I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Chuy.
Protect us all.
Wisconsin men and wemon hockey champs
go badgers
Awww
And we do understand, don't we, why it would be that Salvadorans fleeing to El Norte are now an immediate cause of concern in Arizona?
Because you should. These are our sisters and this is where freedom is.
Great, let's import millions of these guys into our country!
Great idea! Drive the wages of the working man into the floor and bring on a new theocracy.
Fucking religious wack-jobs are to thank for this Medieval horror.
These are our sisters and this is where freedom is.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Only if they stop before they get to South Dakota.
Because you should. These are our sisters and this is where freedom is.
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That's right. Dear god, the suffering. I
Hey, it's Sat nite! this is too depressing.
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Fucking religious wack-jobs are to thank for this Medieval horror.
Barbaric bastards that have no sense of humanity.
Gruesome story. Even doctors have to report injured women who come with evidence that they had an abortion.
It took some balls to do this story. Say what you will about the NYT-this is aimed right at the heart of the religious zealots' agenda.
Young healthy women can bleed to death from ectopic pregnancies. Where even in Roman Catholic doctrine is it held that an ectopic pregnancy can't be ended?
EL SALVADOR : It's the Cheese!
that anonymous was not me.
I think that sucker should chill
put on -brand new key- and grin
for a little while
Fucking religious wack-jobs are to thank for this Medieval horror.
The fucking religous wack-jobs want to destroy the Enlightenment and everything that can be traced to it.
To include the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
They are at war with our civilization itself, they want to throw us back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance.
Over my dead body.
Has Markos savied the Democatic party yet?
Fucking religious wack-jobs are to thank for this Medieval horror.
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It's hard to think this is all church-inspired. How much is related to fascist policies we prop up?
Pro-what? Women's lives and decisions are cheapened and discounted in the cold calculus of people who should have nothing to say about the biology shaping their lives. That's not pro anything, aside from pro-my-belief, anti-your-body, anti-your-life. Screw the Pope. Screw the bishops. Screw the Dalai Lama, or anybody else who presumes that a living, breathing, sentient woman hasn't the right to manage her own body.
Pro-what? Women's lives and decisions are cheapened and discounted in the cold calculus of people who should have nothing to say about the biology shaping their lives. That's not pro anything, aside from pro-my-belief, anti-your-body, anti-your-life. Screw the Pope. Screw the bishops. Screw the Dalai Lama, or anybody else who presumes that a living, breathing, sentient woman hasn't the right to manage her own body.
the wingnuts can suck my hairy balls.....if i was a man, and i had 'em..i mean serious tea bag action.
i hate wingers
i hate anyone that wants to tell me what i can do. really. fuck off.
i am a democrat. i am a feminist. i am a homebrewer.
Any more on Sallyh's experience with the book-confiscating ass-lackies of the TSA?
I'm sure the Republicans would be happy to kill off any nonrepublican, nonantichoice women.
Come to think of it, I think they'd be happy to kill off most women.
It's hard to think this is all church-inspired. How much is related to fascist policies we prop up?
mena
It's all related to fascist policies. The church in Salvador has some control. Less than is imagined. The RC church in Mexico is explicitly excluded from political activities. It isn't "the church". It's the political realm.
Chocolate Proton--spent some time writing it down in chronological sequence with as much detail as I can recall. I want it well assembled so that I'm not floundering when I talk to someone from the press.
I agree with Sidhra at 10;06, but remain puzzled (in addition to outraged) by the idea that there's a religious doctrine even in a largely Catholic nation that prevents treatment of ectopic pregnancies...
GWPDA: that's what I was getting at...the governmental structure capable of such a thing is capable of much else besides. The ghastly Ceausescu orphanages come to mind...
It doesn't have as much to do with Roman Catholicism as it does with being the result of 1) crushing liberation theology and 2) US backed fascists.
It doesn't have as much to do with Roman Catholicism as it does with being the result of 1) crushing liberation theology and 2) US backed fascists.
Screw Haloscan, too.
puzzled (in addition to outraged) by the idea that there's a religious doctrine even in a largely Catholic nation that prevents treatment of ectopic pregnancies...
The religion in question is not Catholicism, but Fascism.
Anyone want to hear some fun stories about abortion in Ireland in the 1950s?
Why don't you post-modern whores go to Iran to have your abortions if you hate America so much. They're legal there, just like other forms of terrorism.
ProfWombat--it makes no medical sense to have this policy. I'm sure you've seen the results of ectopic rupture.
Phila, if you're around, XP automatically firewalls any new connection, and you'll have to disable it. Wish I'd thought of that earlier.
Chocolate Proton--spent some time writing it down in chronological sequence with as much detail as I can recall. I want it well assembled so that I'm not floundering when I talk to someone from the press.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere | Homepage | 04.08.06 - 10:09 pm | #
Hi, Sallyh, what happened? I caught a reference to the problem elsewhere but couldn't see the original posting. Very interested in this.
Anyone want to hear some fun stories about abortion in Ireland in the 1950s?
Thers, Paterfamilias
No, lamb, we know already. We know.
Anyone want to hear some fun stories about abortion in Ireland in the 1950s?
I'd like to hear more fairy stories about the police.
Abortion in Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Abo...bortion_in_Iran
The issue of abortion in Iran has been the subject of much controversy for many years.
Though abortion has never been legal at any point in Iran's history, in April 2005, the Iranian Parliament approved a new bill allowing for abortion in certain limited cases, such as the termination of a deformed or physically handicapped baby. However, the Council of Guardians, a 12-member clerical body which must approve new legislation passed by the Parliament, rejected the bill a month later.
Legal abortion is still allowed in Iran, but only in the event that the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. Any other form of abortion is strictly illegal.
Thers--I've heard some horror stories from my ma.
I also heard you could be arrested if you managed to bring in condoms from Holland or Luxembourg.
sallyh: well, they bleed to death not uncommonly if they're not rapidly and expertly treated. Successful treatment usually involves sacrifice of the tube, and consequent compromise of future fertility.
I'm just appalled that this can go on. It's been a bad day for good-humored snark, hasn't it?
Can't read the link, but just reading the post is... WTF do you SAY about something like that??? That's just murderous.
That's just murderous.
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I can't imagine anything more explicitly hostile to women.
More to be pissed off about:
Washington, D.C.- Congressman Engel is taking action to prevent con artists from using fake Caller ID services to call into your homes. New online technology enables callers to “spoof” the name and phone number that will appear on Caller ID. In so doing, a criminal can pretend to be a person's bank and try to convince a person to give out credit card numbers, personal bank information or simply cover their trails as a telemarketer.
The problems are not limited solely to criminal conduct. Complaints flooded into some Congressional office after constituents received nasty phone calls, which Caller ID identified as coming from Capitol Hill. Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM) is joining with Engel to introduce legislation to make Caller ID spoofing illegal. A bill to prohibit deceptive altering or disguising of caller identification on outbound telephone calls was introduced today in Congress.
“There are unscrupulous people who can go to a website, pay a fee and then create a new fraudulent identity,” said Rep. Engel, a member of the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet. “These websites even provide optional voice scrambling and other disguising features. Essentially, the technology is out there for perfect scams using Caller ID. Unless this legislation passes, it would still be considered legal.”
"This is a deceptive practice that, in particular, is difficult for many seniors. It should be banned," Rep. Wilson said. "Phones are personal property for the owner's use and convenience. They should not be deceived into answering unwanted calls."
Engel continued, “This bill is designed to prohibit deceptive caller identification. I have heard from my constituents that identity theft is a growing concern and, sadly, from many people who have been victims themselves. Spoofing technologies enable criminals to prey on unsuspecting people who may unknowingly give out private information. This legislation is immediately needed, and I look forward to working with my colleague Heather Wilson to move this legislation quickly to the floor for a vote. I remind people once again never to give out their personal information over the phone.”
Shrdlu--basically, my nylon underwire bra and plastic shirt buttons set off the metal detectors at the Salt Lake City Airport, and I was inappropriately touched. My copy of 'American Theocracy' was also confiscated, my prescription meds opened, and my equipment manhandled.
It really isn't relevant as to what Persia permits versus what Salvador does.
What Salvador is doing to its people is vile. It is fascist. The consequences are beyond understanding.
It has nothing at all to do with the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It has only to do with the oppression and destruction of free will, personal sanctity and survival.
No one can be expected to sustain this degree of horror. They must be free.
the wingnuts can suck my hairy balls.....if i was a man, and i had 'em..i mean serious tea bag action.
I am, and I do, and they most certainly can suck mine.
John Lennon was right:
"Woman Is the Nigger of the World"
Catchy name for a neocon-Suthurn Ripofflicans.
"Pro-what? Women's lives and decisions are cheapened and discounted in the cold calculus of people who should have nothing to say about the biology shaping their lives. That's not pro anything, aside from pro-my-belief, anti-your-body, anti-your-life. Screw the Pope. Screw the bishops. Screw the Dalai Lama, or anybody else who presumes that a living, breathing, sentient woman hasn't the right to manage her own body.
Sidhra"
Word!
It's like 1956 all over again.
Chocolate Proton--spent some time writing it down in chronological sequence with as much detail as I can recall. I want it well assembled so that I'm not floundering when I talk to someone from the press.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
Which is why we think you are brilliant as well as lovely.
Jack Hitt makes the mistake of assuming that this isn't exactly the world they want.
Jack Hitt makes the mistake of assuming that this isn't exactly the world they want.
It's like 1956 all over again.
==
Well, it is what they say they want.
Heather Wilson
(spit)
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I also heard you could be arrested if you managed to bring in condoms from Holland or Luxembourg.
In the Republic, yes. Any contraceptive was illegal, through the 70s, iirc.
Come to think of it, I think they'd be happy to kill off most women.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
They can't.
Where would they get more Repugs from?
Why don't you post-modern whores go to Iran to have your abortions if you hate America so much. They're legal there, just like other forms of terrorism.
sister soul
They're legal here, too.
Now please help yourself to a nice long suck on my ass.
Chocolate Proton--I confess my reaction to the touching was not completely rational. I am fearful of being touched by anyone by familiars that I have consented to being embraced by. I'm not comfortable with strangers in general; I need a lot of personal space; and to be touched in private areas by aggressive, insulting individuals is, to my mind, a severe violation.
1950s Ireland, chief doctor at the national maternity hospital
It is unnecessary to stress to Catholic doctors that the practices of contraception, sterilisation and therapeutic abortion are contrary to the moral law," he thundered. "But what we must all guard against and especially is this so in the teaching centres, is the unwarranted and unnecessary employment of Caesarean section."
You don't want to hear what the alternative was.
