I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hey, Dick, go back to Russia!
segundo?
It's one thing to propose this nonsense in the heat of battle, quite another to continue it after the emergency has ended.
He loves the money. He must, considering how much of it he's stollen.
In order to save the country, we must consider everyone within it a terrorist, until they can prove otherwise.
It's the only way to be sure. And safe.
I checked out Truthout and the Rove indictment story is there but I haven't seen another source for it.
Chimpy dropped the word "mining" in his radio address this morning
We are not trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans.
But Dick Cheney just LOVES his lesbian daughter -- so he really must be a nice guy at heart.
What a minute - WHAT heart?
As I'd speculated in my post yesterday, "All Your Phone Numbers Are Belong To Us", perhaps this started before the Patriot Act even went into effect late Oct. of '01. It's as if they had this strategy all lined up in advance, no?
“The dolts at F.B.I. headquarters could not get it together to search Zacarias Moussaoui's computer before 9/11, but now we have the F.B.I. searching the C.I.A.”
Let’s get Dowd-y behind the firewall, shall we?
Cheney is the one. He is the biggest traitor in htis country. Junior is just a face, cheney has the ideas.
I'd like to see his shotgun misfire. Just once.
LAY OFF THE COFFEE ATRIOS!
We are not trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans.
P O'Neill
Only because they have over a trillion records from AT&T alone. They still need to hire the extra analysts.
So, no, they aren't trolling through our lives. Not yet.
Dick Cheney hates life period.
In order to save the country, we must consider everyone within it a terrorist, until they can prove otherwise.
But then only terrorists would have guns.
Wait, they already do.
What Cheney dreams about
It's only parody if it rings of truth, and he's a sick fuck.
3 posts in 15 minutes...Atrios wants our DEATH...HE'S ONE OF THEM!
Eschaton...Echelon...
Sorry, this is OTT, but ...
Please don’t forget Francine Busby’s run-off election is on June 6. She needs your support and $$.
I recently attended a fundraiser for her at a friend’s house. She spoke candidly about many issues: Iraq invasion, healthcare, education, corruption, etc. I was particularly impressed by her stand on Iraq war – it was wrong to attack Iraq and we should leave Iraq now.
Busby emphasized the fact that nothing will change in Washington unless the Congress changes hands.
I think a Busby win on June 6 will help tremendously. Please consider helping her win.
http://www.busbyforcongress.org
Dick Cheney hates life period.
Moonbootica, Buffy Geek
He and the rest of his nest of the un-dead. Richard Perle, Wolfie. I ask you, isn't what they do worse than vampirism? Why not?
"What kind of father would take his own daughters rights away? What kind of father would hate his own daughter if she were gay"
-Pink, Indigo girls.
Hey, did you hear the one about the “Prevention of Fraudulent Access to Phone Records Act,” that disappeared from the House schedule two weeks ago?
I'll be here all week. Be sure and call your Mom!!
Bye by Hummer. They are going to stop making the original model while keepng the other two versions.
When Atrios' coffee kicks in, watch out!
OT: Uzbek leader silences critics of massacre
Islam Karimov, the hardline President of Uzbekistan, will come under new pressure to allow an independent investigation into well-documented claims that his troops murdered at least 500 people last year. A year ago today, his soldiers opened fire on a crowd of unarmed civilians, including women and children, in the eastern town of Andijan.
Today, activists will rally outside 10 Downing Street to press the British Government to step up pressure on Mr Karimov, while human rights groups are lobbying Washington and Brussels to get tough with Tashkent over the incident, which has come to be known as the Andijan massacre.
The killings have divided the international community and seen Uzbekistan, a strategically important, gas-rich central Asian country that borders Afghanistan, become a pariah state in the West. The European Union and the United States have expressed grave doubts about the legality of the events of 13 May 2005 and have called, so far in vain, for an independent inquiry.
Theres a local election today for our city council and school board. I have not been able to figure out who to vote for, as they all are right wingers.
I may have to skip this one. This town I live in is long about 95-5 wingnut.
Mr. Black, please slow down slightly in your posting, it is a weekend and we are therefore more lightly staffed.
Thanks,
So if GWB is a troll, which one is he?
Slower posting also leads to higher hit counts on a thread and more troll heads exploding.
In the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser argued that the National Security Agency should intercept purely domestic telephone calls and e-mail messages without warrants in the hunt for terrorists
In other news, the National Mall has been renamed Red Square and the White House will now be referred to as the Kremlin.
"We felt it was time these American icons and symbols of government better reflected the administration's policy initiatives," said White House press secretary Tony Snow.
He's the fucking Ultimate Mr. Potter.
So if GWB is a troll, which one is he?
THe one that sits under the bridge?
This is news?
OT: How many goddamn lawnmowers and miscellaneous motor-powered lawn-and-garden-care devices can there be in Havertown?
Too goddamn many. Yes, it is spring and there's been some rain lately. But it seems as if there has been a non-stop cacophony of mowers and cutters and edgers and trimmers and blowers and chippers and whackers each evening and on weekends.
This one is nearby; I can smell the clippings.
Ironically, until I moved last year I'd lived for twenty years in a ground-floor crackerbox apartment facing the complex's parking lot, across from a SEPTA light rail yard. I assumed that relocating to my parents' former home would mean escape from perpetual grinding mechanical noises.
Meanwhile, the first mower has stopped-- and another one is sputtering to life somewhere among the properties abutting my back yard.
PS: I use a landscaping service, myself. I warned my siblings that I had no predilection for yard work or gardening...
Mr. Goss's departure, after a season spent sulking about losing the president's ear to John Negroponte, has opened the window on a whole new level of incompetence, turf wars, corruption and wackiness. Now we see that the C.I.A. was mired not only in professional mistakes, but also in a complete lack of personal and personnel judgment. The more you know about the people Mr. Goss put in top positions, the scarier it gets.
- from the Snarky Wench Modo
What a minute - WHAT heart?
David Ehrenstein
His heart was removed and translated to a shrine at the Yale Skull and Bones. He's got the heart of a pig beating inside him, keeping his evil brain working. Ever see "The Talons of Wang Chiang,"?
OT: Chavez preaches socialism to European summit
The Venezuelan leader, Hugo Chavez, yesterday paved the way for a politically-explosive visit to London this weekend as lambasted Tony Blair's brand of free market economics and said Europe should note the rise of socialism in Latin America.
Mr Chavez's rhetoric put him centre stage at a summit in Vienna as he claimed that "neoliberalism has begun its decline and has come to an end" and that "a new era has begun in Latin America."
The comments raised the temperature following the decision by Bolivia's new President Evo Morales - who is an ally of Mr Chavez - to nationalise his county's oil and gas. Venezuela is increasing taxes on foreign investors in its massive energy sector.
for smalfish: tiny kittens to make you smile
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogg...ndo-
picture.jpg
Anyone know about the rumor that Halliburton was given the job of making 'camps' within the US for an undisclosed need? I read a reference to this maybe a year or so ago.
Now they're using spy satellites on us.
So says Lt. General Clapper of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
I thought they ran that out of Burpelson AFB.
I'm usually the first to shoot down a conspiracy theorist but the fact that the administration has used 9/11 to focus more on their fascist DOMESTIC agenda than on an effective foreign policy has me wondering about the event.
-Osama Bin Ladin not captured after 5 years
-More terrorist acts world wide
-Exploding oil profits
-Erosion of the Constitution
-Promotion of domestic police power in the name of counter terrorism.
His heart was removed and translated to a shrine at the Yale Skull and Bones.
They're keeping his heart inside Geronimo's skull!?
That's just wrong.
His heart was removed and translated to a shrine at the Yale Skull and Bones.
Cheney's heart right next to Geronimo's skull.
OT but lovely Saturday Niece Blogging and in case you missed it last night The George and Heidi show 
Shaking fist at rorschach! 
Mr Chavez's rhetoric put him centre stage at a summit in Vienna as he claimed that "neoliberalism has begun its decline and has come to an end" and that "a new era has begun in Latin America."
History doesn't look so dead, does it, moonbootica. Having the CIA all tied up in Iraq might have one good side to it.
Buy Citgo.
Moonbootica, Buffy Geek: what did you think of Dune ?
Now they're using spy satellites on us.
I read that earlier.
I did'nt see anything in it to piss me off.
At least not too badly.
tiny kittens to make you smile
Kittens really are'nt my thing. Now, winguts head exploding......that's a whole 'nuther thing.
Shaking fist at rorschach!
attaturk | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 12:50 pm | #
Bwahahahaha!!
There's no skull at that Yale club, and Prescott Bush had nothing to do with obtaining it.
They're keeping his heart inside Geronimo's skull!?
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That's like Satan's conceptual art.
Bwahahahaha!!
rorschach
Um, hum?
olvlzl yes while two places sucks up all the focus of a major powers like the US (Iraq and Iran), places like S America see the opportunity to forge their own path.
with a resurgent Russia and the ongoing China story, well the future is looking a lot different from what the Neocons imagined it would be.
Kittens really are'nt my thing. Now, winguts head exploding......that's a whole 'nuther thing.
Note to self: Rent "Scanners" again.
Somehow, I need to fight off this lethargy. I really need to get up and do some stuff.
Cheney is messed up. If he were rational, he would quit and focus full time on his health. Lord knows he's got enough money.
plantsman the book or the movie?
Snarly Dick loves money.
That's his god,
Moonbootica - the book, primarily; the movie (s)
if you care to.
Frankly, now. Am I going too arch for posting?
I'm usually the first to shoot down a conspiracy theorist but the fact that the administration has used 9/11 to focus more on their fascist DOMESTIC agenda than on an effective foreign policy has me wondering about the event.in the name of counter
Yanagi Bocho
9/11/01 = Inside Job
I liked the Dune novel, amazing parrales with the current events today and I love the way he mixes in middle eastern type cultures with a byzantine feel.
very intricate details.
Cheney is messed up. If he were rational, he would quit and focus full time on his health. Lord knows he's got enough money.
Raoul Paste | 05.13.06 - 12:53 pm | #
I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode in which she paints Mr. Burns's portrait (nude), and the reaction of one of the teachers:
"He's evil, but he'll die, so I like it."
Money, get back.
I’m all right jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, it’s a hit.
Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit.
I’m in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a lear jet.
i have not seen the movie version of Dune but I have watched the Sci Fi channel's mini series.
I want to see Bush wind up alone, shunned and drinking himself to death.
Morning.
Who fucked up our country today?
i have not seen the movie version of Dune but I have watched the Sci Fi channel's mini series.
Moonbootica, Buffy Geek
"I WILL kill him!"
Ooops - sorry.
I liked the Dune novel, amazing parrales with the current events today and I love the way he mixes in middle eastern type cultures with a byzantine feel.
I just started rereading that series. Just for that exact reason.
Against the power of BushCo, there can be no victory. We must join with him, we must join with BushCo.
Tell me, old friend, when did Lieberman abondon reason for madness?
You might not have to wait very long for something in Cheney to explode. Have you noticed how much this guy is sleeping?
Has anyone heard him speak lately? He hasn't had a new thought in years.
I give Cheney about 6 more months then boom. Who would bush replace him with?
I want to see Bush wind up alone, shunned and drinking himself to death.
Terry C, One of the 71%
You're already good for two out of three.
Anyone know about the rumor that Halliburton was given the job of making 'camps' within the US for an undisclosed need?
here
or
here
google search
.
Dick Cheney hates this country.
And this country hates him right back.
(out of breath)
just got new Harper's.
just opened new Harper's to Greg Palast centerpiece.
In it Palast claims Chavez is going to demand OPEC recognize Venezuela has amazingly more oil than is officially recognized, in fact much more than the Saudi do, and that there is reason to believe him. Demand supposed to be at June 1st meeting.
Also, a positively retarded article by this Spiegelman idiot; the Zionists are still trying to stretch out the cartoon thing. Will they ever stop milking it? Will they ever admit that the controversy was not about cartoons but the Danish government's double and triple standards?
The "good guyd - bad guys" telcos list according to AmericBlog:
BAD GUYS
- Verizon land-line: "We have been in full compliance with the law and we are committed to our customers' privacy."
- AT&T land-line: "Our customers expect, deserve and receive nothing less than our fullest commitment to their privacy. We also have an obligation to assist law enforcement and other government agencies responsible for protecting the public welfare, whether it be an individual or the security interests of the entire nation."
- BellSouth land-line: "We have not provided any information we would need a subpoena for."
GOOD GUYS(supposedly)
- Qwest
- Verizon Wireless: "Verizon Wireless is not involved in this situation."
- T-Mobile: "T-Mobile is not a participant in any NSA program for warrant-less surveillance and acquisition of call records. T-Mobile has not provided any such access to communications or customer records."
- Vigin Mobile: "We have not provided our customers numbers or records to anyone."
- Cox: "We have received your recent email regarding the NSA and calling information. Please be assured that Cox has not had any involvement in this program and does not supply customer phone or Internet records to the NSA."
UNCLEAR
- Comcast: "It is not company policy to provide the federal government access to customer records or the ability to monitor customer communications in the absence of valid legal process."That is a non-answer from Comcast. And what's worse, it's actually the same answer we're getting from AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, which we already know from the USA Today article are voluntarily invading their customers' privacy. So where does Comcast really stand? Time to ask them to get a clear answer rather than legal mumbo-jumbo.
OTHER UNCLEAR
Cingular Wireless,Sprint,MCI,RCN cable phone
"What kind of father would take his own daughters rights away? What kind of father would hate his own daughter if she were gay"
Mary Cheney's rights will never be taken away. The Republican morality police's policies only apply to the "little people" - not to sell-outs, law-breakers, hypocrites, perverts, cheaters and two-face liars with important political connections.
Tell me, old friend, when did Lieberman abondon reason for madness?
catalexis | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 12:56 pm | #
Lieberman has long been one of civilization's discontents.
I pray God, gives dick, everything he deserves.
I want to see Bush wind up alone, shunned and drinking himself to death.
Terry C, One of the 71%
With a big ol' ZZ Top scraggly Jesus beard.
OT: Woman uses genetic screening to ensure baby is free of cancer
A woman has become pregnant using genetic screening to ensure her baby does not carry a form of hereditary cancer.
The woman, who wishes to remain anonymous, is thought to have used IVF treatment despite not having fertility problems. According to The Times, doctors ensured the woman did not pass on a form of hereditary eye cancer.
Doctors at the University College London were able to remove a cell and test it for the cancer gene, in order that only an unaffected embryo could be transferred to the woman's womb.
The couple are thought to be the first to take advantage of the government's recent relaxation of rules allowing screening for eye cancer, which came into effect last year.
For RM Jeffers, if he's still around (originally posted to dead thread below):
Oh, they just tried to tell us the "eye of the needle" was a very narrow gate into Jerusalem that a heavily laden camel couldn't pass through. The implication being you could get into heaven with riches, just not will all of them.
This very same bit of pseudo-theology features in one of Robertson Davies' Deptford books (I think it's "The Manticore"). All this time I thought Davies made it up himself.
Yea Yanagi:
-Osama Bin Ladin not captured after 5 years
-More terrorist acts world wide
-Exploding oil profits
-Erosion of the Constitution
-Promotion of domestic police power in the name of counter terrorism.,
you see a pattern developing?
9/11/01 = Inside Job
Terry C, One of the 71%
I don't think it as complex as some theories claim.
Cheney/Bush reads that Bin Ladin is going to fly a plane into a building. They talk to their buddies in Saudi Arabia who pass it on to Bin Ladin.
They set up the window for the attack with the promise that they'll let Bin Ladin slip through their fingers after the fact.
Simple.
Sorry to hear about Mr. Tena's cousin, Tena.
very intricate details.
Me too. In fact when my sister recommended it to me when I was a teen, I didn't get it at all. But when I went back and found this whole alternate universe, I was completely satisfied and blown away. If you haven't pursued the series to it's end in Chapterhouse: Dune , consider it. You'd make a hell of a Bene Gesserit!
I'm usually the first to shoot down a conspiracy theorist
Yanagi, my friend, I recently had my skull replaced with titanium plates with tinfoil lining.
I have been told that the new arrangement is "bullet proof"
Not looking to test the proposition, just sayin'.
.
Who would bush replace him with?
Hopefully, a rag mop. It would at least be capable of doing something that might benefit the ordinary American.
Comcast: "It is not company policy to provide the federal government access to customer records or the ability to monitor customer communications in the absence of valid legal process."
I believe that comcast is obligated, under the patriot act to comply with all governmnet demands to hand over whatever info they want.
How can a Vice President continue to receive income from a defense contractor that continues to receive no-bid government contracts?
It's weird. All this recent discovery of corruption and bribery...and, look, it's been going on in the VP's office for YEARS.
Well it's mutual - the country hates him, too.
Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't leave pretty soon.
I can't believe Poppy, who I think hates him, hasn't pressured Junior already. Maybe he has - or maybe they ain't speaking.
And this country hates him right back.
Neponset
The screamfest dickheads love to portray Al Gore as a laughingstock. Are his approval numbers in the goddamned teens like Darth Fudd's have been for a long time?
WTF is wrong with this country?
A woman has become pregnant using genetic screening to ensure her baby does not carry a form of hereditary cancer.
Bu...bu..but, that's interfering with God's will.
Genetic screening and amniocentesis are 'search and destroy missions'."
/fundie assholes
I swear, I heard an anti-choice nut actually use that term.
Those people are fucking insane!
P O'Neill | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 12:40 pm | #
This struck me as odd too. How would Chimpy even know words like "trolling" and data-mining" unless he'd approved them to someone who'd explained what they meant?
The couple are thought to be the first to take advantage of the government's recent relaxation of rules allowing screening for eye cancer, which came into effect last year.
Moonbootica
that's sick..baby selecting..pure race...eugenics
I pray God, gives dick, everything he deserves.
tbsa | 05.13.06 - 12:58 pm | #
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I don't really trust god to take care of that. I think we should give it to him ourselves.
I missed something(surprise!). What happened to Mr.Tena?
Hello again, moonbats. Here's hoping the antibiotics start to kick in, soon...
The screamfest dickheads love to portray Al Gore as a laughingstock. Are his approval numbers in the goddamned teens like Darth Fudd's have been for a long time?
WTF is wrong with this country?
Max Planck
I'd love to see Al give it another shot!
We could do worse.
Remember Richard Clarke noting the pressure Cheney was putting on the intel agencies?
Suppose we could get the House to start impeachment proceedings against Cheney?
I've read all of Dune save for the last few prequels. Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse Dune, House Atreides, House Harkonnen. Great universe, love the intrique, pure escapist nightmare stuff.
