played Eric Estrada...
FOAD, you glorious bastard...you want scales and tweedle dee, tweedle do, look
to garcia...
i think of fz as the antithesis of the rock guitarist with ascending scales into the
panty wetting orgasmic noodling of eddy van halen.....more like what bartok
would be if he played the guitar..and the tone? jeebus!
jdw | 02.19.06 - 12:46 am | #
Oh, sure, Garcia sucks worse.
But at least he had an instrumental
tone that was recognizably his own.
Zappa, apart from speed, was totally
faceless.
And for all he used the guitar
as a rhythm insrument, he might
have well as been a flute player.
Billy the Mountain was formative.
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QuentinCompson
Billy the Mountain was seismic...
But i could care less.
steve simels
Oh my. Steve, do you hate my efforts that I've sent you, too?
I'll desist from sending anymore if you so desire.
jesus liked boys.
like ken mehlman and jeff gannon.
jesus turned water into wine and chased the MNBA lenders from the temple.
whore like mary magdalene dug jesus, as did lepers and sinners.
but jesus liked boys. and girls. damn jesus.
"here were more women's voices then than any other time.
nick carraway "
the thing with that is...why can't women, by and large, come back after stellar freshman efforts?
"but there was something very baroque behind the guitar work on "Joe's Garage"
I think it was Vinnie Colaiuta on drums, actually. The was the first drummer of FZ that could really keep up, in space and time, with what fz had in his head.
Billy the Mountain was formative.
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QuentinCompson
Billy the Mountain was seismic...
Doozer
Billy was a mountain, and Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder.
A mountain is something you don't want to fuck with.
Guys?
I love you all.
I don't know why I'm fighting
with you over Frank Zappa as if
the Little Sociopath(TM) was here.
Actually I find Zappa's rhythms interesting and emblematic, but I guess that doesn't get added into the rhythm guitar credits per se.
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My favorite tune from Nirvana is the unplugged version of All Apologies. A really fine piece of work.
"Zappa, apart from speed, was totally
faceless."
now yer just talking out yer ass...an instantly recognizable style and tone..
now, i'll agree that the emotional appeal IS on a more sosphisticated level..but you have to understand soloing over the time signature rather then along with it...
Oh my. Steve, do you hate my efforts that I've sent you, too?
I'll desist from sending anymore if you so desire.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 12:50 am | #
Different esthetic.
At least that's how I heard you,
anyway.
Seriously....I don't even hear
Zappa in your stuff, except for
the political satire.
I like what you do....
but jesus liked boys. and girls. damn jesus.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari | 02.19.06 - 12:50 am
Red and yellow, black and white - the race traitor!
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Man, I haven't smoked pot for a day and a half because I might get piss-tested by an employer.
I think I'm going to tell them I won't do their test. It's a privacy invasion. I can find better employment.
Speaking of Cobain, my wife's watching a rerun of "Six Feet Under," and they just had a flashback sequence where Nate's all torn up over the announcement of Kurt's death.
Weird how these things work...
Uncle Smokes;
If your stuff is Zappa influenced,
it seems to me it's in the tradition
of the Mothers' "Trouble Coming
Everyday."
Which links it to the blues.
Which is where I find most of
Zappa's stuff lacking.
I'm feeling sober and pissed. I love marijuana.
"I suppose if a genie were to grant me the chance to see any performance at any time, I would choose a Zappa Halloween show in New york City, perhaps the 1977 show recorded in the film Baby Snakes."
i get off more on the incarnation with chester thompson, ruth underwood and george duke...less emphasis on theatrics and more on music..
ATrios should have messageboards.
Weird how these things work...
dave©
I noticed Battlestar Galactica has worked "Force Recon" and abortion politics into the show.
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But at least he had an instrumental
tone that was recognizably his own.
Zappa, apart from speed, was totally
faceless.
Steve, I think it just goes to your own taste in music. No one else on this planet sounded like Frank. A dedicated Zappa fan can tell an FZ song from a wannabe in a couple bars. Stevie Vai could play rings around frank technically--Frank called him his Stunt Guitarist--but lacked Frank's compositional ability. Frank considered himself primarily a composer, who's chosen instrument was an electric guitar "played far too loud", and, in a world friendlier to composers, might not have done nearly as much of that noisy crap that drives nice people nuts.
He was happier doing things like the London Symphony Orchestra gig. Well, he would have been, if the trumpet section hadn't all gone out and gotten blasted on lunch break...
ATrios should have messageboards.
LP
I'm okay with just haloscan. I always go to the newest thread. There's always some activity in the newest thread.
"I'm feeling sober and pissed. I love marijuana.
Balzac"
drink. it ain't the same but it will get you thru..
society allows you to get a buzz, as long as you pay pennance the next morning...
BTW --
I once interveriwed Zappa
and he called me a pinhead.
And meant it!
yeah, but everything goes by so fast...
yeah, but everything goes by so fast...
"message boards"?--eh, it's an open thread. Plus, we're the overnight shift.
What I wanna see is Mr Simels taking on the question jdw asked just upthread about women artists not being able to follow through on promising beginnings.
I think it's because the music business has lost most all it's ability to nurture talent... & radio insists on instant and continuing success.
"rank considered himself primarily a composer, who's chosen instrument was an electric guitar "played far too loud", and, in a world friendlier to composers, might not have done nearly as much of that noisy crap that drives nice people nuts."
i don't think he woulda done much of the 'commercial suff(haha!) at all if he had a patron ala the classical 'greats' that payed them for their orchesteral works...
the most versatile composer since ellington..
jdw,
I don't drink anymore. I think I'll just have to deal with my bad mood by becomming more motivated.
I was suprised about how pissed I got when I had trouble connecting to the internet. I had to try 20 times and then I only got 16 kbps.
Sometimes when I get really pissed about my lousy dialup connection, I think about strangling a politician with piano wire. Why the fuck don't those politicians make national broadband access a priority?
frank, if i'm not mistaken is from a community right up the street from where i was born. a not small, not large city, on the outskirts of baltimore. think balt. to annapolis, in between that.
he called glenn burnie the armpit of the world, which is probably just home town pride, but not far off the mark.
i thought he was the best white boy play'n a guitar, but funked it up with all the grime and silliness.
not a judgement, just i'd of done something different with the talent.
and it's so cool he bought jimi's montery pop festival guitar for 25,000. dweezil sold it for a cool mill. i'd have paid it.
"I once interveriwed Zappa
and he called me a pinhead."
well. there it is
love ya
http://today.reuters.com/news/ne...IA-
CARNIVAL.xml
Morales, who became Bolivia's first indigenous president when he took office last month, as a youngster played the trumpet in a traditional Oruro band. He opened the annual bands festival that has become seen as the start of the carnival festivities that get into full swing next weekend.
The carnival in the highland mining city of Oruro, which blends Andean folklore with Catholicism, is recognized by UNESCO as a unique cultural event.
etc.
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"I'd rather be mayor."
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I think it was amazing how Zappa, the world's biggest iconoclast, was able to get Tina Turner and Jean-Luc Ponty to help out on such a cynical album as Over-Nite Sensation.
Dang, she just called out the winning Powerball numbers on the radio and I didn't have my pen ready...
Zappa, apart from speed, was totally
faceless.
Steve, I think it just goes to your own taste in music. No one else on this planet
sounded like Frank.
Well, of course it's just my taste.
But I'm not talking about his
compositional style.
I'm talking about the sound
of his intstrument.
You can tell great guitar players
from one or two notes.
Robert Johnson, Richard Thompson,
Tom Verlaine, Hendrix, Chet Atkins,
Chris Whitley, Leo Kottke, Segovia,
Bob Mould, Pete Townsend,
even primitives like Link Wray
or Johnny Ramone.
You get the idea.
