I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarI pinch.


Gravatarso why is he pushing for a constitutional amendment that will undoubtedly be challenged in the courts?


GravatarOuch.

And ouch again, because I think I just accidentally got pinched by Eli.


GravatarDefense of Dean's party-building strategy in today's NYT.
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Gravatarhas Bush finally run out of ideas?


GravatarAnd ouch again, because I think I just accidentally got pinched by Eli.

There are no accidents.


GravatarDamn tags!

so why is he pushing for a constitutional amendment that will undoubtedly be challenged in the courts?

This is rhetorical, yes?


GravatarA pile of crap like the deserting coward, who was appointed to the Presidency by a court, should not be talking about selections made "by the people".


GravatarIt will never happen. The US media doesn't question. They simply parrot White House spin.

US troops cleared in Isahaqi? Why, yes, the military says so so it must be true. No investigation whatsoever. It makes me sick to my stomach.


GravatarCan a constitutional amendment really be overturned as unconstitutional? I thought that was the whole point of the amendment.


GravatarI wish he'd come out for an amendment banning cats and dogs living together. It's sinful, and ruined my marriage.


GravatarSo not only are Republicans starting up with the "Hate The Gay" rhetoric, we are also diving back into the "Kill The Judges" swamp, too?

Charming.


Gravatar Can a constitutional amendment really be overturned as unconstitutional?

Uh, no.


GravatarFaulkner wadent a dim.


GravatarEven though Bush and the rabid right are making fools of themselves over this Federal Ammendment, you can't imagine the fear and trepidation that the anti-gay marriage amendment initiative at the State level in MA is causing amoung gay families and their supporters these days.


Gravatarso the republican platform is: hate gays, hate immigrants, hate brown people and kill judges?


GravatarWildly OT, but, from August Pollack, Most Bizarrely Freudian Toy Ever. The commercial is apparently real, amazingly enough.


GravatarWhat is Loving vs. Virginia?


GravatarWatertiger -- Probably for the same reason the Tories here are pushing for a "free vote" on same-sex marriage in Parliament in the fall. They literally don't think civil rights apply to everyone. That's Straussism 101, apparently.

I'd like to know after that vote this fall, what are they going to do, revoke people's marriages if it doesn't pass on double jeopardy?! Yeah, that'll last longer than about three nanoseconds in the Supreme Court...

Some days, I wish I were on the Canadian Supreme Court, since it would be so much fun to give these dweebs their heads in their hands to play with.


GravatarUS troops cleared in Isahaqi? Why, yes, the military says so

al jazeera reported that iraqi officials were pissed at the military report...all teh msm parrotted what the DoD put out as press release - there is no reporting anymore, just repetition of press releases


Gravatar What is Loving vs. Virginia?

Got rid of anti-miscegenation laws.


GravatarWhen are smart people like Fisk going to realize we have copied the right wing death squad model of El Salvador and Columbia? The daily bodies are coming from our guys. It is so plainly obvious but nobody talks about the elephant in the livingroom.


Gravatarthere is no reporting anymore, just repetition of press releases

Well, it's just so much easier. Now's a great time to become a "journalist".


GravatarRussian embassy staff seized in Iraq

One Russian diplomat has been killed and four embassy workers have been kidnapped in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, according to Russian foreign ministry and Iraqi interior ministry officials.

Armed men reportedly attacked the Russians in al-Mansour neighbourhood in western Baghdad on Saturday, using two vehicles - including a minibus - to block off a street in the neighbourhood where the Russians were driving.

The men opened fire on the vehicle, killing one person before kidnapping the rest, reports said.

The head of Russia's foreign ministry's information department, Alexei Sazonov, told NTV television that "according to information from Baghdad, four Russian diplomats from the Russian embassy were kidnapped while on duty and another was killed by unidentified men".


Gravatarwallster ...

Got rid of laws banning interracial marriage.


GravatarBut it's OK for a presidential election to be decided by a court and not the people.


GravatarWhat is Loving vs. Virginia?

A supreme court case that declared miscegenation laws unconstitutional.
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GravatarTHE. WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
What a twit.


GravatarTHers,

You fukker, I have a bad back and "hardcore" laughter sets it off! Jesus that is funny!


GravatarWhen are smart people like Fisk going to realize we have copied the right wing death squad model of El Salvador and Columbia?

Copied it!?! The US fucking created it!


Gravataral jazeera reported that iraqi officials were pissed at the military report...all teh msm parrotted what the DoD put out as press release - there is no reporting anymore, just repetition of press releases
mogwai


It is disgusting. This makes me more angry than anything in months. The pictures are clear. Those babies were shot in the head, they were not killed by an airstrike. It's all fucking bullshit. I think Fisk is right, we really have to start asking ourselves who is dumping bodies all over Baghdad? I think most of us have assumed it was insurgents, at least that is how it has been reported, but there is no reason why this must be true.


GravatarCan a constitutional amendment really be overturned as unconstitutional?

You just repeal it, like they did with the XVIIIth.


GravatarIf we let the courts decide that people have civil rights, then the terrorists have already won.


Gravatar[raises hand]

Oh me, please, let me.

Now, how do I go about getting credentials?


GravatarUS commanders knew Haditha deaths from gunfire: paper

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Marine commanders in Iraq knew within two days of the killings in Haditha in November that gunfire, not a roadside bomb, had killed Iraqi civilians but they saw no reason to investigate further, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

A senior Marine officer told the Times that commanders informed investigators they had not viewed the early discrepancies in accounts about how the two dozen Iraqis died as unusual, and that they had no information at the time suggesting that any civilians had been killed deliberately.

But a senior Marine general familiar with the investigation told the newspaper "It's impossible to believe they didn't know," referring to mid-level and senior officers. "You'd have to know this thing stunk," the general, who was granted anonymity along with others who described the investigation, was quoted as saying.


GravatarYou just repeal it, like they did with the XVIIIth.

Yes, but that's not something that happens "in the courts".


GravatarBecause what gays do behind closed doors, under the sanctity of marriage, is a far more pressing issue than health care, global warming or slaughtering innocent civilians whom we've sworn to protect. To wit...

“Before the war, America railed against the Iraqi leader for slaughtering innocent Iraqis. Now the Iraqi leader is railing against America for slaughtering innocent Iraqis.” -- Maureen Dowd, “Teaching Remedial Decency.”
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GravatarU.S. troops cleared of bloodbath at gay wedding


GravatarSome days, I wish I were on the Canadian Supreme Court, since it would be so much fun to give these dweebs their heads in their hands to play with.
Interrobang


Kinda like what that federal judge did to the RIAA, erm, I mean SOCAN.

Heehee.


GravatarSome days, I wish I were on the Canadian Supreme Court, since it would be so much fun to give these dweebs their heads in their hands to play with.
Interrobang


Kinda like what that federal judge did to the RIAA, erm, I mean SOCAN.

Heehee.


GravatarMen are insane. There is no way a woman invented that "toy."


GravatarOh, I would just like to go on record about this issue: POOP!


