I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Fuck Bush


Crossing first base. . .


Third verse same as the first?


Rounding second (panting and sweating profusely)


GravatarBubba!


GravatarAfternoon, rational people.


GravatarThrown out at third: Quilt Lady is GOOD.


Gravatardemocrats will only win by being democrats. period.

john edwards got huge cheers for speaking the truth about how this country will not be worth living in until work is valued and paid for with a living wage

more of that, please -- a lot more


GravatarThe Woman Channel has the 2005 Miss America competition.


GravatarHaloscan is eating my comments.

How about you guys?


Gravatarand another thing --

if you believe the rfk jr story on the cover of the new rolling stone magazine, bush undoubtedly stole ohio; yep; kerry won ... massachussetts lineage and all


GravatarThe Woman Channel has the 2005 Miss America competition.
jack | 06.03.06 - 6:11 pm | #


The Hermaphrodite Channel has the 2006 Miss My Balls competition.
Much better.


GravatarAnd ignoring the fact that it is only Democrats who have nominated and supported real Southerners for the Presidency. Northerners have supported those better that Southerners have.

It's telling too, how the anti-PC crowd gets upset at anything they can turn into Southern bashing. Why should Southerners be exempt if no one else is?


GravatarOk, let's try this again.

The Grateful Dead keyboard player curse
has struck again. If I was Bruce Hornsby,
I'd be very, very nervous.


Gravatar democrats will only win by being democrats. period.

i'm just saying


Ayup. Being Republican Light is not going to work.


GravatarRFK jr. was recently arrested for drunk driving.


GravatarDemocrats can't win without the South.


GravatarRFK jr. was recently arrested for drunk driving.
jack

Oh. Acting like a Bush is he.


GravatarRFK jr. was recently arrested for drunk driving.
jack | 06.03.06 - 6:14 pm | #


My balls were recently arrested for assault and battery.
I can't control them.


GravatarRepublicans can't win, they steal.


GravatarDemocrats can't win without the South.
jack | 06.03.06 - 6:15 pm | #


Democrats should nominate my balls because they
are always hanging South.


GravatarDemocrats should nominate my balls because they
are always hanging South.
jack

Too young.


Gravatari'm so lonely i could cry.


GravatarI see the Non Sequitur King is in the
house.


GravatarMarshall's emailer says that the Democrats have been fools for not "accomodating the mood of the country." I say that's bullshit. The "mood of the country" is an extremely complex, ephemeral thing with many permutations, not all of them political. But if the the elite press and its GOP string pullers have decided that the political mood is conservative, the last thing I want to do is accomodate it. I want to change it.

Nice job, digby.


Gravatar The Grateful Dead keyboard player curse
has struck again.


Who died? Tom Constanten? Vince Welnick?


Gravataroh, now 3x the jack.


GravatarThe Kenosha Kid:

Vince Welnick, 55. Apparently a
suicide.


Gravatarin case you missed it - Special Saturday Hedgehog Blogging


GravatarOuch. How did TC avoid the curse?


GravatarUrban Hedgehogs. Still cute.


GravatarThe hedgehog is cute. Except for the whole busting open the garbage bag thing.


GravatarThe Kenosha Kid yeah now you have seen the ugly side of a British home.

apparenltly the Hedgehog is still attacking the rubbish bags at this very moment so my mum says.


Gravatarok catch you all laters.

gonna watch Wilde on BBC Two


GravatarHaloscan is eating my comments.

How about you guys?


I haven't touched your comments.

*furtively wipes mouth when no-one is looking*


GravatarWelnick died. (But so did Jerry Garcia, so maybe soon they'll all be The Dead and not just keyboarders.)


GravatarDims cant win by being dims, only by cloakin' themselves in darkness.


GravatarAnd does so, seemingly, without so much as blinking a collective eyelash. They're already trying it -again- with Gore, for Christ's sake - little digs about how he's 'this' or 'that' or presumably 'not something else' - all against a paradigm that does not exist except in the pundit's navel. I no more believe in the 'mood of the country' as funnelled thru John Tierney or David Brooks or some other similarly hobbled sob than I believe that Shrub ever stopped drinking...


GravatarIs a hedge hog a bit rat, or does it just look like one?


GravatarYikes. dith has uncovered my coven of blue vampires.


Gravatar the Hedgehog is still attacking the rubbish bags at this very moment so my mum says.

Haloscan is a hedgehog!


GravatarIf I was Bruce Hornsby,
I'd be very, very nervous.


I had the same thought when I heard the news.


GravatarI have a certain affection for the critters that live alongside us. Even the fruit rats that tear into the tangerines that drop to the ground before I get around to picking have a certain charm.

The best, however, are the urban possums.


GravatarMessage to all fundies and wingnuts who may be reading these words at this particular moment in time:

Libruls are tired of taking your shit. It is you who must change or suffer the consequences. When the libuls take over, you must kneel to librul values (the TRUE values of America).

If you choose to remain standing, you will be cut down like the filthy fascists you are.

It's up to you: CAST ASIDE YOUR EVIL WAYS OR HANG UPSIDE DOWN BY THE HEELS OR SOME OTHER SOFTER PART OF YOUR BODY!


GravatarYou guys done up an' left me, again! Hrmph!
.


GravatarHaloscan is eating my comments.

How about you guys?
steve simels


Haloscan is eating me.


GravatarIf you choose to remain standing, you will be cut down like the filthy fascists you are.

"cut em if they stand still, shoot em if they run,".


GravatarIf you choose to remain standing, you will be cut down like the filthy fascists you
are.

It's up to you: CAST ASIDE YOUR EVIL WAYS OR HANG UPSIDE DOWN BY THE
HEELS OR SOME OTHER SOFTER PART OF YOUR BODY!
Lime Rickey | 06.03.06 - 6:28 pm | #


Needed to be said.

Good for you, Rickey.


Gravatar Is a hedge hog a bit rat, or does it just look like one?

They are related to moles and shrews according to Wikipedia.


GravatarDemocrats should nominate my balls because they
are always hanging South.
jack


Grow some first.


GravatarGet ready to marry gay poodles and have lots of abortions, Conservatives!


Gravataryou must kneel to librul values (the TRUE values of America)


KNEEL BEFORE LIBERAL ZOD!


GravatarGet ready to marry gay poodles and have lots of abortions, Conservatives!
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 6:31 pm | #


And when that happens, I'll laff my
ass off.

Can't wait.


Gravatarif you believe the rfk jr story on the cover of the new rolling stone magazine, bush undoubtedly stole ohio; yep; kerry won ... massachussetts lineage and all
i'm just saying | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 6:12 pm | #

Watch out- just saying- that's "not proven" and it wouldn't be "prudent" to be "hysterical" or link to my diary from 2004:
If You Can Read This Diary, You Can Hack Diebold


GravatarThe Old Man From Scene 24, if the gay poodle is Randal Terry, all right. But I don't want the animal rights people upset with me.


GravatarIf you can't power it by burning bibles and flags you can't have it.


GravatarGet ready to marry gay poodles and have lots of abortions, Conservatives!

You're gonna love forced racial integration, revolutionary rightists -- and learning to speak Spanish as your first language will be easy once we install the chips.


GravatarIf you read the thread over at digby's Charles of Mercury Rising makes the sensible point that RFK jr. was presenting the case for an investegation. And that's what the Republicans don't want. They would have presented exculpatory evidence already if it existed. They haven't so it doesn't exist.


GravatarBTW, it was PATRICK Kennedy who crashed into a traffic barrier...


GravatarBTW, it was PATRICK Kennedy who crashed into a traffic barrier...

Does it matter which of the Kennedys is drunk or drugged and at the wheel?


GravatarAll of the Dead's deceased members got that way due to lifestyle choices, I think Hornsby's in a much better position in that regard.


Gravatarand learning to speak Spanish as your first language will be easy once we install the chips.
masculine_monica_nyc

Look on the bright side of that, Spanish is a cinch to spell.


Gravatardoug r: BTW, it was PATRICK Kennedy who crashed into a traffic barrier...

But why should jack be any different from the rest of the party's lying, factless shitbuckets?
.


GravatarThere is no legal mechanism to reverse a fraudulent election. It's relegated to the "we don't talk about it" bin, like incest used to be, and still is in jack's family.


GravatarAll of the Dead's deceased members got that way due to lifestyle choices, I think Hornsby's in a much better position in that regard.

Getting in a car wreck is a "lifestyle choice" ?


GravatarOh shit, CBS is doing the 3x bomb crap too.


GravatarThere is no legal mechanism to reverse a fraudulent election. It's relegated to the "we don't talk about it" bin, like incest used to be, and still is in jack's family.
Alpo Male

The Republicans have had their lawyers and legal scholars pouring over the constitution and the law books finding every weakness they can use to destroy democracy. Alito and Fried were two of the formost of those traitors.


GravatarEuronews.net, France
The Iraqi government has rejected the findings of a US investigation into the deaths of civilians in March in the town of Ishaqi, branding the probe unfair.

Imagine.


GravatarOh shit, CBS is doing the 3x bomb crap too.
Snow | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 6:38 pm | #


Huh?


GravatarHey, Poodles are okay. Kind of nice actually.

Nikki AKA Scandalous Nicole
http://img.photobucket.com/album...0001/ nikkii.jpg


GravatarAll of the Dead's deceased members got that way due to lifestyle choices, I think Hornsby's in a much better position in that regard.
Ghost of Pigpen


Lot's of people have played keys for the dead and survived. This is like those lists of people close to the Clinton's or the JFK assassination who turned up dead. everyone you or I know will turn up dead someday.


