I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
hey hey!
Huh?
Leeloo Dallas MultiPass!
http://agonist.org/sean_paul_kel.../
the_naked_ones
Had enough?
PS Wolcott has a great post up, The Damned: jameswolcott.com
I guess this song is topical, then.
Catchy, too!
QUESTIONS:
1) WHAT DO SERIAL CHILD MURDERERS DESERVE?
2) HOW MANY ACTUAL CHILDREN HAS THE BUSH REGIME MURDERED?
3) AGAIN -- SERIAL CHILD MURDERERS DESERVE WHAT?
Every sperm is sacred.
What will we tell the snowflakies?
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QUESTIONS:
1) WHAT DO SERIAL CHILD MURDERERS DESERVE?
2) HOW MANY ACTUAL CHILDREN HAS THE BUSH REGIME MURDERED?
3) AGAIN -- SERIAL CHILD MURDERERS DESERVE WHAT?
Anonymous
Let me check with Falafel O'Liley, I'm sure he's got the answer to all of those questions. Child molesters seem to be one of his perversions.
I'll ask again: can you find missing WMDs using stem cells?
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Blastocysts R Us!
You're not accusing these people of hypocrisy. Surely you jest...
Assholes. Every single one of them.
Maybe Rick Santorum can put them in jars and market them on QVC.
Every sperm is sacred.
This suggests an intriguing addition to the anti-vampire... toolkit.
If a sperm gets wasted, god gets quite irate.
Maybe Rick Santorum can put them in jars and market them on QVC.
Mmm... spermalade.
Most people understand intuitively that the overwhelming majority of embryos that are the byproduct of in vitro fertilization will not become babies, and real medical and scientific advances could be made if these embryos were available to scientists.
It would be nice to believe that, but a little reminder from the Dems now and then wouldn't hurt.
All the adoption slots were taken by dusky snowflakes.
Santorum/Lieberman08'
"But I'm just an embryo,
With a long, long way to go...
Until I make my brothers understand!
It would be nice to believe that, but a little reminder from the Dems now and then wouldn't hurt.
No! No! Anything but that! We're totally all Christians! Really!
If we don't adopt the snowflake babies then the terrorists have won.
C'mon miss Coulter, put your uterus where your mouth is.
The snowflake adoption rate is about 0.03% -- I guess that shows how willing the anti stem cell crowd is to actually walking the walk...
Whither the mason jars?
put your uterus where your mouth is.
she does. when she's alone.
C'mon miss Coulter, put your uterus where your mouth is.
mr hostess
You can't really expect anything to grow in there can you? Aside from festering bacteria....
Talking is so much easier than walking.
Damn I had those numbers kinda backwards. I thought it was 400 out of 128,000. Damn dyslexia.
C'mon miss Coulter, put your uterus where your mouth is.
She has an actual working uterus? Wow, sex changes are getting better and better.
If a sperm gets wasted, god gets quite irate.
Define wasted?
What if we start saying these are potential terrorist cells?
This is OT...but things are going just great with U.S. Middle East policy. Check out this post by Billmon...
http://billmon.org/archives/002551.html
Warning: It's very graphic.
I guess that shows how willing the anti stem cell crowd is to actually walking the walk...
their keeping their sperm dry
I read that Glenn Greenwald just left his boyfriend because he was posting defenses of him at a whole bunch of web blogs using phony names, but doing so on Greenwald's PC. Apparently, Greenwald is moving back to the States and has accepted an offer to move in with Andrew Sullivan.
What if we start saying these are potential terrorist cells?
Would that really be a celling point?
Christ on a cracker, what's with the gay jokes?
Greenwald really, really scares these guys.
She has an actual working uterus?*
*information unavailable.
YO BLAIR!
It's not exactly as if pro-life wingnut women who think these frozen embryos are "babies" are volunteering to become impregnanted with them.
Nah, carping about the "sanctity of life" is only fun when you can Monday Night Quarterback about it.
The snowflake adoption rate is about 0.03%
That's 0.032%. Don't forget the 0.002%!
Would that really be a celling point?
Mitosis, but then it mitosis not.
Actually I ordered those blastocysts. I hear they taste great on a cracker... just like caviar!
TAX religion, to pay for all these new people that will be saved from abortion.
The watch Robertson, and Falwell run.
Actually I ordered those blastocysts. I hear they taste great on a cracker... just like caviar!