GravatarBecause what gays do behind closed doors, under the sanctity of marriage, is a far more pressing issue than health care, global warming or slaughtering innocent civilians whom we've sworn to protect.

Yes, this is the Defining Issue of Our Time: whether the queers give each other head impacts us all very profoundly.


GravatarOf course, he thinks constitutional amendments will "solve" this problem, but he completely ignores the existing First and Fourth Amenedments.


Gravatarwhether the queers give each other head impacts us all very profoundly.

If you don't see that, you're just a poopyhead.


GravatarEli,

I meant the run-up battle to any signing.

ah, fuck. i'm too tired to make sense.

it's just a fucking political ploy anyway, like Cafferty said.

I'm going to go stand in the shower for the rest of the day.


GravatarOf course, he thinks constitutional amendments will "solve" this problem, but he completely ignores the existing First and Fourth Amenedments.

Those were created in a pre-9/11 world. We Hate Fags amendment reflects new realities.


GravatarThe politics of parenting

Philosopher Stephen Law is on the warpath. Fighting back at the current fashion for Supernanny-style parenting, he argues for a more liberal approach when it comes to raising children.

Melissa Benn


GravatarI'm going to go stand in the shower for the rest of the day.

Uh, need any help reaching that spot on your back?


GravatarWhen are smart people like Fisk going to realize we have copied the right wing death squad model of El Salvador and Columbia?

I'm more than certain he realized it a while ago. If I'm not mistaken, he's even written about it.


GravatarMen are insane. There is no way a woman invented that "toy."

watertiger, justice., concurring.


GravatarI was left speechless after watching this clip on Crooks&Liars - Beating the Gay out of you

creepy


Gravatartigre,

Do you want to come up and hang? simels is coming up later to pick up that package. We could go out and have a few afternoon adult beverages.


GravatarThe daily bodies are coming from our guys. It is so plainly obvious but nobody talks about the elephant in the livingroom.
Troutski


He seems to be acknowledging this in his editorial piece, but he can't come right out and say it because it won't get published. That's my take, anyway.


GravatarSo it looks like today's death toll in Iraq is 30 and counting.


GravatarIf we let the courts decide that people have civil rights, then the terrorists have already won.
NTodd, Worse Than Hitler




!!!


GravatarI was left speechless after watching this clip on Crooks&Liars - Beating the Gay out of you

That dude clearly has serious "mother issues"
.


GravatarSome reporter with a fraction of a soul left: tie this legislation with the town called Black Jack, Missouri, that wants to ban unmarried couples with more than one kid from living together in the same home.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/ world...8524886094.html


Gravatarblack-water security now enforcing a 'no walk' zone around your house


GravatarSo it looks like today's death toll in Iraq is 30 and counting.

USA USA USA USA
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GravatarSome reporter with a fraction of a soul left: tie this legislation with the town called Black Jack, Missouri, that wants to ban unmarried couples with more than one kid from living together in the same home.



Bring back the confederacy!!!


GravatarU.S. troops cleared of bloodbath at gay wedding
earl 'cliche' guevera



the gays very cleverly hide themselves amongst the straights and sometimes even use the straights as scouts....


GravatarNobel Prize winner accuses US of double standards over Iran

You would think that winning the Nobel Peace Prize would have provided a measure of protection for Shirin Ebadi, a Iranian human rights lawyer who has taken up the cases of Iran's most prominent dissidents, from the wrath of the mullahs.
(snip)
But she does not spare the United States from criticism, accusing the Bush administration of double standards. "America says that Iran would pose a threat if it gains access to nuclear weapons because it is not a democratic country, and because its government is fundamentalist, and this could pose a danger to the whole region," she says.

"But America has forgotten that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and Pakistani Muslims are much more fundamentalist than Iranian Muslims, and Pervez Musharraf [the Pakistan President] did not come to power as a result of an election. The only difference between Iran and Pakistan is that Pakistan is friendly towards America and obeys America, while Iran does not obey America. This double standard is something that the Iranian people cannot understand."


GravatarHow can i be sitting here, glued to the computer and still miss three threads?


GravatarOkey dokey, done for now. Peace!


GravatarYou can see where this is going.

The NYCOA is going to declare gay marriage "A-Okay" shortly. Then, "NY Liberals" (code for "Jews") along w/gays will be blamed for a democratic rout that occurs this fall.


GravatarI'm going to go stand in the shower for the rest of the day.

I'll join you.

Figuratively speaking, of course.



Or not.


Gravatarand at halftime the score is

marines 10
toddlers 0


Gravatar

Of course, he thinks constitutional amendments will "solve" this problem, but he completely ignores the existing First and Fourth Amenedments.


from an academic standpoint, it would be rather interesting to see what would happen when one part of the constitution is in contradiction to another part. but with our current SCOTUS, there likely would be no contradiction, because these jokers will no doubt agree that equal protection does not apply to gays.


GravatarBring back the confederacy!!!
earl 'cliche' guevera


Um, earl - Missouri was not a confederate state. It did not secede.


GravatarWhat is Loving vs. Virginia?

Its worth going back and reading the actual language. If I remember a-rights, the Virginia judge's decision beging with, "Almighty God in his Wisdom..." blah blah blah.

Its worth noting that the last interracial marraige laws was struck from the books...in 2000. In Alabama.

Today it's God, Guns and Gays.

Yesterday it was God, Nooses and Negroes. Same belief system, same fucknut followers, same pulpit, same accent, preached by the same despicable hucksters.


GravatarMen are insane. There is no way a woman invented that "toy."

watertiger, justice., concurring.


I agree as well, even though I am a strict constructionist.


GravatarHow can i be sitting here, glued to the computer and still miss three threads?
ql in ny


many prominent scientists refer to this as 'astralepsy'


Gravatar
He seems to be acknowledging this in his editorial piece, but he can't come right out and say it because it won't get published. That's my take, anyway.

I'llgive him a pass for that, but jesus, somebody with cred needs to just come out and fucking say we are sponsoring death squads in Iraq.


GravatarSome reporter with a fraction of a soul left: tie this legislation with the town called Black Jack, Missouri, that wants to ban unmarried couples with more than one kid from living together in the same home.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/ world...8524886094.html


australia is an odd place, but it's a testament to what sydney thinks of things when it runs a story about bumfuck America.


GravatarUm, earl - Missouri was not a confederate state. It did not secede.
Tena



jus thinking of the psychology


but for a while actually mo was split


GravatarHi, driftglass.

/twirls hair around right index finger


GravatarTony Blair says to Pope - I Like Your Style

Prime Minister Tony Blair has had a private audience with Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican.

They discussed how "moderate voices" from the world's main religions need to work together to tackle extremism and reduce the risk of terrorism.

Moves to end poverty in Africa were also discussed in their first meeting since the Pope succeeded John Paul II in April last year.

Mr Blair has already met Italian prime minister Romano Prodi during his visit.


GravatarYesterday it was God, Nooses and Negroes. Same belief system, same fucknut followers, same pulpit, same accent, preached by the same despicable hucksters.
driftglass

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Amen and selah.


