I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I don't believe in Fitzmas anymore.
:: juts out lower lip ::
Worst Cretin Ever.
Almost frist!
Almost frist!
Ah,
And now...The Adventures of the Doughy Pantload & K-LO the Early YEARS Part One.
And a new thread - good! I was stinking up the other one. I have to lose my anger. It will simply eat you alive eventually.
Should Al Gore run in 2008 is the call-in question on CSpan. Vicki??
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
And a new thread - good! I was stinking up the other one. I have to lose my anger. It will simply eat you alive eventually.
DWD - Palpably Angry
Cheer up, DWD!
The Washington Post finally found something in the Bush Regime that didn't pass the smell test.
(blogwhore)
Well, time to turn on .... the air conditioning. Record highs here, beginnings of return to severe drought. Meaning many will not make it on the farm, developments will take over using more water .... Vote for Al Gore or else.
Strom Thurmond U.-Dicksville, SC.
Was one of the first colleges to offer a degree in gerbil husbandry. Consistently ranks. Has an auxiliary campus in Nippleville, VA. Senator Thurmond's genitals have been bronzed and are polished every morning by the student tongue squad. Has a fledgling sports team in air hockey known as the Bob Dole Claws.
Nim, Has Jen shown you the wonders of the Farmers' Market here yet? We really do have an excellent one.
The asparagus is fresh and GREAT.
Nim, Has Jen shown you the wonders of the Farmers' Market here yet? We really do have an excellent one.
The asparagus is fresh and GREAT.
I've found that to be angry most of the goddamn time helps me from getting depressed. The anger sort of kills off the depression
Growing Number of GOP Seats In Doubt
Vulnerability Seen In Unusual Places
By Michael D. Shear and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, May 20, 2006; Page A01
VIRGINIA BEACH, May 19 -- When some of the country's top political handicappers drew up their charts of vulnerable House incumbents at the beginning of this year, Rep. Thelma D. Drake (R-Va.) was not among them. Now she is.
President Bush carried her district with 58 percent of the vote in 2004, but strategists say his travails are part of the reason the freshman lawmaker now has a fight on her hands. He swooped into town briefly Friday for a closed-door fundraiser for Drake but made no public appearances.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...1901921_pf.html
Here come da judge.
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off to farm. As a great American recently said: See ya.
Wait! Did someone say asparugus?
Now I'm outtahere.
"Nim, Has Jen shown you the wonders of the Farmers' Market here yet? We really do have an excellent one.
The asparagus is fresh and GREAT.
DWD - Palpably Angry"
Nope, not yet. Oh, and I replied to you below.
We really should get together one of these days, living in the same town and all....
Athenae has a really good book review of the new Peter "Prime Fighting Age" Beinart up at first draft:
Al Gore didn't lose the White House because Clinton got a blow job. Al Gore lost the White House because (pick your pet theory, really) of a tepid campaign dominated by schizo advisors who kept holding him back, a bitchy media that skewered him while lionizing his opponent, and Sandra Day O'Connor thinking George W. "Nuke Laloosh" Bush would be a better president. Al Gore spent his entire campaign running away from Clinton's penis, with Holy Joe at his side with the garlic. That Beinart doesn't realize this proves to me he's so determined to wrench American liberalism into the mold of his own prejudices that he'll ignore any fact that prevents that square peg from fitting into the round hole.
The anger sort of kills off the depression
blaise
Maybe, for a while, if you keep it stirred up.
It's when it stagnates, festers and turns inward that it gets ya.
Abu Al gives the Decider the Shocker!
"And now...The Adventures of the Doughy Pantload & K-LO the Early YEARS Part One.
attaturk "
Thank Jebus you didn't use actual photographic images of those two. My nervous system was already strained enough from the dynamic duo that Atrios posted. I don't think I could handle KLo directly in the face at this hour.
When some of the country's top political handicappers drew up their charts of vulnerable House incumbents at the beginning of this year, Rep. Thelma D. Drake (R-Va.) was not among them. Now she is.
QuentinCompson
Howard Dean's 50-state plan is beginning to make more sense now, isn't it.
So I was watching Fatass Tweety this week and he said where were the war critics in the early days of the war...