Zappa?
Doubtful.......just fingers.
Johnny Ramone.
i get off more on the incarnation with chester thompson, ruth underwood and george duke...less emphasis on theatrics and more on music..
jdw
I read somewhere he was probably happier with the '74-'75 band than just about any of the others. I gotta say, though, nappy Brock's singing doesn't do much for me. The Helsinki Concert is still great, though, and One Size Fit's All is probab;ly the CD I put in the machine most often.
And how can you explain to anyone but another Zappaphile about the guitar lick that comes right at the end of "Can't Afford No Shoes"? Goosebumps...
I'm very excited about Evo Morales.
Viva la revolucion!
simels - what do you think of marc ford or rich robinson?
seriously.
"Zappa?
Doubtful.......just fingers.
Johnny Ramone."
you're being an idiot! zappa was never into playing scales fast...he called them 'mahavishnuisms'..an instantly recognizable tone and style...if you got ears...
Powerball Numbers: 15 17 43 44 48 and 29
Ten bucks down the drain...
society allows you to get a buzz, as long as you pay pennance the next morning...
jdw
and don't shoot anyone in the face.
unless you are Dick Cheney.
flo and eddie were the guitar geniuses behind Fillmore east. just saying.
i love it when HBO shows boxing matches. Besides Larry Merchant (he's way too old), they have the best commentators.
http://www.powerball.com/powerba.../
pb_numbers.asp
I'll settle for a 2% finders fee from any winners.
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What I wanna see is Mr Simels taking on the question jdw asked just upthread
about women artists not being able to follow through on promising beginnings.
I think it's because the music business has lost most all it's ability to nurture
talent... & radio insists on instant and continuing success.
nick carraway | 02.19.06 - 1:03 am | #
I must have missed that question.
And by the way, if you call me
Mr. Simels again I'll kick your
ass.
I'm Steve.
I'm way too young to be Mr.
Well, at least I think so....
I like what you do....
steve simels
Thanks, Steve. I truly don't want to impose on anyone who didn't at least have some interest in what I do.
I am tempted, though, to send you a Zappa tribute I made, interpreting some of his more vaudevillian material in my own style, including a 13-minute rendition of "Billy the Mountain."
I had such fun doing it. You'll hate it.
As for my style, what worried me about your previous comments is your dislike for industrial-type music. I believe that style does suffuse my rhythmic choices.*
However, there was that fateful day when my piano teacher gave me a slim volume called Book of Boogie Woogie and the Blues, Vol. 1.
Even when I attempt something dark and foreboding, I just can't shake the desire for syncopation, to make it swing a little.
Hymns of doom and destruction you can tap your foot to, as it were.
[*By the way, as I live in a third-floor apartment, I rely on a large loop library for percussion. Lately I've used construction kits put together by a drummer for Nine Inch Nails (that should disappoint you). However, the drumming that suits my needs best remains the two disc of material put together by Siggi Baldursson, drummer for The Sugarcubes.]
flo and eddie were the guitar geniuses behind Fillmore east. just saying.
Wasn't one or both of them members of the "Happy Together" Turtles, or am I totally cross-wires?
Well, another two bucks down the drain here. I only matched one number, 43.
and jeebus, Johnny Ramone?
johnny fucking ramone?
i'll grant you that in rock, attitude can be as important as technique...but that presumes and ability to actually play the most simplistic tune, in tune and in time...freddy green is an example of a person that could play simple but within context and do it perfectly...punk sucks, because while anyone can have an opinion and anyone can play 3 chords, not just anyone is worth listening to, let alone paying to listen to...
"Wasn't one or both of them members of the "Happy Together" Turtles"
yes. both.
http://www.powerball.com/powerba.../ pb_numbers.asp
I'll settle for a 2% finders fee from any winners.
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QuentinCompson | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:10 am | #
Pfft, I already posted 'em
frank, if i'm not mistaken is from a community right up the street from where i was born. a not small, not large city, on the outskirts of baltimore. think balt. to annapolis, in between that.
Yup. Hence the song, "What's New in Baltimore"...
Even when I attempt something dark and foreboding, I just can't shake the
desire for syncopation, to make it swing a little.
Hymns of doom and destruction you can tap your foot to, as it were.
[*By the way, as I live in a third-floor apartment, I rely on a large loop library
for percussion. Lately I've used construction kits put together by a drummer for
Nine Inch Nails (that should disappoint you). However, the drumming that suits
my needs best remains the two disc of material put together by Siggi
Baldursson, drummer for The Sugarcubes.]
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:11 am | #
Well, that's interesting!
And by the way -- as mossbound
as I am, I don't think it has
to swing. (Although I prefer if it
does).
Besides, swing is subjective?
Do the Rolling Stones swing?
Often.
Do the Ramones?
I personally think so.
Do.....NIN?
For me, no, but I can see where
you can make the case?
The Stooges?
Depends on which album....
Nirvana.....I think so.
We could go on....
Balzac: I hear ya on the dialup.
Weirdly enough, I read on the Democratic Daily blog earlier that Kerry & that Allen guy from VA just introduced a bill to open up more space on the broadcast spectrum to wireless internets.
So one of these days maybe we could keep up here...
The closet I've ever come to winning Powerball is three matching numbers.
Didn't one of the Ramones endorse Bush or something?
closest
Wasn't one or both of them members of the "Happy Together" Turtles, or am I totally cross-wires?
Max Planck
Both. Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan, the "Flo and Eddie" is an inside joke reference from their Zappa days Eddie and "the phlorescent leech." They also appear as back-up singers on T Rex's Electric Warrior.
Their wierd and wonderful falsettos make "Planet Queen" a favorite of mine from that album.
punk sucks, because while anyone can have an opinion and anyone can play 3 chords, not just anyone is worth listening to, let alone paying to listen to...
jdw
Plenty of punk involves a lot more than 3 chords. I personally don't like the Ramones, but I think of 'em less as a punk band than as a novelty act for pre-teens and aging hippies.
It sounds to me like punk "sucks" 'cause you don't like it. Which is fine. I've just never liked the chord-counting method of assessing musical worth.
BTW:
And this is my abosolute last
word on the subject --
Zappa doesn't swing.
He may play polyrhythms, but
who gives a fuck.
i play almost every week, cause you aren't gonna win, but if you do...
it's worth the price for the fantasy.
did i mention i was shallow?
i mean, i could buy jimi's burnt up guitar.
nite rats.
jebus, steve s.
what gives?
do you know marc ford's and rich robinson's work or not? If not, fine. If so...opinion?
I just lookes up on allmusic, Chip Douglas arranged the horns for the Turtles on Happy Together. That fucker got around behind the scenes a lot in the 60's. He arranged a lot of the Byrds and the Monkee's stuff,
Zappa doesn't swing.
He may play polyrhythms, but
who gives a fuck.
steve simels
I agree 100 percent on that one. To me, Zappa's music reminds me of the gag about how come the dog licks his balls: 'cause he can.
I may not like the Ramones either, but at least I know that whatever song they're playing will be over in a couple of minutes.
do you know marc ford's and rich robinson's work or not? If not, fine. If
so...opinion?
sconi | 02.19.06 - 1:18 am | #
You'll have to be more specific.
Didn't one of the Ramones endorse Bush or something?
Balzac
one yay, one nay.
aren't they both dead now?
and i love Aerosmith, but i'll never listen to them with the same ear again.
Didn't one of the Ramones endorse Bush or something?
Personally, I don't care about the political affiliations of entertainers, as long as they are good at what htey do.
Didn't one of the Ramones endorse Bush or something?
Balzac
One of 'em went GOP...don't remember which.
It's not unheard of, in that milieu. Lee Ving from Fear and Billy Zoom from X are both basically Republicans at this point.
