I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Boobs of mass destruction sold here.
in our name? Not mine
3rd
Ruled by fucking idiots.
power to the people.
Why is that so frightening to the Monarchy?
you know why this is so hard for the press to state this clearly?
because they don't want to.
Didn't Iran recently sign a treaty with Russia or China that said if Iran were attacked whichever country (or both) would defend them?
boobs of mass destruction, or mass distraction?
hehehe!
Poppie--I'm not sure; I've reached the age where gravity is working.
I'm glad someone has pointed out the obvious: Bush suspended habeas corpus years ago. The media's failure to mtention that one over-riding fact is far worse even than the cheerleading that got us into Iraq. We have an incipient dictatorship, and the media wants to talk about Cynthia McKinney.
Boobs of mass destruction sold here.
Sign me up!
Poppie--I'm not sure; I've reached the age where gravity is working.
hee! that's not a problem! boobs don't have to be perky to be pleasing!
Scottie, White House, defend Clinton unloading on Lewinsky:
Bush spokesman draws a distinction between releases in 'public interest' and those that threaten security.
you know why this is so hard for the press to state this clearly?
because they don't want to.
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka
Hammer.
Nail.
Hit.
you know why this is so hard for the press to state this clearly?
because they don't want to.
Absolutely. Because then they'd have to get down from their lofty perch and actually do something about it. And God forbid they actually participate in our Democracy.
Absolute totalitarian rule ain't so bad.
Neither is slavery.
So what if you are reduced to a piece of meat that lives and dies at some ruler's wish.
Enjoy your second-class humanity and servitude.
Some are better than others. Some are born to rule, and others are born to die at the ruler's command.
Now, if only you "angry left" blog people could understand these things, the corporate rulers and their media, and their Republican puppets (as well as their Democratic Party collaborators) could continue to function unchallenged.
Why can't you "far lefties" just shut up, and be content to be no more than pawns and potential targets in some bigger fish's game?
Ah, sallyh, you could distract me with a smile. I'd never have to look below your neck. Though I probably would, in thefullness of time...
boobs of mass destruction, or mass distraction?
hehehe!
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka
NO FLIRTING!
OR STRANGE TOUCHING!
Silly moonbats. The Bill of Rights applies to the government, not the people! Our Founding Fathers recognized the importance of protecting our terrorist-hunters from liberals complaining about "rights" and "freedoms."
NO FLIRTING!
OR STRANGE TOUCHING!
well, what's the point of living, then?!?!?!?!?
Why can't you "far lefties" just shut up, and be content to be no more than pawns and potential targets in some bigger fish's game?
Ghost of Stalin
This could have just as easily been the post of any Straussian neocon asswipe.
Very easily.
From The New Yorker article:
The lack of reliable intelligence leaves military planners, given the goal of totally destroying the sites, little choice but to consider the use of tactical nuclear weapons. “Every other option, in the view of the nuclear weaponeers, would leave a gap,” the former senior intelligence official said. “ ‘Decisive’ is the key word of the Air Force’s planning. It’s a tough decision. But we made it in Japan.”
Hiroshima.
Nagasaki.
Remember.
From The New Yorker article:
The lack of reliable intelligence leaves military planners, given the goal of totally destroying the sites, little choice but to consider the use of tactical nuclear weapons. “Every other option, in the view of the nuclear weaponeers, would leave a gap,” the former senior intelligence official said. “ ‘Decisive’ is the key word of the Air Force’s planning. It’s a tough decision. But we made it in Japan.”
Hiroshima.
Nagasaki.
Remember.
its the same in Britain.
I refer to a story from last week
Two grandmothers from Yorkshire face up to a year in prison after becoming the first people to be arrested under the Government's latest anti-terror legislation.
Helen John, 68, and Sylvia Boyes, 62, both veterans of the Greenham Common protests 25 years ago, were arrested on Saturday after deliberately setting out to highlight a change in the law which civil liberties groups say will criminalise free speech and further undermine the right to peaceful demonstration.
Under the little-noticed legislation, which came into effect last week, protesters who breach any one of 10 military bases across Britain will be treated as potential terrorists and face up to a year in jail or £5,000 fine. The protests are curtailed under the Home Secretary's Serious Organised Crime and Police Act.
there's a sports writer in Houston who is usually an interesting listen on the radio. on fridays he talks about his favorite movie.
he said that no one should go to see V for Vendetta, because the movie was okay until the end, "but the ending was just ridiculous and unbelievable" and i was gobstopped.
are people really that out of touch?
ProfWombat has mail.
he said that no one should go to see V for Vendetta, because the movie was okay until the end, "but the ending was just ridiculous and unbelievable" and i was gobstopped.
Translation: This movie is doubleplusungood, and is contrary to the principles of INGSOC. If you go see this movie, you will be exposed to Goldsteinism.
boobs of mass destruction, or mass distraction?
Oh no.
I'm definitely seeing Bush with a thin little moustache prancing around in a uniform, looking sorta like Charlie Chaplin in The Great Dictator.
"...totally destroying the sites"...?!
Well, dead men tell no tales and totally destroyed sites cannot be investigated as to whether the intelligence was good (or not).
FUCK!
FFFFfffUUUUUCCCCKKKK!
Mention of Air Force blitheness re nuclear weapons recalls the periodic scandals regarding excessive evalengical Christian activity in their academy. Would that those with nukes were less scary people. I have the odd, perhaps rootless-in-reality gestalt of navy people being more trustworthy with missile submarines than the Top Gun types are with their planes...
OT, but only a little, from a dead thread, regarding the scandalous treatment of Sallyh by the thugs and morons at tsa!~
From every affront for which you have no recourse, no appeal,
such as those experienced today by our friend Sallyh, you and we LOSE a little something of our freedom, and a bit our our spirit is damaged...
these affronts occur daily to hundreds of thousands of individuals who DARE NOT complain...for reasons having to do with their social and cultural locations...
and each one leaves the victim a little bit diminished, a little more likely to absorb the NEXT blow, too, without complaint, because complaint is both useless, and futile, and it could be damaging to you...
that screener 'joke' commercial with Kathy Griffin ripping of the guy's soft-drink with the blatant appeal to the threat of official action for complaining...not fucking funny!
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I would like to see someone ask Scotty if the administration believes that it is in the public's best interest that the president have full support for his policies. The "political vs. public interest" distinction is ridiculous.
Apprentice to Darth Tigerous--do you also post here under another name?
Sallyh! Are you no longer snow bound?
(Helloscam can kiss my shiny metal ass)
Translation: This movie is doubleplusungood, and is contrary to the principles of INGSOC. If you go see this movie, you will be exposed to Goldsteinism.
i mean, i couldn't understand how someone could go to the movie and not be whacked over the head with the parallels, and also fail to see the similarities!
Maybe, maybe, he found it unbelievable because the seething mass actually won?
(not likely)
Old Man--thankfully, I am at my home in LA. I've never been so happy to be here.
Well, okay, yes, I have.
Cam we impeach Bush before he nukes Iran on the grounds that he is clearly FUCKING CRAZY to even consider nuking Iran?
OT: Fighters cross the divide for peace in Middle East
Bassam Aramin vividly describes the shock of his first meeting with the fresh faced, pony-tailed Noam Hayut. Three years ago, at the height of the intifada, Noam had been the commander at the biggest checkpoint in the West Bank between Jerusalem and Ramallah - for Palestinians like Bassam the most hated symbol of their lack of freedom of movement.
"I stared at his face and he said 'why are you looking at me?' I said: 'I want to be convinced you are an Israeli Jew who commanded the Qalandiya checkpoint. I don't see this in you. You are a human being.'" Both men recall it as a deeply uncomfortable first encounter, despite Noam's harsh self-criticism over what he did as an Israeli soldier and officer. "He said: 'I consider all of what I've done is terrorism,'" Bassam recalled. "I told him: 'It's true. All you did is terrorism.'"
"The first time I was speaking it was not easy for Bassam to hear what I did in Beit Jala [a notorious flash point of the conflict] or in the neighbourhoods around Qalandiya," remembers Noam. "And it wasn't easy for me to hear he attacked a soldier. I thought: that could have been me."
I'm definitely seeing Bush with a thin little moustache prancing around in a uniform, looking sorta like Charlie Chaplin in The Great Dictator.
someone with better photoshop skillz than i have should totally do that! Attaturk, where are you?!?
