I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
FRIST
Ah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Suck it.
second?
froth
Fine. Third. Although a case could be made for second, what with billy b hogging all the top spots. 
Ooops, where are my manners?
Please forgive my last post, Jezzy.
I am Gov Thomas H Kean, and I own a mansion and a yacht. Eheheheheheheheh.
Maybe we should start outsourcing government. That is what they have been doing with our jobs...
Top Ten
But don't inferior people deserve representation, too?
"Plato said, "The penalty for not participating in government is to be governed by your inferiors." Think about it. It may be happening."
So his son is campaigning for Senate as a strong supporter of the Inferiors...?
But don't inferior people deserve representation, too?
don't they have plenty already?
Anyone care to explain? It's a little frustrating, usin' the Innernets on a mochine that may well crash the moment I click on an untoward link... 
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y'know, i'm getting a little tired of all these people with the inside skinny talking trash WAY after the fact.
why the hell didn't you speak out sooner, douchebag? why did you let the administration cover up the facts you discovered?
grandma jack is tecchy sometimes.
But don't inferior people deserve representation, too?
You appeal to the government with the representation you have, not...
What watertiger said. Assholes. Partisanship first last and always, or at least until its too late to matter.
letterman said the same thing to Mary Cheney last night, pretty much.
Said nothing to me.
why the hell didn't you speak out sooner, douchebag?
NJ and keeping your mouth shut: Perfect Together!
Jeffraham, here's the relevant part:
Gov. Thomas Kean spoke of public service. He told how when he was the age of the graduating class a young President, John F. Kennedy, urged his generation to public service. He pointed out how his generation was ready to retire and asked who would replace them. He then urged them to at least consider spending a number of their years in some form of public service or other.
And then former Gov Kean (R-NJ) quoted Plato:
"Plato said, "The penalty for not participating in government is to be governed by your inferiors." Think about it. It may be happening."
why the hell didn't you speak out sooner, douchebag? why did you let the administration cover up the facts you discovered?
They like America but they don't Like like America?
why the hell didn't you speak out sooner, douchebag? why did you let the administration cover up the facts you discovered?
watertiger |
Good questions, WT.
about a year and a half too late, wouldn't you say?
tecchy sometimes. plantsman
Are you *trying* to make his imps appear?
billyb:
Did you see my definitive post on
hard rock downstairs?
Keane: "Think about it. It may be happening."
Note that he said MAY be happening. He still isn't sure. Sounds so Liebermanesque.
BushCo is full of inferiors (as well as shit). I am SURE of that.
ugh forgot to close italics. sorry.
Why does Atrios, who I love in every sense of the word, btw, always link to the goddamn COMMENT ANCHOR in the links he posts?
Either he has a good reason or he doesn't, godammit.
Somebody get to the bottom of this, quick, please.
DemByDefault -- Thank you! Much obliged.
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"may be happening"? Bush and the Rubber Stamp Republicans on the Hill "may" be our inferiors?
UC Berkeley's Naked Guy dies.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../
n105725D42.DTL
...can't believe that was over ten years ago.
Well, I tried again. Got a site, but nothing there. Thanks for the explanation.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An explosion at an eastern Kentucky coal mine killed five miners Saturday, but a sixth survived and walked out on his own, a Mine Safety and Health Administration official confirmed.
Can we get back regulating these industries again?
Are you *trying* to make his imps appear?
by no means. the personality burqas intrigue me a bit, though.
this is weird. fred barnes admitted to global warming and praised gore's snl skit.
UC Berkeley's Naked Guy dies.
We barely knew ye.
Dixie Chicks soon to be crack whores
http://today.reuters.com/news/ne...IECHICKS-
DC.XML
Why does Atrios, who I love in every sense of the word, btw, always link to the goddamn COMMENT ANCHOR in the links he posts?
I have wondered the same thing.
Tom Kean always sounded like Elmer Fudd to me.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An explosion at an eastern Kentucky coal mine killed five
miners Saturday, but a sixth survived and walked out on his own, a Mine Safety
and Health Administration official confirmed.
Can we get back regulating these industries again?
Lumpenprolitariot | Homepage | 05.20.06 - 6:35 pm | #
Mentioned this earlier but -- how
much you wanna bet that mine was
a non-union shop?
ugh forgot to close italics. sorry.
you're in good company, don't sweat it.
What's Tom Kean Trying to Say?
I have no idea.
Me neither.
