the nyc pbs station is playing two movies tonight: paths of glory; and all the president's men; followed by the 30 year retrospective on watergate.
linda |
06.17.06 - 9:06 pm | #
And now, a Happy Father's Day message From President George W. Bush. Link to it on your blogs. This is President Bush at his very most conservatively compassionate.
jurassicpork |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:09 pm | #
well, it is nyc -- infamously home to the elitist, liberal cabal that is out to destroy america. donchaknow...
linda |
06.17.06 - 9:09 pm | #
Here's my answer to "You'd rather Saddam was still in power?" :
The same people said the same things about Qkwuaadddafiiiyy for a decade.
They invent enemies to instill fear and maintain control
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:11 pm | #
linda-
The PBS show "Watergate + 30" is absolutely incredible. Don't miss.
Raoul Paste |
06.17.06 - 9:11 pm | #
Whoops, now move it just a smidge up a bit on the right...
and
PERFECT.
Mow let's get that coffee table in here...
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MisterX |
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06.17.06 - 9:11 pm | #
So far, bad visuals, lame acting, and horrible dialogue.
The same people said the same things about Qkwuaadddafiiiyy for a decade.
They invent enemies to instill fear and maintain control
TTuxedo
And don't we all sleep better knowing that Manuel Noriega is in a Federal prison!
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
Here's my answer to "You'd rather Saddam was still in power?"
and my answer is: 'where the fuck were you in the 1980s when human rights watch and amnesty international were desperately seeking support for their efforts, only to be denounced and undermined by the republican administrations of reagan and bush.'
linda |
06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
is the soundtrack dubbed?
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
Why are there fireworks going off in my town right now?
whiskeyina
"Does that make you a bat-ologist?"
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
"We do not torture," Mr Bush told reporters during a visit to Panama.
then who was the guy with the hood and dick-electrode?
gary in fl |
06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
Up a little on the left there, linda...
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MisterX
Too much.
And I don't think you've got it centered......
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
Here's my answer to "You'd rather Saddam was still in power?" :
Actually, I'd rather Chiang Kai-shek was in power. But that wasn't realistically in the cards.
SteveLG |
06.17.06 - 9:14 pm | #
then who was the guy with the hood and dick-electrode?
gary in fl
Just another of those Skull'n'Bones pranksters.
SteveLG |
06.17.06 - 9:14 pm | #
Why are there fireworks going off in my town right now?
whiskeyina |
Lately here in South Jersey, every borough has it "your borough's name here" Nights in the summer which generally include fireworks.
I hear them somewhere almost every weekend.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:15 pm | #
They're for you!
Surprise!
SteveNS | 06.17.06 - 9:13 pm | #
Yes! I accept your proposal!
whiskeyina |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:15 pm | #
To the Hague with them.
Faith Hill's Secret LoveMuffin |
06.17.06 - 9:15 pm | #
I think Dads like fireworks
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:16 pm | #
And I don't think you've got it centered......
flory
And you know, now that I look at it, it just really doesn't go with the light blue background...
*sigh*
Let's just leave it there and think about it tomorrow. I'm tired of decorating these threads... I'm gonna grab a beer.
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MisterX |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:17 pm | #
I thought that was a proposition rather than a proposal, but I may not be paying close enough attention.
SteveLG |
06.17.06 - 9:17 pm | #
"I'm not going to destroy them!"
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:18 pm | #
raoul -- yeah, i happened to catch a part of it on a previous showing and was very impressed. gawd, if only journalism was still an honorable profession in washington.
linda |
06.17.06 - 9:18 pm | #
oh well flying foxes...if they were flying rats that would be different
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:19 pm | #
I thought that was a proposition rather than a proposal, but I may not be paying close enough attention.
SteveLG
I'm not making a distinction anymore.
SteveNS |
06.17.06 - 9:19 pm | #
And don't we all sleep better knowing that Manuel Noriega is in a Federal prison!
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Agent Orange
And Grenada is liberated from... Well, I never got that part, but I know we liberated Grenada. Clint Eastwood made a documentary of it. Or was that Jack Nicholson...?
DemByDefault |
06.17.06 - 9:19 pm | #
And Grenada is liberated
Hey, we saved those students. Those Cubans had shovels!
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:20 pm | #
"...and so with gods and men, the sheep remain inside their pen, until the shepard leads his flock away..."
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:22 pm | #
and my answer is: 'where the fuck were you in the 1980s when human rights watch and amnesty international were desperately seeking support for their efforts, only to be denounced and undermined by the republican administrations of reagan and bush.'
I don't know about Manuel Noriega, but I sure rest easy knowing that, as we speak, Ronald Reagan is in hell smoking Satan's cock...
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MisterX |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:23 pm | #
"Why are there fireworks going off in my town right now?"
Are you sure the bangs you are hearing are fireworks?
It could be gunshots.
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 9:24 pm | #
grenada liberated reagan from a pr nightmare over the marine bombing.
pretzelattack
It's my understanding that some in the Corps were in both places...
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MisterX |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:24 pm | #
Re Grenada and Lebanon -- read Richard Gabriel, who proves a devastating thesis that we actually lost every conflict after WWII because regardless of who "wins," a war poorly fought should count as a loss for everyone but a guerilla.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:24 pm | #
Sallyh, Are you doing better or do we have to get out the bungee cords again?
I don't know about Manuel Noriega, but I sure rest easy knowing that, as we speak, Ronald Reagan is in hell smoking Satan's cock...
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MisterX
I actually like the prospect of Ronald Reagan's image being placed on some US currency bill. The idea of endlessly defacing every one I get with bright red cheeks and a Bozo nose sounds like fun.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:25 pm | #
Here's my answer to "You'd rather Saddam was still in power?"
I actually like the prospect of Ronald Reagan's image being placed on some US currency bill. The idea of endlessly defacing every one I get with bright red cheeks and a Bozo nose sounds like fun.
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Agent Orange
I hadn't thought of that! we'll have to lobby to make sure it's a bill and not a coin.
And Grenada is liberated from... Well, I never got that part, but I know we liberated Grenada.
man, i don't know if you're old enough to actually remember when that happened (i marked it by getting fired from now for union organizing -- lol); anyway back on point -- i so remember hysterical medical students being 'rescued' and someone actually kissing the ground when back on u.s. soil. such a friggin p.r./black ops stunt. probably one of the first really successful ones run by the repubs on the american people.
linda |
06.17.06 - 9:28 pm | #
Red nail polish will work on a coin, though not permanent.
It will work long enough.
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
It's my understanding that some in the Corps were in both places...
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MisterX | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 9:24 pm |
One of our instructors was; he mentioned, among other things, doffing rank insignia so the people they were attacking wouldn't be able to choose good targets. Typical, archetpal martial gripe-boast about just getting away from the sand hole and being snatched away from pussy and beer so they can secure a god-damned airport in the Mediterranean.
And needless to say, not one private said anything about how fortuitous it was that such an easy target popped up as soon as we had our asses handed to us.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
oohhh just watched the barred owl swoop down & catch a ground squirrel.
I hadn't thought of that! we'll have to lobby to make sure it's a bill and not a coin.
I'd settle for a wooden nickel
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
And the frightening thing is Reagan was a better president than the current one.
Ronald Reagan was the photogenic opportunist Dick Nixon always prayed to be.
But he started from poor, like former President Clinton, and 10 to the 18th power unlike George W. Bush.
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
I actually like the prospect of Ronald Reagan's image being placed on some US currency bill. The idea of endlessly defacing every one I get with bright red cheeks and a Bozo nose sounds like fun.
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Agent Orange
Brother, can you spare a Reagan?
I'd like to add to my dartboard collection... I already have a Nixon.
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MisterX |
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06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
grenada liberated reagan from a pr nightmare over the marine bombing.
pretzelattack
Perhaps the one bit of good that will come out of Iraq is that the American people, for the next generation or two at least, will wise up the the Republican tendency to start a war everytime things are looking a little tough for them.
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
And the frightening thing is Reagan was a better president than the current one.
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spork_incident | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 9:26 pm
Sad, but true. Growing up in the 80's I thought no one could be worse than Ronnie. Oh, I was so wrong!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
"My mama used to say, there was blood on the moon, someone was gonna get killed."
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
And the frightening thing is Reagan was a better president than the current one.
hmmm. luckier, maybe.
No, better. But only because it would be almost impossible to be worse.