(and yes, i realize that isn't saying much about my own "skillz"! )
I have to tell y'all an OT story I should have told on the religion thread but it hadn't happened yet. I was in the drugstore earlier and when I got to the cash register, the young woman was talking to a young guy who also works for the store. I set down the basket and the the girl said: Can I ask you something? I said sure. She asked me if Jesus and the dinosaurs had existed at the same time. That's what they were talking about. I explained it all very patiently - Jesus, 2000 years ago, historical period, dinosaurs the Jurassic, millions of years ago and they both listened and then when I was done, the girl said: So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
Just fucking shoot me already, please.
have the odd, perhaps rootless-in-reality gestalt of navy people being more trustworthy with missile submarines than the Top Gun types are with their planes...
OK, I'm slipping into the ex-military pedeantic role here...the same one I fell into when Atrios made the mistake of refering to an M2 Bradley mech infantry fighting vehicle as a "tank"...
"Top Gun" is a naval aviation term. "Top Gun" was about naval aviators.
The USAF is indeed infested with fundie end times types. The Navy and Army, fortunately, not so much so, with the obvious exception of the disgrace to his stars Boykin.
thankfully, I am at my home in LA. I've never been so happy to be here.
No one had to eat anyone I trust?
Apprentice: thanks; I'm not deeply informed about the military...
Woody--it's not even about me any longer; that ended when I boarded my flight.
It is about how our civil liberties are gone, gone, gone, and how subtly they've been eaten away. Like a frog being slowly heated to boiling, we hardly noticed.
It's about the power this regime has taken upon itself and how we are now subjects, not citizens.
"...totally destroying the sites"...?!
Well, dead men tell no tales and totally destroyed sites cannot be investigated as to whether the intelligence was good (or not).
FUCK!
FFFFfffUUUUUCCCCKKKK!
Darryl Pearce
My feelings exactly.
Old Man--no, but there was record consumption of 3.2 beer in the lobby until they finally got the vans up the mountain.
I didn't even know Pabst Blue Ribbon still existed.
Iran
Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb” if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.”
here we go again
“There’s no pressure from Congress” not to take military action, the House member added. “The only political pressure is from the guys who want to do it.” Speaking of President Bush, the House member said, “The most worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision.”
...and then when I was done, the girl said: So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
I've never seen Tyrannosaurus rex in the manger scene.
Suppose I coulda missed it.
So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
how... how..
how do you even respond to such...
such... ignorance?
I think the media is starting to see the forest for the trees. Too little, too late, but even they can't be obtuse forever. It is kinda hard to wrap your brain around the idea that we've got a tyrant in charge, and it must be harder for the media since they realize they're part of how he got there.
BUSH/CHENEY '04:
Better to rule in hell
than serve in heaven.
What happened Sallyh?
Another thing no one seems to want to acknowledge is that once the Office of the President asserts a power unchallenged by Congress or the courts, then that is a de facto "precedent." Especially when our "state of war" is so ridiculously tenuous.
Old Man--isn't there a clause for mental disability in drawing up articles of impeachment?
I've never seen Tyrannosaurus rex in the manger scene.
You never visited my house when I was a kid.
Apprentice to Darth Tigerous--do you also post here under another name?
Halfdan
Yeah, I adopted the new persona as the result of a thread last week where watertiger became the Dark Lord of the Sith and needed a flunky to hunt down the producers of "Armegeddon" for appropriate punishment.
Prior to that used my own name, Gary Frazier.
Old Man--inappropriate body search, confiscation of 'American Theocracy.' And they were pretty rough on my laptop and nearly destroyed my poster.
Thais hold victory rally
Thousands have gathered in the shadow of Thailand's royal palace in a victory rally after the prime minister was forced to step aside.
People flew kites and Thai flags, or played traditional ball games while vendors did a brisk business selling anti-Thaksin Shinawatra T-shirts as people poured into Sanam Luang field, the site of previous mass protests.
Special Branch Police said 18,000 people had gathered by 9pm (1400 GMT).
Dej Poomkacha, a former university lecturer, said: "It's been a week of awakening for the common people. If you look at Europe and America, they had revolutions. The Thai people want the same.
I've never seen Tyrannosaurus rex in the manger scene.
Now there's an idea!
I might actually have to put up a manger scene next christmas time and add the three wise dinosaurs to the scene.
.
Woody--it's not even about me any longer; that ended when I boarded my flight.
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Good lord, Sallyh. What happened to you?
I didn't even know Pabst Blue Ribbon still existed.
Great Ba'al! It was a worse ordeal than I thought
Old Man--isn't there a clause for mental disability in drawing up articles of impeachment?
No, not re: impeachement. You're thinking about presidential disability and succession, as laid out by Amendment XXV. Mental disability would fit there, but ain't a high crime or misdemeanor from an impeachment POV...
Old Man--I'd have taken a Bud tallboy over that, but it's what the gift shop had.
Old Man--isn't there a clause for mental disability in drawing up articles of impeachment?
25th ammendmant IIRC.
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It is about how our civil liberties are gone, gone, gone, and how subtly they've been eaten away. Like a frog being slowly heated to boiling, we hardly noticed.
That's what happens with civil liberties - they take them slowly and people don't notice until it's too late. Most Americans haven't felt it yet and they don't get it. We do. We have got to fight back.
It's either that, or I'm going to go pretend to break into my friend's house at about 3AM and see if he will pull his glock out and kill me. This is gotten to the point where it's do or die.
It's about the power this regime has taken upon itself and how we are now subjects, not citizens.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere - 2:11 pm
yeah, that was really my point, too...we all are diminished when one of us is mistreated: the 'none of us is free when one of us is chained...'
theory
-inappropriate body search, confiscation of 'American Theocracy.' And they were pretty rough on my laptop and nearly destroyed my poster.
WTF? They took a freaking book? On what grounds did they do that?
So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
surely anyone with half a brain would know that humans and dinosaurs did not exist together.
I mean Fucking Hell!
i am left speechless
so sallyh doesnt have to retell, can someone ID the thread the original tale was told. I can search and find the details but have been away this week.
thanks.
We are pretty much smiling at these TSA types who basically are following orders and occasionally fully harassing anyone they want.
“The most worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision.
When a criminal has a messianic vision then it's called a modus operandi.
You never visited my house when I was a kid.
Actually, I thought of my own brothers, but I think they liked to add GIJoe to the mix.
the British government seems determined to take away civil liberties here!
Old Man--wouldn't put it back in my carryon bag. I asked them to, and they said I could write TSA and ask it to be returned to me. No reason given for taking it.
-inappropriate body search, confiscation of 'American Theocracy.' And they were pretty rough on my laptop and nearly destroyed my poster.
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Nevermind. I'm so sorry this was done to you. What airport?
Yeah, I adopted the new persona as the result of a thread last week where watertiger became the Dark Lord of the Sith and needed a flunky to hunt down the producers of "Armegeddon" for appropriate punishment.
I thought I recognized your voice. And too bad I missed that thread. Great name, BTW!
What was really disturbing to me were the trolls who were polluting Oliver Willis's site the other day. Oliver had posted that he was patriotic and these slimebags were basically saying that he wasn't because patriots obey and love Bush, keep their mouths shut, obey orders, never question authority, and never criticize any government policy.
You get the idea that for cons being patriotic is part of belonging to a dysfunctional family that has a dictatorial father whose every whim is supposed to be obeyed. No matter how cruel, arbitrary, irrational, or against your own interests, you are supposed to obey big daddy. And if big daddy turns around and changes the rules again and demands that you accept the latest craziness and jump when he says 'jump', you are supposed to holler 'how high'. Not surprising really that most cons seem to mirror this as their own families are dysfunctional messes.
On the other hand, NSA spying program? What NSA spying program?
It is about how our civil liberties are gone, gone, gone, and how subtly they've been eaten away. Like a frog being slowly heated to boiling, we hardly noticed.
I whored this long ago, and it seems germane...
Mena--Salt Lake City, the capital of Mormon Hell.
Moon - surely anyone with half a brain would know that humans and dinosaurs did not exist together.
I mean Fucking Hell!
i am left speechless
The depth of their ignorance was terrifying. They didn't try to raise religion in the discussion; they didn't get upset when I explained; it was not a fundie thing - they honestly did not know. I don't understand that. I cannot imagine that we are raising generations of Americans who are this fucking clueless.
Shit.
Actually, I thought of my own brothers, but I think they liked to add GIJoe to the mix.
