I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
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One again?
Thoid?
Bloggaire, she is having ze difficulties...
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There goes that Mt. Rushmore trip!
CAL THOMAS is bitching about the UAE port thing???
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
n...0,2383510.story
Damn SD. Even my Bush-loving sister-in-law is pissed about this.
That hot dog winger in the SD Legislature was hard to look at!
CAL THOMAS is bitching about the UAE port thing???
You mean to tell me he's not being a hypocrite for once?
Wow.
Bloggaire, she is f*cked!
Am going to Utah Tuesday to snowshoe. First time there. If Roe overturned, definitely my last.
HeloScan's been at this all week......
Every Repuke should be asked, point- blank, if he or she would support the death penalty for doctors and mothers who participate in abortions. And, if not, why not?
Great post, Atrios.
Did you get a load of the Repuke Rep behind this bullshit?
Roger Hunt.
Typical fat ugly Repugnican fundie asshole.
I don't think it was a downy woodpecker, but Curly damn near got a free meal, anyway.
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Start a religion; make abortion a 'sacred rite'; get official standing; build lots of 'churches'.
OT: Army Charges 7 in Sex-For-Money Web Site
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - The Army has charged seven paratroopers from the celebrated 82nd Airborne Division with engaging in sex acts in video shown on a Web site, authorities said Friday.
Three of the soldiers face courts-martial on charges of sodomy, pandering and engaging in sex acts for money, according to a statement released by the military.
Four other soldiers received what the military calls nonjudicial punishments.
The Army has recommended that all be discharged.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Some Florida cities would like to throw a dog a bone _ or maybe a burger and some fries. Dogs would be able to sit with humans at outdoor restaurant tables in some communities under a measure advancing in the Florida Legislature.
The bill, approved by a House committee Wednesday, would create a three-year test program to allow cities to grant restaurants that want to host dogs special permission to do so under certain conditions.
Rep. Sheri McInvale, an Orlando Republican, filed the bill after some restaurant owners complained because they were threatened with fines for allowing doggy dining. The city supports the proposal.
"We are getting a renaissance downtown," said Kathy Russell, Orlando's director of government relations. "We've got designer restaurants and designer dogs, and (people) would like to have a designer cup of coffee with their designer dog."
Dogs would only be allowed to dine at outside tables under the plan. No restaurant would be required to let the dogs in, and cities would not be required to offer the variance from the law that normally bars canines. The dogs also would have to be on leashes.
But some say giving Fido a seat at the table raises serious questions. The issue of dog bites may be a concern for individual restaurant owners, McInvale said. The bill would require restaurants to have $1 million worth of liability insurance to be eligible to be exempted from the law.
"Everybody's not a dog person, and some people are afraid of dogs," said Rep. Terry Fields, a Democrat.
Tiffany Hickem, who shuttles her 9-month-old shelty Delaney between her home in Delray Beach and Gainesville where Hickem is a student at the University of Florida, would love to take the puppy to restaurants.
It would mean fewer hours Delaney would have to hang out at home all alone.
"Anytime I can take her out and do something with her, even if it's while I'm doing something, it gives her a chance get a little more socialized," Hickem said.
The Florida Restaurant and Lodging Association is against the bill because different restaurants will have to follow different laws depending on what city they're in. The restaurant lobby probably won't howl too loudly about the proposal, though.
"Our membership is somewhat split on this," said the FRLA's general counsel, Richard Turner, who, for the record, has a puppy at home.
The bill has one more committee stop to make before it can go to the full House for a vote. A similar measure is awaiting Senate committee hearings. Some lawmakers still have questions _ albeit humorous ones.
"Does it mean if we pass this bill, it would eliminate doggy bags?" asked Rep. Julio Robaina, R-Miami.
What about that gruesome organ-selling scam?
I'd rather sit with a dog at the dinner table than a Repuke anyday!
South Dakota has always been tainted by Mount Rushmore, which is a vile desecration of sacred Lakota land.
This is all just crazy. There is enough heartache involved in a abnormal pregnancy without adding accusations and suspicion.
These people are evil. We're often disgusted because they have no empathy for people of other colors and religions.
They don't even have any for their own kind.
Start a religion; make abortion a 'sacred rite'; get official standing; build lots of 'churches'.
Palooka
I like it!
I like the idea--- not really an actual boycott but a TOURISM boycott. But everyone knows that nowadays tourism is one of the top economic factors in any areas economic well-being.
How about a bumpersticker that reads:
I"M PRO-CHOICE AND I NEVER PLAN TO VISIT SOUTH DAKOTA.
Something like this will get the local businessmen's attention right away.
And once the abortion nuts ha've seen that one state can't get away with this crap, it'll make other states way less likely to try the same thing.
Go to the SD Chamber of Commerce's website, make a list of its members, and tell them that you're cutting SD products out of your life -- including Gateway computers (which are made in SD) -- if they don't get Rounds to veto this thing.
On another note:
Friday (Big!) Cat Blogging (ohhhh, Watertiger!)
I read somewhere this morning that the proponents of the bill believe that including an exception to save the life of the mother is a gigantic loophole, and they want to plug it.
Plug this assholes. {extends middle finger}
True story, in fifth grade, 1961, I sat next to a more developed kid. She got pregnant, and of course was immediately expelled. Eleven fucking years old. After she had her second kid, the authorities figured out her father was raping her. And this is what we will be returning to. Motherfuckers.
Vicki - wanna come to Lansing on the 3rd?
Seth and Daisy are playing for $13 here in town.
"Does it mean if we pass this bill, it would eliminate doggy bags?"
Maybe, but not doggy-doo.
That's cool Atrios, you boycott travel, I'll work on the economic boycott.
Time to give SD back to the indians.
Also, to make sure the laws of the United States are enforced shouldn't the President send in the DOJ and put a stop to this.
Plug this assholes.
I imagine they're against buttplugs too.
I do want to punish them economically. They love the magic invisible hand of the market, right? Well I'm not in the market for anything produced by a state that considers me a slave. We aren't all going to be able to move to California. What will you do when Pennsylvania does the same thing SD has done?
Huh? Why are dogs outside on a patio, with their owners, supposed to be bad?
John Thune = proof that SHIT can indeed be stacked THAT high!
My mom, who was pretty religious and never like the concept of abortion, nevertheless knew what is what like for her high school and college classmates when it was illegal. And one of our retired docs is very worried, he said that the overturn of Roe would be one of the worst things to happen, simply in terms of women's health. My winger boss seems to think that if people stop having sex out of wedlock abortion will go away. Sigh.
I just have no desire to travel to a state which declares women to be 2nd class citizens and parts of their bodies to be state property
Let me tell ya, SD is probably the most depressing place I've ever been in all my life.
I drove through on a road trip a couple of years ago - nothing but road signs hawking for hundreds of miles something no one would want to see.
"World's biggest corncob! 50 miles!" World's biggest corncob, 5 miles!" "You just missed the world's biggest corncob! Turn back quick!"
Rapid City was just weird.
The only thing worth seeing was Badlands. And Jewel Cave, which when I visited was being depressingly starved of funding.
Combined with the completely dismal politics, which also includes disenfranchisement of Native Americans who are basically living in a third world county, SD is just a hell hole on earth.
I imagine they're against buttplugs too -
Not buttplugs!!!!!!
Right on.
They are putting American citizens at risk.