Forcing women to bear ectopics to rupture is a crime against humanity. A church unwilling to take a public stance on an issue like this isn't worth serious consideration as a moral force.
Wonder how Bush feels about it? Not much downside to denouncing it, seems to me, unless it really is a lot closer to home than he'd like us to believe.
Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM)
She IS a moron!
Sallyh, damn. I'd heard that some of the pre-boarding screenings practically obviate the need for a mammogram these days. Hope you're able to hit 'em with the chair.
Why don't you post-modern whores go to Iran to have your abortions if you hate America so much. They're legal there, just like other forms of terrorism.
sister soul
WHATever!
Shame your momma didn't abort YOU!
sally: no second thoughts please. Hit them with the chair. You deserve it.
I can't wait to see what the reaction will be to this article. Will it be ignored, actually discussed, or will the wingers deny anything so troubling could happen here? I'm afraid the most likely will be it gets swept under the rug. Although there's a few people will be getting a copy of it from me.
WHATever!
Shame your momma didn't abort YOU!
Terry C, Coldplayer
She did, but it lived somehow.
Anyone want to hear some fun stories about abortion in Ireland in the 1950s?
Thers, Paterfamilias
I'm so glad that they've basically told the Catholic Church to bugger off.
I do not believe that the Roman Catholic Church, nor any of the Orthodox Churches prefers that women die rather than support an ectopic pregnancy or any other form of medical issue that will lead, inevitably, to death.
If it does, if they do, then they are scum.
And I'll bring every fleeing Sud Americana into my home and place and declare them my daughters and sponsor them as citizens in los estados unidos so as to keep them safe and whole and human.
CTheGee--no second thoughts at all. I'm simply trying to be as factual as possible.
I believe I was treated inappropriately, and I want it known.
She did, but it lived somehow.
Buzz Bomb
It's situation was the same as with Chimpy.
They threw out the baby and kept the afterbirth.
Sorry, GWPDA, The Holy Roman Catholic Church holds as doctrine that human life begins at conception, and that as such a blastocyst is just as fully human as you or I. Holding such a doctrine has consequences in the real world, most of them demeaning to women's integrity and humanity. Powerful men of ill-will exploit this doctrine to the very real physical hurt of women across the world. Bad doctrine leads to bad results.
I can't wait to see what the reaction will be to this article. Will it be ignored, actually discussed, or will the wingers deny anything so troubling could happen here?
The pro-life Catholics I've known will say, "She should have kept her legs closed. She knew what the risks were, and the penalties, yada yada."
That's what it really boils down to for those people. It's about stopping people from fucking, not about saving babies.
hey
Where would they get more Repugs from?
The women they keep as chattel.
The de Cardenal woman in the NYT article: may she die a hideous, painful, and lonely death.
Ain't religion and sweaty faced fascist men in your personal life, grand?
Abortion Ban Foes Filling Petition Pages
Both Democrats and Republicans in conservative South Dakota want to bring the law to a public vote and thus put it on hold.
By Stephanie Simon
Times Staff Writer
STURGIS, S.D. — Volunteers pushing to overturn the nation's most far-reaching abortion ban are surprised and delighted by the response as they circulate petitions to put the law up for a public vote.
Even in the most conservative corners of this conservative state, both Republicans and Democrats — including some voters who say they oppose abortion — are eagerly signing the petition. In two weeks, volunteers have collected a third of the signatures they need to get a November referendum on the ban.
Some voters dismiss the abortion-rights activists as out of touch with South Dakotan values. "People here have a sense of morals and ethics," said Darcy Patterson, 40. "I don't want to change the law."
But others say their legislators went too far when they voted last month to prohibit all abortions, even in cases of rape or incest, unless the mother's life is at stake.
Spotting three teenagers with clipboards as he walked up to the Sturgis post office, Jack Hoel, 74, broke into a grin.
"I can't wait to sign," he said. "I was going to go out looking for this petition."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...-home-
headlines
i hate wingers
i hate anyone that wants to tell me what i can do. really. fuck off.
i am a democrat. i am a feminist. i am a homebrewer.
smelly cat
I like the way you think!
No, Incog. Don't say such things.
Please.
More to be pissed off about:
yeah......
you know this really is all bush's fault.
i don't mean every detail, but his "leadership" has a gestalt, that is to say, set a rather disrespectful, avaricious, and violent tone.
I'm so glad that they've basically told the Catholic Church to bugger off.
Terry C, Coldplayer
I don't know firsthand, but I have heard that anticlericalism is rampant in Ireland now.
I'll be back when AnonyMORON leaves.
The only dates he gets have to be inflated.
And he probably jerks off to the photo of Prince Fuckwit in his flight suit,
Terry C, Coldplayer | 04.08.06 - 10:09 pm | #
"Some voters dismiss the abortion-rights activists as out of touch with South Dakotan values."
That must be one fucked up place to live, then!
I'll be back when AnonyMORON leaves.
The only dates he gets have to be inflated.
And he probably jerks off to the photo of Prince Fuckwit in his flight suit,
Terry C, Coldplayer | 04.08.06 - 10:09 pm | #
Wahhh, I'm taking my toys and going home. OK Cartman.
I think it's funny you brought up dating though considering your iown failures. Another dateless weekend fatty?
This article reminded me of all those books I have read where the women seem to inhabit this strange hidden space with its own rules, and where they're buffeted by all sorts of inexplicable events. At least such spaces have been aired out and made unnecessary by modernity. All the traditional societies seem to have them.
I don't know firsthand, but I have heard that anticlericalism is rampant in Ireland now.
Buzz Bomb
I remember back in the 90s when Sinead O'Connor talked about priests molesting kids in Ireland and everyone blew her off.
Then it started coming out that she hadn't been bullshitting.
A woman should be able to have an abortion only if a minister or rabbi determines the foetus she is carrying has not yet developed a soul. Once a soul begins to form she should stop going to raves and sleeping with illegal mexicans. Murder is not a lifestyle.
poor ted, another lonely night
Peterboy, that's the best news I've seen all day.
you know this really is all bush's fault.
i don't mean every detail, but his "leadership" has a gestalt, that is to say, set a rather disrespectful, avaricious, and violent tone.
charley
Bush's presidency has really emboldened the wacko fringe in this country. It's why they now openly and unashamedly crusade in the MSM for the kind of shit that used to be relegated to hand-Xeroxed hate journals that you had to send away for.
That's why he's so hung up about women's weight.
Terry C
Going the route of Quebec.
The pro-life Catholics I've known will say, "She should have kept her legs closed. She knew what the risks were, and the penalties, yada yada."
How about the women that were raped?
The children impregnated as result of incest?
I want to think about our friends honeymooning in the THousand Islands.
This is too much. I'm just too effing old to take up this battle again. You argued with me about Boomers verus GenX'ers. Well. IT's your turn. I'm too old now for aught but to take in sweet dears who are in trouble and need care.
You take the baton now.
Amigos...
joo weesh to know how we can prrrevent thees from happening here een la U.S. del A.?
I can tell joo how to start, no?
Elect pro-choice women to congress.
so.
poor ted, another lonely night
Atrios
Vicki isn't here so he decided to stalk me.
Wow. As long as it's on a really personal level and they don't have to talk about their boy, the trools can hardly contain themselves.
A woman should be able to have an abortion only if a minister or rabbi determines the foetus she is carrying has not yet developed a soul. Once a soul begins to form she should stop going to raves and sleeping with illegal mexicans. Murder is not a lifestyle.
sister soul
Oh, shut the fuck up and go away.
Sister Soul--why aren't you in church instead of hanging out here?
Sunday Times (UK)
US leak of Zarqawi letter riles Israelis
ISRAELI military intelligence officials have accused President George W Bush’s administration of undermining their attempts to infiltrate Al-Qaeda’s operations in Iraq by revealing the contents of a secret letter written by Osama Bin Laden’s second-in-command, writes Uzi Mahnaimi.
Israel passed the letter — in which Ayman al-Zawahiri outlined his Middle East strategy to Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda leader in Iraq — to Washington last October on condition of strict anonymity.
Israeli officials were dismayed, however, when John Negroponte, the US director of national intelligence, made it available in both English and its original Arabic on his office web site.
Israeli intelligence sources said officials who had worked on “Operation Tiramisu” inside Iraq took emergency steps to protect their sources, but it was not clear how successful they had been in averting the damage to their intelligence network.
They said Bush’s indiscretion had undone months of painstaking effort.
I apologize for pasting th wrong quote, I was distreacted by the dog.
I don't know firsthand, but I have heard that anticlericalism is rampant in Ireland now.
Buzz Bomb
Quebec. Quite Revolution.
It's like 1956 all over again.
==
Well, it is what they say they want.
mena
in fact i just heard that goober congressman, (kasich?) who works for FOX now ask Dolly Parton if we should not go back the times of the 50's.
interestingly, she gave a very intelligent answer. but john is still a goober.
Ted's great burden is that no woman will ever touch him, no matter how much he offers to pay them.
Wow. As long as it's on a really personal level and they don't have to talk about their boy, the trools can hardly contain themselves.
mena
I love how Ted knows so much about me since he wouldn't know me if he bumped into me on the street.
Does he assume ALL liberal ladies are fat?
GWPDA, as you and everybody here knows, it's the same enemy we all face.
Why should I listen to a minister or a rabbi about souling? They are not in my religion, after all, and they have no more ability to smell souls than anyone else does.
Didn't know that rabbis and ministers were qualified to act as ob/gyns.
NYT -- no-one told Steven Hadley that the NIE had already been declassified by Chimpy before he formally declassified it.
I'm waiting for some empirical evidence of the existance of a soul.
After all, medicine is based on empirical reality.
The Reaganites got the gov't they wanted in El Salvodor, as did the RC Church.
OT--Does anyone know the 4 Rolling Stones songs the Chinese banned them from performing? I'm guessing "Starfucker" is one, but can't find any account.
GWPDA, as you and everybody here knows, it's the same enemy we all face.
Ô¿Ô
Yes, baby. It's the same visage. I just am so tired. Mijo, you understand.
Haven't read this whole thread, but lemme guess: The trollies are pissed because they can't find any coherent way to defend El Salvador (aka Southern South Dakota), so they're resorting to namestealing again.
Once a soul begins to form she should stop going to raves and sleeping with illegal mexicans
So sister soul, before your foetus had a soul you were hanging out at raves and sleeping with illegals?
¿Oh, and la trollita?
¿The dateless wonder?
¿Whose one great shame een life ees that no woman weel ever touch hees teeny-tiny itty-bitty, teensy-weensy, deenky leetle weenky?
