I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
underwear?
Yowsa.
Buckley is shrill.
Dean = Saddam.
Need to go home and watch Harold and Maude.. Can't think about this stuff anymore today.
WHAT WE SCREAMING ABOUT? MY INCOME TAXES?
Doesn't matter if Dean was right.
They'll pile on him forever.
Dems. Repukes. The media.
He's a bete noir. And I think he's okay with that.
Check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/rl3lo
Also homepage (Bad Reporter cartoon)
Dean = Saddam.
NTodd, Hoodlum
= Moore = Sheehan...
Dean
he was treated like Ward Churchill, Michael moore, George Soros, Richard Clarke....
Paul O'neil, RObert Fisk,
The Greeks were right. Being in Hell is being Cassandra, knowing you are correct, and knowing that no one is listening.
Yup, Dean hit all the points before the first boot crossed over onto Iraqi soil.
This war was a mistake from day one. Only a fool, a dipshit, or a retard can possibly argue otherwise. The presence of the US military in Iraq makes matters worse in Iraq, not better.
We are systemically destroying our Army in this quicksand. This disaster is greater than Vietnam, by an order of magnitude. Even the safeguards that the military put into place after Vietnam, to insure there was broad popular support for committing the Army like this have failed. Not just the regular Army is being damaged, but the reserves and National Guard as well.
Karl Rove has declared that Republicans intend to make national security the principal issue leading up to the 2006 elections, but how could that possibly benefit anyone other than Democrats?
BUt - isn't right now the time 'leading up to the 2006 elections'? March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October.... Not a lot of time there to be leading up.... So?
It's the "Curse of the Prophet"
But while this war was George Bush’s from start to finish - and he will live with it forever ignominiously tagged to him in history – it is now America’s war as well. And as the country decides what course of action we ought to take to extricate ourselves from this disaster, it is worth remembering whose judgment was so accurate and wise and whose judgment was so horribly wrong in every respect.
Go, Howie!!! Take that, Lieberputz and company.
Now we can all understand why Dean was running around a while back screaming, "You know what, I was proved fucking right. That's what happened. People who disagreed with me were saying, 'There he goes again.' But I was proved fucking right."
That was Dean, wasn't it?
Heard Craphammer on a Saturday night gabfest saying: "Oh, yeah... everybody's got perfect hindsight."
When it was pointed out to him that lots of folks had said precisely what might, and did, go wrong in Iraq, he just rolled his eyes as only he can.
In Charles' view, the bombings this week are potentially a good thing for Iraq because Iraqis may "look into the abyss" and pull back from it.
Okay, now I gotta go wash my hands after typing that.
This war was a mistake from day one. Only a fool, a dipshit, or a retard can possibly argue otherwise.
You left out "amoral scoundrel," Gary. There were a lot of those, too.
Karl Rove has declared that Republicans intend to make national security the principal issue leading up to the 2006 elections, but how could that possibly benefit anyone other than Democrats?
Yes, Mr. President, we've had no terreris attacks on your watch. Now about that deal to let a company loyal to a different sovereign run our ports...
In Charles' view, the bombings this week are potentially a good thing for Iraq because Iraqis may "look into the abyss" and pull back from it.
I'd like to push that twisted little man into the abyss.
It's the "Curse of the Prophet"
Cassandra!
In Charles' view, the bombings this week are potentially a good thing for Iraq because Iraqis may "look into the abyss" and pull back from it.
I always look for a silver lining.
Nach den andern seite kommen!
It's the "Curse of the Prophet"
Or the Course of the Profit.
and running on the samne shiyt again afrter nothing has changed in the last three elcdtion cycles...Karl is desperate
Karl is desperate
A cornered animal is dangerous.
Greenwald for congress!
I'd like to push that twisted little man into the abyss.
Craphammer is the embodiment of what is wrong with this country. Of course his first loyalty is not to America anyway.
We live in a country where op-ed pundits regularly condemn those who warn against policies favored by the in-crowd as "Cassandras". Of course, those of us who know our Greek mythology know that Cassandra had the gift of prophecy, and the curse that no one would ever believe her. Condemning a critic as a Cassandra is to say that the critic is completely right, but that no one will listen.
i think i heard that Maher said that we should give Saddam his country back. yeesh.
probably not that bad an idea.
I have to ask a stupid question: Uh-oh. It's seems to me that I went to sleep one night and Dean was the candidate, when I awoke, it was Kerry. Can anyone tell me what happened?
(It seems as odd as when I read that there could be as many as 10,000 dead in New Orleans. Then, the next day and thereafter the line was "initial estimates way too high")
Gary Frazier - I think you needlessly neglect the reasonable conclusion that people who supported the war are not only fools, but also dipshits and retards. No need for mutual exclusivity there.
