I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first!
fitzicuffs!
Don DeLillo! Michel Foucault! Scary Vagina! Thomas Pynchon! Slavoj Zizek!
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sleepless in LA
sleepless in LA
peterboy | 05.13.06 - 6:14 am | #
Insomniac in Austin.
...remember- Bill Clinton, (via prosecutor Patrick FItzgerald) successfully prosecuted more terrorists to win convictions with WTC and the embassy bombings, in 3 different legal systems, than Bush has to show combined post war on terra and mission accomplished.
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rorschach | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:12 am | #
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it will probably work. i am going to re-start "mason and dixon" in the near future, by the way. can't remember where i left off. it was like 5 years ago.
Frifth
Okay, sixth.
Bush has to show combined post war on terra and mission accomplished.
Mr.Murder | 05.13.06 - 6:15 am | #
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bush hasn't caught a single terrorist so far. unless you count the obviously insane moussaui.
it will probably work. i am going to re-start "mason and dixon" in the near future, by the way. can't remember where i left off. it was like 5 years ago.
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista! | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:15 am | #
Very cool! It is my favorite Pynchon novel... it has more heart than his other works.
i did the same thing with "gravity's rainbow". read about half of it, let it sit for a few years, then started again from the beginning.
"remember- Bill Clinton, (via prosecutor Patrick FItzgerald) successfully prosecuted more terrorists to win convictions with WTC and the embassy bombings, in 3 different legal systems, than Bush has to show combined post war on terra and mission accomplished"
So?
That's not the point.
Or is it?
Uhhhhhhh----I'm not sure what the point is anymore.
How long before the dollar tanks so bad people only work for labor?
We're talking payments in food and services. Barter system of sorts.
People form ad hoc collectives and a black market, sans taxes or bookeeping, thrives.
Eventually groups of hunter-gatherers may develop workable governing bodies from what is left...
i did the same thing with "gravity's rainbow". read about half of it, let it sit for a few years, then started again from the beginning.
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista! | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:20 am | #
Yeah, that one is quite a task. But I think it is to postmodern lit what Ulysses is to modernist lit.
Wake up. The Bush crowd wants military control of all spying agencies, for obvious reasons. What better way to get CIA then to personally pick the man to gut it, send in a few clowns to create a 'must clean house' situation, now Bush gets to act like he's taking charge while in fact he's proceeding according to plan.
The FBI is the only non-military group left, and they've been emasculated.
Folks, you are witnessing a craefully-planned takeover of our govt.
Wake up.
What a cordial and engaging way to begin a comment!
In fact we're kind of seeing that develop in NOLA right now...
The other point Rhodes was making about immigrants being shortchanged by contractors in the rebuild was really to the point as well.
A friend in the teamsters has been saying they need to legalize these people , he understands the market(a former floor trader) and knows why they want the two-tiered system of undocumented pay scales to exist.
i really like the two main characters in mason and dixon. they are a lot of fun. pynchon is fun. i didn't understand that when i started gravity's rainbow. (at that time it was his masterpiece.) in the interim i read the crying of lot 49 and v, and i realized that he is (among other things) kidding around a lot of the time.
Folks, you are witnessing a craefully-planned takeover of our govt.
Ya think??
well the dems originally thought Bush would fall on his face after stealing 2000, and they'd establish a supermajority Congress.
Then August 6th changed everything...
Hell, I've operated on the barter system for some time now. Only fools don't utilize it.
Oh.. morning.
Yeah, that one is quite a task. But I think it is to postmodern lit what Ulysses is to modernist lit.
rorschach | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:21 am | #
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still haven't read it. i'm intimidated by joyce. although i suspect that he may have done a fair ammount of kidding around too. i used to be intimidated by pynchon also.
Then August 6th changed everything...
Mr.Murder | 05.13.06 - 6:27 am | #
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i'm stealing that.
Maybe August 6th didn't change everything.
The fucking moron in charge that didn't understand what to do - that changed everything.
min`ute(min'it) n ... 3.a short p[eriod of time;moment(He'll be done in a minute).
mi`nute(my noot') adj very small; tiny.
The minute men have a usage error in their title. Mispronounced, not properly defined.
They are indeed small men.
how are you doing, barndog?
hiya dog! How goes the weekend?
Has the General sent the Minutemen an in vitation to parry and build their tenacious skills in Spartan Wrestling?
gravity's rainbow is (among other things) a rollicking good freaky book full of all kinds of weird shit which can be appreciated on many levels, many of which i'm sure i missed.
Maybe August 6th didn't change everything.
The fucking moron in charge that didn't understand what to do - that changed everything.