Oh great! I wonder how long it will be before conservatives start claiming liberals are baby eaters.
o-
Aw, damn, my artwork was truncated by haloscan!
Censorship!
Oh great! I wonder how long it will be before conservatives start claiming liberals are baby eaters.
I'm sure the Jonathan Swift-boating has already commenced.
the Bush Junta love the unborn and are doing their very best to kill of the actual born
Well 128 pregnancies means that there have probably been a few hundred to a few thousand attempts to implant these zygotes. (As an aside, what do the wings nuts say about implantations that fail?)
But even if you graciously give them 4,000 attempts (each zygote being an attempt, even if more than one are implanted at one time) that's only 1% even attemped. And the actual number is probably less.
The "serious" opponents of stem cell research seem to think that the destruction of embryos in pursuit of a purpose, no matter how worthy, is morally inferior to the inevitable disposal of surplus embryos that were created to enable people to have children with their own genes ("create life").
Meaningless death is thus superior to death for a cause. Does this have anything to do with why we went into Iraq?
ciao for now
catch you all laters
TAX religion, to pay for all these new people that will be saved from abortion.
The watch Robertson, and Falwell run.
sally
You would never hear the phase "separation of church and state" screamed so loudly in your life!
(As an aside, what do the wings nuts say about implantations that fail?)
lutton
Umm, God's will?
Umm, God's will?
Like a touchdown pass, or a hurricane.
If these embryos are living, shouldn't it be illegal to sell them?
Even so, I'm willing to bet that some of today's snowflakes will appear as props in some GOP campaign commercials in 2012.
Actually I ordered those blastocysts. I hear they taste great on a cracker... just like caviar!
Gryn
Make sure they're thawed out good. They don't spread worth a damn when frozen.
What Bush should do is Invade Antarctica
We could use a cool breeze around here...
Umm, God's will?
Like a touchdown pass, or a hurricane.
Like a fly in your chardonnay...
I wrote this PARODY press release last year. It describes what a real consistence policy of Focus on the Family toward stem cell research and IVF would look and sound like:
Focus on the Family Demands Global Halt to In Vitro Fertilization
Standard methods lead to death of thousands of unborn children
Colorado Springs, Colo. — EMBARGOED UNTIL June 6, 2005 Focus on the Family Founder Dr. James Dobson, today called for an immediate worldwide halt to all in vitro fertilization procedures. “This procedure almost always results in the death of unborn children, often several unborn children die for each successful attempt. I said it regarding stem cell research and it’s time to apply it to in vitro fertilization --it is never morally or ethically justifiable to kill one human being in order to benefit another.”
[snip]
“The stem cell debate finally brought this issue into focus for us. No person that calls themselves a Christian should be involved in IVF. It is morally inconsistent to say we support a culture of life and then prepare tiny babies to die in a test tube or to languish in a freezer never knowing God’s love.” said Carrie Gordon Earll, Senior Policy Analyst for Bioethics at Focus on the Family and a fellow with the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity. “We regret having to prosecute Christians who thought that IVF was different than abortion, but as Exodus 21:22-25, NIV tells us, “If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.’
Read the rest here:
http://s88172659.onlinehome.us/2...al-halt-
to.html
What was especially scary was that in doing the parody release I found a lot of actual scary real views on the Focus on the Fetus (I mean 'Family') website.
Even so, I'm willing to bet that some of today's snowflakes will appear as props in some GOP campaign commercials in 2012.
OhGod, they'll be talking, won't they. "Thank you, Republicans, for not letting the Evil Liberal Scientists dissect me for medical experiments."
"Oh great! I wonder how long it will be before conservatives start claiming liberals are baby eaters."
I was just kidding! I swear I have never eaten a baby.
Ok there was that one time at one of those DC beltway cocktail parties. I didn't want to be rude when Robert Novak said I just had to try some the BBQ baby ribs.
Like a fly in your chardonnay...
NTodd,
That was going to be my next post, dammit!
NTodd has yet to condemn Alanis' definition of "irony".
WooHoo, hot water! I'm takin' a shower!
Then I'm going to buy more beer, perhaps order in some pasta.
Envy me, won't you...
Even so, I'm willing to bet that some of today's snowflakes will appear as props in some GOP campaign commercials in 2012.
It's already being done.
http://www.grg.org/SnowflakeBush.htm
So if all those adorable white blastocysts are snowflakes are chinese blastocysts yellow snowf......nevermind
If this were a normal news time, the big story this week would be Bush’s veto of legislation to expand federally funded embryonic stem-cell research.
