I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Way?
peace
We was too late.
--The Bishop
Whorewarring.
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Well, we haven't had a good fun war in a while...
Fuckin' A.
It's like last time, only it's so obvious what they're doing. It's like an auto accident where you see the car coming at you and everything's in slow-motion and you're just waiting for the impact.
brb
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Well, we haven't had a good fun war in a while...
Yeah, that last one was bland and uninspired.
2 questions
Without another attack will the sheeple fall for it?
What army?
Who's gonna pay for it?
Cripes! They fuck up in Afghanistan, break Iraq and really think Americans will fall for a third fiasco? Where's ol' Georgie's rendition of "Fool me once..."
They lied us into Iraq. They are trying to lie us into Iran. Hopefully it won't work this time.
I see they are having a smallpox drill at the WH and AWOL isn't there. Nope, he's got more important things to do like practice his seech on Iraq.....
Yeah, that last one was bland and uninspired.
Well, the first several weeks were great! Awesome visuals, daring rescues, cool sandstorms, lots of this blowing up all over the place. Once the game went into overtime, though, it just got really dull.
As a matter of fact, I DO hate Bush!
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Won't get fooled again.
The morons are ten clicks from causing Uranium-235/plutonium-239 to again be used on innocents.
They LIED To Get Us In - They DON'T KNOW How To Get Us Out!
Once the game went into overtime, though, it just got really dull.
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 1:17 pm | #
they should have arranged a wardrobe malfunction.
i mean, a better one than saddam in his tighty whities.
The question that needs to be asked:
Is our editoral boards learning?
It's like an auto accident where you see the car coming at you and everything's in slow-motion and you're just waiting for the impact.
Pere Ubu
Damn, I hate that.
Having learned nothing from the Iraq fiasco. They just glide on over to Iran and pass on Bush's latest bullshit. It's a god damn crime.
Signs that the media is feeling emboldened by Bush's unpopularity enough to tell the truth??? Why the hell didn't they call some of this stuff while it was actually happening?
Bush Using Straw - Man Arguments in Speeches
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- ''Some look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude that the war is lost and not worth another dime or another day,'' President Bush said recently. Another time he said, ''Some say that if you're Muslim you can't be free.''''There are some really decent people,'' the president said earlier this year, ''who believe that the federal government ought to be the decider of health care ... for all people.''
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Of course, hardly anyone in mainstream political debate has made such assertions. When the president starts a sentence with ''some say'' or offers up what ''some in Washington'' believe, as he is doing more often these days, a rhetorical retort almost assuredly follows.
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The device usually is code for Democrats or other White House opponents. In describing what they advocate, Bush often omits an important nuance or substitutes an extreme stance that bears little resemblance to their actual position.
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He typically then says he ''strongly disagrees'' -- conveniently knocking down a straw man of his own making. Bush routinely is criticized for dressing up events with a too-rosy glow. But experts in political speech say the straw man device, in which the president makes himself appear entirely reasonable by contrast to supposed ''critics,'' is just as problematic.
A specialist in presidential rhetoric, Wayne Fields of Washington University in St. Louis, views it as ''a bizarre kind of double talk'' that abuses the rules of legitimate discussion.
''It's such a phenomenal hole in the national debate that you can have arguments with nonexistent people,'' Fields said. ''All politicians try to get away with this to a certain extent. What's striking here is how much this administration rests on a foundation of this kind of stuff.''
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/...r=1&
oref=slogin
NTodd--I was thinking that we would never attempt to bomb Iran, and that it was a ploy to keep the public quiet, but now I'm nervous about the narrative. It's eerily similar to the one on Iraq.
They *are* only fun in the beginning. After a couple of months all the romance is gone. Then they don't bring flowers or close the door when they use the bathroom....
The media is running out of ways to prop up the Boy Wonder, and needs new video of Americans blowing up ragheads.
I personally think that we could have accomplished whatever we needed to accomplish in Iraq without firing a single shot. Of course, that doesn't make as much money for the powers that be.
Marcia B--this is why I married a man with only sisters: he leaves the seat down.
Trying to determine where weapons originate is a hopeless enterprise. The world's awash in them. This won't prevent Chimpy and gang from pinning it on Iran, though.
The morons who rule us
Ummm, Atrios, you forgot to mention the party that enables them to because of their timidity and acquiescence to allowing their bald-faced lies.
And, of course, the real reason to bomb Iran is to delay the opening of the Euro-denominated oil bourse. You can be sure Chimpy's a lot more concerned about the impact of that on Daddy's and Jim Baker's cash flow than anything having to do with nuclear programs.
Once the game went into overtime, though, it just got really dull.
Oh, I give them high technical merits, but the artistry was lacking.
Good afternoon.
Can I talk about one father's revenge?
BTW, I don't think that the govmint will touch Iran, IMHO.
Sorry, that was in reference to NTodd's good, fun war comment. I apologize for any discomfort my ommission may have caused...
Dr. Wu--wasn't there noise about how Saddam was going to start valuing oil in euros and not dollars?
Signs that the media is feeling emboldened by Bush's unpopularity enough to tell the truth??? Why the hell didn't they call some of this stuff while it was actually happening?
Good question. They kept their mea culpa in their pants until after Desert Storm, as well. It's always okay for them to break out the criticisms AFTER the fact.
They're whoring for Iran now as we speak. They just don't get it.
Marcia B--this is why I married a man with only sisters: he leaves the seat down.
Sallyh, Vicious Fishes
grew up with four brothers. drives me nuts when she puts the seat down, in the middle of the night i expect a bigger target.
hi marcia!
Without another attack will the sheeple fall for it?
I'm sure they're focus-grouping that. If you get my drift.
Fred Hiatt goes war whoring again.
His brother John won't admit he's related.
I'm nervous about the narrative. It's eerily similar to the one on Iraq. Sallyh, Vicious Fishes
You mean like this:
QUESTION: Mr. President, why does the administration continue to insist that Saddam had a relationship with al Qaeda, when even you have denied any connection between Saddam and September 11th, and now the September 11th commission says that there was no collaborative relationship at all?
BUSH: The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.
BUSH: This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda.
We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two.
Warpuppet
June 17, 2004
Dammit, I closed those tags.
Meanwhile the Taliban Operate in Afghanistan with Impunity
Dammit, I closed those tags.
Pere Ubu
did you put the seat down?
They *are* only fun in the beginning. After a couple of months all the romance is gone. Then they don't bring flowers or close the door when they use the bathroom....
Marcia Brady ∞
Oh, my. Like you ladies are not any different at all once you are married?
What about that flannel nightie?
What is it with sex once a month if YOU are in the mood?
What happened to that fun-loving sex kitten anyway?
Why does she bitch about shit all of the time?
What imperfection in my personality will she try to fix today?
Sometimes just bacon is great for breakfast.
focus--something like that.
Dr. Wu--wasn't there noise about how Saddam was going to start valuing oil in euros and not dollars?
Sallyh, Vicious Fishes
I hadn't heard that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Everything Chimpy does, he does at the behest of Big Oil, Big Defense or the Carlyle Group. On rare harmonious occasions like the Iraq war, he can satisfy all three masters at once.
Marcia B--this is why I married a man with only sisters: he leaves the seat down.
Sallyh, Vicious Fishes
So do guys who love their dogs....
Dr. Wu--wasn't there noise about how Saddam was going to start valuing oil in euros and not dollars?
Sallyh, Vicious Fishes
yup. far more dangerous than wmd.