GravatarIn our free society, people have the right to choose how they live their lives.

Unless they happen to be gay.


GravatarMornin', freethinkers

Man, do I need a cup of coffee...


GravatarI'llgive him a pass for that, but jesus, somebody with cred needs to just come out and fucking say we are sponsoring death squads in Iraq.

and that will happen right after someone admits what's going on at the School of the Americas.


GravatarOK, I need to go to the gym now or gargle a bucket of coffee, because my spelling has gone all to hell.


Gravatarbut for a while actually mo was split
earl 'cliche' guevera


So were Kansas and Virginia, but West Virgina and Kansas stayed in the Union as did Missouri and Kentucky.


Gravatarand at halftime the score is

marines 10
toddlers 0



Oops. the referees have gone to the video replay and apparently there was a sprained ankle on corporal j.lemmo---here's the updated score at halftime:

marines 10
toddlers 1/2


Gravatar/twirls hair around right index finger

*pouts*


GravatarAbout that Blackjack family:

Mr Loving, 33, and Ms Shelltrack, 31, have lived together for 13 years. They have two children and also live with Ms Shelltrack's daughter, who calls Mr Loving her father.

That's way more stable and loving than any family that McCain, Limbaugh, etc., have ever tried to put together.


GravatarPalestinian premier promises to pay wages after protests by security forces

Ismail Haniyeh, Prime Minister of the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority, promised yesterday to start paying salaries to government employees in the aftermath of angry demonstrations by security officers over the non-payment of their wages.

Mr Haniyeh told worshippers at a Gaza mosque that the payments would start today or tomorrow of wages to those earning £175 a month, and those earning higher salaries would receive downpayments of £175. The PA's 165,000 employees are in their third month without a salary.

His pledge came amid growing unrest among the Fatah-dominated security services against the Hamas government, which on Thursday saw members firing automatic weapons and smashing windows at the parliament building in Gaza.


GravatarIn our free society, people have the right to choose how they live their lives.

Unless they happen to be gay.


Or children of celebrities. Or both.


GravatarHi, res,
A righty, eh?


GravatarI am so damned glad President Fuckwit has got his priorities so nice and crisp.


GravatarA righty, eh?

Yes, but but with a lefty's head (and heart).


GravatarA past student stopped by yesterday. He gets out of the Marines in July after 3 tours in Iraq. Blackwater security offered him $175K a year to do the same thing for them with the same weapons. He said the good part is if the Blackwater guys get in trouble over their heads, they call the Marines for help.


GravatarSo were Kansas and Virginia, but West Virgina and Kansas stayed in the Union as did Missouri and Kentucky.
Tena




well anyhooo the point of 'bring back the confederacy' is psychological----you could be an illinoisian and think of some vaunted morality tied in to tradition and white sheets and punishing 'immorality'


GravatarYesterday it was God, Nooses and Negroes. Same belief system, same fucknut followers, same pulpit, same accent, preached by the same despicable hucksters.
driftglass


I can't begin to tell you how dangerous I think this all is. You cannot carve out one segment of the population for "special" treatment. Once you do it once, it is only a matter of time til another group is singled out. To say nothing of how this affects the day-to-day life of perfectly normal people who happen to be gay. This sucks on so many levels. Fuck, piss, shit, motherfucking assholes. I weep for my country.


GravatarIt's a well-known fact the founding fathers but a clause against gay marriage in the Constitution before it was taken out in a last-minute editing mistake. That's documented.


Gravatar*pouts*

/blows kiss while facing west


GravatarYes, but but with a lefty's head (and heart).

More than one, I think.


GravatarThis is just another attempt at pushing a previously successful wedge issue to rally the base.
The speech will raise the emotional barometer of Americans and distract them from scutinizing the real issues of the day.
One example is that there is not a single comment about the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. article in Rolling Stone magazine regarding the 2004 presidential election. It is surprising that progressives, or all voters, are not concerned about the integrity of the electoral system. Although previous election results cannot be undone, discussion of voter fraud may go a long way toward preventing further voter fraud in November 2006.


GravatarWeb of betrayal, blackmail and sex that killed two lovers who turned informer

Palestinian confesses on video to helping Israel before he and lover are shot


Behind the cracking voice and occasional gasps for air, Jefal Ayesh knows he is a dead man as he describes how his betrayal began. His eyes dart about constantly; his face flinches. At times he is close to breaking down.

Blackmailed into a web of treason woven from their own deceit and sexual transgressions, Jefal and his lover faced the justice of the street this week when the 25-year-old Palestinian father was dragged blindfolded into the heart of Balata refugee camp in the West Bank and shot as the worst kind of traitor - a collaborator with Israel. At the execution the mother of one of those he betrayed handed out sweets.

An hour or so later Jefal's mistress, Wedad Mustafa, a 27-year-old mother of four young children, was hauled from her home by her brothers and killed before a crowd in an act designed to restore the family's honour.


GravatarNYMary - There isn't much these days that makes me much madder than parents who want to force everybody's child to be like theirs by disciplining everyone's children for their own failings.

If you see what I mean.

Just because her daughters are sluts, she wants to impose her standard on every daughter.

Instead of dealing directly with her own problem.

Jesus.


Gravatarsomebody with cred needs to just come out and fucking say we are sponsoring death squads in Iraq.


Yeah, when hell freezes over, because they won't admit to sponsoring death squads in Central America decades ago, yet, either.


GravatarYou cannot carve out one segment of the population for "special" treatment.

Why the hell not? We do it with the tax code all the time.


Gravatarin a strange way, by forcing the debate, republican demonization of gay marriage has moved it to become more accepted, probably years ahead of schedule.

brokeback blowback.


Gravatarsomebody with cred needs to just come out and fucking say we are sponsoring death squads in Iraq.


Yeah, when hell freezes over, because they won't admit to sponsoring death squads in Central America decades ago, yet, either.


Gravatar/blows kiss while facing west

Pittsburgh west, or Chicago west?


GravatarAlthough previous election results cannot be undone, discussion of voter fraud may go a long way toward preventing further voter fraud in November 2006.

wouldn't that be nice.


Gravatarbrokeback blowback.



GravatarFucking Mormons - I wouldn't give a shit if they'd mind their own business. They can do whatever the fuck - I don't care. Marry 50 young wives - but don't make the whole goddamn country have to marry 50 young wives or dress the same way or not have access to the internet.

God damn it - the Mormons have been political right from the very start.


GravatarGeorge Bush: the only two-term president not elected both times


GravatarJimmy Osmond's a real bible thumper, as well, iirc. Seems to me he's on some sort of nat'l crusade about some thing that needs crusading.. for... and what have you...


Gravatarwell anyhooo the point of 'bring back the confederacy' is psychological----you could be an illinoisian and think of some vaunted morality tied in to tradition and white sheets and punishing 'immorality'
earl 'cliche' guevera


I get your point. The attitude is common from coast to coast - that's my point.


GravatarPittsburgh west, or Chicago west?