And pie, I'm not sure you were here for my funny the other night, which was,
What does it sound like when wingnut heads explode?
POPCORN!!
(inspiration courtesy of your late gravatar).
Condemning a critic as a Cassandra is to say that the critic is completely right, but that no one will listen.
Intentional or unintentional irony?
Great post by Glenn. Howard Dean is a mensch, a real man. Kerry is a pansy-assed pussy for not slapping Bush around like the zero loser he is. Rove, as well, should be sleeping with the fishes. These clowns have done more harm than Saddam and Osama combined (which, of course, would never, could never, happen), and all of those soldiers over there fighting for our freedoms are going to return to find that we lost them anyway, and that the real enemy of American freedoms is the Republican party. Which is nothing new; it's been that way since 1960.
Oh, and BTW: I couldn't keep my footing during the latest Lightning Round of threads.
In the "Just a Thought" thread, I thought to comment that Condomleakage and Man-Hands ought to be rebranded, respectively: Secretary of Scold and Assistant Secretary of Scold.
Perhaps we ought to have a Department of Scold, with a coat of arms bearing an insignia composed of a two-headed woman's silhouette (something like the MIA flag) with her foot ceremonially standing on a discarded jar of honey, and an upraised arm surrounded by a swarm of flies circling a generous handful of shit.
From the previous thread:
So what he's really saying is not that Iraq was the wrong war, but that W. screwed it up so badly it's now pointless.
To be fair, this has some merit. The reality-based community knows that Bush lied us into the war to indulge the fantasies of the PNAC whackjobs and their fellow travelers. Of course, knowing that it would be a huge win for Big Oil, Halliburton and Carlyle, as indicated by the record profits of all since the start of the war, didn't hurt.
We have to assume Bush thought the neocon whackjobs were right--after all, he's gullible, in thrall to Daddy, Baker and the Carlyles, and not very bright, so had no independent basis to question the bullshit he was being spoon-fed. And in fact, if they had been right (30,000 troops could push over the Hussein government and lead to a democratic groundswell in Iraq, with reconstruction paid for by oil revenues and all the other aspects of hte fantasy) I don't think anyone would be second-guessing him today. But of course, terrible leaders rarely bother coming up with contingency plans or even considering the possibility of failure. And even after starting the war, Bush fucked it up (undercommitted money and troops, sent advisers into Iraq who were picked for their ideological purity and ability to give cash to Republicans, rather than their qualifications to run a country, fired the Pentagon generals who tried to interject reality, etc., etc.)
I guess what I'm saying is that if you supported the war because you believed the PNAC bullshit, it's not entirely dishonest to say that it "wasn't the wrong war, but Bush fucked it up." It may have been naive to believe the PNAC bullshit, but I give more credit to the people who fell for it than the people who actively advanced it.
"Crazy Dean wasn't right... everything would have been hunky-dory in Iraq except he went out and didn't support the troops!
It's his fault everyone didn't fall in line and back up the President's decisions!
Howard Dean lost the war with his negativity!"
... I can GUARANTEE that's how this will be spun by the kooks.
A cornered animal is dangerous.
NTodd, Hoodlum
particularly a cornered hedgehog
Fuck all Bush supporters everywhere. They have lost their last remaining scrap of credibility on this. The double standard they employ for criticizing the Iraq War is blatant. They are a complete fucking joke, every last one of them. They are children.
It's his fault everyone didn't fall in line and back up the President's decisions!
Howard Dean lost the war with his negativity!"
see Fonda, Jane
and Vietnam, war in
as a testament to how far right this country has gone, people in Houston are beginning to remember Phil Gramm as a pillar of moderateness...
I was sort of shocked when I learned that Craphammer had been psychiatrist.
I have to ask a stupid question: Uh-oh. It's seems to me that I went to sleep one night and Dean was the candidate, when I awoke, it was Kerry. Can anyone tell me what happened?
Yeah, the primary system that lets a tiny fraction of the country (and a fraction which is nonrepresentative of the country in any way--economically, racially, politically, philosophically) pick the nominees happened.
If there had been a national primary, Dean would have won hands-down.
In Charles' view, the bombings this week are potentially a good thing for Iraq because Iraqis may "look into the abyss" and pull back from it.
This is like saying we should expect serial killers and child molesters to cure themselves.
I was sort of shocked when I learned that Craphammer had been psychiatrist.
You don't suppose...
Nah.
that raging centrist Dick Armey
What does it sound like when wingnut heads explode?
POPCORN!!
(inspiration courtesy of your late gravatar).
I missed that, but you're right!