Right next to the Little Drummer Boy, no doubt!
NTodd--perhaps more now than ever, it is indeed pertinent.
Weakened Berlusconi Faces Challenger
After a nasty election campaign, Italians are deciding this weekend whether to dump Premier Silvio Berlusconi and opt for his distinctly less flamboyant challenger.
Defeat for Berlusconi would end a five-year government that is Italy's longest-serving since World War II, and deprive President Bush of a staunch ally who has sent troops to Iraq.
If opponent Romano Prodi is slightly ahead and voters in the Sunday-Monday election are in a foul mood, they have reasons: The economy is going nowhere, jobs are scarce and the health system is in crisis.
But Italians don't seem too inspired by their choices: Berlusconi is a conservative media mogul and erstwhile cruise-ship crooner with a talent for saying outrageous things; Prodi is a center-left economics professor and former premier.
I have Girl Guide cookies! Woohoo!
Dims still think they're something special.
Right next to the Little Drummer Boy, no doubt!
Right behind him.
That's what happens with civil liberties - they take them slowly and people don't notice until it's too late. Most Americans haven't felt it yet and they don't get it. We do. We have got to fight back.
It's the old frog in a pot of water thing.
Slowly bring it to a boil so it's not noticed.
I don't think that Jefferson or Franklin would disagree with me too much that this is serious, and examples need to be made to ram home the message.
I'm thinking heads on pikes along the Mall should do the trick.
Old Man--wouldn't put it back in my carryon bag. I asked them to, and they said I could write TSA and ask it to be returned to me. No reason given for taking it.
Sallyh,
I'd throw a fucking fit if it was me, until I got the book back. There is nothing related to security with regard to your book and they should not get away with that.
I have Girl Guide cookies! Woohoo!
I ordered 5 boxes of Girl Gu...Scout cookies a while ago and they still haven't arrived. I think my local Scout is eating them.
I cannot imagine that we are raising generations of Americans who are this fucking clueless.
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Oh, I can. They spel fonetiklee to.
I'm thinking heads on pikes along the Mall should do the trick.
Could I do the slicing?
I have an idea how we can honor the wishes of Sallyh’s tormentor (“wear sweat pants and a sports bra next time and you won't have this trouble”) and assist in the fight against this insanity. When we all depart from EschaCon II, let’s enter the security portal wearing nothing but the skimpiest Speedos and bikinis allowed by law and carrying a stack of left wing publications. Even if we don’t collapse the system, we’ll certainly cause enough of a stir to get national attention.
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sallyh, i don't get this? they actually took and kept your copy of 'american theocracy'?
and i presume there is no recourse? (well, i've heard once your name is on the list, it's on the list).
and i just got done reading about the 2 homeland sec. officials roughing up the teachers assistant. it's happening...
sallyh,
They stole from you. Confiscate, my ass. They stole from you.
The story boils my blood. I could clearly understand why you were so upset last night...I went to bed and cried after I read about it on the blog, it bothered me so much, and I'm practically in tears right now.
(God, Tena, I think you may be right about the hormone thing.)
That, coupled with my parents' luke warm response to anything that is me and blog related (like Nim's awesome proposal), and I'm about ready to shoot someone in the face.
let’s enter the security portal wearing nothing but the skimpiest Speedos and bikinis...
No. Nonononono. No Speedos.
Bikinis, okay. But marble sacks are crimes against humanity.
Yes, I am being sexy, er...sexist.
I think my local Scout is eating them.
You and your bathroom scale will thank her later.
When a criminal has a messianic vision then it's called a modus operandi.
Davis X. Machina
Ayup.
Well, to quote Hamel on Trial:
Hey hey, civil disobedience.
I ordered 5 boxes of Girl Gu...Scout cookies a while ago and they still haven't arrived. I think my local Scout is eating them.
NTodd, Lazy Mofo
Is there anything better than cookies showing up at your door on a Saturday morning while you're enjoying your tea?
I.think.not.
At LAX, I saw someone lose a very small pocketknife from her brief case. she protested that the blade was under 3 inches and that news stories say you an have a blade that length.
TSA laughed. "Dont believe what you read in the papers. We know the rules."
Nothing you could do about it. I do remember the stories about scissors with 4-inch blades, dont recall if little pocket knives were exempt. Not that I agree, but there is little recourse when these thugs give you the roust.
re: forest for the trees, etc.
Listening to NPR's coverage of Iraq, it's amazing to me how they can pretend that the NSA thing is just a political story while surely comprehending that their own incredible reporters are being spied upon by the government.
What happens if someone tells Anne Garrels or Jamie Tarabay something super-secret off the record and the government acts on it?
I'd throw a fucking fit if it was me, until I got the book back. There is nothing related to security with regard to your book and they should not get away with that.
Tena
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Same here. I'm at the point where they might just as well arrest me. It could just be the mood of this past week, though.
Good afternoon, folk.
Good news on the domestic front: Zapette found a wedding dress.
Bad news: AT&T is now in the freedom fighting business.
Where We Are
lnsanity is in power here as it is elsewhere.
Basic Rights taken away.
War as first strike, preemptive is seen as good?
Internets (progressive populist views) under attack.
Unelected gummint monarchists gonna Protect "our way of life" by blowin it all up
dith,
My poet baby, when are you going to propoth to me on a blog?
"Vicki dimh, you are the jewels of Satan..."
Bikinis, okay. But marble sacks are crimes against humanity.
My intent is to disturb them. Me in a speedo would definitely accomplish that task.
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Vicki--I'm so sorry that I upset you that much. I don't want to upset my friends, but I think this little incident is less significant on its own than as an example of how far we have sunk.
Vicki, I'm sorry. No one should be raining on the parade. It's such a fabulous one.
Vicki - Oh you may need to start taking something, like a natural estrogen supplement. There's an excellent one made in Germany, where alternative medicine has long been practiced and recognized as legit.
Or Evening Primrose - that will help, too.
pretty sweeping rules from their website:
http://www.tsa.gov/public/
intera...torial_1012.xml
If you bring a prohibited item to the checkpoint you may be criminally and/or civilly prosecuted or at the least asked to rid yourself of the item. A screener and/or Law Enforcement Officer will make this determination depending on what the item is and the circumstances. This is because bringing a prohibited item to a security checkpoint - even accidentally - is illegal.
* Your prohibited item may be detained for use in an investigation and if necessary as evidence in your criminal and/or civil prosecution. If permitted by the screener or Law Enforcement Officer, you may be allowed to:
* Consult with the airlines for possible assistance in placing the prohibited item in checked baggage
* Withdraw with the item from the screening checkpoint at that time
* Make other arrangements for the item such as taking it to your car
* Voluntarily abandon the item. Items that are voluntarily abandoned cannot be recovered and will not be returned to you.
I cannot imagine that we are raising generations of Americans who are this fucking clueless.
Shit.
a few weeks ago, t-cho and i went to an indian wedding. just about everyone there was a doctor or a lawyer. the brilliance of everyone there, even, yes, the stereotypipcal c-store owner, made t-cho and i say to eachother "this country is so fucked."
it didn't help when we were at the mall the next day and the bone-stupid idiot behind the burgerking counter, a tall white teenager, didn't even understand "what sort of sauces do you have for these chicken fries?"
My intent is to disturb them. Me in a speedo would definitely accomplish that task.
But think of the collateral damage, man!
When a criminal has a messianic vision then it's called a modus operandi.
Davis X. Machina
Charles Manson
David Berkowitz
sallyh,
You didn't upset me. The reality of the situation upset me. You nailed it when you say that it is an example of how far we have sunk as a nation.
I love you, sallyh! I hope you know that.
Sallyh,
Who took your book and where?
Is there anything better than cookies showing up at your door on a Saturday morning while you're enjoying your tea?
I wouldn't know since they haven't shown up, you big meanie.
Marriage is a beautiful thing, until it starts to grow.
Sallyh hearing stories like that definly puts me off visting America or even thinking about going there.
Same here. I'm at the point where they might just as well arrest me. It could just be the mood of this past week, though.
mena
Tell you what, if they did that to me, I'd make them arrest me, then I'd demand a jury trial and I'd use it as a forum to go off on how our civil liberties are being taken from us.
Or at least, I think I would. I'm not in the position, so I don't know what they might hold over my head.
let’s enter the security portal wearing nothing but the skimpiest Speedos and bikinis...
it's a hell of a protest idea, though. expensive, but it might be worth it.