GravatarGetting in a car wreck is a "lifestyle choice" ?

Could be.


GravatarHuh?

They aressted a bunch of people in Toronto who were allegedly trying to get their hands on 3x times the amount of ammonium nitrate that Tim McVeigh used in OKC for use in a bomb.


GravatarGays, flag-burning and indecency!
Houston Chronicle - 5 hours ago
Did that get your attention? Congress is hoping it will. Next week the House begins debate on a plan to increase the penalties for indecency on television. ...

Could they please pander more abjectly?


GravatarGetting in a car wreck is a "lifestyle choice" ?

Could be.
Ghost of Pigpen

Taffy in "Female Trouble".


GravatarBomb crap? You mean crap bomb, don't you?


GravatarCould they please pander more abjectly?

As Bush and the Republican Congresses approvals continue to crash over the summer they'll get much more abject.


Gravatarevnin',
what is the outrage de jour?


GravatarLot's of people have played keys for the dead and survived. This is like those
lists of people close to the Clinton's or the JFK assassination who turned up
dead. everyone you or I know will turn up dead someday.
Alpo Male | 06.03.06 - 6:40 pm | #


I was kidding about the Grateful
Dead Keyboard curse.

I'm reminded of what Mick Taylor
said: "I'm the only man to have quit the
Rolling Stones and lived."


GravatarIn the US Domesticated media, the consuming audience being played to, is not the viewer, it is the sponsor-

The audience is any given corporate sponsor, intent on never losing their grip on the fourth estate to any populist politician, for to do so, is to skull and bones oneself-

Dean was widely praised in the media until the fateful "breakup big media" question posed by Chris Matthews on his "College Tour"

The Real Consumer is deadly afraid their end is near, so fearful their fright, we are treated to a parallel world view NTSC universe. Your neighbors and mine; fine upstanding folks, refuse to witness the infinite atrocity, and so hence US domesticated media's daily ratings yield lower than blogs like Atrios and Daily Kos, but their sponsors wither not-

The Real Consumer; the "Kerr-Mcgee's" advertise pictures of oil rigs as pristine patriotic landmarks, seen in their eyes, on THEIR one-way screens, a Statue of Liberty and entitlement-

Greedy treason enabling folks, these real consumers, and soon, very soon, these real consumers will shut down the very vehicle that exposes them daily, thru the expulsion of the Internet, and the birth of a ControlNet; a US domesticated Internet that WILL BE trained to know where, and where not, to defecate-

It is evolution, baby-
http://tinyurl.com/j5mck


GravatarWhy was the contempt finding against Jeff Gerth in the Wen Ho Lee case overturned?


GravatarDoes Tom Constantin qualify as "lots of people"?


Gravatar"BTW, it was PATRICK Kennedy who crashed into a traffic barrier..."

It happens in all the best of families. I am so glad Little Patrick is okay.


GravatarTom Constanten

Still alive!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom.../ Tom_Constanten


GravatarYeah, well, all the understanding in the world won't win you elections if your vote gets "spoiled" or miscounted or discounted or changed or dissallowed.


GravatarHornsby was never really a member of the band anyway, just a valued guest.


GravatarHuh?

steve,

Some Canadians were trying to get fertilizer to build bombs. They ordered 3 tons of fertilizer which is three times the amount McVeigh used. BOO! Then you find out it has nothing to do with the USA.


Gravatarfertilizer
Weeds are the best fertilizer.


GravatarOkey-dokey, folkies -- gotta run to make my $4/hr. tonight. If anyone's still awake at 1:30 a.m. CDT, I'll prob'ly see y'all then. Leave the trolls alone, if you can.


GravatarAlright, kids, gotta go and quaff
elitist chardonnay yada yada yada.
You know the drill.

Talk to you guys later, and ignore
jack unless he talks about his balls.


GravatarNikki AKA Scandalous Nicole
http://img.photobucket.com/album...0001/ nikkii.jpg


Ma chere!


.


GravatarThen you find out it has nothing to do with the USA.

Which is not much comfort to those living in Toronto. But presumably the Canuks are treating this as a crime and not an opportunity to scare the bejeebus out of people and convince them to lower rich people's taxes.

Fuck. Off. Halo. Scan.


GravatarStar Wars Episode 3 is premiering on HBO tonite.


Gravatar There is no legal mechanism to reverse a fraudulent election.

Our Al: "And, you know, it was a difficult experience, but not so much for me as it was for the millions of people who were negatively affected by the policies that have been put in place because of that election. But I made a choice to uphold the rule of law. After the Supreme Court decision, in our system there's no intermediate step between the final Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."


Gravatar"Mischt" (Swiss cow shit)(not sure of spelling) makes the best fertilizer. Each farmer has his own shit mixing machine that mixes, and throws on the fields. It doesn't get in the waterways or kill the fish or anything. Very clever, the Swiss.


GravatarFor god's sake, let the Red States suceede. They have made the rest of us miserable for long enough. The North is now officially sorry they won the War Between the States. Blues states can make a very nice country... maybe joined up with Canada for a nation from sea to shining sea, one that doesnt make the world an ugly place.

The Christian Taliban can rule in the Red States until the crack of doom for all I care, if that is what they want.


GravatarIt's time for a diebold Boston tea party.


GravatarThere is no legal mechanism to reverse a fraudulent election.

Our Al: "And, you know, it was a difficult experience, but not so much for me as it was for the millions of people who were negatively affected by the policies that have been put in place because of that election. But I made a choice to uphold the rule of law. After the Supreme Court decision, in our system there's no intermediate step between the final Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."
GWPDA, BA, CPhil, PhD


I wuz right?


Gravatar"in our system there's no intermediate step between the final Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."
GWPDA,"

Ever since i have read that line, it keeps bobbing back up in the back of my head. A case of "Is he telling us something we really do not want know?"


GravatarThe Christian Taliban can rule in the Red States until the crack of doom for all I care, if that is what they want.

Only Wyoming, Utah, and Idaho have a majority of support for bush.


GravatarThe United States has never had a fraudulent Presidential election.


Gravatar"The United States has never had a fraudulent Presidential election.
jack "

Maybe.


But I am all sure can agree on the fact we now have exprienced a fraudulent President.


GravatarIt's time for a diebold Boston tea party. Doug, | 06.03.06 - 6:53 pm |

It's been time for that for ten years. People should fucking destroy those things.


GravatarRight I think does make might but we have to communicate the problem which we don't do very well. The problem now is that the people running this country are just flat out monsters and we need to spell out what they are doing to us.


GravatarEver since i have read that line, it keeps bobbing back up in the back of my head. A case of "Is he telling us something we really do not want know?"

Consider it a warning shot over the bow of the country. For those in government that they are standing on the edge of a hangman's noose, and for the rest of us to get our affairs in order, and our minds bodies in shape.


Gravatar"Which is not much comfort to those living in Toronto."

The folks in Toronto can sleep well knowing the bad boys got stopped. Why is the US media using it to scare the bejeebus about everyone? Do we need more tax cuts for the rich? Oh, right. Apparently we do.


GravatarThe United States has never had a fraudulent Presidential election.
jack

jack, you're probably too young and stupid to know this but unless you declare that the 1960 race was stolen by the Kennedy clan your owner will give your shock collar a jolt.


GravatarNikki AKA Scandalous Nicole
http://img.photobucket.com/album...0001/ nikkii.jpg
DWD


Bitch.





Gravatar"It's time for a diebold Boston tea party."

That is a wonderful idea. I wonder if there is a way to do it symbolically in all of the states that would make any effect.


GravatarMa chere!


.
Arthur J. GWPDA,

For you: Hope that big dork gets it right.

Nikki X
http://img.photobucket.com/album...0001/ arthur.jpg


GravatarIt's been time for that for ten years. People should fucking destroy those things.
kei & yuri

Leftists should sabotage them in majority Republican districts.


GravatarIs there any American presidential election historians (not of the McCollough Happy Smiley Face school) are absolutely certain was totally honest?


GravatarArthur J. GWPDA,

For you: Hope that big dork gets it right.

Nikki X
http://img.photobucket.com/album...0001/ arthur.jpg


NO FLIRTING.


GravatarNot one fraudulent Presidential election before 1960.


GravatarThat is a wonderful idea. I wonder if there is a way to do it symbolically in all of the states that would make any effect.

If you want symbolic, build a cardboard model of one of the machines and toss that in the river. Call the press.


GravatarOnly Wyoming, Utah, and Idaho have a majority of support for bush.
Doug,


It's time for North America to secede from Wyoming, Utah, Idaho and the current U.S. Monarchy.


GravatarOnly Wyoming, Utah, and Idaho have a majority of support for bush.
Doug, | 06.03.06 - 6:54 pm | #

Those outlyers havent got the word yet. The other red states think he's not "Red" enough anymore.


Gravatar"Consider it a warning shot over the bow of the country. For those in government that they are standing on the edge of a hangman's noose, and for the rest of us to get our affairs in order, and our minds bodies in shape.
Doug"

Exactly what I meant, I really do not want to acknowlege that possibility. If we cannot resolve the problems we face including this damn administration in a civil way, there are few recourses. And the moment that match is lit, no matter who wins the debate, we will never be the same again and the road taken will not be one of our choosing.


GravatarNot one fraudulent Presidential election before 1960.
jack

Hey, jacko got a jolt.


GravatarOnly Wyoming, Utah, and Idaho have a majority of support for bush.
Doug,

It's time for North America to secede from Wyoming, Utah, Idaho and the current U.S. Monarchy.
Alpalpa Male


Even better, let's just have the City of Los Angeles annex all three. The City would still be majority Blue, problem solved.