I loved my gravatar. *sniff*
This is like saying we should expect serial killers and child molesters to cure themselves.
Well, after you kill your 17th victim or rape your 17th kid, something kicks in and you just say to yourself, "My God, what am I *doing* with my life! This is just terrible, I need to let Jesus into my heart."
In Charles' view, the bombings this week are potentially a good thing for Iraq because Iraqis may "look into the abyss" and pull back from it.
You know, they say that American ingenuity peaked with the Moon shot in 1969. But I think the mental contortions which the wingnuts and the corporate media are going through to shore up Chickenhawk Chimpy may have surpassed that.
*HOOT*
*hoot*
Fuck all Bush supporters everywhere.
that would be only the DP World stock owners and oil monarchies in the Midd. East at this moment i think. basically all the haves in the world. they're scared shitless now b/c the have nots are pissed off. if i were a bush family member right now, i'd be worried....or drunk.
Rove, as well, should be sleeping with the fishes.
I can only hope that he's the one who really gets hung out to dry for his FAILURE to protect the little dictator.
something kicks in
Eli
...usually your defense attorney
the real enemy of American freedoms is the Republican party.
Instinctively, I support whatever side has the capacity to move a majority in the country and talks social justice, fiscal integrity, and broad-spectrum equality, and means it.
That's the Democrats at the moment. Unfortunately, the Democratic party has its share of pols lined up across the country to kiss corporate ass -- which is the real problem. I voted for Kerry, but I held my nose when I did it.
I'm tired of saying: Don't blame me; I voted for Kodos.
Dean! Dean, where are ye??
Off Topic, save for those who listen to Air America Radio.
I've gone through the AAR tips file on my website and as of today, all the links are updated and working.
Of particular interest is the KPOJ link from Portland, Oregon. I pulled the actual audio stream link from the crappy web based player. Just plug it into the "Open URL" option in Windows Media Player.
As always, if anyone has any questions about improving their local reception of Air America Radio, please email me and I'll do what I can to help you get the best reception of your local station.
cht@gis.net
Atrios, some day you should dig out those quotes when the Moustache of Understanding said that it was OK for Bush to lie the country into war. He wrote that in columns not once, but twice.
Hoagland wrote that once.
anyone watching tavis on cspan?
Isn't now that time for AssRocket to tell us about the Bush being a "genius" again?
Fuck all Bush supporters everywhere. They have lost their last remaining scrap of credibility on this. The double standard they employ for criticizing the Iraq War is blatant. They are a complete fucking joke, every last one of them. They are children
Buzz Bomb
In my present state of mind, I couldn't say it any better than the above commenter.
Isn't now that time for AssRocket to tell us about the Bush being a "genius" again?
Attaturk
And Tweety to praise his sunny nobility.
I was a Deaniac
I am still a Deaniac
I like to think that he is working hard changing the party at the grassroots
I don't think he can do it alone
BTW -- any honest person knew that invading Iraq because of 9-11 was evil & stupid
Well, after you kill your 17th victim or rape your 17th kid, something kicks in and you just say to yourself... This is just terrible, I need to let Jesus into my heart."
Eli
It's even worse than that. Your Ralph Reed- or Bush-style 'christian' believes that A)Anything done in god's name is permitted when done by his chosen instruments; in fact, it's imperative because god tells me to do this.
And, B)Even if you commit 'bad acts', you just fall on your knees and ask god through jesus to forgive you, and -bingo!- All New Clean! Then you can go out and do the same monstrous things again. Repeat process. Ignore the voices of the devil who say you're wrong and monstrous; of course they'd say that... They're not 'chosen', pure; 'of the Volk'.
It's the "Curse of the Prophet"
Actually it's the "Curse of the Profiteers". The big players profit win or lose, the rest of us are cursed by the deaths and the financial burden.
I loved my gravatar. *sniff*
pie
Mr too.
I think watertiger? has them enabled.
.
"Being in Hell is being Cassandra, knowing you are correct, and knowing that no one is listening."
Cassandra was a Medium. I often have thought that many liberals have that sense. Cassandra became I think what is called a "Hysteric" today. I am sure as heck hysterical about all this mess.
I was sort of shocked when I learned that Craphammer had been psychiatrist.
res ipsa loquitur | 02.25.06 - 3:12 pm | #
In the Hannibal Lecter mold.
I wonder if bush and company have thought thru the possibility of Iraq and the Middle East falling into chaos?
What is their "what if" scenario if the oil stops flowing due to unchecked terrorist activities on multiple fronts thru-out the entire region. And if uncontrolable violence does errupt in the region, how long can the US consumer handle dwindling supplies of gasoline?