I'm thinking heads on pikes along the Mall should do the trick.
Apprentice to Darth Tigerous | 04.08.06 - 2:20 pm
HOAP&tm;** Floats?
*HOAP&tm;= Head On A Pike
But, I'm absolutely positive that he - or his minions - have most certainly been 'exercising' every single scrap of power they can grab.
It's why the country is effectively bankrupt. It's why our citizens are hauled away without recourse, searched without protest and lied to without remorse.
The only possible question left is whether or not the Senate of the United States will allow itself to notice.
I wouldn't know since they haven't shown up, you big meanie.
NTodd, Anti-Speedo
ouch! lol
A friend had done the Sonoma wine country tour and had bought a nice corkscrew to take home. They wouldn't let her take it on the plane and she had to discard it. I think that somebody working the desk that day got themselves a nice European corkscrew. But, didn't they just loosen up the laws so that you could bring knives on planes? And how is a book more dangerous than a knife?
There are many ways in which a book can be more dangerous than a knife...
Sally, feeling better today I hope? Fuck the fucking fuckers who fucked with you.
Sallyh hearing stories like that definly puts me off visting America or even thinking about going there.
Moonbootica, Praetor
Us too.
Buzz Bomb--I'm fine. Still upset, but regained my composure.
Or at least, I think I would. I'm not in the position, so I don't know what they might hold over my head.
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That's what i'm talking about too. I'm in that kind of mood, and bullies make me angry. I doub;t, however, if I want to be lucid about it, that I'd make the best sort of defendant.
how is a book more dangerous than a knife?
What, haven't you read/seen Fahrenheit 451?
I'm under attack by one of my kitties who's trying to steal my cookies!
Damn..."Cash on the Barrelhead" is a good song.
now i'm thinking pasties and speedos printed with "nothing to hide" on them...
i'm liking this. the million-thong march.....
Sallyh hearing stories like that definly puts me off visting America or even thinking about going there.
Don't. Go to non-fascist, civilized countries only.
Sallyh: I read what happened in the thread below, fooking bastards. I hope you're able to make them cry.
Well, that's some pretty creepy stuff.
If everyone is not really afraid, they should be.
as the old saying goes - the pen is mightier than the sword!
Who took your book and where?
catnip - 2:26 pm
TSA thugs took her copy of American Theocracy at Salt Lake City (?) or Phoenix...
this is why the next time i fly somewhere, it will be to leave this fucing fascist paradise of a fucking country for fucking good...
Vicki, I'm sorry. No one should be raining on the parade. It's such a fabulous one.
pie
I won't go into family dynamics because it's tedious and boring, pie...I will say that my mother is a very loving woman with a lot of control issues regarding her children.
I'm the oldest, and regardless of what I've done in my life, she has always taken the negative approach. For example, I wanted to pursue my masters right out of college, and she persuaded me to move home because I didn't have the money for a degree and how would I pay it back and yadda yadda yadda. It's always been like that...even to this day, with political activism and the other things I do...she's skeptical about everything and attempts to place doubt in my mind about my decisions. What can you say? It is what it is. I get more support here and with my friends than I do from my family.
Moonbootica, it's still a wonderful country, regardless. It's mostly the government that sucks.
I cannot imagine that we are raising generations of Americans who are this fucking clueless.
dinosaurs were dragons...
besides, you've seen the fed ex commercial, of course men lived amongst the dinosaurs.
mena and Old Man what's with the norsk homepages? I may be dumb but I don't get it.
i'm liking this. the million-thong march.....
That would wake up the media!
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Halfdan thats true.
Oliver had posted that he was patriotic and these slimebags were basically saying that he wasn't because patriots obey and love Bush, keep their mouths shut, obey orders, never question authority, and never criticize any government policy.
Anybody bother mentioning that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, et al, were, under the trolls' definition, traitors?
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Damn..."Cash on the Barrelhead" is a good song.
Zap & Zapette, 10/7/06
Yes, it is.
Woody the ™ is & trade ;
*HOAP™ = Head On A Pike
of course...
.
"The evidence that we are filing supports our claim that AT&T is diverting Internet traffic into the hands of the NSA wholesale, in violation of federal wiretapping laws and the Fourth Amendment," said EFF Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. "More than just threatening individuals' privacy, AT&T's apparent choice to give the government secret, direct access to millions of ordinary Americans' Internet communications is a threat to the Constitution itself. We are asking the Court to put a stop to it now."
http://www.eff.org/news/archives...ves/
2006_04.php
TSA thugs took her copy of American Theocracy at Salt Lake City (?) or Phoenix...
What right do they have to confiscate a book?
Has Sallyh contacted the national media?
But, I'm absolutely positive that he - or his minions - have most certainly been 'exercising' every single scrap of power they can grab.
It's why the country is effectively bankrupt. It's why our citizens are hauled away without recourse, searched without protest and lied to without remorse.
The only possible question left is whether or not the Senate of the United States will allow itself to notice.
I think that question has already been answered.
And the answer is no.
The only thing that might get their attention is if one of THEIR relatives is hauled off and stripped of their rights. Though by the time that happens, it will likely be too late.
Salt Lake City, Woody. Phoenix TSA got burned pretty bad trying to grope every single woman walking thru the gate.
And of course, to all of you passing thru Sky Harbor who feel yourselves in the least threatened, -by anyone-, I suggest that you call for a City of Phoenix cop. They're all over the place and will be happy to help. (They travel on Segways!) Tell 'em to ask for Sgt. Joe Arvisu.
That's what i'm talking about too. I'm in that kind of mood, and bullies make me angry. I doub;t, however, if I want to be lucid about it, that I'd make the best sort of defendant.
mena
Oh fuck them, mena, this is why I don't keep secrets about myself. I can't live with the idea that someone could find out something and hold it over my head. What I do, I do and what I've done, I've done and I don't give a shit.
Don't. Go to non-fascist, civilized countries only.
here's the thing: where is that? the dutch have enacted anti-speech laws, as have the brits, french, australians, canadians, et cetera et cetera. the world truly has gone barmy, and there's no safe haven!
i'm gonna go live with the penguins in antarctica.
I have to tell y'all an OT story I should have told on the religion thread but it hadn't happened yet. I was in the drugstore earlier and when I got to the cash register, the young woman was talking to a young guy who also works for the store. I set down the basket and the the girl said: Can I ask you something? I said sure. She asked me if Jesus and the dinosaurs had existed at the same time. That's what they were talking about. I explained it all very patiently - Jesus, 2000 years ago, historical period, dinosaurs the Jurassic, millions of years ago and they both listened and then when I was done, the girl said: So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
Tena
Boosh's Base. What else can I say?
One of my goals in life is to learn Icelandic.
Warrantless wiretaps:
Equals spying on the Bushies
domestic polticial oppononents.
That's the only explanation that
makes sense for bypassing FISA.
besides, you've seen the fed ex commercial, of course men lived amongst the dinosaurs.
charley
Last week's Sopranos was great, with Tony being visited at his bedside by fundies who attempted to tell him Adam and Eve lived at the same time as the dinosaurs. "You mean like the Flintstones?"
Jesus the T-Rex?
The TSA confiscated a Garfield book of mine last month.
Anybody bother mentioning that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, et al, were, under the trolls' definition, traitors?
Faux news, if it were up and running in 1773, would call the participants in the Boston Tea Party "terrorists".
That would wake up the media!
and they wouldn't even have to blur the images!
of course, i'll just be the organizer, since, um, the point is to titillate, not to mortify.
We are asking the Court to put a stop to it now.
won't happen...
just sayin'
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the girl said: So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
Tena
Boosh's Base. What else can I say?
Shaw Kenawe | Homepage | 04.08.06 - 2:33 pm | #
Did you see last week's SOPRANOS?
Christopher has a very funny riff
on this.....
TSA thugs took her copy of American Theocracy at Salt Lake City (?) or Phoenix...
This is why I hate flying anymore. These assholes know they can torment people and get away with it, and the govenment lets them. Don't like your reading material, we'll just take it. Don't like you, we'll just put on you on the no-fly list.
Democracy on the Jackbooted March!
Har. Star Trek is on and McCoy actually said "he's dead Jim"!
And on that note I must go, later batses.
Moonbootica, would wearing an anti-Blair and/or anti-Bush t-shirt while touring Parliament be a crime under this "interesting" law?