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
And the frightening thing is Reagan was a better president than the current one.
Was it the Discovery Channel (?) about a year ago that rated Reagan the 'Greatest American' ever?
It's why I don't own a TV.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
Perhaps the one bit of good that will come out of Iraq is that the American people, for the next generation or two at least, will wise up the the Republican tendency to start a war everytime things are looking a little tough for them.
Sure they will.
Ooo, look! A shiny thing!
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:30 pm | #
the Army, the Navy, the Air Force&Marines. all contributed to the defeat of the grenadian menace.
gary in fl |
06.17.06 - 9:30 pm | #
I think Dads like fireworks
TTuxedo
Dads like steak. Also roasts. Haunches of things. Ribs. Sides.
Was it the Discovery Channel (?) about a year ago that rated Reagan the 'Greatest American' ever?
It's why I don't own a TV.
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Agent Orange | 06.17.06 - 9:29 pm |
Canadian TV isn't bad when it isn't delving into the same rightist lying crap (how we got Harper). Mexican TV is slimily delicious. American TV is astonishingly bad when you consider this is supposed to be the land of entertainment.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:31 pm | #
oohhh just watched the barred owl swoop down & catch a ground squirrel.
Colbert (RT): Now, I understand how important it is to keep our country safe from terrorists Stephen and no one believes in locking up the bad guys more than I do. But holding men without trial, isn't that un-American?
Colbert (BT): Evidently not...
Colbert (RT): Well, isn't America supposed to be the number one defender of human rights? These men are being kept under terrible conditions...
Colbert (BT): Terrible conditions? Gitmo's in the Carribean! It's like Club Med!
Colbert (RT): Where you're kept in a tiny cell, you're told what to do all day, and if you don't eat your're force fed!
Colbert (BT): Ok, it's more like a cruise ship...
PoliShifter |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
You know I disconnected, and switched the the Satellite TV account to my house in AZ, a couple of months ago, and about the only thing I'm missing is some of the movies which if I want I can rent, and the Sci-Fi channel. I do think the Sci-Fi channel is actually funnier when just reading the live blogging here. When I watch it, I wonder sometimes what all the giggling is about. Some people must have a higher grade of dental floss than me.
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
oohhh just watched the barred owl swoop down & catch a ground squirrel.
Very cool! Nature red in tooth and claw.
Karin |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
the Army, the Navy, the Air Force&Marines. all contributed to the defeat of the grenadian menace.
gary in fl | 06.17.06 - 9:30 pm
That was part of the worst of it; as Dan Gabriel explains (and also points up in the Iranian mess), there were these colossal errors that came out of the lack of a centralized general staff and well-intentioned GI Joe eclecticism nonsense.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
Was it the Discovery Channel (?) about a year ago that rated Reagan the 'Greatest American' ever?
Perhaps it was because he did us all such a big favor by finally croaking
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
Man, this is some brilliant camera work right here.
You can almost tell what's going on.
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
Saying there's too many bats is like saying there's too many flowers.
Eli |
My neighbor's barn has hundreds of bats that leave every night at dusk. I can get you a good deal on bat guano...jusy bring your own shovel.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:33 pm | #
And needless to say, not one private said anything about how fortuitous it was that such an easy target popped up as soon as we had our asses handed to us.
k&y
My buddy "Slick" said he wasn't even issued ammo guarding the airfield in Lebanon... not sure why that would be, but he's not a liar... and Grenada was a useless clusterfuck exercise, meant only for PR. With USMC lives as pawns...
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MisterX |
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06.17.06 - 9:34 pm | #
I have an email from someone named Fay McCauley. The subject header is "Ten Billion Dollars".
Dads like steak. Also roasts. Haunches of things. Ribs. Sides.
Or at least that was my experience. Also whiskey.
Hey. I'm doin' okay! As a single mom, I play both parts, and I like all those things, too! Now, if only my kids were old enough to get them for me...
whiskeyina |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:36 pm | #
the Army, the Navy, the Air Force&Marines. all contributed to the defeat of the grenadian menace.
gary in fl
Please explain in plain English, what the menace was.
They used... sarcasm.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:36 pm | #
And the frightening thing is Reagan was a better president than the current one.
hmmm. luckier, maybe.
No, better. But only because it would be almost impossible to be worse.
Eli | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 9:29 pm | #
As pointed out earlier, he was more pragmatic than Bush has been.
Frances FitzGerald points out in Way Out There In the Blue that Reagan was the one who believed in Gorbachev, while his advisors and cab. secs thought Gorby was faking everything.
Some of that may have been Reagan's 'sunny optimism' but that's something that not even The Shrubbery has.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
06.17.06 - 9:36 pm | #
Colonel Batguano!
The brave protector of the Coca Cola Company
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:36 pm | #
i think Reagan was saved from his worst excesses by Gorbachev. i really dont know who is going to be responsible for more deaths in the long run--it is difficult to separate Reagan's responsibility from Bush's because they are both part of the same conservative effort to transform american society--Reagan set the stage and helped build the foundation for Bush, and both are creatures of the same influences. Reagan was more competent at stagecraft and dealing with people, which is both better and worse. i really tend to think reagan was more destructive in the long run because he was more competent in public.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:36 pm | #
Sounds legit to me.
Eli
I could retire early......
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:36 pm | #
Colonel Batguano!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Yer gonna hafta answer to the Coca- Cola Company!
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 9:37 pm | #
Flory--don't forget who makes you cookies
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:37 pm | #
Some of that may have been Reagan's 'sunny optimism' but that's something that not even The Shrubbery has.
"Trust but verify" might have been a good idea for Dubya...
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:37 pm | #
Sounds legit to me.
Eli |
The $10B check I got from her just cleared last week...I'm off to Rio!
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:37 pm | #
MisterX | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 9:34 pm |
That is absolutely true. The sentry at that death trap was not allowed to load his weapon as some vague lawyery international law thing (in reaction to that incident, all guards in that kind of situation have ammo now). Another thing that came out of the Lebanon thing is, a Naval committee foresaw the fundamentals of what would become the Cole bombing -- the ease with which a small dinghy loaded with explosives could damage even a large ship, really the same strategy as was used ni the kamikaze truck in Lebanon -- but totally shelved it all as soon as they left.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:38 pm | #
OT: Speaking of Harper's, when I got home today from the grind (heh), the only thing in my mailbox was the newest issue of Harper's... no bills, no bullshit, no crap.
That's a good day.
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MisterX |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:38 pm | #
i think Reagan was saved from his worst excesses by Gorbachev. i really dont know who is going to be responsible for more deaths in the long run--it is difficult to separate Reagan's responsibility from Bush's because they are both part of the same conservative effort to transform american society--Reagan set the stage and helped build the foundation for Bush, and both are creatures of the same influences. Reagan was more competent at stagecraft and dealing with people, which is both better and worse. i really tend to think reagan was more destructive in the long run because he was more competent in public.
If Dubya had been president, he would have said, "Hey, Soviet Union's about to go down - let's finish the job and take all the credit for it! We'll be HEROES!"
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:38 pm | #
"Was it the Discovery Channel (?) about a year ago that rated Reagan the 'Greatest American' ever?"
Actually, MLK was the greatest American of the 20th century.
mike in pr |
06.17.06 - 9:39 pm | #
I think Dads like fireworks
TTuxedo
Dads like steak. Also roasts. Haunches of things. Ribs. Sides.
Or at least that was my experience. Also whiskey.
Dads like naps.
I'm letting the kids watch Anchorman instead of Sci-Fi-ing to-nite.
That is called "parenting."
Thers, Mighty |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:39 pm | #
As pointed out earlier, he was more pragmatic than Bush has been.
He also recognized that the Laffer curve was mostly horsehit and ended up raising taxes 6 times rather than refusing to admit he was wrong and destroying the economy.
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:39 pm | #
I have an email from someone named Fay McCauley. The subject header is "Ten Billion Dollars".
**If you're easily offended read no further**
Last week I got a spam with the header, "Drown Yourself in a Sea of Sperm".
Actually, MLK was the greatest American of the 20th century.
Yeah, and Sam Gompers.
Thers, Mighty |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:40 pm | #
Red nail polish will work on a coin, though not permanent.
SteveNS
I have access to an eletroplater.
