I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
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Next.
MAY CONTAIN UNSAFE INFO... ON ANOTHER COMP TODAY... sorry for the caps...
MAY CONTAIN UNSAFE INFO... ON ANOTHER COMP TODAY... sorry for the caps...
Thrid
I didn't know that there were levees around D.C.
Yuppies and speculators have screwed up VT.
Dammit.
I wouldn't be surprised though I haven't seen the data and since I don't have excel anyway, I'm not going to download it. But think of it this way: a state with only a million people wouldn't have to pick up more than the population of a medium-small city to grow in population by 50%. I have no idea how much the Arkansas population has grown since 1985, when it was about 2 million, but it feels like it's at least doubled. You notice that a lot more in a sparsely populated place.
I skimmed that article this morning. Made me think about NTodd. More room for him and the boys.
mer - don't miss my last confessional response on the previous thread.
re: state populations - south dakota should be popping soon.
"I'd rather suck Clinton's cigar than Laura's bush."
Maybe Vermont should consider amending its abortion laws.
Forced childbirth for everyone!
Isn't Vermont the state that the occasional populist/libertarian group targets as the 'move-to' place, so they could take over by winning the polls and establish their dream government?
Then they realize that all of the others are nuts and decide not to do it?
Foist?
R2K
D'oh!
R2K
Foist?
Go. Away. You. Useless. Spamming. Fucker.
Well, at first I was a little stunned by those figures. Given that heating costs are skyrocketing, why would folks go to a place with harsh winters?
But the cost of living in places like California, the East Coast megalopolis, and big cities in between are so high right now, that maybe the move to places like Idaho makes some sense.
On a vaguely related note, I came across this disturbing map which shows just how poisoned the United States is these days.
well, that's the end of my battery. a good way of limitting atrios crack™
see ya later, bats.
Afternoon, all...
a state with only a million people wouldn't have to pick up more than the population of a medium-small city to grow in population by 50%.
Well put. Fight innumeracy!!
Go. Away. You. Useless. Spamming. Fucker.
Eli |
Is Alex an annoyance, then?
On a vaguely related note, I came across this disturbing map which shows just how poisoned the United States is these days.
Oh, I thought it was a 2004 electoral map.
i'm just so sure this isn't anti-choice psy-ops priming all those nice readers at the times to accept the end of choice. really.
Is Alex an annoyance, then?
Grrr...
I also can't imagine DC losing a quarter of its population.
Hurricane Patrick Fitzgerald?
atrios crack™
Is that like plumber's crack?
hmm - 9%. guess i'll hang around unil it actually dies.
then i'm off to the castle aaaaaahhhrrrrggh
Vermont, with a population of about 620,000, now has the lowest birth rate among states. Three-quarters of its public schools have lost children since 2000.
Someone is just going to have to "take one for the team" and get busy with NTodd.
I volunteer to impregnate as many nubile Vermont women with more than 3 teeth as possible...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/
030306Z.shtml
In that case, since I'm starting off OT, here goes:
Dahr Jamail writes about the numbers of civilian deaths in Iraq, suggesting Negroponte and the Pentagon openly discussing the "Salvador option" may have come to a hideous fruition in these systematic killings.
The Independent newspaper from London recently reports that hundreds of Iraqis each month are tortured to death or executed by death squads working out of the Shia-run Ministry of Interior.
(snip)
...the US State Department announced that the only new rebuilding money in its latest budget request for Iraq is for prisons.
With no other big building projects scheduled for Iraq in the next year, the State Department coordinator for Iraq is asking Congress for $100 million for prisons, while the Iraqi people languish with 3.2 hours of electricity daily in the average home, staggering unemployment and horrendous security, with most still dependent upon a monthly food ration.
Meanwhile John Pace, the Human Rights Chief for the UN Assistance Mission in Iraq until last month, recently stated that he believes the US has violated the Geneva Conventions in Iraq and is fueling the violence via raiding Iraqi homes and detaining thousands of innocent Iraqis. Pace estimates that between 80-90% of Iraqi detainees are innocent.
During an interview on Democracy Now!, when asked to described the role of the militias in Iraq, Pace said "they first started as a kind of militia, sort of organized armed groups, which were the military wing of various factions. And they have - they had a considerable role to play in the [security] vacuum that was created by the invasion."
He went on to describe their actions: "So you have these militias now with police gear and under police insignia basically carrying out an agenda which really is not in the interest of the country as a whole. They have roadblocks in Baghdad and other areas, they would kidnap other people. They have been very closely linked with numerous mass executions ..."
Pace, when asked if there were death squads in Iraq, replied, "I would say yes, there are death squads," and "my observations would confirm that at least at a certain point last year and in 2005, we saw numerous instances where the behavior of death squads was very similar, uncannily similar to that we had observed in other countries, including El Salvador."
Oh, cripes, many here wrote sarcastically that sending Negroponte would mean death squads--but it's still horrifying to see it happening so openly.
Dear Leader and the Culture of Life.
Dear Leader and his rebuilding Iraq.
(or Afghanistan or New Orleans....)
Ha.
Click for entire article. As usual, Jamail writes powerfully.
I also can't imagine DC losing a quarter of its population.
i can.
all in a dream, all in a dream
the purging had begun
Why must I live in a country where Bill Frist is gainfully employed?
possible solution for vt: manimals!
Hm, I don't have Excel at hand, but if this tracks the red/blue state population projections that showed up on Kos last year, interesting topics abound.
Sun-belt states becoming less red, for one.
sorry, that was rude. afternoon, bats.
populations have and always will migrate. why young people leave vermont probably has to do with why young people everywhere leave for better places: lack of opportunity, the 'boredom' of the country to young blood, a desire to learn about the world. but i really don't think that vermont is that much different from the rest of the country re aging.
my parents both came from large families. all my aunts and uncles had small families, and i only have one sister. for certain elements of the american population (educated white folks) birth rates have been dropping for what, four decades now? at the same time, the fastest growing populations are also frequently communities of color.
of course, i love how the article talks repeatedly about the need to cut back on those drastic environmental protections. yeah, that's why young people leave small towns of 3600 people. whatever.
with more than 3 teeth as possible...
Picky, picky, picky.
Maine's the oldest and Vermont's #2? We Pennsylvanians have always been told we have the second oldest population after Florida.
They must be using different formulas for calculating "oldest."
OT
Today is the 1038th day since Mission Accomplished, almost all of which have been accompanied by a 'recent surge of violence' with disturbing regularity.
http://www.democraticunderground...&
mesg_id=574939
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"So...how are things, Dr. Capt.?"
Well, I'm glad you asked!
On the downside, my house looks like shit, I haven't been paid more than drek at either of my jobs lately, I stayed up last night til 5AM and I didn't even get drunk, and I'm down to my last pair of contacts.
OTOH, I have an interview for a good-paying job on Wednesday, my kid is the greatest in the world, and I'm definitely getting drunk tonight..
OTO(O)H, the good-paying job is in the nuke business and involves a 60-minute commute each way.
Once again--thanks for asking!
New Hampshire's the state that the wingnuts wanted to take over.
with more than 3 teeth as possible...
Picky, picky, picky.
Even I have limits to just how much I will suffer for love.
I have no idea how much the Arkansas population has grown since 1985, when it was about 2 million, but it feels like it's at least doubled. You notice that a lot more in a sparsely populated place.
Jen, I'm pretty sure certain areas have become more populated. Well, I know they have.
Oh, cripes, many here wrote sarcastically that sending Negroponte would mean death squads--but it's still horrifying to see it happening so openly.
i'm sorry if my writing wasn't clear; any time i've talked about negro-pointman i've meant to imply that there was no doubt that his installation = death squads in iraq.
I thought the wingnuts wanted to take South Carolina..?
New Hampshire's the state that the wingnuts wanted to take over.
Phoenix Woman
At my office in Boston, we have our share of recent bedroom-community converts.
"Sure the commute makes me want to cut my throat, but the TAXES!!! You're killing yourselves with taxes!"
rorschach - whoa - that map is incredible.
good find.
Idaho's the ultimate "White Flight" destination state
for wingers. Mark Fuhrman's there, Nazis are there.
Let'em have it.
I thought the wingnuts wanted to take South Carolina..?
From... themselves?
with more than 3 teeth as possible...
Well, good for you with the el dente sex, but there are advantages to only gums. (Or so I heard in HS health class once.)
OTO(OO)H, chidyke has just completely bummed me out.
Well, good for you with the el dente sex, but there are advantages to only gums. (Or so I heard in HS health class once.)
...And we're back to the circumcision debate.
thought the wingnuts wanted to take South Carolina..?
The New Exodus movement (or somesuch) is laughably trying to repopulate the liberal haven of Upstate South Carolina.
I don't think anyone told them...
Even I have limits to just how much I will suffer for love.
NTodd, Hoodlum
That is a good thing. It took me a while to learn how to set such limits.
The worker shortage recently forced Mr. Douglas to say he would not drive out illegal immigrants working on Vermont's dairy farms.
Interesting.
Bit ironic that the Census Bureaul is eagerly engaged in making projections, since sampling in the census itself -- likewise a form of statistical extrapolation -- was shot down by the right.
And we're back to the circumcision debate.
Ow. Ow. Ow.
Maine's the oldest and Vermont's #2? We Pennsylvanians have always been told we have the second oldest population after Florida.
I have always read that Florida is the oldest and Rhode Island the second oldest. Must be different formulas for calculating the age thing.
Evangelicals want a biblically governed state.
Moving to a warmer climate to escape high energy bills?
Like no one uses air conditioning?
The problem of Vermont is that skiing doesn't last the whole year around.
I have always read that Florida is the oldest and Rhode Island the second oldest. Must be different formulas for calculating the age thing.
Echidne of the snakes
I know Rhody is among the oldest, highest % of war veterans, etc.
Bluest though.
That is a good thing. It took me a while to learn how to set such limits.
Well, I recently learned what mine are.
These must be Post 11-9 numbers in '07 after their next fake attack on America.
shorter democraps: we hate the heartland states. fuck'em.
ChiDy--I wrote some stuff that, while I knew it was possible, I kept hoping would not come to pass. Sarcastically was not the right word--I definitely missed le mot juste on that one. We all probably commented with grim horror of what would be.
Sometimes I still can't believe my country has done in Iraq, along with so many other countries, what indeed it has done. From decades. When we ought ot have know so much better.
The New Exodus movement (or somesuch) is laughably trying to repopulate the liberal haven of Upstate South Carolina.
They're trying to repopulate upstate SC with "ex-gays"?
Now that's an odd idea.
We Pennsylvanians have always been told we have the second oldest population after Florida.
I have a suspicion that what's happening here in PA is that we're losing our YOUNG population faster than anybody else...what's actually happening to the absolute numbers, I have no idea.
I didn't know there was gold in VT!
The problem of Vermont is that skiing doesn't last the whole year around.
It must do a fine business in the fall.
Well, preview would have been a good thing.
Idaho's the ultimate "White Flight" destination state
for wingers
This is true, but they also keep trying to infiltrate other mountain west states.
I have a suspicion that what's happening here in PA is that we're losing our YOUNG population faster than anybody else...
Well, I *did* tell them to get off my lawn...
The problem of Vermont is that skiing doesn't last the whole year around.
And this year the season's been wicked short, which pisses off NTodd's Pa to no end--he had to sit out last season because of shoulder surgery (damned shredder cut him off in icy conditions the year before), and this year he's only gotten a couple days of skiing in.
They're trying to repopulate upstate SC with "ex-gays"?
Now that's an odd idea.
I suggest that all the tops go to N. Carolina and all the botoms to S. Carolina. I like it when the demographics agree with sexual preferences.
Evangelicals want a biblically governed state.
Will the Quran do? If so, Iran's available.
They're trying to repopulate upstate SC with "ex-gays"?
