I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

frist


Gravatarbonne nuit


GravatarJuan!


GravatarNot frist!

hullo.


GravatarNothing like a troll to grab a first. He must be so proud.


GravatarMay I say I (heart) Cindy Sheehan


http://www.comcast.net/news/ nati...vqh=itn_sheehan


GravatarFanks, I will.
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Gravatari tried, i really tried mer, but the bastard beat me to it


GravatarThe jack frist post was me.
I regret the error.


Gravatarthis so sucks, new thread, now GWPDA will miss my ridiculous flirt with her.

sigh.........


GravatarNot frist!

hullo.


I've got my eye on you, girlie.


GravatarToadstool, you're forgiven, at least by me.


Gravatarwatertiger, any word from our beloved maple syrup dork?


Gravatar"They say we're traitors, we're deserters," said former Marine Chris Magaoay, 20, of the Hawaiian island of Maui. "No, I'm a Marine and I stand up for what I believe in, and I believe the Constitution of the United States of America is being pushed aside as a scrap piece of paper."

If these guys have a defense or support fund, I'd very much like to know about it.


Gravatar this so sucks, new thread, now GWPDA will miss my ridiculous flirt with her.

sigh.........
charley


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Just saying, that I thought everyone knew that my sort of cousin Margot Kidder is what kindly old historians look like. You mean, we don't?
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GravatarIf these guys have a defense or support fund, I'd very much like to know about it.
DemByDefault


Me, too.

"Traitors"??? Because they don't want to die or be maimed for Halliburton?


Gravatar"I've got my eye on you, girlie."
--Eli

jesus, is that a penis coming out of the top of that?


GravatarIf these guys have a defense or support fund, I'd very much like to know about it.
DemByDefault


I'm pretty sure it's the Quakers who are up front with this one. Run a search with a cross-reference to the article in Harper's about six months ago.


GravatarThers,

says he's doing okay - he's going to be driving his grandmother up (over?) to Maine on Monday and will be picking up the latest addition to his household, so that will provide some distraction.

Today was saying goodbye day. He and his dad are hanging in there.


GravatarJust saying, that I thought everyone knew that my sort of cousin Margot Kidder is what kindly old historians look like. You mean, we don't?
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GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Margot Kidder delivered the most transcendent line in Hollywood history:

Then...who's holding *you* up?


Gravatar*ping!* *ping!* *ping!*
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Gravatarhi mer!


Gravatarthanks for the NTodd news watertiger


GravatarCURLY!


GravatarEli,

EEEEEK!

Oh, and I have to write a post about this: there was a Jewish Ralph Wiggum at my nephew's bar mitzvah. We were laughing our asses off at this kid singing every note of every prayer.

Turns out he's the rabbi's son.


Gravatar
Then...who's holding *you* up?
Max Planck


Hope.

She's a good girl.

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Gravatarhope the maple syrup dork is doing well. I wish him every possible good.


Gravatarplum p: CURLY!

Naw, just me, tonight. Curly's pissed that I didn't take him to Bonnaroo.
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Gravatarsimce i've got nothing to say, a beautiful cat then

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogg.../1600/ kitty.jpg


GravatarMy copy of the Economist came today. On pg 92 there is an obituary.

Yasser Talal al-Zahrani

He was 21 years old and had been incarcerated by Amerikans at Guatanamo since age 17. Big time terrorist or sumpthin? Right.

The Economist obituary closes with this paragraph:

"As he had hoped, his death led to voices around the world to demand that the camp be closed. One Senior American official, immovable, called his suicide "a good PR move". She may have been right; Guatanamo, alas, remains wrong.


GravatarHi to you Sarah Deere! I love getting up early and reading what you have to say on the overnight threads.


GravatarCurly's pissed that I didn't take him to Bonnaroo.
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Jeffraham

to where?


Gravatarplum:

That IS one purty kitty!


Gravatarhey mer...I'm sorta hit-and-run these days

hope all is well w/you & yours.


Gravatarsimce i've got nothing to say, a beautiful cat then

How about some cat-on-dog action?

(Check out "Images By Year")


Gravatarplum p: to where?

The Madness in Manchester (TN), the modern-day equivalent to Woodstock, without the mud.
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GravatarApparently, according to the Economist, a "myth" had been birthed amonst the prisoners which held that if three of them killed themselves, the rest would be released.


GravatarOne Senior American official, immovable, called his suicide "a good PR move".




There is a special place in hell for these people.

PR move.....OMFG!


GravatarThat IS one purty kitty!
Terry C

aren't all my kitties pretty?

http://community.webshots.com/ ph...015358433IvhNcQ


Gravatarthose are cute pictures, but the dog's nose reminds me of Paula Jones.


Gravataroh Eli, that was so so so cute!


GravatarHow about some cat-on-dog action?


I have a lot of pictures of my Boston Terrier with my big 17 pound black cat.

They're real buddies, too!


GravatarStephen Colbert On Gitmo:

Colbert (BT): We can't give these terrorists trials, we don't have any evidence...
Colbert (RT): Then how do you know their terrorists?
Colbert (BT): How do you know they're not? I mean 460 arabs arrested in Afghanistan and Iraq, some of them gotta be terrorists...
Colbert (RT): Well that's blatant racial profiling!

Colbert (BT): You're just talking like a whitey...
Colbert (RT): Now but, what about the guys who are innocent?
Colbert (BT): What about'em?
Colbert (RT): We can't keep innocent people there forever!
Colbert (BT): Well if they're really innocent, they won't mind being locked up


GravatarHow about some cat-on-dog action?

ohhhhh.....


Gravatararen't all my kitties pretty?


Why, yes. Yes, they are!


GravatarMy Unwitting Role in the Rove 'Scoop'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...1601754_pf.html
By Joe Lauria

I met Leopold once, three days before his Rove story ran, to discuss his recently published memoir, "News Junkie." It seems to be an honest record of neglect and abuse by his parents, felony conviction, cocaine addiction -- and deception in the practice of journalism...

I disagree, but I felt some sympathy for the affable, seemingly vulnerable 36-year-old. Before we parted, I told him a bit about myself -- that I freelance for numerous newspapers, including the Sunday Times of London. His publicist had earlier given him my cellphone number.

Three days later, Leopold's Rove story appeared. I wrote him a congratulatory e-mail, wondering how long it would be before the establishment media caught up.

But by Monday there was no announcement. No one else published the story. The blogosphere went wild. Leopold said on the radio that he would out his unnamed sources if it turned out that they were wrong or had misled him. I trawled the Internet looking for a clue to the truth. I found a blog called Talk Left, run by Jeralyn Merritt, a Colorado defense lawyer.

Merritt had called Mark Corallo, a former Justice Department spokesman who is now privately employed by Rove. She reported that Corallo said he had "never spoken with someone identifying himself as 'Jason Leopold.' He did have conversations Saturday and Sunday . . . but the caller identified himself as Joel something or other from the Londay [sic] Sunday Times. . . . At one point . . . he offered to call Joel back, and was given a cell phone number that began with 917. When he called the number back, it turned out not to be a number for Joel."

A chill went down my back. I freelance for the Sunday Times. My first name is often mistaken for Joel. My cellphone number starts with area code 917.

I called Corallo. He confirmed that my name was the one the caller had used. Moreover, the return number the caller had given him was off from mine by one digit. Corallo had never been able to reach me to find out it wasn't I who had called. He said he knew who Leopold was but had never talked to him.


GravatarJust saying, that I thought everyone knew that my sort of cousin Margot Kidder is what kindly old historians look like

i swear to god you were a septugenarian white haired (what was left of it) old man in my minds eye. then i saw your pic . someone mentioned patricia o'neill which must not be the correct spelling, but there you go. assumptions.


GravatarMargot Kidder delivered the most transcendent line in Hollywood history:

Then...who's holding *you* up?
Max Planck


"You've got me?

Then who's got you?"


GravatarBlair is such a cretin

US military honoured in secret by Britian

Antony Barnett, investigations editor
Sunday June 18, 2006
The Observer

The government has been secretly awarding honours to senior figures in the US military and foreign businessmen with lucrative public sector contracts. The Observer has obtained a Foreign Office list detailing all non-British citizens who have been awarded honours since 2003 - the first time the complete three-year dossier has been released.
It has emerged that Riley Bechtel, billionaire boss of the US-based Bechtel Corporation, which has won big transport and nuclear contracts in Britain and made a fortune from the Iraq war, was secretly awarded a CBE in 2003.

This award has never been made public either by the British government or Bechtel. At the time Jack Straw, now Leader of the House of Commons, was Foreign Secretary. Although there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing, questions are being asked about whether the Foreign Office kept the awards quiet for fear of a political backlash.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/ p...1800267,00.html


Gravatarsomeone mentioned patricia o'neill which must not be the correct spelling, but there you go. assumptions.
charley


GWPDA's a babe. Handle it.


GravatarRepost from last thread, where "catsup as a vegetable" was mentioned:

First, tomatoes are a fruit. Secondly, my ex BF's brother-in-law owned a vegan food company (Tree of Life) selling "ketchup" 100 % dried tomato with spices and spring water.

They were sued by Heinz and Kraft to the effect that real ketchup had to have vinegar in it. A feature of the lawsuit was that the accusees' ketchup could go bad fast, but people were used to ketchup lasting forever.

Therefore all-natural ketchup wasn't ketchu


GravatarCat, or submarine? ...

http://static.flickr.com/32/ 4336...7e7e2aeea_o.jpg


GravatarGood evening and all that stuff. What's happening in the world? Other than the usual really stupid shit, of course.


GravatarHow does everyone else always know there's a new thread and I don't? Tell me the trick or the beep Eschaton gives off or whateveer


GravatarCan you still be a liberal if your sister's nephew races in NASCAR?

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/cha...ts/ 14818008.htm

(It's actually every parent's fear - a kid who went somewhere with videogaming skills, among other things.)


GravatarCat, or submarine? ...

http://static.flickr.com/32/ 4336...7e7e2aeea_o.jpg
Richard

Oooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
gorgeous!!!


GravatarCat, or submarine? ...

http://static.flickr.com/32/ 4336...7e7e2aeea_o.jpg

Richard

OH WOW! Watertiger, check it out, quick!


Gravatarhmm i dont know of a trick.


GravatarDraco: How does everyone else always know there's a new thread and I don't? Tell me the trick or the beep Eschaton gives off or whateveer

If someone doesn't give the signal, and the posting slows to a crawl, I usually do an F5 on the homepage...
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GravatarHow does everyone else always know there's a new thread and I don't? Tell me the trick or the beep Eschaton gives off or whateveer
Draco |


Simple. You slowly notice your comments are being ignored by fewer and fewer people.

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GravatarStephen Colbert On Gitmo:

i'm not really a big fan of colbet, too over the top. but that piece he did on gitmo was brillance.


GravatarSomebody usually says owls or sheets or whatever. Or you can just refresh the page once in a while.


GravatarTwo US Soldiers Captured by Insurgents:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/me...sing/ index.html

"Mission Accomplished!"


GravatarLeopold is in too many ways a man of his times. These days it is about the reporter, not the story; the actor, not the play; the athlete, not the game. Leopold is a product of a narcissistic culture that has not stopped at journalism's door, a culture facilitated and expanded by the Internet.

In the end, whatever Jason Leopold's future, he got what he appears to be crying out for: attention.

Expanded by the Internet? Um, what about television and radio?


Gravatarapparently you can't get away from tigers by jumping in a lake.


Gravatarpretzelattack: apparently you can't get away from tigers by jumping in a lake.

Especially if someone's thrown a nice cut of beef in, right beforehand.
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GravatarAh, yes, Gitmo. Where, according to human vomit Rash Rimjob, people kill themselves as a publicity stunt. Sort of like those self-immolating Buddhist monks back in the Vietnam era. Jeez, people will just do anything for publicity, right Rash?


GravatarAssumptions? Always chancy.


GravatarIn the end, whatever Jason Leopold's future, he got what he appears to be crying out for: attention

Jason Leopold, whatever his earlier journalistic accomplishmnents, gambled and lost.

And by lost, I mean go away.

Forever.


GravatarTigers can swim pretty good. I thought that was fairly well known?


GravatarI like Colbert a lot, but thinking as a writer, his persona limits the things he can say--I wish he had a series of personae so he could could choose the most apprpriate, fly from there. That's too much to ask, even from someone so talented.


GravatarHow about some cat-on-dog action?

(Check out "Images By Year")
Eli

this is way too delicious!!


Gravatarso Lamont is another rich guy who's campaigning hard and developing grass roots supporters like us. Assume we have little money, but we've got big hearts and lots of energy and we really want a progressive in place of the Lieberman.
Bush did the same thing. Came across as a populist.
And Repugs bought it.

What's Lamont got that is different from the everyday run of the mill rich guy Senator? How do we know he's not pulling wool over our eyes and "just saying what we want to hear"?


GravatarWhat happened to this Leopold guy?


GravatarAssumptions? Always chancy.
GWPDA, PhD

that photo is you or your cousin, i'm confused!


GravatarWhat's Lamont got that is different

He's not Lieberman.


GravatarHot inter-species action! Somebody call Prick Sanscrotum, quick.


Gravatarthat photo is you or your cousin, i'm confused!

I think left is Kidder, right is GWPDA.


GravatarMonsieur decided that for Dad's Day, he wanted Italian. So I took him for it.

He is, after all, Dad ^2.


GravatarWhat's Lamont got that is different from the everyday run of the mill rich guy Senator? How do we know he's not pulling wool over our eyes and "just saying what we want to hear"?

Yabbut, how could he be any worse than Lieberman? This "he's a rich guy, he can't be on your side" argument smacks of turd blossom.


Gravataramazing, we get pro-Lieberman trolls now


GravatarHow about some cat-on-dog action?


Awwww.

They really love each other.


GravatarWhat happened to this Leopold guy?

He's a craptastic journamalist who got burned by his sources on the Rove/Plame story.


GravatarThink I'll wander downstairs for another beer and a smoke.


GravatarIn the end, whatever Jason Leopold's future, he got what he appears to be crying out for: attention

In an alternate universe, Leopold is an internet troll.


GravatarLieberman. Yechhh.

Yuck.

Phooey.

Pfft.


Gravatarthat photo is you or your cousin, i'm confused!

I think left is Kidder, right is GWPDA.
Eli


Thus my surprise.... Fancy waking up and looking like yourself all of a sudden! Shocking.