"What is their "what if" scenario if the oil stops flowing due to unchecked terrorist activities on multiple fronts thru-out the entire region."
Corn and Nuclear.
I loved my gravatar. *sniff*
pie
Mr too.
I think watertiger? has them enabled.
.
agave, accidental texan
As do I, and many others. I think it has a LOT to do with the volume of the comments. Obviously few of us get anywhere near Atrios's volume.
Homage to the Prior, with all due respect to the cloth 
:
Just a still town monk on a Saturday night, lookin' for the fight of his life
In the real-time world no one sees him at all, they all say he's crazy
Locking rhythms to the beat of his heart, changing Prior into life
He has danced into the danger zone, when a dancer becomes a dance
It can cut you like a knife, if the gift becomes the fire
On a wire between will and what will be...
He's a Deaniac, Deaniac on the floor
And he's dancing like he's never danced before!
He's a Deaniac, Deaniac on the floor
And he's dancing like he's never danced before!
Please excuse me. I must go plant fennel and basil and tomatoes and little yellow crookneck squash.
.
I sure wish I gave a shit about seeing the Czechs & Russians play hockey.
If this was the Winter Olympics in 1972 that would have been something.
"Corn and Nuclear."
And Invading Venezuela, getting control of their oil and killing the socialist movement in South American all in one fell swoop.
Drilling off the coast of California and wherever else we can sink a hole.
Then we can get Canada's coal producing energy industry.
Atrios has also disabled email addresses (which I used rather frequently to contact peopel off thread & people did the same to me)
I only go to watertiger's when she blogwhores because I am on dialup & it takes forever for her graphics rich site to load (while it slows down everything else) -- the gravatars never made that big a difference!
pie -- I hate to admit it, but I can't remember your gravatar (BTW -- are oyu joining Vicki et al on Abbey Road 11 March?)
"Corn and Nuclear."
I suppose they'll install power grids in the Interstate highway system and we all trade in our gas-guzzlers for life-size slot cars that draw power from that grid supplied by the local nuke juice machine
"I suppose they'll install power grids in the Interstate highway system and we all trade in our gas-guzzlers for life-size slot cars that draw power from that grid supplied by the local nuke juice machine"
Natch!!
Little Brøther | 02.25.06 - 3:31 pm | #
HA ha!
Does anyone here object to the idea of using tranquilizer darts on Republicans?
Excuse me. Who is Craphammer?
While it's good Buckley and the whole world now recognize the disaster in Iraq, it's equal to endorsing the use of fire alarms after the house has been burned down. True leadership is about having the vision Howard Dean demonstrated while campaigning to be a Leader President.
I got to see Gov. Dean talk in person this week. He was spot-on as usual. Why are our choices for 2008 the triangulators from the Senate?
Thanks pie.
Thanks pie.
What does it sound like when wingnut heads explode?
A lot of very smelly air escaping.
A&E has a special on polygamy.
Mormons are fucking creepy people -- and very anti-woman!
Buckley sounds angry
Mormons are fucking creepy people -- and very anti-woman!
Terry C, Coldplayer
________________________
Polygamy as still practiced by some sects of Mormons is really nothing more than female slavery and pedophilia.
In addition, the "elders" of the sect get to have a dozen wives each while the young men in the community are left to their own devices.
It's illegal and outrageous and for the most part it isn't prosecuted...
If America were a sane, sensible and just society Bushboy & Cheneychins would have been impeached, indicted for war crimes and sent to prison once the fraud of WMDs, mushroom clouds and other scare-mongering lies were revealed.
It wasn't a failure of "the intelligence community" as the craven MSM keeps saying. It was the failure of the Bushboy administration to be honest and honorable by cherry picking dubious pieces of intelligence and using them to concoct a war that they wanted long before 9/11 occurred.
If that isn't impeachable then nothing is....
Beyond just the fact that all of this should serve to take Bush down, I think people are not noticing that the U.S. has gotten itself into some serious trouble that just a change in leadership is not going to fix. There are going to be some even bigger problems in the Middle East over the next few years, the country is in a huge amount of debt, there will be a severe oil crisis and probably an economic depression. It's going to get ugly, and getting rid of Bush is only the beginning of trying to repair the problems.
The Greeks were right. Being in Hell is being Cassandra, knowing you are correct, and knowing that no one is listening.
PinHouston
Nah. It was Sartre who got it right:
L'enfer, c'est les autres.
"Hell is other people."
(Or, as Google Translator would have it,
"The hell they is the different ones.")
Especially if they're Republicans.
When is the MSM ever going to make the connection that the war on Irag is not 'the war on terror'?
The war in Iraq is part of the global war on the poor.
Howard Dean Speaks For Me.
That is all.
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