Now that's an odd idea.
rorschach
Wrong fundies. 
Tough to keep them organized...
It must do a fine business in the fall.
pie | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 5:36 pm | #
Ayuh the tiny little roads are chuck full with Wagoneers driving too fast and yelling at locals.
They're trying to repopulate upstate SC with "ex-gays"?
What about the pre-homosexuals?
This is true, but they also keep trying to infiltrate other mountain west states.
General J.C.'s recent experiences are sobering, even in the hard-core lib college town he lives in.
WEll, company's come and gone. Did I miss anything good?
nope
Ayuh the tiny little roads are chuck full with Wagoneers driving too fast and yelling at locals.
Fucking peepers always getting in my way.
Who programs FM radio these days?
The station I'm listening to has gone from: "Rock the Casbah"(sp?), to "Layla", to "Our House". Now it's "A Horse with No Name". Ugh!
What drugs are they on??
What about the pre-homosexuals?
NTodd
Don't forget the pre-pre.
The blastocysts that walk just so...
.I suggest that all the tops go to N. Carolina and all the botoms to S. Carolina. I like it when the demographics agree with sexual preferences.
We'll keep that in mind.
Well, I *did* tell them to get off my lawn...
Dammit, I told you not to go out there with insufficient Poli-Grip, or you'd scare 'em.
WEll, company's come and gone. Did I miss anything good?
I'm watching Earth Vs. Spider, starring Krakow from My So-Called Life. I'm desperately hungry, but I just can't tear myself away from the Cinematic Quality.
What drugs are they on??
Tom Truthful
Banana peel?
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I used to ski race in VT NTodd. I'm looking for a place on either border of VT now. I want to build or convert a place using solar.
Interesting how an article like this can be quite biased while appearing not to be so.
Fucking peepers always getting in my way.
lawdy, i do loves me the sound of peepers at night.
(squish)
The blastocysts that walk just so...
Gay blastocysts are pretty easy to detect. They spend a lot of time braiding their umbilical cords and decorating their womb with bright colors...
I'd still rather live near the east coast.
I said near.
I fear that the weather is going to become more and more of an issue on the coast, and most definitely, in the south.
Dammit, I told you not to go out there with insufficient Poli-Grip, or you'd scare 'em.
If I wanna scare 'em, I just totter out in my really old clothes and yell "BRAAAIIINNNSSSS!!!!"
but I just can't tear myself away from the Cinematic Quality.
Another digital cable addict...
I'm watching Earth Vs. Spider, starring Krakow from My So-Called Life.
Spoiler: The spider snubs Krakow, so he pouts and rides his bicycle in circles.
If I wanna scare 'em, I just totter out in my really old clothes and yell "BRAAAIIINNNSSSS!!!!"
Eli
Pittsburgh is the Heartland of Zombies...
shorter democraps: we hate the heartland states. fuck'em.
shithead
There is no "heart" in the "heartland" states.
All myth.
Gay blastocysts are pretty easy to detect. They spend a lot of time braiding their umbilical cords and decorating their womb with bright colors...
And by the time they become embryhomos, it's even more obvious.
(jazz flippers!)
Gay blastocysts are pretty easy to detect. They spend a lot of time braiding their umbilical cords and decorating their womb with bright colors...
Oh, dude. You are so het.
A gay blastocyst would NEVER decorate in bright colors. One accent wall, maybe.
"BRAAAIIINNNSSSS!!!!"
I never ask anymore...I figure after another hundred posts or so, I'll finally get it.
That sheep looks just like a cat.
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I just can't tear myself away from the Cinematic Quality.
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That makes me sad. Don't you have any extreeem instant foodlike product sitting around waiting for you. If not, why not?
re heartland:
Theres a lot of cantaminated drinking water thanks to huge agri-bidnezzes though! I hope that works out well for y'all!
I'm one of the old coots who dreams of retiring to Vermont someday.
Ayuh the tiny little roads are chuck full with Wagoneers driving too fast and yelling at locals.
You're saying everyone who comes into Vermont in a flaming asshole?
I grew up in a ski resort town. Yes, there were assholes. But there were a lot of others who weren't.
Paging Keith Olbermann...
OMG, that was funny. Thank you, tigre...
"It is difficult to make predictions, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
Interesting projections to look at, but I don't know how accurately they will pan out. It seems that there are an awful lot of things that can alter these projections drastically - the effects of global waming in increased storm activity rainfall patterns, the price of energy, the state of the economy, how many more wars the Republicans will get us into, pandemics, etc. It would be nice to know what criteria they used on which they based their projections.
That makes me sad. Don't you have any extreeem instant foodlike product sitting around waiting for you. If not, why not?
I got groceries too recently - I have so many options I can't decide.
y'know, this is the second time I'm watching "Constantine," and I still have no idea what the hell is going on.
A gay blastocyst would NEVER decorate in bright colors. One accent wall, maybe.
I figured they haven't developed a good sense of color (or sight) and need to experiment before they can watch the Fab Five.
I'm watching Earth Vs. Spider, starring Krakow from My So-Called Life. I'm desperately hungry, but I just can't tear myself away from the Cinematic Quality.
Eli
How's about a nice marinara sauce with lots of fresh basil over some penne? Sprinkled with fresh grated Parm? Me hungry, too.
A gay blastocyst would NEVER decorate in bright colors. One accent wall, maybe.
watertiger
And there's Salento all over the keyboard.
A gay blastocyst would NEVER decorate in bright colors. One accent wall, maybe.
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I dunno. I heard that brights were this year's black for blastocysts.
AZ looks just about right.
Sorry.
Who's ready go out and get me some more starch?
I'm one of the old coots who dreams of retiring to Vermont someday.
Sweet Sue | 03.04.06 - 5:43 pm | #
If I do find the right place I'd have some smaller chunks of land to sell as well. I'm going to fix up some smaller homes and resell those as well. Time frame is for next summer.
y'know, this is the second time I'm watching "Constantine," and I still have no idea what the hell is going on.
watertiger
You mean the guy from last year's Idol?
You're saying everyone who comes into Vermont in a flaming asshole?
From my upbringing in the touristy areas in RI, Maine and SC, I understand and encourage the fiction of the Out of State Asshole.
Since I am one now...
You're saying everyone who comes into Vermont in a flaming asshole?
Not everyone, but you can tell by the plates and the ride.
y'know, this is the second time I'm watching "Constantine," and I still have no idea what the hell is going on.
Duh, something about demons and shit. And he's got cancer.
Whoa.
A confession: This is really bad but more and more I want New England to secede. Nobody likes us. They make fun of the way we talk, they make fun of the way we drive, they make fun of the tolerance and equal rights that we insist on here. I'm tired of fighting with people that have soybeans and corn where there brains should be. What the hell, so many other people keep calling us unpatriotic. I'm tired of it all.
y'know, this is the second time I'm watching "Constantine," and I still have no idea what the hell is going on.
watertiger
I haven't watched it, because I used to love the Hellblazer comics, and I am afraid of how they've butchered it.
A gay blastocyst would NEVER decorate in bright colors. One accent wall, maybe.
I have seen some gay blastocytes walkup fallopian tubes that, well the interior decorating was to die for. When they get attached, they make the most of it.
I figured they haven't developed a good sense of color (or sight) and need to experiment before they can watch the Fab Five.
ah. but surely, if they're gay at the blastocyst stage, they understand the value of Pratt & Lambert's Heritage™ line.
How's about a nice marinara sauce with lots of fresh basil over some penne? Sprinkled with fresh grated Parm? Me hungry, too.
Absolutely. How long do I have to make myself presentable and stuff all my crap in the closet?
What the fuck is with all this overfed cat business going on lately? Seriously, it's just wrong.
Oh, and Dr. Strangelove is coming up on TCM.
You're saying everyone who comes into Vermont in a flaming asshole?
No I'm saying the roads are full of Wagoneers going too fast, most of those idiots are too afraid to leae their vehicles for more than 15 minutes so they are mainly on the roads.
Whoa.
"Ju jitsu? I'm going to learn . . . ju jitsu?"
y'know, this is the second time I'm watching "Constantine," and I still have no idea what the hell is going on.
watertiger
Peter Stormare's Satan is deliciously bizarre.
After seeing Arizona and Nevada's popuation explode and housing become expensive, I wouldn't be surprised if Idaho grow. Good climate, open spaces, and jobs will do that... but then the growth destroys those advantages.
A confession: This is really bad but more and more I want New England to secede. Nobody likes us. They make fun of the way we talk, they make fun of the way we drive, they make fun of the tolerance and equal rights that we insist on here.
Free New England!
(for Scoop)
Not everyone, but you can tell by the plates and the ride.
Yeah, well they bring their asshole dollars, which was always at the back of my mind when I encountered one.
Absolutely. How long do I have to make myself presentable and stuff all my crap in the closet?
Eli
That doesn't matter at all to me. Just find a surface for the pasta dishes, and I'm ready.
They're trying to repopulate upstate SC with "ex-gays"?
What about the pre-homosexuals?
NTodd, Hoodlum
I like the way you think.
Ayuh the tiny little roads are chuck full with Wagoneers driving too fast and yelling at locals.
I'm pretty sure that's a 'folk memory.' Wagoneers? Not for like thirty years.
I haven't watched it, because I used to love the Hellblazer comics, and I am afraid of how they've butchered it.
They butchered it, but not as badly as you might think.
Yeah, well they bring their asshole dollars, which was always at the back of my mind when I encountered one.
pie | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 5:48 pm | #
Naturepimp!
giggles
I haven't watched it, because I used to love the Hellblazer comics, and I am afraid of how they've butchered it.
I just follow my girlfriend's advice and forget that there was a comic. Worked for League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen too.
ah. but surely, if they're gay at the blastocyst stage, they understand the value of Pratt & Lambert's Heritage™ line.
It's more the look on the mother when the step van full of decorations pulls up to her vagina.
I'm pretty sure that's a 'folk memory.' Wagoneers? Not for like thirty years.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 5:48 pm | #
Well whatever those monstrous things are.
Peter Stormare's Satan is deliciously bizarre.
As they say in Australia, "camp as a jamboree."
I like the way you think.
You don't sp...no, wait, you do. Sorry, forgot. I blame the flu and stress.
starch?
For laundry or for cooking.
And if for cooking
rice starch,
corn starch,
arrow root?
I just follow my girlfriend's advice and forget that there was a comic. Worked for League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen too.
Sorry, even forgetting League existed didn't help that movie for me.
It's more the look on the mother when the step van full of decorations pulls up to her vagina.
"Nuh uh. No balloon valances!"
Spray starch, extra heavy please. I've got sheets to mangle!
Naturepimp!
Snowbunnies, actually.
With husbands who drive great big SUV's.
Peter Stormare's Satan is deliciously bizarre.
Yes. Also his Volkswagen engineer and ride un-pimper.
That doesn't matter at all to me. Just find a surface for the pasta dishes, and I'm ready.
Excellent! Give me, umm... eight hours.
"No starch, please, we're British."
It's more the look on the mother when the step van full of decorations pulls up to her vagina.
And the decorator pulls up and wants to look inside.
Well whatever those monstrous things are.
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Canyoneros.
just follow my girlfriend's advice and forget that there was a comic.
More-or-less-On-T ---
I saw "City by the Sea" on cable today, and now I'm really interested in reading the original article (Esquire) where the story came from.
This is why I love DeNiro...if you have a kid yourself, and your heart isn't breaking whan you watch him in that role, then you just don't have a heart to begin with.
Peter Stormare's Satan is deliciously bizarre.
Yes. Also his Volkswagen engineer and ride un-pimper.
Indeed.
And didn't he also play the eye doctor in Minority Report? I love how that guy hams it up.
I would like to take this moment to say that it's 5:50 p.m. (approx.) and it's still light out!!!
Snowbunnies, actually.
