I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I pinch.
Boehlert's chapter on the Swift Boat Liars and the mainstream media who enabled them made me want to shoot even more people in the face.
BLAM!!!
3rd?
Evil Bastids!
quick, stash it before the hippies get here
Our country turned on some of its finest living patriots and chose to believe Rightwing lies instead. Just another reason the U.S. deserves all the bad things that will happen to it in the future because of their ignorant choices.
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.
I know one person who already realizes that. 
I'm just gonna have to take your word for it, Atrios. Can't afford any new books now.
I know one person who already realizes that.
Are they running?
D'Brick. Whoop-tee-brickin'-doo.
Are they running?
Is he? Hope so.
D'Brick. Whoop-tee-brickin'-doo.
Eli
Hee-hee.
Better for the Queens and their ugly-ass new uniforms.
Is he? Hope so.
I assume you mean Gore?
Because that will be the primary indication of an above-room-temperature IQ. They don't understand that, they got no business in DC.
Hateful RePIGlican Wingnuts!
"...that the elite media Is Not Their Friend."
Least of all the likes of MoDo who spent all her time in 2000 attacking Gore's fucking woredrobe.
Let's see.....
In 2000 Gore played pussywinks with the media, not bothering to fight back.
In 2004 Kerry also played pussywinks with the media, not bothering to fight back.
I know they thought they were doing the honorable thing, but when you're dead honor only matters to the god you hope to impress with your behavior in life. At least the republicans know there is no god but they'll give him lip service to kiss up, but when it comes to their lives they appeal to the other guy down south and that means fighting back, even if it costs you a few points there is at least enough sympathy for the devil that you'll gain as many supporters as you might lose.
MYOB'
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The "Elite Media" needs to be rounded up and subjected to the Cheney Treatment, for sure.
They are utterly worthless as journalists, they are propagandists only, and they should not be surprised that payback for their role will be painful.
The head of that fucktard Booby should be on a pike someplace to start things off.
I remember arguing with my brother in August 2004 about the Swiftboat liars, and he looked me in the eye and said, "You can't just believe everything Kerry says just because he says it."
He's really not a bad guy, but he tends to listen to wingnut radio on the way to work and it erodes his intelligence.
Yep.
Those sons a bitches never should of been allowed any air time whatsoever.
Those sons a bitches never should of been allowed any air time whatsoever.
I should've changed my name back.
Eli,
I take it you wanted Leinert?
And yes, the Viking Uniforms are far less attractive than their old ones. I don't understand the need for change.
Report: Keith Richards hospitalized after fall from tree.
Think he might've had a little buzz on?
Michael Ledeen:
Generals: You tell us that you foresaw many of the difficulties in Iraq. Yet you led your troops into combat, and only afterwards condemned the military strategy that you ordered your men and women to carry out. How do you explain that to the widows and orphans and injured? If you were so smart, why didn't you oppose the strategy when it might have mattered? Why didn't you speak out THEN? Indeed, why didn't you resign and speak out publicly, instead of waiting until now, when you come off as political opportunists?
Right. They're all "Clintonistas," only Clinton can't run again.
www.draftgore2008.org
Yup, the one who already knows.
Think he might've had a little buzz on?
He's permanently buzzed by the looks of him.
I take it you wanted Leinert?
Not hardly. Bush or Vernon Davis. How often do you see a big strong TE who can run a 4.38?
And yes, the Viking Uniforms are far less attractive than their old ones. I don't understand the need for change.
attaturk
Stadium push?
I do like that they'll be going to black shoes, though.
In 2000 Gore played pussywinks with the media, not bothering to fight back.
In 2004 Kerry also played pussywinks with the media, not bothering to fight back.
I know they thought they were doing the honorable thing, but when you're dead honor only matters to the god you hope to impress with your behavior in life.
There was a nineteenth-century idea that a Presidential candidate shouldn't go out and campaign for himself, but I think today that concept has to be turned on its head.
It is definitely not honorable to send thousands of people out to try to defend you when you have the attitude that you are too high-and-mighty to do it yourself.
Not hardly. Bush or Vernon Davis. How often do you see a big strong TE who can run a 4.38?
Eli
I agree on either of those, Davis would seemingly be impossible to defend.
Michael Ledeen needs his mouth washed out with bleach.
Michael Ledeen:
Poster boy for how to make enemies and piss off the wrong people.
I agree on either of those, Davis would seemingly be impossible to defend.
Jets: Commitment To Mediocrity.
Franny Rose -
What about your public library? They can inter-library loan for you...
I do like that they'll be going to black shoes, though.
Zap Rowsdower
Shoes (Bud Grant homage?) yes.
Purple pants again?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Kerry should have gone out the first day and said, "It's a pack of fucking lies."
John O'Neill's new nickname should have been Nixon's Buttboy.
But we do not have message discipline to save our ass.
A.
Shoes (Bud Grant homage?) yes.
Purple pants again?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
What if they draft some actual cannibals?
Oh great, another book I'm going to buy and don't have the time to read.
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.
I couldn't agree more ... breaking the stranglehold of corporate media is Issue #1 for me.
Is it Nazi Germany yet? By the time you all realise it, will it be too late?
Kerry should have gone out the first day and said, "It's a pack of fucking lies."
John O'Neill's new nickname should have been Nixon's Buttboy.
But we do not have message discipline to save our ass.
We don't have much of a delivery system either.
Yeah, Kerry had the media against him, but his own passive "above it all" bullshit was the real nail in the coffin. If you can't fight back, loudly, don't get in. Feingold get that, I think. Does anyone else?
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.
I couldn't agree more ... breaking the stranglehold of corporate media is Issue #1 for me.
Media and electoral reform. Mechanisms of accountability are what separate democracies from dictatorships.
Franny Rose -
What about your public library? They can inter-library loan for you...
Cats can't go to libraries.
Attaturk:
Everyone here was afraid that they'd do something to the helmet. Only saving grace.
Packers: A.J. Hawk?
Keep in mind that the Ledeen asshat is the one who thinks the US should "throw some little country against a wall" every 10 years, just to show the world who the boss is.
This Nazi pig deserves a slow, painful death.
What if they draft some actual cannibals?
Eli
Well they do need some toughness on defense.
Packers: A.J. Hawk?
He's pretty much been their pick all along...
Lay this one at the Bush doorstep with regards to soaring oil prices and so gas prices:
Iraqi oil production is down by 50% or more sicne the war and that has hit the market hard.
Iraq was, I believe the second leading oil producer.
Another Bush Blunder--Iraw War and its aftermath drove up oil prices.
These guys are either dxumber than shit or planned it this way.
Hawk is one uuugly mofo, tho.
Eli, if Kerry had called a press conference that first day and said, "Fucking liars. Fucking cowards."
CNN would have covered that shit. Everybody would have.
Then he does all the talking head shows HIMSELF.
Then the following day, beating the shit out of Bush commences.
A.
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.
say, rather: The OPPOSITION presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend....
Attaturk:
Everyone here was afraid that they'd do something to the helmet. Only saving grace.
Packers: A.J. Hawk?
Zap Rowsdower
Yes, they did something very subtle to the helment that I can live with. I thought they should add some real horns to their helmet like Hub Meeds had!
Packers take Hawk.
I was hoping they'd pass. 
Vikes wanted him too, Eli.
Too late. Gonna have to settle on a new QB.