Dr. Wu
A little too far fetched IMHO.
How bout just the same stupid reasons they invaded Iraq for? Neocon pipe dreams, making the Middle East safe for Israel, throw in a little vengence on behalf of W's Daddy, and sprinkle with oil interests.
DWD--we're joking, of course.
What about that flannel nightie?
What is it with sex once a month if YOU are in the mood?
What happened to that fun-loving sex kitten anyway?
i love you, mrs gently.
What about that flannel nightie?
Hey, Monsieur likes the flannel penguin jammies.
No war. Please no war. I stopped at the Anti-War March downtown this morning.
It made me very sad.
The shills go whoring one by one, hurrah, hurrah.
The shills go whoring one by one, hurrah, hurrah.
The shills go whoring one by one,
their kids don't fight
so war is fun,
and they all went marching down, to the ground, for instructions from Rove (boom boom boom).
hi marcia!
dirk gently,sociopathetic
Hi, honey! I'm going up to get Silk for my coffee. Anyone need anything?
did you put the seat down?
Yes, AND I flushed, so don't look at me like that.
It was probably the cat.
What imperfection in my personality will she try to fix today?
Sometimes just bacon is great for breakfast.
DWD - Challenged
Oh, DWD, I was referencing how fun wars are at the beginning. Men are almost always fun.
Hi, honey! I'm going up to get Silk for my coffee. Anyone need anything?
Marcia Brady ∞
mmmmmm - silk!
I flushed, so don't look at me like that.
It was probably the cat.
Pere Ubu
That's one ugly cat.
They *are* only fun in the beginning. After a couple of months all the romance is gone. Then they don't bring flowers or close the door when they use the bathroom....
I don't need to bring flowers because my farts smell so good.
I wonder to what extent the old media are biased in favor of war - ANY war - simply because war is sensational, and gives them something to talk/write about.
>>What army?
>>Who's gonna pay for it?
See that's the trouble with living in the reality-based community. You think the people running things would ask those questions. We're an EMPIRE now. We CREATE reality. We can win a war against a contry with an airforce and a large standing army, it'll take us 3 weeks, and it'll be "Mission Accomplished II". We can do it in the face of the cost of debt-financing the governemt going up, as foreigners are staying home from the bond auctions until rates go up. Hell, we can keep CUTTING taxes -- the additional incentives will raise more revenue in the long run...
And on and on it goes.
When you get right down to it, Cheney and Rumsfeld -- the ones running the show -- and their assorted minions in DoD and State think and operate as if their are NO CONSTRAINTS on their behavior. There haven't been any to date. It really must be fun to war game all this stuff when you don't have to worry about reality.
You go into the mid-term elections with the wars you've got, not the wars you wished you had.
You go into the mid-term elections with the wars you've got, not the wars you wished you had.
It was probably the cat.
Pere Ubu | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 1:31 pm | #
could be.
The sad part is, even if we had a good reason, we could not afford a third war in Iran.
Rockets
Bono is Brian Peppers!
Cant play Quake 3
u don't go to war with the morons u want, u go with the morons u have
And, of course, the real reason to bomb Iran is to delay the opening of the Euro-denominated oil bourse. You can be sure Chimpy's a lot more concerned about the impact of that on Daddy's and Jim Baker's cash flow than anything having to do with nuclear programs.
Dr. Wu |
Ding, ding, ding. We gotta a winnah!
Marcia and Sallyh,
Try these: guaranteed to bring a smile.
For the ladies
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...001/
hussur.html
for the gentlemen
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...001/
wivsur.html
I don't need to bring flowers because my farts smell so good.
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket
Thank goodness I'm not downwind of you right now...
BTW, if anyone is looking for some good new music, pick up the new Belle & Sebastian album, "The Life Persuit". Just saw them last Sunday. Fan-effing-tastic.
And the new Neko Case is damn good, too. I'm seeing her at the end of the month.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee, there's big weather coming in from the west. Flory's gonna be really surprised.
Time for a nap.
I don't need to bring flowers because my farts smell so good.
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket
mine smell so good, i need to bring a corpse flower to counteract them.
It's not going to be a War. It will be a series of bombing strikes around election time. Plenty of cool pictures of bombs guided down smoke stacks, infrared pictures of construction workers running for cover. Should give Bush a 20% ratings boost. Multiply problems caused by Iraq War times 2.
Hey man... we need the oil.
How else are we could to pay for George's excellent lit'l adventures?
This kind of mistake can NOT be accidental. They can't be that stupid can they?
When the government and journalists no longer speak for the American citizens, the American Citizens must learn to speak for themselves.
- Kryptic
ok, i say this every saturday but this time for real. time to go clean up the yard.
later, batses.
Do I have to slap a bitch and make him an assclown? Is it worth it?
Norm Solomon, in WAR MADE EASY, lays out of pretty chilling picture of the MSM acting as mere stenographers for the administrations of the last 40 years or so. They're content to merely regurgitate what the President or his surrogates state as fact instead of doing real investigative journalism.
There's a difference between reportage and mere coverage and this would be mere coverage were it not for the fact that the WaPo knows, or should know, that these "facts" are coming from either a fucking pathological liar like Bush or someone who's easily misled by sloppy intelligence.
What makes the Washington Post think that we'd be able to handle a war with Iran, a nation whom we know has nukes, any better than we've "handled" the war in Iraq?
This is simply inexcusable propaganda. We've come to expect this from every administration, both Republican and Democratic. We're still in a state of shock to read this not only in our newspapers but in a major newspaper that seems to be in a race to the bottom of the journalistic barrel with the NY Times.
And I'm honestly getting fed up with having my intelligence impugned by these partisan hacks.
dirk, I love you. Good thing we are both taken, else there might be another budding romance born on these here threads.
How about "pirates" attacking two American war ships with rocket propelled grenades?
Anyone out there buy that shit?
How stupid do they think we are?
I have a feeling that once it is clear that it is unlikely in the extream to obtain support and backing for yet another military adventure the administration will come to the only rational conclusion possible.
Do it anyway and present the country with a fait acompli and a stern scolding that if we don't rally behind the CIC and his vision that we will be undermining the troops and the baby Jesus will bawl his fraking eyes out.
It's not going to be a War. It will be a series of bombing strikes around election time.
The WAR proper comes later, after the massive Iranian chemical attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq, the reinstatement of the draft and the repeal of the 22nd Amendment (can't elect a new Preznit - we're at WAR!)
It's not going to be a War. It will be a series of bombing strikes around election time.
The WAR proper comes later, after the massive Iranian chemical attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq, the reinstatement of the draft and the repeal of the 22nd Amendment (can't elect a new Preznit - we're at WAR!)
The word in German is "Gleichschaltung" - throwing the switches so that everyone is on the same track. Three years ago, a week before the war started, I sat in the San Diego Opera, and suddenly before the curtain went up the orchestra struck up the Star Strangled Banana. I sat, amid a sea of standers. I now live in Berlin because I learned that night that until Murka finally is finally taught its sad imperial lesson, this same madness will happen again and again and again. The WaPo yellow muck is step one, step two and three will follow. Get ready to stand up or sit through the next war. Or maybe join me in Europe.
What the #$^#$%? They dubbed adult voices in over the Whaa whaa whaa sounds in Chairle Brown!
"Trying to determine where weapons originate is a hopeless enterprise. The world's awash in them. This won't prevent Chimpy and gang from pinning it on Iran, though.