"Yes, Alex, the Mardi Gras lasts for several weeks."
Duh, Lent.
I visted SD on the way to Yellowstone back in the early 80's.
I guess it's still pretty much the same, then.
Hey,
South Dakota has some absolutely gorgeous National Parks.
I revere the Badlands, for example. There is some heavy spirituality haunting that place, and it is breathtaking.
Lawmakers were told during the debate that an anonymous donor pledged $1 million to defend the ban, and the Legislature was setting up a special account to accept donations.
SD Gov. Rounds "We've had people stopping in our office trying to drop off checks to promote the defense of this legislation already".
Motherfuckers. Well, not exactly...
True story, in fifth grade, 1961, I sat next to a more developed kid. She got pregnant, and of course was immediately expelled. Eleven fucking years old. After she had her second kid, the authorities figured out her father was raping her. And this is what we will be returning to. Motherfuckers.
ql in ny
I love the one jerkoff troll on the thread yesterday.
It was all on the women.
I asked "Do rape victims and children who are victims of incest have time to use protection or choose not to have sex?"
The fucking moron's answer was that "states make exceptions for rape and incest."
Then he had the frigging nerve to say women used multiple abortions as birth control.
I called him some choice names and got the fuck off that thread before I threatened to do him bodily harm.
Presumably this law will fall and the SC won't hear the case so all this will be moot.
Yo, Atrios?
to what will the law fall, unless to the SC?
1) lege passes bill
2) gov signs law
3) lawsuits follow...
3a) district ct
3b) appellate court
3c) SC
how can it possibly AVOID the SC? especially since it was apparently intentionally crafted to get to the SC?
como?
"South Dakota has always been tainted by Mount Rushmore, which is a vile desecration of sacred Lakota land."
rorschach:
Shows how brainwashed we are -- I've never looked at it from that perspective! Thank you for nudging my brain into seeing another point of view.
what on earth gives them the right to claim they have the 'culture of life'?
they must really really really hate women.
if people stop having sex out of wedlock
Which has never happened, in the entire history of the world. It's like saying if people would stop breathing air pollution won't be a problem.
scuse me while I boogy to Intergalactic Planetary.
Beatsie Boys dun ya let the beat mmmmmmdrop!
Mission Accomplished.
Iraq government warns of risk of "endless civil war"
Reuters - 1 hour, 1 minute ago
BAGHDAD - Iraq's defense minister warned on Saturday of the risk of a "civil war" that "will never end" as sectarian violence flared again despite a second day of curfew in Baghdad. Extending a traffic ban in the capital to Monday after battles around Sunni mosques and a car bomb in a holy Shi'ite city, leaders scrambled to break a round of reprisals sparked by a suspected al Qaeda bombing of a Shi'ite shrine on Wednesday..
Education the key to cutting abortion rate
Prime Minister John Howard has said that Australia's abortion rate is too high. Amen to that. But we do not know precisely how many abortions are performed in Australia, with guesstimates suggesting there are around 100,000 a year.
It's high time every state followed the example of South Australia, and published reliable annual abortion statistics. Until we know the magnitude of the problem, we can't begin to address it, and evaluate the success of any remedial measures.
Of particular concern is the number of abortions performed on teenagers.
So, South Dakata with a population of 754,844 ; 46th in the nation, is going to dictate what happens to the rest of the country.
Vicki - wanna come to Lansing on the 3rd?
Seth and Daisy are playing for $13 here in town.
Barndog, Troll Destroyer
I'd love to, but I'll be in Florida on a business trip.
Hoping this is the last trip with this job. I won't go into it, but I'm being undermined. I'm laying the groundwork to get the hell out. I need to for my sanity. I'm sick of working for this hayseed of a boss I have.
A number of folks here have been wonderful in providing links with regard to future opportunities.
A free Ironic Breeze Quadra? How??????
My winger boss seems to think that if people stop having sex out of wedlock abortion will go away. Sigh.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I'll bet HE doesn't get much sex IN wedlock.
I do want to punish them economically. They love the magic invisible hand of the market, right? Well I'm not in the market for anything produced by a state that considers me a slave.
SD is really trying to market grass-fed beef, the same way Nebraska is known for its corn-fed beef. I know the state and federal government are dumping a lot of funding into it.
So, write to the state's economic development arm and tell them you won't be buying their grass-fed beef when it's obvious SD values their cattle more than women.
Shows how brainwashed we are -- I've never looked at it from that perspective! Thank you for nudging my brain into seeing another point of view.
Sandy-LA 90034
Wow! Glad to help... my wife is a Native American literature scholar, so I'm exposed to other perspectives more than most, I reckon.
how can it possibly AVOID the SC? especially since it was apparently intentionally crafted to get to the SC?
como?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka | 02.25.06 - 11:46 am | #
For a guitar you are very observant.
Start a religion; make abortion a 'sacred rite'; get official standing; build lots of 'churches'.
Palooka
arm churches to resist attacks, repel invaders, resist fires...
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So, South Dakata with a population of 754,844 ; 46th in the nation, is going to dictate what happens to the rest of the country.
ql in ny
Wonder what THEIR test scores are.
WALL DRUG
Start a religion; make abortion a 'sacred rite'; get official standing; build lots of 'churches'.
Palooka
arm churches to resist attacks, repel invaders, resist fires...
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
That goes without saying.
AIM had the right idea in re: Mt Rushmore and dynamite.
Oh. I just emailed you anyways.
I thought you were in the Atrios stupor...
the fundies want to ban abortion yet they don't want to do anything to stop girls getting pregnant in the first place.
they attack contraception, they hate any talk of sex and they rail on about female education.
it really doesn't make sense.
they want women to be ignorant, barefoot and permantly pregnant.
bastards
WE need to get the fuggers out of the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
I am so tired of this argument. I just really, really hope it jolts the rest of the country into paying a little more attention as to what these fuckers are up to.
Education the key to cutting abortion rate
Education is a dirty word here in Murka.
FDL links to a SD blog that frames this legislation nicely, it's a rapist bill or rights:
"Mike Rounds, Governor of SD, is pondering and thinking about the Rapist Rights Bill the SD Legislature just passed. The wingnut loons answered prayers are putting Mikey in a bind. Does he eat everything they shovel his way or not?
Well, He just has to find out if God raped the Virgin Mary. That will provide the theological basis for SD supporting Rapist Rights and treating women as nearly worthless chattle, good only as reproduction machines betting on hitting the Jesus bonus on the reproductive powerball lottery. Speaking of lotteries, how about that Million dollar bribe the anti-women's righters are promising to pony up to fight for their lunatic legislation? Ok, Mike, I wanta buy a vowel and a subsection of a new law. Umm . talk to the lawyers, they are looking for another lawyer's subsidy law. Hey, guess what? Wild Bill Janklow is back in the legal saddle. Whooopppeeee!"
My winger boss seems to think that if people stop having sex out of wedlock abortion will go away. Sigh.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Crazy Wingers.
"Education the key to cutting abortion rate"
Geezus, if they could only worry about algebra instead of what's going on in girls drawers, etc!
Hecate,
You know what bugs me? These virginity pledges that kids across the county are being asked to take.
I was speaking about this with a woman at work yesterday. She told me her son had pledged to remain a virgin until he was married. I said to her, "Do you really think that's a good idea? Think about it. Do you really want him to have such a limited sexual experience, and if so, why? What are you afraid of? If you teach him how to be responsible about sex, he won't catch any diseases. Think about that."