Apprentice, I dunno, I kind of respect his honesty. He's batshit insane, but at least he's not bullshitting about peaance and freeance and the nobility of democracy and shit.
He should be kept in a very small room, of course, with pads on the walls, but he's not deceptive about the intention of his foreign policy positions, at least.
A.
Swiftboat Liars: Benedict Arnolds for the 21st Century. they couldn't have damaged the US more if they had flown planes into buildings. And Doc, your brother's an asshole, if he'll believe paid rightwing shills over a decorated officer. Especially republicans, who haven't told the truth since 1864 or so., with the exception of Eisenhower.
The days of "addressing the smears will only give them credibility" are long gone -- for the left.
There's no left-wing media machine in place to keep these fake scandals alive and recycled and reinforced like exists for the right.
One part of the right-wing media ecosystem shits out these innuendoes and outright smears, and then another part feeds off them. Nothing is wasted.
I couldn't agree more ... breaking the stranglehold of corporate media is Issue #1 for me.
Problem is that oftimes when you hear this, the context is that the problem is the "liberal media".
Too late. Gonna have to settle on a new QB.
Zap Rowsdower
I'd be happy if Cutler drops that far but I don't think he will. Maybe they'll trade up for him.
I bet the Vikes take Greenway or a Corner (maybe Jimmy Williams)
Eli, if Kerry had called a press conference that first day and said, "Fucking liars. Fucking cowards."
CNN would have covered that shit. Everybody would have.
Then he does all the talking head shows HIMSELF.
Then the following day, beating the shit out of Bush commences.
You're probably right, at least up to that last point. A presidential campaign is pretty much the *only* time the media are obligated to pay attention to what a Democrat says.
I'm sure they'd find a way to spin it negatively, but that's no excuse for Kerry to play possum.
Yes, they did something very subtle to the helment that I can live with. I thought they should add some real horns to their helmet like Hub Meeds had!
Oooh. How 'bout the Minnesota Turks? They could wear Fezzes...
Or, the Minnesota Shriners.
NIXON STOOGE.
I swear, I saw Going Upriver and wanted to beat the crap out of O'Neill. In the street.
A.
Michael Ledeen:
Poster boy for how to make enemies and piss off the wrong people.
pie
Here:
http://progressiveeruptions.blog...ca-
michael.html
Bad enough that the Jets don't take Davis, but he goes to the team I hate most in all the world.
http://www.ironfrog.com/catsmap.html
Interactive map for finding libraries with resident cats - very cool...
Rassmussen:
New Low for Bush:
37% approval, 62% disapprove
ONLY 16% Strongly Approve
but 45% Strongly Disapprove
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
...ob_Approval.htm
(which is actually a large part of the reason why I wanted the Jets to take him, so the 49ers couldn't)
Bad enough that the Jets don't take Davis, but he goes to the team I hate most in all the world.
Eli
Don't matter...the Niners will still be shitty.
well then ... accepting blankets from people that seem to want to be your friend is out of the question?
Another Bush Blunder--Iraw War and its aftermath drove up oil prices.
These guys are either dxumber than shit or planned it this way.
peterboy
My tinfoil hat is nodding sagely. I wonder if the oil co execs understand that oil is only going to last so much longer, and they may as well get top dollar on their way out. What's really fucked about that is that oil is much too prescious to burn. There are too many things you can make from it, again and again. Can't recycle what farts out of the tailpipe.
And so will the Jets, for that matter...
let's try mangos
Thanks, Shaw. I think.
The inmates are
And so will the Jets, for that matter...
Don't I know it. They have a long-standing and proud tradition of shooting themselves in the foot, especially on draft day.
The inmates are running the asylum.
Do we feed the trolls or not? O'Neill was sort of an uber-troll, and it was a calculated risk to ignore the troll for a while.
When Kerry did prove O'Neill to be a liar later in August that didn't stop Limbaugh or Sinclair or any of the rest of them (Koppel, even!) from promoting Swiftsmears right up to the end of October.
Comets!
http://news.com.com/2300-11397_3...-6066281-
1.html
Don't I know it. They have a long-standing and proud tradition of shooting themselves in the foot, especially on draft day.
Eli
Never fear, Pennington can still muster up the strength to throw a screen pass.
Wisdom from beyond the grave: Bill Hicks, November 11, 1992
You know what bugged me about the whole election? They totally reduced it to this worship of money and that's what they made this whole election about: taxes, you know? Voting with your wallet.
People would say to me, "Bill, you vote for Clinton and he's gonna raise your taxes. He'll tell you he's not, but he's gonna. A vote for Clinton is a vote for higher taxes, Bill."
See, I have news for you folks...there's other reasons not to vote for George Bush than taxes. I don't know what's happened to us as a world, maybe twelve years of Republicanism has made us think this way. But the reason I didn't vote for George Bush is because George Bush along with Ronald Reagan presided over an administration whose policies toward South America included genocide. (Laughs)
So, yeah...you see, the reason I didn't vote for him is because he's a mass murderer. Yeah, okay, yeah.
I'll pay that extra nickel on a liter of petrol just knowin' little brown kids aren't being clubbed to death like baby seals in Honduras so Pepsi can put a plant down there. I'll pay that extra nickel.
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=1054923
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I wonder if the oil co execs understand that oil is only going to last so much longer, and they may as well get top dollar on their way out.
I don't know about oil execs, but the Upton Sinclair principle that it is difficult to make someone understand something if his paycheck depends on not understanding it applies.
I can remember seeing New England fishermen arguing against regulations that were intended to keep the species they harvested from extinction by saying they wanted to preserve the fishing way of life for their children.
Never fear, Pennington can still muster up the strength to throw a screen pass.
attaturk
Ouch!
Now that the Queens are going to a west coast offense, and a Tampa-2 defense, I'm scared.
Hawk is one uuugly mofo, tho.
Eli | Homepage | 04.29.06 - 1:05 pm
I shall not have such disrespect directed against a fellow Centerville High School graduate.
(I have to admit, the hair, not so attractive)
Hey, I've got tomatoes, onions and brocolli growing in my basement.
When Kerry did prove O'Neill to be a liar later in August that didn't stop Limbaugh or Sinclair or any of the rest of them (Koppel, even!) from promoting Swiftsmears right up to the end of October.
question;
if titties on the air,
sports stars doing drugs,
violence in video games
are a problem for the nation,
then why are lying, violence promoting, drug using announcers not as much of a problem?
Now that the Queens are going to a west coast offense, and a Tampa-2 defense, I'm scared.
Zap Rowsdower
I don't mean to make fun of Pennington, Brad Johnson is pretty much an older, version of Pennington with better shoulders.
I can remember seeing New England fishermen arguing against regulations that were intended to keep the species they harvested from extinction by saying they wanted to preserve the fishing way of life for their children.
Doc
Now their fishing vessels are up for sale, with no buyers in sight.
When Kerry did prove O'Neill to be a liar later in August that didn't stop Limbaugh or Sinclair or any of the rest of them (Koppel, even!) from promoting Swiftsmears right up to the end of October.
I suppose there's a "nip it in the bud" argument I'm trying to make.
Fuck, I dunno. With a country as devoid of any sense of history or shame over that same history as this one, maybe every strategy is a losing one.
A.
Oakland take Michael Huff! That's a bit of a surprise.
Where will Leinert go?
