I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wah! I wanna enjoy this!
gwb:drf
wow!
second?
Somebody get threadbot a job.
I regret to inform you that Scifi Liveblogging has been moved to this thread.
I've only been first two times.
gwb: drf
Uno, dos, one, two, three, four
until Markos says you aren't allowed to enjoy anything anymore
Bah. Fuck kos and the feral lambs he rode in on.
"Malignants sure can make a mess."
Are we allowed to shoot people in the face now?
CHIMPEACHMENT!!
NTodd,
what happened to the ducks?
NTodd,
what happened to the ducks?
Hey, I'm going to rewhore today's podcast. Because it's my way.
Sorry, I got lost on RMJ's linkies. What are we talking about now? Yo te amo Mozart's Requiem. Shall I come up for air? or not?
Are we allowed to shoot people in the face now?
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 9:57 pm | #
If Kos permits
"You were very persuasive."
what happened to the ducks?
Ducks? Uh...I ate them?
Or do you mean the ones on Liberal Mountain?
David Brooks' column in tomorrow's NY Times attempts to paint Kos as a corrupt tyrant on the basis of the Zengerle emails.
It occurs to me that with a little effort (not, of course, that the MSM will bother) this could do for Mr. Brooks what the alleged Texas Air National Guard forgery did for Dan Rather.
Were I Markos, I'd sue Brooks, and his deep pocketed employer, for every penny he could get.
Job? Did someone say job?
.
"I am...a machine?"
"Yeah. Like a blender."
"What are you?"
"Your worst nightmare."
Kos as a corrupt tyrant on the basis of the Zengerle emails
kos is more powerful than a sitting royal preznit and his congressional minions.
Markos - less personable than Ted Bundy, but friendlier than Ed Gein.
So, for NTodd's care package:
catnip for Sam
rawhide chewie things for Kayla and Mex
Lacy underthings for NTodd
Is this correct?
Job? Did someone say job?
Hey, cool!
Now, for 50 bucks, I promise not to tell anybody where you live, work, SSN, etc...
I've only been first two times.
Congratulations again!
{{{Jeffraham!!!}}}
Congrats!
And how is Curly???
catnip for Sam
rawhide chewie things for Kayla and Mex
Lacy underthings for NTodd
Yes. Yes! YES!!!
Ahem. Sorry.
Tony Blankly says we need to get rid of the penny.
NTodd: Now, for 50 bucks, I promise not to tell anybody where you live, work, SSN, etc...
Ah, but you forget how well-armed and itchin' for a fight I am! 
.
Buckeye--he also likes yellow cake with chocolate frosting, but it has to be Jiffy.
I'm not sure if he prefers thongs or bikinis. You'll have to ask.
Ah, but you forget how well-armed and itchin' for a fight I am!
I thot tigre had your gun and ammo?
Hail markos Hail Buttheads Hail Teh Hail!
he also likes yellow cake with chocolate frosting, but it has to be Jiffy.
Just like Mom used to make.
I'm not sure if he prefers thongs or bikinis.
I'm very open-minded and willing to experiment.
David Brooks' column in tomorrow's NY Times attempts to paint Kos as a corrupt tyrant on the basis of the Zengerle emails.
David Brooks was, is, and always will be a whining little asshat who does what he's told.
Pathetic.
Sallyh: Congrats!
And how is Curly???
Thank you! Curly is probably bored, lonely, asleep or some combination thereof, presently. I'll see him in a little bit, though.
.
Markos - less personable than Ted Bundy, but friendlier than Ed Gein.
watertiger | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:00 pm |
Markos does a better birthday clown than John Wayne Gacy.
Anyone got bird flu yet?
Markos caused global warming.
he also likes yellow cake with chocolate frosting, but it has to be Jiffy.
I know where to get Jiffy yellow cake mix hot off the conveyor.
Should I send one already baked, or do you just want the mix?
So, for NTodd's care package:
catnip for Sam
rawhide chewie things for Kayla and Mex
Lacy underthings for NTodd
And donuts & cheesecake. (reminds me of King Missile's cheesecake truck.)
NTodd - what kind of Sci Fi or fun fiction haven't you read, that you'd be interested in?
Dave Brooks is dinosaur, desperately trying to avoid exticntion. The planet is heating up. The smaller more adaptable species are far more suited to survival that Brookosaurus.
You are toast, DB. Your petrified bones will be on display any day now.
brooks: watch out for the meteorite
Once Markos issues Order 66, there'll be no more flirting.
Hey, I'm going to rewhore today's podcast. Because it's my way.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 9:58 pm | #
Well, I guess I'll listen to it, then, 'cause it's my way (or were you making a Sinatra reference? I guess I'll find out...)
Anyone got bird flu yet?
Yeah. Caught it from Kos, as a matter of fact...
Glad to hear that JP will be receiving ducats Real Soon Now in exchange for his expertise. Best wishes!
Evil android chick in micro mini skirt.
I thot tigre had your gun and ammo?
Quoi?
Being first is luck. I particularly like it when I beat spinoza.
may gacy burn in hell after eating his own sauteed balls with mustard gas.
what kind of Sci Fi or fun fiction haven't you read, that you'd be interested in?
Oh, I dunno...
were you making a Sinatra reference?
I wasn't, but my neighbors throwing the redneck pigroast were playing Fly Me To The Moon earlier!
Markos caused global warming.
NTodd,
Duh. Everybody knows that.
The middleman: lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Blunt e-mails that connect money and access in Washington show that prominent Republican activist Grover Norquist facilitated some administration contacts for Abramoff's clients while the lobbyist simultaneously solicited those clients for large donations to Norquist's tax-exempt group.
grover red grover come on over!
heh heh he said facilitated..heh.
All-Blacks kicked fat Argentian ass! HA!
Ka mate, ka mate
Ka ora, ka ora
Evil android chick in micro mini skirt.
Damn, I'd better renew my satellite service.
Congratulations, JP!!
Being first is luck. I particularly like it when I beat spinoza.
mer
It's like a "Gravity's Rainbow" deal- you get a sixth sense for when all the new posts are about to come up...
well, either that or a quickly-updated aggregator.
Markos is not the boss of me.
Should I send one already baked, or do you just want the mix?
Will it be hot when it arrives?
Markos caused global warming.
and aids, yeh.. don't forget how he screwed that aids monkey...
WalterNeff--ColdStone?
Markos is our Landru. We need Captain Kirk to pull out the plug...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The...8TOS_episode%
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"The Return of the Archons" is a first season episode of Star Trek: The Original Series. It is episode #21 and was first aired February 9, 1967. It was repeated by NBC on July 27, 1967. The screenplay was written by Boris Sobelman, based on a story by Gene Roddenberry, and directed by Joseph Pevney.
On stardate 3156.2, the starship USS Enterprise, under the command of Captain James T. Kirk, arrives at the planet Beta III where the USS Archon was reported lost nearly 100 years earlier.
Only Sulu comes back from the first landing party, exhibiting strange behavior, and Kirk sends another party down to investigate. They find the inhabitants of Beta III (who seem to be modeled after 19th century Earth) are a very static culture, with little or no individual expression or creativity. The entire culture is ruled over by cloaked and cowled "lawgivers", controlled by a reclusive dictator known as Landru. The only time the people "let loose" and become a violent mob, is at the coming of "The Red Hour", a festival which seems to be the only time Landru doesn't have control over them.
Kirk's landing party beams down just before the festival, and they seek shelter from the mobs at a nearby boarding house. Landru happens to be "all-seeing", and "all-knowing" with spies everywhere; one of whom turns the party in when he doesn't recognize them as members of The Body, the telepathic collective being that most of the inhabitants belong to, ruled by Landru.
Kirk and his team are eventually captured. However, Reger, the owner of the house, is a resistance member and offers protection to Kirk and his team. Reger reveals that Landru "absorbs" selected people into The Body, which was the fate of the Archon's crew, and will also be the fate of the Enterprise's landing party. The Enterprise itself is now stuck in orbit and is being pulled down toward the planet by a mysterious force.
Kirk and Mr. Spock discover that the reclusive Landru is actually a computer sealed inside an ancient chamber, created 6000 years ago by a Betian scientist also named Landru. The Landru of that time only wished to create a way to help his failing society achieve peace. The computer was the solution but it performed its job soullessly and ruthlessly.
Kirk and Spock manage to convince the machine that running the planet as it has been is wrong and the people are being kept as meaningless slaves. They manage to convince it that it has violated its own prime directive. The machine realizes its mistake and self-destructs, thus freeing the people of Beta III. Unfortunately, millennia of dominance under Landru have them confused and unable to proceed on their own.
Once Markos issues Order 66, there'll be no more flirting.
Jay C.
Yeah. He's just like "Beast" Butler. Anybody caught flirting will be treated as a woman of the town.
I wasn't, but my neighbors throwing the redneck pigroast were playing Fly Me To The Moon earlier!
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:05 pm | #
Frank would like that... Me, I got the Beatles. Live blogging NTodd here...
"Why'd you stop?"
don't forget how he screwed that aids monkey...
I thought he WAS the AIDS monkey...?
Hourrah Jeffraham! Félicitations pour le nouveau travail!
Markos made Arnie give Bush the finger.
Markos - less personable than Ted Bundy, but friendlier than Ed Gein.
watertiger | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:00 pm |
Markos does a better birthday clown than John Wayne Gacy.
Anyone remember Juan Corona?
damn dirty apes
NTodd: I thot tigre had your gun and ammo?
She'll give the shotgun back tomorrow. I hope. 
That's not all I gots, though... that's just my face-shootin' gun. Well, the metal one, anyway.
.
"What's that smell?"
Crap we're looking at a forcast 105 for Monday with a possible pm thunderstorm.
Once Atrios issues Plan 9 peace and harmony will descend from the heavens.
After all the jacks are in their boxes
And the clowns have all gone to bed
You can hear happiness staggering on down the street
Footsteps dressed in red
And the wind whispers mary
It's like 'night boat'. There's always a canal.
If David Brooks is writing about kos, more power to the internets. (Even though Brooks doesn't mean shit to me.)
"kos is a tyrant."
this term gets thrown around in jest a lot, but kos' site actually is basically an anarcho-syndicalist collective.
catnip for Sam
rawhide chewie things for Kayla and Mex
Lacy underthings for NTodd
Yes. Yes! YES!!!
Ahem. Sorry.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:01 p
so you're really looking for a care package from LJ/Aquaria?
Let's see, doesn't care whether it's thong or bikini, what colors?
Will it be hot when it arrives?
If it's 90 degrees in VT when it arrives, it'll be fairly warm.
"Do not go soft on me now."
Gentlemen, you are listening, aren't you?
Me, I got the Beatles.
Rocky Raccooooooon, checked into his room, only to find Gideon's Biiibul...
In the new media age, the bloggers are succeeding where the dinosaurs are failing. The dinosaurs are being deprived of the fart-filled atmosphere generated by the fever swams. The air is too hard for the dinosaurs to breathe, making bloviation difficult if not impossible.
I'm working on a documentary for the Discover Channel: "The end of the Bloviator Era."
Birthday clowns begin and end with David Friedman. However . . . . yikes!
"Do not go soft on me now."
Gentlemen, you are listening, aren't you?
With the right drugs, up to 72 hours are possible. Or so I've heard.
so you're really looking for a care package from LJ/Aquaria?
Good lord, I think my butt hurts just thinking about what she could send!
Let's see, doesn't care whether it's thong or bikini, what colors?
Purple is nice. With a brunette or blonde in them.
Hey, I just thought of this: we had three Atriots in one place at the same time; we should have voted new rulz.
Were I Markos, I'd sue Brooks, and his deep pocketed employer, for every penny he could get.
David Derbes
i'd sue him for constructing the phrase rabid lambs. in fact it occurs to me there may be a class action law suit in this.
what a fuck'n idiot.
dwd, that is my favorite hendrix tune ever.
I guess having a successful YKos meet and greet at which many political candidates showed up, hats in hand, and to which many "real" journalists were sent screaming by their bosses has rattled a few cages.
Good.
In the new media age, the bloggers are succeeding where the dinosaurs are failing.
We are indeed the little, fast, adaptable mammals.
Purple is nice. With a brunette or blonde in them.
Ya got something against redheads?
Purple is nice. With a brunette or blonde in them.
Ya got something against redheads?
Let's see, doesn't care whether it's thong or bikini, what colors?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
There are so many choices
G'wan, click on the linkie, it's work-safe....
Ya got something against redheads?
Actually, no. I was just going with the odds.
Let's see, doesn't care whether it's thong or bikini, what colors?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
There are so many choices
G'wan, click on the linkie, it's work-safe....
Neil Young, from Nixon to Bush
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/
r...1805023,00.html
"Do not go soft on me now."
Don't make my brown eye blue
--Karl Rove turdblossom
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
What kind of fun stuff are you looking for in Seattle?
I lived there for about 10 years, and only once went to the Space Needle. It's not worth it, in my opinion.
If you want to go to a high spot & take pictures - I'd go to the Columbia Center Tower, or the building near the public library on 4th Ave in Downtown Seattle. The new public library building is itself interesting architecture.
Olaf, after two weeks of party preparation and seven hours of company, Hendrix's Wind Cries Mary fits my mood.
There are so many choices
I hope they have styles that will go with my Bros, er...Mansierres.
well, a virtual anarcho-syndicalist collective anyway.
NTodd--neutral beige lingerie works with all your clothing. I recommend the no visible panty line versions.
i feel very evil tonight.
DWD, how'd the party go? I can't imagine having 200 guests at my house. No parking available.
Once Atrios issues Plan 9 peace and harmony will descend from the heavens.
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will rule the planets
And loooooove will rule this stars!!
Can we dance naked now?
neutral beige lingerie works with all your clothing.
Even if I'm a 'winter'?
Olaf, after two weeks of party preparation and seven hours of company, Hendrix's Wind Cries Mary fits my mood.
DWD - Consider Sedition | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:13 pm | #
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play little wing next! my second favorite.
NTodd--that's for your makeup palette, sweetie. Get with the program.
Please be advised that all orchestra, balcony, mezzanine, loge, aisle, front of house, back of house, standing room, and wheelchair-accessible seats for my June 26th return to blogging have been sold. If there are any cancellations, I will hold a lottery.
The fossil record shows that the dinosours went on wild rampages as there Age came to an end. The footprints I'm studying show mass crowds of dinosaurs fleeing. (OK, I know this because the dinosaur prints are large. They are deep prints because of the heft of the dinosaurs.