He must be suffering from dementia of some kind ...how could he forget his own chiding of war critics as being unpatriotic..
what a fat ass prick
Athenae has a really good book review of the new Peter "Prime Fighting Age" Beinart up at first draft:
I'm shocked she was able to get past the book jacket frankly. Fuck Peter Beinert, that enabler can sit and stew in his own excrement as far as I'm concerned.
Abu Al gives the Decider the Shocker!
attaturk
The chimp looks just like John Connally in those pictures of the JFK assassination.
Good morning.
Bush: Done, ruined and fucked.
That's all for now.
TJ, I read the Daily Kos diary and my only quibble is that we do have a platform but nobody pays attention to it. Preserving S.S., national health care, education, etc.
I've found that to be angry most of the goddamn time helps me from getting depressed. The anger sort of kills off the depression
i also use some rage-therapy to calm down - all the rage-release wears me out!
CSpan caller, it's the environmentalists in the Dem party that elected w. Wait, I tho't it was the SC. ohwell.
I'm talking with a librul who's going up against the incumbent Rep. here and think I will get myself involved. Have avoided political local stuff for too long.
Everybody loves Tweety.
Except a few whackjobs.
TJ, I read the Daily Kos diary and my only quibble is that we do have a platform but nobody pays attention to it.
Well, I think it's fair to say that nobody pays attention to it because the Dem leaders are not out there talking about it. If the media won't give them a forum, then we need to start having our own town halls. Every Dem Senator, every Representative, needs to be out there letting people know what the Democratic Party stands for. And the diarist is correct when he points out that we are not doing that.
we do have a platform but nobody pays attention to it. Preserving S.S., national health care, education, etc.
those dont matter anymore...tax cuts, making oil more expensive on your watch (how much was oil when clinton left? $18/barrel!)...and of course, the coup de grace - WARS to kill off what is left of your treasury...kids need money for school - sorry that money was dropped as bombs on innocent iraqi children!
Nim, Yes, you are right: we do. Have Jen take you to the market today. It is simply wonderful.
Seaway Drive North past the downtown area(toward North Muskegon) on the right.
I'm shocked she was able to get past the book jacket frankly.
I believe scotch was involved.
how could he forget his own chiding of war critics as being unpatriotic..
Because he never did it? However, I patiently await a link to any citation of such a remark.
Wait wait wait . . .
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What do they stand for? A middle of the road moderate corporate agenda isn't very inspiring.
Nim, do me a favor: please let me know where the (&*^)^*(&^ typos are. Because my publisher only prints small runs, we can fix the damned things.
Amy Sedaris is on C-SPAN 2.
Bush: Done, ruined and fucked.
That's all for now.
Better than coffee!
It's raining, I've got the window open, the cat's still all lovey after a week alone, and soon I get to pick up Mex. Life is good.
watching Fatass Tweety this week and he said where were the war critics in the early days of the war...
because dissent is silenced - first rule of fascism-club!
Hey, NTodd. Hope your flight was uneventful. The boyz are gonna be so happy you're home.
watching Fatass Tweety this week and he said where were the war critics in the early days of the war...
We were hanging out in our focus groups.
"Nim, do me a favor: please let me know where the (&*^)^*(&^ typos are. Because my publisher only prints small runs, we can fix the damned things.
DWD - Palpably Angry"
Sure. I was wondering if that was the case, so I made a few notes. I'll email you after I've finished the book.
Found this in Oyster...
So, if we could only get enough suspicious brown foreigners to infiltrate Louisiana's eroding marshlands, you can bet your ass the federal budget wouldn't be "too tight" to build all kinds of "dual purpose floodwalls".
NTodd,
Glad you made it home.
Oh, and because you were traveling, I've granted you a dispensation on Friday Critter blogging. However, you are required to post pics of the boys today.
"Al Gore didn't lose the White House because Clinton got a blow job."
Somehow I think the public had the impression that Al Gore was a turncoat and so angry at Clinton because of the BJ and it seemed he was just being a bit too moralizing (whether true or not). I don't think Tipper's earlier work with music, etc. did him any good rightly or wrongly for the same reason. I wish they could resolve their differences publicly but since Hil is likely to run, that won't happen. But all this is in addition to the fact that the election was flat out stolen and rigged.