Eet can chupame mi pollo.
My compact, yet powerful, spine-covered pollo.
chupame la, twice.
so.
Ireland is a country where half the old ladies on a bus will bless themselves when passing a church, but also a country that doesn't seem too concerned that their prime minister is married and openly has a mistress.
religion is a dangerous thing ... except for the worship of celestrial teapots ~ safe as can be.
No shit:
http://www.comcast.net/news/inte.../08/
364024.html
I'm waiting for some empirical evidence of the existance of a soul.
If these nutters ever gain the power here I'm going to start a movement which readopts the medieval idea that sperm is really a full human being and that the uterus is just a grazing field for it. Then the souling happens in the testicles and the people who won't get prostate surgery for cancer will rise up and stop the silly games.
so they're resorting to namestealing again.
Phoenix Woman
Pretty much.
And what it does is make me want,from my soul, to move north.
Sallyh, I'm sorry to hear about your travel travails!
These abuse of power stories by TSA/Homeland Sec types just keep on coming... the shivering fear that so many American's live in - and that would have disgusted the founding fathers - has resulted in a stinking nest of bureaucracy, a haven for tinpot dictators. Fucking Star Trek evil-universe Andy Fifes is what they are. Don Knotts with a goatee.
n fact i just heard that goober congressman, (kasich?) who works for FOX now ask Dolly Parton if we should not go back the times of the 50's
That'd be nice in a way. Families could be supported by one breadwinner, without much debt
Draco:
In another reminder of the heavy hand of China's authoritarian government, the Stones were told not to sing five of their songs, apparently because of their suggestive lyrics.
The songs were believed to be "Brown Sugar," "Honky Tonk Women," "Beast of Burden," "Let's Spend the Night Together" and "Rough Justice." But "Start Me Up" slipped through.
Most Catholic theologians consider immediate removal of the fallopian tube completely ethical:
http://www.cuf.org/faithfacts/de...iew.asp?
ffID=57
Why does El Salvador hate women?
so.
¡El Gato Negro!
The Duke lacrosse scandal is makimg Bobo have 2nd thoughts about his moral revival meme
You would then ask questions very different from the sociological ones: How have these young men slipped into depravity? Why have they not developed sufficient character to restrain their baser impulses?
The educators who used this vocabulary several decades ago understood that when you concentrate young men, they have a tropism toward barbarism. That's why these educators cared less about academics than about instilling a formula for character building. The formula, then called chivalry, consisted first of manners, habits and self-imposed restraints to prevent the downward slide.
Furthermore, it was believed that each of us had a godlike and a demonic side, and that decent people perpetually strengthened the muscles of their virtuous side in order to restrain the deathless sinner within. If you read commencement addresses from, say, the 1920's, you can actually see college presidents exhorting their students to battle the beast within — a sentiment that if uttered by a contemporary administrator would cause the audience to gape and the earth to fall off its axis.
Today that old code of obsolete chivalry is gone, as is a whole vocabulary on how young people should think about character.
Eet can chupame mi pollo.
No idea what that actually means, but it sounds so filthy I'd like to learn to pronounce it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Qui...uiet_Revolution
The Quiet Revolution (Révolution tranquille) was a period of rapid change in Quebec, Canada, in the 1960s.
Quebec's "Quiet Revolution" was characterized by:
The rapid and effective secularization of society;
The creation of an État-Providence (welfare state);
A transformation of the national identity among Francophone Quebecers (from Canadien français to the term Québécois)...
From the late 1930s to 1959, the political, educational, economic and social spheres of Quebec were controlled by the fiercely conservative Maurice Duplessis, leader of the Union Nationale. Since first settled as part of New France, the Roman Catholic Church used entities such as the Company of One Hundred Associates to keep control but under British rule, business maintained a powerful lobby to protect the investments needed to keep Canada's economy on pace with the United States. Electoral fraud and corruption were commonplace in Quebec, with the Church openly campaigning for the Union Nationale with slogans such as Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge (Heaven is blue, hell is red - referring to the colours of the Union Nationale (blue) and the Liberals (red)). The Roman Catholic Church controlled the availability of books by maintaining an index of banned documents (the Index Librorum Prohibitorum). The Catholic Church controlled the French education institutions and hospitals. A legacy from this agreement is the Duplessis Orphans...
In many ways, Maurice Duplessis's death in 1959, very soon followed by the sudden death of his successor Paul Sauvé, served as a trigger for the Quiet Revolution, or rather it unleashed energies that had been held back by the Roman Catholic Church policies for decades. Within a year of Duplessis's death, the Liberal party was elected with Jean Lesage at its head. The Liberals had campaigned under the very evocative slogans Maîtres chez nous (Masters of our own house) and Il faut que ça change (Things have to change).
To achieve these goals the Lesage government bid largely on an accrued instruction of its population. The Commission Parent was established in 1961 to study the education system and to bring forth recommendations, which eventually led to the adoption of several reforms, the most important of which was the secularization of the education system. Although schools maintained their historical Catholic or Protestant characters, in practice they were secular institutions since the province was now in charge of the school programs. Other reforms included mandatory school attendance until the age of 16 and free instruction until the 11th grade.
Well.
That's pretty horrifying.
Draco, I heard BROWN SUGAR was one as well.
Hey Draco. How are you tonight?
OT:
Regnery's latest
Once a soul begins to form she should stop going to raves and sleeping with illegal mexicans
So sister soul, before your foetus had a soul you were hanging out at raves and sleeping with illegals?
FeralLiberal
Racist, sexist pig, isn't it?
sister soul
If you think you are funny/clever you are wrong.
Leave the trolling to the real trolls.
.
religion is a dangerous thing ... except for the worship of celestrial teapots ~ safe as can be.
Syd Barrett
Ahhh, reminds of my days as a little godling... I used to sing "I'm a celestial teapot, infinite and stout!"
The Stones never stop selling out, do they?
So... why is Bush selling nuclear weapons to India, again? Doesn't he know this will piss of Pakistan?!?
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That'd be nice in a way. Families could be supported by one breadwinner, without much debt
Draco
Yeah, and back in the 50s, men never dumped their wives for a younger women leaving her and the kids in poverty....
Richard
Collapsed like a house of cards.
Bobo is odd. When the Duke lacrosse players acted out of a feeling for entitlement he argues that they should have been trained to be more chivalrous about their entitlements. He doesn't seem to think that maybe it would be better not to have that feeling of entitlement.
Bobo finds men really complicated to manage, doesn't he? Lots of Greek concepts needed and stuff. Also separate jungle gyms.
Richard
Collapsed like a house of cards.
elkal | 04.08.06 - 10:41 pm | #
The TSA goons are utterly out-of-control. Remember the story where a college gir whol wanted to carry her beta fish on a plane and they spontaneously invented some rule that she couldn't and told her to flush it?
She decided to hide it in a bag and feigned crying as she boarded. The TSA scum were much pleased with themselves. But she really was worried because the X-ray machine was likely to kill the fish. The fish survived.
What assholes
n fact i just heard that goober congressman, (kasich?) who works for FOX now ask Dolly Parton if we should not go back the times of the 50's
That'd be nice in a way. Families could be supported by one breadwinner, without much debt
Draco
No birth control.
I was never into the Suzy Homemaker thing.
i am a homebrewer.
smelly cat
let me in on any tips to make elderberry wines/brews??
Have a bunch of wild elderberries, spicebushes, hazelnuts, looking for a low tech way to make lambics.
prepare to puke at the nyt wedding pages tomorrow
"There are some relationships where you have to readjust your eyes to the pairing," said John Dickerson, the chief political correspondent for Slate and a friend of Ms. Brown and Mr. Senor
What's up, Tigerlily?
Time to go to bed. Between Hersh and Hitt, somewhat uneasily...
A woman should be able to have an abortion only if a minister or rabbi determines the foetus she is carrying has not yet developed a soul.
Right.
Does that determination involve the entrails of a goat?
Silleigh aka Furiousleigh
Pollo is chicken.
Eet is a misspelling?
.
Yeah, and back in the 50s, men never dumped their wives for a younger women leaving her and the kids in poverty....
Ô¿Ô
The ones that beat their chests the hardest and proclaimed the loudest that "no wife of mine is going to work" were the ones who were most likely to leave the wife and kids in poverty.
Silleigh,
joo pronounce eet: "Choo-pah-may mee poy-yoh".
Eet means "Suck my pollo"...
...and pollo means "male-chicken".
so.
It's about stopping people from fucking, not about saving babies.
Buzz Bomb
that is exactly what it is.
evidence, no problemo with the death penalty, or illegal/wrongheaded/holy wars...
killing is not a problem, but sex freaks 'em out.
A woman should be able to have an abortion only if a minister or rabbi determines the foetus she is carrying has not yet developed a soul.
I see you're still waiting to develop yours.
What's up, Tigerlily?
Darn. Now I feel like watching that movie and it's not in my current location.
The TSA goons are utterly out-of-control. Remember the story where a college gir whol wanted to carry her beta fish on a plane and they spontaneously invented some rule that she couldn't and told her to flush it?
A beta fish?? No wonder they didn't let her take it on board, could be full of all sorts of dangerous bugs. Can't take a fish on a plane unless it's at least 2.0 or later.
The Stones never stop selling out, do they?
Terry C, Coldplayer
How much money does one need?
.
Everyone knows that souls were created all at once in the Big Bang and can be neither created nor destroyed. They come and go from a developing fetus but don't take up permanent residence in the body usually till shortly before or after birth. The idea that abortion could somehow harm a nonmaterial soul is so ridiculous as to be laughable. Souls know when an abortion will take place and simply go elsewhere. So where's the problem?
How Dan met Campbell
In March 2004, Ms. Brown appeared in the crowd of journalists covering one of his [Senor's] daily news conferences. She was doing a story on Abu Ghraib prison for NBC
What's up, Tigerlily?
Darn. Now I feel like watching that movie and it's not in my current location.
Silleigh aka Furiousleigh
One of my favorite movies.
"Get the recipe.....ass!"
When I was a kid in the 60s I never imagined the world would be so fucked up 40 years later.
it's really tragic.
Bobo is odd.
Yes. And also, pretty stupid.
Incog--I'm still injury-prone. This time the tailbone, and I can't sit for more than a few minutes, or have to sit in some odd rwisted position.
How sarcastic were you being on your 10:45 response to me? My mother worked in the 50s whenever she wanted. Good jobs too like office manager. Perhaps she wasn't typical
When I was a kid in the 60s I never imagined the world would be so fucked up 40 years later.
it's really tragic.
fourlegsgood
Me neither.