I may not like the Ramones either, but at least I know that whatever song they're playing will be over in a couple of minutes.
Phila
That's what attracted Jello Biafra to them. Inundated with album-oriented rock of the day, here was this band with short songs and no guitar solos.
He was hooked.
Some Zappa is alright, but I don't like funny music.
Personally, I don't care about the political affiliations of entertainers, as long as they are good at what htey do.
LP
I agree up to a point, but you won't catch me listening to any Skrewdriver LPs.
I may not like the Ramones either, but at least I know that whatever song
they're playing will be over in a couple of minutes.
Phila | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:21 am | #
Which also reminds me of when
they asked Bruce Springsteen
what his favorite radio station
was (this was back in the late 70s).
Bruce said "WCBS (the oldies
station).
The interviewer then said "Why?"
And Bruce answered "Because if I
don't like a song it's over in
three minutes."
FOX NEWS SUNDAY, 9 a.m.: Sens. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) and Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.); Ford's Theatre director Paul Tetreault and former senator Alan K. Simpson (R-Wyo.).
THIS WEEK (ABC), 9a.m.: Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff , Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.), Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) and Miami Heat player Shaquille O'Neal .
MEET THE PRESS (NBC), 9 a.m. : Chertoff, Maureen Dowd, David Gregory, Paul Gigot & Mary Matalin.
FACE THE NATION (CBS), 10:30 a.m.: Sens. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.).
LATE EDITION (CNN), 11 a.m.: Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), British Ambassador David Manning , German Ambassador Wolfgang Ischinger , French Ambassador Jean-David Levitte , retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton , who was commander of Iraqi troop training, and Chertoff .
Noticed the WaPo left off 'Maureen Dowd, David Gregory, Paul Gigot & Mary Matalin' from their listing. Must be the MMA effect.
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I think it was amazing how Zappa, the world's biggest iconoclast, was able to get Tina Turner and Jean-Luc Ponty to help out on such a cynical album as Over-Nite Sensation.
Max Planck
The number of musicians who worked with Frank is exceeded only by the number of those who wished they had...
It's not unheard of, in that milieu. Lee Ving from Fear and Billy Zoom from X are both basically Republicans at this point.
Phila
To me, it's worlds apart if a rich person backs a Republican slate as opposed to a person whose economic status could crash and burn at any second.
Although I say that with the caveat that I don't even know as a certainty what Democrat or Republican means anymore.
I agree up to a point, but you won't catch me listening to any Skrewdriver LPs.
yeah, but i said good
As for lead guitar work, my all-time favorite remains Jeff Beck, particularly the albums Blow By Blow, Wired, and There & Back.
However, for rhythm guitar, I'd give anything to develop a style like Andy Gill on Gang of Four's Entertainment! album.
Neil Diamond rocks and I don't care who knows it.
Lee Ving from Fear and Billy Zoom from X are
both basically Republicans at this point.
Phila | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:23 am |
You're kidding.
Both of those guys???????
That's what attracted Jello Biafra to them. Inundated with album-oriented rock of the day, here was this band with short songs and no guitar solos.
That was a big deal to me, too, back in the day. It was so fucking great not to hear solos...
A lot of punk music consists of a band taking a musical shit on the audience. There always was a fascist edge to the punk genre.
I don't find it very suprising that a musical genre that is so white, so anti-hippie, and so generally stinky would have prominent members who endorse Bush's ideology.
Still, Jello Biafra is a good solid liberal. He did a good job MCing during the last big DC protest and during the RNC/NYC protest as well.
death to Negroponte Death Squads!
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
Death to Negroponte, Death Squads!
Punctuation is so important.
Both of those guys???????
steve simels
Pretty sure. Doesn't surprise me too much, really. Ving's always been kind of a reactionary prick. And Billy Zoom has always been kind of a traditionalist...he became a Christian, and I guess he felt being a Gooper went hand in hand with it.
eil Diamond rocks and I don't care who knows it.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:27 am |
Is that really you, asshole?
Book TV on Peznit's day: Jawbreak(tm)
Meanwhile, Zappa Joe's garage was amazing, it parodied albulm rock with a theme, it parodied the industry and society, it parodied the fans, it parodied Zappa.
Ringo and a Nun that looked like Keith Moon were pretty good too.
If Zappa were alive today he'd be Oprah's favorite guest.
Republican means Fascist.
that's the difference.
times changed, after 9/11.
WE ARE AT WAR!
It was so fucking great not to hear solos...
Phila
I concur with this sentiment
Jawbreaker... 
"It sounds to me like punk "sucks" 'cause you don't like it. Which is fine. I've just never liked the chord-counting method of assessing musical worth.
Phila"
it ain't about counting chords...it's about having talent and ear and a basic ability to play...and appreciation of the context of the music...like i said, i'll bet freddy green didn't play more then a few chords in any one tune.
i think the best of the best in the pop/rock genera don't look at the 2:50 constraint as say, 'jeebus, what can i do with that'? instead they look at it as a challenge to be creative within the frame and do it well...just as musicians that felt that swing was 'constraining' because the music was somewhat structured (outside of solos) felt if they expanded that they could noodle nonsensically for however long they wished....
and while i don't believe that technique is the end all for the musician(there would be a lot of them out of work if that was so), they should at least make a decent go of it out of respect for the audience...
punk, by and large, does neither...it excuses sloppy techique, or no technique at all, with the rationalization it's 'against' something else...like techique or overproduction or somesuch...it has a certain populist appeal..sure, anyone can bang drums or strum a guitar, but that don't make it worth paying for....and to make it worth paying for involves the sort of music hype and bullshitting that some people would find offensive.
Zappa kicks ass, and the Ramones rock. And punk is at its heart fascist. It's merely empty "rebellion," not revolutionary in any meaningful sense. Purely image.
Punctuation is so important.
The Chocolate Proton | 02.19.06 - 1:29 am | #
I've got a black, magic woman.
That said, I still like a good bit of punk music anyway...
A lot of punk music consists of a band taking a musical shit on the audience. There always was a fascist edge to the punk genre.
I don't find it very suprising that a musical genre that is so white, so anti-hippie, and so generally stinky would have prominent members who endorse Bush's ideology.
Still, Jello Biafra is a good solid liberal. He did a good job MCing during the last big DC protest and during the RNC/NYC protest as well.
Balzac
See, I have a different take. It's true that there's a fascist edge to some punk...but there's a fascist edge to youth culture generally, as even hoary old windbags like Pete Townshend and Roger Waters have taken pains to explain.
For that matter, as someone who grew up surrounded by hippies, I can say that it was oppressive and stultifying. And while punks may have gone overboard on hippie hatred, it's not like hippies didn't return the compliment.
And Biafra, I gotta tell you, is essentially into self-promotion. Yeah, he's "liberal"...but he's also a self-aggrandizing rip-off artist from way back. That's what I think, anyway.
"I am I said
To no one there"
or however the hell that went... yeah, I can believe he digs Neil
steve s: any opinion on the women's followup question from earlier?
Well, I know that Republican means some degree of, well, shitty. But they certainly have abandoned fiscal conservatism and international circumspection. Those are now off of the fucking Republican table, by their own choice.
My ideal Democrat is certainly not one who would blindly throw around "handouts", as the tired assed pundits claim, but at least a plausible champion of those, the majority of us BTW, who cannot of our own individual doing, fight those who woulde crush us.
It's not unheard of, in that milieu. Lee Ving from Fear and Billy Zoom from X are both basically Republicans at this point.
A certain kind of dumbass libertarianism does kind of fit into a "punk" ethos. You know, "fuck you man, I ain't gonna pay no capital gains tax!"
Johnny was the dopey conservative Ramone.
I don't really see a fascist edge to Minor Threat or Minutemen...I think it depends on what parts of punk you look at, like any type of music.