TJ - flight was fine once it actually departed. Fucking LGA sucks ass. I feel sorry for the kids that didn't get standby on the "7 o'clock" flight that left at 930--they were on the 955, and there's no way in hell that was on time. Oy.
I do have one nice teacher story: Because it is near the end of the year and I am nearly out of decent things for the kids to read I picked up a classroom set of a book that won the Newberry Award for best young adult's book. (I will not say the name of it, but suffice it to say it involves a black family from Flint traveling to Birmingham, AL in 1963)
The book is okay. I have a few problems with it but it is okay. My kids HATE it. I have been preaching about writing and reading so much that they are recognizing that the material does not live up to the other stuff we have read in class.
That is good: I have at least created a classroom of critical readers.
Oh, and because you were traveling, I've granted you a dispensation on Friday Critter blogging. However, you are required to post pics of the boys today.
Thank you! I will do so as soon as practicable.
Abu Al gives the Decider the Shocker!
attaturk
The chimp looks just like John Connally in those pictures of the JFK assassination.
SteveLG
But where's the magic bullet going in...oh, er, nevermind....
" My nervous system was already strained enough from the dynamic duo that Atrios posted. I don't think I could handle KLo directly in the face at this hour."
i've now seen 3 lamont commercials(i thought 2 were very good...the one with kos sucks ass), and can't believe 'the kiss' isn't prominant in them....i'd be playing that clip over and over and over if i was lamont..
how could he forget his own chiding of war critics as being unpatriotic..
Because he never did it? However, I patiently await a link to any citation of such a remark.
Wait wait wait . . .
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QuentinCompson
Wait wait wait . . . cricket sound . . .
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Fucking LGA sucks ass.
Consider yourself one of the lucky ones. Every tenth plane or so out of LGA winds up in the bay.
Does possible Telco scapegoat Neustar, Inc. have White House connections?
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=1241901
Every tenth plane or so out of LGA winds up in the bay.
LOL!
The advantage of puddle jumpers: they don't need much room.
NTodd
Liked you NY pics...
hey re
what did amykins say?
her book I LIKE YOU is coming out soon....
is her segment over?
i just saw updike...
Does possible Telco scapegoat Neustar, Inc. have White House connections?
OMG - i have been to their main office - they didn't buy our product, but they do host MANY websites...our product would not have anything to do with the gathering of information
Liked you NY pics...
Thanks! It's a rather photogenic city. I like just capturing little snips of life there, mostly because it's rather foreign to me.
Seriously, about ten years ago, a flight (US Air, I think) wound up in the bay in a snowstorm. A couple of people got killed. Finally, all but one of the passengers was accounted for. No one could find this guy anywhere: in the plane, in the bay, on the ground. Finally, his wife is reading the paper one morning and says, "Honey, the authorities are looking for you." Apparently, the guy had made it out of the plane, swimmed to shore, walked to the terminal, hailed a cab, and gone home without saying a word to anyone.
I guess he was in shock.
(Is "swimmed" a word? WTF? is the past tense of "swim?")
So I'm in the Useless Airways Club at LGA.
Always referred to it as Uppa-You-Ass.
Not my favorite airline, either.
i've now seen 3 lamont commercials(i thought 2 were very good...the one with kos sucks ass), and can't believe 'the kiss' isn't prominant in them....i'd be playing that clip over and over and over if i was lamont..
jdw
I agree. On all points.
(Is "swimmed" a word? WTF? is the past tense of "swim?")
res ipsa loquitur
Swam?
All over the dam?
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If they build an airport in New York named after Rudy Ghouliani, will the abbreviation be RUD or GOU or SUK?
Ned and Lieberman Owls flying above.
Always referred to it as Uppa-You-Ass.
US Scare....
Oh, I always post the NOLA rants so here is some of the positive
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/
edi...18111117480.xml
Always referred to it as Uppa-You-Ass.
Not my favorite airline, either.
Odd thing is, they're the one I've flown the most in my career. Just so happened that they've got the "best" service to a lot of the locations I'd teach, so I built up a bazillion miles on them, and very few on Untied [sic] and the others. At least they had better upgrade policies than Untied in the good ole days...
All over the dam?
But we had high hopes
how could he forget his own chiding of war critics as being unpatriotic..
Because he never did it? However, I patiently await a link to any citation of such a remark.
Wait wait wait . . .