With husbands who drive great big SUV's.
pie | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 5:50 pm | #
gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
lol
Extrapolation is the temptation of the devil. 'Might happen' isn't the same thing as 'will happen'. The only thing certain is change, and that much of it will be unexpected...
I'm pretty sure that's a 'folk memory.' Wagoneers? Not for like thirty years.
Yep, it was all those woodys back then. Of course if you said these days that the highways and byways were crowded with woodys, that would mean something entirely different.
Well whatever those monstrous things are.
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Canyoneros.
I seem to recall someone saying they always yell "Sorry about your penis!" at guys driving giant SUVs or fancy sports cars.
I would like to take this moment to say that it's 5:50 p.m. (approx.) and it's still light out!!!
The forces of darkness always lose in the end...
Well whatever those monstrous things are.
politica
"Expeditions" I think. I had to rent one of those coming back from Calgary, down thru Montana and cut over to Spokane. Thought I would die, thought I'd lose what little control of it I had and I'd end up flung off onto a Rocky. Awful vehicles, pointless, useless.
After Wolcott's write-up, I definitely wanna see "V for Vendetta".
Canyoneros.
mena | 03.04.06 - 5:51 pm | #
was that homer simpson's vehicle?
Wagoneers, probably not; Grand Cherokees, Damn likely.
I would like to take this moment to say that it's 5:50 p.m. (approx.) and it's still light out!!!
watertiger
And in a matter of a few weeks, we shall have the vernal equinox.
After Wolcott's write-up, I definitely wanna see "V for Vendetta".
Oh yes. And "Ultraviolet", for, um, very similar reasons...
I seem to recall someone saying they always yell "Sorry about your penis!" at guys driving giant SUVs or fancy sports cars.
God, I am so stealing that.
I'm pretty sure that's a 'folk memory.' Wagoneers? Not for like thirty years.
One of the local mechanic shops makes a fine living refurbishing those and other old large 4x4's, though I think part of his profit, is that the shop also puts in honking engines in them.
Escalades, cuz that makes the drivers Escaladers.
Escalades, cuz that makes the drivers Escaladers.
plantsman
At the strange intersection of Famous Rapper and Mafia Don....
And in a matter of a few weeks, we shall have the vernal equinox.
(closes eyes tightly, hopes ever-so-agonizingly for spring to fucking get here)
hey GWPDA: still there?
If we're through with blackcurrant jam for a while--and far be it from a gentleman to inform a lady of the fact--any suggestions on WWI history, Gallipoli and like that?
Whoa.
"Ju jitsu? I'm going to learn . . . ju jitsu?"
watertiger
[Neo suddenly opens his eyes]
Neo: I know...the hokey pokey!
Morpheus: We'll see about that.
[Heavy thumping distorted industrial beat]
Morpheus: Put your left foot in.
Neo: Put my left foot out.
Morpheus: Come on, Neo! Put your left foot in!
Neo: I'll shake it all about!
Morpheus: Turn yourself around!
Neo: That's what it's all about...whoa.
I would like to take this moment to say that it's 5:50 p.m. (approx.) and it's still light out!!!
And you'll be first to see the sunset, while I'll be near the end.
I love spring.
With husbands who drive great big SUV's.
that only have 2-wheel drive.
was that homer simpson's vehicle?
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Yep. Marge got all empowered in it.
Escalades, cuz that makes the drivers Escaladers.
You can call me anything you like, but don't call me Escalade for dinner.
I didn't know "Ultraviolet" was subversive like "V-for-etc".
I seem to recall someone saying they always yell "Sorry about your penis!" at guys driving giant SUVs or fancy sports cars.
==
Morpheus: Put your left foot in.
Neo: Put my left foot out.
Morpheus: Come on, Neo! Put your left foot in!
Neo: I'll shake it all about!
Morpheus: Turn yourself around!
Neo: That's what it's all about...whoa.
Stop *trying* to put your left foot in and put your left foot in!
Yeah. Lincoln and Cadillac trucks are, like, hopelessly gay and vulgar
And in a matter of a few weeks, we shall have the vernal equinox.
And the venal equinox, which is when a female ovum can be stood on end-quite the trick even for those into tantric sex.
I would like to take this moment to say that it's 5:50 p.m. (approx.) and it's still light out!!!
watertiger
And in a matter of a few weeks, we shall have the vernal equinox.
Juss wondering. Is there a vaginal equinox?
Expeditions. Those the ones with a lap pool and a shuffleboard court in the back?
Neo: That's what it's all about...whoa.
I put it to you: who amongst us DOESN'T love Uncle Smokes?
Stop *trying* to put your left foot in and put your left foot in!
Eli |
There is no left foot.
Neo: That's what it's all about...whoa.
Lucky for my keyboard, no coffee.
I didn't know "Ultraviolet" was subversive like "V-for-etc".
Um, yes. Yes, of course it is.
spinoza!
I'm scared.
Evangelicals want a biblically governed state.
I want evangelicals to go fuck themselves.
decorated fallopian tubes...how can you not love this place?
speaking of which: read my blog, or i'll paint the interior of your reproductive organs in dull, depressing colors. from wal mart.
speaking of which: read my blog, or i'll paint the interior of your reproductive organs in dull, depressing colors. from wal mart.
There's a uterine Wal-Mart?
Stop *trying* to put your left foot in and put your left foot in!
Eli
You must understand: There is no left foot.
that only have 2-wheel drive.
===
That have never rolled over dirt.
Stop *trying* to put your left foot in and put your left foot in!
I give up.
If we're through with blackcurrant jam for a while
You got black currant jam? I um, kinda need some. If you have any of course.
Great War History? Which kind? We got your European military, Far Eastern military, European political, some nice stuff in Commonwealth political with a side of military, African military, South African political, Middle Eastern all round, a little US intervention protectionist, a dab of medical and some general economic. South American business and minerals stuff too. And petroleum. Whatchoo need?
You must understand: There is no left foot.
But... there was a movie about it???
I love Uncle Smokes. He spurns my love, but there it is, all the same. 
Um, yes. Yes, of course it is.
Like I said...after a hundred or so comments I finally get it.
These are the other potentials. Love that Spoon and Cookie scene!
Juss wondering. Is there a vaginal equinox?
Shaw Kenawe, godless scum | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 5:56 pm | #
once a month
Juss wondering. Is there a vaginal equinox?
Is it before or after the hummer solstice?
I seem to recall someone saying they always yell "Sorry about your penis!" at guys driving giant SUVs or fancy sports cars.
God, I am so stealing that.
watertiger |
yesterday i parked next to a dirty black "h3" hummerthingy. i really, really wanted to take my finger and etch out "small penis" on the passenger side and back panels. i didn't...but only b/c i was in a hurry.
General J.C.'s recent experiences are sobering, even in the hard-core lib college town he lives in
I missed this. What happened?
Ah, poop. Jay C beat me to the obvious punchline.
I must go and prepare for someone's birthday party.
Take care of your good selves, and remember, the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about.
You must understand: There is no left foot.
"You're cute. Not too coordinated, but cute."
Does Arizona have enough water to double? Going from 5 to 10 million would seem to put the squeeze on. Ditto for Nevada. Not to mention another 15 million for California. At least they can desalinate.
And a giant serving of Bubble and Squeak for us all!
OK, I've been to corrente. My vas deferens is now safe from Color War.
(contemplates how many pints it will take to scrub THAT mental image)
Yeah. Lincoln and Cadillac trucks are, like, hopelessly gay and vulgar
plantsman
Once rode in a Porche SUV.
350 HP
.
157 mpg!
http://www.i4u.com/article5165.html
Ah, poop. Jay C beat me to the obvious punchline.
I am nothing if not mechanically obvious.
...so what's the deal with doubles luge anyway?
GWPda: in return for all the blackcurrant jam you can eat: looking for an introduction with a good bibliography so I can move on, fit for someone with a superficial knowledge of it. Sure, millions of books out there, but want to start someplace...
wow. i just realized (again) how short and hour becomes between reading the comments, writing an entry for you blog, and checking email. later, post-blastocyte amurkins. may you always have the right to paint your own sexual organs.
tavella---Gen. J.C. has said that there is an ongoing skinhead outbreak in his town. Said he's had to sleep with a shotgun at least once over the past few years. It's in his archives, prolly from about a month ago.
The hummer solstice...
And once a month vaginal equinox...
You guys...
I bow before you...
Does Arizona have enough water to double? Going from 5 to 10 million would seem to put the squeeze on. Ditto for Nevada.
AZ will. Nevada does not. California does not. The Water Compact of 1913(?) dictates - and the CAP provides. California however is at its max. Nevada has the same allocation that it was entitled to in 1913. Woopsies....
I love Uncle Smokes. He spurns my love, but there it is, all the same.
mena
This is entirely true. Mena spoke of this to me when we got together in Seattle.
hummers ... the devil's transportation
SUVs... rolling obscenities
I love Uncle Smokes. He spurns my love, but there it is, all the same.
mena
I don't spurn your love--I keep it on a shelf like a cuddly stuffed animal, taking it down and hugging it when I get scared.
Avory Lovins has pointed out for years how off-the=shelf technology could drastically increase gas mileage fairly quickly, were there economic or political will to do so...
The hummer solstice...
You guys...
I bow before you...
It's TODAY???
Evening, all.
Anything irksome happen since the
last thread?
Oh Tena. I wish we could get together right now and smoke legally somewhere in public. *sigh*
Note to self: avoid Missouri.
Parents Complain About Book's Undertones
SAVANNAH, Mo. - A children's book about two male penguins that raise a baby penguin has been moved to the nonfiction section of two public library branches after parents complained it had homosexual undertones.
The illustrated book, "And Tango Makes Three," is based on a true story of two male penguins, named Roy and Silo, who adopted an abandoned egg at New York City's Central Park Zoo in the late 1990s.
Evening, all.
Anything irksome happen since the
last thread?
steve simels
I think I had a vaginal equinox.
Early.
Woopsies....
The Republican plan for America, in a nutshell.
Oh Tena. I wish we could get together right now and smoke legally somewhere in public. *sigh*
Well, sure, now that you know he doesn't spurn you...
AZ will. Nevada does not. California does not. The Water Compact of 1913(?) dictates - and the CAP provides. California however is at its max. Nevada has the same allocation that it was entitled to in 1913. Woopsies....
How does the CAP water taste? I remember towns like Gila Bend and Ajo having dastardly brackish water that was nearly undrinkable and full of lime-y sediment.
Gol dang!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/
usatoday...ngledupinticket
FEMA critic's shirt gets him tangled up in ticket
By Laura Parker, USA TODAY Fri Mar 3, 7:57 AM ET
Ridiculing the Federal Emergency Management Agency is high art in the Gulf Coast areas where Hurricane Katrina hit last year.
(snip)
George Barisich, president of the United Commercial Fisherman's Association, has been selling anti-FEMA T-shirts since last fall, a reflection of his frustration with the federal government's response to the storm that left him homeless and unemployed.
But on Feb. 1, when he handed a shirt to a fellow Katrina victim as he was picking up canned goods at a charity's relief tent, Barisich found himself in trouble with the government.
He was cited by a group of Homeland Security officials for selling a T-shirt on federal property (snip)
Barisich, 49, says he didn't sell the shirt, which said: "Flooded by Katrina! Forgotten by FEMA! What's Next, Mr. Bush?" He says he gave it away.
Good Golly, Miss Molly, but some Feds have mighty thin skin. Can't go to a Bush rally or speech wearing an anti-maladministration T-shirt. Now, can't hand 'em out near FEMA Feds.
Sheesh.
Aw, Thanks Unca Smokes!
It's TODAY???
He's going to have to be stopped.
Does Arizona have enough water to double? Going from 5 to 10 million would seem to put the squeeze on. Ditto for Nevada. Not to mention another 15 million for California. At least they can desalinate.