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 9:40 pm | #
the Army, the Navy, the Air Force&Marines. all contributed to the defeat of the grenadian menace.
gary in fl
How can you trust a nation that named itself after an easily thrown, hand held explosive device with a kill radius of 10 meters? Really.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:40 pm | #
Actually, MLK was the greatest American of the 20th century.
mike in pr | 06.17.06 - 9:39 pm |
Daniel Ellsberg. We'll settle for greatest living. The assassinated brothers Kennedy would be on the short list too.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:40 pm | #
Flory--don't forget who makes you cookies
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
All good* Atriots will share in the joy....
*I get to define who's a "good" Atriot.
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:41 pm | #
all contributed to the defeat of the grenadian menace.
And the world's nutmeg supply was safeguarded for freedom.
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 9:41 pm | #
I'm letting the kids watch Anchorman
Oh, crap! I thought my effort to eradicate the planet from the world's worst movie ever produced had met with success.
So if the coin had a image "mask", you could plate it with copper to make raygun look like a clown.
Seems like a lot of work.
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 9:41 pm | #
no dubyy never attacks strong foes. really, the reagan that believed in Gorbachev, to the extent he did, was the reagan that believed in astrology, or in star wars-he thought all he had to do was show gorbachev some shopping malls and that would do it. if this chance the gardener idiocy qualifies as sunny optimism in retrospect, it it testimony to the effectiveness of Reagan's hagiographers.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:42 pm | #
I'm letting the kids watch Anchorman instead of Sci-Fi-ing to-nite.
I was lukewarm on that movie. There were plenty of funny parts (Carell steals the show as usual), but it seemed like there were quite a few missed opportunities for even more funny.
Regardless, "It smells like Bigfoot's dick!" is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
SteveNS |
06.17.06 - 9:42 pm | #
I have access to an eletroplater.
JR, kerosene and a match
So some push-ups Paboo, maybe it'll go away.
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:42 pm | #
Last week I got a spam with the header, "Drown Yourself in a Sea of Sperm".
Perhaps the one bit of good that will come out of Iraq is that the American people, for the next generation or two at least
our exit from iraq is going to look and result in what happened to the former soviet union -- economic bankruptcy, the military seriously degraded, the 'homeland' infrastructure degraded and no money to repair and the total gutting of federal/state social services. and then let's just throw in the likelihood of a couple of additional major cities being lost, i.e., new orleans, due to catastrophic circumstances.
linda |
06.17.06 - 9:44 pm | #
Last week I got a spam with the header, "Drown Yourself in a Sea of Sperm".
Feel yourself a Superman with Biagra.
And there was a really good one about Clinton which we forget.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:44 pm | #
flory sez:
*I get to define who's a "good" Atriot.
Am I a good Atriot? I provide pictures of Linda Fiorentino. That must count for something.
Got this email today, "How to handle a neighbour with an attitude!", with this picture attached:
That is a thing of beauty. Which neighbor is the one with attitude?
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:44 pm | #
i dont think reagan ever gave up on tax cuts, he just got pressured by some of the realists in his party to temporarily retreat and raise taxes. he may have even believed he was cutting taxes--he did not have a very good grasp of reality.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:44 pm | #
That is absolutely true. The sentry at that death trap was not allowed to load his weapon as some vague lawyery international law thing (in reaction to that incident, all guards in that kind of situation have ammo now). k&y
Yeah, that's what he said... and he was there. He was not happy when Big Dick Reagan pulled them out after that murderous incident... he felt they should have been pulled out long before that...
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MisterX |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:45 pm | #
The fall of the Soyuz was accelerated by corruption from war profiteers destroying the economy. This is remarkably similar to what is happening here.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:45 pm | #
i dont think reagan ever gave up on tax cuts, he just got pressured by some of the realists in his party ...
Or his astrologer told him not to cut.
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 9:46 pm | #
i dont think reagan ever gave up on tax cuts, he just got pressured by some of the realists in his party ...
Or his astrologer told him not to cut.
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 9:46 pm | #
no dubyy never attacks strong foes. really, the reagan that believed in Gorbachev, to the extent he did, was the reagan that believed in astrology, or in star wars-he thought all he had to do was show gorbachev some shopping malls and that would do it. if this chance the gardener idiocy qualifies as sunny optimism in retrospect, it it testimony to the effectiveness of Reagan's hagiographers.
pretzelattack
All the explanations of how we destroyed the Soviet Union by outspending them and using our scientific and industrial might to overwhem them into submission will be perfectly relevant in 40 years when China does the same to the US.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:46 pm | #
That is a thing of beauty. Which neighbor is the one with attitude?
I would guess a little of both (neighbors).
chris/tx |
06.17.06 - 9:46 pm | #
That is a thing of beauty. Which neighbor is the one with attitude?
Eli
I think that plant species grows that way naturally.
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 9:47 pm | #
MisterX | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 9:45 pm |
Dan Gabriel talks about all the smaller disasters leading up to the bombing, and seriously, even if there hadn't been a bombing, the whole thing would've been an extremely shameful mark on our national record. It was a disaster from start to finish.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:47 pm | #
All the explanations of how we destroyed the Soviet Union by outspending them and using our scientific and industrial might to overwhem them into submission will be perfectly relevant in 40 years when China does the same to the US.
I was always amused by the explanation that Reagan cleverly *pretended* to believe in Star Wars to trick the Russkies into spending themselves to death.
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:47 pm | #
our exit from iraq is going to look and result in what happened to the former soviet union -- economic bankruptcy, the military seriously degraded, the 'homeland' infrastructure degraded and no money to repair and the total gutting of federal/state social services
Depends when it happens. If we can pull out in the next few years, the economic consequences will look more like the post-Vietnam 70's than post Gorbachev Russia.
If we end up with another Thuglican preznit?
Who the fuck knows.
But our national security will not be any better in either case.
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:47 pm | #
Those are some bigass bats right there.
Eli |
Homepage |
06.17.06 - 9:48 pm | #
Agent Orange | 06.17.06 - 9:46 pm |
We didn't do it by outspending them, we did it by corrupting them.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:48 pm | #
spork -- you're definitely a 'good' Atriot. You will share in the good fortune.
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:48 pm | #
Bat Masterson
Wasn't he a cowboy
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:48 pm | #
Or his astrologer told him not to cut.
JR, kerosene and a match | 06.17.06 - 9:46 pm | #
could be. the way i remember, Nancy kind of filtered the astrologer's advice. i dont know how specific it was about policies (The Stars demand an invasion of Grenada! It is Written!!)
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:49 pm | #
All the explanations of how we destroyed the Soviet Union by outspending them and using our scientific and industrial might to overwhem them into submission will be perfectly relevant in 40 years when China does the same to the US.
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Agent Orange
Damn!
You're on a roll today, Agent Orange.
Although I think your time line is a bit too long.
Diane |
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06.17.06 - 9:49 pm | #
I actually like the prospect of Ronald Reagan's image being placed on some US currency bill. The idea of endlessly defacing every one I get with bright red cheeks and a Bozo nose sounds like fun.
Actually, Reagan will be memoralized on Mt. Rushmore. Not carved in stone--too old century--, but on a giant video screen playing an endless loop of his head-jerk speeches.
Farmer John |
06.17.06 - 9:50 pm | #
Thers, Sam Gompers doesn't even have a holiday named after him.
mike in pr |
06.17.06 - 9:50 pm | #
I have a friend who was in the "Grenada War?" She said she was sent out to find a sergeant's missing head. She found it all swollen up still strapped inside the helmet. Kinda a gross antedote but since we're discussing Grenada....
Ô¿Ô |
06.17.06 - 9:50 pm | #
All the explanations of how we destroyed the Soviet Union by outspending them and using our scientific and industrial might to overwhem them into submission will be perfectly relevant in 40 years when China does the same to the US.
All China has to do is develop sufficient market presence outside the US that it's not dependent on exports to the US to keep its economy growing and then start dumping US debt.
We would be beyond fucked.
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:51 pm | #
Ô¿Ô | 06.17.06 - 9:50 pm |
Does she know how that happened?
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:51 pm | #
could be. the way i remember, Nancy kind of filtered the astrologer's advice. i dont know how specific it was about policies (The Stars demand an invasion of Grenada! It is Written!!)
I'm sure the astrologer was not that specific.
"You will invade a tiny, insignificant country to make yourself look strong."
See, that could mean *anything*.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:51 pm | #
I'll give Reagan this: His advisors (see: Wolfowitz, Paul and Perle, Richard) told him to ignore - be hostile towards - Gorbachev. Reagan didn't follow their advice.