On the other hand, the small class of bloggers started to well.
bush: drf
Can we dance naked now?
Hecate, Brightly-Coiffed | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:14 pm | #
Well, I'm off peak-form by about 6 years, but hey, you know I'll dance naked anyway...
And loooooove will rule this stars!!
I thought love would steer the stars? But what house is the moon in?
mer, the party went about perfectly. It is so nice to meet Nim and Jenn at last. Good people.
We had just about perfect amounts of food. Did not run out of anything but have little to put away.
Have too much soda but that will be used up.
A good time seemed to be had by all, that is all one can ask.
NTodd--that's for your makeup palette, sweetie. Get with the program.
I'm just lost without female guidance...
lots of people like the more experimental, psychadelic hendrix. i like his clean, bluesy songs best though.
I suggest the Underground Tour, but don't go expecting to see Richard Anderson or Darrin McGavin.
Actually, I think it's "peace will guide the planets." That's what happens when you get old.
NTodd--a nice MILF is out there, just waiting for you...
WalterNeff, I would be for buying a lottery ticket, even though I've never bought one before.
a nice MILF is out there, just waiting for you...
Be handy if it were the chick nextdoor...
Well, there was some serious man-android love going on, but it's apparently over now.
Olaf,
Don't have Hendrix doing Little Wing but am substituting a little SRV.
What kind of fun stuff are you looking for in Seattle?
the sr-71 is in the boeing museum that was pretty cool to walk around ...
"Lost your buddy?"
"Greater love hath no man..."
What happens in NTodd's pants, stays in NTodd's pants.
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
Hecate--we are not old!
We are women of a certain age!
In the new media age, the bloggers are succeeding where the dinosaurs are failing.
The increasing number of dishonest hit pieces on bloggers written by the old media pundits makes it increasingly apparent that they are now behaving like cornered animals, acting out of fear and desperation.
Olaf,
Don't have Hendrix doing Little Wing but am substituting a little SRV.
DWD - Consider Sedition | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:19 pm | #
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it's all good.
"Don't you look stupid now."
Well, I haven't been called "the chick next door" but I have gotten "salt of the earth," is that good?
hat kind of Sci Fi or fun fiction haven't you read, that you'd be interested in?
Oh, I dunno...
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:05 pm | #
Chronicles of Riddick, eh? I have to admit I enjoyed that one much more than I was expecting to.
Personally, I don't mind that candidates were able to pay KOS for good coverage. The candidates who did this were solid and deserved support. Glenn Reynolds and the wingers are just jealous that nobody's paying them off. Fuckers.
Watch the movie, feed Monsieur.
Watch the movie, feed Monsieur.
Decisions, decisions...
This is the dawning of the age of...asparagus
Chronicles of Riddick, eh? I have to admit I enjoyed that one much more than I was expecting to.
Same here. I watched it on HBO a few times last year when I was wicked bored, and thought it fucking rocked. Great schlock sci-fi.
I'm about to make my beer money...
"Go on. Go see your friend."
"Get down on the ground."
"Now didn't that feel good?"
Glenn Reynolds and the wingers are just jealous that nobody's paying them off.
To be honest, so am I.
Ooo He punched him with his stump. Kinky.
Atrios has created a monster. I can never keep up even when I neglect my work.
On the other hand, I love this monster.
I'm about to make my beer money...
Isn't that illegal?
The Dinosaurs failed in part because they had a hierarchal social structure. The alpha dinosaurs kept the other dinosaure in line. Because the individual was less important that the pack of Dinosaurs, if by accident a smart Dinosaur with new ideas came along, said Dinosaur was shunned by the pack members, and in some cases, killed.
gwb:drf
"you might break something you need."
Ka mate, ka mate
Ka ora, ka ora
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk | 06.24.06 - 10:06 pm | #,
It is death?
So Walter, are you avoiding all that winter weather in NZ?
Jeffraham, you here? My nephew was over this day (Actually damned near everyonee I know was) and he was telling me horror stories of looking for a videographer for his upcoming wedding. In short the real pros were charging 3K and he found a "friend" to do it for $400.
Hmmmm
gesticulate and gyrate and screech geeba-geeba!
The Dinosaurs failed in part because they had a hierarchal social structure.
Well, we haven't really gotten rid of our love for hierarchy, given the reptilian brain lives on underneath our other brains...
Kos directed the comet to hit the Earth and cause the mass extinction of the dinosaurs.
Hecate--we are not old!
We are women of a certain age!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere ?
Say it with me; "I'm 39!"
The candidates who did this were solid and deserved support. Glenn Reynolds and the wingers are just jealous that nobody's paying them off. Fuckers.
This made me wonder if the politicians who do go on Fox, or other affectionate networks, do so for money or to spread disinfo? I mean, do they, senators, get paid to let Vannity 'interview' them?
Good night, batsies.
Sleep well.
Thinking about you, NTodd.
I just broke wind.
the real pros were charging 3K and he found a "friend" to do it for $400.
Shit. I was videographer for my SIL's wedding and charged them no more than zero dollars. They got lots of free photographs out of me, too. I was robbed.
pie - thanks. Peace.
I still don't have a clue why the bad android wears so much eye liner. Why would she even need to wear makeup?
This made me wonder if the politicians who do go on Fox, or other affectionate networks, do so for money or to spread disinfo? I mean, do they, senators, get paid to let Vannity 'interview' them?
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i think they go because there are cameras there.
Even if I'm a 'winter'?
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:14 pm | #
the better the rose red blood runs down your snow white skin, as the tears leak from your ocean blue eyes. and winter's chill seals my heart and ice cold grip on the lash...
I still don't have a clue why the bad android wears so much eye liner. Why would she even need to wear makeup?
It doesn't come standard on that model.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/ r...1805023,00.html
plum p
thanx, this article is fascinating.
hey hey, my my...
the real pros were charging 3K and he found a "friend" to do it for $400
Wow, I think I just found my post-daycare profession! Without giving TMI, I'd only have to do 7 weddings a year & I'd make as much as I do now taking care of 5 kids under 2, 4 days a week!
I'm about to make my beer money...
Ô¿Ô
Just so long as you use a condom.
The Dinosaurs failed in part because they had a hierarchal social structure.
those fucking raptors were anarchists.
I just broke wind.
because you are rotten on the inside, and that rot creates gas, as a cow eats hay, and produces hay, you Jack, create gas.
But, as a cow farts gas, it's wasted, hot air.. just as jacks.
as the tears leak from your ocean blue eyes
Actually, as Mom used to say, I'm so full of shit my eyes are brown...
chi dy, did you ever locate a genius? i noticed you were looking for one on the last thread. perhaps one of us psychiatrists can help.
But, as a cow farts gas, it's wasted, hot air.. just as jacks.
But imagine if you could light all those cow farts...
It doesn't come standard on that model.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Apparently, a poor fashion sense did.
i think they go because there are cameras there.
perhaps, i think they go because their words will be repeated right or wrong.
On the other hand, the small adaptable bloggers took advantage of niche environment. Rather that trying to dominate the landscape, bloggers knew how to react quickly to changing environments.
Unlike the Dinosaurs, the bloggers did not have a heirarchy. There was not alpha animal. Because of this, each member of the pack was free to find new strategies which he shared with the pack.
The bloggers had an adaptation that helped in disseminating ideas and strategies quickly. Blogger had special glands that release phermones. This new model of open communication foiled the dinosaurs.
gwb:drf
So Walter, are you avoiding all that winter weather in NZ?
I'm posting from my vacation hut on McMurdo Sound; it's very nice . . . if you like crippling loneliness, wind burn, and intense, ball-crunching cold. Ooohh!! Marching penquins just passed by my double mylar window. Penquibobs tonight!
What kind of fun stuff are you looking for in Seattle?
the sr-71 is in the boeing museum that was pretty cool to walk around ...
][Pious Pete][
For kids - The Pacific Science Center or the Aquarium are fun. And there's a Red Robin & lots of good ice cream on the waterfront near the Aquarium. (Also a Omni-Dome theatre is right next door.) Pike Place Market is in walking distance of the Aquarium, too.
Ivars on the waterfront has yummy fast seafood & you can feed the seagulls your french fries.
I think the Art Museum might be doing renovations right now?
It doesn't come standard on that model.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Apparently, a poor fashion sense did.
I think it's a BIOS issue. There should be an upgrade available on the web.
Can we stop slandering the dinosaurs in the name or stretching an analogy until it screams now, please?
Penquibobs tonight!
Now I'm feeling peckish.
"Don't touch it!"
And the minions all dress like LA Motorcycle cops. Kind of reminiscent of that early George Lucas movie (whose name I can't remember, but there was a number in the title and Jack Palance was one of the cops.)
Can we stop slandering the dinosaurs in the name or stretching an analogy until it screams now, please?
Just one more thought: they sure were ugly.
THX 1138
Mark B,
Fahrenheit 451?
Can we stop slandering the dinosaurs in the name or stretching an analogy until it screams now, please?
what and reduce the amount of coal fired power plants!? =)
Just one more thought: they sure were ugly.
NTodd
Compared to what?
Can we stop slandering the dinosaurs in the name or stretching an analogy until it screams now, please?
Just one more thought: they sure were ugly.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:32 pm | #
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and stupid. and nobody liked them.
Richard,
Yep. THX 1138.
"Come here. I wanna show you something."
When this is said in my home, it generally means, 'the cat barfed.'
THX 1138, of course. How could I forget?
Seattle Public Library is fantastic.
OK, JR. I'm out for the night.
bye!
gwb:drf
Kind of reminiscent of that early George Lucas movie (whose name I can't remember, but there was a number in the title and Jack Palance was one of the cops.)
THX-1138?
That's it, I'm reporting you lot to the evolutionary biologists.
They're mean.
I don't think Jack Palance was in THX-1138. Donald Pleasance was.
Compared to what?
Dogs and cats.
Donald Pleasance was.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Donald Pleasance was in everything.
/pout/ fine. don't play with me, fecal occular
olaf: no, i'm still looking. i'm playing with fire, and i'm looking for some high tech hot pads, so to speak. i'm not afraid of the burn, just the occlusion of the script below.
I for one would welcome dinosaur overlords vs. what we have for political 'leadership' now.
Just one more thought: they sure were ugly.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:32 pm | #
Do we really know what they looked like? Aren't the versions we have just made in our image, like God or bloggers??
a couple of cool snaps from the nashville turnout for al gore's book signing. gotta love this:
"Store Manager Tony Mize said he had not seen a crowd this large since music legend Johnny Cash was on hand to sign autographed copies of his biography 10 years ago."
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot....welcome-
at.html
That's it, I'm reporting you lot to the evolutionary biologists.
Pffft. Evolutionary psychologists could kick their asses.
Dark moon right now, Bitches. Go banish something.
but man does not that decay power your car and light your home? now you wish to discard my name, Dinosaur?
Young, whose faith in the internet as a 'tool for getting the truth out there' is almost total, has even created a link on his website called 'The Great Debate' where fans and critics alike can express their feelings. 'There's been a lot of viciously negative reviews and we've stuck them on there too,' he grins, ever the iconoclast. 'It's not the Sixties any more, it's not about rock'n'roll, it's a different world now. It's about the things people feel and fear today, and those feelings and fears need - and have a right - to be expressed too.'
JR, now, now, don't get all PZ Myers on NTodd.
I don't think Jack Palance was in THX-1138. Donald Pleasance was.
This may be faulty memory, but I though he had an uncredited part as one of the faceless cops. The voice sure sounded like his.
Dogs and cats.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Oh yeah?
Devon Rex.
Chihuahuas.
Ooohh!! Marching penquins just passed by my double mylar window. Penquibobs tonight!
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk
And they're dressed for dinner! How thoughtful...
That's it, I'm reporting you lot to the evolutionary biologists.
They're mean.
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no shit. i was once punk eeked by steven j. gould. very unpleasant.
Donald Pleasance was in everything.
I don't think he was in Xanadu.
Do we really know what they looked like?
I took some cool video when I went on my inaugural voyage in my Wayback Machine.
Kirk and Spock manage to convince the machine that running the planet as it has been is wrong and the people are being kept as meaningless slaves. They manage to convince it that it has violated its own prime directive. The machine realizes its mistake and self-destructs
>>>
In the noble tradition of "confuse and/or present a logical paradox to a super-computer and smoke starts pouring out"
Devon Rex.
Chihuahuas.
Stegosaurus.
My Dogz.
I say, rabid venemous lambs of the world unite!
I wrote a novel called Fahrenheit 99.6. It was about a society that tries to rid the world of rectal thermometers.
Do we really know what they looked like?
Colour is a bit iffy. The rest is pretty solid, deppending on how many specimens we have.
/serious mode.
"Did I pass?"
Dark moon right now, Bitches. Go banish something.
Oooh, what should I do to expedite said banishment?
JR, now, now, don't get all PZ Myers on NTodd.
Sallyh
Why thank you for the compliment.
*sniff*
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
What kind of fun stuff are you looking for in Seattle?
I lived there for about 10 years, and only once went to the Space Needle. It's not worth it, in my opinion.
If you want to go to a high spot & take pictures - I'd go to the Columbia Center Tower, or the building near the public library on 4th Ave in Downtown Seattle. The new public library building is itself interesting architecture.
geoduck | 06.24.06 - 10:13 pm
Well, I like skyline shots, and apparently the better ones aren't from SN, but Kerry Lookout, and couple buildings downtown. Library is on my list
We're not looking for nightlife, we're old farts, so we'll probably be passed out by then.
I'm not feeding my french fries to seagulls, they'll have to buy their own.
Funny, I don't like seafood, but since I'm in Seattle hopefully I'll find something.
Dark moon right now, Bitches. Go banish something.
Hecate, Brightly-Coiffed | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:35 pm | #
How do you do it, Hecate? Since all the blades have two sides, if I banish the one side, don't I lose the other with it?
Pffft. Evolutionary psychologists could kick their asses.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Pinker is a WATB.
Pffft. Evolutionary psychologists could kick their asses.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Pinker is a WATB.
Pinker is a WATB.
Oh, so you're not a counter-dominant, I see!
After Jack Palance drinks a beer he eats the can it came in and then farts aluminum shards.
"I wrote a novel called Fahrenheit 99.6. It was about a society that tries to rid the world of rectal thermometers."
Reminds me of the proctologist's nightmare: a world without assholes...
