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hi all
Fuck Frist!
was there anything but white males on that show tonite ??
I think that was more like a straw man poll.
How I wish that the nominee was Frist or Romney. The only way to make it better is if they have Pataki as the vp. What a loser ticket that would be.
Frist frist?
Was the baby born?
please god.
Not Condi.
I believe the man's name is pronounced "FRYst."
/with props to Sam Seder
nobody (in their right mind) would consider frist a serious contender.
Bill Frist: his easy charm, his empathy with the common man, his courage in fighting for his beliefs. Isn't that what we want in a President? That, and a man who can write a book about his family entitled 'Good People Beget Good People' without even a hint of self-parody?
nobody (in their right mind) would consider frist a serious contender.
dagnabbit!
The problem is that wingers are in their right (wing) mind.
the republican nominee will be BUSH!
elections suspended in time of war!
What, no Giuliani? I thought he was a God who walked among men.
I'd like to have a beer with Bill Frist.
I'd like to throw it in his face and then crack the mug over his head.
YOu forgot the ability to raise people out of perisitent vegetative states in just 15 minutes,
What, no Giuliani? I thought he was a God who walked among men.
puppethead
He had a previous engagement and they spelld his name wrong on the _______ '08 buttons they had there.
Not Condi? I'd love for it to be Rice/Guiliani in 2008. Although that would never happen.
Just like Russ Feingold won't be nominated.
It seems to me that, due to the extreme meltdown of the GOP, that we're likely to see the pro-GOP rabble push really hard for a Roy Moore/David Duke type of extremist. The WATBs of this country have had a taste of power and will think going more extreme is the best way to keep it. Wouldn't that just be pathetically funny? I'd love to see the GOP on the scrapheap of history like the Whigs.
The GOP nominee will be whoever Bush taps to fill Cheney's spot when he retires next year. Has it already been promised to McCain? Or Rice?
not the "elections suspended" scenario. is atrios foreseeing a cheney coup?
no wait, is he still predicting a jeb anointment??
I am praying for Frist or Condi. I am not persuaded that the majority of misogynist Republican males will be willing to bite the bullet and vote for a black woman. It goes too much against the grain. They would stay away from the polls in droves.
Think of what a sad clown McCain will be if he doesn't even get the nomination. All that ass kissing and self-subjugation for nothing.
Allen/Frist '08
Dumb & Dumber
Re Jeb: 'They said it was my turn now' isn't a very effective crowdpleaser...
why wasn't giuliani in the running in this straw poll? was he even listed?
McCain is simply pathetic. This is what the lust for power does to people.
i was going to say frist is too stiff on the stump to be nominated. but then again, look how kerry managed.
Guiliani was AWOL at some previous engagement. It is not a conspiracy. Or, is it?
Funny how no one is talking about a Santorum run anymore. So sad. Maybe they could nominate the nut case legislator in S.Dak responsible for the abortion law there.
Frist is just WAY too easy for the left to destroy. Of course, that's what I thought about Bush...
we're likely to see the pro-GOP rabble push really hard for a Roy Moore/David Duke type
Vs Hillery.
Oh gawd, I think I really may have to emmigrate, should that matchup come to pass.
y: I'd bet any polling data re Condi would be grossly inaccurate. There's a lot of people who'd answer questions like 'Would you support Rice even if she is, well, you, know, both black and a chick?' in the affirmative, but wouldn't vote that way...
Oh gawd, I think I really may have to emmigrate, should that matchup come to pass.
smalfish,traitor to the State
Sorry. Canada's
°=Kl already.
catnip -
you're right, but I think frist is easier.
bush never made a video diagnosis on the floor of the senate.
Imagine that commercial.
Like I said, I've seen guests of honor at wakes with more charisma than Cat Killer Frist.
there goes my possessed keyboard again...
Terri Schiavo had more charisma than Frist.
Like I said, I've seen guests of honor at wakes with more charisma than Cat Killer Frist.
The reporters on MSNBC had a hard time finding words to describe the awfulness of the speech Frist gave.
My prediction: they'll nominate Larry the Cable Guy, and the base will turn out huge.
Git-R-Done!
i was going to say frist is too stiff on the stump to be nominated. but then again, look how kerry managed.
jello
I didn't Kerry was "stiff." At least he's intelligent.
I think if Frist laughed, he would explode.
None of those mentioned? Then, who?
Jeb Bush?
Rudy Giuliani?
Maria Shriver's sperm donor?