So... why is Bush selling nuclear weapons to India, again? Doesn't he know this will piss of Pakistan?!?
Bush is playing Shiva, The Destroyer. Quite well, I might add.
El Gato, I wish to sign up for the entire course. 
Yes. And also, pretty stupid.
Actually, he's really, really stupid.
it's really tragic.
fourlegsgood
Me neither.
Terry C, Coldplayer
ditto...
My mother worked in the 50s whenever she wanted. Good jobs too like office manager. Perhaps she wasn't typical
Draco
A lot of women worked in the 1950s.
The wingers would have us believe that real life was like those sitcoms back then.
Another thing is that women were stuck in bad marriages because (a) divorce was frowned upon back then; and (b) the women had no job skills.
I wouldn't want to go back there.
Joo peeples and jour troublesome deities... meh.
I keep telling joo that peeples should just go back to worshipping gatos.
Geeve me that ol' time religion, no?
so.
So if things continue to go downhill, where will we all be able to go?
Is there a sane place left on the planet?
Everyone knows that souls were created all at once in the Big Bang and can be neither created nor destroyed. They come and go from a developing fetus but don't take up permanent residence in the body usually till shortly before or after birth. The idea that abortion could somehow harm a nonmaterial soul is so ridiculous as to be laughable. Souls know when an abortion will take place and simply go elsewhere. So where's the problem?
JeffCO
Yes, this fact has been demonstrated repeatedly in the laboratory - the associated law of Physics is know as "Conservation of Pneuma"
Collapsed like a house of cards.
Yup, and the resulting backlash against the Catholic church turned Quebec into Canada's least religious province, by a considerable margin, as I recall.
That'd be nice in a way. Families could be supported by one breadwinner, without much debt
Draco
But that costs too much.
"Families" = many US families. And the cost was the economic subjugation of much of the world, including parts of the US.
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Surely I wasn't the only 12 year old cynic here.
This time the tailbone, and I can't sit for more than a few minutes, or have to sit in some odd twisted position.
Draco:
So sorry to hear that. Ooooh!
My mother worked in the 50s whenever she wanted. Good jobs too like office manager. Perhaps she wasn't typical
Draco
My mom worked as a secretary. She took classes for writing short-hand.
P O'Neill: How Dan met Campbell
In March 2004, Ms. Brown appeared in the crowd of journalists covering one of his [Senor's] daily news conferences. She was doing a story on Abu Ghraib prison for NBC
Now THAT's romantic...!
.
When I was a kid in the 60s I never imagined the world would be so fucked up 40 years later.
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Innat the truth. Not only are we not wearing jumpsuits and flying our cars to work, we got the tiniest-testicled, lamest-assed comic relief from those days running the fucking world.
I keep telling joo that peeples should just go back to worshipping gatos.
What?
Being hetero, I never stopped.
Yes, this fact has been demonstrated repeatedly in the laboratory - the associated law of Physics is know as "Conservation of Pneuma" -elkal
I'm constantly surprised no one ever brings it up. It's so obvious!
When I was a kid in the 60s I never imagined the world would be so fucked up 40 years later.
Sigh... When I was HAVING kids in my 20s I never imagined the world would be so fucked up just 20 years later. Seriously, had I known what we were heading for... hate to say it, but I really might have decided not to bring kids into this place.
Silleigh,
some reading material for joo.
so 
Doesn't our boy Bob Casey wan't to turn back the hands of time on abortion?
I should add that my mother did hiy the glass ceiling as office manager. More than oncem she was assigned a young male assistant on an executive track, and she had to train him to be promoted above her.
Having lived through Viet Nam, did any of us ever imagine that we would have to go through that again???
looking for a low tech way to make lambics.
lambics are as low tech as anything else, and it is the yeast that makes a beer a lambic or not.
Just make what you want to.
I'm really kind of freaked out by the Iran thing.
Bush has apparently figured out that he can't invade Iran by conventional means- so he thinks nuking the country is the solution?
I find that horrific beyond belief.
I keep telling joo that peeples should just go back to worshipping gatos.
==
Some of don't need to go back to it, we always have.
I should add that my mother did hit the glass ceiling as office manager. More than once, she was assigned a young male assistant on an executive track, and she had to train him to be promoted above her.
Draco
There you go.
I find that horrific beyond belief.
Greg Stillson wouldn't.
Sallyh.
Read about your airport experience this morning, and it made me Very Angry. Say the word, and I'll round up my posse of Scary Irish Bastids to go west and wreak some havoc in your name..
(I've had orthopedic surgery, and have a piece of metal in my hip. So I ALWAYS get hassled at the airport. But if one of those denzils tried to confiscate my reading material, swear to God, I'd bite their fucking ear off. I'd Van Gogh them!)
Seriously, had I known what we were heading for... hate to say it, but I really might have decided not to bring kids into this place.
Silleigh aka Furiousleigh
I'm always thankful I don't have kids. I feel sorry for many of you who do now.
Surely I wasn't the only 12 year old cynic here.
JeffCO
I was an early developer that way myself.
we got the tiniest-testicled, lamest-assed comic relief from those days running the fucking world.
mena
And a bunch of dumbasses just like him still supporting him.
Having lived through Viet Nam, did any of us ever imagine that we would have to go through that again???
I thought people would become more advanced- more knowledgeable.
It never occured to me that half of the country would descend into superstition and ignorance.
I keep telling joo that peeples should just go back to worshipping gatos
Not so much worshipping as being subserviant...I for one welcome our feline overlords.
I have no memories of seeing Vietnam footage on the news as a kid, but I have clear memories of watching the Watergate hearings when I was 9. My attitude has gone pretty much downhill from there.
El Gato, thank you! Just sent it to myself for later perusal.
I was looking for something else, but ran into this, Maybe it will help Jeffco, DWD writes, "
Once, in a time that is not now, but in a place that looks remarkably like the one we now inhabit; there lived a race of humans who aspired to become something more than they were: a race that believed that every individual’s actions were important actions, and that nothing in their live’s was more important than understanding themselves and their personal relationships to things both physical and spiritual.
To say that this idealism merely served as a substitute for our precious realism is to miss the point completely. For in their idealism — unlike that which is reported upon now — the emphasis was always on the individual. To these lost children, nothing was more important or sacred than the individual — certainly not the dictates of a misinformed government — nor even the prattlings of singular saber-rattlers who sought absolution through destruction and salvation from devastation — inconsequential personages of whom the passage of time has nearly eradicated from our memories. Even names like Joe Pyne or Carl McIntyre are lost in the mists that obscure our vision.
But, as in all stories, it is necessary to find a place to stand to look upon what transpired and to try to find some meaning from the overwhelming sadness that exudes from the era as if nothing was more important or consequential than the societal accepted definition of, “Sex, drugs, and rock and roll.”
I'm always thankful I don't have kids. I feel sorry for many of you who do now.
Me too.
Whether we want to admit it or not, American has changed, irrevocably, for the worse.
hate to say it, but I really might have decided not to bring kids into this place
It played a substantial role in my decision not to reproduce.
· Diversity, particularly linguistic and theological diversity, binds and unites a culture.
· Proportionate representation of races within a student body justifies corrective discrimination by race.
· All cultures are morally equivalent.
· Social justice may require unequal application of equal protection laws.
· The dearth of women in science screams gender bias; the dearth of men in nursing does not.
· Diversity promotes classroom learning -- except in English composition, for which foreign-born students must have their own section.
· Hate speech (racial, sexual and religious slurs) has no place on college campuses. Some words should never be spoken.
· No one should ever have to pay for health care -- or condoms.
Whether we want to admit it or not, American has changed, irrevocably, for the worse.
Everything is revocable.
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It played a substantial role in my decision not to reproduce.
Me too.
It never occured to me that half of the country would descend into superstition and ignorance.
fourlegsgood
Really, WTF happened? Some kind of backlash to the 60's?
/
Of course the wingers want the 50s back:
Gays back in the closet, minorities back to their "proper places."
Women kept pregnant every year, in the kitchen, poor, and seen but not heard.
Noooo thanks!
Terry C--Thanks for your concern. I bought some pain relievers today for my tailbone pain. I didn't realize how huge the damn things are--about the size of cut string beans.
I almost choked on them twice (Oh, the irony!), and have now taken to smashing them with a hammer.
Seriously, how fucked up is this?
There are people walking around in america who use laptops, and simultaneously believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
I'm always thankful I don't have kids. I feel sorry for many of you who do now.
Me too.
Cheez, guys. Que gloomy.
Did the sci-fi movie suck tonight?
Ô¿Ô, Believe in the children of your fellow Atriots. The world is always a struggle, but those kids will carry it on, and help their parents do so as well. And you, and me too. They're your hope.
Sileigh,
like to believe the wingers overstep when they make all women who get pregnant potential criminals.
Really, WTF happened? Some kind of backlash to the 60's?
What happened? fuck if I know- but I blame it on the rise of fundyism.
Remind me sometime if you are interested, and I am at my computer at home, I will post my sixtie's words. It helps to remember.
If politics was baseball and the Democratic Party was the American League would Russ Feingold be our DH?
It's only our future if we let it happen.
Oh, I see.
fansipido smells like la trollita posting strawmen from Leetle Green Sheetballs to see eef we have no problems weeth eet.
Ay, la trollita, as Esteban Simels would say, were he born a spanish gato:
Chupame mi pollo
again.
so.
Agave, some people will NEVER get over the 60s. Even people who were barely alive or not alive then. I think a lot of it is backlash.
I have no memories of seeing Vietnam footage on the news as a kid
==
I do, and I remember having the Domino Theory explained to me. It was not long after I had asked about why spies were a big deal, and had been made to understand the importance of Nationalism and secrets. It began to coalesce into a notion that the People In Charge were not so bright.
Draco:
I took a fall down the stairs a few years back and hurt that area.
NOT pleasant.
If politics was baseball and the Democratic Party was the American League would Russ Feingold be our DH?
I am NOT supporting a party that uses the DH.
Cheez, guys. Que gloomy.
Yep.
Feingold would be Derek Jeter
who homered in the first against the LA Angels from Anaheim
Agave, some people will NEVER get over the 60s. Even people who were barely alive or not alive then. I think a lot of it is backlash.
Silleigh aka Furiousleigh
Because, you know, we Boomers did terrible things like work for civil, women's and gay rights.
" fansipido"
Gotta watch out for chafing when you hump those strawmen, friend.
Cheez, guys. Que gloomy.
It's all Sy Hersch's fault.
If we drop tactical nukes on another country, I don't think there is any going back.
I'm always thankful I don't have kids. I feel sorry for many of you who do now.