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QuentinCompson
any transcript of nerfball during 2001 esecially interviews about REp Barbara Lee D California
Any discussion of JOhn Kerry and any remark the big lard butt made about his own brother's military service
particularly an interview with Bob Kerrey during the 2004campaign
Odd thing is, they're the one I've flown the most in my career.
My experience with USAir (as it was known then) was in the early 80's when the only way to get from Mempho to Philly was to fly them. Always stopped at Pittsburgh at the home base and I can't tell you how often that the plane would break in Pitt. One time I sat on the plane for 8 hours...
Then the old Republic Airlines opened a route or two and I could take them.
The were much more reliable.
"Cheney launches new assault on war critics". Hardball with Chris Matthews CNBC, 19 April 2002
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 05.20.06 - 9:16 am
Funny how there is no citation of a link or even an identified quote of Matthews chiding any war critic for being unpatriotic.
Truth matters.
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Keep Playing 'Hardball' with Chris Matthews and MSNBC
by Rep Louise Slaughter
Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:07:16 PM PDT
Please only recommend this diary if you think others should see the information I'm posting.
Over the last few days, I have watched with concern as prominent media personalities and political pundits like Chris Matthews have engaged in reckless rhetoric comparing critics of the Bush Administration to the world's most wanted terrorist, Osama Bin Laden. This isn't just offensive, it's absurd-- and harmful to our nation.
I share your outrage about the insulting comparison between Democrats and the man who is actively pursuing America's annihilation. I urge you to keep up your public pressure on MSNBC so that it gets the message that these reckless comparisons to Bin Laden made by its commentators don't have any place in our political discourse.
Rep Louise Slaughter's diary
No matter what their personal political beliefs may be, all Americans are united in their desire to bring a barbaric terrorist who struck America on September 11th, 2001 to justice. And though we may not always agree on the tactics used, we must stand together in our commitment to protect this nation and it's citizens from harm.
On November 1, 2005, Chris Matthews accused Democrats of "perhaps exploiting" the tragic deaths of our brave men and women serving in Iraq (Hardball, 11/1/05). To suggest that the deaths of our service men and women could be used for political gain cheapens their sacrifice and trivializes the debate on one of the most important policy issues facing our nation. I might be able to chock this up to a callus slip of the tongue if it weren't for the fact that these irresponsible comments are becoming a pattern for Mr. Matthews and other hosts on his network.
Since May 18, 2005, Chris Matthews has made statement after statement to do the Administration’s bidding
And last week, in one day, three different MSNBC hosts compared those who dare to question the Administration to America's most hated terrorist. Mr. Matthews latest affront to responsible journalism took the form of comparing war critics to Osama bin Laden (Hardball, 1/19/06). Perpetuating this offensive trend, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough piled on, "If you look at a lot of the things that Osama bin Laden said, it sounds like an awful lot like what we hear from a lot of the president`s political enemies domestically." (Scarborough Country, 1/19/06). Tucker Carlson said, "Coming up, on THE SITUATION, we`ll listen to more of that chilling Osama bin Laden tape. I`ll tell you why bin Laden is starting to sound a lot like Howard Dean." (The Situation with Tucker Carlson, 1/19/05).
Comparisons between Americans and Osama bin Laden have no place in our national discourse. This rhetoric is pointlessly divisive and serves only to distract us from our most pressing priority: the capture of Osama bin Laden and the destruction of his terrorist organization.
QuentinCompson
you are a stupid ignorant asshole just like your hero
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 05.20.06 - 9:27 am
Funny how the quotes are from Scarboy and Fucker Carlson and NONE of the quotes are of Matthews chiding war critics for being unpatriotic.
Guess what - there are no quotes of Matthews saying war critics are unpatriotic.
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I guess being unable to read is part of your problem
the article quotes Matthews as comparing war critics to Bin Ladin
you remain an idiot just like your hero
do you spit when you talk too?
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 05.20.06 - 9:43 am
There is no quote from Matthews, so why would you say it quotes Matthews?
And I detest Chris Matthews. Not that that has anything to do with what is true and what is false.
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Matthews latest affront to responsible journalism took the form of comparing war critics to Osama bin
laden (Hardball, 1/19/06)
Special thanks must go to Atrios of Eschaton, my blog du jour for the past several years, if mostly for his putting up with an at times trying presence on his enormously long and wonderfully numerous threads.