Isn't SD one of those prairie States that is losing population?
My son the other day, after requesting something (a ride, money) or telling me bad news about school, said, "I'm glad you volunteered to be a parent." I really want a world where every child has the deep feeling that his or her parents volunteered for the job. I really want a world where children know they are a joy and not an imposition. I want them to know that they are inspirations and not obstacles.
Birth control and the availability of abortion are a part of that vision.
the fundies want to ban abortion yet they don't want to do anything to stop girls getting pregnant in the first place.
they attack contraception, they hate any talk of sex and they rail on about female education.
Oh, and it's ALL on the WOMEN.
As if we can get OURSELVES pregnant.
Fundies want to cut off any option to women.
it isn't even about 'life', its about sheer control over women's bodies, how they dress, how they speak and so on.
god i really want to bash their heads in.
I do want to punish them economically. They love the magic invisible hand of the market, right? Well I'm not in the market for anything produced by a state that considers me a slave. We aren't all going to be able to move to California. What will you do when Pennsylvania does the same thing SD has done?
Hecate Malificent
I agree. Just as a start, Iams pet food, Gateway and Citibank are all headquartered in SD. The kossacks I think are all over this.
What I can't figure out is why they are choosing such a draconian start to their campaign to outlaw abortion. What I mean is, by eliminating exceptions even in case of rape or incest, they are really bucking the moderates. I guess if something this harsh is upheld by the Supremes, then we truly know where we stand.
Terry stop getting pregnant with my kids wouldja?
These virginity pledges that kids across the county are being asked to take.
Makes frigid women and men who are selfish in bed.
"Do you really think that's a good idea? Think about it. Do you really want him to have such a limited sexual experience, and if so, why? What are you afraid of? If you teach him how to be responsible about sex, he won't catch any diseases. Think about that."
I feel sorry for the woman he marries. Without any experience at all, oh lord...
I've had inexperienced lovers and experienced lovers and experience is preferable.
South Dakaota is a hemorrhoid and has been. They treat their woman like shit and they treat their indian population like vanquished enemies of the state. Talk about good ol' boy politicin' lemme tell yah, it aint no democracy that's for sure. to boycott them only means misery to the already mistreated. But the government grant and pork barrel crowd do very well there as they steal the teeth from the dead and dying.
god i really want to bash their heads in.
Moonbootica, Praetor
Me, too!
i'd like to bash their heads in and give them a good kicking!
pieces of shit women hating fundie fuckers.
The Silver Ring Thing - or virgininty pledge issue you refer too... was stopped by a court this week.
That is until it can prove the money it gets from the government is utilized in a proper manner. I recall seeing a piece on 60 Minutes about this very issue some time back I believe.
A LTE in the Strib this morning:
South Dakota is a death penalty state. It ranks 31st in infant mortality and 34th in child poverty. It will soon pass a law prohibiting termination of a pregnancy even in cases of rape and incest.
The sponsor of this bill, state Sen. Julie Bartling, said she felt South Dakota "has always been, what I call, a prolife state."
She is wrong. At best, South Dakota is a pro-fetus state.
SUSAN BARRETT, SOUTH ST. PAUL
These virginity pledges that kids across the county are being asked to take.
I saw a report on that and everyone of the kids who took the pledge admitted that they had had premarital sex at a "weak" moment. And the guy that was heading the program was the scariest bit of DNA I have ever seen.
I feel sorry for the woman he marries. Without any experience at all, oh lord...
I've had inexperienced lovers and experienced lovers and experience is preferable.
Tena
Well, if he marries a woman like him, she won't know the difference.
I've had inexperienced lovers and experienced lovers and experience is preferable.
Tena
You bet your sweet bippie! And experienced lovers are much more comfortable in bed. Any man who wants 72 vestal virgins is fucking nuts. They'll lay there like they're half dead, most of 'em, not knowing what real pleasure is like.
I've had many lovers. I've only had two who have been capable of taking it to a tantric level.
The sponsor of this bill, state Sen. Julie Bartling, said she felt South Dakota "has always been, what I call, a prolife state."
She is wrong. At best, South Dakota is a pro-fetus state.
Pro-idiot state.
And I would like to slap the shit out of Ms. Bartling.
I don't want to be sitting in a hospital room in South Dakota trying to figure out if we can get a helicopter flight to another state without John Thune finding out.
Or Tom DeLay, for that matter.
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I wonder if my gay co-worker who claims to be repuke solely because of abortion will now become a Dem and fight for gay marriage?
Pro-lifers in plea to Amnesty
Placard waving anti-abortion protesters have picketed an Amnesty International meeting at Queen's University in Belfast.
Pro-life pressure group Precious Life called on the human rights organisation to start actively campaigning on behalf of the unborn child.
(snip)
Director Patrick Corrigan said the organisation promotes the full range of human rights as defined and developed internationally.
"Sexual and reproductive rights are important and indivisible from other human rights," he said.
"As part of our global campaign to stop violence against women, we've seen the impact not just on women but also on whole communities when women are not able to make and exercise choices about reproduction.
"This, coupled with the numbers of mothers who die in childbirth and babies who die early, rates of sexually transmitted disease and the impact of HIV/AIDs, tells us how central rights covering sexual and reproductive health are to people's lives.
Any man who wants 72 vestal virgins is fucking nuts. They'll lay there like they're half dead, most of 'em, not knowing what real pleasure is like.
or they'll hate it because "good" women "aren't supposed to" enjoy it.
sheesh atrios, don't you see the beauty of this bill's thinking?
Say you see a beautiful woman and you want to her to have your children, but you don't want to pay for them or anything like that, and heck, she wouldn't be caught dead with you anyhow....
Well, under this law, you can just rape her, make her pregnant and there you go, you have a family and you don't even have to pay for it, or nothing...
sweet...
AIM had the right idea in re: Mt Rushmore and dynamite.
JR - 11:50 am
i cannot see it (been there a couple of times), or even a photo, anymore, without thinking of :
Ozmandias (PB SHelley)
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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I've had inexperienced lovers and experienced lovers and experience is preferable.
Tena
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I've had many lovers. I've only had two who have been capable of taking it to a tantric level.
Vicki
A stronger argument for the Double Standard was never spoken.
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lol 2 fundies havin sex for the first time...
"Put out that candle it feels like I'm at Church."
"Oh shit, I didn't know it felt this good!"
"No that's the wrong spot."
"Oh damn. I guess I am goign to hell."
sheesh atrios, don't you see the beauty of this bill's thinking?
Say you see a beautiful woman and you want to her to have your children, but you don't want to pay for them or anything like that, and heck, she wouldn't be caught dead with you anyhow....
Well, under this law, you can just rape her, make her pregnant and there you go, you have a family and you don't even have to pay for it, or nothing...
sweet...
b
I'm not so sure that's NOT the way a lot of them think.
South Dakaota is a hemorrhoid and has been. They treat their woman like shit and they treat their indian population like vanquished enemies of the state. Talk about good ol' boy politicin' lemme tell yah, it aint no democracy that's for sure.
This is true. I actually overheard a conversation between two South Dakotans once when I was skiing in Utah. They were talking about the Native Americans they lived around and it was uuuuuuugly.
I was shocked, - I thought that shit went out with Wounded Knee. But it didn't. It's still "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" in some parts of this country.
