I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
yeesh, this must be because Sci-Fi failed us all tonight.
Second!
there's always the Tournament?
I've offered my solution to the Social Security problem: Logan's Run the old people!
work till you drop dead - Republican goal
as though! old people are a valuable source of labor! think headroom not logan!
Well, now.
I take it you're saving Bobo's Thymoticity for tomorrow.
work till you drop dead - Republican goal
I have a better idea. Feed the Republicans to the ducks, redistribute their loot to everyone, and stop working for the sake of making parasites fat.
Cool, the Dixie Cups on the scout interview.
Am I eating a HUGE bag of Trader Joe's air-popped popcorn w/sea salt?
Indeed I am.
whats the chance Republicans will start bringing back child labour?
as though! old people are a valuable source of labor! think headroom not logan!
But we don't get the pretty fireworks if we just put them to work.
Saletan is living longer than the Social Security actuaries intended.
We're a richer country than we were in 1935 and we can afford it. There are plenty of things to worry about these days, but Social Security isn't one of them. Honest.
How much does the U.S. have to pay *each day* to finance its unconstructive debt?
res,
i had to put the bag of papadum chips down before I ate all of them.
made that other burrito for late dinner.
ssssssssssssssssspicy!
grrrr @ use of "scary"
/rant
Whats the chance Republicans will start bringing back child labour?
Why bother when they already have illegal immigrants?
Gary good ponit
I just heard Scout on the radio!
Oh my! That was so cool!
I'm so honored to know her.
nite moonbats 
Excuse me, but in the thread below:
The pirates WON the battle?
Say what?
What, is this like that Monty Python sketch, in which the Piranna Brothers tell the general that it would be a shame if anything happened to his tanks?
i had to put the bag of papadum chips down before I ate all of them.
made that other burrito for late dinner.
ssssssssssssssssspicy!
We could have kept the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots..
Harumph.
More than 50,000 people showed up for Slobodan Milosevic's funeral today.
Would that many show up for Fredo's funeral?
If so, would they be mourning -- or celebrating?
Man, this Scout interview is da bomb.
She knows her shit.
grrrr @ use of "scary"
/rant
politica - persecutor
Chill, grasshoppah.
We're a richer country than we were in 1935
Are we really? Adjusted for inflation? Taking into account industry, what is was capable of and doing? Taking our debt into account?
What would anyone say if you went around advocating globalization in the 30s and 40s?
Whats the chance Republicans will start bringing back child labour?
Look for the street waif label, when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.
Hello to the new thread.
Max P--I think Atrios should stop nominating him. His wankerness is continuous.
Scout is damn good on the radio.
Good night, all. My pizza has arrived and I'm almost done "A History of Violence". Remember: we can sync it where the old people explode in unison with "Darkside of the Moon".
We could have kept the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots.
(runs out of the room, green)
She does know her shit, doesn't she, watertiger?!!!
I'm so touched that a wonderful group of people did this. And to think I've been in a pissy mood lately.
I feel guilty.
Oh, cool: "Gladiator" is on TNT.
"He vexes me. I am terribly, terribly vexed."
still here
If it isn't women exercising more choices, it's 'baby boomers'--and you know who you are, you narcissistic rascals--retiring too early and having too few children.
Gosh and golly...
Bill Murray working on eliminating the gophers.
hey res--thinking of you
Would that many show up for Fredo's funeral?
In train cars and holding pens? Sure.
the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots.
Nah. I hear it's hard to crisp it up just right.
We could have kept the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots.
Dude, that happens in Kentucky. You ai't in Kentucky, is you?
Scout is damn good on the radio.
Thers, Paterfamilias
Indeed.
Hey, everybody's up here! Hi, Vicki, lovely girl, did you hear Scout giving you radio love?
She should be on the radio every single day from now until this clusterfuck is fixed.
A.
Lords K and Y:
I'd argue that the country is richer than it was in 1935, but we still have a wee problem with wealth distribution, and it's been growing more acute since 1980 or thereabouts.
It will be the undoing of the American aristocracy wannabees in the long run. I don't think they're going to have an FDR around to save them from their well deserved just desserts this time.
Holden Caulfield gets a shout out!
Now that the secret is out of the bag, Lisa (IBO313) heartily endorsed CHALLENGE.
Bottom line - get DWD's book - it is well written, a great read, and we're the good guys.
(There are also a couple of subtle Atriot sightings for the well-informed...)
Buy it!
lb0313 | 02.11.06 - 8:42 am |
aaaaAAh, she dedicated a song to Holden! I love it!
RIDE your PONY!
A.
I have a better idea. Feed the Republicans to the ducks, redistribute their loot to everyone, and stop working for the sake of making parasites fat
are you trying to poison us?
Ride your Pony!!!!
HAHAHAHAHA! "Ride Your Pony" is dedicated to Holden!
She should be on the radio every single day from now until this clusterfuck is fixed.
Oh honey - we may get past this - but it ain't gonna get fixed....
Gary Frazier - from your mouth....
Hi, Wombat.