How big are they?
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:52 pm | #
We didn't do it by outspending them, we did it by corrupting them.
k&y |
And Gorbachev and Shevernadze were somewhat relevant to the demise of the Soviet Union.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 9:52 pm | #
in 1989, our B-1 stealth bombers overcame the panamanian defences, and smashed the panamanian menace.
gary in fl |
06.17.06 - 9:52 pm | #
How big are they?
At least as big as my ass.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:53 pm | #
All China has to do is develop sufficient market presence outside the US that it's not dependent on exports to the US to keep its economy growing and then start dumping US debt.
We would be beyond fucked.
flory
Which it currently is working on in South America.
Diane |
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06.17.06 - 9:53 pm | #
We would be beyond fucked.
flory | 06.17.06 - 9:51 pm |
And the thing that would really fuck us is, all our elites are inheritors, not a single entrepreneur. Nobody is interested in saving the place, they just want to grab what they can and get out.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:53 pm | #
I'll give Reagan this: His advisors (see: Wolfowitz, Paul and Perle, Richard) told him to ignore - be hostile towards - Gorbachev. Reagan didn't follow their advice.
Didn't they succeed in gutting the nuke disarmament, worked out verbally between raygun and Gorby?
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 9:53 pm | #
in 1989, our B-1 stealth bombers overcame the panamanian defences, and smashed the panamanian menace.
I read this as "pomeranian", which kinda made me smile...
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:53 pm | #
o dubyy never attacks strong foes. really, the reagan that believed in Gorbachev, to the extent he did, was the reagan that believed in astrology, or in star wars-he thought all he had to do was show gorbachev some shopping malls and that would do it. if this chance the gardener idiocy qualifies as sunny optimism in retrospect, it it testimony to the effectiveness of Reagan's hagiographers.
pretzelattack | 06.17.06 - 9:42 pm
Frances FitzGerald isn't a hagiographer, so it was interesting coming from her. It's a interesting book, not just about the Star Wars crap, but about the neocons. Some of the 'undead' from the Reagan era did indeed come back.
I agree that the same forces that brought us Reagan have brought us Bush II. 'Cept Bush II is more of a true believer.
"Trust but verify" might have been a good idea for Dubya...
Eli | Homepage | 06.17.06 - 9:37 pm | #
China's trade with Africa is exploding. Africans are spurning English classes to learn Mandarin. African hotels are now decorated with sometimes comical attempts at Chinese motifs.
k&y |
06.17.06 - 9:54 pm | #
Is that big?
'Bout average for an ass, but big for a bat.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:54 pm | #
did i mention damien hirst sucks?
well, i did down below, but obviously i've been left behind...
tim la hayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
fuck damien, who i used to like, but now i don't. once you "make it" you can get away with anything.
charley |
06.17.06 - 9:55 pm | #
Rather, she didn't say whether it was hostile fire or an accident.
Ô¿Ô |
06.17.06 - 9:55 pm | #
Dads like naps.
hear hear. fuck brunch. let me sleep until noon.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 9:56 pm | #
Some people just don't know how to handle a massive bat attack.
Doesn't *anyone* have any duct tape?
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:56 pm | #
and smashed the panamanian menace.
And safeguarded the world's straw hat supply for freedom.
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 9:56 pm | #
I was gearing up for a series of "they were so big" jokes.
TTuxedo |
06.17.06 - 9:56 pm | #
Dan Gabriel talks about all the smaller disasters leading up to the bombing, and seriously, even if there hadn't been a bombing, the whole thing would've been an extremely shameful mark on our national record. It was a disaster from start to finish.
k&y
Hmmmmm... I'll have to look for that book. My buddy only opened up and talked about things in the last year or so about his experiences there and in Grenada and other places... the boy's seen a lot of shit and still has a lot of trouble with it... he was Marine Recon and did some bad stuff... all part of being the sharp point of "Sunny" Ronald Reagan's foreign policy...
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MisterX |
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06.17.06 - 9:56 pm | #
All China has to do is develop sufficient market presence outside the US that it's not dependent on exports to the US to keep its economy growing and then start dumping US debt.
We would be beyond fucked.
The Chinese know this: knee-capping the US economy would sink the entire planet.
Look, I've found in my 46 years that you *have* to trust the judgement of people whose eyebrows you can see inside of their glasses lenses.
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 9:57 pm | #
African hotels are now decorated with sometimes comical attempts at Chinese motifs.
k&y
Art Collection in the making.
footloose |
06.17.06 - 9:57 pm | #
I was gearing up for a series of "they were so big" jokes.
They're so big, that when they bite through a carotid artery, they bit *through* a carotid artery.
I'll come in again.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:57 pm | #
I read this as "pomeranian", which kinda made me smile...
Eli
The Pomeranian menace is still with us.
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 9:57 pm | #
in 1989, our B-1 stealth bombers overcame the panamanian defences, and smashed the panamanian menace.
[some idiot]
I read this as "pomeranian", which kinda made me smile...
Eli
All China has to do is develop sufficient market presence outside the US that it's not dependent on exports to the US to keep its economy growing and then start dumping US debt.
god, we really need to start building shit again. i wonder if it's even possible to rebuild the manufacturing base in this country.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 9:58 pm | #
Look, I've found in my 46 years that you *have* to trust the judgement of people whose eyebrows you can see inside of their glasses lenses.
Yet another smug little Republican fucker whose so-called guts I hate.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 9:58 pm | #
Now don't we all feel nice and warm and fuzzy?
flory |
06.17.06 - 9:59 pm | #
whose so-called guts I hate.
Eli
You and me both, bro.
Ô¿Ô |
06.17.06 - 9:59 pm | #
it seems like too many of the Chinese elite are profiting from business relationships with the US to want to sink it's economy anytime soon.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 9:59 pm | #
Dude, people are getting *body-checked* by bats.
They're almost as evil as Haloscan.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:00 pm | #
ooh...Carolina's picking up some wind.
footloose |
06.17.06 - 10:00 pm | #
I *knew* it!
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:00 pm | #
Dude, people are getting *body-checked* by bats.
If they show up at the airport watch out for 'Bats on Planes'!
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:01 pm | #
Many owners feel the need to counter the Pomeranian menace with B-1 bombers, when the simple projection of calm assertive energy is sufficient to bring the menace to a state of calm submission.
Cesar |
06.17.06 - 10:01 pm | #
i never trusted Pomeranians cause they hide their eyes.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:01 pm | #
Eli, your ass is a meter wide?
Only with its wings fully extended.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:01 pm | #
The Chinese know this: knee-capping the US economy would sink the entire planet.
It's that thin thread that protects us.
At the moment. But as the US spends itself into eternal debt and the dollar continues to rise, shutting off the never ending US consumer vacuum, we will become less and less important to the world economy.
"sink" -- the dollar continues to sink, not rise.
flory |
06.17.06 - 10:03 pm | #
Eli, your ass is a meter wide?
Hey, when did we go all metric and shit?
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 10:03 pm | #
Look, I've found in my 46 years that you *have* to trust the judgement of people whose eyebrows you can see inside of their glasses lenses.
Max Planck | 06.17.06 - 9:57 pm | #
Agh! My eyes! My eyes!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
06.17.06 - 10:03 pm | #
My eyebrows hang over the tops of my glasses.
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 10:03 pm | #
"Who's a good devil dog now? Eee-yeessssss....who's a good devil dog?!"
[What a testament to happy odd surprises on the internets that an image Google for "evil pomeranian" actually got a result. I also found this.]
Uncle Smokes |
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06.17.06 - 10:05 pm | #
Eli, your ass is a meter wide?
Hey, when did we go all metric and shit?
Calm down. If we went metric we'd be spelling it "metre".
"It's that thin thread that protects us."
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--spork_incident
When the American people no longer have the extra cash to spend on Chinese trinkets, the Chinese won't think twice about snipping the thread.
mer |
06.17.06 - 10:07 pm | #
Thers:
Hot sex? Wouldn't ducks have cool sex -- all that pond water?
flory |
06.17.06 - 10:07 pm | #
does anyone remember how we justified the invasion of sleepy grenada?
gary in fl
Some American medical students in Grenada were alleged to being threatened by the pro Castro government.
I ask you, would you go to a physician who you knew got their MD (DO) from Grenada U?
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:09 pm | #
you mean?