The David Lynch "Dune" is quirky and odd, but the intricacy and feel of the books is there. Rent it some night you've got a couple of nice bottles of wine. I think the adherance to the books and the
look of the movie will startle you.
just got new Harper's
The article on the history of the Stab-in-the-Back legend is a must-read. It traces its use in American politics from Nixon (who gets my vote hands down as the worst American political figure of the second half of the 20th Century, easily beating out McCarthy and Kissinger) to the present day. Check it out...
Rate rise fears send world markets into tailspin
Share prices tumbled across the world yesterday as fears mounted that the record surge in commodities prices would force central banks to raise interest rates.
The FTSE 100 was one of the biggest casualties, suffering its biggest points fall in more than three years. World markets were also hurt by the falling value of the US dollar, which hit its lowest level for a year against the pound and euro.
The rout was triggered by a slump on Wall Street, where the Dow suffered its worst fall for five months on Thursday night.
The FTSE 100 closed down 129.9 points at 5,912.1, a fall of 2.15 per cent - the biggest one-day fall for almost exactly two years in percentage terms. The last time there was a bigger points fall was 12 March 2003, when it lost 165.7.
The sell-off travelled around the world, with Tokyo and Hong Kong suffering losses of about 1.5 per cent before the rout reached the shores of Europe.
"I recently had my skull replaced with titanium plates with tinfoil lining."
That's the problem, you should have used *mu* metal. (a real product, look it up)
Mary Cheney's rights will never be taken away. The Republican morality police's policies only apply to the "little people" - not to sell-outs, law-breakers, hypocrites, perverts, cheaters and two-face liars with important political connections.
Stinky
Exactly. Neo-cons and their shills love to pooh-pooh the "class warfare" meme, and to the extent that it's not really a war that is true. But Cheney and his crowd truly believe in the old Astor/Morgan/Rockefeller view that America should exist for the benefit of big business, with the rich as the aristocracy running the country and the rest of us properly grateful for whatever Big Business deigns to give us.
The aristocracy can do whatever they want, and the rest of us can look forward to a pre-FDR dog-eat-dog social milieu, heavy on Social Darwinism and Calvinist "wealth is the sign of God's approval" thinking.
plantsman i shall keep that in mind
Sorry to hear about Mr. Tena's cousin, Tena.
Terry C
Thanks. Mr. Tena isn't here. His sister called and I talked to her. When Mr. Tena left to run errands, he thought there was still a chance. I'm going to have to tell him and I dread it. They are a really close family - they all grew up together. The whole family spent summers together on a lake in Wisconsin.
I'm not looking forward to this.
WTF is wrong with this country?
Max Planck
Too many of them are backwoods, brainless wonders who just don't pay attention to jack shit.
An end-run around congenital eye cancer, eh?
What's the matter, doesn't she trust the Intelligent Designer?
Doesn't she understand that there's a place for eye cancer in the Grand Design?
Suppose we could get the House to start impeachment proceedings against Cheney?
strawhat
I'd prefer to see the SOB step too close to a microwave.
It's amazing how many people will consider something perfectly legal based solely on the white house's interpretation of the powers of the president during what they consider a period of war.
The president loved making that term during that one interview, "I'm a war president, I'm a war president." The use of that phrase sounded so macabre in the way he was using it. Clearly he was sending a message that had been grilled into him. There are two different levels of presidential power, during peace and during war.
From this point on everytime someone says we are at war they need to be contested on that fact. We are no more at war on terror than we were on drugs when *that* war was going on too.
It's getting annoying that a metaphorical war on a tactic/strategy that everyone enploys is somehow a *war* that must be treated the same way we would as during let's saw WW2.
It's like saying we're at war with walking or at war with breathing heavy. Everyone does it thus there's no way we can say it's something that justifies a dictatorship.
November can't come fast enough. I want this congress under control now! I want the investigations started now! I want the light shone into every crevice of these people's hellhole now!
MYOB'
.
We always thought Spiegelman was a ditz but his piece is damning any chance of his to be taken seriously again by thinking people.
that's sick..baby selecting..pure race...eugenics
I want to see Bush wind up alone, shunned and drinking himself to death.
The guy isn't fit to run a fMcDonalds, so he's not going to get any corporate board jobs. And he can't speak worth a tinker's damn, so that rules out speaking engagements. He doesn't think, so that rules out starting a think tank. He's never learned anything, so that rules out teaching. He's a selfish SOB, so that rules out philanthropy.
I just think it would be an odd historical irony if the USA goes Communist after the fall of the Soviet Union. It has a feel to it of some sort of queer poetic belly laugh.
I have this funny feeling that Mr. Cheney will not complete this second term.
I believe that after the November elections it is quite likely he will resign for health reasons.
I'd prefer to see the SOB step too close to a microwave.
Terry C, One of the 71%
And here I was thinking I was the only person thinking of the "rigged microwave fries the pacemaker" idea.
Great minds really do think alike!
Mary Cheney's rights will never be taken away. The Republican morality police's policies only apply to the "little people" - not to sell-outs, law-breakers, hypocrites, perverts, cheaters and two-face liars with important political connections.
Stinky
They ARE like Hitler.
Whenever people Hitler liked had any Jewish blood, so he had their genealogical papers altered to "change" that.
Well it's like this Draco, like Tom the Dancing Bug revealed, Bush really is a double personality, and the 'internets' including the ALTERNATE one you don't know anything about, are something that HE actually invented while messing around in the W.H. basement, and he's just asuper geek with linguistic/statistics algroithms. He worked on SVD and hyper-ridge regression software as a *sophomore*.
that's sick..baby selecting..pure race...eugenics
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 1:01 pm | #
Um, yeah.
The David Lynch "Dune" is quirky and odd, but the intricacy and feel of the books is there. Rent it some night you've got a couple of nice bottles of wine. I think the adherance to the books and the
look of the movie will startle you.
plantsman | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 1:04 pm | #
I like that film a lot. But I still get pissed off by the stupid "weirding devices" or whatever the fuck they're called.
ciao dinner calls me away
Neo-cons and their shills love to pooh-pooh the "class warfare" meme, and to the extent that it's not really a war that is true.
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The scream the accsation of class warfare at anyone who dares to point out that they are, in fact, waging one.
It's pretty telling that in their notion of Class Warfre, the victims are the upper classes.
I just think it would be an odd historical irony if the USA goes Communist after the fall of the Soviet Union. It has a feel to it of some sort of queer poetic belly laugh.
catalexis
Fascist, not communist.
This struck me as odd too. How would Chimpy even know words like "trolling" and data-mining" unless he'd approved them to someone who'd explained what they meant?
Draco
The pardoned felon Poindexter was, I'm sure, very happy to explain.
I think Al Gore would have handled the Oval Office quite effectively in 2000. I just don't know about his chances in 2008. I love how he's separated himself from the hideous DLC, judging from the content of his recent speeches.
I welcome our new scientific overlords!
Odd that the Press Telegram's article about the camps has completely vanished, including from the Google cache.
They have released the moronic hordes to defend their illegal spying activities.
I'd love to see Al give it another shot!
If McCain's not too old to run (he'll be 74 in 200
, then I don't see why Gore couldn't run, too.
I just think it would be an odd historical irony if the USA goes Communist after the fall of the Soviet Union. It has a feel to it of some sort of queer poetic belly laugh.
catalexis
You have no idea how many times it has occurred to me that the backlash against this GOP could go all the way and how fucking ironic that would be.
I'd prefer to see the SOB step too close to a microwave.
Terry C, One of the 71% | 05.13.06 - 1:05 pm | #
I.e. inside the microwave.
I've read all of Dune save for the last few prequels. Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse Dune, House Atreides, House Harkonnen. Great universe, love the intrique, pure escapist nightmare stuff.
Frank Herbert's mind astonishes me. The prequels are a lower order of literature, but Herbert is such a hard act to follow. I actually made an oyster stew demanded by Darwi Odrade of her cook in Chapterhouse.
The scream the accsation of class warfare at anyone who dares to point out that they are, in fact, waging one.
They're not just waging one. They're crushing the opposition.
That's the problem, you should have used *mu* metal. (a real product, look it up)
Dammitt!!!
maybe I'll try it when it is time to change the oil.
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FWIW, I hated the David Lynch version.
The SciFi Network version, probably done with less money (in constant dollars) and less well-known actors, was much truer to the spirit of the book.
And the portrayal of Jessica in the Lynch version blew monkey balls. She was a whiny twit--I assume that was Lynch's idea and not the actress's, but I guess I don't know.
Cafferty on CNN now
he was fabulous this week
I just think it would be an odd historical irony if the USA goes Communist after the fall of the Soviet Union. It has a feel to it of some sort of queer poetic belly laugh.
catalexis
Well, certainly not Communist in the literal sense of state ownership of property. But Uncle Joe would certainly be envious of the social monitoring/control mechanisms being put in place.
And the Fundies, of course, will think it's great - finally a chance to make people live the way (*they think*) Jesus wants people to (actually, of course, the way Old Testament patriarchs wanted people to. If these folks met Jesus on the street they would have him arrested for being a) homeless, b) destitute and c) being brown).
im getting a distinct "it was all *his* idea!" vibe from this piece
I just think it would be an odd historical irony if the USA goes Communist after the fall of the Soviet Union.
No. This country will not be like the comminuists. It would become more like a cross between the stalinist regime and hitlers fascist regime.
In fact, it already is.
UNE - can I watch when you oil the plates in your head?
If these folks met Jesus on the street they would have him arrested for being a) homeless, b) destitute and c) being brown).
LittlePig
These are the same assholes who insist that Jebus is a blue=eyed blond!
I have watched the Sci Fi channel's mini series.
Moonbotica, it is an overall superior version to the David Lynch movie, and would have been absolutely superior if they could have had Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck for the sci-fi screenplay, too.
Which of the following comes CLOSER to your own view of this domestic surveillance program…(READ)
41% say necessary tool, 53% say goes too far.
I wonder what that 41% will say when they find out it's more than numbers they've vacuumed up but names and conversations. Everytime they've said they weren't doing x, it turns out they were doing x.
I just think it would be an odd historical irony if the USA goes Communist after the fall of the Soviet Union. It has a feel to it of some sort of queer poetic belly laugh.
catalexis
Fascist, not communist.
Terry C, One of the 71% | 05.13.06 - 1:08 pm | #
Karl Marx got it right. After capitalism will come either communism or barbarism.
Barbarism is winning.
the portrayal of Jessica in the Lynch version blew monkey balls
Didn't Francesca Annis play her in the movie?
Love Francesca.
plantsman, agreed, the follow-on works are little better than good fanfic IMHO. Probably why I haven't strained myself to get the last few pieces. Of late I'm wallowing in George Martin's Song of Ice and Fire. Bloody piece of work that is, but pulls some nice headfakes with the good guys/bad guys matchup.
The prequels are a lower order of literature, but Herbert is such a hard act to follow
I never knew there was more to the series after Chapterhouse. Did'nt Herbert die after that one?
Karl Marx got it right. After capitalism will come either communism or barbarism.
Barbarism is winning.
rorschach
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You're right. It seems there's nothing the right wants more than another Dark Age.
I'd prefer to see the SOB step too close to a microwave.
Terry C, One of the 71% | 05.13.06 - 1:05 pm | #
I.e. inside the microwave.
rorschach
Too fat.
He's getting fat and fat.
I'm backing Al in 2008. Ideally, just for the happy combination of ideas, I'd go for Gore/Slaughter, but I'm not fussy. Gore/Feingold will be just fine and would have the addition of capturing 'the Jewish vote' with a guy who's a mensch rather than a putz.
Arrakkis.......Dune...........Desert planet.
SORRY.
Fatter and fatter.
On CNN, Cafferty was asking what could this phone calling data be put to use other than fighting terrorism.
As I said last night, my gig as a software developer with several telemarketing outfits as past clients, these companies would borrow the farm to get access to even part of that data.
I.e. inside the microwave.
rorschach
Too fat.
He's getting fat and fat.
Terry C, One of the 71% | 05.13.06 - 1:15 pm | #
A very big microwave?
Corporatism=fascism.
I'd wager most of the spying is done by corporations, and the NSA just provided a framework for integration.
The real threat isn't just Big Brother.
It's a big, government sanctioned Piranha Brother.
Gore/Feingold will be just fine and would have the addition of capturing 'the Jewish vote' with a guy who's a mensch rather than a putz.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
Lieberman proves that Jews CAN be Nazis.
Can't stand that asshole!
A very big microwave?
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A custom walk-in! He'd appreciate that.
I return
Borrow the farm?
Hell, they'd burn down the farm and salt the ashes.
I wonder what that 41% will say when they find out it's more than numbers they've vacuumed up but names and conversations. Everytime they've said they weren't doing x, it turns out they were doing x.
Neponset
But...but...I've got nothing to hide!! They can look through my delicates, danties, and unmentionables anytime they want!
I'm sooo sick of people trying to rationalize this whole fucking thing. IT'S WRONG!!
Corporatism=fascism.
I'd wager most of the spying is done by corporations, and the NSA just provided a framework for integration.
This country is long overdue for another fucking trust-buster...
Arrakkis.......Dune...........Desert planet.
plantsman
I'm not the big SciFi book fan that most of you are but I did read "Dune".
Was it an analogy of Middle Eastern politics? Obviously, the spice represented oil.
I recently watched "Syriana" and kept saying to myself, "this is 'Dune'".
I never knew there was more to the series after Chapterhouse. Did'nt Herbert die after that one?
The prequels are written by Herbert's son Brian with Kevin Anderson. Herbert died while assembling material (which his son has) for his planned final book, often referred to as Dune 7
Frank Herbert's mind astonishes me. plantsman
While a big fan of the "Dune" cycle, my favorite Herbert character is the laywer George X. McKee of "The Reluctant Sabotuer", "Whipping Star", and "The Dosadi Experiment".
Both the ideas of a Bureau of Sabotage (to keep government from running too efficiently) and Gorwachin law (in which the accuser is the person on trail, rather than the accused, among other wierd twists) are magnificient, and lets Herbert play his twist on that grand stage of courtroom drama.
Don't know about Francesca Annis, but when I saw the scene where Jessica and Paul are being kidnapped, Jessica was just going all weepy and "Whatever shall we *do*??"
I couldn't believe *any* self-respecting Bene Gesserit with as much status as Jessica would *ever* do that, even if one of her superiors was reading her the riot act.
I don't know what Lynch was going for in that scene, but it was a disservice to the character.
UNE - can I watch when you oil the plates in your head?
Yes! 
I'll even make a video.
And speaking of Video's Pamela of Atlas shrugg fame talks about Darfur.
It is truly something to behold.
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im getting a distinct "it was all *his* idea!" vibe from this piece
n69n
You know, I just re-read that piece and I think you're right.
a guy who's a mensch rather than a putz
I see a pretty good campaign slogan in there. "A Mensch, Not a Putz: Feingold 2008".
You know what the biggest jerk-off of all is? Beyond family even, because you can't control your family, is jobs. I mean, this totally mystifies me. Can you believe people actually accept this? It's like you work all day, people tell you what to do all day long. You know, and then on top of taking shit all day, they can fire you.
my absolute favourite sci fi novel is The Star Fraction by Ken MacLeod, I love the book and never grow tired of reading it.
...It seems there's nothing the right wants more than another Dark Age.
A number of us have been convinced of this for some time now.
Call me paranoid, but it's the simplest explanation. Intentionally monopoliza a depletable resource, make society absolutely dependent on it, and ratchet up your police state in steady increments as the source becomes depleted.
Sample message to Verizon:
I am giving official notice that I fully intend to sue Verizon in a class action lawsuit for turning over my phone records to the U.S. government in violation of the Stored Communications Act. The Stored Communications Act explicitly prohibits voluntary or required disclosure of phone records to the government with several limited exceptions. (See 18 U.S.C. 2702-03.) None of those exceptions apply in this case. Any further misuse of my phone records will be seen as a SEPERATE violation and will entail another seperate lawsuit.
One of the signs that I would love my new workplace is that there's a sign on the coffeemaker saying: "If you take the last of the coffee, please make another pot."
And underneath that, someone has written, "i.e. the spice must flow."
jack | 05.13.06 - 1:19 pm | #
You're repeating your inanities now, are you?
And underneath that, someone has written, "i.e. the spice must flow."
I'm wit ya.
This country is long overdue for another fucking trust-buster...
rorschach
Amen. I hope the modern T.R. is out in the wings ready to make his entrance soon.
And for Marshall Whitman, the Bull(shit) Moose, to claim to be an admirer of T.R. while defending the current crowd is dada theatre of the first order.
~ ITMFA - BITVMFF ~
On CNN, Cafferty was asking what could this phone calling data be put to use other than fighting terrorism.
Was he kidding or did he actually not know? Has someone "gotten" to Jack?
Amen. I hope the modern T.R. is out in the wings ready to make his entrance soon.
Yeah (but without the love of eugenics...)
As I said last night, my gig as a software developer with several telemarketing outfits as past clients, these companies would borrow the farm to get access to even part of that data.
Max Planck
I had a client who keeps track of all of your purchases through the handy little discount card you get from the grocery store - They know everything that you have ever bought.
It is marketing analysis at a huge scale. What kind of marketing do you think your government could use?
Polls only tell a politician so much. What if he/she knew you better than yourself?
Ken MacLeod runs his a blog too - The Early Days of a Better Nation
I think Lynch (mistakenly) felt that there had to be some dramatic difference between the observed reactions of Paul and Jessica. In the narrative they are both in shock, Jessica is in mourning but internaly, Paul is unsure why he can't mourn yet but doesn't worry about it too much. On screen, I guess, Lynch felt two uncrying people wouldn't read well. He should have shot it straight and directed complainers to the source for an explination if they felt they were owed one.
The scream the accsation of class warfare at anyone who dares to point out that they are, in fact, waging one.
He knows. Fucking insurance companies, banks, litigating attorneys, IRS, credit bureaus, the list goes on who *want* that data.
jessica lynch is a slutty whore.
I find it rather confusing that Stilgar ran Big Ed's Gas Farm, and lived in a house with People Under the Stairs...
Actually, I was responding to a different post about Cafferty's question on the NSA data.
Weird.
That happened to rory last night.
Richard Morgan's Altered Carbon is also excellent.
The whole Dune constellation would make great TV if funding could be found -- go on for a long time too.
This is just a Saturday morning driveby, but I've been thinking how much damage Bush can still do if he's left in office. He can still rendition, he can still torture, he can still flip the bird at every judicial ruling...
He needs to be impeached. We need to oust him in the most humiliating fashion because it will show the world how much we are not like him. That we abhor every policy he stands for. I don't think the poll numbers are enough.
But honestly, there's no better way to start on the road to healing our reputation and righting the wrongs we've committed against our brothers and sisters around the world than to get rid of the bastard and all his cronies.
I'm just speaking from my intuition here. I know people can lay out reasons why, practically, he should stay in office, even for the good of the dems as a party, whatever.