And punk is at its heart fascist. It's merely empty "rebellion," not revolutionary in any meaningful sense. Purely image.
rorschach
I think that's true of "rebellious music" generally. But I don't think empty rebellion is fascist by definition, unles you mean that by offering a false liberation it keeps the culture industry humming along smoothly. Which I wouldn't argue with.
The problem isn't
solos.
The problem is BAD solos.
C'mon -- the Ramones put a
solo in "Don't Come Close."
It was simple, but it was great.
All your sellouts are belong to us!
But I don't think empty rebellion is fascist by definition, unles you mean that by offering a false liberation it keeps the culture industry humming along smoothly. Which I wouldn't argue with.
Agreed. It's probably wrong to call punk fascist, though a lot of punks are fascist. It's more just nihilist, in the sense of having no real point other than opposition for the sake of money-making opposition.
Johnny was the dopey conservative Ramone.
Thers | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:35 am
Fuck that little George Bush loving
dickhead.
BTW -- you know the Ramones broke
up because Joey couldn't stand
how Johnny was a Republican prick?
Steve...
I'm referring to the live shows of the Black Crowes during the early-mid-90's w/Marc Ford. Absolutely brilliant work guitar-wise.
Studio parts of Southern Harmony and Musical Companion as well as parts of Amorica are great IMHO.
The live shows were especially excellent.
I don't really see a fascist edge to Minor Threat or Minutemen...I think it depends on what parts of punk you look at, like any type of music.
LP
A lot of it's elitist...that was the problem I always had with it, even when I was in the thick of it. But you certainly can't say across the board that it's fascist. The Minutemen weren't...the Buzzcocks weren't...lots of people weren't.
And then, one of the more objectively fascist-leaning punk bands would be the Fall, whom Rorschach and I both love. So go figure.
There aren't many Neil Diamond songs at karaoke bars because only Neil Diamond is able to sing his own songs. Other artists don't even try to sing them.
To me, it's all a matter of moderation. I'll take a clean, primitive short Harrison solo that blends wonderfully with the rest of the tune over a specifically featured, though painfully busy Malmsteen wrestling match with the fretboard any day.
SHMC was damned good, those guys were on. Marc Ford, am i confusing him with Ardley Freed from Cry of Love?
Another badassed band.
And then, one of the more objectively fascist-leaning punk bands would be the Fall, whom Rorschach and I both love. So go figure.
Phila
Heh. Yes indeed.
Also--saw the Buzzcocks in Denver a number of years back. They kicked ass.
Just realized too that the band I've seen live more than any other is... The Cramps.
Phila,
Interesting thoughts.
Hence Leucippus and Democritus, who assert that the primary bodies always moved in the void and in the infinite, should say what kind of motion this is, and what is the motion natural to them. For if each of the elements is forcibly moved by the other, then it is still necessary that each should have also a natural motion, outside which is the enforced one. And this first motion must not be enforced but natural. Otherwise the procedure goes on to infinity.
Aristotle
That said, I still like a good bit of punk music anyway...
rorschach"
i like the ny dolls...does that count?
"And Biafra, I gotta tell you, is essentially into self-promotion. Yeah, he's "liberal"...but he's also a self-aggrandizing rip-off artist from way back. That's what I think, anyway."
god, this conversation is all over...i was gonna say that from what i heard of this idiot...he strikes me as an idiot...and one that realizes there'a a makrket for his idiot-ness.
I'm referring to the live shows of the Black Crowes during the early-mid-90's
w/Marc Ford. Absolutely brilliant work guitar-wise.
Studio parts of Southern Harmony and Musical Companion as well as parts of
Amorica are great IMHO.
The live shows were especially excellent.
sconi | 02.19.06 - 1:39 am | #
Oh.
That's what I thought you meant.
Yeah, great stuff.
Just wasn't sure what context
we were discussing it in.....
Ever try to sing along to one of Neil Diamond's songs on the radio?
Didn't think so....
A lot of it's elitist...that was the problem I always had with it, even when I was in the thick of it. But you certainly can't say across the board that it's fascist. The Minutemen weren't...the Buzzcocks weren't...lots of people weren't.
Are you saying that Minor Threat and Minutemen are elitist? If so, I vehemently disagree.
Flo and Eddie...
Still alive!
Still touring, too.
Check out the picture after the slideshow stops. Check the look on Kaylan's face...
You people might know the answer to this: where is the protest music today? Who's making any?
Kanye West?
Agreed. It's probably wrong to call punk fascist, though a lot of punks are fascist. It's more just nihilist, in the sense of having no real point other than opposition for the sake of money-making opposition.
rorschach
Maybe I'm a dewy-eyed sentimentalist, but I'm not even sure I can go along with that. When I was involved with it, there were a lot of sweet, good-hearted kids. Confused, sure...self-destructive, maybe...but not fascistic or nihilistic. The negativity has really been overblown over the years, IMO...I don't remember it that way at all. And what there was seemed to me to come largely from the influx of jocks that are inevitable when you have adrenalin-fueled music.
If you've got a man's voice, you can sing along with Neil. I know I do.
There aren't many Neil Diamond songs at karaoke bars because only Neil Diamond is able to sing his own songs. Other artists don't even try to sing them.
jack
That's funny, I find Neil Diamond to be one of the artists I enjoy singing along to because he doesn't go into a range I can't attain.
The south is the Southern Harmony albulm jacket and Neil Young's Southern Man.
in the sense of having no real point other than opposition for the sake of money-making opposition.
rorschach
Well then the sky's the limit for a punk revival these days.
had four numbers once on powerball.
Are you saying that Minor Threat and Minutemen are elitist? If so, I vehemently disagree.
LP
I would call Minor Threat elitists, sure. "Straight Edge"? Come on!
I don't think the Minutemen were. But I wasn't talking about the bands...I was talking about the scene itself. The whole "we are not part of society" thing...
ou people might know the answer to this: where is the protest music today?
Who's making any?
Kanye West?
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:43 am | #
Yup.
That's the Little Sociopath(TM)
Go fuck yourself, buddy.!!!!!
Confused, sure...self-destructive, maybe...but not fascistic or nihilistic. The negativity has really been overblown over the years, IMO...I don't remember it that way at all. And what there was seemed to me to come largely from the influx of jocks that are inevitable when you have adrenalin-fueled music.
Well, I've had more violent altercations with gangs of punks than with stultifying hippies, but you're right.
When living in New Orleans, for example, I knew a lot of "gutterpunks" and yeah, for the most part they were sweet, young, and confused.
The few skinhead types among them rather tainted them by association in my memory, but yes, they really were the exception rather than the rule.
The kids just aren't making anything for me to remember these times by. That's a real let-down. Because I like having some music to associate with things and there's just nothing going on right now.
Or, is there?
punk rockers hate everybody.
they're all scared little shits.
Good night good people, and especially to my favorite "pinhead," Steve Don't-Call-Me-Mister Simels!
Nothing brings people together more than their dislike of each other's musical tastes! A conversion that starts, "I like Zappa," followed by, "Yeah, I like him, too," while warm and validating, just goes nowhere.
I suppose I could be a jerk and say something like, "Bob Dylan is nothing compared to the sheer musical genius of Olivia Newton John," but y'all see through such an apparent attempt.
Oh well, take care of your good selves!
[A parting thought: "My Ding-A-Ling" is the greatest song ever recorded, surpassing even "Disco Duck" and "The Streak" as a sublime expression of all that is true and worthwhile in America. ]
I have a high pitched girly girl voice so it's hard for me.
Just sayin'....
rock music has corrupted our youth.
Maybe I'm a dewy-eyed sentimentalist, but I'm not even sure I can go along with that.
All aesthetic movements are also social movements. Punk is inseparable from the "scene" which surrounds it.