Think of what a sad clown McCain will be if he doesn't even get the nomination. All that ass kissing and self-subjugation for nothing.
Marcia Brady ∞
Fuck McCain.
He sold his soul for nothing.
Frist's war on terror:
Bill v. al Catta
You can tell Frist is not wily enough to cover his tracks when he lies, hence the dumb answers about his "trust" scandal. I can see him folding like a deck of cards if the pressure was really on him about his finances. He's not tough enough, been too pampered.
The 2008 Republican presidential nominee will be.......
Mike Huckabee of Arkansas.
Why? Because he doesn't look quite as stupid or sycophantic as the others. Since the Repubs have no ideas left, their only alternative is to steal one from the Dems and nominate a governor from Arkansas.
Then I hope they are already doing oppo research on him if the dem leaders are smart. Don't know much about him, which is probably good for him.
Why? Because he doesn't look quite as stupid or sycophantic as the others.
You obviously didn't see huckabee playing guitar earlier. Yikes.
y: Surgeons generally think of themselves as being tough. Fact is, toughness isn't always a virtue, even in surgery, where often the disease and the patient are better negotiated with than dictated to. And the illusion of toughness, especially one's own, is both powerful and dangerous. Save us from yet another man who's confused about such things...
Just saw results of Repub straw poll. Votes for Bush were third, which would have been votes for McCain, right? He knew he was going to lose.
The wingers must not have watched Pumpkinhead a few weeks ago when he made Frist breakout in a flop sweat asking those actual journalistic kinda questions. It was sweet.
It will be Romney.
Write it down.
They've got Romney on tape running for governor of Massachusetts being sort of pro-choice. They'll run it again. Those are the kind of principles that aren't supposed to change. And after another couple of years of Alitos, South Dakotas, withheld HPV vaccines and so on, the issue will be on fire.
My prediction: they'll nominate Larry the Cable Guy, and the base will turn out huge.
Git-R-Done!
Heywood J.
guess who is doing git-r-done schtick? ed schultz. typical for a clintonite.
anyway, g'night. Only so much fun you can have contemplating our country's future leadership in one day.
Global question as a Parthian shot, though: which Republican in his right mind would want to inherit the ungodly mess?
They have Romney on tape saying he won't change the current laws of Massachusetts with respect to abortion. He was steadfast that he personally didn't approve of it. Now, he can say that as President he'll represent all of the country.
Abortion won't be a problem for him amongst the right wing. And after he is through the primary, he'll turn around again and tout how 'moderate' he was in Massachusetts.
The scary thing about Romney is that he is SMART. This guy isn't a dummy like Frist/Allen/Bush. He is smooth and charming. Watch out if you overlook Romney.
while pimping romney earlier tonight, tweety said to david shuster that romney's democratic opponent for massachusetts' govenor shannon obrien, supported the age of consent be lowered to '3'.
tweety not only makes shit up, he spouts the most vile bullshit as commentary.
tweety not only makes shit up, he spouts the most vile bullshit as commentary.
bkny
Word! That slobbering fool is a true freak of nature. I detest him. I've never seen a supposed *newsman* so in love with his own ill chosen voice.
It will be Romney.
Write it down.
manyoso
Hahahahahahahaha. Not gonna do it.
Atrios: "My prediction: The Republican nominee will not be Frist, Romney, Allen, or McCain."
If Atrios is right, who's left? Rudy? noooo. Condi? nooooo. Brownback? maaaybeee. If the Repubs start tearing each other apart, who's gonna pick up the pieces? Some unknown governor from the South. I'll take the points and put $100 on Huckabee.
I was reading this morning or yesterday that Greenspan is predicting a third party to rise up for 2008 and take the center away from both Dems and the Repubs. Now I could go for that if the right person is running. I am tired of spineless Dems and warmongering Repubs, both of whom put their lobbyists first.
As for Frist, can you just imagine the animal rights groups' demonstrations.
You all should be more scared of Romney. I'm hoping the other side can find a way to point out how freaky Mormons really are and use that to discredit Romney more...scared undergarments anyone??
Ugh. He's smart and not hideous, and he's more two-faced than most. Be very scared.
My prediction: Jeb.
And he'll "win," thanks to Diebold.
"Ugh. He's smart and not hideous, and he's more two-faced than most. Be very scared."
Yup. He's the polar opposite of Bush in this regard. He's slick. But he's a wingnut to the core and can pull off 'moderate' very well.