The comment boards of blogs have taught me a lot about writing and thinking on my feet. It is a hard school, maybe a fool will learn in no other. One of the things which has helped is the swift and sure hammer of the preson who can prove that what you have just said is wrong or who is not hesitant to tell you what you are full of. Though not immediately edifying sometimes this spurs the commenter to sharpen their argument, sometimes to sheepishly admit that they are wrong. If the traditional media would listen to its serious critics instead of ignoring them to take in the flattery of people they are supposed to be covering, their employers and each other "the Horse" wouldn't be so sadly needed today.
Chris ♥ George, Part 2: "Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs ..." Insulting the majority of Americans who hold an unfavorable opinion of President Bush, Matthews exclaimed on Hardball: "Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs, maybe on the left," adding, "I mean, like him personally." [Hardball, 11/28/05]
Chris ♥ George, Part 3: Matthews praised Bush speech as "brilliant" even before it was delivered. Before Bush had even delivered his November 30 speech at the U.S. Naval Academy, Matthews used variations of the word "brilliant" twice to describe it, while deriding Democratic critics of the Iraq war as "carpers and complainers." [MSNBC live coverage, 11/30/05]
why not just change your name to Uriah Heep you stupid jerk
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 05.20.06 - 9:54 am
I'm certain that you understand what it means to point out a QUOTE of Chris Matthews saying that a war critic(s) is unpatriotic. A 'quote' is the person's own words.
I have to run pick up some things, but I'll check back here when I return, and I won't find such a quote.
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1. What is your complaint with Chris Matthews and MSNBC?
Chris Matthews is a major opinion leader who has repeatedly compared Americans concerned about the war in Iraq to Osama bin Laden, a charge that borders on accusing over half the American public with treason. Matthews is perceived, wrongly, as a responsible and objective mainstream journalist with a reputation for calling it as he sees it. That gives his partisan smears a veneer of credibility that makes them particularly offensive and dangerous in a nation at war. It is wrong for Chris Matthews and MSNBC to politicize the deaths of 3,000 Americans on September 11.
2. What exactly did Chris Matthews say?
Hardball, January 19, 2006
MATTHEWS: You point out that [Osama bin Laden] — you believe that he‘s also — he‘s trying to really talk to the Muslim people of the world who he has harmed so much in places like Iraq, but let me read some of these lines. I know you‘ve been over these, Senator, almost like Biblical text trying to figure these things out. But look at this line.
This is from bin Laden in the audio today. “There is no defect in the solution other than preventing the flow of hundreds of billions to the influential people and war merchants in America.” I mean, he sounds like an over-the-top Michael Moore here, if not a Michael Moore. Do you think that sells in America, that this war is being fought for the Daddy Warbucks?
Video & Transcript
Hardball, January 20, 2006
MATTHEWS: Why is [Osama bin Laden] doing it? Why is he trying to track what he picks up in the Internet and from the media as the lingo of the left in America, like Moore? Why would he start to talk like Moore? People misunderstood what I said last night. I think he's getting some advice from people, he's getting some lingo, some wordage that he hears working somewhere in the United States about this being for war profiteers and he's jumping on every opportunity.
Video & Transcript
Hardball, July 8, 2004
"MATTHEWS: What happens, Senator Breaux, if it looks like that Al Qaeda is playing cards here, playing a game of trying to get people to vote Democrat for president, to basically make their case worldwide? Doesn't it put your party in a terrible position of having Al Qaeda rooting for you?
pick up a brain while you are out
At last, actual quotes! But none of them say that war critics are unpatriotic, do they?
Hardball, January 19, 2006 - nada.
Hardball, January 20, 2006 - zip.
Hardball, July 8, 2004 - zilch.
I can see you are making the effort to dig up the damning quote, and I tip my hat to you for that, but you simply will not find it. A main reason is that Matthews has opposed and criticized the war in Iraq from 2002 until now. While he can be a whackjob sometimes, I do not think he ever said, in effect, "I am unpatriotic.".