Mudge
Retirement of agricultural land via development frees up a tremendous amount of water. Cotton takes 4 times the water of homes on the same land.
Palo Verde Nuclear Plant is set to close down around 2018 unless they extend its life, which at this point is probably a good idea considering the cheap power.
That will free up an untold amount of water for irrigation of current golf courses.
Scottsdale is building a water recycling plant right now.
Flush me a drink!
Maybe 12 million will fit.
after parents complained it had homosexual undertones.
Hello?
How many parents complained?
How many parents did not complain?
Oh Tena. I wish we could get together right now and smoke legally somewhere in public. *sigh*
mena
Oh me too.
We could meet halfway, in Colorado. (Ok, that's not halfway, but it's closer to you...). They are only now getting around to being tobacco Nazis there.
Hmmm, I scored as Stargate SG1, though I have no idea what that means...
I love Uncle Smokes. He spurns my love, but there it is, all the same.
mena | 03.04.06 - 5:59 pm | #
Chopped liver I am?
hey res: howzitgoin?
Then there was the time the Catholics, and others, forced New York City to rescind its invitation to Bertrand Russell to guest-prof at City College...
Chopped liver I am?
==
Yoda?
dastardly brackish water that was nearly undrinkable and full of lime-y sediment.
plantsman
Ummmmmm. Undrinkable dastardly brackish, lime-y sedimenty water.
Chopped liver I am?
You're now beginning to talk like Yoda? Is there a history of senile dementia in your family?
Avory Lovins has pointed out for years how off-the=shelf technology could drastically increase gas mileage fairly quickly, were there economic or political will to do so...
What would replace the self-esteem enhancers, penis gourds?
Chopped liver I am?
That's rorschach.
OT, but very important: the first round of Koufax Awards voting has begun. You might recognize some names in the various categories.
I will Paypal 20 dollars to anybody who votes for me, so long as they are pure of heart and not actually doing it for the money.
Good Golly, Miss Molly, but some Feds have mighty thin skin. Can't go to a Bush rally or speech wearing an anti-maladministration T-shirt. Now, can't hand 'em out near FEMA Feds.
Yah, I'm fair sick of this shit my own self.
Does Arizona have enough water to double?
For a while, perhaps, though the Oglalalla Aquifer is being used non=sustainably these days.
Worse in China, where Beijing's water isn't sustainable...
Hello?
How many parents complained?
The same number that threw cookies at Michael Steele?
The same number of teachers at Harvard who Lawrence Summers said refused to teach?
The same number that booed at the Paul Wellstone memorial?
The same number that use abortion as birth control?
Yoda?
Sure.
I thought it was funny at the time....
Does Arizona have enough water to double?
Ditto for Colorado. People have been streaming into that state.
And I don't think there is enough water.
I will Paypal 20 dollars to anybody who votes for me, so long as they are pure of heart and not actually doing it for the money.
Some of us have nothing to worry about...
I put it to you: who amongst us DOESN'T love Uncle Smokes?
watertiger
I can't stand him. When he says "goodbye" on a thread, he never leaves.
Everything has homosexual undertones. 's what undertones are all about.
I will Paypal 20 dollars to anybody who votes for me, so long as they are pure of heart and not actually doing it for the money.
Hmmm.
I'm definitely pure of heart, but 20 bucks is sure an incentive.
Re: state population projections:
what about Alaska? why so much higher? or has someone already said somehting about this?
Oh Tena. I wish we could get together right now and smoke legally somewhere in public. *sigh*
mena
Wouldn't it be grand.
Plumbers are still working!
I will Paypal 20 dollars to anybody who votes for me, so long as they are pure of heart and not actually doing it for the money.
How about some chocolate instead?
what about Alaska? why so much higher? or has someone already said somehting about this?
pinechee
Nascent bridge-building industry.
I could have sworn I had seen this spider movie before, but nothing's really ringing any bells...
Hm. Our intrepid spidery (intrepidery?) hero appears to have webbed himself to the ceiling in his sleep...
ProfWombat -
I'm about to make some folks testy.
Winston Churchill: The World Crisis, 1911-1918: The Aftermath, 4 volumes.
Albert Hourani: The Emergence of the Modern Middle East
Ronald Hyam: Britain's Imperial Century, 1815- 1914, a Study of Empire and Expansion
Robert Graves: Goodbye to All That
Christopher Andrew: Her Majesty's Secret Service: The Making of the British Intelligence COmmunity
miscellaneous: www.gwpda.org
FEMA critic's shirt gets him tangled up in ticket
By Laura Parker, USA TODAY Fri Mar 3, 7:57 AM ET
There are a whole lot more Federal Barney Fifes than Sherrif Taylors. Or Fitzes...
I love Uncle Smokes. He spurns my love, but there it is, all the same.
mena
I don't spurn your love--I keep it on a shelf like a cuddly stuffed animal, taking it down and hugging it when I get scared. Uncle Smokes
Oy vey. Listen to this. A beautiful girl loves him and he keeps it on a shelf?! Your shelves will be full and I'll die without a grandchild.
res, I love you.
How does the CAP water taste? I remember towns like Gila Bend and Ajo having dastardly brackish water that was nearly undrinkable and full of lime-y sediment.
plantsman
Not as bad as Salt River water, which has cyanide in it from the Pinto Creek debacle of 1998. Mining tailings dam broke.
CAP water is kinda salty, but not as horrible as the trans-Pecos poison pumped out of the ground in Ft.Stockton, Texas. UGH!
Ummmmmm. Undrinkable dastardly brackish, lime-y sedimenty water.
You woulda hadda taste it. I do not exaggerate.
But the good news is that they had a late snow dump up in Lake City. So much snow has fallen that there have been 20 small snowslides in one place on the road from the highway to my place on the lake.
The water content of the snow is really high, too. We are at 95% of our water content capacity, apparently.
I can't tell you how happy that makes me. The wildflowers are going to be incredible next summer, provided the snow melts.
after parents complained it had homosexual undertones.
When will people like this be ignored, laffed at and/or shunned?
WHEN?
There must be some kinna Equinox/Solstice for this kinna thing.
.
If America uses 25% of the world's resources for 5% of the population, as the economies of China and India modernize, there simply isn't a way to raise most of the world to our 'standard' of living without wreaking ecological havoc on the planet. Solutions presently unenvisioned will inevitably supervene. The question, as always with change, is how many will be hurt, and how to minimize that...
Hmmm, I scored as Stargate SG1, though I have no idea what that means...
I got this...
You scored as Enterprise D (Star Trek).
You have high ideals and know in your heart that humanity will continue to evolve in a better people. No matter what may happen, you have faith in human beings. A rare quality. Now if only the Borg would quit assimilating people.
When will people like this be ignored, laffed at and/or shunned?
WHEN?
As long as O'Reilly stays on the air, we know the time of sanity has not yet come.
Plumbers are still working!
ql in ny
Ach!
I have to finish getting dressed. Some in laws in town; dinner on us. Flory, you here? We're going to L'Ancestral. ( took flory to lunch there)
later, and kisses -
For me, it was "Serenity"...which is quaint, becuz I've seen it exactly once.
Does Arizona have enough water to double?
For a while, perhaps, though the Oglalalla Aquifer is being used non=sustainably these days.
AZ doesn't have the Oglala. That's NM. We have the Central Arizona Project and the Water Compact of 1913(?). We're drylanders here and we know it, plan for it, figure for it and know where every single drop is coming from. California, Nevada, Colorado - not so much. AZ - come across the border and try to nip our water and you're going to have big time trouble.
Wow, Pitchforks and Torches--have to wait only 3 years!
157mpg, wowser.
Hm. Our intrepid spidery (intrepidery?) hero appears to have webbed himself to the ceiling in his sleep...
Eli
I hate when that happens.
Tarmantula!
I bow before you...
Shaw Kenawe
Oh, say, while you're down there...
As long as O'Reilly stays on the air, we know the time of sanity has not yet
come.
Eli | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 6:15 pm | #
But he's losing it. That whole
security thing yesterday?
Seriously....he's going mental.
For me, it was "Serenity"...which is quaint, becuz I've seen it exactly once.
Dr. Uncle Cap'n Mr. Goto-san
Isn't "Serenity" a diaper? For big people?
Uncle Smokes Jewish Mother = what's not to love?
I am a homosexual undertone.
I'm also a gay New York penguin trapped in the body of a gay male South Dakota schmuck.
[Okay...time's truly up...gotta make myself presentable. Forget Queer Eye for the Straight Guy--where's a Fab Five for fashion-comatose, skin-care-ignorant fools like me?]
Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell. I think that about sums it up well. Kondrake calls them down the middle, he is no partisan.
Isn't "Serenity" a diaper? For big people?
"Because sometimes you have that not-so-serene feeling."
I bow before you...
Shaw Kenawe
Oh, say, while you're down there...
rorschach, chopped liver
But my head isn't flat enough for you to rest your beer on...
Juss wondering. Is there a vaginal equinox?
Shaw Kenawe, godless scum
Isn't that when there is just as much empty vagina as there is full vagina?
Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell.
And that's "pure shit" from a "pure shithead."
But my head isn't flat enough for you to rest your beer on...
Damn. I *am* going to have to clear a space for the pasta dishes...
Isn't "Serenity" a diaper? For big people?
Damn you! Now everyone will *know* it's not a spare tire!
(frantically looks for pleated slacks that don't look as big as they really are)
But my head isn't flat enough for you to rest your beer on...
Shaw Kenawe, godless scum
Nor are you likely to turn into a six pack and a pizza after midnight.
But my head isn't flat enough for you to rest your beer on...
Shaw Kenawe
Heh. I'll manage.
Dr. Strangelove is on TCM.
Doesn't seem like that much of a comedy these days.
Seriously....he's going mental.
==
Just now?
. Forget Queer Eye for the Straight Guy--where's a Fab Five for fashion-comatose, skin-care-ignorant fools like me?
It didn't test well in NORTH Dakota, so they killed the series. Sorry.
I can't tell you how happy that makes me. The wildflowers are going to be incredible next summer, provided the snow melts.
Tena
I love that about this state (TX not CO).
Thank you Lady Bird.
.
Then there was the time the Catholics, and others, forced New York City to rescind its invitation to Bertrand Russell to guest-prof at City College...
ProfWombat
2nd Amendment trumps the 1st Amendment. But you already knew that.
Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell.
Payback will be a bitch, motherfucker.
Isn't that when there is just as much empty vagina as there is full vagina?
Chocoloate Proton
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "empty vagina."
Morton Kondracke is also teh hot. Which
is why he you liberats don't like him,
but why real Americans do. The same real
Americans who are going to destroy you.
When? I'd be an idiot if I told you,
but I'll give you a hint -- sometime
on Tuesday. Probably during THE VIEW.
Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell.
For?
Susan Stamberg had an interesting piece on "You are what you cannot give up," and it's application to American society.
Maybe Mort needs to think about that.
2nd Amendment trumps the 1st Amendment. But you already knew that.
2nd and 5th are the only parts of the Bill Of Rights the Republicans have any love for.
Kondrake is a 'shithead'? He's a respected Washington journalist. He's been around forever. Far from a 'shithead', as you call him.
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "empty vagina."
Amen.
[bows head]
York City to rescind its invitation to Bertrand Russell
Russell,
that was who I was trying to remember yesterday.
Thanks prof W
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "empty vagina."
Homeless penises are pretty forlorn, too.
"I love Uncle Smokes. He spurns my love, but there it is, all the same.
mena"
you could have me in a second, which is probably why you aren't interested, but there it is...
Amen.
[bows head]
It's TODAY???
CAP water isn't potable. CAP water is for growing.
On the other hand, processed water isn't awfully potable. BUt that's why there are water machines on every corner, 25cents for a gallon! And it's not sticky!
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "empty vagina."
We'd happily fix that for you.
Every few years California comes up here to "their" Canada. They have the insane idea that the mouth of the Columbia is theirs for the taking.