Arizona?
I wonder if the oil co execs understand that oil is only going to last so much longer, and they may as well get top dollar on their way out.
since they already own all the alternative technologies, i figger they're just hangin' on to extract the ast dollar from the last drop of oil before they start to rape us with new energy rip-offs...
I was mainly recounting my argument with my brother to point out how the Bush campaign had thoroughly degraded the discourse at that point. He votes Democratic pretty reliably.
It's not too cool to call him an asshole when you only know a sentence or so about him.
The Strib had Linert going to the Jets, and called the Raiders taking Huff.
Queens, perhaps?
The inmates are running the asylum.
pie ...
who will fate supply ... the hungry ... the devote ...? those that sought to hide in fear of the onslaught ... the GREEDY and mindlessly amoralistic ...? because we have issues ...doesnt mean we are united ... we have to take a branch from the tree and use it ... whether we are allergic to it's "qualities" or not. in bring an man back to life some will not resond ... those that are dead have a choice to return.
The inmates are running the asylum.
pie ...
who will fate supply ... the hungry ... the devote ...? those that sought to hide in fear of the onslaught ... the GREEDY and mindlessly amoralistic ...? because we have issues ...doesnt mean we are united ... we have to take a branch from the tree and use it ... whether we are allergic to it's "qualities" or not. in bring an man back to life some will not resond ... those that are dead have a choice to return.
Koppel, to be fair, in the end did a good job (in October?) in debunking the stories by sending a crew to Vietnam to talk to the principals.
Too late, maybe, but it at least said definitively what the facts were, and that the Swifties, essentially, were liars.
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I don't mean to make fun of Pennington, Brad Johnson is pretty much an older, version of Pennington with better shoulders.
Umm, no. Right now you have to go to Danny Woeful if you want to find someone with Chad's arm strength right now.
It was barely adequate before he got hurt (and hella accurate), but now it's... not.
Don't shoot them in the face.
Just "pepper them lightly."
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Archaeoacoustics
"By archaeoacoustics I mean the recovery of sounds from the time before the invention of recording. This implies that such sounds would have been recorded inadvertently, while intending to do sometring else. Not much has been written about this subject and only very few experiments have been made, but I find the subject fascinating enough to dare the deep waters of the unproven and often scorned.
So far no ancient sound has been heard, and the experiments conducted have been attempts to reproduce the conditions at which such recordings would have been produced, successful attempts, according to the papers published.
//the analysis of the forces acting on a stylus or its equivalent (feather, vane etc.) while working on a soft surface, and to the actual recording of sound on a clay cylinder that was subsequently fired.
The results are rather encouraging for those who wish to hear the sounds of antiquity. The stylus analysis showed that the maximum force on a possible stylus (in this case a feather used to decorate a pot) would occur at high frequencies, those carrying the consonants of speech and thus the maximum information.
The actual recording also gave a fairly good result. A clay cylinder was formed on a dictaphone mandrel and a 400 Hz signal was recorded with an electrical cutting head giving a lateral modulation. After firing the cylinder, it could be fitted on the mandrel again after some filing, and the signal could be both heard and measured. The noise level at 400 Hz was about the same as the signal level, but at 1-2 kHz it measured considerably lower, which would make it easier to make out any recorded voices. "
http://members01.chello.se/chris...eo/
archaeo.html
As much as I detest fools and menaces like Joe Klein, Tim Russert, Chris Matthews and anyone ever associated with Fox News anywhere, they are not the problem. It's the ownership. Corporate ownership of the media is a big bad problem. They are conservative and pro business. Maybe bringing back the equal time thing would help, but probably not enough.
Uh... at current consumption rates, about 125,000 years of fairly avilable hydro-carbon fuel remain.
Perhaps someone has neglected to tell people.
That the nation's budgetary situation continues to deteriorate is because the administration's fiscal policy has been decidedly more about politics than policy. Even the tax cuts, which happened to be good policy, were still political in nature considering their appeal to the Republican's conservative base. At the same time, the politicos running the Bush reelection machine have consistently tried to placate or silence the liberals and special interests by throwing money at their every whim and desire. In mathematical terms, the administration calculates that satiated conservatives plus silenced liberals equals reelection.
Eli : I'm sure they'd find a way to spin it negatively, but that's no excuse for Kerry to play possum.
Gee : Too late, maybe, but it at least said definitively what the facts were, and that the Swifties, essentially, were liars.
I remember very well that (here, for instance) we were yelling, screaming, BEGGING, the Kerry campaign to fight back immediately and loudly.
We understood trolls. You beat them down ruthlessly.
As much as I detest fools and menaces like Joe Klein, Tim Russert, Chris Matthews and anyone ever associated with Fox News anywhere, they are not the problem. It's the ownership. Corporate ownership of the media is a big bad problem. They are conservative and pro business.
Yep. They're not *just* Bush-fellating assholes by nature, it's actually their *job*.
Archaeoacoustics
I read about this years ago but I always figured it was a hoax.
Athenae: well, I think you're right. I read a bit in Esquire a while back where Kerry himself agrees with you.
I was just saying, rather than 'passiveness' or 'aloofness', ignoring O'Neill was thought-out. On the whole, it probably hurt Kerry, but not as much as the campaign funding gap between the Dem convention and the Repub.
Fuck, I dunno. With a country as devoid of any sense of history or shame over that same history as this one, maybe every strategy is a losing one.
A.
Athenae - 1:19 pm
i'm afraid that your latter observation is the correct one, and that we who are over 50 (and even those over 40) will not breathe free again...
It's the ownership. Corporate ownership of the media is a big bad problem. They are conservative and pro business
It isn't even that they are as much "pro business", it's the recent obsession of US business, with quarterly results. In other words too close of a view of the world. No long distance vision.
Athenae: well, I think you're right. I read a bit in Esquire a while back where Kerry himself agrees with you.
I was just saying, rather than 'passiveness' or 'aloofness', ignoring O'Neill was thought-out. On the whole, it probably hurt Kerry, but not as much as the campaign funding gap between the Dem convention and the Repub.
The thing is, I can certainly understand the strategy of not spending lots of money on anti-Swift ads, but Kerry making a public statement that these guys are bald-faced lying scumbags is, last I checked, free.
OT: Lieberman just now on New England Cable News (NECN)... blah blah... in favor of 60 day federal gas-tax holiday (bad idea) 50% windfall profits tax to produce $450 rebate (aka 8 tanks of gas)... Stupid stupid man.. if anything, fed gas taxes should be hiked to pay for alternative energy... the "rebate" is fucking meaningless, except as relates to the '06 elections...
I'm also reminded, with Lieberman calling for shutting down FEMA that he was the fucking idiot who pushed through Brownie's appointment on his comittee (with a 43 minute "hearing", ie Lieberman congratulating himself) and also putting FEMA under DHS... two disasterous blunders that cost many lives and billions of our money.
I have given to Lamont and will give more.
it's the recent obsession of US business, with quarterly results.
Monthly or even weekly results on the ground, I can assure you.
made me want to shoot even more people in the face.
better aim, please.
The Strib had Linert going to the Jets, and called the Raiders taking Huff.
Queens, perhaps?
Zap Rowsdower
Huh?
The homo-sexual agenda has taken over the NFL draft too?
Will it never end?
Hiya, batsies.