Thinking of you, too, as I shove handfuls of popcorn in my face.
lords kei and yuri: love you guys, but no question whatever we're a richer country than we were 6 years into the depression. And think of all the cool, utterly unnecessary stuff we buy to keep it that way--but that's another debate...
Hey, everybody's up here! Hi, Vicki, lovely girl, did you hear Scout giving you radio love?
I did, and I am humbled and embarrassed by it...I just helped, she did the work.
I am so proud to know her.
Damn, you guys, what happened in Philly last September spawned a nation, didn't it?
Look at the outpouring of love. Look at the number of folks who truly care about making a difference.
I will do whatever I can. Always.
Slainte!
I'm totally spamming Holden with the recording of this show once it's up.
RIDE YOUR PONY!
RIDE YOUR PONY!
RIDE YOUR PONY!
A.
Both Lisa and Scout are doing great, and the interviewer is asking good questions.
How long does this program last?
Ride your pony ...
Gary Frazier | 03.18.06 - 10:36 pm |
How close is China to early 20th-century America, with its advanced cities and largely backward rural areas?
We could have kept the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots.
Was lactation a problem? If not, try calves liver instead.
Oh honey - we may get past this - but it ain't gonna get fixed....
lb0313
Thank You so Much!!!
{{{hugs!!!}}}
Y'all, this woman was instrumental in making Scout's trip happen.
Thank You, lb0313!
hey Vicki: good on you...
IBO313, you are tricky: Blogging and talking on the radio. You sound great!
How do I hear Scout?
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
We could have kept the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots.
(runs out of the room, green)
HA!
It does kind of look like a nice Delmonico.
I really can't wait to meet one of these idiots who claims a man can't love his wife in that special way after seeing birth because it is teh gross.
Placenta jokes are pretty damn funny, I think. The Bush administration grosses me out. Afterbirth, not so much.
Is the WORT interviewer the one who posts here as Roadmaster?
I'm totally spamming Holden with the recording of this show once it's up.
Every time he makes a Saturn joke, girl, you go get him.
Suckah doesn't blog on the weekends...heh heh.
I think it's an hour, right?
Dude, that so rocked. Vicki, completely. Look at this tonight: baby congrats, recipes, dedicating pony songs on the radio ... my life is infinitely sillier and richer with all of you virtually and non-virtually in it.
A.
Thank You, lb0313!
Vicki
==
Thank you both. And thanks to everyone who made it happen.
IBO313, you are tricky: Blogging and talking on the radio. You sound great!
Multi tasking is how I earn a living....
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot,
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho!
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!!!
But...but...old people must die! To make room for me!!!!!!!
I really can't wait to meet one of these idiots who claims a man can't love his wife in that special way after seeing birth because it is teh gross.
Placenta jokes are pretty damn funny, I think. The Bush administration grosses me out. Afterbirth, not so much.
So you can no longer have sex because of Bush?
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
That's the spirit! Now be a dear and refill my wine glass, hmmm?
We could have kept the placenta. I udersand it's not bad with some garlic, white wine, shallots.
There was a skit with the original SNL players called "Placenta Helper" ala Hamburger Helper. It was written up, even rehearsed, but at the last minute it was (cut? dropped? taken out?). Even that rowdy group decided it was a bit too much.
3 years...20 years...whats' the difference?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...2092461,00.html
Now he's telling the holden pony story. Kind of.
http://lists.wort-fm.org/testsit...te/
stream.shtml
A.
So you can no longer have sex because of Bush?
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket
Are we talking about shaving the monkey?
Athenae, they got the pony story wrong, but the spirit is there.
Is the WORT interviewer the one who posts here as Roadmaster?
Dunno. Is it?
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!!!
I love how the interviewer just had to explain Holden's ponies to the listeners!
And it's a real treat to listen to two people who I've read on this site--great interview.
there's always the Tournament?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka
I read an absolutely marvelous book by this title, in which all the participants were the intellectuals and artists of the 20th century, at a tennis match in Paris.
Super Tom Eliot. George Orwell. Hemingway. Wittgenstein. Actors, painters, sculptors, poets, journalists, movie stars, novelists...an absolutely astounding feat of imagination, translating their various talents and styles into tennis.
Written, IIRC, by someone from Australia. Came upon it quite by happenstance,and it seems to have sunk beneath the waves.
Wish I'd kept a copy.
Taliban guerrillas rule by fear on Afghan frontier
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/t...41&
parent_id=23
Nobody gets the pony story completely right anymore, but that just makes it all the more hilarious. It's got a life of its own.
A.
but no question whatever we're a richer country than we were 6 years into the depression.
You are distracted by people or by the larger scene, which even Sweden could not escape forever. The US of the past was capable of more than the US of the present. China is closer to the US of the past.
None of these pro-globo shitheads explained this, but there is an essential part of every factory in China: it's not just so they Chinese can enslave their own people. The defining role of the operation is to train the Chinese to fully understand the process and totally replace the American corporation in question. This me and my generation only thinking is perfectly consistent with corporate philosophy by the way. We're not sure if the same deal stands in India, which really has democracy, but in China the perception was very much that we as commies are duping the capitalists into giving us the secrets Krushchev tried comically to divine or steal.
