I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Bush presidency: FIERY WRECK!
Second, too?
Shall I go for a triple?
There she goes! There's the play at the plate! Oh my God, I think she's gonna make it!
Good job, res.
But there's no one there to cheer her in her moment of triumph.
Thank you, SSP.
A homerun! The Mets win the World Series!
I'd like to play Laura in the remake.
Cold, neglected bitches are mainstays in my oeuvre.
go res! go res!
OT, but wasn't the military presence in Saudi Arabia part of the radicalizing of Osama bin Ladin that led to our country being attacked with airplanes killing 3,000 civilians?
permanent bases in Iraq make us safer HOW?
Bush - staying the bloody course
I'm thinking of joining up. Does Casey allow zithers in Baghdad?
Instawanker does a kinda sorta critique of TNR
Despite this, however, Peretz doesn't really understand the game, and tries to refute charges of being right-wing by pointing out his positions on issues like gay marriage or abortion. Trust me, that doesn't work.
This nonsense has fucking got to stop
People should be made to understand that.
I think they understand Iraq is not a friendly environment.
What people don't understand is that we are staying there, even if we "cut 'n' run." Nobody in Congress is going to cut off funding for permanent bases. Just as nobody in Congress has any idea how much we've spent there.
Nor do they seem to care.
I don't really have an opinion on that as I don't really have an opinion on the appropriateness of the dozens of other military bases we have around the world.
A base in an unfriendly country should really be called a fortress, which describes our Green Zone to a T.
the iraq thing is actually quite simple
Keep sending soldiers, and more soldiers will die
Stop sending soldiers, and no more soldiers will die
What a blowhard way to say we should leave iraq. because we cant afford it finacially, politically or strategically...
Jesus fucking christ, no wonder our trailer dwelling fellow citizens hate liberals.....
get out of iraq iraq -- i said.
but wasn't the military presence in Saudi Arabia part of the radicalizing of Osama bin Ladin that led to our country being attacked with airplanes killing 3,000 civilians?
I have never believed that to be the true cause of OBL's hatred of America. He is simply the same as every other meglomaniac in world history; he wants power.
catch you all laters
dinner is nearly ready here at Casa Jordan 
Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever, while largely dominated by the fact that his ego is entirely invested in the project, is actually due in part to Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever.
Exactly. And if it kills and maims thousands and thousands of Americans and Iraquis, if it bankrupts America and breaks our Army, if it makes the whole world hate us and destabalizes the entire Middel East, if it requires torture to prevent Bush from losing face for his lies, well, that's juts the price that all the rest of us are going to have to pay and pay and pay. Should have rioted in the streets back in 2000.
Like me, Mo Do's back and today she take on National "Security" in "We Need Chloe!"
Maybe having permanent bases in Iraq is a grand idea, or would be if they were actually operating in a peaceful environment. I don't really have an opinion on that as I don't really have an opinion on the appropriateness of the dozens of other military bases we have around the world.
Still, I think it is necessary to point out that Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever, while largely dominated by the fact that his ego is entirely invested in the project, is actually due in part to Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever. That's a rather costly choice we're making as it isn't exactly a peaceful environment. People should be made to understand that.
Jeez, Atrios is so shrill. The viciousness and bile expressed in this post...it's just sickening.
This sort of irrational, screeching, hate-filled diatribe is precisely why Democrats will never win another election.
What a blowhard way to say we should leave iraq. because we cant afford it finacially, politically or strategically...
Jesus fucking christ, no wonder our trailer dwelling fellow citizens hate liberals.....
get out of iraq iraq -- i said.
Oh! I know what you should do! You should bite me!
one of the problems with permanent bases is that there is NO way anyone in the M.E. is going to think there is anything "benevolent" about our presence (empire or not).
regarding our other bases around the world - atrios, it's NOT dozens - it's HUNDREDS! over 700 bases (not counting those in the usa or usa territories), and that's just the ones publically acknowledged.
http://www.commondreams.org/view...s04/0115-
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this, from chalmers johnson, is already out of date (jan, 2004), but gives a good intro (really recommend his books)....