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Seattle Public Library is fantastic.
WalterNeff
I Love It. Is the coffee shop still there?
Off to drink elitist SNPA-nay. New Bears tune at the homepage, y'all.
brb, later
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I Love It. Is the coffee shop still there?
I would not know.
NTodd--listening to your podcast has somehow made me more articulate. But let me abandon that and return to ol' Ina: Neil's singin' now and if you were here, well...
Chronicles of Riddick, eh? I have to admit I enjoyed that one much more than I was expecting to.
Same here. I watched it on HBO a few times last year when I was wicked bored, and thought it fucking rocked. Great schlock sci-fi.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:22 pm
Saw enough good reviews that it was worth requesting from the library. It did very well for what it was trying to do. Besides it had Dame Judi Dench and Eomer in it! What more do you want!
Neil's singin' now and if you were here, well...
You'd fetch me an eclair?
Dark moon right now, Bitches. Go banish something.
Half of the moon is always dark. Your point is?
Well, I like skyline shots,
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
The best place for skyline shots of Seattle is on the ferry. There's two that leave downtown Seattle- one an hour long that goes to Bremerton & a 30 minute ride to Bainbridge Island. I suggest the Bainbridge ride.
Dark moon right now, Bitches. Go banish something.
Hecate, Brightly-Coiffed | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:35 pm | #
How do you do it, Hecate? Since all the blades have two sides, if I banish the one side, don't I lose the other with it?
Oh, lots of ways to banish things. Write down what you want to banish on a piece of paper. Burn it. While it burns, walk counterclockwise three times around it saying, "Banish, banish, go on now, vanish!"
Write what you want to banish with olive oil on your arm and wash your arm with lovely soap. Say, "Disappear. Go away. I'll kick your ass if you try to stay."
After Jack Palance drinks a beer he eats the can it came in and then farts aluminum shards.
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk
Then he winks at his two Oscars and his Emmy up on the mantle.
Besides it had Dame Judi Dench and Eomer in it! What more do you want!
Thandie Newton? Oh, yeah, she's in it!
Half of the moon is always dark. Your point is?
So you have a vantage point beyond the Earth?
Now cooking pollo asada, black beans, and fresh tortillas.
As an aside - you know, we are very funny here. It must kill the linears at redstate.com.
"Anyone remember Juan Corona?
SteveAudio"
Oh, yeah! That was a hit song by The Knack!
Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun JUAN CORONA!
You'd fetch me an eclair?
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:43 pm | #
That's right. Or some kind of clarity.
Raw Story "reports" on Bobo's shite
"The Keyboard Kingpin, aka Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, sits at his computer, fires up his Web site, Daily Kos, and commands his followers, who come across like squadrons of rabid lambs, to unleash their venom on those who stand in the way," writes Brooks. "And in this way the Kingpin has made himself a mighty force in his own mind, and every knee shall bow."
http://www.rawstory.com/news/
200...slams_0624.html
Half of the moon is always dark. Your point is?
You know, I was thinking about what you could do. And, I know! You could bite me!
"Absorption analysis will conclude that these two fluids are identical."
Is the eclair above or below the rim?
In the noble tradition of "confuse and/or present a logical paradox to a super-computer and smoke starts pouring out"
"Return of the Archons" was the original make the computer start smoking with "impeccable logic" episode, though Kirk used the same tactic on some androids in an earlier episode, "What are Litter Girls Made Of?" ...
Ruk : THAT was the equation. EXISTANCE! SURVIVAL ... must ... outweigh ... programming!
Kirk: Execute your prime function!
THX isn't on Palance's IMDB page. I guess I'm just imagining it. Unless Kos removed it.
I suggest the Underground Tour, but don't go expecting to see Richard Anderson or Darrin McGavin.
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk | 06.24.06 - 10:17 pm
So we won't see pothole drownings either?
What about places to eat?
"You were my highest achievement."
When I go to the bathroom, do I have to get Markos' permission now? I am kinda new to this thralldom stuff and am a bit tentative about it.
Just wondering...
"Put them on the endangered species list."
Wittgenstein famously asked why for so long people thought Sol orbited the Earth. His foil replied that it looked that way, to which he responded, "and what would it look like if the Earth went around the Sun?"
Oh, lots of ways to banish things. Write down what you want to banish on a piece of paper. Burn it. While it burns, walk counterclockwise three times around it saying, "Banish, banish, go on now, vanish!"
Write what you want to banish with olive oil on your arm and wash your arm with lovely soap. Say, "Disappear. Go away. I'll kick your ass if you try to stay."
Hecate, Brightly-Coiffed | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:44 pm | #
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you can also banish things with a piece of rebar.
When I go to the bathroom, do I have to get Markos' permission now?
Markos has explicitly stated that you are to use ONLY Marcal toilet tissue.
He owns the company.
"We are the future. The only possible future."
hec: of course! that's where all this comes from. dammit, i wish you spoke the Fine Tongue, we'd speak of...things we shouldn't talk about here. thanks for reminding me to make the blood offering tonight.
"What are Litter Girls Made Of?"
That should be Little girls! To many posts about cats on this blog! It's warping my brain!
Then he winks at his two [one] Oscars and his Emmy up on the mantle.
Then does one-armed push-ups in a tux with the Chicago Bears on his back to the celestial call of Alvino Ray and his Singing Guitar.
When I go to the bathroom, do I have to get Markos' permission now?
Yes. In fact, we know refer to it as "I need to take a Markos."
Besides it had Dame Judi Dench and Eomer in it! What more do you want!
Thandie Newton? Oh, yeah, she's in it!
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:44 pm
Somehow I thought you'd notice Thandie. She's quite enjoyable in her role.
Somehow I thought you'd notice Thandie.
I am nothing if not predictable. Next to my most humble modesty, it's my best quality.
I don't care what Markos says. I am enjoying this pistachio gelato.
Lest anyone think I was joking when I mentioned my Red Vines addiction earlier tonight, I wasn't able to procure more, but remembered a year-old unopened tin of something in a pack I don't use. Found it: "Redcurrant Grether's Pastilles," opened it expecting powerdery crumbles of something sweet. Instead, chewy morsels evoking the vines...
The Markos zone is for loading and unloading only.
You could bite me!
Hecate,
But the moon *is* always half in darkness.
I don't care what Markos says. I am enjoying this pistachio gelato.
I heard he commanded you to enjoy it.
Yes. In fact, we know refer to it as "I need to take a Markos."
Oh, Markos you and the pony you rode in on.
There is no stopping in the Markos zone.
Looked it up--The cast of THX 1138 included Robert Duvall, David Ogden Stiers and Johnny Weismuller Jr. (!). No Jack Palance.
Whenever that movie is mentioned I reflexively mention the "white on white color scheme." In a bad mood I'll compare said scheme unfavorably to John Singer Sargeant.
Markos. Sounds like some guest villain on Battlestar Galactica.
Kos told me to say that.
But the moon *is* always half in darkness.
There are many ways to be literal, and there is no universal reference.
Kenny Loggins greatest hit: Highway to the Markos Zone.
What about places to eat?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
The flagship for McCormick & Schmicks is on 1st Ave downtown. Very fresh good seafood.
In Pike Place Market there's a bunch of good places to eat - French, Fusion, ect.
What kind of food do you like?
My, my. David Brooks is babbling again. Heh. He's probably pissed off because so many bloggers kick his ass every week.
Johnny Weismuller Jr.
That may be the one I remember. Wasn't he one of the Tarzans?
i'm tired of markos telling me what to do all the time. fucking tyrant.
Molly Ivors' favorite tunage is playing next door: The Logical Song.
I don't care what Markos says. I am enjoying this pistachio gelato.
Hecate
oh - I am jealous!
I heard Kostrodamus can predict the future.
Seattle seafood begins and ends with Etta's
There are many ways to be literal, and there is no universal reference.
NTodd
The fact that our language still says "sunrise" and "sunset" does not change the fact that the sun does *not* orbit the earth.
i'm tired of markos telling me what to do all the time. fucking tyrant.
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista!
Please report to the central office for re-education, Olaf. Kos will help you to understand.
I heard Kostrodamus can predict the future.
He predicted 9/11. But that's a bit unfair because al Kosda carried it out, so it was sorta self-fulfilling prophecy...
My, my. David Brooks is babbling again. Heh. He's probably pissed off because so many bloggers kick his ass every week.
Echidne of the snakes
But each Saturday, he noshes over at his mother's apartment, where she inevitably works in to the conversation that his cousin is a doctor.
What kind of food do you like?
geoduck | 06.24.06 - 10:54 pm
Chocolate.
with black beer, and other liquids. i offer up in dance and song:
oh the air was shining shining like a wedding ring
barbed like sex i felt 10,000 volts
my chest was full of eels pushing through my usual skin i opened up new wounds
pouting, shouting oh love - like liquid falling
falling in cascades oh love-lorn victims
laughing in cascades the sun was rich
rich with a song of sin
my breath melted my words
into strange alphabets
tormenting my tongue
pouting, shouting
oh love - like liquid falling
falling in cascades
I just do it Kos?
That may be the one I remember. Wasn't he one of the Tarzans?
Sr. was. His son played one of the cop/robots.
Red Vines addiction
now, THAT's a serious illness.
Not sure why anyone would voluntarily eat those hideous things unless literally starving. Addicts smile at me and say, well, no fat! All I can say is...yecchhhh.
Molly Ivors' favorite tunage is playing next door: The Logical Song.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:55 pm | #
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around albuquerque there are all of these indian casinos where bands you didn't even know still existed turn up all the time. if supertramp ever plays here i'm going.
The fact that our language still says "sunrise" and "sunset" does not change the fact that the sun does *not* orbit the earth.
I never claimed it did. Simply that descriptions from a particular point of reference are perfectly fine. The sun does, in fact, rise from where we sit.
Bleedage!
Markos is to Svengali as Brooks is to Trilby.
Kos readers are "rabid lambs"! How did they get that way, given that sheep are vegetarians? Maybe Markos bit them? But he is vegan!
And these "rabid lambs" "squeak". That's an interesting manimal hybrid. And not the best kind of writing.
Chocolate.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
See's.
what the hell am i thinking? markos would never let any of the casinos around here book supertramp.
The moon, therefore, is dark, when observed from the Earth. It's really not all that difficult to understand, unless you deliberately make it so.
If you cut us, do we not bleed ... GREEN.
And these "rabid lambs" "squeak". That's an interesting manimal hybrid.
As a dog owner, you should know that many animals squeak when they are in toy form...
Chocolate.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yum - good fudge over at the Seattle Center.
Or if you go up to Vancouver - Le Meredian has a chocolate buffet. All you can eat choclate.
If you cut us, do we not bleed ... GREEN.
Are these Vulcans or androids?
The fact that our language still says "sunrise" and "sunset" does not change the fact that the sun does *not* orbit the earth.
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it does rise and set though.
It's really not all that difficult to understand, unless you deliberately make it so.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
It's not all that difficult to understand that "bite me"* is not an answer to pointing out that where you sit isn't the omphalos.
*not a snark, per se
The moon, therefore, is dark, when observed from the Earth. It's really not all that difficult to understand, unless you deliberately make it so.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Stoopit Earth-hating moon.
Sundays are great at the All You Can Eat Phyllis Buffet.
As a dog owner, you should know that many animals squeak when they are in toy form...
Not for long when Henrietta the Hound is around. She takes the squeaker out and then ignores the toy. She's a revolutionary type of dog. But yes, Hank used to like to make things squeak.
Pac NW Thermal Whiplash: W/T= mid to high 60s; Fri, 90+; Sat, 95; Sun (predicted), 98; Mon, 100+.
AAAIIIIEEEEEEEE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Are these Vulcans or androids?
NTodd,
Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a xenobiologist/mechanic.
In Pike Place Market there's a bunch of good places to eat - French, Fusion, ect.
What kind of food do you like?
geoduck | 06.24.06 - 10:54 pm
Well, I'm pretty open, but it may depend on whether or not my b-i-l comes along, he's not one to experiment too much. But he does like Italian.
thanks for all the advice, I just need more time there!
'night bats!
It's not all that difficult to understand that "bite me"* is not an answer to pointing out that where you sit isn't the omphalos.
Actually, it is. Somebody was being deliberately obtuse cum pedantic and it pissed Hecate off. "Bite me" is perfectly reasonable from my reference point.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:58 pm | #
In truth, it's the sugar I love, in all it's forms, especially pie and pastries, but Red VInes are a handy computer-compatible source, plus, my mommy sends them to me (along with sour gummy worms) from California...
I am enjoying this pistachio gelato.
I heard he commanded you to enjoy it.
Oh, that's right. And I am Markos' willing servant.
"Your friend?!"
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody.
And that's it, kids! Thanks for joining us for liveblogging!
As a dog owner, you should know that many animals squeak when they are in toy form...
Even ones that did not come with a squeaker if it involves my dog.
After Jack Palance drinks a beer he eats the can it came in and then farts aluminum shards.
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk
True story. And the other Holllllywood studs were so envious. I heard Charles Bronson tried it once, and it took a team of Proctologists 6 hours to stitch his asshole back together...
"Enjoy, until Markos says you aren't allowed to enjoy anything anymore."
IF enjoyment has been forbidden by Kos, does that mean Jerome saw the end of fun in our stars?
anyway, the only reason that the sun doesn't orbit the earth is because markos won't allow it.
Mark @ 10:55--Johnny Weismuller was the archetypal Tarzan of the 30s. A champion swimmer and looked it. His son had a very minor movie career onscreen but became an executive, kind of like Alan Ladd Jr on a smaller scale.
Stoopit Earth-hating moon.
The tide is turning, though...
Not for long when Henrietta the Hound is around. She takes the squeaker out and then ignores the toy.
Cairo would let the squeaker live for about a week, then surgically remove it, along with the stuffing. Really, very carefully would gut the creature and leave all the innards aside. Then the carcass becomes a tug toy.
Mex, on the other hand, took about 3 months to gut his first hedgie. Kayla has yet to gut one in her first week here, but loves making them squeak and taunting her brother, who really just doesn't get tug.
plus, my mommy sends them to me (along with sour gummy worms) from California...
whiskeyina
oh, well, that's okay, then. Never mind!
SD
All that matters to the magic is that the moon looks dark to us. But some people never "get" magic. It's ok. I don't "get" crosswords.
See's.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 10:59 pm | #
Yes, she also sends See's.
you can also banish things with a piece of rebar.