I thought that SD passed this law on purpose to make the SCOTUS rule on abortion. It's going to be interesting.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a society that educated children and adults for that matter about sex, encouraged it, offered medical care for sexual health and contraception.
Maybe I am just oversexed. heh heh heh!
Remember Gay Marriage = Abortion Free Marriage.
I don't want to be sitting in a hospital room in South Dakota trying to figure out if we can get a helicopter flight to another state without John Thune finding out.
Or Tom DeLay, for that matter.
Or Rita Cosby.
South Dakota....where's that?
I can't even envision what it would be like to suffer through life that emotionally closed off.
What a worthless existence.
A stronger argument for the Double Standard was never spoken.
Hey, what are you getting at, GMT? I've tried to teach them, but some men are just not comfortable in bed, or with doing things that are different or unique.
AIM had the right idea in re: Mt Rushmore and dynamite.
JR - 11:50 am
It's ugly.
What a shame that I won't be able to gaze on the magestic Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD until this is over.
I wonder if my gay co-worker who claims to be repuke solely because of abortion will now become a Dem and fight for gay marriage?
ql in ny
That is so. fucked. up.
I drove thru SD during a cross country move a few years back. It was March so all the touristy things were closed. We stopped at Wall Drug for lunch and a walk around. It really is a drug store with a lot of touristy things attached to it. I wonder if the pharmacy stocks Plan B.
So anyhow, I'm blogwhoring too.
"has always been, what I call, a prolife state."
there are still a few lakota who might take exception to that horribly self-satisfied smirk...not many, but a few...
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a society that educated children and adults for that matter about sex, encouraged it, offered medical care for sexual health and contraception.
Maybe I am just oversexed. heh heh heh!
Luke
They only do that filthy stuff in them thar furrin countries.
That is so. fucked. up.
Well said.
A stronger argument for the Double Standard was never spoken.
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Grand Moff Texan
Wait, I'm not sure I get that - I must be slow.
You were being sarcastic, no?
I revere the Badlands, for example. There is some heavy spirituality haunting that place, and it is breathtaking.
The Painted Desert/Petrified Forest in AZ. Significantly older (geologically) and way more interesting visually, (and spiritually) than the SD Badlands.
just sayin'
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I wonder if my gay co-worker who claims to be repuke solely because of abortion will now become a Dem and fight for gay marriage?
ql in ny
I've said it before many times and I will say it again:
How can any woman, gay person, minority, or non-millionaire be a REPUKE?
How fucked up is SD?
They've been trying to pimp themselves as a low-tax business haven, but aside from Gateway and Citibank very few businesses have moved to the state.
Meanwhile, next-door neighbor Minnesota, who even with a current Republican governor and House intent on pillaging a state infrastructure that was carefully and caringly built up by decades of Democratic efforts, still has schools, infrastructure and all-around quality of life that just kicks South Dakota's Indian-hating ass.
A LTE in the Strib this morning:
South Dakota is a death penalty state. It ranks 31st in infant mortality and 34th in child poverty. It will soon pass a law prohibiting termination of a pregnancy even in cases of rape and incest.
The sponsor of this bill, state Sen. Julie Bartling, said she felt South Dakota "has always been, what I call, a prolife state."
She is wrong. At best, South Dakota is a pro-fetus state.
pro-life and pro-fetus have absolutely nothing to do with it ... these people want to rape indingent teen females and then make them have the children to supply the next round of young blood. there's more runaway pregnant girls than any other state as far as I can tell.
A LTE in the Strib this morning:
South Dakota is a death penalty state. It ranks 31st in infant mortality and 34th in child poverty. It will soon pass a law prohibiting termination of a pregnancy even in cases of rape and incest.
The sponsor of this bill, state Sen. Julie Bartling, said she felt South Dakota "has always been, what I call, a prolife state."
She is wrong. At best, South Dakota is a pro-fetus state.
pro-life and pro-fetus have absolutely nothing to do with it ... these people want to rape indingent teen females and then make them have the children to supply the next round of young blood. there's more runaway pregnant girls than any other state as far as I can tell.
I was shocked, - I thought that shit went out with Wounded Knee. But it didn't. It's still "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" in some parts of this country.
I thought that SD passed this law on purpose to make the SCOTUS rule on abortion. It's going to be interesting.
Tena
Tena,
I'm not suprised in the least. This whole area still reeks of that shit.
There was this huge dust-up in Wisconsin in the 80's over Natives being able to spearfish. The resort owners and various other "sportsmen" would throw around slurs like you wouldn't believe. Over fishing, of all things!
The Double Standard sucks.
British society can be pretty giggly when it comes to sex, its the whole hangover from the Victorian/Edwardian era.
So we can boycott Gateway and Citibank.
My husband made a comment the other day which caught me somewhat by surprise - mostly because he is not one who just throws out comments for the hell of it, and because he is definitely someone who does not see the world or rights and freedoms in male/female, black/white, good/evil, etc.. terms.
He said, "Only women should have the right to argue or vote regarding the Abortion issues, since in the end it is their body and lifeblood. Men should have no say or vote on the issue"
I thought the comment was incredibly insensitive to his gender, but when I listen to and witness enough of these conservative crackerheads creating policy and then laws to effect their delusions, I think perhaps, he has a point.
Well, if he marries a woman like him, she won't know the difference.
Terry C,
Well it's still sad. The woman could very well spend her life wondering what the hell all the fuss over sex is about, since she's apt to never enjoy it if he doesn't have the first clue about it himself.
British society can be pretty giggly when it comes to sex, its the whole hangover from the Victorian/Edwardian era.
Moonbootica, Praetor | Homepage | 02.25.06 - 12:01 pm | #
I thought it was because most of the mem preferred the company of other men.
OT: New attacks target Saudi sites- Statement
Bombers allegedly belonging to Al Qaeda network threatened to attack more Saudi oil facilities, according to the group statement posted Saturday on a website where they also admitted responsibility for the foiled attacks on the Abiqaiq plant in eastern Saudi Arabia, The Associated Press reported.
Driving cars packed with explosives, two attackers tried yesterday to blow up Saudi Abiqaiq, the world's largest oil-processing plant. But Saudi authorities managed to foil the attack. However, oil rose yesterday by more than $2 a barrel, which, according to analysts, indicates the massive effect a successful strike would have on the kingdom's oil supplies.
The Painted Desert/Petrified Forest in AZ. Significantly older (geologically) and way more interesting visually, (and spiritually) than the SD Badlands.
just sayin'
I've been there, too, and I agree. Doesn't diminish what I feel for the Badlands, though. I love them. Disclaimer: I'm a National Parks freak.
men*
The original Pandagon post sez:I agree with Roxanneboycotting South Dakota is a bad idea. Frankly, I dont see it having any real effect, especially since the abortion ban itself is going to create social problems that will overshadow any economic problems that we could deal out to South Dakota. But I think mostly its that Im one of the women living in a state thats going to ban abortion as soon as its possible, and I dont see any benefit to punishing the population thats already the scapegoat of the rightordinary working women who have to work and live in a country where our very right to decide if and when we make babies is the biggest rope in the cultural tug-of-war.