Would Cindy Sheehan have been arrested and face prison time for wearing her running-total enumeration of Iraq War military dead?
What is happening to the homeland of the Magna Carta?
If Brown is Blair lite, what can be done?
Scary times.
And I fear a nuclear winter will not necessarily clear the air.
Oh fuck them, mena, this is why I don't keep secrets about myself.
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Me either. It's more the Syrian general uncles and that sort of family stuff. Family stuff'll get you every time.
how is a book more dangerous than a knife?
papercuts, man. those things are nnnnnnnasty!
she's skeptical about everything and attempts to place doubt in my mind about my decisions. What can you say? It is what it is. I get more support here and with my friends than I do from my family.
Vicki, Who ? Al Gore
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra just for you.
--Phillip Larkin
Does anyone else think that were the book in question, say, that 'Feminists Who Are Destroying America' one or something along those lines, it would not have been confiscated?
What I do, I do and what I've done, I've done and I don't give a shit.
Tena
Amen to that. That's definitely my philosophy.
One of my goals in life is to learn Icelandic.
So you can read Njorl's Saga in the original runes?
jawbone personally I think we need to get out of the statist trap that Britain is currenlty is in.
get rid of the partnership between Big Business and Big Government.
give power back to the people!
Does anyone else think that were the book in question, say, that 'Feminists Who Are Destroying America' one or something along those lines, it would not have been confiscated?
ProfWombat
Ah, once I was perfectly relaxed about passing my copy of _Imperial Spies Invade Russia_ thru the x-ray machines. Why would I expect the inspectors to read it when nobody else ever had?
I don't keep secrets about myself. I can't live
with the idea that someone could find out something and hold it over my head.
What I do, I do and what I've done, I've done and I don't give a shit.
Tena | Homepage | 04.08.06 - 2:33 pm | #
See, I don't have that problem because
I've lead a totally blameless life.
Seriously...I've never had to be dragged
home from the gutter.
you know why this is so hard for the press to state this clearly?
because they don't want to.
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka
Because they fancy that they deal in "facts", ahile 1984 was "fiction", not realizing-or wanting to-that Orwell fucked up the year, but pretty much nailed the rest. Also, if they do, the editor will spike it, and they don't fancy writing ad copy for a living, so they take the hint.
231 years since Paul Revere rode on the 19th, and now we have another King George drunk and mad with power to handle.
Cash on the barrelhead by Gram Parsons or the original by the Louvins, or by Dolly,,, or even by the excellent current pretender Cash, they're all excellent.
I love it!
Rocky Top is my fave. But anything with highs like that pops my buttons
Hey, WGG:
Have you ever heard of "The Match"? A little publication put out by one Fred Woodworth based in Tucson?
mena - Oh fuck, this is true and you have a right to be nervous.
I've got your back - I really do. I can' find you a lawyer in 10 minutes flat if you ever need one.
It's not my homepage, it apppeared and I kinda like it. I have no idea what it's about, though.
Managerialism and the State
Karen De Coster has an interesting article at Lew Rockwell, "Dilbertville for Dummies," speculating on the role of the state in promoting the bureaucratic corporate culture that is currently the dominant form of business organization. Her point of departure is a Stephen Carson post at Mises Blog on how federal tax policy has encouraged the proliferation of cubicles
Because they fancy that they deal in "facts", ahile 1984 was "fiction", not realizing-or wanting to-that Orwell fucked up the year, but pretty much nailed the rest. Also, if they do, the editor will spike it, and they don't fancy writing ad copy for a living, so they take the hint.
dig it.
it occurs to me that we could start a comic that actually showed Jesus teaching the Sermon on the Mount and the American Family Types would protest it because it criticized the administration.
Zappers! Are you all getting married on 7th October? That was my sister's birthday - a lovely day!
Seriously...I've never had to be dragged
home from the gutter.
steve simels
Naw, they left you to sleep it off there and you dragged yourself home later.
Tena: not a bad philosophy to espouse or adopt, but it's atrocious that they think they can impose it on you.
Another Third George at that. Oy.
That, coupled with my parents' luke warm response to anything that is me and blog related (like Nim's awesome proposal), and I'm about ready to shoot someone in the face.
You know Vicki, you can't choose your family, but just because you're related to them doesn't mean you have to hang out with them.
My family is toxic as well. I've put lots of distance between me and them and I'm much happier for it.
My mother doesn't get it, but I really don't care. Life is too short. If your parents couldn't be excited and pleased about the wonderful way Nim proposed to Jen yesterday, well... then fuck 'em.
You're better off without them.
well, people, we're having uncharacteristically gorgeous weather in Houston, and i'm hungry for lunch.
later!
Dith 1) Were you given any reason as to why a Garfield book was seized? and 2) just checked out your blog: the photos/song lyrics gave me the chills.
Inept, Corrupt, Unamerican.
here's the thing: where is that?
Norway! They have a løvli telephøne system, the Nørwegian blue parrøt, fjørds and nice ferries.
I made the mistake of taking a copy of the Narcotics Anonymous book with me when I flew from Calgary to Los Angeles during the 90s for a conference. I told the security fucktards I was a recovering addict and had been for many years but they thought someone carrying a book on recovery surely HAD to have drugs on them.
I patiently explained the program to them and, though they continued to eye me suspiciously, they let me through.
So you can read Njorl's Saga in the original runes?
Of course!
" . . . we can only hope that he has not actually tried to exercise all the power he (wrongfully) thinks he possesses."
Yeah right.
"The only thing that might get their attention is if one of THEIR relatives is hauled off and stripped of their rights. Though by the time that happens, it will likely be too late."
--fourlegsgood
This reminds me of a highway story (Alcoa Hwy, nicknamed I'll Kill Ya). Many people died because of the design flaws of this highly traveled road. When the wife or mother (if I remember correctly) of a bigwig in county government was killed on this same highway, construction of an overpass started within six months or so.
You know Vicki, you can't choose your family, but just because you're related to them doesn't mean you have to hang out with them.
Fourlegs, I had a therapist who once said the same thing. He said that although you can't choose them and they are still part of your family, you don't have to like them, or respect them for the way they treat you. And you sure don't have to hang out with them if they cause you more agitation than peace.
I agree.
Classic "East Asian beaten honor student" become porn star Asia Carrera compares her own baby pictures with those of her daughter Catalina.
Tena, your vignette about your encounter with the drugstore clerks is very powerful and evocative.
I feel your angst, as I almost always do.
But I take comfort in the possibility that you at least set those poor benighted children straight, or allowed them to see a glimmer of light beyone the canyon of ignorance in which they're trapped.
I don't seek out such situations, and don't have one to match yours at the moment. But I do try to gently or at least affably try to enlighten the clueless by offering clarification without expressing contempt or derision.
Despite my profound misanthropy, I hope that the ratiocination-challenged
can occasionally be lifted up and hauled to a fork in a road that might lead them to an improved perspective.
Good for you. 
♥ 
♥
Zappers! Are you all getting married on 7th October? That was my sister's birthday - a lovely day!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
We certainly are, Auntie. You're invited, too.
Well, you all are. I know it won't be a "Nim & Jen" spectacular, but it'll be fun...
You know, I brought a copy of Darkness at Noon into the Soviet Union back in 1986. It wasn't confiscated.
well, people, we're having uncharacteristically gorgeous weather in Houston, and i'm hungry for lunch.
later!
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka
Yeah!
Peanut Butter Toast is coming up.
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well, people, we're having uncharacteristically gorgeous weather in Houston, and i'm hungry for lunch.
later!
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka
Yeah!
Peanut Butter Toast is coming up.
.
Lenin approves of V for Vendetta
I patiently explained the program to them and, though they continued to eye me suspiciously, they let me through.
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Thank god they tightened up those hiring qualifications. (again, where is the eye-roller?)
Peon prig pop.
Just saying......
Thank god they tightened up those hiring qualifications. (again, where is the eye-roller?)
mena
I was kiddin' about the book, and I appreciate that.
You know, I brought a copy of Darkness at Noon into the Soviet Union back in 1986. It wasn't confiscated.
NTodd, Anti-Speedo | Homepage | 04.08.06 - 2:43 pm |
Edward Topol had a passage in Red Snow about novel confiscation. It probably irked him more than most because hes a novelist.
Have you ever heard of "The Match"? A little publication put out by one Fred Woodworth based in Tucson?