"As distinct from other peoples, most Americans do not recognize -- or do not want to recognize -- that the United States dominates the world through its military power. Due to government secrecy, our citizens are often ignorant of the fact that our garrisons encircle the planet. This vast network of American bases on every continent except Antarctica actually constitutes a new form of empire -- an empire of bases with its own geography not likely to be taught in any high school geography class. Without grasping the dimensions of this globe-girdling Baseworld, one can't begin to understand the size and nature of our imperial aspirations or the degree to which a new kind of militarism is undermining our constitutional order."
As bad as it is now, it is going to get worst. Most of the carnage is directed at the Iraqis, Sunni and Shia. We're really just kind of a by-product. When they finish with each other, they'll come after us. That's when the fun will start. As we've learned from Falujah, we can't take over a city if the inhabitants don't want us there. Not enough police power in the world.
Keep sending soldiers, and more soldiers will die
Stop sending soldiers, and no more soldiers will die
I don't think keeping soldiers from dying is one of Junta Boy's policy objectives.
In George Bush's America, we're just the help.
Some of the help is in uniform, that's all.
Bush's desire to stay in Iraq ia also partly due to the fact that as soon as the troops come home, he's fair game, even from the Wingnut base, and he knows it.
See what happens when a stupid white trash family gets enough money to send their son to the finest schools. He read history, than the family (and family friends) buys him the WH seat.
He didn't learn anything but he did get excited about all the old tales of the ancient warlike empires and now wants one himself.
Jesus fucking christ, no wonder our trailer dwelling fellow citizens hate liberals.....
I know. They come to Eschaton looking for moral and political guidance, and instead they get all this Frenchified sissy stuff.
I'm sick and tired of bloggers thinking they can express themselves in their own words to the audience that actually reads them. It's so elitist. Why don't they write other, better stuff that everyone can enjoy?
MoDo and Hecate are both onto something!
holy crap. as much as I hate linking to Malkin, it seems fascism really is on the rise.
And it's pouring in lower Manhattan, thwarting my plans to go outside.
Seriously...why can't Atrios be more like whomever's reading him at a given moment?
The base of a primarily Christian country in an Islamic country is not just a fortress, it's an irritant in the eye of that society and it serves as a provacative symbol to the jihadists in the Middle East.
The long term solution for the USA in the ME is beyond Bushboy's treacly brain to comprehend.
We need to stop being an "occupying force" in the ME, and go all out on a program of energy conservation and maximum renewable energy developement at home.
As our dependence on oil abates, so will our need to occupy other countries and we also reduce our enormous generation of greenhouse gases.
Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever.
What Hecate said. Staying in Iraq "forever" gives Murka (i.e., all of Bush's cronies) permanent control over all the oil, which we will need as a bargaining chip when the Chinese decide it's time to pay them back the billions we owe them.
you could go outside in a submarine.
Is kos talking to Stone about the movie rights?
I'm sick and tired of bloggers thinking they can express themselves in their own words to the audience that actually reads them.
Well, it would be different if people who live in trailers weren't all forced to sit at their computers several hours a day reading liberal blogs. If, for example, they were free to spend their time working at second jobs at WalMart or raising their children or playing softball or going to church or watching tv, that would be different. But, as it is, those people are forced to spend all their free time reading uncivil discourse on evil liberal blogs and, sometimes, people going off topic and discussing music, pets, food, sex, poetry, and sports. The humanity!!
Joe Lieberman want to spend my Social Security retirement funds in Iraq.
Yours too.
you could go outside in a submarine.
it's in the shop.
holy crap. as much as I hate linking to Malkin, it seems fascism really is on the rise.
Well, now. Those are kind of...um...stupid.
Depraved, too. But mostly stupid.
Depraved, too. But mostly stupid.
the sentiment is what I find so alarming.
And, again, I say to you... re-HICA!
(a little slow, today)
For those who missed it, in the overnight hours, I was able to get a good snap of Curly, and apparently, that (and people continued fascination with all the fun with wingnuts I had, yesterday) helped to push the hit count over at the home bloggie over the 25K mark while I caught some zzzz. Thank you! Thank you!
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We need to stop being an "occupying force" in the ME, and go all out on a program of energy conservation and maximum renewable energy developement at home.
As our dependence on oil abates, so will our need to occupy other countries and we also reduce our enormous generation of greenhouse gases.