As usual, SPE's comment consists entirely of irrelevancies.
2nd and 5th are the only parts of the Bill Of Rights the Republicans have any love for.
Eli
And then, only for the GOP; not for thee.
Seriously....he's going mental.
==
Just now?
mena | 03.04.06 - 6:19 pm | #
Actually, yeah. I think his innate
paranoia has metastisized.
He's now genuinely nuts.
IMHO.
jdw - your wife and I were just talking about that....
Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell.
Like the last 5 years haven't?
Oh and SPEEEEE, go away.
"Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell."
what the fuck have the last 6 years been, nirvana?
Payback will be a bitch, motherfucker.
res ipsa loquitur
Kondrake's 'hell' will be manifest by long lines at the gallows.
.
As usual, SPE's comment consists entirely of irrelevancies.
Damn it, I'm such a data geek whenever I see "SPE" I think of SONET's Synchronous Payload Envelope.
Every few years California comes up here to "their" Canada. They have the insane idea that the mouth of the Columbia is theirs for the taking.
I hope that works out for you!
ErinPDX - mailed your auxiliary oranges today.
"jdw - your wife and I were just talking about that....
mena"
i'm free on the days she disowns me...
But my head isn't flat enough for you to rest your beer on...
Shaw Kenawe, godless scum
It is for this reason alone that god made hats.
Kondrake is a 'shithead'? He's a respected Washington journalist. He's been around forever. Far from a 'shithead', as you call him.
Soaring Patriotic Eagle
Pardonez moi! He is a "been around forever Merd du tete!"
And then, only for the GOP; not for thee.
Yeah, I kinda predicted that in passing...
Susan Stamberg had an interesting piece on "You are what you cannot give up," and it's application to American society.
Rumor is that Susan Stamberg and Katie O'Bierne are going to mud wrestle over who has the worst speaking voice.
"Mort Kondrake of 'The Beltway Boys' on Fox News just said if the Democrats take over the House in the 2006 elections, the next two years will be pure hell."
Yeah, for the corrupt, lying motherfuckers in the GOP. Crying me a fucking river, beyotch.
Remember those old "tow icebergs down from the Arctic" fantasies?
AZ doesn't have the Oglala. That's NM. We have the Central Arizona Project and the Water Compact of 1913(?). We're drylanders here and we know it, plan for it, figure for it and know where every single drop is coming from. California, Nevada, Colorado - not so much. AZ - come across the border and try to nip our water and you're going to have big time trouble.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
is tucson still sinking? when i lived out there, water was the political topic of the day. they apparently had bottled water that was supposed to help the situation, but i heard it was as good.
water is definitely the limiting factor when considering growth. i suspect the census bureau either knows something the politicians don't or they didn't account for water resources. or they are assuming city planning rules will strengthen. that's crazy to think.
mort kondrake is a douchebag not a shithead
just to clarify
Kondrake's 'hell' will be manifest by long lines at the gallows.
==
Let's hear some hammering on those gallows, can we?
Remember those old "tow icebergs down from the Arctic" fantasies?
plantsman
Yep! Thank dog we won't have to worry about that one any longer!
Rumor is that Susan Stamberg and Katie O'Bierne are going to mud wrestle over who has the worst speaking voice.
I assume you mean for second place behind Rita?
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "empty vagina."
That's why tampons were invented.
Remember those old "tow icebergs down from the Arctic" fantasies?
Uh, no. My fantasies always involved women in zero-G.
Rumor is that Susan Stamberg and Katie O'Bierne are going to mud wrestle over who has the worst speaking voice
If Rita Cosby isn't in that fight it won't mean shit.
Tucson drinks at the end of the CAP straw. Only parts of town can sink, a lot is built on hard rock.
Rumor is that Susan Stamberg and Katie O'Bierne are going to mud wrestle over who has the worst speaking voice.
Sen. Susan Collins will win in a write-in campaign
And Stamberg's weird cranberry relish is a liberal Thanksgiving staple, not quite.
That's why tampons were invented.
Yes, that is the tampon's sole purpose in Hontlia-world.
That's why tampons were invented.
I wish you people would stay on the assigned topic.
how are all of these headlines connected
• Army to launch probe into Pat Tillman death
• Bush: Pakistan steadfast in war on terrorism
• In tape, al-Zawahri blasts prophet cartoons
• Gitmo documents show U.S. cast a wide net
• AP: Many defendants' cases kept secret
Let's hear some hammering on those gallows, can we?
(strains ear toward DSCC and DCCC)
Sorry, I got nothin'. Dr. Dean, where art thou?
Uh, no. My fantasies always involved women in zero-G.
==
Just stay clear of the ant farm, okay?
Take a look at this photo of Talking Heads.
Simels ... did you see this? It's a review of a book called "Rip it Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-1984."
Uh, no. My fantasies always involved women in zero-G.
==
Just stay clear of the ant farm, okay?
Protect the Queen!
Hmmm, I scored as Stargate SG1, though I have no idea what that means...
Doozer | 03.04.06 - 6:08 pm
Me, Babylon 5. (A citizen whose government chose the wrong side.)
Morton Kondracke is the finest
journalist -- indeed, the finest mind --
of his generation. What don't
you liberats
get about that? Okay, he looks creepy but
how is that important? Like George Bush
is cute? Real Americans get that. The
same real Americans that are coming to
get you liberats -- not saying when, but
it could be after John Stewarts opening
monologue tomorrow. Look out!
Yes, that is the tampon's sole purpose in Hontlia-world.
Which reminds me that I've been asked to do a fairly academic piece on the comments of threads as a form political discourse.
Protect the Queen!
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/04...lman/
index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Pentagon has directed the Army to open a criminal investigation into the death of former NFL star Pat Tillman, CNN learned on Saturday.
etc.
----
boy, I'll tell ya. Avoiding organizing receipts for the accountant certainly has kept me busy today - 4 bags to go to goodwill, kitchen closet de-cluttered...
Hanging of Republicans? Is that what he meant by two years of hell if the Dems take over? oh man. Would they really do it? I sure hope Brokeback Mountain wins an Oscar tomorrow night.
is that second long winded SPE
steve simels?
I thought that it was a cover up all along...from CNN's front page:
The Army will open a criminal investigation to determine whether former NFL player Pat Tillman's death in a 2004 friendly fire incident in Afghanistan was the result of negligent homicide, CNN learned Saturday. Tillman gave up a $3.6 million contract with the Arizona Cardinals to become an Army Ranger after September 11, 2001 terror attacks. Tillman was initially believed to have been killed by Taliban forces but an investigation revealed that fellow soldiers shot Tillman, thinking he was part of an enemy force firing at them.
Which reminds me that I've been asked to do a fairly academic piece on the comments of threads as a form political discourse.
Are you trying to tell us nicely to clean up our act?
Morton Kondracke is also teh hot. Which
is why he you liberats don't like him,
but why real Americans do. The same real
Americans who are going to destroy you.
When? I'd be an idiot if I told you,
but I'll give you a hint -- sometime
on Tuesday. Probably during THE VIEW
I just love death threats. The VIEW of what? Cheney's body lying in state?
Which reminds me that I've been asked to do a fairly academic piece on the comments of threads as a form political discourse.
Echidne of the snakes
The inane, mundane, and pointless is political?
Uh, no. My fantasies always involved women in zero-G.
Not crushed to death by K-Lo on Jupiter?
is tucson still sinking?
Here in wet SE TX, even, water is a problem. So much is pumped out of the sandy soil that sinking is a worry in the Houston area.
The plan is to rely more on surface water.
.
is tucson still sinking?
Here in wet SE TX, even, water is a problem. So much is pumped out of the sandy soil that sinking is a worry in the Houston area.
The plan is to rely more on surface water.
.
Tucson drinks at the end of the CAP straw. Only parts of town can sink, a lot is built on hard rock.
Pitchforks and Torches
let me guess, the sprawling parts of town are up in the mountains right? what about urban interface fire probs? need water to put them out right? water and fire. where's chertoff to teach/lecture us about weather patterns and how to balance them?
GWDPA!
Thanks and the cheque is in the mail!
They devoured them.
Here in wet SE TX, even, water is a problem.
Mmm... hot, wet, dirty SETX...
Echidne - er, think globally, act locally!
who can it be now?
Are you trying to tell us nicely to clean up our act?
Not at all. I'm enjoying the idea of writing the Eschaton threads up and seeing all those academic heads explode.
Echidne - er, think globally, act locally!
Kindly disregard my last comment.
'Enkew.
SPEE:
Your Dear Leader is approved of by less than 2/5's of the country, as is his dirty little war, his weak economy, and the VP is approved of ne LESS than 1/5 of the adults in this country.
OK, you're a true dead-ender. All of us get that.
Please go somewhere they want to smell your stuff.
Take a look at this photo of Talking Heads.
Simels ... did you see this? It's a review of a book called "Rip it Up and Start
Again: Postpunk 1978-1984."
res ipsa loquitur | 03.04.06 - 6:28 pm | #
Cool...thanks for the headsup.
BTW -- did I ever tell you that my
first ex-wife did the cover for
REMAIN IN LIGHT?
Here in wet SE TX, even, water is a problem. So much is pumped out of the sandy soil that sinking is a worry in the Houston area.
The plan is to rely more on surface water.
.
agave
i hope the planners are supporting funding the clean water act then
Not at all. I'm enjoying the idea of writing the Eschaton threads up and seeing all those academic heads explode.
Oh good, then we can continue with (along with the rest of the threads) to discuss the politics and joy of sex.
Which reminds me that I've been asked to do a fairly academic piece on the comments of threads as a form political discourse.
Be sure to mention the gay blastulas and that Atrios has trouble telling a tank from a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
So much is pumped out of the sandy soil that sinking is a worry in the Houston area.
Make that reality.
I can show you where the ground has "settled."
Including a house that is higher in the front than in the back. But it wasn't that way when it was built.
Cool...thanks for the headsup.
BTW -- did I ever tell you that my
first ex-wife did the cover for
REMAIN IN LIGHT?
Soaring Patriotic Eagle
*shakes head sadly*
Oops.
Res -- that was me....not SPE.
The
same real Americans that are coming to
get you liberats -- not saying when
I see we have a Sunni insurgent in the room. Intimidate. Hate. Justify.
Not crushed to death by K-Lo on Jupiter?
Oddly, no, although I really want to visit Jupiter.
who can it be now?
I sure could go for a vegemite sandwich.
BTW -- did I ever tell you that my
first ex-wife did the cover for
REMAIN IN LIGHT?
Soaring Patriotic Eagle |
SPE
secretly an artsy liberal
you read it here foist
The inane, mundane, and pointless is political?
Partly, true, but I was thinking more along the lines of the threads being partisan places where certain types of outsiders (trolls) enter and try to not participate in the discussion but to destroy it and what this means from a wider point of view, especially as the trolls are almost never good debaters.
Will it strengthen the gap between the political parties, for example? And what are the benefits of the "preaching to the choir" kind of talk we do, for there are many benefits.
Mmm....... Reddington Canyon, Mt Lemmon.
Oops -- I did it again.
Kindly disregard my last comment.
==
So you're saying I'm not hot, wet, and dirty?
Whew.
i hope the planners are supporting funding the clean water act then
pinechee
Lovely thought, that. However, since that would cost actual tax dollars, I'm just not seeing it in the future of Rethuglofascist America. I don't know how rich people plan on coping with the water problems, but at the source is not among the available options.
Rich people suck. Have I mentioned that?
The plan is to rely more on surface water.
.
agave
i hope the planners are supporting funding the clean water act then
pinechee
No. The Houston way is to build more impervious cover (roads, houses), and then send the water downstream to the poor suckers who were there when the development was built.
You'd have better luck getting out of Gitmo than suing a developer in Houston.
So you're saying I'm not hot, wet, and dirty?