(And since everyone in the West complains about Californication anyway, why not solve that problem too?)


GravatarEven better, let's just have the City of Los Angeles annex all three. The City would still be majority Blue, problem solved.

Cool, LA would have another place to pump water from.


GravatarThey aressted a bunch of people in Toronto who were allegedly trying to get their hands on 3x times the amount of ammonium nitrate that Tim McVeigh used in OKC for use in a bomb.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 6:40 pm | #

That's fertilizer, right? Maybe some Torontoians needed it to grow some killer weed-they do live in Toronto, after all.


GravatarFor god's sake, let the Red States suceede. They have made the rest of us miserable for long enough.

Big Daddy


THANK you! Remember that Abe Lincoln was born a Southerner. Maybe winning the Civil War for the Union was a nefarious plot by that Son of the South to punish the North in perpetuity.


GravatarWhat do you suppose, Jack has a book of one sentence barbs? Sort of like the GOP Talking Points Reader with Pictures?


Gravatarwhat was it RFK jr said in the article? something like 13K different voting systems in the country? & it's probably more standardized than ever... so yeah, there is no way *any* election was totally honest.


GravatarWill American audiences realize that the nefarious and scientific-sounding "ammonium nitrate" is poop?


GravatarBack to work for me. I've still got too many things to do and it's daylight outside.

Bye for now.


Gravatarwhat we need is another president who will play guitar, and suck country dick while a major american city drowns.

whoo hooo!

Morans


Gravatar"
(And since everyone in the West complains about Californication anyway, why not solve that problem too?)
jac"

Well I think that will solve the space problem with the 11 million illegals here. Consider it homesteading.


GravatarWhy was the contempt finding against Jeff Gerth in the Wen Ho Lee case overturned?
masculine_monica_nyc


Here. (PDF)


Gravatar"Will American audiences realize that the nefarious and scientific-sounding "ammonium nitrate" is poop"

I never saw any gemischt blow up a building.


GravatarI mean mischt.


GravatarLIST OF PROVEN CONSPIRACIES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lis...en_conspiracies


Gravatar... the 2006 Miss My Balls competition.

I'll bet you do.

You'll win, palms down.


GravatarIt's the backlash issue I'm in accord with. Dobson represents the blush on the cheek of a dying age; the resurgence of "evangelicals" the same. A fading power that is already receding as Bush tries to pander to it one more time, and even the conservatives (per the NYT, hardly a "liberal" paper) see it for what it is: too little and too late.

All a response to the changes of the '60's, which were not effected without cost or without feedback. But tell me African Americans still ride the back of the bus, or face the racism they once did (they face some, yeah, but I didn't go to school with blacks until the 10th grade. My daughter can't imagine that world, and has black friends now. She'll be in the 9th grade in the fall.)

The push back is more and more going to trying to hold back the tides. And that push back has crested itself. Even regional differences are beginning to disappear; or would, if we could show we actually gave more than a wet snap for the Gulf Coast, for New Orleans and Mississippi and Beaumont.

I'll retire to Bedlam....


Gravatar "Will American audiences realize that the nefarious and scientific-sounding "ammonium nitrate" is poop"

I never saw any gemischt blow up a building.

I mean mischt.


Why isn't anyone investigating the Republicans? They must have a veritable mischty mountain.


Gravatar"ammonium nitrate"

Nasty stuff. And if I remember correctly, Diesel makes it a big bang and very unstable.


GravatarThat's fertilizer, right? Maybe some Torontoians needed it to grow some killer weed-they do live in Toronto, after all.

Yup fertilizer. A lot of explosives factories were turned into fertilizer plants after WWII...

Hey if there was more BC Bud down here, maybe people would be less wound up over what other people are doing (or who they're marrying).


Gravatar"Rmj, Hippie Wannabe"

I have a spare pair of too big Berkies you can have.


Gravatar"in our system there's no intermediate step between the final Supreme Court decision and violent revolution."
GWPDA,"

Ever since i have read that line, it keeps bobbing back up in the back of my head. A case of "Is he telling us something we really do not want know?"

EkCenTriK

al gore is an extremist.

yeah, me too.


GravatarNot one fraudulent Presidential election before 1960.

someone obviously is unaware of US history. no surprise there, as jack seems unaware of many many things.


Gravatarsomeone obviously is unaware of US history. no surprise there, as jack seems unaware of many many things.

Why does American history hate America?


GravatarMmm... BC nugs...[/drool]


GravatarThat list of proven conspiracies is extremely small: it appears to ignore foreign governments after a certain point and it says nothing about proven nongovernmental conspiracies like the infamous finding of the Ford Motor Company that it would be more cost-effective to let people die and offer settlements than to recall cars.


Gravatar"Why isn't anyone investigating the Republicans? They must have a veritable mischty mountain."

Yeah! We ought to forget about this money laundering, child slavery, murder squads, outing of our spies, tax free foundation cheating and check into their cesspools.


Gravatarno surprise there, as jack seems unaware of many many things.

thats because its a random bullshit generator.


GravatarReally, it's a list of conspiracies that were not only proven but made famous in movies.


Gravatarand check into their cesspools.

We're soaking in it.


Gravatarthats because its a random bullshit generator.
The Old Man From Scene 24


So, if I put my laptop in my flower bed, will Jack fertilize my roses?


GravatarIt's the media's fault Eli. American history was duped by the media.


Gravatarfinding of the Ford Motor Company that it would be more cost-effective to let people die and offer settlements than to recall cars.
Anyone that works for corporate america is a loser.


Gravatar"We're soaking in it."

Finally the truth comes out!


GravatarIsn't the legal definition of a conspiracy just two or more people planning to commit a crime?


GravatarSo, if I put my laptop in my flower bed, will Jack fertilize my roses?

Not... exactly.


GravatarI still can't understand how fundamentalists could vote for a person "you'd like to have a beer with."


GravatarSo, if I put my laptop in my flower bed, will Jack fertilize my roses?

try it and see. If it doesn't work, or your laptop is damaged, jack will buy a new top-of-the-line laptop.


GravatarThere are a lot of angry people out there. I think if they screw around with the elections again it could get ugly.


GravatarIt's the media's fault Eli. American history was duped by the media.

The media *is* American history. Ask the average American about any event that happened more than two days ago, and they'll only be able to tell you what the TV told them.


GravatarReally, it's a list of conspiracies that were not only proven but made famous in movies.

Yeah, not one mention of Bob or the Cult Of The Yellow Sign, what's up with that?


GravatarThanks for the link, Elmer, PHD.


GravatarThe Toronto Star reported that the intelligence agency began monitoring Internet exchanges, some of which were encrypted, during 2004. According to the newspaper, the training camps took place north of Toronto. Members of the group, according to that account, often visited a popular Canadian chain of doughnut shops to wash up following their training sessions.

The Tim Horton Terrorists!


Gravatar"I still can't understand how fundamentalists could vote for a person "you'd like to have a beer with."

Sediment seems to find its place on the bottom.


Gravatar"There are a lot of angry people out there. I think if they screw around with the elections again it could get ugly."

I would say, "By gawd it is about time"!!


Gravatarwhat the TV told them.
Eli

TeeVee....mother, teacher...{secret lover}......


GravatarTeeVee....mother, teacher...{secret lover}......

One of the snippets of magnetic poetry on my fridge: "The repulsive TV is my true mother."


GravatarDmmit your right again Eli...the Mav's game is on in less than an hour!


GravatarNot... exactly.
Eli

try it and see. If it doesn't work, or your laptop is damaged, jack will buy a new top-of-the-line laptop.
The Old Man From Scene 24


Oh.

Mmmmm . . . maybe I shouldn't have turned on the sprinklerzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzjhjhzhjzhjzhnmzjxzkjzjkha zhsdkswhflajfkladsjfkjlsdhtfkljhjfkljasdhgfkjlasdh fjklsdhfkla


GravatarDmmit your right again Eli...the Mav's game is on in less than an hour!

Well, technically, that's still in the future...


Gravatarfinding of the Ford Motor Company that it would be more cost-effective to let people die and offer settlements than to recall cars.--k&y
Anyone that works for corporate america is a loser.
jack | 06.03.06 - 7:14 pm |

This is an example of a device popular with Zionists and Rethugs but by no means restricted to them, which might be called "outblasting." Imagine someone comments on the undeniable evil of Nazis, and a nearby Nazi immediately shrieks, "yes, kill all the white people!" Leaving aside the dire projection and misperception issues made evident here, the goal is to use a strawman backwards in self-defense. Nixon's Checkers speech was close to this: "Yes I took contributions, but it was an adorable dog." The Ford Motor Company's board of directors certainly look evil plotting to allow a known danger to menace the public in the name of cost effectiveness and profit, but this by no means has anything to do with everyone in corporate America.


GravatarLot's of people have played keys for the dead and survived. This is like those lists of people close to the Clinton's or the JFK assassination who turned up dead. everyone you or I know will turn up dead someday.

Quite right. Grateful Dead keyboardists aren't in the same league as The Ramones. Or, for that matter, Spinal Tap drummers.


GravatarQuite right. Grateful Dead keyboardists aren't in the same league as The Ramones. Or, for that matter, Spinal Tap drummers.

Or NWH managers.


GravatarGrateful Dead keyboardists aren't in the same league as The Ramones. Or, for that matter, Spinal Tap drummers.
Andrew


Are you sure?

Haven't several Dead keyboardists died of spontaneous combustion?

If not, how do you explain Bruce Hornsby's hair?