See, I think this is shortsighted. If this bill is upheld, we need to be focused on getting women out of this state, period. Progressives should fund a program to help women who wish to get out relocate. And yes, we should be economically punishing the state for its decision. As Hecate said above, the market is the only thing these assholes understand.
politica heh
Phoenix Woman, didn't someone say here yesterday that the bulk of Gateway's infrastructure had moved to CA? Maybe just some tech support left in SD or something?
Well, and Native's being able to exercise what little rights they still have/had.
After spending a year reading blogs left and right, I feel justified in my continuing dislike of the right, and I know for a fact why the left keeps getting its ass kicked.
Chris Dillow: Managerialism and the Police State
I know for a fact why the left keeps getting its ass kicked.
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Kinda pompous, ain't ya? If you know for a fact, why don't you tell us?
These virginity pledges that kids across the county are being asked to take.
Makes frigid women and men who are selfish in bed.
Terry C, Coldplaye
And creates ignorant teens who have sex anyway without information that can help them avoid pregnancy and worse.
When I was a teen, I went to a Planned Parenthood with a girl in my class who wanted to go on the Pill - by that point, she had already been having sex with her boyfriend without using any protection.
Anyhow, she was scared and wanted someone to go with her (not her boyfriend, I guess).
We had a great educator, and for me, nothing made me want to have sex less than seeing all the birth control and learning how it all worked. I was like, damn, this sex stuff is really fucking complicated. You really have to do all that? Thanks, but I'll be waiting a while...
I think perhaps, he has a point.
I don't think he has a point - I think it is the point.
I revere the Badlands, for example. There is some heavy spirituality haunting that place, and it is breathtaking.
Also bootiful in AZ: Canyon de Chelly, pueblos, cinder cones.
And another thing. If SD is made to suffer politically, socially AND economically, other states will have second thoughts about taking this step. Or am I being naive?
Kinda pompous, ain't ya? If you know for a fact, why don't you tell us?
*sigh*
I was hoping everyone would ignore it.
"So we can boycott Gateway and Citibank."
Boycotting Citibank is a great idea anywhere.
Grand Moff Texan,
Please explain your comment about Double Standards. Neither Tena nor I understand where you're coming from.
I explained myself upthread, just to make sure you understood what I meant.
And what would Jesus say about the usurious lending rates that the state legislature of South Dakota permits credit card companies to charge Americans?
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I'll bet HE doesn't get much sex IN wedlock.
Terry C, Coldplayer | 02.25.06 - 11:48 am
She. And actually I think she and her hubby have a very happy fulfulling relationship. She's a great person, except for the 5% of that is pure winger, which takes over her intelligence. She only watches Fox. I think it's her mother in her. Her dad was a serious philanderer.
...and I know for a fact why the left keeps getting its ass kicked.
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and just why is that? please share but be specific.
He said, "Only women should have the right to argue or vote regarding the Abortion issues, since in the end it is their body and lifeblood. Men should have no say or vote on the issue"
I thought the comment was incredibly insensitive to his gender, but when I listen to and witness enough of these conservative crackerheads creating policy and then laws to effect their delusions, I think perhaps, he has a point.
Florence of Venice
That's my take as well. So I willr ecuse myself from arguments and stick to actions.
these people want to rape indigent teen females and then make them have the children to supply the next round of young blood.
Solo Meal
Gotta gave cannon fodder for those future wars for Murkan glory.
Sorry, pie.
You're right.
I get tripped up by new handles. Probably the same old same old.
the Sex Ed at my school was a largely forgetful affair.
nobody took it seriously.
and the British gov wonders why Britain has such a high rate of teenage pregancy.
Men and women, boys and girls, anybody else who cares, should find out if they are sexually compatible looooong before they commit any kind of truly permanent relationshi..
doesn't that just make sense?
what am i missing here?
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This lunacy is, naturally, a prominent story in the Twin Cities, since we're the closest metropolis to South Dakota. The local news stories last night pointed out that doctors would be facing prison time and that there is only one clinic in the entire state of South Dakota that performs abortions. Most women have to travel out of state already to get medical care.
One question I haven't seen addressed in any depth is the effect of the South Dakota legislature on the tribal lands. Since they are sovereign, they won't have to abide by any restrictions would they? I know it's never that simple, but how much of South Dakota is under the control of tribal governments?
I know for a fact why the left keeps getting its ass kicked.
Winning two squeakers under suspicious circumstances isn't kicking anyone's ass.
Maybe reading right wing blogs has short changed you in the facts department.
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I know for a fact why the left keeps getting its ass kicked.
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Stupid morons like you and DIEBOLD?
"He said, "Only women should have the right to argue or vote regarding the Abortion issues, since in the end it is their body and lifeblood. Men should have no say or vote on the issue"
He is absolutely right!
OT: Death penalty for Afghan spy head
A former Afghan intelligence chief has been sentenced to death for ordering hundreds of killings during the communist era in the late 1970s.
Asadullah Sarwari had denied the charge and said he would appeal against the verdict passed in a Kabul court.
Sarwari, 64, headed the intelligence department set up under the communist government in 1978. He was arrested 13 years ago but not tried until 2005.
His sentence is the first to be passed for war crimes in Afghanistan.
He said, "Only women should have the right to argue or vote regarding the Abortion issues, since in the end it is their body and lifeblood. Men should have no say or vote on the issue"
Considering the number of "deadbeat dads" in the world only reinforces the above argument.
Oh, Vicki, whatever.
But we've heard that bullshit too many times before and its *advice* always amounts to much ado about nothing.
Sadly, any place in this country that recognizes that Indians still exist is likely to be rife with racism against them.
It's the last socially acceptable racist bigotry in the US.
the Sex Ed at my school was a largely forgetful affair.
nobody took it seriously.
and the British gov wonders why Britain has such a high rate of teenage pregancy.
Moonbootica, Praetor
Mr. TJ went through sex ed in the French school system. The American approach just makes him sigh. He's in charge of all the sex talks with the boys. So far, it seems to be going okay. Our biggest worry is that one of them will fall for some fundie girl who will not be as educated as he is.
He said, "Only women should have the right to argue or vote regarding the Abortion issues, since in the end it is their body and lifeblood. Men should have no say or vote on the issue"
Florence, your husband is a wise man.
doesn't that just make sense?
Perfect sense.
Vicki: I was referring to the notion that men need to be experienced to be sexually enjoyable.
Where, after all, is this experience supposed to come from?
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A few years ago I took my son on a trip from MA to Montana/Idaho as a graduation present. We drove through SD and realy got a sense of the Great Plains. We spent a morning in the Badlands and stopped at a beautiful overlook with incredible stratified hillocks or culverts or whatever you would call those features. A church bus full of Fundies pulled up next to us and the kids all piled out to walk around and explore. We both would have paid money to hear the contorted lectures those poor children of the corn musta been given by their teachers at this site. We were still big into irony at that stage.
I've said it before, why are the most beautiful places in our country overrun with the most radical hatefilled fundementalists? They get Zion and Badlands and Grand Tetons. We get Boston, Newark, Philly and Cleveland. Vermont is the only exception to this unfair rule I can think of right now.
Men and women, boys and girls, anybody else who cares, should find out if they are sexually compatible looooong before they commit any kind of truly permanent relationshi..
doesn't that just make sense?
Uh, yeah. Could you imagine a lifetime commitment with someone who didn't satisfy you sexually?
But maybe that's why the Bible Belt has the highest divorce rate.