Barndog, Free Born Man | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:32 am | #
i beg to differ. i think the nit-wit-in-chief- did exactly what he was told to do---which is nothing.
it was the perfect way to put the fear of "terra" into people so they could push through their policies--all in the name of fighting the "terra" thus making it easier to gain control.
and you know what i think?
they ain't going anywhere. not any time soon.
her eyes, did you see Rhandy Rhodes on Larry King?
Rhandi*
her eyes, did you see Rhandy Rhodes on Larry King?
Mr.Murder | 05.13.06 - 6:38 am | #
no, i try to avoid the teevee.
it makes me crazy...
did i miss something? what happened?
Randi*
placing her in pantheon a bit early, apologies...
she laid a smackdown on several repuke talk radio hosts...
she laid a smackdown on several repuke talk radio hosts...
Mr.Murder | 05.13.06 - 6:41 am | #
about goddamn time somebody did.
i used to listen to wingnut radio because it used to make me laugh.
then it made me sad.
now, it infuriates me.
Don DeLillo! Michel Foucault! Scary Vagina! Thomas Pynchon! Slavoj Zizek!
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Didn't work. I'm heeeeeeeere!
her eyes - that could be correct too. I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories - so I never bought into this whole 'they set 911 up' ordeal.
Reality tells me, if that was the case and, enough of a percentage of America believed it - these fucks would be out of DC, and swinging in the wind from ropes still to this day.
i really like the two main characters in mason and dixon. they are a lot of fun. pynchon is fun. i didn't understand that when i started gravity's rainbow. (at that time it was his masterpiece.) in the interim i read the crying of lot 49 and v, and i realized that he is (among other things) kidding around a lot of the time.
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista!
Pynchon is indeed fun! And have you heard Mark Knopfler's song "Sailing to Philadelphia" (based on the novel)?
morning, all,
Warren Buffett is buying co's that are operating in currencies that rise as the US currency sinks. That pretty much cinches it doesn't it? Link is a DMNews business column by Danielle deMartino.
Gravity's Rainbow needs a lot of space, but as it was ending I was seeing this Oh,Yeah development and that was pretty intriguing. Enjoy.
Nothing else explains his sitting in that classroom.
Didn't work. I'm heeeeeeeere!
NTodd, Windizzle™ | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:42 am | #
And queer. But I'm used to it.
her eyes - that could be correct too. I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories - so I never bought into this whole 'they set 911 up' ordeal.
Reality tells me, if that was the case and, enough of a percentage of America believed it - these fucks would be out of DC, and swinging in the wind from ropes still to this day.
Barndog, Free Born Man | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:43 am | #
Barndog,
i'm honestly not sure that our so called "gov't" went so far as to actually plan the attacks, but i do fervently believe that whomever controls chimpy, be it the evil cheney fuck or the fat pig rove, saw this coming, and decided to use it to further their purposes.
that's just my opinion.
and i think you're right, that if enough people really thought they were behind the attacks, they would have their heads on pikes, as woody would say.
A federal lawsuit was filed in Manhattan yesterday seeking as much as $50 billion in civil damages against Verizon on behalf of its subscribers.
whee
What's funny is when someone comes in and issues debt promissories in AWOL's name as a provatised form of currency bailout.
They'll even mint one in Raygun's name and make it to be a (negative) three dollar bill.
I don't think I will be able to bear it if one American soldier shoots one pitiful, hungry, penniless immigrant at the border.
Now if they turned their rooty toots toward a few CEOs I might be more compliant.
Deer in the headlights. He had no clue what to fucking do. None.
Nothing else explains his sitting in that classroom.
Mr.Murder | 05.13.06 - 6:46 am | #
reading "my pet goat," for fuck's sake!
federal lawsuit was filed in Manhattan yesterday seeking as much as $50 billion in civil damages against Verizon on behalf of its subscribers.
that would be for letting our gov spy without a warrant
Gravity's Rainbow needs a lot of space, but as it was ending I was seeing this Oh,Yeah development and that was pretty intriguing. Enjoy.
Ruth | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:45 am | #
Yep. And it's interesting that Laurie Anderson based a song on the novel. And that "Trainspotting" lifted an entire scene from it.
as to 9/11 being an actual WH plot, I don't give them credit for anything beyond being blind to the threat that the intelligence community had been doggedly tracing since the first TwoTower incident.
her eyes - that's kind of where I am with it too. Didn't really know when, where or how - but knew it was coming.
They saw the writing on the wall, and took complete and utter advantage of it, and all of us.
I don't know if it's been asked yet - but how fucking long had the Patriot Act been drafted anyways, before it was actually put into law?
Anyone got clues to draw from? I haven't a single one.
Glad to see someone sue telecoms, I wrote a rant about that on huffpo quite a while back... even requested the ACLU to pursue it and use proceeds fgor war reparations, vet care, NGos, and continuing or pending cases.
It would be sweet to see them favc class action so massive a scale...