Lime Rickey"
Y'mean, like Iraq's WMDs that Rummy sold them in the first place? We sell more weapons than anybody, always have. Big Daddy Warbucks..
War is nothing but a fucking racket, and the rubes fall for it every time.
We need a bumpersticker: War is a Racket.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ on Rye-Krisp with cream cheese and caviar!!
CNN just had a subheading above the scroll state that the "youngest" baby boomers turn 60 this year!!
What fuckwits.
Hmmm. I wasn't aware that it's the Shia militias who are responsible for the vast majority of IED attacks on American troops.
Silly me.
The shills go whoring two by two, hurrah, hurrah.
&c.
The shills go whoring two by two,
A truthy, factesque,
malevolent crew--
and they all went marching down, to the ground, for instructions from Rove (boom boom boom).
We need a bumpersticker: War is a Racket.
under the radar
have you seen "lord of war"
it makes that exact point
I've had it. I wish to fuck Iran would just go ahead and drop one on DC.
Get it over with. I'm sick of us.
Tena, you don't really mean that.
Dropping one on DC I mean.
I am six of us too. What we are having done in our name should shame us all.
OT, I just got a little sleeper of a movie, recommended by a very Irish friend of mine,called "What the Bleep Do We Know?" VERY Buddhist movie. Quantum physics/spirituality.
I'm a little slow, so I guess I'm gonna have to watch it about 9 times, to get it...
Riding over to the anti-war rally in my neck o' the woods...
I already said it. I'm sick of us. How many more wholly innocent people is this country going to murder?
I am sick of us.
Sick, sick.
Sheesh.
Right, not DC. Lynchburg Virginia perhaps?
I've had it. I wish to fuck Iran would just go ahead and drop one on DC.
Well, no. That would be a bad idea.
Hecate lives there.
I already said it. I'm sick of us. How many more wholly innocent people is this country going to murder?
I am sick of us.
Tena
I am sick of the collective conscience representing us, not us, per se.
This rudeness, this shallowness, this lack of thought seems to be pervasive in the US culture today.
I had a similar experience. About a Year and half after 9/11, I attended a one of my customer's company meetings. There were vendors and contractors from all over the World, Europe, Asia, Latin America, etc. They comprised about 25% attendees. This company put on flag waiving, Star spangled gala compete with a slide show of the 9/11 disaster and aftermath. These foreign vendors looked like at each other like they had just stumbled on some cult's brain washing sessions. I felt like crawling under a rock.
Lynchburg Virginia perhaps?
catalexis |
Fort Worth?
How about just stuffing one up W's ass?
I bet the frogs would love it!
No, Tena does not mean that. What she means is that this will go on in perpetuity (see your Democratic squatting-in-fear weenies) until Murka has experienced some unforeseeable but awful reason to change its ways. Or am I putting words in your mouth, Tena?
fourlegsgood - Fine, they can drop it right on my house. I'll get up on the roof after it quits raining and paint a fucking target on it.
I feel like shit. I feel responsible. I have felt this way ever since Falluja. It has grown and grown.
I cannot take anymore of this goddamn murder.
evening moonbats 
they really want to attack Iran don't they?
I'm so in love with Tena today I could burst. (not because she wants to blow up DC (hah!) but just in general...
Out for now!
Oh, and we had a baby!!!!
Crawford. Yes, Crawford.
I can't wait until frogs everywhere are rejoicing!!
fuck you haloscam!
why its it so hard to accept that the homegrown insurgency is quite the expert now on IEDs and such like.
its no use blaming some mythical Iranian hand in all these bombings.
Di I need to reboot, again? Seems like Haloscan't is up to the old trix...
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I feel like shit. I feel responsible. I have felt this way ever since Falluja. It has grown and grown.
I feel like shit, but I do not feel responsible.
They're not going to lay the guilt on me for anything they've done.
I feel like shit. I feel responsible. I have felt this way ever since Falluja. It has grown and grown.
I feel like shit, but I do not feel responsible.
I do. I didn't do enough to prevent this shit from happening. As far as I'm concerned, we're all complicit to a degree, some more than others.
haloscan
both sucks and blows
discuss
OT -- I believe the stories of spitting on returning Vietnam vets are apocrypal, but if I was a spittin' woman I'd be thinkin' about Task Force 6-26
Afternoon, all.
Is this thing working?
I can't get the link to work...
can somebody give me the short
version?
Well.... I have good news to report. One of my long time friends - stout republican, and immersed long ago in the Kool-Aid - stopped by to ahem, adjust himsef before going shopping. He's recently out of a job, ala GM here in Lansing - with about 2 yrs to retirement. On job bank, at least for a year or so until the next contract.
He came in, sat down... and announced he's had it with the House, politicians, republicans, Bush can suck his dick. My wife and I are still kind of in shock. This is the guy - oh right after they didn't find WMD's etc, around the beginning of the 04' election cycle, physically threatened to kick my ass. *(I've known him for 30 yrs, and he was way drunk at the time.. still no excuse)*
I told him he'd better make sure I never got up, because they'd never find his body. He apologized the next day for his completely inappropriate behavior. I told him I was completely serious. And, still am.
I'm still in shock. I guess he's finally seen the light. Add another one to the list. He's been hardcore his whole life too. That's the scary part.
NTodd- I agree and I fucking hate it.
I keep trying to figure out just what I will do when they open up those camps. How will I fight them? How will I try to keep them from locking up and killing and torturing yet more innocent people?
How do we get out of here? I see no end in sight.
haloscan, you bitch, quit fucking with us -
Hi all. Just got back from Halifax's portion of the global anti-war protests. Probably three hundred people marched through downtown, ending up at a park, where great speeches were made about Irag, Afghanistan, etc. Michael Frenti showed up, complaining that it's a wee bit colder here than in San Francisco, but warming up the crowd with a half-dozen songs. Good show, and people along the streets seemed pretty receptive.
I remember watching a Charlie Rose show around New Years of 2005 (more than a year ago). The members of the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal were discussing issues of the day. I remember being shocked and apprehensive when I heard them calmly talking about the possibility needing to bomb IRAN at some point soon, if Iran wouldn't halt dabbling in their nuclear programs.
That was the first time the possibility of a first-strike against Iran showed up on my radar screen. The momentum has been building up ever since.
I wondered how they could such predictions so calmly, as if there was no questions it would occur.
Oh...this shit is working again?
Curse dial-up. I'm trying to download a podcast interview with Ryan Adams and read other stuff.
Mebbe I should set up a "Get Zap Into The 21st Century/Help Pay For His Wedding Fund" on my blog.
Would anyone donate?
Yay! Barndog!
On this day, when I need to use duct tape, I cannot find any in the house.
dirk, I love you. Good thing we are both taken, else there might be another
budding romance born on these here threads.
ql in ny | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 1:42 pm | #
What am I, chopped liver?
I didn't do enough to prevent this shit from happening.
Bullcrap. 9/11 provided the impetus for this shit to happen, and they didn't prevent that, did they.
Tena,
The only way back out is to rebuild. We've gone too far. They've fucked with the country for too long.
It's never gonna look the same, imho.
The only goddamned thing going on in Dallas today is rain.
Protest? Yah, they might protest if Baylor instead of SMU gets the George W Bush library.
'
AAAAaaaaaarrrrrrghghghghghghghgh
Simels, I'll take you. If you'll hold me.
Vicki - I have 3 rolls in the house currently. You should have called & came.