Clooney west


GravatarFundie Mormon polygamy would be okay in theory, but in practice it amounts to child abuse, of both girls and boys.


GravatarPittsburgh west, or Chicago west?

Eli, You are such a cutie.


GravatarAlthough previous election results cannot be undone, discussion of voter fraud may go a long way toward preventing further voter fraud in November 2006.

wouldn't that be nice.


It would certainly help if congressional Democrats appeared to care, but they're taking their own sweet time, if they're even doing anything at all.

They should have made this their most urgent, #1 priority to get done in time for this year's elections, or else raise a huge stink about it and force the Republicans to explain why they hate democracy. Instead, nothing's in place, and the Republicans have moved on to further institutionalizing vote suppression.


Gravatargah, i don't want to work today.


at least it's just writing a book.


GravatarEli, You are such a cutie.

Aw, shucks.


(Wait a minute - you didn't answer my question...)


GravatarA past student stopped by yesterday. He gets out of the Marines in July after 3 tours in Iraq. Blackwater security offered him $175K a year to do the same thing for them with the same weapons. He said the good he part is if the Blackwater guys get in trouble over their heads, they call the Marines for help.
Troutski


Blackwater has been advertising for an in-house attorney for months. The pay is excellent and it's close enough geographically. But I can't imagine any scenario in which I'd be desperate enough to send them a resume. Of course, they'd probably do a background check, discover my blogging and that'd be all she wrote, anyways...


Gravatarlast year when I was waiting to catch a train to Bristol, I saw to young Mormon lads also waiting at the platform.

they were dressed all in black and had ' The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' on their t-shirts.


GravatarIt would certainly help if congressional Democrats appeared to care, but they're taking their own sweet time, if they're even doing anything at all.

They should have made this their most urgent, #1 priority to get done in time for this year's elections, or else raise a huge stink about it and force the Republicans to explain why they hate democracy. Instead, nothing's in place, and the Republicans have moved on to further institutionalizing vote suppression.


it would, wouldn't it? i don't understand the "fear." "If we talk about voter fraud, we'll appear CRAAAZY!" well goddamnit, so did the people calling for civil rights!


GravatarWhen I lived in MI, state law prohibited alcohol sales from 6pm on Xmas eve until 7am, Dec 26. I kept asking, "But what about the Jewish people? What if they want some booze?"

Never did get a good answer on that one. I think they've changed the law now, though...


GravatarDo you want to come up and hang? simels is coming up later to pick up that package. We could go out and have a few afternoon adult beverages.

What time? I gotta go to Best Buy to pick up my AC.


GravatarClooney west

Also known as "East".


GravatarAlexander Hamilton:
Cold in my professions, warm in my friendships, I wish, my Dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by action rather than words to convince you that I love you. I shall only tell you that 'til you bade us Adieu, I hardly knew the value you had taught my heart to set upon you. Indeed, my friend, it was not well done. You know the opinion I entertain of mankind, and how much it is my desire to preserve myself free from particular attachments, and to keep my happiness independent of the caprice of others. You should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent. But as you have done it,and as we are generally indulgent to those we love, I shall not scruple to pardon the fraud you have committed, on condition that for my sake, if not for your own, you will always continue to merit the partiality, which you have artfully instilled into me.


GravatarBlackwater has been advertising for an in-house attorney for months. The pay is excellent and it's close enough geographically. But I can't imagine any scenario in which I'd be desperate enough to send them a resume. Of course, they'd probably do a background check, discover my blogging and that'd be all she wrote, anyways...

but, you could change things from the inside!!! *snicker*


GravatarFundie Mormon polygamy would be okay in theory, but in practice it amounts to child abuse, of both girls and boys.
Moe Szyslak




Todays poll:
Should polygamous Mormons be allowed to marry 50 clones?
dial 1-800-elder-tony to vote


GravatarWhat time? I gotta go to Best Buy to pick up my AC.

Hey, maybe they could help you carry it up your negligible quantity of stairs!


GravatarIn our free society, people have the right to choose how they live their lives. And in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental social institution as marriage should be made by the people -- not by the courts.

Stay on target, stay on target.


GravatarThe Conservative Nanny state indeed.


GravatarNYMary ...

What I don't get about the Marie Osmand Slutty Daughters Thing is this: who talks like that? Is that how 16 and 18 year old girls really talk? Think? Either times have changed or I was a real geek at those ages. Which is it?


GravatarFundie Mormon polygamy would be okay in theory, but in practice it amounts to child abuse, of both girls and boys.
Moe Szyslak


Yup. If we were talking about consenting adults I wouldn't care, but we're not.


Gravatarbut, you could change things from the inside!!! *snicker*
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka


Yeah, think of the possibilities.


GravatarHey, maybe they could help you carry it up your negligible quantity of stairs!

I'll be lucky if I can rent a goddamned handtruck from them.

No, I'm in a strictly "fuck you, I'll do it myself" mood at the mooment.


GravatarThe great thing about Loving v. Virginia is that it's such a perfect name for the case.


GravatarWhen I lived in MI, state law prohibited alcohol sales from 6pm on Xmas eve until 7am, Dec 26. I kept asking, "But what about the Jewish people? What if they want some booze?"

Never did get a good answer on that one. I think they've changed the law now, though...


hell, i asked that question every sunday in Indiana. you can't buy alcohol at grocery stores on sundays. you can go to wineries, and you can drink at restaurants, but it was very annoying.

oh, and no alcohol sales on election days. (i think you CAN once the polls close)


Gravatarwatertiger ...

Well, I have to go out at about 6 PM. So some time before that. I'm waiting for him to wake up (and no, he's not here; he's at his own place, you wise guys) and call me.


Gravatarit would, wouldn't it? i don't understand the "fear." "If we talk about voter fraud, we'll appear CRAAAZY!" well goddamnit, so did the people calling for civil rights!

It should be very easy to do. When the Republicans claim it's tinfoil hattery to insinuate that 2004 was stolen, the Dems should ask them why they don't want elections that are immune to those kinds of questions and speculation. Shouldn't the Greatest Democracy In The World have elections that are above reproach?


GravatarBring back the confederacy!!!

And Loveboat!


GravatarWhat I don't get about the Marie Osmand Slutty Daughters Thing is this: who talks like that? Is that how 16 and 18 year old girls really talk? Think?

Yes. Well, some of them. (Judging by some of the things my boys have shown me.)

We have a serious self-confidence problem in this society with respect to young girls. It is way fucked up.


GravatarIn our free society, people have the right to choose how they live their lives. And in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental social institution as marriage should be made by the people -- not by the courts.


And in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental institution as the President should be made by the people --not the courts, asshole.
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Gravatar"mooment."

i'm wearing neither my contact lenses or glasses at the mooment.


GravatarRead an analysis of the Bush / Rove strategy that points out that despite the grumbling from many far right Republicans, the vote on the marriage amendment, even though it won't pass, is part of a calculated effort to turn out record numbers of conservative voters in November...here:

www.thoughttheater.com


GravatarFundies/Wingnuts must have someone to hate. Without that, they'd have no reason to exist.