It'll be McCain for precisely the same reason that many on our side went with Kerry: he was the only one seen as "electable".
Republicans know damn well they're in a tight spot. They're gonna go with McCain for what are, at bottom, electability reasons.
My prediction: Sen Brokeback. He may be Opus Dei, but he talks like a fundie.
Republicans know damn well they're in a tight spot.
You think so? I think they feel untouchable, and just need someone batshit enough to deliver the Final Victory over libruls.
I am very familiar with the venue where the GOP is meeting in Memphis (Hotel Peabody). I'll assure you that the only black face you will see at the GOP confab is waiters and bellmen.
On another Memphis note, how 'bout them Memphis Tigers! (Conference USA Champs!)
Atrios:
It's Huckabee.
your south sea island pal,
Walt
.
sometimes i feel bad for frist. sorta like the hardest working whore out there...that no one gives a shit about.
Walter:
We think alike and we're both in love with Barbara Stanwyck. Go figure.
Fuck all these nonentities...all the fun is gonna emanate from which of them emerges carrying the fundy flag, and which of them emerges as the 'goddamn-we-can't-let-those-troglodytes-take-over' guy. So who was perceived at the conference as playing most to the religious nutcases?
I'd prefer Allen or Romney as they're easily beatable. Frist is a joke. If he could actually make a decision on his own AND have it not be completely idiotic he might do okay, though he has zero charisma. Guiliani or McCain will take it handidly. And like lemmings, all the repugs will lock in step and vote for their republican nominee regardless if they like they guy or not. Of course Leiberman will try to be VP on both tickets, that'll be entertaining.
It's not as important who emerges as the candidate, as that he's a bloody mess after a primary season of utter fratricide.
As I said earlier, the 2008 election will be the first since 1952 without a sitting prez or sitting veep running. What this means, if anything, I don't know.
Maybe a giant breakthrough for lefty progressives? Maybe....
Pleeeeeese let Frist get the nomination. Please please please please!
Caption the MSNBC cover photo.
fourmorewars, you might be right. By this time in 1998, Bush was already locking folks up. If the Republican nomination isn't sewn up by early '07 (other than formalities) you should be able to suspect fratricide and THEN some.
I doubt even the Dobson's of the Right will agree this go-round. And with half the field running TOWARDS Bush's policies and half running FROM Bush's creepy coattails, they won't have any choice but to beat the hell out of each other.
"Of course Leiberman will try to be VP on both tickets, that'll be entertaining."
HA! Lieberman is going to have enough trouble being the Democratic candidate for Senate in his own state. By the time that plays out, he'll be like kryptonite to your average democrat.
Would loyal goopers be offended by adopting kittens under false pretenses with the intent of killing and dissecting them?
I don't think that would bother goopers so long as Frist is a Xian with good genes begetting likewise.
Hagel.
Jeb?!
By this time in 1998, Bush was already locking folks up.
True. His money and his daddy made him seem utterly unstoppable, even though Liddy Dole was outpolling him early on until her hubby found the horse's head in his bed and got the message to sabotage her campaign.
There were a few Republicans out there (namely Tucker Carlson, who wrote the subtly damning September 1999 Talk piece on Bush, and George Will, who was just about the only employee of a mainstream paper to notice it) who were worried that Shrub was simply too crude and too stupid even to say his lines, but they underestimated the ability of Karl Rove to buy off the press.
But there aren't any Republicans out there this year that have campaign machines as malevolently well-oiled as was Team Bush's in the late '90s.
If the Republican nomination isn't sewn up by early '07 (other than formalities) you should be able to suspect fratricide and THEN some.
Oh, yes. Especially if Jeb's nuts enough to give it a try -- though one would think he'd realize that the Bush name is mud right now, and will remain so for the forseeable future.
For one, Frist is a buffoon to think he can pull this off.
I doubt even the Dobsons of the Right will agree this go-round. And with half the field running TOWARDS Bush's policies and half running FROM Bush's creepy coattails, they won't have any choice but to beat the hell out of each other.
Exactly. Which is why McCain's cockeyed embrace of Bush is good news for us. By propping up Bush at a time when running full-tilt from him is the smartest thing a Republican can do, McCain's ensured that there will be a bloody conflict between the run-away and the embrace-Bush factions. And that will work out very, very nicely for us.
ABBinMI-
Hagel is an interesting pick. I don't see it happening but he could do some damage to McCain in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary if things are going real bad about that time.