GravatarJeffraham and Agent O--That's exactly how I'd thought to see how there was a new thread in the absence of owls

But I'm always late--forgive my reposts, which you can always skip over


GravatarAssumptions? Always chancy.


I tried to go to the GWPDA homepage to look at that pic after you said your cousin was Margot Kidder, but your homepage link doesn't go there anymore. I fact, your homepage link seems to be dead....


GravatarHmmmmm.(Dons Indiana Jones Hat and jacket...)

You can bring the bullwhip.


Gravatarleopold must have known he would get caught, if he was making the story up. but if he wasn't, why wouldn't he go ahead and burn his sources like he threatened to do?


GravatarFixed it.


Gravatarwhy wouldn't he go ahead and burn his sources like he threatened to do?

Because he's a jerk, and that might be the end of his name being mentioned on the internets and in the broader media?


GravatarAh, yes, Gitmo. Where, according to human vomit Rash Rimjob, people kill themselves as a publicity stunt.

as loathesome as limbaugh is, that particular line originated out of the pentagon. must give credit where it is due. the pill-popping fatass only regurgitated the talking points.


GravatarThat would be karen Allen(Marion Ravenwood was her character name).

Ever discuss archaeology over whiskey?


GravatarFancy waking up and looking like yourself all of a sudden! Shocking.
GWPDA


Yet we soldier on. Brad Pitt ain't got nuthin on what I coulda been.


GravatarBecause he's a jerk, and that might be the end of his name being mentioned on the internets and in the broader media?

It should be anyway.


GravatarHe's a craptastic journamalist who got burned by his sources on the Rove/Plame story.
masculine_monica_nyc

and they where?

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GravatarYet we soldier on. Brad Pitt ain't got nuthin on what I coulda been.
Max Planck


There ya go. One of the strange things there are. I coulda been found under a bush like Cousin Margot, 'stead of hiding out here...


Gravatarthis week gave us one fantastic photo

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/...HNlYwNzc25hdg--


GravatarI guess you guys would like to have some fresh plushy.

http://plush-life.blogspot.com/2...day- plushy.html

He is effortlessly cute. I wish I could learn that trick.


Gravataras loathesome as limbaugh is, that particular line originated out of the pentagon.

I must say, despite fierce competition, that has got to be the worst thing this administration has said yet.

But let us not forget that Limbaugh is responsible for the assertion that what went on at Abu Ghraib amounted to "fraternity hazing"....


GravatarLeopold isn't wrong about Rove the guy changed his tune five times. if anything Rove has continued collusion with other targetsa and has tried to set grounds for a mistrial. He'd knowingly leak wrong info but we all know Rove usually sees greater effect to leak the truth.

Plausible Deniability, and it covers reaction to the truth on follow-up.

If that doesn't work say your opponent did the action to cover tracks- because everyone knows Joe Wilson leaked Valerie's name and will be indicted.


GravatarHe's a craptastic journamalist who got burned by his sources on the Rove/Plame story.

I wonder about that. My suspicion is that Leopold has no sources to burn. I think that he made the story up, gambling that the rumors of an imminent Rove indictment would indeed turn out to be true. If that had happened, Leopold would have been in the position of claiming that he had "scooped" everyone else. The fact that many of the details of his story were false could be readily overlooked at that point.

Unfortunately for him, Leopold lost the bet.


GravatarAssumptions? Always chancy.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Hey! The two a yez together aint a hunnert 'n four!


Gravatar4Legs--that is the most adorable PlushyPic!


Gravatarsnow looks like "I cant believe im dressed like this"


GravatarMAXX!


Gravatar4Legs--that is the most adorable PlushyPic!

I thought so too.


Gravatar Hmmm.


GravatarMay I say I (heart) Cindy Sheehan

So do I, Terry. I don't know if you check out Common Dreams. I do almost daily, and recommend it. It's a wonderful digest of progressive and enlightened thought.

And they publish Sheehan's pieces fairly often. You can almost feel her evolving over the months and finding her voice. She's beautifully articulate and eloquent-- simple, direct, and decidedly down-to-earth.

I have no patience with detractors and cavillers who have expressed exasperation with her actions-- or antics, as the doubtful might say. I generally like and certainly respect Scott Ritter, so I'll make allowance for a recent interview in which he sourly rejected the idea that Sheehan is or is trying to be the leader of an antiwar movement. He complained that she was all over the map, a Tinkerbell of leftist causes (my phrase, not his). He growled (or so it seemed) that she wasn't much use as an organizer or "mission leader". It was a true jarhead POV-- a Marine officer scowling at a loose cannon-- in the form of a ditsy woman-- willingly thrust to the front of the battle.

And I recall a few people of the Democratic political pragmatist stripe here sneering or bitching about Sheehan's lack of political discipline. They would prefer that she harnessed herself to the Democratic engine, which would surely involve Sheehan being required to toe somebody's line beyond her own.

I think she's a true hero and and inspiration as a free agent, and I don't give a fuck if she jumps in a Jacuzzi with Castro. Which I admit is not a pleasant image, but it makes the point.


GravatarHey! The two a yez together aint a hunnert 'n four!
Elmer, PHD


GravatarLeopold isn't wrong about Rove

Yes he is. Rove wasn't indicted; that was the whole thrust of Leopold's position.

My suspicion is that Leopold has no sources to burn. I think that he made the story up, gambling that the rumors of an imminent Rove indictment would indeed turn out to be true.

I can believe that, and it would explain why he hasn't burned them, as he said he would.


GravatarHey! The two a yez together aint a hunnert 'n four!
Elmer, PHD


Canadians age different. It's a fact.


Gravatarleopold must have known he would get caught, if he was making the story up. but if he wasn't, why wouldn't he go ahead and burn his sources like he threatened to do? -pretzelattack

I've mentioned this before, but I posed that very question to Caroline Daniel of the Financial Times a few months ago at a conference. (You may have seen her trying to get a word in edgewise on McLaughlin.) She said the problem is not the lying source, it's the fear that once you burn one, however deservedly, all your other sources will stop talking to you. She added that it is the reporter's responsibility to stop talking to the sources that lie to them, but under this system there's no real way for us to assess that.


Gravataramazing, we get pro-Lieberman trolls now
plum p

Just what I was thinking. Karl must be askeered of losing his favorite Democrat if he's sending Liebertrolls to Eschaton!!


GravatarHe's a craptastic journamalist who got burned by his sources on the Rove/Plame story.
masculine_monica_nyc

and they where?

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agave


Bach in the bushes, setting up their snare for the next Leopold to saunter gullibly along...


GravatarCanadians age different. It's a fact.
GWPDA

you mean better, right?


GravatarYet another opportunistic, amoral douche, I guess. Washington draws them like a fresh pile of horse shit draws flies. You know the old saw about how power corrupts? Sometimes I think that power doesn't corrupt so much as it draws the corrupt or the corruptible.


Gravataryou mean better, right?
plum p


Of course.


GravatarCanadians age different. It's a fact.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Well, I guess...


Gravatar4Legs--that is the most adorable PlushyPic!

I thought so too.
fourlegsgood


That kitty could be a cute overload all by his loneseome....


GravatarOf course.
GWPDA

The Oilers made it 3-3 tonite, Harper was there. I think western Canada had enough wins for this year dontcha think?


GravatarThis "he's a rich guy, he can't be on your side" argument smacks of turd blossom.
blerb'

Look at the record: The Roosevelts, Kennedy, George Washington, Jefferson, Franklin. You don't want rich guys getting involved in politics.


GravatarThis "he's a rich guy, he can't be on your side" argument smacks of turd blossom.
blerb'

Look at the record: The Roosevelts, Kennedy, George Washington, Jefferson, Franklin. You don't want rich guys getting involved in politics.


GravatarI think western Canada had enough wins for this year dontcha think?
plum p |


One more, eh?


GravatarCanadians age different. It's a fact.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Wouldn't all that crisp cold air keep them nice and young and fresh?


GravatarI can't understand how a veteran journalist like Leopold would allow under his byline, terms like "24 business hours" and Karl Rove having to to "get his affairs in order". At the worst, it was a goddamned indictment, not a death warrant.


GravatarNobody goes to a grand jury five times unless they were a big part of the action.

Rove will be indicted. Probably not for the identities protection act because he was never cleared to see her name in the first place at the time so the law doesn't apply his way, in full, in word. It does for intent and the spirit of the law but there's other items he can be charged with there.

As for the war powers defense, we weren't in war with Iraq at the time. Unless they can prove Afghanistan is tied to nuclear proliferation, there's an attempt to overlap theatres to present the argument in Rove's favor.


GravatarWouldn't all that crisp cold air keep them nice and young and fresh?
flory


Mostly, it's the life-affirming qualities of plaid flannel.


GravatarOh well. A big turd like Karl has to be shat out slow and deliberate.


GravatarOne more, eh?
GWPDA

okay....but just 1 more


GravatarHaloscan is being particularly unpleasant tonite.


GravatarOn a more positive note, I just got back from An Inconvenient Truth, which opened here yesterday. Fortunately for me it is playing in a theater less than a mile away, so I walked. 600-seat theater, I'd guess about 500 asses in seats for that showing.

Just wow. The audience was right there with Al, spontaneously applauding throughout the film. I wish they had released the DVD with it so I could send a copy to my parents. I understood immediately why so many are trying to undermine it.

Interestingly, some of the biggest applause came during the previews, in this case for The U.S. vs. John Lennon.


GravatarHaloscan is being particularly unpleasant tonite.
flory

phew, it's not me!


GravatarI wonder about that. My suspicion is that Leopold has no sources to burn. I think that he made the story up, gambling that the rumors of an imminent Rove indictment would indeed turn out to be true. If that had happened, Leopold would have been in the position of claiming that he had "scooped" everyone else. The fact that many of the details of his story were false could be readily overlooked at that point.

Unfortunately for him, Leopold lost the bet.


This is my suspicion to the letter, except I usually throw in something about tea leaves.


GravatarCanada. It's Nerf USA.


Gravatari vaguely remember some question about Leopold's work before. if i have a burst of energy ill google that.


GravatarWell, here's Leopold's current claim, Rove was indeed indicted, but the indictment has been sealed...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 061206Z.shtml

Here's another story about the "Sealed vs. Sealed" indictment they claim applies to Karl Rove
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/s...6/12/9216/ 61823


Gravatar Canada. It's Nerf USA.
B1 Bumme


You better know the secret knock, bubba, when it comes time to come north.... That's all I'm saying.


GravatarThe Iraq war payoffs continue -- WSJ --

World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz picks Iraq war ally Ana Palacio of Spain as the lender’s new senior vice president and general counsel. Palacio served as foreign minister under then-Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, who took fierce political heat at home for contributing troops to the U.S. war in Iraq. Spain withdrew its troops after Aznar’s conservative Popular Party lost to the Socialists in the wake of the Madrid train bombings.

In a letter to World Bank staff, Wolfowitz cites Palacio’s experience “strengthening ties with Middle East and Mediterranean nations” as one reason he’s bringing her on board. “Ms. Palacio demonstrated exceptional leadership and management capabilities when she served as Spain’s foreign minister,” he writes. Palacio, an attorney by training, is currently a member of the Spanish parliament.


GravatarWouldn't all that crisp cold air keep them nice and young and fresh?
flory

Or the humidity of SE TX. Like a constant moisturizer.

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GravatarI would like to see Al's movie, too. Why the hell isn't he the president instead of that talking lint Shrubbo?


GravatarWhat does "GOP" stand for?
Is it Greed Over Patriotism? Gauging Oil Prices? Gays On Pitchforks? Got Only Probation? Guilty On Plame?

You decide. You might just win an iPod Shuffle or an Amazon gift certificate for your effort. Enter the "What Does 'GOP' Stand For?" Contest today!


GravatarMostly, it's the life-affirming qualities of plaid flannel.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Well beyond the Recommended Daily Dose.


GravatarWell, here's Leopold's current claim, Rove was indeed indicted, but the indictment has been sealed...

Well, here's my current claim. Truthout.com, you've fucked yourself.


GravatarI can believe that, and it would explain why he hasn't burned them, as he said he would.

Which would make Truthout complicit, as they've claimed all along that he told them his sources and they felt they were credible.

So that's probably why Truthout refuses to sell out Leopold *or* his "sources".


GravatarOr, as I now call them, "Truthinessout".


GravatarWell beyond the Recommended Daily Dose.
flory


Hey! Health Canada's NEVER established a Minimum Daily Requirement for plaid!


GravatarIts finally raining here. I love the sound and smell of rain.


GravatarWell what would make any of us think bush would ever tell Rove to take a hike?

That was where he really took a chance with the story. It seems like something Rove would do to make the story about him so he start with his 'liberals are mad' appearances.


GravatarWell what would make any of us think bush would ever tell Rove to take a hike?

That was where he really took a chance with the story. It seems like something Rove would do to make the story about him so he start with his 'liberals are mad' appearances.


GravatarThey won't let me in, probably. There was an incident with my little brother and one of his marsupial peckerwood pals going up there a decade or so ago. If they find out I'm related to him, they'll probably deport me to Tristan de Cunha.


GravatarWhy the hell isn't he the president instead of that talking lint Shrubbo?

That, of course, is The Unavoidable Question one experiences halfway through the film.

On Leopold, having heard him a few times on Ed Schultz trying to explain wtf, I have to say he sounded very much like a guy whose dog ate his homework, except he's never had a dog.


Gravataryou go GWPDA!


GravatarWorld Bank President Paul Wolfowitz picks Iraq war ally Ana Palacio of Spain

I'm suddenly reminded of the end of Hellman's "The Little Foxes":

Ben: The world is wide open for people like us, Regina. We'll own this country some day, you see if we don't.

Or something like that. Hellman never imagined, I guess, the globalization of of those people.


GravatarWell, here's my current claim. Truthout.com, you've fucked yourself.
Max Planck

Right on.

Reveal the liars or they are liars.

.


GravatarWell, here's Leopold's current claim, Rove was indeed indicted, but the indictment has been sealed...

"I was right, but it's a secret."


Which is *still* total bullshit, because his original story said Rove had *already* resigned, or was just about to.


Gravatarmarsupial peckerwood pals

Wasn't that the exceedingly unpopular spin-off of Teletubbies?


GravatarOr the humidity of SE TX. Like a constant moisturizer.

Ooo, hot SETX.