Well, not *very* dirty.
Oops -- I did it again.
Simels is really Britney Spears!
disregard
the disgregardsing of the prior diregarding
the person who wrote that
has been sacked
I should have said, there when the development was being built.
Pre-existing houses are suckers in Houston. Don't like the run off? Move upstream to the newer houses.
Mmm....... Reddington Canyon, Mt Lemmon.
plantsman
i know a little about mt lemmon. i fought a fire there. started accidentally of course on forest service land.
Simels is really Britney Spears!
I think you mean Britney SPE...
No. The Houston way is to build more impervious cover (roads, houses), and then send the water downstream to the poor suckers who were there when the development was built.
Ummmm, then they'll be drinking the drippings off of houses and cars.
Yummy!
Come to think of it, I could just do a case study of the Soaring Eagle.
Watching the Food Channel and seeing people who were in the IT business, detail-oriented, who are now in the food business.
No person named Morton Kondracke is teh hot, even to his mom.
Oddly, my fantasies involve tampons in zero-G.
I think you mean Britney SPE...
Yeah, sorry. I'm not N'Sync right now.
Come to think of it, I could just do a case study of the Soaring Eagle.
Echidne of the snakes
Starring Woody Allen.
Oddly, my fantasies involve tampons in zero-G.
Dude. Just...dude.
So you're saying I'm not hot, wet, and dirty?
mena, well are you!
I think Ror is actually Prince Charles.
Situational awareness my tushie.
Come to think of it, I could just do a case study of the Soaring Eagle.
Good thing you're a prof, so you don't need to find a feces advisor.
Oddly, my fantasies involve tampons in zero-G.
Dude. Just...dude.
NTodd, Hoodlum
==
Oddly, my fantasies involve tampons in zero-G.
rorschach, chopped liver
Fine. Then I'll do the zen thing and contemplate the feeling of an empty vagina.
Morton Kondracke
It sounds like someone crunching on pebbles.
Speedway, Broadway, Whoopi's house from "Boys on the Side" - there's a lot about Tucson to like.
re: houston planning to use more surface water for tap water.
do the policy makers not know about surface water contaminating drinking water? that's why they should support the clean water act. not even talking about runoff.
I think Ror is actually Prince Charles.
NTodd
Heh.
Fine. Then I'll do the zen thing and contemplate the feeling of an empty vagina.
What is the sound of one fallopian tubing?
I was so lazy that I just popped Fantasia up on my iPod (playing through the TV). It still freaks me out that Centaurettes have no nipples.
Come to think of it, I could just do a case study of the Soaring Eagle.
Echidne of the snakes'
compare and contrast
reality vs. SPE
mena, well are you!
doug,
==
I only go for one, maybe two of those. I'm not saying which.
Have I mentioned that I don't want to organize these papers?
(looks around for something else to clean)
Then I'll do the zen thing and contemplate the feeling of an empty vagina.
Chocoloate Proton
What is the sound of one vagina with the clap?
What is the sound of one fallopian tubing?
Ovary nice.
I only go for one, maybe two of those. I'm not saying which.
I'll have to meditate on this awhile.
(looks around for something else to clean)
Mustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipes...
(looks around for something else to clean)
You know, my pipes need cleaning...
Mustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipes...
Chump.
*offering watertiger her piles of laundry*
Partly, true, but I was thinking more along the lines of the threads being partisan places where certain types of outsiders (trolls) enter and try to not participate in the discussion but to destroy it and what this means from a wider point of view, especially as the trolls are almost never good debaters.
Since your audience is academics, let me play devil's advocate for the "troll" and point out that orthodoxy is ruthlessly maintained on threads, and even friends of the community can find themselves on the wrong end of the discussion if they veer from the "party line."
The "wider point of view," IOW, is sometimes neither encouraged nor permitted. It is, in fact, actively discouraged, more often than not.
The forum itself drives that, it seems.
Laundry. Damn. I'd forgotten.
Chump.
Yes, but at least I'll still have all my parts at the end of the day.
(looks around for something else to clean)
Mustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipes...
Eli
(looks around for something else to clean)
You know, my pipes need cleaning...
NTodd, Hoodlum
Mustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipesmustnotsaypipes...
Chump.
NTodd, Hoodlum
Dooooods.
What you do with the fallopian tubes is arrange sledride competitions to see which egg wins, the one from the right ovary or the one from the left ovary. But you must cheer.
I was so lazy that I just popped Fantasia up on my iPod (playing through the TV). It still freaks me out that Centaurettes have no nipples.
You can send a contribution to my Ladies Nipple Auxilary. We have give the gift of nippledom to many centaurettes. We even gave a brace of them to Phyllis Schafly so she could nurse a bevy of young republicans at once.
They range in size from "gerbil cute" to "elephant generous."
-Liddy Dole
Yes, but at least I'll still have all my parts at the end of the day.
==
you have you a rep, girl!
speaking of distopian movies, this site has an AVI copy of the Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" as a free download.
http://publicdomaintorrents.com/...tml?
movieid=182
the site.
http://publicdomaintorrents.com/...ml?
category=ALL
What you do with the fallopian tubes is arrange sledride competitions to see which egg wins, the one from the right ovary or the one from the left ovary. But you must cheer.
Echidne of the snakes
I'm OK with that, but I want good seats.
what does IOW mean?
Dooooods.
What?
Ovary nice.
NTodd, Hoodlum
Ovary Young--Cat Stevens
speaking of distopian movies, this site has an AVI copy of the Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" as a free download.
Oh, sweet. Stephen Hawking was talking about dystopian stories on my last podcast.
what does IOW mean?
In Other Words...
Yes, but at least I'll still have all my parts at the end of the day.
Always the optimist.
It still freaks me out that Centaurettes have no nipples.
NTodd, Hoodlum | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 6:41 pm | #
Not the ones I've dated.....
what does IOW mean?
pinechee
Iggy Owes Wynonna!
Since your audience is academics, let me play devil's advocate for the "troll" and point out that orthodoxy is ruthlessly maintained on threads, and even friends of the community can find themselves on the wrong end of the discussion if they veer from the "party line."
So true. I've stepped in it myself many times, and there was that months-long period where few would speak to me. Really played hell with my self-esteem.
what does IOW mean?
pinechee
In and Out, Weenie?
Okay, clean house, taken care of company. Time for my previously scheduled nap on the couch. I gotta look after my precious bodily fluids.
Careful, they're ruffled!
Since your audience is academics, let me play devil's advocate for the "troll" and point out that orthodoxy is ruthlessly maintained on threads, and even friends of the community can find themselves on the wrong end of the discussion if they veer from the "party line."
The "wider point of view," IOW, is sometimes neither encouraged nor permitted. It is, in fact, actively discouraged, more often than not.
The forum itself drives that, it seems.
But that is partly because of the community aspect of these forums/fora.
Too much disagreement would break the community up, and I have seen this happen in other places, although much depends on how the disagreement proceeds and how nasty the participants get.
Ovary
you came
and you gave without taking
so they sent you away
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
GWPDA-
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the west as a whole (excepting western Oregon and Washington and Nortern California), is living on MINED water, that is, drilling wells, rather than living off the water which falls from the sky.
Of course, this has been true since at least the American conquest.
Once the mined water is gone, I think the West will revert to the uninhabited land it was meant to be.(Other than by true desert rats, that is. )
do the policy makers not know about surface water contaminating drinking water? that's why they should support the clean water act. not even talking about runoff.
pinechee
They persist in the belief that the rich drink clean water, and they don't care what the rest of the city drinks.
Careful, they're ruffled!
Little Brøther
okay "Buzz" if thbat is your real name
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
Little Men.
Which reminds me that I've been asked to do a fairly academic piece on the comments of threads as a form political discourse.
Echidne
Is that what they're calling it these days.
amazing
you have you a rep, girl!
It's so unfair, this labelling.
what?
Just . . . dooooods!
Ovary
you came
and you gave without taking
so they sent you away
==
Olexicon maybe needs to be stopped, too.
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
Bush's state of the union address -pick any one.
Me, Babylon 5. (A citizen whose government chose the wrong side.)
Me, Moya (Farscape, and surrounded by muppetts).
.
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
rorschach, odd fantasist
"a charge to keep"
by georeg w bush
Just . . . dooooods!
Don't look at me, I didn't say anything.
Hello lovely moonbats
They persist in the belief that the rich drink clean water, and they don't care what the rest of the city drinks.
They drink bottled water, but from the tests I've read of that product, it only tastes better, but isn't necessarily less contaminated.
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
"Tuesdays With Morrie."
Olexicon maybe needs to be stopped, too.
mena |
can't stop the rock
But that is partly because of the community aspect of these forums/fora.
Too much disagreement would break the community up, and I have seen this happen in other places, although much depends on how the disagreement proceeds and how nasty the participants get.
Echidne of the snakes
Hmmm..perhaps. My experience is that ruthless suppression of disagreement is the norm.
The Golden Rule, of course would be: "In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, diversity; in all things, charity." The last actually covers the first two, but that's a different discussion.
The emphasis is usually on the first (not abnormal in any group, by any stretch), the latter usually leads to dissolution of the group if allowed any play at all.
But then we're veering off into sociology, and we don't want to go there....
Okay, batses:
Going off to quaff elitist blah blah
blah blah. You know the drill.
Have fun, and perhaps I'll irk you
folks later this evening....
They drink bottled water, but from the tests I've read of that product, it only tastes better, but isn't necessarily less contaminated.
doug
One of the many ironies of being rich is that it doesn't improve your reading comprehension or make you any smarter.
Tusedays with maury povich!
Farscape was one helluva show: Great Make-up and Costumes, even on the humans.
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
"Chicken Soup for the Soul."
Tusedays with maury povich!
==
"That baby looks like everybody BUT me!"
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
"The World is Flat."
"Chicken Soup for the Soul."
watertiger
Bwah!!
You are cracking my shit up today, watertiger. Quit it before I develop a crush!
Hello, Moonbootica.
You were being asked about much earlier today, on threads about the godly PM.
I suggested that you were coping with a fierce hangover, and perhaps driving the double-decker porcelain bus. And I believe you were expecting your dad for a visit.
I hope everything got sorted out satisfactorily.
Boise is one of the fastest growing cities, but most of the population growth is from blue states like California and Washington.
"Worst" as in, "most unpleasant vision of things", or as in "reading this crap makes me want to stick needles in my eyes?"
Quit it before I develop a crush!
It won't help.
So Wal-Mart is going to sell Plan B?
Wingnut on teevee, "This is reprehensible; the pro-life movement is stronger than ever."
And from same report, FDA is likely to approve over the counter sale of Plan B ... but not until after this year's election.
Quit it before I develop a crush!
Mwa-hahahaha! My plan is working!
Peggy noonan's new book on the pope!
You are cracking my shit up today, watertiger.
You're just overtired, that's all.
Hmmm..perhaps. My experience is that ruthless suppression of disagreement is the norm.
The Golden Rule, of course would be: "In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, diversity; in all things, charity." The last actually covers the first two, but that's a different discussion.
There is suppression, true, and to me it came as a surprise. I believe that the suppression tends to work in the essentials part in, say, this community, mostly, and of course we may differ in what we see as the essentials.
That's why I was thinking that I should try to find some "neutral" blogs to see if their comments threads look more like political debate might look. But I'm not sure there are neutral blogs in politics.
"Worst" as in, "most unpleasant vision of things", or as in "reading this crap makes me want to stick needles in my eyes?"
Dr. Uncle Cap'n Mr. Goto-san
The latter.
It won't help.
Eli
That's what I was afraid of...
It won't help.
Eli |
Oh, you.
It's so sad. You start out as an idealistic young superhero, and then the next thing you know, you're cocooning people up in the basement and sucking their bodily fluids...
"Ovary"
by steve perry
Little Brøther i can safely say I have been out all day with my father at a rugby match.