GravatarGrateful Dead keyboardists aren't in the same league as The Ramones. Or, for that matter, Spinal Tap drummers.
Andrew


Are you sure?

Haven't several Dead keyboardists died of spontaneous combustion?

If not, how do you explain Bruce Hornsby's hair?


GravatarOr if you're a bioweapons specialist maybe thirty of you turn up dead in the same month, all under uspicious circumstances the cops refuse to investigate against their own mandates, and at a time when the government is getting Putiny. You know. These things happen.


GravatarWe have oatmeal cookies for any interested parties. And key limeade.


GravatarWe have oatmeal cookies for any interested parties. And key limeade.
Sallyh


I'm sold!


GravatarEli--are we watching tonight? Or are you tuned into the ballgame?

BTW, your birthday is in four days...what kind of cake?


Gravatar(Hands Steve NS a plate of cookies and a tall cold glass)


GravatarOooOooOoo

Key limeade sounds wonderful, Sallyh


GravatarBless your eternal soul, Sallyh.

*chomp*


Gravatarkey limeade? yes, please.


Gravatarso now its a north south thing?

My My, how the MSM spins in the wind, yet if you go out on the street, and ask them, they say WTF?
Are you Crazy?


GravatarDiane--and it's not bad combined with a little Malibu Rum or some Cuervo and blue Curacao!


GravatarSallyh, birthday is Monday - chocolate cake?


GravatarAnd there are also conspiracies that are all-but-proven, such as the clumsy but terrifying Russian bombing of their own people to generate support for the Chechen war. The destruction of mammoth apartment bocks, never mentioned in American media since IX/XI, stopped after it was proven that the explosive used was a KGB proprietary formula. Soldiers who discovered mysterious stockpiles of the stuff in unlikely places were suddenly transferred to extremely dangerous and distant hardship posts. And of course, it's Russians, who have never had any compunction about killing their own.


GravatarEli--are we watching tonight? Or are you tuned into the ballgame?

BTW, your birthday is in four days...what kind of cake?


Boo!

I'm thinking either something devil's-food/black-foresty with raspberry, ice cream, or banana. As Mr. Mackey would say: Mmm, cake...


Gravatar Diane--and it's not bad combined with a little Malibu Rum or some Cuervo and blue Curacao!
Sallyh


Oh my! How...refreshing


Gravatar
For you: Hope that big dork gets it right.

Nikki X
http://img.photobucket.com/album...0001/ arthur.jpg
DWD - Stifled


Oh great - now I have to go to the framers and have this made up properly for Arthur's desk....


GravatarThis is all assuming that the thunderstorm doesn't knock out my cable or DSL or make my laptop explode...


GravatarDWD, Monday?

And then Eli on Wednesday?

The Summer birthday season is upon us.


GravatarThis is all assuming that the thunderstorm doesn't knock out my cable or DSL or make my laptop explode...

Cake makes melted motherboard all better.


Gravatari live in georgia. have always lived here. there's 2 types of democrats down here: there's the old time democrat and the new south democrat. they share only a couple views. we should focus on those cornerstone views, i think, and take it to churches and farming association meetings. but it won't happen until people feel it in their wallets, like gas prices and falling housing markets, which will decrease the value of land, which is a major market down here where there is still open quasi-natural landscape.


GravatarLIST OF PROVEN CONSPIRACIES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lis...en_conspiracies

Hmmm, no MJ-12 in there...


GravatarAnd of course, it's Russians, who have never had any compunction about killing their own.
kei & yuri


that's right, they're utterly unlike the american military and government, who have never sent black, asian or native american soldiers on extremely dangerous missions with experimental technologies under severe hardship no white soldier would ever be expected to suffer.


GravatarCompletely OT, but Annie Lennox OMG!

(Video goes to shit at the end, unfortunately - I think there's only one copy floating around on the internets, and it was apparently encoded by monkeys on crack)


GravatarAnd of course, it's Russians, who have never had any compunction about killing their own.

Many a country, even America, has stooped to such depths to encourage the population into war.
I give you the Sussex as an example, it was never sunk, nor did anyone die, yet it was used, false flag, to committ to war/death.

Tis a hard curb to climb, but indeed, our leaders send us to wars not of our doing, such is why dith, and many others fail to see the foolishness of there pro-war diatribes


GravatarDWD--chocolate cake pour vous, black forest cake for Eli on the 7th.


GravatarAh, one of my favourite Eurythmics songs.


GravatarDiane, but I always get a nice present: two and a half months with nothing much to do . . . .

Kind of refreshing after a busy school year. It really is odd: I worked in industry for 13 years before becoming a teacher. When I started, the schedule just seemed perfectly natural.


Gravatarfor this exercise dialectic is altered;;;
I don't often revert to the Socratic Dialectic.

Whom here so sayeth that wisdom is not inherent?
And how so might you defend that position?
Doth not a deer stand in hours and run?
Doth not a goose know the path of migration?
Doth not a sea turtle know to swim, and the direction to get it there?

And yet all of these formerly mentioned species never study or pass any exams. Nay.
Nor are papers with words and ideas exchanged between them.
They have no Professors to lecture them as well.
How so can this be that they know what they do not know?
Then should we not suppose that Wisdom, inherent knowledge, Vis, has passed thru the energy of life or blood from parent to offspring?
How, I ask, dear blogger, can we appease all of our simple minds, and still cross this chasm of inherent knowledge, that every mankind can comprehend?


GravatarDWD--chocolate cake pour vous, black forest cake for Eli on the 7th.

Mmm... Merci, grandmamanh.


GravatarAh, one of my favourite Eurythmics songs.

Great song, gorgeous video.


GravatarThanks, Sallyh and I will share. Promise.

Happy birthday Eli - first day of vacation for me. I will celebrate in your honor.


GravatarHow did we miss this? The double use of "bubba" is in line with our other case about the cynical use of anti-Semitism by the nonJewish establishment. Those on our side will be protected against bigotry, oh, bigotry, oh it's so evil, it's the worst thing in the world, whereupon those not on our side are dirty kikes and unwashed bubbas and rape-happy apes. It's just like the Michael Weiner idea but with rednecks.


GravatarHappy birthday Eli - first day of vacation for me. I will celebrate in your honor.

Thanks, DWD! Right back atcha!


Gravatari don't know what all this red state/blue state hububb is about.

only a few dead-ender states in the mountain west like bush plus perhaps a few pockets of freedom fries elsewhere, but the large majority of this country is ready for a return to sanity.


Gravatar And of course, it's Russians, who have never had any compunction about killing their own.
kei & yuri


The Rodina is a harsh mistress...


Gravatarthat was my post, inherent knowledge.

I am old, I am tired, My hands hurt, and my heart aches, and I need to pass on the ways of the word before I go.

I bid you people here, to forget your bias, to center thy thoughts, and to see that what you cannot, to think outside the bubble, and to always be truthful..


GravatarWell, DWD and Eli, here is an early birthday gift.

(Eli, I don't think this one is part of the packet I sent to you for V.)

The rest of you are welcome to peek as well, but keep your insulin handy.


Gravatarjoyous nativity, son of the most high. may you have much cake and mead.


GravatarMazzy Star's Fade into you ain't bad either.


GravatarWell, DWD and Eli, here is an early birthday gift.

(Eli, I don't think this one is part of the packet I sent to you for V.)


Aww. Thanks, Diane!

(It wasn't.)


GravatarEli, though I dont know you, In my heart, and my infinite soul, I wish you a happy birthday.


GravatarThanks, JJM and chidy (I think...).


Gravatar"Well, DWD and Eli, here is an early birthday gift"


how cute! i want one of those for my birthday, too!


GravatarCake? I would love some! Yellow, please. 500,000 slices...


GravatarIn your dreams, it shall come upon you ELI, and when so it does, do not fear, thy three will appear first, then the one will follow, this, though time may pass and you may forget these words, is my promise unto you.

It shall and wiil come to pass.


GravatarIn your dreams, it shall come upon you ELI, and when so it does, do not fear, thy three will appear first, then the one will follow, this, though time may pass and you may forget these words, is my promise unto you.

It shall and wiil come to pass.


Hopefully this is a good thing...


GravatarHad never seen this one by Mazzy (hope sandoval - Suzanne), quite good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w...ch=mazzy% 20star


GravatarFor what it is worth McLaughin just predicted a Busby win.


GravatarYou know who rocks? The New Pornographers rock.


GravatarFDL said:

Markos and Jerome are currently on CNBC on the Tim Russert show. FYI — it’s a good conversation thus far. (Cozumel says that the show will repeat on CNBC again at 10 pm ET.)

Has dKos been on "Meet the Press"?


GravatarHas dKos been on "Meet the Press"?
masculine_monica_nyc

does russert even know what a blog is?


Gravatarhow cute! i want one of those for my birthday, too!
smarty jones


Just let me know when the big day comes (or is it January 1 like all the other colts?).


Gravatardoes russert even know what a blog is?

Chris Matthews probably explained it all to him.


GravatarMore cookies! More limeade!


GravatarZogby said he has never seen such numbers.

So what happens when the repukes retain both houses?

Do we all just sit in stunned silence as they fucking steal another one?

Or do the pitchforks and torches finally come out?


GravatarGood evening people. Anything going on?


GravatarFuck, I killed the thread.


GravatarDo we all just sit in stunned silence as they fucking steal another one?
Or do the pitchforks and torches finally come out?

I wouldn't expect that people would discuss any necessary planning in a public forum.


GravatarYou know who rocks? The New Pornographers rock.

Indeed. Another one of my personal faves.

I'd love to know who the leading lady is in that video. Oh, that dance at the end....