GravatarIts finally raining here. I love the sound and smell of rain.
The Old Man From Scene 24

A rainy thundery day here. I had a nice nap.

.


GravatarMostly, it's the life-affirming qualities of plaid flannel.
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Look what it did for >Zelda Gilroy...


GravatarIf they find out I'm related to him, they'll probably deport me to Tristan de Cunha.
B1 Bummer


It's okay. Here's the secret.

Plaid flannel. Swath yourself in it. Look sincere. Be faintly sticky and carry a jar of maple syrup. Look puzzled. You'll be fine.


GravatarWhat does "GOP" stand for?

God Offal Pukes?


GravatarAh, Paul Wolfobitz. Noted Comb-Sucking Deviant freakwad. What an utterly harmful, useless flake of human dandruff.


GravatarAnd Zelda is, I believe, a hunnert 'n four...


GravatarWhat does "GOP" stand for?

God Offal Pukes?


Greedy Oil Patriarchs.


Gravatarlook puzzled. You'll be fine.
GWPDA


and don't forget to talk about hockey too


GravatarHey! Health Canada's NEVER established a Minimum Daily Requirement for plaid!
GWPDA, PhD, BA, CPhil


Mebbe. But we know what the LD-50 is.....


GravatarOccam's razor says Leopold is full of shit.


Gravatari vaguely remember some question about Leopold's work before.

Here's a refresher...

Self-Made Scoop
Reporter tries to remove a stain by adding more dirt from his past
http://www.villagevoice.com/ news...hy,61336,6.html
In late August 2002 Salon reported a major scoop: An e-mail linked then Army secretary Thomas White, a former executive at Enron, to an effort to cover the massive losses at the energy giant. White's supposed message instructed a subordinate: "Close a bigger deal. Hide the loss before the 1Q [first-quarter report]."
By early October, the scoop was scrapped: Salon retracted the story, saying it was "unable to independently confirm the authenticity" of the e-mail. What looked like a direct link between the Bush administration and the Enron debacle was shredded, and the career of Jason Leopold—the author of the piece—was destroyed.

Now Leopold has written a book that casts that episode as just one drama in a tumultuous life that includes years of drug addiction, a felony conviction Leopold hid from his employers, getting fired from a Los Angeles Times community paper for threatening a reporter, and leaving Dow Jones Energy Service after an inaccurate story got Leopold pulled from the Enron beat.

"This is stuff that I've really hidden my whole life," Leopold tells the Voice, adding that the book "really allowed me to purge all those feelings. I want to make sure I come across as totally, 100 percent honest."


Gravatarah plaid self swathing.


GravatarWell what would make any of us think bush would ever tell Rove to take a hike?

Bush may be dumb--is dumb, but he knows he can't win a fair fight, and he knows he needs the fight so unfair that only Rove can game it for him.


GravatarIt's daylight in North-Western France.


GravatarYikes! Even worse was the Skeletubbies, featuring anatomically correct talking skeletal systems that were supposed to teach kids about manners and shit.


GravatarOoo, hot SETX.
Eli

rorschach?


Gravatar ah plaid self swathing.
pretzelattack


Or, you can always swath with a friend. No difference to us, so long as it's plaid.

G'night!


Gravatarouch! why isn't leopold a republican (hmm my conspiracy antennae go up)


GravatarIt's daylight in North-Western France.
The Old Man From Scene 24

Is that where you are? sounds great!!


GravatarOn Leopold, having heard him a few times on Ed Schultz trying to explain wtf, I have to say he sounded very much like a guy whose dog ate his homework, except he's never had a dog.
JeffCO |

Very much like W, except he never had homework.


GravatarOccam's razor says Leopold is full of shit.
The Old Man From Scene 24


Occam says he doesn't need his razor to do his talking for him.


GravatarSomeone actually chase Jack off?


GravatarIf I were an editor, I would just never hire anyone named Jason.


GravatarOr the humidity of SE TX. Like a constant moisturizer.

Ooo, hot SETX.
Eli


Hot wet SETX....


GravatarHot wet SETX....

I immediately regretted not throwing "steamy" in there.


Gravatar"This is stuff that I've really hidden my whole life," Leopold tells the Voice, adding that the book "really allowed me to purge all those feelings. I want to make sure I come across as totally, 100 percent honest."

Umm...too late.


GravatarBush may be dumb--is dumb, but he knows he can't win a fair fight, and he knows he needs the fight so unfair that only Rove can game it for him.

Bush hasn't got a clue what a fair fight even is.


GravatarBTW, Saturn and Mars are in a fucking awesome conjunction in the western sky, only 1/2 degree apart.


GravatarCrudya. Anyhoo, GOP stands for Got Onanistic PeePee.


GravatarOr the humidity of SE TX. Like a constant moisturizer.

Fuck that.

Like a constant, polluted steam bath. Blech.


GravatarBush hasn't got a clue what a fair fight even is.

Just that it's to be avoided at all costs.


GravatarOff to check out
Saturn and Mars. Back in a sec.


GravatarBritaney Spears is a knocked up whore AND her husband IS an idiot!


GravatarIs that where you are? sounds great!!

No such luck. Just watching the 24 Hours of Le Mans.


GravatarSomeone actually chase Jack off?
Phil Marmalade

it wasn't jack, it was Toadstool

Bonne nuit GWPDA


GravatarJust that it's to be avoided at all costs.

Yes.

He'll never fire Rove. Never. No matter what he does. Because I believe Bush knows and approves of every evil thing that he does.


GravatarRove already resigned- leopold was right. Rove changed jobs, they probably show Leopold his resignation for the post he transferred from and he runs with it...

Meanwhile Rove is promoted. by the way, Rove's latest 'promotion' includes no security clearance. hy has no reporter asked karl Rove about any Security news. Technically he's not cleared to confirm or deny any security now. perhaps someone could apply it to his fundraising trips?

Rove appeared in New Hampshire... let's see him try that act in New York. Step up to the plate, Eliot!


GravatarBTW, Saturn and Mars are in a fucking awesome conjunction in the western sky, only 1/2 degree apart.
JeffCO

Why do I suspect this is really Bad News, astrologically speaking?

Anyone know???


GravatarOr, you can always swath with a friend. No difference to us, so long as it's plaid.

Puritans bundled. Canadians apparently swath.......


GravatarIs that where you are? sounds great!!

No such luck. Just watching the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
The Old Man From Scene 2

Ach, I was hoping there were thatched roof cottages with DSL connections for rent on the Breton coast


GravatarRe: Leopold: What was that movie starring Leonardo DiCapria about the guy who was a fake pilot? He kept getting away with it. I think Leopold is a fake journo.

P.S. Hey Atrios, Why don't you have an ad on the side about Anderson Cooper's big interview with Fat Lips Hooolihan Jolie like they do in the CNN page? You could make a shitload of money if you ran it and we could look at her freakishly attractive face while discussing why the world's auch a miserable place.


GravatarBTW, Saturn and Mars are in a fucking awesome conjunction in the western sky, only 1/2 degree apart.
JeffCO


1/2 degree?

.


Gravatar/lurk

Show of hands.

Who didn't think Rove was going to get indicted?

We had defense lawyers up the ying-yang saying "5 grand jury visits = sure indictment".

David Shuster and hosts of other reporters pumping it up.

Leopold's source might be real or imagined. I'm not defending him.
He rolled the dice and they came up snake eyes.


GravatarHe'll never fire Rove. Never. No matter what he does. Because I believe Bush knows and approves of every evil thing that he does.
fourlegsgood

Actually, I've always suspected that Rove gives Bush plausible deniability, and Bush trusts him to stick the knives wherever needed.


GravatarWhy*


GravatarOr, as I now call them, "Truthinessout".

www.Truthinessout.borg? Can't bring it up, for some reason...


GravatarShe said the problem is not the lying source, it's the fear that once you burn one, however deservedly, all your other sources will stop talking to you.

Even if one allows that this is an important and legitimate concern, it still remains that providing unconditional immunity from exposure fatally undermines the reliability of the information acquired from such sources. One demonstrable consequence of this status quo is that sources are free to lie, mislead, deceive, and manipulate both the reporter and the public unless and until they are tripped up. Does the name Judy³ ring a bell?

It seems like the ground rules need that good ol' fashioned paradigm shift. The basic contract between reporter and source should explicitly state that if it is clearly established that a source is playing fast and loose, it may expect to be burned.

(FWIW, on a related issue-- I am no fan of all of the sleazy practices law enforcement routinely resorts to out of alleged necessity and expedience, e.g. use of snitches/informants, sting operations, playing defendants off each other, etc.)


GravatarAch, I was hoping there were thatched roof cottages with DSL connections for rent on the Breton coast



there probably are such rentals...


GravatarAch, I was hoping there were thatched roof cottages with DSL connections for rent on the Breton coast



there probably are such rentals...


GravatarUmm...too late.
Elmer, PHD

Or again.

.


GravatarAnyone know???
Sarah Deere


Here ya go:

Out of the frying pan and into the fire! Jumping from the annual Sun-Pluto polarity to a Vesta-Saturn conjunction (11:56AM PDT) and a Mars-Saturn conjunction (11:05PM PDT) is no simple or easy task. Be careful you don't follow the foolish adventure of mythological Icarus and melt your wings by flying too close to the Sun. The Vesta-Saturn and Mars-Saturn unions are in fiery Leo. Be extra careful when it comes to your valuables, investments and property. Playing fast and loose with hard-earned savings is out of bounds. Reinforce safety and security measures around your residence. Make sure you are receiving sensible and trustworthy financial advice. Keep your distance from romantic liaisons and webs of intrigue while the red planet confers with the ringed planet.


GravatarWhat was that movie starring Leonardo DiCapria about the guy who was a fake pilot?

Based on a true story. Fucker didn;t choose professions like accounting, or engineering office fucks where you can fairly easily smarm your way around for a good long time.

No, he went the airline pilot, doctor route, where pretty goddamned quickly you need to cough up some righteous know how in front of a bunch of folks.


GravatarOff to check out Saturn and Mars. Back in a sec.

Crap - I just went out again and now there's clouds to the west. Beautiful view of Jupiter hanging in the Southern sky though. Scorpio too.


GravatarKeep your distance from romantic liaisons and webs of intrigue while the red planet confers with the ringed planet.

So, Marcia... umm... How 'bout those Mets, huh?


GravatarPaul McCartney turns 64 today.


GravatarPaul McCartney turns 64 today.

Will we still need him?


GravatarBrad Pitt should have dumped Angelina because she's SO weird!

She's a WEIRD chick!


Gravatarskippy examines the false premises the weekly standard op-ed piece promotes in its allegation that progressive blogs are losing influence here.


Gravatarapparently she didnt still need him.


Gravatar1/2 degree? .agave

So says Sky and Telescope:

Least separation is 33 arcminutes at 6:25 Universal Time on the 18th


Gravatar"Catch me if you can" was the name of the movie.


GravatarWill we still need him?
Eli

not really, except for divorce attorneys


GravatarBrad Pitt should have dumped Angelina because she's SO weird!

She's a WEIRD chick!


Agreed. Pittsburgh would probably be the perfect place to do that, too.

Brad, let me give you an address...


GravatarSo, Marcia... umm... How 'bout those Mets, huh?
Eli


Romantically intriguing?


GravatarMars & Saturn are only going to be visible just after sunset.


Gravatargoddess i miss you all. ach, take it from me: taking this netroots stuff seriously will change you. and only for the busier. gnight, beloved moonbats.


GravatarRove: Right use Net to 'broaden our appeal,' while left use it to 'mobilize hate and anger'
http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200...oaden_0616.html

In an exclusive interview with a New Hampshire "citizen activist network," President Bush's senior political adviser, Karl Rove, claimed that conservatives have broadened their appeal through the Internet while liberals have used it to "mobilize hate and anger," RAW STORY has found.
-----------

Yeah Karl, little green footballs is a real "uniter not a divider" website.


GravatarBecause I believe Bush knows and approves of every evil thing that he does.
fourlegsgood


rove has prolly moved onward and upward to carry out the favors of cheney's corporate manufactured heart... lil boots is irrelevant.


GravatarBecause I believe Bush knows and approves of every evil thing that he does.
fourlegsgood


rove has prolly moved onward and upward to carry out the favors of cheney's corporate manufactured heart... lil boots is irrelevant.


GravatarMarcia Brady∞

Thanks. I guess I was wrong. That just sorta sounds like my daily horoscope most of the time (every other week, for example)


GravatarKeep your distance from romantic liaisons and webs of intrigue while the red planet confers with the ringed planet. -Marcia Brady∞

Look, if you don't want me to come over later, just say so.


Gravatargoing to smoke a joint on the patio, later...


GravatarRomantically intriguing?

If you're looking for a Lastings relationship, Nady.


GravatarMangelina. She still has Billy Bob residue, probably. Gee-ross.


GravatarOn a more positive note, I just got back from An Inconvenient Truth

al gore is scheduled for an extended interview on countdown next week -- monday i think.

i am taking such delight in gore's endrun around the established chatterboxes; it must piss off tweety to no end that he hasn't had gore as a guest, seeing how he fancies himself such an in the know and major playa on the wdc political scene.


Gravatarhmm its raining on the patio here.


GravatarEvening rational people! What tacky atrocities have I missed?


GravatarEvening rational people! What tacky atrocities have I missed?


GravatarPaul McCartney turns 64 today.

Will we still need him?
Eli |

gosh darn, I never did. I really, really dislike him, always have.


GravatarYes, although over time I must say that Macca is my least favorite Beatle, I still need him and would feed him.

Although I think he would sense my carnivorous propensities and recoil from me in repugnance. Sorry about that.

Ringo and I are having burgers.


GravatarKeep your distance from romantic liaisons and webs of intrigue while the red planet confers with the ringed planet.
Marcia Brady


Well, hell. There goes that wild weekend with Keith.....


GravatarKeep your distance from romantic liaisons and webs of intrigue while the red planet confers with the ringed planet. -Marcia Brady∞


Condi and Plamegate day at the White House...


GravatarGahh.

I am so tired. Why did I go to the gym today?

Oh, right. Because I'm out of shape and needed to go.


GravatarWill we still need him?
Eli


I guess the latest wife didn't.....


GravatarLook, if you don't want me to come over later, just say so.
JeffCO


Aren't you far...like in CO?


Gravatarit must piss off tweety to no end that he hasn't had gore as a guest, seeing how he fancies himself such an in the know and major playa on the wdc political scene.