Down that was. For some duck tape. Heh. Or, dinner?
Did Bushco pay Hiatt for this one? Seems pretty apparent, or maybe Lieberman did. The more Hiatts we have, the less believable their cause will become to the increasing-less amnesiatic public.
Thanks Fred!
.
Vicki:
Any time, kiddo!
I would just like to note that haloscam is crap!
Massive Student Protests in Paris erupt into chaos.
Tear gas, stones thrown, riot police rushing crowds. All about new French employment laws De Villepin shoved thru the legislature.
What am I, chopped liver?
steve simels
quit whining. I already told you you're mine this year anyway.
You have me.
He's been hardcore his whole life too. That's the scary part.
Well, the last six years have been unprecedented.
Those are the people you hope clean up the republican party, because I sure as hell don't want one-party rule even by dems.
AAAAaaaaaarrrrrrghghghghghghghgh
Tena
I say
Texas Tech
or
whatever the biggest party school is
Ot -- again! -- But to balance the disgusting Task Force 6-26, a DKos diarist reports there may be a major Dem helping to buy out some Knight-Ridder papers -- including Philly's -- and set them up as employee-owned publications. Yay!
"else there might be another
budding romance born on these here threads."
Who's romance is budding now?
Curious people want to know....
loving you
is easy cause you're beautiful
It's never gonna look the same, imho.
Vicki
No, it's not. You are right.
steve simels,
Can I just have you for your musical expertise?
So blogger is bloggered.
Anybody else watching the French riots. Oy.
"I would just like to note that haloscam is crap!"
Moonbootica, Praetor
I concur! When refreshing, I sometimes end up kicked out.
bloody haloscan!
"I would just like to note that haloscam is crap!"
Moonbootica, Praetor
I concur! When refreshing, I sometimes end up kicked out.
Izzit back?
.
Iraqi honeymoon long over, three years after war
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Hawra and Haider began their married life cowering under the "shock and awe" American bombardment of Baghdad in March 2003.
When it was over, and Saddam Hussein had fled, they believed "Operation Iraqi Freedom" had delivered a bright new future, free of fear and the economic sanctions that impoverished them.
Three years on, as they celebrate their third wedding anniversary, those dreams have died as insurgency and rising sectarian violence have brought new fears, and more poverty.
OK I'll try this again and see if it crashes my server.
I added a lot of you to the ne blogroll on http://defiancezone.com/
I'll add more as I see them.
Thanks.
Y'all got your canned tuna and powdered milk under the bed?
Deacon from Powerloins versus ReddHead on c-span from 7.45 eastern tomorrow.
It's never gonna look the same, imho.
Vicki
I see some hope. Exhibit 1, Barndog's friend. The backlash is going to be incredible. And remember, they've set the frame. You either support them, or you're a liberal. Well guess what folks, it is going to come back and bite them in the ass.
Hi Tena!
Have I mentioned that somebody here
(I forget who) apparently
talked to you on the
phone the other
day and posted
that you have the most fabulously sexy
voice?
That being the case I'm obviously
a goner...
Anybody else watching the French riots.
I was. But i found the contrast with our own citizenry too piquant to take. 68% of the French SUPPORT the students' position!
It's never gonna look the same, imho.
If war and human suffering become less possible, then fabulous.
These republicans have been burned badly. (Well, we all have, but I digress.)
Once bitten, twice shy. No more George Bush presidencies.
Wake up, America. And the media can go fuck themselves if they continue to spew their bullshit.
You have me.
Tena - 2:28 pm
damn...earlier you said you'd been driven into MY arms...just when i get my hopes up, they get dashed again...
.
Those are the people you hope clean up the republican party, because I sure as hell don't want one-party rule even by dems.
pie
I'm with you on that, too. But it's going to be very difficult to forge any kind of alliances with Repugs until they have gotten over this phase of existence. Until they do, I say lock them all up. Every goddamned Repug who has supported and cheerleaded this fascist fucking dictatorship.
That's not a hyperbole at this point, pie. They refuse to hold the preznit liable for breaking the law and violating the constitution. That is a dictatorship - when one person is above the law and all responsibility and runs the country just how he sees fit (ha ha ha - fit ain't in it.)
Okay, so Barndog, I substituted thick masking tape with glue. To hold a wood piece together. Think it'll work?
damn...earlier you said you'd been driven into MY arms...just when i get my hopes up, they get dashed again...
Oh there's world enough and time for all of you.
You have me.
Tena
Slut! Earlier you gave yourself to Woody.
Steve, you'll always be my back door man.
Get your minds out of the gutter, I mean that literally.
You have me.
Tena
Slut! Earlier you gave yourself to Woody.
Steve, you'll always be my back door man.
Get your minds out of the gutter, I mean that literally.
Bush to Americans: Stand firm on Iraq
The US president has urged Iraqi leaders to form a government of national unity as quickly as possible, insisting that progress had been made on the political and military fronts in the country.
In a radio address on the eve of the third anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq on Saturday, George Bush urged Americans growing increasingly impatient with the war to resist a temptation to retreat, even as he acknowledged the prospect of more bloodshed.
"I urge them to continue their work to put aside their differences, to reach out across political, religious and sectarian lines," he said of Iraqi politicians, still deadlocked over who will lead a new government three months after polls.
Fuck You Mr. Bush and your Fucking Ammoral War!
So much romance! So much pathos!
Bullcrap. 9/11 provided the impetus for this shit to happen, and they didn't prevent that, did they.
And I didn't do enough to prevent this country from going down the path it's on.
(I forget who)
How could you forget me?
How???!!!
[runs sobbing to the basement, throws self into furnace.]
Fuck You Mr. Bush and your Fucking Ammoral War!
Moonbootica, Praetor
he insists america be resolutely blind to reality
like him
god bless america
Moonb
this war isn't merely ammoral, it's on-purpose immoral.
OT
Anybody read Wolcott?
Makes me think that Helen Krump is the 1st Lady. Only difference is in this episode shes married to Goober.
you can find good stuff in the gutter
They refuse to hold the preznit liable for breaking the law and violating the constitution. That is a dictatorship - when one person is above the law and all responsibility and runs the country just how he sees fit (ha ha ha - fit ain't in it.)
I totally agree, and it looks like that part of the republican party with a lick of sense agrees, too.
Congress better see the light or they'll be out of a job. Some will anyway.
I've got to go do errands. At least I could join you once every other attempt to get in and I got my Atrios fix for the morning.
Maybe someone should offer to host an open thread for those of us who are having trouble with haloscan.
Have fun this afternoon, kids!
I found 20 bucks once!
It is fast approaching Missolini time here in America. And the fascist supporters of the idiot will be the first in line to take their whacks.
That's the day frogs will be dancing in the streets.
you can find good stuff in the gutter
politica - vicious too bitches
Are you in the gutter?
Mussolini...........damnit.
god bless america
olexicon
And now, that asshole Harper is saying "God bless Canada."
Fuck 'em both.
I found 20 bucks once!
Me too, in a hospital elevator!
Who the hell wants it to look the same again. I for one want it to look a damn sight better. And I think it's gonna happen, is happening, too.
Are you in the gutter?
I can be in a moment's notice.
And I didn't do enough to prevent this country from going down the path it's on.
Well, I don't know what else you could have done, but are you doing more now?
I'd say you were. Or are you going to keep wearing that smelly ol' hairshirt?
Are you in the gutter?
Vicki | 03.18.06 - 2:37 pm | #
Currently no.