You cannot petition the Lord with prayer, Simels.
You people might know the answer to this: where is the protest music today? Who's making any?
Kanye West?
Toby Petzold
Michael Franti comes to mind first in hiphop. I wonder what KRS1 is up to these days.
No sweat, Jack. Are you any good at lip-syncing along with Air Supply?
god, this conversation is all over...i was gonna say that from what i heard of this idiot...he strikes me as an idiot...and one that realizes there'a a makrket for his idiot-ness.
jdw
Biafra's re-done "California Uber Alles" with the Melvins, so that it's now about Schwarzenegger. He doesn't care whose toes he steps on!
He says something like "If you like the Bush Regime, you'll love Schwarzenegger," and then tries to stir up all this paranoia about how Arnold is gonna load us into concentration camps.
As if! I fuckin' hate Schwarzenegger, but no way he's a bigger threat than Bush. Biafra's always been a schmuck.
I'd like to know, Balzac. I know he's still active. And he hates Bush, so maybe he's cooking something up that's interestingly angry.
I would call Minor Threat elitists, sure. "Straight Edge"? Come on!
I don't think the Minutemen were. But I wasn't talking about the bands...I was talking about the scene itself. The whole "we are not part of society" thing...
I agree with the scene thing, but the whole "STraight Edge" thing was blown way, way out of proportion by the fans.
MacKaye was always accepting of everyone, but his fans didn't. Which is one reason hardcore flamed out so quickly; the spirit of rebellion turned into just another form of control (dress like this, cut your hair like this or you'll get beat up).
ou people might know the answer to this: where is the protest music today?
Who's making any?
Kanye West?
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:43 am | # Common and Mos Def are much better at it. Sage Francis did some, but his album was very, very uneven.
punk rock is a political, not a social movement.
It is the antitheses of the social.
Now wait just a minute...
Ringo was a damn good drummer.
And beacuse he was a Beatle,
he was one of the most influential
rock drummers ever.
The Beatles would not have
been the same without him.
And while we're at it,
Zappa Zappa Zappa Zappa
Zappa Zappa Zappa Zappa
Zappa Zappa Zappa Zappa
Zappa Zappa Zappa Zappa
Zappa Zappa Zappa Zappa
(Idol of my youth)
All aesthetic movements are also social movements. Punk is inseparable from the "scene" which surrounds it.
Thers
Advertising to the planet that George W. Bush is the best we can muster at this time, sort of takes the wind out of any kind of joyful noise.
There are plenty of protest songs on the internets. The difference between now and then is that radio stations won't play anything "controversial" now. Like Kayne West's other version of Gold Digger.
Well then the sky's the limit for a punk revival these days.
The thing in the Onion was great -- an "old school 1990s" punk guy complaining about how the new kids "just don't get it... I was in the 15th row for the Pistol's 'Filthy Lucre' tour, man!"
You cannot petition the Lord with prayer, Simels.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 02.19.06 - 1:47 am | #
Ooh, you really threw down.
I'm going to bed.
The idea of trying to engage with
the intellectual equivalent of
a garden slug has lost all appeal
for me.
Somebody else smack him down,
okay?
[A parting thought: "My Ding-A-Ling" is the greatest song ever recorded, surpassing even "Disco Duck" and "The Streak" as a sublime expression of all that is true and worthwhile in America. ]
Uncle Smokes
Can't argue with that. It is indeed better than Disco Duck, or even The Streak.
It is not, however, better than Double Mirror Wraparound Shades...
i'm enjoying this conversation.
The few skinhead types among them rather tainted them by association in my memory, but yes, they really were the exception rather than the rule.
rorschach
One of the funniest things I ever saw was a graffito that said "Hairheads Rule." Underneath it, some skinhead had spraypainted, "Fuck you Hairheads! Skinheads Will Crush You!" and added a bunch of swastikas. KInd of indicative, I think.
The kids just aren't making anything for me to remember these times by. That's a real let-down. Because I like having some music to associate with things and there's just nothing going on right now.
Or, is there?
I think the mainstream is so corporate it is hard for a musician to be truly uique, that's why 'indie' is getting so big (even though the term itself has been coopted)
KRS1 was the hiphopper with the most raw power I ever heard. But he can be quite crass and annoying sometimes.
I think the NSA is spying on me. By way of a major American university.
I think KRS is very well-spoken.
Ha, ha.
Toby,
do you realize that you are the Frank Burns of this website?
Even Col. Flagg and Hot Lips think you're a moron.
[A parting thought: "My Ding-A-Ling" is the greatest song ever recorded, surpassing even "Disco Duck" and "The Streak" as a sublime expression of all that is true and worthwhile in America. ]
Uncle Smokes
Can't argue with that. It is indeed better than Disco Duck, or even The Streak.
It is not, however, better than Double Mirror Wraparound Shades...
Doozer
Of course, "Itsy Bitsy, Teeny Weeny, Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" changed my life.
[Okay, now that tuly is my cue that bedtime is necessary. Good night!]
I solved the powerball algorhytmn when it was fewer numbers, like 42 total...
Played a page lengthwise three and a half columns and played the numbers in sequence on a week everyone was playing(over a hundred mill) and two numbers had been hit back to back weeks.
These numbers you could pass on as the averages were less. Of course in the given laws of chance all things given as equal are random. Still those two numbers tewaked the entire sequence.
Played those numbers over a series of alternating picks for the powerball, 5 of every ten with some overlapping PB picks.
120 bucks to run the number sequence through. I excluded only two other numbers. Seven for the lucky seven, and thirteemn for the freaks like me that consider the number good luck.
Seven and thirteen were side by side on the sequence and hit in the order. I was stuck with 3 of 5 and the powerball but had the number algorhytmn down.
Now they change it more, a supercomoputer plots it, capable of quite a number of calculation per second, so you have to simply play whent he odds that everyone will play the number combos.
Today should have been slow with the snow. next week it should hit, more traffic to play it. Then again anytime of 300 mill it will be played a lot.
They've added too many numbers to the set for mt old formulae to be played cheaply, and they change the sequence. usually three paired related numbers in a series, a number, another number from that, the third number being a total of the first two, and then two others off a different set, most like a n-plus or minus to deliberatly exclude picks in a sequence otherwise. The determinant is less random and more clyclic but I'd have to look at the number patterns for a year 's worth of picks to really feel what they're doing, going up or down off the sequence.
One of the funniest things I ever saw was a graffito that said "Hairheads Rule." Underneath it, some skinhead had spraypainted, "Fuck you Hairheads! Skinheads Will Crush You!" and added a bunch of swastikas. KInd of indicative, I think.
Phila
Hairheads! Hilarious.
And what you said earlier is so true: At least half of my mosh-pit/slam-pit experiences were screwed up by big muscle-bound guys who thought the point was to hurt people. 99% of the people are good, grabbing those who fall and helping them up and such. But one big asshole, and it's ugly.
Biafra's always been a schmuck.
Phila"
thanks, i don't feel so lonesome now
"And beacuse he was a Beatle,
he was one of the most influential
rock drummers ever."
dunno...a lot of drummers of the era played pretty simple, stylistically...there wasn't much more to do then tap on 2 & 4 and stay the hell outta the way...
but i think ringo was the perfect fit for the music, because even if he wanted to, ringo couldn't do anything else...it's like asking charlie watts to play jazz(he can't)
night moonbats...
As if! I fuckin' hate Schwarzenegger, but no way he's a bigger threat than Bush. Biafra's always been a schmuck.
Phila
The DKs left me cold--well, all Punk did--but his spoken word stuff can be entertaining, if you shut off you brain and lock your tinfoil hat in the closet...
The thing in the Onion was great -- an "old school 1990s" punk guy complaining about how the new kids "just don't get it... I was in the 15th row for the Pistol's 'Filthy Lucre' tour, man!"