Zap & Zapette, 10/7/06 - 2:39 pm
not til just then...
dogpiled it:
"Woodworth’s pure-and-simple anarchism has definite social suppositions. His utopia is — and I use the word precisely and descriptively, not pejoratively — petit-bourgeois. He espouses free trade and opines that “people, I think, are always going to be buying and selling things.” But “there is a fundamental difference in kind, between small business” — like Woodworth’s print shop — “and large or corporative [sic] business.” What might that difference be? He doesn’t say. Presumably small business is better because he owns one. “I myself see nothing objectionable,” he adds, “and much that is desirable, in a world where small businesses flourished” — as if you could have such a world in which big businesses did not also flourish.
Unhyphenated anarchism is hyphenated after all. It posits the market, money, and private property in the means of production. It follows, as Woodworth confirms, that theft is reprehensible. In exchanges with letter-writers, he denounces the shoplifting of overpriced books from a chain bookstore and Kinko’s employees running off copies of their zines at company expense. Only on the verge of starvation, he says, is stealing even food justifiable, and even then (he admonishes) “AT LEAST regard it as a regrettable necessity, not something that you glorify.” Even capitalist law excuses theft in cases of serious immediate necessity, so this is not much of a concession from an anarchist. He refuses to countenance the time-honored anarchist understanding of Proudhon’s slogan “Property is theft” as justifying the stealing back, by workers and consumers, of some small part of the wealth which the bosses and owners have stolen from them..."
sounds to me a little like "anarcho-libertarianism" or some such thing ...
Vicki--Have you ever seen The Pope of Greenwich Village? For some reason, I thought that movie might cheer you.
And last night you said that you used to sing out and you don't play guitar much. Playing and singing always cheers me, and I'd love to jam with you the next time I'm passing through your town!
Right I reåli must gø nøw. Låter åll.
Shorter Abu Gonzalez: It's not a dictatorship if we say it isn't.
He's right of course, V kicks ass. Go and see it.
This reminds me of a highway story (Alcoa Hwy, nicknamed I'll Kill Ya).
AKA "The Motor Mile" in reference to the auto dealerships. In college we called it the "Murder Mile" because of all the vehicular homicides. One of my friends killed a family of four while drunk-driving and the joke was no longer very funny. (The good ending to the story is that he sobered up and did community speaking as a part of his sentence, returned and graduated from college and is now a completely changed person).
kei & yuri I saw it last month.
check out my review for it
And last night you said that you used to sing out and you don't play guitar much. Playing and singing always cheers me, and I'd love to jam with you the next time I'm passing through your town!
That'd be a blast!
Ina, I have a guitar, just can't play more than a couple of chords. I have what you'd call two left hands when it comes to rhythm. Not too good at fingering chords, either!
Well, I have to run off and find something to photograph.
whiskeyina:
Pope of Greenwich Village ---
Good movie.
Much, much better book.
What Mutualism Was - I: Prehistories
see y'all later
whiskeyina,
My music friends used to get together at least twice a month for music parties. This went on for a couple of decades, until people started playing in bands at bars...
I'm not much for bars, but I sure do miss the days of the living room jams.
A department spokeswoman, Tasia Scolinos, said, "The attorney general's comments today should not be interpreted to suggest the existence or nonexistence of a domestic program or whether any such program would be lawful under the existing legal analysis."
I just love that quote.
Vicki - I know it's not the same thing, but everyone here gets how wonderful the engagement is, and clearly is ecstatic for them and for you. And it's a real thing - it made my day yesterday to hear the news. That's something, my dear. Awhole lotta people, a whole new thing.
You know, I brought a copy of Darkness at Noon into the Soviet Union back in 1986. It wasn't confiscated.
Great book! It was gonna be part of class that I thought I might teach at some point in the future.
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sounds to me a little like "anarcho-libertarianism" or some such thing ...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(ak
Well, now he calls The Match "A Journal of Ethical Anarchism".
The subscription is free, and journal itself is well-crafted. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but it's worth a gander.
I'll keep posting this until our favorite bloggers mention it.
"The evidence that we are filing supports our claim that AT&T is diverting Internet traffic into the hands of the NSA wholesale, in violation of federal wiretapping laws and the Fourth Amendment," said EFF Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. "More than just threatening individuals' privacy, AT&T's apparent choice to give the government secret, direct access to millions of ordinary Americans' Internet communications is a threat to the Constitution itself. We are asking the Court to put a stop to it now."
http://www.eff.org/news/archives...ves/
2006_04.php
HICA!
Already being smacked around for not guest blogging the numerous "I'm okay -- the tornado missed me" posts.
So, whuzzup?
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Material on the History of Mutualism
OH Vicki - We're all so happy for Nim and Jen and for you that you don't need to worry about anything else. There's more happiness here over it than you know what to do with.
I like what sekmet said about the cons all acting out patterns learned in (way) dysfunctional families.
Bush is a self-declared alcoholic, and he has not and is not currently seeking treatment.
His disease will not just go away at the behest of his own fucked-up version of jayzus. He will escalate.
Since the normal checks and balances are all gone, Bush's crazy behaviours will go unmet and the Republican Congress is essentially codependent and will bow to even the most insane whims of their political daddy-figure.
Bush will use nuclear weapons. He can't help it. He's a sick fuck and holds enough power to destroy the world, and he will just keep escalating in his illness until he either dies or gets treatment.
And right now, the best treatment for him is probably incarceration.
UNE - Is Darkness at Noon Koestler?
I've not read it.
So, whuzzup?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
I saw coverage of the damage on CNN. Wow!
Vicki, you really only need 3 chords to play quite a few of the songs you love (okay, Elvis Costello might use more than 3--I'll look into it!).
We are asking the Court to put a stop to it now."
don't hold yer breath...
nobody here does virtual cpr...
And right now, the best treatment for him is probably incarceration.
shrimplate
Not "probably" - definitely.
mena,
You are a sweetheart. I think the proposal was awesome!
He loves her, and she loves him. What more can two people possible want out of life?
I relish the day when I meet a man who will love me that much!
I'll keep posting this until our favorite bloggers mention it.
Oh...you mean me, right?
Don't tell him what to write...
Gonzales realized that nothing serious happened when Americans found out about illegal spying so he thought he test the next couple of feet of ice and see if it would hold, as well.
Look, American Idol! And immigrants!
Pie--I was also touched in the vaginal area because my jeans had a metal button and zipper. I was told, wear sweat pants and a sports bra next time and you won't have this trouble.
I don't wear sweatpants in public and I don't own a sports bra.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
Just this past February, I had to take a hop across Florida from Ft. Lauderdale, where I was visiting friends, to Tampa(where my medical records were since I had lived there for 7 years)--to start my odyssey on this medical issue I've been dealing with. I bought a one-way ticket, because I didn't know where I would go once a diagnosis was made--back up to Boston? or remain in Tampa. Anyway, long story short:
I was pulled out of line at security and made to wait in a public area until a security person arrived. When she did, she made me stand spread-eagle while she passed a detector over me and then touched my breasts (I asked her not too since I had been experiencing soreness because of the lump I had recently found there--she promised she'd be gentle.) After the examination (while everyone looked on) I was told I could proceed to the gate. I was traveling alone, and because of what I was dealing with, I did lose it, and broke down. Some kind stranger who witnessed this whole farce, offered me a tissue and coffe. Bless her.
And there you have it, my friends, our Homeland Security, keeping us safe from grandmothers traveling alone with one-way tickets to Tampa.
Vicki, you really only need 3 chords to play quite a few of the songs you love (okay, Elvis Costello might use more than 3--I'll look into it!).
whiskeyina | Homepage | 04.08.06 - 2:54 pm | #
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just learn g, c, and d and you can be a rock and roll star. or a folkie. or whatever you want.
*possibly*
And thanks, Tena, I know that! And how gracious and classy of Nim's mom to read the entire thread and post her congratulations to them?!!! I thought that was fabulous!
"Mother of Ham" was how she signed her post!
steve: "book?" What's that? But really, I didn't know it was a book first. I'll check it out. Besides being a good moive, I love it because I'm italian, and 'cause I like Eric Roberts and Mickey Rourke.
catnip: I saw coverage of the damage on CNN. Wow!
WKRN had one of their video journalists in a helicopter, by 4:00 yesterday afternoon -- his footage was pretty scary. They shot from Vol State Community College to a point about 3 miles from there, following the track of total destruction in Gallatin, TN. We're talkin' big, expensive brick homes, obliterated down to the foundations. Man.