Also bootiful in AZ: Canyon de Chelly, pueblos, cinder cones.
plantsman - 12:05 pm
one of the best days on this continent begins at sunrise in monument valley, and ends with sunset over the grand canyon...
you can use the day before to visit chaco canyon, and on the way back, Moro Rock and nearby Zuni pueblo are good stops for the way back...
heartily recommended...
It's the last socially acceptable racist bigotry in the US.
rorschach
The rest seem to be making a comeback.
This lunacy is, naturally, a prominent story in the Twin Cities, since we're the closest metropolis to South Dakota. The local news stories last night pointed out that doctors would be facing prison time and that there is only one clinic in the entire state of South Dakota that performs abortions. Most women have to travel out of state already to get medical care.
How long before traveling out of state to procure an abortion is also a crime? Or is that included in the new legislation?
ALEXANDRA ROSENFELD *MISS FRANCE 2006*
LA PLUS BELLE FILLE DE FRANCE VOUS ACCUEILLE SUR SON BLOG :
http://miss2france.skyblog.com
The rest seem to be making a comeback.
Terry C, Coldplayer
Too true, that.
Miss France 2006, I've seen a lot of blogwhoring here, but never anything close to something as trivial as that.
These virginity pledges that kids across the county are being asked to take.
How about all the oral and anal sex these kids are indulging in?
Men and women, boys and girls, anybody else who cares, should find out if they are sexually compatible looooong before they commit any kind of truly permanent relationshi..
doesn't that just make sense?
what am i missing here?
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(
Makes perfect sense to me if we are going to continue to be a society that allows men and women, boys and girls, to choose their own mates. Which is preferable to having them chosen for them, IMO.
It only works the other way if they don't get to choose and the entire society is oriented toward that so that they aren't tempted to get out of a bad marriage that was arranged. And that kind of society is becoming more and more rare.
The rest seem to be making a comeback.
Terry C, Coldplayer
Too true, that.
rorschach
Plus all the sexism.
Father gets life over baby's death
An independent inquiry into how a sadistic father was allowed to batter and burn his son to death, has been demanded.
Social services and health staff knew Paul O'Neil was a risk to children but did not take his baby son Aaron into care. They reportedly did nothing to protect the three-month-old and O'Neil was able to violently murder him.
As O'Neil begins a minimum 22-year jail term, it has emerged that a health visitor involved in the case had been sacked. Social services had looked into the jobless father-of-six's violent past in May 2004, nine months before he killed his three-month-old son. They completed an initial child protection assessment "because of concerns raised in relation to father's capacity for violent behaviour and the risks he may present to the mother and her unborn child."
agree. Just as a start, Iams pet food, Gateway and Citibank are all headquartered in SD. The kossacks I think are all over this. ...
TJ | 02.25.06 - 11:52 am | #
Iams pet food is HQ here in Dayton, Ohio. Though I believe they are owned by Procter & Gamble, out of Cincy.
It's ugly.
Terry C
It's much worse than ugly, it's desecration of the worst sort, a continued psychic jackboot on their necks.
if we are going to continue to be a society that allows men and women, boys and girls, to choose their own mates. Which is preferable to having them chosen for them, IMO.
John Gibson from FUX News said last year that we need to get back to arranged marriages.
Yeah, things were SO much better when women and children were considered a MAN's property.
How about all the oral and anal sex these kids are indulging in?
Terry C, Coldplayer
I'm all for it!
Iams pet food is HQ here in Dayton, Ohio. Though I believe they are owned by Procter & Gamble, out of Cincy.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Thanks for the correction. I got my info from DKos.
Iams pet food is HQ here in Dayton, Ohio
I don't wanna to have to boycott that.
It's good for my cats and dogs.
Lets say the Vermont Legislature passes a law stating that corporations have no constitutional rights.
Is'nt it about time?Scalia would have a goddamn brain knot.
I won't boycott South Dakota. Instead, I propose a road trip to the Pine Ridge and Rosebud rez's and raising the Sioux to the warpath. I got a seamstress in Indonesia who can churn out wicked Ghost Dance shirts. We will avenge the crimes of Wounded Knee one and two as well as the Thune and gangs sneak attack. We will rub them all out.
South Dakota, the Back Asswards State
How about all the oral and anal sex these kids are indulging in?
Terry C, Coldplayer
I'm all for it!
rorschach
They're getting STDs from the UNPROTECTED anal sex.
Why this sudden wobbliness on the merits of economic boycotts? Amanda's a remarkably unsophisticated thinker on anything not directly related to feminism or snotty indie music. Of course boycotts are a blunt instrument that cause short-term pain to even victims of evil policies. But they work. Ask the people of South Africa if we shouldn't have economically punished them for the policies of Apartheid. Wait until the hotel owners and chamber of commerce types start screaming about how the wingnuts are hurting the state...
raising the Sioux to the warpath. I got a seamstress in Indonesia who can churn out wicked Ghost Dance shirts. We will avenge the crimes of Wounded Knee one and two as well as the Thune and gangs sneak attack.
Fuck you.
found your post, Vicki:
I've tried to teach them, but some men are just not comfortable in bed, or with doing things that are different or unique.
Vicki
Well, I don't know anything about you, but I do know that most women don't know how to talk to men about sex, especially in media res.
In fact, most women don't really try to understand male sexuality at all, and are quick to use what little they DO know as an excuse to dismiss or belittle it. I don't blame them, really. We live in a transitional generation, and women have been fighting to be heard for so long (and to have women recognized) that they feel no need to listen (and assume men have it made).
It's for that reason that I've been sexually amoral for most of my adult life. Women weren't going to listen to me so I just took what I could get wherever it was and played along.
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well there is a difference between arranged and force marriages.
they are often mixed up.
in an arranaged marriage there is a small ammount of choice, for instance my Qatar friend's mother recently dimissed a marriage offer from a friend's son.
force marriages are where the woman has no choice.
*forced
We will avenge the crimes of Wounded Knee one and two as well as the Thune and gangs sneak attack. We will rub them all out.
James Jesus Rimbaud - 12:16 pm
what's your size?
cuz you're gonna wanna be rite out in front, i reckon...
i'll follow along at a respectful distance...
Father gets life over baby's death
Well, at least the MOTHER didn't have an ABORTION.
/anti-choice wingnut
They're getting STDs from the UNPROTECTED anal sex.
Terry C, Coldplayer | 02.25.06 - 12:17 pm | #
I know, I was being flippant. But the anti-sex education policies of the right are contributing to the spread of HIV and all sorts of other STDs, you are right.
It's ridiculous and vile.
Don't get me started on 'honor killings'.
I won't boycott South Dakota. Instead, I propose a road trip to the Pine Ridge and Rosebud rez's and raising the Sioux to the warpath. I got a seamstress in Indonesia who can churn out wicked Ghost Dance shirts. We will avenge the crimes of Wounded Knee one and two as well as the Thune and gangs sneak attack. We will rub them all out.
James Jesus Rimbaud
Er, can I have a little of what you're smoking?
Keanu Reeves as "Tod" in Planned Parenthood:
You know, Mrs. Buchman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.
They're getting STDs from the UNPROTECTED anal sex.
Terry C, Coldplayer | 02.25.06 - 12:17 pm | #
I know, I was being flippant. But the anti-sex education policies of the right are contributing to the spread of HIV and all sorts of other STDs, you are right.
It's ridiculous and vile.
rorschach
It IS vile.