GravatarFuck, I killed the thread.

It was long dead before you arrived.


GravatarThank fuck, it's mena!


GravatarMena-you certainly did not. Have a Cancun Splash and some oatmeal cookies.


GravatarIt just gets worse:
IDs of Active Personnel on Stolen Laptop
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Personal data on up to 50,000 active Navy and National Guard personnel were among those stolen from a Veterans Affairs employee last month, the government said Saturday in a disclosure that goes beyond what VA initially reported.
VA Secretary Jim Nicholson said in a statement that his agency discovered after an internal investigation that the names, Social Security numbers and dates of birth of up to 20,000 National Guard and Reserve personnel who were on at least their second active-duty call-up were ''potentially included.''
In addition, the same information on up to 30,000 active-duty Navy personnel who completed their first enlistment term prior to 1991 also were believed to stored on the computer laptop and disks stolen from a VA data analyst at his Aspen Hill, Md., home on May 3.


GravatarIt was long dead before you arrived.
==


So then, there's nothing going on?


GravatarIndeed. Another one of my personal faves.

I'd love to know who the leading lady is in that video. Oh, that dance at the end....


Right now I'm watching their Sing Me Spanish Techno video - song doesn't do much for me, but the video is... different.


GravatarSo then, there's nothing going on?

Not that anyone's telling *me*, anyway.


GravatarHey monica!. Ooh Sallyh, Sounds delish. What's in a Cancun Splash?


GravatarRight now I'm watching their Sing Me Spanish Techno video - song doesn't do much for me, but the video is... different.

They don't really go for "conventional", to be sure.

Song's not one of Carl Newman's standouts, but I like the chorus plenty.


GravatarAh, I see. One of those leisurely threads. Nothing wrong with that. It's ususally so amped around here that this looks like it's standing still.


GravatarThey don't really go for "conventional", to be sure.

Song's not one of Carl Newman's standouts, but I like the chorus plenty.


Off the top of my head, I think my favorites are "It's Only Divine Right" and "Mass Romantic". And the second half of "Testament To Youth In Verse".


GravatarEli, you dork. Is it your birthday?


GravatarEvening, freethinkers

Hope e/one's having a fantastic w/end, so far...


GravatarEli, you dork. Is it your birthday?

Wednesday.


Gravatari could tell you all two ironically similar stories of dear friends getting busted with their hands in the proverbial cookie jars by their (str partners, if you're bored.


GravatarOff the top of my head, I think my favorites are "It's Only Divine Right" and "Mass Romantic". And the second half of "Testament To Youth In Verse".

That 5-part vocal bit in "Testament" is undiluted genius.

I'd say my preferred NP songs are "Loose Translation", "The Laws Have Changed", "The Fake Headlines" (how on-topic!), annnnnd... "The Bleeding Heart Show". But there are lots more I really like.


GravatarTell us, Chicago. It's being demanded that cuddle a cat right now.


GravatarFuck, I killed the thread.

It was long dead before you arrived.

Eli

but now i'm back.

is it still dead?

john baldessari, it looks stupid, but consider the artists intent.


GravatarApparently, "It's Only Divine Right" is about the Bush twins.


Gravatarjohn baldessari, it looks stupid, but consider the artists intent.

From the title, I was expecting some kind of cheesy Old Trek kind of thing...


GravatarMena--tequila, blue curacao, sweet & sour.

or, if you prefer, Monsieur just opened the Malibu rum, complete with Coca Cola and a key lime slice.


GravatarI bought the Twin Cinema album from iTunes but I can't really say I'm a NP fan, yet. I definitely don't like the songs the girl sings - not sure why, they just creep me out.


Gravatarripley, i spent the first (second?) night of this weekend getting shitfaced with cops and firemen. i was hiding from repeated attempts at assualt in the car by the end...does that count as fabulous?


GravatarFor some reason, I am reminded of what may very well be The Greatest Painting Of All Time.


GravatarAnd if *that's* not the greatest of all time, then this one surely is.


GravatarMena--I don't know about where you are, but it's a bit toasty in LA. So we're moving nice and slow


GravatarHope e/one's having a fantastic w/end, so far...
Ripley

and by the way Ripley's blog needs some attention. it's a pretty damn good blog. so say sumth'n.

everyday just sucks for me. but you get used to it after awhile.


GravatarI bought the Twin Cinema album from iTunes but I can't really say I'm a NP fan, yet. I definitely don't like the songs the girl sings - not sure why, they just creep me out.

I don't think that album really did much of anything for me, but I loved the first(?) two.


Gravatarripley, i spent the first (second?) night of this weekend getting shitfaced with cops and firemen. i was hiding from repeated attempts at assualt in the car by the end...does that count as fabulous?

Yeesh, CD - sounds like it went from fun to scary. Hope you got some names on these freakos...


GravatarI definitely don't like the songs the girl sings - not sure why, they just creep me out.

Jeez, you should hear her (Neko Case's) solo stuff.

Beautiful, and eerie.


Gravatarcharley - the art world has been a little too insular and self-referential for several decades now. But that's not a bad image.


Sallyh - can't do rum, unfortunately. I nearly killed myself with a bottle at 17. I'll stick with the Splash. And cookies. I love you.


Gravatarmena- a good friend just found out that after months of intimacy with another woman's husband, said husband has been busted. why? because he came by for a nooner with my friend while her aunt rhoda was visiting, and he failed to ahem, 'clean up' before donning his undies. the wife did some very interesting laudary that week, to say the least.

what's bad here: both married partners in this story have state-approved papers to carry and use concealed weapons. one of them has a temper.


Gravatareveryday just sucks for me. but you get used to it after awhile.

Thanks for the plug, charley. And maybe you have a beer deficiency. That's what I tell myself - 'it's all for my health'...


Gravatarcharley - the art world has been a little too insular and self-referential for several decades now.

It's true - Brandon Bird's work is very inaccessible.


Gravatar...does that count as fabulous?
==


It counts as impressive. You okay?


GravatarMena--and remember:

The Republicans want all of us dead
But only Eli can kill a thread.


Gravatarhi moonbats


Gravatar
Jeez, you should hear her (Neko Case's) solo stuff.

Beautiful, and eerie.


I thought she was gone and the guy's sister is on the new album... no? I've heard Neko's solo stuff but never bothered to pick up any of her album's. Got any recommendations?


GravatarEli,

that is pretty cool.

you know, i really don't understand postmodernism.

i sort of suspect it means you can say anything about anything, and that's valid.

which cheapens meaning in the real world, but hey, that's where we live.


GravatarIt's true - Brandon Bird's work is very inaccessible.

Seems the Highway to Heaven is long, and full of squid.


GravatarI'll have mena's rum, then-- in something sweet and coconutty, if it's not too much trouble.

It doesn't have to have a little paper parasol in it or anything. Although that would be lovely.


Gravataryou know, i really don't understand postmodernism.

i sort of suspect it means you can say anything about anything, and that's valid.


I just like the idea that Christopher Walken drinks Tab and builds robots in his basement.


Gravatarripley: hahahahahahah! names? no, i've got four hundred new ones in my cell phone. i didn't want to not take them, if you catch my drift. "get names" indeed. my friend, remember i am a poor brown woman; if i am pleasured by an agressive,drunken member of our uniformed security forces, it is my duty and honor to enjoy it, whether i like it or not, like millions of "prostitutes" everywhere in brown america.

but don't worry, i'm bigger or smarter than almost all of them, and the girls take care of me when i need back up.


Gravatarwhat's bad here: both married partners in this story have state-approved papers to carry and use concealed weapons. one of them has a temper.
==

Yikes!

Eli - those paintings are hysterical!


Gravatarbut don't worry, i'm bigger or smarter than almost all of them, and the girls take care of me when i need back up.

I think CD lives in Sin City...


GravatarHedgehog Close Up

Special Saturday Hedgehog Blogging



Gravatarhttp://www.newshounds.us/2006/ 06..._condi.php#more

hush and watch


GravatarI thought she was gone and the guy's sister is on the new album... no? I've heard Neko's solo stuff but never bothered to pick up any of her album's. Got any recommendations?

Newman's niece does a lot of the female vocals on the album, but I believe the female lead on 3 tracks is Neko.

Her newest solo album's quite good, but I still prefer "Blacklisted", it sustains a noir-ish mood brilliantly from start to finish. Great 3:00am highway music.


Gravatari'm bigger or smarter than almost all of them, and the girls take care of me when i need back up.
==

Pssh. I'm not going to worry about you, then.


Gravataryou know, i really don't understand postmodernism.

Postmodernism is already passe. We're in a postpostmodern world. To cope with it, I recommend whiskey.


GravatarLittle Bro--happy to make you a Malibu Rum Cuba Libre. However, the paper parasols are MINE.

Sorry.


GravatarHiya, Thers! Is NYMary around?


GravatarChristopher Walken can't drink Tab, he's too busy downing Famous Amos' Sugar Free Chocolate Soda.


GravatarWe're in a postpostmodern world.

I like to think of it as pre-future.


Gravatarvia skippy:

in a 2003 interview with ladies home journal, bush told peggy noonan that during the late-night hours of sept. 11, he and wife laura were hustled around the white house in their bedtime clothes because it was thought a jet was going to crash into the building. “[t]he day ended on a relatively humorous note,” he said. “we got a laugh out of it.”
"bad taste” doesn’t really seem to do this justice


Gravatar I recommend whiskey.
Thers | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 8:33 pm | #


Thank you, Thers. You're not so bad yourself.