"until Murka has experienced some unforeseeable but awful reason to change its ways. Or am I putting words in your mouth, Tena?
zepper"
Like, economic collapse at the hands of all the countries we're borrowing from?
Well, my mind's in the gutter, so I trump you both.
That's what good, old fashioned cleaning does to me. It makes me teh dirty.
And now, that asshole Harper is saying "God bless Canada."
Fuck 'em both.
Moe Szyslak
did you see 22 minutes last night?
they juxtaposed Harper and Bush
and they sounded exactly alike
a point i made during stephen's big adventure
And I didn't do enough to prevent this country from going down the path it's on.
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket - 2:35pm
none of us did...
how i know?
if we had, we'd be dead or in jail today...
think Tiananmen Sq, and of the guy in front of the tank...
no snark, no opprobrium...
just sayin'
.
Yeah I cleaned too.
I found 20 bucks once!
Me too, in a hospital elevator!
plantsman
i found it in a burger king bathroom
It makes me teh dirty.
Sure I can't talk you into coming down?
We did what we could do.
Now that I know it may take me to put my life on the line to fight for the future of my daughter, I'm so there.
I had no idea when they usurped the 2000 election. Well, I had an idea, but I sure didn't expect this nightmare to befall us.
olexicon your link is broken in your signature
humble blogwhore - Three Years On
Vicki:
I knew it was you!!!
Really, I did!!!!!!
I just had a momentary lapse!!!!!
Repeal of 22nd Ammendment? Huh, no simple abrogration of same--by the one and only unitary executive.
And now, that asshole Harper is saying "God bless Canada."
Fuck 'em both.
Moe Szyslak
I never liked that song. Then I read that Elgar hated "God Save the King" because he thought it was irreverent to give orders to the deity and I understood why. It is most ill advised to use the imperative with the all mighty.
Barndog, is that your album you are linking to?
none of us did...
how i know?
if we had, we'd be dead or in jail today...
Well, I'm not going there, buster.
That totally defeats any purpose.
none of us did...
how i know?
if we had, we'd be dead or in jail today...
Well, I'm not going there, buster.
That totally defeats any purpose.
did you see 22 minutes last night?
they juxtaposed Harper and Bush
Yep. And "the House" on Radio One did the same thing, without the humor.
I also liked the bit about the gay fashion designer and Harper. Hil-fuckin-larious.
I know the answer, politica, but I'll be polite, sit back in the corner, and let Barndog tell you.
Barndog and I go way back before this blog. We didn't even know it.
I also liked the bit about the gay fashion designer and Harper. Hil-fuckin-larious.
Moe Szyslak
UWI MEYER
he's been around for a few seasons
one of the new chareacters i really enjoy
...assumes the answer is yes
Hurry up and form a government your're making me look bad! - George Bush
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush urged Iraqi leaders on Saturday to form a government of national unity as quickly as possible as U.S. and Iraqi troops pressed ahead with a sweep for insurgents north of Baghdad.
In a radio address on the eve of the third anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Bush also urged Americans growing increasingly impatient with the war to resist a temptation to retreat, even as he acknowledged the prospect of more bloodshed.
"I urge them to continue their work to put aside their differences, to reach out across political, religious and sectarian lines," he said of Iraqi politicians, still deadlocked over who will lead a new government three months after polls.
If the next attack comes before Nov, 2008, there'll be no need to repeal any Amendments
cuz the whole fucking Constitution'll be declared null and void, and the sheeple will applaud their resolute leaders...
.
I learned last night that the french version of "O Canada" doesn't have the reference to god, which I gather was added in by the usual red-baiting asshole circa 1980. So, when it comes time to get my citizenship, I'm singing the french version.
did you see 22 minutes last night?
You guys are making me jealous. I don't get the Comedy Channel so I can't even watch John Stewart.
Oh, and I'm still cleaning...just taking a break. I needed to file a shitload of papers and get my middle bedroom, where the computer, the ironing board, my bookshelves, and my sewing machine co-exist, looking good.
Almost done.
Then off to my bedroom to clean.
politica - no, they are very good friends of ours though.
I'm hoping to get their names out a little more. I turned them onto a engineer friend in town here - that took home a Grammy in the late 70's for Paco De Lucia. He know's his shit in audio engineering. And, since they just finished their studio, it may work out well all around.
bombs away...
don't worry, we'll make more...
....follows to bedroom....
...assumes the answer is yes
politica - vicious too bi
Actually....
it's no.
I didn't know you were bi.
[giggles.]
Tom Tomorrow has two great posts
up right now of wingnut pundits
like Sully the Pooh and Joe Scarborough
declaring the war a huge success
in the wake of pulling the Saddam
statue
down. Not just declaring the war a
success, but declaring those who
opposed it idiots and traitors.
Makes for interesting reading.
Air Farce has really imporved the last couple of seasons, too. And that new gal-- hot stuff.
i have no come back for being called bi
lol
get me a beer moe
. And that new gal-- hot stuff.
Moe Szyslak |
and the George Stromolopolous
immitiation
and robo-harper
They added Moe to my radio station, those are some local guys
somebody has to be willing to go to jail or get killed for the cause.
but first we need a cause
really it's up to the young ones, and they don't give a shit, because nobody is feeling any pain, yet.
Woody,
Hasn't the whole thing already been defenestrated?
has anyone started up the curch of the immaculate abortion yet?
i'd definitely join
i have no come back for being called bi
lol
politica - vicious too bitches
I do.
"I urge them to continue their work to put aside their differences, to reach out across political, religious and sectarian lines," he said of Iraqi politicians, still deadlocked over who will lead a new government three months after polls.
Moonbootica, Praetor
So they should act more honorably than the GOP?
db @1:19pm--good NYTimes articel--any idea where it appeared in print? Usually indicates the import they give to an article...as we know from how they buried the articles citing evidence against the Iraq Invasion.
Thnx for the link.
really it's up to the young ones, and they don't give a shit, because nobody is feeling any pain, yet.
Some are. More will.
College kids aren't seeing their friends dying. I suppose this is part of the reason there hasn't been more of an effort to make a statement.
get me a beer moe
politica
What do I look like, a bartender?
yes
...stares at jar of pickled eggs ominously...
Then theres the church that requires it's congregation to do DMT as a part of it's ritual of prayer.
Just was approved by the administration - however that was done. I think New Mexico, or somewhere like that.
Wild. Let's start one where we smoke dope all day, and produce all of our clothing from hemp - all of our fuel, papers, inks, dyes, etc.
Who's in?
I had a strange call at 4:14 AM. A woman called. Asked if I were Vicki. Of course, I'm in a deep sleep. I mumble, "Yes."
And then she says, "Next time I see you, I'm gonna kick your ass to a pulp," and hangs up.
Which is weird, because if I have any enemies at this point in my life, I don't know about it. I can't imagine who I pissed off. And I'm pretty perceptive that way.
The number was restricted, so there's no caller ID on the incoming from her.
did you see 22 minutes last night?
I missed it, but they played that bit on the radio this morning. I don't loathe Harper at this point, but it won't take long if he keeps it up.
Like I'm not opposed to the mission in Afghanistan, but the suggestion that there shouldn't be a new debate because it would hurt the morale of the troops was right out of the Bush playbook and made me furious. The troops are professionals.
What do I look like, a bartender?