Trying to make kids afraid of sex has never stopped them from having it.
The movie is Parenthood, oops.
Sorry Terry, I was listening to some old Patti Smith this morning...got carried away....
The Scotus decision re hallucinogenic tea containing DMT reminded me of a magical lid of Panama Red doused in the stuff I bought at 16:
Zoom...trippin' for 45 minutes...Zoom, not.
Quite a ride.
I was listening to some old Patti Smith this morning...got carried away....
James Jesus Rimbaud
What you said was tremendously offensive, and stupid.
Beginning in 1864, Carson, with the eager assistance of the Navajo's traditional enemies, marched into the beautiful, steep-walled canyon to destroy cornfields, hogans (circular, domed structures made of mud and logs), and orchards. Without food or shelter, the Navajo surrendered. Thousands of them were forced to march 300 miles eastward across New Mexico to a parched reservation where they were held as prisoners of war.
The "beauty" of those empty Park landscapes is paid for in blood.
Back on topic, however, perhaps someone could deploy my strategy for fighting antichoice politicians in South Dakota?
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You know, Mrs. Buchman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.
puppethead
Same thing with adoption.
They make folks jump through all sorts of hoops, but any moron can make a baby!
I find abortion sufficiently complicated that I find I must leave the question to those who actually possess uteri. I see no alternative...
Moonbootica - point taken and I know that arranged marriages are often handled differently these days than they used to be. I know that women do get to refuse grooms picked for them and vice versa.
However, the point about compatible sexuality still pertains. They haven't courted, usually, and don't know until they are married how it's going to go. Sometimes I'm sure it works out very well. Sometimes not so much.
If the chemistry is there, then they can work out their inexperience. If the chemistry isn't there, it's going to make for a long, dull partnership.
How about all the oral and anal sex these kids are indulging in?
Terry C, Coldplayer | 02.25.06 - 12:13 pm
Silly. That, of course, is the fault of the Clenis.
The view of arranged marriage in Bend it Like Beckham was not factual, was it?
Haven't South Dakota Republicans got the new Rove memo?
This year they are supposed to be voting on banning gay rights in order to get the Christian right sheeple all stirred up, and to the polls.
Terry C, I salute you-- you are so steadfast.
I would not want you as an adversary!
Someone please give me a list of South Dakota companies that I can boycott. Gateway is the only one that comes to mind.
The left keeps getting its ass kicked because it's too defensive, and it is also arrogant and pompous in it's own special way.
Countering an attack gets you.....where? I watch you and others take entire threads off course each day doing battle with people you disagree with. Does it change anything in the real world?
No need to answer, even if you wanted to -- I have to go to work.
way to go atrios -- I seem to remember when you and the "superblogs" seemed to proclaim that taking action, especially economic action" was not a "netroot" thing.
I know that organizations like buyblue.org have been promoting this concept for a while. Not trying to be snarky -- just believe it is a good thing when those that want to see positive change decide it is time to start thinking our our dollars as "votes"
After all, they are the only "votes" we have that we are confident are actuallybeing counted.
I remember the days when these types of suggestions brought endless flaming and excuses...
Not specifically talking about eschaton, those that visit these boards often over the past few years are likely to know what I am talking about.
I am grateful that some of the blogs are talking about time for people to put their money where their mouth is -- and this means more than donating to pet causes or candidates.
Thanks
Mike Rounds is the worse kind of hypocrite. He cites his religion, Roman Catholic, as a major reason to uphold abortion ban yet he doesn't appear to have a ton of kids. Why is that? The Catholic church also condemns most forms of birth control.
I say let's delve into Mrs. Rounds medical records. Is she on birth control pills, does she have a IUD? This is not ludicrous to suggest this. Mr. Rounds says abortion is against his religion so is he just "cherry picking" those points of religion and ignoring others?
What is truly horrendous are the religious fanatics of this country. It started back in the 80's with Randall Terry and Operation Rescue. He now admits that Operation Rescue was a political starting point to launch "chirstian" politicians. The idea being for the "christians" to take over government.
women for decades have been exploited for political gain. I say it is time to stop these politicians from using abortion as a stepping stone into politics.
I,personally, would never have an abortion. An easy thing to say since I have never been placed in a position where abortion may be the only answer and I totally disagree with late term abortion. But, I say this, it is a woman's right to control her body. It is her decision to do what she feels is right.
Women let your Congressman know you are sick and tired of politicians using your body to gain votes.
Today:
In an interview Friday afternoon, Gaylor of the Women's Medical Fund compared a South Dakota tourism boycott to the 1990 Idaho potato boycott, which she said was successful in turning back an abortion ban in the state.
The potato boycott never became an actual boycott. The National Organization for Women and other pro-choice groups called for a boycott of Idaho's most famous agricultural product.
A little positive leadership, a little less negativity and perhaps some historical perspective would be quite welcome from the self-appointed quote-unquote "pro-choice spokeswomen" at this point.
is SD the state where all the credit card companies set up shop a couple decades ago--ushering in the predatory lending to college students and other desperate/ignorant segments of society?
maybe I'm thinking of another state in that area. rest assured, I won't be getting another credit card for the rest of my life, after my own miserable experience.
The best response to SD law is for those against the law to let it be and work to defeat the re-election of those politicians who voted for the bill to outlaw abortion. If the Democrats regain control of both houses of Congress, then they can put tons of pressure on SD to repeal the law. But the law should not be taken to the SC.
I'm guessing that the SC in its current form simply will refuse to hear the case, after the law is declared unconstitutional by the lower courts.
People who think this law, with no rape or incest exceptions, is actually a good thing should consider this--If your daughter is raped and impregnated by a black man, should she be forced to have the baby? If that ever comes to pass, you can bet that the legislature amends the law the same day.
oh, and if you think I'm accusing members of the SD legislature, among other in that state, of being closet racists--you're right, that's totally what I'm saying.
Heck with a boycott. Let's just go to Pierre and overthrow the SD legislature
lcoliberal.blogspot.com
I'm sure many abortions would be prevented if people would just first microwave their penis at the convenience store.
Back in the day, SD was losing population and $$. It was a crisis. Major league dipshit and accused child rapist Janklow (famous lately for killing an innocent biker with his car) got the usury laws of the state changed. Next thing you know, credit-card issuers are clamoring to locate there so they can charge interest rates that would literally be criminal elsewhere. There are some substantial businesses in SD as a result. It isn't a metropolis, but there's moneyed interests aplenty in the state.
Mt. Rushmore is in the Black Hills and it's a big tourist area. A tourist boycott could get the state legislature's attention.
This link lists lots of tourist organizations....
http://travelsd.com/feedback/inf...%
20ASSOCIATIONS
Why nnot completely boycott SD? Piss on them.
Good luck with getting a chopper out if they make it a crime to transport a woman across state lines for the purpose of getting an abortion.
atrios...
i'm from/born in SD. i'm thinkin' about leavin' myself, now that cro-magnon's are running the state...
kate looby, so. dak. planned parenthood state director has her hands full with the current situation here. a couple years ago she nailed it right on the head in this ny times piece.
http://www.theocracywatch.org/
go...es_dec13_04.htm
as i write... gov. rounds has 10 days or so to sign or veto this bill.
he's getting dozens' of calls from party higher-ups. he's in DC this weekend trying to figure out his 'role' in this and seeing what he can get out of this.