Thers
That was hilarious. Hell, I started listening to underground junk circa 1980, and even then there were all kinds of people around to tell me that the "scene" was completely dead and that the only thing worth listening to anymore was ska. Ya gotta love that youth culture!
Nice reference, sconi. I hear that the Army's MASH units have signed off this past week.
No mas.
No more telegrams from Western Union, either.
It's all gone the way of flesh.
Ringo was great in Magic Christian. He played a bum adopted as an heir by an aristocrat played by Peter Sellers.
Agreed. It's probably wrong to call punk fascist, though a lot of punks are fascist. It's more just nihilist, in the sense of having no real point other than opposition for the sake of money-making opposition.
rorschach
didn't joe strummer have a lot to do with moving punk away from skinhead white power influences
Hairheads do rule.
I knew a guy who started a "vegancore" band; all the songs had titles like "Animal Holocaust" and were basically graphic depictions of what happens in slaughterhouses. I'm surprised they never really made it big.
I always liked "You Must Learn" and lots of other KRS tracks. He's blunt and has a lot of guts. I forgive his occassional ugliness because I feel like he leaves it all out there when he performs.
but i think ringo was the perfect fit for the music, because even if he wanted to, ringo couldn't do anything else...it's like asking charlie watts to play jazz(he can't)
I actually think he's really good. I never really paid attention to him in the past, but now when I hear a Beatles song I'm always kind of impressed with him.
I'm shrieking ---thinking--- mad cartoons.
They went to the gun club and used a howitzer to shoot pheasants.
But one big asshole, and it's ugly.
rorschach
Oh man, is that ever true. I've been in a couple of very uncomfortable situations where you look at your buddies as if to say "Should we just jump this asshole or what?" I would imagine that you dealt with some of that in your bartending days.
I have a friend who picks the same Powerball numbers every week and has since it began.
ok, folks. I'm going to go watch reruns of Entourage, now that I am done OCDing on the hits to my blog.
bueno
I knew a guy who started a "vegancore" band; all the songs had titles like "Animal Holocaust" and were basically graphic depictions of what happens in slaughterhouses. I'm surprised they never really made it big.
Thers
my dad had a job in a k.c. slaughterhouse when he went to school. his job was to shoot rats with a .22
didn't joe strummer have a lot to do with moving punk away from skinhead white power influences
earl safety pin
Yes, he did. Thank God for The Clash!
Hell, I started listening to underground junk circa 1980, and even then there were all kinds of people around to tell me that the "scene" was completely dead and that the only thing worth listening to anymore was ska.
Funny. That said, I do like ska.
ringo was a cool dude.
very chaplinesque soulful in 'a hard day's night'...couldn't have been the 'fab four' without him....
but now when I hear a Beatles song I'm always kind of impressed with him.
Didn't Paul do stuff like sneak into the studio and redo the drum parts himself? Forget what songs he did that on...
I knew a guy who started a "vegancore" band; all the songs had titles like "Animal Holocaust" and were basically graphic depictions of what happens in slaughterhouses. I'm surprised they never really made it big.
Thers
Oh, tell me about it. Those people are the worst.
You know what's really weird? There's this odd tendency for punks to turn into Hare Krsna fanatics, and then continue playing punk. Can't say how many times I've seen that happen...
Can't these Muslims at least branch out a little with what they're blaming their violence on? After all, we've just got lots of new pix from Abu Ghraib. What, I guess the classics are falling out of favor now, too, huh?
"I actually think he's really good. I never really paid attention to him in the past, but now when I hear a Beatles song I'm always kind of impressed with him.
Phila"
oh, he is really good. it's about knowing your role and abilities and limitations within the music..
ringo couldn't drum for zep, and bonham couldn't drum for the beatles...
I would imagine that you dealt with some of that in your bartending days.
Max Planck
That I most certainly did. My regulars who became friends still joke about how I'd get that "I'm about to launch over the bar at you" look in my eye when someone became too much of an asshole.
Didn't Paul do stuff like sneak into the studio and redo the drum parts himself? Forget what songs he did that on...
Thers
Don't tell Ringo. He's a cool chap.
Didn't Paul do stuff like sneak into the studio and redo the drum parts himself? Forget what songs he did that on...
Thers
saw paul at the grammys. sheesh paul, you're not 'cute' anymore, get over it....
you should pick the same numbers incog...
imagine a mao poster with everyone getting the same numbers to pick their card
everyone's a winner w/mao mart!
That anti wal-mart slogan is classic. It should be made into pop art.
Zappa rarely played to impress, usually he was making fun of some cheeseball guitarist.
She got mad at me when I asked her what if those numbers she picked never ever come up in the future.
You know what's really weird? There's this odd tendency for punks to turn into Hare Krsna fanatics, and then continue playing punk. Can't say how many times I've seen that happen...
Phila
maybe it's a 'hair & head care' thing...
Zappa rarely played to impress, usually he was making fun of some cheeseball guitarist.
politica
Oh, please. He wanked like Petzold at Abu Ghraib.
I'd like to hear an album by Tom Waits and Trent Reznor.
And what you said earlier is so true: At least half of my mosh-pit/slam-pit experiences were screwed up by big muscle-bound guys who thought the point was to hurt people. 99% of the people are good, grabbing those who fall and helping them up and such. But one big asshole, and it's ugly.
rorschach
When that happens, someone ought to step up to the big guy and cut him down to size. Throw some sand in his eyes and kick his ass. Then tell him not to whine, you're just keeping it real.
Zappa rarely played to impress, usually he was making fun of some cheeseball guitarist.
politica
or brown shoes
Prehaps Phila but he also gave the finger to every rich asshole in his audience for 5 minutes. That, in my book receives an A plus.
You know what's really weird? There's this odd tendency for punks to turn into Hare Krsna fanatics, and then continue playing punk.
Beats all to hell what Alice Cooper turned into...
You know what's really weird? There's this odd tendency for punks to turn into Hare Krsna fanatics, and then continue playing punk. Can't say how many times I've seen that happen...
Phila
I'm blanking on the name of a band that I used to like (maybe started with an "E"?) who were militant vegetarian leftists, and would invite members of the audience to come up on stage and debate them on their positions during concerts. Quite cool, and good music.
Toby,
I'm serious here. You are a fucking joke to the lurkers/commenters here. Where else do you post or lurk?
(besides that piece of shit you call a blog)
Zappa parodied page on his lead filled snowshoe solo...
nanook rubs it. Rrrrrrub it...
i saw some beatle cards on sale about 3-= or 4 years ago at a dollar store....i figured they were facsimiles associated with some anthology cd release....
by the time i realized i hadn't seen them anywhere else and went back they were gone...
probably the Pakistani owners cleaned out some old store's basement and thought 'whats this stuff?' 1.00 a pack....
imagine seeing those 'mint' cards at a collector's show...
They're saying a least one winning Powerball ticket is out there and it's in Nebraska.
Best Zappa Albums:
Zoot Alures
Sheik Yerbooti
Live at the Filmore
The Fowler Brothers were/are amazing.
Can't these Muslims at least branch out a little with what they're blaming their violence on? After all, we've just got lots of new pix from Abu Ghraib. What, I guess the classics are falling out of favor now, too, huh?
Toby Petzold
I'm sick of those damned cartoon riots. Muslims are so much like Christians it's not even funny. Fuck the prophet. Someone needs to do a piss-Mohammed art-peice.
Beats all to hell what Alice Cooper turned into...
Thers
Isn't he the token long haired sixty year old who shows up at corporate golf outings?
Hey honey, guess what? Alice Cooper was in my foursome today.
That's nice, dear. Now take out the garbage, please.