Saratoga, that's where the circus museum is. I used to hitchhike down there (from VA) when I was just outta high school, to visit some friends at New College.
Once, a guy a got a ride with took me to a bar called "Show Time," in Gibson, where all the carnies winter. It was only 11 a.m., but the place was packed, with bearded women, midgets, and other assorted sideshow freaks. There were all these dead animals stapled to the wall. Weird place. I wonder if it's still around.
I know I'm not participating enough.
And I am tired of being a victim.
A,
Do you have any neices? I do. "Democracy is not a spectator sport" is a good message for them. My neice is gorgeous, smart, and kick ass. She's not sure that voting has anything to do with her life. She lives in Chicago, not some podunk town in the South.
I think I will just say no to beer, tonight. However, I may have to go back home to fix a sammich, or somethin'. Why didn't I think of that before I left?
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Dixie Chicks soon to be crack whores
Phil
Or:
Crackers don't like Uppity Wimmen!
this is weird. fred barnes admitted to global warming and praised gore's snl skit.
What's next? O'rielly lets people say Olbermann again?
Can we get back regulating these industries again?
Lumpenprolitariot
No shit. The mining industry gets dangerous really quickly when it isn't regulated. This is crazy bad shit!
Re: Naked guy...
More than ten years ago? Almost 15! I was there - sounds like you were, too. We're getting old, folks.
What would you give to be back in Berkeley 1992 right now?
What would you do different?
OT, but just to let you know:
Some blog watchers are actually quite friendly.
Mentioned this earlier but -- how
much you wanna bet that mine was
a non-union shop?
steve simels
well, you know unions are useless in the modern age, and government regulation doesn't really effect regular peoples' lives and ....aaaaarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
I can't believe how quickly the mine safety issue faded. Where's the fucking outrage indeed. Goddammit.
And on that note, I'm getting ready
to go out for the traditional
quaffing of elitist chardonnay with
my satanic commie pals blah blah blah.
See you guys later!!!!
NJ and keeping your mouth shut: Perfect Together!
JeffCO
NOT this New Jersey lady!
An explosion at an eastern Kentucky coal mine killed five miners Saturday, but a sixth survived and walked out on his own, a Mine Safety and Health Administration official confirmed.
In about ten seconds the poor schmuck survivor will brush the coal dust off himself and tell the TV cameras that this just goes to show how much God loves him.
"Plato said, "The penalty for not participating in government is to be governed by your inferiors." Think about it. It may be happening."
Idiot is a word derived from the Greek ιδιωτης, idiōtēs ("layman," "person lacking professional skill," "a private citizen," "individual"), from ιδιος, idios ("private," "one's own"). In Latin the word idiota ("ordinary person, layman") preceded the Late Latin meaning "uneducated or ignorant person." Its modern meaning and form dates back to Middle English around the year 1300, from the Old French idiote ("uneducated or ignorant person"). The related word idiocy dates to 1487 and may have been analagously modeled on the words prophet and prophecy.
The word is a cognate in German, Slovenian, and Swedish.
It was originally used in ancient Greek city-states to refer to people who were overly concerned with their own self-interest and ignored the needs of the community. Declining to take part in public life, such as (semi-)democratic government of the polis (city state, e.g. Athenian democracy) was considered dishonorable. "Idiots" were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term "idiot" shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are "stupid."
I know I'm not participating enough.
And I am tired of being a victim.
which takes us back to this morning's conversation about being so time-strapped these days that even one extracurricular activity means sacrificing sleep.
Saratoga, that's where the circus museum is. I used to hitchhike down there (from VA) when I was just outta high school, to visit some friends at New College.
Sarasota.
My hometown, and I graduated from New College. When were you visiting?
well sure, union shops pay better and have better benefits and higher, negotiated safety standards --
but you have to pay DUES, and some of those dues go to DEMOCRATS!
brb -- sammich awaits.
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this is weird. fred barnes admitted to global warming and praised gore's snl skit.
You have clearly fallen through a looking glass, or else it's just someone who looks like Fred Barnes, who besides being the biggest asshole in the world, is Barbara Bush in man drag.
(snark doesn't send my blood pressure skyrocketing like people killed by greed and stupidiy).
"Plato said, "The penalty for not participating in government is to be governed by your inferiors." Think about it. It may be happening."
MAY be happening?
I've always considered Bush Co. to be inferior to me.
What would you give to be back in Berkeley 1992 right now?