But I think the world would cheer and start to trust us again, and that means we can open up channels for real diplomacy, work on global warming - work as a member of the world community.
Letting him stay in office, doing more damage as a desperate man, hurting more people, I don't think so. Pragmatic? Maybe not. Critical for the future of the planet? Yes!
Haven't had my first cuppa yet so this might read as incoherent, but I just wanted to get it off my chest. Okay, have a nice day, all.
additional taxation on the rich simply doesn't add up to much.
the general welfare and economy is better served by letting them spend their money on investment.
UNE - can I watch when you oil the plates in your head?
mena
No Flirting!
UNE - can I watch when you oil the plates in your head?
mena
No Flirting!
That happened to rory last night.
Max Planck | 05.13.06 - 1:25 pm | #
Eh? What? Was I there? What happened?
I had a client who keeps track of all of your purchases through the handy little discount card you get from the grocery store - They know everything that you have ever bought.
You know, quite a few stores in A2 used to have discount cards. It seems that most of them have now stopped using them. I had heard that people didn't like the idea that their purchases were being tracked. If they aren't comfortable with that, why on earth would they be indifferent about the NSA spying?
Wonder what the attitude is in other parts of the country?
Eh? What? Was I there? What happened?
rorschach
You answered a post while referencing a different one. That just happened to me.
I think Lynch (mistakenly) felt that there had to be some dramatic difference between the observed reactions of Paul and Jessica.
I don't remember--in that movie did she ever show any anger or grief specifically related to Leto's death? I woulda bought that, but what I remember was just her going all to pieces during the kidnapping.
So...mebbe. But he was utterly gratuitous in his use of clumsy voice-overs elsewhere, so I wonder why he didn't just use that device.
jack hasn't had an original thought...ever.
jessica lynch is a slutty whore.
jack
All women are slutty whores to jack.
Because none of us would want him.
Mornin' Jenny!!!
Quite coherent actually!
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You answered a post while referencing a different one. That just happened to me.
Max Planck | 05.13.06 - 1:28 pm | #
Happens to the best of us...
I've put off chores too long and the guilt is getting to me...I'll miss all this but I'm out for the weekend or untill I get good and caught up. Have fun everyone, don't shoot anyone in the face that isn't begging for it and learn to say naughty things in as many languages as possible.
the general welfare and economy is better served by letting them spend their money on investment.
It's called "trickledown", asshole.
The poor get pissed on.
He needs to be impeached. We need to oust him in the most humiliating fashion because it will show the world how much we are not like him. That we abhor every policy he stands for. I don't think the poll numbers are enough.
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I can't agree wit this enough. He must be renounced, not just to show the rest of the world, but to make clear to the right in this country that this road will not be traveled again. Or else we will.
This is just a Saturday morning driveby, but I've been thinking how much damage Bush can still do if he's left in office. He can still rendition, he can still torture, he can still flip the bird at every judicial ruling...
Hell, that's nothing, Jenny. He really *really* wants to drop a nuke on Iran. Part of that "let them see the full picture of American power". I will be very surprised if he leaves office without a tac nuke or two being used in Iran.
He needs to be impeached.
As long as the GOP runs Congress, it ain't gonna happen. Period.
And with Karl having all the NSA data to play dirty politics with, and everybody being forced to go to electronic voting machines by law, I don't honestly expect a Democratic majority in either house come November. Sad but true. That, plus the iron grip on the media already in place, pretty much assures GOP rule for the indefinite future.
I belabor this, but the first time I saw Lynch's Dune it didn't have all the voice-overs. I'm pretty sure those were tacked-on after the original release and failure at the box-office, because people who hadn't read the book couldn't follow the story at all.
I can't agree wit this enough. He must be renounced, not just to show the rest of the world, but to make clear to the right in this country that this road will not be traveled again.
Yep. An impeachment would paralyze and shatter the GOP for many many years. Hopefully enough time for us to repair all the fucking damage Bush has wrought.
Big article in the Trib this morning about Hayden visiting on the Hill -- and the whole assumption behind the story is that the senate committee is going to question him thoroughly *and then confirm him.* God, I hope the Senate isn't that supine. Doesn't the Constitution trump party? Please, God, doesn't respect for the Constitution outweigh partisan interests?
Big article in the Trib this morning about Hayden visiting on the Hill -- and the whole assumption behind the story is that the senate committee is going to question him thoroughly *and then confirm him.* God, I hope the Senate isn't that supine.
They are.
Sorry, strawhat, but the Repugs have apparently taken a vow of Party before Country.
I belabor this, but the first time I saw Lynch's Dune it didn't have all the voice-overs. I'm pretty sure those were tacked-on after the original release and failure at the box-office, because people who hadn't read the book couldn't follow the story at all.
plantsman
Are you sure? I thought they were there from the get-go.
The problem with making a movie of "Dune" always struck me as so much the complexity of the story, but rather that so much of the action takes place inside people's heads. Without the thoughts becoming audible in some way, there's no way a movie can work.
I had an original thought yesterday.
I said television was responsible for the rise of rock n' roll. I've never read this anywhere, but it's probably a fairly common idea.
Thank you, plantsman. I didn't know that about the voice-overs.
I should try to take a nap...maybe I will, if my throat hurts a little less.
I'm with Jenny and mena. The world stands amazed as we let BushCo run roughshod over everything we supposedly stand for. Bush AND Cheney should be driven out of office and, yes, humiliated. Then we can start repairing the damage....
They are.
rorschach
Oh yeah. Hayden's in. Done deal.
1999 Profile of Bush: It's Not As If You Weren't Warned
Yep. An impeachment would paralyze and shatter the GOP for many many years. Hopefully enough time for us to repair all the fucking damage Bush has wrought.
rorschach
It's got to involve some Repubs, though. Nixon wouldn't have done shit in 1974 if powerful members of his own party hadn't told him "You need to go. And probably right now."
do a recall election on bush
Bush guilty of child abuse. (Photo)
Yep. An impeachment would paralyze and shatter the GOP for many many years. Hopefully enough time for us to repair all the fucking damage Bush has wrought.
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Well, for a while. But this isn't going to happen with the press still protective of him, which they still are. The enormity of what they've done in our name is apparenty going to continue to be miimized and discounted, containing the outrage. that's all they have to do, contain it long enough to make their retirement plans.
I said television was responsible for the rise of rock n' roll. I've never read this anywhere, but it's probably a fairly common idea.
jack
Nope. Not enough TVs in the marketplace at that time, still too new.
Much more commonly accredited to the increased mobility and disposable income of younger folks after WWII.
I can't believe Poppy, who I think hates him, hasn't pressured Junior already. Maybe he has - or maybe they ain't speaking.
Tena
Poppy didn't even show up at the opening of his sons "boyhood home". I wonder how big the rift is.
Drip Drip Drip
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Are you sure? I thought they were there from the get-go.
I am. The making of the movie In Mexico and the elaborate nature of the sets got play in some rag like Time, so my interest was piqued. There was always some narration, but much more expository stuff was added later. The second time I saw the movie, it was almost unrecognizable from the first version.
what must of been Bush's feelings when Poppy was hanging out with Bill Clinton?
Bush guilty of child abuse.
rorschach
Anyone'd who let that fucker TOUCH their child should be brought up on charges.
Nope. Not enough TVs in the marketplace at that time, still too new.
Much more commonly accredited to the increased mobility and disposable income of younger folks after WWII.
LittlePig | 05.13.06 - 1:38 pm | #
Careful. You're basing your opinion on actual facts. You are going to hurt jack's brain.
I can't believe Poppy, who I think hates him, hasn't pressured Junior already. Maybe he has - or maybe they ain't speaking.
Tena
Methinks you think much too highly of the father, dear. They might differ on some particulars, but by-and-large I don't think GHWB has a lot of problems with how things are going down. The country *is* going back to the right people, i.e., the rich.
I can't believe Poppy, who I think hates him, hasn't pressured Junior already. Maybe he has - or maybe they ain't speaking.
Tena
Methinks you think much too highly of the father, dear. They might differ on some particulars, but by-and-large I don't think GHWB has a lot of problems with how things are going down. The country *is* going back to the right people, i.e., the rich.
what must of been Bush's feelings when Poppy was hanging out with Bill Clinton?
Moonbootica, Buffy Geek
Bill is the son Poppy always wanted:
Smart, hard working and sober.
He actually READS books.
I seem to be unable to manage my fingers this morning. It's beautiful outside - yesterday was cold and rainy. I should probably go work in the garden.
Is the General still going to claim responsibility for eavesdropping on all Americans...when we now know that Cheney was the evil hand behind this treachery? I hope those Senators on the Intelligence Committee read the article in tomorrow's New York Times.
Anyone'd who let that fucker TOUCH their child should be brought up on charges.
Terry C, One of the 71%
Agreed.
And judging by the baby's outfit, he's crying because Bush is about to send him to Iraq.
Bush guilty of child abuse.
And always with the innappropriate smile. Uck!
Nope. Not enough TVs in the marketplace at that time, still too new.
White America in the early 1950's did contribute to the rise of rock, but not because of TV. I think Perry Como had something to do with it, though.
Poppy didn't even show up at the opening of his sons "boyhood home". I wonder how big the rift is.
Lumpenprolitariot
I think this shit with the CIA drove a major wedge between Poppy and Chimpy.
Agreed.
And judging by the baby's outfit, he's crying because Bush is about to send him to Iraq.
rorschach
Nah. He's going to put him on the border.
I saw the Minutemen thing last night on CSpan.
What a packer of losers.
As for the African Americans who were sucking up to them at that rally: WTF are you thinking?????
Sorry - PACK of losers.
Lockout: the Natfhe/AUT education dispute.
McCain: Americans can disagree on war
LYNCHBURG, Va. -- Sen. John McCain, looking to heal a rift with the religious conservatives who undermined his 2000 White House bid, told students graduating at the Rev. Jerry Falwell's university Saturday that Americans have a right to disagree on issues but should maintain respect for each other.
The Arizona Republican specifically referred to disagreements over the war in Iraq during his commencement address at Liberty University. He noted that the war "has taken innocent life," but he said he has stood his ground in support of it because he believed "my country's interests and values required it."
What "values and interests required the Iraq war"?!?!???
McCain is a complete fool!!
I've read the Dune books every winter for ages. But my absolute favorite Herbert book is called The White Plague. It has some scary real time (now, not then, shit in it. It's bioterrorism at its worst.
Sorry - PACK of losers.
Terry C, One of the 71
Oh I don't know, it kinda works in the original, too.
As for the African Americans who were sucking up to them at that rally: WTF are you thinking?????
Terry C, One of the 71%
Just remember Bush's approval was 7% among African-Americans in the poll cited here yesterday. By and large, blacks are a HELL of a lot smarter about what's going down than so many of their white countrymen.
I said television was responsible for the rise of rock n' roll.
I prefer the explanation that rock and roll was a Communist plot, myself...
I think this shit with the CIA drove a major wedge between Poppy and Chimpy.
Terry C
I think it's about the greed. A parasite is supposed to be smart enough not to kill the host.
What "values and interests required the Iraq war"?!?!???
McCain is a complete fool!!
Point Well made, portia!
But my absolute favorite Herbert book is called The White Plague.
That was a good one, been a while since I read it though.
BTW where in hoosierland do you reside?
I'm in B-town!
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Just remember Bush's approval was 7% among African-Americans in the poll cited here yesterday. By and large, blacks are a HELL of a lot smarter about what's going down than so many of their white countrymen.
LittlePig
7%? I can't believe it's that high!
By and large, blacks are a HELL of a lot smarter about what's going down than so many of their white countrymen.
Yep. The situation and opinions of African Americans goes far in proving Lukacs's point that the most abject have the clearest view of what capitalism is really all about.
Just remember Bush's approval was 7% among African-Americans in the poll cited here yesterday.
BTW what was the margin of error on that poll?
By and large, blacks are a HELL of a lot smarter about what's going down than so many of their white countrymen.
Yup!
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I've read the Dune books every winter for ages.
I used to read them every summer. Rotated them with Seven Pillars of Wisdom. It had something to do with sitting in the pool in the middle of a desert reading desert stories....
Back from market and the asparagus is so fresh it squeaks when you move it (I know, get a cat)
Just wanted to state again the danger here. What they are talking about are not just phone calls and emails: they are talking about your life.
Relational data bases work on key fields. The key field can be anything the programmer (or user) wishes it to be. But for this explanation, let's say it is your phone numer.
Using the phone number as a key field you insert it into the backwards directory - widely available on the internet and in GOVERNMENT offices. Using this tool they determine your name and address. With your name and address they search the Social Security data base for you information. Once they determine your name, location, SS# then they can determine just about any information they want to.
So, when some wingnut tells you they are not spying: call em a liar and HIT EM WITH THE CHAIR.
I hope that is simple enough to use against them.
What "values and interests required the Iraq war"?!?!???
I agree with McCain -- the Iraq war does indeed tell us everything you need to know about America's actual "values and interests."
Oh, not the ones the war's supporters talk about.
The real ones.
Jason Leopold is the guy at truthout who posted the news about the indictment of Rove coming. (Randi Rhodes also mentioned it. Don't know if she has another source)
He also posted an article not long after the first NSA spying revelation. In that post, he said that Vice made several trips to the NSA in early 2001, months before 9/11. Leopold has a source telling him that spying programs were being installed back then. Why?
They sure as hell weren't trolling for terrorists then. They didn't want to even hear the word terrorist. They ignored every freakin' warning. So why was Vice wanting these programs in place?
Didn't I read somewhere that Vice was even intercepting emails and other communications between the NSC office, which was then Condi's office, and the office of the president. Seems old Vice really enjoys the spying game.
Sen. John McCain, looking to heal a rift with the religious conservatives who undermined his 2000 White House bid, told students graduating at the Rev. Jerry Falwell's university Saturday that Americans have a right to disagree on issues but should maintain respect for each other.
Wow, what a MAVERICK!
*eye roll*
As for the African Americans who were sucking up to them at that rally: WTF are you thinking?????
Terry C, One of the 71%
Imported labor is rebuilding places like New Orleans. There is a lot of resentment in the construction, etc. industries.
I used to read them every summer. Rotated them with Seven Pillars of Wisdom. It had something to do with sitting in the pool in the middle of a desert reading desert stories....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Yeah, Dune seems like a summer book to me too.
Winter is for the Russians: Dostoevski, Gogol, etc.
Imported labor is rebuilding places like New Orleans.
I don't believe that there are places like New Orleans...
I don't know if Dick Cheney hates his country. But without question he hates his countrymen.
For guys like Cheney, America is nothing more than the sum of its real estate and mineral rights.
Ah, those lawnmowers et al have finally stopped!
I agree with Jenny; it's another one of those gut feelings that runs contrary to the shrewd, canny, tactical horse-race or chess-game handicapping world inhabited by politicians and political wonks, though.
Everything must be calculated for optimal popularity, i.e. (potential) votes. Therefore, the only recourse is to reform the Democratic Party and stop chasing after moonbeams in hopes that you can ride them to a fresh, clean, uncorrupted progressive Third Party of some kind.
Or follow evil, corrupt Pied Pipers like-- gack!-- Nader. And while we're at it, don't you become infatuated with funny-looking little shrimps like Dennis Kucinich, either. It has to be the right candidate-- a nationally known, fully fundible mainstream Dem with just a skosh of progressive values. First things first, you know; we get our man (and it must be a man, sorry if that ruins your childlike wishes) in there, and then we build momentum little by little to make true progressive values more palatable and viable.
Now that we're shackled to the leaky, listless barge of the Democratic Party, we're forced to agree that it simply isn't politic for the party to stridently and openly declare the Unitard™ and his criminal henchpersons to be a criminal regime who ought to be speedily deposed and prosecuted for the war criminals and profiteers that they are. Instead, the Dems will woo the disenchanted masses with the usual Lesser Evil spins.
Then, when this party discipline and savvy triangulation has finally put sufficient Democrats in both houses of Congress, the Dems can finally forsake their meek Clark Kent/Don Diego de la Vega identities, and emerge triumphant as the heroes of reform that they are.
What will really happen, of course, is that even if the strategy succeeds, the New and Improved Democratic ruling class will decide that in the long run, after all, it's better to let bygones be bygones and concentrate on building consensus with the now-vanquished corrupt and fascist party. (I just read a reference somewhere regarding Bill Clinton's response to the question of why he didn't vigorously revisit and pursue the Iran-Contra and S&L crimes and corruption suppressed by the corrupt Bush I administration. The answer, of course, is that Bill felt that there was more to be gained by building bridges than raking over old coals. He had to work with the Repukes, after all.)
But there's always the old Lesser Evil fallback position; OK, maybe the Dems won't exactly make single-payer health care happen, or roll back all of the corporate gains and government excesses-- but you've got to admit they're a hell of a lot better than the fascists that hijacked the government since 2000!
La la how the life goes on. And suddenly it is thundering like mad, and pouring rain.
GWPDA and Rorschach, I seem to be the only posting on the relationship between phone numbers and personal information. I don't understand why. Is it because everyone already knows this? Or is because they do not believe what I am saying? If it is the latter, feel free to chime in. Now is the time for people who understand the technology to do the robot thing from LOST IN SPACE.
DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER.
seems to me that the Matrix, techno wizardry aside, may not have been too far from the truth.
Winter is for the Russians: Dostoevski, Gogol, etc.
rorschach>
And the English Victorians; especially George Eliot. Middlemarch is a great winter book, too.
Saturday, May 13, 2006
Antitrust oversight not ending yet for Microsoft
By TODD BISHOP
P-I REPORTER
The Justice Department is seeking to extend its antitrust oversight of Microsoft Corp. for at least two years longer than originally expected -- citing "protracted delays" in the company's work on a key requirement of the landmark decision.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
bu...ntitrust13.html
Put it on Gates' bill.
-
DWD - how about because we already know that.
Come on man, you think we don't get it?
GWPDA and Rorschach, I seem to be the only posting on the relationship between phone numbers and personal information. I don't understand why. Is it because everyone already knows this?
I think the squeaky asparagus might've scared people off.
DWD - Most folks here have some experiences with databases and how they work. We're mostly well aware of the indexing function and aware as well that there's no particular requirement for each entry to be analysed individually. Sallyh's brief discourse last night on the algorhythms involved was fairly clear....
And the English Victorians; especially George Eliot. Middlemarch is a great winter book, too.
Tena | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:03 pm | #
Very true. That is in fact the greatest Victorian novel, in my opinion. He was a literary genius. (heh)
Tena, I think I stated that people here already know. But what are you seeing on TV? What are you reading in the newspapers? I have not seen that explanation stated clearly for the masses.
THey are framing this as being nothing more than recording phone call records. This is not accurate.
We NEED to harp on this until they GET it.