I'd like to hear an album by Tom Waits and Trent Reznor.
politica
the john hammond album doing tom waits is just fantasmo
They're gonna put me in the movies
They're gonna make a big star out of me
Gonna play a man who's sad and lonely
All I gotta do is act naturally.
the vigorous circular motion heretofore unseen...
I was thinking we should start a Liberal Lottery. The money would go to Liberal Causes and Campaigns.
The tickets would be virtual tickets assigned online so they won't be tossed in a landfill.
Whatd'ya think?
Thanks earl I'll check it out.
Best Tom Waits song: Big in Japan.
They're saying a least one winning Powerball ticket is out there and it's in Nebraska.
ΤΏΤ
if the winner's name is 'minnie' and she works at an insurance office in a city under 2,500 people and eats lunch at the restaurant with coconut cream pie for lunch
I'll consider making her an honest woman
but the winner would be atrios...
That Telegraph poll of UK muslims does worry me. That 40% support the idea of shariah laws in predominantly muslim areas, even if the poll is done by a right-wing newspaper, is very worrying.
I saw Jean Luc Ponty live and was glad that I did. He played with Zappa for a while. Electric violin maestro.
600!
Which is one reason hardcore flamed out so quickly; the spirit of rebellion turned into just another form of control (dress like this, cut your hair like this or you'll get beat up).
Agreed. And frankly, I always hated hardcore. So if I defend punk, it's on the basis of liking Wire, Flipper, X, the Fall, Rudimentary Peni...stuff that's a bit more loose and unclassifiable.
Zappa parodied page on his lead filled snowshoe solo...
Also took Stairway to Heaven for a ride on "The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life", and left it bleeding by the side of the road...
Whatd'ya think?
That it's illegal for anyone but the government to run a lottery?
sharia law (modified) was endorsed by feminist leftists here and argued against by feminist leftists here
ultimately the premier came down and said
no way
not even modified
no sharia for us
Alice Donut was as punk as I got.
Saw Vai in a small club, he was amazing. Some guy tall portly fellow burned a seven string Ibanez and stayed offstage half the gig to hear what he was playing, was every bit Vai's equal.
I'm blanking on the name of a band that I used to like (maybe started with an "E"?) who were militant vegetarian leftists, and would invite members of the audience to come up on stage and debate them on their positions during concerts. Quite cool, and good music.
rorschach
Doesn't ring a bell. Sounds entertaining, though!
Is it thers? I didn't realize that. Thanks.
But small groups can do raffles. What's the difference? Could we do a virtual raffle?
by 'feminist leftists' i mean former cabinet ministers in former ''' n.d.p. lite socialist'' provincial govt...
We're only in it for the money...
Best Tom Waits song: Big in Japan.
politica
Filipina Boxspring Hog!
Or maybe it's Diamonds on the Windshield. Hard to choose...
Echidne of the snakes,
Islam is a fucking scary religion, to put it bluntly. Let's be honest, they're like Christians but with a warrior king instead of Jesus in the starring role.
Jesus is really the only thing that softens Christianity. I think Islam is scary as hell, and made worse with rabid Christian and Jewish fundies poking them with a sharp stick every damned day.
Fuck the "Abrahamic religions". These religious are nothing more than a contagious mind-plague. Time for muscular secularism.
That's why Sam Harris is the man. Read his fucking book people!
Saw Tom Waits and Ricky Lee Jones in concert on the same bill at the Paramount in Seattle. They did Last Chance Texaco as a duet.
by 'feminist leftists' i mean former cabinet ministers in former ''' n.d.p. lite socialist'' provincial govt...
I am not aware of that, though I blogged about the Canadian discussion last year, I think. The British approach to integrating immigrants is not working, clearly. They should rethink what they are doing and soon.
I never saw Vai but wish that I did. Him and Jeff Beck would be a great show. I got to see King Crimson in NYC two summers ago though. Very good show.
all fundamentalist religion is scary.
nothing like a mob who never discovered the meaning of the word 'irony'
Nice Sgt. Pepper that sounds like a great show.
Islam is a fucking scary religion, to put it bluntly.
I'm scared of all fundamentalist religions, but, yes, I'm more scared of Islamic fundamentalism than Christian fundamentalism because my role in the former faith-based world would suffocate me to death in a few months whereas in the latter I might even work out some sort of suburban guerrilla role.
Filipina Boxspring Hog!
True, I catch myself singing that one at the neighbors from time to time.
Also took Stairway to Heaven for a ride on "The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life", and left it bleeding by the side of the road...
Doozer
I just cued that tune up on Musicmatch. Sounds very rasta. Maybe it was the inspiration for Dread Zeppelin.
I saw the beatles live, at the fillmore east.
And sorry to interrupt the music discussion. All I know about music is that I have Nina Simone on in the bedroom if you know what I mean.
I am not aware of that, though I blogged about the Canadian discussion last year, I think. The British approach to integrating immigrants is not working, clearly. They should rethink what they are doing and soon.
Echidne of the snakes
the task force that recommended FOR a modified culturally sensitive sharia was oh damn what's her name....I'll remember it tomorrow..
Vai's lead singer was a punk guitarist/singer , Devon... forget his last name, he climbed onto a cieling rafter off the the speaker cabinets and was hanging off it directly overhead of me. He was full of rage. I was expecting him to jump on top of me, even encouraging him to...
"but tell me are you ready for the 'Here and Now'?"
I saw the beatles live, at the fillmore east.
jack
More likely the Rutles.
anyone shot in the face today?
But small groups can do raffles. What's the difference? Could we do a virtual raffle?
I don't know the exact legal difference, though it's probably that charitable causes are OK for raffle purposes. I don't know if a political cause would qualify, but in this climate I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't except if it were for Tom Delay.
Come to think of it, it must be really freaking illegal, or Tom Delay would have done it and cheated at it already.
And sorry to interrupt the music discussion. All I know about music is that I have Nina Simone on in the bedroom if you know what I mean.
Echidne of the snakes
ladies and gentlemen: the growling nina simone
Guess I should do something productive. I haven't blogged about Cheney shooting his friend in the face in about 5 hours and it is high time I do.
Later guys.
Kick a televangelist in the balls for Jesus!
Meanwhile, it appears that I may well be interviewing for a faculty position teaching literature in Qatar... Strange, that.
I think it's probably impossible to pick a "best Tom Waits" song. But "Shore Leave" springs to mind immediately. As does "Time, Time, Time." And "Jockey Full of Bourbon."
I prefer the motown sound to punk.
all fundamentalist religion is scary.
That's the problem. The mystical side of all three religions is basically fine with me. Sigfried Kracauer would say it's the distinction between a belief that comes from a feeling of oneness with others, and a will to believe that tries to reinforce itself by walling itself off from others.
ladies and gentlemen: the growling nina simone
I want some sugar in my bowl...
Rorschach, is the class to be taught in English . . . .
shore leave!!!!
i bought me a long sleeved shirt with horses on the front!!!
waits is a world treasure, what little I've heard...
Put my vote in on Tom Waits' Til the Money Runs Out.
I prefer cabbage leaves to 5 car collisions.
Rorschach, is the class to be taught in English . . . .
DWD
It had better be!
Seriously, though, yes. It's English and American lit I'd be teaching.
And sorry to interrupt the music discussion. All I know about music is that I have Nina Simone on in the bedroom if you know what I mean.
Echidne of the snakes
I've got Telemann on, thereby ruining my punk cred forever.
I'm rambling...I'm gonna go drink some more, I think.
a will to believe that tries to reinforce itself by walling itself off from others.
which can only be changed by force, war, revolution.
Simels always finds the right time to get the topic on music...
The Brits have Tony Blair running their country. Also, the murder and cover-up of that Brazilian guy was pretty foul.
Brits are almost as fucking retarded as Americans. Actually not, but they're the nearest runner-up for being decadent, imperialist, cocky fuckwads.