GravatarPostmodernism is already passe. We're in a postpostmodern world. To cope with it, I recommend whiskey.
==


It was passe-looking when they first started trumpeting it in the 80s. And beer works well, too.


GravatarGrandmere Poissonniere I would love a drink, but your name, poison, thus makes me leary =)


GravatarDigby is right. The Dems have to stop trying to placate the conservatives in this country.

Russ Feingold and a few other Dems get this and say so. The Dems need to be unapologetically for women's reproductive rights, against the war, for fair taxes on the rich, and be pro-environmentalists.

The people of this country need to be led, not followed by a bunch of pandering Gooper-lite Dems.


GravatarHiya, Thers! Is NYMary around?

Oooh, email that too her, it'll cheer her up...


GravatarAre you or have you ever been
a random bullshit generator?


GravatarRe hedgehog -- jesus. That's not cute at all. It's a far less pleasant rat.


GravatarOooh, email that too her, it'll cheer her up...

Will do - that was kinda my hope.


GravatarSo then, there's nothing going on?

Not that anyone's telling *me*, anyway.
Eli |


I saw somebody ahead of me in the line at Basha's buying Fresca. I hadn't realised it was still manufactured.

And of course, my plea still goes out - any of you happen to stumble across any old, NOS, NIP twin cotton fitted sheets (hint -look in your mother's or mother-in-law's linen closet) I'm more than happy to take them off your hands....

5.30pm, 110F... But the new ramada? No sun on the west side windows! Hurrah!


Gravatar"bad taste” doesn’t really seem to do this justice

Amen that, sister


GravatarI like to think of it as pre-future.

How hopelessly unhip. We are of course postprefuture.


GravatarHow hopelessly unhip. We are of course postprefuture.

Well, shit.


GravatarThe repubs are the new minority, let them placate to the people, the pissed off people.


Gravatar NOS, NIP twin cotton fitted sheets

What does that mean? I'm sure I don't have any of them but now I'm curious...


GravatarMrs. Tiggy-Winkle!


GravatarWell, shit.
SteveNS
==

Silly. You're not supposed to be able to keep up.


GravatarMrs. Tiggy-Winkle!
Moonbootica, Buffy Geek | Homepage | 06.03.06 - 8:39 pm | #



An excellent clear-starcher!


GravatarThe GOoPers have no grounds to stand on nor do they have the power to demand placation of anything from the people.


Gravatarthe Royal Ballet released the The Tales of Beatrix Potter in 1971, featuring dancers from the Royal Ballet dancing in animal constums to the music performed by the Orchestra of the Royal Opera House.

choreography was by Sir Frederic Ashton.


GravatarOur great media can seamlessly shift from deriding Democrats for being contemptous of certain regional cultures to deriding a man from that culture.

Dean Broder: "He came in here and he trashed the place, and it's not his place."

We are of course postprefuture.

Prepluperfectmodern.


GravatarThey Called Him Bubba

They call the wind "Maria".


GravatarI saw somebody ahead of me in the line at Basha's buying Fresca. I hadn't realised it was still manufactured.

Back when my dad had his own company, his fridge was always well-stocked with Fresca.



Phila! Did you see this?


GravatarSilly. You're not supposed to be able to keep up.
mena


I keep chasing the fractal timewave, but it's just getting faster and faster....


GravatarThank you, Thers. You're not so bad yourself.

Whiskey, whiskey Wiskey Ina
Whiskey, whiskey Ina-O.


GravatarThey Called Him Bubba

They call the wind "Maria".


They call me "the Breeze".


GravatarNOS, NIP twin cotton fitted sheets

What does that mean? I'm sure I don't have any of them but now I'm curious...
Ripley


New Old Stock, and New In Package. (Usually NIB; New In Box)


Gravatar'Cops' on now. Guy acting nuts in restaurant. One of the guys he was harassing said the thing he could not take was when the nut called him 'George Bush'


Gravatar'Cops' on now. Guy acting nuts in restaurant. One of the guys he was harassing said the thing he could not take was when the nut called him 'George Bush'


We'll know we've turned the corner when this becomes the foundation of a successful justifiable homicide defense.


GravatarI keep chasing the fractal timewave, but it's just getting faster and faster.... -SteveNS

I've actually exited the thread before I entered.


Gravatargoodnight moonbats


GravatarAuction speak: NOS, NIP twin cotton fitted sheets
New Old Stock - stuff that's been sitting around since 1958 without ever having been opened or used. New in package - maybe bought, but never unpacked or used.... Fitted sheets - the sheet used to go around the mattress, generally with elastic of some kind at the corners. Cotton: a textile fiber, vegetable in origin, cultivated in hot climates.


GravatarNew Old Stock, and New In Package. (Usually NIB; New In Box)

Is there a manufacturing difference or something? Organic, maybe? Don't think I've ever heard sheets described that way...


GravatarWe are of course postprefuture.

We harness the power of the Infnite mind.


GravatarAnonymous--it means 'fishwife' in French.

That should scare you more


GravatarSome people call me Maurice.


GravatarThe Frank Capra classic, Mr. Smith goes to Washington, on TCM.


GravatarWe are of course postprefuture.

Prepluperfectmodern.
masculine_monica_nyc


We live in a presently imperfect subjugated world. And I'm tense...


GravatarFitted sheets - the sheet used to go around the mattress, generally with elastic of some kind at the corners. Cotton: a textile fiber, vegetable in origin, cultivated in hot climates.

Pppbbbtttt!!! Clever trousers!


GravatarThey call me "the Breeze".
Ripley
==

You and J.J. Cale! What are the odds?


GravatarI'm too distracted by the alien red rain to concentrate on postprefuturism.


GravatarI've never smoked a cigarette in my life.


GravatarThey call him Bubba, Bubba,
Faster than light-ning
No one they see
fucks more interns than he
And we know Bubba,
Lives in a world full of wonder,
Getting blown there under ...


GravatarI keep chasing the fractal timewave, but it's just getting faster and faster.... -SteveNS

its the wall of the time wave of the time wave domain, or zee zero point energy.

Why for that man can't see that life has no color, or race?


GravatarOne of the guys he was harassing said the thing he could not take was when the nut called him 'George Bush'

When this guy was on camera, was there a flashing crawl at the bottom of the screen reading: Special Guest Appearance by President George W. Bush?


GravatarI am so prodigious I have pre-impregnated millions of pre-pregnant women.


GravatarSay, speaking of music, anyone familiar with Animal Liberation Orchestra? I heard them on radioIOeclectic and they sounded pretty cool. Only one album on iTunes, which didn't really move me too much, though...


GravatarJeffCo--I really love your peaches.


GravatarThe theme from "The Littlest Hobo" kicks the shit out of "Flipper" and his nancy-boy theme song.


GravatarPostmodern, to me, is simply rehash. The old and the new.


Gravatar I've never smoked a cigarette in my life.

I've been covering your action. You owe me $17,357.38, btw...


GravatarSmoked plenty of pole, though.


GravatarI am so prodigious I have pre-impregnated millions of pre-pregnant women.

I wont even go there..too easy.


GravatarI am so prodigious I have pre-impregnated millions of pre-pregnant women.

That is a post-cad attitude.


Gravatarsockeye or redeye salmon jack?


GravatarJeffCo--I really love your peaches. | whiskeyina - 8:48 pm

Then you don't have to quit shaking his (her) tree.


GravatarJeffCo--I really love your peaches. -whiskeyina

Actually I was just listening to Jungle Love, but thanks.


Gravatarcharley - the art world has been a little too insular and self-referential for several decades now. But that's not a bad image.

mena, i've seen prints of his full size, done by gemini gel. fuck'n beautiful.

i really don't know what the artists intent even means. and that's the way i like it to be.

i used to call Robert Rauschenberg a trash artist, which he is. self referential is a good thing to me. unless you're talking chris matthews.


GravatarSpeaking of music, did anyone hear my friend Matthew Hebert on AirAmerica with Rachel Maddow last week?


GravatarI wont even go there..too easy. -Anonymous

I don't mind being the poster child for preposterism.


Gravatari used to call Robert Rauschenberg a trash artist, which he is. self referential is a good thing to me. unless you're talking chris matthews.

He's a trash artist of a different sort.


GravatarI am so prodigious I have pre-impregnated millions of pre-pregnant women.

That is a post-cad attitude.


Which can only lead to a podcast ending...


GravatarHowdy all.


GravatarWhen this guy was on camera, was there a flashing crawl at the bottom of the screen reading: Special Guest Appearance by President George W. Bush?

No, but I got the impression that the cop he was telling, did not seem surprised that someone would find that very offensive.


GravatarAnd Ripley, mostly when you see NOS or NIP, it's a shorthand way of saying you're looking for old stuff made before the sixties when the degradation of goods became prevalent. When you're dealing with textiles you're looking at the consequences of both the gradual shut down of the great US textile mills and processors and the consequences of the substitution of polyesters as a result of both several years terrible collapse of the cotton crop -and- the consequence of the Vietnam war which effectively claimed what remaining stockpiles of cotton that were available for uniforms and supplies. By about 1970, the ordinary sheets and towels and everyday things that the US had produced from cotton were just about entirely switched over to half cotton/half poly, with the concomittant shift from reliance on internal supply to reliance on petroleum products bought externally, along with shifts in employment which to a degree fed the civil unrest faced by the South thru that period....

So, NOS sheets? Good.


GravatarHey Moe.


GravatarSpeaking of music, did anyone hear my friend Matthew Hebert on AirAmerica with Rachel Maddow last week?
whiskeyina


No, but cool!

He's getting great reviews on his new album.


GravatarI've never smoked a cigarette in my life, but I do smoke a lot of poles.