GravatarFunny about the Mormons. They need to come to the realization that the other "Christians" will throw them to the lions if given 1/2 a chance, yet the Mormons think the cool kids love them.


GravatarI'll be lucky if I can rent a goddamned handtruck from them.

I was talking about res & steve. And then you could buy them drinks to show your appreciation! And to make steve more... pliant.


Gravatarbut, you could change things from the inside!!! *snicker*
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka

Yeah, think of the possibilities.
Tena


A couple of bricks of C-4 would do the trick.


Gravatarres,

i'll probably head over to 23rd around 1 or so. I should be done by 3.


GravatarIt all started with Marbury.

I say we pass a law overturning that one.

Damned liberal courts.


GravatarFundie Mormon polygamy would be okay in theory, but in practice it amounts to child abuse, of both girls and boys.
Moe Szyslak

Yup. If we were talking about consenting adults I wouldn't care, but we're not.
TJ |


Oh I agree and I see even more problems with legalizing plural marriage than just the abuse aspect, which is bad enough. There are all kinds of wacky legal implications.

It's just that personally, I wouldn't mind their practicing polygamy if they weren't abusing young men and women.


GravatarIt should be very easy to do. When the Republicans claim it's tinfoil hattery to insinuate that 2004 was stolen, the Dems should ask them why they don't want elections that are immune to those kinds of questions and speculation. Shouldn't the Greatest Democracy In The World have elections that are above reproach?

one would think that the things that seem self-evident to us out here would be fairly obvious to our elected reps. and yet...


Gravatartigre,

I'll call you when/if he wakes up and calls me.


GravatarOT, but worth mentioning. Hell, I'm gay and this is worth mentioning on this thread
Maureen Howdydowdy:
American troops are under spectacular emotional pressure. They go out every day, not knowing Arabic, not understanding the culture, not knowing who the insurgents are, not knowing when they can go home or which of their buddies will be blown up before their eyes by an unseen enemy.
Rephrased:
German troops are under spectacular emotional pressure. They go out every day, not knowing Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, whatever, not understanding the culture, not knowing who the insurgents are, not knowing when they can go home or which of their buddies will be blown up before their eyes by an unseen enemy.
Yep, it's the same shit!


GravatarBring back the confederacy!!!

And Loveboat!
NTodd, Worse Than Hitler



"I"m Robert E. Lee and I'll be your captain for this voyage. Now, y'all watch out for 'Traveller's' hooves please...."


GravatarIt all started with Marbury.

I say we pass a law overturning that one.

Damned liberal courts.
Rmj


Bite the damn hand that typed that right now and don't give them any more goddamned ideas, Robert.


GravatarBut...

If the amendment passes W won't get to marry Condi after he splits with the lump!

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GravatarWhat I don't get about the Marie Osmand Slutty Daughters Thing is this: who talks like that? Is that how 16 and 18 year old girls really talk? Think?

I remain amazed at how highly sexualised young girls have become, for example my friend Emma's sister lost her virginty when she was 14, Emma thinks she was stupid but to her sister is a sign of being cool.


GravatarIt all started with Marbury.

I say we pass a law overturning that one.

Damned liberal courts


didn't Delay threaten to do something like that? and didn't scalia say that he wouldn't even comment on Marbury, because it might come up some day?


GravatarEli,

oh.


Gravatarit would, wouldn't it? i don't understand the "fear."

During this travling week I had a long verbal punch-up at a bar with an apostate "Kennedy Democrat" who is now a Bush voter and proud of it.

Thinks the only "true Dems" who he would ever vote for are Lieberman and Zell Miller. And trying to get rid of them proves "Hollyweird" liberals are in control of the Party.

The "fear", IMHO, comes from the DLC axis in the party that is still deperately trying to court idiots like this.


GravatarI'll call you when/if he wakes up and calls me.

'kay. if i don't answer, it just means i'm either in transit or halfway up the stairs.


Gravatarone would think that the things that seem self-evident to us out here would be fairly obvious to our elected reps. and yet...

This is what makes me suspicious of their motivations. I had similar questions about the media until I realized they were under corporate control.

Sooo...


GravatarYep, it's the same shit!
zepper


Indeed. There are no excuses. None.


GravatarYuu know about the FLDS Lost Boys, right?


GravatarI suddenly have this uneasy feeling that tigre is one comment away from kicking my ass...


GravatarIt should be very easy to do. When the Republicans claim it's tinfoil hattery to insinuate that 2004 was stolen, the Dems should ask them why they don't want elections that are immune to those kinds of questions and speculation. Shouldn't the Greatest Democracy In The World have elections that are above reproach?
Eli


Pedantic history lesson: just re-reading (to teach) King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail."

Yup. It's kinda like the civil rights movement. Gonna have to say it loud and long, and as Eli says, keep asking: shouldn't our elections be above reproach?

And ignore the brickbats, because that question means change, and no matter how much we love "new and improved," we all want it to the same soap in the new package. What we're talking about is changing the soap, not just the package.

End of sermon. Gimme an ax, so I can bust up the soap-box.


GravatarThe "fear", IMHO, comes from the DLC axis in the party that is still deperately trying to court idiots like this.

Which is because of the DLC's fear of losing control of the party.


Gravatar*attempts to appease watertiger*


GravatarI suddenly have this uneasy feeling that tigre is one comment away from kicking my ass...
Eli |


'stay tuned to this channel for film at eleven'
.


Gravatar"somebody with cred needs to just come out and fucking say we are sponsoring death squads in Iraq.


Yeah, when hell freezes over, because they won't admit to sponsoring death squads in Central America decades ago, yet, either.
JR, kerosene and a match "


Ahhhhhhhh---Men! And, they will never stand up and say the Iran-Contra folks are running the Iraq/Afghannistan/Iran junta either.
Oh yeah, don't forget MSM who is another paid mercenary army for the cabal.


GravatarYuu know about the FLDS Lost Boys, right?
Moe Szyslak


Yes. Why in the hell, after all these things have been revealed, after how many women have come forward and escaped and said they were married against their will, married underage, boys being thrown into the streets, WHY do the authorities sit back and watch? WTF? I do not get it.


GravatarI suddenly have this uneasy feeling that tigre is one comment away from kicking my ass...

no, not you, Eli.

i don't like asking for help for something i consider "inconsequential."


Gravatart would, wouldn't it? i don't understand the "fear." "If we talk about voter fraud, we'll appear CRAAAZY!" well goddamnit, so did the people calling for civil rights!

lou dobbs had a weird segment. objected to chicago buying election machinery managed by a company based out of venezuela. their hysterical take was "omg, that dirty commie hugo chavez is running our elections!"

why point to that but not to republican ties to voting machinery firms right here?


GravatarA couple of bricks of C-4 would do the trick.



you know, i heard a story on NPR the other week, where the truck drivers for KBR were griping that they didn't have enough armor, and admittedly a number have been killed and kidnapped, but the story ended with a widow saying "we hear all about the troops, but never about the truck drivers." maybe i'm just cynical or something but i had little sympathy. they were paid more than 3-4x what the troops make, and they're there as profiteers. they made the "big bucks" precisely because it was dangerous. (and $100k is not really all that much, you know?)