Sorry, for being shrill.
Sallyh's brief discourse last night on the algorhythms involved was fairly clear....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:05 pm | #
GWPDA, can you tell me where to find that? I was off the blog last night...I'd like to read it.
Thanks!
Sallyh's brief discourse last night on the algorhythms involved was fairly clear....
I thought it was Vicki who is the master of Al Gore-isms.
WASHINGTON, May 12 — In the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser argued that the National Security Agency should intercept purely domestic telephone calls and e-mail messages without warrants in the hunt for terrorists, according to two senior intelligence officials.
Who says Racketeers have to be dumb.
We need to update our stereotype of what a genecidal murderous war criminal looks like. The Hitler image is no longer operative. We can only wildly wish that Fitzgerald is ultimately contemplating vast RICO and war crimes charges. I find it more and more difficult to believe that this culture of corruption is only loosely coordinated.
Who exactly are you planning on harping on DWD?
You don't need to harp on it here, so...??
I'm not trying to be no means, just sayin' - we got it. You don't need to think we don't.
this isn't right on the point, but it's related. I posted it about midnight last night.
I'm completely opposed to novels -- they corrupt the youth and are morally lax. What's wrong with a nice book of sermons?
I'm usually the first to shoot down a conspiracy theorist
do you actually shoot them down with a missile? STA? ATA? or do you use timed demolition charges?
DWD, don't worry about it. I didn't know how relational databases worked until I had to CLEP a computer course in order to graduate. You aren't being shrill...I think that the stats Atrios posted regarding the educational level of our Atriot community proves that we are fairly well educated. You are correct that lots of people don't have DB experience (not much need for it at a McJob) why should the average Joe know how it works. Even if they use a DB at the library most people don't think about how they work. To them its sort of a magic thing that doesn't require analysis.
I can't help thinking that the current regime is rapidly approaching the point where there are simply two many problems coming to head at the same time for them to juggle: indictments of those in the White House, rising gasoline prices which are bleeding the American working people dry, a war in Iraq which has been lost, yet will continue to cost billions into the unforseeable future, and now the second or third scandal on illegal domestic spying.
At some point this house of cards simply has to implode. It just has to.
I know we keep saying that this will finally be the undoing, and then two weeks later this will, but surely, this can't go on too much longer.
I am a traitor.
So says the Right.
I am hate-fueled and angry.
So say the pundits.
I am a terrorist.
So says my country's security apparatus.
This could become a self-fulfilling situation.
Sometimes I like to read a big, heavy, "winter" novel in the summertime. Spread it out over a few weeks of bright sun. Something like Crime and Punishment ar the Magic Mountain. But then,I'm kinda weird.
I'm completely opposed to novels -- they corrupt the youth and are morally lax. What's wrong with a nice book of sermons?
Thers, Erudite | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:11 pm | #
Puritan puke!
Seriously, it is very amusing how the exact same complaints that are now repeated about TV shows were originally spoken in response to that heinous new genre, the novel.
I'm completely opposed to novels -- they corrupt the youth and are morally lax. What's wrong with a nice book of sermons?
Thers,
Ooh - I know - how about the book written by that Victorian bishop which is full of instruction for children such as the one against vanity:
Little Willy
Dressed in sashes,
Fell in the fire and
Burned to ashes.
By and by
The room grew chilly,
But no one came
to stir up Willy.
I denounce Tena and Rorschach for their irresponsible recommendations about novels.
Only one season is appropriate for novel-reading: HELL SEASON.
At some point this house of cards simply has to implode. It just has to.
Wrong.
Unfortunately, we're going to have to light the fuse. It's too late for op-eds, too late for blogs, probably even too late for elections.
Our only hope now is lots of people, in the streets.
Tena, not trying to be argumentative but not the people here, but others that you know.
As I said, I have not seen it explained that this information is keyed to find other information.
From the WaPo of this day, "On Thursday, USA Today reported that three U.S. telecommunications companies have been voluntarily providing the National Security Agency with anonymized domestic telephone records -- that is, records stripped of individually identifiable data, such as names and place of residence. If true, the architect of this program deserves our thanks and probably a medal"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...6051201656.html
Seriously, it is very amusing how the exact same complaints that are now repeated about TV shows were originally spoken in response to that heinous new genre, the novel.
Oh, TV shows are fine.
I know we keep saying that this will finally be the undoing, and then two weeks later this will, but surely, this can't go on too much longer.
Diane
Yeah, we keep saying people are starting to see the light but I think they need an explosion in their pants or something!
The guy isn't fit to run a fMcDonalds, so he's not going to get any corporate board jobs. And he can't speak worth a tinker's damn, so that rules out speaking engagements. He doesn't think, so that rules out starting a think tank. He's never learned anything, so that rules out teaching. He's a selfish SOB, so that rules out philanthropy.
Stinky | 05.13.06 - 1:07 pm
i've got some brush that needs clearing in my back yard. i'm very open to hiring convicts on work release, but then hey - i'm a lefty.
I'm completely opposed to novels -- they corrupt the youth and are morally lax. What's wrong with a nice book of sermons?
Thers, Erudite
Great! Just put it on the stack there on that table - right next to the towels and the pitcher of margaritas....
Only one season is appropriate for novel-reading: HELL SEASON.
Thers, Erudite | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:14 pm | #
Well, okay, but only if hell is 450 degrees Fahrenheit or less...
Oh, TV shows are fine.
Thers, Erudite
And if children want stories, let them watch Disney.
I like to roll my joints in sermons.
So they do not spy on us? What do these twits at the NSA think we are? Logic-impaired?
They search for patterns. Once they discover a pattern of calls between sprcific phone numbers, they need to determine whether these calls are made between "bad guys". The next logical step is to recover names, addresses, etc... linked to the phone numbers. The final step is to listen in on the conversations to determine whether the calls are made between suspected terrorists, or between Grandma and her grandkids.
So, they are spying on us. And they think we are stupid. That is adding insult to injury.
Little Willy
This is from memory, so may be a bit off:
Little Willy from the mirror
Sucked the mercury right off
Thinking in his childish error
To cure the whooping cough
At his funeral Mrs. Smith said smartly to Mrs. Brown
'Twas a chilly day for Willy when the mercury went down
Oh, TV shows are fine.
Thers, Erudite
And if children want stories, let them watch Disney.
Tena | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:18 pm | #
Yeah. Good clean sexist racist fun!
Me, I've watched the first season of "Creature Comforts" three times in the last two weeks...
At some point this house of cards simply has to implode. It just has to.
Wrong.
Unfortunately, we're going to have to light the fuse. It's too late for op-eds, too late for blogs, probably even too late for elections.
Our only hope now is lots of people, in the streets.
Pope Ratzo
It's imploding as I type.
That should be obvious to everybody. The entire conservative movement is imploding. It isn't going to blow up overnight, but come on, guys -
Me, I've watched the first season of "Creature Comforts" three times in the last two weeks...
rorschach | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:19 pm | #
is that by Nick Park?
Oh, TV shows are fine.
Thers, Erudite
And if children want stories, let them watch Disney.
Tena | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:18 pm
==
And sitcoms. Sitcoms are full of practical advice and good clean moral family values.
I like to roll my joints in sermons.
rorschach
I like to roll mine in pages I rip out of the bible.
shorter version of NYT article
anonymous sources in the NSA say we should confirm Hayden because he didn't break the law as badly as Cheney wanted him to.
Oh, TV shows are fine.
Thers, Erudite
And if children want stories, let them watch Disney.
Tena | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:18 pm
just keep them away from the nature porn.
One single episode of American Idol is more morally uplifting than any three Thomas Hardy books or any two George Eliot books, and more in tune with True American Values than the collected works of Thomas Pynchon.
No more novels!
jessica lynch is a slutty whore.
jack | 05.13.06 - 1:25 pm
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Dick Cheney: UnDead American.
"That should be obvious to everybody. The entire conservative movement is imploding. It isn't going to blow up overnight, but come on, guys -"
I tend to think of it as the Syndicate is imploding. However, their patsies are also going down the tubes at the same time.
I have to move out of the way so Mr.Tena can call his sister.
Back in a bit.
I like to roll my joints in the butcher paper xian babies come in.
That should be obvious to everybody. The entire conservative movement is imploding. It isn't going to blow up overnight, but come on, guys -Tena
Is it Poltergeist in which the house implodes at the end? That's how I see the neocons ending- disappearing up their own asses. On the plus side, they'll get to spend more time with Tweety and friends.
mena,
try my translation of Mann's Magic Mountain. I think it's pretty good, but then I'm biased.
Face the truth Deaniacs
The american people do not like Dean
Look at the primaries
Dean has a much higher unfavorable rating than other leading Democrats.
Approval rating lower than Bush even
Follow that fool if you want Democrats
But dont say I didn't warn you.
Crazy little Howie Scream
Worst candidate and chairman ever
Lie Lie Howie
Next at Liberty University to kiss Falwell's ass
Support the EFF and freedom of speech
I like to roll my joints in the butcher paper xian babies come in.
SteveLG
==
That's just good old-fashioned thrift. We need more americans like you.
Face the truth Deaniacs
The american people do not like Dean
Look at the primaries
Dean has a much higher unfavorable rating than other leading Democrats.
Approval rating lower than Bush even
Follow that fool if you want Democrats
But dont say I didn't warn you.
Crazy little Howie Scream
Worst candidate and chairman ever
Lie Lie Howie
Next at Liberty University to kiss Falwell's ass
Support the EFF and freedom of speech
!!)@(
Face the truth Deaniacs
The american people do not like Dean
Look at the primaries
Dean has a much higher unfavorable rating than other leading Democrats.
Approval rating lower than Bush even
Follow that fool if you want Democrats
But dont say I didn't warn you.
Crazy little Howie Scream
Worst candidate and chairman ever
Lie Lie Howie
Next at Liberty University to kiss Falwell's ass
Support the EFF and freedom of speech
###
zepper - where would I find this?
is that by Nick Park?
SHG | 05.13.06 - 2:21 pm | #
Yep.
And on that note, allow me to blogwhore a post that would be of great interest to Wallace and Gromit...
Face the truth Deaniacs
The american people do not like Dean
Look at the primaries
Dean has a much higher unfavorable rating than other leading Democrats.
Approval rating lower than Bush even
Follow that fool if you want Democrats
But dont say I didn't warn you.
Crazy little Howie Scream
Worst candidate and chairman ever
Lie Lie Howie
Next at Liberty University to kiss Falwell's ass
Support the EFF and freedom of speech
$*%^
Novels are written by effete diletantes who have never worked a day in their lives but just scribble a bunch of words and get rich on the royalties.
That's just good old-fashioned thrift. We need more americans like you.
mena
(line was busy)
Oh, look, little fy has finally remembered where he hid his meth stash.
I take it fy is back
Something smell funny to you guys?
I like to roll my joints in the butcher paper xian babies come in.
SteveLG | 05.13.06 - 2:24 pm | #
I just smoke the babies.
Face the truth Deaniacs
The american people do not like Dean
Look at the primaries
Dean has a much higher unfavorable rating than other leading Democrats.
Approval rating lower than Bush even
Follow that fool if you want Democrats
But dont say I didn't warn you.
Crazy little Howie Scream
Worst candidate and chairman ever
Lie Lie Howie
Next at Liberty University to kiss Falwell's ass
Support the EFF and freedom of speech
***
And on that note, allow me to blogwhore a post that would be of great interest to Wallace and Gromit...
==
*SNIFFFFFFF* - Ahhhhhhhhhhh...........
That's just good old-fashioned thrift. We need more americans like you.
mena
Reefercycling.
Novels are written by effete diletantes who have never worked a day in their lives but just scribble a bunch of words and get rich on the royalties.
DWD | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:26 pm | #
Yeah, you ponce!
I just smoke the babies.
rorschach
Oh, man... I can never keep 'em lit.
I'm not the big SciFi book fan that most of you are but I did read "Dune".
Was it an analogy of Middle Eastern politics? Obviously, the spice represented oil...
Yanagi Bocho | 05.13.06 - 1:18 pm
Yes.
I was reading Dune before my non-Western Class and my prof said "why don't you do your book report on Dune as ME analogy?" Got a B, though I'm not sure after 20 years I'd want to go back and read it again.
Well, fuck me, it just occurred to me that while I was crying in the wilderness about seemingly intractable political struggles, that I'd taken a square of carpet remnant up from the basement and put it out on my back patio to dry in the sun.
The remnant had gotten soaked by a mysterious drip emerging from the basement ceiling from the vicinity of the kitchen sink and fridge upstairs. I'm a confirmed DDIY (Don't Do It Yourselfer), and my cursory inspection revealed no water obviously leaking from the pipes or drain between the sink and the floor of the sink cabinet.
I have a dishwasher, but frankly I've never used it. I suspect that something may be loosened or cracked in any of several pipes, e.g. the sink sprayer plastic hose, the line to the fridge cold water/ice dispenser, etc. So far I am relying on the miracles of gravity and evaporation to control the water slowly pooling out into the basement.
Anyhoo, I brought that damn carpet remnant up to dry it, and was so absorbed in ranting that I was not prompted by the peals of thunder to bring the damn thing in.
Hey, maybe I should just squirt some carpet shampoo on it since it's soaked again...
SteveLG - Something smell funny to you guys?
SteveLG
There's an air of festering LOSER in the atmosphere - maybe that's it.
I wonder how fy will handle the fact that Dean has donated $10million from the DNC coffers to EFF. I'm thinking brain implosion.
There's an air of festering LOSER in the atmosphere - maybe that's it.
Tena
You mean "LOOSER", right?
Reefercycling.
==
We need one with a bigger grin.
Cut and paste trolls are a waste of electrons.
Oh, man... I can never keep 'em lit.
SteveLG | 05.13.06 - 2:29 pm | #
You've gotta make em drink a lot of whiskey first. The alcohol in their blood makes them burn better.
(Yes, I'm going to hell. And taking my novels.)
I'm just naive enough to believe that the November elections will be held, and that turnout will be slightly higher than usual, and that will be enough to put one of the chambers (the House) in Democratic hands.
What happens after that is anybody's guess.
Actually, I think all books of any sort should be banned. It is a mistake to teach young people to read in the first place. Or to write.
We need to organize society entirely along the lines of American Idol, and devote ourselves purely to singing competitions. No more idle pursuits such as investment banking, automobile repair, athletic competitons, or farming.
So you're pro-Idol, but anti-idle, eh?
face the truth etc
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So you're pro-Idol, but anti-idle, eh? - rorschach
You don't meet many who think Americans aren't shiftless enough.
You don't meet many who think Americans aren't shiftless enough.
JeffCO | 05.13.06 - 2:34 pm | #
I long to be less shiftful.
Also, I wanna be sedated.
Shiftless - I had a car like that.
Why are Dems so timid on this issue. How can this possibly hurt them? What are they waiting for- for the Bush admin. to bring out the swatstikas?
Typical liberal - always bitching and Ramoning.
Shiftless - I had a car like that.
mena | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:37 pm | #
Oh, c'mon, give me a brake.
I long to be less shiftful.
==
But you don't want to be thought of as shifty.
We're joking, but think about it. Most families don't have time (or the inclination) to sit down and read a book. I was always amazed when I lived on Long Island to visit houses where there wasn't even a magazine, let alone a book. One PTA mom told me, without a hint of regret, that she hadn't read a book since high school. This twit also had no idea what role menstuation played in reproduction, and she wasn't alone. I gave lessons to more than one mom so she would know what she was talking about when she explained the facts of life to her daughter.
Why aren't the Libertarians holding 24-hour protests in front of the WH?
Property
God
Markets
Law and Order.
But you don't want to be thought of as shifty.
mena | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:38 pm | #
Yeah, I'm more shady, I think. I enjoy lurking, just for the sake of lurking.
The repubs keep on saying that if you are not doing anything wrong that you have nothing to hide. The dems should say that using this logic, why dont we just post NSA agent by everybody's door just in case they might be a terrorist.
Oh, c'mon, give me a brake. -rorschach
You can be so exhausting sometimes.
Security must precede Liberty.
Why aren't the Libertarians holding 24-hour protests in front of the WH?
JeffCO | 05.13.06 - 2:38 pm | #
Because the Free Market will take care of everything for them.
No security, no liberty.
So you're pro-Idol, but anti-idle, eh?
I am completely opposed to Eric Idle.
I like to roll mine in pages I rip out of the bible. | Tena - 2:22 pm
Well, considering that you probably plowed through the entire Book of Job during the Alito confirmation, you'll probably clear out the rest of the Old Testament altogether when Michael Hayden is confirmed.
I can't take it personally, but I can see where if you're buzzed enough, the flamboyant cape-twirling and rhetorical thrusts of the Democratic picadors may hold a certain fascination. One has to suspend the certainty that no matador will emerge to actually move in for the kill, however.
Why aren't the Libertarians holding 24-hour protests in front of the WH?
If you think that the MSM blacks out Dems coverage, you should see what they do to us. We could get naked and start shooing machine guns in the air and we still would not get any coverage. Remember how the MSM "forgot" to cover a 250,000 anti-war rally? But if you go to our website, you can see how apoplectic we are about it.
So you're pro-Idol, but anti-idle, eh?
I am completely opposed to Eric Idle.
Thers, Erudite | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:40 pm | #
But you are enamored of Billy Idol... even though he stole his look from Spike.
No woman, no cry.
Why aren't the Libertarians holding 24-hour protests in front of the WH?
Glenn Reynolds is getting right on that, I'm sure.
I gave lessons to more than one mom so she would know what she was talking about when she explained the facts of life to her daughter.
==
Good gravy. I lecture myself all the time - it's arrogant to assume that people are so stupid. And then I hear something like this. And what the fuck are you supposed to make of people who are quite comfortable telling you they don't read?
If you think that the MSM blacks out Dems coverage, you should see what they do to us. We could get naked and start shooing machine guns in the air and we still would not get any coverage.
Have some tofu and go chastise some homeless people.
You'll feel better.
But you are enamored of Billy Idol
In your ear.
I used to be a fan of the Idylls of the King, but not so much since Elvis died.
Rorschach - skulking. That sounds like you're scowling as you lurk.
More lies and outrages
A year after Bush administration claims about Iraqi "bioweapons trailers" were discredited by American experts, U.S. officials were still suppressing the findings, says a senior member of the CIA-led
Iraq inspection team.
At one point, former U.N. arms inspector Rod Barton says, a CIA officer told him it was "politically not possible" to report that the White House claims were untrue. In the end, Barton says, he felt "complicit in deceit."
Barton, an Australian biological weapons specialist, discusses the 2004 events in "The Weapons Detective," a memoir of his years as an arms inspector, being published Monday in Australia by Black Inc. Agenda.
.........................Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.