K&Y:
Given that you've got an inbred little oligarchy running the show in China right now, it's not a bad parallel.
Of course, the catch is the cultural traditions are totally different; I don't think the Chinese have ever had a "gentleman farmer" motif as the basis for a political system.
So: even if you're the worrying sort, the pessimistic scenario suggests that we'll need to do no more than gradually increase taxes by about one-tenth starting in a couple of decades. Or perhaps by a twentieth along with a few modest benefit reductions. Not exactly the end of the world. But the most likely scenario is that Social Security is in fine shape and we don't have to do anything at all.
Raise the cap.
I am so geeked about this. I'm sorry, not to be giddy...
We raised $ 1,400 in less than 36 hours...
my life is infinitely sillier and richer with all of you virtually and non-virtually in it.
Not to mention considerably more tolerable...
Nobody gets the pony story completely right anymore, but that just makes it all the more hilarious. It's got a life of its own.
Some day, it'll go something like this:
Holden was born of a woman and a mule...
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
We kindle and char, inflame and ignite,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
We burn up the city, we're really a fright,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
We're rascals, scoundrels, villans, and knaves,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs,
Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho!
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!!!
Arrr.
Gimme some grog, mate
.
Goodnight, moonbats. Wish I could have heard Scout, but on dialup it just doesn't work well. Thers, give NYMary my best wishes.
hey RMJ: so are you doing your part? Smoking? Drinking too much, maybe? You owe it to your country's actuaries...
It actually all starts to make sense once you realize that they don't want government to work. They don't want people to be able to count on it. They don't want people to demand accountability, oversight, and competence from those who do the people's business. They want the last bits of the social contract to be ripped to smithereens. And the fact is, social security works fairly well. As does medicare (except Part D)--
I love moonbats.
Just sayin'.
She's got numbers: less than a third of the schools open, 7,000 people in jail with no prospect for trial. Lisa just said they're trying to get traffic lights, fer chrissakes. No water pressure for fire trucks.
Scout/Lisa '08!
A.
The Democratic Party needs to make a contract with America. "Vote us in and we'll impeach Bush".
where's the donation link Vicki? I can get some more money for ya.
The Tournament: A Novel of the 20th Century, by John Clarke
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Shouldn't there be a "Whoopie!" before that?
Wealth is relative. The current spending binge by Bushco has us in a bad sort right now, but the fallout hasn't hit yet.
When the dollar is trading for two Euros, I think 1935 will be about par. 2007's looking likely, but I've been wrong on the economy before. It may take longer.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me!!!
dave™© | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 10:41 pm | #
Did you have to look that up or do you know it by heart? A fine song.
Athenae | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 10:46 pm | #
{giggles uncontrollably!}
They ROCK!
I'm coming to Chicago to scope out hotels for the next Con, hope we can meet up again!
Oh my gosh! We will have so much fun!
mmmmm euros
It actually all starts to make sense once you realize that they don't want government to work.
Actually, it's too late even for that. We are witnessing the rats cannibalizing the sinking ship for parts. This generation will see the US fall as superpower.
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Shouldn't there be a "Whoopie!" before that?
It was implied, Country Joe.
does everyone where their screen names at the convention?
k&y: I don't disagree with you much. And you left out the extraordinary indebtedness of the federal government. But I remain of the opinion that 1935 was not a good economic year, and we're better off today...
Vick, it really does go to show what you can do if you refuse to accept that what you want will never happen.
She's as good a reporter as lots of reporters I know, Scout is. You can always teach people mechanics but she has the eye for details and the voice for a good quote and she busts her ass for it. That's inspiring, goddammit.
A.
it would be kind of fun to guess who is who I think
Nobody gets the pony story completely right anymore, but that just makes it all the more hilarious. It's got a life of its own.
But we wrote it down!
I'm afraid young Matt Yglesias has taken wanker of the day--maybe even of the week--away from all other contenders, via TPM café.
Have I become shrill? Is it possible for anyone in our Reality Based Community to doubt that Bush is the Worst President Ever?
Wealth is relative. The current spending binge by Bushco has us in a bad sort right now, but the fallout hasn't hit yet.
Contantly forced to raise the national debt limit doesn't bode well. But as Reagan proved, don't worry, all that's for later.
It actually all starts to make sense once you realize that they don't want government to work
Of course, that's the idea all along. Put an incompetent idiot in charge and you can claim the entire system is so incompetent that it's not worth saving.
Put an incompetent idiot in charge
You mean like Harry Reid?
ProfWombat | 03.18.06 - 10:49 pm |
Forget about that particular year and think of a young, growing United States that had not yet reached its climax of military or industrial capacity, where the citizens felts a certain definite way toward the nation in terms of duty and so on, and now compare it to the present. Which side would win in a fair fight? Well, since the definintion of the present is the selling-out of all that was good for quicker cheaper tech that would be the first to go to equalize the fight, not us.
There was a skit with the original SNL players called "Placenta Helper" ala Hamburger Helper. It was written up, even rehearsed, but at the last minute it was (cut? dropped? taken out?). Even that rowdy group decided it was a bit too much.
Nope. I saw the skit. Might have been watered down, but wasn't banned altogether.