Nothing. But I have a substantial 401k and some other investments that I'd turn over in an instant to go back to SF in the Summer of Love. Just one cup of tea looking out over the harbour . . . .
TJ- misspelled, sorry. Let's see, from about 1980 to about 1983. I once sailed a Laser up from Sarasota to Tampa Bay, along the gulf coast. It was a blast.
Trifetca owls.
In about ten seconds the poor schmuck survivor will brush the coal dust off himself and tell the TV cameras that this just goes to show how much God loves him.
Moe Szyslak
Or how they all prayed while they were down there.
That'll work!
tom kean had oil business dealings with osama bin laden's brother in law. conspiracy theory you say? this was reported in forbes. yet he managed to stay on 9/11 commission despite this glaring conflict of interest.
In about ten seconds the poor schmuck survivor will brush the coal dust off himself and tell the TV cameras that this just goes to show how much God loves him.
word. and the guys that died.
Are there even any union mines left? Not long after the Sago mine disaster there was a similar incident in a Canadian mine, yet none of the miners died because they had actual safety huts with adequate oxygen supplies near the face, thy did not have to improvise with a tarp and a hole in the wall like the poor bastards in West Virginia.
Why does Atrios, who I love in every sense of the word, btw, always link to the goddamn COMMENT ANCHOR in the links he posts?
Because he's a GODDAMNED IDIOT WHO NEVER LINKS TO ME!
Are there even any union mines left?
We depleted the unions long ago because of overmining.
i swear that's what barnes said, on "beltway boys". (is that an appropriate title or what?)i'm not clever enough to be a satirist.
Simels, left for joo on a dead thread...
...best of the New Wave, Elvis, the Clash...
No Boomtown Rats?
*ahem*
The Jam
Their guitar lead for "In the City" was copied by The Sex Pistols and The Ramones, and parts of their sound were copied by almost everyone een the early 80's music scene, The Cars, Blondie, Gary Numan, joo name eet.
Simels, back a gato up here, no?
so.
Summer of Love
I'd settle for July 4th, 1976...watching the fireworks around the Statue of Liberty with someone I loved very much and thinking, maybe for the last time, that it was all gonna work out alright.
TJ- misspelled, sorry. Let's see, from about 1980 to about 1983. I once sailed a Laser up from Sarasota to Tampa Bay, along the gulf coast. It was a blast.
Moe Szyslak
I bet it was. It was an interesting place to grow up (I graduated from NC in '97). One of those places in the country that was a precursor for the wealth disparity we see today. Lots of very very rich people. But so beautiful, esp. in the few remaining unspoiled areas.
Are there even any union mines left? The Old Man From Scene 24
and just think of all the blue collar deaths that have occurred unremarked upon, because of workplace safety regulations allowed to be left unenforced.
TJ -- whew. I was just remembering this gal I hooked up with down there way back when. It would just be too weird if you were she. I'm moving upstairs.
I wish I had planned on reporting the event. I'd have captured more of his speech.
Kean was strongly urging the graduating class to get involved in politics and public service. He and all the others spoke in one way or another about the great need our country has for new leaders and new visions.
Tom Kean was most definitely speaking out against the current leadership and using them as evidence to support his call for these graduates to get involved.
Anonymous rapper | 05.20.06 - 6:40 pm
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He also made mention of where our word "idiot" comes from but I didn't catch it. If I'd known he was going to be speaking I'd have brought a notepad instead of the back of a business card!
He's trying to say Bush is a dumbass.
That's great. It's makes me feel so superior, as I never participate in anything.
It was true in Plato's day, and it also happened to be true during the period when Kean was governor of NJ.
He is trying to say this-
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...5/20/223317/
594
Saying much but nothing!
by the way..
does anyone know how to contact ovi web development? cause the only thing they have on their site is thir logo!
thx
As a former NJ'er and alumni of Drew University, AND a former member of the Drew Board of Trustees, I can tell y'all that Tom Kean is not what you think of when you think of Republican. Unfortunately.
I lived down the road from Saratoga when I was a teen. Skidmore was one of those places wealthy familes sent their deb daughters before they got married. Then they admitted men but I'm thinking it still has that old money reputation. So what did Kean mean? Was he suggesting that the country club, old money, noblesse oblige Republicans must take back the party from the DeLays and Cheneys? Bush himself is from the New England old stock but got Texasized. Is he referring to the Evangelicals? dunno. If he was making an offhand reference to his son's campaign against Menendez for Senate, you gotta wonder how Jr. is going to turn down all that money from the 'inferiors' in the GOP fundraising machine where he'll be just another cog in the whole inferior Republican congressional machine, rubber stamping an ínferior agenda.