I was just saying, rather than 'passiveness' or 'aloofness', ignoring O'Neill was thought-out.
That's obvious from other aspects of the campaign, especially the "Happy-Talk" convention. They could easily have demolished Bush's record without resorting to personal attacks if that was what they thought would hurt them. When Jimmy Carter is one of the most aggressive speakers, you know some bunch of consultants have pissed in the soup.
Too late, maybe, but it at least said definitively what the facts were, and that the Swifties, essentially, were liars.
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Gee
Sorry, but I don't buy it. By that time it was accepted wisdom that Kerry's service wasn't all it was cracked up to be. 90% of the voters didn't know any of the details. Just that there were lingering questions. That's all they needed to do, and they did it just right. Remember, they had the book on the stands something like the Wednesday after Kerry accepted the nomination. The commericals started the Monday after.
I saw the asshole on Tweety and Tweety had done his homework and was able to knock down every point. Didn't matter. The guys were on teebee saying Kerry lied about his service. Facts, the sheeple don't need no fucking facts. Just a feeling sufficed.
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.
We would love for this to be true or possible.
That's obvious from other aspects of the campaign, especially the "Happy-Talk" convention. They could easily have demolished Bush's record without resorting to personal attacks if that was what they thought would hurt them. When Jimmy Carter is one of the most aggressive speakers, you know some bunch of consultants have pissed in the soup.
Swifties aside, I have never forgiven Kerry for not attacking Bush's phony tough-on-terror credentials.
The Coming War no one wants to talk about
Now their fishing vessels are up for sale, with no buyers in sight.
That's the Democrats' fault!
Monthly or even weekly results on the ground, I can assure you.
That's fine and well when you are running a business, and need to be concerned with the financial liquidity of it.
It's a very bad thing when it's how you analyze and report news.
It's the ownership. Corporate ownership of the media is a big bad problem. They are conservative and pro business. Maybe bringing back the equal time thing would help, but probably not enough.
Neponset
The Fairness Doctrine, if enforced, would help a lot, I think. But you're right that as long as the ownership is biased, it doesn't matter which Spokeshairstyle is doing the spinning on any given day.
Neponset:
fox = Rupert Murdoch...
i think someone should kill that mutherfocker, and today is not soon enough...
Mental Note: Don't piss off Atrios because he will shoot me in the face.
This is the exact kind of shit that pisses me off about this country.
Who, in their correct mind, is okay with this?
I'm not sure our founding fathers intended to enshrine a special protected role in our democratic society for a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Electric.
it's more of the kids left to acceptance/or not, or others because their parents dont live in a culture that will acknowledge that spending early life with parents is ultimate to a childs/persons ultimate destiny
i'm afraid that your latter observation is the correct one, and that we who are over 50 (and even those over 40) will not breathe free again...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka..
Speak for yourself. This over-50 intends to die free just like she has lived.
That's just silly.
fox = Rupert Murdoch
The last I heard was that Rupert Murdoch was living with his latest wife in China. Maybe for his need to avoid running into anyone who understands how his news empire twists their reporting of the news.
The Fairness Doctrine, if enforced, would help a lot, I think.
I seem to be in the minority on this, but I suspect that it would make things worse. Look at the people who are considered "liberals" or "Democrats" now, like Lieberman and Klein and Biden and the New Republic and DLC.
Who do *you* think the media would pick to present the "Democratic" point of view? And the Republican spin would be certified as true thanks to the Fairness Doctrine figleaf.
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.
Fine. As long as said candidates don't pull a Howard Dean and suggest on-air to Tweety that the G.E. conglom should be broken up. Otherwise, Lorne Michaels will produce an SNL skit of "Dean" having temper tantrums with every cast member in sight.
The liberal/progressive left is way past due to put up (and not shut up) about the elite media:
Enlist backers, big and small, and buy some major media outlets - one on cable TV, and one or more newspapers.
Run them like the old BBC - which is owned by the British public - but in this case have it run like a coop or not-for-profit.
And make all the left-owned media outlets a true voice of journalistic integrity and truth-telling.
OurBall ...theory
The Fairness Doctrine, if enforced, would help a lot, I think. But you're right that as long as the ownership is biased, it doesn't matter which Spokeshairstyle is doing the spinning on any given day.
flory
With reports that the Wall St. boys are giving more to Dems than Repukes for the first time in decades, this may begin to change. W and Co. are behaving like Tony Soprano did when he got that idjit's sports store. Anybody with any economic sense knows the country is heading for big trouble. I just hope it comes while w is still in the WH, otherwise they'll blame it on the Dems. The big money boys see this.
Hey, I've got tomatoes, onions and brocolli growing in my basement.
Screw the tomaotes, i have finally seen the rock!!!!!
WoooooooooHooooo!!!
Afternoon all!
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I'm not sure our founding fathers intended to enshrine a special protected role in our democratic society for a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Electric.
Doc | 04.29.06 - 1:36 pm
i'm pretty sure you're right about that...
a large part of the revolutionary fervor in those days was sparked by Royally chartered CORPORATIONS which were wholly owned subsidiaries of the Monarchy...
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The liberal/progressive left is way past due to put up (and not shut up) about the elite media:
Enlist backers, big and small, and buy some major media outlets - one on cable TV, and one or more newspapers.
Run them like the old BBC - which is owned by the British public - but in this case have it run like a coop or not-for-profit.
And make all the left-owned media outlets a true voice of journalistic integrity and truth-telling.
I'm still kinda baffled that they haven't done this already - what are they waiting for? I'm sure it's expensive, but there are Dems with deep pockets (Soros? Clooney? Baldwin? Robbins/Sarandon?) who hate Bush's guts pretty fucking intensely.
If Amerikans accept this puerile and pusillanimous gimmick of waving $100 or $450 payments at drivers to relieve the Pain at the Pump crisis that our media is so persistently flogging, we truly are too stupid to live.
I agree with Adlai Stevenson that Amerikans usually elect the government they deserve, but this approach is too lame to even qualify as a Band-aid.
Zap:
Arggggghhhhh!!! I tell ya what -- any Dem that voted to reathorize the Patriot Act isn't getting a dime of my money this cycle.
However, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has said the department has never used the provision to ask for library records.
And Abu G being such an honest upstanding kinda guy, I'm just gonna take him at his word here.
Eli: There was a timeline, on Democratic Underground, a while back, which details the response to the Swiftboat smear. I don't think it was as delayed and helpless as we believe now. It's odd how much credit we want to give Rove for things.
I do think you're missing my point a little bit- I honestly don't think the Swifties, disgusting as they were, had as much influence as people want to believe. The voters who bought those lies did so because they wanted a reason to vote against Kerry. they would have found one eventually.
like klushammer said ... we'll spend time sorting out history while they make it .... these are not the questions or rhetoric we want to discuss now
I just hope it comes while w is still in the WH, otherwise they'll blame it on the Dems. The big money boys see this.
ql Beale - 1:39 pm
ths does not make me optimistic...
it merely means that they figger they can buy the Dems as easily (and probably cheaper) than the GOPukes...
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Screw the tomaotes, i have finally seen the rock!!!!!
Howdy, UNE.
The rock. Ugggh.
The last I heard was that Rupert Murdoch was living with his latest wife in China. Maybe for his need to avoid running into anyone who understands how his news empire twists their reporting of the news.
Doug,
Or maybe to buy spare parts, which is illegal to do here. That mofo is getting on.