I'd argue that the country is richer than it was in 1935, but we still have a wee problem with wealth distribution, and it's been growing more acute since 1980 or thereabouts.
You're not kidding about wealth distribution. Here's a beautfiul lttle paper on the subject:
Europhys. Lett., 69 (2), pp. 304–310 (2005) .
It shows conclusively that since '83 the vast majority of the US population have been jsut basically keeping up with inflation. While the income of an elite has grown from aound 5% of total US income in '83 to about 20% today. Krugman has it right on -- there is a new oligarchy skimming the cream, and the rest of us are just getting by.
Well, we can always eat the rich when Social Security runs out. Why is it Roosevelt understood this and today's conservatives don't?
does everyone where their screen names at the convention?
We did last time. And the badges had gravatars.
I guess I'll have to guess everyone's weight then.
And the badges had gravatars.
What about gravatas?
Did you have to look that up or do you know it by heart?
Unfortunately, I had to look up the verses...
That's my favorite ride at Disneyland! Even more than "Indiana Jones" (which is truly awesome) and "Haunted Mansion"...
I'd say NTodd goes about 190lbs
k&y: I now agree with you more. Citizens back then lied about their age to enter the army...
Well, we can always eat the rich when Social Security runs out.
Ick. They'll be too tough and stringy.
Oh, Fuck, I just posted a note to politica about donating, and it got lost in the ether.
Politica, for a less polite answer, but nonetheless heartfelt, please click on homepage. I'm sorry.
I can't be articulate two times in a row. Just not gonna happen.
IBO313, I am deadly serious this day. But you are helping. Truly.
I'd say NTodd goes about 190lbs
I have gained 10 lbs over the last 18 months, but I'm not that heavy.
It's related to the discovery that shocked Washington pundits make that labor market statistics are measured by a SAMPLE!
We could have kept the placenta.
Thers, Congratulations! I posted Sean Patrick's natal chart on my blog.
I am not making this up: my son's and daughter-in-law's childbirth teacher kept the placenta from her childbirth, dried it, and made a print with it using some kind of ink. I really am not making this up.
I say NTodd at 169.5. Maybe 170.
I can't be articulate two times in a row. Just not gonna happen.
Vicki | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 10:54 pm | #
ok so donations are for her return trip?
or for an existing project in NOLA?
I have gained 10 lbs over the last 18 months, but I'm not that heavy.
It's all muscle, right, Apollo?
A.
175
She's as good a reporter as lots of reporters I know, Scout is. You can always teach people mechanics but she has the eye for details and the voice for a good quote and she busts her ass for it. That's inspiring, goddammit.
Because it's the story, and that's all she cares about.
She also knows we will read her and that we respect her ideas.
Scout really is on the cutting edge of a new communal journalism. It's astonishing.
Contantly forced to raise the national debt limit doesn't bode well. But as Reagan proved, don't worry, all that's for later.
Worse, Bernanke stopped publishing the M3 on March 6th. Now few people will actually know how much money the USA is printing to cover inflation. It's obvious they have something to hide, and that's the backroom debt they've actually run up.
The gov't paid the interest on the 1970's debt with printed money. Ford did it, as did Carter and Saint Ronald as well.
We're in for some terrific inflation, and the Chinese will see their investment in us dwindle to nothing as the Yuan goes down along with the dollar.
Hecate - I've heard of some very strange things people have done with placentas. Eating the damn thing is mild.
Apropos of nothing, I finally updated the Atriots and Atriot Companions photo albums. Now pictured: Zap, Monkeyfister and Silleigh, along with the cats of St Gregory's Abbey.
Note at the end of Lord Saletan's article
A version of this article also appears in the Outlook section of the Sunday Washington Post.
ok so donations are for her return trip?
Yes. We'll make interest on it in the account we've opened up. She is considering returning around the 1 year anniversary.
She's done a great job with this, IMO.
I can't be articulate two times in a row. Just not gonna happen
It did when I talked (and danced) with you...
That reminds me I should buy a scale.
NTodd, that is @ 175.
I love King of Queens.
(don't tell anybody)
.
That's my favorite ride at Disneyland! Even more than "Indiana Jones" (which is truly awesome) and "Haunted Mansion"...
dave™© | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 10:53 pm | #
My favorite too! I actually took my kids for the first time this past summer. It was my Dad's dream come true: the first thing he said to me when I told him I was pregnant with my first child was "you mean I'm gonna have someone to take to Disneyland"! It's great to see all the words to the song ('cause of course, all I can ever remember is "Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me")
It actually all starts to make sense once you realize that they don't want government to work. They don't want people to be able to count on it. They don't want people to demand accountability, oversight, and competence from those who do the people's business. They want the last bits of the social contract to be ripped to smithereens. And the fact is, social security works fairly well. As does medicare (except Part D)--
ProfWombat
Repeal the 1986 Tax Reform Act on top tax rates. What a sham that was, and sponsored officially by liberal Democrats no less. Lowered the top tax rate from 50% to 28% while raising the bottom rate from 11% to 15%.
It's all muscle, right, Apollo?