GravatarTraveller's' hooves please...."

Richard Adams "Traveler" was one of the best young adult books I ever read. It tells the Civil War story from the horse's point of view. If forces kids to change their ingrained perspectives about the civil war.

Most adults don't get the book and harshly judge the book for the lack of philosophical judgment, but kids get it.


Gravatar*attempts to appease watertiger*

*tired smile*

pat the bunny!


Gravatari don't like asking for help for something i consider "inconsequential."

I'm not sure that lugging an air conditioner up [redacted] flights of stairs is really all that "inconsequential"...


GravatarPedantic history lesson: just re-reading (to teach) King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail."

Had to read that as part of my frosh orientation in college. I guess I should re-read it as well.


Gravatar*attempts to appease watertiger*
Eli


By showing her a dead rabbit? Don't they have better tests for that nowadays?


GravatarRFK jr. puts together a concise, readily available gathering of the information which shows the republicans are systematically disenfranchising voters by the millions, subverting our elections and we worry about Byron Fucking York?

Good on ya, big bloggies. Think any of this remotely matters if they steal the vote? I know, since no one wants to talk about it and the dems won't act, we just won't talk about it.

I think I will take the bus into Stalingrad for some shopping.


Gravatar*tired smile*

pat the bunny!


What about monkeys? Do ya like monkeys?


Gravatarlou dobbs had a weird segment. objected to chicago buying election machinery managed by a company based out of venezuela. their hysterical take was "omg, that dirty commie hugo chavez is running our elections!"

why point to that but not to republican ties to voting machinery firms right here?


oh my god. watertiger, can i borrow your desk?


it reminds me of the foofrah about the State Dept buying Lenovos, because they're made in china, and owned by china. dammit, the machines were made there when they were owned by IBM!! and there are very few components in computers that actually ARE made in the USA. idiots.


GravatarWhich is because of the DLC's fear of losing control of the party.

That asteroid has already struck.

Now comes the time when the pea-brained look around at all the white stuff falling from the sky and wonder why it suddenly got so chilly.


GravatarIt all started with Marbury.

I say we pass a law overturning that one.

Damned liberal courts

didn't Delay threaten to do something like that? and didn't scalia say that he wouldn't even comment on Marbury, because it might come up some day?
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 11:54 am | #


I don't remember that, but I can tell you right now that if Marbury ever is overturned, America no longer has a 3-branched government. I do not believe that that will ever happen now. It might have for a brief period there after 9/11 when Bush had control of the situation.

The GOP really hasn't had control of the situation since they stole the '04 election, IMO.


GravatarI'm not sure that lugging an air conditioner up [redacted] flights of stairs is really all that "inconsequential"...

therein lies the difference between you and I.

I've been lugging shit up those stairs for going on 18 years. It doesn't occur to me to ask for help.


GravatarI have hope: my girls are in the other room singing "This Land Is Your Land," even though I tried to teach them, "This land is my land, this land is my land," and I'm sure they'll learn the shotgun version soon enough.


Gravatarthey made the "big bucks" precisely because it was dangerous. (and $100k is not really all that much, you know?)
PoppieProng, fka Seaxneat, fka


Back in NOLA, my older son had a friend whose dad was driving trucks in Iraq. Poor kid was a nervous wreck. But why had he made the decision to go over there? Because he'd been out of work, they were behind on the bills and facing bankruptcy. The whole situation is fucked up.


GravatarBy showing her a dead rabbit? Don't they have better tests for that nowadays?

Not dead - I think he's just doing his Fred Garvin: Male Prostitute impression ("I call this one 'The Snake'.")


Gravatarres - I heard my kids arguing one day. The older one said "fuck you" and the younger one said "fuck you harder." I blushed.


Gravatarpat the bunny!
watertiger


poke the bunny!


GravatarBut the SCOTUS hasn't really shown us yet what it is all about with the new justices.

And it makes me really nervous.


GravatarIf you're sitting at 30 percent is it sound strategy to have a big 30-percent group hug?
I'm from the Kansas, which is as red as it gets, but it's apparent many have had it with the modern GOP. Just this week, a former Republican state party chairman agreed to run as lieutenant governor with incumbent Democrat Kathleen Sebelius -- this after another Republican switched parties to run against Attorney General Phil Kline. We also have a good shot of ousting the Jim Ryun in the state's 2nd Congressional district.
I know we heard a lot of these kinds of testimonials in 2004, but last week I heard a conservative businessman say he was fed up and registering as a Democrat. He said this to a young professional woman, who made the switch two years earlier -- and whose family is close to the GOP circle from which the new lieutenant general emerged.


Gravatarpoke the bunny!

now that's weird.


GravatarThe "fear", IMHO, comes from the DLC axis in the party that is still deperately trying to court idiots like this.

ah. gotcha. what mowrongs.


GravatarThere is a Catholic style child abuse scandal in the Mormon church just waiting to hit the mainstream press. So far the elders have bought silence, but it will break sometime in the next few years. This isn't the child bride story the press wants to cover, but real child sexual abuse. For reference, my unlikeable step brother is a Mormon bishop in a North Seattle suburb.


GravatarIt's just that personally, I wouldn't mind their practicing polygamy if they weren't abusing young men and women.
Tena


And asking the rest of us to subsidize their large families.


Gravatarpoke the bunny!
JR


You just crashed my browser.


GravatarWhich is because of the DLC's fear of losing control of the party.
watertiger


the hillarcratic party has more in common republicans than they do with us.


Gravatarstencil - I personally feel that what happened in Kansas last week is a really big indicator of just how deep the trouble is for the GOP.

I love that story out of Kansas.

There are only 3 red states left - Wyoming is hanging by 1%, so I'm not counting it.


GravatarBut the SCOTUS hasn't really shown us yet what it is all about with the new justices.

And it makes me really nervous.


they've shown me that they are very pro-employer (no 1st Amend for employees, even govt), and very pro-investigators with the statement (in a 9-0 decision, even) that "the touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is 'reasonableness.'"

i do not like the Roberts Court.


Gravatar"But the SCOTUS hasn't really shown us yet what it is all about with the new justices.

And it makes me really nervous.
Tena |"

Tena, I agree to a point. I think they have shown us all what they are about. They have absolutely no problem with the Patriot Act and disappearing folks that disagree with the war. It's all a throwback to the Ollie North stuff and military powers.


GravatarAnd in a free society, decisions about FUCKING ELECTIONS should be made by the people -- not by the courts.


GravatarWhich is because of the DLC's fear of losing control of the party.
watertiger

the hillarcratic party has more in common republicans than they do with us.
jello


Both of these statements are true, I think. And I think both the GOP and the DLC are scared shitless of the progressives. Us.


Gravatarbut it's strange, because the 9-0 decision i just ref'd seems odd in comparison to the holding where they said that if 1 person does not consent to a search of a house, and 1 person does, then the cops cannot search. it's odd. one would think that it would be "reasonable."