Mean people SUCK!!!
the war in iraq is a war against state socialism.
Telemann is good, too. And I have a CD somewhere with this incredible blues guitarist whose name I can't remember. An old timer. It's tremendous in vibrations. We snakes go by vibrations in music.
tony blair is an evangelical christian
Telemann is good, too. And I have a CD somewhere with this incredible blues guitarist whose name I can't remember. An old timer.
Acoustic or electric?
evangelical christianity originated in renaissance humanism.
the war in iraq is a war against state socialism.
jack
are the 200,000 dead iraqui citizens 'state socialists?'
Rorschach,
Sounds like fun. I would like to teach a writing course sometime. Fifth grade is okay but I want my legacy sealed
(BTW, I asked for a hard copy to approve of for the final version of the book. Since her tendancy to insert cliches and shit willynilly has manifested itself: I am gonna be REALLY careful)
Rorschach,
Sounds like fun. I would like to teach a writing course sometime. Fifth grade is okay but I want my legacy sealed
(BTW, I asked for a hard copy to approve of for the final version of the book. Since her tendancy to insert cliches and shit willynilly has manifested itself: I am gonna be REALLY careful)
Found the CD: Mississippi Fred McDowell
are the 200,000 dead iraqui citizens 'state socialists?'
earl safety pin
Responding to jack is a bad idea. Just FYI.
evangelical christianity originated in renaissance humanism.
jack
you read francis schaeffer right?
Qatar
The importation of narcotics, alcohol, pornography, pork products and religious books and material is forbidden. DVDs and videos are subject to scrutiny and may be censored. In particular, the penalties for possession of or trade in drugs are severe, often resulting in prison sentences. It is a punishable offence to drink alcohol or be drunk in public. Offenders may incur a prison sentence or deportation. Alcohol is, however, available at licensed hotel restaurants and bars, and expatriates living in Qatar can obtain alcohol on a permit system. You should not carry alcohol with you, including in your car (except to take it on the day of collection from the warehouse to your home)....
Any intimacy in public between men and women (including teenagers) can lead to arrest.
Homosexual behaviour is illegal in Qatar.
We should all chip in and buy jack a book on basic conversational skills.
Found the CD: Mississippi Fred McDowell
Echidne of the snakes
Ok. Makes sense.
We should all chip in and buy jack a book on basic conversational skills.rofl.
Responding to jack is a bad idea. Just FYI.
Phila
i see i see said the blind man....
Offenders may incur a prison sentence or deportation.
If you are from Qatar, where do they send you, I wonder?
Anyway, Qatar sounds basically like it's Oklahoma.
the war in iraq is a war against state socialism.
jack
War is always for wealth and power-consolidation. The aggressor is always at war against the common interests of civil society.
It radicalized me against mega-corporations even more than I already was. Before I was as pissed as Zach De La Rocha, but now I'm even more pissed.
Thers--I've done a bit research, and Qatar is more liberal nowadays than most nations in the region. Huge expat community. Bars and nightclubs in Doha. Women can drive and vote, and wear what they want, and don't have problems walking alone.
Echidne, if you want snake-pleasing vibrations from acoustic guitar, see if you can find the CD of Joseph Spence's Folkways recordings.
I'd mail you a copy, but...
niters, great post by Thers.
CSpan is replayinmg mine safety hearing, many widows and workers putting their hearts on the lines about this topic, and republiclowns doing their usual apology for the business flacks.
phila is trying to impose sharia law on these boards.
true or false:
the albino moth ranging in size from 6-8 feet long has eaten virtually all of Quatar's public buildings in the last 3 years.
fortunately for Quatarians the moth is seemingly allergic to plastic sheeting and figleaf clothing
Echidne, if you want snake-pleasing vibrations from acoustic guitar, see if you can find the CD of Joseph Spence's Folkways recordings.
I'd mail you a copy, but...
I have a POB and all, but I will look for Joseph Spence.
Ror, I was basically checking out of general interest. I myself never applied for one of the MidEast jobs that you see advertised, but I always wondered...
If you are from Qatar, where do they send you, I wonder?
I don't think you want to know.
I have a POB and all, but I will look for Joseph Spence.
Echidne of the snakes
Hmm. I thought I remembered intending to send you some stuff, and you being coy about it...
Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. I was knocked out half the day with a cluster headache, and am curently tipsy.
The part of quatar that is online is called the E_quater
If you are from Qatar, where do they send you, I wonder?
I don't think you want to know.
Echidne of the snakes
Michigan: in February.
A Sudanese guy proposed to me when I was in graduate school. I had never spoken to him or anything but he argued that I had smiled at him and that meant that I was sorta engaged. A culture clash, to put it mildly. But he promised that I would be allowed to work teaching English to female students.
Ror, I was basically checking out of general interest. I myself never applied for one of the MidEast jobs that you see advertised, but I always wondered...
Thers
Yeah, this is one of those applications that I sent out with a "what the hell" kind of thing, easy to do when producing dozens of apps...
Never thought it'd come to anything, but they are flying me out for a campus visit (not to Qatar, but their American campus). So who knows what may happen...
The problem with the left in this country is they're not rough enough or tough enough.
Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. I was knocked out half the day with a cluster headache, and am curently tipsy.
It may have been before I got the POB number. It's handy for free books to be reviewed of which I have totally received the grand total of three.
So, Young DWD bought a bottle of 40 Below Vodka from New Zealand. He tells me it is special. I am NOT an expert.
A Sudanese guy proposed to me when I was in graduate school. I had never spoken to him or anything but he argued that I had smiled at him and that meant that I was sorta engaged. A culture clash, to put it mildly. But he promised that I would be allowed to work teaching English to female students.
Echidne of the snakes
my gf was casual friends with a moslem guy/traditional/ when she married her ex. the friend was scandalized and pained and enraged. he thought the casual friendship had indicated a form of engagement also.
It may have been before I got the POB number. It's handy for free books to be reviewed of which I have totally received the grand total of three.
Echidne of the snakes
Maybe so. I was planning to send you some ginger chocolates, if memory serves....
hmm a war against state socialism. well i guess you cant claim anymore that it was motivated by national security, so as long as youre grabbing for a reason...
'But he promised that I would be allowed to work teaching English to female students.'
Did he say if you'd get to keep your passport?
Echidne, would you please review my book next month?
But he promised that I would be allowed to work teaching English to female students.
Echidne of the snakes
Did he offer you "GBDs" for spontaneous anal sex?
Never thought it'd come to anything, but they are flying me out for a campus visit (not to Qatar, but their American campus). So who knows what may happen...
rorschach
I have a friend in the Navy who teaches and also takes classes there.
Did he say if you'd get to keep your passport?
We didn't get that far. I had to be very open about refusing the proposal and then he started doing nasty stuff.
have a nice night.
the sandman just hit me over the head with one of those bags burglers carried in old cartoons.
Sounds like it'll at least be a memorable interview, Ror...
nite
Echidne, would you please review my book next month?
Sure. Send me an e-mail and then I can give you my address. Also for ginger chocolates, ahem, ahem.
Owls veiled in sheets, by the way.
The problem with the left in this country is they're not rough enough or tough enough.
jack
I don't want them to be tougher, just balanced. Stop appeasing Christians and Muslims. Also, tell the Maoist faction to fuck off. They just stink up the anti-war protest scene.
Echidne, you did see the contract of wifely obligations, didn't you?
Arab men eventually tire of Western women. Then they always dump them and take the kids away to live in their native countries.
I did, Phila, I sure did. For some reason I don't feel any urge to blog about it. It's so perverted.
I did, Phila, I sure did. For some reason I don't feel any urge to blog about it. It's so perverted.
Echidne of the snakes
Me neither. Too goddamn depressing.
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