Speaking of which, has anybody read "Never Let Me Go." That book seriously creeped me out.
The presidential candidates who will get my support in 2008 will be the ones who understand that the elite media Is Not Their Friend.-------
Sorry, but I don't want the Mess Media to be the friend of any politician. I want them to do their damn jobs.
The worse offense to the public has been the result of a 'paid off' or 'love fest' attitude toward this criminal bushmob which has blinded them to see and report the truth.
Just do the damn job and let the 'Freedom of the Press' mean something.
stike while the iron is hot and demand to be freed
I do think you're missing my point a little bit- I honestly don't think the Swifties, disgusting as they were, had as much influence as people want to believe.
In an election that close, even a tiny nudge would have been enough.
Arggggghhhhh!!! I tell ya what -- any Dem that voted to reathorize the Patriot Act isn't getting a dime of my money this cycle.
I keep getting these calls from the DNC aswking for money...
i tell 'em if they can assure me that not a single Dim who voted for the PATRIOT ACT, or the Bankruptcy bill, or for Robertys/Alito will receive a skinny fucking dime, then i'd be happy to donate...
(DLCrickets)
The press is not free. Just deeply discounted.
there are evidences of hate and deceit and bigotry ... to form a new government that provides for the issues is not wrong
Just do the damn job and let the 'Freedom of the Press' mean something.
In a corporatized media, that's next to impossible. Journalistic integrity doth not equal job security.
Who do *you* think the media would pick to present the "Democratic" point of view? And the Republican spin would be certified as true thanks to the Fairness Doctrine figleaf.
Eli
IIRC, The Fairness Doctrine didn't say a word about Democrats or Republicans, it said you have to tell both sides of a story. So after Swift Boat, they would've had to devote equal time to Kerry's story. After any one of Bush's Tinkerbell photo ops on our great and glorious war, they've got to talk about the dead and destroyed.
You're probably right, a lot of it would get filtered thru the DINO's but at least both sides of the story would be out there.
Its not a political
I don't like the fairness doctrine =p
The media already spend enough time ginning up phony balance and equivalence, and it's appalling. The last thing they need is the excuse "But we HAAAAD to do it!"
That is quite a meaty rock Moe, I am glad that yoou decided to make peace with its existance.
Sure the exercise wasn't bad either.
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I still pine to see the ad I dreamed up for the last presidential campaign, the one that would fade from one face to another (from Bush to Ritter, Wilson, et al, then back to Bush) as the voiceover said,
"According to this man (Bush), all of these people are liars (everyone who has ever been slandered by this administration) and only this man (Bush again) is telling the truth.
In your life experience, when one person is claiming that everyone else is lying, doesn't it usually turn out that the one accusing everyone else of lying is the liar?
How likely is it that everyone else is lying and only this man (Bush again) is telling the truth?"
It would have been a great way of calling Bush the liar that he is without ever saying "Bush is a liar".
But it might have been effective, so of course, we didn't see anything like it.
IIRC, The Fairness Doctrine didn't say a word about Democrats or Republicans, it said you have to tell both sides of a story. So after Swift Boat, they would've had to devote equal time to Kerry's story. After any one of Bush's Tinkerbell photo ops on our great and glorious war, they've got to talk about the dead and destroyed.
Does each "side" get to pick its own advocate, or does the media get to pick? If the media gets to pick, then you know they'll pick a complete blithering idiot or ineffectual patsy to represent the liberal side.
If Amerikans accept this puerile and pusillanimous gimmick of waving $100 or $450 payments at drivers to relieve the Pain at the Pump™ crisis that our media is so persistently flogging, we truly are too stupid to live.
How 'bout $100 a week? From the oil companies themselves? That might help things out a bit.
a patriot would look at the news on channel 7 or 4 or 6 and weep ... I weep for america .. and I fear not enough conscious minds will envelope what's happening before we can do anything about it ...(at least put some bottled water inthe basement ... if things keep going the way that they are ... we'll be split between hiding and being moved
I don't know Jennifer, are we allowed to call it "lying"
UNE ChickenLittle | Homepage | 04.29.06 - 1:46 pm
how's the chile holding up?
I'm still kinda baffled that they haven't done this already - what are they waiting for? I'm sure it's expensive, but there are Dems with deep pockets
My guess is their 'business analysts' tell them that yet another news channel would never survive -- especially since it would be waaaay the hell up the dial on most cable systems. So they've got to wait for somebody currently owns one to decide to sell. (Course the business analysts prolly told Murdoch the same thing and look how right they were)
I just hope Ted Turner's ego is big enough he desperately wants to get CNN back so he can rescue what was his legacy.
I don't know Jennifer, are we allowed to call it "lying"
Pretty sure I read somewhere that Krugman was expressly forbidden to accuse Bush of "lying" until after the 2000 election (or possibly the 2004 one...).
Now the unhinged moonbats want to shoot people in the face!
ql - well, THEY'RE allowed to call people liars. But of course the rules are different for Republicans.
In short, I don't know.
John Proctor
Or maybe to buy spare parts, which is illegal to do here. That mofo is getting on.
Oh. I was thinking it was to keep an eye on his biggest future market, but I'll be you're right. There was an article in the Chronk not too long ago about how many people are going to China for transplants.
Pie, are you still in here? (Just making sure I'll have at least one person who will not immediately rule out what I say just because of my whore-ness).
LOL
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So they've got to wait for somebody currently owns one to decide to sell. (Course the business analysts prolly told Murdoch the same thing and look how right they were)
If somebody were to kill Rupert Murdoch, that'd open up Fox...
I honestly don't think the Swifties, disgusting as they were, had as much influence as people want to believe. The voters who bought those lies did so because they wanted a reason to vote against Kerry. they would have found one eventually.
The worst aspect of what they did in terms of the election, and the reason the media is so culpable here, is that a whole month of time was wasted with their obvious bullshit -- and thus wasn't spent looking at Bush's appalling record, or at anything else that actually, like, mattered.
If somebody were to kill Rupert Murdoch, that'd open up Fox...
It'd be fun seeing all the loyal Kool-Aid drinkers walking around with severe whiplash...
The 'swifties' had an effect. First by distracting the bush AWOL story and second by exposing Kerry as a 'roll me over' candidate.
I know a number of people who voiced a "I'll hold my nose and vote for Kerry" to guess that there must be many who just did not vote. ABB was just a saying when what was needed was a firm conviction.
There was an article in the Chronk not too long ago about how many people are going to China for transplants.
flory | 04.29.06 - 1:52 pm
in China, they execute criminals to harvest their organs...
if there's then an 'organ gap,' can the USer bidness community be far behind?
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Does each "side" get to pick its own advocate, or does the media get to pick?
It wasn't a 'sides' thing. It was a 'facts' thing. The facts on both sides -- or the spin and the facts -- have to be presented.
Our side insists that the facts matter so it shouldn't make a difference who's presenting them.
If Amerikans accept this puerile and pusillanimous gimmick of waving $100 or $450 payments at drivers to relieve the Pain at the Pump crisis that our media is so persistently flogging, we truly are too stupid to live.
The $100 will be delivered in the form of hookers who will give first-class oral sex to every driving American.
The GOP knows lots of hookers and can get them at a discount.
It wasn't a 'sides' thing. It was a 'facts' thing. The facts on both sides -- or the spin and the facts -- have to be presented.