Alas, I've been drinking too much Ambrosia, Starbuck. But I promise to ride my Viper like a madman this summer...
some very strange things people have done with placentas
I could maybe go for using it as fertilizer for a tree planted in the baby's honor, but the drying it and making a print thing was too much even for me, and that's saying something.
Scout is terrific.
She's done a great job with this, IMO.
Vicki | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 10:57 pm | #
Ok I'll do a write up about her.
Thanks for helping
Thers ...
Mazel tov!
Okay, I like to be at 175, but right now I hover between 180 and 185. Who knew that red wine had calories, and that sitting around blogging instead of working out doesn't burn them off?
I could maybe go for using it as fertilizer for a tree planted in the baby's honor
==
Yep, that's the only one that ever made any sense to me, too.
Scout: there needs to be a vision, not just isolated charities doing small things which, while appreciated, can't encompass the problem.
"It's a false choice, bad government or not government." SUCH A GOOD POINT.
She said people told her, "I can't believe this is America."
A.
It did when I talked (and danced) with you...
FeralLiberal
Awwwhhh.
Thank you!
Okay, I like to be at 175, but right now I hover between 180 and 185. Who knew that red wine had calories, and that sitting around blogging instead of working out doesn't burn them off?
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 11:00 pm | #
I demand a recount! I think I was pretty dang close.
She's as good a reporter as lots of reporters I know, Scout is. You can always teach people mechanics but she has the eye for details and the voice for a good quote and she busts her ass for it. That's inspiring, goddammit.
A-fucking-men.
My favorite too!
The great thing about "Pirates of the Caribbean" is the sheer physicality of it. Last time my wife and I were there, we went on it four times. I noticed on our third go-through when we pulled into the set where the two boats are in the middle of a firefight on open seas that the fog had settled in just right. It's that randomness based on factors not even Uncle Walt could control that makes it such a great ride...
But I promise to ride my Viper like a madman this summer...
Ooh, baby baby baby ...
A.
Okay, I like to be at 175, but right now I hover between 180 and 185. Who knew that red wine had calories, and that sitting around blogging instead of working out doesn't burn them off?
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket
NTodd, I'd think you were gorgeous at 250....
You look great, seriously.
and try bloggingjacks!
NTodd - you have room for the weight, and more. You look fine.
sitting around blogging instead of working out doesn't burn them off?
I hate how that happens. If only blogging burned calories!
The other thing that Scout does, in addition to all of the excellent points that Athenae made, is she listens.
She listens, and she notes, and she doesn't forget...
I demand a recount! I think I was pretty dang close.
It doesn't count until EschaCon II, and believe me, I'll be riding my ass off and working out as much as humanly possible. Starting in April. I totally swear.
we need pedal powered puters
The Pubes can't stand anything even remotely Rooseveltian, God forbid government should work for the people. All SS does is enable those old-fart miscreants who don't own oil stock. Let 'em eat Alpo!!
we need pedal powered puters
politica - persecutor
You could win the inventor show with that idea!
Seriously.
My idea. You invent it. We split the payola.
If only blogging burned calories!
It would if the Cybersex Suit hadn't been recalled for safety reasons.
Politica, when I make a bicycle go by pooter power.
If only blogging burned calories!
==
I think it does, but only in the headular region, which then gets steadily smaller in relation to the rest of the body....
It doesn't count until EschaCon II, and believe me, I'll be riding my ass off and working out as much as humanly possible. Starting in April. I totally swear.
(arches eyebrow)
Thank you!
You're welcome good lady...
Wait. That was your idea!
Nope. I saw the skit. Might have been watered down, but wasn't banned altogether.
Thers, Paterfamilias
Damn! I've got to get that copied. I watched the early versions of that show very studiously and I missed that altogether, even on the video best-ofs. There was quite a famous discussion behind the scenes as to whether or not it would air.
VENTURE!
Lisa is rocking on who are the winners...
Damn.
Oh man, now I'm hungry. Hanker for a hunk a cheese.
BRB. In the meantime, people should download my podcast celebrating the Iraq War's 3rd anniversary.
Starting in April. I totally swear.
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 11:02 pm | #
I gotta start before then 'cause I have a big gig on April 1st and I don't wanna do the fat-lady-sings thing... Meanwhile I'm sitting here dreaming of a giant sandwich.
Tristero,
As a New Yorker, I wonder if you were particularly shocked by the NYT article "Police Memos Say Arrest Tactics Calmed Protest" (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/nyregion/ 17police.html) which stated in no uncertain terms that, "Among the most effective strategies, one police captain wrote, was the seizure of demonstrators on Fifth Avenue who were described as "obviously potential rioters."
"Obviously potential rioters."
No crime or misdemeanor committed. Americans were arrested for being "obviously potential rioters."
I thought I couldn't be shocked any longer by our apparently unstoppable descent into fascism.
Aris | 03.18.06 - 9:52 am
well i think they already got that
you just pedal into a power bank and run anything off of it including a computer
i saw that albino-looking guy from St. Elsewhere do that
we need pedal powered puters.
I think they already have those...
well i think they already got that
Damn!
And here I was hoping...
She listens, and she notes, and she doesn't forget...