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don't hold yer breath...
nobody here does virtual cpr...
Woody
Depends on the court and don't be so sure anyway. The judiciary, except for the SCOTUS, and it's unknown at this point how they are going to handle civil liberties suits, is still independent. The judiciary has been doing the right thing all along - if you will recall, federal trial and appellate courts have tried time and again to hold the administration reponsible.
Noam Chomsky on war crimes.
I've been pulled aside on trips and "wanded" and what not almost every time I fly alone ever since 9/11. I've probably flown 15 times since then. I thought maybe it was my super secret decoder ring, but now I'm thinking that sallyh may be onto something...that we are really being watched because we're vocal liberals.
Pope Benedict XVI to visit Poland
Pope Benedict XVI will visit the home town of his predecessor and a Nazi concentration camp in a tour of Poland next month, the Vatican has said.
He will visit Wadowice, the late Pope John Paul II's birthplace, and the town of Krakow where he served as an archbishop before becoming pontiff.
He will also travel to the former death camp at Auschwitz, where over one million people died.
The trip, from 25 May to 28, will be his second foreign visit as Pope.
Pope Benedict will also visit Czestochowa, Poland's holiest shrine, and the capital Warsaw, the Vatican said.
Tena - thank you very much for that offer - I'm going to tuck it away because you never know. But it's not that I am nervous for myself. I actually think it's about time for such action, but it's essentially theater (the only thing the public seems to notice anymore), and to be effective it would need to be the right person. And that's prolly not me. I sacrifice a lot of meaning for brevity, sometimes.
Sy Hersh Revere:
The diplomat went on, “There are people in Washington who would be unhappy if we found a solution. They are still banking on isolation and regime change. This is wishful thinking.” He added, “The window of opportunity is now.”
Sallyh, I'm just jumping ahead to post this before I return to my usual futile attempts to catch up on preceding threads.
I've learned about what happened to you in drips and drabs. I'm sure there's stuff I missed.
Anyhoo, I'm not sure if you've recorded a dry and detailed narrative of yesterday's contretemps already. I would suggest that you do ASAP if you haven't already.
You need to preserve the circumstances in detail while your memory is fresh. Whether kept private or offered for evidentiary purposes, it's good to have a detailed narrative upon which to rely.
I am involved with written statements in my work, so I'm just putting in my 2¢. To belabor the point with the bleeding obvious, a witness who can recite a clear and consistent authentic narrative of events earns credibility. A fixed statement is the best foundation for those who lack a superhuman photographic memory.
End of sententious maundering.
Best wishes, ♥ ♥
1. Ice Age: The Meltdown $70.5M (Parents shoving their kids through the grinder of bad entertainment because the kids cannot articulate a good complaint.)
2. Inside Man $15.6M (Mixed reviews, either hostile or enthusiastic. The best we've heard is that it's very exciting but the female characters are less realitic than in Basic Instinct 2)
3. ATL $12.5M (wtf)
4. Failure to Launch $6.6M (Sarah Parker ought to be decelebrified, or at least stopped from becoming a never-pretty Sharon Stone [see below])
5. V for Vendetta $6.4M (YYYyyyyeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh boooooooy)
6. Stay Alive $4.5M (Now, we are total pussies when it comes to scary flicks, but we hear from friends who dig them that this was really poorly made and is not scary or coherent at all.)
7. She's the Man $4.5M (No interest in learning more about this; we're guessing it's yet another black-discovery-of-drag comedy)
8. Slither $3.6M (Yuck does not a story make.)
9. The Shaggy Dog $3.5M (What? See Ice Age -- the comment, not the movie.)
10. Basic Instinct 2 $3.2M (We will eventually see it: we hear it makes Plan 9 from Outer Space look like Close Encounters. It's this year's Battlefield Earth!)
Well, I've flown a couple of times and had no problem at all. Atrios has been in and out of the country a number of times in recent years and he's never reported any security problems.
UNE - Is Darkness at Noon Koestler?
Yep!!
You could say that it fucked my head up like 1984, F411, and Kafka did.
Those four books are the primary reason that I am not so suprised at the scale of the Horrors before us.
Horrified? absolutely.
did I just drift off tangent to answer a question unasked?
UNE - Is Darkness at Noon Koestler?
I've not read it.
Tena - 2:53 pm
he's another writer whose biography does not withstand careful scrutiny:
"especially the author's despicable attitude toward women. As episode after episode reveals, Koestler was a pathological adulterer, a misogynist, and, on several occasions, an unrepentant date-rapist. He was also a hopelessly self-destructive, vain, arrogant, and self-pitying man who marred each of his important relationships with disgraceful, drunken rows.
We're talkin' big, expensive brick homes, obliterated down to the foundations. Man.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
We had a hugely destructive tornado up in Edmonton during the 80s. It obliterated damn near everything in its path.
Anonymous @ 3:00 pm with the movie reviews is us, bitches.
Gonzales realized that nothing serious happened when Americans found out about illegal spying so he thought he test the next couple of feet of ice and see if it would hold, as well.
Hecate, the bastard's now toting a hydrogen bomb. No ice is thick enough to support that.
It obliterated damn near everything in its path.
Yes, but nobody noticed til Canada Day.
Anonymous @ 3:00 pm with the movie reviews is us, bitches.
So which one saw Ice Age 2? 'Fess up, yuri!
WTF? They took a freaking book? On what grounds did they do that?
The Old Man From Scene 24 - 2:16 pm
Catch-22
JP
I used to live in Hendersonville (graduated from HHS) and remember when they built Vol State and the expensive subdivisions out along Gallatin Road. How bad were things? Did it travel north of Hendersonville, or did it go through it on its way to Gallatin? I talked to my father today who lives north of Gallatin now, and he's okay.
...and then when I was done, the girl said: So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
SIlly person. Everyone knows the dinosaurs died in Noah's flood. They didn't fit in the ark, you see...
To belabor the point with the bleeding obvious, a witness who can recite a clear and consistent authentic narrative of events earns credibility. A fixed statement is the best foundation for those who lack a superhuman photographic memory.
Because most of my witnesses to the various dreadful things done to me were also historians, there was a certain group credibility granted. ....
Toonscribe--clean sheets upstairs.
JP
I used to live in Hendersonville (graduated from HHS) and remember when they built Vol State and the expensive subdivisions out along Gallatin Road. How bad were things? Did it travel north of Hendersonville, or did it go through it on its way to Gallatin? I talked to my father today who lives north of Gallatin now, and he's okay.
Toonscribe
My brother lives in Hendersonville, and according to him, they're okay.
Shaw - that's horrible. It is time to start fighting back.
Eyewitnesses are generally worthless.
I'm off. Later gators!
Shaw - that's horrible. It is time to start fighting back.
mena
You said it, babe!
Civil and social disobedience
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......................The White Overalls principle, inspired by the EZLN and Zapatista-solidarity groups, consisted of covering one's body in padding and wearing helmets to deflect the blows of police, and going on marches or demonstrations while wearing easily-recognizable white or yellow overalls. This practice came to be associated with civil disobedience during the International Monetary Fund and World Bank protests in Prague, Czech Republic, on September 26, 2000, in which those who offered symbolic physical resistance by crossing police lines while covered in padding joined the yellow line, which was associated with civil disobedience. Currently, civil and social disobedience includes the creation of autonomous squatted social centers and political activism f................
Sidrah,
I'm not so sure. He'll bomb Iran and tell Americans that it was for their own good cuz it's his job to
"keep us safe," and most of them will switch the channel and keep watching American Idol. A few will get upset and he'll send them off to Gitmo w/ no charges, no notice, no lawyer, no nothing. They'll just disappear. Yeah, he's going to use the hydrogen bomb, likely before the fall election. There's no way he can stop himself.
Well now, we do have Pliny the Elder saying (1601 Philemon Holland translation):
"ELEPHANTS breed in that part of Affricke which lyeth beyond the deserts and wildernesse of the Syrtes: also in Mauritania: they are found also among the Æthiopians and Troglodites, as hath been said: but India bringeth forth the biggest: as also the dragons, that are continually at variance with them, and evermore fighting, and those of such greatnesse, that they can easily claspe and wind round about the Elephants, and withall tye them fast with a knot. In this conflict they die, both the one and the other: the Elephant hee falls downe dead as conquered, and with his heavie weight crusheth and squeaseth the dragon that is wound and wreathed about him."