FYI: the only reason that this happened in SD is that it is a very small state and a few select people can ram anything thru.
if the readers of ATRIOS were the ONLY ONES to go to:
http://www.state.sd.us/governor/
and click on the 'this email requires a response' button before sending a non-inflammatory/reasoned email encouraging him to veto this bill... it would make gov. rounds think twice.
that's even if we were the ONLY ONES. but, we won't be.
the battle starts at the above link.
pass it on. please.
Eat sweet potatoes. They are better for you and more nutritious.
I liked how Firedoglake.blogspot.com calls this the "Rapists Rights Bill." I think that the more we hone in on the idea of how this is a bill to force young girls to carry rapist's babies the better.
I agree that a boycott is not productive. If we (those on the left) keep bashing those who choose (or are forced) to live in red states, they will stay red. The multiple elections of Tom Daschle, Tim Johnson, and recently Stephanie Herseth are evidence that the state has some part of it that is capable of thinking.
One note: even without this law, South Dakotans have very little access to abortions already. There is only one doctor that performs abortions in the entire state, and he is based in Minneapolis, and only is in Sioux Falls a couple days a week. Add in SD's waitng period, and you can imagine the hurdles that poor women face. The other alternative for those in the western part of the state is to travel to Denver, just a short 9 hour drive away.
We should work to help progrssive SD residents to build on their substantial victories, not threaten them with boycott.
Does the law forbid treatment of ectopic pregnancy?
No.
Good. That was a little alarming.
Why is South Dakota still a state? England had rotten boroughs, the US has rotten states, places that have been hollowed out as more and more people leave. We urgently need a mechanism to consolidate the depopulated states.
Why not the State of Dakota. We need to join Wyoming and Montana, New Hampshire and Vermont, North and South Dakota, and Deleware to Maryland at a minimum. That leaves Alaska, but it is sui generis.
If you want 50 states then split California, Texas and New York.
I am saddened greatly and angered even more by the actions of the terminally stupid in SD.
What's worse is that it IS South Dakota where it is happening. Let me explain:
I've had the good fortune to have a few excellent Native American friends and acquaintances cross my path over the years, and while I have always had a greater than average EQ (Emotional Quotient), I somewhat doubted the following advice [paraphrased] from some of these same people:
"If you believe that deep and great emotions can be imbued into a place just as man or animals leave their mark on a place physically after a long association with that place, then you will feel that emotional scar in South Dakota like no other place anywhere."
After living there for a year (many years ago), I grew to understand and believe what my friends had told me. It's easiest to feel when you are surrounded by no other people up in SD - something easy to make happen. There is a sense that "Once upon a time..." this was a hard but good land to those people who lived here. There is also the sense that the much rumored Native American "Curse of the Plains" has it's deepest striking point in SD. One of the Native acquaintences I met along my path in life agreed with my viewpoint.
And I once asked him, "If the "curse" truly exists, wouldn't the Natives feel awful about sending their scared places into even further ruin?"
And he smiled and said, "Yes. But even the spirit of the lands must hit rock bottom before they begin to appreciate this place as we once did."
I hate addictions. And being addicted to the quick fix, the easy out, is a uniquely disgusting non-native American trait. The fix wingers have pushed in SD is simple - just like with the Native peoples, "If we don't see 'em, and we outlaw them from being in situations we don't want them in, then they'll just go away and cease to exist."
I think that's where the "curse" really comes in. The most far-sighted spiritual members of a kind of people far more attuned to listening to the universe (the Native peoples of SD) knew terminal stupidity was the worst punishment possible for a mortal being.
So now, there is a once-beautiful state filled with idiots.
Let's help move out ALL the people who wish to leave SD, men and women alike. While a strangling boycott would be nice, there is nothing worth squat being made in SD (yes, most of Gateway is now in CA) so economically, a boycott would affect little there.
But if you can get it elsewhere, I say do it.
And one last thing - if you see a non-Native American , with SD plates on their car, outside of SD, with ANY kind of pro-Bush or Pro-life emblem anywhere on said vehicle --
Shun them. Don't talk to them. Don't acknowledge their existence. And don't take their money. Make them the non-people they've made everyone else not "like them." Make them wallow in their own hate until they die, old, alone, poor, ignorant and stupid.
Help the curse reach it's end.
Maybe then, the people" can return.
Having actually had an ectopic pregnancy within the last 4 years, that's some scary shit!
Had that episode taken place during a time and in a place where my freedom to choose was banned, I now realize I could have been forced to die, simply to not remove a zygote that had no chance of surviving anyway because of where it became implanted. WOW, that's a terrifying thought.
Thanks for clarifying that Atrios, not that I had any plans to either travel to or invest in any manufacturing products of South Dakota previously.
Silversmith
bit harsh eh? I'm a South Dakota boy myself. I'm liberal as hell but I love my state. Not all of the people are as ridiculously stupid as this bill makes them appear to be.
You're right to say that an economic boycott of SD might not do much (although, good luck avoiding the wheat, corn, soybeans and ethanol that the state makes in spades) but it would hurt those in the state that don't deserve it - children, women who DO care about their rights, and liberals like me who tried our best to keep Daschle around.
I just thank God that I'm living in Wisconsin for school at the moment - I'd have rioted in the streets of Sioux Falls had I been home.
A boycott of South Dakota is EXACTLY the right action. A full-court press on the economy of this singular red state, especially by blue-staters and pro-choice citizens of other red states, will go a long way in showing an unspoken truth about America: blue states are by far the most productive especially when you factor out mineral extraction (the intelligence and industriousness of a people is not measured by what resources their asses happen to sit upon.)
It's a testament to how unproductive South Dakota is when I can't even find a single business to boycott because there aren't any significant ones there. Nevertheless, if we let the radical right-wing governor know that we are not going to let any of our money go to his theocracy, he may just realize how badly he screwed up.
The federalcourts will overturn SD's law. It grossly goes beyond the definition of undue burden laid down in Planned Parenthood v. Caey.
Although I've never been to S.D., I'm also boycotting that oppresive Red-State, and won't even bother establishing ties with South Dakota, until the the region is shifted to the Blue-State or a neutral "Green-State".
Although I was born in a Blue-State(California), now residing in a Red-State(Montana), I'm politically neutral....Not conservative; Not liberal.
And just like yourself, who believes in freedom to make your own choice, whether it's reproductive, social, etc., I too, refuse to conform to these stuck-up Right-Wing radicals and their oppressive agenda.
I'm a free-thinker, a non-conformist, and a rebel, refusing to support South Dakota's "Inquisition".
If you're boycotting South Dakota, then I say Bravo!
You have my support, and I want to encourage everybody here who believes in individual freedom and the powers of unconventional thinking, to boycott the state of South Dakota. That means not to reside, visit do business, or travel through the region, until this
dangerous and oppressive piece of legislation is shot down forever, and all these repressive Right-Wing goons are out of power forever.
In addition, I've alsdo noticed an article about a Native American burial ground that's been desecrated by bulldozers, and even the Native tribes are also encouraging everybody to boycott South Dakota, 'cause the state has desecrated a very sacred site.
Personally, I'm neutral in this abortion flap(which should be left back in the "prehistoric" 20th Century), but I shall wholeheartly honor the Native American's request for the boycott of S.D., since their land has been ruined by the state and by those who dare to take away their spiritual faith and ways of life.
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