Pretty funny. I kinda like the guy.
At my graduation, Kean said this sort of thing and also mentioned the Daily Show (yes this is a lazy, passive-aggressive blogwhore: hopefully I've typed my URL in correctly this time).
and just think of all the blue collar deaths that have occurred unremarked upon, because of workplace safety regulations allowed to be left unenforced. - jello
The Democrats need to really be on this one. Not that I disagree with, e.g., having marches supporting the right to an abortion and protesting those who are trying to take away this right (heck, I've participated in the myself), but why aren't we having protest marches about mine safety?
I know the Joe Kleins of the party say "mine safety is boring but abortions mean someone's having sex which makes it interesting" but, in the real world, while most people are pro-choice they feel, as Atrios has described their views, "abortions are icky". It would not only be wrong, but also be politically stupid for us to compromise on abortion (the only people who can get away with pandering, cf. Kinsley on McCain, are those who already have -- undeserved -- reputations as "straight talkers") as it would be correctly dismissed as pandering and as a sign that we Democrats don't believe our positions are moral. OTOH, however, if we continue to be willing to go to bat for the right to have an abortion (something with which I agree we should be willing to continue to so do), but we don't frickin' protest it when miners die 'cause of a lack of safety regulation, people who would otherwise agree with us won't vote for us (or if they are afraid enough of "the gay agenda" -- something which I, even though I am straight, embrace: all of us men need to use proper hair care products -- vote Republican) 'cause "we are more about the right of gay married terrorists to have abortions than about lives of Joe and Jane Sixpack".
In this light, the DLC by trying to be moderate but still taking points of view on social issues which, while reflecting the positions of most Americans, are unpopular (let's face it: most Americans won't vote for people who agree with them on social issues -- 'cause they feel that their own views are less than 'moral' and that they support 'icky' things -- the way to win on social issues is to take a clear stand, left or right although the Republicans have already taken "right" so we should go with left if for no other reason, and then project that we feel our view is so moral we ought not to, e.g., compromise) and also pointed avoiding issues which really matter to Jane and Joe Sixpack (e.g. whether they will survive another day's work) is really taking the Democrats down a worst of all worlds path.
If we Democrats want to do well electorally, we need to stand up for more things that just "the right of gay married terrorists to have abortions". We need to be seen as fighting for the right of Joe and Jane Sixpack to earn a living without getting killed in a mining accident.
[cont.]
This is why, if for no other reason, the Dem. party's lack of unified opposition to the Iraq war was problematic. As it was only people like us here -- the "gay married terrorists should be allowed to have partial birth abortions" wing of the party -- were really in front of opposing the war which allowed the opposition to be seen as the effete elite who don't care about the security of the working stiffs in this country.
OTOH, imagine what it would have been like if opposition to the war focused on "this is yet another way the rich are asking Joe and Jane Sixpack to sacrifice their lives for the profit of The Man". Whenever some people tried it the punditocracy chided them for "trying to start a class war" (and we know which side of that war the pundits are on). And our side backed down! Shouldn't the fear in the richers' eyes told us we were hitting a nerve? Shouldn't we have continued to finally talk about that third rail of American public discourse, our hidden class system in this theoretically egalitarian country?
I hope that the Democratic Congresscritters finally take a strong lead and start really pushing hard for mining safety, etc., laws. If our side is finally seen as taking a stand for the workers, they'll maybe start voting for us.
People wonder why so many vote against their own interests? Well, part of it is that the Democratic party is not seen as actually representing the interests of the working class. Part of the problem is that those who purport to speak for us in the self-proclaimed so-called liberal media really don't care about those interests so they project an image that all of us Democrats don't care. But frankly, part of the problem is that those who are the organizers, the makers and shakers, of our party either are themselves so much part of the establishment they don't represent the working stiffs (e.g. the DLC) or they only make and shake when it comes to social issues.
So my plea is to all of those who are good at organizing stuff: let's continue with the pro-abortion protests, the pro-gay rights protests, etc. We cannot back down on those issues, if only because we need to present a face that we stand for things. But let's start also having some mine-safety protests, etc.
Let's send a clear message that our party of more than about the right of icky people to do icky things but is also about the right of Joe and Jane Sixpack to have a safe workplace in which they can earn a decent living.
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