Rudy,
Now, that's just crazy talk.
It rained like a bastard here in Boston last night but it stopped long enough for the Redsox to get their game in against the Phillies.
It's been raining like a bastard again this morning and I'm sure the starting game time of 1:30 will get pushed back, assuming they're able to play at all.
I blame all of the rain on Bushboy and his negligence re Global Warming.
I could be wrong, but fuck him anyway!
"The pen became a clarion?" The keyboard became a Claxon is more like it.
"...I'm sick and tired of bloggers thinking they can express themselves in their own words..." Phila
when they could, like Coulter, use the words of others?
Actually, I don't see why there would be any need, even if you boght into the idea of a global American military empire, for us to have permanent bases in Iraq. We alrady have them in Kuwait and Qatar, don't we? And do we have one in Turkey, too? How many bases do we need within 1,000 miles of each other? And our ability to mount expeditionary forces has exceeded that of the whole rest of the world put together ever since WWII. These garrisons are totally unnecessary from any reasonable strategic or even imperialist point of view.
I honestly don't believe that this base mania is about any practical aspect of global domination by the US. I think it is all about feeding the bottomless maw of the military-industrial complex and it attendant socioeconomic oligarchy. If they actually cared about the global power of the US, at least we'd get a dollar's worth of empire for our dollar, and not this pointless base-building racket.
But, as it is, those people are forced to spend all their free time reading uncivil discourse on evil liberal blogs and, sometimes, people going off topic and discussing music, pets, food, sex, poetry, and sports. The humanity!!
Hecate, Brightly-Coiffed | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 1:13 pm | #
Exactly. We're never going to win these people over until we agree with everything they say, and stop saying controversial stuff.
Seriously...why can't Atrios be more like whomever's reading him at a given moment?
Phila
YES! Atrios should blog like me!
(Wow! I think there's a book in that!)
Because KBR and Bechtel build the bases that will bankrupt our empire as surely as the Soviets banrupted their own?
I'll have to start blogging in a turtleneck.
"Blog Like Me." One man's struggle to see what it's like to be an influential member of Left Blogistan.
OK, OK, I get it! It's rain!
You can stop now.
Trolls, chill out and listen to some Eddie From Ohio, m-kay?
RMJ, when fy comes after you, you're there!
stupid meandering thought process that may or may not be relevant but what the hey.
Was pondering the simple fact that if you want to rule a country, do not make enemies of the people who actually do all the work. When they finally get angry enough, there seems to be little recourse except pure, brutal force to control them. If you want to be the somewhat nice guy (Legitimate or not), you have pretty much screwed yourself if you have lost the trust of the people. If you are unwilling to be the despotic overlord with all the nasty little accoutrements. The only two paths left are running like hell or having the genius to heal the wounds you may have created. The latter does not seem to be in the bag of tricks these insane people in the administration hold. The worst part, they will stand pat and slowly watch all parties involve grind each other into bloody pulp.
yeah but ... yeah but ... nice new bases are better than those old stinky bases we're closing in the countries we've already intimidated for decades. They smell like dried spit or worse ... stale shoot-off. We need classy (def; superior .. stylish) new ones as an emblematic seig heil to the New World Order in locations we feel are still sub-human enough to think we're there as "benevolent" instead of just plain ol'self involved and murdering rscists that are entilted to their "stuff" like the rest of the developed countries see us.
George Bush cannot pull out of Iraq because he cannot allow his distraction to end. He doesn't give two shits for what the next guy does as long as there is no resolution while he is in office. Once he's gone, it is someone else's problem for good or ill.
For a similar reason, Bush cannot allow OBL to be captured or killed. OBL is the faace of terrorism and his end means an end to the war on terror in the sheeples' collective brain. Iraq and OBL are all that stand between Bush and a media that will want to know why things aren't as rosy in this country as promised. And Bush is out of talking points on more tax cuts.
sunny side up.
I have a male friend who is very liberal and can actually listen to Flush Limbo on the radio, which I could never do! I'd be a screaming maniac before going 1 mile.
He amazes me in his ability to do it but says that you have to know what the enemy is saying, which is why he's able to listen to the lying sack of crap that is Flush.
I couldn't read the Malkin website or any of the rightwingnut bloggers. It would drive me politically more batshit crazy than I already am.