GravatarI think I will take the bus into Stalingrad for some shopping.

Pick up some vodka for me while you are there, TIA.
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GravatarPeasantParty - so far the SCOTUS has been fairly quiet.

It all remains to be seen, really. You cannot really predict what someone with a lifetime appointment is going to do.


GravatarYou just crashed my browser.
Moe Szyslak


it's just Flash, maybe you should clean out the cruft.


GravatarRevise it a bit:

"And in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental social institution as Freedom should be made by the people -- not by the courts."

My mind slipped that into place when I read the line. Not quite sure what to make of it. But I am pretty sure this administration would pay it lip service and then work like hell to deny the people the right to address it head on.


GravatarThere are only 3 red states left - Wyoming is hanging by 1%, so I'm not counting it.

Yes, even Utah has slipped rather dramatically.


GravatarUNE Unlettered Pollyanalyst™

Are you upset with me?

You haven't talked to me for days. I hope I haven't done anything to make you mad.


I didn't mean to if I did.



Gravatarpoke the bunny!

someone actually spend time working on that. how odd.


GravatarJourney to the heart of Bushlandia

The wide open spaces of Idaho have little room for anti-war sentiment

Oliver Burkemann in Boise, Idaho


GravatarWeeds are asking for a whacking, the horses are stamping their hooves, the collies are throwing frisbees and tennis balls at my feet, and the sun just came out. Seize the day you stoopid fish. Ciao.


GravatarCiao, troutski - enjoy your day.


GravatarAnd in a free society, decisions about FUCKING ELECTIONS should be made by the people -- not by the courts.

well, there's that.


Gravatar19 people were arrested in the Toronto area this morning, on suspicion of organizing a terrorist attack on the subway system, the CN Tower, and CSIS headquarters. Police say they were trying to obtain three tons of the same fertilizer used to blow up the Oklahoma City federal building.

Note that they won't be sent to Gitmo, and they won't be tortured.

They were arrested. Not s


Gravatarpoke the bunny!

The. Fucking. Thing. Will. Not. Die!


GravatarThere are only 3 red states left - Wyoming is hanging by 1%, so I'm not counting it.

Yes, even Utah has slipped rather dramatically


but is it because people thing Bush has gone too far, or that Bush lost his way and wasn't the uberfascist they all hoped for? because if it is the latter, this amendment thing won't just appeal to his 30% current support, but to the 20% who walked away, as well.


GravatarDon't you think the girl's MySpace writings might have been a reaction to the strict "moral" restrictions placed on Mormons? Or in another way of looking at it, why aren't those two Mormon girls married already? Then they could be having sex with 5 other young girls and some lucky 50 year old guy with a ZZTopp beard likle they're supposed to.


Gravatarnow that's weird.
watertiger


No, THIS is weird.


GravatarFux news -- the police raid in Toronto took place in a "residential-looking area".


Gravatar19 people were arrested in the Toronto area this morning, on suspicion of organizing a terrorist attack on the subway system, the CN Tower, and CSIS headquarters. Police say they were trying to obtain three tons of the same fertilizer used to blow up the Oklahoma City federal building.

Note that they won't be sent to Gitmo, and they won't be tortured.


those crazy canadians. i can almost guaran-fucking-tee that at least one of them will be the subject of an extradition request to the US.


Gravatar"It all remains to be seen, really. You cannot really predict what someone with a lifetime appointment is going to do.
Tena | Homepage"

True. Yeah, you are right about for now. It's just that the now looks too much like George and Dick's view of the Constitution being just a damn piece of paper. :-(


GravatarSpeaking of loving, the wingers are STILL showing some to Thers and NYMary at my place. They are now fixated on Thers being the one who made the lewd comment about his toddler.


GravatarI don't remember that, but I can tell you right now that if Marbury ever is overturned, America no longer has a 3-branched government. I do not believe that that will ever happen now. It might have for a brief period there after 9/11 when Bush had control of the situation.

The GOP really hasn't had control of the situation since they stole the '04 election, IMO.
Tena


Well, according to the NYT, even conservatives are calling the gay marriage ban "pandering."

It's a real Hail Mary, which tells you how bad off Karl's party is.


Gravatarciao moonbats

gotta get some dinner.


GravatarPoppieProng - but is it because people thing Bush has gone too far, or that Bush lost his way and wasn't the uberfascist they all hoped for?

You know, it's impossible to know without polls directed at that question. Maybe some jumped ship because they are disappointed that he hasn't gone far enough, but his numbers were falling dramatically before the right got quite so disillusioned. I just don't think there are enough of them - but hell, how would I know? We've had two fucked up presidential elections and at least 2 fucked up mid-terms. It's hard to get one's bearings.


GravatarAnd in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental social institution as marriage should be made by the people -- not by the courts.

Let the people go ahead and try to amend the U.S. Constitution to say "Gay families aren't entitled to the same rights as heterosexuals."

That's the issue, George, you fucking twit.

Good luck.


GravatarSpeaking of loving, the wingers are STILL showing some to Thers and NYMary at my place. They are now fixated on Thers being the one who made the lewd comment about his toddler.
NTodd, Worse Than Hitler


I am now officially speechless.

And refuse to speak, lest I betray my ordination vows.


GravatarIt's weird how the UK & Canada still use that pesky "law enforcement" approach to terrorism.


GravatarWell, according to the NYT, even conservatives are calling the gay marriage ban "pandering."

It's a real Hail Mary, which tells you how bad off Karl's party is.


so who's a speedy cornerback around here?


Gravatardennis hastert and his enormous he-boobies will come out swinging against gay marriage. if gay marriage is ever allowed, dennis hastert will have to submit to anal sex with a man, preferably a guy without enormous he-boobies.


Gravatarbut is it because people thing Bush has gone too far, or that Bush lost his way and wasn't the uberfascist they all hoped for? because if it is the latter, this amendment thing won't just appeal to his 30% current support, but to the 20% who walked away, as well.

I don't think the 20% are going to be swayed by the FAG (Fuck All Gays) amendment. Might've worked in 2004, but that's a long time ago and people are dealing with more important shit now (and are now aware of the more important shit).


Gravatar
Are you upset with me?

You haven't talked to me for days.


Lord no!

I just have'nt been real chatty lately, but have been lurking quite a bit!

plus this place has been moving really fast lately, hard to comment and keep up!

.


Gravatarbut is it because people thing Bush has gone too far, or that Bush lost his way and wasn't the uberfascist they all hoped for? because if it is the latter, this amendment thing won't just appeal to his 30% current support, but to the 20% who walked away, as well.

What I have observed in polls that have done party affiliation breakdowns, is that Independents are polling a helluva lot like Democrats right now, which I think is a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, they're agreeing with *us* now. On the other hand, the Democrats in Congress *aren't*, because they think the 30% are the ones they should be courting.

This is why I think November will be disappointing. A lot of the people responding to polls, saying they think Bush & the Republicans suck and getting us all excited, won't bother to vote in November because they see the Democrats rolling over time & time again.