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista!
this is what i like about blogs. sooner or later someone is going to see it from your point of view.
and every one thinks bobo is an idiot.
and they all hate bush. well, at least the blogs that count.
"but when the curtain calls i cry for peace..." fuck'n neil rocks.
Actually, it is. Somebody was being deliberately obtuse cum pedantic and it pissed Hecate off. "Bite me" is perfectly reasonable from my reference point.
NTodd,
I don't think such an observation is obtuse, just pedantic.
How do neo-pagans reconcile the basic fact that the moon is always half dark with the reliance on flat-earth observations of moon phases?
That is a legitimate inquiry into neo-pagan "doctrine", no?
I'm going to go look for some chocolate.
Later Gators.
Charles Bronson got in a fist fight with Jack Palance and made the baby Ditka cry.
I don't think such an observation is obtuse, just pedantic.
Eh, I think it's both.
How do neo-pagans reconcile the basic fact that the moon is always half dark with the reliance on flat-earth observations of moon phases?
Because the import is not that the sun's light doesn't fall on a particular face _per se_, but that it's not reflected onto the Earth. I don't buy that stuff any more than I buy the notion of God, but it's not hard to get how it works in their worldview.
Thees TNR bullsheet has brought las trollitas out from under their rocks.
They are stamping their leetle trollita feet and exuding noxious fart-smelling trollisms over at Gilliard's and at Lindsay Beyerstein's sites.
Everyone's least favorite scroll-troll has oozed back eento the light as well, over at Gilliard's.
so.
How do neo-pagans reconcile the basic fact that the moon is always half dark with the reliance on flat-earth observations of moon phases?
That is a legitimate inquiry into neo-pagan "doctrine", no?
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as the famous granny weatherwax once noted. most of witchcraft is really just headology.
Don't get me wrong, these guys probably are completely harmless and innocent.
But of all the 'detainees', 'enemy combatants' or what ever they are called. Why is shrub releasing Arab nationals? The very place where the 9/11 terrorists came from.
US frees 14 Saudis from Guantanamo
Sunday 25 June 2006, 1:37 Makka Time, 22:37 GMT
Around 450 prisoners remain in Guantanamo Bay.
The US has repatriated 14 Saudi nationals who were being held at the Guantananmo Bay prison camp.
One was released because US officials said the detainee was no longer an "enemy combatant".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
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Pac NW Thermal Whiplash: W/T= mid to high 60s; Fri, 90+; Sat, 95; Sun (predicted), 98; Mon, 100+.
AAAIIIIEEEEEEEE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sarah Deere
Hell, in SE TX that's a daily cycle some parts of the year. Mid 50s at night, near 90 the next day, for a week or so at a time. My favorite times, spring and fall. You don't get the 90+ days, and have that great sleeping weather. Only for short periods, alas...
Charles Bronson got in a fist fight with Jack Palance and made the baby Ditka cry.
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk
Wiki says Jack Palance crashed his bomber during WWII, and required extensive facial surgery. He then embarked on a Hollywood performing career.
Awesome.
Goddammit! Markos ate the last of my frozfruits!
The BASTARD!
And Louis Armstrong...
One was released because US officials said the detainee was no longer an "enemy combatant".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/ ...90B2C51D7EC.htm
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they could tell because he didn't kill himself.
The US has repatriated 14 Saudi nationals who were being held at the Guantananmo Bay prison camp.
It was probably a favor to George's BFF Prince Bandar.
Pac NW Thermal Whiplash: W/T= mid to high 60s; Fri, 90+; Sat, 95; Sun (predicted), 98; Mon, 100+.
During a January thaw a few years back, we were in the 50s one day, and less than 48 hours later it was -30. No, that's not counting windchill.
In "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions," Thomas Kuhn points out that geocentric astronomy can explain ecerything we see in the sky. It's neither right nor wrong. But for most calculations, heliocentric astronomy presents much simpler mathematical equations. You don't need an astrolabe.
The Catholic church adopted exactly this attitude once they realized their geocentrism was doomed. Rather than admitting they'd botched it, they permitted use of heliocentrism as an ingenious shortcut. But hardly God's plan.
We still use geocentrism when plotting the motion of the moon. I'll not step into the suggestively named "3 body problem" (moon, earth and sun) for lunar motion
but it's not hard to get how it works in their worldview.
NTodd
Are you, or have you ever been, a neo-pagan?
The PoV's of various people's practices are legitimate subjects of inquiry... not just the Christian ones.
You may recall the discussion the Prior and I had about fasting.
not step into the suggestively named "3 body problem" (moon, earth and sun) for lunar motion
Draco
Then you'd have to scrape your shoe.
You may recall the discussion the Prior and I had about fasting.
My girlfriend is all about slowing...
and they all hate bush. well, at least the blogs that count.
With the fiery intensity of a thousand white hot suns... On a cheerier note, Fuck Bush!!!
Wait, that wasn't it... I meant to blogwhore and all that rot...
Some post about Summer, and what have you
C'mon, you know you want to read a feel-good piece about Summer memories that has no bearing on your Life... don't you? Well, don't you?!?
i'm pretty sure hecate already knew about the moon being half dark all the time.
Goddammit! Markos ate the last of my frozfruits!
The BASTARD!
SHHHH! We rabid lambs must not squak.
most of witchcraft is really just headology.
Yes. Yes it is. I love Granny Weatherwax.
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Iraq's government clamped a state of emergency on Baghdad and ordered everyone off the streets Friday after U.S. and Iraqi forces battled insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades and rifles near the heavily fortified Green Zone.
The military also announced the deaths of five more U.S. troops in a particularly violent week for American forces that included the discovery of the brutalized bodies of two soldiers. Twelve U.S. service members have died or were found dead this week.
The fighting in the heart of Baghdad came despite a crackdown launched 10 days ago that put tens of thousands of U.S.-backed Iraqi troops on the streets as the new prime minister sought to restore a modicum of safety for the capital's more than 5 million people.
Iraqi and U.S. military forces clashed with heavily armed attackers throughout the morning Friday within earshot of the Green Zone, which houses the U.S. and British embassies and Iraqi government headquarters.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d.../606240339/
1009
pigboy, what's the matter with you? Bush and his regime are stupid, greedy traitors. that's the only answer you need about their motives or actions. 1 size fits all.
i'm pretty sure hecate already knew about the moon being half dark all the time.
Olaf ,/i>
Well, I'm also pretty sure of that.
What I want to know is how that gets reconciled with neo-pagan "doctrine" and practices in whatever tradition she follows.
i'm pretty sure hecate already knew about the moon being half dark all the time.
I did. It's just irrelevant to doing banishing here on Earth where, at this moment, the Moon has vanished.
You don't need an astrolabe.
If you had two, would they be astrolabia?
What I want to know is how that gets reconciled with neo-pagan "doctrine" and practices in whatever tradition she follows.
Neopagans are a bit sketchy on "doctrine." We mostly do what works. I won't whore it again, but there's a post at my blog about why dualism of the sort in which you are engaging does not work.
The Beatles. One of my daycare kids, a 2yo, loves the Beatles, especially "Yellow Submarine." I have this book kids can look at on the changing table that has a street signal in it. She went through the colors, "What does 'red' mean?" etc. Then said, "What does 'black' mean?" I offered, "The lightbulb has burned out." So she asked again "What does 'black' mean?" "The Beatles, 'cause they all have black hair." And now it's part of the poetry of our days together.
C'mon, you know you want to read a feel-good piece about Summer memories that has no bearing on your Life... don't you? Well, don't you?!?
That was very nice. I remember bare feet permanently stained green from grass and soles full of little pebbles that I'd dig out come September and school.
jeez, jr, what do you want from hecate? she never wanted to be a pagan anyway. she wanted to be uniate catholic, but markos wouldn't let her.
Are you, or have you ever been, a neo-pagan?
Nope.
You don't need an astrolabe.
If you had two, would they be astrolabia?
To the Moon, Alice!!!
pigboy, what's the matter with you? Bush and his regime are stupid, greedy traitors. that's the only answer you need about their motives or actions. 1 size fits all.
ronjazz, haloscrewed | 06.24.06 - 11:16 pm | #
I don't know if they are stupid. But they are traitors and I would add cruel, mean spirited, selfish, self-serving, self-absorbed, indignant assholes.
markos markos markos! -Jan Brady
but there's a post at my blog about why dualism of the sort in which you are engaging does not work.
Hecate,
Go ahead and whore it, and be aware that I am not doing dualism.
I am doing a bit of deconstruction on you, though
You don't need an astrolabe.
What about some Astroglide?
You don't need an astrolabe.
Well, Heloise did. But that's a different story.
The PoV's of various people's practices are legitimate subjects of inquiry... not just the Christian ones.
Oddly, I never said only Xtian practices can be questioned. I quite frankly don't give a shit about anybody's practices, so long as they don't interfere with mine. You in a habit of going to funerals and making "legitimate inquiries" into what people are doing?
i hear fireworks.....
here on Earth where, at this moment, the Moon has vanished.
You know, the moon's still there...
After Charles Bronson and Jack Palance sprung the prisoners of Colditz castle, they stole an Austrian biplane and flew it through intense anti-aircraft fire to Brest where they nailed three dozen French whores, drank a nebuchadnezzar of Chateau Lafite (1787), and stole U-367. After ramming into the reefs of Puerto Morelos, they swam to the surface while holding their breath for 17 minutes and rode the backs of sharpnose sharks to shore. For their brave exploits they won the Peabody Award which they promptly shoved up the ass of the baby Bill O'Reilly.
But they are traitors and I would add cruel, mean spirited, selfish, self-serving, self-absorbed, indignant assholes.
pigboy
My take on them is, everybody naturally wants their cake and eat it too. They want your cake and eat it too.
You in a habit of going to funerals and making "legitimate inquiries" into what people are doing?
NTodd,
Funeral practices are certainly a ;egitimate subject of inquiry.
I'm not going to Hecate's ritual and breaking her circle to ask the question, now, am I?
Echidne sez Kos is a vegan. Is that true (There are many jokes here I manage not to get)? I was wondering how he managed to stay so young looking. I bet he still gets carded.
So I guess we're not liveblogging "The War of the Worlds"?
OMG it's STUPID!
What about some Astroglide?
AquaTigre, are you suggesting the market needs an invisible handjob?
good, and evil? eh? dualism. to me its just light and heavy...
Echidne sez Kos is a vegan. Is that true (There are many jokes here I manage not to get)? I was wondering how he managed to stay so young looking. I bet he still gets carded.
Draco | 06.24.06 - 11:24 pm | #
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being 5 feet tall helps a lot.
I bet he still gets carded.
How old is he?
Just got back from An Inconvenient Truth: excellent. Timely. Important.
Gore is what McCain pretends to be -- an independent-minded, honest adult focused on solving actual problems.
Draco, I've read that Markos is vegan. STeve Gilliard says so.
i hear fireworks.....
pigboy | 06.24.06 - 11:22 pm | #
"But there's no one there. I smell flowers but..."
But seriously, last weekend when I posted that I heard fireworks and couldn't* figure out why, I read in the paper on Monday that some folks had bought them for their parents 60th wedding anniversary.
*is it just me or is the apostrophe in the wrong place on the keyboard?
Funeral practices are certainly a ;egitimate subject of inquiry.
At the funeral? You gonna get into people's faces? How nice.
I'm not going to Hecate's ritual and breaking her circle to ask the question, now, am I?
No, just being a pedantic dick here when she was joyfully sharing something. Not everything needs to have an inquiry, and there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
heir breath for 17 minutes and rode the backs of sharpnose sharks to shore. For their brave exploits they won the Peabody Award which they promptly shoved up the ass of the baby Bill O'Reilly.
WalterNeff, Pacific All-Risk
They shoved their Peebodies up his poobody, eh? Wait, that didn't come out righ...aw, fuckit.
attract and repulse
gravity and weightlessness.
I mean, the earth does not revolve around the sun because of good or evil..
My take on them is, everybody naturally wants their cake and eat it too. They want your cake and eat it too.
Max Planck | 06.24.06 - 11:23 pm | #
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Yes. I finished a book not long ago and one of the characters in the book believed that a Republican could only enjoy his meal if he knew someone was going without a meal.
Great, there is a 50 mile wide storm cell that has just materialized over Kingman. I'm going to lose my little canvas gazeebo for sure this time.
What about some Astroglide?
Don't mind if I do...
What about some Astroglide?
Don't mind if I do...
AquaTigre, are you suggesting the market needs an invisible handjob?
Well, it certainly needs to get laid. It's more than a little uptight.
And I find the process of inquiry joyful.
Why do you hate curiosity?
Draco, I've read that Markos is vegan. STeve Gilliard says so.
EEEEEK!
Vegans are worse than Hitler, who was only a vegetarian.
And I find the process of inquiry joyful.
As do I.
Why do you hate curiosity?
I don't. I find people assuming that somebody intelligent like Hecate wouldn't know that the goddamned moon isn't really dark.
If you and the other buttmunch were truly interested in "inquiry" you would, you know, ASK about Hecate's beliefs instead of making pronouncements about the ways of the world.
Gore is what McCain pretends to be -- an independent-minded, honest adult focused on solving actual problems.
Thers, Blogfascist
Absolutely.
Are you flirting?
attract and repulse
gravity and weightlessness.
I mean, the earth does not revolve around the sun because of good or evil..
][Pious Pete][
mmmmm, I dunno. Personally, I think Grabbity is some Really Good Stuff. I mean, imagine trying to stay on the ground without it...
Why do you hate curiosity?
Aye man, curiosity killed the cat, yet what did bring him back?
I will say that satisfaction brought him back
And I find the process of inquiry joyful.
Why do you hate curiosity?
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i don't have a problem with your inquiry, jr. she probably told you to bite her because you were being kind of condescending. not because you were being curious.
NTodd, you are being deliberately obtuse, now.
an independent-minded, honest adult focused on solving actual problems.
Thers, Blogfascist
Like ol' Henry Waxman. That dude doesn't get enough props, IMO.
Not sure I have been this tired for a while. I am gonna sit silently for a few moments in the peace of the night and head to sleep.
Hasta manana.
i don't have a problem with your inquiry, jr. she probably told you to bite her because you were being kind of condescending. not because you were being curious.
Olaf
It wasn't me she said that to.
good night dwd. glad to hear everything went so well.
Evening all.