Painful coccyx bone. Jean. I am a 45 year old female. Since November 2001 I had terrible pain in my butt, a gooper, I have not had a fall, it just came on by itself. ...
www.coccyx.org/personal/2002/jean.htm
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06.17.06 - 10:13 pm | #
The bonar unit is located on the opposite side.
Eli
Just above the scubam.....
flory | 06.17.06 - 10:12 pm |
oh sure throw around all these nautical references. ahoy.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:13 pm | #
Reagan was as evil as Bush, the only difference being, evil wasn't as entrenched and accepted in the '80's as it is now.
Peace,
Bobby St. Chomsky |
06.17.06 - 10:15 pm | #
Bonar? Isn't that what Bostonians call the singer in U2?
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:16 pm | #
I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months. It was awlful. His name was Phee.
mer |
06.17.06 - 10:16 pm | #
Heh. Eli said "bonar"
Dont talk about Beohner that way.
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06.17.06 - 10:17 pm | #
who in their right mind would mention duck sex witth me around?
I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months. It was awlful. His name was Phee.
mer | 06.17.06 - 10:16 pm | #
ducks are so ungrateful
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:17 pm | #
"I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months. It was awlful. His name was Phee."
Duck poop,
in the duck soup
Manx bros |
06.17.06 - 10:17 pm | #
Reagan was as evil as Bush, the only difference being, evil wasn't as entrenched and accepted in the '80's as it is now.
Eight years of Ronald Reagan was a dress rehearsal for the George Bush administration. They now have it 'right'.
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:18 pm | #
Reagan bankrupted us and left the mess for Bush the elder to suffer.
Following Reagan's spendthrift eight years we got a real estate collapse and the RTC, which this amnesiatic country doesn't even have a vague memory of now.
Obviously, this and Perot got us Clinton and eight healthy years.
When will people ever, ever learn?
Pitchforks & Torches |
06.17.06 - 10:18 pm | #
Evening, 'bats.
Just got back from my Saturday night dinner with my daughter.
Hard walking out of an air-conditioned restaurant back into this heat.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:18 pm | #
Hot sex? Wouldn't ducks have cool sex -- all that pond water?
flory
Cold duck sex
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 10:18 pm | #
Hot sex? Wouldn't ducks have cool sex -- all that pond water?
flory
Cold duck sex
JR, kerosene and a match |
06.17.06 - 10:18 pm | #
DuckRam! DuckRam! said the professor.
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06.17.06 - 10:18 pm | #
The children are excited -- well, the 4-month-old doesn't really care, frankly; he is very selfish.
(He is wise beyond his months.)
How exciting!
pie |
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06.17.06 - 10:19 pm | #
I actually let a duck live in my kitchen
I actually let a bonar live in my pants for thirty-five years...
Toadstool |
06.17.06 - 10:19 pm | #
Reagan was as evil as Bush, the only difference being, evil wasn't as entrenched and accepted in the '80's as it is now.
reagan also seemed to give a shit about actually running the country as well - rotten as he was, he never would have let things become as unstable as they have. and at least when was looking for a nice little country to knock over as a p.r move, he picked one that we could actually knock over.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 10:19 pm | #
Obviously, this and Perot got us Clinton and eight healthy years.
When will people ever, ever learn?
Pitchforks & Torches
They couldn't stand peace and prosperity, apparently.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:19 pm | #
I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months.
Fucker made himself scarce around Christmas, I'll bet.
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 10:19 pm | #
What is the Bonar Law?
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 10:19 pm | #
reagan also seemed to give a shit about actually running the country as well - rotten as he was, he never would have let things become as unstable as they have. and at least when was looking for a nice little country to knock over as a p.r move, he picked one that we could actually knock over.
dan mcenroe
Actually, I think Nancy ran the country in St. Ronald of the Monster Deficit's second term.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:20 pm | #
I thought it was to determine if the a in Grenada was long or short.
Grenaida, Grenahda,potato, patato, lets call the whole thing off.
Karin |
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06.17.06 - 10:20 pm | #
I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months. It was awlful. His name was Phee.
How did you know what his name was, did he have, like, business cards or something? Or was he like that AFLAC talking duck?
chris/tx |
06.17.06 - 10:20 pm | #
The male Argentine Lake Duck and his 42.5 cm penis (Pic: K. McCracken/Nature)
man that was sick
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06.17.06 - 10:20 pm | #
for some reason, before tonight, i had never considered duck penises.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:20 pm | #
"I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months. It was awlful. His name was Phee."
An episode of the Dick Van Dyke Show just came into my mind.
Don't ask me why!
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:21 pm | #
My honours and PhD research was carried out under the supervision of Andrew Cockburn, teasing out aspects of the bizarre mating system of superb fairy-wrens
I actually let a duck live in my kitchen for about five months.
Well, this one is in the strawberry patch. Looks like we're going to have lots of strawberries this year, too.
Do ducks eat strawberries? I suppose hey do. I always thought they lived on mongooses, tho.
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 10:21 pm | #
What is the Bonar Law?
If it lasts over four hours, call your doctor.
Toadstool |
06.17.06 - 10:22 pm | #
when was he looking for a nice little country to knock over as a p.r move, he picked one that we could actually knock over.
dan mcenroe
Well, let's not forget all those soldiers killed in Beirut.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:22 pm | #
wow. i just checked out a duck's equipment.
was i just peeking duck?
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 10:22 pm | #
who in their right mind would mention duck sex witth me around?
"Dr McCracken and colleagues speculate that the giant penis may be an example of 'runaway' sexual selection, where female preference drives male anatomy to ever-greater extremes, as in the peacock's tail."
So McCracken is blaming women, essentially, for his NOT having a humongous 9x8.
Pitchforks & Torches |
06.17.06 - 10:23 pm | #
An episode of the Dick Van Dyke Show just came into my mind.
Don't ask me why!
Terry C, Politikal Girl | 06.17.06 - 10:21 pm | #
the one about Duck Van Dyke (ducks)
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:23 pm | #
reagan also seemed to give a shit about actually running the country as well - rotten as he was, he never would have let things become as unstable as they have. and at least when was looking for a nice little country to knock over as a p.r move, he picked one that we could actually knock over.
dan mcenroe
Reagan at least was an adult. Do you doubt that Bush's handlers always put first on the list of possible options what they want him to decide - and he always picks the top choice.
Deciding is hard work...for an adult, less for a mascot!
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:23 pm | #
Phee lived in a big cardboard box. He was really quite beautiful--white, regal, but he did poop a whole lot. My daughter's boyfriend at the time, gave her this little duckling. He grew up. I finally found a really nice duck pond to take him to live.
mer |
06.17.06 - 10:23 pm | #
Dr McCracken and colleagues speculate that the giant penis may be an example of 'runaway' sexual selection, where female preference drives male anatomy to ever-greater extremes, as in the peacock's tail."
couldn't he have just bought a hummer?
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 10:24 pm | #
What is the Bonar Law?
If it lasts over four hours, call your doctor.
Or just go see Alice.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:24 pm | #
Do ducks do it "ducky style"?
Toadstool |
06.17.06 - 10:25 pm | #
He was really quite beautiful--white, regal, but he did poop a whole lot.
Describes a lot of people I know.
chris/tx |
06.17.06 - 10:25 pm | #
for some reason, before tonight, i had never considered duck penises.
pretzelattack
I call it the Oh No bird,
six inch legs, 19 inch penis, what goes through it's mind every time in goes in for a landing?
1watt Hermit |
06.17.06 - 10:25 pm | #
I ask you, would you go to a physician who you knew got their MD (DO) from Grenada U?
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Agent Orange
Nope.
And I wouldn't hire anyone who with "degrees" from either Bob Jones or Liberty University.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:25 pm | #
Down at my dock, the ducks come sailing in from all angles when we're down there with the bread package.
Thing is, there's this duck/vulture looking guy who hangs back from the pack. He's so ugly, it's mesmerizing.
He always gets the first handout.
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 10:29 pm | #
Imagine if a woman had a 9X8 clitoris...
Oh, please.
I'm SICK of hearing about Ann Coulter!
Terry C, Politikal Girl
I still think it's a guy. And frigid.
ellroon differenter than Elron |
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06.17.06 - 10:29 pm | #
Taking a break from politics, today tirned into a movie day. First "Pillow Talk," a really well-constructed sex farce without any sex, typically for the Hudson-Day movies. Lotsa good one-liners, elegantly devised plot twists laced with vulgarity.