Al could go on in a flightsuit. Tweety would cream himself.


GravatarI wish Karl Rove all the good he deserves, and I wish he would get it post haste. Like, right fucking now.


GravatarPaul McCartney turns 64 today.

I hope he dies before Roger Daltrey thinks he's old.


GravatarAren't you far...like in CO? -Marcia Brady∞

Is that a problem?


GravatarIf you're looking for a Lastings relationship, Nady.
Eli


You realize I have no idea what you're talking about...


GravatarI am so tired. Why did I go to the gym today?

Oh, right. Because I'm out of shape and needed to go.


Or you could just walk around taking pictures for four hours.

Exercise just makes your *body* hurt.


GravatarOh, well. Other stuff calls. Have a nice rest of the weekend.


GravatarI am so tired. Why did I go to the gym today?

I think you answered your own question there.


GravatarIs that a problem?
JeffCO


Well, it kind of makes the whole coming over tonight conundrum a little moot.

Or mute, as my sister would say.


GravatarYou realize I have no idea what you're talking about...

I guess you're not a Mets fan, then...


Aren't you far...like in CO? -Marcia Brady∞

Is that a problem?


She can't even make it as far as Pittsburgh. Hell, she can't even make it as far as *Manhattan* when I'm in town.


GravatarExercise just makes your *body* hurt.
Eli

That's always been my assessment of it, too


GravatarEli is on the cover of the Boston PHOENIX!

http://www.thephoenix.com/ images...2006_summer.jpg

"I Pinch", he was quoted as sayinÔ?


Gravatar4Legs,

Mr. Plushy is adorably cute and cuddly tonight.


GravatarWell, it kind of makes the whole coming over tonight conundrum a little moot.

I said later, not how much later....


GravatarAnyone remember an old novel called the Dwarf? About a evil little guy that did all the kings poisoning and strangling etc? I think Karl used it as a guide book.


GravatarEli is on the cover of the Boston PHOENIX!

Would that I led such a happy life.


GravatarShe can't even make it as far as Pittsburgh. Hell, she can't even make it as far as *Manhattan* when I'm in town.
Eli


Shhhh, she can hear you.


GravatarJoel Osteen is an apostate. A false teacher and worshipper of Mammon. He makes me want to puke.


GravatarShe can't even make it as far as Pittsburgh. Hell, she can't even make it as far as *Manhattan* when I'm in town.
Eli


And what prevents you from crossing a bridge or two?


GravatarI said later, not how much later....
JeffCO


Aaah, there I go with my assumptions again.


GravatarWould that I led such a happy life.
Eli

Would that your claws were that big in real life.


GravatarEli is on the cover of the Boston PHOENIX!

He's just trying to impress Jodie Foster. Literally.


GravatarShhhh, she can hear you.

What's her point?


GravatarAnd what prevents you from crossing a bridge or two?

I guess I've been crossing the wrong ones...


GravatarWill we still need him?
Eli |

gosh darn, I never did. I really, really dislike him, always have.


Lennon/McCartney were The Beatles.

Team effort and all that, at least in the early days.


GravatarI'm tired of reading doctoral theses! I want FLIRTING!


Gravatar'm tired of reading doctoral theses! I want FLIRTING!
R. Manhammer | 06.18.06 - 12:46 am | #


Where's Thers when you need him?


GravatarMy wife had on a television programme last night - Britney Spears interview. This porcine little harlot will be fellating cab drivers in another ten years. Her 15 minutes are up.


GravatarI'm tired of reading doctoral theses! I want FLIRTING!
R. Manhammer


Come sit over here by me....


GravatarI want tacky gossip!

I want to know what moronic crap Pasty has been up to!

I want LIFE!


GravatarAaah, there I go with my assumptions again. -Marcia Brady∞

Feel free to assume any position you'd like; I'll accommodate.


GravatarI'm tired of reading doctoral theses! I want FLIRTING!

So....

What are you wearing?


GravatarPaul: "Will you still feed me, will you still need me, when I'm 64?"

Heather: "Um.... No!"


GravatarWhere's Thers when you need him?
Sandy-LA 90034

Well, if there's substantial eatage on the SciFi channel, he's watching TV. Otherwise, I dunno.


GravatarWhat's with all the vitriol against Brittney Spears? Expend it on someone who deserves it -- like Julia Roberts.


GravatarIf Paul McCartney were an Amerikan, he'd take Heather's prothetic leg and beat her to death with it.

My God, the British are more fucked up than we are.

Its enough to trie the patience of Job that John and George should be taken ahead of this booby.


GravatarCome sit over here by me....
flory

Oooh! Excellent! Best offer I've had all week. What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this? Not that there's anything wrong with that.


GravatarPeople try to put us down,
Just cuz we're richer than 5,000 of you combined!

Talkin' bout our generation.


GravatarExpend it on someone who deserves it -- like Julia Roberts. -Marcia Brady∞

What did she do?


GravatarWhat are you wearing?
Steve French

Something silky. Something sultry. Something that I can barely keep on....

Big boy....


GravatarFeel free to assume any position you'd like; I'll accommodate.
JeffCO


Goodness! All that fresh Colorado air is making someone frisky.


GravatarPersonally, I think McCartney is a major jerk, but ultimately, he was the most talented and versatile of the Beatles. His stuff on "Revolver" in particular is utter genius.


GravatarI just saw Mar Adentro (which really means "out to sea" not "the sea inside").
Lovely movie.
Alejandro Amenábar is a very good director.

Sleepy now.

Buenas noches.


GravatarWhat did she do?
JeffCO

I do not care for Julia Roberts. Frankly, I don't think she's that hot. At all.


GravatarWhat's with all the vitriol against Brittney Spears? Expend it on someone who deserves it -- like Julia Roberts.
Marcia Brady


She's the one that thinks we should just trust our preznit, remember?


Its enough to trie the patience of Job that John and George should be taken ahead of this booby.
James Jesus Rimbaud


That's Sir booby to you.....


GravatarDid the Atriots watch the Sci-Fi movie earlier this eveninig? I missed the comments.


GravatarWhat did she do?
JeffCO


Nothing. She just bugs me.


GravatarWhat's with all the vitriol against Brittney Spears? Expend it on someone who deserves it -- like Julia Roberts.

She looks like a horse and she did "pretty woman" with that "Gerbil up his ass" guy!


Gravatar# ALDEBARAN (Alpha Tau)
# ALNATH (Beta Tau)
# Hyadum I (Gamma Tau)
# Hyadum II (Delta 1 Tau)
# Ain (Epsilon Tau)
# ALCYONE (Eta Tau)
# Celaeno (16 Tau)
# Electra (17 Tau)
# Taygeta (19 Tau)
# Maia (20 Tau)
# Asterope (21 Tau)
# Sterope II (22 Tau)
# Merope (23 Tau)
# Atlas (27 Tau)
# Pleione (28 Tau)


GravatarWhat's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
R. Manhammer


I come here for the shoe porn. How about you?


GravatarPut a blonde mop on the fucker and 64 year old Paul McCartney becomes the third pillar of an unholy trinity, the first two being Rod Stewart and Barry Manilow. Its fine to superannuate your talent, but you ought to have the decency to die or dissappear from public view.


GravatarGoodness! All that fresh Colorado air is making someone frisky. -Marcia Brady∞

Are you saying there's some other way to be? Who knew?


GravatarI come here for the shoe porn. How about you?
flory

The same. There really isn't a lot of other reasons to come here. The beer is warm and the service is poor. But I like it here.


GravatarNothing. She just bugs me. -Marcia Brady∞

Just for you I vow never to ask her out.


GravatarShe's the one that thinks we should just trust our preznit, remember?

flory


That's true.


GravatarIf superannuated talent is tonight's topic, when do we discuss the Rolling Stones?


GravatarAnonymous

What's with all the bullshit?


GravatarJust for you I vow never to ask her out.
JeffCO


That's really all I ask.


GravatarNothing. She just bugs me.
-Marcia Brady∞

Well, that's it. I'll toss the trollop out in the morning!


GravatarPut a blonde mop on the fucker and 64 year old Paul McCartney becomes the third pillar of an unholy trinity, the first two being Rod Stewart and Barry Manilow. Its fine to superannuate your talent, but you ought to have the decency to die or dissappear from public view.
James Jesus Rimbaud


If Jimi Hendrix were alive today he be singing a duet of 'Ebony and Ivory' with Paul McCartney.
Sometimes it's better to die young.
.


Gravatarfor anyone in nyc -- pbs is showing the 30year retrospective on watergate; it just started.


GravatarMcCartney was the silliest sellout of the Beatles (Ebony and Ivory?).

Yet he had an angelic voice, was a superb bass player, and was from say '66 on, the driving force behind the Beatles.

And for that alone, I salute him.


Gravatarshe did "pretty woman" with that "Gerbil up his ass" guy!

I know his sister-in-law; she lives in Denver.


GravatarThere's somthing endearing about a 64 year old drug addict who looks like nothing so much as a 64 year old drug addict falling out of palm tree. I'll give all the Stones except Mick a pass. He really has superannuated his talent.


Gravatarjulia roberts doesn't seem to be the threat to her children's health the way spears most certainly is. the latest was her romp at the beach where photos of that baby showed him to be red as a beet. .


GravatarThe beer is warm and the service is poor. But I like it here.
R. Manhammer


Bad puns. Boyz without pants. Trolls.

It's odd, but its home.....


GravatarIs it just me, or do famous people go into "celebritard" status around infants? There was Michael Jackson dangling the infant. There was the Aligator Idiot and the infant. And now Britney and the infant.

I'm seeing a pattern here....


Gravatarjulia roberts doesn't seem to be the threat to her children's health the way spears most certainly is. the latest was her romp at the beach where photos of that baby showed him to be red as a beet.

Well he is at least half redneck.


GravatarThere's somthing endearing about a 64 year old drug addict who looks like nothing so much as a 64 year old drug addict falling out of palm tree. I'll give all the Stones except Mick a pass. He really has superannuated his talent.
James Jesus Rimbaud


All of them need to move into the home and give the rest of us a break, if you ask me.


GravatarI don't like Julia Roberts either. I've never understood what the big hoo-hah's about with her -- people carry on like she's the next Audrey Hepburn and I totally don't see it.


Gravatar"A stepdaughter of Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, has a second Washington job, working for a lobbyist who has business before the committee, the Washington Post will report in Sunday papers. "

The Dukestir circus goes on...


GravatarBad puns. Boyz without pants. Trolls.

It's odd, but its home.....

flory

I'm good for the first two. Lets talk cheap, emotionally meaningless flirtation for a bit.


GravatarBad puns. Boyz without pants. Trolls.

It's odd, but its home.....
flory


The National Organization of the Keith Olbermann Sexual Fantasy Fanclub...


GravatarIts enough to trie the patience of Job that John and George should be taken ahead of this booby.


Especially George. Frosted my balls that Jeff Lynn had to finish his work for Brainwashed.


GravatarAll of them need to move into the home and give the rest of us a break, if you ask me.
flory


Look, if you can't appreciate a 90-year-old man in stretchy pants gyrating on stage, then you're just dead inside.


GravatarThe Dukestir circus goes on...
Mr.Murder


Just a 'few bad apples' as usual in Republican Bizarro World. Let's look toward the future not the past - unless of course we're talking about Democrats!
.


GravatarLook, if you can't appreciate a 90-year-old man in stretchy pants gyrating on stage, then you're just dead inside.
Marcia Brady∞

Out of morbid curiosity, does retching at the sight of the aforementioned man in stretchy pants count as "appreciation?"

I'd hate to have to line up on the "dead inside" side. I'm already rhythm-challenged.


GravatarFrosted my balls

Ok, I can understand that shaving has gone mainstream, but frosting? That's seems a bit too far.


GravatarRe: McCartney, as I said, gee, I dunno, at least months ago. I;m old, so kinear time means so little. Why, I remember when I was about six, and my cousins and I threw my grandmother's clothespins off tjhe little bridge that went over the creek at the far end of her property and....(snorts, blinks)...wait, wait, what I meant to say was...McCartney...oh, yeah,. I remember, now....I've always seen him as the British Barry Manilow.....


GravatarI'm already rhythm-challenged. - R. Manhammer

Would you like me to hit you with my rhythm stick?


GravatarOk, I can understand that shaving has gone mainstream, but frosting? That's seems a bit too far.
JeffCO

In competitive tea-bagging, frosting gives just the edge one needs to be a contender!


GravatarI'll swell the chorus of "never could see what the fuss is about Julia Roberts".

She's OK, but not dazzling in the least.


GravatarNOT Greg Kinnear time, I meant LINEAR time....at least, I think I did.....


GravatarWould you like me to hit you with my rhythm stick?
JeffCO

*raises eyebrow*

I didn't know it was that kind of place. Let me get my rope and cuffs.


GravatarRe: Shaved Balls

A little ditty for your late night viewing pleasure (1.5 minute video)

http://video.google.com/ videopla...148196956702929
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GravatarIt's odd, but its home.....
flory


The Home away from Home you don't have to leave Home for...


GravatarWhy do the Beatles keep dying off, yet the Stones keep wheelchairing along?


GravatarWould you like me to hit you with my rhythm stick?

Two fat [somethings], click click click!

(Actually, that's three, but who's counting)


GravatarOk, I can understand that shaving has gone mainstream, but frosting?

It's all the latest among the Carson Daly crowd...


GravatarI;m old, so kinear time means so little.

You didn't like Talk Soup?


GravatarAw c'mon, Sir Paul isn't that bad. Yes, he's responsible for some desperately smarmy pop music but he's also responsible for "The Long and Winding Road" and "Let It Be." I've always liked him a lot.


Gravatar*raises eyebrow*

I guess you're not much of a blockhead then, eh?


GravatarI wish I'd watched the bats tonite. I've been watching Capote, which has to be the most boring movie I've seen in years.


GravatarThe Dukestir circus goes on...
Mr.Murder


tpm has a copy of the letter dhs originally denied having, but miraculously found. the notable thing to me was the signature:

Randy 'Duke' Cunningham

how pathetic that he actually signed using his nickname in quotes.


GravatarI'll swell the chorus of "never could see what the fuss is about Julia Roberts".

She's OK, but not dazzling in the least.


A few months ago, someone who was completely underwhelmed by her on screen saw her in a restaurant, and was just blown away by how gorgeous she was in person.