Bath lost :0( by 1 point! Bath 26 Llanelli 27
my dad is currently asleep.
It's so sad. You start out as an idealistic young superhero, and then the next thing you know, you're cocooning people up in the basement and sucking their bodily fluids...
Eli
story of my life, bro
That's why I was thinking that I should try to find some "neutral" blogs to see if their comments threads look more like political debate might look. But I'm not sure there are neutral blogs in politics.
Echidne of the snakes
When I was on "Table Talk" at Salon, back in the free days, "Politics" was the section that everyone else drove through with their doors locked, and they didn't stop for the lights.
And we liked it that way!
I'm not sure there are neutral blogs in politics.
At Oliver Willis' place the atmosphere definitely isn't "neutral", but IMHO there seem to be about an even balance of strident righties to strident lefties. That might be about as close as you'll get.
That's why I was thinking that I should try to find some "neutral" blogs to see if their comments threads look more like political debate might look. But I'm not sure there are neutral blogs in politics.
Umm... Ann Althouse?
Just ask her!
Have fun, and perhaps I'll irk you
folks later this evening....
steve simels
I loves me some liberal irking by stever!
You're just overtired, that's all.
watertiger
Nah. I'm always overtired, so that's not a variable here.
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
"The O'Reilly Factor for Kids."
Just . . . dooooods!
I was just trying to help.
[pouts]
Have fun, and perhaps I'll irk you
folks later this evening....
steve simels
I loves me some liberal irking by stever!
Steve is indeed a powerful irker - a veritable Irkules.
What is the worst dystopian novel you've ever read?
rorschach,
The Parable of the Sower, Octavia Butler
She took all the libertarian no tax crap and followed it to its logical conclusion. Scary stuff.
sandiaman
People in ABQ used to believe they lived on top of a huge lake. One guy I talked to thought if you dug down deep enough, you could scuba dive in it.
There was a study done decades ago, sponsored or requested by Dominici, that concluded that humans had no impact on the aquifer.
Right.
.
There is suppression, true, and to me it came as a surprise. I believe that the suppression tends to work in the essentials part in, say, this community, mostly
I used to go to an IRC chat line that had as it's base value to accept every and all beliefs. It blew up when the moderator on it refused to ban certain individuals that were being purposefully disruptive. Now all there is there is a sullen header at the top and no discussion.
Have fun, and perhaps I'll irk you
folks later this evening....
steve simels
I loves me some liberal irking by stever!
Steve is indeed a powerful irker - a veritable Irkules.
Eli
Steve Irkules?
Next thing you know they'll be naming a cereal after him...
http://bluenadia6.diaryland.com/.../
betteroff.html
The Parable of the Sower, Octavia Butler
She took all the libertarian no tax crap and followed it to its logical conclusion. Scary stuff.
I assume you're going with the "most horrific" interpretation, not the "most poorly-written crap" one, correct?
Fantastic book, but bleak and depressing as hell.
The Parable of the Sower, Octavia Butler
She took all the libertarian no tax crap and followed it to its logical conclusion. Scary stuff.
Interesting... Never read that one, and it doesn't sound like the Butler I know...
so steve irkles?
I was just trying to help.
[pouts]
there, there. (pats NTodd's arm)
I see the Army has been ordered to "launch a probe" into Tillman's death. I've several questions. First, why the fuck does this have to sound like Star Trek? Can't they just say "We're setting up a whitewash" like everyone else?
Second, why does Tillman rate more than any of the rest of those who have been killed by the All-Conquering Military Killing Machine? Is he related to Bush?
Third, how soon do you suppose the results will come back that no one was at fault?
So Wal-Mart is going to sell Plan B?
Yes, with the proviso that the Wal-Mart Greeter will be permitted to refuse to direct Plan B customers who ask where the pharmacy is, if the Greeter conscientiously objects to the use of birth control.
They will have to find their own way to the store pharmacy, or leave.
Steve Irkules?
Next thing you know they'll be naming a cereal after him...
You need to do a better job of working the "Steve" into it...
Bush praises Pakistan terror role
US President George W Bush has praised Pakistan's role in the war on terror, but said more needed to be done to defeat al-Qaeda.
Speaking during a 24-hour visit, Mr Bush reaffirmed a "broad and lasting strategic partnership" with Pakistan.
He also said he believed the future of Pakistan lay in democracy.
Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said he looked forward to a new era of co-operation between his country and the US.
Boise is one of the fastest growing cities, but most of the population growth is from blue states like California and Washington.
thehim
Boise is a very nice little city.
Third, how soon do you suppose the results will come back that no one was at fault?
Chocoloate Proton
Flunkies will be punished. Justice will be served.
Remain calm. All is well.
That's why I was thinking that I should try to find some "neutral" blogs to see if their comments threads look more like political debate might look. But I'm not sure there are neutral blogs in politics.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 6:54 pm | #
You could try Obsidian Wings. Though half of their energy is spent arguing about whether or not they're breaking the posting rules against ad hominem with regards to one another ("Saying an idea, is stupid isn't saying you're stupid, you moron!"). Though they really only have liberals and sneeringly clear-eyed people on the center right of the spectrum. And the batshit insane Charles Bird.
there, there. (pats NTodd's arm)
That's not my arm.
SPROING!
I see the Army has been ordered to "launch a probe" into Tillman's death. I've several questions. First, why the fuck does this have to sound like Star Trek? Can't they just say "We're setting up a whitewash" like everyone else?
Second, why does Tillman rate more than any of the rest of those who have been killed by the All-Conquering Military Killing Machine? Is he related to Bush?
Third, how soon do you suppose the results will come back that no one was at fault?
Chocoloate Proton
Gawd! I wish the army would "launch a probe" up Rummy's ass.
First, why the fuck does this have to sound like Star Trek? Can't they just say "We're setting up a whitewash" like everyone else?
So, you prefer Tom Sawyer to Star Trek?
I used to go to an IRC chat line that had as it's base value to accept every and all beliefs. It blew up when the moderator on it refused to ban certain individuals that were being purposefully disruptive. Now all there is there is a sullen header at the top and no discussion.
I've seen the same development in all the feminist forums/fora that refused to moderate. They all ended dead, even the wingnut ones. It was sort of funny to see the wingnut ones at the end only having the most woman-hating posters left when their whole intention was to show how fair and reasonable they are.
Eschaton doesn't have that problem because there aren't enough trolls to do that, though some nights all there is on a thread is jack.
i wanna gets nme some c3po's
or possibly Jackie-Os
how soon do you suppose the results will come back that no one was at fault?
FWIW, I find the whole "whodunit" aspect way less interesting than the widespread ignoring of Tillman's professed beliefs about the stupidity of the whole military misadventure.
Vermont and Ohio have similar problems and their governors are trying the same idea. Turning their respective states into new "silicon valleys". How they are going to do that while tech jobs are moving to India is a mystery to me.
If vacation real estate is the only growth industry then they need to figure out a way to take advantage of it to help the state's budget.
when we were waiting at the train station a bunch of Llanelli supporters started shouting back at the Bath supporters when they started singing 'swing low sweet chariot' by replying 'shove your chariot up your arse'
"launch a probe" into Tillman's death. I've several questions. First, why the fuck does this have to sound like Star Trek?
If it wasn't for the guys needless death, I'd have more to add,
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The Parable of the Sower, Octavia Butler
She took all the libertarian no tax crap and followed it to its logical conclusion. Scary stuff.
ql in ny
Hey! That would've been my pick as well.
Are we related?
Agave, accidental texan-
Yep, I remember that story about ABQ sitting on top of Lake Superior very well.
It's amazing how a well run chamber of commerce PR campaign can overwhelm common sense.
Hi.
You need to do a better job of working the "Steve" into it...
I saw that Google hit, but I liked *my* picture better. Nyaaaah.
Riffing on Glenn Greenwald's excellent post about Bill Frist's threat to unilaterally change the Senate Intelligence Committee’s rules to cut out the minority’s role unless the ranking Democrat, Jay Rockefeller, caves in on his demand for hearings on the warrantless NSA spying program, which Atrios posted on below:
Blogwhoring for justice, I've got a link to Glenn's post, plus talking points and contact info for all the key players: Frist, Reid, Roberts, Rockefeller, Snowe and Hagel, right here.
Snowe and Hagel appear to be holding firm, but the pressure on them to flip has got to be enormous. Filling their voicemails by Monday morning -- in DC and local offices, all the info's there -- has to help.
Plus, I've posted a copy of Rockefeller's very reasonable motion for hearings here.
/blogwhoring. But it's important. Consider making some calls, please? Thanks!
Hi Zap!
Thanks for the suggestions of blogs to look at. Obsidian Wings and Oliver Willis are good ones to check out. Now, Althouse I'm not so sure about..
why does Tillman rate more than any of the rest of those who have been killed by the All-Conquering Military Killing Machine?
He doesn't, but he was apparently killed by friendly fire, and there was a big todo about his death earlier. Don't knock it just because he was an NFL star, either--cuts both ways.
Bath lost :0( by 1 point! Bath 26 Llanelli 27
My condolences. But it's not so bad; it obviously was a close loss.
If it had been, say, Bath 6 Llanelli 27, it would really have to be said that your team had taken a Bath.
(stands up, rapidly backs out of room)
So, you prefer Tom Sawyer to Star Trek?
rorschach, odd fantasist
Well, I do like the fact that Tom Sawyer was sold as straight up fiction, unlike the sales job on the Tillman Probe, though it, too, will be based on events in some author's imagination.
So Wal-Mart is going to sell Plan B?
Well, Wal-Mart is already "government property," so...
I saw that Google hit, but I liked *my* picture better. Nyaaaah.
I had actually seen the Sneeze one before (the whole "Don't Eat It" thing is brilliant) - that's what I expected your link to be...
all good natured tho.
unlike say football crowds, which can seem quite agressive, rugby crowds are much more mellow.
yes there is lots of drink but hardly any hoolagalism which plagues football
Next thing you know they'll be naming a cereal after him...
You need to do a better job of working the "Steve" into it...
Eli | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 7:02 pm | #
Steve seems like a great guy and all, I just don't want any of him in my breakfast.
Just Sayin.
If vacation real estate is the only growth industry then they need to figure out a way to take advantage of it to help the state's budget.
Bluto W Bush
Having grown up in Ohio, it's got no chance in the vacation department.
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Fantastic book, but bleak and depressing as hell.
Eli
Yup. All of her books seem to have a thrown together ending, like she got bored and was ready to move on to the next project. But it certainly was depressing, I think, because it seems so very possible.
I would have to guess that the Atriots tend towards a collective self-honesty (sometimes known as whining) that enables them to fight like dogs and cats, in the tom & Jerry sense. 'Tis rare, and will attract the like-minded as well as the snipers. In our case, the trolls' intellect seems lacking because, well, they're pretty fucking stupid.
I wish the army would "launch a probe" up Rummy's ass.
They'd have to give orders to make this happen. None would be willing to volunteer for this death march.
Now, Althouse I'm not so sure about..
I'm fascinated by the phenomenon of obvious right-wingers staking out a position as "moderate" or "nonpartisan" solely by virtue of their say-so.
Hey, y'all!
Late to the thread, but I'm back in town and ready to roll!
Having grown up in Ohio, it's got no chance in the vacation department.
I found it interesting through the train windows en route to Chicago.
Little Brøther thats true.
we played well during the 1st half but seemed to fall to pieces during the second.
my dad stopped being angry when his team lost a match, many years ago, he says he has mellowed in his old age.
my dad also does not like Twickenham Stadium (where finals are held).
the Cardiff Millenium stadium is a much better place to watch rugby, better views.
unlike say football crowds, which can seem quite agressive, rugby crowds are much more mellow.
yes there is lots of drink but hardly any hoolagalism which plagues football
Didn't someone say, "Football is a game for gentlemen watched by hooligans", and vice versa for rugby?
ready to roll!