Then "Remains of the Day," as typical a Merchant-Ivory movie as one could ask for--I mean that as a compliment. Very good, but in the middle of every Merchant-Ivory movie, I start longing for a Merchant-Ivory-Corman movie.
Then "The Misfits," a movie I'd avoided, having heard its demerits. Flaws are irrelevant when one sees Marilyn Monroe in recognizable screen persoma, but dramatic context, and she more than pulls it off. She's heartbreaking in the role of the life force who can't stand or tolerate death. Who can inspire men to do fine things they've never done before, but she can't stand the thought that those things involve death.
At times the men talk back to her--I love Clark Gable's line to her: "You've bought food for my dog--What did you think was in those cans?"
Draco |
06.17.06 - 10:29 pm | #
reagan also seemed to give a shit about actually running the country as well - rotten as he was, he never would have let things become as unstable as they have. and at least when was looking for a nice little country to knock over as a p.r move, he picked one that we could actually knock over.
dan mcenroe
No he didn't. Putting Reagan in charge of the federal bureaucracy was like putting a vegetarian in charge of a slaughterhouse. He found government action (other than military) repugnant.
The only reason he didn't fuck things up further, like David Stockman wanted to, was because of the durability of the New Deal institutions that he had to work on eroding.
Marcia Brady∞ |
06.17.06 - 10:30 pm | #
Imagine if a woman had a 9X8 clitoris...
a camel toe with the whole shin attached.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 10:30 pm | #
was i just peeking duck?
dan mcenroe
Why a duck?
Why-a no chicken?
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:31 pm | #
Marcia Brady∞ | 06.17.06 - 10:30 pm | #
point taken.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 10:31 pm | #
Putting Reagan in charge of the federal bureaucracy was like putting a vegetarian in charge of a slaughterhouse. He found government action (other than military) repugnant.
Reagan, of course, being another chickenhawk.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:31 pm | #
god, we really need to start building shit again. i wonder if it's even possible to rebuild the manufacturing base in this country.
dan mcenroe
factories throughout the country have literally been dismantled and shipped out -- first to mexico, then to asia. at this point, china pretty much has all the shiny new plants and equipment.
linda |
06.17.06 - 10:32 pm | #
six inch legs, 19 inch penis, what goes through it's mind every time in goes in for a landing?
1watt Hermit
He's a grower, not a show-er.
Pitchforks & Torches |
06.17.06 - 10:32 pm | #
Phee came with a friend, Millie. We had them out on the back porch in a small box covered with a screen when they first came to live with us. On the second night, a racoon came, lifted the screen and took Millie away. My husband felt sorry for Phee, so he brought him into the house.
mer |
06.17.06 - 10:32 pm | #
Imagine if a woman had a 9X8 clitoris...
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Thing is, there's this duck/vulture looking guy who hangs back from the pack. He's so ugly, it's mesmerizing.
He always gets the first handout.
Max Planck
Geez, Karl Rove in Avian form!
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:33 pm | #
The only reason he didn't fuck things up further, like David Stockman wanted to, was because of the durability of the New Deal institutions that he had to work on eroding.
Marcia Brady
There was still a vestige of the Rockefeller Republican party around in those days. Enough to provide a small counterweight to the neocons.
And let's not forget we had a Democratic Congress.
flory |
06.17.06 - 10:33 pm | #
Actually, MLK was the greatest American of the 20th century.
mike in pr
No question in MY mind.
Bobby St. Chomsky |
06.17.06 - 10:33 pm | #
Thank you, Associated Press, for telling me what's important.
factories throughout the country have literally been dismantled and shipped out -- first to mexico, then to asia. at this point, china pretty much has all the shiny new plants and equipment.
linda
I would love to dismantle the Bush Regime and ship IT out of the country.
Like to The Hague?
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:34 pm | #
what about padilla?
no charges, no evidence, no witness, no lawyer. four years in solitary.
no rep speaks up.
gary in fl |
06.17.06 - 10:34 pm | #
Oh, please.
I'm SICK of hearing about Ann Coulter!
Yes, but is Angelina and Brad's baby boring you?>
Anonymous |
06.17.06 - 10:34 pm | #
There was still a vestige of the Rockefeller Republican party around in those days. Enough to provide a small counterweight to the neocons.
And let's not forget we had a Democratic Congress.
flory
I have a feeling that even Goldwater would hate these bastards!
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:35 pm | #
Imagine if a woman had a 9X8 clitoris...
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A Happy Trampoline!
Just *what* exactly were you Googling?
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:35 pm | #
Just *what* exactly were you Googling?
Eli
Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:36 pm | #
Yes, but is Angelina and Brad's baby boring you?>
Anonymous
I hope Britney and K-Fed decide to follow suit and head to Namibia. And neither one can read the "Danger -Lions. Don't get out of the jeep" signs.
flory |
06.17.06 - 10:37 pm | #
When the American people no longer have the extra cash to spend on Chinese trinkets, the Chinese won't think twice about snipping the thread.
mer
one thing i've noticed, and it's not jap crap, everything i buy is made in china. it's well made, but it doesn't cost enough.
now i'm not on the it's all bill clintons fault bandwagon, but that is bill clintons fault. well, it's probably beyond that. if he hadn't been so batshit crazy maybe ross wouldn't have been so bad. if you don't produce...
"how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"
charley |
06.17.06 - 10:38 pm | #
BTW, has Tena checked in from Italia lately?
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 10:38 pm | #
I hope Britney and K-Fed decide to follow suit and head to Namibia. And neither one can read the "Danger -Lions. Don't get out of the jeep" signs.
Never get out of the jeep. Absolutely god-damn right.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:39 pm | #
The only reason he didn't fuck things up further, like David Stockman wanted to...
Huh? I thought that Stockman was one of the very few good things about the Reagan administration. Isn't he the Fed chair who actually had the balls to prevent the collapse of our currency by raising interest rates through the roof, unlike Easy Al?
Anonymous |
06.17.06 - 10:43 pm | #
Heard she was as sick as a dog.
Terry C, Politikal Girl
Think I'll go look up the book k&y was talking about...
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MisterX |
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06.17.06 - 10:43 pm | #
Bella Italia!
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spork_incident
World Cup
US 1
Italy 1
I prefer watching World Cup on Spanish language Univision even though I have no idea what's being said. Gol! Gol! Gol!
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Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 10:43 pm | #
youre thinking of paul volcker
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:43 pm | #
Just two more things about Phee, and then I'll shut up.
We bought him one of those kiddie swimming pools and I would take him outside once or twice a day for a swim. He loved it.
And I can't tell you how bizarre it was waking up every morning, walking into the kitchen to make coffee and finding a duck quacking in his box.
mer |
06.17.06 - 10:45 pm | #
stockman was the guy that admitted that Reagans budget numbers didnt add up (surprise gomer), and got silenced by Reagan.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 10:45 pm | #
Just saw Glenn Greenwald.
He should run for office: smart, well-spoken, personable, good-looking, explains complex issues without condescending, likeable... Will stop gushing now.
res ipsa loquitur |
06.17.06 - 10:45 pm | #
Isn't he the Fed chair who actually had the balls to prevent the collapse of our currency by raising interest rates through the roof, unlike Easy Al?ker
Oops! My bad. That was PAul Volcker.
Anonymous |
06.17.06 - 10:45 pm | #
Huh? I thought that Stockman was one of the very few good things about the Reagan administration. Isn't he the Fed chair who actually had the balls to prevent the collapse of our currency by raising interest rates through the roof, unlike Easy Al?
Anonymous
David Stockman wanted to slash all social spending to the bone. If you think schools, infrastructure, and the safety net suck now...
Marcia Brady∞ |
06.17.06 - 10:45 pm | #
Huh? I thought that Stockman was one of the very few good things about the Reagan administration. Isn't he the Fed chair who actually had the balls to prevent the collapse of our currency by raising interest rates through the roof, unlike Easy Al?
Stockman was an economic advisor.
IIRC, Paul Volcker and then Al were the Fed chiefs.
Massively impressive. I shall woo her with a clit-ring.
masculine_monica_nyc |
06.17.06 - 10:45 pm | #
I ask you, would you go to a physician who you knew got their MD (DO) from Grenada U?