Vicki
==
That's how she comes across to me as a person. As someone who's paying attention. And thinking. Which is what it takes to do anything well. It doesn't hurt that she's smart and goodhearted.
The other thing that Scout does, in addition to all of the excellent points that Athenae made, is she listens.
She listens, and she notes, and she doesn't forget...
Yep. Gets out of the way of it. You would not believe the people who come out of journalism school and don't know how to do this. And she just does it.
A.
A brief history on tax rates. Note tax rates during the crash of '29 or the run-up to our huge deficits, the lowest on record. Note too the top rates during those halcyon days of yore the conservatives love to invoke, the blessed Ozzie and Harriet '50s when people were moral and happy.
Income Tax Rate History
YEAR MAXIMUM INDIVIDUAL RATE
1913 7%
1916 15%
1917 67%
1918 77%
1920 65%
1921 50%
1924 40%
1926 25%
1934 63%
1936 79%
1941 81%
1942 88%
1944 94%
1945 91%
BTW, NYers,
4/7 - watertiger emcees the next "Mayhem on Mulberry" fight night.
(pushes the chocolate away)
1951 92%
1954 91%
1964 77%
1970 70%
1981 50%
1987 38.5%
1988 28%
1989-90 33%
1991-92 31%
1993-2000 39.6%
I didn't think it would go on this long...
I would have been here for live blogging if I thought you guys were listening.
I should have known better.
Thers, I think seeing a placenta would put me off sex, and I'm female. No, I don't want kids, why'd'you ask? *grin*
I'm so pleased on behalf of Scout! If anyone wants any of my huge repository of Katrina primary source documents, please let me know by posting a comment in my blog or e-mailing me.
Speaking of my blog, here's a question for the Atriot brain trust: What happened in 1996?
Scout: call your congressman on the levees and the buyout plan, and don't forget us. And vote.
A.
4/7 - watertiger emcees the next "Mayhem on Mulberry" fight night.
(pushes the chocolate away)
watertiger | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 11:07 pm | #
where is that?
A great interview.
Congrats to all involved.
Placentas are beautiful, believe it or not...
1954 91%
Fucking Eisenhower. What a pussy socialist he was.
where is that?
NYC. Mulberry btwn Houston and Prince.
So who's played the Patriot Act Game?
Allright, I'm out for supper. I'll see you all later.
Thanks, watertiger, but thank you, and everyone who contributed, listened, or read...
Thanks!
NTodd - you have room for the weight, and more. You look fine.
mena
NO ....
oh what's the point?
.
NYC. Mulberry btwn Houston and Prince.
watertiger | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 11:09 pm | #
Oh my favorite part of the City due to the Knitting Factory.
Have I become shrill? Is it possible for anyone in our Reality Based Community to doubt that Bush is the Worst President Ever?
---------
No contest.
No president before him combined opportunity, means and motive to this extent.
No matter how hard Millard Fillmore tried, he could not ruin our country and much of the world as W. has done.
The problem now is making people understand that the current mess is not the result of Bush's personal failure: it is the fruition of an attitude towards government that has driven the republican party, the conservative movement, and big business for decades.
They have been trying to unravel the New Deal and eradicate liberal democracy. They even tried a fascist putsch in 1934 against FDR (google Gen. Smedley Butler). Let's hope we can stop them before it's too late. The best way is to call attention to the agenda and the players that put Bush in power to begin with.
Since you are all Scout Primed - here is something you should see
I am going to go throw up now...
http://us.video.aol.com/video.in...&
pmmsid=1472048
Yeah, I always like bringing up those income tax rates to wingnuts waxing nostalgiac about how great things used to be "in the good old days". That's because the top tax bracket was 90%, you fucking pricks, and we stuck it to the corporations, too!
Allright, I'm out for supper. I'll see you all later.
mena
Supper. Cool! Do you call lunch dinner?
Great Job, lb0313!
1954 91%
Fucking Eisenhower. What a pussy socialist he was.
Max Planck
Now that was a time of real suffering. Oops! I take that back. That was a time of huge expansion in home ownership, higher education and possibly the most equal distribution of wealth in the country's history.
Damn those pot smoking, free loving hippies of the '60s for lowering the marginal tax rates on top income brackets and destroying family values.
Placentas are beautiful, believe it or not...
Matter of perspecive, never seen one myself, so I'll have to take your word for it...
Hi--My Comcast hasn't been working today. Neither has Yahoo, so I couldn't write my ex-e-boyfriend. So I'm not quite working either, not having a boyfriend. Do I get a discount? I doubt so
Note too the top rates during those halcyon days of yore the conservatives love to invoke, the blessed Ozzie and Harriet '50s when people were moral and happy.
Damn them, Truman and Eisenhower for paying down the WWII debts. And the Marshall Plan!!! Damn them.
Thank you all for sending scout my way.
And for anything you do to help keep some focus this way. It is indeed appreciated.