Moe Szyslak
or a soap star
ok i gotta go download a jam I just did and see if it's worth saving
later
College kids aren't seeing their friends dying. I suppose this is part of the
reason there hasn't been more of an effort to make a statement.
pie | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 2:52 pm | #
Let Bush institute a draft and you'll
see blood in the streets in America
that will make the late 60s look
like a bake sale.
In pictures: Global anti-war protests
The troops are professionals.
Finny
not WATBs
Oh. Duffs and Flaming Moes, all around. Speaking of which, I think I'll start drinking.
Wild. Let's start one where we smoke dope all day, and produce all of our clothing from hemp - all of our fuel, papers, inks, dyes, etc.
Me. I'll run the garden.
I like to think I care.
Who's in?
Barndog, Troll Eliminator | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 2:53 pm | #
we'd need to subcontract some things I think
Anti-war protests yield very low turnout, showing fewer people opposed to the war.
we'd need to subcontract some things I think
politica - vicious too bitches
What kind of a jam did you do?
What do you play?
Fuck you, Jack. I was at a protest today.
Let Bush institute a draft and you'll
see blood in the streets in America
that will make the late 60s look
like a bake sale.
steve simels
Which is why a draft will never be instituted.
it's a guitar jam, my drummers in Florida.
I have a fender electric, and a Martic acoustic.
we'd need to subcontract some things I think -
Possibly, but that's okay. We have enuf lawyers around to take care of that.
Maybe not though.. there's enough brillant minds around here I think to accomplish most anything necessary, or if not - figure out a way through it without much problem.
Like I'm not opposed to the mission in Afghanistan
Some points:
- whatever mightabeen, couldabeen, shouldabeen is irrelevant. The fact is, for all the rhetoric about peacekeeping, Canadian troops are there as an adjunct to the Americans. Canadians aren't calling the shots-- Americans are.
- Canadians have agreed to give prisoners over to the Americans, almost certainly assuring that some of them will be tortured. Canada is complicit is terrorism.
- Whatever all good Canadians think is going on, the bottom line is that Canadian troops are in Afghanistan to free up American troops to fight in Iraq. Canada, in other words, is at least partially responsible for what goes on in Iraq.
Anti-war protests yield very low turnout, showing fewer people opposed to the war.
Yeah, I don't know why you fuckers should care now. You didn't three years ago when they were out in the streets by the millions telling you what a clusterfuck this was going to be, and you harrumphed and said they'd kiss our feet as liberators.
Fuck you and your Slice. And fuck you for the way you'll be shilling for attacking Iran in a few months. That ain't too bright an idea, either, but I'm sure you won't listen to us this time.
Let Bush institute a draft and you'll
see blood in the streets in America
that will make the late 60s look
like a bake sale.
I used to be worried about that, but not so much any more.
And then she says, "Next time I see you, I'm gonna kick your ass to a pulp," and hangs up.
Vicki, that is just weird. Pulpy asses are not attractive.
Seriously, you didn't recognize the voice?
Put down your politrickin' dims.
Let Bush institute a draft and you'll
see blood in the streets in America
that will make the late 60s look
like a bake sale.
steve simels | 03.18.06 - 2:54 pm
the draft'll come, but not until after the NEXT attack...
and it won't produce any oppositional riots...
cuz the children of the real elites will avoid it, as they have always had ways to avoid inconveniences like Service...
til then, we'll just get along with the mercenaries we can recruit from among the aspirant immigrants...
.
Let Bush institute a draft and you'll
see blood in the streets in America
that will make the late 60s look
like a bake sale.
steve simels
Which is why a draft will never be instituted.
ql in ny | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 2:58 pm
And, which is why the Pentagon is raiding the Navy and Airforce for boots on the ground. But, even that, how long can that last?
Afghanistan is another failed chapter in the Bush Junta's story.
as soon as its purpose was served it was forgotten cause the Neocons wanted Iraq all along.
Vicki, could it have been annie?
Anti-war protests are for sissies.
Real men watch Nascar.
sheeple will applaud their resolute leaders...
Ok, here's where you and I have a difference of opinion now. I don't think the people are sheeple and I don't think they will applaud.
Woody - 70 fucking percent of the people hate Commander CooCoo Bananas and want to see something done about him. A majority don't like the Repugs in Congress. Do Not Sell All the People Short like that. It's not them - it's the fucking politicians and the gazillionaires.
pie,
No, it sounded like a kid, actually.
For the life of me, I can't understand why Rummy still has a job.
Real men watch Nascar.
You're about as far from knowing what "real men" do as I am from taking a stroll on the surface of Pluto.
wanker.
Jack--check recent polling.
I have a fender electric, and a Martic acoustic.
politica - vicious too bitches
Oh. My. God.
What kind of music do you play?
I have a fender electric, and a Martic acoustic.
politica - vicious too bitches
you mean Martin, i have one of those.
and i swear if bush goes in the 20s, fuck holden's ponies, fuck that i can't afford it (nor talent wise justify it) i'm gett'n a fender strat.
This is not how I wanted to start my day.
Anti-war protests are for sissies.
Real men watch Nascar.
jack
this jack is steve "jack" simels
people
don;t crawl up his ass
Wild. Let's start one where we smoke dope all day, and produce all of our clothing from hemp - all of our fuel, papers, inks, dyes, etc.
Bubba, if we smoke dope all day, we'll just sit around and talk about producing all of our own clothing and fuel and paper, and inks and dyes and then we'll have an argument over who is going to 7-11 for snacks.
No, it sounded like a kid, actually.
At 4:00 in the morning, I wouldn't be surprised.
Still the caller-ID was blocked.
Hmmmmm.
Via MSNBC:
"New legal documents raise the potential that I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s trial could turn into a political embarrassment for the Bush administration by focusing on whether the White House manipulated intelligence to justify the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
In a court filing late Friday night, Libby’s legal team said that in June and July 2003, the status of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame was at most a peripheral issue to “the finger-pointing that went on within the executive branch about who was to blame” for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction."
This might make selling the Iran thing a bit more awkward.
argument over who is going to 7-11 for snacks.
And slurpees, don't forget slurpees. I'll have a Coke one, please.
WGG:
I disagree. If the Bushies institute
a draft, neither the college kids
or their parents will sit still
for it. Nobody will fall for that
bullshit at this point, no matter what bloody
shirt Bush waves.
IMHO.
Of course, that doesn't mean the
Bushies won't be arrogant enough
to think they can get away with it.
Those are all good points, Moe. I didn't know about the prisoner thing. I wouldn't give a dog over to the Americans at this point. Um, no offense intended.
I still think our presence there is probably the best thing for it at this time.
It's not them - it's the fucking politicians and the gazillionaires.
Oh, let's not forget the media.
Please. Let's not forget the media.
Still the caller-ID was blocked.
Hmmmmm.
pie
That's what I thought.
then we'll have an argument over who is going to 7-11 for snacks.
Tena
ice cream!
this jack is steve "jack" simels
people
don;t crawl up his ass
olexicon,Sir Humpty
How are we supposed to tell the difference?
Third anniversary of Iraq war is marked by protests around world
Hundreds of thousands of people will take to the streets in Britain and around the world today to protest over the presence of British and American troops in Iraq, amid increasing official recognition that the country is slipping into civil war.
Organisers of the mass demonstration, timed to mark the third anniversary of the morning President George Bush declared war on Iraq on 20 March 2003, hope it will attract similar numbers to the million who protested in London in February that year.