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Agent Orange
i used to work with a guy who was getting his MD from Grenada.
and altho he had a rich daddy we were both making 5.75 and hour as mental health workers. as for an answer to your question, no fuckn' way, he was one stupid bastard.
charley |
06.17.06 - 10:46 pm | #
June 14, 2006
Emperor Kos
So how would the most overrated man in the blogosphere take the news, reported even in the New York Times (obviously lying), that Rove is out of Fitzgerald's crosshairs? I kept telling Kos to blink while watching him on Meet the Press the other night, he was freaking me out. He didn't blink at all at the chance to duck and weave when this subject came up. First, the duck:
Luskin doesn't say Rove was cleared of all wrongdoing. Just that there won't be any charges filed. Interesting wording.
Quack. I'm sure Lushkin can cram out some more statements for you if you want to cover every angle, Mr. Moulitsas. Then came an even larger quack: http://seixon.com/blog/
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06.17.06 - 10:46 pm | #
I prefer watching World Cup on Spanish language Univision even though I have no idea what's being said. Gol! Gol! Gol!
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Agent Orange
So do I.
The American announcers suck.
I did enjoy the BBC feed that I watched last week on ESPN2.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:46 pm | #
Just saw Glenn Greenwald.
He should run for office: smart, well-spoken, personable, good-looking, explains complex issues without condescending, likeable... Will stop gushing now.
Couldn't be bothered to visit Pittsburgh...
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:46 pm | #
Once the Chinese have calculated how to oust the dollar from being the world reserve currency, no more T-bills, no more US borrowing.
They sort of don't care if the new reserve is the euro or the yuan, or some combo. They want some excuse to sell the dollar short.
The US is currently in an impossible relation with the Chinese, where US debt, bought by Chinese, fuels the US trade deficit, returning to the Chinese.
The Chinese see the silliness. The Busheviks don't.
Draco |
06.17.06 - 10:47 pm | #
And I can't tell you how bizarre it was waking up every morning, walking into the kitchen to make coffee and finding a duck quacking in his box.
He should run for office: smart, well-spoken, personable, good-looking, explains complex issues without condescending, likeable... Will stop gushing now.
Couldn't be bothered to visit Pittsburgh...
Right, right, another sign of good sense...
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 10:48 pm | #
Massively impressive. I shall woo her with a clit-ring.
noblesseoblige: Anyway, nice to know that two people, Larry and you, think that heavily armed Americans are better ambassadors than, say, poets, doctors, nurses, athletes, musicians, Red Cross volunteers, Nobel laureates, etc.
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06.17.06 - 10:49 pm | #
damn, when right-wingers start denouncing bush as a war criminal:
Austria's Haider says Bush is a war criminal
Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:21 AM ET
VIENNA (Reuters) - Austrian right-wing populist Joerg Haider called President Bush a war criminal on Saturday, days before Austria's government hosts Bush and European leaders in Vienna.
Haider, whose group is part of Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel's government coalition, said Bush's meeting with his European peers on Wednesday was pointless as he did not expect the U.S. president to pay attention to what Europe had to tell him.
"He is a war criminal. He brought about the war against Iraq deliberately, with lies and falsehoods," Haider said in an interview with Austrian daily newspaper Die Presse.
"The Iraqi population is suffering terribly. Bush took the risk of an enormous number of victims," said Haider.
linda |
06.17.06 - 10:50 pm | #
Good night all you left-wing whackjobs!
ignoreland, Master Wonderer |
06.17.06 - 10:50 pm | #
Just two more things about Phee, and then I'll shut up.
I had one when I was a kid, got him from science class at school. They are lovable little buggars. Never forget him following Mom around the yard quacking his fool head off. He spent the rest of his days at a farm pond.
Toadstool |
06.17.06 - 10:50 pm | #
Massively impressive. I shall woo her with a clit-ring.
Ah! Mistress of the clit-woo!
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 10:51 pm | #
David Stockman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dav.../
David_Stockman
Stockman was elected to the United States House of Representatives for the Ninety-fifth Congress and was reelected to the Ninety-sixth and Ninety-seventh Congresses, serving from January 3, 1977, until his resignation January 27, 1981 to accept appointment as Director of the Office of Management and Budget under U.S. President Ronald Reagan. In 1981, he proposed classifying ketchup as a vegetable as part of Reagan's budget cuts for federally financed school lunch programs (it would make it cheaper to satisfy the requirements on vegetable content of lunches). The suggestion was widely ridiculed, and the proposal was killed. He was committed to reducing government spending, but left after disagreement with Reagan's policies. In 1986, he wrote a book criticizing the Reagan administration called The Triumph of Politics. He is best known for having referred to supply-side economics as a "trojan horse" used to cut taxes on the wealthy. Stockman also admitted to purposely running up the budget deficit and using it as an excuse to cut spending on domestic programs.
Richard |
06.17.06 - 10:51 pm | #
Massively impressive. I shall woo her with a clit-ring.
[stunned silence and blank stare]
spork_incident
I guess this is one of those mystical secrets that boys aren't supposed to understand...like hopscotch.
Uncle Smokes |
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06.17.06 - 10:52 pm | #
Oh dear, what kind of sick is Tena? I've had to work and had to ban myself from the internets for the last 24 hours.
spork see:
mer | 06.17.06 - 10:32 pm
for why I had a duck in my kitchen.
mer |
06.17.06 - 10:53 pm | #
Sorry. Didn't intend to offend the locals.
I'll send myself off.
Ah, spork gets this way over kitchen ducks, too.
If I can talk about my 149 children, MNYC can talk a bout clit rings.
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 10:53 pm | #
like hopscotch.
Wouldn't that be... beer?
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:53 pm | #
I'm surprised Stockman didn't wind up in Chimpy's regime since the asshole recycled so many morons from the Nixon, Reagan and first Bush adminstrations,
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:53 pm | #
Re K-Fed--He's always identified as a "choreographer" in news reports. Can anyone name an example of his choreography, like a disco interpretation of Schoenberg's "Pierrot Lunaire" done for a Banana Republic ad?
Draco |
06.17.06 - 10:53 pm | #
The Chinese see the silliness. The Busheviks don't.
I think that it's a bit more complicated than that. As I understand it, the Chinese banks are fairly overextended as it is, with losds of bad debt arising from irresponsible lending and corrupt sweetheart deals. If all their dollar holdings were to be abruptly toiletpapered by a massive dollar depreciation, I think that they would have big problems. That, and of course their single biggest market for manufactured goods would go soft if our currency died.
blerb |
06.17.06 - 10:54 pm | #
Jeopardy:
This would be the latest phrase concocted by the military in order to justify killing any Iraqi human being.
What is an "insurgent sympathizer?"
Peace,
Bobby St. Chomsky |
06.17.06 - 10:54 pm | #
Man, the bats on Mars are really ugly.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 10:55 pm | #
He should run for office: smart, well-spoken, personable, good-looking, explains complex issues without condescending, likeable... Will stop gushing now.
res ipsa loquitur
no don't. cause that nails it on the head. and i'm not even gay, but good looking counts and he hits all the right notes.
charley |
06.17.06 - 10:56 pm | #
I'm surprised Stockman didn't wind up in Chimpy's regime since the asshole recycled so many morons from the Nixon, Reagan and first Bush adminstrations,
not all bats can be as good looking as us moonbats.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 10:56 pm | #
Link to Frank Rich's Sunday column.
res ipsa loquitur
Ooooooh, look out.
We'll have the Joe troll in here again this week lecturing us about Frank Rich and his past trangressions!
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:57 pm | #
And Linda Fiorentino. Don't forget Linda Fiorentino.
Now, there's a woman who enjoyed her college experience.
masculine_monica_nyc |
06.17.06 - 10:59 pm | #
In 1981, he proposed classifying ketchup as a vegetable as part of Reagan's budget cuts for federally financed school lunch programs (it would make it cheaper to satisfy the requirements on vegetable content of lunches).
To which the late Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania said "Ketchup is a condiment, not a vegetable. And I know ketchup!"
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 10:59 pm | #
What is an "insurgent sympathizer?"
Anyone who doesn't look American.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:00 pm | #
To which the late Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania said "Ketchup is a condiment, not a vegetable. And I know ketchup!"
And then he died in a plane crash.
Eli |
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06.17.06 - 11:00 pm | #
Bozzio: L-l-l . . .
O'Hearn: Listen now . . .
Bozzio: Father I'm glad you're here . . . I want you to hear this . . . I have a confession to make, you know?
O'Hearn: Well, spit it out, son
Bozzio: L-l-l-l-l-l-LEATHER . . .