GravatarAnd refuse to speak, lest I betray my ordination vows.

It might feel good.

Maybe just say POOP like I did.


GravatarLocal turtle makes big splash.


GravatarWell, according to the NYT, even conservatives are calling the gay marriage ban "pandering."

It's a real Hail Mary, which tells you how bad off Karl's party is.
Rmj


Well Robert there is no way that there is going to be a constitutional amendment. There isn't time for him to get one passed in all 50 states and there aren't enough votes for it, either. They know that - this is an attempt to throw red meat to the Pat Robertson crowd and I rather like the fact that they can see it isn't anything other than that.


Gravatarstencil,

I'm still looking for polling on the Kansas 2nd with the Boyda - Ryun rematch. Boyda only lost by a slim margin 2 years ago and now Ryun's got the underprice house purchase from the Bushvik "K"ickback Street Project.


GravatarI don't think the 20% are going to be swayed by the FAG (Fuck All Gays) amendment.

Upping the ante with a little flag burning ammendment will help.
By the way I think my ursprache is inflammed.
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GravatarSpeaking of loving, the wingers are STILL showing some to Thers and NYMary at my place. They are now fixated on Thers being the one who made the lewd comment about his toddler.

I figured they would also claim that it was really Thers or NYMary or one of us who outed their personal information, because who else would know it???


GravatarUNE - whew.

I get abrasive and I don't know sometimes who I've offended.

I'm sure glad.

It has moved fast - I've had a hell of time keeping up because I have a lot going on too.



GravatarSpeaking of loving, the wingers are STILL showing some to Thers and NYMary at my place. They are now fixated on Thers being the one who made the lewd comment about his toddler.

Oh for the love of god - what is the matter with them?

Jesus god - fucking wackos.


Gravatar19 people were arrested in the Toronto area this morning, on suspicion of organizing a terrorist attack on the subway system, the CN Tower, and CSIS headquarters. Police say they were trying to obtain three tons of the same fertilizer used to blow up the Oklahoma City federal building.

Note that they won't be sent to Gitmo, and they won't be tortured.



holy smokes. not that i doubt we're a target now especially.


GravatarUpping the ante with a little flag burning ammendment will help.
By the way I think my ursprache is inflammed.


Flag burning BAD.
Fag burning GOOD.


GravatarMaybe just say POOP like I did.
NTodd, Worse Than Hitler | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 12:14 pm | #


Well, I was gonna say POOP, but I just heard, "I need a wipe," from the other room. NTodd, you, Mary, and Thers are braver than me. I couldn't take all that shit on my lawn.


GravatarMight've worked in 2004, but that's a long time ago and people are dealing with more important shit now (and are now aware of the more important shit).

Actually I think part of the problem is that 2004 is so recent that the blatant pandering we hear today is that much more apparent.

If it happened 6 years ago, it would be easier to convince the rubes that this was a "new" crisis that demands their immediate attention.


Gravatar"I figured they would also claim that it was really Thers or NYMary or one of us who outed their personal information, because who else would know it???
Eli "

So what the heck do we need an NSA or CIA for?


Gravatarthe CN Tower

Which only proves their incompetence.

You ain't touching that fucking with a truck or three of home-made.


GravatarRichard Adams "Traveler" was one of the best young adult books I ever read. It tells the Civil War story from the horse's point of view. If forces kids to change their ingrained perspectives about the civil war.

Most adults don't get the book and harshly judge the book for the lack of philosophical judgment, but kids get it.
Troutski



this sounds interesting


GravatarYes Clarecnce Thomas will no doubt find that his marriage is an invidious encroachment on the Almighty's natural law, plain as day , that the races ought to remain separate.
I mean, you know, if he gets into a fight with his wife that morning.


GravatarEli - here's where there is hope. The anti-Bush crowd are still fired up and likely to come out in droves in November. The righties are pretty discouraged and more likely to sit it out. At least that's my hope.


Gravatar19 people were arrested in the Toronto area this morning, on suspicion of organizing a terrorist attack on the subway system,



true subway story:
I get on. Set a lunchbag-backpack thing on a seat. Ask the guy if it's his. no he says. I pick it up and put it on the floor. And then everyone, including me, in the proximity has the same thought.

two ladies looking and pointing get off at the next stop. we go through the main intersection and I say to the guy next to me: 'we made it through yonge and bloor. guess we're okay.'
he says, 'not unless they timed it to go off over the bridge.'

oh jesus.
just some kid forgot his lunchbag


GravatarNo. Actually, the REAL question to ask is whether the President thinks Griswold v. Connecticut ought to be overturned. You know, the one that said that oulawing birth control was illegal, based on the right to "marital privacy".

Want to bet on the answer to THAT question?

Our domestic Taliban are clearly opposed to ANY right of privacy at all. And very clearly Bush agrees.


GravatarIt's weird how the UK & Canada still use that pesky "law enforcement" approach to terrorism.

it's not for lack of effort on the part of the UK. The Terrorism Act of 2005 was pretty US-ish, but at least the UK has justices who are willing to call such practices "an affront to liberty" or "justice."


GravatarAnd in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental social institution as marriage should be made by the people -- not by the courts.

Well of course this begs the question why not let the people getting married make the decision then?


GravatarThe TTC was not a target, the RCMP says.


from the toronto star website
(toronto transit union i.e. subways etc)


GravatarThe TTC was not a target, the RCMP says

Too bad, the squeal at Union gives me migraines, it could use some rennovations.


GravatarDuring this travling week I had a long verbal punch-up at a bar with an apostate "Kennedy Democrat" who is now a Bush voter and proud of it.

You met Tweety? Or was it Joe Klein?


GravatarWhat is Loving vs. Virginia?

The court case that allowed Clarence Thomas and his wife to get married.


GravatarHa! I thought Virginia was for lovers. Seems that's only true if you're the same color... They should add that to all the t-shirts and licence plates. "Virginia is for lovers... if you're both white... and you're not gay... and you shop at Walmart... and you love NASCAR... and you think a refrigerator could be lawn furniture... and you have a fondness for the Confederate battle flag... and you drink heavy... and last but not least, DRUM ROLL PLEASE... Virginia is for lovers, especially if you're marrying your cousin.

But look, the south isn't all THAT bad. In fact, if were not for the south we wouldn't have the tooth brush. And we can definintively say this because had it been invented anywhere else, it would have been called the TEETH BRUSH.


GravatarUh oh, Clarence Thomas' marriage in Virginia to his wife Virginia could be in trouble. I'm sure Thomas is just as appalled by this G-D Warren Court liberal activist decision as Dubya evidently is.


Gravatar"so why is he pushing for a constitutional amendment that will undoubtedly be challenged in the courts?
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To keep in the news with something that at least 7% of his dumbass followers can identify with. What else can he possibly promote that will endear his followers?


GravatarThe people already did decide, in a document called the Constitution, wherein it states that people shall have equality before the law.


GravatarIs he going to say that Bush v Gore should be overturned as well. Damn meddling courts.


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