So what would a "normal news time" look like in the Bush administration? They have spent their entire time in office practising crisis mismanagement.
Those are just flakes. The repugs have lots of those and they aren't props.
Afternoon all.
Anything irksome happen since last
night?
NTodd has yet to condemn Alanis' definition of "irony".
Ironic, isn't it?
WooHoo, hot water! I'm takin' a shower!
Then I'm going to buy more beer, perhaps order in some pasta.
Envy me, won't you...
Marcia Brady∞
I envy you. But 'order in some pasta'? Is that like ordering some hard boiled eggs? Having some soda crackers delivered? Or are you living in one of those swell new fangled apartment hotel thingies with room service day and night?
Envy me, won't you...
Okeedokee!
Envy me, won't you...
Okeedokee!
Just got out of the pool here in sunny SoCal
I envy you. But 'order in some pasta'? Is that like ordering some hard boiled eggs? Having some soda crackers delivered? Or are you living in one of those swell new fangled apartment hotel thingies with room service day and night?
GWPDA Broadsword of Compassion
Well, my grocery store is closed due to the power situation and I have no desire to schlep two subway stops away. Plus, it's really yummy pasta.
Lena was all shocked when she visited CA and realized that all she could get delivered was pizza.
Afternoon, rational... er... rational people.
Having some soda crackers delivered?
captain bligh to room 12 please!
Well, y'know Safeway'll deliver a can of Comet for a price.
Did NTodd ever get back with the likker?
Lena was all shocked when she visited CA and realized that all she could get delivered was pizza.
Not so here in LA. Anything can be delivered, sandwiches, Indian, Thai, Chinese, whatever...
"Oh great! I wonder how long it will be before conservatives start claiming liberals are baby eaters."
You're right, they're much better over easy with toast and hash browns.
But, but TEH STEM CELLS! They're sapping our precious bodily fluids!!!
stem cells in a robin's nest
oops, forgot to close the italics tag
Not so here in LA. Anything can be delivered, sandwiches, Indian, Thai, Chinese, whatever...
SteveAudio
We lived in the 'burbs.
Did NTodd ever get back with the likker?
Likker? I hardly no 'er!
Not so here in LA. Anything can be delivered, sandwiches, Indian, Thai, Chinese, whatever...
SteveAudio
stephen colbert report:
his 'black friend' was worth 'three sikhs and one filipino'
We lived in the 'burbs.
Marcia Brady?
Yeah, then it's mostly pizza, although I'm in the burbs here, and still, lots of delivery around here.
What Bush should do is Invade Antarctica
Bring. It. On.
I'll chase ya out like little lemmings.
Grrrrrrr!
hard rain falling in the Liban.
his 'black friend' was worth 'three sikhs and one filipino'
I think it was three sikhs and a mexican, equivalent to 2 philipinos.
his 'black friend' was worth 'three sikhs and one filipino'
I think it was three sikhs and a mexican, equivalent to 2 philipinos.
picture george bush's face in the centre of a snowflake falling slowmo to the tune of al green's 'little green apples'....
ah, the party of lincoln...
Likker? I hardly no 'er!
NTodd, Intertube Master
==
Better let me handle it then.
Even so, I'm willing to bet that some of today's snowflakes will appear as props in some GOP campaign commercials in 2012.
They're already using them as props.
Except some of them flip off the Preznit.
I think it was three sikhs and a mexican, equivalent to 2 philipinos.
SteveAudio
doh! no wonder I always lost at jacks!
Likker? I hardly no 'er!
NTodd, Intertube Master
==
Better let me handle it then.
Can I take pitchers?
Well, y'know Safeway'll deliver a can of Comet for a price.
plantsman, lowercase
Yah, but can you get them to clean out the sinks with it? Nooooooooooooooooo!
Is Gummo here?
Like I said in an earlier thread, if the nutbags insist on no clumps being disposed of, who will be willing in the future to pay to have a 53-year old frozen embryo inserted into their body?
Yet another inconvenient truth for these surface-level sycophants.
Sshhhh...I'm making a blueberry pie for Gummo and Mrs. Gummo.
And Eli, your experiment will commence at some point this week.
No, I didn't forget you.
Did someone say pitchers? I could use another pitcher.
I guess the fetus fetish crowd is about as interested in actually preventing these things from being discarded as the chickenhawks are interested in fighting wars.
Pretty much sums it up.