Although there are many people who I think make good decisions not to have kids, I've known plenty such people who would have been great parents. It's way more important to pass on the values than the genes, something the fundies have all over us. I think it's far more likely for loving and generous parents who instill in their kids a thirst for social justice to raise the kids who may keep us from going over the edge.
It's only our future if we let it happen.
That smacks of "creating out own reality".
Anyway, you really don't want me to go off on a tangent involving self-organizing systems.
JeffCO | 04.08.06 - 10:58 pm |
When the Watergate hearings were being televised, the local newspaper was filler with angry letters from game show and soap opera fans outraged their shows were being pre-empted.
I'n my favorite, "Will we ever know the father of Jessica's baby?"
Nice & cosy between the media & repukes at the senor-brown wedding.
Cheez, guys. Que gloomy.
Yep.
mr hostess
I'm not sorry I had my two kids.
I had to practically beg my self-centered asshole of an ex to have them, but they're the two best things I got out of that marriage.
And my kids hate Bush as much as I do!
i was the anonymous...touting jeter.....damn haloscan
There are people walking around in america who use laptops, and simultaneously believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
fourlegsgood
The fault lies not in their laptops, but in themselves, that they are underlings.
Admittedly, their laptop probably contains a bookmark for some place that provides a guide to the Stars of Armageddon.
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Cheez, guys. Que gloomy.
Sorry, Thers. I usually hesitate to express that particular thought here. Hell, I hesitate to think it, a lot of the time.
No, these people were around in the sixties. A lot of the present junta were members and officers of something called Young Americans for Freedom (YAFFERS) They were a hateful and marginalized group at that time. They grew up to own the media. . . .
It's way more important to pass on the values than the genes,
Adopt, become a teacher, subvert your neighbour's kids.
You don't have to add to the environmental burden to pass on the values.
If these nutters ever gain the power here I'm going to start a movement which readopts the medieval idea that sperm is really a full human being and that the uterus is just a grazing field for it. Then the souling happens in the testicles and the people who won't get prostate surgery for cancer will rise up and stop the silly games.
Echidne of the snakes
Plus, masturbation will be a capital offense for males. That will certainly put the trolls out of business.
One thing I have commited to is using resources I have because I'm not raising kids to make sure my nieces and nephews have all the educational opportunities they may want to further their chances of success.
Speaking of Armageddon, CNN just covered Hersh's Bomb Iran article in their headlines.
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I have no memories of seeing Vietnam footage on the news as a kid
I do.
Another thing I thought when I was a kid- that somehow mankind would work to outlaw poverty.
How silly was that? the world is more brutal and dangerous than ever. Misery abounds.
Just a reminder from a thread about this the other day.
"Ectopic pregnancy is a high-risk condition that occurs in 1.9 percent of reported pregnancies."
http://tinyurl.com/judom
The treatment is very straightforward: "Early treatment of an ectopic pregnancy with the drug methotrexate has proven to be a viable alternative to surgical treatment since 1993. If administered early in the pregnancy, methotrexate can disrupt the growth of the developing embryo causing the cessation of pregnancy." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy)
Except if you are a batshit fundy wacko, or are unlucky to live in a theocracy ruled by them. Then you go through an excruciatingly painful time accompanied by the high risk of trauma and death. [The embryo/fetus dies no matter what you do.]
One in fifty pregnancies...
When the Watergate hearings were being televised, the local newspaper was filler with angry letters from game show and soap opera fans outraged their shows were being pre-empted.
Oh, I remember that.
I was about 19 or 20 and I thought those people were idiots.
And a bunch of dumbasses just like him still supporting him.
Would anyone who grew up in 1970's have thought that the likes of Bob Woodward would sell his soul for this fucking piece of shit of a President? The folks in the media have seen this incompetent idiot up close. They know exactly what a disaster he is. Yet most of the MSM still carries his water. It's completely insane.
Evening all.
Have I missed anything irksome since
earlier tonight?b
Eet can chupame mi pollo.
No idea what that actually means, but it sounds so filthy I'd like to learn to pronounce it.
Silleigh aka Furiousleigh
"It can suck my chicken"?
CuntaLeeza is Secretary of State because Chimpy thinks she gives good head (must be that gap between her teeth).
Terry C, Coldplayer | 04.08.06 - 12:21 pm | #
That is all we need to know about Terry C. What a miserable excuse for a human being.
Ahhh, reminds of my days as a little godling... I used to sing "I'm a celestial teapot, infinite and stout!"
elkal
Ahh I still do. Naked, during the noon hour & during full moons.
Plus, masturbation will be a capital offense for males. That will certainly put the trolls out of business.
Buzz Bomb
Like my asshole stalker on the last thread who was so concerned with MY social life.
Ahhh, reminds of my days as a little godling... I used to sing "I'm a celestial teapot, infinite and stout!"
elkal
Ahh I still do. Naked, during the noon hour & during full moons.
The fault lies not in their laptops, but in themselves, that they are underlings.
Admittedly, their laptop probably contains a bookmark for some place that provides a guide to the Stars of Armageddon.
My point is that they're dumb as rocks. They accept technology, but doubt carbon datiing.
Have I missed anything irksome since
earlier tonight?
steve simels
Well, there is good news.
Kunt Hovind had a ruler taken to his pee-pee.
Greg Stillson wouldn't. -mr hostess
Love the Dead Zone series, maybe more than the film, though not quite as much as Walken's riff on SNL as the guy who could foresee minor inconveniences for people, like spilling their coffee.
CuntaLeeza is Secretary of State because Chimpy thinks she gives good head (must be that gap between her teeth).
Terry C, Coldplayer | 04.08.06 - 12:21 pm | #
That is all we need to know about Terry C. What a miserable excuse for a human being.
| 04.08.06 - 11:09 pm
Mine is a majority opinion, chickenshit.
Sorry, Thers. I usually hesitate to express that particular thought here. Hell, I hesitate to think it, a lot of the time.
It's OK. Sometimes when the 1-Year-Old leaves a wet Tootsie Roll chunk on the carpet, I feel the same way.
Ever stepped on a wet Tootsie Roll in bare feet. Yecccch.
By the way, I sometimes like how eccentric TCM can be. Tonight is Steven McNally night--4 movies. Unless you're a hardcore fan of villain character actors, you might not even know who he is.
I await Neville Brand night
What seems sadly missing is the expectation that the world will be a better place because of our efforts. I have feared for years that the rational elements of our society would be forced into enclaves like they were in the Middle Ages.
Yet most of the MSM still carries his water. It's completely insane.
It is.
Well, I'm going to take my gloomy self off to the couch and watch a movie.
George W. Bush is our 44th Greatest President.
Now, before you start correcting me: I have Gore at 9th.
Have I missed anything irksome since
earlier tonight?
Just a little chicken-sucking. In spanish...
dan senor = evil voice of the GOP operatives who were sent to Iraq to push the political meme and ensure that the story didnt get told.
They are the same folks who intimidated the Palm Beach election board in 2000 December.
That a reporter would wed a thing like that must indicate a lack of ethics and journalistic standards.
By the way, I sometimes like how eccentric TCM can be. Tonight is Steven
McNally night--4 movies. Unless you're a hardcore fan of villain character actors,
you might not even know who he is.
I await Neville Brand night
Draco | 04.08.06 - 11:10 pm | #
Neville Brand?
Fuck him -- Jack Elam!!!!!!!
I think it's far more likely for loving and generous parents who instill in their kids a thirst for social justice to raise the kids who may keep us from going over the edge.
Hope you're right. ...I just hate having brought mine into a world that now requires such extensive repairs.
There are the people like those you describe above -- and then there are the, oh, what the fuck is their name, the family with umpty-ump kids whose names all begin with J. I'm afraid we're being outnumbered by children poorly raised by cretins.
Gahh.
Why is Kevin Sorbo on my teevee?
The Stones never stop selling out, do they?
Terry C, Coldplayer
I no longer pay any attention to their continuing existence.
My point is that they're dumb as rocks. They accept technology, but doubt carbon datiing.
fourlegsgood
Anyone see the SOpranos last week when the fundies came into Tony's room and started the BS about the earth only being 6,000 years old.
And how Viagra is okay, because "God LOVES procreation."
My daughter said that guy was probably more fun when he was still addicted to booze and strippers.
Ever stepped on a wet Tootsie Roll in bare feet. Yecccch.
Thers, Paterfamilias
Hmmm... I get an image of Humphrey Bogart wading through the reeds... "Tootsie Rolls! Ugh!! Nasty, filthy little creatures!!!"
Ever stepped on a wet Tootsie Roll in bare feet. Yecccch.
Thers, Paterfamilias
Heyyy! That's not a Tootsie Roll!!
I await Neville Brand night
Draco
Maybe if we burn those portraits...
A lot of the present junta were members and officers of something called Young Americans for Freedom (YAFFERS) They were a hateful and marginalized group at that time. They grew up to own the media.
There it is.
In service to the filthy rich.
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You know what's irksome? chimpy is still president.
You would then ask questions very different from the sociological ones: How have these young men slipped into depravity? Why have they not developed sufficient character to restrain their baser impulses?
Yo, BoBo:
I give you the worthless sack of pigshit that is the fratboy coward.
There seems to be an issue with my keyboard. That comment was supposed to be attached to the Rolling Stones
..though not quite as much as Walken's riff on SNL as the guy who could foresee minor inconveniences for people, like spilling their coffee.
Walken is God, AFAIC. He's one talented mofo.
Fucking damn these people. Abortion is not an "easy fix". Thhis is a myth like the Caddy-driving welfare mother.
Anyone - everyone - who has ever had an abortion knows how difficult a decision and how horrible a procedure it is to go through.
Let everyone meet their god and/or their conscience as they may.
It's no one else's fucking business.
This just god-damned infuriates me!!!
God, I hate people.
Fuck him -- Jack Elam!!!!!!!
steve simels
The eyebrows have it. Singular, that is.
Anyone see the SOpranos last week when the fundies came into Tony's room and started the BS about the earth only being 6,000 years old.
I'm sick of fundies.
Sick to death of them.
Would anyone who grew up in 1970's have thought that the likes of Bob Woodward would sell his soul for this fucking piece of shit of a President? The folks in the media have seen this incompetent idiot up close. They know exactly what a disaster he is. Yet most of the MSM still carries his water. It's completely insane.
Richard
I'm so old I can remember when the media helped end the reign of a crooked president.
Now they work to keep one in power.
My point is that they're dumb as rocks. They accept technology, but doubt carbon datiing.
There' a lot of evidence that the most reactionary movements tend to adapt quite quickly to new technology.
Ever stepped on a wet Tootsie Roll in bare feet.