Linnet's take:
The one awful thing about the political fallout of the September 11th is this: the American people didn't ask the simplest, most obvious, most logical question. We didn't ask "Why did this happen on your watch, Mr. Bush?"
.........................
http://toughenough.org/archives/
...06_archive.html
I can't take it personally, but I can see where if you're buzzed enough, the flamboyant cape-twirling and rhetorical thrusts of the Democratic picadors may hold a certain fascination
Oh I have always been with George Carlin: when you're born, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you are born in the US, you get a front row seat.
A certain perspective is useful, frankly.
And what the fuck are you supposed to make of people who are quite comfortable telling you they don't read?
President, apparently.
Where is the authorised Jacuzzi electrician I was led to believe would arrive today by 10am? Have I been deceived? I have been idle now and wanly despairing.
Not only do they rape and fuck us, they ask us to pay for the pleasure. There is no hell on this earth bad enough for what these mf's have done.
JeffCo - I set it up, you knocked it down.
Novels are written by effete diletantes who have never worked a day in their lives but just scribble a bunch of words and get rich on the royalties.
DWD - 2:26 pm
Those bastards! 
I you give up liberty for security you get neither.
But if you go to our website, you can see how apoplectic we are about it. -Live Free or Die
Sounds like an excuse to me - waaah no one will look at us so why bother? If Libertarians really cared about civil liberties they'd be *making* the news cover them. That they don't simply underscores they only care about themselves.
Dick Cheney hates this country:
I'm sure someone's noted by now that the feeling is mutual.
But you are enamored of Billy Idol
In your ear.
In your eye, doll.
so, they intercept domestic email, but don't read it?
seems kinda pointless...
JeffCo - I set it up, you knocked it down. -mena
The shortest path to snark is a straight line.
Sounds like an excuse to me - waaah no one will look at us so why bother? If Libertarians really cared about civil liberties they'd be *making* the news cover them. That they don't simply underscores they only care about themselves.
JeffCO | 05.13.06 - 2:47 pm | #
Hey, c'mon! They're brave and active. They have a website!!
I have been idle now and wanly despairing.
You are STILL spaless?
Send Arthur out to fetch that electrician.
Hey, c'mon! They're brave and active. They have a website!!
The 82nd Chairborne.
I'd be willing to give up liberty cabbage for a security blanket.
mena - I have fought the elitist title my entire life, but really at a certain point you just have to recognize that people are different.
pie,
Did you see I babyblogged again? Turns out Thers was hiding the camera for nefarious purposes of his own.
The 82nd Chairborne.
NYMary | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:51 pm | #
Heh.
Oh, by the way, I Idol-ize you and Thers.
I have now watched all of Pamela of Atlas shrugged fame vlogs
Batshit lunacy at its finest.
If you have not had the pleasure, please indulge yerself.
.
Thers was hiding the camera for nefarious purposes of his own.
(Rises in Righteous Rage)
YOU'RE the one who stole all the pictures I took!
(ANGRY! ANGRY THERS!)
Did you see I babyblogged again?
No! I'm off to see babies...
Think about it LFoD - you could build Freedom shanty towns on the Mall out of Ramen noodle packs and hurl cheap onions at the park police when they try to dislodge you. I'll bet even in DC you could find a bus route that takes you past the Fresh Fields to a really cheap grocery store.
Thers was hiding the camera for nefarious purposes of his own.
(Rises in Righteous Rage)
YOU'RE the one who stole all the pictures I took!
Were you taking naughty pictures of sleeping NYMary? Again?
[...] The dems should say that using this logic, why dont we just post NSA agent by everybody's door just in case they might be a terrorist.
Live Free or Die - 2:39 pm
Hey, LFOD-- we don't want to be giving them ideas, now!
PS: In case you didn't see it, FWIW I touched on your questions in this earlier post.
Oh, by the way, I Idol-ize you and Thers.
In a "Rebel Yell" way? Or in more of a "White Wedding" way?
Thers was hiding the camera for nefarious purposes of his own.
Must have been another ocelot hunting expedition!!
I love those!!
Who knew that ocelots sound like ducks?
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Sounds like an excuse to me - waaah no one will look at us so why bother? If Libertarians really cared about civil liberties they'd be *making* the news cover them. That they don't simply underscores they only care about themselves.
So why arent you guy out there protesing in the streets? Where are the dems on this issue. So far most of the dems that ive seen say that they are leaning TOWARDS voting for this guy to head the CIA. I bet when the truth comes out, it will turn out that the NSA has recoreded every conversation and email sent within the last 5 years. There is much blackmail potential.
Did you see I babyblogged again? - NYMary
Holy cow - Rosie looks *just like* that chick from Bow Wow Wow!
Oh, I took *one* of your pics. There's lots left, you big baby.
In a "Rebel Yell" way? Or in more of a "White Wedding" way?
NYMary | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:55 pm | #
Not to be too forward, but in the midnight hour, I have occasionally been known to cry "More, more, more!"
Holy cow - Rosie looks *just like* that chick from Bow Wow Wow!
Creepy, ain't it?
I guarantee the Dems will do more to protect civil liberties than the Libertarians.
Think about it LFoD - you could build Freedom shanty towns on the Mall out of Ramen noodle packs and hurl cheap onions at the park police when they try to dislodge you. I'll bet even in DC you could find a bus route that takes you past the Fresh Fields to a really cheap grocery store.
Yawn..........
Not to be too forward, but in the midnight hour, I have occasionally been known to cry "More, more, more!"
rorschach
You know, I've heard that about you....
Not to be too forward, but in the midnight hour, I have occasionally been known to cry "More, more, more!"
Now that's a true connection.
So why arent you guy out there protesing in the streets?
Yeah, you told him! As you also sit at your computer rather than occupying the streets.
Your point is well made.
NYMary, they're all darling, but the one of the boys is absolutely precious.
How great that Sean Patrick has such a loving big brother.
I guarantee the Dems will do more to protect civil liberties than the Libertarians.
Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
You know, I've heard that about you....
NYMary | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:57 pm | #
Hey! Who told!?
Were you taking naughty pictures of sleeping NYMary? Again?
Nein!
Gah. I hate grading. I never would have become a perfesser if I knew I'd have to read papers, prepare lesson plans, talk to students, do research, serve on committees, or write stuff. That part of the job sucks.
Yeah, you told him! As you also sit at your computer rather than occupying the streets.
Your point is well made.
I dont belive in protests. Generally I dont think they ar effective anymore
You are STILL spaless?
Send Arthur out to fetch that electrician.
pie
I have the spa. It's filled with water. But it does not roil, joyously, nor burble nor bubble nor even twinkle.... Arthur just curls up for another nap and does not care.
Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
I know I am!!
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Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
I know I am!!
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Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
Live Free or Die | 05.13.06 - 2:58 pm | #
Aren't Libertarians philosophically bankrupt and absolutely powerless and juvenile?
That part of the job sucks.
The fun part is wearing a mortarboard and gown at graduation, I'll bet.
Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
I don't know that any more than you do. But several of them have spoken out against him, and I'm sure that if he's confirmed, it'll hardly be unanimous.
You get back to me on how the Libertarian members of Congress vote.
Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
I read it on the internets.
Oh, SP looks like he's totally ready to rock the cradle of love.
Live Free or Die is just a stooge for Big Tofu.
Gah. I hate grading. I never would have become a perfesser if I knew I'd have to read papers, prepare lesson plans, talk to students, do research, serve on committees, or write stuff. That part of the job sucks.
Thers, Erudite | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 2:59 pm | #
Yeah, but the rest of the job is cool.
I fortunately finished grading on Thursday! Thank god.
I dont belive in protests. Generally I dont think they ar effective anymore
Live Free or Die | 05.13.06 - 3:00 pm | #
And yet you criticized someone for not being out in the streets protesting.
Quite the hypocrite.
Arent dems voting for this guy who set up this evesdropping program?
I don't know that any more than you do. But several of them have spoken out against him, and I'm sure that if he's confirmed, it'll hardly be unanimous.
You get back to me on how the Libertarian members of Congress vote.
Last time I checked there were no Libertarina members of Congress. If there were, not one of them would vote this general, or gonzoles, or rice, or ashcroft, or brown. We'll see if the dems are all talk. They could filibuster if they really wanted to.
I dont belive in protests. Generally I dont think they ar effective anymore -Live Free or Die
Then why are you asking us "So why arent you guy out there protesing in the streets?"? Aside from contacting our elected representatives and encouraging them *not* to vote for Hayden, what would you have us do that you won't do yourself?
And yet you criticized someone for not being out in the streets protesting.
Quite the hypocrite.
Where did I do that? I thought repubs were the only people who made shit up.
Live Free or Die is just a stooge for Big Tofu.
Shoyu right.
Last time I checked there were no Libertarina members of Congress.
Wow, did you see that?
He almost got the point!
I'm proud of him.
Last time I checked there were no Libertarina members of Congress.
No! You don't say!
Even as a doting, dotty old Aunt who adores her own neice, nephews and grand nephews, I have to admit that NYMary and Thers have one of the most beautiful families going.
Live Free or Die is just a stooge for Big Tofu.
Shoyu right. -Marwood
He's gonna get right on it, maybe tamari.
America dont like the cut of your jibs libs.
Why aren't the Libertarians holding 24-hour protests in front of the WH?
JeffCO
Their non-union jobs, which they're so proud to have, won't let them take the time off to go to DC.
Last time I checked there were no Libertarina members of Congress.
Why do you think that is?
If there were, not one of them would vote this general, or gonzoles, or rice, or ashcroft, or brown.
Riiiiiight.
So why arent you guy out there protesing in the streets?
Live Free or Die | 05.13.06 - 2:55 pm | #
I didn't make anything up. You just enjoy telling transparent lies, apparently.
Were you taking naughty pictures of sleeping NYMary? Again?
rorschach
And then posting them on the secret internet?
Then why are you asking us "So why arent you guy out there protesing in the streets?"? Aside from contacting our elected representatives and encouraging them *not* to vote for Hayden, what would you have us do that you won't do yourself?
You are misunderstanding me. the BLOGS are doing all they can do. The elected dems, on the other hadn, are sounding very wishy washy about this. Not Leahy, but others. Finestein said something to the effect that she will have to wait and see. What is there to wait about? This wait and see strategy never works-at least for the USSC it didnt.
Awww, thanks, Diane. They're also (mostly) decent human beings, which is far more important to us.
He's gonna get right on it, maybe tamari.
Treading gingerly here.
Mary - how adorable they all are. Sean and Rosie are getting so big! And I don't find it surprising at all the The Six Year Old is gentle with his baby siblings - he's a gentle little man.
?Dick Cheney hates this country:
I'm sure someone's noted by now that the feeling is mutual.
NYMary
my first comment on this thread.
America dont like the cut of your jibs libs.
29% approval rating. America doesn't like georgie's slips of the lip.
LFoD is hopelessly muddle-brained.
I didn't make anything up. You just enjoy telling transparent lies, apparently.
Well then point to me where I critisized dems for not being out in the street protesting. You are no different than the republican that you so despise-just making shit up to prove a point.
I don't know if it rises to the level of "idolizing", but here's my selection for the ultimate Mary 'n Thers Theme.
Actually, Feinstein, when last questioned, talked about the USAToday story as putting a huge impediment in the path of Hayden's confirmation, and of a looming Constitutional Crisis.
Well then point to me where I critisized dems for not being out in the street protesting. You are no different than the republican that you so despise-just making shit up to prove a point.
Live Free or Die | 05.13.06 - 3:09 pm | #
I just fucking did.
Learn to read.
The fun part is wearing a mortarboard and gown at graduation, I'll bet.
Yes, but I don't have a mortarboard; I have a tam. A manly tam. And when I dress up in my gown and tam, I prance about in a very manly fashion.
So, Thers, in your expert opinion, who is going to be the next American Idol?
Actually, Feinstein, when last questioned, talked about the USAToday story as putting a huge impediment in the path of Hayden's confirmation, and of a looming Constitutional Crisis.
Yea I saw that. That was wishy washy. How about, I dont think I will vote for him.
plantsman,
I heard her say that. If that's the line she's taking, I'm quite heartened.
the cut of your jib
Arrrrr, matey! Talkin like the pirate you are!
Even as a doting, dotty old Aunt who adores her own neice, nephews and grand nephews, I have to admit that NYMary and Thers have one of the most beautiful families going.
Diane
As one who is a grouchy old lady, happy to be finished with all that stuff, I have to agree.
Most people that call themselve "libertarian" these days don't really know what it means.
They just want to smoke pot, not pay taxes and frequent hookers without all those nasty consequences.
You know like being arrested.
Nitwit Troll Alert!
Actually, Feinstein, when last questioned, talked about the USAToday story as putting a huge impediment in the path of Hayden's confirmation, and of a looming Constitutional Crisis.
Yea I saw that. That was wishy washy. How about, I dont think I will vote for him.
Live Free or Die
I don't think it was wishy-washy at all. Feinstein is a conservative Democrat. I think she was just saying what she thought. Nobody expects her to be Russ Feingold or Howard Dean.
With terror as the cover, vast amounts of data are poured into ever faster supercomputers to create ever more detailed models of reality.
Heisenberg be damned in our pursuit of splitting cats.
Will we attain better living through alchemistry???
http://planetsean.blogspot.com/
2...lchemistry.html
Actually, Feinstein, when last questioned, talked about the USAToday story as putting a huge impediment in the path of Hayden's confirmation, and of a looming Constitutional Crisis.
Yea I saw that. That was wishy washy. How about, I dont think I will vote for him.
Live Free or Die
It *was* wishy washy. Just like Chuck Hegel, who said that the good general has his vote, barring some unforeseen happenstance in the confirmation hearing, Thursday. Which, BTW, will probably be largely closed off to the public.
NYmary - It just occurred to me I called SP " Sean Paul" a couple of times lately I'm so sorry.
Listening to too much hip hop -
They call me Sean Paul
and I'm so tall
that when you step away babygirl
don't fall -
Libertarians want to live like Mad Max' opponents.
Yes, but I don't have a mortarboard; I have a tam. A manly tam. And when I dress up in my gown and tam, I prance about in a very manly fashion.
Thers, Erudite | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:11 pm | #
Perhaps.
But do you look as manly and dignified as this?
Thers,
Are we going to NYC next week?
Come line up at granny's buffet libs: down home cookin', heartland values, muskrats in summer canals, fourth of july parades, slingshot confetti, antelope hunts, purple fields, starry nights, jackrabbit stew, cloudless
days, autumnal hymns, mangy rivers, fermaldyhyde doves, cisterns of homemade wine, soggy bread, eggs of dawn, all that and more and then some will save you lives libbies!
Big difference, rorschach. Thers and I earned our regalia.
(I have an identical get-up, of course. But I'm not going to graduation this year.)
grandma forgot the marijuana cash crop and meth labs and Purity balls.
>Libertarians want to live like Mad Max' opponents.
Pitchforks & Torches
They want to wear a lot of leather fetish gear? Well, who's stopping them?
But do you look as manly and dignified as this?
He looks like he's effeminately holding in a bong hit.
,i>Thers,
Are we going to NYC next week?
NYMary
yeah!
,i>Thers,
Are we going to NYC next week?
NYMary
yeah!
But do you look as manly and dignified as this?
rorschach
I think that picture captures the real George W. Bush.
It's a fucking masterpiece.
I have a tam. A manly tam.
I love those tams. So distinquished.
Guess I won't be seeing another college graduation for a loooooooong time, if ever.
Big difference, rorschach. Thers and I earned our regalia.
Believe you me, I am fully aware of the vast difference between you two and that craven critter.
heartland values
Arrrrr, matey! Be ya keelhaulin the dark people and the sailor-lovers, then?
They want to wear a lot of leather fetish gear? Well, who's stopping them?
Buzz Bomb
Libertarians and Country & Western singers are the only things supporting the hair spray bubble.
Someone earlier was talking about the History Chanell and how shows seem to tie in to Adverts.
Right now they have a show on about angels brought to us by the producers of the new Damien movie.
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granny's sprung a sprocket!
I don't think it was wishy-washy at all. Feinstein is a conservative Democrat. I think she was just saying what she thought. Nobody expects her to be Russ Feingold or Howard Dean.
Not voting for the guy is not a very liberal position. There was a reason why this came out right b4 his hearings. Someone in the NSA thought it would be dangerous he ran the CIA. Can the dems for once pick up a fumble and run it into the endzone?
Right now they have a show on about angels brought to us by the producers of the new Damien movie.
Isn't that shilling for the competition?
Well, off to brave the elements. Blech. What crappy weather.
Latah.
granny's sprung a sprocket!
plantsman | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:18 pm | #
granny and Live Free or Die are going to elope and live happily ever after.
Can the dems for once pick up a fumble and run it into the endzone?
Anonymous
How many *egregious* fuck ups does this assmin have to commit before the Dems check to see if the mike is on?
By the way, if Clinton was at 29%, and had multiple scandals, what do you think that the repubs would be doing?
Can the dems for once pick up a fumble and run it into the endzone?
I haven't ruled out a touchback.
granny and Live Free or Die are going to elope and live happily ever after.
Or die.
evening moonbats
Dr Who - quality British sci fi
The Hitler channel always was the most cynical proof of American ignorance and willingness to accept inferior intellectual product since they changed the title of The Madness of King George the Third.
Thinking about the domestic surveillance scandal while walking the dogs--if Qwest stayed out, the data pool was incomplete for the purpose it was supposedly assembled. In other words, how could an incomplete data pool help track the terrorists, (assuming a complete pool could.) If a terrorist called a Qwest customer, who in turn called someone else, the tracking is interrupted, isn't it?
So the real reason for assembling all the records they could get their hands on was for other purposes, is all I can figure.
Of course with an appropriate warrant, the authorities could chase wherever those links took them. Oh, about that warrant piece of it...
Someone should shoot Dick Cheney in the face with birdshot.
Blech. What crappy weather.
Central New Jersey's lovely today. What am I doing inside? Well, either the allergy attack's an ass-kicker, or "The Doomsday Machine" (uncut) is on. Probably both. But mostly the allergy attack.
How many *egregious* fuck ups does this assmin have to commit before the Dems check to see if the mike is on?
And the polling. How bad does it have to be before the dems are not scared of Bush anymore?
There was a reason why this came out right b4 his hearings. Someone in the NSA thought it would be dangerous he ran the CIA. Can the dems for once pick up a fumble and run it into the endzone?
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 3:18 pm | #
Of course, we all know the REAL reason why Bush chose Hayden...
By the way, if Clinton was at 29%, and had multiple scandals, what do you think that the repubs would be doing? -Live free or Die
It's not that I disagree with your point, I simply think you're an ass.
Someone should shoot Dick Cheney in the face with birdshot.
Hecate, Grammar Fag
That might interrupt his nap.
granny and Live Free or Die are going to elope and live happily ever after.