Goodnight, Sweet Moonbats!
kidnap poem by Nikki Giovanni
ever been kidnapped/by a poet
if i were a poet/i'd kidnap you
put you in my phrases and meter
you to jones beach/or maybe coney island
or maybe just to my house/lyric you in lilacs
dash you in the rain/blend into the beach
to complement my see/play the lyre for you
ode you with my love song/anything to win you
wrap you in the red Black green
show you off to mama
yeah if i were a poet i'd kid
nap you
Goodnight, Sweet Moonbats!
kidnap poem by Nikki Giovanni
ever been kidnapped/by a poet
if i were a poet/i'd kidnap you
put you in my phrases and meter
you to jones beach/or maybe coney island
or maybe just to my house/lyric you in lilacs
dash you in the rain/blend into the beach
to complement my see/play the lyre for you
ode you with my love song/anything to win you
wrap you in the red Black green
show you off to mama
yeah if i were a poet i'd kid
nap you
Hi--My Comcast hasn't been working today. Neither has Yahoo, so I couldn't write my ex-e-boyfriend. So I'm not quite working either, not having a boyfriend. Do I get a discount? I doubt so
I feel your pain. Same problems. Same servers or whatever they are...
{{{draco}}}
NTodd,
I didn't see any pics of Mexico in your Atriots' companions. He deserves to be enshrined therein, I believe!
Have I become shrill? Is it possible for anyone in our Reality Based Community to doubt that Bush is the Worst President Ever?
---------
No contest.
Sorry, my vote is still for James Buchanan. But shrub is comming in a cloase second and he still has 3 years.
And for anything you do to help keep some focus this way. It is indeed appreciated.
lb0313 | 03.18.06 - 11:13 pm | #
Please bookmark:
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I think you'll find a lot of good news and interesting events in your area there.
IBO313, you were wonderful. I loves me liberal and (it goes without saying) intelligent, well-spoken women..
I didn't see any pics of Mexico in your Atriots' companions. He deserves to be enshrined therein, I believe!
Oh yeah, I'd better add him. I guess I'll keep Cairo up there, even though she lives with the dumb, selfish, lying S2BX.
Well, we can always eat the rich when Social Security runs out. Why is it Roosevelt understood this and today's conservatives don't?
I don't think they are safe and tasty food to eat. I do know a mink farmer. We could feed the rich to the minks, then we all could have mink coats. (warm, though this is kind of tough on th minks)
Time to bail myself, goodnight mena, Vicki, WT and all. Sleep well, Moonbats...
I just saw that beautiful picture of Cairo -- makes me sad, it does. But please keep it up. She's such a lovie. I always looked forward to your pictures of her, especially when she was carrying a tree trunk almost bigger than she.
Goodnight, Feral darling! Come to Michigan!
the eyes!
http://static.flickr.com/43/
1142..._6983d9350a.jpg
"We want to put an end to this insane war and to spend money where it is needed, for example on the people hurt by hurricane Katrina," said Marcial Guerra, of A.N.S.W.E.R., or Act Now to Stop War & End Racism, which organized the rally.
http://cbs2.com/topstories/
local..._077164452.html
That's because the top tax bracket was 90%, you fucking pricks, and we stuck it to the corporations, too!
Yes, and as we can all see, they became fabulously wealthy regardless. Perhaps there's a connection to the middle class having some money to spend for a change. Too bad the middle class is now disappearing. Maybe the corporations will go broke then.
Oh, what a happy day that'll be, watching them starve along with us. (sic).
Sorry, my vote is still for James Buchanan.
Buchanan didn't have the luxury of answering only to God. He was a complete putz as President, but he was by no means an imbecilic man.
Done politica. Tks
{{{Hug}}} DWD
Night all
Do you suppose Bush will go down not just as the worst president ever, but as the goofiest?
What is the top tax rate for personal income, not counting capital gains. The last I heard, it was 39%. I think it's dropped since then.
goodnight lb
'night all
Doug,
What kinnna cat is that?
.
Vicki--You're as funny as NTodd. I ;ike hearing from you both
g'night Prof
Well, we can always eat the rich when Social Security runs out. Why is it Roosevelt understood this and today's conservatives don't?
Vietnam, '64 to '74, marginal rate cut from 91% to 70%. It was a cliche' that Johnson was running the war on the come, cutting taxes while spending billions on a foreign civil war we never had a chance of winning (unless you were one of the let's use tactical nuclear weapons Goldwater bunch).
Nobody gets the pony story completely right anymore, but that just makes it all the more hilarious. It's got a life of its own.
But we wrote it down!
NTodd, Marquis de Condorket
The best part of the pony story - apart from that fact that it signifies a slow national return to sanity - is that it reminds me to go over to NTodd's place and reread it. That last paragraph of Athenae's is just inspired. Somewhere, Hunter S. Thompson is smiling.
What kinnna cat is that?
One with a long nose, big fangs, floppy ears, and a wagging tail. (don't tell her though)
Goodnight, y'all.
I'm fighting depression at the moment. I think that sleep is the most loving thing I can do for me at the moment!
I don't want to have to go on meds, so...
Peace.
Goodnight.
I love you guys, and I'm very, very proud of Scout Prime.
*Mwah!*
Vicki, sleep well. You of all people don't deserve to be depressed!
g'night Vicki
I'll check my email thingy again.
sheets!
Why is Vicki depressed?
Did I miss anything?
Sean Patrick for president in 2044!