Hey you kids, STAY OUT OF THE CATBOX!!!
Walken is God, AFAIC. He's one talented mofo.
mr hostess
The first time I ever saw him was in "Annie Hall" in 1975.
He was great then.
Cloistered is the word that I was searching my old brain for. Is this our future, those with intelligence and insight relagated to small cloisters keeping the faith that humans are capable of more?
Ever stepped on a wet Tootsie Roll in bare feet. Yecccch.
Rather like stepping on a freshly yakked hairball. Yecccch is the word, my friend.
Lucky for me, the kids stopped spitting out their Tootsie Rolls when they were, oh, 15 or so. (They're good liberals.)
Have I missed anything irksome since
earlier tonight?
steve simels
my ruben's so messy I'm having to use a knife & fork.
" lot of the present junta were members and officers of something called Young Americans for Freedom (YAFFERS)"
Freedom for who?
Rich white male fascists?
Fuck him -- Jack Elam!!!!!!!
==
Aww. Sidekick of a Million Westerns!
I'm sick of fundies.
Ramen
There' a lot of evidence that the most reactionary movements tend to adapt quite quickly to new technology.
Thers, Paterfamilias
Yes, little know fact, but the Luddites were pioneers in the field of "blast faxing"
WALKEN FOR PRESIDENT 2008.
"All the President's Men" on PBS.
"It was a Cheney operation--the whole business. He ran the money, but he was insulated. You'll have to find out how. It involves the entire U.S. intelligence community: FBI, CIA, Justice."
President Bush will be giving a speech on the war in Iraq on Monday. I know that won't impress the left wing bomb throwers but some of us do appreciate his efforts to explain, to reassure , to inspire with these direct from the heart speeches. I'm sure he will open the mikes to any and all questions afterward, even the Bush haters are free to spew their usual rude verbal assaults. That's what makes this a great country.
There' a lot of evidence that the most reactionary movements tend to adapt quite quickly to new technology.
Thers
That's becausee those with little capacity for abstraction or self-reflection are easily attracted to shiny things.
Hope you're right. ...I just hate having brought mine into a world that now requires such extensive repairs.
The stakes are higher but so are the opportunities. When was the era when the world was not fucked for 90-something percent of the population? Sheeee-it... at least we don't have to fight the dinosaurs for food anymore.
It's far easier for me to believe that this planet just suddenly popped into existence 6,000 years ago complete with 16,000 year old cave paintings, that it is for me to believe that Shrub exudes "sunny nobility".
Yo, BoBo:
I give you the worthless sack of pigshit that is the fratboy coward.
Apprentice to Darth Tigerous
And BoBo can KEEP him....lock him up someplace where he can't fuck anything else up.
at least we don't have to fight the dinosaurs for food anymore.
JeffCO
We never did
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at least we don't have to fight the dinosaurs for food anymore.
JeffCO
We never did
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Walken is God, AFAIC. He's one talented mofo.
I went to grammar school with his nephew. Who was just some kid, really.
Nukes
The Hiroshima weapon had a yield of 20 KILO tons. We'd likely be dropping a 5 MEGA ton bomb on Iran.
That's becausee those with little capacity for abstraction or self-reflection are easily attracted to shiny things.
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I happen to like crows.
Collapsed like a house of cards.
Yup, and the resulting backlash against the Catholic church turned Quebec into Canada's least religious province, by a considerable margin, as I recall.
Richard
How do we get something like that going here?
Resident Bush will be giving a speech on the war in Iraq on Monday
The same speech he's been giving for the last three years.
Yes, we know. The one Rove programmed into him...where he says "September the 11th" 150 times.
Ever stepped on a wet Tootsie Roll in bare feet. Yecccch.
I have two large dogs, I never get to go barefoot.
Come to think of it, I think they'd be happy to kill off most women.
Sallyh, Madame Poissonniere
They can't.
Where would they get more Repugs from?
Terry C, Coldplayer
Same place everyone else does. Kick over a rock.
My point is that they're dumb as rocks. They accept technology, but doubt carbon datiing.
There' a lot of evidence that the most reactionary movements tend to adapt quite quickly to new technology.
Thers, Paterfamilias
But their reactionariness blossoms forth if you attempt to apply that technology against their cherished beliefs. Science is only wonderful to the extent it doesn't interfere with The Word According to Whoever The Fuck.
That's becausee those with little capacity for abstraction or self-reflection are easily attracted to shiny things.
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I happen to like crows.
mena
Aren't magpies into shiny things, too?
The birds on the Windex commercials are magpies.
I happen to like crows.
"Caw!"
"Soaring Pathetic Eagle" - troll:
Even as parody, YOU SUCK!
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Left wing bomb throwers. What fucking gall.
at least we don't have to fight the dinosaurs for food anymore.
JeffCO
The cavemen rode them to church.
I'm sure he will open the mikes to any and all questions afterward,
even the Bush haters are free to spew their usual rude verbal assaults. That's
what makes this a great country.
Soaring Patriotic Eagle | 04.08.06 - 11:18 pm | #
Assuming you're not a parody....
go fuck yourself!
"Caw!"
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Caw, caw! We're just chillin.
Walken is God, AFAIC. He's one talented mofo. -mr hostess
If he had not done so already, he would have had me at the Fatboy Slim Weapon of Choice video, which those in need of good cheer may access here. (They even have dialup-friendly versions.) You cannot watch that and stay astride your bummer.
No, these people were around in the sixties. A lot of the present junta were members and officers of something called Young Americans for Freedom (YAFFERS) They were a hateful and marginalized group at that time. They grew up to own the media. . . .
DWD - Challenger
Much of what Bushco is doing right now is their revenge. I don't know if Karl Rove was a member, but I'm convinced that what motivates him is the continuous rage he feels at having not been one of the "cool kids" when he was in school. (And since most of the cool kids were lefties in those days...)
Hmph. Nothin' wrong with some pretty shiny things.
LONDON - A 300-year-old book that appears to be bound in human skin has been found in northern England, police said Saturday.
yikes, i only checked out Nim's link because i know he's giddy with the excitement of pending nuptials. thought it might be upbeat. surprise me.
This has been a very gloomy day in news and topics to blog about.
Gotta crash. It's been a crazy few days. Sorry for the gloom I brought this thread, but damn -- you guys still never fail to pick up my spirits. (I went back tonight and read the Modest Proposal thread, and that was the best reading I've done in awhile.)
Adore y'all. Draco, I dunno what you did to your tailbone, but feel better soon. Sleep well, all, when the time comes.
Except for all you fucking trolls, who can go ::ahem, clears throat:: Choo-pah-may mee poy-yoh.
Another thing I thought when I was a kid- that somehow mankind would work to outlaw poverty.
How silly was that? the world is more brutal and dangerous than ever. Misery abounds.
There are people, depraved, sociopathic people, who cannot enjoy their prosperity unless they know that others are living in abject poverty.
They're running this sick society of ours.
We have more than enough resources to insure that EVERYONE in this country, all 300+ million, can have a roof over their head, adequate clothing, three squares a day, and basic preventative health care.
The problem is we lack the political will to allocate our resources to do this.
Caw, caw! We're just chillin.
I had a pet crow when I was a kid, smarter than any other critter I've ever seen.
That's what makes this a great country.
It hasn't been a great country since Prince Fuckwit was handed the White House in 2000.
He's turning it into a third world nation.
I'm sure he will open the mikes to any and all questions afterward, even the Bush haters are free to spew their usual rude verbal assaults. That's what makes this a great country.
Soaring Patriotic Eagle
Gotta tell ya, you're fucked.
mena, I love crows, too. I feed them, They come flying up on my fence, and request peanuts. I do not ask them to humilate themselves by begging (nor do any of "my" critters. I freely give, they freely take.)
I do love them, each and every one!
Watching All The Presdent's Men tonight on NYC public TV, Ch13--and they are so nernous they bleeped "tit" in the famous line about Mrs. Graham.
New York City, folks, New York City! After 10PM! So nervous they can't include a line actually said by a former AG of the US.
Later on, a whole line was bleeped at a crucial moment in the film.
Sheesh. New York City.
We have more than enough resources to insure that EVERYONE in this country, all 300+ million, can have a roof over their head, adequate clothing, three squares a day, and basic preventative health care.
Apprentice to Darth Tig
Oh, but that's for WARS and tax cuts for the rich.
Draco, I'm not sure what the matter is with your tailbone but a very hot bath might be nice for the pain.
Assuming you're not a parody....
go fuck yourself!
steve simels
Parody with no sense of humor, which is a fucked up combination.
Assuming you're not a parody....
Even so. Not funny or clever. Even for you or anyone else here.
,
Goodnight Silleigh. I hope all is well with you and the Fella.
Left wing bomb throwers. What fucking gall.
Sidhra
I've set many a trip wire.
Terry C, Coldplayer | 04.08.06 - 11:15 pm | #
Walken was certainly great as crazy Duane in Annie Hall--he had the dead-eyed stare down pat with his suicidal car crash fantasy, which he seemed to think was commonplace.
What cracks me up about Walken is that he started out as a song and dance gut, though somehow he's never prospered in musical comedy (I'm a fan of Pennies from Heaven).
I remember J. Hoberman in the Village Voice describing Walken in some indie movie, an update of Macbeth set in modern PA. I forget the title. "Walken strides into the movie with the confidence of knowing his antics have sunk sturdier vessels than this."
audio of Rachel Maddow's interview with Hitt
http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/34576/
Forensic Vagina Specialist (audio)
When abortion is criminalized...
This Sunday's New York Times Magazine cover story will be a profile of a nation 8 years into the complete and total criminalization of abortion. No rape clause, no life of the mother clause. Nothing.
Air America's Rachel Maddow (if you don't listen to her you don't know what you're missing) interviews one of my favorite journalists Jack Hitt on his cover story (click orange buttons to listen or download).
What you find is a nation in a near-Handmaid's Tale dystopia where a mother of three is imprisoned for 30 years, where a woman must wait until her ectopic pregnancy bursts in her fallopian tubes to get surgery, where the mother of a pregnant woman can be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to her daughter before, during or after an illegal abortion.
This has been a very gloomy day in news and topics to blog about.
Echidne of the snakes
yup.
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I'd love to see a movie done with all the "off beat" actors:
Walker, Depp, Steve Buscemi....
LONDON - A 300-year-old book that appears to be bound in human skin has been found in northern England, police said Saturday.
I read someplace that was common back then.
Sorry, WALKEN, not Walker
Echidne--A hot bath means sitting down in the tub--Ouch! Maybe if assumed some crab position in the tub....