Our side insists that the facts matter so it shouldn't make a difference who's presenting them.
If the media was presenting both "sides" we'd be fucked. They'd do a piss-poor half-assed job of representing the facts side, and they'd have license to give the spin side even more weight than it gets now.
If somebody were to kill Rupert Murdoch, that'd open up Fox...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
Don't think so. I think at least one of his kids is still working for the company.
I sure hope somebody decides to kill Rupert Murdoch...
i'd never advocate such a thing, of course...
i just wish it'd happen...
just sayin'
if there's then an 'organ gap,' can the USer bidness community be far behind?
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar
Illegal to transplant a purchased organ in this country.
And you'd have a whole lotta disgusted people if they tried to change that.
are you still in here?
Just got back on. How are you? Ready for some snowy weather?
(BTW, you are NOT my friend. )
Illegal to transplant a purchased organ in this country.
And you'd have a whole lotta disgusted people if they tried to change that.
flory - 1:58 pm
wanna bet?
Illegal to transplant a purchased organ in this country.
torture usta be 'illegal' too
just sayin'
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and thus wasn't spent looking at Bush's appalling record, or at anything else that actually, like, mattered.
Thers, Boss of You
Ding, ding, ding.
We got a winnah!
It was as if they would throw anything out there, no matter how outrageous, to change the conversation. They almost succeeded.
If the media was presenting both "sides" we'd be fucked. They'd do a piss-poor half-assed job of representing the facts side, and they'd have license to give the spin side even more weight than it gets now.
Eli
You might be right. But media ownership in the Fairness Doctrine era was no more inherently liberal than it is now and yet the news sure did seem to be presented more fairly back in the day.
Thing is, as qlBeale said, the point wasn't the response.
The point was to get that negative 'feeling' about Kerry out there. So he ran a high minded campaign to attempt disproving that point.
We could argue about it all day long, but it was a strategy that made sense considering the mood of the country and what *seemed* to be working out in Iraq.
Pie, are you still in here? (Just making sure I'll have at least one person who will not immediately rule out what I say just because of my whore-ness).
WH'ho
(in my best pie voice)
Right here big boy, what you got for us today?
If somebody were to kill Rupert Murdoch, that'd open up Fox...
It'd be fun seeing all the loyal Kool-Aid drinkers walking around with severe whiplash...
Eli | Homepage | 04.29.06 - 1:54 pm | #
Could somebody hack into their system, and reprogam it so instead of Fox, the satellites were broadcasting BBC? Or the CBC?
They almost succeeded.
ql Beale - 2:01 pm
fuck, dahlin...
invest in a coupla 'almosts' like that one and you and Mr qlB could retire tomorrow...
just syain
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wanna bet?
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
Yeah, I do.
People are already making noises about making it illegal to travel to China for the purpose.
If they could figure out how to enforce it.
No way does purchased organ transplants *ever* get made legal in this country.
chris/tx, you goof.
WH'ho, what you got for us?
No way does purchased organ transplants *ever* get made legal in this country.
flory - 2:03 pm
dahlin, that's why i love ya: yore a rosey eyed optimist...
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Pie, so glad you're here. Yes, I'm ready to shovel (or, I guess, given my moniker, "Snow-blow").
Anyway, my two cents on this. (In two parts, haloscan won't let me put it all in one).
There are two big differences between the Dems and the GOP when it comes to the national press corps (the folks who cover campaigns). First, the Dems tend to view us as Important while the GOP tends to view us as Useful. This is sort of what Boehlert hints at with the whole "Team Bush saw the national media as just another constituency" though I think that's not quite right. They just think we have our uses, and reaching their base ain't one of them.
Second, as Athenae points out, the Dems tend to be less competent at media and message management because they tend to be more hands-off (because we're Important). This results in less pressure on us, less aggressive sales pitches, virtually no calling out of reporters for "bad" stories, etc. If your response is "Clinton wasn't like that at all," my answer is "bingo."
HICA, ever-body!
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The RNC doesn't like us at all, but if you need a pointy-eared, black-haired, one-legged, lisping, Albanian-American expert to defend the Administration's policy on logging, they'll have one at your disposal in 20 minutes.
The DNC under Dean has gotten measurably more helpful and definitely more aggressive - more like the RNC, in a lot of ways. DNC spokesfolks call you back in an hour, not a week. They have answers to your questions. They can get you a blind Oregonian former lumberjack Vietnamese-American to attack the Administration's logging policy if you need one. This all matters to how stories get reported.
I realize that all of the experts in here think Kerry played nicey-nice with us, but that's wrong.
The critical quotation from the Kerry campaign on message-management was a Tad Devine (one of Kerry's senior consultants) line in the NYTimes in, oh, September, after Kerry had given a couple of speeches on national security and had narrowed the gap with Bush. Devine told the Times something like "well, we've narrowed the gap on national security, so now we're going to talk about other issues."
The critical anecdote on that same issue happens after Kerry gives his big speech on Iraq in New York and dents Bush's approval ratings. A Major Media Player on Team Bush emails a Major Media Player on Team Kerry to say "I hate you," and the Kerry Team guy emails back "don't worry, he doesn't have the discipline to give that speech again."
So we have, on the one hand "we're abandoning the strategy that's breathed new life into our campaign and made this a real race," and on the other a lack of discipline.
I don't have room here to discuss the Biggest Problem, which is having political reporters covering policy issues. That's the single worst thing about the media today: Assigning someone whose instincts are "constituencies...polls...wedge issues...horse race...the Base" to cover something that requires expertise.
HICA, ever-body!
How Is Curly, Ay?
dahlin, that's why i love ya: yore a rosey eyed optimist...
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WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar(aka...
Not hardly. But I am a lot closer to the whole organ transplant thing, both professionally and personally, than you prolly are. So I kinda follow this stuff.
But I love you too.
WH'ho, but there are dems out there who are trying to get their message out. It seems to me that the outlet they most frequently have to use is CSPAN.
Not hardly. But I am a lot closer to the whole organ transplant thing, both professionally and personally, than you prolly are. So I kinda follow this stuff.
But I love you too.
flory - 2:08 pm
flory, dahlin, i'll grant you your expertise in everything, and still maintain that, if the cost/price ratio is right, it'll happen here, too, sooner or later...
That's the single worst thing about the media today: Assigning someone whose instincts are "constituencies...polls...wedge issues...horse race...the Base" to cover something that requires expertise.
Actually, I think you'd get a lot of agreement on that from people here.
I don't have room here to discuss the Biggest Problem, which is having political reporters covering policy issues. That's the single worst thing about the media today: Assigning someone whose instincts are "constituencies...polls...wedge issues...horse race...the Base" to cover something that requires expertise.
WH'ho
Nice to see you again, WH'Ho. And it's really nice to get your view on this situation. You are closer to it than just anyone here, I think.
Images that are the material that nightmares are made of. The 17,000 US soldiers injured in the Iraq conflict.
a bad babble fish translation from the original Spanish.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
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The original Spanish article for those who can read this.
http://www.voltairenet.org/
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how's the chile holding up?
Half is in the freezer and some of the other half is looking to end up A yet to be made lunch!
Very well indeed!