Deer in the headlights. He had no clue what to fucking do. None.
Barndog, Free Born Man | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:48 am | #
and you know what? i'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, that's for sure, but i know what i would've done.
i would have excused myself from that classroom, found out what was going on, and flown back to the white house.
not some "discrete" location like a dog with it's tail between it's legs.
I don't know if it's been asked yet - but how fucking long had the Patriot Act been drafted anyways, before it was actually put into law?
i really don't know, but i remember thinking..."gee, that was awfully quick.."
Reality tells me, if that was the case and, enough of a percentage of America believed it - these fucks would be out of DC, and swinging in the wind from ropes still to this day.
Barndog
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And reality tells me even if it smelled to high heaven, America wouldn't allow themselves to believe it.
It was such a wierd thing to do, go spend the night in Florida and appear next day in a classroom of teenies reading Goat. More like something you send the first lady to do. So visible and far away from Washington and safely in your brother's state.
They saw the writing on the wall, and took complete and utter advantage of it, and all of us.
Trifecta!
I mean - isn't that thing like 1400 pages or some crap?
That doesn't happen overnight you know.
The book of my dreams is John Fowles' 'Daniel Martin'.
CNN poll;
Which man would you say was more honest as president?
President Bush 25% 9499 votes
President Clinton 75% 28611 votes
Total: 38110 votes
so I never bought into this whole 'they set 911 up' ordeal.
While still on the fence, I have to admit to suspicions from the beginning.
I remember thinking on that fatefull morning that congress was supposed to meet for a defense appropriations adjustment in a couple of days. it also seemed to me that the press was just beginning to get a little testy,
Regardless of direct or indirect, or no complicity at all, the criminals in chief took advantage of the situation to accomplish what a terrorist could only dream, and that PNAC, had their Pearl Harbor.
Oh and top of the morn' all.
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The book of my dreams is John Fowles' 'Daniel Martin'.
That is a good one. I also like "A Maggot."
Hell, I like all of his stuff.
Martial law had been declared in Florida that week.
Massive stock selloffs. People in executive branch cancelling flights.
Mossad trailing, five other nations warned us, Tenet traveled across the country...
Operation Northwoods, Florida faction of CIA people planned as much. Staging from an Alabama Air Guard facility to train Bay of Pigs assets...
one other question, and i have to leave...
what are we going to do? what if the elections process is gone as we know it?
how are we going to get rid of the stench of this assministration? look at everything we know about..what sort of mechanisms have they contrived that we *don't" know about?
ok, that was four questions, but they are all related...
Mr. Murder, you should post that "minute men" thing at Orcinus. I think Mr. Neiwert would get a laugh out of it. 
box turtles party to NSA suit.
Funny that Biush went to Bama for mail sorting... direct mail was Rove and Reed's pet project. Wonder how many King=Commies AWOL personally pamhpleted or mailed back in the day?
not some "discrete" location like a dog with it's tail between it's legs.
her eyes
At every point that this country cried out for leadership, the pussy in chief ran. Where is he now that people are hurting with gas prices? He's out talking about stalking poor brown people who his base wants to exploit as slave labor. Fucking asshole.
Leave? But you just got here!
Dammit, Jim!
Send his wat Interro. It's what the community is for.
I don't know if it's been asked yet - but how fucking long had the Patriot Act been drafted anyways, before it was actually put into law?
Anyone got clues to draw from? I haven't a single one.
IIRC, we were talking about a 500-1000 page piece of legislation that most of the congresscritters had little if no time to read....which leads me to suspect that it had been mostly completed by the time of the attack.
don't quite feel like doing a bunch of research on the subject just now.
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Gravity's Rainbow needs a lot of space, but as it was ending I was seeing this Oh,Yeah development and that was pretty intriguing. Enjoy.
Ruth | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:45 am | #
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the whole thing with easter sunday and april fool's day and the launching of the rocket coinciding was really good. i have developed a personal tradition of reading "the crying of lot 49" every april fool's day. it would be more appropriate to read "gravity's rainbow", but it's too long.
Star Trek one liners... beam me up Foggo...
Kent - How does this sound. We're getting together at a Thai place this week with NTodd (who has promised to wear pants!), why don't we arrange to have dinner with you at the same place. It is convenient to all, and everybody seems to like Thai.
"i really don't know, but i remember thinking..."gee, that was awfully quick.."
They have been working on taking over the gov as we know it for decades and getting ready for when they had all the power. All that repug money for all those think tanks and foundations and financed religious schools, and hired religious thugs like Reed and Falwell, and the destruction of the public schools, and propaganda, and hijacking the elections in key states, and cutting of social supports, and tax cuts for the rich, and whittling of real wages for twenty five years, didn't just happen but was well planned to wait for the opportunity. If they could get the people to believe that the problem with the country was "welfare" and those damned people who didn't work, they could win. And they have. Now they believe the problem is the immigrants fault.