Not that this really explains anything, I just thought it was odd.


GravatarTwo fat [somethings], click click click!

(Actually, that's three, but who's counting)
Eli | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:11 am | #


Persons, IIRC.

Man...Ian Dury was awful, in my book.


GravatarI'm good for the first two. Lets talk cheap, emotionally meaningless flirtation for a bit.
R. Manhammer


My flirtations are fraught with meaning and emotion!


The National Organization of the Keith Olbermann Sexual Fantasy Fanclub...
Marcia Brady


Of which I am preznit.


GravatarA few months ago, someone who was completely underwhelmed by her on screen saw her in a restaurant, and was just blown away by how gorgeous she was in person.

Not that this really explains anything, I just thought it was odd.
Eli |


Some people when seen in person really radiate their fantastic wealth.
.


GravatarIt's all the latest among the Carson Daly crowd... -Toadstool

Ugh - I accidently saw some of that last night (?) - Jolene Blalock was on and seemed as incapable of producing a coherent sentence as he was of asking a coherent question. Capping it off was Jaime Kennedy mugging like his life depended on it in the background. Such a sorry spectacle.

If only she'd brought the ears....


GravatarJeez. I chased everyone away with my drunken slur against Ian Dury.


GravatarAll of them need to move into the home and give the rest of us a break, if you ask me.
flory

I'm of more than one mind about this, all kidding aside.

If people who play other kinds of music besides rock n' roll get to keep on keeping on until death, why not the Stones (as one example)?

Since I'm their age, they are not disgusting to me as they must surely be to young folks.

One of the reasons I appreciate them is, they don't go away quietly. They're still out there, gyrating, if you will.

I imagine the very thought of us ancients even having sex lives might appall you youngsters, but, I assure you, we do. This actually should be of some comfport to you, since you (like we) will not be young forever.


GravatarOut of morbid curiosity, does retching at the sight of the aforementioned man in stretchy pants count as "appreciation?"

R. Manhammer


I dunno. Do you retch at the sight of a pretty girl in a light summer dress?


GravatarOf which I am preznit.

I hate to break this to you, but he's banging Rita Cosby.


GravatarA few months ago, someone who was completely underwhelmed by her on screen saw her in a restaurant, and was just blown away by how gorgeous she was in person. - Eli

Are you making fun of my JR story?


GravatarI guarantee you Britney refers to the child as Tater in private. Probably already bought it its first four-wheeler. Madonna, something of a tart herself, rolled Britney and left her for dead along the road of irrelevancy. You can already see the fat person in her waiting to come out. There are two choices - a latter day Shelley Winters playing matronly support roles, or Anna Nicole Smith path.


GravatarAll music inevitably wilted into expensive noise after Stu Sutcliffe died.


GravatarNot that this really explains anything, I just thought it was odd.
Eli |


I saw Drew Barrymore at a party a few years back and was pretty impressed. Never gave her a thought, but she was gawgeous. No make-up at all, either.


GravatarEvening, all.

Nothing else witty, or even interesting,
to say right now.


GravatarI guess you're not much of a blockhead then, eh?
JeffCO

Not in that sense, no. What part of "rhythm challenged" was unclear?

I'm an utter waste of non-musical protoplasm. Srsly. My mom should have gotten her money back for my piano lessons.

I do dig on chick harmony, though, for reasons that I don't care to explore.


GravatarJeez. I chased everyone away with my drunken slur against Ian Dury.

I'm only partially here. Took another 630 photos today, so I'm Processy Galore tonight. Only 500 to go!


Won't be here much longer, though - I need to get up early tomorrow so I can walk to softball and... take pictures. Gah.


GravatarA few months ago, someone who was completely underwhelmed by her on screen saw her in a restaurant, and was just blown away by how gorgeous she was in person.

Not that this really explains anything, I just thought it was odd.
Eli


Jill said that about Kate Moss. Actually, she also says that Benicio del Toro exudes animal magnetism in person.


Gravatar"Sir" Paul is a fuckwad. Sez me, and I mean that. I really dislike about 99% of his music.


GravatarMy flirtations are fraught with meaning and emotion!
flory

We are such a poor match.

Kiss me, you fool!


GravatarI saw Drew Barrymore at a party a few years back and was pretty impressed. Never gave her a thought, but she was gawgeous. No make-up at all, either.

I never really thought of her as beautiful, but I do find her disarmingly charming in a goofy sort of way.


GravatarI exude animal magnetism in person. Until my wife reminds me to take a shower anyways.


GravatarIf people who play other kinds of music besides rock n' roll get to keep on keeping on until death, why not the Stones (as one example)?

When I saw Charles Mingus, he almost had to be carried on stage. But I don't recall anyone saying, "Man, he's too old for this shit."

But he really wasn't marketed the same way the Stones were, as eternally young "rebels"...


GravatarShelley Winters playing matronly support roles

Shelley Winters greatest moment - telling the entire country in the late 60s on the Tonight Show that Jerry Mathers, the real Beaver Cleaver was killed in VietNam.
Of course he wasn't.
.


GravatarI still regularly listen to both Band on the Run and Venus and Mars. Sue me.


GravatarI never really thought of her as beautiful, but I do find her disarmingly charming in a goofy sort of way.
Eli | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:20 am | #


I'd never given her a thought one way or the other. But yeah...charming was the word. And kind of radiant.


GravatarWe are such a poor match.

Kiss me, you fool!
R. Manhammer


A doomed relationship. Cool.


GravatarI still regularly listen to both Band on the Run and Venus and Mars. Sue me.
JeffCO | 06.18.06 - 1:22 am | #


Not a fan of Wild Life?


GravatarShelley Winters playing matronly support roles

Ol' Shelley drowned a lot in her roles.


GravatarI dunno. Do you retch at the sight of a pretty girl in a light summer dress?
Marcia Brady∞

No, of course not. I do the old guy thing and suck in my tummy while wiping the drool off my chin.

Why do you ask?


GravatarI still regularly listen to both Band on the Run and Venus and Mars. Sue me.
JeffCO


You'll be hearing from my attorney.


GravatarI imagine the very thought of us ancients even having sex lives might appall you youngsters, but, I assure you, we do. This actually should be of some comfport to you, since you (like we) will not be young forever.
Sarah Deere


They're not that much older than me. I just think their act has grown tired. It worked in the 60's and 70's. It's a little dated in the 21st century.


GravatarWhy do you ask?
R. Manhammer


Just trying to assess the nexus of your puking and your appreciation.


Gravatar"Sir" Paul is a fuckwad. Sez me, and I mean that. I really dislike about 99% of
his music.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:20 am | #


He wrote "For No One" and "Here,
There and Everywhere."

Other mortals need not apply.


GravatarKiss me, you fool!
R. Manhammer


{{smoooooooch}}


GravatarMy at a distance impression of Drew is that her charm is at least in part from a seeming lack of pretense. She may have burned it off during her drug-addled teen years. That and she seems genuinely to care about things other than acting.


GravatarMy at a distance impression of Drew is that her charm is at least in part from a seeming lack of pretense.

Yep. Seems completely unaware that she's a "movie star". Seems like she would happily converse with pretty much anyone.


GravatarYou know who I think really does light up the screen in the most spectacular way, and I can't understand why she's not a big above-the-title star, is Catherine Zeta Jones. What is she doing with cell phone commercials, for God's sake??


GravatarHe wrote "For No One" and "Here,
There and Everywhere."

Other mortals need not apply.
steve simels | 06.18.06 - 1:23 am | #


I never really got the McCartney hatred. Seems like a pretty talented guy to me. And John Lennon was certainly churning out Manilowesque slush too, for a long while there.


Gravatar{{smoooooooch}}
flory


That was sooo nice!

I can't understand why Thers is so against this sort of thing.

Here, let me gently nibble the side of your neck...


Gravatar"Sir" Paul is a fuckwad. Sez me, and I mean that. I really dislike about 99% of
his music.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:20 am | #


Assuming you're not a troll or a troll
impersonating you....

The best I can say about you is that
you're trying to hard to be an
iconoclast.


GravatarArt Bell has returned to Coast. He's on now with a really good connection from the Phillipines.


GravatarOut of the frying pan and into the fire! Jumping from the annual Sun-Pluto polarity to a Vesta-Saturn conjunction (11:56AM PDT) and a Mars-Saturn conjunction (11:05PM PDT) is no simple or easy task.

That's interesting. Evidently North Korea ordered the populace to raise flags and watch the TV at that time, and they're announcing plans to launch a new missle. Not sure if they're actually firing it or not.


GravatarMy at a distance impression of Drew is that her charm is at least in part from a seeming lack of pretense.

Personally, I like the twins.


GravatarI also listen to Plastic Ono Band and Imagine and Double Fantasy, as well as All Things Must Pass.

And say what you want, I like most of Back To The Egg.


GravatarAnd John Lennon was certainly churning out Manilowesque slush too, for a long while there.
Phila


That was the Qaaludes, I think.


GravatarApropos of nothing in particular, and in all sincerity, I'm utterly bummed that polar bears are endangered.

I love bears!


GravatarJust trying to assess the nexus of your puking and your appreciation.
Marcia Brady∞

I may be old, but I'm not insane.


GravatarThe best I can say about you is that
you're trying to hard to be an
iconoclast.
steve simels | 06.18.06 - 1:26 am | #


I know I just defended the guy...but I'm not sure you can have an icon in the absence of belief.

Or maybe you can. Beats me. I'm sloshed anyhow.


Gravatarsigh

OK, now we go home.

'Night rational people!


GravatarAnd say what you want, I like most of Back To The Egg.
JeffCO | 06.18.06 - 1:26 am | #


I wouldn't say most, but it definitely
has its moments.

In any case, who amongst us here has
made as great music as McCartney did
in the Beatles?

Hellooo.....?????


GravatarI really really miss the Ramones.

Just sayin'.
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GravatarApropos of nothing in particular, and in all sincerity, I'm utterly bummed that polar bears are endangered.

There's an animation of that in Al's movie, which reminds me of my biggest LOL moment in the film that involves his appropriation of another animated clip explaining global warming. Maybe I should leave it a surprise.


GravatarI really really miss the Ramones.

Just sayin'.
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MisterX | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:31 am | #


I find it totally shocking that there
are only two living Beatles.

But in a weird way, I find it even more
shocking that there are only two living
original Ramones.

Seriously.


GravatarMy at a distance impression of Drew is that her charm is at least in part from a seeming lack of pretense.

Yep. Seems completely unaware that she's a "movie star". Seems like she would happily converse with pretty much anyone.
Eli


I read or saw something where she was in a dressing room at some store trying on clothes and some girl recognized her. She was really nice and talked to this girl's mother on her cell.

And anyone who was married to Tom Greene can't have any pretense left.


GravatarThe Abby Road medley still blows me away.


GravatarMake that one original Ramone???


GravatarTrying to blame Paul for the breakup of the Beatles, as some have done, or even Yoko, is kind of silly, when you consider it's a freaking miracle four guys that talented and different stayed together as long as they did, through the Hell that being THE BEAYTLES!!! had to be. It would have killed lesser beings. Has, in fact...


GravatarIn any case, who amongst us here has
made as great music as McCartney did
in the Beatles?

Hellooo.....?????
steve simels | 06.18.06 - 1:31 am | #


I had someone make the same objection when I trashed Boston, once. Had I ever written anything as good as "More Than a Feeling"?


GravatarI wouldn't say most, but it definitely has its moments.

Hmm, well I wasn't counting, but I definitely like the Rockestra stuff.


GravatarAnd anyone who was married to Tom Greene can't have any pretense left.

I hated Tom Green with the white-hot passion of a thousand suns until he hosted SNL. "Dog Show!" may have been the turning point.


GravatarThere's an animation of that in Al's movie, which reminds me of my biggest LOL moment in the film that involves his appropriation of another animated clip explaining global warming. Maybe I should leave it a surprise.
JeffCO


I saw An Inconvenient Truth at a mid-town theater, and it was sold out. NYC loves it some Al Gore.

I was thinking of making a movie called And Inconvenient Cat, but I decided that would be redundent.


GravatarAnd anyone who was married to Tom Greene can't have any pretense left. -Marcia Brady∞

That guy was a ball.

Or is it has?


GravatarThe Abby Road medley still blows me away.
Toadstool


They knew it at the time, they were done. Few even try to cover it, though if they could nail it, bands like U2 would get massive audience approval if they did.


GravatarWow. 1:30a.

Should I stay or should I go...


GravatarBut in a weird way, I find it even more
shocking that there are only two living
original Ramones.

Seriously.
steve simels


I was a bit too young for the Beatles... my older sisters caught on to the tail-end of that whole thing, and I soaked in it as a lad (heh). The Ramones were music for my cohort, those graduating from high school in the late '70s... and I never thought they'd be gone before I was 45. I guess that's a good thing... they won't be doing reunion shows and crappy retrospectives when they're fucking 65. And that's probably a good thing.

I just thought they'd be around longer than they were, that's all.
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GravatarI can't understand why Thers is so against this sort of thing.

143 kids. He knows what this sort of thing leads to........


GravatarArt Bell has returned to Coast. He's on now with a really good connection from
the Phillipines.
Ô¿Ô | 06.18.06 - 1:26 am | #


Art Bell is a tool.

He empowers moronic conspiracy nuts,
and he knows it.

He hasn't a shred of credibility, and
he leaves the world a stupider place
than he found it.

C'mon == you don't take him seriously,
do you?


GravatarWhat the hell - enjoy the global warming clip here if you're of a mind.

Apparently some idiot flagged it as possibly objectionable. Wingnut no doubt.


GravatarThey knew it at the time, they were done.

Someone here said they had a studio bootleg of the practice sessions. I'd give cherished parts of my body to obtain a copy.


Gravatar"Junk" is lovely and poignant...

Buy buy, says the sign in the shop window
Why why, says the junk in the yard


GravatarThe Ramones were music for my cohort, those graduating from high school in the late '70s... and I never thought they'd be gone before I was 45.

It's interesting. Sounds like I'm roughly the same age as you, but to me and my pals in high-school they came across as a novelty act...I guess it was that whole nostalgic-sounding girl-group style they had.

But since that time, I've met people who really related to them strongly...passionately, even. Missed out, I guess...but they just never did a thing for me.


GravatarI saw An Inconvenient Truth at a mid-town theater, and it was sold out. NYC loves it some Al Gore.