Fantastic WATERGATE documentary on
PBS Frontline right now....
Boy, does it seem reminiscent of
shit how....
CuntaLeeza is Secretary of State because Chimpy thinks she gives good head (must be that gap between her teeth).
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That is all we need to know about Terry C. What a miserable excuse for a human being.
| 04.08.06 - 11:09 pm
What don't you agree with in that assessment of Rice's qualifications?
You actually believe the CondiLiar is SOS because she plays the piano good?
Crows hang all over the school I teach at - the kids leave them plenty. I know it sounds nuts, but we "caw" all the time. They are indeed smart and individualistic, I like them a lot.
I'm really kind of freaked out by the Iran thing.
oh yeah. NUKES are bad.
guess he figured if you can't get democracy at a gunpoint, go to plan B.
fuckwit.
(And since most of the cool kids were lefties in those days...)
and rove was, is, and always will be the ugliest, pasty white pig fucker alive...
The cavemen rode them to church.
Terry C, Coldplayer
And proselytized to them endlessly, all the way, driving them to distraction and drink. Wasn't any Beryllium asteroid killed the dinos.
Christopher Walken is in one of my all time favorite videos, Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...n%20of%
20choice
What you find is a nation in a near-Handmaid's Tale dystopia where a mother of three is imprisoned for 30 years, where a woman must wait until her ectopic pregnancy bursts in her fallopian tubes to get surgery, where the mother of a pregnant woman can be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to her daughter before, during or after an illegal abortion.
I always said these fuckers were using "A Handmaid's Tale" as a training manual.
Oh hell, read it and weep.
This is the problem, chillen.
http://www.yaf.com/
And I still don't have my flying car.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
new...2125630,00.html
snip
According to the sources, an official investigation believes Adam Maiga Zakariaou, the consul, and Laura Montini, the ambassador’s assistant, known as La Signora, forged the papers for money.
They allegedly concocted their scheme as reports reached western intelligence agencies, including MI6, that Saddam Hussein had been trying to buy uranium ore, known as yellowcake, from Niger. The agencies had no evidence he had succeeded. The pair are alleged to have copied a real contract to look like an agreement with Iraq under which Niger would supply Saddam with 500 tons of yellowcake.
The story of the fake deal had begun with a meeting in a Rome bar in February 2000 set up by Antonio Nucera, an officer in the Sismi, the Italian intelligence agency, between two of his former agents, Rocco Martino and Montini.
etc.
Previewed by http://www.rawstory.com/
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Executive Mansion, Washington, Nov. 21, 1864
Dear Madam,
I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.
I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.
I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom. Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,
Abraham Lincoln
charley - I have the feeling w has the same plan B for pretty much any situation. He's kind of a limited guy.
I read someplace that was common back then.
Ô¿Ô
that's what it said in Nim's link too.
and rove was, is, and always will be the ugliest, pasty white pig fucker alive...
I wish he'd chock on his own doublechin.
"you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle."
How criminal that someone has to lose that many children.
I remember J. Hoberman in the Village Voice describing Walken in some indie movie, an update of Macbeth set in modern PA. I forget the title.
Scotland, PA
Wasn't any Beryllium asteroid killed the dinos.
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Fundies bored the dinosaurs to death!
George III just likes to blow shit up. Frogs, cities, countries, stuff. And then he chuckles about it. What a great guy to have a beer with.
SNL
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I read someplace that was common back then.
Ô¿Ô
Waste not, want not.
I wonder though, what gave it away? The "Mother" tatoo on the back? Nipples? Belly button?
and rove was, is, and always will be the ugliest, pasty white pig fucker alive...
charley
I'll bet he got a lot of ass-whoopin's as a kid.
Channel hopping last night and saw him on CSpam.
EEEEEEEyuk!
Night, all!!!!!
The Lincoln quote was from me.
What's the deal with Peter Gabriel selling Solsbury Hill to AT&T?
SNL
Omygoodness.
Remember that Steely Dan song? the lyrics went "what a beautiful world this will be" (or was it Donald Fagen solo?) singing about the future...
I heard it in the car on the way to work a few weeks ago and it made me sad. Things are getting way worse, not better.
I always said these fuckers were using "A Handmaid's Tale" as a training manual.
Me too. Evil bastards.
SNL
Build a wall on the border with Mexico using Mexican labor. Brilliant.
What's the deal with Peter Gabriel selling Solsbury Hill to AT&T?
Unrepentant Fenian
Is Peter Gabriel the rights holder?
Because if not then he didn't.
Build a wall on the border with Mexico using Mexican labor. Brilliant.
I just assumed that's what they'd propose to do anyway, because, after all, Americans won't do those jobs. Not even for $50/hour.
OK, SNL is now officially pissing me off with the McKinney Bullshit.
bonsoir
SNL are really bad at fake news these days. Who do they think they are? The Daily Show???
According to the sources, an official investigation believes Adam Maiga Zakariaou, the consul, and Laura Montini, the ambassador’s assistant, known as La Signora, forged the papers for money.
Just remember, this is an official Italian gov't "investigation", and have supply of salt at hand.
So how many miles is the Mexican border with the US anyways? 1000 miles? Anyone that says a wall can be built is a grade A moron.
Build a wall on the border with Mexico using Mexican labor. Brilliant.
Unrepentant Fenian
TDS did the same joke monday or tuesday...
4Legs--trying to think of the song. Steely Dan's a great band. Always appreciated their cynicism. Although not nearly as much as I appreciate Mr. Plushy.
What vileness.
If those wackos ever manage to do something like that here, we'll really have no option left but to dissolve the government and build a new one from scratch.
If the oceans didn't keep us safe how will walls do it? Silly buggers.
Sidhra--maybe we can ship Georgie some of that Pabst shit they sell in Utah.
Myself, I'd rather drink cat piss.
OK, SNL is now officially pissing me off with the McKinney Bullshit.
mr hostess
Missed that.
The Chineese blind Masters almost made my smile.
Late nite sage rubbed thick pork chops, anyone?
With rice?
Melissa is not hungry, she eats on the job.
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See? In 1971 biggest peace march ever in D.C. Nixon says through his press secretary that he's not paying attention, but he is. He's getting updates every 1/2 hour. Then, voila! he marries off Tricia and dances on teevee.
I have said this before ... if things get much worse for Fredo, we'll see it: "A Very Special White House Wedding."
The only questions is: which slut will he marry off first?
Steely Dan is one my all-time favorite bands.
No one sounds like DOnald Fagen.
Ya'll can call me tex, Kotex
I am a badger and proud to be
I hate anyone who is not like me
I was born rich and you were not
So what do you want? An equal shot?
Ain't gonna happen, not in my life.
Stay home and away from the strife.
Build a wall? No problem at all
We'll keep em all there in their place
And it really has nothing to do with race.
I don't hate the Mexicans I like em fine
Just stay where you are, below that line
I have said this before ... if things get much worse for Fredo, we'll see it: "A Very Special White House Wedding."
The only questions is: which slut will he marry off first?
res ipsa loquitur
They're both dating Repug dorks.
Draco--if you can get some Eucalyptus bath salts (the Masada brand rocks), grab some. I gave some to my son in law for his back problems and he swears by them.
What's the deal with Peter Gabriel selling Solsbury Hill to AT&T?
Unrepentant Fenian
What the hell - WWE used "Big Time" for WrestleMania last week.
What's the deal with Peter Gabriel selling Solsbury Hill to AT&T?
Unrepentant Fenian
Does he own it? Look at John Fogarty and CCR, with that asshole manager of theirs. Or Jacko owning all the Beatles stuff. TANJ!
The only questions is: which slut will he marry off first?
Whichever one gets knocked up first. My money's on Jenna.
I heard it in the car on the way to work a few weeks ago and it made me sad. Things are getting way worse, not better.
fourlegsgood
I feel the same way listening to those songs that seemed so upbeat about the future when I look around at how things are now. I can't listen to them anymore.
The only questions is: which slut will he marry off first?
Jenna is the straight one, so I'd put my dollars on her.
But not literally.
My guess is IGY from Donald Fagan's The Nightfly:
Standing tough under stars and stripes
We can tell
This dream's in sight
You've got to admit it
At this point in time that it's clear
The future looks bright
On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
Well by seventy-six we'll be A.O.K.
What a beautiful world this will be
What a glorious time to be free
Steely Dan is one my all-time favorite bands.
Word. I've been nigh inconsolable since I lost my copy of "Can't Buy a Thrill" during the move.
El Gato Negro--we neverrrr stopped worrsheepeeng the gatos heere at Eschaton, no.
So.
simels was right -- This "Frontline" on Watergate is not glamorous for a Saturday PM, but it sure is fascinating.
I have said this before ... if things get much worse for Fredo, we'll see it: "A Very Special White House Wedding."
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It's hard to imagine just how awful that would be
Does he own it? Look at John Fogarty and CCR, with that asshole manager of theirs. Or Jacko owning all the Beatles stuff. TANJ!
Elmer, PHD
You had the DMCA rammed up your ass to "comply with the WPPT".
Well, part of that compliance would also involve "author's inalienable rights".
Needless to say the rights-holders are not in a hurry to implement *that*.
Sallyh, how are you doing tonight?
Word. I've been nigh inconsolable since I lost my copy of "Can't Buy a Thrill" during the move.
I cried when I wrote this song,
Sue me if I play too long...
Must say - and it has been said so, so many times: any inmstance in which the rights of women are suborned to the "greater good" of HUmanity is no such thing.
To accept that would be to accept and agree that women are not part of Humanity.
Either we all rise, or we all fall.
The female vs male "rights" is probably the most effective divide and conquer trick, ever.
SD
Watching a show on A&E where this woman is killed by her ex-boyfriend at her wedding.
The whole thing is on video.
The way this scumbag's defense attorneys are trashing the murder victim is beyond disgusting.
I love how some guys think they OWN women!
San Diego to Brownsville - 1554.63 miles, driving.
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Sallyh--Thanks for your advice--I always seem to be presenting some new problem around here.
Terry C--I always wish I had perfect pitch, but rarely more than when listening to Steely Dan. They're up to something with their jazz harmonies applied to rock, and with the cleverest studio musicians around. But I'm not quite sure what
It's hard to imagine just how awful that would be
There will be a reality show: "Choose Jenna's dress!"
And another one: "Live from Jenna's bridal shower!"
And a third: "Intimate Portrait: The First Lady speaks with her daughter about wifely duties."
I cried when I wrote this song,
Sue me if I play too long...
res ipsa loquitur
This brother is free.........
MY favorite Steely Dan song.
"Deacon Blues."