Is anybody enjoying themselves here? And is it OK?
NTodd, you are being deliberately obtuse, now.
No, I'm not. I'm curious about lots of things, and I don't start my inquiries with pedantic shit.
Thers, Blogfascist
Careful, Thers. I keep reading this as "Blastocyst."
I dunno. Personally, I think Grabbity is some Really Good Stuff. I mean, imagine trying to stay on the ground without it...
...those who wish to prosper thru devious ends gravitate toward nefarity..
Are you flirting?
Hee hee. No, but Gore is totally kuhl.
I wish NTodd & JR were not fighting.
A fool mocks the wise at his peril. To be an honest student is a noble thing, to ape one for a mindless jape is an affront that is not soon forgiven.
It wasn't me she said that to.
Yet you interceded--without 'inquiry', I might add.
And I find the process of inquiry joyful.
Why do you hate curiosity?
There is far too little tone in text, and folks find it hard to convey curiosity and answers appropriately.
That said, one might also bear in mind that other folks might not be 'enjoying the same weekend' as we enjoy... some forbearance might serve us well, here.
Markos is all that and a bag of chips.
I wish NTodd & JR were not fighting.
Fuck you. You're worse than Markos.
Evening all.
Is anybody enjoying themselves here? And is it OK?
flory, Business Manager
Not so much. How are you at waiting for paraffin to melt?
Careful, Thers. I keep reading this as "Blastocyst."
Nothing is more holy or sacred than a blastocyst.
Though I did know an Irishman once named Blast O'Cyst who was a bit of a troublemaker.
NTodd, has it ever occured to you that not everyone here speaks the same dialect as you do? That many people here are not from the same cultural background? That other people have different ways of approaching things?
Markos invented Wonder Bread.
He is damned for eternity.
money has made many a man go bad, but was it because he was evil or the attraction of the material illusion?
other folks might not be 'enjoying the same weekend' as we enjoy...
But aren't all weekends are the exactly the same for all reference points? Dark, like the moon...
Though I did know an Irishman once named Blast O'Cyst who was a bit of a troublemaker.
And his cousin, Paddy O'Furniture.
ERIN GO BRAGH!!!
I guess Markos hasn't told us to stop enjoying
Markos invented Wonder Bread.
lol
NTodd, has it ever occured to you that not everyone here speaks the same dialect as you do? That many people here are not from the same cultural background? That other people have different ways of approaching things?
JR, kerosene and a match
EH????
Not so much. How are you at waiting for paraffin to melt?
GWPDA. PhD, BA, CPhil. | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 11:36 pm | #
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i would have guessed that in phoenix, waiting for it to congeal would be worse.
Chimpy's friends
SAN'A, Yemen -- Yemen's president, a U.S. ally in the war on terrorism, said Saturday he would run for re-election this year despite earlier assurances that he would step down after 28 years in power.
President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has ruled since 1978, previously said he would not seek another seven-year term in September elections because he wanted to open the way for the peaceful transfer of power.
Saturday's announcement was the second time he changed his mind about a promise not to run. He did the same in 1999 -- the first time he faced a direct vote.
Thers, I have a song for you. Unf., I fucked up the technobabble and you may have to wait.
Impatient? Tough parachute pants, brother!!!
Fuck you. You're worse than Markos.
Hee hee. Of course I am. Markos is merely my pawn. John Cole I'm sure could come up with the ridiculous explanation why.
But you're both people I like and I'd rather we were making fun of Ramesh Ponnuru's maidenly voice.
NTodd, has it ever occured to you that not everyone here speaks the same dialect as you do? That many people here are not from the same cultural background? That other people have different ways of approaching things?
Of course. That's the nub of reference points.
Has it occured to you that when a witch makes a statement about the darkness of the moon, pointing out that the moon isn't dark from an astronomical perspective is not the least rude way to engage?
Jeebus.
Markos invented Wonder Bread.
I remember Wonder Bread's tag line was "helps build bodies 12 ways". Funny, they never listed what those ways were.
i would have guessed that in phoenix, waiting for it to congeal would be worse.
Olaf glad and big, Guzzista!
It's all waiting. Waiting, waiting, waiting.... Lord will this cherry preserve ever be done????!!!!
What I want to know is how that gets reconciled with neo-pagan "doctrine" and practices in whatever tradition she follows.
JR, kerosene and a match
For me, it is the recognition of the sacred that emanates from everything, the recognition that perception is often as real as unknowable "reality," that my experience is just as important as anyone else's experience...
But it really isn't important, is it?
Hee hee. Of course I am. Markos is merely my pawn. John Cole I'm sure could come up with the ridiculous explanation why.
Checkmate, bitch.
It was in the dims, from ages ago, alignments with bad anarchy and dust. Clowns on the wrong side. Till they walked down streets, dressed in rags. Hit hard. Hit right out of them. Messengers of the joke. The jokes of hurt. That blood: the laughter of nowhere.
Markos also introduced the concept of bikini waxing to the general populace.
And those coupon inserts in Sunday editions of newspapers.
Impatient? Tough parachute pants, brother!!!
Oy, I had a girlfriend in high school briefly who sometimes wore parachute pants. She was awful cute. I may be the last person on earth with a fond recollection of parachute pants.
Not so much. How are you at waiting for paraffin to melt?
GWPDA. PhD, BA, CPhil
Falls somewhere between waiting for water to boil and paint to dry on my personal enjoyment scale.
Didja get the pitcher I sent you?
The Redneck Pigroast is now playing Pussycat Dolls...
And his cousin, Paddy O'Furniture.
And Trip O'Dometer.
In reality, this is what Markos looks like. On a good day.
I am now serving chocolate cake and ice cream to those interested in dessert.
I guess Markos hasn't told us to stop enjoying
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I have a feelong it wouldn't do him a bit of good...
NTodd, has it ever occured to you that not everyone here speaks the same dialect as you do? That many people here are not from the same cultural background? That other people have different ways of approaching things?
I once killed a man with nothing more than a hatchet in my left hand and the leg of a newborn pig in my right. And after he died, he rose from the grave and came after me again... so, I killed him again.
And do you know what dialect that man spoke?
Dead.
some forbearance might serve us well, here.
Ripley
I was hoping for an intelligent conversation with Hecate, instead I've got NTodd, duck molester.
Oy, I had a girlfriend in high school briefly who sometimes wore parachute pants.
I will refrain from any mention of rip cords or reserve chutes.
whoops.
fucked up that link.
Hey, has Soros handed out our uniforms and boots yet?
It was in the dims, from ages ago, alignments with bad anarchy and dust. Clowns on the wrong side. Till they walked down streets, dressed in rags. Hit hard. Hit right out of them. Messengers of the joke. The jokes of hurt. That blood: the laughter of nowhere.
dith | 06.24.06 - 11:41 pm | #
dith dith dith.
do you think mans first thoughts were what political party he belonged?
If this dith, what you say, is true, how so did the dims, the dumb weak masses survive for so long?
Great, there is a 50 mile wide storm cell that has just materialized over Kingman. I'm going to lose my little canvas gazeebo for sure this time.
catalexis
Oooooooooooooooh! Come down and peg your gazebo here in the Valle del Sol!
And those coupon inserts in Sunday editions of newspapers.
watertiger
If he's responsible for the subscription cards that fall outta magazines, he's a dead man.
I wish NTodd & JR were not fighting.
The first rule of Fight Club is...
I, dith, have never seen a cave painting marked dem or repub.
Have you?
here's my take on neo paganism: they pretty much make it up fresh every day. but they base it all on traditions which were made up less recently. i myself am not a neo pagan. i am a speculative alchemist. we do pretty much the same thing, but it's less girly.
If he's responsible for the subscription cards that fall outta magazines, he's a dead man.
I am so with you on that one.
And if he had anything to do with the perfume inserts... slowly I turned... step by step...!!!
But it really isn't important, is it?
Marcia Brady
How people interact with the universe is always important, one way or another.
I wish NTodd & JR were not fighting.
The first rule of Fight Club is...
dave™©
The first rule of *my* Fight Club is that combatants must have shirts off and be oiled up.
Hey, has Soros handed out our uniforms and boots yet?
I got my uniform boobs.
Oh, you said "boots."
Like Kang and Kodos, I consider myself a Quantum Presbyterian.
I was hoping for an intelligent conversation with Hecate, instead I've got NTodd, duck molester.
Oh, fuck you.
But the moon *is* always half in darkness.
JR, kerosene and a match | 06.24.06 - 10:52 pm | #
Way to engage in "legitimate inquiry". Start with a goddamned question and you might learn something...
And Trip O'Dometer.
Thers, Blogfascist
I've been curious all my life, and here I am surrounded by real PhDs, who oughtta know, so; WTF is an "odo", anyway?.
Didja get the pitcher I sent you?
flory, Business Manager
Yah, but dint I explain that I use PINE and that to see pitchers I have to switch over to a GUI interface? Well, I do. To-morrow. Right now, I'm waiting on the paraffin and the cherries and the preserving and stuff. It was pretty tho, hunh?
Of course, there's Islam O'Fascist.
He hides under wingnuts' beds.
The Redneck Pigroast is now playing Pussycat Dolls...
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist | Homepage | 06.24.06 - 11:43 pm | #
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that's what i always say.
How people interact with the universe is always important, one way or another.
JR, kerosene and a match
And all philosophies and religions and pretty much everything else are stories we tell ourselves until we die, so we may as well tell the most beautiful and joyful stories.
I almost wrote "everythong else," but that would have changed the entire meaning of this comment.
The first rule of *my* Fight Club is that combatants must have shirts off and be oiled up.
I love Marcia B.
I almost wrote "everythong else," but that would have changed the entire meaning of this comment.
Would you say "everythong else" to me on the phone?
And if he had anything to do with the perfume inserts... slowly I turned... step by step...!!!
dave™©
Y'know, since I stopped buying Cosmo, I'm not bothered by those anymore.
Just what magazines are you reading, anyhoo?
I wish NTodd & JR were not fighting.
The first rule of Fight Club is...
dave™©
Oh fuck, this is nothing compared to Thursday night.
If pedantic shit were plopped in the woods where no one could sniff it, would it still stink?
The first rule of *my* Fight Club is that combatants must have shirts off and be oiled up.
Can I keep my truss?
Marcia B--you are aware that NTodd would like women's dainties in his care packages?
The first rule of *my* Fight Club is that combatants must have shirts off and be oiled up.
Marcia Brady
This is NTodd we're talking about. It's not the shirt that comes off first.
And what's he s'posed to be oiling up...?
since I stopped buying Cosmo
I used to read Cosmo for the quizzes, tips on female orgasms, and other articles (of clothing).
Dim aint a political party.
I wish NTodd & JR were not fighting.
The first rule of Fight Club is...
Actually, if they are going to fight they need to do it with giant sporks a la the original Star Trek.
NTodd has the facial hair of the early Klingons. So he's a Klingon. He probably also has a forehead prosthesis somewhere, too.
JR is Kirk, and I wish he'd just fucking come to terms with that iron fact already.
So then (everybody)
DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DAH-DAH-DA-DAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Would you say "everythong else" to me on the phone?
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
I suppose, if it fit logically into the conversation.
Oh well, the dinner party was a let-down. The gay republican didn't beg me for his usual spanking. Not a word about the "liberal media," "crazy bloggers," or Howard Dean's scream all night.
/yawns
Has Eli resurfaced?
I love Marcia B.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I love you, too.
It was pretty tho, hunh?
GWPDA. PhD, BA, CPhil.
Pitcher postcard. Just wait.
I was hoping for an intelligent conversation with Hecate, instead I've got NTodd, duck molester.
Generalities of 'forbearance', aside...
Todd just lost his mother - the memorial is tomorrow. He's entitled to some 'attitude', imo, but I'm one guy...
Like I said, we're not all 'enjoying the same weekend' as everyone else...
Oh fuck, this is nothing compared to Thursday night.
What happened Thursday? Did I miss some mudwrestling? Or worse: jellowrestling?
so we may as well tell the most beautiful and joyful stories.
Marcia Brady
I always find that how things *are* is the most beautiful and joyful of things.
Paraffin's ready, cherry's are preserved, time to cant. Goodnight.
I've been curious all my life, and here I am surrounded by real PhDs, who oughtta know, so; WTF is an "odo", anyway?
Odo.
I suppose, if it fit logically into the conversation.
I will find a way to make it...uh, fit.
Like I said, we're not all 'enjoying the same weekend' as everyone else...
Yet the sun will rise tomorrow...
res, Eli was over at FDL for a while earlier tonight.
Res, no, Eli made me liveblog Android Apocalypse by myself!
Has Eli resurfaced?
Apparently V is in town.
Quantum Presbyterian
interesting.....
I always find that how things *are* is the most beautiful and joyful of things.
JR, kerosene and a match
Good for you.
But history is littered with people who knew how things *are*.
res, Eli was over at FDL for a while earlier tonight.
Fucker's switching teams?
What happened Thursday? Did I miss some mudwrestling? Or worse: jellowrestling?
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
You missed me going from zero to asshole in less than three seconds.
I have issues with gratuitous insults coming at me from out of left field.
But that was Thursday...
He hides under wingnuts' beds.
Jay C.
Especially under the bed of Jeez O'Nazi...
I read where a 176 year old tortoise died today. The article said Darwin himself may have examined the animal. Yet even more unbelievable, the Tigers were the first to 50 wins in MLB this year.
Yet the sun will rise tomorrow...
Blasphemer!!!
Wait... that's right...
Never mind...
/yawns
res ipsa loquitur
It's hard to keep you're blade sharp when there are no decent whetstones around.
I've been curious all my life, and here I am surrounded by real PhDs, who oughtta know, so; WTF is an "odo", anyway?
Odo.
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really? i always thought an odo was a hamster scratching its ass.
Has Eli resurfaced?
Apparently V is in town.
So the logical followup: has V, uh...resurfaced?
Yet even more unbelievable, the Tigers were the first to 50 wins in MLB this year.
Max Planck
And more unbelievable yet, the A's were leading the Giants til fucking Durham hits a 3 run homer in the bottom of the ninth.....
You missed me going from zero to asshole in less than three seconds.
Wow, do you have a turbo? I can't manage in less than 4.3 seconds. Unless I'm wicked drunk--something about biofuels...
U.S. General in Iraq Outlines Troop Cuts
WASHINGTON, June 24 — The top American commander in Iraq has drafted a plan that projects sharp reductions in the United States military presence there by the end of 2007, with the first cuts coming this September, American officials say.