Hey. 50 is my cuttoff age.
Ponies for Holden. NSFW
The Hitler channel always was the most cynical proof of American ignorance and willingness to accept inferior intellectual product since they changed the title of The Madness of King George the Third.
Or Nick Lowe's Jesus of Cool (Pure Pop for Now People) or Robbie Coltrane's The Pope Must Die (The Pope Must Diet).
Liberals aren't welcome on most downtown streets in real America. You'd get run out on the rails with your tails bleedin' rose.
It's not that I disagree with your point, I simply think you're an ass.
Ouch! That's gotta hurt.
So the real reason for assembling all the records they could get their hands on was for other purposes, is all I can figure.
Of course with an appropriate warrant, the authorities could chase wherever those links took them. Oh, about that warrant piece of it...
noblejoanie
And how relatively mildly they retreated when Qwest lawyers told them to bugger off. Yes, there is obviously some other goal. Let us remember too the efforts made to acquire even the incomplete records of all people flying ....
Thers, in your expert opinion, who is going to be the next American Idol?
Either that singer person, or the other one.
Take that to the bank.
It's not that I disagree with your point, I simply think you're an ass.
Because I am a libertarian-thats pretty lame. I hope dems are not going to have that type of attitude towards all independents.
Hecate,
There's a pic of the bopy in your t-shirt at the homepage (second post).
Dr Who - quality British sci fi -Moonbootica, Buffy Geek
We've got Cybertrolls here.
You know, I never thought the day would come when I would be actively rooting for the CIA against anybody.
Just shows to go ya.
Opposing Hayden probably requires seeing Bushco for the collapsed house of cards it is. Judicial Watch is not in the habit of rolling over and playing dead. Strange bedfellows on this issue? Yeah, but I don't care.
heartland values
Fuck that shit. Values do not know geography.
Just saw an excellent program on History Channel about angels--the HC show mixed up the scholars with the people who'd in some way been saved by angels.
Among the things I learned was that the early Protestants were mean enough to toss out Raphael and the Book of Tobias from the Bible--Raphael was apparently not mentioned in the Old Testament.
The Protestants were only willing to tolerate warrior Michael and Gabriel--called a rapist by some feminists for his Announcement of the Virgin Birth to a reluctant Mary.
Very annoying, as Raphael was a sweet young healing angel.
I was reminded of what Oscar Wilde meant when he said "I have no religion. I am an Irish Protestant."
Here's my real point--Does anyone know a good but halfway concise book on angelology, like under 700 pages? I don't see Prior Aelred around.
I've always liked reading of angels, including the most improbable, as in William Blake, even Joseph Smith, anthologies of accounts from the middle ages
Either that singer person, or the other one.
Take that to the bank.
That's a travesty.
I heard lion kitty maxx singing outside with his buddy and I think HE should be the next american idol.
It's not that I disagree with your point, I simply think you're an ass.
Because I am a libertarian-thats pretty lame.
No, I expect it's because you're an ass.
run out on the rails with your tails bleedin' rose.
Arrrrrr, matey! Now yer talkin! Them be the "heartland values" I knew you were talkin about!
I don't know if we're going to NY next week! How would I know? I thought we agreed that it was best for everyone if I had very little say in making social plans.
Because I am a libertarian-thats pretty lame.
You misunderstand; I think you're a Libertarian *because* you're an ass.
That might interrupt his nap.
You're right, of course. At least when he's sleeping -- which appears to be most of the time nowadays -- he's not busy hurting America.
The screamfest dickheads love to portray Al Gore as a laughingstock.
I think I just found my new favorite band name.
Per Bylund: Building the Structure of the New Society Within the Shell of the Old
You know, I never thought the day would come when I would be actively rooting for the CIA against anybody.
Just shows to go ya.
Diane
There's a weird irony to that, isn't there?
Maybe a Libertarian world wouldn't be so bad. The trolls would live under a badly-maintained bridge on a privately owned road. After the bridge collapses, we'd be rid of them.
Opposing Hayden probably requires seeing Bushco for the collapsed house of cards it is.
I don't know why chimpy would nominate Mr. Garrison to run the CIA.
JeffCO it seems that way.
but they don't even have brains!
I don't know if we're going to NY next week! How would I know? I thought we agreed that it was best for everyone if I had very little say in making social plans.
Thers, Erudite
Hmmm. We're both off work, but there's school for the boy and the teen.
You know what scares me about this shit is that it has been proven in studies (e.g., Stanford Prison Study), and I believe it to be true, that when someone has been “Charged” with “Monitoring” a group of “Other” people. The Monitor will become increasingly suspicious of the “Other” group believing that the only reason the “Others” have not committed a crime is soley because of their monitoring. If they quite monitoring then the "Others" will commit crimes.
Thus, we are all criminals until proven innocent.
BREAKING NEWS:
Family of four crushed to death by 2-ton block of tofu in local supermarket.
Draco,
It's a novel, but I bet you'd love Thrones by Sheri Tepper.
Open up your gullets libs and get ready for some pancakes straight outta gammy's kitchen.
i have never met a Libertarian who wasn't a corporate shill
hi bats - listening to the best of Randi Rhodes and she is busy comparing this admin to that of der fuhrer and it's everything I've thought - majored in history and the comparisons to germany '32-'33 are what have made me nervous and freaked out
- I see the evangelical theocrats as brownshirts - less than the idiot trolls and sheeple who are going to be very sorry they weren't paying closer attention to what bush/cheney/rove/corporatists were really up to
remember in germany 32-33 the intelligentsia thought they were using the brownshirts and not the other way around -
Opposing Hayden probably requires seeing Bushco for the collapsed house of cards it is.
Opposing Hayden requires zero balls. It is easy to explain to America why every phone call should not be recorded. Dictatorships, blackmail, etc.
The trolls would live under a badly-maintained bridge on a privately owned road. After the bridge collapses, we'd be rid of them.
Pitchforks & Torches
Isn't that shilling for the competition?
Sorry, was reading Wolcott!
If the money is good, then why not!
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The trolls would live under a badly-maintained bridge on a privately owned road. After the bridge collapses, we'd be rid of them.
Pitchforks & Torches
It would be a paradise for people who want to sell their organs.
At least when he's sleeping -- which appears to be most of the time nowadays -- he's not busy hurting America.
I don't know. For all we know he has drug induced nightmares, and when he wakes up he uses them to base policy to inflict on us.
Draco,
Paradise Lost is a great angel book. They shoot each other out of cannons!
You'd get run out on the rails with your tails bleedin' rose.
Why are our trolls always fantasizing about ass-rape? Fuck a guy already.
Yes, but I don't have a mortarboard; I have a tam. A manly tam. And when I dress up in my gown and tam, I prance about in a very manly fashion.
Thers, Erudite
Did you ante up for the tassel on your tam? I like the tassels. There's one on my hood, one on my tam and if I walk just exactly right, they swing first one way, then the other....
We already have a Hitler channel. It's called the Trinity Broadcasting Network. They slander everyone they've interpreted as a threat day in and day out. They'd send people to the gas chamber if they could get away with it, all in the name of Jesus.
"...run out on the rails with your tails bleedin' rose."
It's gonna be a tough job for that 29% to lynch the rest of us.
Hmmm. We're both off work, but there's school for the boy and the teen.
Typical moonbats, sending your children to government schools, where they will be indoctrinated in unhinged lesbianism and crimigrant studies.
BREAKING NEWS:
Family of four crushed to death by 2-ton block of tofu in local supermarket.
That's no surprise. Haven't I been telling you guys that tofu is evil?
The screamfest dickheads love to portray Al Gore as a laughingstock.
yeah, what a whack-job... intelligent, erudite, thoughtful and has the guts to speak his mind - that's why they fear him - if he gets a little momentum he could win 40 states and sweep into office in '08
The thing about angels is that whenever they show up, the very first thing they always say is "Be not afraid." So I figure they're not very much like the sweet fluffly little angel figurines they sell at the giftshop.
Did you ante up for the tassel on your tam? I like the tassels. There's one on my hood, one on my tam and if I walk just exactly right, they swing first one way, then the other....
That sounds like lion kitty's tail.
I don't know why chimpy would nominate Mr. Garrison to run the CIA.
Because they like to create confrontations and then win. They could have nominated anybody else, and it would have been easier. Note to dems: if you actually win the presidency, you should feel free to ignore the repubs, during the confirmatin process. Put Howard Dean on the USSC, Finegold to run the Justice department, and Kennedy at Treasury.
no slur against Al Gore shoulg go unanswered
There's one on my hood, one on my tam and if I walk just exactly right, they swing first one way, then the other....
There are girls who do this professionally, I hear. Of course, they attach their tassels elsewhere.
GWPDA, I commend you for having the courage to participate and post thoughtfully during your long ordeal of spalessness and Waiting for the Jacuzzi Electrician-- or someone like him. 
The other day I went to fill up my water bottle with ice from the fridge door dispenser, and no ice came forth. Somehow the metal arm in the icemaker had swung down to the "off" position unbidden.
I was able to fix it, but I was devastated and a nervous wreck for the whole evening. I don't know how you do it-- perhaps Arthur's support makes the difference. 
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It would be a paradise for people who want to sell their organs.
Jay C. | 05.13.06 - 3:29 pm | #
What do large, elaborate musical instruments have to do with this?
if he gets a little momentum he could win 40 states and sweep into office in '08
Sweep back into office in '08....
The thing about angels is that whenever they show up, the very first thing they always say is "Be not afraid."
Real angels are apparently terrifying.
I'll bet they're really aliens to live to feast on people's eyeballs.
I hope dems are not going to have that type of attitude towards all independents
We wouldn't want to have anybody voting for Nader out of spite now, would we?
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I hope dems are not going to have that type of attitude towards all independents
We wouldn't want to have anybody voting for Nader out of spite now, would we?
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I don't know why chimpy would nominate Mr. Garrison to run the CIA.
We are not shill, we just dont instictively hate them like liberals do.
It would be a paradise for people who want to sell their organs.
Jay C. | 05.13.06 - 3:29 pm | #
What do large, elaborate musical instruments have to do with this?
rorschach
Can't a man just sit and fantasize about organs on a saturday afternoon?
Pitchforks & Torches | 05.13.06 - 3:30 pm |
But there are so many Jews on TBN! Everyone's favorite is Zola Levitt, but once Paul and Jan hosted a rabbi headmaster of an Israeli orphanage. Cueing up footage of what good the orphanage did, we saw footage of what you would expect in a good school, suddenly replaced with EARLY EIGHTIES HARD ROCK AS THE IDF KICKED ASS AND RULED THE SAND YEEEEAH BOY FUCK YEAH! Anywhere else that would've been a wee bit incongruous.
Liberals aren't welcome on most downtown streets in real America. You'd get run out on the rails with your tails bleedin' rose.
grandma's own cooking
If by "real America" you mean places like Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Missouri, and Kansas, this liberal has spent quite a lot of time in all of those states, including many their downtown streets. I was never made to feel less than welcome in any of them. Some really nice people, too, everywhere I went. Lots of nice people here in California, too.
It is easy to explain to America why every phone call should not be recorded.
Well hell, LFoD, get to it! A solution is worthless unless implemented.
There are girls who do this professionally, I hear. Of course, they attach their tassels elsewhere.
NYMary | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:32 pm | #
Ahem, well. They don't attract as much attention as do you, since they're all pasty.
Previous
1
2
.............no guys..
Did you ante up for the tassel on your tam?
My Mom bought me the whole shebang as a graduation gift.
if he gets a little momentum
He won't need much, if any. He's already beaten President Commodore Decker once.
Lib Sugar Cookies
1 1/2 cups Hatred Of Boyscouts
2/3 cup Abortionist Oil
2 tablespoons Ash Of Burned Bibles
1 teaspoon White Dude Lameness extract
3 1/4 cups Flower Power
2 1/2 teaspoons Ground Che's tooth
1/2 teaspoon Pagan Nonesense
Pinch or two of Unholiness
Bake, then sprinkle with liberally with Pink Sugar....
There's one on my hood, one on my tam and if I walk just exactly right, they swing first one way, then the other....
There are girls who do this professionally, I hear. Of course, they attach their tassels elsewhere.
NYMary
Hey! I'm a professional professor! You can tell by the way I move my tassels....
We are not shill, we just dont instictively hate them like liberals do.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 3:34 pm | #
Are you Borg? Or do you have delusions of royalty?
Ahem, well. They don't attract as much attention as do you, since they're all pasty.
rorschach
I'll bet most of them aren't even ABD!
Latest FaBlog: To Tell the Truthiness
The trolls always get to bloody-minded violence they'd love to commit. Sad, really.
Nepal moves to curb king's power
Nepal's parliament is set to introduce a new law restricting the king's power and bringing the country's army under parliamentary control, officials say.
"The seven-party alliance is making a draft proclamation to be presented in parliament that would give full autonomy to the house," Ram Sharan Mahat, Nepal's finance minister, said on Saturday.
Parliament was reinstated in Nepal after King Gyanendra handed back power at the end of April, following weeks of anti-royal protests across the country that left several dead.
The king had seized absolute power in February 2005 after sacking the government, accusing them of corruption.
You know what? I just went to Ther's homepage and there is NO NEW BASEBALL BLOGGING.
Oh, woe is me!
The world is cruel to centaurs.
1 1/2 cups Hatred Of Boyscouts
Can I get that in the Economy Size?
Haven't I been telling you guys that tofu is evil? -fourlegsgood
El loco soy, yo?
I'll bet most of them aren't even ABD!
NYMary | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:36 pm | #
Ach! Stress-inducing reminder!
And Miriam has been going more than a little nuts trying to get her diss into shape these past few days.
Urgh.
Is Trinity the one that broadcasts Jack and Rexella Van Impe?
"Oh, gash, looks like tha world's about ta end, dontchaknow. Jeepers that's awful."
Moonie,
Just saw this on Witchvox:
EXPERTS FIND RARE ROMANI DNA IN NORWICH ANGLO SAXON SKELETON
Experts from Norfolk Archaeology Unit based at Norwich Castle have discovered a rare form of mitochondrial DNA identified as Romani in a skeleton discovered during excavations in a large area of Norwich for the expansion of the castle mall.
The DNA was found in an 11th century young adult male skeleton, and with the first recorded arrival of the Romani gene in this country put at 500 years later, historians may need to re-think the ethnic mix of the city's early population.
Liberals aren't welcome on most downtown streets in real America. You'd get run out on the rails with your tails bleedin' rose.
grandma's own cooking
What the -- rails? RAILS?!!! Of all the no good french communist fifth columnist mexicali bastards -- RAILS? I suppose yer maglev of crushing market opportunity is powered with recycled tears of entrepreneurs?
I was able to fix it, but I was devastated and a nervous wreck for the whole evening. I don't know how you do it-- perhaps Arthur's support makes the difference.
Little Brøther
Yes, Arthur's been a perfect rock thru all of this. We now have yet another underage electrician out there, with a manual open to the relevant circuit diagram, making tentative little stabs at things. Every so often Arthur comes over and stands on his hind legs, supporting himself on the windowsill til I have to help.... It makes for an interesting way to pass the hours. Well, that and playing with my tassels.
Poach the perch!
Lib Sugar Cookies
Stealing boring repetition from fy's playbook, grandma?
Hecate wow
the trolls really are un-American - don't believe in the rights' enshrined in the constitution - rights' are only for like minded people
the US constitution is one of the finest documents ever written - it is why as bad as america sometimes is and can be I hold out hope - that document will save you all and me too
EXPERTS FIND RARE ROMANI DNA IN NORWICH ANGLO SAXON SKELETON
Now that's really interesting.
1 1/2 cups Hatred Of Boyscouts
Can I get that in the Economy Size?
Buzz Bomb | 05.13.06 - 3:37 pm | #
At Costco, not at Sam's Club.
Poach the perch!
ellroon, small world | 05.13.06 - 3:38 pm | #
Then pass it to the pooch!
Are you Borg? Or do you have delusions of royalty?
Corporations are not bad. Some are, but most provide goods and salaries to Americans. Why you hate them so much is a mystery to me.
I don't know why chimpy would nominate Mr. Garrison to run the CIA.
fourlegsgood
Because Mr. Hat would really be doing the job.
My Mom bought me the whole shebang as a graduation gift.
Of course, because she was really proud of you.
Are you Borg? Or do you have delusions of royalty?
Corporations are not bad. Some are, but most provide goods and salaries to Americans. Why you hate them so much is a mystery to me.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 3:40 pm | #
What are you talking about? I made no mention of corporations.
You are doing some serious projecting there, buddy.
I just printed a Rachmaninov piano piece for my wife from SheetMusicDirect and charged it to my bank card. The cost was $1.95. That got me to thinking. This company assumedly makes money conducting electronic bank transactions for less than $2. Why then, can't banks honor non-affiliate ATM withdrawals without incurring at least a $2 "processing" fee?
Because Mr. Hat would really be doing the job.
I'm not certain that would be a good thing.
He'd just tell us all to "die and go to hell" then he'd launch his own vendetta against Mr. Stick.
Ther's homepage and there is NO NEW BASEBALL BLOGGING.
I don't care about that so much as OCELOT BLOGGING!!!
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The recipe is my own, straight outta gammy's kitchen, so come in, sit down libs, gammy won't bite. I'll throw on some grits and browns and get my coffee up and we can have a nice little chat.
playing with my tassels.
Oh, so that's what the kids are calling it these days.
that it was best for everyone if I had very little say in making social plans.
Thers, Erudite
Why do men always come up with this lame excuse. I swear there must be a secret husband school somewhere.
Corporations are not bad. Some are, but most provide goods and salaries to Americans. Why you hate them so much is a mystery to me.
Live free or Die
I don't hate them but I sure as shit don't want them to have unfettered control of this entire country either.
(probably too late, anyway...)
Other mysteries to LFoD:
1) Why are there poor people?
2) Why should anyone give a rat's ass about #1?
3) Where the fuck is my dealer? He's half an hour late! Shit!
I liked 4legs' comparison best.
I don't care about that so much as OCELOT BLOGGING!!!
Ocelot blogging is simply terrifying.
Well, I must go run an errand so I can come back and take pictures of Mr. Plushy.
I promised everyone "plushypalooza" yesterday and I didn't deliver.
Max,
Some credit unions have "no fee" machines. Ours does, but then we belong to it, so we wouldn't pay a fee anyway.
Once upon a time, the oh-so-corrupt Al D'Amato fought for lower fees. Why is anyone's guess.
Simply put, corporations have been granted rights of citizens, but designed to avoid responsibilities of same. They lack adequate oversight, in the same fashion the Administration does.
Therre are many more reasons not to like corporations.
I liked 4legs' comparison best.
Which one?