It was sold out in Mill Valley when I saw it.


GravatarThey knew it at the time, they were done. Few even try to cover it, though if they could nail it, bands like U2 would get massive audience approval if they did.
Max Planck


Paul and his Wings guitarist did it live in the '90s. The Get back tour, I think. (I had a VHS I made of a live broadcast, which had since gone walkies on me). They nailed it pretty good, I thought. Paul can play that shit better than a lot of folx realize. He could have been a Guitar God, if he'd wanted, I think. When you're that multitalented, though, you don't focus like that,I guess.


GravatarSomeone here said they had a studio bootleg of the practice sessions. I'd give cherished parts of my body to obtain a copy. -Toadstool

You can find them regularly on usenet.


GravatarShould I stay or should I go...
Marcia Brady


I'm about ready to go, and it's only 10:30 hereabouts.


GravatarShould I stay or should I go...
Marcia Brady


I'm about ready to go, and it's only 10:30 hereabouts.


GravatarIt was sold out in Mill Valley when I saw it.
flory | 06.18.06 - 1:42 am | #


Oooh, didn't know we were neighbors. Why are we always settling for online sex?


Gravatar"Junk" is lovely and poignant...

Absolutely.

A McCartney throw-away that most
other people would have killed to
have written...


GravatarYou can find them regularly on usenet.

Group? Maybe I can save some parts.


GravatarI'm about ready to go, and it's only 10:30 hereabouts.
flory


Let's go. Shall I spoon you, or do you want to spoon me?


GravatarSteve, you like Sandy Denny, don't you? Have you seen this?


GravatarShould I stay or should I go... -Marcia Brady

The question is, when they kick out your front door, how you gonna come: with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?


GravatarHello MB and Flory


GravatarArt Bell is my hero. You totally don't get it about him.


GravatarLet's go. Shall I spoon you, or do you want to spoon me? -Marcia Brady∞

Flory and Marcia spooning? Fork me!


GravatarArt Bell is my hero. You totally don't get it about him.
Ô¿Ô | 06.18.06 - 1:47 am | #


I sure don't. Seems like another opportunistic right-wing stooge, to me.


GravatarThe question is, when they kick out your front door, how you gonna come: with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?

It may mean that some people may be building castles for houses again.

Have means to slow down the door smashers, while you split out a hidden exit.


GravatarSteve, you like Sandy Denny, don't you? Have you seen this?
Phila | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:46 am | #


I absolutely ADORE Sandy Denny, but
unfortunately I'm on dial-up and
I can't access YouTube.

Alas.


GravatarOooh, didn't know we were neighbors. Why are we always settling for online sex?
Phila


Good question. There has been talk about getting together at a Drinking Liberally.

Where are you?


GravatarSteve, you like Sandy Denny, don't you? Have you seen this?

Has anyone ever clicked on that "Eugene Mirman - Video From The Future" thing? It really is as crappy as it looks. And not in a good way.


GravatarHe was against going to war in Iraq and received alot of flak for it from wingnut listeners.


GravatarI absolutely ADORE Sandy Denny, but
unfortunately I'm on dial-up and
I can't access YouTube.

Alas.
steve simels | 06.18.06 - 1:48 am | #


Watch it when you can. It's pretty phenomenal...it's her playing material from "North Star Ravens" solo.


GravatarWhere are you?
flory | 06.18.06 - 1:49 am | #


Up the road a piece.


GravatarLet's go. Shall I spoon you, or do you want to spoon me?
Marcia Brady


Well now -- there has been mention of online sex. I may just stick around for a bit.....


GravatarArt Bell is my hero. You totally don't get it about him.
Ô¿Ô | 06.18.06 - 1:47 am | #


Oh, stop it.

He's a sub-X-FILES phony.

No fact checking whatsoever.


GravatarWhen you're that multitalented, though, you don't focus like that,I guess.
Elmer, PHD


Paul McCartney was one of the tightest, most melodic, when the score called for it, and most percussive, when it was needed, bass players in the storied history of rock music.

And that's just a fucking fact.


Gravatar absolutely ADORE Sandy Denny, but unfortunately I'm on dial-up and I can't access YouTube.

steve - how are you with hi res scans of your favorite actresses? How about a bit of Rita Hayworth?


GravatarWell now -- there has been mention of online sex. I may just stick around for a bit.....
flory | 06.18.06 - 1:51 am | #


I'm drunk AND shirtless, I'll have you know.


GravatarHe wrote "For No One" and "Here,
There and Everywhere."

Other mortals need not apply.
steve simels

steve, I just did NOT like him. It's one of those things. I think he's not above thievery. I think he's not a decent person. Call it what you like. I'm not a John worshiper, either. Liked George. Ringo's probably the most honest.

But, wtf do I know.


GravatarUp the road a piece.
Phila


Up there in the wine country?


GravatarArt Bell is the greatest talk radio host the world, indeed, the universe, has ever known.


GravatarUp there in the wine country?
flory | 06.18.06 - 1:53 am | #


Close to it.


GravatarPaul McCartney was one of the tightest, most melodic, when the score called for
it, and most percussive, when it was needed, bass players in the storied history
of rock music.

And that's just a fucking fact.
Max Planck | 06.18.06 - 1:52 am | #


Word.

It's too bad the poor old guy is
being taken to the cleaners by his
gold-digging girlfriend, but the
cat wrote some of the best music of
the 20th century. And for that he
deserves our gratitude in perpetuity.

He was a fucking Beatle, for christs
sake.


GravatarUp there in the wine country?
flory | 06.18.06 - 1:53 am | #

Close to it.


I might have to give y'all a heads-up the next time I visit my mom in Sonoma County...


Gravatar
I'm drunk AND shirtless, I'll have you know.


NO FLIRTING.


GravatarBut, wtf do I know.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:53 am | #


Your own mind?


GravatarI think he's not above thievery. I think he's not a decent person.

But he was the *nice* one!


I'm drunk AND shirtless, I'll have you know.
Phila


Yep. I'll be sticking 'round for a bit.

Bye Marcia!


GravatarI might have to give y'all a heads-up the next time I visit my mom in Sonoma County...
Eli | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:55 am | #


Do it. I'll suck your cock to the scrote.


GravatarNO FLIRTING.
Thers, Mighty | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:55 am | #


You are WAY too late.


GravatarI might have to give y'all a heads-up the next time I visit my mom in Sonoma County...
Eli


No "might" about it.


GravatarDo it. I'll suck your cock to the scrote.

Let this be a lesson to you all about how you can be polite but yet avoid the evil that is FLIRTING.


GravatarYour own mind?
Phila

Thanks, Phila. I forget I have a right to it, sometimes...


GravatarHe was a fucking Beatle, for christs
sake.
steve simels | 06.18.06 - 1:55 am | #


I've got nothing against the Beatles. I like 'em fine. But jeez...is it truly a moral obligation to like them or their music?


GravatarDo it. I'll suck your cock to the scrote.
Phila


Hey! I'm over here!!!


GravatarBut he was the *nice* one!

And he had the face of a mischievous angel.


GravatarBut since that time, I've met people who really related to them strongly...passionately, even. Missed out, I guess...but they just never did a thing for me.
Phila


Whelp, I had two older sisters who completely embraced the mid-70s disco thing (I know all those songs by heart, unfortunately) along with the Carpenters, Helen Reddy, America and other crap (to me) like that... so I turned to stuff like Styx, AC/DC, Queen and whatnot (I still know all those songs, too) and then I heard the Ramones... stripped-down and distilled bubblegum pop with a fast three-chord backbone, no lasers, no fog machines, no spandex unitards cut to the bellybutton - just four guys that played fast and hard rock-n-roll without studio engineering... and it was an epiphany... anybody could do this shit, maybe even ME. That had great appeal to this guy, then and there in time.
-


GravatarPhila...wait...you're drunk and shirtless....hmmmm.....Dang!!! Why can't I magically take about 30 yrs off my real age??????


GravatarHey! I'm over here!!!
flory | 06.18.06 - 1:58 am | #


OK. I'll suck your...uh...

Hell, whatever you got, I'll suck it.


GravatarBut, wtf do I know.

Quite a bit.There's an old story about George patiently teaching guitar chords to Lennon.


GravatarZappa- "We're only in it for the Money" was the exclamation point to the Beatles' concept.


GravatarBut jeez...is it truly a moral obligation to like them or their music?

Of course, you bastard. You absolute motherfucker. You will be killed otherwise. BE AFRAID.


GravatarBut jeez...is it truly a moral obligation to like them or their music?

I'd have to say yes. Yes it is.


GravatarDo it. I'll suck your cock to the scrote.

Who could pass up an offer like that?


GravatarPhila...wait...you're drunk and shirtless....hmmmm.....Dang!!! Why can't I magically take about 30 yrs off my real age??????
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:59 am | #


No need! I love you just the way you are (as the smarmy, coked-out, no-talent douchebag Billy Joel once sang).


GravatarOf course, you bastard. You absolute motherfucker. You will be killed otherwise. BE AFRAID.
Thers, Mighty


NO FLIRTING!


Gravatarsteve, I just did NOT like him. It's one of those things. I think he's not above
thievery. I think he's not a decent person. Call it what you like. I'm not a John
worshiper, either. Liked George. Ringo's probably the most honest.

But, wtf do I know.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 1:53 am | #


That's cool.

I think you're wrong, but wtf do
I know.


GravatarI'd have to say yes. Yes it is.
JeffCO | 06.18.06 - 2:00 am | #


OK. Then I fucking hate every note they ever played, as of this moment.


GravatarBut jeez...is it truly a moral obligation to like them or their music?

You must like them, or I'll shoot this dog...

http://www.fishgrease.net/ Lampoo...n_Shoot_Dog.jpg


GravatarArt Bell is my hero. You totally don't get it about him.
Ô¿Ô


We used to have our own home-grown local dude on the radio until the mid-'80s on a show called ET MONITOR... great fun!
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GravatarI love you just the way you are

I really didn't need that earworm.


GravatarI love you just the way you are (as the smarmy, coked-out, no-talent douchebag Billy Joel once sang).
Phila |

dear, believe me, it would be so much better for both of us if I could shed 30 yrs

Trust me on this.


GravatarHe was a fucking Beatle, for christs
sake.
steve simels


I'm so cynical these days of today's pop glory and overnite sensations to the point of puking.

But I kneel at the Beatle altar. Their shit is ground into my brainstem. Maybe I'm too old.


GravatarAnd vocal versatility -- he could sing as sweet as a chorister at Christmas, or scream and growl and carry on -- compare "Til there was you" and "Kansas City," two early covers.

I've been listening to "Meet the Beatles" on my iPod lately. We forget how absolutely *fresh* and different and new they sounded when we first heard them. That sure was a lot of fun, and a long time ago.


GravatarOK. Then I fucking hate every note they ever played, as of this moment. -Phila

You see it all around you - good Phila gone bad.


GravatarTheir shit is ground into my brainstem. Maybe I'm too old.
Max Planck


I think if you were a certain age cohort in the 60's you have no choice but to feel that way about the Beatles. They changed the fucking culture of music.


GravatarI turned to stuff like Styx, AC/DC, Queen and whatnot (I still know all those songs, too) and then I heard the Ramones... stripped-down and distilled bubblegum pop with a fast three-chord backbone, no lasers, no fog machines, no spandex unitards cut to the bellybutton - just four guys that played fast and hard rock-n-roll without studio engineering... and it was an epiphany... anybody could do this shit, maybe even ME. That had great appeal to this guy, then and there in time.

I loved AC/DC myself when I was 12 -13, and I can relate to what you're saying...but it was the bubblegum side of the Ramones that alienated me. Not my cup of tea at all. When I got into punk, I liked the more sloppy, kinda deconstructionist approach of bands like Flipper or Chrome. Or even Throbbing Gristle, for that matter.


GravatarZappa- "We're only in it for the Money" was the exclamation point to the
Beatles' concept.
Mr.Murder | 06.18.06 - 1:59 am | #


Zappa, as brilliant as he was -- and
on the side of the angels -- was
a hugely full of shit, sanctimonious,
piece of jealous prick who only wished
he was as talented as the people he
satirized.

As symbolized by his snarky version of
"Stairway to Heaven," a song he
only wished he had written.

Fuck the snide bastard.


GravatarThe first 8-track I ever owned was a two-pack called "Beatles '61 - '65" or something... I played the shit out of those...

(The second 8-track I ever owned was NAZERETH's HAIR OF THE DOG that some dude threw out of his Camaro at me while I was riding my bike... the tape was broken, so I took the 8-track apart and SCOTCH-TAPED it together and played the shit out of it...)
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GravatarSimels, you're just jealous of Zappa because he co-opted Ringo.


GravatarThe first 8-track I ever owned was a two-pack called "Beatles '61 - '65" or something... I played the shit out of those...

The only 8 track I remember owning was Allman Brothers Eat a Peach.


GravatarWhen I got into punk, I liked the more sloppy, kinda deconstructionist approach of bands like Flipper or Chrome. Or even Throbbing Gristle, for that matter.

See, I found the bubblegum more appealing, as more dangerous, somehow.


GravatarSee, I found the bubblegum more appealing, as more dangerous, somehow.

It might get into your hair, f'rinstance.


GravatarMy older brother recorded a bunch of early Beatles onto an 8-track that I played for years from as early as I can remember. Some songs I still can't hear without expecting them to fade out *click* and in again.


GravatarI think if you were a certain age cohort in the 60's you have no choice but to feel that way about the Beatles. They changed the fucking culture of music.
flory | 06.18.06 - 2:05 am | #


Oh, I was raised on them. In fact, they were pretty much the only rock music we had in the house, 'cause my parents were /jazz/classical/folk snobs. I don't even own any of their records, 'cause I feel like I know 'em backwards and forwards.

Actually, though, I heard some demo stuff a while back, and it was pretty fascinating. That stuff is so monolithic and irreducible...very interesting to hear it actually being constructed.


GravatarZappa- "We're only in it for the Money" was the exclamation point to the
Beatles' concept.
Mr.Murder


The Mothers actually had a fight over that album. The suits forced them to put their Sgt. Pepper send up photo on the inside sleeve.

I appreciate Zappa, and I wish he was around now, but his laffy album wouldn't have meant shit without the Beatles


GravatarThe first 8-track I ever owned was a two-pack called "Beatles '61 - '65" or something... I played the shit out of those...