I mean - isn't that thing like 1400 pages or some crap?
That doesn't happen overnight you know.
Barndog, Free Born Man | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:54 am | #
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i think it was more than 2000 pages long. it materialized and was passed into law within a month and a half of that fateful day, august 6, 2001.
Someoe says Hayden's former NSA right hand man was big with MZM/Dukestir.
Bush appointing an insider to cover it up.
Now they believe the problem is the immigrants fault.
Maybe they believe it, but they need those brown votes. That is, once we give the vote to illegals.
9-12-01 Cheney strips from record appropriations steereed to Afghanistan via State(43 million worth).
The biggest con job in the history of the republic? The selling of GW Bush.
Future historians will go ape shit trying to cypher this one out.
Can someone give an estimate as to how long it is going to take some grown ups to straighten out Smirks massive fuck ups and is America so fuckin brain dead it can't recover?
See some hope in the youth, but the complacencey is troubling.
"Maybe they believe it, but they need those brown votes. That is, once we give the vote to illegals."
Of course but as you will notice, the repugs always have both sides of all issues and it has worked very well.
That's a good way to celebrate April Fool's olaf, i may have to try that.
What to do about the destruction of our country is pretty intimidating, but the answer isn't just 'go vote' anymore.
QL,
Sounds wonderful, I like Thai, only one condition, I must have the same seat that NTodd sat in, so I can sniff it!
Seriously, I wish I had booked the window to coincide with his appearence, and in which borough does the restaurant reside?
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They're trying to triangulate Ahnuld, get him into Consitution to run and win the vote over at the same time. WIth Cali, Florida, Texas, Ohio, they could lose the rest of country and still control White House.
We're getting together at a Thai place this week with NTodd (who has promised to wear pants!),
I suspect an impostor. NTodd would never agree to such stringent conditions!
9-11 was an inside job. you can't actually do that sort of thing unless lots of people are not doing what they are supposed to do.
Constitution*
AM typos, errrrr!
The "30 seats lost in House" stories are to try and electrify the gooper base.
Look how desperate they are:
-Minute Men stories
-Mary Cheney faux outrage
-ridiculous tax cut
-another giveaway to oil for refineries in Senate was the topic of committee yesterday
The biggest con job in the history of the republic? The selling of GW Bush.
Future historians will go ape shit trying to cypher this one out.
Hey, back off! Bush is a great president.
He caught a really, really big perch!
NTodd with pants?
Better had be some disco cordoroy I see...
That's a good way to celebrate April Fool's olaf, i may have to try that.
-ruth
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you can read lot 49 in a day. and it is an excercize in (or celebration of) authorial leg pulling.
(it occurs to me that you can tell whether i am drinking or not by how often i use parentheses. [i disdain them while sober]).
I suspect an impostor. NTodd would never agree to such stringent conditions!I suspect an impostor. NTodd would never agree to such stringent conditions!
I was young and needed the money.
And now I gotta go finish packing. Whee!
' [i disdain them while sober]).
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista! '
[offers Olaf coffee]
power nap beckons, sans decaf
[offers Olaf coffee]
Ruth | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:20 am | #
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coffee? that stuff'll kill ya.
(cracks beer [lights smoke]).
fuck you, haloscan! that should read (cracks beer [lights smoke {inhales deeply}]).
How do you crack a beer?
How do you crack a beer?
Ruth | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:34 am | #
It's kinda like cracking a joke, but different.
Okay, this rabbi and a priest and a imam walk into a bar ... how'm I doing? [Gotta run out for beer to see if it works.]
One of the dumber comments of the week was from Mary Cheney. She was "furious" and "never imagined that there were people who would try to use me and my sexual orientation for their own political benefit."
Mary, puleez!
you fucktards need a life
what a waste of good bandwidth
no wonder the Republicans have our govt.
I think Georgie stopped shaving that spot between his eyebrows. Or did I just notice?
Let's Show The World What The Real America Is All About
THE PURPOSE OF THE DATABASE IS TO FACILITATE MASS DEPORTATIONS,ONE UNDESIRABLE GROUP AT A TIME-THIS WILL BE POSSIBLE ONLY IF THERE IS NO CITIZEN RESISTANCE TO ALL MASS DEPORTATIONS FROM DAY 1
the patriot act was on the shelf for years already.it was simply whipped out repeatedly when current paranoia seemed to favor passage.so dascle and lehey tried to block it ...and they got anthraxed.no other persons were specifically targeted with anthrax.they had to leave washington,go into quarantine,and while they were confined,patriot was passed.the anthrax was subsequently traced to a weponised government strain...
i hope people don't think i'm a troll...
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