Well, the cats have just come to remind me that Saturday afternoons are for naps, so I'm off.
While I'm gone, do go over to my blog and read about yet another intentionally missed opportunity to avoid war.
I just went to Ther's homepage and there is NO NEW BASEBALL BLOGGING.
NYM was hiding the camera, and also i'm stuck with this hideous grading... soon, soon...
The Slave Masters are not bad. Some are, but most provide housing and food for us. Why you hate them so much is a mystery to me.
Why do wingers always have to bow down and grovel before power. It's their one true defining characteristic.
see libertarians = corporate shills.
now LFoD I strongly recommend you read Kevin Carson and maybe you will consider whether corporations are 'good'.
to really gain a better perpesective to dead Mike Huben's Critiques Of Libertarianism and Ken MacLeod's The Early Days of a Better Nation
Lovely full moon tonight, Moonbats, in Scorpio, no less. One of the most powerful full moons of the year. Go outside and make a wish tonight.
My Mom bought me the whole shebang as a graduation gift.
How much does a good shebang run these days? Does that include solo or synchronized shebanging?
We wouldn't want to have anybody voting for Nader out of spite now, would we?
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UNE DigiLynchMobBoss™
The amount of spite necesary to vote for Nader, or "a Nader", in the face of encroaching totalitarianism would preclude the kind of rational thought--not to mention enlightened self-interest--necessary to an informed, considered, and yes, pragmatic choice.
Translation; if your head is that far up your ass, you don't much care if your ass is on the line.
*read
Lovely full moon tonight, Moonbats, in Scorpio, no less. One of the most powerful full moons of the year. Go outside and make a wish tonight.
Better yet, I'll see if I can take some pictures.
Gypsies got around!
new thread!
ql,
It's called "learned helplessness." Women are supposed to use it for things like car care. I was never big on it, myself.
If LFoD is going into his "All Hail the Glorious Corporation" schtick, I'm out of here. Later!
Well, that and playing with my tassels.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar - 3:38 pm
I find this aside strangely compelling and somehow... incendiary. Or perhaps I ought to say "febrile": you give me fever...
Excuse me while I go splash some cold water on my affected areas.
How much does a good shebang run these days? Does that include solo or synchronized shebanging?
JeffCO | 05.13.06 - 3:45 pm | #
I'm not sure about that, but I can quote you a very reasonable price on a hebang...
I'm not sure about that, but I can quote you a very reasonable price on a hebang...
rorschach
And if you act now, shipping and handling is thrown in.
How much does a good shebang run these days? Does that include solo or synchronized shebanging?
JeffCO
Lemme get with Baker over at the limo company. He handles all our she-bangers and he-bangers.
Why you hate them so much is a mystery to me.
Having worked for one of the largest for 27 years, the corps have earned the right to be hated.
Corps are 180 degrees from where they were with respect to employees and taking care of same say 17 years ago.
I don't see a new thread, even through the Archives.
Translation; if your head is that far up your ass, you don't much care if your ass is on the line.
Because that ass is like a protective forcefield.
.
I don't see a new thread, even through the Archives.
We got punked.
I don't see a new thread, even through the Archives.
Ditto - must be a tear in the fabric of space-time.
Biden/Hagel/Laura Bush on This Week
Newt on Meet the Press
Mary Cheney/Laura Bush on Fox News
What the hell is going on?
Here is hayden explaining what the "program" is at the national press club:
"One end of any call targeted under this program is always outside the United States."
http://fas.org/irp/news/2006/01/
...yden012306.html
So the "program" where they capture over a billion US phone records must be a different program? Right?
So confusing.
Mary Cheney/Laura Bush on Fox News
Are THEY gettin' busy?
I don't see a new thread, even through the Archives. | NYMary
Me either. Mayhap it was an errant jest.
What did I just say? I've never even been to a Renaissance Faire!
I think Live Free or Die is actually Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, or Ted Nugent.
iCorps are 180 degrees from where they were with respect to employees and taking care of same say 17 years ago.
Corporations are doing what they have to to survive. If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door. What is wrong with that?
Nope - No new thread. We're stuck with the glories of the corporations.
When there was a social contract between the corps and the workers I still disliked em because they were always trying to get everyone to fit into their own little ideas of what an employee should be. Now that they no longer keep up their end of the contract and yet expect me to produce more and more every year (productivity increases), I loathe em.
So the "program" where they capture over a billion US phone records must be a different program? Right?
Yes, it's the domestic program
I don't see a new thread, even through the Archives.
I am thinking that it was a plea!
BTW I just noticed that post attached to this thread has a timestamp of 12:34!
That's got to be good for something.
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Mary Cheney/Laura Bush on Fox News
Insert obligatory chicago dyke fisting joke here.
I notice how Fox is not interviewing anybody on the CIA bust or eavedropgate
hah i bet LFoD would love Market Forces by Richard Morgan, shows the end point of neoliberalism, where comeptition has become a case of killing off your opponent in order to gain promotion.
Corporations are doing what they have to to survive.
Corporations are not living beings.
The corporations are the Romans.
The banks are the moneychangers.
The Bush administration is the Pharisees.
I hate corporations admittedly, but according to my logic, Christ and the bible are on my side.
How's that for spin, trolls?
So the phone companies have simply handed over access to pretty much everyone's full telecom records? Does this mean that basically all emails, transactions, etc. are not private?
Is anything in tinfoil hat territory anymore? Is the government building files on everyone who, say, reads lefty blogs?
We're through the looking glass.
So the "program" where they capture over a billion US phone records must be a different program? Right?
Must be a recorded program. The previous story is no longer in effect.
Bush & Dick, no wonder we're screwed!!!
If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door.
If you have a problem at work, just call on the Corporation Fairy, and she will shower you with Magic Gumdrops. Made of tofu.
LFoD is an incredible Vulgar Libertarian.
Yes, sorry for confusion: t'was a plea...
Corporations are doing what they have to to survive. If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door. What is wrong with that?
Sheesh -- You're, like, a frickin' genius, man!
When there was a social contract between the corps and the workers I still disliked em because they were always trying to get everyone to fit into their own little ideas of what an employee should be. Now that they no longer keep up their end of the contract and yet expect me to produce more and more every year (productivity increases), I loathe em.
That was the problem. There never should have been social contracts between corps and workers. They should be under no obigation to pay for retirement, when doing so would bankrupt them.
*incredibly
Because that ass is like a protective forcefield.
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UNE DigiLynchMobBoss™
Farcefield?
Green's got bottom!
This behavior is in clear violation of both the spirit and the letter of the Fourth Admendment to the Constitution, and should stop immediately. We are, after all, A NATION OF LAWS. Sacrificing even one of them out of ignorance or sloth will eventually destroy this country.
It appears that the 63% of respondents that say they have 'nothing to hide' responded that way by virtue of the disengenuous way the question was asked in the first place. The media again, hedging its bets.
Let's ask, instead, if people understand the Fourth Admendment, and if not, let's READ IT TO THEM.
A little context for the self-centered, karmically-challenged among us...
What do people like Fox's Shit Fume work on for the Sunday shows? OK, everyone hates our guy. Let's hit hard with why the Democrats watched a volcano erupt in Indonesia and did nothing!
If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door.
Uh, no.
A significant number of corpos are not run by Dagny. They are run by her brother James. They hire, fire, and start/end product/service lines based on distinctly nonbusiness reasons. Good people get canned all the time; incompetent idiots get promoted all the time.
oh, snap!
If you have a problem at work, just call on the Corporation Fairy, and she will shower you with Magic Gumdrops. Made of tofu.
Thers, Erudite | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:56 pm | #
And the noodle-y goodness of Spaghetti!
Corporations (like Libertarians) operate under the false idea that they have not benefited mightily from the society in which they originate and therefore owe *nothing* in return. All corporations use and abuse existing infrastructure paid for by citizens, extort massive tax breaks to avoid paying for the facilities they use, and charge exorbitant rates for their products to support not the workers or the shareholders, nor to reinvest in the corporation, but simply to transfer as much money as possible to their executives and to buy political influence. Other than that....
So the phone companies have simply handed over access to pretty much everyone's full telecom records? Does this mean that basically all emails, transactions, etc. are not private?
Bingo. for at least 5 years. I kept on trying to tell you guys, but y'all thought i was being paranoid. If I was a cusomer of att or verizon, I would have immediately cancelled my contract.
Why is no one in the blogosphere talking about the article from Jason Leopold in Truthout which claims that Rove has told officials in the White House that he expects to be indicted?
This would seem to be BIG NEWS.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/
051206Y.shtml
If you have a problem at work, just call on the Corporation Fairy, and she will shower you with Magic Gumdrops. Made of tofu.
Thers, Erudite
Absolutely. Thus, Thers, the other day when the 'Christian Diversity' Borg-approved group sent a global e-mail urging my attendance at the "National Day of Prayer' preying, despite the fact that I had never indicated the slightest interest in being solicited in that way, all I had to do was tell my supervisor that I felt harassed and proselytised and believed the act contravened the Borg's Code of Conduct.
Then, I was fully reprimanded by my Supervisor and everything was as it should be!
A significant number of corpos are not run by Dagny. They are run by her brother James. They hire, fire, and start/end product/service lines based on distinctly nonbusiness reasons. Good people get canned all the time; incompetent idiots get promoted all the time.
HG Bergeron, +r001 whisperer | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:58 pm | #
That cannot happen! Not in LFoD's magical Libertarian wonderland!
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush urged the Senate on Saturday to move quickly to approve U.S. Gen. Michael Hayden to head the CIA and defended his administration's actions in a new domestic spying controversy.
Bush praised Hayden in his weekly radio address as someone who knows the intelligence world well and is "supremely qualified" to lead the CIA.
Yeah, right chimpy. I'm sure those senators are going to jump through hoops to get your nominee through quickly.
all I had to do was tell my supervisor that I felt harassed and proselytised and believed the act contravened the Borg's Code of Conduct.
Then, I was fully reprimanded by my Supervisor and everything was as it should be!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:59 pm | #
What a load of crap!
Corporations (like Libertarians) operate under the false idea that they have not benefited mightily from the society in which they originate and therefore owe *nothing* in return. All corporations use and abuse existing infrastructure paid for by citizens, extort massive tax breaks to avoid paying for the facilities they use, and charge exorbitant rates for their products to support not the workers or the shareholders, nor to reinvest in the corporation, but simply to transfer as much money as possible to their executives and to buy political influence. Other than that....
Corporations have benefited society. They create products that we desire. They create jobs. Companies should not have to pay taxes. Thankful the firm that I work for pays no federal income taxes.
That cannot happen! Not in LFoD's magical Libertarian wonderland!
rorschach | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:00 pm | #
this is what makes me think he/she is young and a bit naive. not to mention the tofu recipe and feeding a family of 5 for under a dollar.
Corporations are doing what they have to to survive. If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door. What is wrong with that?
My friend, please do not lecture me about corporations and their survival or anything else that they may or may not be.
Your statement that "If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine" is laughable and shows you don't know what you are talking about.
I've forgotten more about corporations and the manner in which they operate than you'll ever know.
While I love to run ignorant ass trools around and around, you are complete ass that I'll not waste energy on.
Rave on, ignatz.
They should be under no obigation to pay for retirement, when doing so would bankrupt them.
Dude can you tell me what the inside of your lower intestines look like.
Live FaceField or colonosopaticDiarama should be yer new nic my friend.
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LFoD is an incredible Vulgar Libertarian. -Moonbootica
As I said earlier, I don't think he's an ass because he's a Libertarian, I think he's a Libertarian because he's an ass. People find political ideologies that support their personalities, and only one group outdoes the GOP in terms of selfish bastardity.
all I had to do was tell my supervisor that I felt harassed and proselytised and believed the act contravened the Borg's Code of Conduct.
Then, I was fully reprimanded by my Supervisor and everything was as it should be!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:59 pm | #
What a load of crap!
rorschach
Resistance is futile.
Bingo. for at least 5 years. I kept on trying to tell you guys, but y'all thought i was being paranoid.
Oh, yeah. You know far more than we. You are so smart!
Its just Damage control so we won't blame Bush but blame Cheney instead...
All is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.
If I was a cus(t)omer of att or verizon, I would have immediately cancelled my contract. ~ Live free or Die
But, but, they are just doing what they have to, een order to survive!
¿Right?
¿eh?
Thankful the firm that I work for pays no federal income taxes.
Isn't your break about over so you can get back to stamping out liscense plates?
Absolutely. Thus, Thers, the other day when the 'Christian Diversity' Borg-approved group sent a global e-mail urging my attendance at the "National Day of Prayer' preying, despite the fact that I had never indicated the slightest interest in being solicited in that way, all I had to do was tell my supervisor that I felt harassed and proselytised and believed the act contravened the Borg's Code of Conduct.
Well why cant you just ignore it? When my corporation forgets to order vetarian food during catored event, I dont have a hissy fit over it.
magical Libertarian wonderland!
Again I say: libertarian: useful adjective, shitty noun.
Live FaceField or colonosopaticDiarama should be yer new nic my friend.
Kent - that is a mouthful. Descriptive, tho.
and only one group outdoes the GOP in terms of selfish bastardity.
JeffCO
Libertarians. The Shaddup and Gimme Party.
Corporations have benefited society. They create products that we desire. They create jobs. Companies should not have to pay taxes. Thankful the firm that I work for pays no federal income taxes.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:02 pm | #
Moron.
People find political ideologies that support their personalities
The only remaining Bush supporters I know are frigging misantropes who hate minorities almost as much as they hate women. And history. Really, any kind of dissent.
I keep trying to tell them that by watching Fox, et al., they're willingly being fucked. No response.
Oh, yeah. You know far more than we. You are so smart!
Damn straight!
I don't understand why I'm not seeing more news stories that contain the phrase "control freak".
On the Superior Efficiency of Small-Scale Organization
Er, *misanthropes.
No more improperly-used big words today.
Well why cant you just ignore it? When my corporation forgets to order vetarian food during catored event, I dont have a hissy fit over it.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:04 pm | #
You're no veteran, so why would you need vetarian food?
I have this lovely asparagus and it is kind of cold and rainy in Michigan and Cream of Asparagus soup (with or without cheese) would be so good and I cannot locate my recipe. Anyone have a good recipe? (or receipt)
LFoD paid by the corporations to sing their prasies.
what a cretin
Afternoon, freethinkers
How's your weekend?
That's right, corps should have all the benefits of individuals, many many more actually, but carry exactly *none* of the social responsibility of individuals. And should be immune from any legal actions from actual people.
So LFoD, BushCo being radical antidemocratic corporatists who have done their level best to destroy our society and replace it with yours, tell us how you're enjoying their version of your corporate fantasyland.
I once built a highly profitable Fortune 500 corporation entirely out of tofu.
I keep trying to tell them that by watching Fox, et al., they're willingly being fucked. No response.
Jay C. | 05.13.06 - 4:05 pm | #
of course not...it is the only fucking they are likely to get...
GWPDA - that is terrible.
People find political ideologies that support their personalities, and only one group outdoes the GOP in terms of selfish bastardity.
We are not selfish. We just believe that hard work should be rewarded, and that no work should result in no support from the govt.
billy b
I do what I can.
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Thankful the firm that I work for pays no federal income taxes.
Yes. You should be wildly proud that the company doesn't do that. Which tele-vangelist cult is it?
Well why cant you just ignore it? When my corporation forgets to order vetarian food during catored event, I dont have a hissy fit over it.
Live free or Die
Mongo eat lot catored vetarian food at event.
LFoD should move to Somalia and sell tofu to the Islamists and Warlords there......
We are not selfish. We just believe that hard work should be rewarded, and that no work should result in no support from the govt.
Because everyone gets exactly the same opportunities in life...
Economist headline: "Bush & Blair: Axis if Feeble."
Heh.
What does Cheney really want? He's not going to live that much longer... unless the secret super duper undisclosed secure bat cave is really....(/DUH DUH DUMMMM) a coffin!
Have we actually seen him in sunlight? He's kind pasty and weird looking...
Companies should not have to pay taxes.
Ay, there's the rub.
Taxes are their fees for the services they benefit from. They want the services without paying for them. There's a name for such people in objectivism: second-handers. Which is a nice way of saying "deadbeat."
Pump brain.
Let me be one of the first to say: Impeach Cheney
The only remaining Bush supporters I know are frigging misantropes who hate minorities almost as much as they hate women.
I use to think we had reduced racism in this country since the 60's.
Now with immigration and gays being "issues", I see that racism has always been there, just not as overt.
So LFoD, BushCo being radical antidemocratic corporatists who have done their level best to destroy our society and replace it with yours, tell us how you're enjoying their version of your corporate fantasyland.
JeffCO | 05.13.06 - 4:07 pm | #
LFoD worships at the altar of Halliburton.
We are not selfish. We just believe that hard work should be rewarded, and that no work should result in no support from the govt.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:07 pm | #
How about if a person is too sick to work?
And who the fuck is this "we" you keep talking about? You and your imaginary friends?
What does Cheney really want? He's not going to live that much longer... unless the secret super duper undisclosed secure bat cave is really....(/DUH DUH DUMMMM) a coffin!
Have we actually seen him in sunlight? He's kind pasty and weird looking...
We already know that he sleeps during the day...
Sorry. Meant Axis OF Feeble.
Yes. You should be wildly proud that the company doesn't do that. Which tele-vangelist cult is it?
I'm not going to say, but it is an energy company.
"Corporations are doing what they have to to survive. If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door. What is wrong with that?"
I'll tell ya what's wrong with that. It's a completely inhumane way for us to treat each other, as if we should bow to the Borg, this faceless, nameless thing. Fuck that. We gotta relearn how to care for each other in enlightened ways, not the most unenlightened way possible.
For 900 years, the Tibetans had a civilization that had no poverty, crime, corruption, or even want, until the Chinese came and ruined it. They took as the highest virtue in their lives what we may call the Bodhisattva Ethic, to wit, "I find the highest value and meaning of my life in terms of my service to others."
Because everyone gets exactly the same opportunities in life...
Eli
Bzzt! Can't use arguments from the real world in arguing the merits of Libertarianism. Discussing inefficiencies is terribly inefficient, and all that rot.
Corporations have benefited society. They create products that we desire. They create jobs. Companies should not have to pay taxes. Thankful the firm that I work for pays no federal income taxes.
Live free or Die
You lift that from some 9th grader's Civics essay? Good lord. I'll deal with the first sentence; the corporations created this society, to their specifications. The rest is gibberish.
PLONK! shoulda done that first...
The only remaining Bush supporters I know are frigging misantropes who hate minorities almost as much as they hate women.
As i said earlier in th day that when bush boy's approval rating bottoms out add 2-5% to the percentage and you will have a clue about the population of mouthbreathing unrepentant bigotry in the Republic.
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Dick wants a corporatocracy.