According to a classified briefing at the Pentagon this week by the commander, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the number of American combat brigades in Iraq is projected to decrease to 5 or 6 from the current level of 14 by December 2007.
snip
Now, after criticizing Democratic lawmakers for trying to legislate a timeline for withdrawing troops, skeptics say, the Bush administration seems to have its own private schedule, albeit one that can be adjusted as events unfold.
If executed, the plan could have considerable political significance. The first reductions would take place before this fall's Congressional elections, while even bigger cuts might come before the 2008 presidential election.
Fucker's switching teams?
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
V won't be happy.
But history is littered with people who knew how things *are*.
Marcia Brady
You know the old science joke:
I know the answer to every question you can ask. Usually the answer is "I don't know."
I like to let reality speak for itself.
...the Bush administration seems to have its own private schedule, albeit one that can be adjusted as events unfold.
You don't say.
Odo.
Thers, Blogfascist |
My odometer says I've run down over 250,000 of those...things! I like that...
res, Eli was over at FDL for a while earlier tonight.
It might have been a different Eli unless he's bi-blogal now, that team switcher.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Markos is behind all of this.
Odo.
Thers, Blogfascist |
Odon't
The guy I made my beer money brought me some of this. Just mixed and tried a glass of it. It's supposed to increase one's vitality.
You missed me going from zero to asshole in less than three seconds.
Which was the night the paste-troll was giving me shit? That was ultimately pretty funny...
I like to let reality speak for itself.
JR, kerosene and a match
And if Darwin taught us nothing else, it is what is real today may no longer be real tomorrow.
Maybe the moon isn't always half-dark. Maybe we haven't invented the tools to perceive the light it gives off yet.
Nein, Steve, t'was Eli of MultiMedium.
You don't say.
Jay C.
hypocrites! after all the bs from the floor of the House and the Senate - they had a plan all along to deploy - just plan it so it coincided with the elections of '06 and '08.
It might have been a different Eli unless he's bi-blogal now, that team switcher.
Sometimes we need to move outside our self-constructed barriers.
odo..odo odo.
odo read the cabal, slicked himself up with beef lard, created a talisman, and spake the logos of satan!!!
Odon't
Ripley
I'll bite, you're an Ohdon'tologist, right?
He left me a container of it and I'm supposed to let him know how I feel after taking it a few weeks next time I see him. Tastes sorta chalky.
Maybe we haven't invented the tools to perceive the light it gives off yet.
This is something worth keeping in mind. We don't know everything yet. An open but skeptic approach is the best for me.
Nein, Steve, t'was Eli of MultiMedium.
I still blame Markos.
jr, i think you are setting up a false conflict between the investigation of the material world and a subjective spiritual response to the material world.
Maybe the moon isn't always half-dark. Maybe we haven't invented the tools to perceive the light it gives off yet.
Marcia Brady∞
Well, given Earthshine, I'd say that's a leadpipe cinch...
Tastes sorta chalky.
Ô¿Ô
I'm taking something called bentonite clay for a detox thing I'm sort of doing. It tastes a little creamy at first, then chalky.
Does it have some of that in it?
I still blame Markos.
As well you should.
After all, who else do you think was to blame for the Great Crash of '29?
Well, this blasphemer needs to go say a few "fuck yous" to god and go to sleep. Peace out.
If you can reach 50 wins in baseball before the halfway point, you will do one of two things. Playoffs, or an historic second half choke.
Remember, these Tigers recently posted one of the top 3 all time season losses records. Over 100 losses. What a franchise turnaround in short order!
Sometimes we need to move outside our self-constructed barriers.
watertiger
Ah, like Da Ali G show. Very good.
I still blame Markos.
Is "markos" Greek for "clenis"?
After all, who else do you think was to blame for the Great Crash of '29?
watertiger
See what happens when he starts messing around with people's finances?
Bloggers beware.
Some wingnut on the just radio called the three suicides at Gitmo, "Premeditated Suicide."
After all, who else do you think was to blame for the Great Crash of '29?
29, 30, whatever it takes.
Well, this blasphemer needs to go say a few "fuck yous" to god and go to sleep. Peace out.
NTodd, Blaspheming Fascist
Gods' tough. They can take it.
just called...
Is "markos" Greek for "clenis"?
HG Bergeron, target thrall
Sometimes we need to move outside our self-constructed barriers.
Well said.
(Sobs)
I am actually, deep down, a Klingon woman named Denise stuck in a human male's body.
I feel... so free... now that I've finally admitted it...
g'night, Todd. take the ambien.
Markos is such a bore. He and his followers thin they're so cutting edge. They're as boring and conformist as you can possibly get. Breathless babbling idiots with no spark or light or creativiity in them. Phonies. Markos with his media coaches. His trying to be a big shot. I can see through him fifty miles away. He has no appeal off the internets. He's a pussy. A pansy. He uses phrases like 'catty bitch' in all seriousness.
And if Darwin taught us nothing else, it is what is real today may no longer be real tomorrow.
Marcia Brady
Try not to take this the wrong way, but who do we know that likes to "create their own reality"?
And I'd like to know how the hell you picked on Darwin instead of, say, Hawkings?
Darwin's little Theory is pretty damned robust for something that old, unlike everything in physics.
After all, who else do you think was to blame for the Great Crash of '29?
watertiger
See what happens when he starts messing around with people's finances?
Bloggers beware.
flory, Business Manager
The really amazing thing is that he noted all the bloggers who would refuse to do his bidding, went back in time, and financially ruined their grandparents. That took a little focus and planning.
Gods' tough. They can take it.
Marcia Brady
At least he's smart enough not to say it to the goddesses. They'd kick his oiled ass.....
Wasn't Markos also the 2nd gunmen behind the grassy knoll?
Some wingnut on the just radio called the three suicides at Gitmo, "Premeditated Suicide."
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wow. you must have gotten a lot of beer money.
I feel... so free... now that I've finally admitted it...
keep an eye on the afternoon post at FDL tomorrow...
Markos leaves the cap off the toothpaste.
This is everything it has in it.
Markos drinks from the orange juice container.
That took a little focus and planning.
Marcia Brady
Well, he was finished with the book tour and got a little bored.....
Wasn't Markos also the 2nd gunmen behind the grassy knoll?
And he let Ruby into the basement of the Dallas police station. (He didn't give Ruby the gun, though. That was Hillary.)
Maybe the moon isn't always half-dark. Maybe we haven't invented the tools to perceive the light it gives off yet.
Maybe we never will. I think not all people see the same...an a is an a surely.
But some see what others do not visually, I mean shades of light..energy really, lux. The styx.
Maybe the moon isn't always half-dark. Maybe we haven't invented the tools to perceive the light it gives off yet.
Marcia Brady∞
Well, given Earthshine, I'd say that's a leadpipe cinch...
Elmer
OK, time to be a pedantic dick again.
Reflected light is not emitted light.
Markos also leaves the toilet seat up.
Markos leaves the cap off the toothpaste.
watertiger
AND HE LEAVES THE GODDAMN TOILET SEAT UP!!!!!
ril -- great minds!!
i'm not really a speculative alchemist, by the way. i made that up. mostly i just dick around with archetypes.
And I'd like to know how the hell you picked on Darwin instead of, say, Hawkings?
Darwin's little Theory is pretty damned robust for something that old, unlike everything in physics.
JR, kerosene and a match
My meaning was that, before Darwin, everything was known to be fixed, created, unchanging. After Darwin, everything is known to be mutable, the product of random selection, in flux. His contribution made it possible to imagine that society could be changed since it could be perceived as an organism that evolved, not a hierarchy that was ordained by God.
I knew it. Proof of a vast left wing conspiracy.
Markos leaves the cap off the toothpaste.
Markos drinks from the orange juice container.
He leaves the seat up.
keep an eye on the afternoon post at FDL tomorrow...
Oh dear. well, tell the WORLD!
Seriously, though. Is Klingon's women's underpants as freaky as that shit the Mormons wear? That's the sort of thing we need Dateline to find out for us.
You'd better believe Markos swipes newspapers.
I think not all people see the same...an a is an a surely.
And a tautology.
And I'd like to know how the hell you picked on Darwin instead of, say, Hawkings?
I believe Hawkings prefers the singular.
Seriously, though. Is Klingon's women's underpants as freaky as that shit the Mormons wear?
Well, Denise -- why don't you tell us?
Seriously, though. Is Klingon's women's underpants as freaky as that shit the Mormons wear?
Well, Denise -- why don't you tell us?
I guess I owe everybody a Coke now. Would you like a little bourbon in that?
Sometimes we need to move outside our self-constructed barriers.
I took the road less traveled, once. Damn near broke my ankle on that slippery slope - made my Mom pretty mad, too...
Seriously, though... after coming back from my hiatus, I'm already burned out on trying to nail the national scene with what little wit I have left. And, frankly, I'm not getting much joy from the A-listers... where does that leave a guy like me?
Sustainable living, eco-issues... aWho can keep up with the corruption and graft in DC?
I'm tired of politics, business and Society - I want my sailboat for a few years, then my cabin.
My boundaries will keep people out, not keep me in... (Atriots are invited, of course)
Reflected light is not emitted light.
Yes, but it could also be lite.
That would explain why on a clear June evening you can see the full moon in all its Splenda.
Damn. Frank Rich:
Privates Tucker and Menchaca made the ultimate sacrifice. Their bodies were so mutilated that they could be identified only by DNA. Mr. Safavian, by contrast, can be readily identified by smell. Read it all
OK, time to be a pedantic dick again.
Reflected light is not emitted light.
JR, kerosene and a match
Pftftftftftftftft!
I was really kinda hoping no one would notice I sorta misread that. I was replying to the first half, anyway. Except for Lunar Eclipse, the Moon is always lit by the Sun directly, and the Earth indirectly.
My meaning was that, before Darwin, everything was known to be fixed, created, unchanging. After Darwin, everything is known to be mutable, the product of random selection, in flux. His contribution made it possible to imagine that society could be changed since it could be perceived as an organism that evolved, not a hierarchy that was ordained by God.
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actually, evolution is not the result of "random selection". it is the result of natural selection, which is not random.
Reflected light is not emitted light.
true, but energy strikes the dark side of the moon from other stars =)
Well, Denise -- why don't you tell us?
I don't know what Mormon chicks wear next to their altogether!
What do you think I am, some sort of a freak!?
Reflected light is not emitted light.
Yes, but it could also be lite.
Emitting Miller Lite is one way to put out a campfire.
And, frankly, I'm not getting much joy from the A-listers... where does that leave a guy like me?
With the kids having fun in the back of the bus. Where you belong, a chara.
Nonprofit Groups Funneled Money For Abramoff
Funds Flowed to Lobbying Campaigns
Norquist's relationship with Abramoff's gambling clients began in 1995 when Congress was considering taxing tribal casinos.
Abramoff, then a newly registered lobbyist with Preston Gates & Ellis, e-mailed a colleague that Norquist was willing to fight a tax opposed by another of his clients -- a beverage company -- if the firm became "a major player with ATR." Abramoff suggested the firm donate $50,000 to the group.
"What is most important however is that this matter is kept discreet," Abramoff said in an e-mail on Oct. 24, 1995. "We do not want the opponents to think that we are trying to buy the taxpayer movement." He promised that Norquist would be "very active" on the issue.
The following year, according to the Senate committee report, the Choctaw tribe donated $60,000 to Americans for Tax Reform to oppose a tax on Indian casinos. By 1999, ATR was getting large sums of Choctaw money. "What is the status of the Choctaw stuff?" Norquist asked Abramoff in an e-mail that May. "I have a 75g hole in my budget from last year. ouch."
Emitting Miller Lite is one way to put out a campfire.
I am like Jesus, in that I can very easily turn Miller Lite into water.
Emitting Miller Lite is one way to put out a campfire.
Jay C.
Just don't reflect any, if you please.
That would explain why on a clear June evening you can see the full moon in all its Splenda.
Of all the aspertame comments a guy could make...
I am like Jesus, in that I can very easily turn Miller Lite into water.
Thers, Blogfascist
Yeah, but if you're barefoot like the Big J, you won't wanna walk on it...
turn Miller Lite into water.
You know, you never buy the light from the dark side of the moon: you only rent it.
My meaning was that, before Darwin, everything was known to be fixed, created, unchanging. After Darwin, everything is known to be mutable, the product of random selection, in flux.
Not true. That was primarily Lyell, although even he had antecedants (Burnet, etc).
What Darwin did was pound the final nail in the coffin, but the box had already been built.
And it was already recognized that societies "changed", the European Victorians had no illusions that they had the same society as the ancient Sumerian, for instance.
Darwin's great blasphemy was to deny that Mankind was special.
Even those that accept evolution have problems with this one, today.
I am like Jesus, in that I can very easily turn Miller Lite into water.
Thers, Blogfascist
What's to turn?
Mr. Safavian, by contrast, can be readily identified by smell.
damn.
Evangelical apocalyptic schlockfest 'snoops' on gamers
Spyware Revelations
By Chris Williams
Published Friday 23rd June 2006 13:56 GMT
Watchers of right-wing Christian groups in the States say a new apocalyptic videogame released by cultish Revelations-based fiction series Left Behind is riddled with spyware.
Developers have incorporated software from an Israeli firm called Double Fusion. It incorporates video advertising and product placement into the game, and reportedly records players' behaviour, location, and other data to be uploaded to Left Behind's Bible-powered marketing machine.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/200...elical_spyware/
Marjoe redeux.
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miller lite already is water.
Except for Lunar Eclipse, the Moon is always lit by the Sun directly, and the Earth indirectly.
It matters to whom...???
Light of the world, shine on me
Love is the answer
Shine on us all, set us free
Love is the answer
We should wish for a world that believed it...
Of all the aspertame comments a guy could make...
Ripley
Equals the worst we've seen round here.....
they got charles darwin trapped out on highway five the judge says to the high sherrif I want him dead or alive either way I dont care
the cuckoo is a pretty bird she warbles as she flies Im preachin the word of God Im puttin out yer eyes
BD
miller lite already is water.
You can't buy beer, you can only rent it.
So, does anybody here have Jerome Armstrong as their ">astrologer?
Gary Ruppert |
Yeah, Nancy Reagan does.
even though "speculative alchemist" is a bullshit term that i just made up tonight, i am going to continue to call myself one just because i like the way it sounds.