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you remain an stupid idiot with no conception of what people are saying
While suggesting that his viewers should trust the president because of Bush's acknowledgement that the U.S. is not going to prevail in Iraq during his own presidency, Matthews failed to address whether previous claims about Iraq by the Bush adminstration -- "Mission Accomplished," the insurgency in Iraq is in "the last throes," and the U.S. is winning in Iraq -- also should have earned him the public's trust
Notwithstanding Matthews's Democratic roots (former speechwriter to President Jimmy Carter, aide to several Democratic members of Congress), during a 2003 episode of Hardball, Matthews told Republican pollster Frank Luntz, "I'm more conservative than people think I am. ... By the way, I voted for [President George W.] Bush. ... I like to surprise people." Matthews's praise for Bush has at times been effusive; in 2005, he said that Bush "glimmers" with a "kind of sunny nobility"; that "[e]verybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs"; and that, if he succeeds in creating a democracy in Iraq, Bush "belongs on Mount Rushmore."
show me any quote that indicates Matthews has been opposed to the Iraq war...even today
Still no quotes calling war critics unpatriotic, eh?
And what is that bit that you seem to be quoting there? Whoever said that is obviously not paying attention because Matthews has repeatedly addressed the false claims about the Iraq war.
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In the wide-ranging conversation conducted earlier this week, on the day that ratings-challenged MSNBC announced it had added ultra-right attack dog Michael Savage to its lineup, Matthews assailed neo-conservative Iraq hawks, slapped Bush for sitting "on Sharon's lap" (but explained why he likes him anyway), laid out what's wrong and right with Fox News, and worried about whether his antiwar stand is hurting his ratings.
You like to say that the missing element in the war debate is a debate. Why do you think that is?
It's so tricky to give an honest answer to this. Motives are so hard to get to. There are people opposed to this war who are trying to stop it, and there are people who are just posing as critics. For example, if the Democrats wanted to stop a court appointment because it was essential to NARAL, or Norman Lear's group, People for the American Way, they'd do everything they could: They might filibuster, you know they'd campaign hard against the person, they'd really try to win. From Bork to Thomas to Estrada, they go in, they try to win. And back during the Vietnam War, that was a real opposition, where you use all the power in your hands to stop something that's wrong for the country. You had [Sen. Wayne] Morse, you had [Sen. Frank] Church -- they went after the money. I don't see that in this debate at all. I see people who are just posturing.
Well, Ted Kennedy wants the president to come back to Congress for approval before we invade.
But they voted for the resolution before the election. And I can't explain that -- I can't explain Dianne Feinstein's vote. I can't explain John Kerry's vote. I can't explain Chuck Schumer's vote. This was a blank check for war
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/...hews/
index.html
Matthews supported the war until 2004
Of course, nothing quite beats Chris Matthews’ self-conscious homoerotic paean to Bush from “Mission Accomplished Day;” his hasty revision of his statement (implying that it’s just women, and not men such as himself, that support Bush because they are attracted to him sexually) is Unintentional Comedy Gold:
“We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It’s simple. We’re not like the Brits.”
(MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, 5/1/03)
Chris’ exhortation to his viewers to “check it out” was accompanied by a repeat display of the infamous Bush aircraft carrier photo, with Bush’s nether regions bulging conspicuously. Three years later, on Hardball, Matthews smirked through a replay of Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” speech before an interview with Ted Kennedy. Here was Chris’ mocking intro to that segment:
Good evening. I’m Chris Matthews. Welcome to HARDBALL. Three years ago today President Bush top gunned a jet and landed on an aircraft carrier decked out with the banner “Mission Accomplished.”
Since that day 2,258 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraq and over 17,000 have been wounded in a war that seems increasingly like a mission impossible.
Matthews made no mention of his own conduct from three years ago at any point during the show.
Did you read the Salon article I linked? It's from February 14, 2003 - preinvasion. He has never supported our war in Iraq. He has opposed it since 2002. Why do you fight reality?