GravatarWe are aware that Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is on TCM? With Claude Rains? Now?


GravatarI've never smoked a cigarette in my life, but I do smoke a lot of poles.
jack | 06.03.06 - 8:54 pm |

That's what I'm talking about, bitch.


GravatarBy about 1970
It was clear the Democrats would be toast for an entire generation.


GravatarPostmodernism is already passe. We're in a postpostmodern world.

popomo?


GravatarHey Incog. What are people thinking down in New Orleans? Are they upbeat, or is the summer approach just too much for them?


Gravatarpopomo?

That has to be The Beach Boys' worst song.


GravatarI don't think jack is gay, nor do I think it's an insult to him to suggest so, but I do think that like most of our trolls he has declined to work through his sexual ambivalence. Poor, sadly irrelevant troll.


GravatarPostmodernism is already passe. We're in a postpostmodern world.

popomo?


I call it "postprandialism."


Gravatarself referential is a good thing to me. unless you're talking chris matthews.
==

In art it means work you can't get unless you're up on what other artists have done - in other words, in on the scene. There's nothing invalid about such work, it's just less accessible. It's why the "Outsider Art" movement got going. Art by people who hadn't been to art school, supposedly for people who didn't go to art school.


Gravatarpopomo?

That has to be The Beach Boys' worst song.


Almost as bad as Madonna's 'Popomo Preach'.

But try to get it out of your head now...


Gravatarthe pakistani gov't has banned the DVC movie. Will any fundies understand now why we call them the American Taliban?


Gravatarthe pakistani gov't has banned the DVC movie. Will any fundies understand now why we call them the American Taliban?


GravatarHow weird--there's a Matthew HERbert. My friend is Matthew HEbert. They probably know this already!


GravatarWhich can only lead to a podcast ending...

Oh, postpodcastism.


GravatarThat has to be The Beach Boys' worst song. -SteveNS

Without it we would not have the Enormous Mendacious Disembodied Anus.


GravatarDoes anyone in Pakistan get it?


Gravatar the pakistani gov't has banned the DVC movie

Yet they have nuclear technology. And people say there's a God...


GravatarHey Incog. What are people thinking down in New Orleans? Are they upbeat, or is the summer approach just too much for them?
Moe Szyslak


I live in the northwest corner of Louisiana but we still have alot of evacuees here. Most seem to be planning to stay who have moved here. My cousin moved back there recently. It's still all 'up in the air' about New Orleans.


GravatarIt's why the "Outsider Art" movement got going. Art by people who hadn't been to art school, supposedly for people who didn't go to art school.
mena


This concept is milked for a few laughs in "Art School Confidential".


Gravatarpopomo?

You're nostalgic, perhaps, for Pomo Afro Homos?


GravatarHow weird--there's a Matthew HERbert. My friend is Matthew HEbert. They probably know this already!

Oops! My apologies whiskeyina, I thought there was just the one!


GravatarI don't mind being the poster child for preposterism.
JeffCO | 06.03.06 - 8:52 pm | #


I didn't want to start the standing ovation, but I can't let this go un-applauded.


GravatarAlmost as bad as Madonna's 'Popomo Preach'.
==

You are a very bad man.


GravatarWithout it we would not have the Enormous Mendacious Disembodied Anus.

Hm. I had not considered that.


...


Nope. Still hate the song.


Gravatarself referential is a good thing to me. unless you're talking chris matthews.
==

In art it means work you can't get unless you're up on what other artists have done - in other words, in on the scene.


Bourdieu makes this distinction between people who make art (this holds for books, music, paintings, whatever) for the general market and those who make it primarily for other "producers of culture" -- that is, other artists, critics, the "connosseiurs."


GravatarIt's almost Boo time!


GravatarHmmm. I read somewhere that global warming will put everything in Louisiana south of I-10 under water in coming decades. I drove through there a couple of years ago-- my family is french Canadian, and I was moving up to the Acadia area, thought I should take a lookie. It's a wonderful part of the world. But there it goes.


GravatarNope. Still hate the song.

Ringringringringringringring, bananaphone...


GravatarWe live in a post-closing tags era.


GravatarI can't let this go un-applauded. -whiskeyina

You're too kind - mostly I'm just trying to keep on smilin' through the rain, laughin' at the pain, rollin' with the changes 'til the sun comes out again.


GravatarWill any fundies understand now why we call them the American Taliban?
DemByDefault


No, not ever.


Gravatar Re hedgehog -- jesus. That's not cute at all. It's a far less pleasant rat.

nooooh! Hedgehogs are teh cute. They roll into little balls to defend themselves or they hiss at you. We used to leave a saucer of milk out for them and watch when the mama and all the little round baby hedgehogs would come to drink from it.


Gravatarthat is, other artists, critics, the "connosseiurs."

They're so negative, though. I prefer to hang out with the pronosseiurs, who have a more upbeat attitude. They don't get all heavy and bring me down...


Gravatara good friend just found out that after months of intimacy with another woman's husband, said husband has been busted. why? because he came by for a nooner with my friend while her aunt rhoda was visiting, and he failed to ahem, 'clean up' before donning his undies. the wife did some very interesting laudary that week, to say the least.

To hell with the firearms, sounds like nobody outside this immediate group is in any particular danger at this point. However I gotta say this reminds me of those "logic puzzle" things where Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice are out fishing, and Bob's favorite color is blue, and Carol's shoes are white, and Ted's using goldfish for bait, and Alice is wearing a purple hair ribbon, and you have to figure out which one of them drove the farthest distance to the lake and who arrived in a green car.

(sorry CD, I think the discussion of art forced me to say this.)


GravatarRingringringringringringring, bananaphone...

Interactive-odular!


GravatarI prefer to hang out with the pronosseiurs, who have a more upbeat attitude.

Yeah, the pr0nosseiurs are always "up".


GravatarBut there it goes.
Moe Szyslak


Yeah, the southern half of the state will be under water. Where I live, Shreveport, it's 30 feet above sea level.


GravatarBourdieu makes this distinction between people who make art (this holds for books, music, paintings, whatever) for the general market and those who make it primarily for other "producers of culture" -- that is, other artists, critics, the "connosseiurs." -Thers

So now you discourse on art criticism from the counter at the Subway on West Main in Hoboken where you and NYMary work to support your 158 kids?


GravatarI'm the only one watching Boo, aren't I.

Pretty promising so far, actually.


GravatarWe are aware that Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is on TCM? With Claude Rains? Now?

It's the best part.


Gravatarand those who make it primarily for other "producers of culture" -- that is, other artists, critics, the "connosseiurs."
==

Yeah, that's been raging back and forth for years now in the schools. It's not a desirable thing to be an elitist. The problem is, that second category of work you mention is the only interesting kind, if you're not an interior decorator. Which suggests the disjusnct between what's happening in the schools and the Scene, and the general culture. This seems to be thought of as a bad thing.


GravatarI'm sorry--I've never heard of Wet Willie...


GravatarOh boy, her boyfriend's a moron.


Gravatarnooooh! Hedgehogs are teh cute.

You must be unfamiliar with Spiny Norman.


GravatarI'm sorry--I've never heard of Wet Willie... -whiskeyina

No. Way! Well, first you stick your index finger in your mouth....


GravatarRingringringringringringring, bananaphone...
Eli
==

You are also a Bad Man! What's a Boo?


Gravatar I'm the only one watching Boo, aren't I.

Just tuned in but I'm listening to internets radio. Hope I don't miss any cheesy dialogue...


GravatarNOS, NIP twin cotton fitted sheets

What does that mean? I'm sure I don't have any of them but now I'm curious...

Ripley

now that's postmodernism.

but don't worry thers, i'm on it. i had to laugh at myself a few minutes ago when i asked "i wonder if it means i'm an alcholic if i kill, or almost kill a 12 pack every nite"


GravatarOMGWTF.


GravatarJeffCO, Spiny Norman is big for a hedgehog.

They make little pedestrian crossings for hedgehogs in the U.K., or used to, anyway.


Gravatar"Count Pimpula"???


Gravatar109F and it's time for YELLOW BALL!!!!!!!!


GravatarYou are also a Bad Man! What's a Boo?

This week's Saturday Sci-Fi movie.


GravatarYou must be unfamiliar with Spiny Norman.

"No one ever predicted that hedgehogs would be used as missiles."

-Condileeza Rice.


GravatarNo. Way! Well, first you stick your index finger in your mouth....
JeffCO | 06.03.06 - 9:11 pm | #


Hey, hey. No fair! You set me up, didn't you!


Gravatari had to laugh at myself a few minutes ago when i asked "i wonder if it means i'm an alcholic if i kill, or almost kill a 12 pack every nite"

I call that good old American perseverence! A can-do attitude is what this country needs right now, yessir!


Gravatari had to laugh at myself a few minutes ago when i asked "i wonder if it means i'm an alcholic if i kill, or almost kill a 12 pack every nite"

Dunno, but chances are it means you're a member of my family.


GravatarMena, would you like me to send you the country version of Bananaphone? I also have a droll little Flash movie based on Bananaphone that I accidentally found.


GravatarKiss her!!! Kiss her!!!!

Damn...

Eli knows what I mean...


GravatarI also have a droll little Flash movie based on Bananaphone that I accidentally found.

The one with the badgers?


GravatarMena, would you like me to send you the country version of Bananaphone?
==

That would make me feel very special.


GravatarThe one with the badgers?

No, completely different. It uses the song as kind of a jumping-off point...



Ooo, Scary Elevator!

Of DOOM!!!