What people forget about Bush in 2000 is that he was posed as the mainstream-uniter candidate. The CEO in waiting who was going to bring competence to Washington. What a fucking joke. I think he's poisoned that identity forever. Frist and Romney can't play that card. What will they do?
McCain? Guliani? Please! The mouth breathing knuckle draggers will never allow that.
Atrios is right. We haven't seen the GOP messiah for 2008 yet.
not not married 50 some yr old black pro choice woman condeeeee. heckuva job brownie would be more likely. It'll probably be one of the southern doofus governors
no, Romney will be the nominee, he's the GOP's John Kerry this time.
Condi or Jeb are more likely Repub candidates than McCain, in spite of his ass-kissing for the 34%.
The 'interests' that made GW Bush the approved candidate in 2000 won't trust enough either McCain or Frist and Romney and Allen are just transparent fools.
They are going to have to pry the presidency from Cheney's cold, dead hand.
The Southern Republican Leadership Conference does NOT unilaterally decide who is going to be running for president.
MONEY decides who's going to run!
Fuck Romney.
What do Romney supporters think he's got? I think that even the Republicans here in Massachusetts call him a tool.
I can see that Frist won't cut the mustard. I don't even think Republicans like him. He not the crazy Armageddon type, he's more of the sniveling kissass sneak type. His record in the Senate is uninspiring and shows how his fellow Republicans would happily undermine him.
McCain, I'm a little more mixed about. I suppose that he has something of a (not deserved) reputation as a moderate, which means it might be hard for him to become a Republican candidate.
But please, please tell me why Huckabee and Romney would be shot down? Isn't Romney kind of slick AND right wingy? Can't the right wingers make something of the fact that he "mastered" the most liberal state of the nation blah blah blah? And didn't Huckabee do some sort of big weight-loss thingy with his wife (show concern for national issues)? I despise both of those bastards. Please tell me why they won't succeed.
Also, what about Jeb! ?
Heh. I thought Allen was Claude Allen. He clearly has some novel fundraising methods.
Who are you predicting will be the nominee...Juliani? Rice?
McCain is by far the most accomplished whore, with the usual Republican vacuum where his ethics ought to be. He's perfect to carry on the tradition!
I'm hoping for a Bush/Frist ticket myself.
Neil Bush.
I'm interested in the reasoning behind your prediction, and whom you expect to see in God's GOP limelight once the dove descends from on high.
Hopefully, you'll elaborate sometime.
sorry you are not right
It is going to be McCain/Bush in 2008- McCain will only serve 1 term (He will be older than Reagan if he wins)
Bush will run in 2012
oh please let it be Frist. we should only be so lucky. As a Tennessean, I can tell you, that sumbich is toast.
My prediction: it WILL be Allen or McCain. I'll take them against the field.
I've been figuring Allen to be in the mix ever since the summer of 2004. He's just too perfect a fit to be ignored. The business community and the fundies both love him, he's got the requisite experience, he's one of those upbeat types that goes down well with people, and despite allegations that he's dumber than a box of rocks, nobody's caught him doing anything particularly stupid and embarrassing.
What's surprising to me is how well McCain's suck-up-to-Bush-and-everybody-GOP campaign seems to be working. He's met with Falwell, who's too crazy even for most fundies; the money boys are starting to rally behind him; and yet somehow his Mr. Straight Talk image never gets punctured.
McCain's the only guy who can take it from Allen, and right now, I'd give him the edge.
We'll see who the big money's lined up behind, a year from now. But it's going to be one of these two. Bet on it.
The GOP nomination will not be a surprise.
I would take Frist, Romney, Allen or McCain against the field, at even money.
We will know by Jan 1 2008 at the latest. The money race will tell the tale. Allen and McCain are still the frontrunners.
Please let it be Frist! I think his candidacy will be more DOA than Kerry's.
At the risk of sounding, but not being, frivolous, Frist will never be President because of the catlover vote.
When in med school the guy fraudulently "adopted" cats and then experimented on them. The Morris crowd isn't going to be keen on that. Even I, who can do without cats, am not keen on that. The reaction of the warm & fuzzies at Balloon Juice beggars the imagination
I agree with your prediction.
The imperial Bush family and their cabal have not yet selected who will replace the Boy King. They have not yet decided for whom they'll steal the next presidential election. In other words, which hardcore neo-con candidate, in their mind, will best carry on the Bush legacy of corruption, incompetence and stupidity, while grasping for absolute power in our democracy? Who will the Bush family strategists pull out of their collective butts? Jeb??
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