Of course, I also think he talks of: "Ctesias writeth, that in Æthiopia likewise there is a beast which he calleth Mantichora, having three rankes of teeth, which when they meet togither are let in one within another like the teeth of combes: with the face and eares of a man, with red eyes; of colour sanguine, bodied like a lyon, and having a taile armed with a sting like a scorpion: his voice resembleth the noise of a flute and trumpet sounded together: very swift he is, and mans flesh of all others hee most desireth."
And: "Æthiopia breedeth them, like as many other monstrous beasts: to wit, horses with wings, and armed with hornes, which they call Pegasi."
Great fun, gullible old Pliny was, surprised the creationists crazeies h
You know, I brought a copy of into the Soviet Union back in 1986. It wasn't confiscated.
NTodd, Anti-Speedo
Elmer's Law of Conservation of Negative Energy would require that the authoritariansm set free by the demise of the USSR had to find a home somewhere, and since the only other conntry large enough to support a USSR-sized mass of NE-China-was already at capacity, the USA would be the obvious destination. The transfer was doubtless already in progress in the '80s, and you benefitted. In the '60s, you might have been confiscated.
That was supposed to say, surprised the creationists creazies haven't found him.
So Jesus didn't live when dinosaurs did? Are you sure?
surely anyone with half a brain would know that humans and dinosaurs did not exist together.
I mean Fucking Hell!
i am left speechless
Moonbootica, Praetor - 2:16 pm
It's called "The Dumbing of America".
Toonscribe: I used to live in Hendersonville (graduated from HHS) and remember when they built Vol State and the expensive subdivisions out along Gallatin Road. How bad were things? Did it travel north of Hendersonville, or did it go through it on its way to Gallatin? I talked to my father today who lives north of Gallatin now, and he's okay.
I'm thinking Hendersonville was spared all but hail and high straight-line winds. The most comprehensive set of links I've see thusfar has been here.
And, oh -- there a turtle head pokin' out, btw.
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He'll bomb Iran and tell Americans that it was for their own good cuz it's his job to
"keep us safe," and most of them will switch the channel and keep watching American Idol.
No, that's not going to happen this time. I saw a poll a few weeks ago that showed that support for attacking Iran was at 7%. Moreover, indifference will be made impossible by the massive rise in oil prices that will result in the event of an attack.
Not too good at fingering chords, either!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore - 2:48 pm
Hey, those fingers weren't born to finger silly old chords, darlin'...
I saw a poll a few weeks ago that showed that support for attacking Iran was at 7%.
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Liberal bias poll.
We need to attack.
What the public thinks doesn't matter. What do they know?
Could it be the press is just stupid, just like their hero, The Yale Illiterate?
A few weeks ago the question was asked to an administration staffer if the Executive Branch could determine who was an "enemy" / "terrorist" here in the USA and "kill" them. Put another way, does the administration have the right to form death squads to kill Americans.
You can of course guess the answer
Welcome to India......
BJP=neocon
No area of education or culture has remained free from the RSS' s assault on education and culture, and in effect this is the real meaning of having a BJP led NDA government at the Centre.
BJP rule has resulted in a visible erosion of the credibility of many well known educational and cultural institutions. This government has actively suppressed the freedom of expression, trampled on the democratic and fundamental rights of the minorities and secular minded people, and transformed in a big way the content of school education in the BJP ruled states. It is doing the same for education outside the government school system. School textbooks have been rewritten in the states ruled by the BJP, to suit their long-term design of undermining the secular state and the pluralistic traditions of our country. These books define the nation as all right wing political tendencies do, i.e., in exclusivist terms.
The so-called National Curriculum framework put out by the government through the NCERT, is designed to serve the same sectarian ends. It is being implemented without discussion and without approval of those concerned in the NCERT, and without the approval of the state governments, a necessary requirement for any significant changes in the national education policy.
No area of education or culture has remained free from the RSS' s assault on education and culture, and in effect this is the real meaning of having a BJP led NDA government at the Centre.
BJP rule has resulted in a visible erosion of the credibility of many well known educational and cultural institutions. This government has actively suppressed the freedom of expression, trampled on the democratic and fundamental rights of the minorities and secular minded people, and transformed in a big way the content of school education in the BJP ruled states. It is doing the same for education outside the government school system. School textbooks have been rewritten in the states ruled by the BJP, to suit their long-term design of undermining the secular state and the pluralistic traditions of our country. These books define the nation as all right wing political tendencies do, i.e., in exclusivist terms.
The so-called National Curriculum framework put out by the government through the NCERT, is designed to serve the same sectarian ends. It is being implemented without discussion and without approval of those concerned in the NCERT, and without the approval of the state governments, a necessary requirement for any significant changes in the national education policy....................http://
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oppsssssssss...
Gaurdian:
"Cuba? It was great, say boys freed from US prison camp"
[Asadullah strives to make his point, switching to English lest there be any mistaking him. “I am lucky I went there, and now I miss it. Cuba was great,” said the 14-year-old, knotting his brow in the effort to make sure he is understood.
Not that Asadullah saw much of the Caribbean island. During his 14-month stay, he went to the beach only a couple of times - a shame, as he loved to snorkel. And though he learned a few words of Spanish, Asadullah had zero contact with the locals.
He spent a typical day watching movies, going to class and playing football. He was fascinated to learn about the solar system, and now enjoys reciting the names of the planets, starting with Earth. Less diverting were the twice-monthly interrogations about his knowledge of al-Qaida and the Taliban. But, as Asadullah’s answer was always the same - “I don’t know anything about these people” - these sessions were merely a bore: an inevitably tedious consequence, Asadullah suggests with a shrug, of being held captive in Guantanamo Bay.
On January 29, Asadullah and two other juvenile prisoners were returned home to Afghanistan. The three boys are not sure of their ages. But, according to the estimate of the Red Cross, Asadullah is the youngest, aged 12 at the time of his arrest. The second youngest, Naqibullah, was arrested with him, aged perhaps 13, while the third boy, Mohammed Ismail, was a child at the time of his separate arrest, but probably isn’t now.
Tracked down to his remote village in south-eastern Afghanistan, Naqibullah has memories of Guantanamo that are almost identical to Asadullah’s. Prison life was good, he said shyly, nervous to be receiving a foreigner to his family’s mud-fortress home.
The food in the camp was delicious, the teaching was excellent, and his warders were kind. “Americans are good people, they were always friendly, I don’t have anything against them,” he said. “If my father didn’t need me, I would want to live in America.”
Asadullah is even more sure of this. “Americans are great people, better than anyone else,” he said, when found at his elder brother’s tiny fruit and nut shop in a muddy backstreet of Kabul. “Americans are polite and friendly when you speak to them. They are not rude like Afghans. If I could be anywhere, I would be in America. I would like to be a doctor, an engineer — or an American soldier........”]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/
st...1163436,00.html
Really makes you wonder why Ashcroff, left.
One felony conviction results in perpetual disfranchisement in 13 U.S. states.....
Those affected are usually prohibited from voting in federal elections as well, even though their convictions were at the state level for state crimes, not federal crimes..........
Some states consider dishonorable discharge a felony conviction and disfranchise those affected..........
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It was our Constitution that gave us the foundation that enables us to remain a democracy. The Constitution provides five separate tribunals with veto power representatives, senate, executive, judges and jury. Before a law gains the power to punish that law must first pass the test of each constitutionally guaranteed authority.
John Adams, our second president, had this to say about the juror: "It is not only his right but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court."
"Jury nullification of law", as it is sometimes called, is a traditional American right defended by the Founding Fathers. Those patriots intended that the jury serve as one of the tests a law must pass through before it assumes enough popular authority to be enforced. Our constitutional designers saw to it that each enactment of law must pass the scrutiny of these tribunals before it gains the authority to punish those who choose to violate any written law. Thomas Jefferson said, "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."
http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/
IS...lification.html
.........Four decades before Jefferson spoke these words, a jury had established freedom of the press in the colonies by finding John Peter Zenger not guilty of seditious libel. He had been arrested and charged for printing critical Ñ but true Ñ news stories about the Governor of New York Colony. "Truth is no defense", the court told the jury! But the jury decided to reject bad law, and acquitted......
American colonial juries regularly thwarted bad law sent over from mother England. Britain then retaliated by restricting both trial by jury and other rights which juries had won or protected. Result? The Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution! http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/
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