Beatles 65. First track, "I Feel Fine"
Jeebus, I'm fucking old.


GravatarThe vigorous circular motion was every Jimmy Page solo rolled into one...


GravatarJeez, all you have to say is the title: "I Feel Fine" and I hear that chord.


GravatarI think if you were a certain age cohort in the 60's you have no choice but to feel that way about the Beatles. They changed the fucking culture of music.
flory

you are 100% right about that. It was a cultural earthquake. Nothing was the same afterwards. Everything was brand spanking new. My criticisms of Sir Paul are more personal than anything else - and, honestly, I liked his music til he want out of his own, married Linda, let her sing with him etc etc etc. His music (IMHO) became increasingly commercial and BORING, and he just seemed to be more and more inlove w/himself.

But what he and the rest of the Fab Four accomplished, historically, was phenomenal. No one can take that wway from them, period. Abd I most certainly would not even try, or think to. They deserve all those accolades, and more.


GravatarSee, I found the bubblegum more appealing, as more dangerous, somehow.
Thers, Mighty | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:08 am | #


It wasn't danger that appealed to me...it was...

I don't know, but it wasn't that. It was some kind of liberation, I suppose. The idea of chaos was very appealing to me back then, but in a generally positive, euphoric sort of way.


GravatarBut I kneel at the Beatle altar. Their shit is ground into my brainstem. Maybe I'm too old.

I've bought a 100 CD changer six years ago. The first 25 discs I put in are Beatles CDs. I've never taken them out. I almost certainly listen to them more than the rest of my CD collection combined, which is of the order of about 400 albums.

I've listened to their albums hundreds of times, and they never get old. Indeed, even now I still find new things to latch onto, a guitar solo here, a background riff there. It's a constant case of discovery and rediscovery.


GravatarOkay, favorite Beatles song.

"Here Comes the Sun."


GravatarOh, I was raised on them. In fact, they were pretty much the only rock music we had in the house, 'cause my parents were /jazz/classical/folk snobs

Phila:
Dunno how old you are, but being raised with the music and being raised while the music was being made are two different things, I think. Their impact was more than musical, it was cultural.


Gravatarhere it goes now the vigorous circular motion...

rub it...


Gravatara hugely full of shit, sanctimonious,
piece of jealous prick who only wished
he was as talented as the people he
satirized.


Steve, you are eternally A-OK in my book.


GravatarI loved AC/DC myself when I was 12 -13, and I can relate to what you're saying...but it was the bubblegum side of the Ramones that alienated me. Not my cup of tea at all. When I got into punk, I liked the more sloppy, kinda deconstructionist approach of bands like Flipper or Chrome. Or even Throbbing Gristle, for that matter.
Phila


For a long time I didn't like the California Punk scene stuff, even though I was an avid skateboarder... until I heard Rodney on the ROCQ stuff... Agent Orange, JFA, and the Dead Kennedys, etc., etc....

I'm leaving out a lot of "New Wave"-type stuff like Wall of Voodoo, DEVO, Echo and the Bunnymen, the Cars, and oh jeeze, a bunch of other stuff. But I really liked the Ramones and then the Clash. I miss them both a lot. Oooh and Television, and and and and...
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Gravatar
Actually, though, I heard some demo stuff a while back, and it was pretty fascinating. That stuff is so monolithic and irreducible...very interesting to hear it actually being constructed.


You ever listen to Guided By Voices's record Alien Lanes? Pollard says he wanted to make a record that sounded like a fake compilation of third-generation Beatles studio bootlegs...


GravatarJeez, all you have to say is the title: "I Feel Fine" and I hear that chord. -strawhat

The opening chord of A Hard Day's Night can also evoke an entire era.


GravatarOkay, favorite Beatles song.

"Here Comes the Sun."


"While My Guitar Gently Weeps".


Gravatar"Here Comes the Sun."
strawhat


Couldn't pick a favorite to save my life.


GravatarPhila:
Dunno how old you are, but being raised with the music and being raised while the music was being made are two different things, I think. Their impact was more than musical, it was cultural.
flory | 06.18.06 - 2:14 am | #


Well, I remember the later LPs being released, and I grew up very much in the hippie subculture. But yeah, you're quite right that it's very different from being, say, a teenager when those LPs were coming out.


GravatarThe other day I was puttering around in the garden, iPod in my ear, and "An Octopus' Garden" came up. Well, I hadn't heard that in God knows how long. Just how stoned *were* they when they wrote & recorded that? And how much fun were they having?


GravatarSimels, what of the notion that the Beatles were essentially the pop predecessor of the Beach Boys?


GravatarBut what he and the rest of the Fab Four accomplished, historically, was
phenomenal. No one can take that wway from them, period. Abd I most certainly
would not even try, or think to. They deserve all those accolades, and more.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:12 am | #


Word, kiddo.

I think we can agree on that.


Gravatar
I don't know, but it wasn't that. It was some kind of liberation, I suppose. The idea of chaos was very appealing to me back then, but in a generally positive, euphoric sort of way.


Sure. I remember the moment I realized that poems don't really need to start with capital letters...


GravatarThe mind is the most powerful force in the universe.


GravatarJust how stoned *were* they when they wrote & recorded that? And how much fun were they having?
strawhat


Hee. I listened to that the very first time I ever got stoned!!!


GravatarOkay, favorite Beatles song.

For me, somedays it's "I'm a Loser", and on others it's "Dear Prudence".


GravatarCouldn't pick a favorite to save my life.
flory


In MY Life is a treasure.


GravatarWell, it appears the online sex is over with, so I guess I'll go to bed.

Night all.....


GravatarBut I really liked the Ramones and then the Clash. I miss them both a lot. Oooh and Television, and and and and...
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MisterX | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:15 am | #


I liked the Clash and Television for a while, but it didn't stick with me over the years. Actually, a lot of the stuff I listened to back then doesn't sound so good to me now...I couldn't get through a Joy Division LP to save my life. I still listen to the Fall pretty often, and the second and third X albums. And a couple other things.

Agent Orange...jeez, I used to have some record by them. The one with "Everything Turns Grey" on it...


Gravatarpoems don't really need to start with capital letters...

Nor necessarily contain the phrase brute froth holes, but try telling that to some people.


GravatarMy older brother recorded a bunch of early Beatles onto an 8-track that I played for years from as early as I can remember. Some songs I still can't hear without expecting them to fade out *click* and in again.
JeffCO


HA! Yeah that's something that's lost. I remember that I had someBowie 8-track that played the songs in "album order", without breaks in the middle of songs, so instead there was this like 3 minute gap where we just listened to the hisssss until it went to the next track...

Remember carefully shoving a matchpack under an 8-track in your car stereo so that it played better? That's a lost skill, like chipping flint arrowheads...
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GravatarSimels, what of the notion that the Beatles were essentially the pop predecessor
of the Beach Boys?
Mr.Murder | 06.18.06 - 2:18 am | #


Wow...interesting concept, and I
have no idea what my answer would
be.

I adore the Beach Boys, of course.

Let me think about it for a tad.


GravatarZappa could have been an orchestra chair if need be.

The Beatles door was opened for them by American blues artists.


GravatarMr.Murder -- can I pipe up? Other way around. The Beach Boys had already been big for some time in the US when the Beatles were just starting to break out. (I know, my sisters had BB albums before Beatles albums.) As for the musicological part of it -- I bow to the experts. I've heard that Rubber Soul was responsive to Pet Sounds (or was that the other way around?).


GravatarOkay, favorite Beatles song.

Probably something from "Rubber Soul." Reminds me of being a little kid.


GravatarOkay, favorite Beatles song.
"Here Comes the Sun."


A Harrison tune. Sinatra once said the greatest love song ever written was "Something", another Harrison tune. For what it's worth, I guess.
No, not Buffalo Springfield...


GravatarSimels, what of the notion that the Beatles were essentially the pop predecessor
of the Beach Boys?
Mr.Murder


Mr. Murder, I think you got yer time machine bollocks up.

Though Back In The USSR is a wonderful homage to the Boys.


GravatarRemember carefully shoving a matchpack under an 8-track in your car stereo so that it played better? That's a lost skill, like chipping flint arrowheads...


Folding a an envelope or cardboard, a different trick for a different 8 track...


GravatarSimels, what of the notion that the Beatles were essentially the pop predecessor of the Beach Boys?

The Beatles were a predecessor? The Beach Boys first album came out in 1962, around the same time as "Love Me Do". The Beatles first album didn't come out until 1963.


GravatarI still listen to Adrenalin OD's Humungusfungusamongus a lot... because it shreds.


GravatarFavorite isn't really even relevant with them - depends on the mood and lots of other stuff. If I hear Things We Said Today I instantly recall singing it to my girlfriend on a date over 25 years ago. Lots of those kind of emotional memories with the Beatles.


GravatarHA! Yeah that's something that's lost. I remember that I had someBowie 8-track that played the songs in "album order", without breaks in the middle of songs, so instead there was this like 3 minute gap where we just listened to the hisssss until it went to the next track...

There's a Tom Petty CD where he sheepishly pops in to announce that this would normally be the spot where you would turn it over if it were a tape. Some kind of strange egalitarian impulse, IIRC...


GravatarI still listen to Adrenalin OD's Humungusfungusamongus a lot... because it shreds.
Thers, Mighty | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:25 am | #


And plus, you've gotta take a break from SOD once in a while...


GravatarI've heard that Rubber Soul was responsive to Pet Sounds (or was that the other way around?).

Rubber Soul (1965) inspired Pet Sounds (1966), which in turn inspired Sgt. Pepper (1967).


GravatarSeems like the bands were meshed... each different sides of the same coin to me.

Household was raised in CA during the surf heydays so I heard the beach Boys a lot, and the generation before was Elvis.

Most of my friends fromt he era were big on the Beatles but moved on and are big time Crimson fans.


GravatarThers, I was re-reading part of "Pascalian Meditations" this afternoon. That's some very high-quality low-key invective, there.


GravatarThere's a Tom Petty CD where he sheepishly pops in to announce that this would normally be the spot where you would turn it over if it were a tape.

"Wildflowers". Great album.


GravatarThinking of how many musicians have been influenced by them is not even funny. I currently love stuff like Belle & Sebastian and Badly Drawn Boy but can't imagine they'd be what they are without the Beatles.


GravatarAgent Orange...jeez, I used to have some record by them. The one with "Everything Turns Grey" on it...
Phila

Heh. "When You Least Expect It... Agent Orange"...
Now I listen to stuff like Robocop Krause, Franz Ferdinand, etc., etc...

Best Beatles song?
For the Benefit of Mr. Kite - calliope!!! in a rock song!!!
Come Together
Hard Day's Night
Eight Days a Week

But probably the best and one I can still listen to over and over:

A Day In The Life

'Nuff said.
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GravatarRubber Soul (1965) inspired Pet Sounds (1966), which in turn inspired Sgt. Pepper (1967). -Richard

And God only knows just how many more.


GravatarMost of my friends fromt he era were big on the Beatles but moved on and are big time Crimson fans.

Procol Harum.


GravatarI currently love stuff like Belle & Sebastian and Badly Drawn Boy but can't imagine they'd be what they are without the Beatles.
JeffCO | 06.18.06 - 2:30 am | #


I don't get B & S at all. Don't know BDB.

Speaking of modern pop stuff, I like this German gal named Barbara Morgenstern a fair amount, and I'm irritated to learn that she just played here like three days ago...I'm a dope for not noticing....


GravatarWas just before my time, so I'm not certain of who started first but it seemed like the entire studio war exchange was such an item. Each band basically playing off the other's influence.

The lyrics are as much fun as anything in the music for the Beatles. That is the hook to me.

Beach Boys were just super fuzzy tuned up superengineered.

Both had studio wonk phases and always possessed their own brand of vocals.


Hendrix had both of them beat to me. The Experience had more production value in them. Axis was like a musical apex.


GravatarWas just before my time, so I'm not certain of who started first but it seemed like the entire studio war exchange was such an item. Each band basically playing off the other's influence.

The lyrics are as much fun as anything in the music for the Beatles. That is the hook to me.

Beach Boys were just super fuzzy tuned up superengineered.

Both had studio wonk phases and always possessed their own brand of vocals.


Hendrix had both of them beat to me. The Experience had more production value in them. Axis was like a musical apex.


GravatarSpeaking of modern pop stuff, I like this German gal named Barbara Morgenstern a fair amount

Rhoda's sister?


GravatarHendrix had both of them beat to me. The Experience had more production value in them. Axis was like a musical apex.
Mr.Murder


Ooooh, great stuff!

Just
ask
the axis.
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GravatarNow I listen to stuff like Robocop Krause, Franz Ferdinand, etc., etc...

Modern stuff...let's see, I like Dengue Fever, the new Neko Case thing, the aforementioned Ms. Morgenstern...Lali Puna are pretty good, too.

I wish I could find more new stuff to listen to, 'cause my iPod has a heavy, heavy bias towards 1927 and that stuff isn't really the best driving music...


GravatarAnd on that note, I'm off to the
arms of ....whoever.

See you in the AM...


GravatarLeonard Bernstein (composer / conductor): "Three bars of "A Day In The Life" still sustain me, rejuvinate me, inflame my senses and sensibilities"
(from Geoffrey Stokes' book The Beatles, published '79)


GravatarSo I should wax enthusiastic again about seeing Ms. Case up close and personal last night? Damn she has a voice on her. Sometimes artists have trouble here because of the altitude, but she never missed a note.


GravatarModern stuff...let's see, I like Dengue Fever, the new Neko Case thing, the aforementioned Ms. Morgenstern...Lali Puna are pretty good, too.

I wish I could find more new stuff to listen to, 'cause my iPod has a heavy, heavy bias towards 1927 and that stuff isn't really the best driving music...
Phila


Yeah, you recommended Dengue Fever and Lali Puna before to me... and I absorbed that into my personal playlist... have you ever listened to Supercar? Really cool stuff with incredible videos - sadly they've split up recently...
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GravatarSo I should wax enthusiastic again about seeing Ms. Case up close and personal last night? Damn she has a voice on her. Sometimes artists have trouble here because of the altitude, but she never missed a note.
JeffCO


That was the coolest story I've heard in a long time... great memory for you!
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GravatarI wish I could find more new stuff to listen to

There are buttloads of decent student stations all over the country streaming new stuff, though they're not always great about back-announcing.