How about if a person is too sick to work?
I could agree to the govt helping that person out.
More Wonderful "Free Market" Reforms From Those Corporate Pirates
Have we actually seen him in sunlight? He's kind pasty and weird looking...
Ach! Cheney and pasties!?
Heaven forfend!
Well, now the second baby electrician has abandoned ship, this time without so much as a word to me, leaving the mechanicals exposed on the spa, and giving no indication as to whether he intends to return or not. Just. Gone.
Who's in favor of me calling the people who sold me this lemon and demanding the replace it with a functioning unit within the next 48 hours?
res - you have mail
res - you have mail
Ach! Cheney and pasties!?
Heaven forfend!
Now, *pastries*, on the other hand...
Times' Frank Rich: Any 'witch hunt' for traitors should begin in the White House
RAW STORY
New York Times columnist Frank Rich writes that any "witch hunt" for traitors should begin in the White House
"What really angers the White House and its defenders about both the Post and Times scoops are not the legal questions the stories raise about unregulated gulags and unconstitutional domestic snooping, but the unmasking of yet more administration failures in a war effort riddled with ineptitude," Rich writes.
"It's the recklessness at the top of our government, not the press' exposure of it, that has truly aided the enemy, put American lives at risk and potentially sabotaged national security," Rich continues. "That's where the buck stops, and if there's to be a witch hunt for traitors, that's where it should begin."
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
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More cowbell.
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corporations by their very nature do not care for a person's well being.
their big, bloated and very impersonal.
they don't care for anyone except themseleves.
Profit is king here and they will do anything to get it, including breaking laws
I could agree to the govt helping that person out.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:11 pm | #
Wow. That is, as they say, mighty white of you.
Because everyone gets exactly the same opportunities in life...
Eli
People create opportunities. There are many people who started with nothing that are doing well. that should be admired not critisized.
Frank Rich: getting shrill
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
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If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door.
Um, no.
Problem is, Hannah's Horseapples is an energy company, ExxonMobil is an energy company; and when you live at the will of a corporation, you can't be free.
I could agree to the govt helping that person out.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:11 pm | #
Wow. That is, as they say, mighty white of you.
I am not white
Tena, if you're still around, here's another one for your collection:
Alas for Little Willy
Poor Willy is no more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4...
Quentin - yep. (sorry)
Local Corporate Welfare: Kelo, TIF Districts, and Cockroach Caucuses
corporations by their very nature do not care for a person's well being.
their big, bloated and very impersonal.
they don't care for anyone except themseleves.
Corporations are designed so as to care for nothing but growth.
And, as Edward Abbey says, growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.
People create opportunities. There are many people who started with nothing that are doing well. that should be admired not critisized.
Live free or Die
Behind every great fortune is a great crime. I actually used to think that adage was too cynical.
I could agree to the govt helping that person out.
Under what conditions, exactly?!?!?
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"Corporations are doing what they have to to survive.
By gosh, he's right! I hate to think what would have become of ExxonMobil if they'd chosen NOT to pay Lee Raymond that retirement package. WHy they would have gone right of business!
The horror. The horror.
People create opportunities. There are many people who started with nothing that are doing well. that should be admired not critisized.
This is the bullshit at the heart of the libertarian ideology. A very small handful of people get lucky on their own, and that's supposedly "proof" that anyone can do it if they just apply themselves.
This is a bit long, sorry, but tangent to today, and how some of these YOO laywers think. Paranoia runs deep in the Reaganite Camps. "The Shining City on the Hill...."
The Shining City on the Hill?
more like Shining Prison on the Hell
JURIST Guest Columnist Glenn Sulmasy, a professor of the law at the US Coast Guard Academy, says it's time for US military commissions to evolve and morph into a national security court appropriate to handle the international jihadist threat...
The Global War on Terror has created ambiguities in both the laws of armed conflict and how best to fight the new war of the 21st century. The asymmetric threat of terrorism itself, no defined nation state to fight against, the relative problems with the Military Commissions in Guantanamo Bay (GITMO), allegations of torture and the recent constitutional issues surrounding wiretap efforts of the National Security Agency all highlight the lack of appropriate laws to govern this new conflict. Nowhere is this ambiguity more evident than in the United States’ handling of detainees.
The “enemies” in the Global War on Terror (GWOT) are men and women who fight not for nation but for ideology, do not wear standard uniforms and, as doctrine, flout the laws of war. These new “warriors” have created extreme difficulties since they are not, de jure belli, prisoners of war and thus the Geneva Conventions simply do not apply to them. Adjudicating their status and crimes has become increasingly chaotic. It initially appeared, relying in large part on Ex Parte Quirin [1], that the military tribunals (currently referred to as military commissions by the Bush Administration) would provide the appropriate venue for handling the prosecution of the detainees. I would concur this was appropriate assertion – particularly when viewed through a post 9/11 lens. But now, over four years later, there has not been a completed prosecution. Over 500 detainees remain in Guantanamo Bay and allegedly another 450 are reportedly are being held in Afghanistan. National consensus and international support of the Commissions has eroded significantly – most notably over the past two years.
As this problem escalates, a new approach must be entertained. This is a new war, one that mixes law enforcement and warfare, and does not fit neatly in either regime. The Bush administration and Congress have adapted U.S. resources strategically, tactically and militarily to meet the new threat. They enacted the USA PATRIOT ACT, conducted the largest reorganization of government since 1948 by creating
For 900 years, the Tibetans had a civilization that had no poverty, crime, corruption, or even want, until the Chinese came and ruined it. They took as the highest virtue in their lives what we may call the Bodhisattva Ethic, to wit, "I find the highest value and meaning of my life in terms of my service to others."
Look, I don't mean to always come back at you, but you are mistaken about Tibet. They had terrible poverty. They were backwards. It was a mess. The different monasteries warred with each other constantly - I mean with weapons - over points of theology.
You can't be unrealistic about what Tibet was under the rule of the Dalai Lamas - it was not paradise. You do not serve the Buddha by not facing reality.
Wow. That is, as they say, mighty white of you.
I am not white
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:13 pm | #
I knew you would say that. Idiot.
And you work for an ENERGY COMPANY and yet you claim independence from government resources!?
Please.
Who's in favor of me calling the people who sold me this lemon and demanding the replace it with a functioning unit within the next 48 hours?
Meee!!!
To bad i am not in the neighborhood, I have had some success fixing things that I have never seen.
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By gosh, he's right! I hate to think what would have become of ExxonMobil if they'd chosen NOT to pay Lee Raymond that retirement package. WHy they would have gone right of business!
The horror. The horror.
What is wrong with his package? He earned it.
And you work for an ENERGY COMPANY and yet you claim independence from government resources!?
???
What Can Bosses Know? by Kevin Carson
What is wrong with his package?
NO FLIRTING!
What is wrong with his package? He earned it.
No - he didn't.
"Now with immigration and gays being "issues", I see that racism has always been there, just not as overt.
chris/tx"
And that has the overall effect of obliging all of us to seriously introspect on both of these issues, within ourselves, to find out where we stand. Are we tolerant, or intolerant? Do we see the good in other people or are we too quick to judge? Do we embrace nonviolence and dialogue?
We doin' body work on our deep karma, and that's a good thing.
Nancy Pelosi: List!
Feh.
Ptui.
Ptui.Ptui.Ptui.
(Fumes)
If you do a good job in a corporation, eveything will be fine. If not, then you are shown the door.?
C'mere, let me tell you about the people I knew who worked for IBM, and joked about working no more than 3 hours a day.
The rest of the day they spent at lunch or on the golf course. Made more money than I ever will. Fired? Hell, IBM didn't even know they were on the payroll.
Corporations don't know squat.
What is wrong with his package? He earned it.
Live free or Die | 05.13.06 - 4:16 pm | #
but people who dedicate their lives and their sweat to corporations don't deserve to be compensated with a pension plan? just throw them away and get newer versions? right?
And why exactly are you engaging this asshole? His arguments are the stuff of elementary school and his ability to express them is less.
When the crisis comes (or is it here?) it would be nice to find common ground with the conservatives and libertarians: nice, but not necessary.
You either believe in individual freedom or you do not: there is not middle ground here.
I am not white
Live free or Die
I always wondered what they would engrave on Irony's Tombstone........
Now I know.
WT's desk is now festooned with an impression of my forehead.
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What is wrong with his package?
NO FLIRTING!
Lee Raymond may be the only man in America with his package under his chin.
LFoD is, i think, arguing from his worldview and is as firm in his belief system as any other fundamentalist. His box contains exactly 64 crayons, and any who claim there are other colors are simply fools or liars.
The sad part is that he's also neither bright nor emotionally mature enough to realize when he's being inconsistent or where his beliefs are belied by reality. His is the one true ideology, the only correct one any intelligent person could honestly support. What separates most of us from him is that we tend to start from the assumption that we *don't* have all the answers, and that our proposed solutions are at best approximations.
ah hah something for LFoD needs to read - On the Irrationality of Large Organizations
What is wrong with his package? He earned it.
Live free or Die
Wow.
How naive can you get?
,i>Under what conditions, exactly?!?!?
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UNE DigiLynchMobBoss
Probably similar to those laid out by Napoli if a woman wants an abortion after being raped in S. Dakota.
Really this is infantile stuff.
,i>Under what conditions, exactly?!?!?
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UNE DigiLynchMobBoss
Probably similar to those laid out by Napoli if a woman wants an abortion after being raped in S. Dakota.
Really this is infantile stuff.
What is wrong with his package? He earned it.
Live free or Die
Yeah, he earned it for his shareholders, but not for the country from which he siphoned wealth. He was President, though not yet CEO, when a ship under his company's responsibility veered off course and broke open the fucking biggest man-made environmental disaster in decades.
Yeah, he cleaned up in Alaska, allright.
He earned it.
They earned those fines for the Exxon Valdez too, but they haven't paid those; in fact, they're still trying to weasel out of them.
My understanding is that in a libertarian world, freedom is coupled with responsibility: you're free to fuck up, and required to pay the price if you do.
Exxon Valdez libertarianism wants the toys, but they want me to buy new batteries and choke on the dead ones.
And why exactly are you engaging this asshole? His arguments are the stuff of elementary school and his ability to express them is less.
It's a hobby.
You either believe in individual freedom or you do not: there is not middle ground here.
I disagree with that entirely. "Freedom" is much more complicated than that.
Lee Raymond may be the only man in America with his package under his chin.
Check out Tyler Drumheller.
cause Vulgar Libertarians are idiots and need to have some reality smacked into them.
Fight the good fight, moonbats! Time out.
Rorschach, then we disagree. But with this freedom comes responsibility - and that is the stuff that causes all of the problems.
But I am satisfied living within the confines of the Constitution.
(And just cause you believe in something does not make it so, you know?)
Well why cant you just ignore it? When my corporation forgets to order vetarian food during catored event, I dont have a hissy fit over it.
Live free or Die
Because I'm not a 'libertarian' and don't immediately give up my individual right to be free from attempts at fundamentalist recruitment simply by being employed by a corporation. Why don't you learn to spell in some kind of consistent language or form?
Well, now the second baby electrician has abandoned ship, this time without so much as a word to me, leaving the mechanicals exposed on the spa
Should le deuxième électricien infantile return, you would be perfectly within your rights to grab said électricien by his [?] lapels, and bark, "Buddy Boy, the next time you try to desert your post and leave mechanicals exposed on the spa, you may rest assured that your mechanicals will be laying right next to them!"
I would expect no less.
I keep trying to tell them that by watching Fox, et al., they're willingly being fucked. No response.
Jay C.
You better be glad there was no response. The only kind they're capable of making involves violence. (Unless that's what you want, in which case they're not the only ones with issues).
What separates most of us from him is that we tend to start from the assumption that we *don't* have all the answers, and that our proposed solutions are at best approximations.
i don't know if I have ever mentioned it, but I like the cut of JeffCO's Jib!!
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Yeah, he earned it for his shareholders, but not for the country from which he siphoned wealth. He was President, though not yet CEO, when a ship under his company's responsibility veered off course and broke open the fucking biggest man-made environmental disaster in decades.
Many if not most of his shareholders are American. He did not siphon anything from anyone. If you hate energy so much, dont drive a car.
Probably similar to those laid out by Napoli if a woman wants an abortion after being raped in S. Dakota.
I posted this earlier, but it seems important enough to post it again.
In fact, I wish Atrios would use his bloggy influence to help these Native American women raise some campaign funds, so as to save South Dakota:
In the wake of the South Dakota legislature's nearly complete ban on abortion last February, more women than ever before are running for office in the state--frequently on women's rights platforms. Asetoyer, a Comanche, decided to run (after an appearance on RadioNation with Laura Flanders) to combat bills detrimental to women's rights and the rights of families that were passed by the last two legislatures. "I feel we are going into a frightening time. Legislators are going down a dangerous path and it is very scary," she told Indian Country Today recently. ''They are trying to get the public to buy into the idea that contraceptives abort a pregnancy, that's wrong. They are trying to go after our contraceptives.''
Fortunately, thanks to the generosity of people like you, Asetoyer's campaign has gained ground. As she heads into the critical last four weeks of campaigning before the June 6 primary, she's up to speed with her buttons, bumperstickers, lawn signs and creative radio ads that started airing on two stations this week. She's also part of a wave in the state comprising three other Native American women candidates vying for Democratic primary nominations in order to take on some of the most reactionary members of any state Republican Party anywhere. These candidates--Faith Spotted Eagle, Paula Long Fox and Theresa Spry, along with Asetoyer, could actually win. But they really need more help.
Spread the word!!
So the "program" where they capture over a billion US phone records must be a different program? Right?
Oh I think there is way more than one program.
That's maybe one reason they are continually saying seemingly incomprehensible things about the wiretapping and data mining.
Not that they are known for their clarity at any time, but I am willing to bet this is only the tip of a a shitberg - an iceberg of shit.
If you hate energy so much, dont drive a car.
Yeah! You energy hater you!
Wow.
How naive can you get?
Rmj, Hippie Wannabe
Aw, jeez, you axed him, now he's gonna demonstrate...
And that has the overall effect of obliging all of us to seriously introspect on both of these issues, within ourselves, to find out where we stand.
Yes, and what did we find out about our fellow citizens?
Voters in many states overwhelmingly voted down gay marriage. IIRC polls show on a national level 50%+ against gay marriage.
The same polls show half the country wanting to kick illegal immigrants out of the US.
Again, to me it is all just racism and bigotry that has always simmered just below the surface. We are not near as tolerant as a nation as we want to think we are.
If you hate energy so much, dont drive a car.
I don't care how stupid you think I am; but you could have the courtesy to keep that dark.
The fines. The fees. Paying the price for the freedom to fuck up. Do you have any bromides addressing those topics?
There's no such thing as complete individual freedom. If there was, it would be chaos.
There are always limits.
(And just cause you believe in something does not make it so, you know?)
DWD | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:22 pm | #
Well that was nice and fucking condescending, now wasn't it?
Many if not most of his shareholders are American. He did not siphon anything from anyone. If you hate energy so much, dont drive a car.
Live Free or Die
If *all* of Exxon/Mobil shareholders are American doesn't make it anywhere near just. They scooted out from under their *human* obligation to make Prince William Sound as they found it.
Fuck you, taking the side of fucking Thomas Nast cartoon plutocrats.
Rova-bo,
I am sorry to say that, een a small way, Pelosi may be right.
But only eensofar as a Democrat controlled Congress would no by eetself have the votes to impeach el Chimperador. Thus eet would find better uses for eet's time een investigating all the crimes, cronyism, and incompetence of thees administration.
Also, I regret to have to say that much of the U.S. populacho would not support impeachment, even though they do no like the theengs that el Chimperador's administration has done to them.
Reluctantly, I must say that I find eet ees better to render el Chimperador impotent for the rest of hees term and ride that eento the 08 election, than waste time on an impeachment that would no stand, and would only re-energize the republiculo base bfore 08'.
I would rather go eento 08 weeth the Republiculo base demoralised, and their leaders lying low weeth clouds of dissapproval over their heads.
Of course, others may see eet differently.
so.
Fuck you, taking the side of fucking Thomas Nast cartoon plutocrats.
Max Planck | 05.13.06 - 4:28 pm | #
Yeah, LFoD doesn't even know enough to realize that Libertarians don't idolize monopolies, but rather yearn for the artisanal days of early capitalism.
Poor dear.
"Because everyone gets exactly the same opportunities in life...
Eli "
Not so, Eli. We each come into this life with our own unique karma from the past. But for all of us collectively, a sage once said, "It's a karma to be born under the rule of an evil king."
And we sure as hell are now. Karma is just cause and effect, determinism, and yet we also have free will. Ain't an either-or proposition.
So the question really is, what traditions do we keep and which do we throw out as no longer applicable, personally, to survive and create balance/harmony? How do we seek happy liberation?
Lee Raymond may be the only man in America with his package under his chin.
Eli
Was he the Ballchinnian in MIB II?
C'mere, let me tell you about the people I knew who worked for IBM, and joked about working no more than 3 hours a day.
Wow.
Someone like that would last, oh, a month where Mr. Tena works. He's an officer of the corporation. He's the first person in the office every day. The president works 7 days a week, 12 to 14 hours a day. His wife is very patient, and they don't have any kids.
"Because everyone gets exactly the same opportunities in life...
Eli "
Not so, Eli. We each come into this life with our own unique karma from the past. But for all of us collectively, a sage once said, "It's a karma to be born under the rule of an evil king."
Eli was being sarcastic, FYI.
Thrrreadbot, she ees back,
and Atrios ees tambien.
so.
Well that was nice and fucking condescending, now wasn't it?
rorschach
I am missing the point here, I think I was agreeing with you. How exactly is that condescending?
I do believe in individual freedom. I do believe that those who do not are not my friends. I also believe there are (rational limits) But are these limits enough to alter my beliefs?
I was just stating that just because you want to believe in something does not make it practical.
I just don't get it. Sorry.
ON the other hand, Mr. Tena and the president worked out flex work schedules for the admin. assistants who have kids and were interested.
"Now with immigration and gays being "issues", I see that racism has always been there, just not as overt.
chris/tx"
Le's call 'em what they really are, eh, chris? Nothing but MEANINGLESS DIVERSIONS. Like LFoD is now. Not worth our time or energy.
How about a biggie, for a change? Think about how much of our tax money is and has been going down the rabbit-hole of no results, to pay all the paranoids that are monitoring our phones and puters, in direct violation of the Fourth Admendment?
It seems from his action cheney is the type of person who even hates himself. All you have to do is look at him. Evil.
Well we've known for a long time that Cheney has a visceral hatred of everything this country was founded to protect.
put a fucking fork in his ass, he's done.
FITZ!
See the handlers moving Cheney to a distance from this stench?
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