And a third: "Intimate Portrait: The First Lady speaks with her daughter about wifely duties."
res ipsa loquitur
Two words: Betty Bowers
My guess is IGY from Donald Fagan's The Nightfly
Yep, that's the song. July 1, 1957, to December 31, 1958 was the International Geophysical Year. A time of optimism, or so I'm told by those who were alive then.
And a third: "Intimate Portrait: The First Lady speaks with her daughter about wifely duties."
res ipsa loquitur
Maybe when they talk sex, Pickles will learn a thing or two.
I'm always thankful I don't have kids. I feel sorry for many of you who do now.
I do what I do because I have kids.
RIL - and the suppressing of all the unauthorized bachelorette party photos....
I love how some guys think they OWN women! -Terry C
To be fair they're only off by one letter; sub an E for that N and you're set!
I had a car accident because of WalMart today. I was trying to convince myself in the car that it was ok to go there to purchase something only available there ( and i tried everywhere to find it elsewhere). So i crashed in the car in front of me at a stop sign. Damn Wal-merde(as we call it in Québec) !!! I knew it's a evil corporation. Never again!
The only questions is: which slut will he marry off first?
Laura? He is that clueless.
From the Hersh article...
"He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.”"
If this is an accurate account, I think what we have in Bush is someone who desperately fears that he will be judged by history as a failure if Iraq is all he has as "his legacy". As it stands now, he doesn't stand up very well even up to his old man, who was also a presidential failure. I think Iran would be just another attempt by the fratboy war president to prove he's got a dick bigger than his dad.
"Drink Scotch Whiskey all night long
And die behind the wheel
They have a name for the winners of the world
I want a name when I lose
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide,
Just call me Deacon Blues."
The Sex Pickles!
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this is good - from WaPo:
A 'Concerted Effort' to Discredit Bush Critic
Prosecutor Describes Cheney, Libby as Key Voices Pitching Iraq-Niger Story
By Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer
As he drew back the curtain this week on the evidence against Vice President Cheney's former top aide, Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald for the first time described a "concerted action" by "multiple people in the White House" -- using classified information -- to "discredit, punish or seek revenge against" a critic of President Bush's war in Iraq.
Bluntly and repeatedly, Fitzgerald placed Cheney at the center of that campaign. Citing grand jury testimony from the vice president's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald fingered Cheney as the first to voice a line of attack that at least three White House officials would soon deploy against former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.
Because if not then he didn't.
JR
It's a sad day when you hear a great song that you love used for a comercial.
I remember reading an article by Paul McCartney after Michael Jackson bought his catalog and he said that he and Lennon din't write those songs to sell Cornflakes.
Also, as long as John Densmore is alive you will not be hearing any Doors songs used for commercials. Cadillac wanted to use "Break On Through" for their commercials and Ray Manzerick said yes an Densmore said no. Densmore is the only Door member who sill not sell out. Way to go John.
Doug--I'm fine. Spent some time today writing up my experience yesterday so that I can be certain I will leave nothing out.
Three days left for pre-sales (signed copies and free shipping) If you are interested in supporting the alternative publishing industry, please click my homepage.
I do what I do because I have kids.
This is a strange way to be radicalized. You, know sooner or later, you'll be leaving this earth, but when you think of your kids and (possible in my case) grandkids, it makes you worry about the direction things are going.
MY favorite Steely Dan song.
"Deacon Blues."
Terry C, Coldplayer
To pick just one would be tough! But I like "Any Major Dude Will Tell You" and "Dirty Work."
Terry C--I always wish I had perfect pitch, but rarely more than when listening to Steely Dan. They're up to something with their jazz harmonies applied to rock, and with the cleverest studio musicians around. But I'm not quite sure what
Draco
"Throw out your gold teeth
And see how they roll."
iSteely Dan is one my all-time favorite bands.
"Any Major Dude" could quite possibly be the best song written in the past 35 years.
That news from Hersch really has me freaking depressed but not surprised. We knew it was coming and now it's here to deal with.
I like "Any Major Dude Will Tell You" and "Dirty Work."
Buzz Bomb
Oooh, I do love both of those, too!
PlumP, hope you are not injured. Did the cop write Wal-Mart a ticket?
Arnold Palmer says the Golf Course Superintendants Association is the most important entity we have in golf.
So how many miles is the Mexican border with the US anyways? 1000 miles? Anyone that says a wall can be built is a grade A moron.
Unrepentant Fenian
BUILD THAT WALL!
(the anti Regean, or not?)
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I've got History Channel on in the background, and it's about any Kennedy assassinantion theories apply.
There were some Soviet docs declassified in the late 80s. When Oswald worked at the Soviet TV factory, his best friend was of course an assigned KGB guy. They were part of a hunting club. Oswald could never hit anything.
One day Oswald and his KGB friend went out and the KGB guy shot a rabbit. He offered the rabbit to Oswald, saying "Let's tell everyone you shot this, and they won't make such fun of you anymore."
That news from Hersch
what news?
The Sex Pickles!
Betty Bowers
PLum P - too bad! I hope you're allright and that it won't be too expensive for you. Best stay away from you know where.
It's a sad day when you hear a great song that you love used for a comercial.
Hey, say what you want about Coldplay.
GatorAde wanted to use one of their songs for a commercial and the band said no.
Seymour Hersh has too many secret sources.
I don't believe a word he writes.
That's not in the doc by the way--I remember the Oswald story from an NPR report at the time
BUILD THAT WALL!
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The only questions is: which slut will he marry off first?
Maybe a White House wedding a la Julie Nixon. Wouldn't that be great!!
"Senor Fox, help us to BUILD THIS WALL!"
"For one more time, let your madness run with mine"
I think Iran would be just another attempt by the fratboy war president to prove he's got a dick bigger than his dad.
A Five Fucking Megaton Dick.
PlumP, hope you are not injured. Did the cop write Wal-Mart a ticket?
DWD
nah, i'm fine. But it was the first time an aur bag exploded in my face. It's stunned me for a few seconds! And lots of smoke. My car is slightly damaged...but the car in front of me will need a brand new bumper and lights...my fault, of that evil corporation's...
Air America's Rachel Maddow (if you don't listen to her you don't know what you're missing)
I am completely and totally in love with Rachel Maddow. (Yes, I know she's a lesbian and I have no chance! But she fucking rocks.)
I never seen you looking so bad my funky one.
You tell me that your super-fine mind has come undone
Open turtles, with boobies of mass destruction attached.
Seymour Hersh has too many secret sources.
I don't believe a word he writes.
jack
Get the fuck outta here. Hersh has a great reputation.
I remember reading an article by Paul McCartney after Michael Jackson bought his catalog and he said that he and Lennon din't write those songs to sell Cornflakes.
I HATE Whacko Jacko.
Oh great. The invisible hand puppet is back.
I've always been partial to the 1-2 punch of Babylon Sisters into Hey Nineteen from Gaucho. We go from So fine, so young; tell me I'm the only one to No we got nothing in common, no we can't talk at all in one step.
agave--Of course the Mexican Wall will do nothing to reduce illegals. It will do a lot to enrich GOP contributors like Halliburton and Bechtel
there's a new open thread up there i think
It will do a lot to enrich GOP contributors like Halliburton and Bechtel
Draco
The question is, what sre those camps for?
Fitzgerald wrote that Cheney and his aides saw Wilson as a threat to "the credibility of the Vice President (and the President) on a matter of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq." They decided to respond by implying that Wilson got his CIA assignment by "nepotism."
They were not alone. Fitzgerald reported for the first time this week that "multiple officials in the White House"-- not only Libby and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who have previously been identified -- discussed Plame's CIA employment with reporters before and after publication of her name on July 14, 2003, in a column by Robert D. Novak. Fitzgerald said the grand jury has collected so much testimony and so many documents that "it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to 'punish' Wilson."
I never seen you looking so bad my funky one
You tell me that your superfine mind has come undone
Any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you my friend
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again
When the demon is at your door
In the morning it won't be there no more
Any major dude will tell you
There will be a reality show: "Choose Jenna's dress!"
And another one: "Live from Jenna's bridal shower!"
And a third: "Intimate Portrait: The First Lady speaks with her daughter about wifely duties."
Can you imagine what will happen if the Busheviks are nuts enough to actually nuke Iran?
Tornadoes full of radioactive sand going every whichway, including the upper atmosphere.
They want Apocalypse--They're beyond insane
I don't believe a word he writes. -jack
A. Did you say that too after his revelations that we were torturing and killing people at Abu Ghraib too? (All of which were confirmed later to be 100% accurate.)
B. What possible reason does anyone, including you, have to gove a flying fuck what you believe?
C. Contribute to the Steely Dan love or bugger off tonight.
That news from Hersch really has me freaking depressed but not surprised. We knew it was coming and now it's here to deal with.
Well, on the plus side, there was a poll a few weeks ago that had support for attacking Iran at only 7%. It's going to be a lot harder for Bush to drum up support this time. Besides the fact that people no longer trust him after Iraq, if Bush starts rattling the sabre again, this time around there will be very immediate economic consequences. For every threat he makes, the price of oil will rise by several dollars. For that very reason, I also think there will be a concerted effort in the international community to get Bush to back down.
Terry C--"Any Major Dude" has been a fave Steely Dan song among many. The "half a heart" line is so perfectly ambiguous.
Does it mean "even half a leart" or "precisely half a heart"? He'd say the same thing
For that very reason, I also think there will be a concerted effort in the international community to get Bush to back down.
Richard | 04.09.06 - 12:04 am | #
Also keep in mind that Iran has absolutely nothing to lose by standing up to Bushco, calling his bluff. Typical repukes, pushing a war they can't win against an enemy that can't lose.
Gaucho is underrated, I think. The tours are startling in how fantastic the sound is, as well as the viciousness of the grooves. Pro jazz musicians marvel at the concoction that is the Dan.
one time i ate an entire bunch of banannas peels and all
I posted on this the other day after Rachel Maddox interviewed Jack Hitt. Then I did a little more digging for info on el salvadore:
". . . a year and a half after El Salvador's new abortion law took effect in 1998, 69 cases involving illegal abortions had been brought before courts. Most involved poor, under-educated, young women who self-induced abortions by using clothes hangers, ingesting very high doses of birth control pills, antacids, caustic liquids or cytotec pills. In 23 of the cases, hospital personnel turned the women over to police after they arrived for medical treatment following incomplete abortions."
http://
www.reproductiverights.or...b_bo_perse.html
The forensic vagina specialists used their own uteruses against them in court.
..... If you are interested in supporting the alternative publishing industry,......
naa......im waiting for my purchase to guarantee world peace.....
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Well now I can't say I disagree.
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