O'Hearn: Well, don't be ashamed
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06.17.06 - 11:00 pm | #
o which the late Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania said "Ketchup is a condiment, not a vegetable. And I know ketchup!"
And then he died in a plane crash.
Eli
Ten years later
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:01 pm | #
If my husband hadn't left me I wouldn't BE here!
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:01 pm | #
To which the late Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania said "Ketchup is a condiment, not a vegetable. And I know ketchup!"
In 1981, he proposed classifying ketchup as a vegetable as part of Reagan's budget cuts for federally financed school lunch programs
Ahh yes! a pillar of the Reagan legacy!
blerb |
06.17.06 - 11:02 pm | #
And Linda Fiorentino. Don't forget Linda Fiorentino.
Dear God!
If she is quacking in your kitchen...
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 11:02 pm | #
There was a picture on the story
That showed a young sophisticator
Who falls in love three pages later
With some aggressive agitator
And by and by he comes to hate her
'Cause she don't shave her underarms
And he can't go for that
'Cause he's a young sophisticator
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06.17.06 - 11:03 pm | #
To which the late Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania said "Ketchup is a condiment, not a vegetable. And I know ketchup!"
COLOGNE, Germany - Ghana pulled off the biggest upset of this World Cup and might have helped the United States along the way.
The first win for Africa in this tournament was a stunner, 2-0 over the same Czech Republic team that routed the Americans in their opener. Asamoah Gyan scored in the second minute Saturday and the Ghanians peppered star goalkeeper Petr Cech before getting the clincher in the 82nd.
With the victory, Ghana assured that the United States would not be eliminated from contention even with a loss later Saturday against Italy. A U.S. win would put all four teams even at three points in Group E.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:03 pm | #
"And the frightening thing is Reagan was a better president than the current one."
Thanx to the dual blessings of Alzheimers and senility...
under the radar |
06.17.06 - 11:04 pm | #
I always wanted to put about half a cup of ketchup in a dainty glass bowl, wrap it up and send it to Reagan with a note saying "eat up, vegetables are good for you."
mer |
06.17.06 - 11:04 pm | #
Speaking of republicans, Lowell Weickert comes off well in that Watergate Plus 30 piece on PBS.
masculine_monica_nyc |
06.17.06 - 11:04 pm | #
Am I a good Atriot? I provide pictures of Linda Fiorentino. That must count for something.
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spork_incident
May I just say that yes, oddly, this morning, and just now, I suddenly (or once again, depending) look very much like my cousin Margot Kidder, c. 1985?
Genes are strange things, ain't they? I haven't looked like a Kidder in at least twenty years, and hopa! There we are.
O-kay. Back to other things.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil |
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06.17.06 - 11:04 pm | #
If my husband hadn't left me I wouldn't BE here!
Terry C, Politikal Girl
Oh, now I'm being name-stolen.
They ALWAYS pick on the ladies here!
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:04 pm | #
when it comes to being an entertainment critic, Frank Rich is below average. When it comes to being a political pundit, Frank Rich is a vegetable.
just sayin' |
06.17.06 - 11:05 pm | #
A search for "kitchen duck" produced this item, which bears a resemblance to Harpo Marx.
What this means is that I should stop for the evening.
Good night, and take care of your ducky selves!
Uncle Smokes |
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06.17.06 - 11:05 pm | #
Isn't it strange that "just sayin'" shows up when the name stealing starts?
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:06 pm | #
Oh, now I'm being name-stolen.
People knew it wasn't you, Terry C. Ignore the fucking fuckheaded fucker.
masculine_monica_nyc |
06.17.06 - 11:07 pm | #
Speaking of republicans, Lowell Weickert comes off well in that Watergate Plus 30 piece on PBS.
People knew it wasn't you, Terry C. Ignore the fucking fuckheaded fucker.
masculine_monica_nyc
I intend to.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:07 pm | #
we had been relatively troll free--it was a matter of time.
pretzelattack |
06.17.06 - 11:07 pm | #
Would you still love me if my hair grew
All down the side of my kimono
Well of course I would, it might be hip
If it did not cause you to trip
Dear heart, dear heart
Or radiate a bad aroma
Dear heart, dear heart
Or radiate a cheap aroma
Dear heart, dear heart
(Dearest heart)
Or radia-iate, or radia-ia-ia-iate a cheesey aroma
night bats - sleep well all.
dan mcenroe |
06.17.06 - 11:08 pm | #
Stoopit planes.
Max Planck
Stoopit pilots...
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE POOR JUDGEMENT BY THE CAPTAIN OF THE AIRPLANE TO PERMIT THE IN-FLIGHT INSPECTION AFTER HE HAD DETERMINED TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY THAT THE NOSE LANDING GEAR WAS FULLY EXTENDED, THE POOR JUDGMENT OF THE CAPTAIN OF THE HELICOPTER TO CONDUCT THE INSPECTION, AND THE FAILURE OF THE FLIGHTCREW OF THE HELICOPTER TO MAINTAIN SAFE SEPARATION. CONTRIBUTINGTO THE ACCIDENT WAS THE INCOMPLETE TRAINING AND CHECKING THAT THE FLIGHTCREW OF N3645D RECEIVED FROM LYCOMING AIR SERVICE AND THE FAA PRINCIPAL OPERATIONS INSPECTOR ASSIGNED TO THE OPERATOR.
Agent Orange |
06.17.06 - 11:08 pm | #
Speaking of republicans, Lowell Weickert comes off well in that Watergate Plus 30 piece on PBS.
Indeed.
and not being joe lieberman is always a plus...
Thers, Mighty |
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06.17.06 - 11:08 pm | #
I always wanted to put about half a cup of ketchup in a dainty glass bowl, wrap it up and send it to Reagan with a note saying "eat up, vegetables are good for you."
mer
Shit would have been better
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:08 pm | #
Genes are strange things, ain't they? I haven't looked like a Kidder in at least twenty years, and hopa! There we are.
so then might one say it isn't time that ages but the thought itself?
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06.17.06 - 11:08 pm | #
"Red nail polish will work on a coin, though not permanent.
SteveNS
I have access to an electroplater."
An engraving tool can work wonders...
under the radar |
06.17.06 - 11:09 pm | #
What made the Heinz plane crash even sadder was that, IIRC, happened over a school and children were killed and badly injured.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:09 pm | #
FZ: Sick!
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Love Zappa.
Terry C, Politikal Girl |
06.17.06 - 11:10 pm | #
A search for "kitchen duck" produced this item, which bears a resemblance to Harpo Marx.
Uncle Smokes, I'm stunned.
I'm stunned that someone else other than me would right off see the Harpo Marx connection.
But more importantly, I'm stunned that someone else would research the Kitchen Duck.
Well done. my friend!
Max Planck |
06.17.06 - 11:10 pm | #
May I just say that yes, oddly, this morning, and just now, I suddenly (or once again, depending) look very much like my cousin Margot Kidder, c. 1985?
oh, you are so hot.
i still can't get over the fact that i thought you were a kindly old male historian. at least i was half right.
charley |
06.17.06 - 11:16 pm | #
But - I am a kindly old historian.....
My cousin Margot Kidder is what kindly old historians look like. I thought everyone knew that.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil |
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06.17.06 - 11:19 pm | #
Regarding reclassifying ketchup as a vegetable.
First, tomatoes are a fruit. Secondly, my ex BF's brother-in-law owned a vegan food company (Tree of Life) selling "ketchup" 100 % dried tomato with spices and spring water.
They were sued by Heinz and Kraft to the effect that real ketchup had to have vinegar in it. A feature of the lawsuit was that the accusees' ketchup could go bad fast, but people were used to ketchup lasting forever.
"god, we really need to start building shit again. i wonder if it's even possible to rebuild the manufacturing base in this country.
dan mcenroe"
Sure we can, dan. Let's build solar dish-engines to power our country with sunlight...it'd take about a 10-hp (which is 5.5kw) unit to power the average home with juice to spare, feeding the grid, which we then use as just a battery...
under the radar |
06.17.06 - 11:25 pm | #
Sure we can, dan. Let's build solar dish-engines to power our country with sunlight
There's some company in AZ playing with a solar heated stirling cycle engine to do just that. I think the prototype is 20 or 30KW. (they were thinking of powering up several houses.)
Doug, |
06.17.06 - 11:40 pm | #
I have been wondering what to do with this person.
It is an insoluble pancake.
Thers, Mighty |
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