And on the war, I think my numbers would be a lot higher if I were out there beating the drum for this war. In fact, I don't think it, I know it. But I can't be for the war.---And then there's Israel - a lot of people support Israel, and it's important to Israel to take out Iraq. So it's all mixed together. It's a combination of motives.---And then what? On to Iran, on to Syria? If you talk to the conservatives who come on my show, they want to squeeze Iran and Syria, maybe Lebanon too. And I don't know how much of this is the president's policy himself.---But the U.S. has married a down-the-line, right-wing policy toward Israel with an anti-Arab, anti-Muslim policy toward the region. And that's too bad.---Every geography book in the world is going to say 'American-occupied Iraq' over the map of Iraq. That's going to be the most glaring indignity the Arabs have ever faced.---Every school in the Arab world will be a madrass school. Right. And nobody ever explained to me why we kept troops there all these years, when we know it drove them crazy. We're not even using them this time around. So why not get them out?---I believe the president. I believe the words that come out of his mouth. I believe he wants to be a liberator. I think he believes the neo-conservative tracts - he's adopted the lingo of this crowd. 'Weapons of mass destruction.' 'Regime change.' They own the Op-Ed pages.---I can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I can't, so I'm not.---I keep wondering: Is there such a thing as a neo-conservative who doesn't have a column? I'm serious about this. Is it required to have a column to be a neo-conservative? I don't know anybody who doesn't have some kind of column who's a neo-conservative.---I mean, they contend we're going to be received as liberators, not aggressors or colonizers. Well, how do they know? I mean, somebody honest like Ken Pollack will say, 'You know, we don't really know.'---I think people in the Muslim world are going to see this as the Second Crusades.---I think there are several factors here. Most people agree you have to stop weapons of mass destruction - the question is how. Then there's the emotional response to 9/11, there's an emotional demand for payback, which a lot of journalists are reluctant to question.---It would be helpful if there were someone telling the president, well, yes, there is this danger from Iraq, but there's almost a certitude of inflaming the world against us if we intervene.---Most Americans don't travel much - some of these guys never leave the country. Still they say, 'They hate us already. It doesn't matter what we do in Iraq.' But nothing's more dispiriting than saying there's nothing we can do.
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That's like what's-his-name, the guy who shot the kids in the subway. Bernard Goetz. It's that kind of foreign policy. We just go after the guys we don't like.---The conservative media world, the Bill Kristols, they're all saying, 'Don't deal with Arafat, and push regime change in Iraq.' It's all the same policy, and that's the policy that's destroying this administration.---The question will be, 'Do they hate us or not? Do they have a grievance?' Well, they will after this, won't they?---Then the administration tied it in to the regional dispute between Israel and its enemies, as if that's about international terrorism. No, it's not.---We're taking on a billion people. A battle for Baghdad could ignite a war with Islam.---We've always had a dual role in the region - friend of Israel, and honest broker. We've given up the honest broker role completely.---We've got to recognize that when we march into Iraq, we're setting up the card tables in front of every university in the Arab world, the Islamic world, to recruit for al-Qaida.---Well, the right-wing policy with regard to Israel - the people who don't want to deal with Arafat, who don't want a Palestinian state - the whole sort of right-wing view is consistent with the view toward Iraq. It's the same policy and the same people.---Why didn't we recognize how much it bothered them spiritually and politically?---Why don't we just go set up the card tables ourselves, right now? Sign them up to commit suicide. And you never hear anybody talking about this.---With Bush, it's probably a combination of oil, the father, the politics of the evangelicals in the South, who support Israel, and Jewish voters. It's very dangerous to speculate about motives, though. It doesn't get you anywhere. All it does is agitate people.---You don't know whether he's thought through how this is going to affect the Middle East.
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You're one of the few mainstream American commentators or journalists who'll take on these questions directly -- openly question our support for the Sharon approach, oppose the Iraq war. Why do you think that is?
Yeah, who's with me? Nobody's with me, on television anyway. I think there are several factors here. Most people agree you have to stop weapons of mass destruction -- the question is how. Then there's the emotional response to 9/11, there's an emotional demand for payback, which a lot of journalists are reluctant to question. And then there's Israel -- a lot of people support Israel, and it's important to Israel to take out Iraq. So it's all mixed together. It's a combination of motives.
What's driving the president?
With Bush, it's probably a combination of oil, the father, the politics of the evangelicals in the South, who support Israel, and Jewish voters. It's very dangerous to speculate about motives, though. It doesn't get you anywhere. All it does is agitate people. I believe the president. I believe the words that come out of his mouth. I believe he wants to be a liberator. I think he believes the neo-conservative tracts -- he's adopted the lingo of this crowd. "Weapons of mass destruction." "Regime change." They own the Op-Ed pages. I keep wondering: Is there such a thing as a neo-conservative who doesn't have a column? I'm serious about this. Is it required to have a column to be a neo-conservative? I don't know anybody who doesn't have some kind of column who's a neo-conservative.