In London this morning, protesters will gather in Parliament Square and march to Trafalgar Square for a rally to be addressed by MPs and other anti-war activists. Similar protests will take place in Basra and Baghdad, as well as in New York, Madrid, Rome, Sydney and many other major cities, calling for the removal of troops.
I need to shelve "My Lfe" by Bill Clinton. It's too big for my bookshelf.
If anyone wants to read it, I'll send it on.
This might make selling the Iran thing a bit more awkward.
Which just means they won't "sell" it this time - they'll just go ahead and do it, and once the troops are getting shot at we'll have NO CHOICE (of course) but to support it.
And Steve - sorry about the knee-jerk, but I'd like to knee that jerk Jack.
Vicki--if you get another one of those calls, you might consider phone co. and police. They can track pretty efficiently nowaday, I think.
nasty experience, if only once.
That's what I thought.
Oh, wait. Isn't there a way to do that? Punch in something before you dial?
So I guess it's not that big a mystery.
You know, apparently when I think
I'm being an obvious parody of a
troll, other people disagree.
Whether this is a comment on me
or the actual trolls, I'm not quite
sure.
How are we supposed to tell the difference?
catnip
it's formatting
and the nuanced satire of the staements
Third anniversary of Iraq war is marked by protests around world
And the only protests CNN is showing are the ones in France over the labour laws. Wankers.
Well I love Mahavishnu John McLaughlin
Medeski Martin and Wood
Jeff Beck
John Scofield
etc. but I don't play like them
i just know Blair or his succssor will find an excuse to join the US in invading Iran.
"cuz the children of the real elites will avoid it, as they have always had ways to avoid inconveniences like Service..."
.
--WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
If there is a draft, my kids (3 of them, all draft age) won't go. And they are by no means in the elite. I think a majority of parents, be they democrats or republicans, won't allow their kids to be drafted. Most of us grew of age during the Vietnam war.
Whether this is a comment on me
or the actual trolls, I'm not quite
sure.
steve simels
I can pick you out as "jack"
but "soaring patriotic steve-o" has been helpful too
You have to have three calls, and then the police will get involved.
I had a woman stalk me back in the 90s, but the laws weren't as strict then as they are now.
That's why the bdg troll was able to call me twice. He didn't call a third time because he knows the law.
Pere Ubu:
Not to worry.
I still think our presence there is probably the best thing for it at this time.
Finny
Finny, I'll keep trying with you. (I'm working right now on getting Eh-Schaton up and running, btw.) But I have to say this: I thought I left the idiotic war-mongering when I left the states, so it depresses me greatly to hear this shit now here in Canada. "We can't cut and run"? What is this grade five bullshit? I'm gonna bitch, and bitch loudly.
Btw, was leaving Somalia "cutting and running"? Here's something from today's Star that addresses the issues you raise:
The futility of Canada's mission in Afghanistan
If anyone wants to read it, I'll send it on.
Vicki
Pick me!
etc. but I don't play like them
politica - vicious too bitches
My Achilles heel breaks for artists. It absolutely snaps in half and has me in a wheelchair when it comes to musicians.
*Sigh.
I'm with you, Moe.
I need to find my happy place today.
The number was restricted, so there's no caller ID on the incoming from her.
Vicki
Many phone exchanges have a number you can dial that will capture the last number that called you. It won't tell you what it was, but once you've captured it the police can get it when you fle the police report. I'd assume you could then subpoena it for civil action. You can probably call the operator or customer service and get the "capture" number for next time.
Or, you could just roll over and go back to sleep.
Complete Contact Info for Democratic and Independent Senators (Beta)
I should have picked up on the 40-character line; but then again, it was two seperate short sentences so I couldn't have. And "real men watch NASCAR" isn't exactly the height of drollery, no offense, Steve. I could see Monkey King Ruppert or annie saying something like that.
Okay, Catnip! It's you. Send my your address. You can e-mail me at moonbatmi@yahoo.com (although yahoo has been frightful the last few days), or try the same first part of the address at comcast.net.
politic -- vicious too bitches:
Nobody but nobody plays like Jeff
Beck.
Pissed off and depressed, yes. Responsible, no. Now if I were a congressman or a news pundit . . .
Please. Let's not forget the media.
pie |
I hold the media primarily responsible, pie. That is who did this to us - because it hoodwinked the people going in. Oh, yeah, absolutely the media.
Immediately after 9/11, the media was still acting more or less like we expect it to. It was raising questions about 9/11 that could have stopped all of what has happened since from happening, if it had investigated those questions. But it didn't. About 2 weeks after 9/11, the media went into full on propaganda mode and has been there ever since. I'd love to know what Rove did.
How are we supposed to tell the difference?
catnip
see jack | 03.18.06 - 3:04 pm | #
.
Or, you could just roll over and go back to sleep.
Dr. Wu
Which is, essentially, what I did. I think it woke the cat, though, because he started licking my nose. Which always freaks me out.
Spanish mass binge leads to riots
Mass street parties across Spain in response to high bar prices have led to clashes with police, leaving 80 people injured and at least 50 arrested.
The most serious violence was in Barcelona, where police used batons and rubber bullets and youths set fire to rubbish bins in the street.
There were street battles on a smaller scale in the university town of Salamanca, north-west of Madrid.
The government and parents' groups appealed to young people to stay away.
Atrios's posts today really show what the era we live is like: there is urging of a new war, to kill young people, and there is urging for women to make more young people to kill.
Pere Ubu:
Not my best work, I'll grant you.
It's just that when the real jack
says something offensive I like
to splay it back in his face as
fast as possible.
By the way -
snakes.
On a PLANE!
(I have NO idea why I find that so damn funny. Easily amused, I guess.)
March is the riots and protest season!
there is urging of a new war, to kill young people, and there is urging for women to make more young people to kill.
Nice summation.
Okay, Catnip! It's you.
Excellent, Vicki! Thank you.
umming and arring at the moment whether i should open a bottle of wine.
feeling pretty tired still from thursday night so not sure....
You can probably call the operator or customer service and get the "capture" number for next time.
Or, you could just roll over and go back to sleep.
Dr. Wu
They will never give you the number but after 3 traces (you diak * and 2 numbers after a call) they will turn the info over to the police.
Done it and the calls stopped.
.
It strikes me that March isn't the best time of year for protests and marching - because of the weather. But hey - marching whenever, go for it.
i like to play along to
Joshua Redman
His horn playing lends itself to guitar.
T.O. to sign with Dallas Cowboys.
See?
Things CAN get worse!
Taking a break, batses.
See you later...
It strikes me that March isn't the best time of year for protests and marching - because of the weather. But hey - marching whenever, go for it.
Tena
You said it. I've been to I think five anti-war protests here in Halifax, all of which were held is sub-freezing temps. Why can't we do these in the summer?
At the one this morning, it was about 32 degrees. A bit of a wind chill, too.
Still, we had a lot of people.
http://www.markfiore.com/animati.../
neoconmen.html
Check it out; send it on--maybe to some Repugs on your list!
Why can't we do these in the summer?
Let's get organized - the summer protests in the North, and the winter protests down here in the South. (Reversed for folks in the Southern Hemisphere, of course.)
I prefer the NCAA's March Madness to the BFEE's version. The former keeps me sane; the later drives me nuts.
BTW, now is a good time to quote what was being said by our MSM three years ago
March is better than February!
"Those are the people you hope clean up the republican party, because I sure as hell don't want one-party rule even by dems."