Since you are all Scout Primed - here is something you should see
holy shit.
What is the top tax rate for personal income, not counting capital gains. The last I heard, it was 39%. I think it's dropped since then.
Doug
34%, and what many people discount is that is on *taxable* income, not gross income, so the effective rate is quite lower than that even. We are *not* taxed heavily on the federal income level in this country compared to the rest of the world.
That last paragraph of Athenae's is just inspired.
Just fucking kills me. 'course, her writing generally does that.
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holy shit.
Yup
34%, and what many people discount is that is on *taxable* income, not gross income, so the effective rate is quite lower than that even. We are *not* taxed heavily on the federal income level in this country compared to the rest of the world.
Max Planck | 03.18.06 - 11:23 pm | #
People also discount the fact that the highest income tax rate is a *marginal* rate, so it doesn't even apply to all taxable income. The wealthiest Americans pay incredibly low taxes, especially if you include how little they pay on unearned income.
what many people discount is that is on *taxable* income, not gross income, so the effective rate is quite lower than that even.
If your income is enough to be near that top rate, then it's also well worth the cost to take your tax affairs to a tax accountant or lawyer, which is entirely a different level of expertise then what you get from a H&R block tax person or doing it yourself on Turbo tax (or whatever piece of software you use.)
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Buchanan didn't have the luxury of answering only to God. He was a complete putz as President, but he was by no means an imbecilic man.
Well I'll give shrub the benefit of the doubt -- I don't think hes a total drooling imbecile, although he plays one on TV, quite well I'd say. But smarts is not always a predictor of success (eg. Woodrow Wlison). Buchanan's incompetence brought on the civil war. Shrub's got some big shoes to fill if he wants to approach that level of failure.
NTodd--what is SB35sx, or whatever? Is that some Sci-fi term?
What is the top tax rate for personal income, not counting capital gains. The last I heard, it was 39%. I think it's dropped since then.
Doug
That's it above. Here's capital gains, also at or near historic lows. The past 50 years have been all about the further accumulation of wealth by the wealthy few, with barely lip service paid by the Democratic Party.
Note, the official sponsors of the 1986 Tas reform Act were Richard Gephardt Bill Bradley.
http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/t...D%20tax%20rate'
If you make the assumption that shrub isn't working for the everyday public, but some of the moneyed people, then he's not incompetent. They are doing very well.
Buchanan's incompetence brought on the civil war. Shrub's got some big shoes to fill if he wants to approach that level of failure.
Gary Queen of Scots | 03.18.06 - 11:26 pm | #
Bush has already brought about a civil war in Iraq, and he's well on his way to destabilizing the Middle East further. He is also making a grand effort to reverse the detente between India and Pakistan.
Don't count our boy Bush out yet. He has almost three more years to bring about the end of the world.
Evacuee,
Precisely. It doesn't take long working with the Internal Revenue Code to discern that it is a giant shell game.
Who is Sean Patrick exactly? Lots of females seem to like him. I'm homo, so likely would take a look at him. But who is he and where might I know gim from?
People also discount the fact that the highest income tax rate is a *marginal* rate, so it doesn't even apply to all taxable income. The wealthiest Americans pay incredibly low taxes, especially if you include how little they pay on unearned income. - Evacuee
Keep in mind the more you earn in the top bracket the lower your tax rate. SSI caps at what $44k as 12.5% of your adjusted gross income.
Draco, Sean Patrick was born on Friday at 4:52PM to NYMary and Thers. I doubt he is much interested.
Buchanan's incompetence brought on the civil war. Shrub's got some big shoes to fill if he wants to approach that level of failure.
Gary Queen of Scots | 03.18.06 - 11:26 pm | #
Shit Gary, those guns were primed at the ratification of the Constitution. Some of them started firing during his administration. Pierce, Fillmore, a whole string of Presidencies looks the other way prior to Lincoln, who was left holding the bag.
Precisely. It doesn't take long working with the Internal Revenue Code to discern that it is a giant shell game.
Max Planck
The most gauling part or the rhetoric is the argument about "fairness," that if should you become rich the government would take away most of it. They package tax policy like a lotto. "Hey, you could win the lotto. You don't want the government to take it all away in taxes do you?"
Of course, most people don't become rich. It's a sucker bet. That lotto is rigged to benefit the already rich.
The most egregious argument though is the extortive claim that if you don't let them have low rates you'll they'll impoverish you further by not investing their increased income.
The most egregious argument though is the extortive claim that if you don't let them have low rates you'll they'll impoverish you further by not investing their increased income.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 11:39 pm | #
That argument pisses me off, too. It is based on unstated (and largely untrue) assumptions.
NTodd--okay if I send you pics of my companions?
Buchanan's incompetence brought on the civil war. Shrub's got some big shoes to fill if he wants to approach that level of failure.
Gary Queen of Scots | 03.18.06 - 11:26 pm | #
Bush has already brought about a civil war in Iraq, and he's well on his way to destabilizing the Middle East further. He is also making a grand effort to reverse the detente between India and Pakistan.
...And he most certainly has NOT united his own country. He has us at each other's throats.
An ironic liberal is a conservative, Lord Saletan.
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