GravatarSo I should wax enthusiastic again about seeing Ms. Case up close and personal last night? Damn she has a voice on her.

She's a good lyricist, too, IMO.

I've never heard her first LP...didn't much like "Furnace Room Lullaby," and I figured it'd have a similar sound. Is it any good, in your opinion? I like the other two just fine.


GravatarThere are buttloads of decent student stations all over the country streaming new stuff, though they're not always great about back-announcing.
JeffCO | 06.18.06 - 2:40 am | #


No, I know how to find new stuff, no problem. I just mean I wish I liked more of it.


GravatarI was re-reading part of "Pascalian Meditations" this afternoon. That's some very high-quality low-key invective, there.

It's all very funny. Also, there is a lot of infighting -- one of the things that PB did that apparently pissed people off royally was to actually try to study French Academia... Homo Academicus is one of my favorite books ever, but it just drips acid.

Anyway, PB was also a provincial: a very smart countryman. He always emphasized his Bernaise background and that wasn't exactly Parisienne...


Gravatarhave you ever listened to Supercar? Really cool stuff with incredible videos - sadly they've split up recently...
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MisterX | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:39 am | #


Nope...I'll check into it.


GravatarThat was the coolest story I've heard in a long time... great memory for you!

First time I saw Beth Orton at a tiny club in Denver I told her that she looked a lot like my HS girlfriend and I'd had a crush on her since seeing her first video. She punched me in the arm and said "Awww, shit happens."

I am a total sucker for a woman with a voice.


GravatarNight, bats, and I know I'll be adding to my iPod tomorrow.


GravatarHi, I'm a World Cup referee and I suck dog dicks


GravatarI wish I could find more new stuff to listen to, 'cause my iPod has a heavy, heavy bias towards 1927 and that stuff isn't really the best driving music...

Try the Old 97's. Fun, light stuff - good for driving. Mr. Geo downloaded "the new kid" for free.


GravatarI just mean I wish I liked more of it. -Phila

Ahh, of course. Have you considered pondering whether you're turning into your parents? That usually pushes people a bit.


GravatarAnyway, PB was also a provincial: a very smart countryman. He always emphasized his Bernaise background and that wasn't exactly Parisienne...
Thers, Mighty | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 2:43 am | #


That definitely comes through. His dismissal of UC-Santa Cruz is very funny, and horribly accurate.

And again, it reminded me how comical it was that Goldstein and his flying monkeys were calling you "postmodern" for critiquing him via Bourdieu. Poor fuckin' saps.


GravatarLookalikes- Majikthise and Cowboy Junkies'lead singer...


GravatarAlso - the Klezmer All Stars are fun.


GravatarI've never heard her first LP...

Me neither- mostly I've been listening to Blacklisted and Fox Confessor (which I really really like).

Have you heard Patricia Barber?


GravatarHERE's Supercar's "Be"... very disturbing video on crappy crappy YouTube...

And HERE's Supercar's "White Surf Style Five" video on crappy YouTube... very enjoyable... you really have to watch this one...
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GravatarAhh, of course. Have you considered pondering whether you're turning into your parents? That usually pushes people a bit.
JeffCO | 06.18.06 - 2:45 am | #


Nah. My father listens mostly to the jazz he listened to in his youth, but I've never been that way. I hear a good deal of what comes out, and I always find a few things I like. I'm just horribly fincky about voices, lyrics, etc.


Gravatarone of the things that PB did that apparently pissed people off royally was to actually try to study French Academia... Homo Academicus is one of my favorite books ever, but it just drips acid.

I'm glad you re-introduced him to me.


GravatarHee hee. In Homo Academicus he calls academic peer reviews something like "evidence of a consipracy wherein everybody conspires to conceal from everyone truths known to all."

Pretty bracing stuff.


GravatarMy balls are the most powerful force in the universe.


GravatarSupergrass are OK, I guess. And there was a Broadcast LP I kinda liked.

I dunno...there's a lot of stuff I think is good in kind of an abstract sense, but I'm not actually driven to listen to it.

Fox Confessor (which I really really like).

The last song's kind of a dud, but the rest of it's pretty solid, IMO. If the whole thing were as good as the first three songs it'd be terrifyingly good.


GravatarThe last song's kind of a dud, but the rest of it's pretty solid, IMO

I like it fine - reminds me of a slightly peppier Cowboy Junkies - but I think That Teenage Feeling is my favorite.


GravatarI fucked Beth Orton


GravatarAnd HERE's Supercar's "White Surf Style Five" video on crappy YouTube... very enjoyable... you really have to watch this one...

Pretty funny stuff!


GravatarGD2 --

read at least the first few chapters of Homo Academicus.

One of the things he says is that academia is really the last surviving medieval economic institution (you even see this in the silly graduation outfits)...


GravatarTaylor Hicks is the hottest thing going right now


GravatarHee hee. In Homo Academicus he calls academic peer reviews something like "evidence of a consipracy wherein everybody conspires to conceal from everyone truths known to all."

Pretty bracing stuff.
Thers, Mighty |


He must watch a lot of network news.


GravatarI am OUT THERE!


Gravatar
He must watch a lot of network news.


Is is his argument in the book On Television...


GravatarOne of the things he says is that academia is really the last surviving medieval economic institution (you even see this in the silly graduation outfits)...

Well, the only reason I'm doing this is for the puffy wizzard hat.

I'll have to get Homo Academicus from the library - it sounds like a kick.


GravatarMister X, it's possible you'd like this.

(I'm kinda noncommital about it, personally. But I do like a few of their songs.)


GravatarThers,

do you know of any authors or books that ntodd might like reading? I want to send him something fun.

I think he said somewhere that he likes sci fi?


GravatarI fucked all the chicks in Sleater-Kinney. I converted them.


GravatarBobo's World, Georgia Edition:
DECATUR - Four law enforcement officers have been indicted on a variety of charges including smuggling drugs into the county jail and lying on a police report. All four are charged with felonies.

Zachary Kronenberger, a four-year officer with the DeKalb County Police Department, is accused of violating his oath by trying to bribe another officer to fix a traffic ticket.

DeKalb County Officer Mark Maphet was charged with drunken driving and criminal damage to property stemming from an off-duty dispute over a parking spot last December, police said.

DeKalb County sheriff's Deputy Jimmy Lee Butler Jr., who was fired in November 2005, is accused of bringing drugs, tobacco and other banned items to the county jail.

Doraville police officer Bill E. Carty is accused of filing a false report.


GravatarGoodness, some little boy is lonesome tonight. Anyway, I'm out - thanks for another lovely evening!


GravatarGeoduck, how can I get this CD of mid-1920s blues stuff to you? If you're one of these "no address" folks (like me), I can e-mail you MP3s. You could even set up an account just for that purpose...


GravatarHello, jack.

It's your worst nightmare.

Someone who can find you.

jack is the first.

The list is long!


GravatarPhila,

I'll e-mail you right now. I keep on forgetting to do that.

That would be great - thanks so much!


GravatarI've a ton of Gmail invites, if anyone needs one for file transfer purposes. 2 gigabytes of storage. JUST the thing for a CD of MP3s.

tuckerch@gmail.com

Just ask.


Gravatarthe most unexpected song I ever heard at a funeral was the Beatles' Revolution #9. (not really a song, per se) Very surreal.


GravatarPhila,

ok - I'm techno- illiterate. How do I e-mail you?


GravatarPhila, geoduck2, email me at tuckerch@gmail.com and I'll hook you up with Gmail accounts.


Gravatar(I'm kinda noncommital about it, personally. But I do like a few of their songs.)
Phila


Wow! Great vocals! I'll have to check them out...

Check THIS out... I can't decide if I like this or not...
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GravatarI'll e-mail you right now. I keep on forgetting to do that.

That would be great - thanks so much!
geoduck2 | 06.18.06 - 3:05 am | #


Click the link at the bottom of my homepage.


GravatarWow! Great vocals! I'll have to check them out...

The poor thing is tone-deaf, live. But such is life.

"Tender Buttons" has a four or five good songs on it, IIRC.


GravatarG'night, dears. Sleep tight. Dream well and sweetly. Awake refreshed and ready to take on whatever needs to be dealt with. May you love, smile, laugh, feel.

Thanks for letting me be among you for yet another day.

SD


GravatarPhila, geoduck2, email me at tuckerch@gmail.com and I'll hook you up with Gmail accounts.
Chris Tucker | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 3:09 am | #


So you think the paranoia some folks have about gmail is unjustified, I guess? Good to know.


GravatarCheck THIS out... I can't decide if I like this or not...
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MisterX | Homepage | 06.18.06 - 3:10 am | #


Couldn't get it to load.

Jeez, I didn't know Touch and Go was still around...


Gravatarand I'll hook you up with Gmail accounts.

Thanks - I just couldn't find the e-mail link on Phila's home page. I finally figured it out! (i think.)


Jack,

I can't help but wonder about the lyrics Corin would write about trolls on liberal blogs.


GravatarGoodnight, Sarah


GravatarI'm gonna go back to the soul-annihilating drudgery of drinking rum cocktails, eating absinthe-infused chocolates, and doing crossword puzzles.

But I do want to give a plug for the American Experience documentary on Coney Island circa 1906, which is finally on DVD and even more heart-stoppingly beautiful than I remembered.


GravatarJeez, I didn't know Touch and Go was still around...
Phila


It's Coco Rosie's "Noah's Ark" (I think) and it takes a while to load...

Earworm or cool? I just don't know...
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Gravatarcheck this out
http://www.etherealmotionpicture...com/ OweAku.html


Gravatar"So you think the paranoia some folks have about gmail is unjustified, I guess? Good to know."

Universal paranoia about ANY email provider is justified today, and should be enough to tell you how to use email, as an unsecured channel.

Like telephone you assume anyone could be listening to it. It does not mean you don't use it, but be aware what and what should not be said there.


Gravataryes, I need to go to sleep too.


goodnight all.


GravatarDoesn't seem to have come through, GD. I'll write it out backwards to confound 'bots.

moc.oohay@ainooffub


GravatarG'night, folks. Pleasant dreams.


Gravatarphila,

I'm going to try to send it again.


GravatarG'night, all...

And thanks, Phila, I appreciate the music recommendations. I really liked "Where Do You Want To Go?" and sent it to a bunch of folks last month or whatever...


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Gravatarhey, ya wanna know what's gross????????

amanda marcotte's man-boobs.


GravatarRE: Gmail.

If I were to use Gmail for anything of a sensitive nature, I'd just attach a PGP file. But then, that's just me.

Look, the Feds can already monitor your email with the coerced cooperation of your ISP. That's more worrisome than some bot at Google scanning your bitstream for keywords that might lead to you getting an ad or two on your inbox screen.

Someone sends someone else a password protected ZIP file via Gmail, well, it's one among millions every day. And if that ZIP file contains a PGP encrypted file, well, hard cheese for the Google bots and the NSA/FBI.

Gmail is certainly good enough for a CD of music or a video file.

The way I see it is that every byte I send/receive can and is monitored. 99.99% of those bytes, I don't care about. The rest pass through PGP first.

Pretty Good Privacy, don't leave home without it!

http://www.pgpi.org/

Get your FREE personal encryption software today. Tomorrow may be too late.


GravatarIf you could photoshop Chimpy's face on this image I believe we may get an idea of how he looked in his protective gear.
Holden Caulfield

No pic, but I'll have to defer to WT in any case, I've got to do some law talkin' guy stuff.
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Goat story bush should be photoshopped between the sick face flak jacket photo op flying to Baghdad. To show calm and Leadership!


GravatarHappy July 4th to all of you. I just made a flash game where uncle Sam is seen throwing knives at Joe Lieberman called Back Stabbing Lieberman. Check it out at my site here: http://zenwire.com/flashmedia-li...a- lieberman.php. There are also other games there: bush rampage, bush-rice-terror, bush shootout, dancing bush and Blair and other political games as well. Feel free to comment for I plan to make more.

Anyways, back to the meaning of July 4th for my kids.

I was watching all the fireworks outside with my kids, and my 8 year old daughter asked me to explain what was Independence day all about. I gave her the story about colonial settlers under British rule and how we united with help to fight off the Brits and finally won our independence for the right to self rule. And when I told her that this is when our founding fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence, and she asked me what was that? I did not remember most of the words, but incredibly my wife did and we utter some of those magic words together. I told her that when I was a kid and read those words, I thought that they were the most beautifully written words I had ever read. And I told her that the meaning and values of that document was why I love America so much; this was the country that taught me what it meant to be equal and fair, good and just. But I also told her that half of it is no longer true, and my son, a typical Nintendo kid, interjected: “You mean, like Bush.” I did not even have to reply or convince him, somehow he already knew. In a way I should be glad that even my kids can see what is going on, but somehow I actually felt sad. Sad because they don’t know the full weight and tremendous implications of those words written so long ago. Sad because they don’t realize the power of words and the actions they can generate; and those specific words were so powerful that countless men have willingly died through the eons in their fleeting attempt to manifest and live out those words and its ideals. And sad because I grew up in a world full of idealistic ideas and enthusiasm, teaching us to not only help and improve ourselves, but all of humanity and mankind as well. Reaching the moon and back was just a small sampling of things to come. I am what I am is because of these words and it makes me sad to realize that my kids will not have these words and the absolute belief and trust in those very words (inscribed by our founding fathers) to guide and instill in them a sense of justice and equality. They know the world is not fair and they will never expect it to be fair. I have always hoped the world will be so, but I can no longer say this with a straight face to my kids that the world will be this way when they grow up or if it will ever even get any closer to those ideals; just like the moon is no longer feasible to travel to anymore, there is easy money to be made elsewhere subjugating the people of this planet.
More in then next post....


GravatarAfter reading the Declaration of Independence at this site: http://www.law.indiana.edu/ uslaw...eclaration.html, it struck me that I was wrong in telling my daughter that half of it was no longer true. I actually thought that most of it is no longer true. For brevity, skipping the preamble and just going through the grievances, I saw many justifiable grievances then that equally apply to now, the year 2006. Just read them for yourselves and see how many of them our government is guilty of or in the process of taking those very same rights away. I will mark the ones I feel they are guilty of.

Guilty: He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
Guilty: He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
Guilty: He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
Guilty: He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
Guilty: He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
Guilty: He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
Guilty: He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
Guilty: He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
Guilty: He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.
Guilty: He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
Guilty: He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
Guilty: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
Guilty: For protecting them, by a m


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