Not true. That was primarily Lyell, although even he had antecedants (Burnet, etc).
What Darwin did was pound the final nail in the coffin, but the box had already been built.
JR, kerosene and a match
But Darwin was the popularizer, the one whose study diffused the concepts to the masses, and whose studies demonstrated the validity of evolution.
There is a reason that Darwin is the one under attack in the public schools and not Lyell. It isn't called Lyellism.
Developers have incorporated software from an Israeli firm called Double Fusion. It incorporates video advertising and product placement into the game, and reportedly records players' behaviour, location, and other data to be uploaded to Left Behind's Bible-powered marketing machine.
Well, they do call evangelicals "fishers of men".
I guess that being fish doesn't bother them.
Privates Tucker and Menchaca made the ultimate sacrifice. Their bodies were so mutilated that they could be identified only by DNA. Mr. Safavian, by contrast, can be readily identified by smell. Read it all
res ipsa loquitur
They were also beheaded.
I don't know what Mormon chicks wear next to their altogether!
What do you think I am, some sort of a freak!?
Thers
It's the secret underwear, of course.
buono notte.
And remember: Kos created Tony Robbins.
I've just read Bobo's article on Kos. It's a ridiculous article coming from Brooks - who has carried the water for the most corrupt administration in US History!
He had the nerve to call Marcos "kingpin" after spewing the RNC talking points that were controlled by the real kingpin - Karl Rove.
BushCo has a strangle hold on power - on all three branches of government and the MSM. It is absolutely stunning that David Brooks had the gall to write that article about a blogger when the entire country knows that it is the Republican party and their messengers who really run the show!!!
They were also beheaded.
and, in all likelihood, castrated.
miller lite already is water.
Hot dog water.
It's the meaty residue that makes the transubstantiation so darn tricky.
They were also beheaded.
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totally off topic: why is it "beheading" when one's head is removed? normally the prefix "be-" involves something being placed on someone. i think it should be called "deheading".
If science has taught us nothing else (and it hasn't), it's that buying Coors Light will increase the chances of a silver party train pulling into your roach-infested basement apartment.
The Swiftboating of John Murtha
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=1501443
http://www.patriotproject.com/
A last, right wing conspiracy.
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"Deheading" sounds sorta hokey.
BREAKING!!!!
Kos actually played all the instruments on all of Rush's albums.
Rush had no comment, though Canadian vocalist, Geddy Lee, remarked "It was all I could do to keep up with him. I was going to walk away, but Kos offered me $95,993,667,558 Canadian to sing on his records. That's an easy $20,000 American, so I said 'what the fuck, eh?' and just laid down some vocals and told him I had some friends that were pretty good at air band stuff".
Well, Kos? Can you explain how you bamboozled the world, since 1974, with your progressive politicking and faux-Canadian ProgRock bands?
And by the way, Kos, is it Peert or Pert? The public has a right to know...
and, in all likelihood, castrated.
linda
Probably while still alive.
Kos actually played all the instruments on all of Rush's albums.
It was a three-piece, but he troll-rated the other two into obscurity.
Sorry, I can't help myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=f...h=stankervision
"Deheading" sounds sorta hokey.
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yeah. sounds like something you would do to a shrimp.
There is a reason that Darwin is the one under attack in the public schools and not Lyell. It isn't called Lyellism.
Marcia Brady
Here's your original post:
My meaning was that, before Darwin, everything was known to be fixed, created, unchanging.
The Theory of Evolution isn't what destroyed this worldview.
It was geology.
Deep Time.
Burnet was 17th century, but it was Charles Lyell who really hammered it home in his "Principles of Geology".
A copy of which accompanied Darwin on the Beagle.
It was a three-piece, but he troll-rated the other two into obscurity.
Dude -- conform or be cast out.
totally off topic: why is it "beheading" when one's head is removed? normally the prefix "be-" involves something being placed on someone. i think it should be called "deheading".
Think about 'denuding' and all your questions will be answered...
Kos actually played all the instruments on all of Rush's albums.
At 2, he kept a diary, in which he presciently described the loss in Vietnam to the letter.
Sadly, he had banned LBJ and Nixon.
How do atriots process such a killing like the one done to those two soldiers? Do you see it as evil? What do you think of the people who did it? I know you like to enlarge such a discussion to include politics and Bush etc, but in the end, we are all responsible for our own individual actions, regardless. What do you think of people that would behead someone while still alive? How does your mind wrap around such a thing?
Whoa, dith's taken his meds!!
Well dith, I don't speak for everyone, but those that do such things are vile scum, beyond reprehensible.
Lower than guinea worms.
It was a three-piece, but he troll-rated the other two into obscurity.
Dude -- conform or be cast out.
Everybody got to deviate from the norm...
Fucking governors and fucking frogs...
http://planetsean.blogspot.com/2...bad-
lovers.html
MINISTERS who agreed the cut-price sale of the government's defence laboratories had to hand almost half of the paltry fee they received to lawyers, bankers and accountants.
The scandal over the sale of a stake in QinetiQ to an American-owned company has been re-ignited after it emerged that the government paid almost £20m in fees to the external experts who helped drive the deal through.
The sale of the stake in the former government defence laboratories to Carlyle Group for only £42m has been bitterly condemned after a subsequent stockmarket flotation saw the value of its shares rise beyond £400m. The public-spending watchdog, the National Audit Office, has since launched an inquiry, after furious complaints from opposition MPs.
http://news.scotsman.com/politic...fm?
id=927342006
Mission accomplished.
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It's a ridiculous article coming from Brooks - who has carried the water for the most corrupt administration in US History!
Portia
This is Bobo Brooks we're talking about here. All of his articles are ridiculous. It is only the degree of ridiculousness that has to be determined.
Of course - Kos as Mafia Godfather is pretty feckin' ridiculous.
in the end, we are all responsible for our own individual actions, regardless.
In the end, we are all responsible for our own individual actions, regardless of what?
How does your mind wrap around such a thing?
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read an interesting book a long time ago called "darwin's century". can't remember the name of the author. as i recall, the big debate in the 19th century was between catastrophism and gradualism. catastrophism, as an explanation for change, fit right in with the way people thought at the time. the main catastrophe they "knew" about was the great flood in genesis. gradualism was incomprehensible until it became apparent how long the earth had existed.
For execution, culturally, they behead people in the Mid-East. In this country we have lethal injection. Mutilating the bodies is reprehensible. Native Americans used to mutilate settler's bodies they killed. It seems to me it's a way of humiliating an enemy even in death. I don't see it as evil, though.
Learned it from the Brits.
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rich could have included this postscript:
Oversight? No Thanks The Nation
Tue Jun 20, 3:32 PM ET
The Nation -- After all the reports of corporate crimes and contract abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan -- including the recent revelation by Halliburton Watch that Halliburton and its KBR subsidiary knowingly exposed thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq to hazardous levels of unhealthy water from the Euphrates River, including human fecal matter -- the Senate was offered an opportunity on Tuesday to restore a measure of Congressional oversight to the process by which tax dollars are distributed to private corporations and the activities of those corporations in regions of the world that are supposed to be of critical importance to the United States.
As part of the Senate debate over the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 -- the Pentagon budget -- North Dakota Democrat Byron Dorgan proposed a simple amendment "to establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism."
The amendment was rejected.
Fifty-two senators voted "no" -- all of them Republicans, including supposed "straight-shooters" such as Arizona's John McCain and Nebraska's Chuck Hagel.
Forty-four senators voted "yes" -- all of them Democrats, except Rhode Island Republican Lincoln Chafee.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenatio...enation/
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"Darwin has demonstrated this force, this process of Nature; he has opened the door by which a happier coming race will cast out miracles, never to return. Every one who knows what miracles imply will praise him, in consequence, as one of the greatest benefactors of the human race."
David Strauss, German Biblical critic
"Darwin himself grasped the import of his theories. He solicited the advice of his friend, Charles Lyell, regarding his submission of On the Origin of Species to John Murray for publication:
'Would you advise me to tell Murray that my book is not more un-orthodox than the subject makes inevitable. That I do not discuss the origin of man. That I do not bring in any discussion about Genesis, etc, etc, and only give facts, and such conclusions from them as seem to me fair.
Or had I better say nothing to Murray, and assume that he cannot object to this much unorthodoxy, which in fact is not more than any Geologica Treatise which runs slap counter to Genesis.' "
"I felt alarm at the apparent high favour and wide celebrity of Darwin’s theory…because it was likely to establish our descent from Molluscs or Insects….But my own paper emphasizes the improbability of the last step of all – the advance of the savage-man into the civilized, without external help. I doubt the conversion of oats into rye: their conversion into apple-trees, I disbelieve: but what I have undertaken to disprove is the conversion of the unaided savage into the civilized man."
Archbishop of Dublin
Darwin's contemporaries apparently saw his work as earthshaking...
gradualism was incomprehensible until it became apparent how long the earth had existed.
Olaf
Some people still have trouble with gradualism. Atlantis crystal-wavers as well as Creationists.
What could be more humiliating even in death for someone than having their head removed from their body?
How do atriots process such a killing like the one done to those two soldiers? Do you see it as evil? What do you think of the people who did it? I know you like to enlarge such a discussion to include politics and Bush etc, but in the end, we are all responsible for our own individual actions, regardless. What do you think of people that would behead someone while still alive? How does your mind wrap around such a thing?
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this is exactly the sort of thing i expect to see in war. if shit like this didn't happen, i wouldn't really care whether there was a war or not. war is death, destruction, and mayhem, pure and simple. if it wasn't for that, you could go ahead and have one in my front yard for all i care.
Darwin's contemporaries apparently saw his work as earthshaking...
Marcia Brady
But not for the reasons that you said.
It dethroned Man as the pinnacle of Creation. Lyell had already established (completely) that the world was not static.
youre dead I imagine before its done so for the one getting beheaded in such a fashion its probably more akin to getting your throat cut ghastly to think of such a thing but its the times we live in an age where we will all come to suffer such a stripping of humanity in one way or another
Probably while still alive.
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i know.
my first comment on their capture was the third soldier who had been killed at the initial encounter was that he was the fortunate one.
Oh fuck it, we had this conversation a coupla nights ago with another troll. Christians beheaded one another for centuries, all the way from Henry VIII's axe, or Mssr. Guillotine's "civilized" machine. They would grab the severed head by the ears and hold it drippingly high above the applauding cowd.
Don't give me any of this "Christians would never do that sort of thing" horseshit. I'm too tired.
But I don't know how "civilized" I would be if an enemy invaded my home and killed my family and friends so they could steal my people's oil. I could think of some really wicked revenge I would do.
didnt give you that 'sort of shit'...
Didn't US soldiers collect ears from dead Viet Cong to prove "kill numbers" in Vietnam? And didn't this represent to the Vietnamese a bodily mutilation that would prohibit them from afterlife? I seem to recall this as being the case.
Short response: it's fucked.
And continued US presence isn't going to un-fuck it.
Legally speaking, of course.
Well, yeah, the guys who decapitated the soldiers are sick fuckers.
But I don't see how you can hold the whole country responsible.
Even with a mortal enemy there are limits to what I could inflict. Moral limits. Besides, those two soldiers were just people theyd never met. Caught up in the insane situation. And I bet those doing the beheadings werent even from Iraq prolly jihadists from outside the country. The same kind who do the carbombings of civilians. They arent 'freedom fighters' not in the sense you try and think of them. They represent something else, something that cant be reasoned with. Something notnew on the earth, but new in its direction and particular intensity: a deep irrationality, a hatred for hatreds sake, and a bloody will to power.
It seems to me having one's head removed in death makes one less of a person and more like a thing. That's the intent of the one doing the beheading.
And I bet those doing the beheadings werent even from Iraq prolly jihadists from outside the country.
Got any evidence of that?
They represent something else, something that cant be reasoned with. Something notnew on the earth, but new in its direction and particular intensity: a deep irrationality, a hatred for hatreds sake, and a bloody will to power.
This statement also perfectly encapsulates US foreign policy (and now domestic policy).
For execution, culturally, they behead people in the Mid-East. In this country we have lethal injection. Mutilating the bodies is reprehensible. Native Americans used to mutilate settler's bodies they killed. It seems to me it's a way of humiliating an enemy even in death. I don't see it as evil, though.
We. have. no. right.
We, being human monkeys on this planet who dare to call ourselves 'civilized' after what, 1300 years? and we're still killing other humans and calling ourselves 'Human'?
Wrap your mind around it, as dith said.
What fucking possible right or excuse can we, as 21st Century Humans, have.. (start wrapping your minds) to KILL someone? Self defense? Not in the thousands by national proxy, god damn it!
Good Christ, we can't cure cancer - we can't cure heart disease, we can't cure the god damned common cold!! But we spend $500 Billion/year on 'Defense'... we spend $1B/week in Iraq, that I sure as fuck can't afford, for what? For god damned fucking sweet jesus on the cross WHAT???
To kill that 'other' who makes us feel squirmy. Because, after 1300+ years of 'civilization', we're no better than a bunch of god damned monkeys in pants. Screeching and pointing and flinging shit at each other and growing old and dying.
We are the saddest species.
What do I think about torture? I think it's evil and cruel.
Many bodies showing up in the Baghdad morgue have been tortured with drills & other horrors. This has been increasingly a problem since the dome was blown up.
I can't imagine what it's like for the families of those who've been killed by torture.
Didn't US soldiers collect ears from dead Viet Cong to prove "kill numbers" in Vietnam?
I've seen super 8's that my uncle shot in Nam that would make your head and your stomach spin.
Desentitization is a horrendous thing.
maybe i didn't make myself clear. death, destruction, and mayhem is not some peculiar epiphenomenon that is unique to this particular war. it is the very definition of war. i didn't want war. others did. they got it. you got what you wanted. it includes all sorts of acts of violence every single time. if you are just now discovering that people die violent deaths and corpses get mutilated in war, you're a dumbass.
We, being human monkeys on this planet who dare to call ourselves 'civilized' after what, 1300 years?
You might want to check your math.
pedant mode on
and we're apes, not monkeys
pedant mode off
Even with a mortal enemy there are limits to what I could inflict.
Aye, and there's the rub, isn't it? You gotta be goddamned surer than anything else in your lifetime, to be the Commander in Chief, and to unleash the US beast on another nation.
Watching The Misfits on TV. Marilyn just said "You never felt anything for anybody in your life. All you know is sad words. You could blow up the world, and all you'd feel is sorry for yourself."