But I admire people like my friend and watertiger, who seem to be able to endure the malicious mendacity of the rightwingnut icons.
Iraq and OBL are all that stand between Bush and a media that will want to know why things aren't as rosy in this country as promised.
I think you give the media too much credit.
I'm with Rudy @ 1:11 pm, and if robert pape's research is correct (see his book Dying to Win : The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism) permanent bases in iraq is a recipe for more 911s.
anyone (R or D) wanting to keep the bases has a responsibility to be honest with the american public about the real cost and risks involved.
sorry, atrios... i don't usually disagree so strongly with your posts.. i'll try to go back to lurking now...
We're never going to win these people over until we agree with everything they say, and stop saying controversial stuff.
But I like being the disagreeable bastard.
holy crap. as much as I hate linking to Malkin, it seems fascism really is on the rise.
Those goddamn sailors and their horny ways.
I think you give the media too much credit.
Maybe, but if you were Bush, could you take the risk that I am right?
We have to stay in Iraq forever. Otherwise, there might someday be an end to the 'war on terror' and a reckoning of the damage it's done to the civic life of this country and to the world...
Coming soon, the Medved supported, right wing wish for internet purity, "I Was a Teenage Blog."
I expect to be in it.
But I like being the disagreeable bastard.
Snow, Stupid Grammar Nazi | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 1:21 pm | #
Yeah, but then you never get your agenda through. I find that when I disagree with people, I can usually resolve things by agreeing with them. It really helps to reduce friction.
Horny sailor to enticing press whore: "That's right, lady, we don't use sails any more."
Screw world-wide bases, let's have health care.
Screw world-wide bases, let's have health care.
plantsman, lowercase | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 1:25 pm | #
If we do that, the terrorists win.
Screw world-wide bases, let's have health care.
plantsman, lowercase | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 1:25 pm | #
If we do that, the terrorists win.
Brollies and Wellies, Northeasters! It seems our "Experience Oregon" Climate Control gambit is working.
Brollies and Wellies, Northeasters! It seems our "Experience Oregon" Climate Control gambit is working.
plantsman, lowercase | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 1:27 pm | #
The "Experience High Noon in the Sahara" approach is working well in No Cal, too.
Not raining in Queens yet, but there is lots of thunder. Poor suckers are moving in upstairs.
Iraq and OBL are all that stand between Bush and a media that will want to know why things aren't as rosy in this country as promised.
I think you give the media too much credit.
Phila
But the WH Press Corps gets to hob-nob with George Clooney and DC powerbrokers once a year, so everything is rosy, right?
At least, as far as they're concerned. I mean, New Orleans is so Southern, and Baghdad is so foreign, and with Dan Rather gone and Anderson Cooper ascendant, nobodies getting fired from TV journalism anymore, so, it's all good, right?
"High Noon in the Sahara" is playing here, too -- to the extent that it can.
It's probably warm and clear in Victoria, BC today.
Oh, man. I was driving home from my local Dem. committee today, listening to CBS news. It said Howard Dean gave the Democratic response to the prez' weekly radio address. They played a clip of Dean, where he said that Democrats aren't for "cut and run," but they don't want another 50,000 men and women to lose their lives before we put a stop to the war in Iraq.
The news anchor, Harley Carnes, commented after the clip that, at the rate we're losing our loved ones in Iraq, it would take 72 years to catch up to the number that died in Vietnam.
That wasn't helpful.
I saw the Springsteen interview where he dissed Bushboy for being an incompetent and failed POTUS.
I like Bruce's response to the interviewer's question as to whether celebrities like himself are qualified to make these judgements.
Springsteen asked her if she had watched any of the pundits on cable TV who give their opinions freely and frequently. He was laughing when he asked her, because Bruce and the rest of us know that the O'Reillys, the Hannitys and the Sucker Carlsons are totally full of shit, but no one seems to question their right to have a nightly platform to dispense their lies!
I support the troops.
And I wish I was with them.
But evading Sensenbrenner posses in the San Joaquin Valley comes first.
Viva Bush!
Down with Dobbs!
Viva uncut lettuce!
Horny sailor [points] to enticing press whore:
"Thar she blows!"