That's the single worst thing about the media today: Assigning someone whose instincts are "constituencies...polls...wedge issues...horse race...the Base" to cover something that requires expertise.
cf: cokie roberts, et al...
the problem is that the news bureaus have been eviscerated in bottom-line purges...thata and the style of bumper-sticker coverage at which the SCuM excels militate against any serious changes in the way politics or campaigns are 'covered'...
Actually, I think you'd get a lot of agreement on that from people here.
Definitely. It was quite obvious in the coverage of SS, the lead up to the Iraq war, and currently with the energy crisis (and sure I'm leaving tons of other stuff out).
"WH'ho, but there are dems out there who are trying to get their message out. It seems to me that the outlet they most frequently have to use is CSPAN."
I know what you're saying, but if you saw my email in-box, you'd see all of the DNC and individual Dem or Dem-affiliated emails that rain down on me every day. It's getting out.
Plus, don't forget all of the local media outreach. Both sides do a lot of this, especially in key markets (like Ohio).
Finally, it's tough not having any branch of government. What you say doesn't matter as much to what will eventually happen, which means it has less news value. On the other hand, when a prominent TV news person complains that the Dems don't have any ideas or policies, you can always ask how many shows they've done on Dem ideas and policies.
Left the word "about" out of that sentence. "...just about anyone here..."
I realize that all of the experts in here think Kerry played nicey-nice with us, but that's wrong.
Not sure what you mean by that. My criticism of the way Kerry ran the campaign was that he didn't keep hammering away on the Iraq issue and Bush's lack of credibility on that. My biggest beef with the media was a faux "evenhandedness" that apparently required the most ridiculous administration claims about the war to go unchallenged.
Adam Nagourney's story that summer about the "drop" in US casualties because of the handover in power was the most egregrious example of this that I can remember. The numbers he used were straight from the administration, and wrong, and the attribution of causality was silly. But there it went into the paper of record, like it made sense...
That's the single worst thing about the media today: Assigning someone whose instincts are "constituencies...polls...wedge issues...horse race...the Base" to cover something that requires expertise.
I was thinking something along those lines last week, but wasn't able to quite articulate it. I was watching Blitzer do yet another interview on yet some other subject and thought, the guy doesn't have time to really hone up on any story, let alone every single one that comes along. All he can really do is acquire a cursory knowledge of most issues and sound as if he knows what he is talking about. It would be much better if the news corps kept a bevy of experts available who were also news people who could present the facts of an issue in an unbiased manner, that was easy to follow.
Thanks, whoever you are.
No way does purchased organ transplants *ever* get made legal in this country.
flory
There's no way that public policy in this country would change that much. I agree.
It is not going to happen. This is not China.
I don't have room here to discuss the Biggest Problem, which is having political reporters covering policy issues.
THANK YOU. Just because a politician is involved peripherally doesn't mean you have to send your "politics" guy after it.
Politics and Issues are different beats.
A.
"don't worry he doesn't have the discipline to give that speech again"-- yeah, *that* is a Team guy... with help like that, it's a wonder anyone gets anywhere...
Another provision of the Fairness Doctrine that would be greatly helpful today was the rule that if you were broadcasting commentary, you had to put the word Commentary or Opinion up on the screen. No mixing propaganda with news -- your propaganda had to be labeled. I thought of that fondly when I was listening to CNN the other day in the hotel, getting ready for the morning meeting. They were spinning Tony Snow so hard the hotel was shaking. Come on, label it Commentary!
2,400
Dammit!!!
It is not going to happen. This is not China.
Tena hippie extraordinaire -- 2:18 pm
i wouldn't bet the ranch against it...
just sayin...
Finally, it's tough not having any branch of government. What you say doesn't matter as much to what will eventually happen, which means it has less news value.
Except that I seem to remember (I was a little young then) lots of time being given to Republicans during the Clinton administration. And for a brief time during Bush's first term, Dems had the Senate, and it was still "Why don't you support our brave preznit? Why do you hate America" all the time.
I know you're trying to break this down into individual media, individual shows or outlets even, but you have to admit that a cumulative storyline develops and that during the campaign that storyline was overwhelmingly favorable to Bush. I don't know who bears responsibility for that. Kerry probably does, a lot of it, because it's impossible to address the "talking head class" collectively, even though in many ways they are collective.
On the other hand, when a prominent TV news person complains that the Dems don't have any ideas or policies, you can always ask how many shows they've done on Dem ideas and policies.
And for this, WH'ho, I adore you.
A.
What you say doesn't matter as much to what will eventually happen, which means it has less news value.
Oy. That's the rub. Look at what has happened!!!!!!
The war, especially, was waged on lies and deceit and fear-mongering. Come on, you guys could see that.
2,400
Hi Tena, thanks for the welcome!
Chris/TX: EXACTLY (SS, Iraq, etc).
Woody: Sorry, I haven't trolled in here in a while. I know "SCLM" but what's "SCuM"? (no fair answering: "Uhhh, you are!")
I'd say a couple more things on the Political Reporter problem.
First, it's easier to report a story from that perspective. I say this as, well, essentially a political reporter. But the horse-race angle is easy. Bush says X, Kerry counters Y, Bush was in Ohio, Kerry was in Oregon.
Second, news editors have (not incorrectly) concluded that most news consumers don't read the wonky articles, so they shy away from them. One of my favorite writers is Michael Grunwald at the WaPo. He wrote a series on the political dimensions of the sugar industry in 2000 (if memory serves) that was absolutely stunning. And very few people read it. (Anyone in here remember it?)
The solution, IMHO, would be to have the political writer co-report with the policy writer. This way, you'd have the necessary Campaign angle, but with the "Most economists agree that..." (ok, that's a very bad example).
You just can't fight terrorism with hard military assets, you might as well shoot yourself in the temple. Get it? Temple?
2,400 those were someone's child.
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Now they are just markers in a large cemetery.
Liberals are sore losers about 2004 still. They also think America's resolve will be shaken by the death os 2400 soldiers. We have just begun the fight, chickens! We will free the world and America will not be cowed by enemies within.
2,400
Dammit!!!
attaturk - 2:21 pm
lessee:
2400 in 37 mos = 70/mo (mas o manos)
5 more mos til 'election day'...say another 300 dead? mas o menos?
they should be just a couple hundred short of the ixxi count by then...
what a fucking accomplishment...
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I like WH'ho, and will miss him when he's shipped to Gitmo:
"the Bush administration is exploring a more radical measure to protect information it says is vital to national security: the criminal prosecution of reporters under the espionage laws."
I seem to remember the administration or at least its flunkies to be all about freedom of the press with the Plame affair... now, thith the NSA and secret prisons, eh, not so much.
they should be just a couple hundred short of the ixxi count by then...
To this cabal, they were expendable.
They were ALL expendable.
I seem to remember the administration or at least its flunkies to be all about freedom of the press with the Plame affair... now, thith the NSA and secret prisons, eh, not so much.
IOKIYARS (It's Okay If You're A Republican Shill)
Woody: Sorry, I haven't trolled in here in a while. I know "SCLM" but what's "SCuM"? (no fair answering: "Uhhh, you are!")
StateCorporate(ur)Media...
follows from my premise that "In the Corporate State, corporate media are State Media...
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StateCorporate(ur)Media...
Or So-Called Unbiased Media.
"the Bush administration is exploring a more radical measure to protect information it says is vital to national security: the criminal prosecution of reporters under the espionage laws."
Time for these guys to get the hook. Seriously.