Watching The Misfits on TV.
We'll be right back with Danzig's take on the new Fed Chair.
Steve - well, dith seems to suggest that there's something "inhuman" about those who would mutilate the bodies of their enemies. I suppose this would make us "inhuman" as well.
It seems to me having one's head removed in death makes one less of a person and more like a thing. That's the intent of the one doing the beheading.
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in the european tradition, beheading was a priveledge for aristocrats who were sentenced to death. commoners were hanged.
To young Henry Adams, bewildered by his recent experiences in Civil War diplomacy, it at lastt suggested an intelligible rationale for recent history:
"He felt like nine men in ten, an instinctive belief in Evolution…
Natural Selection led back to Natural Evolution, and at last to Natural Uniformity. This was a vast stride. Unbroken Evolution under uniform conditions pleased everyone except curates and bishops; it was the very best substitute for religion; a safe, conservative, practical, thoroughly Common Law deity. Such a working system for the universe suited a young man who had just helped to waste five or ten thousand million dollars and a million lives, more or less, to enforce unity and uniformity on people who objected to it; the idea was only too seductive in its perfection; it had the charm of art."
For others, more confident of the optimistic implications of evolution, The Origin of Species became an oracle, consulted with the reverence usually reserved for Scripture. Charles Loring Brace, a leading social worker and reformer, read it thirteen times and emerged with the assurance that evolution guaranteed the final fruition of human virtue and the perfectibility of man. " For if the Darwinian theory be true, the law of natural selection applies to all the moral history of mankind, as well as the physical. Evil must die ultimately as the weaker element, in the struggle with good."
The Coming of Darwinism
Rosarito beheading reflection of drug war
Los Angeles Times
Jun. 23, 2006 06:35 PM
TIJUANA, Mexico -- The caller painted an ominous scene: A convoy of 40 vehicles filled with 70 heavily armed and masked men, witnesses said, was prowling the streets of Rosarito Beach. Three police officers responded to the quiet neighborhood and were quickly abducted. A day later, their mutilated bodies turned up in an empty lot.
Their heads were found in the Tijuana River.
The attack was the latest in a series of paramilitary-style operations that have plagued Mexican cities as warring drug cartels escalate their battles to control key smuggling routes.
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We, being human monkeys on this planet who dare to call ourselves 'civilized' after what, 1300 years?
You might want to check your math.
I'm not a historian. But isn't 1300 years enough time to get it right? Shouldn't we be more 'civilized' than humans 1300 years ago?
Man on the moon. Circumnavigation. Satellites. MTV, for fuck's sake!!
Executions happen in war and in peace time. Even the mutilating of bodies, sure, in various ways, not new obviously. But this cutting of the head with a dull knife while the other is still living and breathing. That's something else. Sure it's happened before. But this is different in some small but very crucial ways. Even a guilliotine is a totally different situation. And the level of bodily desecration that occurred...
Are we that much more 'civilized'? No.
The Coming of Darwinism
Marcia Brady
And the Ramtha cult thinks that quantum physics proves that Atlantean shamans communicate with 20th century housewives.
Neither of those examples were actually involved in science.
Spencer used Darwin to promote a brutal, ugly, and still popular distortion called "Social Darwinism".
I'm not a historian. But isn't 1300 years enough time to get it right?
It took this nation 66 years to go from a canvas and stick motorized kite to leaving bootprints on the Moon.
The geopolitical stuff? Not so good.
NYT editorial:
The Speaker's Hard Lesson in Reform
Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, promised credible reform back when the stench of illegal quid pro quo dealings between lobbyists and ethically challenged lawmakers seized public attention. But nothing close to true self-policing is emerging from Congress. And now Mr. Hastert is the latest lawmaker in the limelight for the rampant pork-barrel practice of earmarking — the swift, debate-free inclusion in mass appropriations bills of small fortunes in government favors for special pleaders.
In the speaker's case, his $200 million earmark to advance a road project known as Prairie Parkway back home in Illinois became an acute embarrassment after local news media and critics discovered Mr. Hastert netted a fast $2 million profit from dealing in land situated several miles from the proposed roadway.
How embarassing for Hastert!! It's good old fashioned graft - like in the movie "Mr Smith goes to Washington" except that the "Taylor" Machine was gonna profit from the building of a dam not a highwasy - but same dif! Denny probably jumped at the opportunity to make a few bucks for his retirement. After all, those around him had their hands in the cookie jar, too.
Absolute power corrupts - absolutely!!
I'm not a historian. But isn't 1300 years enough time to get it right? Shouldn't we be more 'civilized' than humans 1300 years ago?
Well, on an interpersonal level we're less violent.
Does that help?
Dith, go piss up a rope. No one wants to read your dumbass comments. You wanted the war, you got the war. You do not have a very high moral ground to complain, what happens now, since you got the war.
Anyway, your statement kinda implied that we'd only been at it 1300 years.
We've been at it for millions of years.
But this cutting of the head with a dull knife while the other is still living and breathing. That's something else.
Google "History of torture."
Torture is the only thing that "humans" have ever perfected.
Spencer used Darwin to promote a brutal, ugly, and still popular distortion called "Social Darwinism".
JR, kerosene and a match
That was William Jennings Bryan's fear.
The pragmatists used Darwinism's concept of mutability to promote social welfare.
dith - ok, so basically what you're saying is that you never anticipated that the enemy (be they "terrorists" or "insurgents") in Iraq would do things such as this in order to psychologically screw with an invasionary force?
Uh, why the fuck did it not occur to you? The more overwhelming the odds against one side in a military struggle, the more likely they are to resort to psychological warfare.
This is why it's so fucking stupid to start a war on a whim, like the neocon fuckwits did.
I didnt want the war.
Torture is the only thing that "humans" have ever perfected.
Steve French
Oh, I think that there's probably room for "improvement" even there.
But this cutting of the head with a dull knife while the other is still living and breathing. That's something else. Sure it's happened before. But this is different in some small but very crucial ways. Even a guilliotine is a totally different situation. And the level of bodily desecration that occurred...
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ok. so apparently you were there and you know how the whole thing played out? you have information about the sharpness of the knife, etc. its really hard to cut someone's head off with a dull knife, by the way. impossible to keep him alive while you do it.
We'll be right back with Danzig's take on the new Fed Chair.
The Fed Chairs? Didn't they play CBGB last week?
Outta here chiropterae.
Oh, sheets.
And the level of bodily desecration that occurred...
dith
Let's hope it happened after they died and not before.
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One interesting shift in the history of crime and punishment is the shift in the 18th century of Western state practices in terms of torture and public capitol punishment.
Prior to the late 18th century European countries had all sorts of awful ways to torture people to death. Drawing and quartering, for example, was just one horrific way people were tortured to death.
I didnt want the war.
dith
Well, then, if you are referring to the Iraqi war, your 2003 feeling was shared by the vast majority of the US officer corps. Make no mistake about that.
But this cutting of the head with a dull knife while the other is still living and breathing.
And I'll bet you a week's pay that there's some American dumbfuck, right now, saying 'she was askin' for it, with that short skirt' and doesn't understand the similarity.
Americans are not perfect, no matter what BushCo tells you, pally.
desecration of corpses doesn't really bother me much. i'm not for it or anything, but i don't see how it matters much one way or another if you corpse gets hacked up. i know it bothers a lot of people though.
thought it was a nightmare
lo, it's all so true
they told me, don't go walkin slow
'cause devil's on the loose
thought I heard a rumblin
callin to my name
two hundred million guns are loaded
Satan cries, Take aim!
over on the mountain,
thunder magic spoke,
Let the people know my wisdom,
fill the land with smoke
better run through the jungle
and don't look back to see.
Perhaps youre right, its not as new as I think it is. Ill have to think about it. There is still a bloody viciousness over there, systematically used, and yet still almost irrational, a tapping into that irrational animal psychotic side, that is frightening. The bombings, the beheadings, the drills, the kids lined up and shot, the innocent people taken off buses and shot in cold blood just for trying to go to work. I was against the war, still am. But nothing can justify such acts, in the end each one is responsible for their own actions. And howerver evil you think Bush is, many of those on the other side, are just as evil. Your 'sides' dont amount to jack. The devil plays both sides and he plays them well like a fiddle.
What about the multilation that occurs when you do saturation bombing and incinedary devices against people, some of the innocent civilians?
And obviously, castration is another form of humiliation for a male enemy. It's meant to take your opponents man-ness away and make him weak and "feminine." Definitely not people I would like to sit and have a beer with but I would call what they did savagery and not evil.
But this cutting of the head with a dull knife while the other is still living and breathing. That's something else. Sure it's happened before. But this is different in some small but very crucial ways. Even a guilliotine is a totally different situation. And the level of bodily desecration that occurred...
dith
um, There's really no reason for you to be surprised when tortured dead people have been turning up in Baghdad regularly for a few months now. Every day the police in Baghdad collect tortured dead bodies.
Why in the world are you surprised? How do you feel about those tortured dead people? And why are you asking stupid questions like "how do you feel about tortured dead people" as if it hasn't been happening since the dome blew up!
Perhaps youre right, its not as new as I think it is. Ill have to think about it. There is still a bloody viciousness over there, systematically used, and yet still almost irrational, a tapping into that irrational animal psychotic side, that is frightening. The bombings, the beheadings, the drills, the kids lined up and shot, the innocent people taken off buses and shot in cold blood just for trying to go to work. I was against the war, still am. But nothing can justify such acts, in the end each one is responsible for their own actions. And howerver evil you think Bush is, many of those on the other side, are just as evil. Your 'sides' dont amount to jack. The devil plays both sides and he plays them well like a fiddle.
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there's a word for it. the word is "war". like i said, if it wasn't for all that stuff, you could go have a war in my front yard for all i care.
YES DITH, I HAVE PLAYED WITH YOU WELL. I HAVE D0NE THIS FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE. WHY NOT END ALL THE PAIN AND JOIN ME NOW?
What about the multilation that occurs when you do saturation bombing and incinedary devices against people, some of the innocent civilians?
Doug
Then you get high-fives and breathless reports about waging a "21st Century War."
Definitely not people I would like to sit and have a beer with but I would call what they did savagery and not evil.
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If the person is alive when it happens - that's pretty clearly evil for me. But people have various definitions of evil.
I'm sure we can agree on sadistic.
I read where a 176 year old tortoise died today. The article said Darwin himself may have examined the animal.
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After I read that Orange Roughy live for up to 150 years I decided I could not in good conscience eat anything that was swimming around when Lincoln got shot.
Oh, I think that there's probably room for "improvement" even there.
Perhaps, but I doubt it.
The Romans would construct a bull made of iron and would imprison people inside it, then light a fire under the belly of the beast. When the person inside began to scream in pain the sound would be converted into a shrill whistle by an engineered device implanted in the bull's nostrils.
There's nothing new under the sun.
I saw The Misfits just a few weeks ago. The honky-tonk sequence where Monroe hits a paddle-ball over 40 times in a row, shaking her hips and laughing while the jukebox blares and men around her frantically make bets, is pure cinema. Her streak ends when some lout touches her butt, provoking a melee where the bettors scramble for all the money they've laid out. That's why John Huston's an auteur.
I know its been happening. I wrap my mind around it by allowing myself to be shocked.
But I wasnt as aware that theyre were that many, just random, type torture, that you talk about, since the dome blew up? Killings yes, but not torture.
Ill tell you what a new kind of frightening evil are those predator drones.
And howerver evil you think Bush is, many of those on the other side, are just as evil.
I don't think of the President so much as evil (which implies a modicum of awareness), than I do a rich party boy, bubble-wrap protected for 55 years from any semblence of actual humanity, Peter-Principled into the levers of power, and bullrushed by the DC street-hardened counsel of Cheney and Rumsfeld.
And Colin Powell was his only wafer-thin patina of traditional executive credibility, and he turned him away.
dith, i'm just curious, are you really dith? the one who writes the surrealistic prose in the style of dylan liner notes?
But I wasnt as aware that theyre were that many, just random, type torture, that you talk about, since the dome blew up? Killings yes, but not torture.
dith
Yes. The reports have been comming in for a few months now. People have had ears cut off/ eyes taken out/ power drills used -- and while we can hope this was done after death, it looks like torture pre-death. The New York Times had some stuff on it a while back & had talked to the guy who's in charge of the Baghdad morgue.
Likewise with those soldiers. I hope it was done for psychological reasons after their death. But if they were not killed right away they were most likely tortured.
I might be.
music sheets upstairs!
If it wasnt done for psychological reasons, but was done because to them it was some kind of justice...thats well...
If it wasnt done for psychological reasons, but was done because to them it was some kind of justice...thats well...
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war.
war, where the insurgents are facing overwhelming military might. Terrorism is one of the few strong tools they have in their kit. It's the one place where military might has little effect.
more than that.
i'm having a hard time mustering up any sympathy for people whose beautiful war is being sullied by acts of grotesque savagery.
Torture as a political tactic isn't something surpising and unheard of in Iraq, either.
the main reason for avoiding war is because it involves acts of grotesque savagery.
you keep blowin' up the picture so you dont have to process things directly as I said individuals are in the end responsible for what they do
you keep blowin' up the picture so you dont have to process things directly as I said individuals are in the end responsible for what they do
dith
I never said they weren't. What is your point?
you keep blowin' up the picture so you dont have to process things directly as I said individuals are in the end responsible for what they do
dith | 06.25.06 - 1:31 am | #
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which individuals? i hold george w. bush individually responsible for starting this increasingly gruesome war. that is worse than cutting some dead guy's head off.
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
A blog of a dentist in Baghdad.
He's also been writing for the NYTimes and has applied to journalism school in the states.
you keep blowin' up the picture so you dont have to process things directly as I said individuals are in the end responsible for what they do
dith | 06.25.06 - 1:31 am | #
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i keep blowing up the picture because the picture isn't worth a fuck. it isn't worth 5 words, much less 20. america went to war and its soldiers are dying violent deaths because of it. what the hell did you expect?
that should have been "it isn't worth 5 words, much less 1000". it was intended to be an elegant rhetorical flourish. failed miserably.
well in the end words cant do it justice anyway
Is there a little icon I can stick on my blog so that people know Markos controls my mind?
time yo go to sleep zzzzzzzzzzz
you keep blowin' up the picture so you dont have to process things directly as I said individuals are in the end responsible for what they do
dith
What the fuck are you talking about?
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