Bases in Irag are more about Iran. We need the bases to launch our attack against the number two member of the Axis of Evil.
Why do you think they quietly took no perminent bases out of the Iraq funding bill. They need the bases to attack Iran.
The Iraqi government has to stand for re-election three years from now. Why wouldn't that re-election depend on getting the U.S. and its permanent bases out of their country?
Answer: Because in 2009, Iraq might not be a democracy.
"...High Noon in the Sahara..."
Sounds like something my oeuvre could use. But camels went out with Allenby.
Ahhhh, didn't I see this crap in Beau Geste...the foreign occupier walled up in his fort sallies forth to bring law and order to the ignorant barbaric savage (heavy sarcasm) and as I remember these occupiers got their asses kicked out of the desert...
The Japanese are not happy about our permanent bases in Okinawa, especially when our soldiers rape their little girls.
Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback, writes about this.
Harold,
re: Chalmers Johnson's book "blowback"...
just want to add, that Blowback was published pre-911 and warned us of just this kind of attack... "blowback" the price americans pay for our country's foreign policy - and have NO IDEA why, because the cause and effect are purposefully kept from us.
that is why i'm freaking out about the issue of permanent bases in iraq. i don't want to pay the price for them. we need to pay attention this time.
I am a person of no significance whatever, but I keep saying this: Do you think we would like it if a bullying country invaded, killed, maimed, and tortured us on the basis of a pack of lies, and proceeded to take over our resources and our economy? Would you become an insurgent if this happened? I think the answer is clear.
Either some Democrats are profiting from this (ur, um, Dianne Feinstein's husband, to name one person), or they are afraid of having contracts taken out on them if they actually challenge the GOP and war profiteers about this HUGE issue.
Acknowledging this reality COMPLETELY CHANGES what you would do to be "successful" in Iraq, if any kind of paltry "success" is possible at this point.
As I stated in a previous post, there is only ONE reason the U.S. will remain in Iraq forever: Greed. The bush crime family is concerned primarily with accumulating more and more power and wealth for their small circle of war profiteers. To send American women and men to die and kill; to create massive illness amongst Iraqis and U.S. soldiers due to depleted uranium; to mortgage the economic health of future generations of Americans in order to give themselves massive tax breaks--they care about none of this. These are accepted consequences of their greed. The largest embassy in the history of the world is being constructed in Iraq. Does this indicate that the U.S. will ever leave? The #1 goal is to establish the Haliburtons, Bechtels, etc...as overseers of all Iraqi resources and businesses and once that is established, to move onward and upward, to adjacent nation/states which contain vast amounts of resources. Ruling the world is their goal and they'll never falter from that deranged vision.
Peace,
Maybe having permanent bases in Iraq is a grand idea, or would be if they were actually operating in a peaceful environment. I don't really have an opinion on that as I don't really have an opinion on the appropriateness of the dozens of other military bases we have around the world.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Our bases will be seen as a revival of the castles bulit by the crusaders.
some people never learn a goddamn thing.There are some places in the mideast that still moan about alexander the great.
evening moonbats
excellent Doctor Who episode tonight 
I think there's a nontrivial chance that this post was ghost-written by yglesias
It's pretty indicative of BushCo being up to no good that they will not talk about the permanent bases.
As they did not talk about their phone call logging/who knows what else ventures and now their banking venture.
Heard on NPR this morning that no one seems too upset about the SWIFT warrantless info gathering; however, I also heard Europeans feel somewhat differently and there will be legal action brought.
Because we're the land of the free and those Europeans have those quaint old notions we wrote into our Constition and actually used to respect.
Damn BushCo, damn BushBoy.
Leslie at 2:31pm--exactly. I've been waiting since we invaded and BushCo said all the resistance was from "deadenders," etc., for someone to ask BushBoy if Americans ought to roll over and play conquered if we're ever invaded and occupied.
He'll evade, lie, pull stuff out of his Rove soundbite filled memory bank. And say we're different.
Thanks, jawbone @ 4:06 pm. I would love to know what they are really doing there. I don't think they are insisting on staying out of stubborness or fear of losing face because I think they are too arrogant to admit they've royally screwed up whatever they intended to do. We don't even know if they are succeeding at implementing their real plans for Iraq (but I suspect they are not doing that well because they are so unbelievably incompetent, except at creating catchy memes and political smear machines--I'll give them that).