They're both groups of fucktards.
Umm.. should I feel guilty when I masturbate?
Can I take pitchers?
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No, it's too perilous.
Can I take pitchers?
==
No, it's too perilous.
Umm.. should I feel guilty when I masturbate?
No, you're only making love to somebody you like.
Invigilator | 07.22.06 - 3:57 pm
You actually have hit upon part of the argument that they use to get all those blastocysts dancing on the head of a pin.
If you kill them IN THE ACT OF ATTEMPTING to CREATE LIFE then it is okay. This is kind of how the Catholic Church dances around the issue. That is why the ones that aren't used are kept Frozen (God's Frozen People?).
By keeping them frozen they are saying, 'They aren't Dead yet! They might live eventually! They were created for life! Not death. Please pay no attention to the ones that will get freezer burn and die. That was never our intention, even though we KNOW that there is no way for them to be viable beyond a certain time frame."
They will say, "Hopefully someone will adopt them." And then they can openly say, Sure, adopt one if you want at the same time knowing full well that no one will want their slack jawed spawn white babies when they can get and use their own genetic material.
And if someone really DOES come to them and says 'Sure I'll take 20 of your Kidsicles. Make it to go. Put it on my Visa.' they can just say, "We don't think you are the right kind of people. Thanks but no thanks. " And of course that will never hit the papers. "Offers for Kidsicles BOGUS!"
"Why don't they share their extra frozen babies?" Said Tyrone "Schlomo" Washington of Harlem. Is it because we are black? Jewish? Muslim? I thought they wanted them to be adopted? Do you mean this is all a big scam to avoid dealing with the fact that most kidsicles are going to die of frost bite?"
No, it's too perilous.
I could use a little peril.
Umm.. should I feel guilty when I masturbate?
Ghost, Cult of Personality
According to these people, not if you dump into the icebox.
Late to the thread, but I always sang Alanis' song as "Isn't it Moronic", since there were no examples of true irony in it.
Umm.. should I feel guilty when I masturbate?
Ghost, Cult of Personality
According to these people, not if you dump into the icebox.
Max Planck
guiltsicles
Yah, but can you get them to clean out the sinks with it? Nooooooooooooooooo!
I have to admit, I really like the plastic comet containers with the snap-shut lid. I hate the metal cans with the stupid peel-off tape. Finished ranting now.
God's Frozen People?
==
Like I said in an earlier thread, if the nutbags insist on no clumps being disposed of, who will be willing in the future to pay to have a 53-year old frozen embryo inserted into their body?
Yet another inconvenient truth for these surface-level sycophants.
Max Planck
newborn with a long white beard
God's Frozen People?
GFP Clinic
But, if we don't stop it now, they'll end sprinkling snowflake babies on the cones at TCBY!
Partial-birth abortion, meet the fetus fetish crowd.
I think Atrios has invented a nice soundbite here.
"I guess the fetus fetish crowd is about as interested in actually preventing these things from being discarded as the chickenhawks are interested in fighting wars." One of the best lines about American politics spoken in a long time.
Can I take pitchers?
NTodd, Intertube Master
Wait, I thought I had all video rights?
But then, maybe we're talking about margaritas.
OK, well then, I'm gonna do some work, fix some audio stuff. Keep the rock'n'roll going.
I support the Christian Right adopting and carrying to term these little blastocysts -- if they want to have kids, what better scenario is there than having them bring to term the children of more sane couples? If this becomes a movement, the worst effects of historical inbreeding in these circles could be normalized before the 21st century is out. Hallelujah!
From my Wednesday post:
As said they are prepared to ban the creation of embryos derived from these cell lines. They hold that all cells that could potentially produce an embryo are "human life". If that is true then the only way to preserve the "life" of these frozen embryos is for a cell line derived from it to be maintained and cells derived from it to be used. If that was done then the "life" would continue as long as cells from the line are alive in or outside of another person's body. The only "hope" for the vast majority of these "human lives" is to be continued as cell lines to be implanted for therapeutic purposes.
Who knows? Some of these "human lives" could outlive all of us when kept alive this way. Who is George Bush to cut their potential lives short with his ban on stem cell research? We know that they'll be flushed down the drain otherwise. Maybe it is the duty of all faith-based-life-begins-at-fertilization types to volunteer to host cells from these lines in order that these lives be saved. And so we come full spiral. Downward.