Why on earth not? Healthcare, social security, feed the poor, public transportation, fiscal responsibility, job security, decent education--
Why on earth not?
note to George: start the war in Iran in June
Gee, T2, nice work and thanks for your doing that heavy lifting, er, typing.
Yeah, keep trying with me, Moe. You may convince me.
Did you read about the Liberal senator sending the totally pissed-off letter to that family in Minnesota who complained about the seal hunt? I thought that was hilarious. I picture this very liberal Minnesota family, (we know Minnesota liberals well in Manitoba) sending off this earnest, indignant letter - the last thing they would expect would be to be blasted as fascist war-mongers.
Come to think of it, Howard Dean was really on target pre-911. Yet all the MSM wants to recall is that one, silly, unfortunate monment.
13 with Ex-Governor, 4 others Killed in Afghanistan
KANDAHAR (Afghanistan): Suspected Taliban rebels Saturday killed a former governor and his four companions in an attack in southern Afghanistan, officials said.
Taj Mohammad, known as Qari Baba, was ambushed in Ghazni province, one of the hotbeds of Taliban insurgents.
"I confirm that Qari Baba and his four companions were killed this morning," local police official Habibullah Jan said.
Baba was working as an advisor to the governor of Ghazni and was once governor of the province himself.
Jan blamed the killing on remnants of the Taliban and their Islamic allies including those loyal to former Afghan prime minister and warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, now on the US most wanted list.
Open owls upstairs.
Make that post-9/11/01 pre-3/19/03
Y'all got your canned tuna and powdered milk under the bed?
angryspittle - 2:31 pm
Shit, I misremembered the instructions.
What am I gonna do with all this canned milk and powdered tuna?
Did you read about the Liberal senator sending the totally pissed-off letter to that family in Minnesota who complained about the seal hunt?
I posted it this morning:
Senator fires back at U.S. family upset with seal hunt
A Liberal senator has replied to a family in Minnesota upset about Canada's seal hunt with a letter denouncing the United States for executing prisoners at home and killing people in Iraq.
The McLellan family had written to Canadian senators to say they cancelled a vacation in Canada because of the hunt, which they called "horrible" and "inhumane," Montreal's La Presse reports.
In her response, Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette said that what she finds horrible is "the daily massacre of innocent people in Iraq, the execution of prisoners – mainly blacks – in American prisons, the massive sale of handguns to Americans, the destabilization of the entire world by the American government's aggressive foreign policy, etc."
She said Americans are not in a position to criticize others. "They must start to look at their own behaviour, the permanent heightening of the planet's insecurity since the election of Bush," she told La Presse.
Oh there's world enough and time for all of you. | Tena - 2:34 pm
You've been talking to Vicki a lot more, haven't you?
"note to George: start the war in Iran in June"
catnip
I'm guessing October surprise.
Hasn't the whole thing already been defenestrated?
angryspittle | 03.18.06 - 2:49 pm
Constitutional box score ya cant tell the losers without a program:
Amendment I [Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition 1791)] -- effectively gutted 4/5 clauses rescinded in practice....Amendment II [Right to Bear Arms (1791)] -- more or less in tact...Amendment III [Quartering of Troops (1791)] -- more or less irrelevant except as posse comitatus obtains/immigration issues...Amendment IV [Search and Seizure (1791)] -- done, gone, and truly fucked, see, e.g., THE PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretaps, etc...Amendment V [Grand Jury, Double Jeopardy, Self-Incrimination, Due Process (1791)]--mortally wounded, bleeding from all over the habeus corpus ...Amendment VI [Criminal Prosecutions - Jury Trial, Right to Confront and to Counsel (1791)]-- fucked, cf. Gitmo, deportation hearings, etc...Amendment VII [Common Law Suits - Jury Trial (1791)]-- fucked, see # VI...Amendment VIII [Excess Bail or Fines, Cruel and Unusual Punishment (1791)]-- fucked, see # VI...Amendment IX [Non-Enumerated Rights (1791)]-- injured, see, e.g., NSA spying
...Amendment XIV [Privileges and Immunities, Due Process, Equal Protection, Apportionment of Representatives, Civil War Disqualification and Debt (186
] --as good as gone, see, e.g., gay marriage
this is where it stands at this momentfrom my pov...
i'd say: mostly out the window, hanging only by a shred of flesh hing up on some broken window glass...
but that's just me
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Moe, you can't get out of references to "God" no matter which version of "O Canada" you sing. The French version is worse than the English version, actually, because of the line "il sait porter la croix," or "it knows how to carry the cross." The next thing we've got to do up here, apparently, is try to get religion out of our public sphere. The references to God in "O Canada" have always been there, since the person who wrote the lyrics was a devout Catholic, not a paranoid red-baiter.
Thanks for your accurate summation of the Afghanistan situation. I have a young, naive friend who really thinks we're doing some good over there, and I'm going to drop this on him like a load of bricks. If anyone should be cleaning up the mess in Afghanistan, it's Russia and the US.
Hasn't the whole thing already been defenestrated?
angryspittle | 03.18.06 - 2:49 pm
Constitutional box score ya cant tell the losers without a program:
Amendment I [Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition 1791)] -- effectively gutted 4/5 clauses rescinded in practice....Amendment II [Right to Bear Arms (1791)] -- more or less in tact...Amendment III [Quartering of Troops (1791)] -- more or less irrelevant except as posse comitatus obtains/immigration issues...Amendment IV [Search and Seizure (1791)] -- done, gone, and truly fucked, see, e.g., THE PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretaps, etc...Amendment V [Grand Jury, Double Jeopardy, Self-Incrimination, Due Process (1791)]--mortally wounded, bleeding from all over the habeus corpus ...Amendment VI [Criminal Prosecutions - Jury Trial, Right to Confront and to Counsel (1791)]-- fucked, cf. Gitmo, deportation hearings, etc...Amendment VII [Common Law Suits - Jury Trial (1791)]-- fucked, see # VI...Amendment VIII [Excess Bail or Fines, Cruel and Unusual Punishment (1791)]-- fucked, see # VI...Amendment IX [Non-Enumerated Rights (1791)]-- injured, see, e.g., NSA spying
...Amendment XIV [Privileges and Immunities, Due Process, Equal Protection, Apportionment of Representatives, Civil War Disqualification and Debt (186] --as good as gone, see, e.g., gay marriage
this is where it stands at this momentfrom my pov...
i'd say: mostly out the window, hanging only by a shred of flesh hing up on some broken window glass...
but that's just me
(okay this is better, and preview is our frined and all that but the genie wouldnt let me put each into a separate graf...)
it just makes pedantry so damned hard...
just sayin
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yuck...it's all ugly...
sorry all y'all...
3 years later...
Remember all the scary things said about Iraq?
Don't forget when this scary nation (Iraq) that made George Bush quiver in fear and wet his panties; couldn't fly 1 Iraq Air Force plane to protect its nation.
Why not? Because their air force jets were stuck in the sand on open and easily observed air fields and too rusted to fly.
As bad as our intelligence services are, they had to know how the Iraq Air Force was not operational.
“The Iraqi Air Force proved to be totally non-existent during the latest US-led invasion of Iraq that started in March 2003. A few flying activities of Iraqi helicopters were seen but no fighter aircraft took off to fight the Americans.”
Tena- the big rally and march here is Dallas is tomorrow-
go to the Dallas Peace Center's site.
Starts at 2pm at St. Paul Methodist
on Routh.
"If it's the policy of the Iranian government to support the insurgency in Iraq, or take sides in the civil war, that would be an issue."
If?
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