Rudy, I think you missed it. The U.S. doesn't really need ME oil, we need control of ME oil, so we can make everyone else knuckle under to us. Empire, you know.
Are there foreign military bases in the US?
Still, I think it is necessary to point out that Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever, while largely dominated by the fact that his ego is entirely invested in the project, is actually due in part to Bush's desire to stay in Iraq forever. That's a rather costly choice we're making as it isn't exactly a peaceful environment. People should be made to understand that.
I'm sorry, but this is naive. Maintaining a permanent force presence, encased in a number of mega bases, has little to do with Bush's political wishes or insecurities. It is entirely about maintaining a footprint in the Mid East so that the energy equation in the region can be kept under close scrutiny, and recalcitrant regimes in the region under constant stress. In this sense, Bush is rather irrelevant to the equation.
You can argue, perhaps, that Bush's political fortunes have much to do with the maintenance of a certain number of troops in Iraq, along with the general disrespect for the word 'withdrawal'. But holding on to the bases is motivated by entirely different reasons.
Lastly, as noted above, the US maintains probably around 700-800 bases around the world. Not 'dozens.' And if you've read much Cynthia Enloe or Chalmers Johnson, you'll realize that they're far from 'benevolent' forces in the world.
Iraq's oil needs to be divided among Iraqi's not oil companies. Our bases are their to make sure that doesn't happen.
You know they're gonna run the show from that 'embassy'. Big energy will never leave Iraq. And by run the show I mean take over the world. They're getting it done whether chimperor is at 33% or 13%. Go fill your tank.
The complete failure of both Drum and Yglesias to mention PNAC is why I sometimes don't give a shit what anyone says when they say they are baffled by what is going on in Iraq and the reasons why the republicans put up with it.
We already know why.
PNAC
PNAC
PNAC
PNAC
Everything going on right now both in the middle east and domestically with the security/wiretapping/spying/big brother shit was explained in detail by the members of PNAC who wanted everything they're getting now. They wanted to move our bases out of Saudi and Kuwait and into the more-less radical Iraq(or so they hoped) and use it as a base of operations from which they could invade Iran, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc without causing controversy by having to fly over other nations territory to do so.
They mentioned changing domestic law enforcement and making sweeping changes to how they obtain information and why.
ALL OF IT WAS WRITTEN DOWN OVER 8 YEARS AGO.
And signed by various members as well as former members of this administration.
Yet for some reason everyone treats this subject like it doesn't exist. Everyone seems to respond to questions as if the Administrations motives for going into Iraq were noble, if not misguided and poorly implemented. Nobody wants to touch on the fact they had ulterior motives for going into Iraq that will never see the light of day coming from their mouths now but were already out as far back as 1998.
Everyone seems to avoid this subject like the plague. We're not talking conspiracy theories from some nutjobs, we're talking about the members of this administration and it's closest allies in the public, not to mention a Bush son and other icons of the neoconservative movement.
Until everyone addresses PNAC when discussing events in Iraq I will either assume they are trying to avoid the facts or they're idiots.
MYOB'
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'I don't really have an opinion on that as I don't really have an opinion on the appropriateness of the dozens of other military bases we have around the world.'
That’s a large blind spot.
No US Base should be anywhere it is not wanted by the people on whose land it sits. Or, America should quit pretending it isn't just another empire. It's only fooloing itself anyway.
But, whatever. If America wants to build a fortress in a hotile land and crouch behind its walls forever, dying in ones and twos and twentys, forever, that is its strange business, I suppose.
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Everybody's long gone elsewhere so I'm really talking to myself when I say:
MYOB-----WHAT YOU JUST SAID!!!!!
Peaceful dreams,
'I don't really have an opinion on that as I don't really have an opinion on the appropriateness of the dozens of other military bases we have around the world
It's hundreds of bases Duncan. HUNDREDS. And pehaps that order of magnitude should persuade you to think about this more until you DO have an opinion, no?
Yes, hundreds. Estimates range from 700 to 925. Here's a question for the American public: How many foreign bases do you want to pay for? 5? 10? 100? 500? 925?
Let's guess what the answer would be if people were given a choice.
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