Rush Limbaugh deserves special treatment for his service to America, so stop saying he could go to jail. THe courts recognize he can best do his work for freedom while free.
They also think America's resolve will be shaken by the death os 2400 soldiers. We have just begun the fight
How many dead soldiers are you planning on, then?
Hey Thers!
Didja want this receipt for L'il Smokies in brown sugar and bacon sauce?
When do the dirty deed of April, become seven days in May?
I don't have room here to discuss the Biggest Problem, which is having political reporters covering policy issues. That's the single worst thing about the media today: Assigning someone whose instincts are "constituencies...polls...wedge issues...horse race...the Base" to cover something that requires expertise.
And why do they do this I wonder? Let's not bother the voters' silly heads with ideas and issues. Boring... That's part of the corporate thing in my opinion.
Rehab in jail with a 400 lb. cellmate named Animal who is hornier than a two-peckered billygoat.
Didja want this receipt for L'il Smokies in brown sugar and bacon sauce?
Surely!
Off to lunch now, tho...
Be nice to WH'ho. And no flirting!
Bush or a war crimes tribunal?
OK, lots to unpack in the responses, and I have to get my White House Correspondents Dinner attire ready (if you're watching C-SPAN, I'll be the one with the "WH'ho" headband).
1. Athenae, the GOP got a lot of play pre-1994 elections, is that what you're saying? Yes, you're right. You know why? Because they - with the help of centrist Democrats - killed off Clinton's efforts to lift the ban on openly gay folks serving in the military. So they made themselves more relevant than the Dems have this time around. And I'd point out that on September 10, 2001, the Dems were getting quite a lot of play.
2. Pie: "The war, especially, was waged on lies and deceit and fear-mongering. Come on, you guys could see that."
In fact, I read a lot of it. Right there on page A12 of the WaPo.
I don't really have the energy to re-discuss this issue, please forgive me. But one thing that has received relatively little attention is the impact of bad Afghanistan reporting on the Iraq reporting. Remember Johnny Apple's "quagmire" front page NYTimes piece early in the Afghan conflict? Yeah. That scared a lot of news outlets, because it was such an embarrassment.
I like your idea of punditland actually being a collective. That would explain a lot.
Limbaugh riding a turtle into the sunset!!!!
The SWBT Steering Committee consists of:
Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (ret), Chairman
Captain Charley Plumly, USN (ret)
Alvin A. Horne
Bill Lannom
John E. O'Neill, co-chairman
William E. Franke
Weymouth Symmes, Treasurer
Other Swift Boat veterans who have criticized Kerry include:
William L. Schachte Jr.
Alfred J. French III
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Here you go - remember to floss those arteries afterwards
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And I'd point out that on September 10, 2001, the Dems were getting quite a lot of play.
Too freaking true. But all sense of perspective was gone on 9/12, to our detriment.
Have fun at the dinner. Say hi to Joe and Valerie and tell them we're anxiously awaiting that indictment.
Thanks for the response, WH'ho. Appreciated.
A.
One last response (to Pie, of course! I play favorites!) and then I'm off to start the painfully long process of making myself purrrty.
Actually, think back to the debates about the 9/11 Commission and the creation of DHS. The Dems were way, way ahead on both of those issues.
Joe and Valerie? When Sela Ward is in attendance? You jest!
Creation of DHS? Think the jury's still out on that. Maybe if someone competent were running it...
Beeg, fat, apestoso owls.
so.
This review was helpful.
that last owl-post was me,
Yo disculparso for any confusion I may have caused.
so.
>It's true: the Busheviks were heading headlong into irrelvance on 9/10/01
which is why i will always think the dirty, shit-covered fingers of the regime were all over the ixxi events...
OK, last of the last:
Pie, no, I mean, post-9/11, the Dems were way ahead in the media on the creation of DHS. So much so that the WH went from opposing 100%, to caving, to making it their own issue with the labor stuff. But even after 9/11 the WH didn't dominate as much as people generally remember.
Beale makes an interesting point (way above). What I would say is that Blitzer has at least tried to do something that really deserves praise: Interview folks separately rather than having the boilerplate Dem vs GOP "panel." He's asked some pretty solid questions, called some BS into question, and generally done a decent job of at least trying to think outside the idiot box.
"the guy doesn't have time to really hone up on any story, let alone every single one that comes along. All he can really do is acquire a cursory knowledge of most issues and sound as if he knows what he is talking about."
This hits extraordinarily close to home. Appropriately, I mean.
Pie, no, I mean, post-9/11, the Dems were way ahead in the media on the creation of DHS.
which was SUCH a great idea...
which was SUCH a great idea...
I knew what he meant, but he missed my point, I guess.
If you come back, WH'ho, tell me why, if Bush was considered such an inept president prior to 9/11 (really, he wasn't taken seriously at all), he suddenly became the warrior on the aircraft carrier who could do no wrong.
Worst President Ever.
Remember that.
A corporate-controlled press is not a free press.
I couldn't agree more ... breaking the stranglehold of corporate media is Issue #1 for me.
Exactly. They are enemy number one, because they will put the NEXT Bush in power. Rudy and Hate Talk Express are already the front-runners for 2008, along with that snowcone in hell, Hillary.
It's true: the Busheviks were heading headlong into irrelvance on 9/10/01
Yeah, at that point Bush had the worst approval of any president in modern times at that stage of his presidency. And Enron was just getting going.
Lay this one at the Bush doorstep with regards to soaring oil prices and so gas prices:
Iraqi oil production is down by 50% or more sicne the war and that has hit the market hard.
Iraq was, I believe the second leading oil producer.
Well, let's see: we've made mortal enemies of the other big producers, Venezuela and Iran. If we hadn't got bogged down in Iraq, Bush(Cheney) would have been at war with either of those two by now.
Sometimes I think their incompetence is our only hope.
that "shoot someone in the face" comment is going to come back to haunt Atrios. I don't know why people throw around stuff like that unless they mean it. What about "puke in someone's face"? Seems a bit less criminal and a bit more graphic too.
The Toledo Blade WON A PULITZER in 2004 for its 22-article series on U.S. policy in Vietnam.
Those articles verified John Kerry's 1970 statements about what GIs were required to do in that country.
The Blade's series completely shattered the Swift Boaters assassination of Kerry's reputation.
Yet you couldn't get a single newspaper, pundit, or talk show to raise the issue. To put two and two together. Not Gwen Ifill, not Jim Lehrer -- no one.
They made decisions to discuss the Swift Boater's allegations as though true -- thus lending legitimacy.
The info to put that to rest was available. To watch Wash Week in Review, for instance, you'd think there had never been a Pulitzer Prize -- in a Presidential election year. Shills..
Packers: A.J. Hawk?
He's pretty much been their pick all along...
Eli | Homepage | 04.29.06 - 1:05 pm
Coulda gone in another direction. but it's the best pick for GB.
A real football player, period. Best fit for GB and Wisconsin personality-wise, too.
Hawk is one uuugly mofo, tho.
Eli | Homepage | 04.29.06 - 1:05 pm | #
You must like your LBs pretty. And he's not that bad, anyway, and a nice guy to boot.
Did you catch why he didn't attend the draft? After a too-hectic coupla weeks, Hawk said he didn't need the added stress, the hype, and preferred a quiet weekend with his family.
Class all the way. And the right priorities.
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