It's all poppycock. We are talking about people who have given Israel a week to bomb the hell out of Lebanon leading to the killing scores of real, viable, entirely innocent people on both sides. Condi won't even interrupt her social life to go over early and try for a breakthrough. And while they diddle and delay they debate the morality of stem cell research. It's all grandstanding, a political commercial for the logic deficient. They don't believe it. These "snowflakes" are just political tools and if they win the election this fall the issue will melt away faster than Orrin Hatch can say, "Let's make a deal,".
chickenhawks are very interested in fighting wars...its their No. 1 obsession...its all they think about...its their solution to every problem.
problem is they only want to fight wars with other people' children, not themselves or their own.
Chickenhawks are a bunch of rat-bastards.
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Blastocysts! Popcorn for Ba'al.
The lunatic theocrat wing of the Republican party will be disappointed to learn that frozen embryos can't vote.
Silly Atrios,
The whole idea is to get other people to do your dirty work.
Is there any better source for the 128 number than Arlen Spector? And I suspect that very few of the fertilized cells have been offered for adoption by their biological parents.
If this becomes a movement, the worst effects of historical inbreeding in these circles could be normalized before the 21st century is out. Hallelujah!
And there's always the chance that the snowflakes, lacking the drooler inbred genes of their fundie adoptive parents, will be intelligent enough not to become fundies themselves.
There is a right-wing blogger that sees opportunity where others see only contention and defeat. "Reliapundit" has the following modest proposal regarding IVF embryos, Snowflake babies, and abortion:
"Embryo adoption is the solution - for pregnant women who don't want to go to term. Instead of aborting, they should give up their embryo for future adoption."
"Each side in the abortion debate - instead of financing political brawls - should finance medical research to make this a reality, and charities to make it a viable alternative for all women who have unwanted pregnancies."
"We could shut down EVERY ABORTION CLINIC, and re-open them as embryo extraction, freezing and adoption centers."
Please join the comment thread of mocking this ridiculous notion here
Can I adopt 3 or 4 hundred thousand of them and just keep them frozen?
Since these embryos are the same as other children, surely I can take a tax deduction for 400,000 dependents, right?
When is Sam Brownback going to adopt a few embryos! Show the lead, man!
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I find it curious that George Bush used his first and only veto on the issue of Gov't funding for additional Stem cell research (although I agree with this action). I think there were a few funding bills that were more deserving of his veto pen or pocket over the past six years.
What is even more curious to me is the basic premise being aired that Bio-Tech, Pharmaceutical and Energy companies are dependent on the Federal Govt. to help fund their research.
If you read the last section of Exxon/Mobile's annual report concerning research and defending their profits you see a chart that compares their industry's profits to other industries. Guess which three top the "profit percent" list...
Pharmaceuticals
Bio-Tech
Heath Care
So, why is it that the cost of research must be borne on the back of the tax payers, while the profit cycle of these companies is protected by the equivalent of trade protectionist measures by our government. The anti-import FDA, the tooth-less FTC and the see no evil/hear no evil Congress all either act to protect these industries from competition, or fail to act to engage anti-trust violations.
As you look at history, and the most meaningful advances in medicine and science,...The occasions where the government sponsored the research that found the cure/discovery are paled by the individual or private enterprise funded advances.
We need to get these industries off the government dole and the government out of the research business. Government can dangle a carrot to those that find the cure, the alternative fuel, the discovery,..But taking risk out of business is not the business of the government nor healthy in promoting true advancements. The result of taking risk out of business is to weaken the talent, energy and innovation that comes from the angst of business fundamental risk/reward dynamics.
Taking intelligent, calculated and well-considered research risks comes under the purview of enterprising business concerns. When government provides risk-less access to capital or painless dole no one is well served. The result of this squander-mongers process is businesses siphoning off precious capital in projects that may or may not have the merit. Traditional business scrutiny provides the risk/reward calculation that forces research advocates to be credible and results-centric. Moreover, far too often the tax-payers funds go to companies that are "connected" with Congressional members and other government decision makers, not necessarily connected with any relevant path to an advancement. We simply fund busy-work. Or as some accurately call it...Corporate welfare.
Stem Cell may very well be (as described by proponents) "the best opportunity for discovery and advances in health care in a century". If that is indeed true, this avenue of research will have no trouble finding capital to continue this worthy journey.
It's Official Snowflake Adoption Week at No Blood for Hubris.
Come by, click to find yourself some sweet fwozen cuties, and bring 'em all back home.
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