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"I can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I can't, so I'm not."
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your idea of reality bites
you must be related to him to be in such denial
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 05.20.06 - 1:38 pm
Yea, so? You still cite no evidence that Matthews ever said that war critics were unpatriotic, which is the original topic. Do you finally concede that he never said that? It's kinda important, like if someone went around saying that you were a Bush supporter and voted for him twice for president and you like the war in Iraq. Assuming that you weren't, didn't and don't, then that person should back down and retract the remarks, right? Consider this an invitation.
And on the secondary matter, Matthews' long-held and consistent opposition to the Iraq war - you do agree that the February 14, 2003 Salon interview and the numerous pre-war quotes I cited are proof that your "Matthews supported the war until 2004" claim is fatuous, unsupported nonsense, don't you?
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Matthews previously had expressed at least tepid support for the war, and had been somewhat critical of the French position.
MEDIA MATTERS
Chris Matthews: 'The French were right'
So was Dean, MSNBC host says, calling Iraq war 'big mistake'
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Posted: January 26, 2004
"We're all neo-cons now."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)
Lardbut Spittune Face liked the war until Cowboy George got caught in the quagmire
Matthews previously had expressed at least tepid support for the war
I have cited the pre-war interview where he discusses his opposition to the upcoming war, and dozens of his quotes in the same vein. Nothing you say is responsive to the interview or the quotes.
Did Media Matters cite a quote of Matthews expressing "tepid support" for the war? I don't find any Matthews' quote at their site for January 2004. Perhaps neither they nor you can find a quote to even misconstrue as "tepid support" for the Iraq war, particularly considering the extensive informatin in print belying such a claim.
Give it up. He never said that dissent was unpatriotic. He has opposed the Iraq war for almost four years. The public record proves these points.
Yield?
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Gee QuentinCompson
LardButt's a liar and hypocrite and is now trying to pretend his endless cheerleading for Bush never happened.
and you are happy to buy in
Matthews conduct throughout the 2004 campaign was horrible and it centered around the war and his support for Bush ..who he admitted he had voted for
matthews not only lies about his own position on the war but about other people's as well
Media Matters for America
Matthews falsely claimed new poll represents "first time" majority has said "we were wrong to go to Iraq"
Summary: Chris Matthews falsely claimed that a recent CBS/New York Times poll indicated that "the American people for the first time, now, really have a majority view that we were wrong to go to Iraq." In fact, in seven previous CBS/New York Times polls, a majority of respondents have said the United States "should have stayed out" of Iraq.
On the May 10 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews falsely claimed that a recent CBS/New York Times poll indicated that "the American people for the first time, now, really have a majority view that we were wrong to go to Iraq." In fact, in seven previous CBS/New York Times polls, a majority of respondents have said the United States "should have stayed out" of Iraq
But Liars, he can be a liar and a hypocrite and a horrible Bush voter yet still have never said that dissent was unpatriotic, yet still oppose the Iraq war. See?
I may actually detest Matthews more than you do. I get the feeling that I admire Bill Clinton more than you might, and Matthews' treatment of Clinton is the worst journalism I have ever seen, outside the seg press in the South during the fifties/sixties. But while I'm against him for his Clinton-bashing and several other things, I'm with him in opposition to the war, and with him against the treasonous Plame traitors. I take particular exception when the raging Tweety hatred blinds some to obvious facts, because until recently very few in the press have openly opposed the war or stood up for Plame. Matthews has been an almost solitary voice in the MSM against the war and against the leakers.
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"houston,we have a 9/11 truth movement,copy that?"
"copy that,houston,standby..."
how about:
>a katrina truth movement
>a voting machine truth movement
>a cia truth movement
>a warrentless domestic wiretap movement
>a congressional corruption truth movement
how about we just combine all truth movements into ONE BIG TRUTH MOVEMENT and restore democracy in this country instead of moving to canada?the bigger they are,the harder they fall,see ya in edinbbourough,holy joe,YOU ARE THE FIRST TO GO BUT NOT LAST--eat a peach for peace,trash
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