GravatarHey, hey. No fair! You set me up, didn't you! -whiskeyina

I also enjoy asking people about the spot on their shirts and then flicking their noses. Kids love me.


Gravatari had to laugh at myself a few minutes ago when i asked "i wonder if it means i'm an alcholic if i kill, or almost kill a 12 pack every nite"

Dunno, but chances are it means you're a member of my family.
SteveNS


And mine. My wife is still astounded by how much my siblings and I drink when we get together.


Gravatari had to laugh at myself a few minutes ago when i asked "i wonder if it means i'm an alcholic if i kill, or almost kill a 12 pack every nite"

Dunno, but chances are it means you're a member of my family.
SteveNS


And mine. My wife is still astounded by how much my siblings and I drink when we get together.


GravatarAni is about cross over.


GravatarThat guy did a terrible job of parking...


GravatarI'm the only one watching Boo, aren't I.

Mr. Radley got a raw deal.


GravatarThat would make me feel very special.

Send me your e-mail addy at elicates (at) hotmail.com, and I'll hook ya up.


GravatarAnd mine. My wife is still astounded by how much my siblings and I drink when we get together.
Moe Szyslak


Cousin Moe!


GravatarKids love me.
==

Poke him in the eyeballs, whiskey!


GravatarNOS NIP sheets


GravatarI'm eating another cinnamon roll and none of you can stop me.

NONE OF YOU!


Gravatarbecause he came by for a nooner with my friend while her aunt rhoda was visiting, and he failed to ahem, 'clean up' before donning his undies.

A friend of mine (married) was coming home from a long night entertaining clients at a titty bar.

So he stops at the stop and rob, puts some visine and breath freshner on the counter. The cashier reached over, throws some kleenex next to his stuff, and rings it up.

My budddy says, "I didn't want those kleenex".

The cashier says, "yes, I think you you want them".

So he goes out to his car, looks in the mirror, and he sees he is covered in lipstick.


GravatarPoke him in the eyeballs, whiskey! -mena

[Quickly putting hand up perpendicular to face.]


Gravatar[Quickly putting hand up perpendicular to face.]
JeffCO


Strike a pose, there's nothing to it. Vogue!


GravatarI'm eating another cinnamon roll and none of you can stop me. NONE OF YOU! SteveNS

I'm working on it.


GravatarPoke him in the eyeballs, whiskey! -mena

[Quickly putting hand up perpendicular to face.]
JeffCO | 06.03.06 - 9:19 pm | #


Even though you two are probably upstairs already, we are three fine stooges.


GravatarCousin Moe!
SteveNS


Hey Steve! You've got this rain?


GravatarI'm working on it.
anonymous plaque cell


[shakes fist at chest]


GravatarThe cashier says, "yes, I think you you want them".

So he goes out to his car, looks in the mirror, and he sees he is covered in lipstick.
chris/tx | 06.03.06 - 9:19 pm | #
==

Heehee!


GravatarOops. And SteveNS makes us 4.


GravatarHey Steve! You've got this rain?

Yup. Nice out all week, then the weekend comes, and...


GravatarOops. And SteveNS makes us 4.

D'Artagnan was always the least funny stooge, IMO.


GravatarNot one fraudulent Presidential election before 1960.
jack | 06.03.06 - 6:58 pm | #


was it the 1860 presidential election dispute that the 2000 one was being compared to? the one that had to go to a congressionally formed committee to resolve.


GravatarBourdieu makes this distinction between people who make art (this holds for books, music, paintings, whatever) for the general market and those who make it primarily for other "producers of culture" -- that is, other artists, critics, the "connosseiurs."
Thers

i did not miss mena's meaning which i'm all to aware of. being as i wanted, or hoped to be one that sold to the connosseiurs. i do want to check out that Bourdieu guy if i ever read another book besides bukowski.

who said when asked if he'd rather be rich or an artist? "i'd rather be rich, it seems like the artist is always hanging out on the rich's doorstep"

"got to the door i lost my house key, pick up my book, i read bukowski" of course being a handsome rock god would be the best.


GravatarMy budddy says, "I didn't want those kleenex".

The cashier says, "yes, I think you you want them".

So he goes out to his car, looks in the mirror, and he sees he is covered in lipstick.
chris/tx |


Thanks chris/tx, that one was clear, straightforward, and specific on the identities of all participants. Also sounds like an incident out of my younger and less moral days (aside from the "entertaining clients" part, although depending on exactly how you define "clients"...hmm.)



GravatarD'Artagnan was always the least funny stooge, IMO.

No, you're thinking of the Three Mousketeers. There's Annette, and Cubby, and Britney.


Gravatarinterview with gary hart. he talks about the church committee, investigating illegal domestic spying, cointelpro, forming FISA, cia proxies in news media, how he warned condi about 9/11 and the existing constitutional crisis.

http://www.democracynow.org/arti...6/03/28/ 1431259


Gravatarwas it the 1860 presidential election dispute that the 2000 one was being compared to? the one that had to go to a congressionally formed committee to resolve.
jello


jello, I think you mean the one of 1876, R. B. Hayes vs. Blaine. Marked the end of Reconstruction as part of the deal to throw it to Hayes included pulling the last Union troops out of the former CSA. (Horrible decision needless to say as it marked the final "fuck you" to former slaves.)

1860 was complicated enough, what with four major parties and I don't think any states that had all of them on the ballot (Lincoln/Hamlin weren't on the ticket on any state ballots south of Virginia iirc, and not sure about VA for that matter.) but vote stealing if any was done the old fashioned way rather than in backroom negotiations.


GravatarXan - Another one that always cracks me up was a friend that use to come home late and drunk, and his wife would be waiting in bed to ream his ass.

So I told him to always enter the house very loudly, and then, shout up the stairs, "Big daddy is home, and is ready for some lovin'!!!"

Guaranteed every time that your wife will pretend to be dead asleep and did not hear you coming in.


Gravatarah, thank you xan.


GravatarAre there any Southern voters who find this stereotyping by the right offensive?

They're saying that Southerners are so dumb they don't get stuff like culture, etc.

I'd be pissed off!


Gravatar"Everybody wants to get to heaven but nobody wants to die."

Republicans love the "red and blue" state talk because it divides America and they win. It paints an ominus picture for a Democratic win so reasonable voters just stay home.

Dems just need to stick with what matters: Iraq, deficits, maintaining Social Security, supporting Medicare, making sure government services are there for people when they need them (Katrina), and bringing worldwide respect back to America.

Marriage, abortion, etc. are personal, not political, matters.

People want and need to believe in something bigger than themself. The corrupt media will do everything to kill real leadrship so we must act local to make people believe.

There are no blue or red states. There are only red, white, and blue states in the United States of America.

Tony Knowles for President!


GravatarMarriage, abortion, etc. are personal, not political, matters.



Excuse me?

Abortion is not important????

Sez you!


Gravatartony who?


GravatarI wonder if Mark Warner, former governor of Virginia, would qualify as a Democrat who could win back some of the states of the South.

But how can anyone vote for someone who says that he does not believe that we should withdraw from Iraq by a fixed date "come heck or high water" ?


GravatarAre there any Southern voters who find this stereotyping by the right offensive? - Terry C

I reckon most Southerners find this stereotyping to be offensive.

But who is doing the stereotyping? The media -- that's who! And I reckon that most Southerners, like most Northerners, Westerners, Easterners, Centralers, etc., still think of the media as being somehow liberal. So it still comes off as "liberals" having offensive views of the South rather than conservatives.

Isn't it amazing how much mileage in so many different aspects of political discourse the Republicans have gotten from "playing the refs"?


GravatarEnslaved, Terry C.,

Of course abortion is important, but I think Enslaved has the rhetoric right: whenever the subject of abortion comes up, we say "abortion is a personal matter and the government ought not to be involved". As Atrios puts it, most people think abortions are "icky" and will not vote for candidates who seem to excited about abortion rights. OTOH, it is an important cause and backing down on it will loose us votes besides, as we would correctly be seen as pandering.

One of the paradoxes of modern politics is even though most people agree with us on "social" issues, the more we talk about social issues the worse we do. So our challenge is to, whenever such issues come up, state our point clearly and with conviction and to try to move the subject along to something that really shows the voters that we really do care about the things they care about.

Saying "abortion is a personal decision not a political one, so we should keep the government out of that decision making process" (note I didn't say anything about government not funding abortions!) makes our case clearly, succinctly, forcefully and quickly enough to try and then steer the debate to economic issues.

OTOH, even though people agree with us on abortion and heck, even on gay marriage and the war on terrorism now (in spite of what the media says) -- if we are seen as the party who only cares about "the right of gay married terrorists to have abortions" and not the real challenges facing Joe and Jane Sixpack (like getting decent health care and having enough money to send the kids to college), we won't win elections. For example, we've been protesting in favor of abortion rights -- but where are our marches on Washington for mine workers who are subjected to horrendous working conditions.

It ain't our support of abortion rights that's losing us elections, it's our non-support of workers' rights. Once we start, contra the DLC, taking good, strong economically liberal stands, even social conservatives will forgive us our social liberalism (cf. how the Republicans got the support of the "Reagan Democrats"). OTOH, if we are only seen as the party of "gay married terrorists who want abortions", even those who agree with us on gays, the GWOT and abortion will simply stay home on election day and let the Republicans steal more elections.

I think, therefore, Enslaved is on to something here. State the pro-choice case succinctly, make it about keeping the gummint' out of our personal business and move on to another topic. This will help the pro-choice side not hurt it -- as it makes being pro-choice not about 'icky' abortions but keeping the gummint's mits out of our innerds.


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