Roll one for me, baby.
Well, this is my last unemployed weekend. Should I get the apartment really clean and organized, or should I just drink a lot?
So, someone from the American Lung Association posted something on my blog today about smoking. Does that qualify as a "concern troll"?
I'm fascinated by the phenomenon of obvious right-wingers staking out a position as "moderate" or "nonpartisan" solely by virtue of their say-so.
I don't have any idea what you're talking about. I personally am intellectually challenged by reading centrist viewpoints, like Mao's "Little Red Book", as well as extremely fringe liberal fare, like Goldwater's "Conscience of a Conservative" or Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".
I'm fascinated by the phenomenon of obvious right-wingers staking out a position as "moderate" or "nonpartisan" solely by virtue of their say-so.
Yes. I just started noticing this. The trick is not to say fucking anything but to use nice words to cover up really wingnutty statements.
Having grown up in Ohio, it's got no chance in the vacation department.
Um, how about the natural disaster department?
Are we related?
Diane
Well, now I know why you phone home more often!
Should I get the apartment really clean and organized, or should I just drink a lot?
Multitask.
Well, this is my last unemployed weekend. Should I get the apartment really clean and organized, or should I just drink a lot?
I think you know the answer to that.
Should I get the apartment really clean and organized, or should I just drink a lot?
Marcia Brady
Surely, the latter.
Marcia, I may have a similar choice soon...I'm sure it's going to be the latter.
RMJ, seems that federalizing a WalMart is pretty much martial law, no?
it migh sound 'classist' but there is a reason why rugby crowds don' not have the same agressiveness attached.
football developed as a working class game
rugby came from the middle classes and public schools.
clearly both had a factor on the type of crowds the game draws.
has anyone written a 'science fiction' or 'speculative' fiction book about the 'jumbotron' being programmed from a distance; i.e. 'hacked?'
well i am totally tired so i am going to get some rest.
catch you all tomorrow!
There is no need for any of you to go upstairs. I fristed already.
It's amazing how a well run chamber of commerce PR campaign can overwhelm common sense.
sandiaman
When I responded to the guy that thought he could suba in the aquifer, with, Isn't more like wet dirt, the bartender snorted, trying to stifle a laff.
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He doesn't, but he was apparently killed by friendly fire, and there was a big todo about his death earlier. Don't knock it just because he was an NFL star, either--cuts both ways.
NTodd, Hoodlum
My point, and I'm rather fond of it, is that everyone who has been killed by the American military deserves an investigation (and not just the usual Pentagon whitewash). There is nothing about Tillman, in my view, that makes his case more compelling than any other, except the obvious pro-sports angle -- which I freely grant is totally bogus.
it migh sound 'classist' but there is a reason why rugby crowds don' not have the same agressiveness attached.
football developed as a working class game
rugby came from the middle classes and public schools.
clearly both had a factor on the type of crowds the game draws.
Moonbootica, Praetor
and then we have.....polo
Should I get the apartment really clean and organized, or should I just drink a lot?
As we've all learned from science, entropy tends to decrease over time as you drink, so drink a lot, and the apartment will take care of itself. Or at the very least you won't give a shit.
well, are we winning the War On T-shirts now?
Having grown up in Ohio, it's got no chance in the vacation department.
Um, how about the natural disaster department?
pie
the hurricanes are coming.
Eschaton doesn't have that problem because there aren't enough trolls to do that, though some nights all there is on a thread is jack.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 03.04.06 - 7:03 pm | #
Ted Smith probably came as close as any troll to forcing the comments into registration.
One interesting thing about the comments here is how much they've grown. It makes it very difficult to troll here effectively because it's so hard to get noticed by anyone other than who's currently reading the newest thread when there are multiple several-hundred comment threads in a day.
finally, some owls.
Speaking of not giving a shit, that's why the Tillman thing an be important in showing the sheeple the real side of that story. Anybody else, they're not going to give a shit.
I found it interesting through the train windows en route to Chicago
There used to be many Indian mounds in Ohio, though most of them have been ploughed under. Also the Hocking hills used to be nice before there was so much development there.
Great Serpent Mound pictures.
http://www.hp.uab.edu/image_arch.../up/
mound01.jpg
http://www.peabody.harvard.edu/
p...rpent_mound.gif
http://www.herper.com/Picture File/mound4.jpg
My point, and I'm rather fond of it, is that everyone who has been killed by the American military deserves an investigation (and not just the usual Pentagon whitewash). There is nothing about Tillman, in my view, that makes his case more compelling than any other, except the obvious pro-sports angle -- which I freely grant is totally bogus.
Oh, come on. Tillman's clearly a case of fratricide. Every other death is just as tragic, but the point of these investigations is generally to figure out how to not kill your own troops. And with Tillman in particular, because his death was naturally high profile and, frankly, abused by the Pentagon, an investigation is even more warranted.
Let's focus on outrage where it really is rather than manufacturing it.
Speaking of not giving a shit, that's why the Tillman thing an be important in showing the sheeple the real side of that story. Anybody else, they're not going to give a shit.
ronjazz, formerly free
I fear you may well be correct. What a sad indictment of our society.
Are we related?
Diane
Well, now I know why you phone home more often!
ql in ny
Agave, accidental texan-
Scuba diving thru wet dirt!
Snort...
Hell, I might have been the bartender in question.
On the other hand , in the town of Edgewood, about 20 miles east of ABQ, I suppose you COULD scuba dive in the caverns underneath the town.
If they had any water, that is.
That serpent mound picture is impressive, doug. I'd visit it.
it migh sound 'classist' but there is a reason why rugby crowds don' not have the same agressiveness attached.
football developed as a working class game
rugby came from the middle classes and public schools.
clearly both had a factor on the type of crowds the game draws.
Moonbootica, Praetor
and then we have.....polo
earl avoids spandex | 03.04.06 - 7:13 pm | #
As I understand it, both rugby and "association" football developed out of the same type of "football" games played at English bording schools to encourage athletic activity (American football evolved out of the same sorts of games but replaced the rugby Scrum with a scrimmage [both of which share a common root with skirmish] thus creating the need for downs.).
The foot in football is probably a reference to the fact that football games were traditionally peasant games played on foot wheras the aristocratic sports (like polo) involved horses.
Oh, come on. Tillman's clearly a case of fratricide. Every other death is just as tragic, but the point of these investigations is generally to figure out how to not kill your own troops. And with Tillman in particular, because his death was naturally high profile and, frankly, abused by the Pentagon, an investigation is even more warranted.
NTodd, Hoodlum
Yes, Tillman's case was fratricide. I haven't familiarized myself with all the details of his case, but from what reading I've done I rather doubt they are anything special.
Speaking from my own experience in the infantry, good leadership and fire discipline result in avoiding fratricide. I don't think there's going to be any new news here. Nor do I think there will be any other benefit accruing to either the military or to our society in general. Especially since it's going to be a whitewash. At best/worst, some buck sergeant will get busted.
And then where will we be? Will we have learned anything that we didn't know before? No. There isn't much available to be learned about blue-on-blue infantry fratricide. Air-to-ground? Maybe. Artillery-on-infantry? Maybe. It depends mostly on the means and methods of control. We already know all that there is to know about controlling rifles and machine guns.
I'm sad for Tillman and I'm sad for Tillman's family. I'm even sad for Tillman's buddies, because they will have to live with that shit for the rest of their lives. But I think it's a sad day for America if we really think this "probe" is going to change anything.
But enough seriousness in a dead thread.
One of the big problems mentioned in the article is that 57 percent of college students go to out of state schools. What the article neglects to mention is that there is only one public university in Vermont: the University of Vermont (UVM). What's one of the things makes UVM unique? It's the most expensive public university in the USA, $24,000 a year, even at in state intuition. The rest are private institutions, which in general, aren't cheap. College students are not staying Vermont in part because they (and their families) cannot afford it.
One of the big problems mentioned in the article is that 57 percent of college students go to out of state schools. What the article neglects to mention is that there is only one public university in Vermont: the University of Vermont (UVM). What's one of the things makes UVM unique? It's the most expensive public university in the USA, $24,000 a year, even at in state intuition. The rest are private institutions, which in general, aren't cheap. College students are not staying Vermont in part because they (and their families) cannot afford it.
Why not DC. It's been losing population for decades (ever since desegregation). It lost me, a rare 5th generationer (and white to boot), about 16 years ago. I got priced out of the market. Some of my old housemates commute from WV, or PA.
The middle classes moved out years ago and all that was left were the richest and the poorest. With real estate so outrageously expensive, once poor and blighted neighborhoods are being gentrified or torn down and rebuilt. The new residents are richer in money and more likely to be single or childless. The ones being forced into the burbs or completely out of the metro area include the welfare mothers with lots of kids. Plus, nobody in the middle class wants too send their kids to DC schools. So unless you're single or can afford private schools, you're gonna avoid DC.
"Extrapolation is the temptation of the devil. 'Might happen' isn't the same thing as 'will happen'. The only thing certain is change, and that much of it will be unexpected...
ProfWombat"
And chaos can be our friend...
"If America uses 25% of the world's resources for 5% of the population, as the economies of China and India modernize, there simply isn't a way to raise most of the world to our 'standard' of living without wreaking ecological havoc on the planet. Solutions presently unenvisioned will inevitably supervene. The question, as always with change, is how many will be hurt, and how to minimize that...
ProfWombat"
Google Integral Fast Reactor. It's what I suspect comprises the giveaway of nuclear technology to India, since I betcha they're a lot closer to it than Iran currently is. Generates power using enriched uranium, recycling it backwards in a process that renders the plutonium unfit for weapons-grade, forever.
On the Dubai Ports deal, Bush is obviously bending over and taking it in the ass from his global corporate overlords, and he's asking all of us to do likewise. So sorry, pal, ain't gonna go there. No amount of lobbying, or whatever his data-mining exercise has on Congress, is gonna change that. This is your Waterloo, Chimpy.
In the space of one hundred and seventy six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over a mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oölitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-pole. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo [Illinois] and New Orleans will have joined their streets together and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
- Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi (1884)
"GWPDA-
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the west as a whole (excepting western Oregon and Washington and Nortern California), is living on MINED water, that is, drilling wells, rather than living off the water which falls from the sky.
Of course, this has been true since at least the American conquest.
Once the mined water is gone, I think the West will revert to the uninhabited land it was meant to be.(Other than by true desert rats, that is. )
sandiaman"
This problem has already happened in India, and their answer to it has been to save rain water and recycle it in community-wide efforts. Puts us spiritually and materially back into what we should be attending to in the first place, a natural and communal effort to support our own communities. I think that's where we're headed.
Small, community-based integral fast reactors, to provide electricity for infrastructure and transportation, are next.
"I'm fascinated by the phenomenon of obvious right-wingers staking out a position as "moderate" or "nonpartisan" solely by virtue of their say-so.
Eli"
And I'm fascinated by the abrupt disappearance of all the wingnut bumperstickers here in Orange County, California.
May be in terms of 'furlongs per fortnight,' but it's progress nonetheless. I'm encouraged!
I guess even the most karmically-challenged among us can learn a thing or two, after all...
Don't confuse relative with absolute changes.
You would expect Idaho and DC to be among those states with the highest relative changes in population, because they start with such small numbers that even tiny absolute changes in population look big as a percentage change. It makes sense to look at such changes in relative, percentage, terms, to facilitate comparisons with other states, but this practice can magnify meaninglessly small absolute changes into the false appearance of a significant trend when applied to states much lower than average in their absolute population.
Jobs--beyond below minimum service jobs in restaurants, lounges, bars, etc.--are VERY VERY hard to come by in the Burlington area. Companies take weeks to hire, and my partner has been told flat out a couple of times that the employer prefers to hire native Vermonters. How long does he have to be here to be a native?
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